Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Darn Barney The Dinosaur (Matt and Bowen Are High Again)"

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

Las Cultch gets a little spooky on this episode as Matt and sexual handlebar mustache icon Bowen are honest about and fully explore their addictions to social media. Ultimately, it's pretty evil, huh? The boys discuss how the social media landscape has changed over the last decade from a place of opportunity and exchange to a "zoo with no enclosures" and detail how it's brought out the worst in themselves and others at times. Also, an examination of shit-talk culture as a whole, the scary ads on Las Culturistas, 73 Questions culture, how Mitch McConnell looks like the walking dead, Bacon Egg and Cheese culture, the drama around pumpkin spice and a full review and discussion of Borat: Subsequent Moviefilm, a cultural moment in time that reveals a star in Maria Bakalova and a damn creep in Miss Rudy Giuliani. Matt and Bow are giving you a hug if you're having a hard time right now. We're all in this together and we'll GET through this together! XO Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. So, listen. What does it feel like, exactly exactly to be a sexual icon? I don't know about any of this. I don't know about any of this. When I saw you with that handlebar mustache,

it was a story like that had never been told. Well, that's a fairy tale and a fantasy because I will never be able to grow a mustache of that shape and size and volume because I'm only working with the snaggly ones. Mama, the magic they're able to do with surgery now, we could get sort of hair plugs for your face. How about that? No way. I'm not getting no plugs on my upper lip. It aged you up about 15 years.

It really did. And give you this sort of authority that was, I guess, intrinsically sexual that I think took America by storm. Well, it defined my jawline because I think it was able to break the shapelessness of it. And then it actually made it like, oh, it's there. It excavated the fucking thing for all to see like it was a jurassic park like they dug up the bones they dug up they exhumed your face yes the fucking mosquito was in the amber all along it was startling to watch i i really really enjoyed it and the episode overall was super fun i thought it was a really fun episode i thought not gonna shade them but the air audience was bad actually that's not that's not even shade that's just and that's just how it's been these last four shows we don't have to talk about well they were

dead during her monologue for sure dead during her monologue but they were just i mean i don't know like i don't know these these crowds i get it though like they're it's probably just bizarre of them to be there but they they know what it is they signed up for these tickets i don't know these, these crowds. I get it though. Like they're, it's probably just bizarre of them to be there, but they, they know what it is. They signed up for these tickets. I don't know. I don't,

I'm not, I don't mean to like create drama with the crowds, acrimony with the crowds. This is the danger between you and me. And, and, and the danger that's in these episodes that are just you and me is that we get a little too unfiltered.

Well, it's because it's us truly catching up. know and also i'm about to i'm about to step into another zone because i am gonna get stoned again um but you are yeah absolutely well that's actually kind of my life i actually have to get my lighter hold on can you talk to them for a sec yeah okay so i was considering smoking reader for this one but um i'm holding my vape pen in my hand i'm looking at it very pensively while i tell you that i might do it too i might as well join in on i mean look quibi's dead okay yes we're just kind of like this is gonna be our in memoriam for quibi no oh my god no does quibi deserve the in Memoriam to you? I mean, TBD.

I just like... How do you feel? You know, I've known... The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. That's right. And I just feel like... I don't know. There's lots of things I would have maybe done differently on their end, but I'm not like a... I don't know how to run a fucking business. I don't know anything.

But ultimately, end of the day, I'm happy that they put Game Show on. I like what it is on the Quibi app, but I'm excited to potentially take it out and do it as an actual half-hour show, which I think is what it is. Exactly. To me, it just feels jammed into

the seven-minute format. And I was never excited about the seven-minute format. I thought it was going to be more eight to 10 minute stuff. And then we, things ended up getting shorter and shorter, but. It was supposed to be 10 all of the, from the beginning, it was supposed to be 10. And that actually felt like a nice Goldilocks, like perfect number.

I was excited about a 10 minute thing. And then a lot of the scripted stuff was able to stay at that length. And then for whatever reason, the unscripted stuff all got shorter and shorter. And that to me, I don't love. Like to me to me sometimes i watch some of the some of the episodes we were doing and it's just like they cut all the breaths out and i'm like okay this movie this is like moving too fast so i'm excited about potentially doing it somewhere else where it can breathe and i can there can be more of the relationship stuff with me and dave and just more of us having fun

and less like it's moving forward it's's moving forward. It's moving forward. It just felt manic, especially like in, in like an immobile world. Like, I guess maybe we, we, we would have liked it as like a, as like a large consumer base if we were actually were watching it mobile on the go, but then the world changed. And so we were all kind of watching it on our phones inside our houses during the second month of the pandemic. I don't know. I feel like if there was adjusting to be done to sort of suit that new situation, maybe it was too late. I feel bad for everyone that works there that lost their job because I think that everyone took a big risk to work there. And there's a lot of amazing people that work there that I'm grateful for that really cared about our show.

And I like our show a lot. It's a good show. And yeah, but ultimately, it's sad whenever anything just fails. But I will say it was hard not to join in on a lot of the Quibi jokes over the past seven months. Because I was trying to be a company man. Sure. You had some liberated tone in your tweets I saw ever since the Quibi announcement. Well, I had to delete them.

You did? Yeah. Because Variety, like, this was weird. So I tweeted like a bunch of jokes about Quibi. I was really kidding. Like, the tone of my tweets were very jokey and then like there was this huge paragraph in variety that was me being like they were like a game show host matt rogers and i was a little embarrassed that like they were

putting this comment from me in variety which was like a joke and i said i was excited to take it elsewhere which i am now that now that quibi is not a thing i'm excited about the life of the show going forward but it just it i ended up having to delete the tweets i guess lesson learned about just tweeting shooting from the hip varieties watching i don't think so honey variety for like pulling like just thinking like making news out of people's tweets i know i know that sounds normal well tweets are the public record i know but they've done that with me where it's like they've built a whole headline around like two things i had written in a day i just i'm just annoyed whenever they do that because i'm like oh

yeah because that's how i feel about it too where the medium is so stupid and dumb and like not meant to be taken seriously in the first place at this point like i don't know who's like really taking twitter seriously it's just pure chaos right it's not even like no one's there to like make a career out of like writing jokes on twitter it's not like 2012 twitter where that was like the peak of like comedy job hiring like outlet you know remember that time yeah when it was like well what's their twitter following what's that like it was kind of felt like you could get jobs based on twitter i think a lot of people did now it's just like twitter to me is like a zoo with no enclosures

exactly it's just it's just completely unregulated wild west any old fucking thing can go on you know what i mean i'm like i could say something on this podcast and you could say something on this podcast and no one would and no no one cares because you can literally hear in the human voice like some sort of like knowingness or irony and on twitter you say that same thing and it it is a whole different thing i just think we live in a very sick world but whatever literally last week we said i said i'm i'm gonna take the hit on this if anyone wants to hit us on this i said if megan mccain comes on the show and is able to charm us and get us to say oh we actually like her that we would kill ourselves

and no like everyone no one picked that up no no one said if we tweeted that if we had tweeted that it would have been yeah forget it disastrous um also i don't know just following up on our conversation from last week so i don't know if i qualify myself in a particularly dark place but it hasn't been like a good couple weeks no no so so for me like since last week i made the mistake because i hadn't done this in a while i was like I wonder if people are still engaging on Twitter about like hot dog. So I searched the hashtag hot dog. And there was this person said, there's one thing I can't stand about hot dog.

