Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Dishing and Kibbitzing" (w/ Andy Cohen)

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

Here's what: Andy fucking Cohen is on Las Culturistas. And this, readers, is THEE definitive Andy-On-Bravo unfiltered podcast episode you have been waiting for! It is ALL discussed. The author of the new book "The Daddy Diaries" goes deep with Matt & Bowen on not only all things Housewives and Vanderpump, but also Andy's relationship with Jimmy Buffett, his iconic first meeting with the legendary Susan Lucci, MetLife as a flop venue for concerts, All My Children as formative culture and Kelly Ripa & Mark Consuelos "fucking like rabbits". Also, Watch What Happens Live drama with BOTH Matt & Bowen gets cleared up! All this, JoBros culture, Sunny Hostin as a RHONY housewife, and a discussion on Housewives as both the modern soap and a model of how to navigate (and NOT navigate) conflict in everyday life. Read the book and watch all the shows! We loooooooove Andy!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at nine on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw

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Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Now, you were saying off mic about how you took a little bit of an edible. Tell me the strength.

Tell me the brand. Tell me the type. It's those Camino ones that are all over New York City now. Very popular with the girls. Very popular with the girls. Although, it is doing that thing. It's like a minor, I don't think, so honey so honey where it's like instead of saying like sativa indica or like hybrid they just go uplifting

no just be straight with me I'm not a child I'm not a child and so just tell me what I'm putting in my body I know sativa hybrid indica I know all the things my thing is I might have to go to edibles cause I'm smoking all the time now

I used to be a old person I used to be a old person. I used to be a flower person. Now I smoke joints constantly. And like, I'm going to need my voice soon. And so now I'm just like, it's soft launch. Soft launch. But it's getting rougher and rougher and rougher. And also I'm waking up and feeling hungover in a way that I'm like, but I didn't even

drink. Yeah. No. Some allergies are weird right now. Let's talk about this. Let's get into the allergy of it all. Do you feel a little duped coming back to New York? Because I feel like the trees aren't as spermy in LA. Sister, speak. It really hits you like a ton of bricks

here. But then I'm on my group chat with the LA fags, and they're saying they can't breathe. And so now I'm just like... Well, that's the fires. Apparently it's national, girl. We're back in the studio with no cans. Last week we had no cans, and now it just really feels like talking and not podcasting. And I feel like this is the right sort of schema, the right energy for our guest.

This is so thrilled. Because here's the thing. It's like here we are sitting here talking, and then you zoom out a second. Not only is there recording equipment here, but there's a guest here guest here there's a guest who's sort of the king of all kings just released the new book the daddy diaries the year i grew up by our guest wouldn't you agree pop culture icon because you go oh right oh he's friends with like barry diller you know like he's been to warren michaels's house in the hamptons i love the abbreviation of sj sj oh my god you know hicky oh hicky came over oh i saw plaza suite hicky was such a good director

wait loved plaza suite oh my god constant reference to plaza suite i was just it was like a euphoric trigger for me because every single time i think about Plaza Suite, I think about SJ, which we call her too. It's actually really close to number 11. We call her SJ too. When she came out in Act 2 in that fucking blue number, you better fuck off. Mike Nichols could never. I said in the theater,

I was in the sixth row, I said fuck off. Fuck off. But I didn't. Oh, can we just share something? So Matt and I went to a screening of um two big dicks two big dicks Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson's that was good

upcoming A24 musical mhm there's a line in there it doesn't really matter what the context is but someone yells at Josh you know what fuck off

yeah and it's powerful very powerful phrase fuck off fuck off I have a shirt that says it thank you HBO's succession marketing team

for sending that in a big box. Listen, back to the guest. This is someone who, I have, I'm sort of conflicting right now

because like, I love the guest. The guest is one of my favorite people on earth. The guest has put me in the book. The guest has put you in the book.

You're in the book too, but it just mentions show with Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers was a lot of fun. Oh and then you know what he said which I really appreciated?

Saw Fire Island. I know. Which was really cute. Really cute which I think perfect reveal. And then he said I hope that people

don't come to Fire Island as a result of this and we want to echo that statement. Don't come. Call me Kamala. Do not come. In the words of Kamala Harris

do not come. It's rule of culture number 33 in the words of Kamala Harris do not come. We the words of Kamala Harris, do not come. It's rule of culture number 33. In the words of Kamala Harris, do not come. We want to thank our vice president for being so welcoming. Now, let's discuss our guest. Our guest. I mean, author, talk show host, producer, like maker of culture.

And isn't that what this is all about, this podcast, Bowen Yang? Absolutely. We feel really honored in his presence. Also, really serene, too. A lovely Absolutely. We feel really honored in his presence. Also, really serene, too. A lovely man. Easy to talk to. Easy to talk to.

Novel. Does it for a living. Novel. He hosts Radio Andy. He hosts Watch What Happens Live. Mm-hmm. Executive producer of Every Housewives. It's an indica you took. It's not.

It's not. Okay. It said uplifting. Please welcome into your ears, Andy Cohen! Oh, you guys. You're all dressed up for work. It's something. I just taped a show.

Oh, what was it? Watch What Happens? Yes. Who were the guests? The first show was the Jonas Brothers. Oh! And the second show was Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen, and Mary Steenburne. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. The book club gal. The book club gal. Two and Mary Steenburne. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The book club gal. The book club gal. Two high-wattage shows. Oh, big time. Really great. So do the JoBros sort of come in with any Bravo knowledge, or is that sort of just the fun thing?

No, I asked them at the top. There is a scene from, what's that movie they did? Love Again. Oh, no, Camp Rock. Camp Rock. Where Sheena Shea delivers a pizza. Oh, my God. Sheena Shea is in Camp Rock. And Rock. Where Sheena Shea delivers a pizza. Oh, my God. Sheena Shea is in Camp Rock.

And I played it and I said, do you know who this woman is? And then, and Kevin Jonas knew. His wife watches everything. Exactly. Kevin gets it. He does get it. All lovely boys. Yeah, lovely boys.

Very sweet. They're good ones. They said they regret the chastity rings. Well, I would too. Yeah, right. But it's like a fun little embellishment. It's part of their lore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, then they came back chastity rings. Well, I would too. Yeah, right. But it's like a fun little embellishment. It's part of their lore. Yeah, exactly.

Yes. Yeah. Well, then they came back so fucking horny. They did. I know. And then remember when Nick was flirting with the gay community for a second, and then they had him speak at Stonewall. Remember that?

That got people mad. I know. That got people mad because why are you putting him up there? Oh, my God. I remember once Nick was on the show years ago, early in the run of Watch What Happens Live, when we did an experiment for about a year where Sandra Bernhardt was going to be my Andy Rooney, if you get that right. And once a week on Thursday, she came out and did a segment called Sandrology, where she would come out and do a rant. I was like, I want to give you two minutes at the end of every Thursday episode, say whatever you want, whatever.

So she would come out and do it, and the guests would sit there in stunned silence because they didn't know what was happening. Certainly Nick Jonas. And so then we kept Sandra for the after show, and she's sitting at the bar quipping and quapping. Doing her thing. And she says to Nick Jonas, where do you live, honey? And he said, Chelsea.

He said, I really love it there. And she said, oh, honey, I bet they love you. And he didn't get it. It was so great. He was so young. Yeah, he didn't get it. I think he gets it now, and that's why he doesn't do all that. Right. Priyanka.

I know. Oh, wait, can I share something? Sure. I think I'm allowed to share this. Okay. Insider. April 2020. We're all locked up at home SNL's like we gotta do these at home shows send in your sketches yes

Julio Torres and I are like do we write a sequel to Sarah Lee uh huh let's see if Nick Jonas is available we hear Nick Jonas is interested in being in sketches yes okay

we write him a whole sequel to Sarah Lee called Chef Boyardee yeah great and it's like filthy filthy it's filthy and gay and he's the original for people that don't know And it's like filthy, filthy. It's filthy and gay. The original,

for people that don't know, is Harry Styles. Go ahead. It's a social media intern at Sarah Lee. He kind of mixes up his accounts. Wreck me, King. Wreck me, King.

Oh my God. It was in full circle because Nick Jonas was in that one. Yes. Oh, wow. In Instagram form. And so basically, we sent it to him.

His people got back to us. They said, Nick is very sensitive to queerbaiting. Oh. Which we love. Which we love. I mean, They said Nick is very sensitive to queer baiting. Which we love. I mean, that's growth, you know? I'm down with Nick doing a little queer baiting. Me too. I would love just a

little bit of queer baiting from everyone. Show a little peek of butt. Show a little peek of butt. But that's the thing. It's like, I'm not going to say I'm above this, okay? I've been a gay man for a very long time. I have done the thing where I Google celebrity name shirtless. Right. Let's just say when you do that with him, there's

no shortage. No. It is a treasure trove. Yes. No. I asked him actually about two hours ago why he stopped with the shirtless. And he said it was too exhausting to maintain it. And I didn't know if he meant maintaining his body or maintaining the postings. But also he said that he didn't like it because what people would think about was the shirtless and not the music.

Not the music. We love your music. You got to be thinking about the music. I mean, they have good music, which also gets lost. I'm a sucker. That was good. And this album is like leaning into dad rock. It's very yacht rocky.

Love it. Love yacht rock. Wait, speaking of yacht rock, one of my favorite things, and this isn leaning into dad rock. It's very yacht rocky. Love it. Love yacht rock. Wait, speaking of yacht rock, one of my favorite things, and this isn't even yacht rock really, because I think that Jimmy Buffett actually defies characterization. Oh. But Jimmy Buffett appears so much in the book. He does. I'm like a parrot head from birth.

