Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Episode In Which We Push Boundaries" (w/ D'Arcy Carden)

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

BAM. Surprise! Yeah, today is different. Not only because we have reader/Kayteigh/publicist/finalist favorite D'Arcy Carden (The Thanksgiving Play on Broadway) on the pod, but because it is officially AWARDS SEASON. Publicists, start campaigning for your Las Culturistas Culture Award nominees! Whatever that means to you! Matt, Bowen and D'Arcy discuss doin' Broadway, Succession lately, hearing Melanie Lynskey say the name "D'Arcy Carden" out loud, Sunny Hostin vs, Bethenny Frankel, leaving room in the culture for flirtation, the phrase "six of one, half a dozen", changing mindsets around sex as spring begins to really spring, Katy Perry's PRISM, and LaGuardia being THAT GIRL. All this, the problem of Skin, the concept of Time, and the inevitability of Death. Kiss, kiss. Comp, chomp. Roar. We're horny <3See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my God. There's now six hands in the middle. We are really pushing the boundaries today. Here's a huge explosive bit of reality for you. Open wide. Open wide. Open wide. We're not wearing cans, which is the sort of professional way of saying we're not wearing headphones, which is the professional way of saying that this is going to be real. Not only are we not wearing them, we have eschewed them.

We have eschewed cans. Please confirm I'm using it correctly. I don't know because I heard someone say askew the other day and I went, hold on. Askew is different than, to eschew something is different than for something to be askew. But they said this game is skewed conventional thing. Who's at it? Can we? Someone on YouTube.

A YouTube video game vlogger that I follow. You would stack my reputation as a wordsmith against this YouTuber? That's not what I'm saying. I feel like Margot Robbie in the film Mary Queen of Scots. What did she say? When she said something about my inferior. And Margot said, you're inferior. That's how I feel in the face of what you've said.

And not only just said, but done to me just now. Mary Queen of Scots. A movie that should have been watched more, yes or no? I wouldn't know. I didn't watch it. But we all saw the trailer. You know what's crazy? We've sort of already decided, and this is breaking news,

we've already decided what the categories will be for the Las Corizas Culture Awards, but now I'm thinking, do we bring back the category of best movie we did not see? And is Mary Queen of Scots a front runner in the category? I think best movie we did not see is still in the category list. Let me just, should I check? Yes.

Yes, okay, hold on. This would be huge to break the news of this category. Okay, there's more reveals incoming, but let's just see. There are so many reveals incoming because guess what? We are here to announce,

this is a huge episode in which we push boundaries. And so far, the front runner for Title of the Up is episode in which we push boundaries. But we're going to see if we can beat it. But it is officially awards season. It is awards season. It is Lost Culture, Recess Culture awards season. The publicist, you are rehired.

Hit the ground and campaign. It is time, Bo and Yang. The ceiling. We feel great. This is one of the only award shows that is not touched by the strike. No. This couldn't be less skilled. We're not going to pull a Drew Barrymore and pull out of the movie awards at the last minute,

which we applaud her for doing. And I am going to stand up right now and do very that. Stand up right now and do very that. Stand up right now and do very that. Stand up right. That's actually rule of culture number eight. And I'm going to stand up right now and do very that. We have to acknowledge something. First of all,

there's a dog in the studio named Ruth who is a star. It is not every day. You meet a legend. No, it is not every day. And I think today is a legendary day for me personally i'm seeing ruth our guest is inches away from me we're seeing muna tonight at terminal five which a venue i have not returned to since college i'm very scared well i mean famously gaga performed

at terminal five back then and she went on to become lady Gaga the actress and I want to say one quick thing before we bring the legendary guest in and you're all just like edging at home for you've all skipped 15 seconds skip I just want to say I want to relate to the audience for just one second so it's sort of spring is definitely

sprung it's May we're in May Bowen says to me I'm wearing my concert clothes to the recording. Yeah. I have a full on panic. I ask you, what are you wearing? You don't respond literally right away. I didn't see it.

I'm sorry. No, don't apologize to me. I'm just saying it's indicative of a phenomenon right now, which is, oh, my God, spring is sprung. I'm back in New York. What is clothes right now? I don't know if I can go out in the pants. Our guest is holding a full-on jacket, which I swear you couldn't need

less. Welcome back to New York, kid. My sister, the way you just rolled your eyes at the guest. Welcome back to New York. Get a good lawyer. Get a good lawyer. The way that you're in cut-off everything. Yeah, it's too much. I looked at myself in the mirror,

but it was 1.30. I was like, I got to get on the train. And you're wearing Muna merch? I'm wearing Muna merch. This is merch that they gifted me. Well, I mean, you are dressed for it, and I didn't know what to do, and that's why I got myself today.

Aimless. It doesn't matter. No, that's not what Muna is about. This is my form of expression in my excitement to go to the Muna concert. Okay. I'm going to go to the Muna concert. Okay. I'm going to go home, cut more things away. Yes.

Maybe I'll come in a Mets shirt that's cut up. Yes. And I'll be like, life's so fun. Life's so fun. Our guest is currently on Broadway. Let that sink in. Let that sink in. Let that sink in. And can I say,

this is going to sound, this is going to sound interesting. Well, it's going to sound how it's going to sound. I was talking to her good friend, our good friend. Shared good friend. Shared good friend, Michael Cruz-Cain, who also has a show opening soon.

Sometimes you hear someone's name and you just start- You just throw your hands at each other. You just start shaking your head in the positive way. You know what I mean? You're like, damn. And he's one of those names you hear and you just start... You just throw your hands at the girl. You just start shaking your head in the positive way. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, damn. And he's one of those names you hear and you just start

shaking your head, damn. Damn. You go, yes. A finalist. A finalist. Michael Cruz-Cain is a finalist for sure. We were both walking from the theater, from Helen Hayes' second stages, to the party space, talking about our guest, going, God, isn't it just amazing that it, like,

it translates? We've seen her on stage at UCB, in TV shows and movies, but then to see her on like a Broadway stage, not terribly existentially different from anything else, but just it is a different energy and to see her fucking both carry in her moments where she's supposed to carry as her character and then also share the space in this wonderful ensemble comedy, the Thanksgiving play. It is special. It is wonderful. I was very happy to bear witness to it, as were you.

Absolutely. I mean, I couldn't have said it better myself. I said, it's just stardom on display, luminosity. Luminosity. With three other stars. With truly a great cast. And I mean, it's also a really fun play in and of itself. Like it's going to get done and done and done.

Yeah. And I think that like it's also going to. What I love about it is it's just real comedy on Broadway. And I've said this. It always sticks out to me. It's happening more and more. There is more and more real comedy on Broadway. I would cite Kimberly Akimbo as an example.

I haven't seen Shucked yet. People are fucking waving about Shucked. I can't wait for Shucked. I'm cite Kimberly Akimbo as an example. I haven't seen Shucked yet. People are fucking waving about Shucked. I can't wait for Shucked. I'm waiting for the right day. I'm loving laughing and I'm loving sitting. Yes!

For the Broadway lately. And please can I bring in the guest because this guest is on fire! And her name is Darcy Gordon! Ding dong. Wow.

Look who's back in the house. I believe it was RuPaul who once said it. Look who's back in the house. After almost two years to the day. Wait, what? Oh, my God. It was like a week or two ago. She sent us the photo of us two years ago in the LA studio with the glass separators.

That's wild. I think that it always feels like it was 15 minutes ago in the best way. I do too. You know what I mean? I guess I was there for the songs. You popped in to be a special guest on our songs episode. Oh, no, but even before that, you came in for an episode where you were the solo guest. Yes, yes.

But that was, yeah, that was the two years ago. Uh-huh. But the last year was the songs. Yes. The songs. Oh, my God. I officially, I think of the way that episode occupies time and space for me is when you threw the, what was it, like a kumquat?

You threw a kumquat or like a tangerine in the air and caught it in orange. It could have been as simple as orange. Oh, my God. I remember this. Yes. And I remember, that's the way it started. And I was just like, wow, we are off to the races. A fruit is in the air.

A fruit is absolutely sailing through the air. You be throwing food. I do be throwing food. I'm looking around for food. I'm seeing nothing. Don't touch my diet. Do you throw food in the play? I can't remember. You throw another thing. I don't want to spoil it. One night I threw a grape

in the air to catch it in my mouth and then I was like, that's hack. Did you catch it in your mouth? I don't think that's hack. You don't think so? I think that the character would do that. This is a huge discussion. If throwing food in the air and catching it in your mouth is hack, this is one of the cultural topics we have not yet reached. But it felt like, I was like, this is me asking the audience to laugh. They will laugh at this, which felt a little hack. I don't know how to explain it. It's not hack because you know why? It's high risk, high reward.

Okay, great, great, great. Hack is low risk, high reward. Or not even high reward. Low risk, low reward. Okay, I'll try it. I'll try it on Tuesday at 7 p.m. This is, I'm thinking what might be a fresh take on the I threw up food. Give me, give me, give me, give me, I'm going to use it.

This is, I think, what it would be good. Okay. If you threw a food cutter in your mouth and then acted shocked that you did it. Oh, that's fun. Oh my God, wait. I've never done that before. Like, just fully emphasize. You just stop to play. Stop to play. And then be like, wait, wait, wait, stop. Did you guys do that? I've never done that before.

I want to do that. I swear to God, I want to do that so bad. I know, just take it left. Yes, yes. Look in the eyes. They would go. I bet they would. They would go with me. They would go with me. It is the definition of what like the larger community would call a fun group with me. They would go with me. It is the definition of what like the larger community would call a fun group on stage.

You know what I mean? That's why you go see theater. I know. Don't you love theater? I love it. Don't you love it? I do. Sorry.

It's bad. I peaked. I love it. I love it. What is it like doing it? It's so fun. You guys, you gotta do it.

Okay. Don't you miss it? I actually want to very badly. Yeah, I know. I know. That's been something that maybe I don't know why I resisted doing it. Or maybe I felt like I couldn't do it. I know what you mean.