And I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. And I used the hashtag. And I just respond. And I saw the person followed me. And I responded, it's me, isn't it? Oh, no. And like a bunch of people liked it and he goes and then there was replies to the tweet that

said is it something that's easily excitable and the person replied it thinks it's a lot funnier than it is and then someone else and then someone else said yeah it's mouth could be used better if it weren't talking like someone basically said I should be sucking dick

instead of talking hosting a show whatever all right it's not even that clear because i don't i don't even know what the fuck they're talking about and it's those fucking d plus jokes quote unquote ew ew ew if you said that to matt's face in the room and i was there i would knock your fucking teeth out so I engaged so the guy who did the initial tweet honestly I support you engaging but yeah so basically like I'm fully insane right now and at this point in my life so I was just like you know what I'm gonna make this person feel really bad for saying this because I saw the person followed me and had recently retweeted me so so I know that they're like not someone who hates me

so i i literally said what is is this me you're talking about and the person that originally tweeted goes lol no i'm talking about the fact that um your job is so fun like i'm so jealous and and then he hid all the replies and i said lol at you hiding the replies. I'm fully in it. I'm fully engaging at this point. So I got into DMs because I wanted him to sort of feel what it would feel like if someone he targeted online actually saw it. So I said, come on, that was mean. And he responded and he was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Literally, quite literally, it's just because I'm jealous. And I was like, why would you? I was like, I don't do this for anything other than where I'm just trying to have fun and make people smile.

Like, it's like, why would you do that? What is that instinct? And he goes, I'm sorry. It was so stupid. I fell into the trap. And I was like, it is a trap. What trap? What's the trap that's laid out for someone like them though?

I don't understand. Anyway, so I was just like, I felt like I was at that point, we were kind of on the same page and I was kind of saying like, you know, this, this, it will make you feel so much better. It will feel so much better to be supportive and positive because like you use the hashtag you wanted, you wanted this in a way you wanted it to be filed away yeah and he was only apologetic and he was like i'll take it down and he took it down and honestly i was it ended with us kind of being he was like i'm a fan i i liked game show i subscribed to quibi because of it like i don't know why i did that i think it was just like you punch back at the thing you

like a little bit i was like okay that's fine. Bye. I don't know what that means. I actually don't. I reject that apology. I'm so sorry, but that makes zero sense. But keep going. I was thinking about it and I was like, you know what? To some, on some level, everyone is guilty of this to some extent. Like even last week on this podcast, I dragged Kristen Stewart.

I was like, she's the most grounded actress because she's not doing anything. And then I thought to myself, to be honest with you, it's the same sort of deal. So there's something to be learned from it on a personal level as well. Except you didn't post that clip to Twitter and then hashtag. That's the thing is it's like, I don't know. This is the fundamental difference is that that person, know like you know there's this is the fundamental difference is that that person we're not all guilty of this on the same level because some it's sometimes you and i will get to say a catty thing to each other and keep it to our fucking

selves okay and i'm sorry that maybe this person in that moment i you know i'll talk shit about you know rowan on great british bake off whatever. And that's like maybe the same thing. But I'm not, I'm not like hashtagging GBBO. I'm not like making sure it gets filed away in the system of this medium that like makes it maybe inadvertently seen by someone who's involved. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, you were saying something positive. I'm like so on one. I'm so cranky today i don't disagree with what you're saying but i also think like when i see that it's just like oh it just puts a little cloud over your day of course and then i literally said

to joel the other day i was like part of me doesn't even know if i'm cut out for this if on this job i feel the same way literally it's i said to him I turned to him and I know he's gone through it with like sunny side too and etc just being out there it's like it's a lot when you put yourself out there and people can just make any old comment like and you don't know what is earned and what's not because you're you you know what I mean yeah and we laughed about it but I it is like a part of the whole thing I've literally been staring at trick mirror and i'm like afraid to start reading it because i'm afraid of how deep this all goes you know what i mean to start she doesn't just talk about um that she just she talks about like the internet as a concept

which is great and then like the rest of the book sort of is in that neighborhood but just you'll you'll love it it's great she writes so well. You'll really dig it. Reader, we're sorry for coming in with like a really cantankerous energy, but I think this is something that is sort of the theme right now for us because we are kind of just sitting at home and watching, what's this?

I mean, Anna just said, our producer said, this is why Phoebe Waller-Bridge refuses to have social media. She says she is too sensitive for the critiques. Honestly, I think it's like, it's not natural to be this vulnerable to critique. You know what I mean? Like the social media thing has heightened it so much.

Like that's the thing. As artists, as people who are doing this, there's something intrinsic about us that is super sensitive and like emotional. And so for us to be this sort of aware of what everyone thinks is not natural and like people throughout time haven't had to deal with this aspect of it no um this is what we talked about in therapy this week where my impulse to like just care about what the audience thinks is rooted in like this this thing where or it's

just it's a result of me like prioritizing um an audience response over my own like rubric of whether or not i did well so like this week this show i mean like i didn't have anything in the show that was mine that like i wrote but i was just like i think i just like tried not to care as much this. I hope this was like a little incremental step in the right direction where I was just like, oh, you know, I'm not going to like look because they still did every now and then. But like, so it's, it's all, I'm weaning off of it, but it's like, you know, as long as I feel like I did well, then that's all that matters. And it is, it's not as simple as that, but I feel like that's the right way to go. And also, for me, like, growing up and then working to sort of pound the pavement in comedy for a while after college, that whole period was, for me, like, me sort of pursuing comedy in a place that was laden with shame and, like, people being like, wait, you want to what?

Oh, you're a comedian okay got it well good luck with that and even like parents being like we don't know about this um and then for that to suddenly flip and have it be like the only source of like accomplishment that i sort of experienced or like dealt with that happened so quickly that I am still catching up to that place. And I'm still kind of working in like a shame world. And so I'm like, I just want, and like I, the way that like people, certain people define shame is that it's like not wanting to know what people say about you when you're not in the room. And so I'm kind of like trying to like swim up against that and be like, but I want to know what people are saying about me when I'm not in the room.

I know that literally. So I think this is so reader. Thank you for like listening to us sort of indulge ourselves in this conversation. But I think it's it's an interesting one to have. It's for me. It's so like it's this thing that I'm going through and it does it. It does occupy a lot of brain space. I think also because of quarantine and not having a lot else to do.

You're able to just sit in one thing because you're not busy. Like I happen to be like, the only thing I have going on right now is nothing because of quarantine's aggressive taking of the things. Oh, yes. I just want to bring up one.

Bring it up. This is a little mean and it is definitely punching down and i would i might have even been punching down to that person who like tweeted at you um who used the hashtag no i'm not that wasn't no no actually no i that's not that's not what that was i have no idea what to qualify it and that's why I know it's something I don't want to deal with anymore. Sure. I saw someone the other day tweet, like, God, I'm all for LGBTQIA plus representation and POC representation. Not an Asian person, by the way. But then they say, it's really disappointing that Bo and Yang only uses platform to like perpetuate stereotypes about his race and his sexuality or whatever what is going on so so so for a non-asian person to be like he's perpetuating stereotypes like i'm like i don't want you to be the person the arbiter of what

is an asian stereotype sir and then i went over to his fucking profile and his bio is like a photographer. Then a gunkle. And I was like, bitch, your whole existence is on the nose. If you're going to include gunkle in your fucking bio. You can't be a gunkle at this time. So don't say that I'm,

don't perpetuate anything about me. Like, like stagnating the identity cause of what being gay is to you. Like, don't, like, who, there is, there is something I kind of hate just about the concept of stereotypical, just stereotype as concept, I think, is kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's just, first of all,

it's actually rule of culture number 83. You can't be a gunkle and criticize. You can't be a gunkle and criticize. You cannot be a gunkle and criticize you cannot be a gunkle and criticize at all you're not in that position you can be a gay uncle and criticize but if you self identify as a gunkle shut the fuck up

I don't want to hear what you have to say gunkle unless it's some sort of new treat out that's like a gum chocolate that's what gunkle sounds like it should be to me unless it's that I don't want to think about it gunkles okay she's arrived at being very stoned gunkles arrived you sound dumb you sound dumb i feel bad that we come in with the dark energy but isn't it isn't it you know and. I feel like it's a thing, though.