Oh, is that true? My dad is a huge parrot. I actually have a Jimmy Buffett vintage concert t-shirt from like 81. Oh my God. That my dad, it's one of my prized possessions. And Jimmy Buffett appears so much in your book. Do you have a relationship with Jimmy Buffett? You know, I met, I'm really good friends with Jane Buffett,

who's one of the coolest people you will ever meet. She is like the greatest hostess and the hangs at their house are really good. I bet. the greatest hostess and the hangs at their house are really good i bet and i had to kind of restrain myself from really going into it in the book yeah uh but she is so cool but there is a funny story in the book where i went out to dinner with them one night in seg harbor and yeah i'm pals with them and i'm buddies with jimmy and i love him that's all And we went to get fro-yo after and I was kind of explaining to him how fro-yo works at the, what's it like? The Handles. The Handles.

Buddha Berry in Sag Harbor on Main Street. And so I do a Q&A with my audience every night before Watch What Happens Live. Two weeks later, someone raises their hand and says, I just want you to know this isn't a question, it's just a comment. I saw you at Buddha Berry helping your dad get frozen yogurt. And I just want you to know this isn't a question. It's just a comment. I saw you at Buddha Berry helping your dad get frozen yogurt.

And I just wanted you to know how sweet you were being with your dad. I go, that wasn't my dad. That was Jimmy fucking Buffett. Unbelievable. You idiot. And so I called Jane. I go, this is the funniest story. She goes, oh, my God, you got to tell Jimmy that.

I go, well, is he going to think it's funny? She goes, Jimmy's going to die. You got to tell him that. I go, well, is he going to think it's funny? She goes, Jimmy's going to die. You got to tell him. So she told him. And then every time I see him now, he calls me son and I call him dad. I love it. That's so good. What a good dad to have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Cool dad. Yes, cool dad. It's actually really close to number 80. Jimmy Buffett is a cool dad. Yes, sir. I have so much knowledge of Jimmy Buffett from one of the songs you know by heart.

Yes. I really know them by heart. Wow. I could whip out a pencil thin mustache. Yes. Hard. That's funny. I feel like over the years you've not fully excavated this.

It's always just underneath the surface. Wow. Well, my father- If you're ever in the Hamptons, I'm bringing you up. You know the one time I went to the Hamptons last year for a wedding? You know who I ran into at a restaurant? Ramona Singer. Oh, boy.

Who doesn't know who I am, but I was walking- She Singer. Oh, boy. Who doesn't know who I am, but I was walking... She doesn't know who anybody knows. She barely knows who I am. She doesn't, right. I was walking by the hostess den where she was waiting, and she looks at me,

and she kind of goes, Hi. And I was like, Big fan. I'm like, not. Right. She goes, Oh, that's very sweet.

Thank you so much. That's good. Oh, that's very sweet. It's called Cecily Strong. That's Cecily Strong. Ramona is always on brand, which actually love about yeah there's a moment in the book where she asked me if i'm going to theresa's wedding she texts me are you going to yeah and i went to montana that weekend and i said no i'm going to montana she said ah i've always wanted to go

there and i said ramona didn't you go there in your season four trip when Aviva had asthma? And she goes, oh my God, I think you're right. I totally forgot. I'm like, authentically herself. Wow. Bowen ran into her one time on the street. I ran into her one time on the street. This was like six years ago.

I was walking home from work. She'd just come out of a van with three other women, walking into, I want to say, Balthazar or something. And then I was shameless. Probably Bill Bouquet. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, okay, but go on.

But I did the thing where I was just like, can I get a pic? I knew what I was dealing with. Yes. I skipped the pleasantries. What was the turndown? There was no turndown. Oh, she did it? She did it, but she...

Wow, I'm stunned. Do it quick. Do it quick. Do it quick. It was do it quick, and then the smile for the camera and then I said thank you

dust no eye contact walked in I love having these well now it's different because I think obviously they know

who you are I've been on Watch What Happens Live a bunch they may know who I am but like now you meet them and it's a little bit different

but back in the day when that could happen huge like I have a couple favorite interactions, which was, okay. One time Garcelle came on this podcast. It was virtual. She was lovely. We had a really good episode.

Yeah. Are you close with her? Cause it seems like you guys are close. I really like her. I really like her a lot. She's amazing on the show. Yeah, she is. She's excellent.

Yeah. She's really good. Cause I was listening to like, I was reading the book and it was funny because a lot of the events that you have Garcelle and Rinna at like they're together yes and then it must have turned

in the moment no what was interesting is they spoke at my Hollywood star yes and there was a whole thing that happened around that because that was three days before

I got my star in Hollywood or two days before they returned from Aspen where the Kathy Hilton thing happened and all of a sudden it's all on TMZ what happened there's all these allegations and we're like who is leaking it and Rin is calling me saying I gotta bring this up on the show I it

didn't happen on camera but I have to bring it up and all this stuff and I was like look you do what you gotta do you know say your piece you know and I was saying to her, I just, you know, think about the optics. Think about if this is going to land for you, but do whatever you want to do. But it was so wild because we were trying to figure out who from the cast was leaking shit. Yeah, because it had to be one of them, right? She and Garcelle were not in a good place at that moment. And there they are getting up to represent all the housewives at my star thing. And this Kathy Hilton thing was happening.

It was very fraught. When someone comes to you like that, like when Irina comes to you like that, it's like, I am intent on doing this thing and you have to let me do it or whatever. Not that they're asking you permission. Right. What do you think is the missing thread for them? Like, what do you want to tell them and be like? Well, no, sometimes with that one, I was like, look was like look do whatever you you know she felt very strongly about it she was very upset and i said do

what you want to but i remember saying to her look the perception is that you're going after everybody and so i just don't know how this is going to land. Yeah. Basically. But do you. Yeah. And then it landed how it did. Totally. Well, yeah, very prescient of you because it backfired. Totally. 100%.

I was shocked when they actually went as deep into it on that reunion as they did when Erica was like, well, Kathy, you called the guy a faggot. Yes. I was like, and then at that point, you're kind of like, well, why would they go there? Why would she bring that word into it if that did not happen? I don't see a world. Where Erica just makes that up. Where Erica says the word faggot on reality television for no reason.

Unless it's that diabolical, which I just don't believe Erica is. I'm coming back around on Erica Jane. And my thing is like, I'm really looking forward to, and I know you cannot confirm or deny, but a more fun Beverly Hills season. Like I would like to see. That season was pretty great. Excuse me. No, no, no.

Not even. Here, listen to me. Hold on. Can I just say. That's not what I'm saying, but yeah. Maybe this is my rant. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have two little rants.

One is, it's so upsetting as a producer of the show that first of all, it's a balancing act because everybody's passion is what fuels these shows and it's so great. But as a producer, you want to save what is happening for, you know, you want people to find out on the show. It's so fun watching Succession and not knowing what's going to happen. And, you know, there's so many leaks and every time the cast is out filming, it's like, online, oh, they were arguing about something.

Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong. What I don't like is that half the time the response is, oh, this season looks so boring. It's like, well, you don't know what's happening. But I feel that Beverly Hills, for years, got a bad rap as, you know, nothing's happening. Why are we still talking about it? It's slow. And then last season,

which was drama-packed. It really was. Every episode, it was shocking. It was sensational. And now you're saying, why can't we have a little fun? They'll get along better, maybe. That's what I'm saying. That's how I feel about Atlanta. I want them to get along better.

I would agree. What I'm saying about Beverly Hills is, it was very dark. And Hills is it was very dark and the way it ended with Kyle being the way it was. I was so upset. I was so upset. Very upset. There was a moment where Garcelle turned to me at the reunion. This may be in the book and kind of,

it was while Kathy and Kyle were, and she kind of mouthed to me like, what are we doing? Something like that. And it was, and she kind of mouthed to me like, what are we doing? Something like that. And it was, and when there's, when there's shit with sisters or sister-in-laws, whatever, you know, that's when you sit there and think, oh man, this is rough. Is that the feeling? But I, but I understand what you're saying about fun.

We love fun. Yes. I mean, we, our favorite right now, I texted you this, is the Housewives of Miami. We cackle. We scream. I love it. It's so... When Adriana, first of all, when she squeak, squeak, squeak, the wheelchair coming down. Did you guys add that in?

You had to have added that in. That's a really good question. You know, we don't love sound effects. Okay, then... I always put in my notes, take that out. Uh-huh. But I don't... That's a really good question.

No, but if that's sticking with you, then I believe that it's real. And that's hilarious. It's so funny. But also, what about Adriana's letter from Marisol's liver? I mean, that was the reason why I reached out. It was. Did we talk about that? I reached out to you.

I was like, I need to, next time I'm in the clubhouse, see that frame. It's sitting on my desk at home because it has to be a BravoCon. No, it's going to be a BravoCon. It has to. I took it. I was like, I need this. But what you need to know about that was

I had just spent solidly 20 minutes, half hour trying to negotiate peace between Marisol and Adriana. And we kind of got there. Yeah. Adriana then says, one more thing. Yeah. I have this.

And I'm like, oh, okay. And I open it, and I'm like, oh, this is bad. Because I see who it's from, Marisol's liver. I'm like, but I have to say that I remember going home that night. I popped my edible of choice, which is a Chibichu 10 milligram sativa, which gets me exactly the right high every time. And I want you to protect your voice. You are a singer.

You need it. Move to the edibles. This isn't working out for you. Find your high and stay with it. The great thing about an edible is you find your dose and then it's there and it gets you the same high every time. We were with Ben Platt the other night at the muna concert and he says to me because he was

whispering because he has to be in parade and i was like i just realized why you're whispering and i was like it's such a bummer when i have to get ready to tour and stuff and i'm going to record soon because i love weed and he loves weed right and then he said to me well you know it's not the smoking that drives you out it's actually the thc itself what so even when you do an edible and that's from ben platt best singer in the world my mom is so upset that i am not married to ben it is all she's like why can't you marry ben platt and she's met the mother i mean it's like he's one of my favorite people like that we've gotten to meet through this oh that's great like he's become a genuine friend to us i love noah and i will say have've gotten to meet through this. Oh, that's great. Like, he's become a genuine friend to us.