You know what I mean? Totally. Did you ever feel like that in the process of like approaching it? Like because we come from like a comedy background and yes, we like booked in film and television and stuff, but it does feel weird. Like all of a sudden it's Broadway. It's Katie Finneran. You're like, am I allowed to do this?

I really, I really did. I sat down with Rachel Chavkin, genius director and I really had before you know sort of like saying the day after I'd read the play like I we it wasn't a done deal yet and I really was like I wasn't asking her to like hype me up or anything but I was like why do you think I can do this like you have no totally that's I would ask the same thing. It's like something that I have training in and did so long ago and I know I can do it somewhere deep down but for 15

years I have not done a play. And I know we've all done so much stage work and live stuff but doing a play and doing a month of rehearsals and it's a different thing. And it's deep in us. And by the way, you can and will do it and it will be so fun. But it's a different thing. And it's deep in us. And by the way, you can and will do it and it will be so fun.

But it is a different process. It's totally, like, I think something that struck me and you guys will get this, like, as comedy people

is having to do, well, let's see. It's continuous. Yeah. That's the thing that I think I take for granted because you're not,

like, breaking it into smaller. Yes. That is so fun about it I know I know this is something that like you would do

for your Christmas show like you find bits and you repeat them every night but as improvisers and also just as like doing comedy on TV where it's take after take and it's try something new

try something new oh well this would be for Saturday night no it's but SNL it's like you have to like abandon it as soon as it's done

adapting to different things all the time where it's like you have to like abandon it as soon as it's done. Adapting to different things all the time. It's literally living, breathing. Yes. By the way, if you find a funny thing in week one of rehearsal, and the producer and the director and the playwright, whoever's there, they laugh. They want you to do it again in the next run through. And it feels like

sacrilegious. Sacre bleu. It can feel sacrebleu at times. Sacrebleu. Yeah. And so that was something I really struggled with and had to have

a heart-to-heart with the cast and director. That's great. To be like, I, everything in me, if you guys laugh at me, if I do something

and you laugh, in my brain I go, try something. I can't do it again. Exactly. Oh, oh, oh. Does that make sense? Yeah, I didn't explain it well. I can't do it again. Exactly. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Does that make sense? Yeah, I didn't explain it well.

I can't do it again. Got it. To do it again would be like breaking the rules. Because as you, as the listeners know, if you've done any comedy or improv or anything to like do a funny thing twice, that's not allowed. Yeah. It's not only not allowed. To repeat it, I should say.

To repeat the thing. But to repeat it is also, we might think as comedy trained people, it's not allowed. But it's also, I think, I truly believe, so difficult. Right. Totally. To do it again and like get the, it's, you're probably not going to get the same laugh. Oh my God. It is bringing me back.

Come with me. Come with me. It is bringing me the hell back too. High school, maybe I was a junior or something like that. I hosted, emceed the dance, the girls dance, the girls dance show, okay? Represent this person who hosted their High School Talent Show now, yes. You see me?

I was you, cool. Yeah, of course. So I'm emceeing it and one, there's two shows tonight, one night, oh, let's say a Wednesday and let's say a Thursday. I love it, I see it, I feel it. You see it, you feel it. It's not the weekend. It's not going to be the weekend. No, no, no, no, no.

And something happened on stage. And when it was my turn to do my little emceeing, guys, I improvised something and it absolutely killed. Just destroyed. Some little off the cuff thing. Wow. And it killed. Now, did I try it again the next night?

I did. How did it go for you? I almost feel like I've told you guys this before. No, I don't think I've heard this. It went so badly that some boy in the audience went, boo. No. Was it an audacious line? Do you remember what it was?

I kind of do. It was something about the song they were dancing to. And even this will really hit home, you guys. The song these girls were dancing to was Bad to the Bone. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, my God. I thought you were going to say, I knew you were going to say that. What?

Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I have never seen him react to something like that. Oh, my God. Their ears are bleeding in the booth. I'm sorry. I don't know.

I need to finish this story. No, please. Okay, really quickly. You just felt it? Or have I told you the story? No, because I literally did a show my freshman year of high school

called Dance Showcase. It was directed by Miss Wood, this person who I still think about who, you know. Miss Wood! She's a character on the pod. She's a character on the pod. And I have,

look, we try to humanize her and sympathize her, but she also was like bad, bad, bad. Bad, bad, bad. Yeah, we hate her. Scarred, scarred, scarred. Anti-hero down. Anti-hero down. Is she dead was like... Bad, bad, bad. Bad, bad, bad. Yeah, we hate her. Scarred, scarred, scarred me. Anti-hero down.

Anti-hero down. Is she dead? But she did... We did Dance Showcase. The song that we did was Bad to the Bone. Come on! And that was one of my first moments of some of the guys were rockers. It was the rockers versus the nerds, and we were trying to seduce the girls, and I was one of the nerds, and then I kind of like really took big

swings physically in my choreo. And then it was hearing one of the deans after the show turn to Miss Wood and go, I mean, Bowen really stole the show. Okay. And Miss Wood making a face that was like. Pissed about it. Pissed about it. Like I was pulling focus.

I was like being too hammy. I was being too hammy. So I have a very, I'm so sorry. Wait, no, no. Don't call this for one second. That explains the emotional response to that to the bone. I'm so sorry. That was wild.

That made me so happy. It almost was like he was having, it was almost as if something bad was happening inside his body. No, no, no, no, no. It was euphoric. It was euphoria what we've seen. Well, you were building up to the song that these girls danced to was, and I was going to say,

Bats of the Bone. She was like, and you would be like, well, of course she's not going to say that. That's my memory. Now, please finish this story. I didn't think I could feel more connected to you. God damn it.

That was really a joy to watch and listen to and receive. It was really wonderful. Oh, I love it. Now, you know, I've listened to, I would say, 90% of this entire podcast. How have I not heard about Miss Green before? She comes up once every two years. As a figure in Bowen's past who did not encourage him. In fact, it feels like

maybe even worked against him in high school to ensure that he did not fulfill theatrical stardom. And it does stick with you. I have one of those. It's sad how it sticks with you. Mine's dead. And we dance on her grave tonight.

He's even. I'm so happy it's a tonight. His even. His even. I'm so happy it's a him. I know. Me too, me too, me too. I hate that Miss Wood is a stop. I know, I wish Miss Wood was a man. It's okay, it's okay.

Because it's hard for women. Yeah, exactly. Miss Wood, fuck her. No, honestly, fuck her. She was jealous of you, and right now she's choking on her own bile. No, I just, but I also like- In Hades. I also feel i also feel

for her yeah no but i mean imagine being a full-grown woman who starts in with a kid like something's going on sister i don't like that it's nice of you to feel for her but we don't feel for her okay okay what is your bad to the bone story i'm so sorry there's nothing to it other than like the dance team was all girls and it was all like hot girls yeah and they were all wearing like red bandanas around their head and like leather vests. And they were doing like modern choreo. And one of them was especially tiny. Like she was just like a wee little thing. And I said something about her.

Yes, her name was Stacey Ray. Hope you're listening. That name actually has star quality. I know. It's like Britney Spears. Yes. Stacey Ray. It is.

It's the same name. And I said something when it, I keep saying cut back to me, when it came back to me, when the spotlight hit me. Because you see yourself in film now. When it cut back to me. When it cut back to me, I said something about, I wish I could remember the exact thing, but something about like, yes, you know, like bad to the bone, Stacey Ray really scared us.

Something, something, something about her being tough, which by the way, like, poor Stacey Ray. But I mean, whatever. That's not bad enough to get a boo. No, it just was that it was off the cuff. I hate the phrase off the cuff. You do? Why? It feels like somebody's grandpa. Off the cuff.

I like it. I like taking it back. I feel like off the cuff. It's kind of funny. Just like throw it away. Yeah, just like off the cuff. Just like say it off the cuff. Exactly, just like off the cuff. feel like off the cuff. It's kind of funny. Just like throw it away. Yeah. Just like off the cuff. Just like say it off the cuff. Just like off the cuff.

Just say off the cuff. Because it's the self-awareness about that it's grandfatherly. There's a better version of off the cuff. Which is? Apropos of nothing. Okay.

Sacre bleu. Sacre bleu. Like shoot from the hip. Shooting from long hip. But it doesn't quite mean the same thing. No, I think it's, well, not no.

Not no. It's like I'm shooting from the hip here. I'm just like, I'm not even thinking about what I'm doing. I'm shooting from the hip. I'm shooting from the hip. It's a little like, I'm not even thinking about what I'm doing. I'm shooting from the hip. Yeah, yeah, I'm shooting from the hip.

It's a little different. I know what else is really good. We've been talking a lot on the podcast about, like, what it's fun to, like, phraseologically say nowadays. Ashun. Ashun. We've ashun sort of boundaries and borders, and this is the episode where we're going to push them.

Wait, and I just had it, and now I forgot it. It's okay. It's a good combat. I got lost in that word zoo. Okay. But there's something that is good to just throw out there and say. In an off-the-cuff sort of way? In an off-the-cuff sort of way.

Yes, yes, yes. Okay, long story. Oh, six of one. Thank you. What's six of one? Six of one half dozen. It is a good phrase. I mean, it's basically saying like, it's the same thing.

It's just a little different. You know what? I hear what you're saying. It feels like it's six of one. If we go like here for dinner or there, they're the same. Oh, I love that phrase. They're the same distance away from the venue.

I've never said it right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And now we found it. Can you imagine if I hadn't found it? Thank you for doing that. Just me drowning, trying to get to the surface.

Now that's a hard word. Drowning? Yes. Because tell me you don't want to put a D at the end of that. Drowning. Drowning. Oh my God.

Oh my God. He drowned. Drowned in. Drowned in. Yeah. Oh my God. No one said that. Drowned in. Oh my God. Oh my God. He drowned. Drowned in. Drowned in. Yeah, oh my God. No one said that. I never thought of that.

Drowned in. This is the episode that pushes boundaries. We're talking about things. We've eschewed what a podcast has to be. Yeah. Another thing we've been saying. Eschew. Eschew.