I am feeling not a depression, but a depression in terms of like, I don't like to be like this. Yes, I agree with you. Maybe it's seasonal. And honestly, the election is fully now. So that's really what it all is. Just like the doomsday around the whole situation. Like, readers, maybe we should reach out to you right now

and say this. If you're feeling a malaise and you're feeling bad and you're feeling like shit, you are not alone. Let's just say that to sort of funnel it into a productive moment.

Yes. And we hope you are doing all you can. Taking care of yourself. There you go. There you go. There you go. Can I tell you something that made me happy last night? Yes.

I fell into this wormhole, which was watching pop stars and music stars watch people cover their songs. Oh, yeah. I'm familiar with this. To me, this was a serotonin boost, mom. Aww. to me this was a serotonin boost mom like because watching like the art these up-and-coming artists and singers like get the criticism from like like some woman getting a credit like a positive critique from christina aguilera on her cover of beautiful that woman was von zell solomon by the way von zell yeah it's like von zell's cover of Beautiful. And Christina's like, Vonzel, it's amazing.

Your riffs are Whitney-esque. It's stunning. Your voice is so effortless and beautiful. And watching them receive that notice from this person they obviously idolize was heartwarming. And I celebrate. I think it might have been like, I don't know what website it was on. I want to say Vogue

something like that Vogue sorry I've arrived at being stoned and also tired and I was going to make up a fake website that you would have

found that video on and instead all I could do was turn to absolute soup vogue i'd also have you seen okay never mind i don't want to get shot see now i have an aversion but you know what you know i am going to be shady i fell into a 73 questions wormhole because I love Vogue's 73 questions. I mean, what faggot doesn't? I thought you were going to talk about Borat. No, bitch. I will get to Borat, though, because we've both seen and we loved.

Which of the 73 questions did you watch? Girl, I found, first of all, there's Architectural Digest home tours and there's 73 questions Vogue. Both of these things are amazing. And I want to shout out the Architectural Digest home tour of there's 73 questions Vogue both of these things are amazing and I want to shout out the Architectural Digest home tour of Patrick Dempsey

I am throbbing for him he has never looked better in his life McDreamy is getting better with age and if you want proof watch the Architectural Digest home tour of Patrick Dempsey that man is smoking hot but Vogue 73 questions I unfortunately stumbled upon neil

patrick harris's and i it was it was there was some cringe moments oh no okay so first of all let's pause are we are we doing the hashtag hot dog equivalent of this with neil patrick harris do we have to like do this every single time we talk about someone who's more successful than us? This is why social media is bad, and I'm going to bring it back, because we even have to have this discussion, because let me say something. As Americans, as gay Americans, we should

be able to say the Neil Patrick Harris Vogue 73 questions was cringe. That should be an American right. So social media getting my head about saying that there's a problem i raised that question but i think i already know the answer it's so it is sort of rhetorical in a way where i am like i think that it is not like literally this is me and my rhetoric and saying that we're not like kind of crossing our fingers

making sure it gets seen but it's because we secretly like him like no that's so warped to me I will not get over this person ew ew ew ew ew ew if you're listening I'm gonna beat the shit out of you just kidding

we're just continuing the game where we threaten our listeners and I anyway it crossed the line when they said his mouth should be used for something else other than talking I was like Just kidding. We're just continuing the game where we threaten our listeners. And I, anyway. It crossed the line when they said his mouth should be used for something else other than talking. I was like, I'm sorry. And then if you're quoting, if you're quoting directly, they used it pronouns. Well, I mean, just because they were, they, they, I guess they really didn't really want it to be vague. I don't know about that.

It was not. As soon as you call someone else and it i'm like ew you that is literally dehumanizing and you should go fuck yourself you know what this is the thing and like i don't have to preserve empathy for every single even as a socialist who wants human liberation i don't have to i don't have to preserve empathy for every single, even as a socialist who wants human liberation, I don't have to, I don't have to preserve empathy for every single person on this planet, especially when they fucking endanger someone else's. Okay. And that is, I might, I might be taking this too far, but that, but referring to someone as an it is a form of endangerment, honey. I, we have to, we have to delete Soch. We have to delete Soch. It's so bad. This is, it's so bad because guess,

we could just be having a whole other discussion. Okay, babe, listen, do you know what I'm, you know what I've done with Instagram that I think has helped loads? Tell me. Loads. Oh, loads. Loads.

On the new iOS, so this is for my iPhone users. On the new iOS, there's a thing called the app library where you can hide little screens, like, you know, certain pages of apps you can just hide. And so it won't show up on your screen. So I deleted Instagram, but I kept it in my app library. And then I've turned off notifications as well. So those are the two things that have to happen, two important things that each sort of help the other. Take it off your home screen, and then turn notifications

off. So that way, I have to like consciously pull down my, you know, spotlight search, then type in Instagram to open it. And then I only see like, you know, the notifications that have like accumulated since last time. And then I see like a couple DMs maybe, and I'll go, okay, this is all manageable. And it's not me constantly constantly constantly pacifying myself with this stupid fucking app with pictures so that's my little tip to you and

to the readers Matt to maybe do that I mean I've deleted other apps too I've fully deleted the sex dating app that everyone uses because it was just getting also Also worthless. Also worthless. Wasted time.

Yeah. I deleted Raya because I realized, I was like, wait a minute, I only get... Oh yeah, you were having a Raya moment. Well, because Nicole Byer says this too. It's like, that she was on the wait list for years. Same. I remember that.

And then when she got on it, she was like, oh, I'm not matching with anybody because it's all burners who fucking... are just burners i'm sorry anyone who goes to burning man thank you for listening um but that is like the crowd that's like the vibe and it's just like so like and like the music taste on these people i gotta shut it down i'm so sorry that you are still listening to i can't even make up a i can't even make up'm so sorry that you are still listening to, I can't even make up a, I can't even make up a band right now.

You're still listening to fucking like, um, Passion Pit. I don't know. I see it. But the thing is you landed on exactly. No, but we love Passion Pit,

but that's it, hun. It took you a minute. You really, you were soaring in the air there. We were in slow motion. And then you, Nadia Comane niched the landing passion pit was the one 10 a 10 10s on the board anyway that is 100 it i feel like i'm dating on tinder in college again you know what i mean it's like it took me

back to that place of like let's go grab an ipa you know what i mean like you literally know what i'm talking about though i absolutely do and i do you know how many ipas i've drank with men oh no too many so many beautiful beautiful voice your voices you've never sounded better you know before thank you for saying that and i'm really proud of my zip recruiter hook yes you might not listen to it on this episode but if you get the ad oh first of all we all we also have to talk about the ad choices on this show

can we be transparent for a second we are getting a lot of feedback that the US military is sort of advertising on this podcast mama that's gonna be an iHeartRadio thing and not a Las Culturistas thing. But we take enough responsibility to flag this to our producers

so that they can get to the bottom of what the hell is going on. Apparently with this military ad, this recruitment ad that you only get on Spotify from what I hear. Oh, I heard it. I heard it. So no one at iHeart knows how it made it onto the episode. We've told them in the past that we do not want that kind of advertising on our show.

So we're so sorry that made its way to your ears. Our values do not align with the military industrial complex in any way. So there you have it. Also just want to say, if ever there's an ad

that's like scary, I've there's an ad that's scary, I've been getting a lot of listeners saying, there's so many scary ads on Las Culturistas. That's like a very sort of in-depth description of how a murder happened. Oh, no. I'm very, very, very concerned about that aspect. Because I want the Las Culturistas listening experience to be, you know, peaceful.