I love Noah. And I was like, have you gotten to see Parade yet? Who's Noah? Noah Galvin is his fiance. Oh, you're kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen Parade yet?

I haven't. I need to. Seeing it next Thursday. Oh, shit. I have to give up my ticket. Why? I have to be in London the whole night.

I'll take it. We're going to London to see Beyonce. When are you seeing Renaissance? You know what? My summer concert is Madonna because I'm so old. I'm such an old girl. I don't have tickets yet, but I want to.

You know what? I have a MetLife aversion. Oh, wow. Completely understandable. It is literally a trap. If you don't leave at the right time, you will be there for three hours after. You believe we're going to be doing that twice? I left.

There's a moment in the book. I went and saw McCartney at MetLife. And we left, Hickey and the book I went and saw McCartney at MetLife and we left Hickey and I, I made him leave and we raced out of there and we missed the encore he did a duet with John Lennon on the screen

and I was like you know what, it's okay we went to Gaga and then we had to walk past the train. It's so bad. It's so bad. The only place the Uber could pick us up was on the side of the highway.

Yeah, we had to literally go to the side of the highway. And then I remember when I saw Taylor do Reputation, I mean, we love a rain show in the moment. It was pouring, and she was killing it. Afterwards, it was a nightmare. And then we're going to see Eris May 28th. May 28th. How'd you get your Taylor tickets? I'm having a very hard time for my niece.

Uh-huh. I just paid too much for them. Oh, okay. Is the answer. Yeah. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that.

Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me?

I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer.

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founding partner of I heart women's sports. Now, before we ask you the question, I did sort of want to get into it with you. Okay. About the way I come up in your book, because we had agreed to sleep under the rug. happened one evening in april of 2022 okay when i made my debut on watch what happened that was your clubhouse debut and who were you on with karen huger the grand yes that was an explosive

that was a layup for you i want you to know i got my call that that was going to happen i was in the makeup trailer for i love that for you yeah and i And I, like, I think turned to Molly. Yeah. And was like, I'm going to be on with Molly. Because they know. Yeah. I Love That For You is a huge Housewives set. Yes. So everyone loves it.

Vanessa, Molly, you know. Yeah. So, like, I'm like, I'm going to be on with Karen Uger. It was like a moment. I almost got, like, emotional about it. I love it. Because I love Karen so much. So then they say, we want you to do an I Don't Think So, Honey.

Yeah. I had just seen an episode of New Jersey where I think Gia overstepped. Yeah. Yes. And let me say, 21-year-old Gia.

Yes, yes, yes. So, who's in a full beat in a confessional. Yes, yes. And can I ask you, does that mean getting paid or no?

Um, I cannot confirm or deny. Got it. So, getting paid and like, getting into it with Joe Gorga. And you see her as an adult. And I see her as, here's what I see her as.

I see her as a player on the show. Right. And so the way she's getting into it and the way that I know Teresa will act if anyone engages with her. Yeah. And that to me is illegal. That's an illegal move in Housewives. It's for me to bring my daughter into it. And then you can see in Joe Gorga's eyes,

like, are you actually doing this for your mother? And are we going to get into it? Am I going to be the uncle that's going to have to set you right on television? So I went on Watch What Happens Live and with my I Don't Think So Honey, I did I Don't Think So Honey Gia Giudice. It was savagely funny it was shocking it was surprising it was very pointed and it had a lot

of emotion behind it and i was like i had my cards in front of me. I was recusing myself. I said, the views expressed here do not represent, you know, whatever. Karen was shook. And by the way, after a triumphant debut performance on the show from you. And so I walked into the control room and my executive producer, who's such a good. Deirdre, we love. Deirdre. She's a really good just. Gauge.

Gauge for things and sometimes you know i'll go in and i'll be like was i too pervy tonight and she'll be like yes you were so gross and then we you know and so i was like well was that too much like what do you you know because i was worried about the call i was going to get from teresa like that's my daughter what are you doing and i understand that she's 21 but it know, she's still a kid in our eyes. Do I understand? Yeah, exactly. And very cool.

So we were sitting there. We were like, what are we going to do? And we were on tape that day. And we went into, I went into Matt's dressing room and I said, listen, I think that was a little too much. And here's my concern. And he were so cool. And you thought of something different, which was Evan Goldschneider is the hottest house husband. It's not Mauricio.

Which I've never tracked. And we went in. He, from his brain, did another brilliant rant. Thank you, boo. And he was so professional. And we were all so blown away. And we were also so, you you know and i was worried that he was gonna then blast me on the podcast never never never like we made him change i was gonna go to

my grave with that so then i guess yeah i did put it in the you put it in the book in the book but i put it in as a compliment to you because it was called you call it a total pro yes and he was it really elevated you in my eyes. Oh, thanks. It did. Well, they said you're in the book. I was like, what's he saying about me in the book? And then I realized it's the Gia thing. And I was floored because I thought the Gia thing was lost to time.

But I'm happy that it's out there now. It's out there. Because that's how I feel. And they don't have to know what you said necessarily. Yeah. But see, okay, but on the subject of like this, I'm going to get a call from Teresa about this. Yes. I was kind of shocked to learn that like these women are really texting you every damn day. I tried to put a lot of the inane stuff in there so that people could see, but I also think it's so funny. Yeah.

I think. I think it's hilarious. And I only put parts of it in. Of course. Of course. But it's like, I didn't realize the jockeying was this jockeying. But like, I feel like it's so interesting that you, that they have this direct line to you where you are kind of brokering like their livelihoods in a way. You know, the ones that have been on the longest, I have the closest relationship to and feel the most.

There are, I would say most of the new women, if we're in contact it's on dm or it's very ginger or cursory there's a moment where i'm super high walking through the parking lot before a dead and company show where john mayer has just asked me if i want to introduce the band at city field which is like a huge fantasy and i'm'm super high, and I was really, and I started to get nervous, and my heart's beating. Vicky starts texting me. This is a Friday night in New York City in the summer.

She starts texting me going nuts. She said, I heard you were talking about my stance on vaccines on the show, and how dare you, and all this stuff, and I was like, Vicky,

I was talking about something that you said is in ultimate girls trip it's on tv i wasn't putting you on blast whatever and we're getting into it and i'm really high and then finally i said um listen i'm in a grateful dead show at a dead in company show we will deal with this on monday and she goes oh i love the grateful dead talk to you later. Have fun, honey. And I'm like, okay, that's that. It's like so surreal often

that you have to put it in there. Yeah. You know? I just, that's perfect to anecdote because I feel like, please just go with this. Okay.

But I feel like you and Lorne are very similar in this way where you do have to, like Lorne, I think thinks of us as his children. I feel like you, I don't know if it's quite that same like, you know of family like i mean michaels is lauren michaels

so but we're not all texting him every day being like put me in the center sketch you know like yes like you know listen i produce a show about women with no boundaries so i remember years ago when kind of when texting was start. I mean, it was really it was it had already started. But Gretchen Rossi and Slade Smiley would text me at all hours. Go back with me on Orange County. Do you? Oh, yeah. I'm not.

OK. Anyway. And I would be like, what? Yeah. It's one in the morning in New York. Yeah. What is happening? But then they don't know that either.

And I would imagine that because that was the first one and then it's New York, it probably gets easier. I would imagine that if there's a franchise of women you're the least close with, it's probably Salt Lake and Dubai. You know what I mean? Because the boundary is now established. Exactly, yes. It's something different.

Because you've hit critical mass in terms of letting these people have access to it. Right. You have to put the rope up. If there's some major trauma happening or something bad, I'll be like, here's my number. I remember last year, Heather Gay was going through a really hard time and I was talking to her before Watch What Happens Live

and listen, it's hard being a housewife. Everyone's judging every fucking thing and whatever. And I gave her my number and I said listen call me if you ever need to like me to talk you off the ledge because this isn't as bad

as you think you know whatever but that's a situation where you want to be available yes before we ask the question

I think I should clear up something oh I love it we clear this up before Matt and I went on Watch What Happens Live in June last year yeah yeah yeah I just went in being like I think I should clear up something. Oh, I love it. We clear this up before Matt and I went on Watch What Happens Live in June last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just went in being like, I think I had suspected.

You thought I was mad at you. I thought you were mad at me. Banned from the show. I was like, I haven't been asked back. It's been, you know, a year and a half and change. Right. I think Andy hates me. I think I offhandedly used the word.

I might be like probably, LOL, banned on the pod. Of course, New York Post picks. Page Six picks this up. Well, but go back before that. Okay, so yes, yes. Of course. What did you say? I, maybe like, in a different, analogous way to Matt, was

very excited to be on. I was on during the Zoom business with Monique Samuel. And I was later on with Candice. Think about that. Wow. Touch points. Touch points, Monique. Anyway, she was in front of her aquarium. Right. Yes. You were on She Loves an Exotic Animal.

You were on remotely during COVID summer. In the immediate aftermath of the wine fight. It was the immediate aftermath, excuse me, of George Floyd. Yeah. So this context is very important. Of course.

