Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Die Zauberflöte (He Makes Us Sing)" (w/ Henry Koperski)

Episode Date: January 13, 2017

UH HUH. THAT’S RIGHT. DA-DING DONG, HONEYS. Your Culturistas are BACK and they're spreading the GOSPEL OF CULTURE in the NEW YEAR! Joined by the incomparable Henry Koperski (@HenryKoperski), your hosts swan dive right into the cultural and political events of the week. Topics include Henry meeting Michelle Obama, thoughts on how to maintain your sanity amidst the current political shitstorm, Bullet Journaling, Norbit vs. The Klumps, Janet Jackson, Timeless Culture Stoppers, and much much more.LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jagamofino, anane. Jagamofino, anane. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling! Hello, fools! Hello, fools. Hello, fools. You foolishly, but thankfully, turned in to another episode of Las Culturistas. You've turned in. Yes, you've turned in. And guys, we are classically back from another hiatus.

But this time we have episodes. We're recording enough ahead of time to sort of spread out throughout the weeks ahead. We took to Gmail and scheduled three dates. Okay? Yes, three dates. We're going to condense the recordings, but we're going to spread out the releases. But this is the thing, Matt, and I don't know how you feel about this. What if by the time an episode comes out that's been recorded pre-recorded, will that lose any sort of relevance?

Unless we explicitly state in the episode this was recorded on this date you know i feel like we're actually okay i feel like then it's not going to be too too far apart i mean i understand your your concern to want to be as prescient no i'm just saying like the culture we live in now culture it's rapidly changing exactly if you think two days ago was a huge news day and now we feel i feel so far removed from it you know what i'm saying yes absolutely well you know what on culture recess we keep it we keep it um a little bit timeless but we keep it but it's also timeless yes absolutely every episode truly exists as its own um in a vacuum as its own piece yeah and i think that's what's so great about it i think whenever i talk to somebody that's a listener of Las Culturistas,

they say, I really enjoyed this piece. Someone said to me once, that episode of Las Culturistas could have been recorded in the 1800s. Yeah, exactly. Guys, we have such an incredible guest with us today. Really, I think, maybe I'm biased, but my favorite guest. Oh, you know what? You might be biased, but I might be biased in saying he's

one of my favorite people in my life. Absolutely, I would agree. Yes. And the credits. Oh, come on! First, let us say, A Little Night Music at UCB East is coming up. The date is January 20th. January 20th.

Ooh, girl. The day of all days. The day of all days, but girl, you and I have done this show before. It's a fantastic show. So fun, and I really think that it's one of the best shows at the Beast. I agree. I just think it's so fun. You get to see UCB comedians singing and expressing themselves

through music. Music heightens every emotion, as they say. Music heightens every emotion, as they say. Oh, he plays piano and accompanies musically for so many shows in the city. I've seen him, just off the top of my head, play for Three Basie Divers at Carnegie Hall, play for Patty Harrison at Ars Nova, play for so many shows. He is just such a fixture, such an important figure in the community.

Everywhere. And by everywhere, I also mean you might have recognized him from Live From Everywhere. Yes. Which was a show hosted by Arthur Meyer,

aired on Facebook Live. It was amazing. I thought it was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Very, very cool. He considers his number one achievement to be meeting Julie Andrews, which is very interesting

in light of recent events. Yes. And who knows where this new milestone will stack up to the rest. Internet fame? Virality? Yes, girl. Yes, God. I agree.

Guys, please welcome our guest, Henry Kapurski. Hi. Good unison. Yes. Oh, yes. Well, we've had many years to practice. In fact, sometimes we don't even mean to be in unison Yes, well we've had many years to practice In fact, sometimes we don't even mean to be in unison Exactly, I just, whenever I'm around Matt

I pitch up My timbre just matches his I always know something's gonna end In a high place Yeah That is your thing How are you? I'm great, and I'm really, truly so happy to be here.

This is one of my favorite podcasts. I would say top three. What? And I know that I love both of you IRL a lot, but it doesn't take part in why I love this podcast. But how many podcasts do you listen to? At least six regularly. Yeah, seriously? And then maybe 10 semi-regularly.

See? Matt is really behind the curve on podcasts. I don't listen to them because I feel as if, and actually whenever anyone says that they listen to this one, I'm always like, geez, Louise, like I love you to death because like it is a sit to listen to a podcast. Absolutely. Yeah. But you know, when you're cooking in your kitchen or riding the subway or I need to get more into writing, listening to them on the subway yeah whenever someone references something that happened that

i know happened the very end of a lost cult dresdus episode i'm like that means you sat through the entire episode wild and remembered something enough to refer to like regurgitate it back to me it's it's why i truly think they're all thrilling start to finish. Even with guests that I didn't know or are not on my radar at all. And now I'm fans of everyone that's been on the show. Those are some of his favorite episodes, he tells me. Which ones? The ones that he didn't know. He really enjoyed the one with Nicole Conlon. Yeah, I've never met her and I loved her episode. It was about sports. I hate sports. We hate sports. We hate it. yeah um oh my god

that's that's so that's so wonderful to hear um what was i gonna say well i just want to say we scoop the scoop this week because we are the first to interview henry kapurski after he met michelle obama on tv just i mean we're filming this on Thursday. It was yesterday, but when you guys listen to it, it'll be two days ago. Oh, my God. You met Michelle Obama. You met Michelle Obama. Henry, describe this to the listeners. What happened?

Like, how were you contacted? What was the day like? If you're allowed to divulge this. I think so. My friend, Arthur, who I did the Comedy Central pilot with, he is like a writer at Jimmy Fallon's Tonight Show. It's never been said that way before. Jimmy Fallon's Tonight Show. Right. I think he's like the writing supervisor. He's been with them for a long time. He's an amazing person that I love dearly and has given me some awesome opportunities. Sweetheart. And is, yeah, just so, so nice. And he texted me the day before

the show and was like, you like Michelle Obama, right? And I was like, yeah, I love her. And I sent him screenshots of things I've said about her on social media and stuff. And he was like, are you free tomorrow morning to film this silly segment where you just talk to a portrait of her and thank her? And then we're going to show the footage to her later on the show and she'll get choked up, hopefully. And I was like, oh, yeah, of course. And I wrote a message that night after watching

obama's incredible farewell speech yeah which the motion most emotional part was when he cuttings up michelle oh my god yeah it was waterworks um and uh oh lost my train of thought oh yeah i wrote a message and i got to the studio and I met, um, there was 12 of us that got this opportunity and I was talking to other people and I felt like the message I wrote wasn't like specific enough to me. It was like too general. It was just like saying how great she is. And I was like, I got to write something else. And minutes before I went in, I got inspired. I was like, truly like, what does Michelle mean to me? Really? Yeah. And I just like spit it out on my iPod or iPhone and then like set it to

myself a bunch in my head. And I walked in the room and dear Arthur was there standing and he directed me to the portrait and I nailed it. I said it so perfectly and I was so happy with my delivery. Cause I usually stumble in live performances, trying to get better about that in 2017. And yes. And so I was just like happy that's actually rule number 18 of culture you do not stumble in a live performance

in culture no yeah um so anyway you nailed it i nailed it and i just felt so good and was like ready to like turn around be like okay got it and then she walks out from behind the curtain and i I truly started hyperventilating. I was like, you didn't think there was any chance that she was there. No. I mean, in like the back of my head, I was like, wouldn't it be crazy if there, if she's actually going to be there. And we had to go through the secret service to get into 30 rock and stuff. So I was like, but they're probably just there all day when like the first lady comes. Um, so I just put it out of my mind because i was like

this is just an incredible opportunity anyways oh my god um yeah she walked through and i started hyperventilating and i can't even remember until i saw the show air i couldn't even remember what she was wearing because all i saw was her face and like beams of light coming oh my god like it like she was like the virgin mary just like i'm making hand motions that you can't see like yes you know like a halo kind of yes an angel on this earth yeah she truly is an angel and she has this presence okay i've said this before out loud to people when i saw a little night music the sondheim musical with bernadette and elaine stritch when bernadette enters the makes her first entrance

the air gets sucked out of the room oh my god like she has that special presence we're just like oh my god you truly are a star it yeah and that same thing with michelle obama like and you know i was the third person to go and i even the camera people you could tell every time she walks in i bet they're all just like because she's that incredible she's so her heart is so golden and pure and i truly believe like she's not like putting on a show at all like that is her down to her core and i oh my god it was so beautiful and i can't even remember what she was saying to me it's all blur the main question people are asking me is what did she smell like i have no idea idea. Yes. I can't remember at all. That's okay. I have no idea. I mean, watching you react to it,

I have got to be honest, I have cried for many reasons over the past 24 hours for many times. But every single time I watch it, like today, he came in the door from wherever you were coming from

and I was truly crying because I watched it again and i was like this is such a special moment and i have to say it is very bitter it's oh absolutely but that moment i i just have to say like yes there there's something about the sentiment that's being expressed by all these people yeah it's real and and just her presence and so yeah I watched again this morning with Doug, our friend Doug, and he hadn't watched it up until that moment, and he was just like, he started laughing uncontrollably

about how amazing this was. And I was like, isn't this incredible? It's insane. Yeah. Like, no, I can't think of a public figure that has that effect on people. And to meet her this week. Oh, my God.

