Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Dusty Pink" (w/ Harvey Guillén)

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

What WE do in the shadows? We TALK to amazing people like Harvey Guillén, who joins Matt & Bowen on this terrific episode of Las Cultch to get into it on poppers culture, celebs being "on the A-list", the Met Gala and how Harvey celebrated but also lightly stuck it to Mr. Lagerfeld, Drag Race guest judging, Sasha Colby, shooting and auditioning for What We Do In The Shadows, Toronto cultures, rude men in fedoras, and navigating homophobia. Also, how Titanic and Kate Winslet gave way to Harvey's culture that made him say culture was for him: Peter Jackson, and the film Heavenly Creatures starring Kate and finalist Melanie Lynskey. All this, the origin of the middle finger, auditioning with Jerri Blank monologues, doing Wicked in Osaka, Japan, Hilary Duff's music, when you can really call yourself a New Yorker and the idea of wanting to smell like Johnny Depp.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Las culture. East. Ding dong. Las culture. East is there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Wait, we both were really in our own masks saying that. You know what's happening lately? What? And I, it's not that I mind it. I'm just putting it out. Okay. You have been starting very high in a high register. You go, ding dong.

And I always just want to meet you where you're at. Let me tell you something. And so I have just, you raised me up in the words of Josh Groban. The iconic Josh Groban. Yes. Who always uses the mask, okay? Oh, so well.

Can I tell you something about growing up a queer child? I don't know a thing about it. Tell me. Listen, everyone. Everyone that's listening to the podcast, sort of gather in. I'm going to tell you something about being a queer child. When you're a queer child, specifically from like a part of the country where like, guys talk like this,

you know what I'm talking about? So it's this idea that when you are a person who is like speaking in a lower voice all their life. Is that Node Zone? It's Node Zone.

You're going straight to Node's town. And then it's actually a sequel to Hadestown. Node's town. And Rachel Shatkin is attached. The most amazing director

is going to be attached and we're so excited to start and Eva Noblezada is coming back to do it Eva yes and so

when you get older and you sort of get good with being gay you start to speak in your mask more and I'm seeing all the little gays who don't know they're gay

start talking like this I'm like honey free yourself use the mask use the mask well I thank you for inspiring me the community I feel like I honey, free yourself. Use the mask. Use the mask. Well, I thank you for inspiring me, the community. I feel like I have

been, I've just been finding myself meaning me up here. And it's so funny if you listen, and I know we bring this up every quarter or so. Go back and listen to the old episodes. We are young. The voices sound sprightly, young, full of hope.

Isn't that interesting? You in particular. I know. Your voice was an octave higher. It's so strange. In the beginning. Uh-huh. What do you think that is?

Age? The years? The years. It's inhaling things. Oh, big time. I think it's that. Yeah. Inhalants are very dangerous. Yeah. It's actually rule of culture number nine., inhalants are very dangerous.

Yeah. Especially real culture number nine. Inhalants are very dangerous. What's your favorite drug to do? You know, if the brain could handle it, anything that like gives me a little rush of... Poppers? You love poppers? No, I don't love poppers.

Really? Especially after hearing your journey with it, I? No, I don't love poppers. Really? Especially after hearing your journey with it, I'm like, I got to avoid it. What's my journey with it? I don't want to... You've talked about it. Mm-hmm. Your journey with it is that it's present

and that we... I also reach for it. I used to reach for it too often. During... Masturbatory times. During masturbatory times. And it kind of... It sets too much of a pattern that like you kind of need it as a crutch if you are, if you happen to be with other people. Yeah.

This is actually a thing I struggle with. Yes, yes. And it's actually a thing I struggle with. I would love to hear our guests' thoughts about this too. On poppers culture. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the thing about poppers culture is you do, they are so useful.

Yes. When you need them. And then, but then they're, they're so useful yes when you need them and then but then they're they're so good when you do need them yeah i i often feel you need them during sex okay let's have an lgbtq podcast moment when you are having receptive anal sex you simply need the help sure and sometimes it helps but isn't it great when you don't when it's just like they didn't even spit for that one oh my god Bowen I think there is

something to that it's happened like once or twice in my life where it's just like there's nothing let's just do it and then it works it has happened to me too now that I think about it and it's true it's like when you really want it, you don't need anything.

Oh! Our guest is Icon. I am so happy that our guest is here. This is someone who I hesitate to call him a peer in our cohort

or anything like that, but we stood in line for the press line at the Critics' Choice Award. Yes, we did. Had a grand time. And it was kind of just like, oh, this is someone who is so fucking good. Very good. And I'm like,

oh my god, I don't know what to do with myself. This is so cool. You were starstruck? I was very starstruck. I was very starstruck. I still am to this day. This one went to the Met Gala and Christian Siriano. You're absolutely right. And it looks stunning. Fantastic.

Oh, my God. We have to talk about this. Oh, yeah. We need to know about what that experience was like. I need to know about what it's like to be on the ground at the Met Gala. So we're going to talk about that for 45 minutes. Yes. And then 45 minutes of poppers.

Yes. And that's it. And that's it. You know them, you love them from what we do in the shadows. Renewed for not just season 5, which is coming this summer, but also season 6. So we just want to blast that out for people because there seems to be confusion about when it's coming back,

how many more seasons. We're getting two more. We're getting two more. At least. At least. And this is one of television's funniest programs. Thank God for it. It's not a comedy that's like concerned with being particularly cool or sexy or vibey. No, it's saying I'm funny. It's saying we're all funny people.

We're all adults here. Yeah. We're funny. Hey, we're all adults here and we're all funny. So drop the bullshit and the drama. Drop the drama. Drop the drama. Why don't people say that? More comedies should be saying drop the drama and the drama. Drop the drama. Drop the drama. Why don't people say that?

More comedies should be saying drop the drama. Thank you. You know where I want the drama dropped? Where? Comedy. Comedies. You were going to name names. Because then I think there's another fun way you could go like,

oh my God, did you see they dropped the drama on Vanderpump Rules? And that's good. Isn't it awful that it like does not work both ways where like if you have a drama like succession and you go

well that's the funniest show too like how does it happen to like it's easier to infuse comedy and drama than it is to put drama in comedy

well I think that when writers are given the opportunity to really do what they do and be creative and when they're getting a fair deal we might see even more of that.

But I'm waiting and I'm looking at my watch. The alliance. More like the flop. Say that. I'm a writer. I'm in the guild. Puss in Boots The Last Wish. Puss in Boots The Last Wish. Academy Award nominated.

Can we announce that there's something we can't announce? Yes. I think so. We can announce that there's something we can't announce? Yes. I think so. We can announce that there is something we cannot announce. A major announcement there is something we cannot announce. That our guest is involved in. That will be announced. That will be announced. We don't know when. We're not a part of it. But when it is announced,

trust. Trust. You will be dealt with. You will be dealt with. Well, ladies and gentlemen, and non-binary friends, everyone out there, however you identify, Katie's, readers, finalists, publicists, everyone out there, I want you all to stand up. Stand. In the car, if you're listening to this in the car, stand up. Don't, actually. That's dangerous.

Well, thought I'd try. Please welcome to your ears, Harvey Deen! Welcome to the Thunderdome. Thank you for, that was probably the best introduction I've ever heard. Really? It really was. I don't know. It went through like everything. Poppers and talking about shadows.

It was great. Thoughts on poppers? I, actually my boyfriend hates poppers okay they're not involved they're not involved and I really don't like yeah

I feel like sometimes it could become like a crutch like it's like I don't particularly like run to poppers but it does help you know

in that moment and then so for me I feel transparency it was like oh you know it might help

but since I'm with somebody that's like, I can't stand the smell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't stand it. He has this really funny story. That you're going to tell. That I'm going to tell. I'm sure he's fine. In the past, like being with someone and then the smell itself was so powerful that they were like, I have to go.

And they left. Oh, oh, oh. And they left like in the middle. Wow. Of the hookup. Yeah. So they were just like. And then I was like, wow, and it's like imagine being that guy and just being like, oh, what happened?

And it's like, yeah, I have to go. That is kind of beautiful. I love that he was honest about that and I'm sure he wouldn't mind. No, not at all. He said it in front of all of my friends. He said it in front of a crowd of thousands. But you know that thing of you take a whiff and you can feel the little cubic centimeter

of your brain dying. You can feel exactly where the gray matter is gone. You're never going to get those cells back. You're never going to get those brain cells back. I always think it's funny that the numbers for sales probably go through the roof and no one's asking like, we don't have VHS tapes anymore.

Someone said to me, I pitched the idea of using them with someone I hooked up with like six to seven months ago and the guy was a little bit older and he said, what is it, the 70s? Yeah, it is. I was like, it could be.

Drugs are back. Was there VHS in the 70s? Was it in the 80s? I think that his reference was off. And also, he overshot. Yeah, he overshot. He's like, what is it, the 70s? And I was just like, oh, okay.

The test wasn't around in the 70s, sir, but nice try. It's two extremes, right? People are either for them, or people are like, what is it, the 70s? And it's like, that's really extreme. Both sides are like, they have their reasons. I'm excited to tell you guys who that was. Who? Tell. Oh! Interesting.

Should we leave that in? I didn't say the name. No, no, no. But you can hear. The camera got it. The camera got it. Just put over that. Oh, my God.

The camera. Are we on camera right now? No, no, no. They're not using the footage. Okay. Producer Becca confirms we're not being filmed. Thank God. But in surveillance America?

I don't think so. In a police state? I don't think so. I'm asking the question. Because I just said a B-lister and I hooked up. Oh, well then that narrows it down. Oh, you're getting very specific now. We can't protect you now. Yeah, narrow it down to all the gay B-listers.

Who did Matt hook up with? Is that the most? Yeah. Now you're very specific. Well, now I'm thinking, is that person B-list? I think B-list is right. I don't care for the letter grades. I don't like that. You don't like that?

What do you identify as? He, him. I identify as he, him, C-list. I'm he, him list. Like the list thing, it's so funny because It is funny. I just think Kathy Griffin

and like, you know, the idea of B-list. But it's also like people go up that list and down that list and that would be really kind of weird to hear someone say, and give it up for Harvey Guillen, B, yeah. My life on the D-list. But it's also like people go up that list and down that list. And that would be really kind of weird to hear someone say, and give it up for Harvey G and B-list celebrity. That would be weird.

