Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “DEATH! To All of Them!”

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

After this past weekend hit them like a ton of bricks (Bow more so), the jester besties share their thoughts on the chaos of Pride, and how the new tradition may actually be to Be a Bitch to Any Old Acquaintance In Your Immediate Vicinity This Pride. Reflections on the already-historic/histrionic Madonna Boom Boom Room party take up their necessary space as the boys talk about the expectations vs. reality of any situation, but particularly how it hits different when you smoke some wild-ass reefer. After some choice words about quote-tweet culture and on the beginnings of Drag Race All Stars 6, Bowen randomly starts getting emotional about what Conan O’Brien means to him which is probably due to drugs but he still means it. IDTSHs eventually open up discussions about Jamie Lynn Spears’s fecklessness and ice at parties before the boys close on their quick thoughts about “Planet Her” and the new Tyler, The Creator. It’s a wild one, folks. Happy post-Pride! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, Matt. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las culturistas calling i heard from a friend of a friend that that dick was a 10 out of 10 what oh my god never mind wait never wait what are you trying to i was trying to doja cat yeah okay wait wait wait can i tell you can i be very real yeah I thought this could have been anything because we did have sort of a pride weekend and so that sure but you could have actually heard that from the front I had a pretty

sexless pride weekend which I know which is not the goal I just want to say that mine was very chaste it was a very chaste pride weekend did have some lovely little dance floor moments with some some individuals but otherwise kept it really responsible not no i take that back that's not the word i'm looking for i kept it chaste it is not irresponsible what get to close i did not

get to clothed i did not i didn't even i all I did was open up my, you know, my button down for a couple moments. And that was it. Anyway, what was yours like? Mine was, you know, sort of, to be honest with you, I've realized now more than ever, I really can't stay out past like one. And so a lot of it was finding a friend and leaving. And whether that meant just going to have a nice meal or go fall asleep somewhere. It was sort of a lot of that. But I would not consider my Pride weekend sex-filled. I certainly wouldn't.

I don't, yeah, I mean, but I kind of want to de, I want to sort of debunk this whole notion that like sex is what's driving Pride. I don't think that's what's happening pride I don't think that's what's happening I don't think that's ever been what's happened for most people and that's it's okay for us

to all admit that as a collective yeah I think that honestly what I wanted out of it was to sort of be back in New York go to all these events that I've been seeing like I really wanted to go to Tai Chi finally, and we made it to Tai Chi.

And by we, I mean me. And I sort of, like, did get to experience all of it. But I have to tell you, ultimately, I'm only exhausted at the end of Pride. And I sometimes feel as if at the end of it, like, I don't know if I had fun. Now, remember, like, this comes at the end of it, like, I don't know if I had fun. Now, remember, like, this comes after the end of a few days of go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

And it's a lot, a lot, a lot. And so sometimes your serotonin is sapped. But I really didn't take substances this time that really sapped my serotonin. I mean, you and I did half a molly and we'll say it. But you, I think, took more substances than I. I, whether or not that's true, I definitely snapped. I definitely hit a breaking point.

And I'm still kind of in that space where I'm like, ooh, I had a moment where it was dark. And I, I'm just going to say it. Like, I was like, and I talked to our good friend, good, good, good friend, good, good, good friend, Fran Tirado about this.

Cause he was dealing with kind of a similar thing where it was like, we were both like fucking the marshals of fun and had to like concierge people's asses into like doing fun things. And I was like, you know, it's, it's, it's a drain and I don't mean to like make it sound like i hate that i'm like

framing this in terms of something transactional but like it did feel like um i was like things were being procured from me and by the end by sunday like circa 8 30 p.m i was like you guys figure out what you want to do because i have facilitated everything up to this point and one of you figure out which fucking car to go into because i'm not about to make that decision for you yes can i and i'm just i'm just being open about that with you and i and you and you and you you came in like a very good sister and like really talked me down and i am very appreciative of that but i the the fact still stands that like i finally fucking like i don't know i i bottomed out chemically emotionally legit like you know um um on a producerly level i feel like i was producing the weekend for people

and i was like no no i don't i i don't want to do this anyway. I think that what it's popularly, how it's popularly phrased is she snapped. And I think that I was happy to be there for my sister when I saw the sort of limb breaking and I was there to hold my sister's hand because you are right. You were sort of like kind enough to like be like, this is what we're going to do. And I think it was exciting in the beginning, but I could see even on, I think, Thursday, I was like, oh, this is going to be a lot. And I want to say, I've been saying it for years. Okay.

And I think I have to sort of correct myself. Tell me. Be a bitch to your closest friends, this pride. But sometimes you don't even have to be that close of a friend to be a bitch to your closest friends this pride but sometimes you don't even have to be that close of a friend to be a bitch to people you can just be riding their back and be a goddamn acquaintance and i will say this to your acquaintances this pride and i we love we we i would say this every single person i saw this weekend i love and i even saw people that i didn't love before this weekend i looked them in their eyes and I said, I love you actually. And now I really believe it. But this is a weekend to get on the very last

nerve of the people around you. And by the end, we all need a break. And I think now we have a boundary for next year. This was, of course, well, we'll see. We'll i hope i hope we all sort of take away one lesson this year which is um like just like just just just pull it back a little bit because it was be a bitch to your oomphies as the kids say on twitter like like like every like you know it was a lovely experience to hear people be like oh my god like you know i, you know, I know that gay from Twitter. And isn't it so nice to see them out in the wild? I love that. I love that we're able to finally externalize all of these relationships that have only played out on the Internet the past year and a half.

God bless. But also, I mean, oh, careful now. Careful now, because there are some things and those relationships that are not fully earned yet and you may be and i'm not i'm not speaking from experience i did not deal with this but i've heard i've heard some people recount odd interactions where it's like oh this person that i've known from the internet that i've that i'm convinced i'm in love with has rebuffed my advances and i feel like garbage and i'm like damn that sucks and i'm very sorry i have a couple of those where it's just like you experienced that i i i have experienced a sort of so and especially it's like when you're

coming to a new city um especially when you're coming in and it's like there's a lot of expectation around seeing people that you've talked to online and the thing about the pandemic is i've talked to thousands of people online and like i feel like i mean like you know that's a little hyperbolic i know but i think that i've got a lot of those like um like truly online relationships i'm sure many readers can can identify with this where it's just like some someone out there it's like you really have like a firm relationship with them in terms of the dms and then you get to the city and it's just like, there's an expectation to sort of meet up. Meanwhile, there's

so much to do. It's not even to meet up. It's just, it's the expectation to like, match the tone of the DMs when you're in person. It's like, it's like, whatever. This is like, we're not even saying anything new, but it's like, there is like, it's like some like, diluted version

of like, online dating, when it's like, you've been talking to the person for like, months, and you're like, oh, like some like diluted version of like online dating when it's like you've been talking to the person for like months and you're like, oh, finally we're meeting and isn't this so nice? But wait, we have to like triangulate. I'm saying this word too much. I'm sorry, triangulate. But we have to triangulate based off of. It's a rule of culture.

It's rule of culture number 17. We have to triangulate. We have to triangulate. We have to. Imperative. Kant said it's a categorical imperative that we triangulate

um wait there's an addendum to the rule there's an addendum to the rule as rule number 17 as Kant once said

we have to triangulate um anyway I overall like it was a lovely time but you know

the writer it wasn't there's this writer andrew when they write for um new york magazine they also uh perform under the drag alias dynasty we saw them oh no you weren't there yet oh no you did you saw them they did it they did um guido they did um that number from nine unbelievable and we have to say we had the best time at knockdown center and like on fan pride wonderful programming yes it was so fun. I mean, it was incredible. And I saw, I think,

the first time I really had seen something I didn't know I always wanted, which was a drag performance. Well, yes, obviously. No, I've seen drag king performances before. But a drag performance of A Call from the Vatican from Nine, the Penelope Cruz version.

Penelope Cruz version. So Dynasty, we love you. So Andrew Nguyen also is the one who has, maybe not the one, the Penelope Cruz version. Penelope Cruz version. So Dynasty, we love you. But so Andrew Nguyen also is the one who has, and maybe not the one, I don't want to give, I don't want to put this all on them, but they've certainly helped start the conversation,

the discourse around the Christopher Maloney as like a gay sex object. Yes, big time. Or not even gay, just an object of desire and someone who is like leaning into, and I think Chris is finally leaning into like

knowing that like ass. Well, if you love ass, you're gonna love Chris Maloney. I mean, but it was always there. Like, you know, Oz has been there all along, but now I think Mr. Maloney is really understanding

what he's providing to the community. And I think Andrew Wen was writing about this for the cut for a long time. And now, you know, now they're, they're bemoaning the fact that a lot of people are reaching out to them and DMs being like,

have you seen this bit of Christopher Maloney news? And they're like, God, this is like the beat that I've chosen. And so this is like the, the bed that I've made. And I'm like, no,

Andrew, it's okay. Like you have started this conversation in a very good way. But also they said, I saw them post something on Monday. They were like i most years and this year especially i feel even more sad and cynical after pride than i do like happy and hopeful and i'm like you know i think deep down we all relate to this i don't know is that is that too bleak i'm sorry we're starting no i mean i'm telling you this is a redux of our serotonin deficit episode of our serotonin bottoming out.