Another thing we've been saying is a podcast is really a talk-based thing. That's true. So who says that talking needs to fit in the box of this is what the podcast usually does? It can just be talking and it still qualifies as a podcast episode. Yes. And an hour from now, this is going to be any old podcast. Oh, I see

what you're saying. Okay, you guys, I'm going to finish this story. No, no, no. It's not even a story. I just have to put a button on it, which is it wasn't that it was a great joke. It just got a good laugh. So the next night, I was like that got a good laugh. Watch me absolutely destroy on this little off the cuff thing. I pushed it too hard. Like I really set it up. Right. Yeah. You know, like that's the bone. Well, Stacey Ray, you know, like that type of thing. The audience was silent except for one lone football boy saying boo. And I went into my car afterwards, my little Toyota Cressida.

Thank you, Grandma Nita, for giving it to me. Sorry. And I cried. And it was a good, I learned from it. It's good that you cried. Yeah. Because you needed to cry. Truly.

From that experience, you needed to go. And I have to tell you, and I feel comfortable saying this to you now at the time you were not an experienced performer exactly no it was you needed to gain that experience and get that edge to be on Broadway I'm telling you

when you're in when you're in by the way what? the way that you just jumped and like became aware of your own tits flying in the sky

I bounced and felt my body it's a wild thing to have bodies moving. We're all just little kids, right? I mean, sometimes Okay, yes, I mean, absolutely. Are you asking me do I wave my penis in the air sometimes when I'm by myself? Yes, it happens a lot. It's the same body we had when we were just six.

I know, and like, this is so weird, but remember in the Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake, Andy Samberg video when they go, to impress a chick, helicopter dick. I love that. Oh my god. And they just shake their penises in the air and Lady Gaga's head is spinning like this. That's actually classic comedy.

That is! I dare you to be alone in your house and put that on and not helicopter dick. Oh my god. I dare you. I would love to helicopter dick. Well, you just boobies. Helicopter titties. I know. But that's not helicopter. That's different. Yeah, you just... You just boobies. Helicopter titties. I know. But that's not a helicopter. That's different.

Yeah, that's just like wom-ba-da-wom-ba-da-wom-ba-ba. I want to just... That's Tom's last name on Succession. Wom-ba-da-wom-ba-da-wom-ba-ba. Did you watch last night? We watched.

I watched. So good. You watched? God damn it. Yeah. Give her the Emmy. Give them both. Give them both.

I'm sure they both win. You know she moved to lead. Good. I actually... Listen, I'm going to tell... This isn't that important. Wait them both. Give them both. I'm sure they both win. You know she moved to lead. Good. I actually, listen, I'm going to tell, this isn't that important. Wait, I do that too much. No, what do you mean?

I texted Jason last night who's in LA, husband Jason, and I'm in New York. Love Jason. I know, I do too. And he hadn't watched Succession yet and I said, you got to watch it.

And then, oh, I'm looking through my text. I'm looking through my text. I was basically like, don't text me while you're watching it. You need to watch it all in one yeah yeah yeah I said to him

I actually hate it when people say this but give them both the Emmy now I hate saying that too wait no I just said I actually hate when Bo and Yang said

that's not what I mean no no no no I just mean like it's so overused to say like give them the Emmy but give but literally give it to them that scene

that's when I I turned to Josh Sharp while I'm telling it. This entire season. It is like they, the two of them were like, let's do something crazy

this season. That's what it feels like. They were like, this is our last season. Let's show them what we got. I literally, I'm not even sure

that this episode is their submission. No, I know. I literally couldn't decide between what is the most exemplary episode of their work. Her. No, I know. I literally couldn't decide between what is the most exemplary episode of their work.

Her first episode of this season was insane. Oh, the end of ep one? Yes. And she was unbelievable in the third episode when he passes.

God damn. It was the right move for her to move to lead to. She was the lead actress of the show. And I always just think, you know, if you occupy a space like that,

like, just campaign that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I you occupy a space like that, like, just campaign that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't like the category fraud. Right, right. It bothers me. In a way where I care. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It rolls my eyes. It's a political thing in a political system which is the Emmys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But goddamn. But I literally said the same thing to Josh last night.

I turned to Josh. Josh Sharp. Josh Sharp. And I never say shit like this, but I literally was like, and I kind of zeroed in on Sarah because we're obsessed. Yeah, we're obsessed. Homosexual. Yeah. Homosexual. But I turned to Josh and I was like, like this but I literally was like and I kind of zeroed in on Sarah because I we're obsessed we're obsessed

homosexual but I turned to Josh and I was like give her the fucking year yeah it's just you cannot beat it god damn

it was like a Kramer vs Kramer thing where like it was restrained it's so confident well she's here's the thing the reason why her breaking now in the fourth season

and like her having these little outbursts is hitting as hard is because she has been a model of restraint yeah she has been it's been so important to that character to appear unbothered yes and now it's just like she's so desperate and so unhinged i love it like no that's why it's hitting is because this is really their first fight ever like yes and that it's giving mad men it's like when something has been built up

and you just know the characters so well now when they finally have it it feels like water shit and of course it is because the fucking show is almost over

and they literally you know they actually said like are we gonna do this right now like as if that's what we're feeling they eschewed caring they eschewed it

they eschewed it I will say, Tom, going back to the party being like, everybody go home. Like, that was amazing.

Yeah. But a small moment of like, whoa. God, he's good. He's great. Mr. Darcy asks. Oh my God,

wow, I never made that connection. You did not. You did not. Him, Colin, Matt Rogers. On a second.

Matt's unbelievable. You've never, you've never realized? Is this when you realized culture was for you? Can I? And can I say something? Recently, I got dragged for coming on this podcast by literally one person, which I shouldn't care about. But I said that I didn't know who the Chemical Brothers were.

Oh, that wasn't a drag. And they were like, he doesn't know culture. Get real. But now in this moment when I'm realizing that Matthew McFadden wasn't from Pride and Prejudice, maybe I don't know culture. In the words of Joni Mitchell, at all. And then I earned a background there. You know what? Yeah, you did.

That's just about him. That's not about you. That's showing what a good actor he is and how different his hair is. I am really shook. I'm really shook. He looks different in like a coat, in a waistcoat. Yes. You know what I mean? The hair and the voice. Come on. Give yourself that grace, baby. I'm really shook. He looks different in like a coat, in a waistcoat. You know what I mean? And the hair and the voice.

Come on, give yourself that grace, baby. Don't you dare. But now I'm like really standing. Don't you chemical brothers. Don't you chemical brothers. Oh my God, he's amazing. And there was a little bit of Twitter talk that maybe two episodes ago, maybe one episode ago, where they were talking on the stairs

and he was like telling her about the first time they met. Does this sound familiar? And it was almost like a romantic moment. And there was a lot of like, Tom is Mr. Darcy in this moment. Oh, yes, of course. I mean, even in this, I should have known it in this episode, in that scene, because he's so declarative. And there was something like, there was something romantic about the anger. Yeah.

You know what I mean? He's like, I really believed he genuinely cared and was letting himself free in that moment. Like, him realizing that like, it's in the statement

like, are we actually going to do this? Yes. Are we going to end it? Because if we actually say the truth, it has to end.

It is done. Oh my God. And then when she's like, I don't care. I actually don't care. Oh my God. This show. Damn.

I miss it. It's damn. You know, it's so damn. It's beyond good's damn. No, it's so damn. It's beyond good to damn. Yeah, it's so damn. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

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Okay, good, good, good. Is it giving open-ended run or is it limited? It's limited run. T good, good, good. I like to flip it. Is it giving open-ended run or is it limited? It's limited run. Okay. TTP, the Thanksgiving play. There was a while where people were calling it the TGP. Huh. Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving. TGP. Like, thanks and giving were two different words. But then also the good place and I was getting confused. I was getting very confused. Damn letters. Damn letters. Make more letters.

Thank you, consonants. Thank you. Constance Wu. Constance Wu. Thank you, letters. Thank you, Constance. Thank you. Constance Wu. Constance Wu. Thank you, Wu. Thank you, Constance Wu. Thank you, Constance Wu. Actually, Roller Culture number eight.

Thank you, Constance Wu. Thank you, Constance Wu. Let me correct myself. I was just genuinely thanking her. I forgot. Rule eight is thank you, Constance Wu. But rule 78 is thank you Constance. Woo.

Thank you for the correction. It is a limited run. It closes June 11th. June 11th. Yeah. I do like a limited run. Are you going to be in town? Are you going to stay in town

for a little bit or no? You know what's funny? June 17th. Is that the day? That's the day. That is a reason for me to stay. Okay. Perfect.

Yeah. I really want, I mean, I missed last year. What you missed is That was heartbreaking. One of the funnest nights of my Yeah. I really want, I mean, I missed last year. What you missed is heartbreaking. That was one of the funnest nights of my life. I could almost not, I mean, I gobbled up every possible video I could see of it, but it was almost hard to watch.

Of course. Of course. It looked so fun. Listeners, readers, Katie's, you know, I've never, can I admit something? Yeah. That you've never identified really as one of them? No. Now of the four, do you identify?

Okay. You talked about this maybe last week. Reader, Katie, publicist, finalist. Reader, Katie, the houses of Lost Gulch. And everyone, I do want to say, keep an eye on merchandising for Lost Gulch. Oh, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. Because you may be able to publicly identify as one of these Lost Gulch houses very soon. And it better be before June 17th.

When you said this on the pod, I was like, oh, I guess that's what I am. But I kind of can't remember. So give me a guess. Reader. I feel like you're a reader. I think you're a reader. I think I am. I'm a reader.

Because you've been around for a while in terms of like... I'm a reader. Do you feel, and this is not to say anything means more than anything else, but in terms of your media diet, do we fit in in a consistent way?

Yeah. Okay, then you're a reader, I think. And we have for a long time. But you're not listening to the pod like, yes. You're listening to the pod like, mm-hmm. But were you about to say that you've never identified as a reader? I was going to say I've never identified as a Katie. And let me tell you why.

That's okay. In a similar way, let me take it back again to my childhood in a similar way to me being sick the week that my elementary school class, whatever this was, fourth grade or something, learned about the planets. And I never learned the planets. I missed the episode where you guys talked about Katie. So I never got I get it, but I don't get it. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. I don't know planets.