You know what I mean? Like, that was such, it was such a good, I mean, kudos to the Tonight Show for this. Like, it was, it would have healed my soul even if Henry wasn't in it. Oh, sure. But the fact that, like, you were, that was just such a special gift. I want to say, like, the other people that got that opportunity were such incredible people like many of them were like women that started their own company who said they were inspired by michelle like we all like talked beforehand or one like started

this scholarship that helps young women of color like uh find the right college. And so like, there was a dad that was really sweet. Yeah. Yeah. And I felt so, I, I truly, I'm so grateful that it happened, but I don't think I deserved it. You absolutely deserve it. And I'm not, and I'm not looking for that reaction either.

I'm not looking for that reaction. I really like, like I, I didn't, I did not know I was going to meet her and I thought it was just me. A fun thing. If I did, I would,

I maybe would have recommended a friend no I have there's like 20 people I think deserve to experience that more than me

he so often doesn't realize how special he is this is Michelle and you really don't this is very Michelle Obama like of him to do yeah and it's

it's very humble of you to do this but I have to say this was chicken soup for the soul yes for everybody that knows you it was you

because because we're so happy knows it was you because because we're so happy that it was you because you make every space that you're in so much better and so much warmer and what i always say about henry and oh my god emotional as i say this come on let's cry he really he makes everybody sing yes yes that is, my God. And just to see everyone in these new spaces, like, I just think you are such a gift to this community. I really do. Like, over the past, you know, two years that I think you've really been involved in it, you really have just – you've changed – You've changed people, Henry, okay? You've changed the whole game. another reason why I really want everybody to support a little night music

because this is, it puts these really kind of figures at UCB and comedic figures that we kind of look up to and it puts them in a vulnerable place. And I think that's why Shannon O'Neill is so behind the show. And I think it's why the show keeps going because you allow people a new experience. And what we don't realize as artists is that we crave that. And you provide that for everybody.

And I think that's such a special, unique thing that you do. And you are so special. And you deserve this opportunity more than anybody that I know. I count myself so lucky to obviously share what we have together. But you just, I couldn't think of a better person. Yes. together, but you just, I couldn't think of a better person. Yes. Well,

thank you. And everybody agrees. Everybody agrees. Everybody. We're not the first people to say this. People said this on social media. I, it just,

the minute you came, I watched this live at home. I was like, I'm not missing this. I want to see this as it happens. Yeah. I was just lying on my couch, just watching it.

I was like, Oh, Jimmy Fallon's on TV. Okay, cool. Um, and then this happened. And the minute you came on screen henry just chills and i texted you afterwards like i'm shaking i'm shaking it just you just brought pure joy to that to that moment and pure genuine appreciation and joy and that is something that I think that we're going to have to really, oh my God, as I start crying,

really remember over the next, however long this continues to go on, because that is something that is like really missing. Yep. And I just think that we really could learn something from people like Henry who, you know, like find a way to keep going and keep bringing joy to the world. And I really just want everyone to remember that, you know, like, find a way to keep going and keep bringing joy

to the world. And I really just want everyone to remember that, you know, like, with social media and, you know, I get that everyone's very fired up and very upset. Like, just remember that, like, there's still a lot of good in the world. There's still a lot of reasons to be happy. And there's, it's not over. It's not over. Until we, until we give up, up you know and let's just not

give up and let's keep filling the world with positivity because at the end of the day like that's all we have because it could it could be bleak it's not only just positivity it's humanity and that's it's it's and that's what a we will have to like struggle harder and harder to access and b is what like michelle and henry just exude i definitely do not deserve to be no yes you are definitely are a light and so is she and we're blessed so i'll just you go ahead and use the word bless why the fuck not come for me come for me people who don't want me to say blessed. I don't give a fuck. Judeo-Christian language. I don't approve. I'm coming for you later on, honey. Yes, come for me.

I just think let's just give a shot. When you step out into the world, just do something that's going to be nice for someone else. Do something that's going to be positive for someone else. Because it really makes a huge difference. Okay, this is huge. Matt, thank you for saying that.

Because in my bullet journal this year, everyone, if you're... Bullet journaling, a new trend. If you're on the bullet journal craze, let me know. I'm loving it. Nothing has stuck with me like this in a while. Bullet journaling, a new trend. If you're on the bullet journal craze, let me know. I'm loving it. Nothing has stuck with me like this in a while. Wow.

So hopefully I encourage you all to just Google bullet journaling. Yes. Explain bullet journaling. Oh, my God. Float away from us. Honey. I don't even know what it is. Here we go. So about last year, this just like douchebag of a man.

But actually, no. He's a good person. He released this video called bullet, like how, how to bullet journal. Is it Tim Ferriss? It's not Tim Ferriss. It's not Tim Ferriss, but he's like also, yeah, like same kind of douchey person, but means well as like chaotic good. So anyway, um, so this guy puts out this video about how to bullet journal, which is just basically a system of, A, planning, B, like, logging your day, C, like, planning.

I already said planning, but, like, C, like, just sort of organizing your thoughts. Because I used to just write notebooks and, like, scribble nonsense, and I would never refer back to it or never flip back through my pages and be like, what did I write this day? Like, never had to refer back to it because I never wanted to because it was never built into that system of just. So it's a way to organize your journal? So it's just like a nonlinear way. So it's like you set up, you have to number every page of a blank notebook as you go. Not like you sit down one day and just number every single blank page.

But as you keep going forward, you number every page. But there's a table of contents that you refer back to and as it's like as you're going through this you basically like just go back to like let's say like i'm i have a page that has all my days on it and like on a daily log of what i'm trying to do like oh like pick up you know dry cleaning or do do all this stuff but then on the next page i'm like all of a sudden i want to write about um like books i want to read yeah like a list of books i want to read i'll just go to the next page, I'm like, all of a sudden I want to write about books I want to read. I'll just go to the next page, write a list, look at the number page that is, go back to my table of contents, write down in there books I want to read, page 12. So it's actually built in for you to refer back to this and refer back to what you write, which is

brilliant. But the lifestyle blog community, Pinterest, washi tape, vlogger, fuckfest of the internet has caught wind of this and totally bastardized it. Yeah, I get it. Their calligraphy and their like colorful pants. And like, not to diss that, but it's like, if you're into that, great. But the system was designed to be super simple and minimalistic. Anyway, Matt was just talking about putting positivity into the world as inspired by this video of Henry meeting Michelle Obama. In my bullet journal, I have a habit

tracker where every day I wrote down like, it's like every day, like drink this much water. Like, you know, wake up by this time of day, call my parents. But then one of my line items was resist, which was like call my senators or like sign a petition or do something activist-y. But then I think what the missing piece, the thing that has to balance that out – like I felt good doing that.