Yeah, because even though they've qualified you as being on the list at all, it still is like, well, what would I have to do to move up on the list? And also, I would argue that Kathy Griffin was at least B-list. I think she was overcorrecting it in a self-aware way. She was like, it'll get a laugh if I say I'm D-list. And it was a time where that was so least B-list. I think she was over-correcting it in a self-aware way. She was like, it'll get a laugh if I say I'm D-list. And it was a time

where that was so important to be that letterless. Remember there was a whole show like The A-List New York where it was like they're all A-list. It's just like

the idea of that. Do you want to know some tea? Yeah. The Real Friends of WeHo was named that later on. It was originally just a reboot of The A-List. It was.

It was going to be called The A-List. That's what I thought. I was like, it has a feeling like this is the West Coast version of what we saw years ago. Yes. And then they changed it

to be like referencing the Housewives of it all. Sure. To tell you a story, I saw an episode of The A-List years ago and that's how I found out that one of my exes

was a go-go dancer. Because they were featured on it? They were featured on it. That's so beautiful. But like after we had broken up and stayed friends, but they kept that part, I guess, not conversational. And I was like, I think I saw you on an episode. I was like, oh, yeah, in Fire Island.

I was like, yeah. He was like, yeah, that's right, in the summer. And I was like, oh, cool. That is like, that is like hallowed air though for him to be Fire Island go-go dancer. Yeah. That's lucrative. That's six figures. That's what he said

that they would go for the summer you don't have to work the rest of the year oh my god Tomas would go to Pine's party and they would just like

dance and they'd be like look I like I made like I made rent also like I was always inspired by I feel like

I go back every year and you see sort of the same people working you do get the sense that it's like a great place to work if you can withstand that Heinz culture that long. You wouldn't come back if it wasn't.

It's one or two nights. One night at the big party and then a couple nights at like Pavilion or whatever and then you're like, okay, I'm done. I made my check. But let's be damned. All that matters for you is that you went to the Met Gala. That's pretty A-list behavior.

Yeah. I was, it was surreal. Like, I was literally talking to Donatella. No! Just, you know, you know, my brother was friends with Carl. And then. She said that? And I was like, uh-huh.

The idea of this and, like, Penelope Cruz. And I'm a big sucker for accents. So, like, I don't want an accent. I was just like, Penelope Cruz and I'm a big sucker for accents. So like, I don't want an accent. I was just like, Penelope Cruz, it's probably because we've been knowing

this legacy. It's just like beautiful. Wow, that's good. That's good. My favorite Penelope moment is, has anyone ever fainted up here? Because I might be the first. When she won her Oscar.

I heard she's a chatterbox. Yeah, she was like, lovely. Yeah. And she was wearing this beautiful vintage, I heard she's a chatterbox. Yeah, she was like, lovely. Yeah. And she was wearing this beautiful vintage, I think it was Gucci or Chanel. She's so gorgeous.

It was gorgeous. And everyone looked amazing. And I was just like, it was kind of like weird because the carpet itself is not, it's just the steps of the mat. Yeah.

When you watch it on TV, it looks like it goes on. Yeah. And then you're there, you're like, oh, there it is. And then it's like, oh, people take their time.

So some people go up and some celebrities would go up and then they'd be like, go down again. Oh, dang. Because you go into the media on one side and then you go up and you're like, and then some people would just go up and not say anything. And they would just go in and then leave, I guess. Right. But it was not that big. It's not that big of a step. And then what's the experience of the dinner?

I mean, I was there with E like as the celebrity guest. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, so like I had to walk the carpet and then I had to actually do like Do the girlfriend. Chloe, yes.

Chloe did it. Did Vogue and I was doing E. And so we did like go in and so I didn't, I had to stay until like the end which was, my hat goes off to like everyone

and we generalize. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I had to stay there and they were waiting for Rihanna. And Rihanna was showing up and I was just like, I don't know. It's like last year she was two hours,

I guess. Wow. The make out only goes up to like 9.30, I guess. And it's like, it's only from like 6 to 9.30. And then the thing is like all the after parties

that go on afterwards. Yeah. So I wanted to go to the after party. So I was like, let's wrap it up. And so Janelle Monae was doing the after party at the Standard.

And then that's where it was like, Lizzo was there and like, everyone was there. Oh yeah, that boo-boo room one looked really fun. Yeah, yeah,

that one was fun. But you're exhausted like by the end of the day because you start your day like at 10 a.m. and you got hair and makeup and that thing is like... Probably a lot of adrenaline too,

you know what I mean? Yeah. Like you're like, oh God, it's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. Like the photo shoot, we had a photo shoot

for Christian Siriano designed it and it was gorgeous and I was just really proud to like wear that giant gown and stuff but it was gorgeous and I was just really proud to like wear that giant gown and stuff but it was heavy

that shade of pink was so good I loved it like dusty how do you describe it it's like powdery pink I don't even know it's like powder pink

yeah and it was like that tweet kind of a wink to like you know the 80s of Chanel and the house of Carl had been and so like it was both masculine and feminine

like it was just like everything was gorgeous I love that you went with color and you I mean black and white of course it's it was just like everything was gorgeous. I love that you went with color. And I mean, black and white, of course, it's Chanel, it's Karl. But it's like, I love that you went with a color choice. Yeah. And I went with pink.

Just a little femininity. I love that you were like, how would you describe that dusty? Like, and what if he was like, yeah, I wore this dusty gown. No, no, no. But you know what I'm saying? No, yes, of course we know what you're saying. But just like thinking about the poll quote of like, so what are you wearing tonight? Well, I chose this dusty gown.

Well, you know, it was because the night was, you know, honoring Carl and like he hated pink. Yes, yes, yes. So I wore pink because it was,

you know, we honor like the work. Keep the space queer. Yeah. And like, you know, we honor the work that he did, obviously. Sometimes it's different

to like, you know, separate the beliefs that the artist had. Of course. So like he was also, you know, he didn beliefs that the artist had. Of course. So like, he was also, you know, he didn't care for people with curves

and he hated the color pink and there was a lot of things that I wanted to encompass all that and show you that you could make the best dress list in pink plus size. There you go. Perfect.

I love that. You stuck it to him a little bit. I was speaking truth to power. I wanted to show you that it's doable because for so long it was said that it wasn't it's like when a queen

on Drag Race shows up in green and Michelle's like ahhh she's really too much about the green it's like enough she hates the green

we love you Michelle we adore Michelle and I guess we haven't even talked on this podcast and can be transparent about it now because I think the episode will have come out

that we did the show so fun we were guest judges on this season of All Stars, and you were last season. Last season, yeah. Which episode were you doing? The Daytona Wins comeback.

Yes. The acting challenge. Fun. Which, I mean, like, from day one, I was like, Sasha's going to, you know. Yeah. Like, I knew. And she's an L.A. girl, you know,

so I was like, and I saw her at the after party for the McGala. Yes, I saw the picture. Oh, my God, so fun. So it was there, and like, I think it was already, like, tipsy, and I was like, oh, my God. Because that and like I think it was already like tipsy and I was like oh my god I'm so excited

because that's how I sound when I'm just like yeah I think I had like one glass of like a French 75 or something that'll do it and then you weren't

a rat no no you don't eat you're running around all day and then the first thing you do is have a glass of champagne and you're like oh maybe not the best

it went right to the head yeah poppers yeah right exactly it was a popper sensation a Met Gala version of poppers it's actually real culture number 99

a French 75 is the Met Gala version of poppers so they shot All Stars season 8 which is the one that we did

after this season that uses season 15 and there was even like whispers I don't know if it was confirmed that Sasha Colby was on but like

I think it was like maybe someone that knew I think it wasn't a well kept secret that Sasha Colby was on, but like, I think it was like maybe someone that knew, I think it wasn't a well-kept secret that Sasha Colby was going to be on. And then like, there were sort of like little winks and nudges that she had done really well. Not necessarily on set.

I don't remember where I heard this, but I had heard somehow that Sasha Colby was there and like destroying. Yeah. It's inevitable. Like from the get go, like you're like, you can't, I mean,

we have that much talent, you know, just oozing out. If you're like, this is,. I mean, we have that much talent. Just oozing out of you. This is... There's no competition. She was the only winner. It's only a handful of queens you can look back at the whole trajectory of drag race and say, yep, we knew from the get-go.

I think of Bianca Del Rio. Bob's a drag queen. I saw her queen. From the get-go, you're like, yes, that my focus is always on you. Simone. Simone. There's always a handful of queens that happens to you. Totally. Sasha's thing is she is past, present, future of drag.

Absolutely. It's so funny that the year of Mother and then Sasha Colby wins Drag Race. And also, not for nothing, and she's talked about this, but in this moment where there's such obvious and widespread attacks on trans people

I think she said in an interview it was definitely my time I somehow knew in my spirit this would be my time to do this and now is my reign and everyone can look to me as an example of a confident, happy trans woman who's excellent and the best at what she does

so it really feels good correct me if I'm wrong but they moved from Hawaii to LA to do drag race and at the time it wasn't something that was accepted like it was like right it was still one Rue was was on and so it was a different requirement to be on drag race and they couldn't get on drag race yeah that's and that could be wrong but that's the story that I heard. Interesting. Which would be even more powerful. Yeah, totally. They kept at it and they kept fighting and now they are the queen.

They are the queen and we are looking at them and tons of trans kids across the world are looking at them. It's just like inspiration. And the third trans winner in a row. It's true. What I appreciate about Drag Race so much is that it has adapted very well, I think. I mean, there have been these starts and stops, but what I love about Drag Race so much is that it has adapted very well, I think.

I mean, there have been these starts and stops, but what I love about the show is that season 15 feels nothing like season 10, which felt nothing like season 5. It's still fresh. It moves along with the culture, I think. It does. Credit where it's due, for sure. I mean, there was a lot of growth.

And also, the set is a very fun, happy place. It was so fun. Everyone is great. Everyone who works there is wonderful. It was a great experience. of growth and also the set is a very fun happy place it was so fun everyone is great everyone who works there is wonderful yeah it was a great experience

I had a great experience I love anywhere where I can ride around in a golf cart so fun that's one of the things when I was little and like thinking

what it would be like to be an actor you always see like the backstage stuff in a golf cart like oh my gosh getting to go like you know

Warner Brothers or Paramount of a lot yeah of a lot I have lunch on the lot it's just like that is one of my favorite things when you get to go on a golf know, Warner Brothers or Paramount. Of a lot. Yeah, of a lot. I have lunch on the lot. It's just like, that is one of my favorite things when you get to go on a go-to.