It was about a week or two after George Floyd. It was. So we were all on high alert. And I was quizzing Bowen on his housewives opinions, hot takes. And he declared that Ramona singer was like a kkk racist white supremacist right and with that george floyd context i feel like those words were being thrown around a lot listen yeah no it's fine here's the thing we wound up editing it out of the show of course because. Because of it was right after George Floyd and everything

was so electric that we just didn't need the narrative to be expressed on Watch What Happens Live and then what was I saying to that and so we cut it out and I think you tweeted when the episode airs they

cut out me saying calling Ramona a you know, whatever. And I think you might have tweeted one other thing and I can't remember what it was. So yeah, we were a little salty about it because we were also kind of trying to protect you and her

and whatever and just trying to put something in the thing. So then you said on the pod at some point you thought you were banned and then that got picked up. I think maybe you were on pause. I was on pause! Can we say when we saw Dorinda at the Out100

event, oh bitch, and this is not, this is just her, she kept she kept bringing that she kept using that phrase, she was like, well I'm on pause, I'm on pause, I'm on pause, and I was like, oh so this is just Ultimate Girls Trip. Randy Gl glanville saying you were fired like that was so i mean ultimate girl trip too was fucking it was my absolute fantasy and it came true i absolutely loved it calling those women and getting to tell hiring them yeah oh wow it was

so great i called brandy glanville. She's like, what did I do? I go, Brandy, I am calling to offer you a job. She's like, what? It was so happy. Anyway, that's the backstory with Bowen. Perfect. Yes. I want to apologize.

You already did. It was nothing. It was in the context of that moment. You know what I mean? Totally. Yes. It was in the context of that moment. You know what I mean? Totally. Yes. It was just an electric moment. Of course.

And I just, it's that thing where you go, oh, I might have like completely alienated myself from this thing that I love. And then I'm like, oh, you know, sorry. No, no, no. And it's nobody's fault. And like, you would have gotten a call from Ramona. And honestly, I was, it would have been, I think getting a call from Ramona would have been the least because it may be, you know,, it would have been, I think getting a call from Ramona would have been the least because it

maybe, you know, it probably would have been picked up all over. It just, it just at that moment in time, of course, it was just the moment in time. Well,

this all being said, Ramona was absolutely brutal on those issues. And I also think like, it's funny cause you talk about the last season of New York and I want to ask about the new season. And Roni plays a part. You see in the book, the evolution of that plan.

And so I always felt like watching that last season of Roni, which I thought actually started stronger than people give it credit for. I remember when the first episode came on, I was like, oh, thank God these are the funniest women. I'm so excited. And then I think when you have the five of them, and it was only five of them together, and it's people as varying as Leah and Ebony and Lou and Sonia and Ramona. It's like, if all you have is really to sit with each other, because you can't talk to anyone during COVID, and you're all so, not even just disparate on the issues, you, like, ideologically, in terms of, like, the level of capability to discuss the issues you're never going to get there i always felt like i would have loved to have seen more of a chance to bond with women that were like-minded because while i think of the conflict but now it's like you know we've moved on and we have the new women which i'm like really excited because they're friends because

they're friends they are friends also you know I want to say that that was rough. That season got so much heat and people were so upset about it. And that's your baby. Exactly. I love that show. I mean, it's the best. Yes.

You know, but we were at a real fork in the road with Roni and there was a lot going on and it was really unclear how to proceed and I, you know, look, I just thought that was the best plan to do a legacy and do a brand new Roni

and the thing about the brand new Roni and I love it and it's new, it's a new show and it's so, I think it's gonna be, I just want people to watch it. It's hard to watch it and not think about, I think it's going to be, I just want people to watch it. It's hard to watch it. Like it's a new show. And not think about, but where's Sonya and where's,

you know, it's like, it's a totally different show. Now, there will be Roni Legacy. There will be good news coming out about that. Also, I want to say, you guys, welcome to Crappy Lake. Luann and Sonya's show. to say you guys welcome to crappy lake oh you guys it's I've only seen four episodes it is I watch them all I have nothing to do with the show I didn't develop it I have nothing to do with it I have no stake in the game except that

I love these women it is like the the simple life it's the menopausal simple life. And they are every moment is gif-able. The shit coming out of both of their mouths and I don't want to betray. It is a comedy like no other. I called them all the next day

I was like I'm blown away out of my mind. It is spectacular so you will get some of the fun of Roni I'm blown away out of my mind. It is spectacular. So you will get some of the fun of Roni from those two in this small town. And I think we're good. You know what I mean? I honestly, when that press release came out about the decision, which by the way, I think I even texted the group chat that day.

And I was like, oh, Andy's a genius. This is a genius thing. And it was so funny to hear the housewives find out the same time as everyone else we had to well that was in the book it was in the book I talked about

that we had to let all of the rony women know like one minute before we divided and conquered and we're like texting them and the night before

Lou had been on Watch What Happens Live in the middle in a commercial break she was like so what's happening with the show darling we need to talk and she was like, so what's happening with the show, darling? We need to talk.

And I was like, okay, let's talk tomorrow at two. Because I knew that at 2.05, the thing was coming out. I was like, little does she know, we do have news here. But the Roni cast is, they are the biggest leakers. And that's what happened with the Roni legacy contracts.

It was like they were all leaking shit about the thing and then we wound up pulling the deal. We were like you know what? We can't do this. You're going to laugh. We were in Miami for New Year's which is why we couldn't join you. Yes, I wanted you on with Anderson and I. Which would have been a blast but we

had plans to go to Miami and we were on vacation and who was there but Ali Zarin. Right. In a sea of gay menarin right in a sea of gay men like it's a sea of gay men and Ali Zarin with her like husband or something I don't know

boyfriend? I don't know maybe a guy a guy that she was with like a straight guy? I think so I think she was there

with a hetero it was just very funny and so we were talking to her and I was like what's going on with Legacy? and she's like well you know they gotta offer

Bravo money not Peacock money and I almost wanted to tell her like don't push that right yeah take what they're gonna offer but i was of course in miami and on substances and i couldn't get into it with ali you're like this is not the moment but i remember going cross-eyed and being like oh they're gonna fuck that up they're gonna fuck that up that's funny well anyway like wait vanderpump vanderpump okay so in what's going on with all of this because i think this is the craziest shit that's ever happened on bravo maybe we have sandoval here and ariana so when you are thinking of them as people in your life that you've known now for over 10 years yes like when you hear this has happened yeah what is the process there is it like oh my god this show is about to explode or is

it initially like what the fuck like who do you text my initial the executive producer texted me the morning after the famous sheena and raquel appearance on Watch What Happens Live. Which is also surreal that that happened that night. It happened that night. I have the TomTom sweatshirt in my home, and he texted and said, you will never believe, but this all came out last night. I was like, what?

And I called him. Called Tom. No, I called Alex Baskin and I said and I was like where are the cameras but my first reaction was I couldn't believe it

and where are the cameras like what are we doing how are we covering this and they were and that was my first reaction just to like

keep it on the surface and I was like okay who's booked on watch what happens live next week and we were gonna pull I can't remember what it was but I was like we need a vanderpump person and we need to be

live and then it was we had been toying with having jacks on and and so and then we were like oh my god jacks would be so great to comment and then we said you know what he's not the first one we want to hear from yeah so then we called vanderpump and said come on and it was really good that she was on she was the first voice she seemed like the president she did it really we were all done yes and she also was very good at she and i talked beforehand and i said i think we need to kind of let the steam out of everybody because I was worried because these are real people and I was just making sure like have we offered them

the show of psychologist are we you know what I mean like how is their mental health because this is not only going on in their lives but fans are coming for them with like torches and so you do have to think about that and you know Sandoval's from st louis

my hometown so i always had this vibe with him and people were like why do you and by the way i follow him on instagram he's from st louis and everyone was like why are you still following him and i was like if i unfollow him then it becomes a story and And it's like, on page six, he unfollowed. So it's like, just calm down. Did you hear about the show on Monday? Yeah. Bummer. Or just a bummer that it seemed some SNL people went. Right.

Then he changed the lyrics? Or was it a bummer that a lot of people were there? From the accounts that we're getting are that it was sparsely attended. Oh, it was. And then the people who were there were there shouting. As a joke. As a joke. And here's my thing is it's like I'm 50-50 on that because

it's like people can spend their money wherever they want if they want to go. But my thing is that I'm sure should happen is that he should cancel this tour. And that to me speaks to me to a larger Tom Sandoval thing and I always liked Sandoval and what I saw of him. I think that

he needs to really assess the fact and realize the fact that he is a narcissist and that he has tendencies that keep putting him out there but by the way Vanderpump Rules is a stew pot full of narcissists but I don't know if textbook like actual definition of that word we get into that almost at every housewives reunion someone says you're a narcissist and I say we're narcissists. The cameras are there and we're in front of them. And then someone says, this is the definition. I'm like, oh, you're right. Like Donald Trump is a narcissist.

And I think that this is part of what maybe you're saying also. You're not helping him. He's not for sure. But also, conversely, what I always say to Housewives who are in the middle of something where people are really mad at them, I always say, get off Twitter because this doesn't exist outside of Twitter. Because when you're on the street and you're at your most hated, I guarantee people are trying to come up to you and talk to you. Now, I don't know what people are saying to Tom Sandoval, but I also, and this is in the book, I hated it that Lisa Rinna got booed at BravoCon. I'm like, you guys, she showed up, you know?

And so I just thought that was, I don't like that, you know? Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's what kind of makes it like the stand-in for the soap in an ugly way, kind of, because we're invested in the minutia of their lives. We are. And then when someone does something villainous because every show needs one right they occupy an actual villain space in our minds and then they are real ultimately it's not erica kane yes but it's also

doing this thing where like the water cooler moment gets split into two where it works out like what's on the show yeah what's airing and what's like happening at the concurrently in real life yeah and on social media which has to be a very weird thing it's weird to show, what's airing, and what's happening concurrently in real life. Yeah, and on social media, which has to be a very weird thing to deal with. It's like, I remember watching the Beverly Hills reunion, and it felt like we had to talk about so many things that were

happening on social media, and it's almost like they don't really have answers, because it's also like, you get the sense that not every woman on these shows necessarily knows how to do or handle social media. Like the Diana Jenkins of it all. The Diana Garcelle thing was just so frustrating to watch because it was just like, I don't think you can even, not literally, but not know. You're not speaking the same language here.