And I will say this. I actually I was looking forward to this episode because I was looking forward to checking in with you because I actually think there might be a difference in our legit serotonin level right now because I for most of the weekend actually avoided Molly. You seem good. avoided molly i i i think i might have like because it was so because memorial day weekend was so much i was like i'm actually gonna take a step back and sort of like you know not that this is better but like it was very much an alcohol forward uh pride weekend for me like the amount of tequila sodas i i'm really impressed with myself, actually. Or not impressed, but like, she can drink still. Really, really, really. In a major way. But I avoided, like, drugs.

And I think, maybe it's because I knew I had to work. I'm working this week. But I was just like, I really, I'm happy I didn't go as hard as I have in the past. Because I know what you're saying. And I don't really want to feel that way about pride weekend but I find that I often do like my maybe my expectations are so high and also you know a couple years ago because of world pride I think we had like an uncommonly good time because we had so many people there that um were from you know everyone came up on New York yeah

and it was not such an ass sake to get tickets to things like you know what I came up to New York. And it was not such an asset to get tickets to things. Like, you know what I mean? I also think maybe you shouldered a lot of that because it was so hard to get into stuff. And you know, you were able to like provide that experience for people. And so you did shoulder a lot of that. And like, I know like people

are very grateful to you. I'm so grateful to you. And I also don't want you to feel some type of way about me because I came in from LA like, I guess I'll just go with Bowen because I just want to go with you. I'm so grateful to you. And I also don't want you to feel some type of way about me because I came in from LA. Like, I guess I'll just go with Bowen because I just want to go with you. And there I was sort of like seeing what it was, what it was doing.

Well, not to, not to sound, not to sound whatever, but like, it was like, I'm happy to provide that service. It's not a service.

I'm happy to provide that service it's not a service i'm happy to provide that for you because i i have reason to want you to be in the same places that i am right but it's when but it's literally when it's like oh be be exploited by your furthest acquaintances this pride i'm like no no no i'm like who is? Who the fuck am I letting in? I don't know this person. Anyway, I'm sorry. It's just, I just, it was just like things being like, I don't

know. I don't know. And I talked to our good friend, recent guest of the pod, Celestium, about this. And they were like, you know, because they had witnessed me like being sort of like, just, they'd witnessed me attending to a lot of wonderful, wonderful people coming up to me and being like, wow, you have. Well, first of all, it's the thing that we talked about with 80, right? When like when it's like someone like Kyle Mooney is at Disney World.

It's like a bunch of people been like come on in funny guy love your work yeah yeah and then with like 80 it's like you have changed the way that I look at myself and then I'm like yeah oh shit that is a different kind of approach and then like I was getting I'm sorry to say and I know it's like first of all fuck off I don't think so many of the people who are like Bowen's complaining about celebrity rights no they're not they're literally not this is a thing so it doesn't matter this is it no they're they're here there are fucking snitches like who listen to that there are they're not readers they're fucking snitches and i will literally fucking pop your jaw off if i see you i'm i'm sorry i'm like getting i'm like honestly getting to the point where it's like I'm okay with threatening violence

I'm like listening to a lot of we know you've always been okay we know that Bowen Yang is violent whatever I anyway oh my god this is so dark this is pure okay you can tell can everyone tell that my dopamine receptors are like no you're not on the list you're not allowed like

they're not taking any chemicals in I but fucking whatever They're like, no, you're not on the list. You're not allowed. Like they're not taking any chemicals in. I, but fucking whatever. I'm talking about a specific kind of thing where it's just a frequency and a volume of like interactions. I feel like as a human being, I have to honor what people are telling me. Like, wow, like my self-perception

as it relates to like my queer Asian-ness is like, is this different, is hitting a different level. And like, I'm so happy to have that conversation. I saw multiple people this weekend where we've had conversations where it's like, let's talk about like what this experience is as like Asian people,

which is no matter what going to be heavy, but it's not like what you want to do when there's a drink in your hand watching a drag show. Right. Exactly. It's not, it's not that it's not a matter of what I want to be doing. It's just that like,

I kind of feel like, or that I am obliged to do. It's something that you were like, kind of like conversationally, you like, you got to engage in for a little bit right over time that like accumulates to a level where like i feel like on top of like everyone everyone fucking hitting me up for like getting me getting themselves into things or like picking up things from me i'm just

like wait wait wait wait wait i like mentally i don't have the fortitude for this and like this is the first time in, I think like two years, right. I've been like, fuck off, stop, go away,

go away, get away from me. I can't be here. I can't, I have to like I, where I broke, I broke for the first time in years. And anyway,

I'm sorry. Is this, is this too real? I mean, there's nothing to apologize. I honestly, this is why I kind of was like, okay,

on that last night of Sunday, I was like, let me stick right here next to Bowen because I could kind of sense. And you could sense that I was like, I'm about to leave. Like, let me just say goodbye to the girls and go to the dolls and leave. And I also like,

I think I experienced some version of what you're talking about, maybe about 15% of it. And even I think it's a little overwhelming. I have too had people come up and say, you know, and it's so lovely, but- It's so, it's the nicest thing in the world. But it is like, you also want to,

I get that you also want to be able to like provide like, and I think that you do a great job, but I do understand what you're saying where it's like when you are meaningful to someone and they tell you that, like it's not happening just once, it's happening sort of are meaningful to someone and they tell you that like it's um when it's not happening just once it's happening sort of again and again and again and i also think it probably was just a different pride experience for you because honestly you that i saw someone someone

sent me like um and not to literally do this to you in the in this on this episode but someone sent me a like tweet that was like bowen yang just gave me proper so i guess that's pride like and i thought that was funny i laughed but i was that is a you know bowen is like an attract but you were sort of like an attraction at pride at a certain point and i like it felt like that you people were coming up and i was just like i think i i totally no it's not dark because you make people proud and and you like and i know but listen it's like but get it. But I'm not saying I don't understand what you're saying. I fully understand what you're saying and it's got to be a little

exhausting. It was a different experience. I was happy to provide the poppers but in that experience for that person it was I I was like Bowen gave me something which I'm not, which does not illustrate anything. It's just that like and whatever. I'm like, like Bowen gave me something, which I'm not,

which is, does not illustrate anything. It's just that like, and whatever I'm like, this fucking dude is hitting me up. I haven't heard from him in two months. And all of a sudden he's like, Hey, I'm going to be in New York and maybe I can come to your fire.

I'm like, no, stop taking things from me. Stop asking me for things. Stop, stop procurement. I am not here for access to like this thing for you okay and so i'm not saying that like that is not my attitude about you know opening poppers on the dance floor

and like passing them around to people but like for this person to be like that's pride bow and yang gave me poppers i'm like i don't want i don't want that like you saying that i'm an attraction is weird to me because it's like oh like what are you like are you like what is what are you extracting from me and i know again this sounds like i i kind of i kind of remember when eight okay not to bring it back to 80 literally sister life hashtag but remember when 80 was like i've never related to anything more as it relates to like whatever being known than when britney was shaving her head i'm like i i'm about to snap not at that level obviously i'm nowhere near dealing with what britney was has has dealt with anything before but i'm like i'm like i'm like i need to reclaim something i

need to reclaim something and literally i was walking home from from this thing on sunday that i saw you at and i was was telling myself, I was like, the only way I can give back to myself is by like, this sounds so fucking soft and cloying, but the only way I can give back to myself is to like create and is, is to like make something for me. And that is what I'm going to do the rest of the summer. And I will probably pump the brakes on like going to these,

these social things, being social at all. I have like been pretty bad about getting back to people's texts in the last few days just being like not like someone being like let's go to the beach i'm like no we're not i'm not i don't want to be perceived i don't want to be i don't want to be seen i'm i'm sounding i mean i guess like for the reader it's like you guys are kind of extemporaneously listening to me sort of think through this in you know in real time like i am i have to re-estab i need to like triangulate there we go you have to

i'm triangulating where i land based on like what that what that extremity what that extreme version of of what i kind of what stresses me out is and what my ideal is literally Matt I was you know I was I took I took my half a pill on Sunday 20 minutes later as my role was starting I was like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be here I can't be here

and I said bye to you I was rolling by myself in my apartment listening to fucking like you know Tyler the creator and Dojic I, listening to fucking like, you know, Tyler, the creator and Dojic. I was, and like fucking like Haim and Taylor. I was like, this is going to be my musical buffet and I'm going to like fucking have a great time

by myself in my apartment. And I had a blast. I'm sorry. Oh my God. No, and I actually, I said to you, when you said you were going to leave, I think I literally said to you, I was like, well, that's going to be a blast in your apartment.

I was like, you're going to have such a better time in your apartment. I did. I was like, you're probably going to be up to like six. I wasn't. Well, no, no, no, no. Yeah. I think I thought you had taken a full Molly. So that's happened to me so many times where I'll like be like, yeah, sure.