Yeah. What's like production for Shadows like? How much is it on location? Are you like, what's your time to like prep and? Well, the first season, they wouldn't give us the scripts ahead of time. Really?

They were really secretive, even to the actors, because I think for the movie, they kept it such a secret from the actors that they would get to set and they give them like three lines and they're like, here you go.

And they didn't know the story. So the actors didn't know where the story was going that they would get to set and they'd give them like three lines and they're like here you go and they didn't know the story so the actors didn't know where the story was going you just get to set you know you're working 90 days and that every day you show up and they give you

so is that like a Taika thing I think it's Taika and Jermaine and I think and I could be wrong but that was what I was told that that was their you know what they did

but on set the first season since I'm the only human I wanted to sprinkle like the trajectory of like an emotional arc totally you have that and it was hard because the vampires can wrap it up in one episode like they learn said the first season since I'm the only human I wanted to sprinkle the trajectory of an emotional arc and it was hard because the vampires

can wrap it up in one episode like they learn how to use the internet or they think there's a curse so they wrap it up in a nice bow but for Guillermo I had to sprinkle it in especially with a cross shoot so that means in one day I would shoot a little bit of episode 102 in the morning a little bit of 105 by the end and a little bit of the finale

in one day but I didn't know the story in the middle so then I'd be 105 by the French and a little bit of the finale. That's tough. In one day. But I didn't know the story in the middle. So then I'd be like, wait, so we'll be shooting like an episode later in the season and he's like, oh, Taika would be directing. He's like, hey, okay, have a get in the car and you're terrified. And I was like, okay, but why am I terrified? Oh, yeah, I can't tell you. Wow. I was like, you can't tell me?

That was the joke. I was like, you couldn't tell me what just happened, but I'm covered in blood. And they're like, yeah, just go with it. You're terrified. Maybe the fact that you didn't know helps with the Guillermo-ness of it. It did. You know what I mean? The put-upon-ness of it.

I think it did because looking back when I look at the first season, I look terrified all the time. And I didn't know what the fuck was going on. But I would say Guillermo, out of all the characters, out of all the principles, has the big trajectory, I think. I think it became like after the first season I didn't know he was a Van Helsing until the table read

the day before we started filming and so I got the script and I was like oh what's happening they're like yeah we're doing it and I was like

oh man but it's actually good that I didn't know because then my vision would have been fogged and I would have been like I better sprinkle this in because he's a Van Helsing

so it was actually perfect but then after that we did get the scripts and we get a little bit of, like, you know, time with them. Because now we have to cross shoot so quickly.

Yeah. And so it's like, we don't have time to be like, oh, we got to prepare for that, like, mental thing. Totally, totally. It's a comedy thing. They were doing a comedy,

but Guillermo's the only one who has, like, to carry, like, the grounded heart of it. Sure, sure. It was just kind of tough because it's like, these guys are so funny.

And, like, him being so, like, submissive and quiet and, like, not having to ever go to their levels. Like, you stupid. Like they're yelling all the time. They're flying. They're fucking. And Guillermo has to be like completely contained and keeping after his goals and wishes.

I mean, your performance is so controlled and it's so good. It's so excellent. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. Well, I'm sure. Because like is there like what's the challenging part of the process there i think the challenging part is that it has to be grounded all the time yeah and

so i want to be like the vampires are i mean because if i was at that level of the comedy then it would be like a farce this would be like a farce over the top and everything because they're vampires yeah so they're living their lives at their level. I'm a human. So being the only human in the show has to be real. The comedy has to be from watching me be like, we relate to Guillermo because we're all Guillermos. Yeah, it's happening in the world that we live in. They're the unusual thing. They're the usual thing.

Yeah, so if I ever teeter one side and it becomes two, it's like, I don't believe it. This is stupid. And so it's hard to like, Stephanie Robinson in one of our EPs was like, yeah, you're just walking like a tightrope. You have to balance it because if you teetered one or the other, it doesn't

make the show believable. That is a hard thing. It's very hard because I have been in things where I get very self-conscious about being the grounded person and being like, oh, I'm not really driving the last here. Am I doing something wrong? Or it's just harder to gauge what it's going to look like or how I did until it comes out.

Yeah, because as a comedian, it's like I have to deliver the joke. But sometimes the best comedy just comes from just everyday interaction with humans and just being grounded. It's the funny part. But it's hard to know. We talk about this sometimes, especially with actors that seem

to really know how to do this intrinsically. But when you come from live comedy and when you come from a comedy background and then understanding how to act like a human, quote unquote, on camera. Because I don't know about you guys, but I think we're all expressive people. And the way that I would express myself in real life, if I ever do that on camera, I know it looks insane. It's too much insane. Yeah. And I used to have directors when I first started, because I started acting in musical theater,

and so when I first started I was like, sing out to the back row, blah blah blah, it's bigger than life. And so I remember being on set and always being given the note by directors, like, bring it down. Yeah, bring it down. Bring it down, because I was like, what do you mean bring it down?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's singing dance, and it's like, bring it down. So like where I find myself doing some of my best work is doing a character that if you asked me like 10 years ago, you're going to be doing this grounded character that's still funny, but it has heart and is grounded. Would have been like, that sounds ridiculous. You know, like, but looking back. That's what I may well have. Yeah.

And just like the fact that I'm doing that, that's what's so hard because I'm so not used to that. Yeah. So I'm used to like being the big one and to being the big one and being the loud one. And doing Guillermo has been completely the opposite of what I've trained my whole life. But now you know you can do both or operate from whatever end of the spectrum. But the wonderful thing about Guillermo is that there are no sacrifice to laughs necessarily. I think Guillermo has one of my favorite jokes in the whole show, which is, I don't kiss and tell, but what I can tell you is, I don't kiss.

What a great joke. That was improvised. Really? Harvey! So the final part that you see is like, we already have the most amazing writers. Of course. And we always do the scripted version.

We do a little bit of notes from upstairs. And then after that, it's what we call a funsies. And the funsies is... Do you want for funsies? Just for funsies. And it was when Taika was there, it's the first season. And he's like, let's do one for fun. Let's do one for fun. Let's do fun. And I was like, funsies and the funsies is do you want for funsies just for funsies and it was when Taika was there the first season and he's like

let's do one for fun let's do one for fun let's do fun and I was like funsies because we called it another set and he goes

what and I was like funsies and he's like okay funsies and from there on we call it funsies but we always do a funsies

and at the end of the day when we see the final product half is funsies and half is crypto oh funsies were you a Taika fan before? I was. I was Taika.

And I'm glad that, like, weirdly enough, I hadn't seen the movie when I got the audition. I actually went, it was weird. I went to Wine and Cheese Night at my friend's house, Mimi.

She lives out here in New York now, but she was in LA with her newborn showing off her baby to her family and friends. And I went to Wine and Cheese Night at the last minute and I met a girl there

who texted me the next day. She said, hey, you're so fucking funny. You should audition for my fiance's new show. And I was like, I don't do those kind of films anymore. And it was Rita or, no, who was that? No. No, they were engaged to Gary Bash, who was our producer.

Sorry. Stupid joke. It's Rita. See you later. Yeah. And then, so I was like, sure, I'll buy it. Well, who's the cast writer? Alison Jones.

Who have you known? Yeah. And I was like, oh. And I've never gone because it's my invitation only. And I was like sure I'll buy it well who's the cast member Alison Jones who have you known and I was like and I've never gone because it's my invitation only and I was like I've never gone to her office and I was like this would be a great way she's so cool

but it is a breakthrough moment it's a breakthrough when you feel that Alison Jones sees you but here's the thing it was because of a friend that I met her friend

who's fiance it was like total like you know nepo baby I was just I was like they know each other whatever and so I was like, totally like, you know, nepo baby. I was just like, they know each other,

whatever. And so I was like, I'll take it, you know, because the character was 25 years older than I am. And so I was like, shit.

That's right. They did not write him as like a, no. And then I was like, he's been a familiar for like several decades because he's like,

time's running out and that's the desperation of Guillermo. But you could also be desperate at 10 years of, you know, service. And so I was like,

damn it. And I was like, fuck. And I was like, what do I was like fuck and I was like what do I do okay I'll just have to like I never do this like dress up for the character oh you did I was like

I have to make myself look older I remember I didn't have any stubble so I literally put like a little bit of stubble wow and then I put these Harry Potter glasses I popped out the lenses

I never dress up for a character but I was like I have to just make an impression on Allison and I didn't know any Guillermos except for like I was in my writing partner's house and she on Allison and I didn't know any Guillermos except for like I was in my writing partner's house and she had a Guillermo del Toro

like horror book on the shelf and it had like illustration of Guillermo on the back with his glasses and his hair was parted in the middle

with curls wow and I was like I'll do my hair like that I'm like insane at this point I was like I'm just gonna like stand out right

I wore this long sleeve this brown nasty sweater vest and I was like no one on TV would ever look like this you created Guillermo in that moment I created Guillermo

and then I went to the audition and then it was one of those moments you know as an actor like when you go to an audition sometimes you walk out and you're like I hope I did okay

but I don't know I don't know and so I went to the audition and I was here to see Allison I was so excited and I was like I'm here to see Allison and I'll dress up

and she's not here and I was like no no I met a girl at a party and she told me no we know we've been, no. I met a girl at a party. And she told me, no, we know. We've been waiting for you. I met a girl at a party? Yeah.

She's not here. She's in London auditioning for the year. Yeah, this is where the assistant's and this is what it is. Yeah. And he's like, here you go. Microphone on my collar. And I was like, oh, is she going to see it? She'll see it in London.

She has time. You know, just like, did not care. And I was like, okay, well, fuck it. I'm just going to do it. And I remember doing it. And at the end, looking up at Ben, the casting associate, he's like, did not care. And I was like, okay, well, fuck it. I'm just going to do it. And I remember doing it. And at the end, looking up at Ben, the casting associate, he's like, Harvey. And I go, yeah. I thought he was going to, you're going to Hollywood or something.

But he goes, the microphone. We're done. And he takes off the microphone. And I was like, thank you. And then I walked out. And I was like, I don't know what I did. My agent calls like, what did you do? And I was like, I don't know.

An hour later, they called. I showed it to Allison, Taika Jemain. Everyone had agreed to test me. FX. They'd all seen the video. And they were like, you're the wild card, though, because you're too young for the role. And I made a career of being the wild card. Like, every role that I can look back at, I was never.