And I really am on this high of like being sort of a polite asshole to my senators and my congresspeople. But the thing to balance that out has to be like doing something good for like a random person you know you know what so that's something good for a random person doing something nice for yourself yourself for a friend just like don't forget to take care of yourself i think a lot of us are in shock right now i think a lot of people are dealing with it in all sorts of different ways and who's to say what the right way to deal with this is because i think we are right now i think a lot of us are feeling a sort of grief um a sort of embarrassment some of us i think are feeling a sort of like nostalgia i remember i thought i thought about myself at 18 years old dancing around union square come on um yes we canning

um and i felt sad and that just that shouldn't have to be a sad memory. You know what I mean? Like, man, it's just so hard. So I think, like, yeah, it's okay to, like... Be angry. Be angry. But also just remember, like, there's things you can do to make yourself happy. Make yourself a tea.

You know? Like, go for a run. Like, it made me feel... It's making me really feel good we just moved into a new apartment it's making me feel really good to keep it super clean like that like just i think like you can you can take action and also take that second like take care of yourself because i i know i'm right on the edge of going insane yeah yeah yeah i get last night i had dinner with my parents and I cried to

them because I think I'm going to delete my Facebook because I just can't do it anymore. Do whatever you need to. I think I might have to delete it. Come on, I'll support you. Because it's making me crazy. Yeah, I feel a little nuts. Do you guys ever feel like this? We've been talking about it

a lot, Henry and I. Yes. What do you think? Constantly. Yeah, I think it's both the good things about facebook and the bad things about facebook are stuff you don't need like even when there are positive things happening you can find even better versions of that in real life or also or good things that are also productive and i don't know i i'm thinking about a lot too i just my main i can't get rid of it because i just think about like promotion things yeah but you know what and i spoke to a friend last night that um was texting with a friend that dropped facebook and isn't on it and she was telling me you know you use twitter and instagram for those things you don't have to

not use social media or you could just kind of like uh okay you know you could just um you could just kind of uh you know get everyone's emails and send those emails things that everyone does also just make an honest effort to see people outside of social media what kills me what kills me is when people that i met and fell in love with for their talent and for who they were as human beings now just become a little square to me. And a scary Facebook persona. Or like a weak Facebook persona. Or a funny, non-serious Facebook persona. And we're branding each other.

You know what I mean? And it's not natural. You don't need this thing to survive and think about it you think about like oh you know like i use it my way whatever like i'm not beholden to anything i don't owe anyone anything we all every day log on to the same website that there's something weird about that like and i don't know it's just it's gotten to a place now where I feel like you must question it. Or at least if you're feeling like I am, where you're feeling a little insane, you must question it. And I do think a lot of this has to do with the fact that I will go ahead and totally admit that I have an addiction to it.

I am addicted to Facebook. And it's making me crazy. I mean I had to fight the urge today to go on it several times so I could write this script that I've been talking about writing for months. And you're almost done with it. I'm almost done with it. But the thing is like I had to actively break down. I had to actually get to the moment where I was in tears yesterday. Like, you know, it's just – and I know that it's not my fault.

I mean we had our friend Zach Renner-Harris over last night to watch Henry on Tonight Show. And he said, you know this isn't your fault. I mean like it's not your fault that like everyone in the world uses this thing. It's like this resource that's there and you're expected to use it, especially when you're in the entertainment. Everyone wants you to use it because they're constantly taking your data and using it for or against you yeah yes and you know what it's it's designed to be a part of your life and it's designed to be ingrained in your life but the fact of the matter is it is not food it is not water it is not oxygen it is not shelter you do not need it to survive yeah and i would almost challenge people to get off of it because I really might.

I'm still wrestling with myself because then today it was an easier day. So I was on it and like I loved seeing everyone sharing the video of you and it was such a positive moment. I was like, yes, like maybe it can be this again. And I also don't want people to think that I'm running scared from reality or information or helping. It just might not be mentally healthy for me right now. You were mentioning how Facebook is not food or water.

I only eat if I log onto Facebook a certain number of times a day. That's how your body is. That's how my body is. It has to happen that way. Matt, I think, you know what? You're absolutely right. Henry, are you...

Because, okay, I think the three of us have just used Facebook for similar reasons, which is... But you know what, Henry? That's the same thing I think about. The number one thing I think about when I think about quitting Facebook is saying, oh, you know what I would miss is promotion. Yeah. Yeah. And not only for your own shows,

like one of my 2017 goals is to go see other people's shows more. And so I've been making a point every time one of our friends says, my show is this day, I put it in my calendar right away. And if I'm free that night, I'm going to go. Like Chrissy Shackelford,

one of her final shows is on Friday. I believe it's Friday. The 27th? This Friday. This Friday? Tomorrow? Yeah, as in tomorrow. The 13th? This Friday. It is. This Friday? Tomorrow? Yeah, as in tomorrow. The 13th?

Yes. Yes, you're right. She posted about it today. Hold on, you know what? Continue talking. I'm going to make sure I get the right one. Next week is Asian Pop,

which is like Maya and Ileana and some other people I don't know's show. New show, first show. Halle Haas. And I wouldn't know about them because I didn't get an email from them. Right. And it's not like they them because I didn't get an email from them.

Right. And it's not like they need to start an email chain just for the people that get off Facebook. It's hard to know. It's the default, though. That's just as important. Yeah. I want to be promoted, too. Right.

From certain people, at least. Totally. Yeah. It is the 13th. Chrissy's show is the 13th. Okay. Diane Shangri-La at UCB, January 13th. Chrissy Shackelford,

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I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Well, but see, that's the thing. It's like, oh, I guess technically what Matt's saying is that you could like go on Instagram

and it's cross promoted in some cases, but if we all decided to use Instagram that way, which I know that's not the way you use instagram and i'm also i'm not advocating for this revolution away from facebook i'm just saying if you're feeling like me and you're feeling a little overwhelmed by everything and a little watched and a little bit like crazy yeah um you you can take a break and i i spoke to a couple people that have taken a break and it's been really good for them. And actually, everyone that I've spoken to that stopped using it, they said it was good for them. They have actually raved about not being on it.

Yeah. I believe Anthony King, who used to artistic direct UCB here, wrote this i think it was probably like some self-published like medium article about how he just is basically off twitter just just because of the news aspect of it he does not want to feel constantly angry it's because you guys aren't journalists yeah you know what i mean like i i think i think um it's what do you mean you guys aren't journalists like all y'all on Facebook aren't journalists. You're not journalists. And I think that when it's on Facebook, it is filtered because it's in your voice. And when you do go on Facebook, you are seeing a feed of people that you've selected to give you information. And that is a filtered thing.

So I would also be interested to see what it would be like if I just got my news from the news. You know what I mean? Because that's not how I've existed in this world. I don't know about our listeners out there. I don't know about you guys. But the way I've gotten news and the way I've heard about things. Is the view. No.

Is the view. Is the view. But also Facebook. But no lie. During the 08 election, I watched The View every day. I watched The View every day. And Henry hates The View. Is The View. But also Facebook. But no lie, during the 08 election, I watched The View every day. I watched The View every day, and Henry hates The View. I don't hate it. I just don't want to watch it.

I'm so happy we're talking about The View. Can we talk about The View? I just... We've mentioned this so many times on the show before, but truly there will never be a moment on TV again ever like Sherri Shepherd thinking the world is flat. Or not being sure if the world is flat. Isn't that why we should hoist the...

Not anymore because the people on The View now suck. I want to finish my thought about this news thing because I don't want to just leave it dangling. I'm interested in the idea of not hearing about the Russian interference by hearing about golden showers. You know what I mean? Hashtag golden showers on Facebook.

I'm interested in maybe watching Rachel Maddow. You know what I mean? And not hearing about what you have to say about Rachel Maddow. While I love hearing that, I would also love to watch what she says. You know, we have cable now.

I can watch television. Look, I can source things out myself maybe the facebook won't be the first website i go to from now on maybe it will be a news source that i trust yeah can we stop talking about facebook it's really making me anxious and you've been talking about it so much like i yeah i don't know if any guest has like interjected like this but i'm sick of talking about facebook okay we're not talking about facebook i will say one more thing re rachel maddow i. I'm not going to talk about The View. Okay.