Even as we threaten to beat the shit out of certain people. As we threaten to beat the shit out of certain people. If ever our audience feels endangered, I want that to be very explicitly clear that's coming from us. You know what I mean? Yes. Exactly.

But that's full transparency for you. Matt, I think, was going to bring up how he made up a jingle for ZipRecruiter that I think is just beautiful. Oh, to me, it's the new bop.

It's the new hook. It's the new, not as good as BetterHelp, as BetterHelp. Well, you know, it will be, it remains to be seen. I don't think it's as simple

as BetterHelp. Yeah, BetterHelp is beautifully simple. if you need help better help okay so then this is what i wanted to bring up i began better help i actually started doing it yes a peek behind the curtain sometimes when we say we've used things for ads we're lying. No. A peek behind the curtain. No, I always try out samples if we get them. But I started using it.

And it's weird. Like, you text a bunch in the beginning with the person. And I'm, like, trying to move it to video. But I feel nervous about moving it to video. It's like dating. And I'm like, maybe is that, like, a thing I need to talk about? The fact that I'm, like, nervous to move this to video. And I'm like, maybe is that like a thing I need to talk about? The fact that I'm like nervous to move this to video? I don't know.

No, I don't think it's worth talking. I think that's just a procedural thing with the app. But yeah, I mean, I would say stick with it until you get to the video stage. And then even after that, I would say like maybe put in two or three sessions, unless you immediately know that it's not going to work, that it's not a good fit. I'm kind of like going back and forth about it because I feel like the questions have been very general.

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is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle?

How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio. If there are mental health professionals in the Los Angeles area who can recommend to Matt Rodd or someone who is doing telehealth sessions. Also, I would go sit outside. I mean, I think that people can go sit outside. Think about it, though. If you went over to someone's house and sat in their backyard six feet away,

you know what I mean? If they have that. I don't know why I picture in my head therapists living in these gorgeous homes. I'm picturing like my therapist. I'm like a Martha Stewart style, like 800 acre home. Like, like in Nicole Kidman,

73 questions. Oh, that's like a farm, like a farm. Tina Faye's office in season two of Kimmy Schmidt, when she plays a therapist is so gorgeous and chic. And like, I'm like, that like I'm like that's like TV therapist you know? Yes. Like in like a

sweater cave. Oh my god the therapist Molly's therapist in Insecure lives in the most gigantic gorgeous house you've ever seen and I'm just like I wonder if that was like a deliberate choice like to have the therapist be lux.

Probably, yes. Regal, lux, in the airiest, most naturally lit house I've ever, ever, ever, ever, ever seen. And I want to live there so badly. Like I know if I did therapy in an open room with high ceilings, it would be an immediate breakthrough. If I'm doing therapy like in a little box, it might take a while. That's right. I need to feel. You need little box. It might take a while. That's right. I need to feel. You need to feel.

The glamour. And the light. The light. It's true. Natural light's very important to me. It's not something that I always, I just talk about all the time, but natural light's very important to me.

You haven't brought this up. Talk about why natural light is important to you. I love it. I feel more creative when there about why natural light is important to you. I love it. It's, it's, I feel more creative when there's more natural light. Yes. Come on.

I can't, that's why New York is like not happening. You're always in like a, like a dim orange light in New York. You know what I mean? Like the PM times in New York, they're not fun. I know.

I know. They're not. They're so, it's so cramped. Like every, every light feels artificial. That's, I guess that's another reason why I like LA.

It's just more in touch with daylight. Oh, we're about to come up. We're coming up on daylight savings time. Mother. Mother. Jester. I mean,

this is really going to fuck shit up for me. I, oh, see, I'm like kind of, and then the election's going of and then election's gonna the election's gonna happen two days later i am you're gonna see my moods dip even lower if they haven't bottomed out already dear oh your moods is november 7th the last show uh yes until yes

for just getting one in after the election one one in after the big event, you know, that's going to be something. Or yeah, we'll see. We'll see. What was I going to bring up? Oh, well,

as soon as you commit to a therapist, I will append my end of that. Well, I was going to bring that up. The thing is, I don't know whether to be strident on you with this anymore because i know that you're in a stressful situation and you need your little vices so but no but it is bad for you and i do wish for you to stop like i wish that you could you know

get those vices out by exercising you know like like offering for a brief run or you know like cooking a meal or drawing a piece of art like get your stress out in one of those healthy ways but then again i'm just like whatever no no no i i did that i don't want to make excuses for it and you should hold me accountable as a friend i'm holding you accountable then okay fine i'm firmly on the other side of it now if i even hear whispers and i have other contacts at your job that you've been stepping out to take a cigarette break who said this no reveal your sources reveal them i'm i mean i have you know who my sources are i but i don't know i don't think that the ones that i think are the source don't think too hard.

Wait, she shouldn't be telling you that. No, she isn't. I'm saying I can find out. I have the ability to find out. I'm not saying she said anything. But I know. The thing about me is it always gets back to me. And you should fear me.

And you should fear me. I don't understand the people who say that. You know, like, there's always been people who've been like, I don't know. That genuinely believe that? I always know when this is happening, yeah. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, you have ears everywhere. I'm like, are you checking in with, I'm like, what is your system of

dissemination here? It means that whenever anyone says that, it means that they are a huge shit talker. Exactly! Yes! It means that they, personally huge shit talker exactly yes it means that they personally in their bones have the impulse to gossip oh yes that's it that's absolutely true but we're gossips we're gossips but we are we are we are we are there's no. And there's no reason to really qualify it. Don't tell me nothing. Don't tell me nothing.

Sometimes when you know what we know, there's no other recourse but to gossip. You have no other option but to gossip. I mean, come on. Spread the word. Spread the word. Did you know there's a new clip lash out? I heard. I was the one who texted the word. Did you know there's a new Cliplash out? I heard I was the one who texted the thread. I was like, guys, there's a new Jackbox

Party Pack number seven. We should organize a Cliplash moment soon. Or you know what? I actually am at this point now where I kind of want to get into video games. But I wonder if that would... See, it would just be another thing to occupy time with.

That isn't social media while I'm in the house. I agree. If, if, if you subscribe to replacement theory with, or just replacement in as a concept in terms of addiction, because I, I do,

I feel like I am dealing with this with an addiction to social media. I can very parallel lines it against my addiction to cigarettes. You have to, you kind of have to replace it with something. it can very parallel lines it against my addiction to cigarettes. You have to, you kind of have to replace it with something. So I feel like this is a great, wonderful, wonderful,

wonderful option for you. And Oh my God, you saying that excites me so much. I think that actually, I haven't said one other thing on the pod that happened, which is contributing to all this, I think in a major way, which is that I think I can say this Jared and I

did break up but the thing is like it wasn't dramatic or anything or weird or anything but that is something that happened and we're still extremely close and he's literally the best person but it still did happen and sometimes I

I don't remind myself that that's true when I'm like wallowing and whatever. I'm like, well, this did just happen. It just happened. And you have been very human and like emotionally in touch with yourself and with Jared throughout this whole process. So, of course, you're going to be affected by it. Yeah. Just because it wasn't dramatic doesn't mean that it's not

impactful you know also quarantine just like because when you're in a relationship in quarantine the person's an everyday presence in your life and so when that changes it's like it's still tough

my heart keeps going out to like anyone that's going through a divorce at this time like sometimes I see that Kelly Clarkson is doing so many things and like she's so everywhere right now and I know she's going through that and I'm just like I hope that she this is all productive I'm sure that be like working um so much is like something that's really helping her and like I know she loves her kids so much but I my heart just goes out to her and anyone that's really helping her. And like, I know she loves her kids so much, but my heart just goes out to her and anyone that's like had a substantial, like years long relationship that ended because of this, because it makes the whole thing feel even more.