I know. Aren't we all used to that? Aren't we all used to being like, you're not the first pick? You're not the first pick. And I made a career out of it. Like, I was like, every major role I've gotten was not for me. It was not written for me on paper. It wasn't supposed to be.

And I went in there as a wild card. I was like how about this? And they're like yeah I guess. And then they like it or whatever. So I was a wild card. And I was like I'm going to go

and I'm just going to at least get to meet Allison. Right? So weeks go by and I'm not testing. It's Martin Luther King weekend on a Sunday and they start production

on Tuesday. Oh shit. And I haven't heard anything. And I was like I didn't get it. Whatever. And so this number kept calling me. Eventually I pick it up and it's like hey is this Javi? And I was like, I didn't get it, whatever. And so this number kept calling me.

Eventually, I pick it up. And it's like, hey, is this Javi? And I was like, yeah. Hey, it's Talkin' Jermaine. I was like, hey. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm testing for you.

And he's like, no, you're not testing, mate. And I was like, thank you for the opportunity. I wish you all the best. Like, thinking they were going to be like, oh, just to let you down.

Like, hey, thanks so much we went out of the way, whatever. I was like, no. And he was like, we'll see you on set. And that's how I booked it. And I was like, with my sister,

and it was this moment. Was there supposed to be a test and they just decided, never mind? It was the first time they had all unanimously voted to test someone. Everyone else was split

like 40-60, blah, blah, blah, with other actors. So they were like, why are we even doing this? Yeah, why are we testing him? It's the first time

we all agreed that we like somebody. Love that. That's great. That's how I got it. Damn. We love it. That's like a cinematic

sort of Cinderella story. It's a Cinderella story. I was Hilary Duff. You were how I got it. Damn. We love it. That's like a cinematic sort of. Cinderella story. Cinderella story. It's a Cinderella story. Yeah. I was Hilary Duff. You were Hilary Duff. Yeah. Is she your favorite Cinderella?

I mean. She's who came to hear my first. It was, but also Brandy. Oh. Brandy. Now that's the answer. That's the answer. And then, yeah.

So it was just one of those moments where. And then when you shoot something that's really good, sometimes you feel like this isn't going to go. Of course. And so I made the pilot and I was like, fuck, this is really good. I really hope. But if it doesn't, it's okay. I'll have the footage.

Yeah, totally. For the reel. For my reel. Yeah, for my reel. And then we got picked up and now we're going to season six this fall. That's so cool. It's almost better, though, to have that experience you have with auditioning where they give you nothing.

Because then you can just go about your life. Like, I've left auditions and had them be like, that great the feedback's good you're even told you're being heavily considered you don't get it and then you're like oh god but it also it's like i think everyone in the world likes positive feedback and to feel like you did a good job but then there's those disappointing moments which is just the entire business yeah and i've had the opposite of that too where like i went in there i know they liked it and i didn't get the role yeah like i go in there and like i remember i auditioned for like sean levy and he was on the floor laughing about this character but the character was not right for me like i knew it on paper i knew that i knew

exactly who they're looking at for other actors and stuff it wouldn't work with me and i knew that it wouldn't work with me but i can give you my best version of this yeah and i give my best version and then i was like it's like i'm not gonna get it but he was on the floor laughing walked out and then two weeks later they called and I was like I'm not going to get it but he was on the floor laughing walked out and then two weeks later they called and they're like hey he wrote a part for you there you go

you know and it's just like so my goal is to obviously you want to get the gig and you want to get the job but to win the room

impress in general you want to win the room and so if you win the room you'll always work and like sometimes the casting directors are like I would have those moments

and it's just like Harvey you're going to do it you got it and I was like oh my god is it really I know it's not official but like I mean I those moments and I'm just like, Harvey, you're going to do it. You got it. And I was like, oh my God, is it really? He's like, I know it's not official,

but like, I mean, I hate that. And they say stuff like that and then I go home with this like chip on my shoulder. I was like, oh my God,

I think I got it. And then no call, nothing. And then eventually it was like, well, no, she said, no,

no, can you check again? And then the agents have to go check and then they're like, Harvey, she said no. And I was like,

no. And then they're like, Harvey, it never happened. You never auditioned for that. That person doesn't exist. Are you well? That was you walking around a Del Taco.

I went and I thought I slayed it. And then I found out it never happened. That would be a thriller. That would be an amazing thriller that the three of us are going to star in. We all go out for the same part and get amazing feedback. And then we find out that none of us ever auditioned and it's a psychological

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founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Did you guys shoot Shadows in LA? Toronto. Toronto, that's right. So we shot the pilot in LA, and I was so happy because I'm from LA, born and raised, so I was like, oh, this would be great, because every gig I've been getting

before that would be taking me out like to Atlanta New York which I love but it's also I miss my family and friends

so I was like this would be perfect perfect so we get picked up and I'm like oh my gosh it got picked up it's like yes

here's the caveat it's in Toronto and I was like how much out of the year are you shooting when you're shooting so our first season we moved really quick

we shot 10 episodes in 9 weeks wow that's insane that's completely insane and we quick. We shot 10 episodes in nine weeks. Wow. That's insane. That's completely insane. And we felt it. We shot 10 episodes in nine weeks because of everyone's schedule. And you were cross-shooting.

So you're like, what is going on? So by the end, we wrapped Christmas Eve. And you worked at Thanksgiving because in Canada, it's an American holiday. So they're like, we're working. And so you FaceTime your family. It was like my first Thanksgiving not at home. It's like, hey, everyone. And you don't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, it feels so home. It was like, hey everyone. And you don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just like, it feels so weird. Whatever. We're doing work. We're being creative. But we were tired. The first season,

we were exhausted. And after that, I think they caught on. They're like, maybe give you an extra couple of weeks. So they gave us an extra couple of weeks and then the pandemic happened so they gave us an extra,

like a month extra. And so now we shoot the whole show in like three and a half months. Nice. Three and a half months. Yeah. So three and a half months in Toronto. Three and a half months. Yeah. So three and a half months in Toronto. And do you like Toronto?

I love Toronto. I've become a really big Torontonian, you know? Yes, yes. And on a tour. It's cute. It's cute. I like it. Yeah.

And I built like, yeah, yeah. And oh, the summer is beautiful there. Gorgeous there. It really is. Did you go to the island? No, I didn't get to make it out to the, I was only there for 10 days. But I definitely like went to like some of the spots like I went to some restaurants

to the village yeah I went to the village so you make your own little community there you know so it's kind of fun because when I go back to Toronto shout out to all my Toronto friends

like it's like you make your own community you go to dinner with your friends blah blah and I'd be there you know five it's half a decade you know

like now oh yeah half a decade wow yeah so it's like half of my you know decade was there, so like I made friends from season one to season now. I know their birthdays.

We go have dinner. It's nice to have a family. Such a rarity too nowadays to have a show go for that long. You know? I was just gonna say I was like six is like unheard of. Big number. But yeah, I love Toronto. I love it in the summer. During the pandemic,

it was tough because it had no ins and outs because Canada was really like, we are protecting our own, which makes sense. And so when we got there, we didn't kind of know that. So when I got there

and shot season three, they're like, okay, so if you leave, you can't come back in. It's like, until your next season. And I was like,

oh, what? And then I booked Reacher on Amazon season one and they shot in Toronto. So I went straight from Shadows to season one of Reacher. To season four of Shadows? Season four of Shadows.

How long was that total? Ten months. Oh, wow. So it was a whole year in Toronto. I'm going to generalize and say that Toronto has some of the hottest queer people in the world. I second that. Yeah. Absolutely.

And great food. Great food. Food was fantastic. It's like hot, gorgeous queer people who are like not super pretentious about like. No. And they don't know how gorgeous they are. Well everyone always compares Toronto to a smaller, cleaner version of New York. Yes, yes, yes.

Where it's like a tiny version of it, you know? I feel like they're just so nice in Toronto, they're just really polite. We did meet the rudest person in the world, Matt and I, in Toronto. In Toronto? Wait, when? What are you talking about? When we went for the sketch festival there, me, you, Rachel Winitsky, I think Amanda Schechtman, all went to some brunch place near the hotel. Yes. It was the Drake.

It was not the Drake. It was some nondescript brunch place by where we were staying. It was a line outside. And then I was like, I took it upon myself. I turned around to the group and I go, I'm going to go in and just ask the host how long the wait is. Because there's a line. So then I walk up to the door and I open the door and then some fucking

asshole in a fedora Not a fedora. Next to like his mistress, whatever. Next to his mistress? Goes, hey, hey, hey. What do you think you're doing? And I was like, I'm going inside to ask how long the wait is.

And he goes, oh, that's interesting. Because I don't know where you come from, but here we wait in line. Okay, so not even rude. That feels racist to me. It was whatever. Because he was drifting it to me and Rachel. So it was Rachel and I going in.

And then Rachel Winitsky was basically like, thank you so much. You've been so helpful. And then we walked inside and asked how long the wait was. And then guess what? We got seated within like 10 minutes. But then he was literally at the window. He's this fucking scumbag. Sticks out to me as like the rudest, worst person I've ever met. He sounds like a villain in Pinocchio or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very Disney villain. That is horrible. Isn't that awful? But maybe he was visiting as well. That's what I was going to say. Fedora, I don't... Fedora doesn't go with Toronto. No, no, no. That is horrible. Isn't that awful? But maybe he was visiting as well. That's what I was going to say. Fedora, I don't, it doesn't go with Toronto.

Fedora doesn't go with Toronto. No, no, no. I'm sorry. It's like that episode in Sex and the City when that scrunchie lady's in line and like, he's like,

see, I wrote a girl with a scrunchie. She's from New York. So he's like, man, where are you from? I'm visiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. That's what it was.

That person was visiting. Oh my God. Wait, that's burger culture, right? Burger culture. Oh my God. Burger. This guy god, burger. This guy was giving burger, but worse. He was visiting. I almost can stand behind it.

It doesn't sound like I'm Tony and Tim. That was not me saying genre has weird people. It's the side of one of the most egregious moments of rudeness. Once you said fedora, it just didn't sink in. Was he actually wearing a fedora? Yes. And I just keep envisioning a long feather.

He was wearing, yeah, no, there may or may not have been a feather. No, he was wearing like the shittiest hat I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, no, I don't like it. Terrible. So you should have just been like, you know, your hat looks like shit.

Yeah. I'm going to do that next time someone's rude to me. Well, you look fucking stupid. Yeah. Fuck off.