I don't know Katie's. And that same thing. It's the same thing. I don't know planets, I don't know Katie's, and that is a rule of culture number 117. I don't know planets, and I don't know Katie's. Am I allowed to do that? Yes, of course. I think there's going to be Katie's that are going to feel disappointed that you're not among them, but you've always, if I place

the lost coach hat on your head, it's giving reader to me. Great, that's what I am. I will say Katie's have this going for them, which is when we introduced Katie's, it was a very controversial thing. Yeah. Because some people felt

like it was offensive. Not everyone identified as Katie. So for people who do identify as Katie's, I think that is extremely noble because you are going against like other people being like, oh, that's not a good.

It's like, it's like someone forgive us forgive us it's giving Gryffindor Slytherin is it? it's giving Slytherin you were going to say

something much more controversial than that you think Katie's are giving Slytherin I think Katie's are giving Hufflepuff as someone who actually is a Katie

I'm a Katie I was literally going to say I never said that before before I like stopped myself I was like it's giving

and I was like I'm sorry to compare this to Hogwarts but it's Hufflepuff where it's like it's the sort of weird one out of the four that people feel a little sort of uneasy about. But I think Katie is hugely important. I am a Katie.

And I've never said that before. I've never publicly identified. But I am a Katie. And that's something that's like really important to me. You guys, Matt is sobbing right now. And you're a reader. I'm your reader. I think I'm a publicist. You think of yourself as abing right now. And you're a reader. I'm your reader. I think I'm a publicist.

You think of yourself as a publicist? I think I'm a publicist. I think that that really works. Reader, Katie, publicist, and finalist. Oh, but you guys actually literally called me a finalist. We called you, but Darcy is a finalist. And Melanie Linsky called me a finalist too. Dassey Cadden.

It's actually different. You know what I did? I screen recorded that little chunk and I sent it to my sisters. Dassey Cadden. Dassey Cadden. Yeah, I really like it. She did call you a finalist. I felt what I did? I screen recorded that little chunk and I sent it to my sisters. I really like it. She did call you a finalist. I felt like I was you. In that moment when she said it, I felt like I was Darcy.

And she was like, oh my gosh, the way she said Darcy Carter it electrified. Okay, wait, I'm looking to see if I have it. Wow, my sisters talk a lot. It's a new term. Okay, great. No, it's a brand new term but I listen I heard it

I heard you talking about it let's talk about let's talk about yeah I know that Darcy Cotter yes amazing amazing

Darcy Cotter I could listen to her I love her I really love her she's really good she was great on the show too she's like

she's so like easy to talk to she's such a deeply really really nice person let alone on this show too she's like she's so like easy to talk to she's such a deeply really really nice person let alone insanely talented

but just so welcoming and warm and lovely and she's like somebody I want to know for the rest of my life she also like

uses her platform in a way that I think is so cool she's constantly highlighting other people saying this person's giving a great performance she did a whole post

on John Reynolds the other day. I saw that. And that was so sweet. So cool. Yeah, she's rad. Yeah. She's rad. Damn.

And also taste. Yeah, taste. The taste. Darcy is a finalist reader, sort of hybrid. I think Melanie is the textbook finalist. Yes. Yes. Came already prepackaged culturally iconic.

You know what I mean? That's a finalist behavior. Yes, finalist. already pre-packaged culturally iconic. You know what I mean? That's a finalist behavior. Yes, finalist. We sought her out. Like Parvati from Survivor was a finalist because we found her in the culture and then we said we have to find her and bring her in. Totally, that's a finalist.

That's a finalist. Who I'm working on right now. You want to say it? Who am I working on? Who I'm working on. Who I'm working on. Who I really want to get on. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're trying to nail down Andy Cohen to come on right now. You want to say it? Who am I working on? Who I'm working on. Who I really want to get on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're trying to nail down Andy. Come on, Las Coteras. Wait, I want to talk about this. Why? Because I'm curious. I just said, I don't want to talk about this. And I was like,

oh my God. Shut it down. I literally thought you just, because your arms are folded. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I thought you were sitting here with your arms folded and looked to the ground

and said, I don't want to talk about this. I guess what I want to talk about is you guys have really good chemistry. Me and Andy? But the journey is, talk about the journey. Okay, I can be transparent about this and who knows, maybe I'll even bring it up on the app. But now I feel like I have to know that I said that. Okay, sorry.

Which is our relationship did start via flirting. Yes. Great. On DM. I knew it. And then it quickly changed when I went on the show. I don't know why, but it just kind of was just like, oh, now he's like a friend. I weirdly think of him as like my boss when I go there. Oh, funny. Yeah. I really like, I feel like when I go there,

I report for work. Yes, totally. And I feel like he gets that and is entertained by what I do. So like the flirty DM of it all stopped. Unfortunately, I still think that's hot. And I know that's not. Or he doesn't think I do. I know we're not supposed to think that anymore. I mean, here's the thing. We can think that. We can think that. We need a little room in the culture for a little flirtation. We do.

Yeah, okay. Okay. I think I should not have said that. No, you can. No, it's good. I just realized. I'm having a transparent year, I think. Cool.

That's amazing. That's cool. You know what I just learned about? Give me. Inhibitory systems and excitatory systems sexually. Okay. So there's like these models. Okay, wait, hold on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm wide open. I'm gaping. I'm gaping. I'm absolutely gaping. The models for sex have been like in terms of stages up until like the 90s. But like back in the day, it was like it would be like arousal, plateau, orgasm. And then like after that, it would be, oh, it starts with an R, but it's like sort of regressive. Let's just say regressive.

OK. And then like these like psychologists like reduced it to three things, three stages, which is they didn't account for desire in the first model. Right. So they go, it's desire, arousal, orgasm, and that's it. That's what sex is. But now, not now, but since the 90s, I think people are adopting this sexual excitement versus sexual

inhibition, and I feel like my fucking damage, not to get super real, but I always talk myself out of a sexy situation or a flirty situation. I'm like, no, I can't do it. Immediately, I tell myself, like like Matt and I will see a hot guy in the street. Matt will be like, look at that guy. I'll be like, oh, um, yeah, but no, it wouldn't happen.

Or it's just, there's, there are all these reasons why it shouldn't and wouldn't happen. Yeah. And like. You ask yourself why? Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And it's all about like insecurities and stuff like that.

But it's like, I'm finally getting, it's like rather than thinking about it in stages, it's just between like two like brain processes that like work in tandem. So it's not even stages. It's just two things that are working at once. And that's all that matters. It's not even like orgasm centered anymore. Like sex can be anything. The orgasm doesn't have to be a part of it. And so I'm going like, wow. And it's actually kind of interesting. And I'm kind of like, ah, this is making sex better for me. Oh, good. Like it's opening something up. If I'm like, I should just make it about things that excite me. Right, right, right, right, right.

And not think about the things that are like inhibiting. Yes. Anyway. No, that's so interesting. God. Isn't that fun? Yeah. It kind of like, it breaks something open with me.

Wait, that's actually gigantic. Yeah. Yeah. How did you discover that? I know. It was a video. It was a video. It was a video.

Was it on YouTube.com? It's on YouTube.com. It's like this channel called like Big Think where they bring in like experts to like talk about like why like, you know, we need a substitute for religion or else like society is going to collapse. And they're really smart. And they're really smart. I love smart.

I love smart too. Oh my God. I love smart. I love smart. No, you're so smart. No, I mean even you sharing that was so illuminating and emotionally intelligent. And I was, that's why I asked, like, did it come from somewhere? Because I feel like my thing is I don't think I could arrive at that.

Me too, Matt. You just put it so simply in a way where it's just like, it's as simple as like a decolonization. But it's like. So you shift your whole mindset. Because if I am like having sex with someone, I do think of it in terms of like, okay, first it's this, then it's this, then it's this, then it's this. But instead it should just be like, what's fun right now? Yeah, exactly. What do I want? You know what it weirdly is? I know we just mentioned

poverty, but it's like scarcity mindset is keeping you from like not having sex because you are fixated on these other things that have weirdly, they ultimately like end up having value to us, which are our negative thoughts. You know what I mean? It's like, well, I know I have this thing to go back to. I know I have my escape route out of this.

But then it is like, and I do think that because spring has sprung, these come to the fore. Yes. Like, there is this opportunity now to, like, change the thinking around that because we're all feeling horny again. Wait, how did we talk about this? Oh, about Andy. Yes, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Beep, beep, beep. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. we talk about this? Oh, about Andy. Yes, okay.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Beep, beep, beep. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. So we need to get Andy on the pod, which is like, that's not even hard. I'm sure he would be so happy to. I think we're probably doing it soon. Tomorrow.

Yeah, honestly. Right after this. He's actually coming in. Oh my God, I can't wait to see him. Okay, I did want to text him though because I was listening to Radio Andy and I was watching Watch What Happens Live last week and you know who I realized would be an incredible

housewife and I'm going to pitch this to him live. Sunny Hostin from The View would be an incredible New York housewife. Yeah, but I think she would think that she's like above it and that is exactly why she'd be. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I don't know though because then you get like when you bring Bethany back

she thinks she's above the show and she's not. But does that work? I don't think it does. I don't think it works. Do you know, and this is why I think Sonny would be perfect. Do you know about what happened when Sonny Hostin and Bethany Frankel were sharing space in the Hamptons? No. Like, they both had neighboring beach houses.

Okay, wait, wait, wait. Wait, maybe I do and only would know it from this podcast if you've said it before. I think we, have we talked about this? So, basically, what happened was that they were talking about the housewives on The View and Meghan McCain was like obsessed with the housewives and she brought up Bethany and Sonny apropos of nothing

whips out this. She wasn't very nice to my kids. Oh yes yes yes that's so good. And then Meghan starts to ah ah ah ah and then Sonny in the shadiest tone is just like yeah my kids were playing on the beach and she came out and screamed at them to stop making noise. And she screamed at my kids and then went back in our house. So my kids told me that.

And I walked over there, and I knocked on the door. And she answered, and I said, if you have a problem with my kids, you take it up with me, the adult. You do not yell at my children. And Bethany went on Watch What what happened live and in response said sunny has a drug maybe she is on drugs oh my god drunk wow and literally it was so petty i can't even explain just like how the way that sunny wanted to get messy in that moment because she felt righteous. These are the qualities we need on television. Because she's truly smart.