I'm going to do this. And then I realized I look around where I am and I'm like, oh, I don't like this. And I shouldn't have done it. And I was like, oh, I don't like this and I shouldn't have done it. And I was like, why did I do it? And then I go home and I am up fully late, like listening to music, like truly raging, raw-rawing, as I've been saying,

in my apartment by myself. And it's fine and it's great. And I love it. And I just don't, I think, again, it's like an expectation thing. You know what I mean? It's like, and I don't want you to worry about how it sounds to people

because it sounds like you had a Pride weekend that was very up and down. And I think that that is sort of speaking to something that everyone can understand, which is that there's a lot of expectation and a lot of a lot going on mentally, emotionally, socially during Pride weekend for everyone. And I think that, yes, like, like, and so I think it's completely understandable what you're saying. I also had it on a little bit of a pedestal because I was coming back and I realized like, there's really not a moment unless I'm like literally at something surrounded by the three or four people

I really want to be with at that moment that I don't have an element of like stress, anxiety, FOMO. Yeah, no. Or whatever it is. It's like an intangible. It's like an intangible thing I can't really put my finger on where I stop at like, it's like a maximum of joy for me at like 80%. It's like in the moments I'm really enjoying myself.

And then I think it's because like, I think social media plays into it. I think the fact that we've been through the pandemic plays into it. And I think the fact that, you know, like things have changed with the way you're right. You are perceived and the way you are looked at and approached. And I think that that's all really understandable. And I also think drugs, I think drugs. 100% it's drugs. And like, I don't know, like, don't do them. Everybody. There's no like, there's no like blanket application there's no like i don't know this is my really i i i normally don't really do them this and i kind of this

the occasion for doing the drugs was pride and that kind of is its own darkness for me where i'm like why did i feel that it was compulsory to do that you know anyway but honestly i don't know if this is what you were saying but like the most fun moments i had were this is so this is so cheesy but i'm i'm talking to my sister we're with you i was like laughing the most when i was with you we were doing stupid fucking bits and like this is this is the difference this do you relate to this yes that is what that's what i wanted pride to be yes but in terms of the approach my it's my favorite thing when people when you and i are together and someone is able to to say oh my god yeah i love the pod so much and i'm like that is different for me because that is like, are like, kind of like, that is the quintessence of like, us and like, how we like to like, talk to people.

And like, that is, and that is like us, like with no, like, I don't know, no weird, people relate to it in a way that feels like pure and people like that and people and people know how to approach us you know as a as a duo oh sorry eye roll but it's like people know how to approach because we make it very clear on this show like how we feel generally about things and they know like okay like you know matt's sensitive to this bow and sensitive to that let's have the most respectful for sure they're at 1000 the readers that we meet are the most respectful people yeah one just 100 and i will say too it's um it's interesting because there was the the very the first night of pride me being here anyway was on thursday night and we went to the boom boom room y'all we went to that madonna thing and it was it was so i i was so disheartened the second we got there because it was

so crowded you guys it was so crowded it was so seen and it was so much and i was just like oh my god i'm here and already i'm like i'm confronting like what this is in terms of reality and what this was in terms of expectation. And I'm already like so tired and overwhelmed. And then literally, I won't say who, but someone provided the best weed I have ever smoked in my life it's a previous guest of the show it's a previous guest of the show who is a damn legend he's a legend oh legend we gendered him oh my god and i had and like whatever we can't get into this but like i like i was like swept off my fucking feet anyways uh provided the best goddamn reefer i've ever had and i'm telling you i could have stood there and bopped my head and not talk to anyone for hours i was like i am

totally fine i'm looking around and it's like literally it's so funny because and i'll just say this it's like you turn to your left and it's like lance bass and you're like yeah you are the blueprint of this party like you are exactly who's here and i'm just like i'm but i didn't feel stressed because this weed just like dropped me all the way in and it's like you look across the room and there's andy and anderson by themselves talking and i'm like i'm so happy that's real like there they are and then you look over and it's like adam lambert's there and i'm like what the hell then you look over and it's like Adam Lambert's there. And I'm like, what the hell?

Then Madonna comes out and her fucking blue wig looking like Sidney Bristow from alias crawling on the bar. I'm like, this is so funny. And it just was all, it all got to a point where maybe it was because this weed really came through, but I was able to just chill for a sec.

I was like chill because of the weed despite the i've never experienced the chaos of that room oh it was not a good venue for it and when we love we love we love whoever we love the boom room we love everybody who made that happen and thank you and it was it was an experience but it was like so it there it was just every kind of stimulus you could possibly think of was there to like was there to like fucking press down on you yeah and oh it felt like being like 20 000 feet underwater like like the pressure of it was just like it could have crushed you well literally physically we were being crushed and so we finally found like a little place to go but i will say this the aesthetic of

it like i'm telling you it felt like being in hell in like a in like a cool way you know those parties that are like it's hell like the aesthetic is the pit of hell but in a cool way and it's like there's nothing to make you more afraid than the words, no fear in red letters, honking at you at the wall. It's like the words courage and no fear in all red letters, just like blaring at you while this music played.

And it's like truly red lights. And I'm like, this is just so, it was so aggressive that I thought once I smoked, I was like, oh, I might've just made the biggest mistake of my life. But luckily, it was such good weed. And I just had sat there and I was like, okay, now I'm good. And I felt like I hope no one like looks over at me and is like, oh, that guy's not talking to anyone. I don't want to speak to anyone.

And then I finally found you and like sat down and we, we were able to talk like my sister, but like, I was like, I'm totally good now that I'm like completely like zoned in, like I'm okay. And I needed that so bad. Cause I was, I was panicking.

It was a lot. I know. This is how, you know, that was the best weed was because 99.999999% the problem. That's the probability that it would have any other strain of weed would have throttled you the other direction

and you would have been like this is the worst you would be even more anxious and even more like on edge and wow for the weed to like fucking relax you actually change your mental gravitational pull is like incredible and god

bless god bless the supplier that night god bless and i and i mean this night is I'm one struck I'm sitting on the way home I lost me Oh, where'd I go? I just, I was enchanted But you, whatever We can't talk about that Listen, it is what it is

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Mostly an auction. It was mostly an auction. She started with Vogue, which is such a crazy move. Right? She did Vogue and then she did Hung Up. Hung Up. And then she did the auction with Zachary Quinto, who dressed in a pussy bow blouse.

And God bless, the two of them raised a lot of money, I imagine. We're really proud. I kind of like couldn't get a spot. So I went to the back and I was was just like i'm good with this and i think i i did see madonna sort of pass through through the crowd and it was just it was i mean her tits were out we just had to say like she gave you everything that you want from madonna 2021 she was serving you and in all the ways you can imagine it was just i was happy to be there once i was happy to be there but before that it was like oh boy this is i mean it was packed

yeah and so this is another thing i realized that you're hearing you're listening to the two of us sort of like already like wax analytical and nostalgic about this like you know pride experience that was just specific to one city and we hope that like you listening at home in the car wherever you are whatever your relationship with pride is if you've never even participated in it if you don't have access to programming beyond a parade on Sunday, it's okay.

It's okay. You're not really missing anything. We're reporting back to you the fun, cute little details, but overall what we're reflecting back to you, we hope you understand, is an emotion which is oh god this is this is a lot this is a lot yeah well it's okay to be a human being you know like i think that

that's what i never realized i'm more human than one of these weekends where i'm like okay and then i feel crazy because i'm like should i should i want to stay out until six right right and I don't I don't that's maybe there was like and maybe I missed when I had the energy to be able to do that but like I wasn't really doing this type of thing when I was 24 25 and now I'm 31 and I'm just like by the way this is the first weekend of my life where I ever was asked how old are you I I said, 31. And someone goes, that's okay. No, I was, I'd laughed. I was like,

I want you to know, I still consider myself to be very young. And they were like, no, no, no, you are, you are.

And I was like, and I don't need you to reassure me. Oh no, no, no. Ooh. It was like, it was a 24 year old,

obviously. Yeah. And can we just say something? The 24 year olds walking around these events um are are not in the are not in the sort of um are not in the power dynamic they believe they are i just want to say that i just want to make that loud and clear it's like you don't you that's part of being 24 though it's i know it's part of being 24 though. I know it's part of being 24, but it's like, it would just help if you had. And I think this is why we did not stay.

I don't know. I'm whatever. It's that I had some awareness when it back when I was that young that like, I wasn't fucking, I wasn't shit. Like I was, I was, I was a fucking idiot.

I was a clown. I think we didn't have good self esteem then. So I, I think here's what i think if you're 24 and you are ready to fucking stay out till six and you fucking are feeling yourself i wish that for you i just wouldn't say to someone who says they're 31 that's okay but also i do thank the person that did it because it did make me laugh very much a lot and i i i love it. What is your... 31 and that's okay. Let's just put this out there.

Lately, you, Matt Rodgers, have experienced weird age fuckery with 31 and that's okay. And, oh, Matt, aren't you my age? Busy Phillips didn't think I was in my 40s. So how do you feel about that? Well, I'll tell you what. I did have readers i was in my 40s so how do how do you feel about that well i'll tell you what i did have readers finally get in my dms and we're like we listen to the episode we listen to the episode and we're on it we're making you a wikipedia page god bless you all you readers then one person said i tried but they say you don't have enough sourced articles babe and i'm

like okay well i can't do anything about that and again this is not like bloating my ego this isn't like helping me but it's also it also is like very humbling in a way that i think is great i was just like yes thank you guys so much and apparently there is one in process now but it's like it's true i don't have that much that much like media i think hopefully it'll change soon and i will say okay so while you sort of while you sort of like talked about your pride experience i think that honestly something happened to me last week that sort of like numbed me out in a way for pride where it was like i i really didn't so the q force trailer came out oh yeah yeah and um it was like so crazy, the response it got on Twitter, because like it was so it's so funny because it's like a 40 second trailer.