Sir, this is a Wendy's. I don't care. How long is the wait going to be at Wendy's? Well, you look fucking stupid. You look fucking stupid. Oh, my God. No, I'm the Pinocchio villain.

I see. The thing is, like, I don't consider myself a confrontational person at all. Until you push me. But in a situation like that it would be hard yeah very difficult because there's so many

like things and thoughts going through your head like whoa you know like when you said that I was like it sounds targeted it sounds kind of racist

oh no it's for sure because I know that they were pointing it at you and Rachel but I don't think they use the words I don't know where you come from right right right if it's like me and Rachel, but I don't think they use the words, I don't know where you come from.

Right, right, right. If it's like me and Rachel. No, totally. Very triggering. It fully like walloped me, but I was just like, oh, but it was, it was along with the rest of like, like the energy was just like. Whenever someone is being really rude, I feel like I never react in the moment because it filters through a thing of like, well, they can't possibly be being this rude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened to me last week here in New York. So it was my birthday and my boyfriend surprised me because I had never been to the Statue of Liberty. And so he's like, meet me at Battery Park and we'll go have an adventure. So I met him at like one and now we got there. I'm actually sobbing. I'm about to cry. And then he

saw me and he was like, surprised. He's like, he told me he'd never been to Statue of Liberty. So he got us, we're getting on the boat, we're going to Ellis Island, and then we're going to go and have lunch at one trade center like the top of the world and then after that we're going to go to like he had this whole thing planned

and I was like so emotional I was like oh my god that's so wonderful and I hugged him and gave him a kiss and in the corner of my eye I see a gentleman

and he goes hey no no no faggot and I looked and I was like I thought I misheard him and I made

and I justified that I didn't hear right there's no way he could be saying faggot. And I looked and I was like, I thought I misheard him. And I made it and I justified that I didn't hear right. There's no way he can be saying faggot. Yeah. And I thought there's no way this is New York city. I am. No, it's broad daylight. You know,

it's like, no, this is not happening. And I looked over it and my boyfriend's like, are you excited? He's like focusing on me. He's like focusing on me. He doesn't even hear the guy,

but I can't focus on anything else. But what he just said, and he's saying it again, he's waving like this and he's like, you like saying it again. And waving like this and he's like you and like saying it again and then he spits at us Jesus

oh so you guys were attacked and then I looked at him and he's like walking away and he spits at us and like the spit didn't hit us but it hit us pretty close and I looked at my boyfriend and he's still so in love

and so like focused on me he's like and then we're gonna go and I was like did you hear what he said and he was like what and he's still so in love and so focused on me. He's like, and then we're going to go. And I was like, did you hear what he said? And he was like, what? And he's like, he called me faggot. And it's like, who? And the guy had already walked away. And I was like, that guy.

And he spit at us. And he's like, ignore him. And I was like, no, I can't ignore him. And I was just like, what? And then he's like, this is New York City. And he's like, he's probably mentally ill or something. And he's like, I don't want to have to justify that someone's using that word. He doesn't know me.

He doesn't know that it's my birthday, that I'm having a great time with my… Or that you're a human being. You don't know me and you don't get to call me that. You don't get to call me that. And part of me wanted to go and say something and maybe get physical. I don't know, but I was so paralyzed and I hated the fact that I was paralyzed with this because the word itself sounded like, that can't be happening.

It's not surreal. It's surreal. And it's like watching a car accident that you're a part of or something. You know, it's like, I'm in an accident. Like, this is happening to me right now. It's totally that. It's shock.

I was frozen. And I was frozen. And he walked away and I didn't do anything. I just hated myself because I didn't believe it was happening. And I was so confused. I was like, wait I didn't believe it was happening and I was so confused I was like wait how come you can't hear him I heard you know and he was like because he was so

lovely and like just focusing on the day that he presented in front of us and then he was better than I was in the way of brushing it off but I was like it kind of ruined the beginning of that for me and then he's like hey look at me don't let this ruin the day for you let's say he was mentally ill so I was like yeah but that's not that's not a justification you know and also it's like it hey, look at me. Don't let this ruin the day for you. Let's say he was mentally ill. So I was like, yeah, but that's not a justification.

And also, it's of course a sweet thing. And he obviously wanted to salvage the day that he had created and make sure that it was still a happy day. But it's just like... It's in your eyeline, first of all. Yeah, that's what it is. And also, he didn't see it and he didn't experience it. So it was my island that was happening.

And the thing where it really hit me that it was, it was the spitting. And would it have been like, did he say that word? That's an attack. That's an assault. I mean, someone spitting at you is, yeah.

And I couldn't believe it and I was like, no, that is what's happening. And that's when I really kind of like came back to and I was like, that is what's happening

and then he walked away and I was like, I wish it would have came to me sooner. Yeah. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that that happened and you always wish later

that you could have been the best version of yourself in that moment or like the sharpest like, you know, had something to say. But the thing is like what they don't talk about is it's like they talk about the fight or flight response, but it's really the fight, flight, or freeze. That is

a totally valid reaction to that. And I hadn't felt that. And I hadn't felt that since I was, I mean, this only happened twice in my life. Once when I was six. And I went to visit my grandma in Mexico and I was hanging out with these kids and I brought my Tonka truck. And I wanted to play with them, but I was pretty flamboyant. And I brought the toy

to play with my new friends that I thought I was going to have. And it was at our neighboring house. And then my mom said, go play with them, you know, share your toys, because everyone here is privileged and you have toys. So I went to play with the toys and these boys were like we can't play with you because our brother

says you're a mariposa which means you're a butterfly it's a territory word about like you know the F word and I didn't understand that and I was like

what are you talking about mariposas are beautiful okay and he's like we can't play with you and they start chanting the word mariposa over and over

and I was like what are they doing and I just knew it was bad and I emotionally like couldn't do anything I just felt like it's only happened twice in my life when I was like what are they doing and I just knew it was bad and I emotionally like couldn't do anything I just felt like it's only happened twice in my life

when I was six and on my birthday last week and I was like this was a trajectory this was last week? this was last week and now it took me back to that six year old

where I didn't do anything I grabbed my truck and I walked away and they were chanting it over and over and I didn't defend myself because I didn't know what it meant

and I didn't know how to comprehend like the feelings that were going through my emotions everything and I look back and then I see start flying and they're rocks they're throwing rocks and one of them hits me right here and it scars me right here oh yeah you have a scar and so that was my first experience of being like bashed with this

word and feelings of like who I am is not accepted and it's just like I ran home and I was like covered in blood and I told my mom and I'm sobbing I'm like they call me mariposa and she's like who called you mariposa like they did why did they call me that and she kept saying who cares what they call you mariposas are beautiful and they get to fly all over the world and I knew she was protecting me because I was so young

and even in that moment you're like but why did it happen why did it happen and as an adult you're, why did that happen? Why did that happen? So that was a six-year-old. And now, like, you know, last week for my birthday, I was just like, how have I come this far? And I still am paralyzed when people, it's just like.

That has nothing to do with you, though. It's just the human brain. It was your response to it, period. And that is a valid response to it. And also, it's just crazy because you should be able to express affection to your partner freely, wherever. And it is scary though, because I also had a moment, it was probably about a year ago, that I kissed someone on the street and someone was walking past us and he said, none of that gay shit. And this was in Chelsea, you know what I mean?

And also, my ex, like he liked to like hold hands on the street and like be affectionate and like, you know, kiss in front of people. And I told him at one point, I was like,

Hey, like if I'm ever like dodging that or it feels like I'm not into it, it's not that I'm not into it or don't want to do it. It's I'm scared. It's because like,

you know, you hear a lot about this happening. It happened in Times Square Square a couple weeks ago. Yeah. A couple just holding hands. And no one did anything. So that was like, it's like, yeah.

I mean, a few years ago in the West Village, and sorry to upset the readers and everyone listening, but it's just something that's very real. And I think it's important that we talk about because we have these sort of ambiguous things of like, oh, it's getting worse. Things are happening. But specifically, there was someone shot. There was was a gay couple one of them was shot in the

west village on like literally west fourth and six it's like last summer it was like a few summers ago but like it's it's almost like not even the point of when it was it's just like recently it happened two gay men in gay parts of a gay city it's really shitty and I'm so sorry that it happened so recently and I'm sorry that we have to deal with it and I'm sorry

that we have to be we're still sharing these stories and they're so like relevant and it's not like it happened years ago it's like this is happening

you know and it's like and again this is you know obviously it's pretty heavy you know but it's also something

that needs to be addressed especially with the times that we're living in it's just I think that it's hard it's also something that needs to be addressed. Especially with the times that we're living in. It's just, I think that it's hard to explain to someone that doesn't have to, that isn't a scared person when they hold hands

or even are in a group of gay friends. You know what I mean? And this is why when people talk about going to like a gay destination, a queer place, a queer bar, it's like, it's a place where you like kind of let that armor drop. That's why people are obsessed

with going to Fire Island. It's because it's a place with basically no straight people so you kind of get to be safe. You're safe and then therefore that leads to a nice kind of innocent hedonism where you just are enjoying things and it's as simple as that.

I get a little self-conscious I'm like oh I don't really travel other places too much besides like my fire islands and like my this

and my that and I'm just like but it's just it's a literal safety yeah it's such a bummer I know yeah

but I do feel like talking about it helps and I think someone listening to us and you sharing that story about with your ex and me sharing that story well likewise

it's just like it will help because we shouldn't live in fear. And I think it helps us to share these stories with each other. You know? Yeah. And everyone does have one. Even if there's one that's not top of mind, like I wouldn't have even, it's like your

story like made me remember that. But it's like, it's less about I have a story and more about, and I'm sure a lot of people can connect to this. I'm sure we all do it's more about there is a baseline feeling of vulnerability at all times it's the reason why people

are in the closet or stay in the closet it's the reason why that is a stage in every queer identity is that you have to make the choice to announce it to like. You know, that's what it is. It's like the coming out of the closet, that phrase.

I always had a problem with it because coming out of the closet, it's like when someone quote unquote comes out of the closet, they already know who they are. They're sharing their information with you. Of course. It's not like a surprise. No. It's that they already knew. They asked themselves these questions. So I really think it should be called letting people in.

