Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Duchenne After Dishoom” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

The truth is finally really spoken aloud on Las Culturistas this week as Matt & Bowen catch up on culture, discussing interim agreements vs. scabbing during strike era, The Morning Show returning, Olivia Rodrigo's GUTS and the important of the sophomore album, Chappel Roan on the horizon, the fact that Shucked on Broadway is a blast and, unfortunately, the Drew Barrymore of it all. All this, BONGOS, Joe catching Sophie on the ring camera, Married To Medicine and the overuse of "god damn" in pop music. Consider this episode Dishoom. Now what? >:) Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo, or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow. Look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. I'm in my scab era. No, don't say that. They're going to come for us. Oh, I know. I'm upset, actually, about people. Okay. We're getting off on this foot? We're going to talk about Drew? What are we doing? Okay. So, wow. Immediately thrust into

the topics at hand. Don't apologize. You're about to apologize? I was about to apologize. You know me so well. Bowen is saying he's a scab right now because he's wearing a Mickey Mouse hat. And I have to say, Bowen and Mickey Mouse apparel is actually one of the cutest things

ever. Oh, stop. Oh, stop it. You unblushing. You should get in with the House of Mouse, I really think. After all this They don't want me. They don't want me. They don't want you? The closest I got was Fox Searchlight. Wow. And not even Fox Searchlight, just Searchlight.

Just Searchlight. We can't talk about this. But this, see, here's the thing. Can we talk about the difference between supporting a project that has a waiver and scabbing? Because it feels like the girls are still very confused. Right. And there's much to say. I'm out here. I was going to say shamelessly plugging Dix the Musical, but what's like the level beyond shameless? Like there is no shame and yet there is no shame to be had. Do you know what I mean? It's like.

I would say you are within the bounds promoting the project because the project got a waiver from SAG. We got the interim agreement last Wednesday. I had to pack my bags and rush to the airport. And it was a thrill. And it was so lovely to be in Toronto. We are so grateful, so lucky that we got it. Grateful to the union, grateful to A24.

And this is what I said on stories. It's like, if you, on an ethical perspective, if you like universalize the maxim, it's like, if everyone were to do this, if everyone were to promote their interim project agreement, then what would happen is the strike would be over because then everybody is on board with sag and wga's terms like that's this is how it works like the unions win it is a very thought-out strategy why these things exist there's a reason why there's

no consumer boycott and there's a reason why there are interim agreements. It's because you're able to publicize the way that this can work out and the way that the studios are being so, so, so terrible and austere with how they are negotiating or not even negotiating with the unions. First of all, I'm so happy that the film was so well received. Dix the Musical did so well at TIFF. And it's so exciting. I mean, you can now listen to All Love. Did they call it All Love is Love? It's called All Love is Love.

That is so funny. You can listen to All Love is Love, which originally was titled God is a Faggot. Right. But I guess, you know, to sort of make sure that we don't scare kids off we want kids of course to see the film we want young impressionable minds to be i guess as simply put groomed by the film and so in order to groom these you're about to be a soundbite on fox news by the way but keep going but in order to correctly really groom these kids the way we want to groom them we have to make sure we hide the title of the song.

Yes. And by we, I mean Josh and Aaron and everyone involved in the movie. I am not. I just feel spiritually involved in Dix the Musical. You are. But God is a faggot. You can listen to it now on Spotify and bring your kids into the room. It's important they hear this so they can become demon faggots as well.

God faggots. It's really important we conflate this with Christianity too, and that's how we move our agenda forward. Because we are, of course, demon succubus faggots who want to mold the minds of children first and foremost, so we can create an army which then can push our agenda forward and hopefully exterminate everyone who doesn't agree with us. That is, of course, the mission. Yeah. The mission is for this army of demon faggots to deface one statue, one Confederate statue.

That's it. Right. We're keeping our goals very manageable and achievable. It's just one statue. Yeah. And we won't say which. We won't say which. Because we need the element of surprise.

That's how a war works. That's how civil war is going to work in this case. You know what I mean? We're not going to tell you what we're going to attack, but just that we're going to attack.

You know what I mean? You are full on Joker mode right now. I can feel it. I'm radicalized. I am a demon faggot from hell and I am on the ground

and I feel this movie has empowered me. And I have to say this film Dixie Musical has radicalized me to be the groomer I am and I'll be grooming you're about to see me grooming if it's not clear

these are little bit of jokes little bit of jokes on the pod what else do we want to say what I want to say is that people especially with platforms and this is me being entirely serious need to understand and do their research about who they are calling scabs which is a really damning label to put someone on in a time like this is to call someone who is granted a waiver by the union a scab or to say, look, if it's a strike, it's a strike. That is not true. And it's really, really, really disheartening to see people attack each other based on misinformation or, you know,

worse than just based on misinformation, based on just wanting to get attention. And I genuinely think that that is the case for a couple people. I do not want to get messy, but it's just interesting who some people choose to name and who some people choose to leave out of their criticisms. And that's all I'll say about that. But I will say that when you are out here saying scab, scab, scab towards people who are working on a project that has a SAG waiver, you have a, at this point, willful, I think, misunderstanding of what is going on here and how the strike is working.

And do us all a favor, and secondarily yourself, but do us all a favor by not spreading that misinformation and not being harmful right now. Yes. I understand on a cognitive level what a waiver does. It creates this exceptional circumstance where you go, well, hey, if they're able to do it, then why can't the rest of us or whatever? It's not even that. It's like they think that that is anti-labor and it's literally literally not it's literally not because it's this is a kind of like action that i think people seem to overlook the fact that there is a centralized place where all of these decisions are made the reason we're in the strike is because there is a central negotiating

committee. There's a national board within these unions that got us into these strikes for very good reasons. And it's those same entities that are thinking really far ahead and communicating with us effectively, I think. I think every time the WGEA emails come in, I'm like, okay, here we go. What's this going to be? In a way that I'm like, this is going to be dense with information and we have to interpret this and whatever. But with the interim agreements,

there's a reason why SAG hasn't even backed down from that either. There has been pressure, like a non-negligible pressure from people within the union who are like, hey, maybe we do this less. the union who are like, hey, maybe we do this less. And SAG is like, lol, no, it's actually helping the cause. And actually, the other side is invested in you wanting to mislabel people as scabs or create tension within this labor action that weakens us and weakens our side. The thing is, AMPTP is this

disparate group of companies. One sells you phones, one sends you stuff in cardboard boxes, one is a streamer. These are all companies with different goals and different interests, and they are the ones that are really, really, really not on the same page. And that is to our advantage. And the fact that there are these conversations within the people who make these front-facing videos and make a whole thing about this, I feel like that is

playing directly into that situation for us where we look like we're kind of crumbling. Disorganized, infighting, we're a mess. Also,organized inviting we're a mess also it's like if a film or a project has an interim agreement that probably does mean that they made that interim agreement with a studio or company that is probably not the problem and that's another thing i think is it's like you now start to hear that like a lot of the studios are like fed up with this.