She's truly stylish. We hung out with her in the Bahamas. She was fun. She'll have a cocktail. She'll have a cocktail. She was doing something on the plane that was like Joy Behar had her feet up. Oh, my God. I can't believe you were saying this. I love this already. I think it's okay to talk about that. I think I don't know that you guys were on the plane that was like, Joy Behar had her feet up. Oh, my God. I can't believe you were saying this.

Okay, hold on. I love this already. I think it's okay to talk about that. I think I don't know that you guys were on a plane with them. We were on a plane with all of them. Private? Well, I mean, no, not private. We were coming back from the Bahamas because we did an episode of The View.

I remember this, yeah. And we sat right behind. We were literally on a, wasn't Whoopi on the flight too? No, I don't think Whoopi was there. We were on the flight with, I believe it was. I think you'd remember. Yeah, we would remember. I totally.

If she can drive, she can drive. Roller skates. Oh, well, I guess from the Bahamas you can too. Well, there's a long bridge. There's a long boat. Is there? No. Oh, my God.

There's a boat you can get on that doesn't move at all. You just walk across the boat. I love smart. And I'm like, is there a bridge from the Bahamas? I mean, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Come on. Wait, I'll tell you something smart. Go, go, go.

This is a little chunk and then go right back to what you were saying. You guys said Terminal 5 is where you're seeing Luna tonight. I discovered this yesterday. Up until yesterday, I hadn't thought about it much, but when people said they were seeing something at Terminal 5, I thought they were going to JFK. And I was like, it's so rad that they just turned the airport into like a concert hall. Well, so much more is happening at Terminal 5 now. I mean, like the concert scene there shifted.

I really want to drive all the way to JFK, but to see Luna, yeah, I would do that. And there's a new magnet. I don't get the people who go to the airport. You haven't been to LaGuardia that much. No, no, no, no. LaGuardia is the nightclub. Oh, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying the people who go to the TWA. Oh, yeah. Who go all the way out to JFK to go hang out at that bar I don't get it either but have you been there I haven't I've seen it I've not walked through

it's cool it's really cool but I am in the same way where I'm like because didn't they have like a premiere there yeah yeah yeah I'll have all these events

having to go all the way or like a wedding or something having to go to JFK to go to an event nar I mean here's what I'm saying if they told me there was an event at LaGuardia

and it was in any way relevant to me, I don't know about JFK. I haven't checked in with her in this regard. Like, I don't know about her nightclub potential. Yeah, yeah, yeah. LaGuardia has massive that girl ability. Nightclub potential through the roof. LaGuardia's that girl,

and we need to start saying it. And it's nominated. LaGuardia is... Okay, I'm looking at Manhattan. LaGuardia's right here. Is that right? If this is Manhattan, LaGuardia's right here? LaGuardia is... Okay, I'm looking at Manhattan. Well, LaGuardia is right here. Is that right? If this is Manhattan, LaGuardia is right here? LaGuardia is just basically north and a little bit west of JFK.

But they're both technically Queens. JFK is the very bottom corner of Queens. Okay. Newark is the one that's just Jersey. Newark is really... You can see it from Chelsea. We don't even need to talk about it. Okay, great, great, great.

But I feel like it's maybe a sleeper, like, quick into the city. Newark? I don't think Newark has any redeeming qualities. If I'm living, like, west, low west, wouldn't it be maybe a quick little Johnson? Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. I don't even care what you're saying. Okay. Oh, my God.

Matt all of a sudden hates me. Matt, come back. Matt. I'm actually leaving. Bye. I just can't deal with, I don't deal with Newark people. Oh, my God. Are you guys Newark people?

Is he Judd Mayer? Yo, yo, yo. Tucker? Tucker? Newark person? No, no, we got no. No, no, no, no, no. Oh my God,

they're all so mad at me right now. LaGuardia till I die. Yes! Oh, interesting. LaGuardia, I'm telling you, that probability of LaGuardia, it's a creative space. It's a creative space.

What are you talking about? The lighting. The lighting is. The signage. Okay. The's a creative space. What are you talking about? The lighting. The signage. Okay. The signage. When I see the sign for the bathrooms, first of all, you want to know a good bit?

Right now. Whenever you're walking by a men's room. Okay, I'm already there. And you're a gay guy. Okay, I'm there. Or women. Okay. You turn to your friend and you go.

So that's where they are. I really am. And then if you can go in and bite your lip, like, wish me luck. That's a really good bit. That's a really good bit that's a really good bit I was doing a Disney world with bones I did a lateral pitch

a lateral six of one six of one the six of one version is so that's where they keep them yeah that's also good that's also good six of one

really good oh my god absolutely six of one six of one and the other thing is half dozen of the other is that that's more syllables

six of one or half dozen six of one or half dozen of another of the other that's That's more syllables. Six of one or half dozen. Six of one or half dozen of another? Of the other? That's like double that. That's so many. Yeah, it's a lot. Six of one. Six of one.

Six of one. Three syllables. Or half a dozen of the other? Six of one or half a dozen. Six of one, half a dozen. Ew. So actually this phrase is not even, it should be the exact same to make the, am I high right now?

It should be the exact same to make it make i high right now it should be exactly the exact same to make it make sense okay i'm not high right now it's the same number it's the same number doesn't but i do think the actual phrase is six of one half dozen six of one half dozen no google i'm telling you i think and this is this i do this all the time where I'm like, no way, it's not. Yes, yes. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Yeah, half a dozen. Six of one, half a dozen. But you're saying it should be like six of one, half dozen. The fact that it's basically saying this is the same thing, isn't it?

It is the same thing, it's the number is six. Yeah, it's six of one, parentheses dozen, it goes unsaid. Half a dozen of the other. So it's basically saying, this is the same thing as this, right? Yes. The fact that there's a preposition actually makes it even more the same thing. With the second part of this,

you get, the word dozen has to be said, and then of the other has to be said. I did take one hit of a joint last night, and I swear to God, I'm still feeling it. Well, you know what I've been doing? Waking baking. Really? I don't know if I've ever done that in my leaf. I think it's not a good sign.

Really? I think it's low-key it's like not probably a good thing. Maybe you should like eat a little, you know, like mushroom gummy or something like that. Wouldn't that maybe like awake you more? I think I'm like I don't know. I feel like We did a lot of substances at Disney. And I'm kind of like

pumping the brakes. Yeah, pump the brakes. Have a Diet Coke. You know what I mean? Wait, we need to talk. You said you needed to talk. So Matt, before we started recording.

Can we just finish the Joy story? Yes. Joy had her bare feet up on the gun. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Darn. Joy was row one. Bare feet.

Put her bare toenail polish beautiful feet up. They look gorgeous. Look gorgeous feet up. She pressed them against the wall. Was her bare toenail polish, beautiful feet up. They look gorgeous. The gorgeous feet up. She pressed them against the wall. Was her second toe longer or shorter? I didn't look. I didn't look at the toes.

I was sort of like, wow, I can't believe they're bare feet. And then, and I say that with all the love in the world, and Sunny was watching Z-Way. Sunny was watching Z-Way. Yeah. Which I contacted Z-Way about. Oh my God, the bare foot. Now I feel like we spied on them. Well, they weren't in a private room.

I mean, they're literally icons. Unless it's Joy and Sunny. I just love, I was soaking in everything. This was the point, was every single thing I see and hear from Sunny Hostin, and I say this as a huge compliment, because what I'm saying is she's dynamic and powerful, and I think the sky's the limit. Being a housewife would give her an army.

She has the right amount of righteousness to succeed on that show. And glamour and all this other stuff. Right, right. Yeah. There was a day where Bowen and I went to The View years ago to see when Kelly Clarkson was on. I still think about that. We were literally, we were sitting in the crowd. Yeah.

And we literally on a commercial break in the crowd and we literally, on a commercial break, screamed in unison, Sunny, you look amazing! And then she goes, and then I will never, and then I hear her say this all the time in my mind. She goes,

thank you. You know, sometimes I don't wear makeup. I don't wear makeup at all. It was like, I don't wear makeup at all. But she was wearing it in the moment.

When I'm not doing the show, I don't even wear makeup. I don't wear makeup at all. So she's kind of like, yeah, I am. I do look amazing. That is. So she's kind of like, yeah, I am. I do look amazing. That is exactly what she's saying. She's like,

you think I look good now? I always look good. That's also the iconic day where there was a dance contest and the party motivator in the crowd or whatever. She's like the warm-up comic. The warm-up comic was like,

what do you think, whoop? And whoopie said, I don't give a fuck about this. Oh, yes. And Sunny was participating. She goes, sorry, I just spit everywhere. Oh, yes. I don't give a fuck about this. And Sunny was participating. She goes, sorry, I just spit everywhere. I ate it.

I put it in my mouth. Sunny was participating and she goes, I liked the woman over there. I thought she was good. You are Sunny. I'm a Sunny impressionist. I don't give a fuck about this.

You are. Well, I read the book. I'm obsessed. I haven't watched The View since ever, and I... Since ever? Well, kind of.

I feel like it would... I know. Have you ever been on? No, I've never been on. What? I know. That's rude Well, kind of. I feel like it would have you ever been on? No, I've never been on. What? I know. That's rude. That's crazy. I know. What am I,

You need to go on for this. Okay. Make it happen. Make it so. Maybe they know I haven't watched but I did

the last time I watched was when I went to the show as an audience member with my friend's mom who was visiting New York and this is like maybe like 17 years ago or something. Who was the friend's mom who was visiting New York. That's so nice. And this is like maybe like

17 years ago or something. Wow, who was the cast? Do you remember who was the cast of The View when you went? I kind of don't remember. 17 years, 2006? Like maybe Rosie?

That might have been Rosie. That might have been Elizabeth. I kind of, I think it was a little bit of like Sherry definitely. A little bit, not like a blackout moment but a little bit like

where you kind of were like I don't really like what is happening right now. I think that there was, yeah. Yeah, I don't like what is happening. But I want to tell you what I did. What? I think similar to what you're talking about, there's like a party warm-up person. And do they have people come on the stage and like dance or something?