Why the fuck did we have to go through this frustrated with like the fact that there's no leadership, et cetera. This has to be such a crazy fucking time, such like a cosmic shift that we went through seriously i know i know i have nothing to add it's it's just unfortunate yeah and then i remember like i am grateful that i've gotten to work and stuff so it's just and you're working like you're fucking no a damn a damn rat well here's here's something busy as a damn rat busy as a damn rat here's something i want to bring up because i feel like in some way me posting about going to work and doing my job is

it might like stir up emotions in certain people not in the same justifiable ways it would stir up someone who um would use a hashtag for a show after they whatever i can't get over this person well because because i saw someone i saw someone post this and i don't know how to feel about this because i can see i can see both sides of it someone posted um a thing that i most i generally agree with but they were like um on i don't remember who but it was an actor someone who um someone of noting i don't, I don't remember who, but it was an actor, someone who is acting. I don't even think they were, but that doesn't matter. It's not real.

They posted something on Instagram that was like, hey guys, for anyone who's posting their self tapes right now, just know that it's really triggering for people who can't find work as artists and actors. And like really start to ask yourself who that's for like blah blah blah blah blah blah like is this just like you like trying to like self-indulge or whatever which is like that's the whole point of social media in a lot of ways that's one function of it but i so i understand that it's triggering to like i don't know flaunt the fact that you're getting opportunities, but even the audition itself is not an opportunity intrinsically.

But anyway, but then the other side of it is like, who cares? It's like, you're not like. There's just too much. There's too much. This is all leading me back to the same place, which is this.

There's just too much there. Like social media is evil. Like if you feel that, I shouldn't have to know that you know what i mean like as as someone who has i did it like a bit about a self-tape once and then you're saying do i have to feel bad about doing that like for me it's just for me literally everything i post is just to like for people that follow me to see it because i think they'd get like something a kick out of it or

whatever or like or like whatever yeah yeah yeah it's not all all solely for you you know what i mean like of course it's part of the disease like there is vanity in the the posting of it all and like the sharing of it all but not everything is like nefarious, you know? And it doesn't, I just would hope that people that are going to say something like that would stop and think first about why they need to say that. You know what I mean? Like, is that something they need to say? You're throwing it back at them, yeah. Yeah, kind of.

I mean, I don't think, like, why are you bothered about that? Just don't follow the person, you know? Sure, sure, sure. That's a choice you can make and then the message that you send could be in the unfollow of it all but i don't know people people want to get their voice heard i can't stop thinking about that person and i actually should should evict that person from my mind um because but they wouldn't they wouldn't be there if it weren't for social media. So I don't know. I'm just talking myself into eventually getting rid of it all.

But can I tell you something? That's also like something I feel is like, I can't delete social because we have to still promote the podcast. And I'm like, you know what? People will find the podcast. That's what I'm saying. People will find the podcast.

And I even had that thought too, where I'm like, oh, you know, like, is this a weird fixture in my social media now like not a weird fixture but this is just something that i'm going to be expected to do every single week um and i feel like the people who will listen to it will

listen to it and i feel like we're even we're the way we get new listeners sorry readers we're just talking about like growth right now but the way we get new listeners, sorry, readers, we're just talking about like growth right now. But the way we get new listeners is from like doing other shows and like being on other things. It's not even, it's, we're not getting more listeners from the posts. You know what I'm saying? I think that like, there's, there's like a weird correlation I have in my mind with like the existence and success of things I'm doing with social media. Like, I feel like for me, they're like, it's that social media is important in a way that's not justified. You know what I mean? I think there's like something playing in and that's just part of the addiction of it all.

I don't know. It's so, it's so interesting and funny that we're talking about this because even in the days up to recording this episode, I was like, I wonder if on the podcast, I'll bring up that like, I'm fully addicted to social. Like, I like, it's so taken over my life for the past four days. Like that. I was like, I wonder if that's something I can even be honest about because it's so embarrassing how all encompassing it is. I get why you would be embarrassed by it, it's like for the most part people our age are kind of that's what it is in in similar neighborhoods like in terms of like are the way we engage with it we're all kind of like going for that same dopamine hit for the same reasons just about as often as anyone else is doing it does Does that make sense? Yeah. Like, I felt shameful telling my therapist,

oh, yeah, well, I do this toxic social media behavior this many times a day, and I check social media this often. And then that kind of tied into, like, my whole impulse around, like, not caring about how I did in something or how my work is, like, how I how I did in something or how my work is like,

I don't, how I self assess my work. Yeah. Because really, as soon as I walk off stage from like my own piece, I'm, I'm not thinking about how I did. I'm not,

I'm not asking myself, how'd you think you did? I'm going, how, what are they saying? What are they saying? What are they saying? What are they saying?

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, also what I'm realizing right now is the relationship you have with social media actually does replace relationships that you have with human beings because it's something, it's a relationship that you care about and like invest in. Like we're all invested in our relationships with social media and it's

just weird. And I think says something about the current time that like I am on social media caring about that aspect of my life. I think a lot more than I've talked to or actively caring about real human relationships in my life that actually matter and are meaningful. And that's when I know that we might be in a situation here

that if you really step outside of it is not going anywhere positive. Exactly. I like FaceTimed with Joel Kim Booster for the first time in so long last week. And I was like, oh yeah, like this is what like the friendship is. It's not like me and him checking in

on each other's like insta stories yeah because even that just feels cursory and it feels like okay i'm not going to remember this like little exchange that we had in our dms like in in two weeks you know what i'm saying so it's like absolutely this is like the facetime conversation is substantive it lives in the memory of the friendship in a more significant way than like like a check-in over dms like for some reason feels like so watered down i don't know in my in my mind yeah yeah but you're right it's like we're all invested in in social media as if it's a friendship as if it's a relationship in the same way that like new york is the fifth character in

sex in the city absolutely they are and the City. Absolutely. They are. And then it's a huge fucking deal. Like, it's like, it feels like a breakup in the show when Miranda fucking goes to Brooklyn. You know what I mean? Like, um,

like it's a whole thing. Yeah. But it does. Miranda did it right. Well, she was really being a jerk about Brooklyn, but then when she went there, she truly fell in love.

And Brooklyn looked so beautiful in the show. It looked so beautiful in the show so beautiful in the show she like was in brooklyn heights brooklyn is fucking gorgeous it's unbelievable it's the most beautiful it's the most beautiful did you know that um out of everyone that quote unquote like is a regular listener of this podcast brooklyn is by far the the most listeners are in are in oh yeah see we love we love you brooklyn brooklyn girls and more people in chicago than la interesting isn't that fun eh what's up chicago hi chicago we love chicago we love the chicago show the i don't think so honey show was so fun. Matt wasn't there. I was not there,

but I heard it was great. I God posting with Pat is so fun. Is it not hosting with Pat? Is this so, I mean, can we just say there is not a funnier person on this planet than Pat Regan? Absolutely not.

I miss him. I see. That's what I'm talking about. I could be spending this time, some of more of my time, like seeing what the fuck is up with Pat. You know what I mean? Pat's off all social. Pat's figured it out.

And he's never been happier, I think. I can speak on his behalf. I love that. And I have to say, also, the other thing too is I think ultimately, we've been doing this for a while and you forget like what a social life means you know what i mean like you that especially like when it was a fixture of our lives for so long like i don't want to be anxious about seeing other people you know what i mean like i don't want to feel weird about planning a time. Like, it just, the whole thing is just tough.

And see, I don't even want to, and not to bring this back to this dark, darkness in our lives, but I don't want my social life for my interactions to be defined by intellectual response to what some fucking idiot says on social media about me. Like, I don't want that to take up any space in my brain. No, when you know for sure that there are people in your life who fill it with the opposite of that feeling. And it's time you could be spending, investing in that and not this. But unfortunately, you know,

like as we saw in The Social Dilemma on Netflix, this is all designed to addict us. You know what I mean? And it is working very well. And that's what they say in the documentary. I can't believe it's taken us this long in this conversation to bring up this documentary because it so spells out why is that there is a design element to this. It is addictive by nature. And there's ways to get you more and more addicted that just because we're humans and we are designed to want and need some things, we think we're basically slaves to this thing. Yeah.