I have no opinions on The View also just saying that too. I do have opinions on Rachel Maddow which is this. I've had people tell me that like me not shutting

the fuck up about Rachel Maddow has helped them listen to Rachel Maddow every day. Yes, definitely. But I think I'm going to I'm rolling that back

and even today over the phone with someone like I was talking to someone and they were like oh yeah well i'm just trying to enjoy this last week of obama being president and it was like yep yep yep it's tough uh and then i was telling them about how like much of a jerk i've been over the phone to my my representatives and he was like oh yeah saw on Facebook. And then for some reason I got very self-conscious, like I was being too seen. And it's that, it's that like brand persona thing where it's like, Oh wait. And then I, I immediately sort of like, yeah, just defended myself. We got defensive. It was like, Oh, you know what? I think I've, I need to roll it back. Cause I've been a little too militant anyway.

Um, but it's interesting to hear that you don't want to, you don't necessarily want to listen to me talk about Rachel Maddow, but you want to watch Rachel Maddow, right? That's what I'm saying. I just want my information from the source a little bit more, as much as you can get that nowadays. But to be like, oh, look, Bowen's talking about this thing that I also listen to and is sharing with other people. That's cool. Yeah, if I had listened to it. But what I'm saying is I'm getting the majority of my news from this website and I don't want to do that.

This isn't even, this isn't even bigger zoom out from like red feed, blue feed. It's like meta information. Okay. Let's not talk about Facebook anymore. Um, the view. Oh my God. Henry doesn't like it. It drives him nuts.

But I also understand why it drives. It's just like watching people argue and like none of them are experts on it. No. Do you know what really made me feel shitty? Was when they were talking about Mariah. Oh. Doing the New Year's Eve lip sync. Like, come on.

It's like none of you are singers. None of you know what it's like to have your ear go to that. Oh, wait. Let's talk about that. So this is our first episode of the New Year. The three of us, I think, are all on the same page about Mariah and what happened on new year's eve pro mariah pro mariah all the way and look what if what a good sport she was by just going out there and being like well can't do anything about this fucking thing so i'm just gonna like people are saying she was like being sassy or unappreciative

when you're at that level of stardom it'd be like embarrassing for her to like be really shy and embarrassed it was like yeah she owned it and was like things are falling apart and it's kind of funny like i thought she handled it perfectly me too me too oh my god and to end that whole fucking thing with the line doesn't get any better than this is so fucking good yeah and this is do the laugh i mean do the lift just for laughs and i am not a mariah fan i i've like really rarely cared it's not that i don't like her i just don't care her music has never really gotten to me maybe a few key tracks right right right but overall like i can name three songs tops like i don't care and that's why you don't love mariah but but that's i'm saying that's why it's big that for this New Year's Eve thing, I was like, wait, no, she's fine.

It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Henry had never heard the song My All. Look, I will admit that I never really grew up with Mariah in the same way that a lot of other people did. For me, like that. It's interesting, isn't it? The Mariah-shaped hole was filled for me by Celine.

Like I was like, I don't care for other people. That's what happened. Which I just like a very don't care for other people. That's what happened, which I just like a very childish thing to think. But you know, what's interesting, even as a young gay, I felt the need to stand behind just one of them. Right.

Did you, cause you, you, who did you love as a child? As a child? Was there a pop diva that you loved? I got really into Janet Jackson. Oh,

that's a good one. I didn't know that about you. Yeah, that's cool. And I, I wasn't into pop music at all you. Yeah, that's cool. And I, I wasn't into pop music at all. Cause I was very sheltered. Like I,

I listened to like classical music and jazz and like music theater. That's it. Um, and then I got to sixth grade and there's this kid named Josh. Oh, I won't say his last name. Um, who,

uh, yeah, he is obsessed with, was obsessed with Janet Jackson. And he like introduced me to her. Like we were, I think he's probably gay. I haven't seen him like. Like we were, I think he's probably gay. I haven't seen him like since eighth grade,

but I think he's probably gay now. And I think we were bonding. Exactly. I think we were, we became like pretty good friends. We were both gay and he like changed my world. Like he would make me listen to stuff. He would make me watch music videos and I didn't know who she was.

Like I know who Michael Jackson is because you can't avoid that. For good reason. He's amazing. It was so different than anything I'd been exposed to and I was like, yes, I love Janet Jackson now and became really into it. What era of Janet was that? This is all for you.

It doesn't really matter. This would have been two i was in sixth grade like 2002 yeah she was huge at that point yeah it was and i it was like a revival yeah yeah yeah and i wasn't allowed to watch pg-13 movies until i was 13 but my friend josh showed me the nutty professor and stuff amazing and which was like i'd never seen a comedy like that i hadn't seen a comedy that wasn't like a disney or something and and it was like it was insane to see and i didn't know who eddie murphy was like i was very sheltered as a kid you bring it up because uh because it's because of jana or it's your first pg-13 movie

that you saw no both yeah okay oh really i don't Oh, really? Wait, is she even in the movie? She is in The Clumps. She's in The Clumps, too. She's the love interest in The Clumps, which I can't say the word The Clumps without laughing. And I remember the reason I saw The Clumps is because one day I was just literally... Could that be the title of this episode? No. No,

no, no. No, we'll figure it out. It's not worthy of our guest, but keep going. The title of the episode is He Makes Us Sing. Yes! Oh, I love that. Okay, but the reason I saw the clumps is because one day I was just sitting in my house and my dad was like, hey, get in the car. I was like, okay.

He's like, we're going to go see the clumps. I was like, okay. And my dad had never done this. Never. But one thing about my dad that actually I'm remembering now is he actually is a huge Eddie Murphy fan. His first album was Eddie Murphy's comedy album. So he's like an Eddie Murphy fan going all the way back. I don't think he's seen like Norbit.

Norbit, which is a great movie. Is it really? It's fantastic. Any movie with a character named rasputia come on i mean that's for me but uh anyway uh anyway so he i think loves eddie murphy and just put me in the car and we went to go see it and then there's that one scene where like the the the like one of the weird white guys gets like ass fucked by that hamster? I've never seen it. Oh, you need to see The Clumps. No, I...

It is a comedic tour de force. I want to go home, smoke a bowl, and just watch Norbit again. Can we do that? Yes. Like, tonight? Oh, my God. Norbit.

Oh, my God, we should. Norbit's fantastic. No, wait, not Norbit, though. We should find a way to get The Clumps. No, I... No, I don't want... I've actually never seen Norbit, and I kind of refuse. I've never seen it either. Okay, how can you expect way to get the clumps. No. I've actually never seen Norbit, and I kind of refuse.

I've never seen it either. Okay, how can you expect me to watch the clumps, but you refuse to watch Norbit? Because the clumps is actual quality. Because Norbit is actual quality. Okay. Guys, listeners, help us weigh in on this, please. Norbit versus Nutty Professor 2, the clumps.

Which is better? Okay. Let's keep going. Leaving totally out Nuti Professor 1. You know what else, Janet, is in that I liked at the time when I saw it? Is Why Did I Get Married 2 by Tyler Perry, which also has Jill Scott, who is my current favorite vocalist of all time. Yeah. That's who Henry loves. Jill Scott is my number one.

That's a good one. I would have the same reaction to meeting her as Michelle. Explain why. Because Henry has a very interesting taste yes yes when you listen to jill scott's music it is all her she writes every word she writes every note she's a fantastic musician um she started out as an english teacher in philly and was teaching poetry and she started writing her own she started going to jams and stuff and she'd always been a talented vocalist and stuff and then i can't remember who discovered her i think erica badu discovered her oh they're really good friends and um you also love erica and i love erica badu

oh my god yeah i've seen erica four times live wow i've only seen jill once because she rarely comes to new york um she did new year's eve at radio city and it was i was poor at the time and couldn't go but i'm she's the best when i did see her i just cried the whole time like and her albums don't do like i think they're really good like easy listening like yeah they're really relaxing and just the most amazing beats and stuff but she doesn't like go in with the vocals when you see her live she is one of the best vocalists i've ever heard she has like the range of an opera singer but like the soul of you know a soul singer right um and then she like takes from all types of genres and puts them together she is so when i see her live

the one time i saw her live it was life-changing wow um did you ever watch her show on HBO? No, I didn't. It was called Number One Ladies Detective Agency. Oh, no, I never watched it. It was, I think, beloved by critics, but it did only last one season. Anika Noni Rose was on it as well. Anika, who's also incredible. Come forth, Anika. Come forth.