Yeah, there was, well, they were doing a dance contest. Maybe back then they had people go, they stand up in the back rows and dance. There was something where like the person person, the warm-up person, asked the audience, like, who wants to come down and do something? And it was a moment where I looked around and nobody was volunteering. So I was like, well, I have to do it then. Oh, Darce. And so I did it.

You felt responsible for the energy in the room. Have you asked yourself why? It's probably something with my dad. I'm just kidding. No, just actually what I mean is he would do the same thing. He's the same. Do you have a memory of going up on stage then? But it's like a blackout memory.

Yeah. It's like a thing of like, I don't want to be doing this. This isn't what my life is. So you don't think you slayed. It's almost like whether I slayed or not. I don't know. I had so many moments early on, especially in my 20s, where I was like, this isn't how it should be. Oh my God. But that's okay. That's part of growing, this isn't how it should be. Oh, my God.

But that's okay. That's part of growing up. I think it's perfectly okay. Yeah, I do too. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Here's to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets out of here alive.

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the worst? I do. Bombing. Bombing. I know. We bombed together and I think it was the worst. It was certainly the worst I've ever bombed. It's the worst I've ever bombed. Is it Grey's Anatomy? Grey's Anatomy Drag. Grey's Anatomy Drag. No, it was Grey's Anatomy Improv it Grey's Anatomy? Grey's Anatomy Drag. Grey's Anatomy Drag. No, no, no. It was Grey's Anatomy Improv.

Grey's Anatomy Improv. Like year. It was Josh and Aaron's show, a gayshow for all people at the duplex. So this isn't so long ago. No, this is like 2000, I want to say. Call it nine.

No, no, no. Like 15. Okay. 14, 14. Oh my God, that's so scary that it was so recent. It's pretty, it's within the last decade.

Within 10 years. Okay. And Josh and Aaron booked me on the show. Yeah. I wasn't really doing anything solo and I got really nervous and then,

thank God for you, Matt. Oh. Because I reach out to Matt and I go, can you please help me out? Can you please do something with me on the show? I have no idea what to do.

I'm panicking. Panicking. Oh my God. I'm so stressed even talking about this. And then Matt was like, yeah, being the best friend that he is, the amazing friend that he is,

said yes. And then we talked out ideas. And then I think we landed on, let's wear scrubs and you wear a blonde wig. I'll wear a black wig, put on lipstick. We'll do Grey's Anatomy improv and drag. This is a great idea.

I play Christina, you play Izzy. No, were you Izzy or were you improv and drag where I play, I play, Christina, you play Izzy. No, were you Izzy or were you Meredith? Well, I think the blonde in the wig was so blonde that we said I was Izzy, but I think spiritually

we really wanted to be Meredith. Christina and Meredith. Okay, that's tough. That was really the blueprint. And it was, it was a full, full nuclear tipped missile in the water.

Fucking shit. Neither of us were having fun for a second while doing it. And literally, we could go up as Grey's Anatomy drag now. And probably it would go okay. You actually should take it back. Because they wouldn't give a shit. You should take it back. But at the time, we were both so scared.

Because we looked up to Josh and Aaron so much. Which is an element of this we're not saying. We're not saying. Which is that at the time, we were terrified that they would think we were not funny. And that their cool audience that was coming to see them at the duplex they would think we were not funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that their cool audience that was coming to see them at the duplex would think that we were not funny. And then we were awful and ran off the stage. And I remember I don't even know if we talked about it.

But, you know, I do remember that they were so nice. Oh, that's so funny. And were you guys, this was like early friendship? This? Of us? No, no, of you and Josh. Oh, we were, I wouldn't have even, like they were friendly. They were friendly, but we weren't even friends yet. Oh my God, this is really sweet of them.

I'm having dinner with them tonight. Tonight? Yeah. Oh my God, my jealousy is. Well, come, but you're, I would, it's like I would go to Muna with you and you would come to dinner with me. So how can we be in two places at once? We'll talk about it because I'm sort of, where are you guys going to dinner?

Say it on the pod for everyone to hear. Like Little Mermaid or something like that. Oh, I love Little Mermaid. Wait, The Mermaid. The Little Mermaid. The Little Mermaid right by here.

It's in the Ville Lodge. Perfect. I love. The West Ville Lodge. The West Ville Lodge. Well, I love that. Right by here. Can you imagine?

Yeah, we're going to dinner in Times Square. You fucking dork. You fucking dork ass. Just kidding. Being on Broadway you do go to dinner and you do have

Times Square all the time so where's your favorite Times Square dinner spot we've been going to Five Napkin Burger a lot oh delicious which is delicious you don't like it

well you have burger every day no no no they have so many great salads they do yeah they do love

we've been going to that's pretty in the news okay but the actual cutest thing that has been happening is okay I'm gonna tell you the name of the cast. You got Katie Finneran.

Oh, who's a legend. A legend. Scott Foley. Legend. I mean, say no more. I mean, these are honestly legends all. Chris Sullivan. Chris Sullivan.

Isn't he the sweetest? Just the best. He's amazing. He's so funny. He's so good. And so funny. And such a range. Oh, yeah.

Like, he's an actor. They're all incredible. Truly, like, I'm really telling you this. These are three like geniuses. They're amazing. And such damn sweeties. I love them. Okay, something that has been happening is on two show days, Wednesdays and Saturdays,

Scott Foley's wife, Marika, who is not only hot as hell, but she's a great actress and a great person. She's so hot. It's crazy. Well, I mean, look at Hux. I know. I know. They're so hot. Not for nothing.

They're so hot. I mean, I saw this show with House, and there was a couple times where I looked at my sister, and I said, do you see them? I know. There's a steamy little change. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Anyway.

So she bakes bread. Get myself together. I know, I know. Adjust your... I'm so horned up. Sexual excitation. I'm horny. Anyway, she makes us lunch. She makes us

lunch. She makes us fresh baked bread. I think I saw you on one of these days because I saw a Saturday matinee. Yes. And we were like, well, I gotta go have lunch all together. We all sit in my dressing room and eat lunch. The four of us. It's really cute. And then we just talk. Talk about the show. We talk about

everything. It's great. It's really great. It's so lovely. It's such a nice time in my life right now. Damn. You seem to have these wonderful casts and bonding stories because from because like shotgun wedding it's like you guys also you i remember you were marco poloing me from the house that's right when you were shooting it you were like yeah we all just like

get together and like each week we like watch someone's movie it's really nice and i was like darcy is like in these perfect oh oh, Ruth is on Tucker's lap. Oh my God, look at Ruth. The most beautiful dog sitting on Tucker's lap. It is not every day you meet a legend.

She's a legend. And see your legends while you still can. I wish, in this moment, in this moment only, I wish that the podcast was a visual medium.

I know, me too. I really wish for you guys at home. I'm going to get a dog. Readers, Hades, publicists, and finalists. You think so? Yeah, what do you think? I think after I leave SNL, I'm going to get a dog. Readers, Hades, publicists, and finalists. You think so? Yeah, what do you think?

I think after I leave SNL, I'm going to get a dog. You think? Scoop ass. So that's huge. I'm going to get a Scoop. I don't know when to at some point leave SNL. Okay, so Bowen is going to leave SNL someday. He just announced that he at some point is going to leave. King Neil's. No, no. I don't know why it's a musical. I'm embargering the story from Deadline and Variety.

Yes, you must. The studio was chilling freak. Studio loving freak. I think that would be really nice for you. I think I need it. And when you look at someone like Ruth. You'd be good. When you look at someone like Ruth, that person over there.

I can't help but be like, I want. When I look at you, Miley Cyrus song. Do you think of yourself as a big dog boy? Well, I'm always like, well, in the city, you got to get something little. I think Bowen could pull off a surprisingly large pet. I do too. I think Ruth is the perfect size. No bigger than Ruth.

No bigger than Ruth. What is Ruth? 80? 60? 70? What's Ruth, Tucker? She's 65. She's a first grader.

Beautiful. It's like CoolSculpting getting a dog. Oh my God, CoolSculpting. The fat just falls right out. You pee it out. What do we think'm 65. Beautiful. It's like CoolSculpting getting a dog. Oh my God, CoolSculpting. The fat just falls right out. You pee it out. What do we think of? Aren't we so scared of CoolSculpting? One of the scariest things ever.

One of the scariest things. And I'm a lord. I'm also like, does it work? And I'm a lord, you said? I'm a lord. A lord. Yes. A-L-U-R-E-D.

A lord. And I am a lord. The words have been such a constant theme on this podcast lately. L-O-R-D-E. Didn't I just text you guys the word Lorde the other day? You did text us Lorde the singer. Why do I keep... Because you were listening to Lorde in your dressing room.

I guess I was. I'm tapping your wrist. I'm sorry. I keep referring to my phone. Listening to Lorde in the dressing room is something people sort of do. I have something called a pre-show playlist that I made for myself. And does it help get you in the character? Yeah, I think it does.

Or is it more for you? More like hyping me up. Like getting my... What's on it? Or no, no, no. I don't mean to make you No, this is good. This is one of those like

I never leave the house without segments. I won't say... What's on my playlist? I can reveal mine. And the emoji with a little smile like this. What's in my playlist?

Side smile. I'm just going to say a couple. I'm going to actually not say everyone. I'm going to like as I scroll and just say. Can I just cue up the segment first?

Yes. This is What's On My Playlist with Darcy Carden. Wink. Okay. I'm just going to read a couple. Knights, Frank Ocean. Silver Lining, Rilo Kylie. Oh.

