Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Drag Mother" (w/ Guy Branum)

Episode Date: November 22, 2017

It’s the moment Las Culturistas fans have been waiting for: Matt & Bowen's Drag Mother is on the pod! The brilliant Guy Branum (Talk Show The Game Show/Pop Rocket) joins them for a cultural romp that will fundamentally alter the way you live your life. It’s required listening! Matt and Bowen are fresh off Cultch War & I Don’t Think So, Honey! Live and are ready to talk Taylor Swift’s new album with Guy, especially after seeing her this past weekend at the SNL afterparty. What else? How bout Britney Spears's Instagram, Zac Efron opening beer bottles for sport, Other People the FILM, Arsenic and Old Lace/Bell, Book and Candle, the two best sketch performers in NYC (former LC guest Beth Newell’s kids, Bryn & Maeven!), Billy Eichner’s fame, and the answer to the question: who did Hailee Steinfeld vote for in the 2016 election? Plus, Guy’s gold nuggets of wisdom, including “brunette Christina Applegate provides you with all your Jennifer Aniston needs at half the cost!” You’ll remember where you were when you heard Guy’s episode of Las Culturistas!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistasPLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND RATE US on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.LAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you all. Thank you all. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. And guess who has his own mic now? Wow. Hot engineer Will. Can you talk to everybody? Hi. Wow.

I said this show is becoming a full experience. I know what you're going to say. You were going to say this show becomes more and more Howard Stern by the episode. And shout out to Howard. We love Howard. No. I mean, but I will say shout out to Nick. To Nick.

I was just on Howard Stern wrap up show and I want to say what's up to those folks. I had so much fun. Oh, and I just got to know with Mateo Lane, previous guest of the wrap up show. Yes. Oh, his episodes are fabulous. And he was singing everybody's praises over there at Stern. They're a great group. He loves you guys over there.

We love you. They're an army of uh great folks yes and i will say um i'm happy that we talked about that because it put me in a a good place for a second what do you mean what do you well you know bowen i should be flying high you should be flying i should be flying high as the winner of culture i was gonna say but i'm not i'm not flying high i'm feeling really... What's going on? I can't believe we lost the real war, which is Taylor Swift. She beat us. She put out an album that is... I think the jury's still out.

No, the jury's not out, bitch. It's not. We have been texting about how it is a done deal and this album is a full gag. It's not her best. It's not her best. It doesn't matter if it's not her best. It's still very good. Listen, I interview i'm ashamed i read an interview interview today with because basically she's she's pulling a beyonce she's not doing any interviews uh for this album cycle but

bless her her uh you know go-to music video director is joseph khan yes joseph khan this crazy looking korean baba dukesh baba dukesh man who is a visionary, whatever. But he was sort of, he's sort of been her mouthpiece this whole time and he I will say, I like came after her at Cold Shore for being like a pseudo white supremacist. You did, you said, I don't think so honey ACLU enemy Taylor Swift.

I think just her legal team is obviously very misguided but Joseph Kahn seemed to leave me with the impression that she is not, she's not the enemy. She's an enemy. I am bopping and swooping and stomping

and twerking on the streets to this one. We saw her at the SNL after party. Yes, we did. That was crazy. Anyway. Now, look. We have another star in our midst. Oh, my God.

And look at him. What? What? Go. Okay, you guys were at the SNL after party, but somehow only Dave Mazzoni got all up in that. Because there's a long story. What the fuck was going on there?

There's a long story. Are you boys not resourceful? I thought I trained you better than this. I- Fucking choreographers getting in your way. No, no, no, no. Don't you- Don't call Dave a choreographer.

He is so much more than mostly a choreographer. No, listen. I would have felt like a sham if I had gone up there and took a picture with her. I would have felt like a sham. Because I've talked so much shit, and so has Bo. And so have I, but I came up with the perfect thing to have said to her. What would you have said, Bo? I would have been like, hi, are you the girl from the UPS trucks?

And we both would have laughed. We both would have laughed. She would have laughed. She would have found it funny. Oh, my God. Here is why. I'm going to assert why Dave Mazzone was able to go up to Taylor Swift and the two of you were not. Confidence and looks?

There's that. I'm going to say that you guys fundamentally would approach that situation as colleagues and would be annoyed that she did not recognize your collegial status. And Dave Mazzone is able, because of looks and confidence, to simply be a fan. OK, here's what happened. There's some backstory to it, though. So Matt and Dave met us at the after party.

I was at the taping. And I brushed shoulders with her. And we made eye contact in these narrow halls of 8H. Oh, my god. And I felt this. No, no, no. I'm just saying this to stop. And Matt's being an asshole.

King of my heart. I felt this. No, no, no. I'm just saying this. Stop it. Matt's being an asshole. King of my heart. I felt this look from her. I was like, she knows I've talked shit about her. She knows. But she absolutely doesn't. That's wonderful. That is so wonderful. I know that feeling so well.

Why didn't somebody leverage Todrick Hall? Todrick Hall was right there. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? In fact, that's what happened. He was the whole reason why there was a picture even taken. So apparently. God, I love Todrick Hall.

I will spill tea now. Here we go. Tea will be spilled. Here we go. So we were at the SNL after party. Taylor Swift famously performed as the musical guest. Todrick was there because Todrick, I guess, and Taylor are real IRL friends. Yes.

And Todrick- What are those phone messages I need to understand? God, you know it's him gushing. All right. What are those phone messages I need to understand? You know it's him gushing. All right, so Todrick was kind of being like her keeper in a sense. He was like three steps behind her the whole time, making sure she didn't spend too much time with one person. You could kind of tell if she wanted to move on,

she would kind of throw a look to Todrick and she'd be swept away so Todrick I guess is old friends with Ariel Dave's boyfriend so they were talking to Todrick almost immediately when we got there and I was like how the fuck do they know Todrick Hall so that was their entry point and so then they kind of got swooped in and they were sort of in this queue so Luke's confidence ability to maintain a relationship yes absolutely at least Ariel those big those are the big three swooped in and they were sort of in this queue. So looks, confidence, ability to maintain a relationship. Yes, absolutely. At least Ariel. Those are the big three. She did.

Taylor did set her martini down on our table, though, when she was taking the picture. And we looked at it. It was like a vodka martini with like a lemon twist. And we were like, that's Taylor Swift's drink. And I will say this. I will say this. There's one more of the thing. Dave Missoni, when he met Taylor Swift,

promoted our show at UCB East game show to her described it and said the words you should come he's a goddamn professional he's a goddamn rational so much respect my okay the thing is wait hold on we don't even know who this is we have to introduce you just as a

formality we don't even know who this is as a formality let's introduce the guest Matt let's go through the credits let's just the credits so't even know who this is. As a formality, let's introduce the guest. Matt, let's go through the credits, bitch. Let's listen to the credits. So, listen, you can hear him back. He has wrestled back the hosting duties from Louis Vertel. I can't imagine he gave it away easily again. Got a little comfortable. So, of Pop Rocket.

Our drag mother. Our drag mother, really. This is one of the best podcasts. I mean, Bowen and I were on it when we were in LA. We had such a blast. True intellectuals on that show. Seriously amazing. We felt like the true little dumb pieces of corn kernels that we are.

I was an idiot, yeah. Yeah, you were. We talked about such emotionally and intellectually stimulating topics as the finale of Girls. Which was stimulating. No, it was very stimulating. I didn't know it could be that stimulating, but the finale of Girls. Which was stimulating. No, it was very stimulating. I didn't know it could be that stimulating, but let me tell you. At least to nipples.

Yes. So, and obviously, the host of the amazing show on TruTV, talk show, the game show. Making its return. Making its return. This is such a fun show, you guys. And listen to me right now.

If you queers thought that the first time tiffany haddish told that story about the swamp tour no i saw it live on the first episode of talk show the game show and i lost my mind i was like who is this person yeah tiffany what haddish bitch and then she was on girl's trip and just the host of snl wow truly. Truly a small world. Small world. It all goes back to Tiffany. A writer for the Mindy Project and really just cultural icon in our eyes. His name? Guy Branum. Good to be here.

I need to go back to my point. Which is, okay, so as somebody who has lived in LA for quite some time and has had some down times in his career, like, the specter of being pet gay two famous women yes has been presented and there are just those moments i spent one evening essentially being the pet gay to rumor willis as she was courting uh thank god zach efron

and it was oh my god just uh like i'm so surprised I've not told you guys this story before because I love this story too much we need to know it essentially just comes down to he had gained like 30 pounds of muscle

to do that movie where like Dear John or something like that yeah yeah yeah the one where he was coming back from the war he was hot as fuck in that I did not realize

lucky one I like was around him for like two hours before I realized it was Zac Efron he started freestyle rapping. No, no.