And the reason why we're not, they're not at the table right now is because they're infighting because they really want to end this. And so what I feel like is if there is a problem, we need to start saying who that problem is and start targeting those people. Like, I'll just say it. If the problem is Netflix, we need to start saying the problem is and start targeting those people. I'll just say it. If the problem is Netflix, we need to start saying the problem is Netflix. If that is true, let's start saying

it's true. And I also think there's a really interesting thing that might happen where some studios just break with the AMPTP and say, fuck it, whatever whatever but i think we're getting to the point now where it's going to become pretty obvious who the problem is yeah and where the problem is and i just wonder at what point do we start actually saying that like of course obviously the whole system is the issue and the whole system needs to change but it feels like it can outside of a few holdouts. And I'll just say, if the issue is Netflix, let's just say it's Netflix. Yeah. That's actually a rule of culture. Yeah. Rule of culture number seven. The issue is Netflix. So let's just say it's Netflix. At this point, it's just like, how much more tired can we all fucking get? I've forgotten how to act. I don't know if you have. I don't know the first thing about acting or writing, really. Literally,

I'm not confident that when I get back on screens, I'll be worth my salt. I'm telling you, Bowen, I don't think I've acted. Seriously, I don't think I've acted in over a year. It's within you, Matt. It's within you. It's all about connecting with your inner self. Thank you. And you do that every day. You are my coach. You really do. You really are my coach.

No, no, no. Because I look at you and I'm so inspired. I'm so inspired by your gift. Stupid bitch. I will look at you sometimes. I'll be like, I will have to stop myself from reaching out and touching your shoulder and telling you these words. I'm inspired by your gift.

Because there has to be a separation between best friend and number one fan. You know what I'm saying? It's like, if I told you what a fan I was, you would get a stalker agreement on me. You'd get a TRO, temporary restraining order. What is mutual

stalking, if not best friendship? That's from WandaVision. That's from WandaV's from one division that's actually real culture number nine what is mutual stalking if not best friendship that's from one division i am your number one fan i will out of nowhere readers katie's what was his finalist be like oh my god matt remember that one time you did this like i'm a fucking kid. Stan. I stan this girl. We stan each other. You know how much I stan you.

You know. You're that girl to me. Are you going to cry right now? I could. I could cry. Bitch, don't be crying. Oh my God. Don't be crying because I can't get tactile with you right now on this virtual.

It feels like it's fucking April 2020. I can't even reach out to you and console you. Feels like April 2020 all over again. Not March. March was an amazing month, top to bottom. 2020, I was out there. Oh, March 2020 was the life. Oh, I loved it.

It was so incredible to look around, see nothing. See nothing. Me playing Animal Crossing going well it's only gonna be two weeks guess I'm in my zhuzh

yeah oh me fucking when I think of March 2020 I think of two things a global pandemic and parvati

that was when I fully got into Survivor the turning point of my life the turning point I was gonna say that I am not all the way done

with The Morning Show season two yet. You have one day. I know. Well, I mean, by the time this episode comes out, the season will be on Apple TV+. No, no, no. Not the season.

The first two episodes. So remember, this is not a show that releases all at once. That's right. We actually can't talk about this. No, we can talk about watching the show. We just can't be like promoting the show. Don't watch the show.

I'm going to wring my own neck, I swear to God. We can't be like, this show comes out this time on this day, but we can be like, we're watching this show. For example, I will say many things on this episode one of which will be how much i enjoyed seeing bottoms i am not going to promote the movie but i'm going to talk about how much i enjoyed it that is within our rights as a podcaster during we checked we checked but you got to finish that second season before it comes back do they all just get covid and die is what i they don't all get covid and die in fact none of them get covid

and die they do get covid and almost die or at least jennifer aniston gasps repeatedly i'm dying i'm dying i'm dying you have to get to it i'm telling you it's what happens to jen by the way i for some reason was looking back in our like shared dms or whatever and there was a moment where you posted a story which was me telling you jennifer aniston gets coveted and becomes joe rogan in the finale of the morning show and you just said omg and posted it to your story oh yeah oh yeah i posted the text because you don't know the duchenne laughter that I laughed when I saw that text and I was like, I gotta post this to stories. Now what is Duchenne? Because Duchenne feels like what

we do before we about to meet up with that man Duchenne. Oh, I'm Duchenne. I'm Duchenne and I'm bending over and I get right like Jonathan Groffin looking. Girl, I went to Duchenne. I had to Duchenne because I was going to be like Jonathan Groff

and looking later that night after Dushan which was not the place to go eat beforehand Dushan after Dushan is title of that Dushan after Dushan

after Dushan the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his

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Someone just spilled the tea that Michelle will be joining us in Amsterdam live. Can you even? I can't. And I even, I listened back to the Someone Spilled Some Story. It's brilliant. Michelle Collins is

a treasure, a global treasure at this point. I mean, literally, one of the reasons why we're even doing the show there is because she's there. 1,000%. We're on the way

to booking someone in Berlin that I hope works out. I mean, we're huge fans of this person. Legendary. Legendary. We might have talked about this person on the podcast a couple months ago. Who knows? It's Busted Queen.

She's flying out. I would fly out busted. By the way. Yes, yes. Daniel and everyone at Working the Ice Palace, please use me for any and all poll quotes. And Matt. I mean, both of us., please use me for any and all poll quotes. And Matt. I mean, both of us.

Absolutely. We will say anything you want to say. The underwear party, the best experience anyone can have in humanity. Use that. I am to be used for poll quotes. I'm still on the door at Titanic. That is the chicest thing.

Millions of people around the world are seeing that quote. It's just so funny, Rowan that quote it's just it's just so funny rowan because it's just the word unbelievable and then it says matt rogers lost culture unbelievable you wouldn't believe it did you say it or did you not you said it girl i said it and i'm proud to have said it i mean i mean what is your pull quote for guts by olivia rodrigo my pull quote for guts is the following it's four words i know that's right that's good let's talk about the big pop girly album of the moment, Guts.