Come forth. That is a front-runner for the title of this episode as well. We've said this before. Come forth, Anika. You know who else we've said come forth about on Lost Culture East as? Catherine Keener. Oh, come forth. We said come forth, Catherine Keener.

Anyway. Yeah. We listened to a little bit of Jill Scott here and there. Yeah. And I like her. I don't really get her track on the Hamilton mixtape. I like it. What did she sing again?

She just does Can't Say No to This. That one. Oh, but she sings it from the perspective of the... Yeah. I liked it. Listen, no. Wait, is this true though? Does she arrange her own stuff too?

I believe she does a lot of that. Wow. I'm sure she has people she works with, but it's her ideas and stuff. I've listened to tons of live recordings and she always is really unique i've never like one of her most famous songs and my favorite song is golden and every live performance is totally different not even different like tempo like different genres she has like one where she does as like a samba or she has one where she's like an insanely slow like jazz ballad and then she'll like or it's so cool she's so amazing and she gets the best

musicians like incredible they're all jazz musicians playing like r&b and stuff which is like the best package jazz musicians playing r&b and oh it's so good and you know who else is amazing live lauren hill i've seen her yeah i've seen her three times and one time i saw her she was singing i think uh everything what is that one uh everything is everything everything is everything yeah and she like had her backup singers like keep singing this like um asana not an asana but like this repetitive phrase and slowly she made each person in the band drop out she like pointed the drummer and like do like the like kill yourself sign and they'd stop and so it's just the backup singers and then

she took the backup singers and she'd be like she'd put her finger to her ear and then like gesture to one of them be like and sing a note be like sing this note now sing this and she would change the chords they were singing and like make weird modulations happen and it morphed into like just this weird like avant-garde like soul music thing just her and her three backup singers and then slowly she would sneak in the other instruments again and it would like be a different song it was oh my god that sounds amazing just hearing you describe that it's incredible yeah she is so love it good yeah and her band is incredible didn't, it is. She is so good. Yeah, she's great. And her band is incredible. Didn't you meet her keyboardist recently?

I met someone that plays keys for her, yeah. Where? I worked with him at the ride. Oh, wow. Yeah. This guy, real super cool guy, Tom. Yeah, I probably saw him. He plays keys for Lauren and that she's amazing.

And also... I think she's getting out of jail soon. Yes. And that she's going to... And that she's going to... Tour again. Hopefully begin creating music again hopefully also ucb comedies matt rubano is the bass player on miseducation of lauren hill which is we know that's phenomenal it's like that's my favorite thing about him

he's a great guy but like that's like yeah that's like one of his the second thing what's your second favorite thing about him his uh stage presence he's an age present aside from being an incredible musician he's a very talented like actor very comedy guy he is um oh my god okay so i guess but maybe we can go into this more you know what though i think this is a good opportunity to ask henry about i was gonna say his beginnings henry this is the question we ask all of our guests as i'm sure you know what culture did you grow up with and what were some of the cultural relics that made you say culture is for me um my mother was like my culture curator tour guide and i was like very sheltered again like i didn't know like about the spice girls until like five years after

they were a thing you know what? What does your mom do? Oh, my mom is a coloratura soprano and she travels all over the country. She's also done international tours and stuff as a classical soloist. She's sung with major symphonies around the world. I'm so proud of her. She's amazing. And what's her name? What's her first name?

Diane. Her stage name is Diane Penning. And she's so amazing. I'm so proud of her and sometimes i get i've like cried before because i feel guilty that she had me and my brothers because it prevented her from becoming like a household like i think she's that good about my mom really yeah i think my mom could have been like laura osnes my mom all of my mom's i'm sorry just just a sidebar yeah go for it all of my mom's, I'm sorry, just, just sidebar. Go for it. All of my mom's college friends, friends from med school say that if my mom had stayed in China, she would have been the surgeon general, like the equivalent of the surgeon general.

Oh my God. She was the best student and at the best medical school in all of China. And then she moved to America. Like I would not have been born in China. Sure. With the one child only policy. Cause I'm the second. Oh wow.

So I just get it. I get a weird existential thing where it's like, like I exist at the expense of my mom's career but i bet it's okay it's interesting that you feel this way yeah i wish my mom had moved to new york i kind of auditioned for broadway because she's that good and she's a great actress too like she would do community theater when i was a little kid she was in the music man which was a huge cultural thing i knew every word to every song when i was three she was mar Marion and she was also an Annie. And I think she played grace. Um,

that's when I was really young, but I still like my favorite song of all time is maybe from Annie. It's because like, it's one of the first songs I learned your favorite musical too. Um, and Annie's my favorite musical. Uh, because it's the first like music I was introduced to.

I would hear my mom practicing it or I don't know. Um, but yeah, she's amazing. And I wish, and she's still working. Like she tours still and she has an amazing new musical partner that is doing some like jazz stuff with it.

Like she's so good. I love my mother. I've seen, I saw a video of Henry and, and Diane playing on the piano together. Yeah. And Oh, beautiful video one.

I, but Henry will say that, that they, that he was terrible or something. I, I, no, no,

no. I, I mean, yeah, I mess up a lot, but it's fine. Like she, I will also say is such a good pianist.

Yeah. I'm so proud of that. Cause she's not known for it at all. But when I was a little kid, she taught piano lessons all the time and she would, this is like early culture stuff. Like she would play like Beethoven sonatas for me and like point out out stuff i would sit next to her on the bench and she'd be like isn't this part cool how it does this and stuff like that and it like totally just like

gave me like i'm obsessed with classical music still yeah and um even though like i i don't perform it at all because you have to commit to being a classical musician. You need to practice like five hours a day and stuff, um, which I could never do, but I still have appreciation for it because of her. And, um, and even before the first like movie I would watch consistently is Mozart's the magic flute in German. And cause she would put it on before I could even speak English. And, and I, it's, you know,

Mozart. So it's incredible. It's the, this is a good for your listeners. If you want to get into opera, a good like gateway opera is, am I using that word correctly? Uh,

is the magic flute. It's like a comedy, but it's also like very like, uh, fantastic as in like a fantasy like dreamy and there's dragons and kings and queens and um but it's also really funny sorry oh my god well it's at the met this month actually oh great um for it but the like lead is like this famous russian guy so it's like a thousand dollars a ticket which is like why opera is dying because who can do that no um but the magic flute

or something in german is uh an amazing opera that's the time that's i'm sorry that's the title pointing to my producer alex let's please translate that in google translate german for the magic flute okay yeah? Yeah. It's great. And it's also one of the only, or not only, but most operas were written in Italian no matter what the composer was. But Mozart wrote it in German, which is kind of huge as well.

Because he was Austrian. Yeah, he was Austrian. I have to interject and say, I had an idiot music teacher in seventh grade that told me every opera was in English. He's like, you know, every opera is is in english the reason you can't understand the words is because they're singing it so classically what no and no and we all went for it i don't know if he was fucking with us he seemed genuine i don't think there were any english this was maybe totally wrong any english

operas till like the 1900s well benjamin britain not according to mr whatever the fuck wow oh my god but he legitimately told us that and as you're saying this i'm like shaking my head thinking about like how there was literally robbed of an opera an opera you know it's just fascinating to me because like it's like with anything like you obviously had an exposure to that kind of thing like you know what i mean but like for me where where I grew up, it was all about sports. Yeah. And then other communities, I had a friend in college who was – she went to a high school in Texas. And obviously they're all about sports there as well.

But the budget for the theater program was over the top. Pictures of her in the Scarlet Pimpernel with a floor-length gown. Obviously the budget through the roof. And it's like it really matters what you're exposed to as a child like those instincts can can either flourish or just never get tapped into based on like what you're exposed to as a child that's why it's so important that we have like arts in schools and that makes me panic because i hope we're headed in a good direction with that. But who knows? I mean, we need that. Like, cause thank God that you know all that shit.

Like how you're able to make a living now. Yeah. And it wasn't just my mom. Like I had my elementary school music teacher, Mrs. Van Dessel, Kathleen Van Dessel. I think that's her first name.