And people were so like people who were are on Twitter only. And I'm convinced don't live off of it. And if they do, it's probably very dark and sad, but came for this trailer so hard. And it's just like, I couldn't even, I was like, wow, this is how stupid people are. Like they're going to watch this 42nd trailer that like Netflix put together

for pride weekend, which you know, it's going to be a little bit like, you know, just by nature of what that is. Like it's going to be a little Yaz queen ish. And I'm like, you know what I mean?

Like it's, it's just, it's never going to hit in a, in a trailer, like for these people online, like these zoomers that needed it to be what they needed it to be. But it's just so funny. The type of complaints I was getting, it was like, well, the type of complaint is all parroted

shit. Like they said the same thing. I was telling you this, like it was, it was almost word for word, the same fucking quote tweeted stuff. That was like when, um, our little pride song came out for the finale of SNL. We wrote, we wrote, we were like,

okay, this is like so clearly, um, modeled after girls night out by Charlie and like holiday by Madonna. And like, it's just, it's not like, it's,

it's not like a fucking like masterpiece. It's just a cutesy little song about like a live, like about what like lived in pride experiences are, which is like everyone spins out and whatever and so and then the quote tweets on it were this feels homophobic somehow this feels homophobic somehow this feels homophobic somehow this it was all the same stuff right i was like okay like we're not even like coming up with like original takes on this anymore after the third or fourth quote tweet it's just regurgitated fucking bolus mush okay that's what this is and it's just because the it's just because

we're in this like consumption mode now maybe um where it's like okay this isn't exactly what's being what i want reflected back to me, then let me immediately write it off as garbage and drivel, that's fine. They're allowed to do that. It just seems like it now, but now it just seems like this thing where it's like, oh, no, no, no,

but like, there is not any nuance beyond, I don't know why, but I hate this. Right, and it's just, what they're trying to say is that it feels like something that is, that creates like a shame in them, I guess. And I honestly think it's like, well, let me just say this. And this is almost, I hesitated if I even wanted to bring this up, but you were being vulnerable.

So I was just like, this is something that happened. So I wanted to talk about it because even though, even as the audience of this podcast grows, I do consider like, you know, the readers of the pod, like family. And like, I, I do always want to be honest on myself on this show. And, um, I'm also very aware that like, you know, we're, you and I are getting more opportunities and we're lucky. And I'm so fucking excited for you and excited for myself when the q force trailer came out and it got like this like bizarre reaction on twitter from a few people that made it seem like it was a lot of

people like like hating on it let me just make it very clear to anyone that that that might like have like commented on this or whatever in a negative way you took nothing from me i'm so fucking psyched about q force i know how funny it is i know how good it is i know exactly what it is i know who it represents i know who's involved in it i'm so fucking excited to be a part of the cast and to have written on it because yes i was a big part of creating it as well as being on screen in it so you're never going to take away how excited i am and how proud i am to be a part of it ever i think it's hilarious it is if you give it a chance exactly what you want it to be it's an incredibly diverse dynamic show that represents all different

facets of the queer community the core four of it is sean wanda sykes patty harrison and me and then it's like other people in the cast play different roles. And there's got an incredible supporting cast and guest cast that hasn't been announced yet. It's incredibly fucking gay as shit. I don't care at all if you are someone who watches it and has a problem with my character

saying something happened to his butthole when he's turned on. You're really not going to like it when my character jokes about getting bread i don't give a fuck what you think about it i love it i i if you have a problem with the fact that there are gay men out here and queer people out here talking about getting fucked like i have a i have to break it to you i know a lot of goddamn whores and like this is just gonna be what this character is and i hope that you like it it's not the whole fucking show but i i just hope that you give it a chance because it's so funny and if you had any idea if any of you had any idea how difficult it

is to get something queer made how difficult it is to get anything made at all in general but then how difficult it is to get anything queer made you would have shut the fuck up and let me say something else when you make something queer it has to check so many more boxes and when you make something from a marginalized perspective it has to check so many more boxes because i'll tell you what if entourage gets rebooted no one's going to talk about the lack of diversity but sex in the city does and everyone has something to say about it because when women make something when pocs make something when queer people make something everyone has something to say and it comes from i think when it comes from our community it comes from a real it's always tough no but it's top down and then it's bottom

up too we're absolutely we're in a fucking like bear trap it's crazy you know what i understand like watching that trailer and think i'm not represented in that and so i fucking hate it and it's like worse for my community that it exists than it didn't give it a fucking chance be smarter than to judge something based on a 40 second trailer made by sorry but netflix give it a fucking chance to be the thing you want it to be because it is and it was truly made for you and i just i i'm sorry to get like upset about this no no no i put at the top of my list and from the beginning and the start of my career when i was making no money for years all i ever wanted to do was make content and make comedy for people like me and in my community and i've been so lucky to

be able to be one of those people that when i log on to something that i'm proud of and i see fuck this this is homophobic somehow coming from what i know are um queer uh twitter accounts and being like this is the reason why people like um why we have hate crimes against our community guess what even if my voice is a little raised now and you sounds like you're getting to me i'm only fired up to keep going because i know what i make and i know what you make bowen yang and i know what people that came up with us make and we're coming from a place of wanting to entertain and provide and represent the queer community and if you don't like it then keep sitting on the fucking couch i don't give a fuck i don't need you there is just something so unsophisticated and like unformed and like pure like college

freshmen or aspiring college freshmen to say this is setting the movement back when it comes to anything. When it comes to anything. You weren't even part of the movement to begin with. So who cares what you think? I hear this from Asian people. I hear this from queer people. I hear this from just people like not even queer people who are like, like huh what bowen yang is doing is really setting gay people back i'm like excuse me what would they

know your your your your version of um you know your pseudo activism is at such a low frequency that no one's gonna fucking hear it it doesn't register babe so don't even bother don't even fucking bother i mean you know it's it's it's like i and i checked in with people that also worked on the show about it and and like you know i was just like you know i think i've been like in a little bit of denial about the fact that it bothered me because flat out and like i'm not gonna get upset but all i ever wanted to do was make the queer community proud and all that's all i ever wanted to do was make the queer community proud. And that's all I ever wanted to do. You do. And so much of what I do, I feel like explicitly comes from my queerness. And it's been from the beginning. It makes me who I am.

I genuinely feel like I only ever really found myself as a comedian when we started this podcast. And I was able to really key into who I was and key into who we were because it was us together. And it was by accident. And I felt like it's been like it's been such a long road and so like I'm going to be proud of my success actually and I'm going to be really proud of Bowen's

success and no one's going to fucking do anything to take that away so and it's like you can keep watching because it's going to you're going to see more of us so how about that there is no developmental process. There's still no developmental process for queer people to land in a space where they are able to make comedy and, and, and try to like, try to have every consideration and

hold every consideration and take those into account while making something that makes it inevitable. Remember when BD said that? I've been quoting that in like every single thing. I've been quoting this to myself when BD was like, you know, it's like

when people say like, oh, like why hasn't there been an Asian person on SNL in 45 seasons? It's not because like there aren't eight funny Asian people out there. It's because there is no process of like making sure that this will happen no matter what that it that it will be

inevitable for whatever an asian person to land on a show like snl or for a queer person to make an animated show about spies like perfect you know um or or something that like won't elicit like fucking weird unmoored outrage clearly it is unfounded outrage because these people don't know why they're mad they i mean they don't know what they're talking about because their complaints are factually inaccurate and so it's this it's this thing where it's like oh it's the worst kind of emotion whether it's guilt fear anger love the worst the worst versions of those things are the versions where you form them out of thin air out of nothing and that's what's and that's what is kind of happening a lot more now um and i just want i just want people to like really like kind of like try to like scope out and take a holistic view of things

and be like oh wait we're figuring this out as we go we're making sure that this happens that there are better versions of this that we like that this is a recursive thing where like people like come out with better things moving forward we're just making this easier for the next person and the next group of people to make something even better for queer people as we go along because that structure has not been built yet. Okay, that's what we're dealing with. I mean, you know what's interesting is it's like,

I think in our own ways, we are sort of a part of like, or maybe like a direct like half like quarter generation away from the first like queer mainstream version of a lot of these things and i genuinely think that like it's like it's almost like we don't know how to celebrate ourselves uh or it's like a rocky road we've gotten we've gotten much better we've gotten so much better it's like a rocky road getting there. We've gotten much better. We've gotten so much better at celebrating. Much better. Remember when Guy Brandon used to say like the only gay men

who are celebrated are porn stars and drag queens? Drag queens, yeah. That is no longer true. That is no longer true. And I think Guy would even cop to that. Right, right.

And I think that it's just, it's interesting. And this is what I hope. I hope that a lot of these accounts that are saying these things that would say something like that about your pride sketch or any of the characters that you

do on snl or that would be commenting on q force or something that i do out there based on like some like hot dog or whatever um it's just like i just hope that that's not reflective of like a younger queer generation i don't think who are like post who are like post celebrating queerness I just it's like a rational fear that I have I'm not gonna know we're not gonna like broadly apply that to everybody no that's that's not what's happening I

like I'm I don't think so and I hope not yeah you know it just it just got weird for a second there and of course it's you know I was thinking about this actually right before I got on because I was like, I was watching All Stars 6 and we were all talking

about it earlier and we were all talking about it in the chat and I hadn't seen it yet, but you guys were like not loving it. I didn't love it, but yeah.