He was like, um, I can freestyle rap about anything. Give me a topic. And rumor said Scooby-Doo. And then he freestyle rapped for five minutes and never mentioned anything remotely related to Scooby-Doo. And like at that point I was like, cause I was shit faced.

And I was like, this might be Zac Efron. And then I went, we were back at her place and she like did the thing of like giving me the hundred dollar bill to tip the driver and stuff like that which were very much the like you are my pet gay sort of things and then like zach efron turned to me and was like where do we make drinks and i was like i don't know like i'm not a concierge here um no but it was also like it was reasonable for him to expect that I was failing.

The thing is, is I went in and I was like, I'm going to figure out if this is Zac Efron or not. So then I asked him, where do you live? And he dodged. And then I said, because I'm not unfamiliar with Zac Efron's Wikipedia page. I said, are you half Jewish? And he said, well, it's my dad's dad. So I'm like a third Jewish and he said well it's my dad's dad so I'm like a third Jewish oh my god

and I was like that is someone who learned fractions on a soundstage on a studio lot honey he learned his school in Orlando Florida here's the thing he did a Vogue 73 questions and it was mask drag it was like oh I saw that.

Like the night that I was with him he just like he wanted to prove to you that he could take beer bottle tops off so hard that he just kept

opening beer bottles when no one needed the beers. Oh my god what is It's a constant need to exactly what you said to prove masculinity. He speaks in that

fake low voice. Has anyone done a good 73 questions other than Sarah Jessica Parker? Emma Stone did a good one. Emma Stone did a really good one. Nicole Kidman was very Nicole Kidman, and I loved it. Nicole Kidman is good.

I loved Reese Witherspoon. It being very Nicole Kidman is true. I won't say that that makes it good. No, to me, as long as it's authentic, it is good. She ends up on her ranch and by her stables. I hate when she pretends she's super Australian. It definitely is on an Australian ranch.

That's fine. Speaking of, that Taylor Swift one was very like, um... What advice would you give to a new singer? Get a good lawyer. Get a good lawyer. That'll sue the AC. That'll sue a blog. Whatever. I almost said the AC.

Honestly, whenever you seek little little peaks of her in that old Taylor, whenever you see little peaks of what we know as Taylor now, which is honestly, I guess, more of a real person in that she's kind of a bitch. I want that. I kind of love it. I want that. I kind of love that she said get a good lawyer because you know what? That was her real answer.

Okay. You guys cut your teeth on the faux virginity of people who are pretending to be super nice. And now you're experiencing like business women. Yeah. Which do you prefer? Business women. Now business women. Yes.

Yeah. Because now I know it's now I know too much. Um, uh, so two very talented comics in LA, uh, Tess Barker and Barbara Gray, have a podcast

that is just about analyzing Britney Spears' Instagram. And my core Dave Mazzone just turned to sand. My core issue with Britney Spears is like, I always want to know that it's a bitch who can take care of herself. And like, she legally can't take care of herself.

Right, right, right, right. I know. I mean, yeah, that's that's the thing is it's like now that now that I we have them literally putting themselves on Facebook Live for 72 hours. Yeah. It's like, yeah, sure. Like, show us who you really fucking are. I think the media is too sensitive now for these people to keep up these ruses i think that taylor it's convenient that taylor shift got called out when she did

because literally i think in the last two or three years she you were able to keep up a veneer whereas now you're not like i don't think she could continue she very clearly couldn't continue the princess thing yeah and because she was like a walking, breathing Disney princess. That was the whole brand. But that obviously couldn't continue and wasn't real. I hate our fictions of young womanhood that are meant to soothe dads. Right. Which was her whole thing.

Which was her whole thing. I think it was on like The Verge or something. It was this gigantic essay that was, the title of it was just a unified theory on taylor swift which is just reconciling both this like sweet affable likable side to her that was also like paired with this like cold almost fascistic business person yeah right and like the parts that were fascinating were obviously the parts about her being this very cunning business what's real?

She has this quote where she was, no, no, no. This is the first profile they ever did on her in Rolling Stone was she was baking cookies for her fans because they were over at the house listening. Do you know this story? No. She was baking cookies for her fans who were over at the house listening to cuts from her new album. And she pulls out this tray of gorgeous looking cookies. And then she's so excited she's about to go to the fridge to get the milk she opens the fridge there's no milk but there is a bottle

of half and half and she goes oh wow mom did that that wasn't me mom bought that or like and it was supposed to convey this thing of like she like just as soon as the veneer cracks on like this perfect curated thing it's like

it's like a fucking like i don't i don't want to ask the world but it's like a no no it's like it's like a get out thing it's oh i just saw get out you need to see get out i need to see um it's it's like the flash is being like sort of like the flash bulb is sort of going in her eye and she's like oh something the matrix is off you know yeah it was it was incredible it's incredible is the thing of however much we whine about being gay, guys, like never having to have the full obligation of womanhood and like satisfying someone's expectations of you. There's this British art historian who has the line,

men act, women appear. And it is just so devastating to sort of like understand what it is to try to be Taylor Swift when you have this obligation of appearing. Yeah. Oh, no, trust me. I don't. And I don't think I envy her.

I think I envy like, you know, obviously how much money she has to have that she can do whatever she wants, but also she can't. So now I'm listening to the new album and it's got these, you know, casual references to like we met up in a dive bar in the East Village. And I'm like, no, you didn't. No, you know, casual references to like, we met up in a dive bar in the East village. And I'm like, no, you didn't. No,

you didn't. Because I went, we went to this after party the other night and it was like, she couldn't have been more like protected there, but there was still groups of people out. We were leaving the bar and there was groups of people with reputation signs. I was like, Oh shit,

this never stops for you that rumor that she was carried out in a fucking trunk i was like in a box that she got carried out of her apartment in a box yeah there was no way that was true but the fact that we live in a world where people were like entertaining that is real like well she wanted to skip the fans so she got carried out in a fucking box that's her life yeah yeah i i am very much of the opinion that you never become that famous without inviting it upon yourself oh yeah like there she could be carly j ray jefferson if she wanted to be but she didn't she wanted to be the princess of america and this is what you get yep she wanted

to be the most powerful person in the world and and she is. And honestly, that's what's crazy, but I will say, that mixed with, okay, I'm going to be more of my real self is interesting to me because, have you listened to the new album at all? No. Okay. So she's singing about getting fucked for the first time. Oh. She's singing about, she's cursing for the first time and she's being like knowingly petty

and bitchy for the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas it was always like, fuck you, I'm the best. Yeah. And it's because I'm righteous and I know that at the end of the day, I'm right.

But now it's like, oh, I fucked up because these are the mistakes I make and it's a pattern and I know that. I think she's still on the defensive for most of the album definitely on a lot of it like she still is who she is but there's shades of grey now

pretending to be dark seems like it would be annoying I have to listen I do love waiting for you guys you have no idea but on the podcast Lady to Lady I did several years before Lemonade call the coming of lemonade i referred to it as the post-divorce album uh because i under and overestimated beyonce yes yes

but like having that actually come was just so like oh god you learned a lesson you like you hear this is full of lessons that are on top of the astounding pop skills that you had before that. Yes. But I also want to say my favorite subgenre of songs is songs where women talk about the female orgasm or just sort of the idea of, like, nobody does it better, here you come again, but, like, son of a preacher man that are that sort of, like, deep and special relationship. Is here you come again about having an orgasm?

Yeah. You can extrapol about having an orgasm um uh yeah you can extrapolate to the orgasm it's about um like uh you're something up my mind and filling up my senses

it's like oh wow she's trying to get away from him talking about the Dolly Parton song yes um it's

I've had two drinks now here you come again yeah but it's like but it's talking about how his body is able to do things

to her that nobody else's can. Oh, wow. And so she can't get away. Filling up my senses. Filling up my senses. Yes. Oh, is there a better description of an orgasm than filling up my senses? No, there isn't.

It's a good lyrical term. And that she's an amazing lyricist, that Dolly Parton. That Dolly. She did not write Here You Come Again. Oh, you're right. You know what? Yes, that was one of the few she didn't write. One of the great stigmas that rests upon

me, like why I am always distanced from hipster culture is that I like the Dolly Parton song that she didn't write. No, you know what, though? That really discredits your hipster cred, guys. No, I just mean, look, it is part of an enormous

castle of poppy sensibilities that make me somebody who doesn't care about your singer-songwriter status. I want a Swedish computer to write all of your songs for you. Yeah, because that was her quote-unquote crossover song. That was her pop song. Here You Come Again? Yes, that was the first song that she was... That was early, early, early days.

It was, but she too had to cross over from country music because she was country country. She was Grand Ole Opry. She was Grand Ole Opry. Come on. Come on. And she had to, before she got to 9 to 5 and being played on radio and being in films with Jane Fonda, she was country country.