So Olivia Rodrigo's long-awaited sophomore album, and you know the sophomore album is maybe the most important album in the pop girly life cycle, to be honest with you. Wouldn't you agree? Melodrama, Fearless, either Fame Monster or Born This Way depending on you know depending on how you identify I mean depending on how you identify in terms of Katy Perry Teenage Dream oh my god

I mean we don't talk about that enough how Katy fully like did away with Sophomore Slumpedness and was like this is one of the great pop albums Breakaway I mean it's when you come in galvanized b-day yep so basically like it's when you solidify whether you're a thing or not and like am i going to and it also sort of says i'm a pop star who reinvents oh by the way stripped stripped

my everything so this is like where you say i'm sort of engaging in being engaging in my own brand in this way or i'm a reinventress and it's basically where you're saying if you're worth your salt because with a debut album you can spend pretty much an entire lifetime creating it you know what i mean like and we don't know about it whereas the sophomore album usually comes like two years later and there's an expectation on it that was not there for a debut album and also you probably had to do it in a shorter amount of time and i think that what olivia rodrigo has delivered here is the promise of the premise with her which is that she is this girl she's this gen z callback i mean this album

could literally be like the clueless soundtrack it could be the 10 things i hate about you soundtrack oh my god it's very that and she stays referential while also being reverential and also her own thing i don't think the album is perfect but i will say I think it's like a 9 out of 10. I think if she ever dips into mimicry a little too far, I'm over the song. But what we have here is an excellent sophomore album. Some of the stuff that she's getting into here is just really beyond her years lyrically. She's an incredible singer and musician i think it was the right choice to dig in with this co-writer daniel negro i think that you really can tell it's a focused vision and i'd love to get into the tracks but what's your

take on the album as a whole i think she has broken a mold that i think no one really had a problem with. But now I'm realizing it's kind of exhausting what these girls have to go through where she was like, I'm going to do my second album. I'm going to like double down on like this one genre funnel that I had on the first. And I'm going to say fuck it to like the concept of eras. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm going to stick to the same. I'm going to stick to purple still. I'm going to like, it's going to be four letters.

Like it's hard to say if this is a continuation of Sour or if it's its own thing. And I feel like it's very much, she doesn't care about that. She's not playing the game the way that like the girls have been like forced to play it in a way. You know what I mean? 100%. And the vocals are

just very agile vocally. And it does dip into mimicry, I think, with one specific song that you and I were talking about a couple days ago. Lacey. Yeah, with Lacey, where you... I didn't really make the connection, but it is giving Lorde. I thought it was Lorde. I actually thought I accidentally was on skip or like,

you know, when Spotify will be like, this is music you'll like if you're listening to this. For some reason, I was like, oh, when did this switch over to Lord? And then I saw it was her. And I was a little surprised to feel like it was so Lord, just because whether or not she deserved to get in trouble for it on the last album, she did get in trouble for the sound alikeness. So I was surprised they weren't a little bit more careful about that, especially on that song.

But really, it's only that song. The rest of it, I forgive the young girl, pop girly generation for the way that they sing. You know what I mean? Because it's a style. It's like when Mariah and Whitney came out and everyone was singing like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Because it's just a style. It's like when Mariah and Whitney came out and everyone was singing like that. You know what I mean? We've seen this before. I'm not going to drag or knock the girls for doing that thing where

they put a lisp on an S because they make it seem like they sound more Indian smart. But Olivia, it's very actually smart challenge. She's like putting on glasses and her vocals. But Olivia is one of the girls out here though, who she can give you quiet, Billie Eilish,

that bedroom thing. But then I think she's one of the girls out there who's like bringing us back to scream, you know, like, like hitting you with a, with a loud, big vocal.

And I kind of like that. We could possibly go back to that direction at some point. Yes. I love the way she uses her voice. And this is the difference. So, she's two things. She's a great singer, and she's a great recording artist. The way that she uses her voice in Bad Idea, right? So fun. You wouldn't really even know this is probably one of the better singers of her generation generation you know what i mean it's just like i'm giving you this and you know she's singing down on vampire and so much of this is so well sung and well articulated and her voice

carries emotion so well but i love the way she's produced i love the way she's her voice is layered i i really like how confident she is in just being so soft on the mic as well as being really loud she this album i think uses her instrument in a way that is even more full and i would say that guts feels bigger than sour uh which of course had some really big moments but this feels like the big moments are bigger and the small moments what i really like about this album what and what i looked for from the first album was it's got much more perspective like whereas i felt that first album was about heartbreak relationship or a situation and about a an. This, I feel, is much more holistic in terms of who she is. And I think I would consider this a real follow-up to Sour.

I almost feel like that's why it's called Guts. And the way that they're stylized similarly, I feel like this is part two of an artist's mission statement thus far, which is like, I'm going to grow in this world growing up. I'm becoming a woman. I've been through hard stuff, and I know I'll go through hard stuff, and I'm unabashedly emotional. And there's something really cool about that in terms of the genre that she's chosen to express that because

it does feel like it's perfectly enmeshed with what's stylistically and aesthetically trending right now. It just feels like she is the voice of this generation. Maybe even in a different shade of the way Billie is. You know what I'm saying?

Totally. Totally. I think that the bookends of this album first and last track are the thesis you know it's like all american bitch we can we can do a track by track all american bitch i think is the perfect sort of and that's the very 10 things i hate about you soundtrack it's like yeah it's like sunshine on my window and then like it goes into like a full fucking rocker yeah rock thing what am i saying but you know that shot of like 10 things i hate about you where it's like that crane shot from like that outside the house and then it like goes in on julia styles i think that

is first of all love that she is like every 20 year old girl out there reading joan diddy and going all american bitch wow i'm gonna use that like i just think that is such a perfect song the ending of that song so good like i'm grateful all the time it's a great opener it launches you in she released a live performance of it which is great i mean she's like i love how committed she is to all of it you know what i mean like what i really appreciate her is it really feels like it's about the music yes i don't feel like I'm being forced to personality. You know what I mean? And that's not a knock on her personality.

I think she seems cool and I think she seems really smart and talented, but I love that, you know, even in the press that she's done, she's obviously really smart because she's completely been able to navigate all these traps that are being set for her which are for her to talk badly about taylor um and for her to you know comment on certain situations that could then be sensationalized and it is a credit to her and you know the people

around her that she is not becoming that narrative because yeah she has so clearly written a song about that. And yet, will not fall victim to the media sensationalizing that can happen. And of course, I'm talking about The Grudge, which, you know, it's written so specifically that we know what this is talking about. But also, I listened to it again with the mentality of, but is this universal? Could an argument be made that this is not about that relationship? And the answer is yes. I think that we're all listening to it with a certain lens. Like, is she responding to the fact that Taylor, as a result of alleged mimicry on Deja deja vu and one step forward three steps back on the

last album got songwriting credit for her and antonoff on those tracks like is it that disappointment that's being funneled into that song i think yes but the song is very beautifully about being let down and i thought about the people who have let me down in my life and every word of that song spoke to that and the specific, you know, feeling of not being able to understand someone's motivations and not being able to understand when someone has acted with cruelty towards you. There's something really universal about that song that I think she needs to be given more credit for. Totally. And I think the only layer of specificity that she puts on top of that is that it's clearly about a mentor figure, and then people make the leap to Taylor. And she knows. She's very aware of that, I think. But you're right.

If you do a close read on the lyrics, you're like, well, this is just about personal disappointment and it could be romantic. It could be this. It could be that. But I think, I can't specifically quote a lyric, but I feel like she says something to the effect of like, I looked up to you or something. Yeah. You have everything. That kind of is the biggest giveaway.