And I watched it and I was like, wait, I think I love this. I was like, I'm having fun watching it. That's, yeah. I love Jara Sofia. I think Akira's looking good. I think so many of. I was like, I'm having fun watching it. Like, I love Jarrah Sophia.

I think Akira is looking good. I think so many of the queens are looking so great. And I'm just like, I was happy to watch it and I was happy to do it. And I was like, damn, it sucks for these queens that they're being premiered on the serotonin dump weekend. You know what I mean?

Everyone's unhappy. Everyone's mad. Everyone's going to be so unhappy for the next week as they finally catch up with like and download fucking Paramount Plus and like get to consume this. I'm like, I think that maybe my sister's in the chat earlier. And I don't deny your opinions, but I will say like continue to give it a shot because you know, it's good.

Although I do say I have some qualms about All-Star 6 if you want to sort of transition out of this moment. And we thank the readers for going on this ride with us. Thank you. Thank you, readers. to sort of transition out of this moment and we and we thank the readers for going on this ride with us thank you thank you readers um it's just like little things where i'm like some of the cast i'm like okay like maybe we didn't need 13 cast members if we're going to consider this person like an all-star and that's not shade to them it just is facts not everyone is an all-star like if you appear on three episodes of your season like or one you know you're probably not an all-star like if you appear on three episodes of your season like or one you know you're probably not an all-star and so the stakes of watching you on the show are just not

going to be there um so and with 13 queens you know on an all-star season you have to think that way i think and also it's a it's sort of getting to the point where like with the challenges i feel like we're repeating ourself like seeing another denim runway, it's just like, or like another blue collar runway. I haven't even gone to the second. Oh, I watched both. And I was just like, okay, this is stuff we've literally done before.

And so if we're going to be so drag and drop, not to make a pun, but I guess I did, with the show, then let's like find new things to do on the runway and new challenges to do, you know? Yeah, yeah. I feel like Then let's like find new things to do on the runway and new challenges to do, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like it's, it's tough. It's tough to talk about Drag Race because we don't know on a decision level, like how much of this is like a ViacomCBS thing where they're like, okay, let's, let's put All-Star 6 on, you know, on Paramount+. I'm sure it is. And, you know, and these poor queens, like, probably can't even vocalize how they feel about it in an honest way. And I just think, I just think, like,

Drag Race itself is going through a period where it is, like, adjusting. And I think, like, it doesn't, the show itself doesn't get too much credit it doesn't get enough credit for like evolving like you know like remember like you know three four seasons ago when a lot of the discussion was around like rue being very exclusionary towards trans queens and it's like now it's like you got jiggly you got you got you know you got like and even before that was like gia and all this and it was it was just like oh no like it has not declared itself like we are it's not being it's not been terribly declarative about the ways it's changed and yet it has yes um it is it is responsive to like the collective critique of it which i think is very valid um extremely and so

i don't know i think like i was just kind of like ribbing on drag race on all-star six to like the thread being like oh god like what is this like what is this talent what what just happened then but then like also obviously finding the moments of like true like true like awe and greatness with like you know jocelyn like shaking like her big love it her big latex tits around i'm like this is actually this is the best of this this is the best of what the show has to offer yes always you know and so like it's there's value in watching it of course and i will say like in that second episode you haven't seen yet incredible lip sync at the end. Oh, great. Like, truly.

And I mean, like, the show, before I got on, I was actually really happy because I was beaming. I found myself beaming up at my television, like, truly happy. And I was just like, oh, great. And yeah, do I have a note for the whole thing that it's on Paramount Plus? Because do I think it really is a big fuck you to the bars yeah I think it's a I think it's a major fuck you to the bars

who really could use this now of course not for nothing not for nothing and I know that like they're doing like you know like when it actually debuts like the bars will do whatever but to have it on streaming like I understand the movement towards streaming and nothing that we say or do is going to stop that. And I also totally understand they want people to watch Paramount Plus and subscribe to Paramount Plus.

I get it. But I do think it's a shame that the communal experience that Drag Race was built based on is not an inherent part of it anymore because it still was even as people sort of like you know now now sort of um you know they accept drag race as part of the real true mainstream like emmy winning repeated again and again and again culture like it's so like um straight people do consume it so much now and it doesn't feel like this thing that like was on logo when there was commercials for lubon during it you know what i mean it's not that anymore but i still think like you have to acknowledge that like that experience of going out and watching it like are it's it's not not even just so important for the show it's so important for the communities and it's important for these like

businesses. So it is the optimal experience of watching the show because towards the end of season 13, you know, uh, stuff was open, stuff was opening back up in New York as far as like an outdoor experience went. Um, and, uh, you know, you and I went to, went to, went to a viewing outdoors and the first time i went back it was so funny it was so the first time i went to a bar to watch season 13 it was so funny to like yep turn to the table next to me during a runway and be like oh they're cheering for that

queen that i don't care for this is what this is why that communal experience is so important and funny because you're like oh i disagree with them and that's and that's great and i'm like oh they don't know i'm like they do not have that like they they don't have like the same standards that i do and i'm like this is why it's fun because you're you're able to like disagree in real time and be like and then everyone reacting and like i just i mean it was that was like my first genuine moment of like euphoria in the pandemic of like oh i'm with people again in this space that like is mostly queer people enjoying this like whatever like show that was kind of originally made for us no matter how mainstreamed it's gotten i'm like this is And so like, even they try to do that with UK when like they would just play it the next day at night.

And I was like, this is kind of was nice. But like, I agree with you. Like, it's truly a shame that like it didn't it did not that that conversion for Paramount Plus in terms of like getting users to like sign up for it is like prioritized over. But of course it is it's capitalism baby well and I think going forward like and I would suggest to all the readers or like hope that all the readers would like create their own experience with it you know what I mean

and I do know that the bars are doing this like they will show the episode at a certain time and I think you know just like check in with your friends and, you know, the places around you that are doing that because it is fun. And like, I have to disagree with my sisters.

I think that it's going to be a fun, goofy season. I think it's going to be a fun season. I'm just like, I just don't know what's going on. I'm like, oh God. I'm like, I keep asking myself why, which I guess is a compelling thing. I'm like, why 13 queens instead of 10? Why these queens from these seasons?

Why that queen again from those seasons? I'm like, there's so many question marks and that's what's throwing me off. I'm distracted from like the pure quintessence of the show because there are so many random ass fucking things. That's all. Yes, and I would say, here's what I would say. In the second episode, one of, I would say, the more random queens involved in the season, like, turns it.

Great. And so I won't give spoilers, but it's like some of the queens, when I saw the list, I was like, oh, so it is that thing of like, you know, maybe Asia O'Hara keeps saying no or Lagan just can't handle coming back or Kim Chi is just, you know, you know, feels above it maybe or like whatever where I'm like, this is the girls we're ending up with. But I will say you're reminded that just because of how you do on a drag race season has really no reflection or bearing on how you are as a queen. And I think it's cool to see them understand what the show is and then come back with like less of a insecurity or less of a notion of what they have to do or less of a, you know, block up and come in and have fun with it. Because another thing is it feels like because these girls all know what all stars is and they kind of know it's like fucked and like it's like you get voted out for like stupid reasons and there's so much fuckery they all care a little bit less and so it's a little bit lighter in a way that's fun to watch i think that's good you know that's a that's a really that's a good

observation i like that i like like i want to feel stressed during a regular season. During an all-star season, I kind of want it to be like they get voted out and it's like, got me, gal. You know, like sort of that energy. Like, oh, I didn't win this silly game, you know, despite the fact that an all-star season is just going to be like a different species of animal because it's like you're you're you know who these queens are you know what you're getting you're just seeing what the mix is and seeing how things play out but again the stakes aren't as crazy whereas like i mean with 13 i was like so with it, with 13, I was like, so with it. I was, I was glued to the fucking screen the entire time. Cause I was like, this is all new.

And by the way, I mean, a lot of the 13 girls were at Boom Boom Room on Thursday. And I think I turned to you at one point. I was like, wait, 13 was like one of the more incredible seasons. Like, cause I was like, I was like over there. I was like, oh my God, Gottmik. I was like, it's Gottmik, Candy Muse and Simone over there. And then, and then we loved Gigi and Gigi from 12 was, i was like yes i was like over there i was like oh my god got me i was like it's got me candy muse and simone over there and then and then we love gg and gg from 12 was i was like i was like oh like i was like i don't think like i think we've like filled that we keep like the show does a good job of filling the well again with like great reality characters and great drag

queens where i'm like i would love to see them on it's not it's because what's happening now with all-star sixes maybe a lot of people are like, Oh, they've run out of great Queens. And I don't think that's true. That's not true. That's not true in the casting of all-star six.

Cause there's some great, great Queens on six. Uh, and I'm also like, there's plenty of like, you know, there's plenty from the reserve. Oh yeah.