And that song came at a time where she was trying to cross over to new fans. It was. She's still sharp as a tack I love her in many ways the original Taylor Swift because you know they say Dolly Parton is hiding quite a bit of course oh and you guys like you heard Rosie talking about Whitney didn't you oh

yeah on Watch What Happens Live what did Rosie specifically say that was revelatory I hate saying everyone knew you of all people Bo and Yang should understand the persistent power of the closet. Okay, okay, okay. But the thing is, I read this. Do you want me to truly read now? Yeah.

Truly read. How many times did you have to come out? Gone. Twice. I know. I'm just being an asshole. I love what I have learned from you guys about this show. I feel like I could steal your mom's

identity. My mother? Yes. What do I know about Bowen's mom? That she would have been the Surgeon General of China if she had stayed. That is all. But Katrina Clarides, like, I mean... Yeah, she's been revealed. I can trace her family back to Greece.

That's crazy. I can't. I feel like I've picked up the same sort of textured story of Guy's sort of upbringing, too. But it's just I have no entry. I have no entry point into that. I can't just walk up to Sacramento, like walk into your mom's house in Sacramento and be like, hello, I know so much about you. No one's allowed to walk into my mother's home. Bowen, you're insane. Oh, my God. Speaking of, I was one of the many fags that texted you right after I saw Lady Bird.

I said, you have to go see it. Did you? Yes. It meant so much to me that you did that. That movie hit me hard. I didn't see it yet. I'm always last. It was fascinating because nobody ever talked about Sacramento ever.

And then Other People comes out, which is very set in Sacramento, and then Lady Bird, which is even more Sacramento. And that Greta Gerwig's reading of Sacramento is so deeply rooted in Joan Didion, is like the smartest thing ever. And the sort of withholding, class- class conscious practical mother that like it just sort of really hit me hard and I immediately called my mom and started a fight with her. I just immediately called my mom and was like we're going to fight for a while. But it was comforting in a way.

No it was wonderful. That movie is so funny. It's so good. Doesn't it make you a little bit mad that Greta Gerwig is able to. A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. and it's you know i did a movie with greta wait was this no strings attached i love your stories about that movie oh yeah well we can we get into that we'll talk about it later um greta she played one of of Natalie Portman's friends. Oh, yes.

Me and Mindy Kaling. It was the three of us. Right, right, right. That cast is fucking insane. Insane. The least interesting person in that cast is the male lead. Yes. Oh.

What? I mean, what? No, he's terrible. He's a horrible person. Yeah. I hated working for him. Wow. The lowest point in my professional career was going from a situation where after that

movie, Ashton Kutcher was actively frightened of me. He was actively aware that a conversation with me, and I never tried to make it happen. I was just trying to be as nice to the famous person as I could. Right. And I couldn't help but accidentally point out ridiculously stupid things that he had said. And we went from that to me having to work for his fucking production company for almost a year.

I don't know how to work for him It was so terrible because then he got to come Like when he's paying my rent he gets to be big dog Yeah yeah yeah Wait that makes me sad That makes me feel like Mila Kunis isn't cool No I think she's wonderful Like to me more

She seems wonderful You really want to believe it I mean I love I love a good I learned English from the Price is Right story. Yes. Mila Kunis or Cristela Alonso. I just fucking love it. We need that.

Honestly, you know what made me think that Mila was actually a fucking gem? Well, the fact that you can feel her and everything she does. She seems like she's the kind of actress who never plays far from herself because she probably can't, but also that's fine because we love. We got Jupiter Ascending Queens here. Are there any Jupiter Ascending Queens here? We didn't see it. Jupiter Ascending is so good. Is it good?

No. It is the most... We gotta smoke and watch that. It is profoundly about transness. If I had watched it when I was like 11 or 12 years old i would have fucking plots and given my life to it it's not good yeah i mean eddie red looks like the most beautiful woman in the world but a fucking a fucking original ip i like i give my life for an original ip same same these days still guys for for when Star Wars comes out and everything, but gagged. But here's what I was saying about Mila.

In the end credits of Bad Moms, which I just watched again the other day, which we saw. We were with Sudi? We saw with Sudi. And we were gagged for Bad Moms. We love Bad Moms. And at the end when they're all talking with their moms, that made me really feel very close to all of them.

And I already have been a Christina Applegate stan since seven years old. I deeply, I have long maintained that a brunette Christina Applegate provides you with all of your Jennifer Aniston needs at half the cost.

Oh my God, that's rule of culture number three. A brunette Christina Applegate provides you with all the Jennifer Aniston needs at half the cost. The Real Housewives of New York City

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we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeartWomen sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the

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He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network,

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I was like, what is that? And I have not let myself watch it because I love a mass market comedy so much, but I was like, what is that? And I have not let myself watch it because I love a mass market comedy so much, but I was not aware of it when it came out, and it makes me fear that it is going to be a simulation of a good, broad comedy.

I will tell you this. It's not as funny as Bridesmaids, but literally nothing is, and it's actually funny. It's actually funny. Or did you not like it? I liked it. No, we all liked it. We all liked it. I have to point out this weird

thing I have with Bad Moms. It's not a thing at all but it was just something that was a blip on my radar. I haven't heard this. You watch the credits, the opening packages three different Chinese production companies. And like,

I'm like, Oh, is this what Hollywood might be in like a decade or so is like a bunch of like Chinese, specifically Chinese production companies. Wait, what? All right.

But also let me tell you, like not a bad thing. Look, having one's ear to the ground in Los Angeles, there once was a time when I would say like, and having this be marketable in China or India, like you would say that and they would be like, no, no, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.

Oh, shit's a changing. Now it does. Shit's a changing. And it is kind of interesting and exciting. Yeah. It's pretty great. Yeah. I didn't realize that it was like

Chinese production companies that made that movie. Yeah, and I sort of framed that as like a hang up. It's not a hang up at all. I'm just saying like, this is a thing I'm noticing

and it starts with bad mom's thing. I did notice that I didn't recognize the production companies. There was another, there's another movie that I saw. I think it might have been

Baby Driver that also had all these, these Chinese credits. No, no, it was Edge of 17. We have to talk about Haley Steinfeld. No, we're saving that for the show. No, no, no, no, no. We're saving that for the show.

We're going to talk about it right now. Do you read Chinese? I can't read the characters. I can read like maybe 5% of the characters and they're all the simplest ones. Because that's the thing where like there's no acquiring skills. You just have to learn the characters individually, right? Yep, yep, yep.

And just know their meanings paired with other characters. It's truly an insane language. Like, I started to pick up Korean recently, and I was literally just like- Really? Casually? And I got angry. I just picked up Korean. I didn't pick it up. I just started to like learn like the alphabet.

And I was like, oh, the fact that there's a phonetic alphabet is so unfair. I'm like, I was mad. I was like, I was mad. I was like, oh, like, my upbringing learning this other language, like my quote-unquote mother tongue or whatever, is, like, so much harder than the Korean kids in Denver, and they're everywhere in Denver, who just, like, grew up speaking Korean and just, like, being able to read it so easily.

And I was like, why? Like, why is that anyway? The fact is they have an alphabet. But Edge of Seventeen, the huge Chinese. Yeah, so Bowen referenced Edge of 17 recently as, like, one of those new coming-age movies that's, like, actually good that even the critics pointed to, and they said, hey, this is one to see.

And I was interested because Hailee Steinfeld is someone I've always been, like, mildly interested in after she got, was it, should she get an Oscar nomination for True Grit? She got an Oscar nomination for True Grit, yeah. Oscar nomination for that and you know in pitch perfect and then she released interesting that uh masturbation very much about masturbation song oh um love myself i'm gonna love myself no i don't need anybody else hey we recently learned she's a republican right oh that's what how did you know how did you know what did joel know What are your sources Did Joel tell you I forget Louis Vertel Or one of you on I Am

No no no no It must have been Louis then It must have been Louis Joel told us that he We won't say how he knows But confirmed that she voted for Trump Calabasas Like the answer

Yeah That she's from Calabasas The answer is just the West Valley It is a different and magical place And apparently she talked openly about it On the set of Pitch Perfect 3. About how she was voting for Trump. And she's like barely Filipino. Also fucking Jewish, right?

Like she's a Jew of color technically. Filipino, Jewish, and a Trump. You know what, guy? It was me. It was me that said that. Oh my God. That's how wasted I am up here at all times. I was the one that said that to you.