Falling Water, Maggie Rogers. Oh, great. Desperado, Rihanna. These are like moody. These are like. FTF, SZA. Oh, good. As It Was, Harry Styles. Wow, yeah. Reptilia, The Strokes. Uh-huh. Rihanna these were like moody FTF SZA as it was

Harry Styles Reptilia The Strokes Maps yeah yeah yeah Lemon N.E.R.D. Rihanna Sunflower Post Malone

It's Not Living 1975 Bad Kids Hair The Cure Lady Gaga oh my god Thomas

I'll be the cure one of the great songs a song that she wrote about my relationship with my dog yes I want you wait Tucker

I want you to listen to the song The Cure by Lady Gaga and think of Ruth on every single line and you will weep oh my god

Ruth is so beautiful it really works for dogs The Cure is a big song for us yes because that actually was and I associate you for some reason. The Cure is a big song for us. Yes. Because that actually was, and I associate you for some reason with The Cure. And the reason is,

I'm realizing is because that's the trip we met Darcy when we first went to LA. We stayed in this attic in this Airbnb, listened to it nonstop. Yes. We were obsessed with The Cure. And then it was like the same week we like you came on the pod the first time.

I have great memories of that. I feel like that was so, was that in like Pasadena or something like that? It was. Who can remember? It was in the Valley for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had so much, and not that that was the first time we had met, but that was the first time we had, but like the first time we had spent

time together. Yes. But we had known each other. I know, it's weird. I can remember that so well. I can remember like, we even after the pod was off, we like sat around on the couch and watched like a Reese Witherspoon getting arrested video yeah when she was saying well you're gonna find out who I am this is national

news and I just want to say that like I think that is like a very likable moment for her yes but it tells the story of Reese in a way that's pretty explicit like I think it's a good story I think more highly of her because of that moment oh no I definitely she definitely ascended for me in that moment.

Yes, ascended, good word. Yeah, ascended. So those are cool songs. Thanks, there's others, but, you know, those are just. Those are good. Those are very good. Just a little bit of a pump up, not like through the roof pump up, but just like get my energy going. As I put on my own makeup and do my own hair, which is a fun little thing that you get to do in play.

You do all your own stuff? I do my own stuff. I put on my own eyelashes, everything. I know, it's really fun. Then you get to do in place. You do all your own stuff? I do my own stuff. I put on my own eyelashes, everything. I know. It's really fun. Then you get better and better at it. And also you just like have an hour by yourself alone in your dressing room to sort of like do what you got to do.

Drink a little tea. This is all coming back to me now. When I was in, when I did the punk rock musical version of Marat Saad. This sounds amazing. At NYU Tisch. I came to see that. And I was the Marquis de Saad and Bon Yass did come to see it. And I think he left confused and Tisch. I came to see that. And I was the Marquis de Sade and Bon Yess did come to see it and I think he left confused

and upset. I was mostly confused. Yeah. It was a very experimental... I was the Marquis de Sade and Marat Sade and it was a punk rock musicalized version of it

using the original text. Okay. You darkened your hair for it. I dyed my hair black. And you must. And I was doing my own makeup at the time and I just know it was fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember we all own makeup at the time. And I just know it was fucked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember we all were pretty bad at it to the point where we started leaning in because it looked like we had all of our skin had gone like gangrenous. Oh, no. Because of how much makeup we were putting on. So you started doing it more? Yeah, I mean, I just leaned in. And I also remember I was, of course, at the time in college, like thinking that in order to play a dark character, you had to yourself have a psychotic break. So I was also, like, sort of crying when I was doing my makeup.

Like, really. I don't really remember why I was so upset. Honestly, if I'm being really honest, it may have had something to do with drama at the department because I was a writing student in an acting production. And I remember being like, fuck everyone. Oh, no, that's like, that's your big drama. And I remember I had just seen Black Swan. Oh, yeah. So it was really sort of susceptible in the moment to dying your hair black

and like walking through like New York in the cold and like thinking the camera was behind you as like your hair was askew. I really think at some point every actor has had that. Whether it was when they were 12 or when they were 30 or whatever. I guess I was 21. Yeah, I feel like mine, I probably did it around then too. Yeah, you have your big theatrical breakdown. I did a big hair thing too.

In college, my senior year, I played Sally V. Bowles in Cabaret. You played Sally Bowles? I played Sally Bowles. And guess who was one of my Kit Kat girls? Ruthie Ann Miles. Oh my God. This is so funny.

Isn't that crazy? So you know Ruthie Ann from way back? We went to college together. Yes. Really? I think she was like a freshman when I was a senior.

So she, you know, she should have been Sally Bulls, but she was a freshman. Have you gotten to see Sweeney Todd? We have the same schedule. I haven't gotten to see it yet. Literally the exact same? We have the same.

So that's another reason for me to stay an extra week so I can see Kimberly. I can see Sweeney I haven't gotten to see it yet. Literally the exact same? We have the same. So that's another reason for me to stay an extra week so I can see Kimberly. I can see Sweeney. You really have to see Ruthie Ann and Sweeney. I mean, Ruthie Ann and Sweeney, when she got nominated for the Tony, I was like, thank God. It's just so cool that that role is a Tony-nominated role.

Yeah. And because she is doing the best version of it that I've seen. She's on a truly on another planet. She's so talented. Yeah. Her voice is so full. Yes. And it's like,

especially in a show where like Josh Groban is the lead and like his voice cuts through in such a way. Like her voice also just fills the space. She's incredible.

And she's also scary as shit. You have to see it. What an actor. I can't wait. The other, the MC was Joseph Morales who was like the touring Hamilton in Hamilton.

I know the talent. Did you give maybe this time in such a way? In such a way. But what I did was I, without telling anyone, I went to the salon and had my hair cut into like a little page boy. Yes. Like short bangs. So real, real hair. Let me tell you, my face don't work

with that hairstyle, but I did not give a shit. And when I went to like the costume department slash like, you know, beauty, whatever department,

they were like, we have a wig for you. You did it. Sister, there's wigs. But I was like, no, no, no. I really needed to like feel the character.

I bet you did. I bet it helped. It only could have helped. You know what? Let me tell you something, you guys. I'm just gonna tell you something really yes we're talking theater okay it was gonna be my last play of my college career i wanted to be in cabaret so bad it's my favorite musical i knew there was such a good show i knew there was no way i could possibly be sally but maybe maybe something maybe a KK girl, maybe something, something, something.

Maybe this time. My grandma, Lila. Okay. Hi, Grandma Lila. Hi, Grandma Lila. She's listening. She, in the mail, sent me green nail polish, which is a Sally Bowles staple, and was just like, I think you're going to get this role.

Before I had auditioned. Oh my God. She had a prophecy. She had a vision almost like a prophecy. you're going to get this role. Before I had auditioned. Oh, my God. She had a prophecy. She had a vision almost like a prophecy. She had a vision like a prophecy. And then I got the role, and then I used that green nail polish every damn night. Anyway, this is like one of the best gifts of my entire life. That's really good.

That's a monumental, thoughtful, landmark totem. Totally totem. Damn. Totally totem. That's a title of that. A title of that. But maybe not. Or was there one that was already good?

Yeah, yeah. It was really good. Because I love Totally Totem and I'll tell you why. Alliteration. Ugh, don't you just love alliteration? But Totally Totem. But that's not the shortcut to title. Okay, good call.

No. Yeah, it's not just something flashy. A title that should be whatever captures the episode. I think that we can all agree that we are so grateful that Totally Totem happened, but it is not going to be the title of that. And I think we all, everyone listening, readers, Katie's publicist, finalists, everyone, we can be happy. Smile that it happened. We're smiling.

Smile that it happened. Wait, maybe that's title of that. Smile that it happened. No. Title of that. No. No one doesn't like it. What's that expression? Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. Don't cry because it's over. Don't cry because it happened. Don't cry because it happened. Don't cry because it's over. Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.

Smile because it happened. I like that. Me about all my relationships. Oh, okay. You're smiling really hard. You're smiling really hard. Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.

How are you doing? Oh, I mean. Good. You know what it is? You look really hot. Do you actually think that? Yes. What did I say when you walked into the studio, bitch?

That seems like an... Okay. No, no, no, no. I wasn't like, you look good. I was like, God, you look good. It's nice that you say that because in reverse of Bowen's, you know, thrusting forward into spring in like a positive way, I have been feeling that spring, springing, spring sprunging is daunting to me right now.

Oh, no, I'm right there with you. I'm not going into it with like too much excitement. I'm just aware that like it's, sorry, but yeah. Well, I will say, readers, Katie's publicist, finalist,

these two boys sitting next to me look really fucking hot. Bowen is in a cutoff t-shirt, sweatshirt, Muna, life's so fun, very short, hot shorts. I agree with you. I love short shorts on men.

Please, men, don't be idiots. I have short legs and so it's short shorts on men. Please, men, don't be idiots. I have short legs, and so it's like short on shorts. Who cares? I don't even know what you're talking about. Your legs are so hot. His legs actually deserve to be faint.

No shit. Are you kidding me? I'm sure they have their own website. I'm always bringing them up, and I'm bringing them up constantly, and then I look over at him, and I get the sense that he's not. He doesn't want to talk about it?

He doesn't love that I'm bringing him up, but I feel sometimes you can't ignore them. For example, when we were in Disney World, and he is that person that, for better or worse, he walks way ahead of the group. Because when he decides he wants to go somewhere, he's going. He's on the train.

You have no choice but to assess the leg situation on you. Is legendary. It's legendary. It's famous up there with like JLo and Beyonce. Oh my God. Okay. Bowen Yang is like Cavs. Cavs ass.

The Cavs situation, the leg situation. Cavs ass. We've been calling him a lower body wonder. Yes. We've been saying it's the world wonder.

Kimberly. That's what he said. It's nominated for record of the year. Kimberly. Kimberly Locke, eighth world wonder is nominated for record of the year. We're Aether of Wonders nominated for record of the year

we're singing it live at the awards is that true? yes what just happened to you was akin that was akin to Bowen Yang

realizing that he also had a story about that song earlier oh my god that was a great moment that was a real moment the bad to the bone

reaction that he had was very similar to the one you just had to April Wonder. I like got sucked into a different dimension. Yeah. I really was. But I know we always talk about Bowen's calves, but lest we forget his fucking thighs. I'm saying lower body wonder. Kill me with your thighs.