And I mean, from in the future, like even from season 13 like and and jan is the only queen from season 12 on so it's like there's great queens from 12 who by the way remember that was a pandemic season and they did not really get their shine afterwards in terms of performing live so there's great girls from 12 and 13 that are going to come on by the way i had a moment with candy muse so i'm i had a moment with Candy Muse. I had a moment with Gigi and Gigi and I really connected and

it was like my one moment of being starstruck all week. I was like, wait, I love you. Literally, Madonna was there and I was like, Simone. I was like, Simone. And it was like, literally Gigi. I was like, Gigi, I have to tell you you are so wonderful and I can tell your good energy and

whatever. And anyway. Gigi is are so wonderful. And like, I can tell your good energy and like, you know, whatever. And anyway, Gigi is a fucking superstar. I was thinking about Gigi being on all stars. I mean, come the fuck on. Like that's in our future. Um, what was your candy thing?

Candy Muse is sitting in the VIP section. And by the way, she was sort of like sourpuss in the VIP section, like doing, doing that. And I love, I live for it. So she turns to me, looks me in the eyes and goes like this, beckons me over. And I'm like, Oh, this is the, I I love it. I live for it. So she turns to me, looks me in the eyes and goes like this.

Beckons me over and I'm like oh, I'm in trouble. I think I might be in trouble here because I did the Grindr recaps. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm literally thinking in my head as she's calling me over. She's like, was I like a bitch to Candy Muse? I don't think

so. I love Candy Muse. I think I was always like a Candy Muse fan even though it was like an up and down season for candy muse like we can say objectively i think i was always like pro candy and good to her but i guess i'm gonna find out so she whispers in my ear were you the one that did the grinder recaps i was like yes yes that was me she goes i thought i recognized you and i was like i was like i want to tell you that i love you and she lines down gives me a kiss and goes i love you too baby and i was like thank god i was like that could have been a candy muse moment like i was like i hope she doesn't like was almost sent something that like i said like maybe shady one time during her more off

weeks but like uh love they know what it is oh she looks great you know what it is they know what it is um candy was also there at poppy juice and i and i i i was oh yeah yeah and boy i was um yes and i was like i was like you know like i am too i was like i respect Candy too much to, like, go up and, like, kind of, like, harsh the vibe a little bit. Do the thing, yeah. Do the thing. And, like, we were technically co-hosts of the event.

Ah, yes. Of the function. But I was like, I got a little follow. I was like, okay, so she, like, she, like, kind of saw me across the way and was like, we're doing the same job right now, this one and I. And I'm like respect

respect we i i was always pro candy you know even even even in the fucking like the creature challenge the animal challenge with the fucking alien around her neck that like the doll hanging around her neck i was living for it i was on the group chat like no i don't care what you guys say i fucking love the look i was loving every candy look that came out every single week. I have been pro Candy this whole time. And also, here's the thing about Candy. Candy has it behind her eyes. Candy believes it, and so I

believe it. Even when she came out with something that wasn't perfect, and who even knows what that is? I said during my recaps a bunch, I was like, she is wearing what she's wearing, but look at how she's selling it. You can tell her nothing. You can tell her nothing.

And that's what I love. And even in that alien getup, everyone was like, this is bad. This is one of the worst things ever. I'm like, says who? You remember it. You remember it. And I will say again and again and again,

sometimes things that are bad are the best things. That's camp. That's camp. That's called camp camp it's reveling in bad taste come on Candy was very much the show a lot of the season and the reason why it was so good Candy producer muse

don't forget it is her name we understand that Simone won the soft drink challenge. Yeah. Sweet tooth, but candy. I mean,

what's the case special glance, the case special glance to the side, glance back at camera. Iconic. Without question. One of the, honestly, one of the smarter commercials and also like something that

like people like people that are the inherent audience at home are going to be laughing at you know what i mean like yeah like truly like the case special that i watched that oh my god shooting we're watching that episode together and cackling at home being like oh my god this is so stupid and funny like candy cackaloosa caca lusa um oh my god you know what sorry not to like fully swerve the other direction but um speaking of stupid like whatever i just i have not really reckoned with the idea that i have been like a conan fucking freak since day one and conan ending like on the perfect note on the perfect note did you watch his little farewell thing?

I did not just because I've been swept up in all lately but yeah tell me about it you specifically should watch it because he's just like all it is is him thanking people and thanking the people who stood by him all these years and at one point he's like thanking

Lisa Kudrow and then there's a whole segment where he and like lisa like go to like this fucking like sidebar at largo where they met for the first time in an improv class and that was really wow i was where they both recognized they both like they were so young they were like in their 20s like both 22 like recognizing each other as like that person's funny i don't know it's not to be cheesy but like i remember exactly where i was i might have been with you when like he did like the whole like cynicism is my least favorite quality and all you have to do is work hard be kind to people and amazing things will happen oh my god i'm crying it's i love conan so much i'm sorry oh my god this is this is like the pure search this is

this is the drugs by the way oh my god um well i mean he is i know i know i know that's a comedy i know that's a legend he's a legend and like it means and it means something to you and i was i was really happy that on that episode with nikki you were able to externalize that because i feel like you haven't really talked about on the podcast no and like no but like raj i'm calling you raj lol like josh sharp does but like every night josh calls me raj every night in middle school and high school, like I would stay up to watch and like, Oh my God, I'm sorry. And so I know like work hard and be kind to people is like on every fucking

like basic, like withered, like the distressed wood poster in the world. But like, I don't know, like that's been like, that's like, that's like such a perfect distillation of like who he is,

how he conducts himself. But then the way he ended this one um this tbs run was the last thing he says is my whole life my whole career has been about finding that sweet intersection of smart and stupid he's like that's what i spent my whole life chasing is that like that little that little like tangential point of smart and stupid and like that is exactly what conan is right like every conan bit is perfectly stupid perfectly smart i immediately me boning i immediately thought of you i thought of you and sudi i thought of you and sudi's like those are the people that i know in my life who do that the best and then and then he says as i said i thought of you too, he says, so if you can do what you love with the people you love, that's the closest thing to heaven on earth. And I thought of you guys and I was like, oh, my God, this man is my hero.

He's been my hero all along. And he like is the reason why I've like stuck with the people that I love is because I knew like that was like the sauce. Like that's like what like that's like what everyone wants and like I'm so lucky to have that and I'm sorry oh my god I'm like literally sobbing over Conan O'Brien lol but like that makes a lot of comedy legend well I love you and I you know I feel the same way and I just uh and honestly that is emotional because it's like, he has been such a constant for so many people. And I do think, you know, I think in the late night conversation, he does get a little bit lost because I think in terms of whenever, whenever one talks about like late night legends,

it feels like only, only like comedians will talk about Conan. I think maybe because, you know, it got a little weird there with like his his representation in late night with The Tonight Show of it all. But that man is and he is a singular icon. And I mean, like talk about one of the best interviewers. I mean, oh, my God. Also, you'll hear like many, many celebrities coming out now or notable people that have been out. They will. They're all coming out of the woodwork right now saying that my favorite interview was the one i did with conan o'brien

yes or i never felt taken care of comedically like i did with conan o'brien or i never felt like i could actually go out there and be do a real bit like or or honestly conan o'brien like some interviews that he did like made people's careers in ways i mean aubrey plaza like on conan o'brien is like is like a it's like a comedic touchstone for some people yeah you know what i mean like he made people feel like their funniest self and that is a skill and that is a talent and that is a that is a gift and to to in order to be someone too randomly absolutely those interviews i was like oh that guy bo like wow and like it was like pure like conan like setting him up for like to shine i'm sorry no i mean i think i think it's very real

you did not cut me off at all i mean i think that this this is someone who means something to so many and means some something to you and so like that's a part of this podcast babe i mean is like you like like letting letting everyone know that Conan, Conan is one of my culture is like moments that made me say culture is for me. 1000% down, like Conan, like fucking shaped,

like the way I relate it to comedy. Cause I was like, Oh my God, who is that writer? That's Miriam Tolan. That's Brian. I was like, I was like getting granular about this,

about comedy and about, and about how comedy is made. Like that is huge. Like I was never curious about it until Conan. I'm sorry. I'm crying. Oh my God. I'm crying.

It's fine to cry. Oh my God. You know what's funny too? Like the person that makes me cry is obviously Kelly. And one of my favorite things she ever did earlier in her career was when she was on Conan. And she sat down in the chair and she turned to the audience and she goes, this is my favorite show, you guys. And I was like, I love her because I believe it.

And then they had an interview that was so fun and good and I could just tell she felt comfortable. Like this is when I was watching everything she ever did, like downloading it, truly like a little sad little fact. Like I was like, I need to download everything on my computer computer but i remember her interview with him like made me so happy i think i watched it thousands of times but i get it because he made people feel good he made you feel good and i honestly like to see him really like really get his flowers in this last week like um as people like say goodbye to the show or as it is now anyway or him as he's been

on television pretty much our entire developmental life you know what i mean like was really special was really special was very cool anyway and um i i mean that space oh my god of course i mean intersection of smart and stupid like that is is like, oh, that's like, that is like perfect. That is like every, anytime I laugh at something you say, it's because you know how,

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. We could sit here and we could actually like do a followup on our Brittany episode and fucking say, like say something about that. Or we could start.

I don't think so, honey, because mine has to do with that. Let's just I think the I don't think so, honey, will sort of jumpstart the conversation. So I am actually very happy with that. OK, OK. That means that we on this episode, everyone readers, we are moving into I don't think so, honey, right now, which is our one minute segment where we take something in the pop culture and we just you know we let it know the way we feel about it currently and sort of there's been a lot of i don't think so honey energy in this episode and you know you can count on that when the sister and i get together after a harsh long hard weekend um but uh i have something to say about this.