And so that made it frustrating. But anyway, we can't wait to see the vanderpump reunion it's just surreal to watch these these scenes of ariana so fervently like go in for her friends you know i mean she's she's such a good person and she rides so hard for tom and raquel and to watch them just lie to her face it's like with tom sandoval it just has to be narcissism and he just can't necessarily like get out of his own way and I think Raquel you know she just

she's just lost guileless she just needs she needs to assess but I'm sure this is coming is she she posted a photo of her like in front of some

beautiful castle Scottish castle I'm happy that she's at the castle me too the real housewives of Salt Lake City Me too Disgusting! Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends! How could you do this to me?

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through our studio here at las culturistas and that is what is the culture that made you say culture is for me this is a formative pop culture that made andy cohen andy cohen all my children yes all my children i was on live with kelly and mark yesterday and ken jenner hailey and mateo i played against them in an All My Children Jeopardy. The whole board was All My Children. I cleaned up. I won so heartily. Who is Janet from another planet?

I know, totally. I'm like the glamorama. Who is Myrtle Fargate? Who are Jenny and Greg? Who is Opal? Yes, literally. I was wild. And I was obsessed with that show.

That was my gateway. And I feel like it has informed everything about how I approach the Housewives. When we were developing the Housewives of Orange County, I was like, wait, they all go to the same tennis club? Okay, so this is localized. Like in Pine Valley, they all went to the Chateau. They all did this. And I found what i love about orange county i always refer to it as heritage storytelling i think i maybe made it up

and it's just that our vault on orange county is a 17 year vault so when Tamra says, this coming season, which is a return to form for Orange County, by the way, but when she says, you know, Ryan's had a rough time, we can flashback 15 years to Ryan and his stepdad fighting

and you understand. So like, you know, on All My Children, they had flashbacks going back 20 years when I married you, when I said whatever.

The flashbacks, the returning characters. Give me Laurie Waring stepping in in season 10 and activating Vicky all over again because she married the rich guy. I love that. And I think that the housewives are the modern soap opera. Yes. And I think that I always say when we part ways with a housewife, I always say you will always be a housewife. You'll always be in this community.

And we will call you back at the right moment. I promise you may think it's over right now, but we will bring you back into the game at some point. And I think it's cool for the viewers. I would love it on all my children when Nina came back for a week for a wedding whatever it is

you could be like Kendall or Kane's daughter and leave as Sarah Michelle Gellar and come back as someone else yes Eden Riggle Eden Riggle

Eden Riggle or Riggle oh my god but it's just so funny we were in Disney World a couple weeks ago and we were walking past

you guys have so much fun. I mean, you're literally going to Miami and talking about like the pool at the fucking, what is it? Standard? The Delano?

The Standard. I know. And the Delano. I know. Listen, I have a lot of fun. I mean, I now have two kids.

I know. Trust me. My fun is different. But it seems like you've balanced it so well. Just reading from the book, like, oh, so funny to read like, went to Planet Pride. It was fun. And I was like you've balanced it so well. Just reading from the book, like, oh, so funny to read,

went to Planet Pride. It was fun. And I was like, we were there. Yeah, I left some stuff out of that entry. Of course.

Yeah, I'm sure. I think it's an entry. That evening is an entry we all are spotty on. Yeah, right. I gotta say,

when Galantis went on, I was on another planet. I think I was too. Well, we were walking in Disney World and there was a huge picture of Kelly and Mark. And every time I see them,

I just think Haley and Matteo. And then I think, you're such close friends with Kelly and such a fan of All My Children. Were you a friend of hers when she started on the show? I met her when she was off the show. And I had been such a big fan of hers.

And I remember when she was trying out for the Kathie Lee replacement. And I was like, oh my God. And the first time I had been such a big fan of hers and I remember when she was trying out for the Kathy Lee replacement and I was like oh my god and the first time I met her I was a producer at CBS News she was in the lobby of CBS on West 57th Street waiting for someone something and the daytime Emmys had just happened and she had just lost to Heather Tom who played Victoria Newman on Young and the Restless and I went up to her and I was like, first of all, you have to get the Kathie Lee job. And second of all, I hate that Heather Tom is a bitch. She didn't deserve that award.

Like, I went crazy. And Kelly's like, I love you. Anyway, so then I saw her years later at Bryant Gumbel's Christmas party. It was 14 years ago. We became 15. And I was just licking her all over. And Mark. And then we became friends.

And I was like, I cannot believe I'm friends with these guys. That picture of them together, they're just glowing and shining. And I'm like, who would ever doubt that this is exactly what this show needs to do? Mark is so brutally hot. He is so brutal.

And like they are obviously. His arms are very jacked right now. I would bet. And what I love about them is they're so obviously so into each other. And they have banter all the time. But beyond that, you know what I love about them? What? They fuck like bunnies.

Like they really do. They just do. And they've been together for a long time. Like they really do. They just do. And they've been together for a long time. And they talk about it. And we talk about it. And I love it. I love it. I love that.

You were saying that while we were walking past them. You were like, they're so horny for each other. Yeah, they are horny for each other. That's one of my favorite things about them. I remember being a little kid. Like when my mother, I think I'd be homesick from school at some point, and my mother would have all my children on. And I remember there would be steamy scenes between Haley and Mateo.

Those might have been formative for me, honestly. When I was a little kid, didn't you also watch All My Children? It was one of the only English language shows that my mom would watch. Wow. In Montreal? We would get it in Canada, And like when we moved to America, like she would be like, I can hear her in her accent saying all my children.

I have a fetish for, basically, well, here's the thing. If I had to pick a category of porn, like early eighties, no, just early eighties guys,

the hairdos and their bodies. And those guys on the soaps would wear Don Diamant on Young and the Restless. Michael Corbett on Young and the Restless. And they would wear these. Sonny from General Hospital, that's his name. Maurice Bernard. I was never a big Maurice Bernard. But they would all wear Speedos all the time.

And that's where my Speedo thing. Sexually formative. Sexually formative for all of us. Formative through soaps. My blind spot is for all their soaps except Passions. Passions was huge. Passions was a sci-fi soap. It was NBC.

I was never a big NBC soap guy. My mother had on the ABC ones because it all spoke to each other. You could see the crossover between General Hospital, Port Charles, and Pine Valley. I just remember Eric Cain was the biggest celebrity in our home. Eric Cain and Jimmy Buffett. Oh, that's so funny. Which is how I came to be.

You're coming to the Buffetts with me. I would love that. No, you are. You have to let me know when you're coming to the Hamptons. That might be the reason I go to the Hamptons. Do you know my Susan Lucci story? No. I'm going to tell it to you very quickly. It's in my first book, Most Talkative, Stories from the Front Lines of Pop Culture, which is my memoir. Do you usually have a brand that you sell?

Am I usually super shilly? You know I am. Sorry. Anyway, I am such a shill. I will drop any name. I'm such a shill. I love it. I'm waiting one day to let my vault open because it's not like yours, but we're picking things

up over time. You probably have crazy shit. But you know what? I have a book imprint and I was trying a few years ago to get Aidy to do a diary. I was like, I would love to know. She's so smart and funny and her observations are so good. She's such a good writer. And I was like, the diary format is, which is what my new book is.

I love the format. I love the diary format. And it's inspired by the Andy Warhol diaries, which I loved when I was 20. And I was like, that came out. And I was like, that came out and I was like, this is everything to me. But it is a license to drop names and talk about who you ran into and where you went. And it's like a dishy kibbitzy thing. I digress. I was in a news writing and reporting class at Boston University. The assignment was interview a famous person.

They said, shoot for the stars. I wrote letters to Sam Donaldson's publicist and Susan Lucci's publicist. I wrote what must have been the gayest letter to Susan Lucci's publicist. Long story short, the publicist said, Susan, we'll do this with you. I flew to New York. She was my first celebrity I ever met. And you need to know she was like my Madonna, everything. My first diva, really. I mean my madonna everything my first diva really i mean diana ross was my first diva my first tv diva she was everything flew to new york she came out of the double doors at all my children i was told to go in the lobby miss susan lucci you have a guest in the lobby i'm like they're just paging susan lucci She's Susan Lucci. Double doors open, full length fur coat, red knit dress, red huge hoop earrings, huge mane of 80s hair, 1989.

Oh, my God. You must be Andrew. I hope you like Mexican food because I'm taking you out to lunch. And there began a whole relationship and we are still, we are still. Really? Yes. She's a legend. A legend.

I mean, Erica Kane is the, the soap opera. I mean, would we call her a villain? She was. She has been. She was very self-centered.

The truth of the matter is she did some really mean shit and during August, when I was on, not a vacation with my kids because that doesn't exist, a trip with my kids in the Hamptons for three weeks, which just turned out to be misery. I was going to bed every night at like nine at night.

I discovered there is a treasure trove, why I ever doubted it would exist, on YouTube of 80s episodes in sequence of all my children. And they're all there. And I was watching. Watching Lucci's scenes she's so good she's great and yeah she was

she was a villain she was a bitch she was very self-centered and said very nasty things she was on the show for what 50 years something like that

I mean so she had I guess the character had to like grow and change it was a Saturday how did you get the number for the publicist I don't know I don't know

I think I called the ABC studio I have no idea wow yeah Jay Mulf number for the publicist? I don't know. I don't know. I think I called the ABC studio. I have no idea. Yeah, Jay Mulford was the publicist. The granularity of detail. I remember every moment. And I have the entire interaction with Lucci, one hour on a cassette tape that I've changed.

I have it all. And once she was on my radio show and I played excerpts of it. It was so painful for me to listen to because I'm interrupting her at every second. I am gayer than any human being has ever been but she just went with it.