I was like, God, we have horrible news. Thank you for apprising me of that, Matt. I still have not seen Edge of Seventeen because there is a way that I will get frightened of these things that could be something I enjoy greatly or just super disappointing. I'm the same way. Whenever there's a big... I'm like that with Get Out. I'm like that with Lady Bird right now. Whenever there's like a big, I'm like that with

Get Out. I'm like that with Lady Bird right now. Whenever there's like a big thing that everyone's talking about, I'm like let me take a second and I will see it. I still haven't, no I won't even say that. What? Come on. Get out. I still haven't seen Other People because I know I'm going to enjoy it so much. I know it's going to affect me so deeply that I'll be

out for a week and a half. But it's also, one of the other fascinating things about it is just realizing how, like, that telling gay male stories is about silence in such significant ways that figuring out how to tell them is interesting. Brian Lauder

in Slate Magazine, or Slate, once said that he questioned whether it was possible to tell like, emotionally relevant gay male stories without some element of fantasy to them and I love that a great deal. Wow. Because like other people is so

okay I have to tell you in other people there is a moment where Jesse what's his name sits behind Molly Shannon while she puts on makeup and he talks to her while she is getting ready to go to this party that they're having at their house. And it was like a thing from my life that I had never seen represented in media that was like, I

hate, I have a passionate hatred of fucking representations of boys and their dogs or dads throwing footballs with their son. Fuck you and your heteronormative normality. But seeing this equivalent of that from my life, I was just like wrecked. Wow, even you saying that, I can smell the hairspray. Yes, yes. The most glamorous woman in the world is Katrina Clarice.

She is. She is. And specifically hairspray for you just because of what your mom did or does yeah i mean we literally had a salon a little salon did she do hair yeah she's a hair disser we had a it was like a gay boy's dream we had like a little salon in our house where she would have clients and she'd work out of the house a couple days a week and then she works in the shop as well like one or two days a week and uh i would just have that room to do my hair in the shop as well, like one or two days a week. And I would just have that room to do my hair in the morning. Oh.

Have you seen Call Me By Your Name yet? That's what I was going to bring up. I have not. Have you read it? No. I'm reading it now, and I've got to say, I'm not fully on board yet with just the pacing of it because I'm just like, it's just tense staring.

Nothing has happened yet. Apparently there's a peach scene that I'm supposed to be waiting for. Yeah, there sure is. No, but I mean, that's the horrible thing about our stories is that there is so much fear involved. Yes.

That there's so much, like, like, pausing and everything. Ugh. It's, all of it is just waiting. That's, yeah, that's, that's part of, like, the gay narrative is just, like, some repression of a moment sorry i'm like i was trying to remember the thing that i wanted to say and it was this that like when they

made a movie version of the handmaid's tale it was terrible and when they made the tv version it's great yeah the difference is vo the difference is being inside of her head and realizing she's still a person like you and And I feel like with an, with a novel, when you're dealing with long tense looks, you're able to sort of like fill it up. Henry James style with like what people, what's going on inside.

But like when it's a fucking movie, like so frequently, look, my opinions on looking are very well recorded, but I like, I don't want this boring gay story where nothing happens and people are scared all the time. No, I don't need realism. We live it every fucking day.

We're tired of it. So that's what it is. It's just every gay narrative needs some element of fantasy. Well, give us some bombast. You know, I mean, come on. It's rule number 16 of culture. Give us some bombast. Come on.

Guy, let's finally get to the question. No, I feel like it's too late for that. I feel like we need to take a break, because we're literally at the moment where we need to take a break, and then when we get back, when we get back, bitch, that is when we have to ask Guy Branum the, you know, pinnacle question of

this podcast, but because we've been having too much goddamn fun, we're not going to get there. And he says he has a question for us. Oh, I can't wait for that. He's going to ask us something, but because we've been having too much goddamn fun, we're not going to get there. And he says he has a question for us. Oh, I can't wait for that. He's going to ask us something, but before we get to our break, let's read a five-star review. We're going to do this. We're going to try something out, something a little bit new.

These are some five-star reviews from our Apple podcast page. Guys, please leave us a five-star review. In the hopes that you will leave us a five-star review, because you guys, we want to be seen out there in the world. You know, get us out there. Help us get visible, honey. This is a review submitted by Ka

with many exclamation points. Love that. The title of this review is Bar Bar. It's a reference to our Kristen Bartlett episode. Love you, Kristen. Five stars. This podcast regularly makes me laugh out loud for a dead inside black-souled monster like me that's saying quite a bit. Ka. Love you, Kristen. And we're back with Guy. Sure are. And before we took the break, we did tease that we would ask this question.

Let's ask the question. You ask it. So, Guy Branum, this is the question that we ask every guest that appears upon Las Culturistas. I'm entirely unfamiliar with it. That happens upon Las Culturistas. I'm not prepared for it in any way. Well, we'd like to ask you, what the culture that you know it's the culture that when you

open the door one day there it was you know it was a little package of culture and it said you picked it up and shook it from ear to ear and you said whatever's inside here this is going to be what sets me on a journey and that journey is culture

that journey is your individual culture. This is not your standard phrasing. Your standard phrasing is what made you realize culture is for you. Yes. And after having parsed this question significantly to myself and trying to figure out where is the starting point? When do we say I jumped off the rails of conventional humanity? The answer that I had very much prepped,

what made me realize culture was for me was deborah jean branham of yuba city california um but since you have said what culture i suppose i have to give you another answer no no no you give us whatever answer you want honey i will not be responsible for you listening back to this and saying wow i didn't represent myself culturally in the way that i would like let us because the thing is that like so many people do come here with like a concrete text and when i was thinking about it i thought a lot about um like uh like greek mythology i thought about a lot i thought about the lord of the rings but i also very significantly thought about like it used to be before cable

that old movies were shown on UHF stations in the summertime. Do you know anything about that? None of those words mean anything to you, right? I don't know what a UHF was. Okay, so there were stations that were your networks, your NBC, your ABC, your CBS. This is before Fox. And then you would have three other channels

that were just like whatever the fuck they could put together. It was where you watched your cartoons after school um and then during the summertime when there was not like network stuff being shown the ones in sacramento would show old movies but because it was sacramento they could not they couldn't afford all about eve like they couldn't afford the philadelphia story and so the two I will particularly say are Arsenic and Old Lace and Bell Book and Candle. I will say Arsenic and Old Lace does

not hold up. No, it doesn't. What is Arsenic and Old Lace about? It's a Cary Grant movie. Who was the woman? You're going to love the premise. Nobody. This guy lives in Brooklyn and he goes to take his new bride to meet his two aunts and his two aunts uh are serial murderers they are putting they are putting poison they get

they get older bachelors and who they think are sad and then they like believe that they are humanely euthanizing them and then they have have his brother, who believes he is Teddy Roosevelt, bury them in the basement. It's kind of like Get Out, though. Yes, it is. Wow, that's sort of connecting back to Get Out. That's fun. No, I was actually thinking about it today because the original play was read

as sort of like a commentary on the tension between America wanting to be so libertine and our dark history. And I was sort of like, what is a racialized arsenic and old lace that's fascinating get out

let's step forward let's talk about bell book and candle okay I'm not familiar what is bell book and candle okay so it's mid 1950s

Kim Novak is a sassy witch who lives in the West Village I'm on board I'm on board she's a sassy witch in the West Village Jimmy Stewart lives in her building and she finds out that he is engaged to the girl who was her bully at

vassar or radcliffe like it's we're talking about her college bully from a seven sister school because let us remember most ivy league schools did not let women in until the 80s. So she casts a spell making him fall in love with her. It's a 1950s movie. So in the end, she does realize that being in love is more important than being a witch. And it all falls apart and is terrible. But guys, witch culture is all sort of like beatnik, West Village, underground bar. It's the coolest fucking thing you've ever seen yeah i need that and kim novak is just like never not being glorious and wearing capri pants

like it's just love it i love that she saunters like a cat every fucking moment elsa lanchester and hermione ginggold who are like hermione ginggold yes like it is just classic bitties. And like as a child, I'm like a sweaty, sweaty, like Sacramento Valley, like evening in the summertime was just like, this is like raw glamour. Like to me, my tribe, to me, like witchcraft and French breeding felt like things that were just out of reach that all women understood. Yeah, yeah. So have you followed the pop culture witches ever since? Are you a Stevie Nicks fan? Yes. I love pop culture witches.

I hate when witches go away from us. I love when witches return to us. I feel that witches are very in. Witches are returning. We had a long vampire period that I had no taste for. No, but also even True Blood, we had a long vampire period that I had no taste for. No, but also, even True Blood, they had witches. Witches, no, I think witches have been

a perennial sort of, have had this perennial appeal for, just since time immemorial. I feel like witches have always been with us. Wouldn't you say? I would say. I don't think they ever went away. Bo and Yang.

Like, they ebb and flow along with everything else. Yeah, I think you're right. agency has it's moments in pop culture And then they go away Practical magic was a beautiful moment But you point me to good witches of the early 2000's Sabrina? I don't know if that counts It was from the 90's wasn't it?