Yeah, and I would really trust, I want your take on this more than anybody's. I really do. So this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey, and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, Jamie Lynn Spears. You need to shut the fuck up. I don't care what you have to say,

because where the fuck have you been? If you are in her life just as her sister, which you you are now like i'm not part of her team i'm just part of her life as her sister and i want what's best for britney then what where the fuck have you been because if she's now saying that she's basically lived as like what she describes as like a slave basically in a situation she compares to sex trafficking and you're in it just for your sister, then where the fuck have you been? I don't trust you at all. At all.

And I don't trust the entire family. And notice that Brittany said, my entire family did nothing. She didn't leave you out of it. And last I checked, she doesn't have another sister. And you publicly are someone that we associate with her and you're lucky for that so i don't trust you at all i don't think so honey and you need to shut up unless you have something real to say that's what i have to say about that because hearing what britney spears had to say for herself

broke my heart in half and in half again and it's just so fucked up that this person has been so afraid and has felt so like closeted and restricted and tamped down that she had to publicly get on on her instagram with what i assume had to be like at least a metaphorical gun to her fucking head to say that she's the happiest she's ever been and now the second she gets some freedom she says that she cries every day that she feels like she's so angry it's insane that she has an iud that she won't she won't take out of her body because she's not allowed to because of her conservatorship where the fuck have you been as her sister as someone who you claim is only involved in her life in a sisterly capacity

that's not how sisterhood works that that only when someone steps up and says how much pain they're in can you also speak to that pain no it's your job it's your job to be there for her if that's what you say you're there for where the fuck have you been i don't trust this girl at all. She was so clear about it being her entire family. That whole statement was so thorough that she, it is no mistake that she said, my entire family should take full responsibility for,

or they have inflicted this upon her, you know? It's like, I don't know if this was the way that you sort of consumed the story, but like I read the text of the statement the day that it came out and I was just like, holy shit. And then did not know that the audio was available. And so then I listened to that the next day

and I was like, I truly, my blood went cold. I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, my blood went cold. I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, it's obviously someone who has been abused for years. The lithium thing is the most, I mean, besides the IUD, besides like Jamie Spears overall, I'm like the lithium thing because she refused to, like, do a dance move, is fucking crazy. And first of all, it's like, it's so funny to assume that anyone in that room is going to know better about, like, what dance move to do than her, that her punishment for a disagreement or a difference of opinion is that she gets put on lithium,

which could have, and I don't know, maybe did fuck her up forever. Like, this is so fucked up you've got someone begging for their life and there's still a conversation about whether or not something's gonna happen we need to seriously this is one of those moments where as a society we need to fucking zoom out because if you zoom out for a second this is crazy it is a human rights issue and if there's conservatorships out there that are this abusive which she says that there are and I believe her

100% that the people involved in them and that are victims of them do not have a platform like this then I feel really fucking embarrassed and ashamed that we have a legal system that can't do anything about this like it's just this is crazy

this is I care a lot it's like this whole system of conservatorships is only designed to exploit people yeah and look I'm doing my I don't think so honey based on Jamie Lynn Spears because I don't know something just

something like about her using her sisterhood with her as like and you could never understand so back off it's like no girl where have you been where have you been we can understand it on some level on a deep ish level because we've heard firsthand from britney it's like what are you talking about? We don't understand. Brittany has Brittany has related none of that to you except for say except by saying my family has fucking destroyed me.

That is the clearest possible expression of her relationship to you as a sister. Right. And she was also pretty in this. It was a pretty long statement and she was pretty specific. I'm pretty sure if she really wanted to exonerate you, she may have. And also not for nothing nothing but when the most when the most compassionate statement of the week is from christina aguilera it's like what the fuck is going on like yeah i don't trust this family at all obviously anyone that listens to that statement or read the statement or is

invested in this story at all knows it's messed up it's just crazy to me that i'm watching the news coverage and there's still like a discussion about what's going to happen because of this legal system you have someone begging for their life and it's just like well i don't understand the um yeah i mean i don't i don't fully have the best legal understanding of this obviously but like the statement is so explosive that like the judge has to at least like push for some investigative like close investigative effort here to make sure that like to see to see it to verify these claims and then from there it's like no fucking way do you like side with the family there's i mean also like just the fact of the

matter being that he makes money off of her she's none of it she works she works and then makes money that they that goes in their bank account based on her efforts and her image and her brand and then they were able to make decisions for her it It doesn't make sense. Jamie's a fucking deadbeat who like couldn't fucking hack it as like some, like, I don't know what even he did. Like, I don't know from the documentary, like what he's,

she was just trying to like do some grift somewhere. And then he like came back as soon as Brittany's career was popping off. And then it's like, that is, it's so pathetic. Oh my God. Wait, did you watch Wendy Williams?

I sent you that clip of Wendy Williams, right? I just heard her talking about this, whole situation and then she goes shame on you jamie jamie and lynn spears shame on you she goes death to them all and only death to all of them only when everyone can call for death and no one bats an eye. No, and then the audience is like, oh. And then Wendy realizes in that split second that she's gone too far and then she makes a face like, oh.

She's like, yeah, I said that. And there's like, yeah. Death to them all. Title of ep. Well, it's very... Someone on Twitter pointed this out. I've been tagged Lost Culture East. It's very Aaron Jackson energy on Lost Culture. It's very someone out someone on twitter pointed this out uh and then tagged lost culture east it's like it's very aaron jackson energy on lost culture

it's very it's very kill them all i did see them i did see this tag and i didn't watch the video you have to you have to watch it now hold on i'm sending you the link you have i want to get your real-time reaction okay okay okay i'm watching rehab that her father forced her into was a rehab where they knew the paparazzi was there every day. How dare you, Mr. Spears? You had me fooled. And you too, Mrs. Spears. Death to all of them. Wendy!

Wendy! Death to all of them. Wow. Thank you, Wendy. Honestly, thank you. That's the title of them. Wow. Thank you, Wendy. Honestly, thank you. That's the title of that. Death! Exclamation point.

To all of them. To all of them. Period. Honestly, that is... It's the only levity we need in the whole situation. That's why... Wendy Williams calling for Jamie and Lynn Spears to be killed. That is why Wendy will always be

number one. Because she can do that and then just look at the audience like, y'all know I'm playing. But also, like, not really. Death to all of them. How dare you, Mr. Spears. And you too, Mrs. Spears. And you too, Mrs. Spears. Death!

Death to all of them. That really is Aaron. Kill them all. Oh my god, I killed them all okay wow that was that one is crying again but this time for joy this time for joy oh my god but i just i i would feel remiss if we didn't revisit our our britney episode with this because because honestly when she came out and said the documentary really made me sad and i wish everyone would stop talking about me i almost felt badly about doing that episode because i was like maybe we are talking about someone that like you know we don't really know what the situation is maybe she didn't speak to it but no you know what sometimes a spade is a full fucking spade The woman is like, like, like indentured. It's crazy. I just, yeah, I, I, uh, I can only like follow the story as it keeps developing because it's just like, if I spend too much time thinking about like what her like life has been, I

just, I can't, it would just destroy me. I can't do it. It's just, which is, which is not, which is not my way of like ignoring the story. Obviously it's just like, this is so,

um, this is one of the great tragedies of show business. I think one of the, and as far as like an individual story goes, like this is, this is among the most tragic stories of like, of like a performer, someone who like, all they wanted to do was entertain being brought down so low that like, we as a society have to like, think about how we have thought about them over the years, how,

what we can do to help. Like, I, it's, it's, it's truly i works i mean i think everyone understands that we are living that we're we're observed we're watching something play out that is like fucking that is like really really like a huge story i i'm not saying anything it's immoral to me it feels it feels like the same like kind of cultural conversation we should be having when we were talking about about like you know, like fucking, I don't know anything having to do with Michael Jackson, you know,

it's like, this is like, this is something like that has like such a, such a sadness to it that we are, that we have to like confront what that means in our like, you know, celebrity media diets anyway. Absolutely.

I mean, it was, it was surreal to hear. And obviously, hashtag Free Britney as always. And I will say, in Game Show last week, which by the way, if anyone came out to Game Show last week and is coming this Friday, it's been so exciting to perform again. But the boys' lips sank to Stronger by Britney. And I was just like this woman

has given us so fucking much like i mean she's just that song is just so rousing and like i was just there's just so many millions of people across the world that support her and want her to live a free life like it's just anyway um do you have something for... I don't think so, honey, this week. I do. I do. Well, that's good to hear. So, everyone, this on the episode, death to them all. Death to all of them.

To all of them. That's what it is. Death to all of them. To all of them. This is... This... We laughed, we cried. This is Bone Yang's...

Not for nothing. I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Ice at parties. Why are you always running out? Why is it always bring ice? Oh my God, we're out of ice.

Bring ice. And yet... And yet we all... It is a truth universally acknowledged that if you buy ice no matter how much ice you buy for a party no matter what size you're gonna run out of it what is going on there

what is the witchcraft that is happening was it Agatha all along probably because the ice keeps disappearing and I swear to God I bought five bags of ice from the grocery store to make sure that all of my guests' drinks this weekend at my house party were cooled and chilled to their satisfaction. And no, and still, to no avail, even with an hour left for the party to go, my guests had to mix drinks with no ice in them.