No, I mean I bet it's like hugely fun, especially at that time. You know what I mean? Where it feels like their relationships to their fans was different. Nowadays it's like not happening that someone even gets contacted directly. Well, but now you could DM them. Right, but that's like, it comes with a whole

other... And say, come on my YouTube thing on Zoom. Like when we DMed Wendy Osefo. There you go. Wow. Dr. Wendy Osefo was my Erica Kane, I guess. I love it. I mean, we DMed Wendy Osefo live while doing an episode of Lost College, And she responded live.

Yeah, by the end of the episode. And then it was a live booking. That's amazing. That's funny. She's great. What's the analog to Warhol? Because I'm sure people in the past have compared it to The Factory, right? Oh, that's funny.

Well, I've said for years that I think Warhol would be painting Housewives at some point or doing something. Yes. Because he was obsessed with making real people famous. And I think if you look at especially those early Orange County, it was a real sociological time capsule, that show. And Tom Shales, in his review of season one of Orange County, said it was a bad review, but he said someday people will look at this as a sociological time capsule of the nouveau riche living in a certain moment in time in Orange County

and it's true. And all their kitchens were the same. Vicky had this big piece of counter art that said Caliente on her island in her... Anyway. That's Tom Shales speaking as a true historian. But you talking about

you can cut back to something 14, 17 years ago. It's like a 4D tapestry It is. You see it. Incredible. I think my favorite thing about it is that aspect and also the, because I used to be years ago, I used

to be that person who used to say, I'll watch anything, I'm just never watching Housewives. Right. I'm not. I was kind of that way about the Kardashians. Right. You know? My thing is, maybe that was a little bit of, like, internalized homophobia or something,

or, like, whatever it was. But then when I finally started watching it, I remember someone suggested to me that I should start with Roni season seven when Bethany comes back. Okay. That was a great place to start for me because it was like happening in motion. It felt like the contemporary version of what it was at the time. And also Bethany was Bethany. I'm not remembering.

I forgot to text Bethany back. She was rapid fire texting me this morning. Her texts are like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. Anything relevant to our audience that you're texting with Bethany about? She texted me saying, I have the perfect cast for a legacy series. Text me. What do you think it is?

Guess, guess. What do you think? And I was like on The View at the time and couldn't text her back. Speaking of The View in New York, I wanted to tell you this. I texted you this. I think that there is a-

Oh, I told Sonny Hostin this. Did you say it came from me? I didn't because I forgot who told me. We drank with her in the Bahamas. Oh, right. I remember. What did she say when you pitched it to her? I said, I can't remember who, but it was someone of import.

Because I knew it wasn't like a random person. Any old person on the street being like, you know who's good? That's Sunny. Someone of import who has strong opinions. This is what I said. Said that you should be on Roni. And she said those girls couldn't handle me

and that's why but then she said which is a good and then she said something like I'm conflict diverse or something that's not true

she's on the view here's exactly why it's not true and this I'm going to tell you this in a nutshell is why she should be a housewife because here's the thing

and you're talking with Bethany and I almost feel like this would be beneficial for her too in a perfect world there was a day on the view where megan mccain was spouting off about her doing her thing and sunny bethany comes up bethany comes up and sunny goes oh right you know she wasn't very nice to my kids and megan uh uh uh and then sunny goes i'll tell the story we had a house next to each other in the hamptons bethany screamed at my kids and said to stop making noise at the beach during the day so i walked over there and knocked on the door and i said if you have a problem you don't scream at my kids you come to me and then on watch what happens live bethany said

yeah i think she's got a drug problem or a drinking problem or something and thus is my point this sunny was doing right housewives right there she was saying on camera you know what you got a very good point and also she's glamour yeah she's a professional she's engaged in her own life. I have to say, the new cast, they are all professionals. They have jobs. The glamour, they have great apartments. Well, Jenna Lyons, is Jenna Lyons giving?

She's giving. She's fascinating. She's a fascinating character, and she drives a lot of story without meaning to. Yeah. Okay. Also, the other reason why I think Sunny would be great is because when we did The View in the Bahamas, we flew down there,

and I think it was like right after we did our last Watch What Happens Live together. Yes, yes, yes. But we went down there, and it was so surreal, because don't you agree, they were all exactly on game. They were all being exactly what you think.

Yes. By the way, I had a dream that I put in the book. I dreamt one night that I was executive producer of The View, and I woke up the next morning with all these great ideas for The View, and I called a friend of mine at ABC who works kind of with The View, and I said, look, I'm giving you these. So Joy today on The View said, so you want to be our executive producer?

And I said, yeah. And I said, you. And I said, you know, with all due, I executive produce The Housewives. I don't think it's much different executive producing this show. I mean, have you read that book about The View? I mean, it's like, yeah, it's kind of The Housewives as a talk show in a way. The only thing I think that separates them is that I think the women of the view and i i've gotten this from sunny sometimes when like megan would talk about it and you know who else really likes the housewives is i think elissa farrah griffin yes she does and i get the sense that sunny feels like a little superior about it like no i'm not doing that and that is why we need her

on it yeah but what do you think is like the barrier, the self-imposed barrier on people who are like, ah, it's not for me? Well, I think the most common reason we lose housewives, who we're excited about. And by the way, we failed in integrating Roni. That was a horrible fail. It was an impossible situation. I'm not talking about Ebony. I'm saying that it took that long. But what you need to know is we had been more. I'm not talking about Ebony. I'm saying that it took that long.

But what you need to know is we had been more. Every season, there were people that we tried. And it is the most common reason we lose people. Husbands. There was someone so great that we almost had, I think in Bethany's either first season back or second, as long ago as that, we were really on it and trying every season. And this amazing person would have been so huge.

The husband first said, I will not appear at all. We were trying to negotiate. And then he stopped her from doing it. But that is the most common barrier. And then secondly, I think for someone like Sunny Austin, look, she's one of the stars of The View. She kind of doesn't need it. She certainly doesn't. If she left The View or if that ended, then maybe she might say, oh, I think this could be great. It could do such wonders.

It's a nice addition to her portfolio. Yes. Exactly. But speaking of The Husbands, I just really wanted to tell you this because it really educated me i guess is the whole robin thing where i was like oh i thought there was always this carefully calibrated distance between like what the house wives want to share about their lives and what they don't like and i thought like that was an agreed upon thing like for everyone involved like just whatever you want to share we won't like bust in there like and like force things out of you but like watching that interview on watch

what happens live i was like no no, this makes total sense. Like she had, this is her job. Well, but especially since the entire season was about women accusing everyone of infidelity. Right. And she had gone through it. And by the way, it would have been so relatable if she had said, you guys,

I don't really want to talk about the specifics but I busted Juan DMing with someone and here's how it affected me so this is serious what's going on and whatever. Everyone would have been like, oh my god, that was so cool that you shared. Vulnerable, yeah. This is a fan perspective that we have.

The green-eyed bandits have flown too close to the sun. I know you're very upset. Andy! No, I'm not. I am you're very upset. It is. Andy. No, I'm not. I am very upset, but I also, I stand with many people. Yes. We are legion. Here's what I think.

It's fine when you have a housewife that is a producer type. You know what I mean? They're on the ground and they know how to get it. When they think that makes them invisible and they don't have to participate as well. But it's so conspicuous. It's not even invisible. Well, it's like you said. It's sweaty.

It's sweaty. It's sweaty. It's Giselle thinking, yeah, I know the producers. Whatever. I can do what I want. Oh, that's what you think? What I think is that I think. You think she thinks she has special sway with the producers? I think so.

I think that she probably sees herself more in like on their level than with the rest of oh interesting i don't know you know the thing about potomac that you have to remember is those are almost all yes yes so you've got four of them yeah karen giselle ashley robin who have been on since day one. Since forever, yeah. So it's hard to put one apart. It feels like Potomac has been our favorite franchise. Yeah, I know. And I think that what's hard

is seeing the Wendy and Candice get pushed to the point where they won't even speak to Wendy. I know. And that, to me, would only happen with someone who thought they were better than the show. Right. Because if you didn't think you were better than the show, then you would play with other cast members.

But Giselle won't look at Wendy. She won't engage with Wendy. She won't tolerate Wendy. She won't allow other people to do it. And now it's rubbed off on Robin, who I think does sort of like feel like a little bit of a lackey to Giselle. I know it's like people say that whatever. They're both their own people but like it feels like

not good. What I will say is that I think you'll be surprised by some stuff that's happening right now in the field. Okay. We ride hard for Wendy. We don't want to see her get ignored. I don't either. Yeah, good. There's been internal notes

see and then grab my hand when we speak up we get answers all we have to do as a fan community is keep making our voices heard and that's with voting that's with housewives voting is the answer

my favorite thing about housewives though is the way that these women and it's actually helped me in my life the way they navigate conflict styles i actually i will be honest with you i used to be the kind of person who would not say how say something was bothering me watching housewives i saw people explain why they're feeling a certain way and i said maybe i'll never act like that and maybe i would act like that i think it's like sometimes it becomes inexplicable why you're feeling a certain way. And I said, maybe I'll never act like that. And maybe I would act like that. I think it's like, sometimes it becomes inexplicable

why you're on one housewife's side and don't like another. It's like with Teresa and Melissa, I know from growing up in that part of the country, I get Melissa. I get her a lot. Teresa triggers me because it's everything about people I grew up with that I can't stand. You know that woman.

I do. I think that what's interesting about Teresa and Melissa, or not interesting, the way they were going at each other at the reunion, which will premiere in a couple weeks, they were doing that thing in fighting where they each wanted to have the last word. And it was wasting so much time. It's like, no, you did oh you're ugly you're ugly you're ugly i'm like this is your it was it was upsetting to me anderson pointed out to me the other day i was in a situation with someone who actually was a guest on watch what happens live and i went in their dressing room before the show and i don't want to say it wasn't a confrontation,

but I felt like we needed to work something out before they came on the show. It was kind of like when you came and you were like, I feel like I upset you or whatever. And we talked it out. Um, it was someone at Anderson said, I cannot believe that you had that conversation before the show. He goes,

you have been in the middle of so much conflict that you have no problem now just getting to the heart of it and saying, look, we need to resolve this issue, whatever. I think it's been helpful for me. Honestly, if you vocalize shit, it does. I definitely, I felt like it's given me a way to feel less. You have a model for conflict resolution.