She was so excellent. Like she would expose us to like, she would like take classical music and like paint a picture for us kind of in our heads. Be like, doesn't this to like, she would like take classical music and like paint a picture for us kind of in our heads. Be like, doesn't this sound like, uh, like a river with salmon jumping in or something like that. And I would like, I knew I had this like deep knowledge of like classical music when I was like in second grade, I knew like all these composers and I could like identify like Beethoven

symphonies and stuff, which I can't even do anymore. Um, but I, I loved that I could do that. And one lesson I, I can can remember sitting in the room, there's this French composer named Camille, I always mispronounce his last name, César. It looks like Saint Sainz. Yeah, him. He wrote this piece of music called Carnival of the Animals,

and each piece is supposed to sound like an animal you might see at the zoo, like a lion or um an elephant so like that and that lesson like i i asked my mom if we could buy it it was the first cd i ever owned first time i ever bought was charlie brown christmas which is the best but first time i ever owned was carnival the animals by like the philadelphia philharmonic i think um led by marvin hamlish or that's pittsburgh no pittsburgh oh and he was the pops conductor so never mind but um yeah carnival the animals also there's one piece from it called the aquarium which is supposed to sound like fish

and alan mankin um totally was inspired by that for the beauty and the beast score. You know, the da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, you know that piece? Like when the rose is like, Oh yes, yes,

yes. Yeah. Like listen to the aquarium from carnival, the animals, they're almost exactly the same. And I'm not like shaming Alan. I think it's like awesome that he was, Alan is a thief.

Alan is my other favorite. Like, geez. Oh my God. Um, Alan Macon is my other favorite like jeez Alan Macon is the other part of my childhood I would watch Aladdin over and over Disney yes I'm thinking to myself like I feel like I understand what you're saying about that but I don't understand how

you could be a child or alive exposed to the world, and not know who the Spice Girls were. Because you'd go into school, and everyone would be talking about it. I remember the day Britney Spears hit. I remember one day, there was nothing.

And then the next day, there was Britney Spears. And everyone was talking about it. I was in third grade in 1998, honey. This is not... I'm not shaming you for this. I think you were a popular kid. I was not a popular kid. I was a nerdy kid.

I was only friends with like nerdy Christian girls. Like we did, we, they weren't listening to Spice Girls or something like that. That's a good point. It's about what you're exposed to, like you just said. Well, I guess just like it, well, I mean, I don't think it had to do with anything with popularity. I think like if I was obviously grew up in like a Long Island community that was like very influenced by the media, I think.

Sure. I mean, like, because when I went into school, it didn't matter who the fuck you were. I mean, everyone knew who Britney Spears was. It just was not as capable. Yeah. But if you are in a part of the country that like has the option to turn away from that for whatever reason, then I think that choice could get made. And then those

things wouldn't be a part of your childhood it's just interesting like the differences sure the differences in like upbringing because i would have i remember years ago i went on a date with a guy years ago this is like five years ago and i he asked what pop roulette did our music our sketch group and i was like yeah we write songs about pop culture. We just did a sketch about Taylor Swift. And he was like, who is that? And this is when Speak Now had been out. Fearless had been out. She was huge. She was one of the biggest ever. And I was like, you don't know

who Taylor Swift is? I thought it was a joke. But I guess that is possible. Yeah, it is possible. After R.I.P. Carrie Fisher passed away, I saw this guy that I know post, I don't know who Debbie Reynolds or Carrie Fisher is. Why is everyone so sad? A gay guy.

And I was like, wait, how like even like, I mean, even like straight people like star Wars, come on. How can you not know these two women? I want to say something that I think is the mission statement of this podcast.

Bitch. Okay. Because Matt and I were watching Harrisbury live. Yes. And then we were texting our friend Joel and Joel was at our other friend Adam's place watching this and Joel would not stop texting me about this jerk there who was a gay guy who was

like, who are these people? Who's Queen Latifah? I'm sorry. Who's Jennifer Hudson? I was confusing her for the movie. Who's Jennifer Hudson? Who's Ariana Grande? Like just.

What? Was kind of. Was he being facetious or was it real? It seemed like he was like aware of, he was just very deliberate in how like pop culture averse he was. And he like kept making that a political thing where he was like, well, I don't follow pop culture. So there.

Yeah. How cool. So the mission statement of las culturistas is to is to spread the gospel of culture yes yeah yeah and you know what i think when i was like in middle school i was kind of like that guy i was like i don't like pop culture i don't know who janet jackson is and then this friend josh who i think he might be married which is why i'm not saying his last name because i want to out him um he like exposed me to janna jackson he was like the beginning of of my like pop culture world journey yeah you know what josh was josh was a big part of henry knowing when culture was

for him yes yeah yeah aside from like because i'm so happy like that i did grow up with like all these musicals and like west side story was like a life-changing moment for me yeah um like when i first saw that movie my all-time favorite musical me too yeah even my dad likes it he's not like a musical theater guy it's so good um it's the most incredible music i think in the ever written i love it who's the most popular musician that you like musician well like instrumentalist no what i mean is like if if there's is there someone that you go to bat for in terms of like the the divas the girls the girls oh of like people that are like in the ariana grande right yeah not like jill scott who's kind of like no she's not like she's not like yeah like the way the gays get behind one who do you get

no actually i know what he's going to say. Yeah. My favorite. Well, I think Beyonce is better, but my favorite is Rihanna. I love, you knew I was going to say that,

right? Well, I'm surprised that you say you think Beyonce is better because you've said otherwise. Beyonce. Beyonce is a, I've said that Rihanna is better than I'm saying. I'm more captivated by Rihanna than I am.

Beyonce. You are crucifying your own boyfriend. I'm a truth teller. Okay, I'm a seer. Okay, I drag it out. I don't care who it gets dragged out from. I bring it to the front. The way Beyonce, and I think it's because of how they act outside of their music career.

Beyonce is so secretive and stuff, which is cool. Rihanna's funny. Rihanna's funny. And when she's singing, i feel hilarious like she's not like beyonce is so rehearsed which is amazing like she works so hard to get everything perfect rihanna i feel like when you're watching her live you're like something might happen yeah um but not in like a bad way like you really feel like she's there in the moment performing and i think that her voice is incredible it's so rich and deep and i like her voice she

used to not be good especially in the last album cycle especially with four or five seconds yes i thought she sounds amazing that and then in higher uh and in her album auntie but yeah i know i agree with you honey that's not a bad answer i hate that kelvin harris song uh the new one poor the yeah because teller Swift wrote it oh did she really I feel like everything I like about Rihanna he sucked out of it and just

like it could be anyone no character it's because it makes me sad like he collaborated with Taylor Swift on it and Taylor Swift writes

those things where you don't really need a voice to sing them yeah you just literally yeah you're right like it's just like

it's just it's just tones. It's like We Found Love is a culture stopper in my opinion. Yes, I agree. So good. So I was excited when I saw that she was collaborating with him again, and it was such a disappointment. But that's because... Okay, here's the difference between We Found Love and This Is What You Came For. we found love and this is what you came for this is what you came for is trying to is trying to

like have character where this is we found love is deliberately like but but but but but but it's like very it feels like rihanna right yeah this is what you came for it doesn't feel like rihanna yeah we found love and also the video for we found amazing it's so good because it feels like rihanna it feels dirty it feels raw it feels like it it feels like it just got fucked yeah you know what i mean like uh-huh whereas this is what you came for feels like oh yeah this is rihanna playing laying this down in 15 minutes after hearing a probably vocal demo by taylor swift yeah um one song that i think is very underrated that i really shit on at the time it came out is, oh,

how does it go? We would, oh, Pour It Up. You would have poured it up? Yes. Pour It Up, Fall Out,

I love. Matt and I, when I got super drunk and then when we were walking home or something. We hated it at the beginning. We hated it

and we just made fun of it and we just kept singing it out loud. Yeah, we were, oh, I remember in this moment I think about this. And then someone, someone's in a car coming by and they were can, yeah, we were, oh, I remember in this moment I think about this. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, And then someone,

someone's in a car coming by and they were like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

That's the other best part about Rihanna is her melismas because they're so sloppy and just like, they're like fat. Her voice is like fat in them.