I still have not finished social dilemma, unfortunately, because I maybe have the same attitude that you have towards trick mirror. I'm like, I don't, I'm not going to like what I see. Yeah, it's scary. Honestly, it's and the thing is, I just have to fucking get over it, but

just know the social dilemma, like it pretty much spells it all out. And if it's going to help anyone step away from something toxic, then I really recommend watching it. If you're the kind of person who needs to be scared. You need to be scared.

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every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I felt too seen. Um, dragged. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies.

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Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio. Reader, I'm so sorry.

I've said this to Matt so many times but matt will be obsessed with the essay that she writes about when she was on this teen reality show i'm gonna start reading it right after this it's the second one you're you're gonna love it read it tonight honestly please do and it's it's so good it's and then she writes she has one about ecstasy that's so good she has one about like houston te. Anyway. Yeah. I was, what, something that we both have watched though is Borat subsequent movie film.

Wow. Yes. Now this is, I guess that pretty much the culture of the week, I would say probably is Borat too. And, you know, my initial thoughts are that it is fucking funny um i i definitely thought maybe

it was a little overlong but the star of it all is miss maria who plays his daughter maria bakalova i bet i think her name is oh my god so good she was unbelievable she to me could take over the world like yeah she's so brave what she has to do those were some scary situations those are some scary situations and for her to be in that room alone with i mean i'm just talking about the interview portion oh for her to like fake that entire interaction like she was able to get rudy to the back of to that other room yeah i mean look he went in a room with that girl. I understand what a lot

of people are saying about the editing of it all. Like, yes, was it edited properly? Like, that wants to present something as truth? Yes. But the fact of the matter is, it's kind of like saying, like, but the stores that burnt down during the protests for George Floyd. It's like,

you guys, look at the bigger issue here. He went into a back room with this girl and it was like low lights and were touching. It was so inappropriate. And also he was making inappropriate comments the whole time. Also, not for nothing, but come on, guys. Was he really tucking in his shirt or untucking his shirt or whatever? Like the whole thing that he doesn't know enough to not be in that situation is very scary he's one of the most powerful people in america right now and that he didn't know enough to not be in a situation that even could be presented to us like that in any way

is really fucked up he's a creep i'm just amazed by maria bakalova because it's like killed because just i don't know just and she like gave you a convincing performance as like this daughter who wants to get to know her father and like that's the defining relate it felt like a cormac mccarthy story it felt like the road it felt like this father and daughter like traveling together well because he's he's such a genius. He he's, it's earnest. He's, they're really playing the characters.

And so it really works. And it's totally so dead on. Like they, they just killed it in casting her too. And, and like, and we should just talk about maybe the base, like reality of Sasha Baron Cohen's characters,

which is that they are all yes they are all so offensive so offensive and so he should there's there you can make an argument for all of his characters that he should not be playing these characters but but even with bruno i'm like see that's like such an extreme caricature i love it i think it works i think it works i'm like you know what and he's like actually done as like an actor and a performer and like whatever it's like he has like you can tell he's like done the work as far as like knowing who that character is yeah and i think he's even done that with borat where it's like he like he learned like kazakh he like learned like the language like to play that i'm not saying that like gives him a pass but i'm

saying it like he is he's approaching this in a way that kind of warrants some some viewing of this it's also funny it's so like it's also so fucking funny and and that does matter like you have to earn these things if he was out here doing these things and it was unearned and it wasn't funny they would we would know we would know we would sniff that out right away especially in the year 2020 you sniff that out right away and you're like oh god fuck this dude we're not watching this i fucking loved that they turned the sidekicky guy from the first movie into the cat into the love seat in the first scene when he realizes he's sitting on his friends there and the penis is just i mean to me there's almost

nothing funnier than in bruno when the dick is swinging around and the little kid hole screams, Bruno! Bruno! Like, I thought it was so fucking funny. I mean, two seconds in, I was laughing. Like, just as soon as he said, like, wah-wah-wee-wah stays funny, unfortunately. They also, like, really, they really earned in the movie why they were able to even do a second one. Because I was thinking, like,

oh, how will they do a second one? He's famous he can't fool anyone and then they literally just made that part of the plot like borat is very famous everyone knows him so he's like i need the disguise and then he gets in disguise also i'm sorry but it it just the borat voice thing it is i don't know it is funny it's so funny like my wife is funny again my wife is has always been funny to me and even when people use it ironically i'm like that's my wife is my wife is comedy and that cram is so funny yeah jean first of all the storybook in this where about the girl who touches herself and then gets swallowed it's so funny it's so good and the babysitter what a babysitter your titties will not keep you from drowning you need to learn how to swim you're a pretty girl she was like i was like oh my god

this person was genuinely touching she was concerned and like so funny but even even to have maria i don't know if it was like a, a Linnell thing, because I know Linnell was in the first one, and, like, she kind of was, like, in on it. I haven't heard much about this woman, but I feel like even Maria as the daughter, like, in the car was, like, playing it so real and grounded. Yeah. Like, as this girl who's, like, receiving this, like, kind of attention from someone else that's not her father and like and like not knowing how to process it i'm like wait there are like some really like human things to this that being said there were some people on twitter saying they were crying about the ending and i don't think so honey that like i don't know about crying it's a nice end

it's a heartwarming ending but ultimately it's borat too and we can't be crying tears you know but maybe maybe maybe it's like maybe it's earned there's some earned emotion because it's like it's a 14 year old character at least like from the first movie to now it's like they've seen borat as a fixture in the culture i've i'm obsessed with borat i love you do you remember the the first when you when you saw 100 i remember it's so my ap and this was probably bad of him to do but my ap european history teacher told us all to go see it he was we were we were i think 15 and my 15 16 yeah dr fernando like, you guys have to check out this movie. I mean, you really shouldn't go, but like, it's gonna

be funny. And this other guy that taught at the school who was like the AP US teacher was also like egging it on. And so all my friends in high school went to go see it. And it was just it was such a cultural

moment. Like Borat took over it was so funny in a real way and shocking jesse david fox tweeted this he was like my memory of borat my like memory and conception of or perception whatever of borat was it was this cultural phenomenon and this gigantic smash hit success at the box office that made so much money. But then actually, if you look at the returns of that week,

it didn't really make too much money. That's crazy. Because it does seem like this monster hit. He feels almost as culturally relevant as Austin Powers, which were actually huge films. And I will say a big part of me does miss that type of comedy, like big character comedy that's done really well.

So the fact that this is back and people seem to be responding to it well gives me some hope that maybe we'll see some more character driven stuff going forward because when that's done well it's so fun it's so fun and that's what i'm saying like he does this well he does it well even when the movie is like a total c plus b b minus like bruno it's not a great film and it's definitely not as good as it just kind of loses it loses the plot a great film and it's definitely not as good as Borat. It just kind of loses, it loses the plot a little bit, but it's so funny.

It's still so funny. Yeah. I mean, Brittany Gastineau or whatever, one of the Gastineau girls being like, abort it. About him being like,

do we keep it or abort it? And she's like, abort it. And then when they were talking about how the fetus needed to lose weight, like, to me,

that was incredibly funny because he got her to me that was incredibly funny because he got her to do that yeah and it was a comment on what kind of play it's honestly a genius moment in this quote-unquote screenplay because you immediately get like this is a town where people will do anything to get on camera like they will play a game called Keep It or Abort It, which sets the table for his character so well. And the fact that she's a real person who many of us watched a reality show about is just so insane.