Can I tell you guys a spoiler From talk show the game show Season 1.5 It's not guys a spoiler from Talk Show the Game Show? Sure. Season 1.5. It's not technically a second season. Melissa Joan Hart and Caroline Rain did the show together. No. And it was just twin things of in the middle of my interview, completely unprepped, I brought

up an interview she did one time where she talked shit at ABC for overpromoting Clueless the TV show and not Sabrina, the Teenage Witch. And it was one of the most baller moments I've ever seen from her. And she like clearly loosened up when that happened. But then watching her compete against Caroline Ray was one of the most satisfying things. Talk about that. OK, so what happened? What went down?

No, I guess. Yeah, you got to watch the show. I'm so mad we can't tell about it that's all I want to know is how Melissa Joan Hart and Caroline Ray showed off show down

what about Ann Zelda oh Beth Beth Broderick was not present she wasn't available oh wait they were on the same episode yes that's amazing unbelievable

can I pause for a moment because I need to we need to properly discuss The piece of culture that you guys have brought to me. Oh meant the most to me, right? This is the question you wanted to ask us. He's come with a demand to the studio. Yes Well, can we can we guess first? What is it? No, I don't know. Yes. Yes I like I like gamifying anything what piece of culture have we brought? That's one of the rules of culture, isn't it? You've got to gamify that culture.

Okay, what piece of culture? Gamify that experience. That experience. What piece of culture have we introduced to Guy that he has loved? I'm trying to think if he's reached out

about any particular thing. Crazy anatomy? I have reached out. No. Not to you guys. What? Oh my God. You know what?

I give up. Okay, well, what is it? I want to know. I want to know. On an earlier episode of this podcast You referred to two people as being I believe you personally and Matt Rogers Referred to two people as being the finest Sketch performers in New York

Do you remember at all? Oh my god Sketch performers in New York? Was it Darcy and Michael? No it's Brynn and Maven. Oh, my God. McInerney and Newell. No.

Yes. Okay, so, yep. Brynn and Maven McNerney. Oh, my God. The parents are Beth Newell and Peter McNerney. You can follow them on Instagram, and they have glorious performer children. Look, I do not give a shit about your dog. I don't care if your cat did something adorable.

No, I don't care at all. I like myself a nice three-year-old. It makes me feel very, very creepy to be looking at the children of somebody I didn't know. So I said to Beth, hello, I'm just letting you know your children are the greatest sketch performers in New York. They are. They are so fucking funny. They are. And like, they are so fucking funny. They are. They are so great. And like,

Bryn, like, I was trying to like figure it out today. He has instincts that are so innate. He's like, and he's just,

it's true. He's just such a character. He's just like a suave three-year-old. Yeah. Just suavely letting you know how it's going. And then like,

and then you go to Maven who is that agent of chaos, and you never know what's going to happen. And I have to tell you, the most exciting moment in my pop culture life in 2017 was an incident at the potty where he was doing a little bit of like, Maven needs a timeout. And he's very much telling his little patter to his parents, trying to manipulate things.

And then Maven, who i did not know could speak screams no at him and it was just like shit oh it's a game changer i want there to be like a reunion episode where andy cohen interviews everyone about that moment yeah honestly he also had a really sassy moment recently where he said, he was just like, he kept repeating, I'm not going to be nice to my friend. Oh, no. We have to find it.

Miss Emily says that hitting is okay. I'm going to hit my friend. I'm going to hit my friend. Oh, my God. Brynn is on record. They were like, really? If we call your teacher, she's going to say hitting is okay? And he goes, call her.

Yeah, ask her. I'm trying to think about what the – because it's like classic comedy duo, and he's a little bit Jennifer Saunders. Oh, my God. You're going to say that? High praise indeed. Wait, I'm trying to find it. You keep talking.

But just like he's always got patter going, and I love, like, it's so vaudeville that there's one who talks and talks too much and one who can't talk. Yep. Well, you have to follow Peter McNerney at McNen, at M-I-C-N-E-N, and then Beth, hers is... And the thing is, you go to Beth for the short-form content, you go to Beth for the short form content

you go to Peter for the long form content Beth Newell B-E-T-H-N-E-W-L-L alright no I have to find this specifically I want to say

Brynn has been has been documented as saying the words I don't think so honey no he did say I don't think so honey I'm going to pull that up

he did he said it he said it wait what are you looking for I'm looking for the comedy sensibilities of Peter and Beth are like their capabilities

are so evident from the way they just know how much of them to capture yes and when to go to the other one no they're both amazing

they really are it's the edit and the content in a perfect marriage and oh god yeah you know what I never realized that it was this vaudevillian thing of like one doesn't speak and then one is The edit and the content in a perfect marriage. And, oh, God. Yeah, you know what? I never realized that it was this vaudevillian thing of, like, one doesn't speak and then one is always, always, always speaking. Always talking.

Then Maven pours a beer on somebody. Oh, my God. Maven. Maven, I thought. It's interesting that you say Maven is sort of this agent of chaos because I feel like Maven is just the passive witness to all this. What about hitting your friends? I'm like, yeah. You can hit your friends.

She said you can hit your friends? Yes. She said, somebody just said, you can hit your friends. I can hit my friends faster. I don't think she said that. I think she said no hitting your friends. I can hit my friends faster. I don't think she said that. I think she said no hitting your friends. Yes. She said that. Why?

Should we ask her on Monday? Should we ask her if she said that? Yes. What is she going to say? My son is going to talk to me and my friends. I'm to me and my friends. I'm going to hit my friends. You know what?

The conversation ends with a declarative sentence. Not a response to anything that's been said. It's just, I'm done with this conversation. And just to refresh, the thesis of it was, I'm going to continue hitting my friends. But I will respond to your point, Bowen. Because yes, for such a long time maven was a patsy yeah but like at like her as a younger child her growing rage like i just look forward

to the forms that it takes also she's her mouth is always somewhat wet there's probably jelly on her somewhere i love it they're two amazing kids They really are One time There was Some early videos of Brynn I was shocked At the comedic capability I was like This is

How did you become aware of them? Because I'm Good friends with the parents So I mean Yeah Was it just you knew them Through Anna and Sudi

No no no We do Story Pirates Oh okay Which is A company that takes Stories that kids write In class No I'm quite We do Story Pirates, which is a company that takes stories that kids write in class. No, I'm quite familiar with Story Pirates, okay? Well, if it's for the viewers, okay, bitch?

It's not just for you. I know actors in Los Angeles. You know what? It's rule number 13 of culture, bitch. It's not just for you. It's for the viewers. Now, Peter McNerney is- They turn them into pieces of theater.

We take kids, they write stories, we turn them into pieces of theater. Peter McNerney is the associate artistic director of this company. And my first contact with Bryn was when he was like six months old. He's on his high chair. And this was the first comedic moment that I think is on record. Is Peter does like a little thing with his mouth. And then Bryn copies him and does a...

Like six months old. And then Peter laughs and Bryn laughs and just I mean maybe there's no comedic thing there but the fact that he's able to repeat something back to his father oh my god get out it's amazing it is wonderful

what makes children like the things that hit them as laughter and I wonder how much of them are copied or how much of them are just sort of like two things that hit them as laughter and i wonder how much of them are copied or how much of them are just sort of like two things that shouldn't go together are now happening yes yes yes which is comedy yes yes okay let's let's have this conversation kids yes or no i would say for me no because i feel like i would know now at 27 that I would want them at some point. Yeah.

Because you're at the height of your fertility. Exactly. I'm in my sexual prime. By the way, the male sexual prime is 18 to 25, so that means we're all officially out of it. Dang. Oh, well. Yes.

I was implying you were a woman. I wasn't trying in any way to comment on your male sexuality. No, I would be just entering my sexual prime, which is, of course course from 28 to 35 But the thing is like it is nice that as a man You can have them whenever but also you shouldn't Have them whenever Well I always kind of comfort myself

My dad had me when he was 35 And um So that's always like well I have time You know My parents were 18 and 19 when my sister was born And there is that like there's such weirdness around the fact that like they were never adults without children like it is it's really strange that those people can have children my grandmother was 17 1955 yeah that's that was

just how things worked yeah it was like that's what women are for 17 yeah i can't imagine i can't imagine either paul roy moore he can oh god the lost culturistas public yes need a sense of healing after culture trash talking that came around culture wars because god knows i loved culture wars and i loved playing the game of hostility but there were times Yeah you were team Bowen and it was really hurtful No I specifically took opposite sides on two different

questions in ways that tore me up. Yes yes I took Rae Sonny over Allison. That was Allison right? It was Amanda Duarte and then she got too sick to compete, and so Mitra Juhari, sweet Mitra, took her place. Yes, but, but.

Probably because you said that. Yes. But then you picked Sam over Dave. But then I took Sam over Dave. Why would you ever do that? Tore me apart. Because Sam Taggart is just a well of chaos. It's true, it's true.