I let you in. And because you already know, you asked yourself that question. Am I queer? And by the time you come to like, okay, I'm, cause you already know, you asked yourself that question, am I queer? And by the time you come to like, okay, I'm going to share that information with someone. I'm going to let them in, not come out of the closet. I'm going to let them in. And what you do with that information is so important because it can go terribly wrong. When people let people in, look what happens. It should be let them into my walk-in. Let them into my walk-in. It's actually real culture number 80. It's not coming out of the closet. It's letting them into my walk-in. It's actually real culture number 80. It's not coming out of the closet. It's letting them into my walk-in.

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an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Now, Harvey, we want you to let us in into this question that we ask all of our guests, which is, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me, culture is for you? What is the formative piece of pop

culture that sort of set you on? Well, it's so funny because I think that a lot of young kids who watch Titanic for the first time, I was obsessed with Titanic and then more with Kate Winslet. And then I went down a rabbit hole

and then went to see her, one of her first films. And then I was obsessed because of Kate Winslet, became more obsessed with Melanie Linsky. Oh my God! Heavenly Creatures, I was obsessed with it. I would watch that and I was like, this is for me. Peter Jackson is for me.

This is for me. These young actors who I was just blown away how amazing they were at such a young age. This is for me. This is the world I want to live in. This is movies and this culture is for me and then just going down a rabbit hole of films that peter had made and like just like for me i would like literally would quote like if someone were having lunch or something out in the cafeteria and then someone grabs the last nachos i'd be like go ahead treat yourself

how chic for your way into p Jackson to be Heavenly Creatures. That is so, like, of course I know Lord of the Rings, but really Heavenly Creatures was my way into Peter Jackson. I was obsessed. We just had Melanie on the show, so this is funny. That's why Titanic is important is because it becomes this gateway into those other stuff. And it's a rabbit hole. It went down, and it started with Kate, and Kate's amazing. But then I discovered Melanie, and I was like, oh my gosh. And then go down that, and I was like it went down and i was it started with like kate and kate's amazing but then i discovered melanie and i was like oh my gosh and then go down that and i was like she's

so phenomenal everything she's done yeah but i'm a cheerleader like i was just like all the stuff that she's done i was like that was for me i quote those things of my friends all the time and then it just goes you know and then other movies as well like it's just like old like campy stuff like you know baby janearest, of course. It's queer culture. So queer culture through that way of Titanic was kind of what I've learned. The six degrees of Kate Winslet leading you out

into Mommy Dearest. Titanic did give you this understanding of camp, I think, because the dialogue is I think consciously campy. Because it's literally what Kiki Palmer was talking about on the podcast where she was like, he has to recoup on these movies.

He has to make this dialogue as general and as understandable to as many people as possible. The inflection on those lines, too. Like, I put the coat on her. And I put the diamond in the cup. And I put the diamond in the cup. It's like all those lines are just like, you know, going down the elevator.

Like, so iconic. The inflection on those lines were like, it's just, going down the elevator, like so iconic. The inflection on those lines were like, it's just, it couldn't have been done any other way. I think it was the first time I ever saw the middle finger used.

In the elevator? Yeah. That's actually a pull I didn't realize I had, but the first time I ever saw the fuck you gesture with the middle finger may have been Titanic

because I was told, in a film anyway, because I was told when I was in kindergarten that I was doing it, but without realizing what it was, I think I like buses before Titanic, but I was having my middle fingers up like this. I guess I just thought it was funny.

And my teacher wrote a letter home that I had been using the middle finger. And my parents were so upset because I think they thought I knew what the fuck I was doing. And then when it was two years later in 97, I saw that and I was like, oh, I get it. It's a crude gesture. I've always had a question though. That's so funny. Yeah. But

I feel like, is that anachronistic? Did the middle finger mean that in 1912? That's actually an interesting question for a historian. I've always thought that when I've watched. Well, I went down how accurate a lot of things were and like the actual number they're looking for them. And they're having sex in the car. Yeah.

And the guys, the like lamps. And they go, you know, they found them. Lamps weren't invented until a year after Titanic. Oh my God, Harvey. Becca, Becca Prudis and Brecker, can you look up the origin of the middle finger? Okay, this is huge. We're going to get to the bottom of this. That is huge.

And I had never thought about that. And it was a year too early, and I was like, oh, those weren't in there. That is funny. So what were they using, torches? Lanterns. Lanterns. Okay, so make sure that we're picking up Becca here, because she's going to deliver the news. All right. According to the BBC, the Greeks used the middle finger as an explicit reference to male genitalia as far back as 419 BC.

This is one of the oldest things you could do. So this erect finger is supposed to be a penis. So when I pointed at you, it's literally fuck you. Yes. Oh. In the classic times. In Greece. And so international.

It is. it really is so it's like the Greeks were doing fuck you and also gay sex before anyone else that's so cool can I say

the ancient Greeks would have loved poppers and it's actually rule of culture number 49 the ancient Greeks would have loved poppers I think it's engraved in like

when you go into the Colosseum it's bible now oh my god it's bible well it's engraved into our commandments the rules of culture. So it is so.

And so it shall be done. And so it shall be done. So Titanic sort of set you on a course. Then did you become like a little like cinephile? Were you the person that was like in school being like, I know movies? Yeah. So I would go to school and like watch and start watching shows that were not like age appropriate.

Like I was obsessed with Amy Sedaris and Strangers with a Candy where like I would go to school and start watching shows that were not age appropriate. I was obsessed with Amy Sedaris and Strangers with a Candy. Where I would go to school and kids would be like, what are you talking about? And I was like, Packing a Musket by Jerry Blank. And I knew that monologue. Actually, funny story, I auditioned with that monologue for my first musical theater gig out of school. And I booked it. Just Jerry Blank's monologue. With Jerry.

I did Packing a Musket. It was like, when you work from home and John's calling the phone Jerry Blank's monologue. With Jerry. I did Packing a Musket. It was like, when you work from home and John's calling the phone, you're a call girl. When you walk with a limp and give a cut to a pimp, you're a street whore.

You're giving, you're doing Jerry. Yeah, like, did the whole thing. I thought it was a joke. I did this joke because I was like, I'm not supposed to audition

while I'm in school. I auditioned while I was still in school as a joke. And I got it. And then I moved to Japan for 13 months. Wow. Wow. What was your experience living in Japan? I got it and then I moved to Japan for 13 months ah wow wow what was your experience

living in Japan I loved it I also got there and you know hadn't done anything before so I wouldn't be like just play cool professional blah blah

and then I got there and they gave me the script and it was in Japanese and I was like oh no I got the Japanese version and they're like yeah

it's like we open in two weeks and it was like wait what this is in Tokyo this is Osaka oh so then how did it work because phonetically you say it in Japanese like it's like we open in two weeks and it was like wait what this is in tokyo this is osaka oh so then how did it work because phonetically you say in japanese like it's like we're not doing an english show in japan like they brought american actors to do a show in japanese and so that i i just completely i didn't have an age or anything it was just like i just got the job and

i was like well i know when to and so i had to learn so like to this day i had to understudy uh the wizard with the white wig and makeup like i never went on thank god so I had to learn. So like to this day, I had to understudy the wizard with the white wig and makeup. Like I never went on, thank God. But I had to learn his song, Sentimental Man. To this day, when that song comes out, it goes automatically Japanese in my head.

Wait, this is for Wicked? Yeah. You were the wizard? Unreal. I was just swinging to the- And I was like, which made no sense because the show that I originally did there

was Sesame Street. So I was a 13 year old boy. And I was like, how did I go from 13 to like 58? Talent. Rain. She got rain. She got rain. Sesame Street so I was a 13 year old boy and I was like how did I go from 13 to like 58 talent range she got range she got range so to this day

literally when I hear something it's like I heard Elphaba in there oh my god that was amazing that's amazing do you pick up and retain any of the language? I did for a while.

But now it's gone. When I got back, I would hear someone in an elevator visiting. I was like, oh. And I'd give them directions. I was like, what's up? How are you? This is your school. I'd pick up stuff and say it.

And it's like, if you don't use it, you lose it. Totally. Especially that one. Yeah. So to this day, it's hard to just go back and be like, no, I can still. No, I haven't used it in years. Nope. There's a part of your brain that's committed to it

I can pick it up like I can pick it up and I was like but it's not as like by the 11th month I was just having full on conversations and stuff

what was the Japanese Alphaba giving I've seen clips of them but yes go on so Japanese well Alphaba was American or Australian

oh when it was Gemma she was an actor from Australia she actually did Alphaba W American or Australian. Oh, oh, oh. One of them was Gemma. She was an actor from Australia. She actually did Alphaba Wicked in Australia. Like that's the company. So she did it in Japan. The only lead that was Japanese was Glinda. Oh, cool.

So the other line that I used to love is like, what happened when she used her magic? What did you do? What did you do? Like it's just like, what happened? Why did you do that? I hope you're happy. I mean,'re happy. Like, that's so good. I mean, I love this.

The craziest thing about any show, but Wicked, I am slightly familiar with, like, the international aspect of it, because Stephen Arimus, who's been, like, working on the show since the beginning, who's working on the movie, like, he's literally, like, traveling. He still travels all over the world to be like,

all right, we got to do it in like, you know, Hungary. Now we have to do it in like, you know, fucking Slovakia or wherever. I'm just making up places, but he literally goes to like Eastern Europe,

Asia, like all these places and it is just like so, so wonderful how like international like musical theater can be, whatever. I'm sounding like such a kid about this.

But it's also some things like phonetically or like the diphthongs, like they get lost when translated. Yeah, be, whatever. I'm sounding like such a kid about this. It's true though. It's like, but it's also some things like phonetically or like the diphthongs, like they get lost when translated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like it's like popular is so specific because it goes with the pop. Popular, yeah. So then it's like when you change that,

it's like some things get a little bit lost and you're like, wow. There are compilations out there of like alphabets from every country. Yeah, I've watched nearly all of them. They're all gags. Every alphabet.

There are some Korean alphabets that like go off. Yeah. Eat, tear, and more. Eat, I've watched nearly all of them. They're all gags. There are some Korean alphabets that go off. Eat, tear, and more. Eat, tear, and more. It's actually Rural Culture number 92. There are some Korean alphabets who eat, tear, and more. Harvey, that's amazing.