Yeah, and I really didn't. And you also know how not to do it. Right. Yes. I was resolution. Yeah, and I really didn't. And you also know how not to do it. Right. Yes. I was going to say, and I think this is a great thing, I feel like I've noticed

this trend where I feel like you lose your patience more. The threshold is lower now at reunions. I was talking about this last night. I think I do. I think I'm more free.

Listen, I've been doing these reunions for 17 years. I've been doing these thousands and thousands of hours for real. And so I think that I'm just more comfortable. I don't think that it is a good look for me to be yelling at women, period. I don't like it. I always wind up apologizing to them 10 times. I'm so sorry I yelled at you. I apologize, Jersey. them 10 times. I'm so sorry I yelled at you. I apologize, Jersey.

I was like, I'm so sorry I yelled at you. I was upset, whatever. I don't like it. It doesn't make me feel good. It's not who I am. It's not the best representation of myself. So I think you're right. I have become closer to losing my shit.

But I think it's a way to release the valve because you only ever do it when it really gets so cacophonous that we have to relieve this. But I also will say to the, sometimes I'll get a cut and I'm just like blasting off at them. I'm like, if

we're going to keep this in, can you show the minute leading up to this so that you see that this wasn't just out of nowhere. You have to know that we are in that Thunderdome for 10 plus hours of this. It's intense. Especially when it's a conflict such as the one with Melissa and Teresa, where it's just entirely too... At this point, and it feels like every time someone is asked about it on Watch What Happens Live

or even on the cast of Real Housewives of New Jersey, everyone's just kind of like, yeah, they shouldn't speak anymore. Right. No, that's how I feel. I mean, Teresa's still bringing up shit that happened before Melissa came on the show. And they're both litigating. And the interesting thing is I think they're both a little right about stuff. I mean, I don't think there's a clear side, which is why, by the way, it's still kind of interesting because there's no necessarily right or wrong. If you, Matt, take your cultural background, for lack of a better term,

out of it, then I guess, objectively, you might... If I'm looking at the situation objectively, and I am... I agree with you, by the way like i'm not super keen on theresa i don't like even to say i'm team melissa what and i think something that gets lost like in the thing of like you know you go and watch what happens live and like you want to say something that's fun and like you know push the show along and yeah of course like i appreciate and get how to do the show but my thing is it's almost it's like this with the green eyed Bandits, too, to be honest. Every single year I turn on the show, I really try to have an open mind.

And I root for Teresa. How could you not, watching from season one, how could you not root for Teresa? This is another reason why I did I Don't Think So, Honey, Gia. Because she's going up for her father. Her father who called her mother a cunt on television. I'm like, this woman has been through hell. She went to prison for this man. Probably, look, I mean, it's Teresa.

Did she know what she was doing was wrong? No, she wasn't thinking about it. She trusted someone. And to see her become this unmoving figure that has a lot of like negative energy around it. And I find Louis to be very negative bad energy and i don't think it's going in the right area i'm not even looking at andy as i say this but i did in my conversation with melissa and joe they seem worried too and it's just like

i'm sad for theresa okay i understand there's a fan base that thinks that you can't have jersey without theresa but i would argue that dolores is the star of new jersey right now and dolores is one of my favorite housewives and i enjoy watching her i think frank needs to get a grip but um frank love frank but get a grip i feel for i like frank i love frank and i do feel for him but also it's like you can't demand anything of this woman she's already given you more than you deserve. You cheated on her also. Like in one of the most vulnerable moments of her life, when she's raising a newborn.

Where do you stand with Frankie Jr.? Where do I stand with Frankie Jr.? In terms of what? I don't know. Like how horny am I? Yes, yes. Pretty horny. I mean, you see the way I react to like Evan Goldschreiner.

I miss Jackie. I love Jackie. She's still there, obviously. I love Jackie. She's still there, obviously. I love Jackie. But I love her. There's a moment in the book where she's on the show. She was on Watch What Happens Live, and I knew that we were demoting her the next day. And I felt so bad because I really like her.

And I find her eating disorder struggle really honest and relatable. It helped a lot of women. It helped a lot of women. I just thought it was as deep as we've gotten into that topic in a serious way, and I just thought it was so valuable. And the next time I saw her, she said, you know what, I'm going to be the best friend that's ever been on that show. I love it.

And she's done a great job. She's been a great friend and I always love seeing Evan. So going back to the thing where when a housewife leaves and you're like, you will always be a part of this. I'll bring you back. Is it because you're seeing the total grand expanse of this?

I just know how it works. I just know through the years. I mean, when Rinna left, I was like like look i i was saying to her i hope this is a pause you know and i think you know sometimes look if you're getting booed at bravo con then it's a toxic relationship you i mean i don't know if you got to this part but you know that the night of the reunion of beverly hills she texted us all and quit she texted all the producers which i think is a revelation honestly i think that's something no one knows that people think that she

was fired but she did she did quit whether she still wanted to quit later i don't know i never discussed it with her again but i think also she saw that day, wow, this is really heavy. And I don't think she wants to be the villain. She's really fun. I mean, she is. I love Lisa Rinna. I mean, you know, if you, anyway, so I said to her, I hope this is a pause. I said that to Portia, too. I mean, you know, I just, you know.

I have conflicted feelings about Portia. Right. Yeah. I think she started out strong on UGT and then by the end I was like, why are you aligning with Giselle? I just,

well, they're good friends from Bravo's chat room. Right. Yes. So that's where that happened. Right. Yes.

And speaking as someone who's been on pause, I think there is a pathway back. Always. Yes, for everyone. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

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Who's your dream housewife to be on with? Oh, my God. This is a good question. Just come up with it. I've gotten a few of mine. Marisol. Wow. I would do Marisol.

Okay. I want Marisol solo. Do you know what I mean? No Alexia. Fine. Yes. No, I know. That's not a demand. I you know what I mean? No Alexia. Fine, yes. I'm not saying that's not a demand. I'm just saying like, I'm so curious to see her.

That's your preference. Love it. Good. Okay, good. Well, then we need to do that. I want to be on with Tamara. I think we would have a lot of fun. Yes.

I think that Tamara and I would have a lot of fun. You and Tamara are similar underdrafts. Tamara, there's a whole sequence in the book about negotiating how we were going to announce Tamara's return and she was coming on Watch What Happens Live with Vicky and we didn't want to hurt Vicky's feelings. Then Vicky and Tamara get in a big fight. It's a whole mishigash that happened. For me, Tamara and then

I would really like to be on with Kyle. Beverly Hills is my favorite and Kyle's protagonist of Beverly Hills and I love Kyle Richards. I would love to go on with Taylor. Taylor and I would have similar energies. Armstrong. You and Taylor Armstrong? I find her so interesting. Is she getting an orange? No, she's a friend. I know, but there was rumors that she did so well that she got the orange. She's a friend. Okay.

Oh, okay. You heard it here first, everyone. She did not get the orange, but probably did a great job. I'm trying to like go. I'm not going for the obvious choice and maybe that's working. You're going for friends up. Yeah. Because you want to sit in the chair next to Andy.

No, no, no, no, no. That's not. It's just like it's just, it's just like, I'm like, these are people that I'm like currently fascinated with. By the way,

if there is a lady and a man on Watch What Happens Live, the woman always sits. Always. Absolutely. Of course. That's what always happens. So, yes.

Do you remember when I was on, I think it was, was when we were on together? We were on together. No, when we were on together, the people coming in after us was Garcelle and Heather. Right. Dubrow.

Yes. And we helped you with the seating arrangement for that. Oh, yeah, you had Heather Dubrow. Heather Dubrow and Garcelle. And that was because Heather had seniority. She had been on the longest. But originally. We also look at where did they sit the last time they were on.

Right. And then you also look at, sometimes if a housewife is on with like a big star, you put the star next to you. Yeah. Okay. Yep. And then sometimes like right now, Vanderpump Rules is on. So tonight, Katie Maloney is on with Karen Gillan from-

Oh, fun. From Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, we love Karen Gillan. Now, you know, Vanderpump is so hot and they're all such superstars right now. Katie Maloney sat next to me. Oh, 100%. You know, here's the thing.

It makes me nuts and this should be my rant, but it does make me nuts. There are two guests. There are only two chairs. So there's no A chair and B chair. There's no demotion. There's no second.

Well, no. I mean. Andy, it doesn't matter who sits in the front chair? Then why are you talking about it? Well, because you guys brought it up. And I'm explaining how it works. I think it matters.

Okay. He brought it up. I didn't bring it up. But what about the reunion seating? We agonize over it. It's camps. It's like who's on whose side. The people next to me

are the people in the most conflict that have been in the most drama. There are housewives like Candy who do not want to sit next to me because the people in the most conflict that have been in the most drama. There are housewives like Candy who do not want to sit next to me because that means they're going to be in the hot seat for most of the reunion. A lot of times, though, people say like for Potomac, they all sat down. They're like, we don't understand this seating arrangement. There are people who you also can't seat next to each other because they hate each other so much and also you want for camera angles yeah if people if you and i are in a dispute yeah and we're sitting next to each other the camera angle is it we're just looking at each other the whole time you want them to be looking

at each other directly so you put them on opposite couches so it's less to do with these are the stars of the season okay okay then i had a different read on that. By the way, Vanderpump, I think Vanderpump sat next to me once on Beverly Hills, I think. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fever dream I have as LVP. There used to be, there were many reunions where we would anticipate that a housewife was going to be so mad when they came out and saw where they were sitting.