And I wept. And I wept for their experience, because I'm a better host than that, and Ice, you will not make me a fool of a host. That's one minute. Why does Ice always run out of parties? It's because, well, first of all, there's many elements.

It famously melts. And so many people want it. No, it's not even that. It's not even that it melts it's that no matter how many it's that it goes away i was being facetious it goes away i know i know i know i know so so listen when when so many people want to drink they're gonna want ice for that and so you'd say you know you got a bunch of people at this party and everyone wants a drink even if it's not alcoholic you're needing gonna need to put ice in your drink in fact even more even more everyone needs ice all around especially especially in on a hot day like that day and i

will say this like that day i've never i love the city of new york i love the city of new york no i know i have never been more sure that i made the right decision and this is boring but i'm telling you i came back to la because i have to do a job made the right decision, and this is boring. But I'm telling you, I came back to LA because I have to do a job this week. I'm like, yeah, this is where I live, and fucking thank God. The heat is bad. The humidity is bad. It is dark. It is dark-sided.

And that's why ice disappears. That's true. We pray for the Pacific Northwest right now, which is going through an insane heat wave. I lift my hands and pray. Mandy Moore, walk to remember. I lift my hands and pray.

To be only yours. And I will say this. To be only yours, I know now you're my only hope. That bridge. I would say this. One of the best songs

of all time. One of the most beautiful women of all time. One of the great films you talking about how stressed you are like sort of getting people on lists for parties and getting tickets for parties full on

hosted like a big party at your apartment I'm saying I did too much you did too much and so you know what Bowen boundaries boundaries for next time I said next year maybe you don't even do pride take yourself on a fucking vacation I'll go with you I'm not I'm i'm doing that i i'm like i'm talking to like people who like have just gone on trips like queer people who are like oh no i just i went i went away i'm like yeah yeah you did the right thing yeah because there's no fomo there's no fomo if you're on

vacation if you're like on a fucking beach it's actually real culture number 103 there's no FOMO if you're on a vacation and you're like on a fucking beach it's true absolutely so yeah that's what we're doing next year and anyway I just thank you readers for listening to this whole episode

Matt and I were working through things in real time our emotions our little post-mortem as they call it, about pride. I cried about, you know, a straight white man who has happened to be very influential to my life. Some of them are good. Some of them are good. Conan's one of the best ones, I gotta say. Conan's one of the best ones.

We talked about Britney. We talked about Drag Race um we talked about britney we talked about drag race we talked about what we what you said we would talk about actually was the new doja cat album and we did not talk about that but quick thoughts quick thoughts is okay just in my thoughts in a nutshell doja i think with this album is officially like she's going for rihanna status and what i mean by that is she's going to be like occupying that niche that Rihanna occupy which is I will come out with pop hits an album wall-to-wall of pop hits like every year like I do think that Doja like is is feeling herself right now where it's like that last album had all bangers this album has album has all bangers and we will be seeing

her live performances on every um music show because you know she can deliver that i think doja is here for ubiquity and i think that like wall to wall this is great i think she is the maybe like in the in one of the premier pop girls right now yeah and i love her problematic ass she is she's kind of like creating the new a new pop persona of like we know her to be chaotic but someone who is like and this is maybe similar to rihanna like i don't fucking i don't give a fuck i don't care uncancellable you say i'm canceled i say i'm not and so um there's i don't know i just think this is a very i mean this is an album where I think the statement is I can do it all because I think Hot Pink her last like full like studio album

release was like this is me like giving you Dr. Luke like bops and this time I think he's only on three he's only on the first three singles he's only on Kiss Me More and Need to Know and oh that one with The Weekend I don't know what it's called um you're right you're right you're right yeah

um but the rest of the album which i think and i think there's some great fucking songs on it oh get into it yeah get into it yeah i i don't do drugs love to dream is so beautiful love to dream is a gorgeous song ain't shit it's so good no like she's here to stay and like, we can all, I think, but I think this is what we need to come to as, like, as a community and as a culture. Like, it's okay to say she is fucking nuts and that, like, her past is, like, very checkered and questionable. That is not, like, that is not, that is not, like, a contentious point. That is a moot point, fact as they call it like it is it is part of her like persona now that she is like all over the damn place and like that is maybe like the value that's the appeal that's whatever but like the work stands for itself in a way like the work is good um anyway uh i also think this is an interesting

conversation that we might need to like unpack later on but like the new Tyler the Creator album excellent it's also Josh and I were talking about this Josh Sharper and I were talking about this where it's like Tyler is such an interesting person to talk about in terms of like who owns homophobia right it's like he was on Goblin

like saying faggot faggot faggot like got Eminem kind of like teased it out of Eminem again to call him a faggot faggot like got eminem like like like kind of like teased it out of eminem again to call him a faggot and like then like kind of brushed it off like tyler is someone who would and then like and then like the ultimate gag was surprise i'm gay too like what absolves what does it absolve anything who gets to like be homophobic now it's like really interesting i think i think i think tyler is like a really interesting study and like what what like a popular artist can do not can do but like how they how they like occupy their queerness can they like because like part of the reason why i think tyler is successful is because he's been able to navigate the industry as someone who has not announced that

he was queer but then kind of like come out, like once he was established, it's so interesting. I was, I, I see him as such an, such a, such a great artist, but someone who is like,

kind of like in the way that like we think about Doja, like, but wait, like, did you like bypass a lot of stuff or not bypass a lot of stuff, but like, are you like letting things slide off like in a way that is like confusing to people like are we confused and is that helpful or is that

hurtful i don't know there's just a lot there they have to follow up on this one but you also but you know matt and anyone our readers if you partake um just like smoke a bowl or honestly drink a tea listen to it it's got jazzy louy. It's like Igor, but less of a through line. It's so good. You would love it, Matt, I think. I mean, that and also, before we go, I just wanted to briefly touch on Lil Nas X's performance at the BET Awards. I mean, talk about breaking new fucking ground.

And also the trailer for his album being a Marvel rip. I loved it. I loved it. And I was also like, you know what? Like in such a short time, he's amassed all these like images and clips that can come together. And this like thing that the entire MCU can like do as well.

And it's like, he's, he's saying like, I'm this big and I'm doing this on this stage. And that was like, I would be nervous to do, to do what he did on that stage in private. Sometimes,

you know what I mean? Like talk about like announcing yourself. And then I've loved the way he's responded to like, ha ha. LOL. By the way, fuck you. Criticism.

Like by him being like, yeah, you know what? I'm living myself out on stage and finding myself out on stage because you actually like as a society never allowed me to, to, to do this. And like,

I'm finding it. And because y'all are too afraid saeed jones had an amazing tweet about this oh i read that one yeah yeah yeah i mean just like i just i'm loving it i'm loving it and it's like anyway it sort of calls back to what we're talking about before it's like no actually fuck you i'm gonna enjoy myself and do this the way that i know how from the heart first out and like from the loins forward it's so it's so like

wait can I okay I'm gonna share I'm gonna share with the readers my little encounter story okay okay and I told you this right I'll recognize it immediately once you start talking about it season finale after party like he like he like I like he comes we go up to each other after party, like, he, like, he, like, I, like, he comes,

we go up to each other. Mm-hmm. And then he's like, he's like, hey, like, I can tell you have good energy. Because we had,

like, because we had, like, because we had, like, worked with, because we had, like,

done, like, the Pride song thing. And, like, I, like, I was, like,

when I was, like, in the booth with him, like, when he was recording his verse, he's like, I can tell you have good energy. And I was like,

you do too. And then I, and then I said to him, I was like, and, and by the way, I was like you do too and then I said to him I was like and by the way I was like I've never said something like this but I'm really glad the kids have you and he looked at me and he like smiled and nodded and then he was like whatever

and then he was like let me give you my number and then he texted me happy pride out of nowhere one day like three weeks ago and I was like happy pride Mon out of nowhere one day, like, three weeks ago. And I was like, happy pride, Montero. I was such a little, like, fucking fan. I was like, happy pride. I was just like, this person is really fucking smashing shit down in a way that is perfect.

And he knows what it's about. He knows where it's coming from. He knows what he's doing. Why people are reacting the way they're reacting. And why it's okay that they're reacting. And why it has nothing to do with him. He's like, it has everything to do

with why, with you guys hating each other, like hating yourselves all just because I fucking kissed a dude, you know? And you're still talking about me giving Satan

a lap dance because you're like fucking, you have no like mooring in your own lives and your own spirituality and your own belief system to like understand why you're mad.

Like that's, it's beautiful i love it and ultimately maybe everything we've said we should just take back in pride was excellent after all because that got to take place i agree that would that was worth i mean lenoz x doing that made my pride bottom outs all worth it all worth it um and listen here's what i'll say i love you boning and ultimately like i'm coming back on the first and i know you'll be you'll be leaving shortly after that but i'm excited to see you for a few days and i'm happy i got to see you and be there with you for pride and i'm proud of you it was the great joy of my year to see you and spend that time with you

and we'll have more time soon and you better stay tuned readers because there is some good stuff coming and some gay stuff coming if you can believe that but for now at the top of my lungs

I'm giving it back. So I lay my head back to the ground. And I lift my hands and then pray to be only yours I pray to be only yours I pray to be only yours I know now you're my only hope Wow, the fact that we ended it with that song. Huge.

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