I love that the Brooklyn faggot comedy scene is rich enough that we can have absurdists of his skill level, but I love that he's still a gay comic enough that he can, I don't think so, honey, with the best of them. There you go. But still not as well as Dave.

Sam has his foot and a bunch of, has many feet, a bunch of legs and feet, and a bunch of different little territories and sensibilities and what have you, and he succeeds in all of them. All right. Well, I would like to, I guess, come out and say that if anything that I said to you, Bowen, really hurt you. If I ever hurt you in the trash talking of Culture War 2017, I apologize.

Because now I know I didn't need to say anything because I was going to fucking win the whole time. You stupid, dumb bitch. Can I just say it was lovely to watch the process just to see like you've got all of your Long Island rage from all of those boys who were mean to you that is just like dying to come out in any moment

and I love that process oriented peacemaker Bo and Yang was always trying to explain why things... Like, when you went into, well, the picks I made were me trying to avoid conflict. I was like, bitch, believe in your own policy. I was offended on behalf of... He started throwing them under the bus.

He was like, oh, you know, I'm an immigrant. It's why at the end of the day I was team Bowen because it was like conflict avoidance and rules yeah because you know what like I don't like it I don't like this whole culture which is we don't want to root for people

that want to win that's not I wanted to win and guess what I won again I won again I won battle of the Divas. I won a cultural. I am so much better than you, and it is so amazing for me. Matt, could you do me a favor? Don't you shush me, because now I'm mad.

The worst part of all of this is that it's yet another competition with which Matt will relitigate for years and years to come. I do have to say, I do very much appreciate. Now I'm mad. I have been in this business long enough that I fear for people I truly love and respect who do not believe in themselves to want to win at any cost. And so I do very much. I do want to say one thing.

Respect. Dropping a lot of this. Yes. I want to say one thing. Literally, I had people asking me, I was like, who are you rooting for? I do want to say one thing. Respect. Dropping a lot of this. Yes. Okay. I want to say one thing. Yes. Literally, I had people asking me, like, I was like, who are you rooting for? Like, as like a joke. And they were like, well, I'm rooting for Bowen because I think that you'll take the loss a little bit better than Bowen.

I was like, if you knew how little we actually cared, like, we don't care who wins. We want to have a good fucking show, bitch. We don't care who wins. I truly give no shits that I lost, we don't care who wins. We want to have a good fucking show, bitch. We don't care who wins. I truly give no shits that I lost. We don't care. But people were like, I guess they were believing the shit talk enough. And this is, maybe we shouldn't be revealing this because we will shit talk again. We want you to believe it and be in there with it.

But girl, we were okay. There was no hurt feelings. And then that's when I realized, oh no, I can't say the same things for the competitors. And I hope that none of the competitors feel bad that they might have lost, a.k.a. lost around. Because they all were amazing. No, like, when you guys were doing the breakdowns, I enjoyed that episode so much. Like, the backstory was so rich and beautiful. But I was just, like, really, I have to say one thing about part one of

Cult Wars is like after you guys Did the breakdowns of everyone I went back and I Relistened to Before the storm These young girls Which is in my opinion possibly the greatest I don't think so honey that has ever been produced Not by the two of you

And then just seeing Pat go down So hard So hard in that first round was really rough And then to know not by the two of you and then just seeing Pat go down so hard so hard in that first round was really rough and then to know what happened which is that he hasn't listened to the second episode you haven't posted it yet

how would I know at the time of this release it hasn't posted it and it is well known who wins Coach Viva I don't know don't you want to allow me to be a fan yes also if you guys need to build a fantasy team website so hard before you do culture wars again because maybe we'll go out to la and do culture wars where i don't give a fuck if they get offended or not because i don't fucking know them like lewis and tell and i were talking about how much

we need you guys to come and do Cult Wars. We want to come out there and do it. We really do. I think we need to... What do you think about this? We need to start with a regular 50% I don't think so, honey. I think we just need to go out there and do an I don't think so live.

And then pick our... Can I say something from the bottom of my heart to both of you? When I go to the Virgil or UCB Sunset or wherever this actually takes place, and I see just how packed the place is, and then every faggot of note who was not booked for the show is in the audience, I will be jealous. I will be actively like,

they're so young and pretty that no one ever knew. Oh my God. Don't you ever. Don't you ever. You have a fucking TV show. I know. We submitted packets and were roundly rejected.

We submitted packets and didn't get on the show. Don't you tell us about jealousy. You told us. He gave us hope. That's because there was a packet that referenced Las Culturistas

and I assumed it was one of the two of you no and I was like oh this great packet is wonderful wait what someone referenced us

someone wrote a packet to your show and referenced Las Culturistas yes it was because it was because fucking star

Rashida Crockett who did end up getting hired for my show Rashida oh fuck her is a fucking is a fucking

research monster who like for every person had done like deep deep research oh my god and I was and what did she what was do you remember the reference oh um it was that Rachel Bloom had said on uh this show that she loved

peanut butter on toast for breakfast so it was a pitch for a game that was in some way about peanut butter on toast the fact that we helped this person get a job and and and lay here penniless well new york city um i i will say that your shout outs on pop rocket gave us like the lasting boost that we like have been oh no i was totally at the gym and a guy came up to me and said i know his name is Nico he's our friend yes and he was like

are you guy and I was like yes and he was like I'm a huge fan of Lost Culture Recess and I was like oh and then he explained how he learned about it from my podcast of which he did not mention I think he's the best you guys were at me he presumed

his media diet is all podcast he listens to everyone I'm sure he listens to Pop Rocket religiously. I have to say something. After the election, I had a hard not able to listen to podcasts in any way. Of course. And my recent car trip to Sacramento and Las Culturistas was my return to being able to listen to podcasts. Oh, my God. We were Christina Yang, Sandra Oh's character, catching a big fish after not being able to operate.

Oh my god, I gave up before that happened. Yes, I do remember when she had post-traumatic stress and couldn't operate. And then she caught a fish and all of a sudden was better. Right. No, I wanted to say, Guy, your shoutouts on Pop Rocket were, I think, they were a moment for me because I had never heard someone so aptly described me and Matt in such a simple way. You described me as, well, you described Matt, of course,

and his like, you know, he's a product of Long Island masculinity and here he is now. And he's the biggest of all faggots now, which is glorious. Like what a great one 80, what a great heel turn. Musical theater faggots.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I believe. And then for me, you described me as part someone, but part Crystal Carrington and I was like oh my

god and I fucking died because you are a fucking Joan you're the Joan Collins to my Crystal you're the Alexis to my Crystal oh and Guy that was very nice of you to mention us I just wanted to thank you I'm a big fan of the show glad to finally be here pissed off I was not able to be here for either

Cult Wars or I Don't Think So Honey Live. It makes me angry, but also it will drive us to come out there. When will be a good time for us to come out there to Los Angeles? You tell us. I mean, anytime. If you showed up, I mean, like the danger,

but also the magic of showing up splashily in February while everyone's there for pilot season. Oh. Oh. That would be a little fierce. That would be wonderful. Wait, but where should we do it, though? Because I want to do it at a good place.

I mean, the thing is, I do imagine this in my head. Where, where, where? Like, it's always been at the Virgil in my head, but I don't think that's big enough. Well, LA Las Culturistas fans, you let us know in your five-star review on iTunes where you want us to come. I have never been able to get the LA Gay and Lesbian Center to toss their theater, which is magnificent, and anything, but I haven't tried in a really long time.

How many does it hold? Oh, that's a fucking theater. Then I get nervous about it. See, no, that makes me panic a little bit. You'll be fine. I don't know. I don't know. Although KOTOR was fun because it was a fucking warehouse.

Villain, it was crazy. Bono and I walked in and we were like, no, this is insane. It looked like the kind of place where they go on SVU and they're like, well, we found some part of her over here and some part of her over here. Or it's like a warehouse in a heist movie. Shows at places like that are always the most fun. The thing I love most about-

Were you there? Well, fucking Will. I couldn't be there, I'm sorry. Why weren't you there? What else did you have going on? God, what was I doing? Okay, well, then obviously it wasn't very good. Okay, well. Were you doing traps? Were you doing traps? No, what was I doing? Okay, well, then obviously it wasn't very good. Okay, well.

Were you doing traps? Were you doing traps? No, no, I wasn't doing any traps. What do you do instead of traps? What kind of things are you into? What kind of music making am I into or what? I thought you were saying traps in the physical exercise. I was, I was.

Trapezius muscle. Oh, no, no, no. As far as the physical exercise bit, it's mostly stagehanding and downhill skateboarding. Okay, okay. And look, it's doing you plenty of favors. Can I tell you my opinion on skateboarders? Yes.

Let the straight girls have them. No, I love a skateboarder. I don't like them at all. And there are gay guys for whom that is true. Oh, it's so real and masculine and all of that. Let the straight girls have them. Let him speak for himself. Let him speak.