Like, you know, my favorite one. She got a fat voice. Peach fat. Fat. Fuck your voice. At the end of

The Bridge on Rude Boy, when she's... It's like the most magical musical moment of pop music in the last 10 years, I think. It's a flat circle. Let's quickly, before we jump into I Don't Think So Honey, let's quickly talk about this culture stoppers list that Henry created. Yes. A few months ago. Because Henry now stopped the world world stop on facebook

with this culture stoppers um pop music kind of uh poll he did so a bunch of votes came in i find the poll to be a little problematic because i think that a lot of songs that are more classic snuck in there. Like, pull up the list. Okay, well, here, let's just give the outline. So, choose as many songs as you like, but please be selective as you decide if it is a timeless culture stopper from, like, 1997 to 2016. Compare it to

I Will Always Love You. Will your grandkids know the words to the chorus of Hips Don't Lie, the way that we know the words to My Girl by The Temptations. The survey is not to decide if it is a culture stopper. I think we decided these are culture stoppers. I think we already decided these are culture stoppers. But it is a timeless culture stopper.

Right. Again, timeless culture stopper. That's big. Give the top five from five. Okay, top five. And this is, okay, so with the number number i'll also give you the number of votes okay a lot of people voted in this um number one uh from 1997 to 2016 is let's say it together well number one or if you're going from five to one oh let's go from five to oh that's what you're

saying i'm so sorry i'm so sorry yeah from five to one number five we have baby got back sir mix a lot with 67 which i shouldn't have included because it's from 92 and that's what i'm saying which is why it's truly i think huge that like that timeless felt so current when i was in like eighth grade at the school dance and it's playing and it was everyone knew everywhere like it felt like oh it was in the trolley this year yeah that's because it was already a classic song. It really doesn't... It should be on this list. I know.

Yeah, people have gotten... Not upset, but like... Sure. I don't know what to do about it. I'm not going to move it. Let's disqualify that. And then, I guess, within those rules, number six, which you could consider as number five,

is My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion, which I think... For sure, classic. 100%. Yeah. Okay. I feel like one of the last great movie song singles. Sure. Oh, yeah.

Not from an animated movie. Not from an animated movie. Back when they mattered. Right, right, right. Okay. Number four is, with 69 votes, is Wannabe by Spice Girls, which I'm surprised. Which I don't know if... Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Oh, my God. I just

butchered this. I I'm sorry Number four is actually Hit Me Baby One More Time By Britney Spears Is the next one Okay Matt and I Were at a club in Chicago Called Scarlet My favorite club

In the whole world Matt I kept hyping this up to Matt And Matt was like I don't know We'll see It was good It was great right

DJ put on Hit Me Baby One More Time After a string of like Modern hits But as soon as Hit Me Baby One More Time Came on I was like

Killed it This song is amazing Every day melted Yep Yep I think that deserves To be on there yeah for sure you're gagged right there's yeah um that's with 68 votes and i'm so sorry i spoiled this early wannabe 69 votes yeah will our grandkids remember the lyrics i think that they will i think that they will. I feel like it's going to develop that same sort of 80s

cheese. Yeah, I get that. I just think it's fine. I feel like it wouldn't be on there if it wasn't deserving. Sure. I think 80s cheese is exactly right. I think it's going to be the time of your life. We know that song.

It's so corny. You wouldn't think it'd be a culture stopper but somehow it is this comparison um i think it's a culture stopper in part because its lyrics are so fucking bizarre like and also their energy performing it is so uh individual and like crazy i think it really captured an uh feeling let's be real though let's be real though girls when this song comes on at like a wedding or a party like it's be real, though. Let's be real, little girls. When this song comes on at a wedding or a party, it's lit. Yeah, it's lit.

It's true. Just get out there. So it's fun. It's a crowd pleaser. Okay, next. I think this is controversial. Yeah. Number two,

because Wannabe was number three. Number two is with 69 votes. Oh, so it was a tie. Wannabe and Let It Go are both tied for number two. Oh, Let It Go. Yeah, Let It Go by Idina Menzel. Now, I think that we are fresh off this being fucking inescapable.

Crazy, crazy, crazy. But I think in 10 years, it doesn't have as many votes as Hit Me Baby One More Time. I would argue against that. Think about all... I've watched, I don't know, a hundred videos of toddlers singing it. They're going to carry that with them. It is the reason...

Right. The song, I would say, is the reason Frozen is the highest grossing animated film of all time. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Let me ask you. Is the song that good? A lot of people talk about why it's bad.

And I don't know. I like it. And I think that if there's a of people talk about why it's bad and i don't know i like it and i think that if you there's a song you just like it there's something good and maybe you don't need to put it into words there's obviously something good about the song yeah like it's obviously good yeah how much of it does it have to do with adina um yeah could someone else sing it like even like an amazing vocalist like jennifer h like Jennifer Hudson like I think Idina had that that musical theater flair mixed with like the

I don't know she has the right combo even though she can't sing it live I've never heard her sing it live well once she's been a part of three cultural phenomenons like that's there's something wait what Wicked Rent Wicked and Frozen like those are huge

and enchanted don't forget enchanted she's an enchanted yeah she plays uh patrick dempsey's like girlfriend enchanted the ones with amy adams yeah she's in that oh at the end of the movie adina menzel gets sucked into the cartoon world and no one bats an eye we were wait matt and i had a bit about this we were like oh, oh yeah, like, like there, there must've been a missing persons report. It's like, no word on what happened to this woman who magically disappeared. Although sources say she may have disappeared into a comic book world and she fell into

a sewer in Times Square, which is the portal into the, oh my God. We're sure she's happy. Moving on. We accept this new person. That's crazy. That's a great movie.

It's a good movie. I have questions about the logic jump. Anyway, number one on this list, which I think is deserved and also it shows up in the results because with 89 votes. Come on girls. Single Ladies. Single Ladies! And Single Ladies is a song that doesn't musically

get me going in any way. Sure. But I do admit it just makes you happy when it comes on. Have you heard it live? Yes. Yes. Twice. Yeah.

It's a gag. Everyone, everyone, it's a, it's a bop. I remember the moment I, I watched single ladies. I was walking down St.

Mark's. This was freshman year at NYU for us walking down St. Mark's and just watching it. And girl changed my life. That was another thing where it was like before there was it was a moment before single ladies

and after culture stoppers and now it is time to stop everything I want to talk about single ladies a little more I remember

like when it happened I loved the video and like yeah all my gay friends in college were talking about it and then I went to a party with my straight friends

and right when we got in the car they were like we gotta play that new Beyonce song single ladies and that's when I know like my straight friends they were jazz when we got in the car they're like we got to play that new beyonce song single ladies that's what i know yep yes like my straight friends they were jazz musicians i only hung out with like the straight jazz guys and they were like we got to listen to single ladies wow yeah i think everyone loves beyonce culture Republicans whatever yeah which

who needs them anyway um okay it's time to stop it's time to stop. It's time to do... Wait, I just want to say one more thing. I'm so sorry. I know I have to go. But West Side Story, huge culture thing for me. Yes. The other big life-changing musical that I saw, I saw my community theater do it, the Grand Rapids Civic Theater, Sweeney Todd, changed my life. Sondheim at an early age.

Now that you said that, I want to shout out my favorite teacher because you shouted out a teacher. Jane McGuinness in AP Lit in 12th grade. She exposed us to Sweeney Todd and Stephen Sondheim, and I will never forget. Something just turned on. I was just like, oh my God. It's unbelievable. It's the best work. I will say, and we can move on, I envy early exposure to Sondheim.

I wouldn't count west side story as like actual like fully fledged it doesn't feel like that yeah like i've and this is another thing about henry there's another thing about henry just making people sing and like i didn't get into sondheim full-fledged sondheim until very recently and this is because at henry's duplex nights people would go up and just sing them and And I'd be like, God, this is just beautiful, complex music. And I want to know more about this. So then just after the New Year, I watched all of Sunday in the Park with George. It's all on YouTube.

Oh, awesome. Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters. And then there's all of Company. And there's all of all these greats on time. Anyway, so. You guys were there when that guy Larry Owens sang. Yes, Larry Owens. Unbelievable.