And I would sit there and kind of watch their reaction. And was it? Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. It's producing on so many micro levels.

And that's what's like astonishing to me. That's crazy. Yeah, it is. What you do. Yeah, it astonishing to me that's crazy yeah it is what you do yeah it's weird it's crazy yeah it's this might be the weed talking but i'm like i can't even begin to imagine yeah it's like playing chess but with real people but also there's like a filter before you make a move you know what i mean it's like you're not making a move for yourself you're making a move for someone else's you know it's like it's it's it's your chest with real people and you have to like like them properly you have to like design the board or whatever you know interesting okay okay this is

i don't think so honey this is our 60 second segment that we take every episode to rail against something in pop culture that we are just not feeling at the moment and we feel needs to be dragged to hell. I do have something and I feel like because I didn't get to see the light of day on television, it should happen right now. Okay. Do it. This is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey, it's time starts now. I don't think so honey, Gia. And it's not even

really her fault. It's an extension. Go with me please to a few episodes ago on Real Housewives of New Jersey, when Teresa was sitting with her kids and not only encouraging a discussion about Melissa and Joe, but involving yet another one of her children

in the dynamic to talk on camera about this, about their family. Cut to Melissa and Joe. What do they do to Antonia? They say, please go into the house. This is not for you. I'm sorry, but I don't think so, honey. One of those people, and I do think so, honey, the other. And I don't

understand people on Twitter who act the way they act on behalf of Teresa and she says nothing. And that does not get brought up enough. I don't think so, honey. The fact that I sit next to Melissa and I get death threats. It's wild.

To be Melissa on social media is a hellscape. And what does Teresa do? She says nothing. But she expects Melissa to leave when they're at an event and she's uncomfortable. It's bullshit. And I don't think so. That's one minute. I've been using this term more often lately.

Just as it's being overused and like the zeitgeist. But it is like I think Teresa's affliction is like just thinking she's the overused in like the zeitgeist but it is like i think theresa's affliction is like just thinking she's the main character in every situation she is wild and i'm sorry but look it's one thing to like be in a conflict on the show and to have a difference of opinion but if you're going to rake through the sand and find little things, there's one huge thing, which is that Melissa and her family get social media bullied like no one else, I would say, in the Housewives franchise. The Jersey, by the way,

the Jersey Twitter since the beginning. Yeah. The people, what they used to say to Caroline Manzo. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's been really, the Jersey fans on Twitter from the beginning have been really brutal. It's wild, and I think that's, like, one thing, it's been really, the Jersey fans on Twitter from the beginning have been really brutal. It's wild.

And I think that's like one thing where it's like, that doesn't really get brought up on Jersey that much. And I actually commend Joe and Melissa for not going there. It actually, of course, came up on the reunion this week. Well, and maybe it's time that it does. Is it making it in the cut? I am seeing everything tomorrow, as a matter of fact. So I'll let you know. That's going to be a really tough one.

Really tough one. It is. That's mine. And it has less to do with you, Gia. It's just that you don't understand, I think, and I think you will later, that this isn't a healthy thing for you. And you're getting a full beat to be in confessionals. And can I say something?

You look stunning. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So so honey and he's galvanized and high as fuck and he's gonna do it are you ready i'm ready are you gonna do the one you said i'm gonna do the one i said yeah here we go this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey giselle bryant i mean you're basically a fucking scullery maid scouring the dirty pots of everyone else's lives when those pots aren't even that dirty. Do you know what I mean? Like, the Klaus Azul thing is, like, so

fucking boring. It's fake. And this is a person, it's so sad. This is a person who, like, looks at herself in the mirror in such a way that, like, she cannot possibly see herself reflected back. She has no sense of who she is. And she is, she's just back. She has no sense of who she is. 30 seconds. And she is,

she's just bored. She's as simple as that logic. She's as simple as that logic. Giselle, I mean, it is just talking to fill the silence at certain points. 15 seconds.

It is, I don't know. She's a fucking like pimple on the backside of the show. I fucking hate her. And I would be so thrilled if she were never on my television again, but I know that's not going to happen, so I've accepted that. And that's one minute. Here's the thing.

I always have said she has star quality. But I disagree. You don't think she has star quality? I think it's sweaty. We've had this discussion before. Stars have been sweaty before. You ever seen Miss Jagger? I think she at one point was a star.

Jagger. And then I think she like, it was slipping from her at some point. She's very editable. It's like that challenge on Survivor when you have to hold a position, you have to hold a fucking oar on your head for like four hours.

You start to wobble a bit. She's wobbling. She's been wobbling. I think that she, and I always feel like they try to humble her and they try to come for her but she she just like doesn't move or doesn't care and then i'll say the moments and what i really like her is when she opens up and like i really love her with her kids because you can tell she's and that's the thing is i'm like maybe i would like you more if like

i felt like you were as authentic with the rest of the limit and with the audience as you clearly are with your children because there's something happening behind closed doors when the cameras aren't on that like allows you to have this like incredible bond with them I'm just wondering at what point I know you can probably say nothing about this

watch next season of Potomac if she like if she goes on a journey I'm so thrilled to go on that journey with her. Me too. Me too. Okay. You ready for mine? Yeah.

Okay. Now, Andy Cohen, you've never gotten to do one. No, I haven't. There's been a couple times where like, especially live, just kidding, I would never do this.

Maybe I would. Like when we were on with you, I was like, Andy, you do one. Right. Then you would have had to live whip one out. I know. Like when we were on with you, I was like, Andy, you do one. Right. Then you would have had to live whip one out. I know. So to speak.

Well, mine is based on something that happened earlier in the broadcast. I don't think so. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let's try another one. We're going to cue you in. This is Andy Cohen's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I am not high on Watch What Happens Live.

Every night when the show comes on, people think I'm stoned because my eyes are red half the time. I have allergies. I'm a Jew. I wear contacts. I have spilkas with my eyes. I'm not funny high. I mean, I'm funny off-camera high, but I would never go on camera high. It would be a bad show.

I would be in my head. It would be poor. I don't do it. I talk about it all the time. I would be a bad show. I would be in my head. It would be poor. I don't do it. I talk about it all the time. I would never do it. It would be a disservice to Bravo. It would be a disservice to you, the viewers, the listeners. I do not do it. Was there a time on New Year's Eve with Anderson where maybe I

popped an edible after midnight? Yes, I did. Okay. Big deal. I would never do it on camera. It's not me. Maybe Amy Sedaris and I would never do it on camera. It's not me. Maybe Amy Sedaris and I have taken an edible on Radio Andy for our holiday hangout. That's it. Never on Watch What Happens Live.

I don't think so, honey. I'm not. Hi. Oh, and that's one minute. You do describe in the book taking an edible to time it so that right as you go home, it hits. Which I love. There are times during the second commercial break of the show, which means there's four minutes left in the show.

And then we have a very quick after show. I occasionally will take my edible. And then when the after show is ending or I'm kibitzing in the control room, I'm like, oh, this is nice. And I glide away. Yeah, Perfect. But I also, I'm going to say, is that even so bad? But I feel like you're such a professional. You would never do this.

But like, it's not like a hostile thing. It's not like a thing. No, of course it is. You can, of course it's a lot. It's a lot to manage, but also I want to do a good job and I'm working for a big corporation and I respect my relationship with them and with the viewers. I just, I don't want to be bad. Now, if we did a show, we did watch what happens live from LA a few times and weed was legal in California. And I went to the execs at Bravo

and said, I want to take an edible at the beginning of Watch What Happens Live, when we are live on the air and watch what happens live. Has a host ever done an edible on TV? The face of marijuana. Yes, it would be amazing. And there was some reason why I couldn't do it. Maybe I'll be able to do it. I tried to do it on CNN when they said we couldn't drink this year. I was like, I'm going to take an edible.

Are they going to lift that rule? That was so stupid. I hope so. Come on. Also, not for nothing, but everyone in New York City hated de Blasio. What, is this person going to get in trouble because he said it? He's horrible and Adams is worse. I don't think it was as much about my rant on de Blasio as

much as it seems like CNN is just trying to reign every bit of personality back. And so, I don't know. That's the every bit of personality back. And so, I don't know. That's the down limit of it all. It's like, they're like,

we can't, like, everyone needs to be, like, in the middle. Like, literally. Behaviorally, politically. I hope we can drink this year. Yeah. You must.

I mean, listen. I hope you're both okay with me. I feel like I've managed it okay. You were amazing. You were incredible. But it made me think of it because when you said, oh, I'm a little high, whatever, and I was was thinking because i was trying to think what mine was gonna be and

i was like oh this is perfect because everyone always thinks i'm high but i'm not you were brilliant you're also getting shit in your ear yes your brain is like semi scrambled no matter what we you know when we do this high when we're just by ourselves yeah when we just have episodes that's just bowen and I. And I'm sure that that's. We're like incredibly big. And it's a completely different vibe. But like we would never like.

It's not languid. When we're both high, it's not like we're like slow. Yeah, right. No. It's just we're. We're incredibly brilliant and sharp. Yeah, of course. And doing handstands.

Yeah, you two aren't slow. But speaking of incredibly brilliant and sharp and doing handstands, you stunt on everybody in this goddamn business. And you're the best in the biz. And you're the best in the biz. Thank you. The best in the biz. Wow. Showbiz.

This is such a huge day for us that you came to do this. You guys are so nice. Thank you for reading the book. I really appreciate it. I enjoyed it a lot. It's about now. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for having me. This has been really fun. No, I mean, this is just the beginning. Just the beginning. And this is Lost Cult, and we end every episode with a song. Must really think I'm playing. Reverse the conversation. Trust me, that's not what you want.

Love you, girl. I don't do back and forth. I want another flag on the play. Now, if you want to hear the rest of that, you can stream Deep Space Deluxe Edition. Oh, my God. That is so funny. Bye. Bye.

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