It was my first big gig and I'm glad I did it and I was thrown in there. But then going back, musical theater was my training but I didn't end up doing it and I was just like thrown in there but then going back musical theater was my training but I didn't end up doing it I ended up going to TV and film so like looking back I'm like

but I feel like I'm going to go back to the stage yeah when are you going back to the stage? maybe sooner than we think oh yeah interesting

an announcement that we cannot announce how interesting Harv well your boyfriend's here in New York yeah that would be really

a great idea I found myself like lucky I was like getting work out here this year and then spending more and more time here so

cause at first I was like let's see how this plays out like it's like you know when the relationship's early and you're like I don't live here how long have you guys been together

five months oh that's oh it's new you're past the three month benchmark which I think is like my wall it's like

not my wall but it's like the hill I have to crest all the time or six months sorry six months now six months now yeah yeah yeah

so half a year that's pretty good that's pretty good if you were to ask me this like in month one or two when it was like okay let's see how this works out

no totally you know what I mean but now I'm like you know what this is steady steady looking for apartments you know

just looking for apartments at six months I mean not like it's helping he's moving on his own yeah yeah yeah no no no no but I'm helping but you're a six months I mean not like it's helping he's moving yeah yeah yeah no no no no

but I'm helping but you're a part of it in a substantial way yes and why wouldn't you be exactly exactly yeah so

because I was like well you know what I do spend a lot of time here and back and forth it's kind of like killer it's pretty fun here it is fun I mean New York is back

it's back it's back and we I just had this conversation yesterday with a couple friends like the phrase New York is back has been said for years it's been said for years but what I mean, New York is back. It's back. It's back. And we just had this conversation yesterday with a couple of friends. Like the phrase New York is back. Has been said for years. It's been said for years.

But what I mean is like, and tell me if you agree. New York never left. Like, no, it for sure left. Like I feel like the pandemic killed New York. And then New York was quote unquote back when everything opened up again. But I feel New York was not really back because everything was operating at an 11. And there was like, I remember I was in like, like I stayed in the Lower East Side when I first came here.

And it was like, everyone was like really frantic about being able to be out again. And there was chaos. Now it feels like I say New York is back because we've reverted back to like, chill New York. We're not like, you know, it's not crazy about being able to be out.

Yeah, there was always going to be an overcorrective spike up, and now I think the needle is back to the center or whatever. Yes, exactly. For those of us who never left New York and put in the hard yards, am I using that term correctly? Yeah, sure. What does hard in the paint mean again?

Hard in the paint means when you're like, it's a basketball thing. It's like when you're driving down the court, you're going hard in the paint mean again? Hard in the paint means when you're like, it's a basketball thing. Yeah. It's like when you're driving down the court, like you're going hard in the paint. Like it's like, am I doing this right? Like hard in the paint. It's like when you are really riding hard for something,

like I use it like I go hard in the paint for Kelly Clarkson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like this year at the Oscars, I went hard in the paint for Michelle Yeoh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's how you'd use it.

Doing the hard yards is like, I've been through shit. Like Michelle Yeoh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that's how you'd use it. Doing the hard yards is like, I've been through shit. Like, Michelle Yeoh did the hard yards. Yeah. And that's why I go hard in the paint. Totally. I would say that that kind of works with what I'm saying. I think it worked the entire way through.

Okay. Being in the pandemic in New York era was doing the hard yards. I feel like I never really called myself a New Yorker until that. Until like 2021, when I was like, whoa, I like made it through. Isn't the rule though that 10 years in I never really called myself a New Yorker until that. Until like 2021 when I was like, whoa, I like made it through. Isn't the rule though that 10 years in New York means you're a New Yorker for life?

I didn't feel that at 10 years. But it's not up to you. I'm saying like, that's unspoken rule. It's a feeling. It's a feeling. It is the general rule of thumb. It's the general rule of thumb. If you are 10 years in.

But I do feel like those that stayed through the pandemic earned I feel like I earned an extra strike achievement unlocked I moved during the pandemic double points that's triple points triple points that's huge no that's major

that's multiplier status I just feel like we did college here and then like all our 20s here and so here's what I thought

I felt like I could finally call myself a New Yorker when anyone could ask me any question about the subway and I could answer. That's actually really good. Anytime you have the subway down, if someone comes up to you and they're like,

how do I get the E? And you can tell them, you're a New Yorker baby. You are, yeah. I mean, I'm an Angeleno-born raise, so there's a revolving door of actors and models and writers that go through that city every day. Yes, yes how do you feel I feel the same way that it's like

after 10 years we have people who are like I moved here 2 years ago I was like no I live there I'm an Angelina I was like

I was born and raised here and just like so honorary at 10 years yes but before that I feel like it's premature and that's the thing

that most actors probably won't stay 10 years most actors get there and they're like not for me. Writers, oh, I'm not. Or they get outsourced to Atlanta or New York or Toronto. Because we rarely work in LA.

I mean, I did this small part in that movie, Lyle, Lyle Crocodile. And I was on set one day and they filmed in Atlanta. And I was working with this Atlanta-based actress. And she was sort of debating a life change because she was pregnant. She was like, I want to raise my kid in LA, but I work so much more here in Atlanta than any of my friends that went to LA

because it's so crowded. Like if you're a good actor or performer in an area where they do a lot of shoots, like I would imagine Toronto, like all those Canada local hires and Vancouver, everywhere. Like it might be beneficial Canada local hires, and Vancouver. It might be beneficial for you to stay, especially now. You'll be a big fish in a smaller pond. Exactly.

And I have a lot of friends in LA who moved to Atlanta and have thriving careers. Because the backyard, you're considered a local hire. You have to put you up and fly you over per diem. That gets expensive. And if you can make it in LA and continuously work, then stay there, obviously, because you make connections with casting directors or whatever. But if you don't, then get your jump somewhere else. And you might find out that that was the road or trajectory you're supposed to be on.

Build a resume, I say. You know what I mean? Come in with a resume, not just so that you can have a piece of paper that says, here's what I've done, but also you can have the experience. And then you go to a big city like LA or New York, and then you're… An A-list city. An A-list city. An A-list city. Am I going to get told that? No, no, no.

I'm just giving you a hard time. But do you feel a certain way about moving to New York? Does it feel like you're betraying L.A.? I mean, but I feel like, going back to what you said about L.A. and New York being the top, I think that I'm good either or. I've always been Angeleno. But if, for whatever reason, career, love moves you to a city what a great place to be

can I say what I mean by A-list city? here's what I mean to make it international Paris, London, Beijing you know what I mean? Sydney keep going I'm like Hilary Duff

London, Paris, maybe Tokyo there's something going on everywhere I go tonight wow she had some bops didn't she absolutely Hilary Duff's music does not get the respect

is she on the show no oh my god she should be why not the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back I love that I love that oh my gosh We'll be right back. we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy? We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at nine on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble.

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and we just put it in its place, I'd say. We drag it. We use the words I Don't Think So, Honey about it, which is no greater burn. And I literally in this moment do not have something, but I'm going to think of something within five seconds. Or do you have something?

I have something. Then you go. Okay. All right. So this is Bowen Yangs, who I'm so lucky to call my best friend and co-host. I'm so lucky to call

my best friend and co-host. It's his, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Johnny Depp just got signed on a $20 million deal with Dior for a men's fragrance thing. Who wants to smell like him?

Do you look at Johnny Depp and go, I bet he smells good. I think it is giving greasy. It's giving unwashed. No problem. That's his whole thing. No problem. But that's his whole thing. Yeah.

That's my point exactly is that like this guy can't be paid that much money for a fragrance campaign because who in their right mind wants to smell like that?

And Dior, I wish for better because normally you nail it on the fragrance people you sign. Love. I still remember we all knew where we were

when Charlize Theron ripped off her gold dress, her pearls, whatever the fuck for her, you know, J'adore thing. Her neck piece. Her neck piece, yes. Natalie Portman, Miss Dior. Miss Dior, who could forget?

Mademoiselle. Mademoiselle. Mademoiselle, thank you. Johnny, I feel like it's not aspirational. And that's one minute. Now I know what I'm going to do, and it's directly relevant to yours, and we're going to go right in. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Johnny Depp's fragrance that was called Sauvage. It looks like sausage. When you look at the word it looks like sausage. Then not only are you opting into a fragrance that says smell like Johnny Depp which I agree with my sister. I don't think so honey.

But then I really don't think so honey that it's one word away from sausage which we love to eat and smell, but not in a fragrance capacity, in a breakfast capacity. I don't think so, honey, sausage smelling like when you

hey, come here, clop my neck. It's sausage. Get out of town. Hello? I don't think so, honey, this idea that Sauvage and Johnny Depp isn't going to be gnarly on the ears because guess what? 15 seconds. Then I was gifted the

fragrance. It's a really good fragrance and I wear it a lot and then I have to say they'd say, what are you wearing? I'd be humiliated when I say Johnny Depp sausage? I don't think so, honey. That's one minute.

Oh, girl, you are so right for that one. $20 million. I'm just confirming. I was like, that number can't be right. Just check. $20 million. $20 million to do what? Like be in a couple pictures?

To be in a couple pictures, do an ad, have some, what are they called? Like principal days or something? Like days where you have to really do it. I don't get this because is Johnny Depp's demographic, which I'm going to assume is largely male, are they buying this fragrance for themselves?

Because that's another thing you have to think about is it's like... Or is it like people... Yeah, what do you think? Are they just straight women? The demo is like women who would love to like

put it on a scarf and be like, mmm, smells like Johnny Depp. Yes. Do women still like Johnny Depp? We'll keep it to straight people. But yeah,

it might be women buying it for their fucking boyfriends. That's true. They want them to feel like a superstar that smells like that. I don't...

But as we all know, he's not a good partner. He's not a great... He's not going to be the best boyfriend in the world to you. I think it's just brand recognition at this point.

It's brand recognition as the Caribbean. Yeah. You know what will shake you? Is going to Pirates of the Caribbean on the ride and Johnny Depp is just all over it still. I get it. He ultimately was, I guess,

uncanceled by the whole thing because he was found... That whole court case is such a dark mark on history. But it's just odd that it's just odd that it's still so present. It's interesting to me that Disney is like,

no problem, keep him there. No, I think the ride went dark while that was happening. I remember being at Disneyland. Oh, really? Did it really? Did they do a quote-unquote refurbishment? Yeah, which I think they might have. And then as soon as the verdict came out, it was like, it's back! You know what?