And genius of him to include. Genius, but they are screenplays because the first Borat was nominated for the Oscar, wasn't it? Was it? The first screenwriting Oscar yeah let me look this up Oh yeah that would be good to know there's been so many great comedy films that have not gotten the screenplay Oscar nominations

merely just because they're comedy I mean Mean Girls should have one Clueless should be a screenplay award Oscar winner. Oh my god yes absolutely. Yeah there's just been a lot of good good stuff that is not it was nominated for best adapted um although but then the departed one of course well 2079 academy awards um that's like you know what other comedy nomination screenplay i love my big fat greek wedding oh my God. Nia. Yeah. She deserved it.

And it was such a like cultural phenomenon. We talked about that, that movie almost exclusively on the George Severus episode. That's right. Wonderful movie. I love that nom. And also of course, bridesmaids and of course bridesmaids.

I feel like this was a successful sequel to, which was not going to be a given. And I feel like, yes, like I feel like Sasha Baron a successful sequel to which was not going to be a given and i feel like yes like i feel like sasha baron cohen really like stuck the landing just in terms of making this work and not like fully questioning its existence or like i like it is a different american now and it is kind of fun to think about borat in in trump country and what he would respond to i was also thinking about how and i don't mean to be a narc here. I'm not trying to be narcy with this.

But when in the film, they're like, it's quarantine, we have to shut down. And he like sort of fully continued like in going to places where he was not like, you know, in a public health sense advised to be um with a crew i was kind of thinking to myself like at what point is it like kind of shitty that he's still doing this but then i was really happy to have the art but i feel like in the movie this is a spoiler uh for anybody who hasn't watched this but in the movie when he when like when like lockdown starts he's he just lives

with these two men in their cabin. And it's implied that weeks and weeks and weeks go by. Because it goes from March, which is when lockdown started, to June, which is when that rally happens where he finds his daughter again. Sorry, there's some spoilers. So it's implied that Sacha Baron Cohen, as Borat, lived in this house with the crew and these two men for three months. Which does not add up to me. And I feel like maybe those men were actors. Yeah. I don't want an arc either,

and that shouldn't take away from the sort of art that is Borat's subsequent movie. It makes it even more brave, really. Exactly. Oh, they were not actors and he lived with them for five days, hot executive producer Anna says. Okay, interesting. Do you in bruno this the orgy thing when he was in that orgy in bruno when pretending to be straight like there was like a whole scene where he literally had right infiltrated a real

orgy that's right and then he keeps trying to like have sex with that one guy and yeah and he's like i'm fucking a pussy why would I fuck you when I can fuck? And then the woman's like, he's fucking a pussy. Why would he like you when he likes you? He doesn't want you. He wants pussy. Okay. He wants my pussy.

There's on the dirtiest mattress on the floor. And then he gets the shit beat out of him by that lady. I don't know. To me, it's like pretty. Where is the Oscars for him? Give him an Oscar. Nobel Prize. I think he is so, I think he's so genius.

Did you ever see The Dictator? I actually have not seen The Dictator because I was a little burnt out on North Korea comedy at the time I feel like it was right after the James Franco one right before it was before really yeah it was before but it was him and it was like Jason Manzoukas I thought it was great I thought it was

pretty fun too it's not like his best it was entirely scripted right that was entirely scripted and it was not shot like a like a mockumentary or like right right right oh my god i just also borat borat nude to me is not funny because it's like he's like he's a good body sasha barricone has like a like a hot bod do you think i think a little bit yeah I don't see him sexually, but I appreciate that many do. I count myself among the people who see him sexually.

Maybe that's just, I can't, because only every time you see him nude, pretty much is in the Borat outfit. So maybe it's just the outfit not being super flattering. That's taking it away from me. I would love to see him fully nude is what I'm saying. Take off the little thing get naked

only fans get only fans i've i now subscribe to three only fans final thoughts on borat too i felt like it was important for us to talk about this final thoughts on borat too are sasha baron cohen icon maria young actress to watch. Yes. To me, honestly, shows like Margot Robbie level promise and potential. Oh my God. But with a more explicitly comedy angle, which is dangerous. And we should be looking out for her. She's Bulgarian.

Bulgarian actress. Well, she's breaking worldwide. Yes, yes. And I would say, great piece of comedy though, a tad over long. Yeah, it was longer than the first, which I thought was interesting. Movies are too long,

and that's actually a Rework Culture number 19. Movies are too long. But, you know, that's just, it's a critique I have with everything. Amazing that he was able to get that Giuliani moment and like have it released the week it did and have it be like a true capital S story that dominated the news.

Did you read the Caroline Giuliani piece? I did not read the Caroline Giuliani piece. I heard it was lovely and she, you know, is on the right side of things. Yeah, she rocks. But it's like, God, like the Ron Paul thing and Bruno is so fucking wild. And like, that was nuts.

That was nuts. I mean, that was like, he was like sexually assaulting Ron Paul. No, yeah, that was exactly what that was. I'm really happy you brought it up because I would hate to not mention that. That is true. Like, that was nuts.

But it did. That was nuts. The did the last line but i couldn't even that to me was so like the whole thing is too much but the punchline ultimately did make me fall on the ground oh my god i couldn't even stop RuPaul I love Bruno so much and this is the thing readers like thank you for meeting us where we're at right now and we love you very much and I think that

we are not alone here and everyone's kind of like Jesus Christ the election general panic about the existence of us all going forward what is happening so we're there too anyway so a big old general i don't think so honey to everything but um let's move into the segment and begin with i don't think so honey i do have one i have a i have a premise. Okay. Interesting. This is Matt's

premise based I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, maybe it's not a premise. I'd have an idea for an I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, this is Matt's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, Mitch McConnell being purple.

He looks dead to me. I have been to open casket wakes and seen people in caskets there that look more alive than mish mcconnell what is going on it literally looks like a curse is keeping him alive yeah there's something deeply going on there. And if we're going to harp everyone in America on the age of Biden and consistently dig into this thing of he's old, he's old, he's old, he's senile, he's senile. What exactly is going on with your girl Mitch then? Because that looks haunted. That looks haunted. All the houses that aren't haunted because of quarantine right now, the haunts are all going to Mitch McConnell

and keeping him alive to enchant him. Barney the dinosaur. Darn Barney the dinosaur is not as purple as this bitch. I don't think so, honey, that color. And that's one minute. Barney the dinosaur is- Darn Barney the dinosaur. Darn Barney, that's the title of the app, honestly. Darn Barney the dinosaur Barney the dinosaur Barney the dinosaur

Barney the dinosaur Parentheses Matt and Bowen get too high again For real this time Matt and Bowen are high and tired No we can't do Tired culture I know I know

You were You know what you talked about the traveling last week. That I forgot to bring up. You are king of I'm so tired, I'm so tired, I'm so tired. I am tired culture. The moment I knew culture was for me, the culture that made me say culture

was for me was being tired. And made me go, oh, I am tired culture. That's rule of culture number 46 bowen is tired culture no you actually are the most alive culture of the moment so enjoy it bitch so is it time it's time for me oh god okay bowen yeah do you have something that you're thinking of that you could do a premise um i do i do yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay here we go this is bowen james i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey bacon egg and cheese you are ruining my ass so much i why am I eating you every single day? You are what's keeping me in this bad, bad, bad dietary cycle. It's another, look, I have a third addiction, everybody. Ready to hear it? BEC, okay? BEC is my third addiction. Worse than the cigarettes because at least there's no fucking pork fat in it okay you you are you listening to me there's no pork fat 30 seconds pork fat and processed cheese product um bacon

and cheese you're the most delicious thing in the world and i can't i wish i knew how to quit you in the words of jake or was it heath it was Jake. It was Jake. It was Jake. And I pray that one day you lose your status as a New York institution. I know the bodegas thrive on it, but it's really killing our children and me and your Bowen Yangs. And that's one minute.