But also, when you're disappointed like that, when you don't understand someone's intentions or motivations for something, that's a cognitive thing you go to. It's like, you have everything. Why do you want something from me? Yeah, I felt this way. And that was part of the re-listen I did to it. I was like, you know, the people in my life that I looked up to and then showed me who they really were, like, does this work? It does. you know what i mean like and i think that a lot of girls that age and a lot of people in general are going to really identify especially people who are you know learning to deal with new success learning to deal with new situations learning to do with new influences learning to deal with what it means when someone finally sees you

and then you can really see them. Yeah. I mean, if I'm in high school right now and this album, like it's over. For sure. Like this is my entire personality. Oh yeah.

She's fostering a connection with her fans that is going to be forever. Like I think this album solidifies her, for sure. Totally. Love Bad Idea. What she does on All American Bitch and Bad Idea is even though those are talky songs or something,

on Bad Idea, on the last, seeing you tonight, really sends it in the right way. At the end of all american bitch i know my place i know my place like so like vocally oh like she's an actress she's an actress she's an actress that idea right is pure like performance it's pure like i'm gonna give you like the line read quote unquote on like but i I really can't remember when, but I really can't remember when.

So good. It's really good. And you know, I just feel like they were in the booth and getting these takes and being like, yes, yes, yes.

You know, like she's just, she scores again and again. And I will say, you know, where she really shines for me. And I'm super susceptible to this shit because you know the pisces rising pisces cancer moon was gonna jump out emotional girl the house down but when she goes to ballad

town i am i'm really with her and it's not just that but like the song logical the song making the bed that area of the album i just really really really was impressed by her specificity and her perspective and how much she's willing to share because that's another area that i was wondering if we'd get into is it's like this idea of when you're at that age and really at any age where you've been through like a threshold like where you've had like a watershed moment there's a bunch of new people surrounding you and she talks in making the bed about how like she looks around and doesn't recognize situation she's in doesn't like it feels like she's like you know numbing herself out with

like drugs and alcohol and by the way she is 20 you know what i mean so it's like not to say that there's anything negative or nefarious about that but like she has had the world placed at her feet she probably saw dicks the musical and she was a demon became a demon this this girl is really susceptible to grooming to grooming and please dear god no that we're kidding but i'm just saying it's like she says in the in the last song, Teenage Dream, like, when am I going to stop being wise beyond my years and just be wise? Like, I guess the thing is, like,

it is really impressive that she's able to articulate these things so young. So, like, she is quote-unquote wise beyond her years. And I think that, like, she's got a point there where it's just like, you know, just accept me for who I am. But the fact is, like, it is impressive that she's able to get this across so cogently and so so musically appealing at the same time but you know what she's gonna write she's gonna write from the other side of that thought when she's like in her 30s and she's gonna be like oh like i this is the moment in song of

when you realize that you're like, quote unquote, like older. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That's a moment. That is like the tea right now for us. I mean, yeah. Well, it's happening with Taylor Swift.

She literally did it. That's what antihero is. You know what I mean? It's like. That's what nothing new is or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, so much of that, like the, sometimes I feel like I'm, everybody is a sexy baby and I'm a monster on the hill is only a line. You write when you feel like they're going to toss you out of the way. And there has to be something to that. I mean, we've seen it be a narrative in Taylor's stuff now for the last few years. Like she even gets into it in the Miss Americana documentary about what's going to happen when they're done

with you. I believe the way she phrased it was how much longer I'll be tolerated. Which is a lot to think about. I had a dream about Taylor. I had a dream that we were backstage somewhere and then she was like, yeah,

well, I don't really know what my life is going to be after this tour. She was like, wait, this is so uninteresting. Oh my God then she was like yeah well i don't really know what my life is going to be after this tour like she was like wait this is so uninteresting oh my god she was opening up to you in the dream in a fun way she was like yeah like after this like i don't know what the fuck i'm doing which is like not at all well you know what that is what that's your subconscious asking that question about yourself totally what. What am I going to do after Era Store is done? Exactly. What is your next era? Dreams are about replacement, sublimation,

something standing in for another thing. Absolutely. Absolutely, Queena. Queena. I would say another one of my favorite songs is Love is Embarrassing. I fucking love her performance on Love is Embarrassing I love her performance on Love is Embarrassing that bizarre choice

it's very Fergie it's so weird my thing is I don't think she can be weird enough I want to hear all that weird shit because that is what makes an icon you know what I mean like that yeah she's

like i said referential yet reverential and i would say anything she can do to dig into something no one else would do is where she's gonna shine because it's far and few between those moments on this album where i'm like this sounds like lord but they are there and i feel like she so has her own identity and her own musical identity and her own thing so she should just keep going we don't know if that's like a label thing though right if they're like we want a song that sounds like blank you know what i'll say is i would actually i would imagine the label is pretty hands-off musically but probably in her shit aesthetically and totally right i would imagine they care a lot more about the way things are marketed than the way things sound because they're not experts in that sure but then it

it's funny because to think about taylor i feel like with 1989 it's like well you have a song that sounds like heim and i wish you would and you have a song that sounds like Haim and I Wish You Would and you have a song that sounds like Lana in Wildest Dreams and then lo and behold like they're in the squad you know what I mean so that's like the Taylor move but I feel like

with Olivia it's like I'm gonna write a song that sounds like I'm gonna sound like Billy in here and I'm gonna sound like Lord there and the fact that they're not like buddy buddy makes it more susceptible to like you're cribbing a little. Am I making any sense? Yes but I would

say like on first listen to the album I was so thrown by Lacey I was like wait that really sounds like Lord. So then I thought it was a bigger issue with the album than it ended up being because I listened to it again and I'm like she really, that really sounds like Lorde. So then I thought it was a bigger issue with the album than it ended up being because I listened to it again. And I'm like, she really doesn't need to do that. Sound like that many other people too much.

Not more than these million other pop girls coming up. I don't know. Because again, I have the thing happen where it's like, I like a certain song, right? And then it'll give me 10 different artists. All the girls sound the same. They all sound the same and the fact is that is so much less a problem with olivia rodrigo than everyone else but because she is so much more public and because she is that girl right she's gonna get picked on it but the truth is had she not been in interviews saying yes deja vu was really inspired by taylor swift's cruel summer

like had she not been like so obvious in the one step forward three steps back i mean that's literally the same chord and manner of playing as the other song like she wouldn't be you know that wasn't quite the same battle as deja vu was because with one step forward with that song it was like oh no this is a sample from new year's day yeah right and like that was like not as contentious i think yeah but yeah you're right it's like she in her like debut era rookie move whatever you want to call it was like yes i am inspired by these people and then that kind of left her open to these things. Because in my opinion, Taylor and Jack have no right having writing credit on Deja Vu.