I host the Piano Bar at the Duplex every now and then. And this guy named Larry Owens, who I had never met, came in and sang Sunday in the Park with George, which you wouldn't think, the opening number, which you wouldn't think is a showstopper. Everyone leapt out of their seats. Amazing. He's an amazing talent. Look out for Larry Owens, guys. Larry Owens.

Larry Owens, bitch. New friend. I mean we we connected we've been friends I think he's he's sort of like peripherally in the community now he's gonna be

even more in the community because he's he's getting into the comedy gig hashtag beloved now we have to move on okay okay we're gonna move on to

your favorite segment I'm talking about you the listener I don't think so honey this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture anything at all

anything that's grinding our gears right now all the tics and tacks of culture we're getting into it honey uh all the judah day so uh bone would you like to start or should i um i can start okay we have one minute on the clock for bone yang i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey trader joe's locations in new york city i was in chicago last week and i went to the trader joe's on umiversee and girl, it was a spacious, empty, fully stocked Trader Joe's. Could you imagine?

I don't think so, honey. Trader Joe's in New York where the line goes around the fucking shelves. I don't think so, honey. Trader Joe's that don't have the ready to bake chicken pot pies that I love. They're my favorite thing of all time at Trader Joe's, honey. And I never get them. I only get them once in a blue moon when Trader Joe's aren't fucking packed like sardines. But I go to Chicago.

Everything, every shelf is fully stocked. It is a bounty. It is a plenty, honey. And the lines were short. Every worker, I mean, Trader Joe's workers in New York are very nice people. But the ones in Chicago are just, just, they don't have this, they don't have this dress. So I don't think so, honey. Trader Joe's in New York.

All of the New York locations the Union Square one forget it forget it I used to think that was normal and that was acceptable but I do not accept it anymore I only go to the one

that is in on Court Street in Brooklyn I don't think so honey that is time that is one minute Beau and Ye oh my god he comes against

the chain that is Trader Joe's which gives us all I feel the same way yeah wow Trader Joe's in Chicago is amazing all the experience. I feel the same way, yeah. Wow. Trader Joe's in Chicago is amazing.

That Union Square one is a sacred location for me because it was the first time I ever bought wine by myself. Sure. I mean, I will never, I will always thank you, be grateful for that

because likewise, but no, not anymore. Okay. I'm going to go now. Great. Matt Rodgers, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. The Golden Globes giving Damien Chazelle a screenplay award for La La Land. Now look, bitch. I think La La Land is good for many, many reasons. I think Emma Stone gagged me to death. And you know what? I'll come for you, anyone. I don't think so, honey. Say that Emma Stone wasn't right for this part because guess what? When you put a camera in your face, you better be able to act it, honey. I don't want to see Laura Osnes on screen with a camera in her face.

You know what? You'll be gagged when it goes to Broadway and you can see, here's to the fools who dreamed sung in that beautiful voice. Well, guess what? This is on film, girlfriend. And you need a different flavor. That said, her acting and the acting of the other people in the movie and the direction of Damien Chazelle, very good director. Almost, almost, almost. It doesn't even matter because the script is bad, bitch.

Okay, twice in the movie. Oh no, I forgot I had this thing is a huge plot point. No. Screenplay, no. My BFA lit on fire in that moment that it was handed that Golden Globe. Also, the fight they have is the most infuriating fight ever. You're deliberately not saying what you want. It was like watching a car wreck happen on purpose, Lala, and you don't deserve a best screenplay.

Oscar, don't even think about it, Oscar. Oh, and that's I Don't Think So Honey. That's the longest I Don't Think So Honey that's been on record. A minute and five seconds. Well, I had a lot to say, and can you believe I have more to say about it? Maybe another episode. Another episode. We'll follow up. We'll do an I Don't Think So Honey follow up. But it should be winning scripting awards, girlfriend. You guys have to have another episode

with another music theater person and talk about Sondheim because there's so much there. There's so much there. Maybe you'll come back. But I know there are people that know a lot more about him than me and I want to hear that person. We want to know what you think right now and your I don't think so honey

and Henry Kapurski. Can I do, you've done this before where I had 30 seconds say 30 seconds and I'm going to switch. Oh, you can do that. We almost did that

and then we decided not to but we'll do it for you. We'll do it for you but I'm saying it's going to be tough. It's going to be very hard. It's much very hard sometimes much easier maybe i'll ignore it and just keep going on the same all right ready henry kapursky's i don't think so honey this is an iconic moment it starts right now i don't think so honey gym class it is the worst class it has

been made fun or like it's in movies for the past four decades of like nerdy kids just hating gym class because there's evil jocks and bullies or like bitchy girls that are awful bitchy boys too bitchy is for everyone and uh and it is not physical education it is competitive sports education yeah and i hated gym class so much that i stopped i avoided physical activity all for everything because it was like such a tormenting thing in my life and i okay i'm gonna keep going. And, uh, oh my God. Oh my God.

I hate gym class so much. You should be teaching kids how to be healthy. Teach them why the way they move makes them healthy. Teach them about eating healthy. Teach them how like calories work. Don't make us play basketball with jocks. And I don't think so, honey.

Like some kids are nerdy and they can't handle it. And, and also our society like lifts sports up so much so the kids that are good in gym class are revered and the kids that are bad even if you're really good at music or something you are just like vilified and like made fun of gym class needs to change and i okay sorry i don't think so i don't think so honey gym class wow oh my god great and also there was real passion behind that i feel like a lot interesting fact both henry and my fathers are physical education teachers.

And I have talked to my dad about this. And my dad, I know he puts effort into making sure the kids that aren't into it are having a good time and not being mocked. Also, locker rooms need to be supervised. The shit that happens in locker rooms is disgusting. Yes, it's terrible. Traumatic. Sexual harassment, bullying. The way that seventh grade boys will talk about girls

talk about just disgusting that's where it starts that's where you nip it in the bud you need to have a supervisor in there it's bad and look really bad this gym class talk that gym class i don't think so many first of all iconic second of all coming from the picture of health henry kapurski oh truly you got to get somebody to eat kale you cannot. So if Henry is telling you that he hated fitness as a child, or the trimmings that come with fitness as a child, and he had to undo years of that to get to where he is today, that is real mama. That is culture.

I think it's definitely problematic. I think it's all about this kind of traditional toxic masculinity. Masculinity. And there's still gym teachers who will have like captains choose their team like it's rupaul's drag race with kids and then there's like poor kids that are chosen last and that scars them for life yes it is really like yeah terrible and it happens every day and you know what some of the gym teachers get off on it oh i'm sure they should be they should be not fired but demerited and i know that for some kids that's the only place they shine is the

the gymnasium which is so that's good for them but you need to make it work for everyone and we also need to help those kids that shine in gym like find love for like academics too and i don't know it's no you're right i agree also because like so what you were great it's you were great at sports in high school that doesn't take you very far. I mean, like... Unless it does, which... Unless it does, which is good for you. You're in the less than 1%. It's just too prioritized.

I say that with love for the act of running, jumping, and leaping. I have to say this has to be... We have to come to an end. Henry has a show to go to. He's going to go perform in Ha Ha Wow from Reductress, hosted by Nicole Silverberg. It's a great lineup tonight. You should always go to see this show. One plug for us.

Also, Sunday night, I do want to say I want to plug this show. Nicole Silverberg is hosting a charity show for Fountain House at Union Hall. Check that out. I think this is a really good charity, and I want people to go to it. It's just a really good thing. It's a good example of putting positivity and wellness in the world, and I really want to shout that out. And one last plug for me and Matt. We have the final, final, truly final performance of our pop roulette show that's been running at UCB called Amazing Earth.

It's on January 20th. Same night as A Little Night Music with Henry. So make it a UCB night. You come see us earlier in the night. Then you hop on over to see amazing talent singing and doing their thing and having a great time. And thank Henry. You're the best.

I love Henry. I love both of you so much. It's awesome to be on here. Are we a throuple now? Yes. We're a throuple, but I am only a platonic. I'm so excited for Chrissy Shackelford. I've been waiting

for this episode. I tell Matt all the time, when is Chrissy going to be on? Next episode, honey, it'll be historic. It's going to become reality.

All right, bye guys. Everyone kiss into the mic as we go out. Forever Dog. This has been

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