That's really smart. Because they've had to do a lot. And you know what the thing is with that particular attraction is they've already done so much work to like make it not problematic. Because famously, that ride used to have. One of those things is like,

he's rocking back and forth in a chair. No, those animatronics are so expensive. Well now, okay. So Rockin' Roller Coaster is Aerosmith, and that ride is down, and a lot of people think it's because Steven Tyler had allegations. And then I think about all those actors

in the pre-shows and stuff, and it's like, you have to really ride hard for these people to put them in your thing for all of time and make sure that it's not weird. Is there an example of that? I mean, Felicia Rashad Dinosaur is, it's not like an egregious thing, but it is like weird. Like, is there an example of that? I mean, Felicia Rashad dinosaur is, it's not like an egregious thing, but it is like a, okay, well, you've got a Bill Cosby apologist up there.

And every time I see it, I'm like, she's a Bill Cosby apologist. But she's also Felicia Rashad and slaying the pre-show dinosaur. I'm sure there's someone at Disney who, like, does the account, the goodwill accounting for all of their pre-show talent. They're like, well, how much do people love this person? And how do we weigh that weigh that against like the shit they've done and said well

and like honestly it's now like really topical because of the jonathan majors of it right right like the jonathan majors of it and it keeps getting worse we will see okay um so we basically have done one joint i don't think so honey about Johnny Depp and his fragrance trajectory if yours is in the same area that's wonderful if it's not still slay okay mine is hold on we're going to count you in

and this is Harvey Guillen's I don't think so honey time starts now musicals and plays that take several days to watch I don't think so honey okay I'm getting if I have a weekend in New York I want to see something

beautiful something artistic and if you have to now take two of my days to go see this play and this musical I don't think so and it's starting to just

it's getting out of control it's just like you know it started I feel like in the West End and it's moving over here and it's just like I love musicals and I love watching theater

but it's hard enough to sit through a theater production for three hours and then the three hours is like okay I got it the beginning and I love watching theater, but it's hard enough to sit through a theater production for three hours. And then the three hours is like, okay, I got it. 30 seconds. And I just don't want to be coming to New York so often that my time is consumed with sitting on a chair watching two productions that took three weeks to watch. Just because the first one's on Tuesday, the next one's on Wednesday. And if you don't get tickets for the Thursday, you're not going to watch the Saturday matinee.

15 seconds. I don't think so, honey. Let's go back to just beginning, middle, and end in one sitting so I can watch several shows all at one time because otherwise, I don't think so, honey. Five seconds. Okay, you know what?

Just stop. Just stop. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Yes. Perfect. It's a huge logistical ask. It is.

It's my time and then I want to see the craft, but also if it takes you that long and it's going to be two days, is this like a destination wedding? Yeah. Is this a destination wedding? I would do it if it was like the Saturday matinee and then the Saturday evening performance. But then I guess you can only do it once a week.

Exactly. And that takes your whole day. And then you have to go home and decompress. I go, wow, that was really crazy and heavy. And that takes your whole day. And then you have to go home and like decompress. I go, wow, that was really crazy and heavy. And then, wow. And then so your whole day and weekend now revolves

around this production and then you're like, oh, I miss someone's birthday. You know, just like, oh, I miss Mother's Day.

Oh my God. You start missing life. What have you seen that's like this? Did you see the recent Angels? Harry Potter. Harry Potter. And Angels.

And some people are like, I love the first half and not the second one. I don't want to wait until the second half to find out I didn't like the second half. It's like, okay, I'm in. I'm going to come back and then leave disappointed and be like, I could have done with just the first. Totally. I could have done with Saturday. Well, the first half better be good because I'm telling you,

if I am sitting for two and a half hours of the first act and it's not good, I'm not coming. Well, that's my question. How many of those seats are empty for the second part? Well, I did this once. It was a Sunday between SNL shows. SNL weeks. I was so exhausted, but I had tickets to go see

both parts of The Inheritance. And, lovely show. It was just, I was just like, I've been here for seven hours. This was my whole day. Life is too short. Life is too short. And it was like my only day off. And I kind of do think that corrupted my mindset going into the show. And did it go into the next week? Because you weren't fully rested maybe?

And it fully went into the next week. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's an extra ticket and it's whatever. It's all that stuff. Often these shows are intense. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's like it deals with subject matter that's like, okay, not only am I seeing a play that's this but the play is super size yeah and then now it's not like

going to see a musical but like that was so much fun for 18 hours like it's just like because if you're going to have fun let's wrap it up

you know what I mean but it's going to be intense keep it moving keep it moving it's just like it's a lot and heavy

and then it carries over to the next week what was your thought like process Monday morning yeah exactly and just like

okay oh I have to go back to wait but why did she say that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, here we are. We're literally saying like

the ideal length of a film is like 86 minutes. Like we saw a movie the other night. It was Josh Sharpener and Jackson's new movie. We saw early screening. 82 minutes. 82 minutes. We were like,

oh my God. Yeah. Not a minute wasted, not a minute over asked, over done. Every movie should be a typical length of like a House of Dragons. But that's too long. Which is too long for a TV show.

Right. Very important. Every movie should be succession. I fall into the TV shows where I forget that it's not just an hour or 30 minutes and then you lost like 90 minutes and you're like oh shit that was really good

oh my god like I lost track of time like you know like sometimes and they I just don't think they advertise it as like stay tuned for the next 90

it's like you watch an episode you think it's an hour or 60 minutes or 30 minutes some of these shows are going on for a while things be long

things be so long you know what's getting me I'm hitting pause all the time I go oh my food's here oh and then you get back into it yeah yeah yeah and then you might rewind a little bit Things be long. Things be long. You know what's getting me? I'm hitting pause all the time. I go, oh, my food's here. Oh, I gotta go. And then you have to get back into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you might rewind a little bit.

And I'm like, I gotta rewind. Yeah, because I forgot. And then sometimes the recap, I forgot everything because it's been so long or I didn't want to watch it the next day unless I'm binging it. And it's like, what? I know.

You know what else I don't think so, honey? I don't think so, honey. I'm skipping the recap. I need the recap. The recap has to happen. Because it makes me realize I didn't think so honey I don't think so honey skipping the recap I need the recap the recap has to happen because it makes me realize I didn't remember any of that stuff and I have to go back

to maybe see it again didn't remember and also the recap gives you hints as to what's going to happen in the episode and so you're like oh these are the threads

that are going to slay like what my favorite thing is about Succession if in the recap if Willa is in the recap I'm like slay we're getting Willa Willa is going to be in the episode if in the recap, if Willa is in the recap, I'm like, slay, we're getting Willa. Willa is going to be in the episode

because I ride so hard for Willa. But you know what show is not doing that? What? Survivor. Survivor is not giving me the recaps. They used to do it. But they're not anymore, and I think it's very important that they do it

because sometimes I go, oh, who voted for who again? Oh, right. Oh, who's on what team? It's that kind of thing. So I guess by the time this airs, Survivor will have ended. We'll be done, yeah. But Survivor's having an incredible season.

But I still have my same thoughts about Survivor, which is two things. One, yes, it's way more than two things. But two of the things are, one, yes, give me a previously. And also, two, I miss when the jury members would walk in. Oh! I miss on the jury where like and joining us is Candice voted out last week.

And then you'd see like. They cut to Candice and she would like have a sour look on her face. But what I loved was when the girls who got voted out were clean and got a blowout. And got to put makeup on for the jury. Had a nice meal. Whenever you see a hot guy that was, like whenever you see like a hot guy

that was voted out and like you see that they've cut their beard or whatever, like you see them. That's such a moment. The moment of them coming in and sitting down

and looking at people that voted them out and they're hot now and it's kind of scary. And the tension of the facial expressions going back and forth. Yes, yes, yes.

Because it's like, oh shit, I did send you home. It's like, I'm back. Yes, yes. It's like that facial expression. I miss so much about old versions. And I still miss so much about old versions and I still love

Survivor but old versions of Survivor like we're not in the glory days right now and it's okay but it's a great season great season and Carolyn is

a star a star we don't know yet if she wins we fucking hope so but um are you into Survivor I started watching Survivor when I was

in high school and then I kind of like went out of it yeah it's understandable it's back in a big way it's back in a big way it It's back in a big way. It's just so much content. It's back in the way

New York is back. New York and Survivor are both back. It's actually Rural Culture number 30. New York and Survivor are both back. So I'm going to move to New York

and start watching it. Perfect. Then you'll be actualized. And then I can actually come and sit with you. Well, you can watch it in your apartment. Yes, at New Yorker.

Oh my gosh, yeah. With your man. God, I had so much fun. This was so great. And we're going to hang more tomorrow. Oh, gosh, yeah. With your man. God, I had so much fun. This was so great. And we're going to hang more tomorrow. Oh, that's right. At the GLAAD, because Harvey is hosting the GLAAD Awards. We're so excited.

Congrats. Las Codrillas podcast is nominated. Let's see if we keep picking up that hardware. We are, of course, iHeartRadio's best podcast of the year. Snub by the Webbies. And Snub by the Queerties. Snub by the Queerties,ub by the queerties as usual as usual

yeah don't know a single person who's won a queertie just kidding do you know Nicole Byer I do know Nicole Byer I think she's won 5,000 queerties

I think I was just with her like two nights ago yeah she's won about she's won approximately 5,000 queerties she was at my birthday

karaoke party yeah she's the best oh I can't think of anyone more fun to have at a karaoke birthday but she didn't sing though she's like oh no I do not sing.

That's a good Nicole. But she has good presence. Oh, she was great presence. Probably very supportive. So supportive. Did she bring her queerities? No, she didn't. There were too many.

There wasn't enough room. There probably wasn't enough room. There's probably a warehouse full of queerities. She has the archive house. I get it. I get it. This was incredible. Thank you so much.

Thanks for having me. Oh, my God. this is a blast. And Bowen Yang, what do you say we end this episode like we do every single one with a song? I say yes. London, Paris, Tokyo. There's something going on

everywhere you go. Do you not know Wake Up by Hilary Duff? I don't know it between the Wake Up, Wake Up. What Hilary Duff song do you know? Hey now, hey now, this is what dreams are made of.

If you want to hear that, watch the Lizzie McGuire movie. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I don't know why I wanted to say Cinderella. I think it could be from

No, it's Lizzie McGuire. It's Lizzie McGuire. Because it's when she's remember that crazy I think it was Lizzie McGuire Alex Borstein. When she turns into Because it's when she's... Remember that crazy... I think it was Lizzie McGuire. When she turns into like Italian version. Alex Borstein is in that movie. But do you remember when

Rita played like the Italian version of herself? But she was like, no, I'm not going to do this. Oh my... She had this for Mario. She did? No. We gotta go.

Bye. I love that. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Sheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby.

And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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