Because then go through all the other girls of that generation and pick out the ways in which they've been inspired by Taylor Swift and take writing credit on all of that. I mean, like, it's just, that is ridiculous to me. And I felt was to prove a point in a way that would really hurt me if I was Olivia. Like, I completely understand that. As an 18-year-old at the time, yeah.

Especially as someone who has said, this is my hero. Like, I don't think that was cool. And I'll just say that. The other song, yeah, literally. But Deja Vu, I don't think. Yeah. I was going to say something else. Oh my God. chapel road does backing vocals on some of these songs really yeah i think it's

and like in the if you look at the like the personnel or whatever and like in like write-ups it's been like she's enlisted people kind of like contemporaries or whatever whatever you want to call it like chapel road like does a lot of backing stuff on the album, on Guts. Oh, amazing. Isn't that cool that Olivia sees it? She's like, ew. For sure. I mean, first of all, I watched the live performance of Kaleidoscope last night. Chapel Roan released a live performance of Kaleidoscope.

She is so the next one. And I really feel like everyone needs to, if you haven't already turned your attention, turn your attention. She should be up. Talk about like best new artist like that should be a name in the conversation especially with 15 000 nominees like this girl i don't know when exactly her album comes out is there a date for it there's september 22nd oh my god it's coming yep and she's major and also if you've seen her show live in the past like six seven eight months

because she was touring like you know that some of the new music that she's done in the show that's still coming is really really good she has an amazing ballad called coffee that's not out yet but i mean every single single that she has released i've been been like, oh my God, not only am I excited, but I remember this from the show. Wow. That never happens. Yes. Every song has full memorability and identity and value in that way where

I just know this debut album is going to give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give. It's going to give the give. I can't wait. Rise and fall of a Midwest princess. Love. She's so her own, give, give. It's going to give the give. I can't wait. Rise and fall of a Midwest princess. Love. She's so her own thing, I feel. It's like she's just doing TikToks from her room.

Yeah. Not that that's like, you know, unique to her and like other pop girlies aren't doing that. But it's like she, there's something very, she's a real one. There is an extremely old soul there, which is really exciting because she's also young and stupid. But this is why I described her when I left the concert as Annie Lennox meets Kesha, because there is a spirit in there that is connected to this instrument, which is so incredible, but there is,

there is a real frivolousness, but it's yet it's still really thought out and targeted. Like it is a pop star creation, but it's also self-aware and it's fun, but it's also soulful. And that is really exciting. You and I are kind of opposites in this way where you're a ballad girl and I'm not so,

but even on casual, I'm like, Ooh, this is such a lovely little mood. You, would you call it casual? Oh, strip it down. It like is, I mean, I would call it mid tempo, but like strip it down. That's beautiful song. And that's the thing is this album, when it comes out, I feel like when you think about the songs that she's released thus far, you're not going to think ballad, but like it's going to give balance. Cause I you i can't wait you gotta watch the live performance of kaleidoscope i love kaleidoscope and then this song coffee that's coming i remember she sang it in the concert and i was pretty fresh at that point you were basically the fight the lyrics were like i don't want to get coffee with you because it's not just coffee for me like it's it's

so much more like there's so many ways i can fall if i even give you a little bit and so she just plays with this idea i remember afterwards i like turned around to everyone around me strangers i was there with sudi and matthew vaughn who was my producer for my special who introduced me to her a straight man wow he was like you gotta check out chaperone man she's fucking sick he had been to see her a billion times and i was like turning around to everyone and being like fuck and everyone was like yeah like this is the real thing that's why i compare it to early gaga is because there was a palpable excitement that was like literally on everyone's skin i mean people were like it's a movement not a moment

you are not the first person that i've talked to who was like all right i went to her show and in this city and it was giving early gaga and it was like matt rogers my sister said the same thing yeah anyway and you know i don't send you a lot of music because I'm like I assume you've already like heard it or like it's someone that's like it's like when I sent you um who was I like

FKA Twigs 15 years after FKA I'm like oh my god FKA Twigs and you were like you were the dumbest person in America I didn't say you were dumb no but like you know what I'm saying it's like God, FKA Twigs. And you were like, you are the dumbest person in America. I didn't say you were dumb. No, but like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't send you a lot. I was like, no, she's great.

And she's been around since like 2012. Like she's been here. I don't know. It just wasn't part of my landscape. But Chapel, I was like, I have to send this to Bowen. I was like, I don't think he knows. I'm so glad you did. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.

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Sudi and I saw Shucked on Sunday. Oh, did you have the best time? I adored it. Yeah, it was a blast. I just go, this. I want this on Broadway a million times. Give me a hundred of these over like existing IP.

You know what I'm saying? Well, was Alex in it? Alex was in it. Oh my God. They were fat. And suiting me the observation, like if you like put in earplugs or if you like put the whole show on mute,

if everybody on mute challenged, but like Alex was still singing, like it's just so effortless. Okay. So like podcasts are in a visual medium, but the studio was just doing this. Just opening the mouth. No effort.

It's literally effortless coming from Alex Newell. And you're like, oh my God. Independently Owned was a triumph. That was a 20 second applause. Oh, there was a mid-song standing ovation when I was there. Wow, wow, wow. It was a mid-song standing ovation when I was there. Wow. Wow. It was a mid-song standing ovation. It was wild.

The energy was crazy. That whole cast, though. To say nothing of the rest of the music. The music was great. Shout out Shane McAnally. Ray Henson. Yeah, who wrote the music. Who's a big-time country music songwriter.

And he's not the only one. So I want to make sure I say his partner's name in this because she's also major. Oh, Brandy Clark. Brandy Clark and Shane McAnally, shout out who wrote the music. This music was great. The book. Robert Horn.

Robert Horn. Just, it was such a blast to watch. It was so dumb and silly and just fun the direction to jack o'brien um oh scott pass see designer that's so cool i know that guy but i just i just thought the whole cast all the cast like such precise comedic performance yeah in a way that in a way that kind of like and I don't mean this in the pejorative sense, but it's in a way that kind of transcends like Broadway comedy,

Broadway humor, quote unquote, which we love. But this was just pure like, the dad jokes, of course, and you laugh at how corny they are, LOL, so to speak. But there are like genuine moments of like, oh my God, I haven't laughed this much at a show. And what what sudi was pointing out was you got all the fucking dads in the audience

howling along with the moms and the kids and like the tiktok influencers who are like sitting next to you like yeah it's a big old hit it's a big hit that like kind of invites everybody to like just have a good time and that's so so weird. That's so rare these days, but, um, everyone, great Henson, um, Ashley Kelly,

who I met, she was so lovely. Andrew Duran, who's great. John Bellman was the Gordy. He was such a good villain turned like, Oh yeah. Redeemed hero or whatever in the end.