It's killing our children and our Bowen Yangs. That's actually a rule of culture. Number 40, 40 40 bacon bacon egg and cheese it's killing our children children and bowen yangs you know for me it's sausage egg and cheese you're a sausage queen and to quote pat that's just what works for me and my family that's just what works for me and my family i feel like bacon if you're a bacon person that's bottom culture if you're a sausage person that's top culture yeah to me that makes a lot more sense um because bacon is sort of like stylized and cute and there's like a twist and um sausage is just like me wait it's me casing and I have them at Starbucks every day when I get my get this

don't get too hard pumpkin spice cold brew yum pumpkin spice cream cold brew and sausage egg and cheese on what I think is like a I don't know like a

on a croissant bun flaky bun I forget what it is English muffin I guess I don't know. On a croissant bun? No, not a croissant. I forget what it is. It's like an English muffin, I guess, thing. Anyway. Where are we at right now in the discourse with pumpkin spice? I feel like it's the backlash to the backlash

to the backlash to the backlash or whatever. This is social media comment culture. No, no, no, no. I don't even think... I'm saying the fact that it's general the fact that we can't just enjoy pumpkin spice i know but i'm saying like year after year it seems to like swing the other way where it's like okay this year we like it and i'm like and i'm like well guess what i've always enjoyed it just fine i'm not i'm not fanatic about it i think every now and then i'll

be like oh it's a crisp day in October. I'll have a pumpkin spice something. You know what? It's very good. And that's why it's popular. And you can't not like the good thing just because a lot of people like it. Like, why? That's depriving yourself.

Come out of the shadows, darling. We're drinking pumpkin spice. Come join. shadows, darling. We're drinking pumpkin spice. Come join. We're all in the park drinking pumpkin spice. You can join. You're invited to join. Why wouldn't you? Why do you want to be amongst the shadows?

Why do you want to be amongst the shadows? This is such a good performance. God, you're such a talented orator you really are you feel this way i of course i do matt matt is one of the most effective communicators i'm what i feel you salessa you know matt you are so you really are a light i think about you at work and my despair and i smile i go go, oh man. I couldn't believe yesterday when I was smiling up at the TV beaming at Bowen Yang

on Saturday Night Live. I sometimes just beaming at the TV. Were you watching live? I did watch live last night. Oh my God. So you were watching when I was on, when I was doing it. I was literally watching

while you were on stage and I was like, this is live television. That's Bowen. That's cute. That's fun. Was it fun to sit next to adela the sketch it was so fun she was so wonderful i i just think she's the best and i just i'm i feel so honored that

i got to share it i got to even share a frame with her, even at, even at good nights, honey. I wanted so badly there to be a big surprise that she was going to do a song. But then I was like, nah, she's clearly not ready.

I think she's very, she's very precious about her work, which is her right. And she has every right to be proud. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like her work is so the bar is so high. Can you imagine? Like. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, her work is so... The bar is so high. Can you imagine?

Like, that's... I know. It's so crazy. Like, she's had literally... It's unprecedented success with her last two albums. Like, you have to give her time to feel good and comfortable with what she's gonna output. Any of these artists who are releasing music, it's like... Remember, like, when 25... She said that she, it's like, remember when 25,

she said that she had a whole different album recorded for 25, but then Rick Rubin listened to it and was like, you could release this if you wanted to, but I don't think you'd be proud of it. And she was like, okay, well, I'm going to re-record everything and write completely new songs. You have these huge people weighing in, which is both good and bad.

I'm sure it's like so stressful, but to have Rick, if Rick Rubin was like, you should probably think about doing this again. I'd be like, absolutely. But then it'd be like, I better make sure it meets a standard that Rick Rubin has set because he

appreciates my work or whatever that, whatever the relationship is. I'm like, that's something that like is that we kind of take for granted in, in terms of how these artists navigate their new work. It's like, oh, yeah, you have so many stakeholders in this, which is maybe not the best thing. But also at the same time, it's like you have to think about that rubric constantly. Yeah, I don't know.

And they're dealing with everything we're talking about, too, on the biggest level. Like, right. about too on the biggest level like right we've talked about how you know when adele kind of released that photo of her after her weight loss like the the way everyone in the world has something to say about it like that's not a normal situation for someone to be at the center of so she needs the emotional space to be able to create not only just create as what i'm meaning to say but also exist in the public eye in that way again you know what i mean like it's it's you need a lot of time to prepare for something like that i would imagine right right right so you gotta let her fly you gotta let her be

oh my god but literally her like singing her song and she sounds fucking album quality i'm like yeah and she makes it look so easy and it just comes out of her effortlessly yeah i'm sure it takes effort but she makes it look so well she's a fucking star and i mean like she is like an uncommon breed of star she looks looks stunning. She sounds gorgeous. Actually, the one and only time I've seen Adele live was at SNL. Henry and I went and sat in the studio and saw her sing Hello. And when we were young, we were crying. I mean, she's so beautiful and pure to watch perform live.

And it just feels like such a moment. And her songs are so good that she she's just she really is that star level she's something else yeah and even like her like at the read through reading all these scripts like some of them cold i'm assuming like was so she's a great reader great performer has great timing it's like oh my god like you're you kind of are like the full packet i don't know i i just i think she's so i i was a fan of hers before but like now i feel like she um just to even have like the curiosity and like the um the attitude of like i mean i've always wanted to kind of host so why not do it i'm like that's great like i i don't know i I think that's cool. And I thought she had a great show.

A lot of great sketches from our writers that were very suited to her. Anyway. And you got to shake your little bonbon. I got to shake my little bonbon. Yes. That was fun. Which actually reminds me of a song. And usually how we end episodes is with a song do you feel

prepared to do that do you want to put any imparting words of wisdom onto our very good readers i think um don't use any hashtags if you want to say something shitty about anybody exactly and let us know what you thought of Borat 2. Actually, maybe don't. I've been doing too much reading. I should actually focus on books and not, you know, DMs. Because if I put something out there. Wow.

The fact that you can either choose to, when you think of reading, it's like books and DMs. I actually have been reading too much lately, but it's been DMs. I'm going to switch back to books 100%. It's time that I could be using to read a book. And I'm reading this great book right now. Oh my God. I'm reading this book by Ted Chiang. It's called Exhalation. It's short stories.

He's the guy who wrote the short story that Arrival is based on. And so it's just wonderful, like really super like cerebral, like just in terms of like, they make you think these like sci-fi stories. He has one that's set in like an Arabian Nights tale within a tale like set up and it's about time travel and it blew my fucking mind. I hello, read, let's read more books. I already feel like a more, a better person who does not need to check my phone all the time because, Oh,

I want to finish this book. I'm reading that. I'm enjoying. I read more. You know what? I was just thinking to myself. What? That,

um, we should do a spooky episode for Halloween. Yes. But then I realized that that would be this episode. So I guess this was the spooky episode. No, we can do another spooky episode. I think it'll be too late. Oh, then that'll release on November 4th.

But I think this episode has been a little spooky. We brought in some dark spooky energy. Wait, what was the song from Hocus Pocus? That could be the one that takes us out. I put a spell on you. And now you're gone. You better opt out. I put a spell on you.

And now you're gone. Whatever it is. You're gone. When you can get to post the shots. I don't know the words, but It's the worst I put a spell on you And now you're gone Thora Birch, you can tell

she was playing seven or like 15. It was that, but that was it. That was it. She was so good in that role, but that character was written in a way that was like,

which she knows a little too much about sex for a seven-year-old. But anyway. Thora Birch She's always been every age. Rule of culture number nine. Bye. Bye.

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