I'll just say that there is one gay downhill skateboarder out there who is a fantastic photographer and an amazing dude named Matthew Dubler. And you should check him out. He's all over Instagram, all over the place. The guy is a fucking shredder. You should check him out. Honestly, do you think the gays will look up Matthew something?

Dublin? Matthew Dublin. It's Maxwell Dubler. Excuse me. Maxwell Dubler. Maxwell. Maxwell Story Dubler. Can I say something

truly horrible? Yes. When Tim Murray did his I Don't Think So Honey about his bully from Ohio. Which you couldn't see this, but he was doing costume reveal on costume reveal on costume reveal. Oh, really? Yeah, you couldn't see this, but he was doing costume reveal on costume reveal on costume reveal.

Oh, really? Yeah, you couldn't see it. I did go on Facebook and find his bully to figure out whether he was actually bald, hot, or not. And what's the verdict? Not really. I did that. I don't think I will look at this one.

Skateboarder. There you go. Look, I think there's a sensitivity to them, really. To the skateboarders? To the skateboarders. Do you think skateboarding is an art or something? I don't have any opinion either way. I remember many days, halcyon days,

of watching these boys play Tony Hawk and just secretly pining for them. So, you know, that's my thing. All right. Well, with that information, I think that it actually is time to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. Now, are you ready? Do you have one?

I've composed three options. I would like the two of you to look at them now and determine which one you would like me to speak on. Oh, you want us to look at the topics themselves. You know what? I don't want to. No, look at the topics. Look at the topics.

Can we read these aloud or no? Yes, go for it. Okay. Well, okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Okay. Okay, sorry. We're just reading these. I think I would be most interested to hear this. Yeah, I love that. I think that's huge. I think I would be most interested to hear this. Yeah, I love that. I think that's huge. I think I'd be most interested to hear that. This will change minds.

But first. Read to people what they are. Okay, so the first one that we did not choose is The Children Have Forgotten. See, if this were The Children Have Forgotten, that segment, we could do this. The Children Have Forgotten the Gun in Betty Lou's Handbag. You have no idea what that is. No, I don't know what that is. I mean, it's the greatest Alfre Woodard vehicle.

Okay. I love Alfre Woodard, but I don't know that. Yeah. No, you don't because it's not available on streaming. It's out of print on DVD. It is a gentle early 90s comedy where we said Penelope Ann Miller can totally be the front person for a movie. And we were wrong. But it is the most watchable film you will ever see

and part of me is like, somebody needs to get the IP to this and turn it into a musical because it would be so fun. Well then how do you expect us to watch it? We'll buy our tickets. All right, so this next one is people who watch Will and Grace,

but not Great News. Are you into Great News? I am a deep supporter of Great News. Great News is very, very funny. We're losing our Andrea Martin on Difficult People. We need to conserve our Andrea Martin. It's super, super funny. Like, it is goofy.

And I, like, I deeply believe in funny sitcoms. Yes. And I think, like, that we have raised this zombie, this revenant of willing grace. And it is good, and people are watching it and they're not investing in the funny comedies of today. Sure. Like, we're just going to end up in a world of Hulu's casual and Netflix's

love and we will get what we deserve. Okay, yes, that's fair. And you know what? It has Friend of the Pod, Naomi Perrigan writes for, and then Tina Fey plays the female Jack Donaghy. We mean, what else do you need? And Andrea Martin. Let's watch it. It sounds amazing. I didn't know that Naomi wrote for it.

That's amazing. That's what she's doing out there. She's done two voices for it thus far. Oh really? It's exciting. Little VO actress. You take this and you're going to go last. Okay and the reveal will be in the actual I Don't Think So Honey. Now are you going to go first or am I going to go first? You should go because I truly don't know. It's shocking

that you never prepare. Okay. Well, I'm just saying, I don't think so, honey, Bowen, that he never prepares. I don't think so, honey. Never once. Is this the official one? No, it's not. But I'm also saying maybe it's why he consistently loses tournaments.

All right. Okay. All right. It hurts me when you do that. Well, I don't care that it does. Okay. Come to play. Indignant. Okay. Here we go. Now I have a vicious, I don't care that it does Come to play Indignant okay here we go Now I have a vicious I don't think so honey

This is Matt Rogers' I don't think so honey His time starts now I don't think so honey that Billy Eichner is too famous for us now Bitch I'm sorry But I don't want to go to my Instagram And you're hanging out with Colton Haynes Who also is not for us despite being one of us Billy I'm sorry but is difficult people being cancelled hanging out with Colton Haynes, who also is not for us, despite being one of us. Billy! Wow.

I'm sorry, but is difficult for people being cancelled because you are too famous for it? Oh! You all of a sudden are wearing really nice suits, being all sexy and handsome. It came out of nowhere, but I support it. All of a sudden, you are fucking Colton Haynes

on American Horror Story, bitch. That is very famous. That is very famous. That is very fancy. All of a sudden, Billy Eichner is one of the fancy boys. We used to say we should ask Billy Eichner to be on I Don't Think So Honey Live, and then I recently had to tell Bowen, no, the bitch is too fancy. He is too fancy. He hangs out with Colton Haynes.

All of a sudden, he has this high hair. He's giving you this hot 1950s retro sort of thing sleaze rolled up literally billy come back to us i don't think so honey till then that's one minute you know what yeah you're right i think he is untouchable now he's he's become the person that he's made fun of he's the abyss has stared back he has you know but we love him still he's wonderful uh he he did talk to the game show and was super super sweet and super super great but i just want to say what a get nowadays i look forward to playing this to a truly insufferable 33 year old matt rogers like i i i look forward

to like again the arms that your personal trainer has gotten for you and the tense condescension that he'll give me understanding that I might go for the gut about I knew you when girl and like he's praying it doesn't happen

but he's still skating on top of condescension oh my god he's gonna toss me right aside there is no way bitch honestly also no this is not gonna happen i'll tell you why it's not gonna happen because they're gonna go back to i don't think so honey and they're gonna find me talking shit about all these celebrities they're gonna find that i talk shit about ellen in episode three with sudi and they're gonna be like well we can't book him on ellen i'll never get famous and i quote and let me just re-quote this again for the children

Ellen has lost all her edge she has lost her edge I think yes it's pathetic who like is she a comedian anymore

I say she's not she's a haircut she knows no Ellen is so frustrating she's an emoji she's an emoji alright

here we go I'm ready you know what I'm semi-prepared for this. Okay, bitch! I'm happy to hear that. This is Bowen Gang's I Don't Think So Honey, and time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey turtlenecks? My neck is

too short for you! And listen, I have friends who pull them off so well. Dave Mazzoni, professional choreographer, Dave Mazzoni, has the swan-like neck for it. My friend Matt over here has the neck for it. I don't have the neck for it. And you want to know why?

I've proven this out today because I thought I was going to be bold and wear a new Uniqlo turtleneck that I bought this weekend. And I wore it to work, and no matter how I cuffed it, it looked terrible. I looked like a fucking... I don't know. What even? Like a little Pokemon. I looked like a little Diglett. I looked like a fucking... I don't know. What even? Like a little Pokemon. I looked like a little Diglett.

I looked like a little Diglett. And I can't pull off turtlenecks. If I can't have turtlenecks, then no one can. I don't think so many turtlenecks. Why should we cover up our necks? No one's giving hickeys anymore. There's no practical utilitarian purpose for them anymore. And I don't think we should have them in fashion.

Outlawed turtlenecks. Illegalized turtlenecks, I say. I don't think we should have them in fashion. Outlawed turtlenecks. Five seconds. Illegalized turtlenecks, I say. I don't think so, honey. Fucking turtlenecks. You know what? Armie Hammer wore one in a shoot and he looked crazy in it. Turtlenecks, I don't think so, honey. I do. I feel like I can visually really viscerally see

visually really viscerally me in a turtleneck. No, see Armie Hammer in one as of very recently. Well, because yeah, he's doing all, see, Armie Hammer in one as of very recently. Well, because, yeah, he's doing all these interviews for Call Me By Your Name. Yeah. And he looks amazing. And that is the style now. These turtlenecks with a leather jacket over it and patterned pants.

Nico, he said he's coming to, I don't think so, honey, and he was concerned about being cold. And he said, but don't worry, I brought a bunch of turtlenecks. He'll settle down with some nice lawyer and you'll always no you can't have two lawyers you can't have two oh is he he's a lawyer like you guys the best like the best people to be fans of your work are gay lawyers because it's like they got the money to show up and like the education to get the jokes and it is yeah like okay there you go so there's this guy who listens to pop rocket whose name is dimitri portnoy and he was like well if somebody else is going to post

it i guess i will and he fucking wrote the brief that like all of the biggest first amendment scholars in america like got him and some other lawyers to write a brief that was their opinion about the first amendment for the Colorado bakery case. And it was just like, fuck you. Like, you're writing Kathleen Sullivan's brief for her? Like, you're a goddamn superstar. Why do you come to my show? But better that than the reverse.