Like it's just a lovely, lovely time. And I really thought the marketing was very effective. Cause I think like once, you know, you know, like think when New York saw these ads go up on the train, we were like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And I think it kind of makes you go in blind and have your expectations be pretty vague or non-existent.

And then the way they did this was perfect because I went in being like, I don't know what I'm about to see. And then it starts off, it's silly and frivolous and stupid and fun. And then the corn stalks like lift up and die and everyone's screaming on stage. I'm like, this is hilarious.

I love it. I'm so happy you guys both enjoyed it so much because it was, I had the best time. And I agree. It's a really, it's one of those things where it's like, if your parents are coming to New York, it's a great parent show. It's a great parent show.'s a great parent show it would be a huge hit and i know that like i think when it first

came out i was like huh like just like everyone else and then it ended up being one of my faves that i'd seen i also experienced some new culture and i mentioned it at the top but i did go to see bottoms this was so fucking good and if you haven't gone to see it you gotta i mean the way that gen z was really fed by guts and also bottoms lately like this io and rachel are such stars in it emma seligman the director she can and will do it all i'm telling you like there is there is a style of the way that she shoots the dialogue she shoots it very directly like it's it's i can't even really it's just all the comedy just sings and it is fucking funny first and foremost like of course it's um it's about their central friendship but i just loved a movie that just was like i just fucking laughed the entire time i love it so much more violent than you think it's gonna be the entire cast like

and this movie is like patrick rogers said it best he said it was like dada it was like completely insane and unhinged but in a way where every actor was so like uniform in the tone and knew exactly what they had to do and the two of them are like big fun characters but they're also great anchors the supporting characters are like really crazy and like everyone's got their own thing that's like very well defined which is a compliment to the script and the direction like you don't feel like any characters are thrown away you know exactly who everyone is and it really feels like just like almost like a surreal version of a high school comedy that we haven't seen because people have been like oh you know that looks like clueless or mean girls or easy a

no this is like its own like fucked up world yeah and i thought that that was like a really signature thing on this movie is it it operates actually in like outer space right but in a setting that's like familiar enough to us that in that way references all those movies. For example, the football players are never not in their football uniforms. They're in school in their football geish the whole time.

That's funny. I can't say enough. You gotta see Bottoms. And it's so... Just from what I know and what I've heard, it's so different from Shiver Baby. It's like, oh, that Nats I know and what I've heard, it's like so different from Shiva Baby. It's like,

oh, that Natsuno Emma is going to go to death. Completely different. Yeah. Another Dada work, Dicks the Musical. And actually,

having not seen bottoms, I don't really know what people mean when they say this, but I think a lot of like, they're like, oh, these two movies

coming out within however, you know, a month or two of each other is like really great dadaist oh yeah that's a nice moment for cinema where that we might not have again for a long time where it's like these ridiculous movies where it were dicks dicks people were like missing

jokes because they were laughing in toronto and it was like oh but wait you missed that one it's like it's these psychotic two-handers that were made like with you can tell without much of a budget but they have vision you know what i mean like it has a vision it has a everyone's really on board with what they're doing and i don't know it was inspiring for me watching it i was psyched. I just can't say enough. I mean, I knew I would like it, but I was like blown away. And they're both such stars. I mean, it's really cool.

They were Lost Cult guests first. And then they became stars. Well, we wanted to have them on, but we're not allowed to do that right now, but soon. We can literally say, on this podcast, and just so people

are, you know, jumping to anything, it's like, Matt can talk about how much he enjoyed this movie, having not been in it, or been involved, or written it, but we are obviously aware that we cannot have the stars of the film come out, come on the podcast. Right. So, and I did actually want to loop it back

to the beginning of this conversation because I do want to talk about the Drew Barrymore thing. So like, just to make a distinction, what she is doing, and we love Drew Barrymore. We love her. We've talked about how much we love her on this show. Oh, she's a legend and, but she is making a big mistake. Like what she's doing is wrong.

And I'm actually really surprised that she's crossing picket lines. Her arguments don't make any sense. Her post, I'm like, A, this is not a public service you're doing. A daytime talk show is

not like this mitzvah. You know what I mean? It's not this amazing thing you're doing to help heal society's wounds at a time like this. So please don't frame it as that. And secondly, she's like, don't forget I backed out of the MTV Movie Awards

at the beginning of the strike. It's manipulative. Well, it's the strike. It's like, well, yeah. It's manipulative. Well, it's manipulative. And you're also going, well, then it is extremely meaningful and fucked up that you would like kind of say fuck it all after like a few months, you know?

Yeah, I think that what it is with Drew is she's bleeding hard. I think her intentions are good. I think she's thinking about her crew and her staff. And I think she's also thinking about the longevity of the show because I think that the show is very meaningful to her. And I think she's looking around and seeing, you know, series get canceled left and right.

And I think she's in a really, you know, when you're the lead of a daytime talk show like that, there's a lot of pressure. So I understand that it might not be an easy situation for her but this decision should have been an easy one because you can't go out there and say you know we're in compliance not talking about or promoting struck television shows and films when yours is one of them and what we are what we are showing here without any interim agreement or waiver or like any communication really with people that would advise her not to do this is what she's doing is this is the opposite of of disruption in the industry because what she's saying is i actually

can do my show without my writers and that is exactly the ideology that we are fighting against because she is not attached to a studio or a system that is complying. She is simply just going back to work despite the fact that her writers aren't working, which is insulting, and it is wrong. And it's not like she's new to the business. No. And that makes it even more frustrating because another thing is, if she were concerned, she is certainly in a financial position to take care of her crew and her staff. And I'm not saying what anyone should do with their money. This is conjecture, really. But I mean, Kelly Clarkson is paying her staff.

You know, and I don't mean to compare them and I don't mean to put, I'm just saying there is precedent for taking care of your staff, especially when you are Drew Barrymore. No. You know what I mean? Compare them. They're two huge daytime talk show hosts and one is not crossing the picket line, and the other is. I just know that there comes a certain amount of, you know, it becomes different when you do this with women. And I don't mean to do that. I'm just saying there is precedent for supporting your staff during this time that does not require that everyone cross a picket line now especially now and it's when these areas for what is acceptable

and what is not acceptable should be really well defined and we should know better for us to deliberately not know better and then try to excuse it publicly feels really yeah and i feel like the what how they're trying to control the narrative is also really strange because they kicked out two audience members who were just wearing pins. This is bad. Wearing pins. Barely even visible from the monitor, the screen. It's like, you can't, the audience at home isn't going to clock it necessarily. So that's one.

Two, they said they were kicked out because of security concerns. And then Drew has to put out a statement saying that she was not, or someone has to put out a statement from the show saying that she was not aware of this. That's not, it's not relevant. Right. It shouldn't have gotten there. And I mean, like I said, I had a lovely, wonderful time when I was on that show. I adored everyone that worked there.

It just feels like I wish that there was a little bit more consideration given to this decision because it is not the right no and i hate seeing people that otherwise are so beloved and have done the right thing and like so clearly have their heart in the right place make a big decision like this that's wrong because you just know that she's getting like dragged all over and she doesn't not deserve it for this decision it's just when she's a good person and is not someone who's like you know not to name names but like evil or actually deserving of the vitriol that they're getting like or up or part of a bad system. It sucks. I wish this hadn't happened.

Yeah. But I wanted to say that there's a distinction between what's going on with Drew Barrymore and what's going on with actors in Venice who have waivers and Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson who have a waiver with SAG

for A24 to be able to promote this movie and we will have them on the podcast and we're in compliance so just try and understand before you react because now it's getting to the point where it's like do you actually have a reason to be upset or were you told you should be upset and so now you are like it just feels silly yeah i think people are just informed by literally whatever they're informed by. I know that's what you're saying, but it's like sometimes there is no

potting soil for it. It just shoots up like a weed. I understand. It's like I said at the beginning of the episode. I understand cognitively how these waivers are strange and they're confusing and you don't know what to make them. And you go,

well then what makes this strike effective? How can we be, how can we win when this is like causing so much infighting, but it, that, that is an outcome that the studios are invested in for you as in someone in the unions who is, who is mischaracterizing something like this as scaven

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Have you been bouncing your ass to bongos? Absolutely. Oh my God. We all watched the video between things in Toronto and it was just like, God, this is so pussy tight like a nun. I mean, I just have to say, I would go to Met Gala in a row but i can body every look and i can body every pose poetry the video is i love it next level they look so unbelievable like and also just that last final height until like cardi and that like trixie mattel by way of reba mcintyre wig i was so into

it they look amazing and i'm sorry but the product placement is like perfect i don't i'm not gonna eat or drink any of that but cardi sells the fuck out of it she's enjoying whatever the pretzels chips i forgot she's enjoying the drink. Nothing funnier to me than product placement. I love it. Lean in. The way she's putting these things in her mouth, she is selling it.

She is experiencing pleasure unlike any history. Anyone has ever known. She's experiencing pleasure unlike anyone has ever known. That's experiencing pleasure unlike anyone has ever known. That's actually rule of culture number 31. Cardi B is experiencing pleasure unlike anyone

has ever known. Wow. I have to say, it's been on repeat, but like was it you who told me that like the internet was split on it? Yeah. What's their point? I think their point is um it's it's this is basically the same as wop and you go yeah and what's the problem with that

and wop it was clearly like a coat like early lockdown video where like they were like not shoot they were like far apart or whatever they're they're scissoring now are you happy i i mean i i don't understand when something is a grand slam let's use a baseball analogy shall we if you have one home run and then there's another home run you just hit two home runs no one's mad would you are you bored because of the second home run or are you cheering again boring people are bored my sister ate my sister ate hey bitch how many letters in devoured eight girl what's four plus four eight girl what time is my favorite show on eight o'clock thank you thank you a t e o clock oh i wanted to say i went to the jonas brothers concert not for me and i got a lot of hate because i guess we're supposed to be on

sophie turner's quote-unquote side can i just say we don't know these people we don't know these people although were you so were you at the show where joe was like if it's not from these lips, don't believe it. First of all, if he said that, I didn't hear it. And I don't know or care. The rumor that I heard, and not that I know or care either, but the rumor that I heard, and someone like, quote, tweeted it in a really funny way. But the headline is like, allegedly, Joe had like ring camera footage of Sophie saying things on audio and like caught her saying something or doing something with someone or whatever.

I did hear about the ring camera of it all. So then someone quoted that tweet and went, she's been stealing Amazon packages all over the city. All over town. Turner Amazon package thief caught by ring light I want that scandal so bad like Game of Thrones actress 27 caught in widespread Amazon theft package scheme

stealing packages Sansa's face on a ring light like a gorgeous face. My God, what a star. She should be on an HBO show. She is, girl. I know, Karina. I will say, I think there were three songs I recognized, one of which was

Burning Up for You, Baby. That's a classic. They have such, and I'm just going to say it, stupid little voices. Yeah. Jealous. I definitely shook my ass to that. Love jealous.

Love cake by the ocean. Love that. And then I definitely was like, I'm a stalker for you. You had fun. I had fun. First of all, it's called five albums, One Tour or something.

It is so long. And they were doing their own little version of Eras. And I was just like, girl, we have to differentiate between the eras. That's what keeps the plot moving here. It feels very the same again and again and again. But they are not my culture. They never were. They never will be.

I have respect for what they do. And I honor any Joe Bros fans, but were. They never will be. I have respect for what they do and I honor any Joe Bros fans, but still haven't seen Camp Rock. I know. Well, we talked about this, how that was just one micro generation below us. Correct. And I think it may remain that way. Although, you never know. One of these days, I may

pop it on. Yeah. But I'm married to Medicine Wormhole right now. Oh, I need to get on your level. You have work to do with Morning Show, so. I have work to Medicine Wormhole right now. Oh, I need to get on your level. You have work to do with Morning Show, so... I have work to do with Morning Show. Thoughts on Salt Lake City? Thoughts on Roni? Great premiere of Salt Lake.

Mary Cosby is back. Thank God. Oh, it's back on tonight? I can't wait. Yes, cannot fucking wait. Big night tonight, eating. I thought Roni actually put me to sleep this week unfortunately and what no one knows is that the atlanta reunion at the last second was really giving gabe was drew walked off is that what happened she walked off but walked back in and then she

sang her new song on stage to ralph and it was was so awkward and but delicious and it was it was something more awkward than when Nicki Minaj made Candace sing drive back it was more awkward than that that was awkward oh because you're saying the entire song oh well see she's not a good she's not a seasoned performer she knows not she would know not to do that. I would say her voice is good, but it was just like, this man is really going to sit here and like, you're going to sing this weird song just to a backing track. And the way she was like looking at him and pointing her finger in his face. I was like, this is a lot.

Anyway, the season was terrible. The reunion was great. And that's all I guess I have to say about that. I told you this off pod. I've done a season nine rewatch of Atlanta. Oh, the best season. And just to get the full lead up to, who said that? Who had been saying that?

Yep. Oh, you get that and more. Oh, you get... Have you gotten to the reunion yet? I'm about to get to the reunion. But no, the whole season's excellent. I mean, like, Phaedra, like, the bomb in Phaedra's office. Frickin' frack. Frickin' frack excellent. I mean, like, Phaedra, like, the bomb in Phaedra's office. Freaking frack. Freaking frack.

And, I mean, yeah, like, this show was a vibe. And then you forget that, like, this Phaedra fucking left after this season. Never to be seen again until Ultimate Girl Strip. Wait until you see the reunion. By the way,

the first ever four-part reunion because there was just so much going on. Explosive. It was crazy. I can't wait. I want you to really let me know when you are doing that so that I can be by my phone. Yes, girl. When Atlanta's good, it's great.