Exactly. These, like, gays who are the smartest people in the world who write for fucking Vulture and Slate and should be saving us from north korea but instead they're writing about how you know mercedes ruel did she really deserve the oscar in 92 uh guys i saw torch song trilogy last night oh my god and did you love it it was so good and i have to say um a not great facelift has never fit more perfectly on a character. That's the second rave we've had for that show on this program.

It's so good. I just couldn't adore Michael Urie more. Yeah, and that's the second rave. Drew Droege we had on last episode, and he raved up and down about Michael Urie. I want to get Michael Urie on this show. That would be a great get. I think Michael Urie's too fancy for us. I want to ask him about Ugly Betty. I want to ask Michael Urie on this show. That would be a great get. I think Michael Urie's too fancy for us. I want to ask him about Ugly Betty.

I want to ask him about Becky Newton. I want to ask him about Cocktails and Classics, which Drew is also on. I have to say, I adore Becky Newton. I know that she's probably somewhere, like on a procedural or something. Yeah, where is she, though? Also, I need you guys to understand

that I was recurring on a multicam that Michael Urie was on that was essentially died the week that I shot my first episode. No, I hate that. It was so great. You can't connect the dots that way. Can I tell you what we just auditioned for? What?

Ballers on HBO. Can you fucking imagine? We've been going in for the same stuff this week. All the same stuff. So sad. And it's ballers on hbo we're just in for the the well-groomed assistant who has a twitch in his eye oh anyway how did you do the twitch show me no what you do you go first

no no no it wasn't even that no it wasn't even that bad it was more it was more like it was like that you guys this is hard really well suited for podcasting i believe it's rule of culture number 50 they are and literally you have to give people something to wonder about okay this is guy brandhams i don't think so honey one of this is the selected topic oh and he has his beats written now he's ready to go this is legend legend. First of all, we should just stop and say- He just gave his own book to Stankface. He was like, ready to go, bitch.

Let's just say this is a huge moment. A lot of the listeners will be gagged just that this episode is even existing. Literally, honestly, this is- Well, we'll talk about it after. A dream come true. Okay, this is Guy Branum's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. People who don't respect Pitbull, I don't think so, honey.

Oh, you love your cute little jokes oh he dresses like a short grandpa oh yes i'll accept it he is probably a republican but he is a pop machine he makes jams he has given us as much good as like he is worth five spice girls like everything timber fucking fireball fucking if you cannot respect a song called Sexy Beaches Hotels, you deserve to lose the ability to orgasm because you should not have the capacity to know joy. Your hate is rooted in his failure to provide you with the symbols of culture that you understand.

If he were giving you standard, like, black hip-hop guy, you would have his face tattooed on your thigh. But because he dresses like a small business owner from Palm Beach, you're like, no, I cannot deal with it. When fucking Priyanka Chopra was making her jump over to America, who took care of her?

It was Miss Rose and Mr. Worldwide. You think you are better than Pitbull, but I do not think so, honey. That's one minute. Wow, hot engineer Will just lived his life. You love Pitbull? That one fucking made my day. That's one minute. Wow. Hot Engineer Will just lived his life. You love Pitbull? That one fucking made my day. That was awesome.

That's the best one I've heard yet. That's one for the box. Wow. That was great. You know what? Tonight, I'm going to go home, and before I shut my eyes, I'm going to say, dale. And you know what? Time of my life.

Yeah. I mean, look. Can I just say, those Priyanka Chopra songs are not good, but are wonderful. What are you talking about? I'm talking about exotic. I'm talking about In My City. Are they about Priyanka? Like, they are all sort of, like, thematically.

Like, In My City, he's talking about Miami, and she is talking about Mumbai. She sings on it? Singing? Yes, and the thing is, she doesn't sing in her own movies. Also, I just need to say this to you and to everyone listening. Yes. Culturally. Yes.

Bollywood, I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry, is possibly the best romantic comedy I have ever seen. Okay. I will buy it for both of you on iTunes. It is three hours long, five musical numbers. As all Bollywood movies are. It's almost entirely in English and it is the most fun rom-com like gay rom-com with like

one legit hot guy. It's literally just called, I know I pronounced your chucking lyric, but it's a Bollywood version. No, it's called Dostana. It means friendship. But it's, they have to pretend to be gay to get an apartment. That's fun. And a very layered hair Priyanka Chopra is the girl

who couldn't live with two straight guys I love it I love it I love it I love it you know what Bollywood has been

a blind spot in culture for me and I need to you know what yeah I need to get into Bollywood I think and I think Matt is going to be my partner

in this because I'm just now getting I'm such a late arrival on K-pop but I love it now. I have a, Brandon Scott Jones just did a movie with Priyanka as you were in it as well. Oh, whoa, you were in a movie with Priyanka Chopra? Well, I mean, we didn't share a scene, but I was at the table with her.

She was gorgeous. He said prettier in person. Yes, yes, yes. No. Yeah, I know. Isn't that shocking? Yeah. Okay, so what did B.S.J. tell you?

So Brandon Scott Jones said that he did have some scenes with Priyanka. Yes, yes. And, like, she was pulling up a video of, like, her dancing or something. And he was like, oh, I didn't know you could dance. Oh, my God. And she was like, yeah, I'm a huge fucking Bollywood star. Wait, she said it like that? Something like that.

Something like that. That's great. The fact that they demand choreography out of all their fucking stars is the best. It's old Hollywood. It's old Hollywood. He's a professional. Okay, guys, speaking of, because I love when, because, okay, we haven't listened to you on Pop Rocket for a while. What are your jams?

Oh, yeah, tell us some jams. What are you hitting the streets hard for? I mean, like, these days I'm very much all about Lady Bird. It gave me life. And jams-wise, it's just a lot of pit bull, you guys. There's no way. It really is. It's Celebrate.

It's Sexy Beaches Hotels. It is Fireball. It is Timber. How about this? We're going to name some things, and you tell us if they're your jam. Okay. You go as an example. Pink.

Oh, it is my jam in all of its form, both as color and human being. Okay. Demi Lovato. New Demi Lovato. Yes. Definitely my jam. Great. Louis Fertel, new host of Pop Rocket. I mean, I hate that it's, like, every time I see on Twitter that people are quoting something glorious that he put together,

I'm like God are they even gonna let me back so yes it is my jam okay and I'll ask this because I'm surprised Matt hasn't

knew Kelly I haven't listened okay well that's we had time today for Guy oh no when I associated you

with Kelly Clarkson before like one time incidentally in conversation I implied you might like her and you prickled so hard. No, no, no. Yes, you did. You were very, that's not the entirety of my identity.

Well, it's not, but I do love. And also, I feel literally the entire episode of Wrap Up Show that I was on over at Stern was because Kelly Clarkson was on that day. And I did. I was the Kelly Clarkson expert. Yes. That was why I was the Kelly Clarkson expert. Yes. That was why I was booked. Yeah. Like, but I also will say, I'm almost a little upset that we did all that shit. We talked about Taylor so much,

and I have not had a chance to sit here and tell the listeners of Las Culturistas that I am personally offended and disappointed if you all haven't streamed Meaning of Life or bought Kelly Clarkson's album, Meaning of Life, on iTunes or streamed it on Spotify because it is so fucking good. There are some tracks on it which are so amazing. She sounds so much better than she ever has, which is crazy to even say.

But it's the first time she sounded alive and awake in her music and not bored. And I'm so happy. The new album is so good and also it's been such a good time good season for female pop releases because taylor is very good the demi lovato album is really good excellent i haven't really gotten through the pink album but i know that what i've heard is good and the kelly album is oh my god it's so amazing i'll say the only one that i can't really get into is Miley oh sure younger now I can't get into that album listen to

a couple tracks um but yeah but it's a good time for the ladies sure there you go um well anyway but this is what I was getting at earlier before Guy started is I don't think so honey yeah this um this is a huge this is such a pleasure we love you so much thank you for doing this

truly thank you so much for making the show. Thank you for making me aware of so many delightful people who I would have not known before. Honestly, it's a love fest here at Las Culturistas, and that feels really good after all the bloodletting that we've had. We love Guy Branum. We love you listening. We love Hot Engineer Will.

Yes. And we're so happy he has his own mic. Say goodbye. Thanks, guys. Goodbye, everyone. Well, goodbye, Bowen. Goodbye, Matt. Goodbye. you know hot engineer will yes and we're so happy he has his own mic say goodbye thanks guys goodbye everyone well goodbye bowen um goodbye goodbye oh we we must close off i guess we should sing our song called goodbye goodbye goodbye oh Goodbye, my friend. Goodbye. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, goodbye.

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