When it's bad, it's really bad. It's dreary when it's bad, but when it's great, it's one of the best. That's true for a lot of things, really'm gonna get into it actually i have i have a good idea for my i don't think so honey i have one that is about something we talked about and it might shock you and people but i'm sorry i'm leading with that before yours that's so rude of me oh my god okay well now everyone is on the edge of their seat this is no honey this is i So, Honey. This is I Don't Think So, Honey. This is where we take one minute to really go into a

polemic, honey, about something in culture that we hate, despise. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, if you're sleeping on Married to Medicine. I said it years ago about Potomac and I feel we got some people,

some readers, some finalists, some publicists, some Katie's to go in that direction. I am saying it now for Married to Medicine. This is one of the best shows on Bravo. Some of these reunions, Andy Cohen, your best work. The real shit happens

on Married to Medicine reunions. Dr. Jackie is an icon. Dr. Simone is an icon. Quadweb, I am a super fan to Miss Quad. We all have to be watching Married to Medicine. It returns very soon. And Phaedra Parks, I think, started dating a doctor just so she could get on the show. I don't know if that's a real relationship.

It feels convenient to me, but I don't care because we're going to get Phaedra on Married to Medicine in the cast. And remember, all these women are Atlanta women, so they are naturally friends. What I love about this show is the relationships are real. The marriages are really crumbling and being rebuilt. We see real movement at the reunions and in the show. These women are funny and they're professionals. I don't think so, honey, if you're sleeping unmarried to bed. And that's one minute. i have caught a couple episodes and i remember being intrigued and now you've really sold it to me you want to know what it is the stakes are so

high it doesn't feel like a stupid show because the stakes are high because well i mean not only like um are they real friendships but like they're really really really committed to what they do and passionate about what they do. And it was a really fascinating season. I believe it was season eight when COVID was hitting. And also, you know, like the Black Lives Matter protests were happening. And it was just like a really, really engaged season for them. And it's just like a really, really, really fun and good show.

And I would say if you're a fan of the Housewives stuff and you haven't engaged with Married to Medicine, you're going to get everything you want from a Housewives franchise and more with Married to Medicine. Love, love that. I can't wait to watch. And now, we were teased earlier. God, you ever look at your phone and you haven't looked at it for a while and you see the amount of stuff and you're like i know i know no i can't i can't think about

it okay so anyway that's happening to me and i'm overwhelmed but right now what we're going to do is we're going to turn to bone yang and we're going to say bone yang are you ready to tell your i don't think so honey i. Then, that being the case, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey saying goddamn in a song. I'm sick of it. Sometimes it feels like a shortcut

to like fill in some syllables. Olivia's doing it. Taylor's doing it. They've all done it for too long and it always hits the ear a little wrong. I don't like when someone says, God damn. The only time I've liked God damn in a song

is Beyonce Flawless. Otherwise, I think, now why do you have to say that? I don't like it. I don't like it. It just sounds off, right? What does Olivia say on Guts? Oh, on a goddamn vampire.

And I'm like- A goddamn vampire. 15 seconds. It feels like first pass. I was like, you could have found a better two-syllable thing to put in there. I'm just saying, not that I could do her job better than she can or Dan and I grew up, but I think and I say, we got to cool it with the goddams in songwriting these days. It's gotten to be too much. And that's and that's one minute what about this like a motherfuck vampire

motherfuck motherfuck i would love i don't understand what's so are you religious i'm not religious but i don't like it when i just, it's something, something really doesn't sit well with me when I hear goddamn being used a little, a little gratuitously in, in, in songs. Goddamn offends you. I don't mind when someone says it in conversation or in dialogue or anything, or when someone speaks it, I just think it's like, yeah, it's a war. It's a goddamn fight in my life. And you start, I'm like, but you didn't have to say goddamn, Taylor.

You know what I mean? I just think goddamn is like, it's just filler. It's just lyrical filler in music. Can I ask you a question? And it's not just Olivia and Taylor, obviously. It's like every, obviously it's an English word.

It's a lot of people. Do you accept it in Flawless by Beyonce because it's its own thing like goddamn goddamn and it doesn't feel like a filler so you don't like god damn as a filler lyrically okay i must have readers case published as finalists who get who understand me and if you don't that's fine i'm sure you do but i i just i notice that word a lot and it's not because i'm religious or anything but it is because i'm just like we're really we're really doing this a lot aren't we just just just just notice just notice anytime someone says god damn in a song i just wait i just think hmm did it need to be did it need to be

and and and you gotta think with olivia like when she was cursing on Sour, I'm like, well, is she just doing this? Cause it's like, she can and she's young and it's shocking. And then I remember when, what a moment was when Taylor started cursing in her songs. It was like, it's this, it's this thing where like it kind of grates against like the way these people have like recently developed in front of your eyes or something. I don't know. Am I making any sense? You're making sense.

I just think that you always want to challenge the girls to I'm not challenging. No, this is not a natural like do better. I get it, but like it's one of those things. It's like something that you hear that like irks you. I'm irked. Did you hear

and I think it's illogical when olivia was like i can't do this i can't do this i can't get you off i know i'm like i said i said i had to say grew on that one i literally grew it i was like and i i haven't grewed in a while that's a gorgeous guru oh it's sounding very clear right now and i'm not even getting it on Zoom because it's like suppressing it. You're not getting it on Zoom? You didn't get that? I can tell that it sounds beautiful. Because you were giving Alex Newell, you were just giving a perfect tone,

but the face was neutral. Oh. Hmm. Wow. Well, anyway. perfect tone but the face was neutral oh hmm wow well anyway that's what makes me an amazing singer and recording artist because i can use the mic too to tell a story goddamn vampire see i just it sounds kind of like lame to me it doesn't bother me, but now it does. You don't have to agree with me. Because I'm in the gay army with you. We're out to groom these kids, and we'll be grooming.

Get out the way! We got grooming to do. We're gonna get put on a list when, like, you know, it's Trump's second term or whatever. Jesus Christ. They're gonna ship us off, aren't they?

So how are you feeling about the election? Okay. So this has been Last Culture East. This has been really a great app. I think so. What's it called again? Dushan after Dushum? Dushan after Dushum.

I can't wait. I think it's really goinguchenne after Dushum. I can't wait. I think it's really going to make the girlies laugh. I can't wait. We always try to make you laugh, girls. Everyone listening out there. And if we made you laugh today, give us a five-star review. And send a nice comment.

Why don't you? Why don't you? Hey, we end every episode with a song. Bloodsucker. Bambucker. Bleeding me to try like a goddamn vampire. every episode with a song. Bloodsucker. Bambucker. Bleeding me to try like a goddamn vampire.

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