It's Xenia on a top. I was going to say Xenia on a top. Honestly, it truly squished my brain out. Oh my God god y'all I beg you explode my skull I don't please

people are looking down there as they think I am the woman is begging can you at least answer her please make my skull pop she is begging for you to pop her skull

with dem thighs which qualify as dem thighs I think kill her Darcy ethical rewards I will be squeezing her with my thighs okay great

great great and you can count on that live you can bet on it live bet on it bet on it

bet on it bet on it remember that one no who Zac Efron in the high school musical 2 absolutely don't know it

don't know it don't know an inch of it but I support you you know what song's in my head right now what because you said legendary prism legendary lover Don't know an inch of it. But I support you. You know what song's in my head right now? What? Because you said Legendary Prism.

Legendary Lover. Legendary Lover. Wow. I know. You know what I didn't realize? That's a great album, actually. It's a great album, Bowen. It's crazy that Legendary Lover's popped into your head. I'm sorry.

It's fucking insane. I'm taking a new tone. It's crazy. Are you mad at me? I'm floored. That Legendary lovers! Clearly number 13 on that album's track list. No, it's like number 2.

I know, but in terms of quality, I'm willing to say... Oh my god, that album is so good. The back half of Prism is great. It's great. It's a good reader's taste. Choose your battles, babe! Maybe there's a really religious song that rubs me the wrong way, but I still love it. By the grace of God. Yes, but it's a good readers children's battles babe maybe there's like a really religious song that rubs me the wrong way

but I still love it by the grace of God yes but it's still really good it's still good but I actually really encourage you did you hear me

just try to sing readers I encourage you to listen to that album on a plane that's a good plane album we were just talking about plane albums you were

yes yes yes no like some albums they just hit different some big plane artist for me is radiohead i like to listen oh yeah that's a good one on an album on a on an album myself now in rambos is good on in rambos is great on a plane yes wait you know what i just noticed what i'm also wearing kind of a cut off sweatshirt yeah okay bitch it's a sweatshirt i'm wearing a

sweatshirt oh my god that's so hot it is oh wow that's so hot. Don't lie. It is. Oh wow, that is a hot look. Don't lie. I won't lie. It was not clear. Oh my God. Helicopter dag. Oh my God, I'm in a helicopter. Helicopter dag. My boobs actually look gigantic right now. I mean.

No, that's the end of the podcast. You got them. Can I say? Yeah. To go back to that time when Darcy came on the pod for the first time in LA. I remember opening the door. Yeah. And being like. And Darcy was holding an iced coffee. It was either LA. I remember opening the door. Yeah. And being like,

And Darcy was holding an iced coffee. It was either an iced coffee or a green juice. Okay. And it was, and as a gay man, Yeah.

I feel like it's relatively not harmful that I say this. Great. But it was just so like, wow, this is the most gorgeous,

this is the most gorgeous woman and since, since you've talked about my thighs and calves, I have to say the tits were stunning. She's clapping for her own compliments. I think we might have screamed the word snatch. Certainly not titties because we didn't know you.

But I think we screamed the word snatch years later. No, you could have said it in the moment. You maybe did. Snatched. I want to get tactile. I want to get tactile. Wait, you guys, this,

when my little sister Miranda was like a little tiny kid, she called this glove. Sex. Oh! And she called this mitten.

That's so sweet. So like interlocking fingers, she would like reach up to my dad and be like, glove. Glove, interlocking fingers. Interlocking fingers. And then m reach up to my dad and be like, glove. Glove, interlocking fingers. Interlocking fingers.

And then mitten is like hands. Mitten is just four over the... Do you guys prefer glove or mitten? I think it depends on with who. Depends. But God, I love glove. Interlocking fingers is so intense and intimate.

Glove is not sustainable. Yeah, glove, yeah. But a little glove. But it's okay. It's okay. Mitten I can do forever with someone. Mitten I can do forever. Oh my God.

Maybe glove is like dating and mitten is like marriage. Wow. I don't know. But it's okay. It's okay. Mitten I can do forever with someone. Mitten I can do forever. Oh my God. Maybe glove is like dating and mitten is like marriage. Wow. I don't know. I don't know. Actually, I don't know. I think I prefer glove just because it feels more connected. So intimate. And then also like you do, your inside of your fingers can get a little sweatier.

That's right. Mitten is restrained. Mitten is Sarah Snook. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Snook. It's Snook. God, I love her so much. I love her. She's so much. I love her.

She's so good. I love her. I'd be really intimidated to meet her. I bet she's cool. I bet she's cool as fuck. I bet she's too, but just sometimes when somebody's that talented

and that hot, it's hard to even, like, be near them. Well, then what the fuck are we supposed to think about you then? Yeah, I guess we're really easy to be around.

I guess we're shit. No, no, no. I was saying about Darcy. Wait, you guys are the hottest. We don't need to go down this road again. No, literally, LOL. I truly think you're the hottest people alive. Hot to trot.

What is that? Hot to trot. I don't know what that is. It was just a song I was trying out. I liked it. I'm sort of trying out songs lately. I think you should always be doing that. I'm channeling everything I'm going through into a project.

And Hot to Trot is the title of? No, that's not going to make it. Hot to trot. But I've been trying to get creative again. And Hot to Trot is the title of? No, that's not going to make it. Hot to Trot. But I've been trying to get creative again. This is the time. Are you really trying to? Yeah, I'm really trying hard.

I feel it. You are truly, you have never been better creatively. Do you think that? One thousand percent. Oh my God. We're going to see.

One thousand percent. So wow, I guess what we're saying is this is three people that did a podcast episode that are at their creative peak. Yes. No, not three.

And we're going to channel that into... I am fallow. We're going to channel that into... It's okay. Because of the strike? No, no, no. Just because of general mood. You're just feeling a little...

Yeah, but that's not a complaint. We're in a precipice area. We're on the precipice of spring, and that brings things up. But I'm ready to dive in. We're diving in the spring. We're diving in. We're diving in. Charizard era.

Charizard ass. The eclipse just happened, and now we're moving into, you know, sun is zimi Uranus right now. Zimi Uranus. I already told you, I don't know the planets, bitch.

And so, and a lot of stuff is in Taurus right now, which means like slow, mellow, we're figuring it out. And I feel that very much. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I like that. Yeah. Thank you to Chetty Nicholas, who may or may not be on the pod soon sometime. She's expressed. She's reached out. Talk about speaking things into existence. Yes.

Has she reached out? She's reached out. Okay, let's get it on the sketch. I'm saying we're figuring it out. Oh my God. You need to get into Channing. Channing Tatum? Channing Tatum.

You need to get into that. Imagine telling someone that you know you need to get into Channing Tatum. You would love him. I actually think you would love him. Wait, you would be get into Channing Tatum you would love him I actually think you would love him wait you would be obsessed with Channing Tatum by the way

I think I would wait you did a movie with him I did and he and I did you have any interaction we had plenty of interaction because between takes he and I would stand

backstage of this like yes yes yes the auditorium the auditorium this is right when he was starting to date Zoe yes but it wasn't public yet

so he would just be like my girlfriend's showing me a lot of art. It's like really cool. I'm like, oh yeah. I love girlfriends. He's like, where do you live? I was like, I'm in ***. He's like, oh my girlfriend lives there too. Cute. And then, should I be saying this? I love it. Yeah. I love it.

I'm a piglet. I'm a little snort snort. And then I was just like, well you know like there's a lot of cool stuff there. He's like, yeah, yeah, no. Brooklyn's like very different. I'm like, totally. Totally. Brooklyn's different. But you did. And I should was just like, well, you know, there's a lot of cool stuff there. He's like, yeah, yeah, no. Brooklyn's very different. I'm like, totally. Brooklyn's different. And I'm your rollercoaster number 99. Brooklyn's different. We'll cut this out. No, I don't think we will. If anything,

you could go, beep, beep. We're not cutting it out. I love him. I do too. Bleep where you live. Okay, beep. I'll bleep where I live. And where she lives. And that's actually a rollercoaster. 273. 273. Bleep where you live. Yeah, bleep where you live. And where she lives. And that's actually a rule that's called 273. 273. Bleep where you live. When I listen to this,

you know, weekly, I cannot help myself but say the rules. You know, that's what makes it a super rule. We've said this. Like, when the guest says the rule too,

that makes it a super rule. No, but I can't help but say it in my own home, car, shower, whatever. I say it aloud. Oh, I love that. To no one. No, we I can't help but say it in my own home, car, shower, whatever. I say it aloud. Oh, I love that. To no one. No, we encourage that.

That's good because we want you to be practicing that. So when you come here, then you can make the things a super rule that are more solidified in time and hold a higher echelon. Nintendo game vibes. Nintendo game vibes. I don't know why. It's really fun. Yeah, Super Mario. Nintendo game vibes. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.

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we channel the most rage we are feeling. So if we ever have the opportunity to come together and record an episode of lost culture race dust it is custom for

I don't think so honey to happen at the end of that episode. It is a 60 second segment that we take to rail and rant and rage against culture that needs

to be dragged. And I have something. Okay. It's sort of bigger than anything that I've ever done. What? It's bigger. It's sort of bigger than anything I've ever done. The way I was looking at this guy trying to land the plane.

Where'd you go? I'm ready. Oh my God, Sully. Oh my God. Sully Rush. Oh my God, Captain Sul. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. That skin changes over time. Wait. Oh my God. I'm going to scream. I'm going to scream. There was a time when I used to be younger and I would have what people looked at me

and they said, wow, you have great skin. Now it's like I go to a different location. They change locationally where I am. It's like my skin doesn't know what's happening for the first time ever. And I try to adapt to new skin practices like using sunscreen every day. 30 seconds. But it feels like I don't know if it's just that I'm getting a little bit older, but it feels like nothing I can do to stop my skin from aging and being affected by my surroundings.

I am asking for help. I come to this podcast to reach out to everyone in the Lost Culture Racist community, no matter how you identify, to reach out to me and say, hey, I'm looking at you and it looks like we might have a similar skin situation. I've been experiencing this.

This has worked. I look to you in the Houston song. I don't think so, honey. My skin changing over time. And that's one minute. You need to go. I had a moment. It's me? No, it's like when you did the bad to the bone thing. I just had that moment because Matt

when I tell you that was what you're going to do. You want to know why? It's because you were in LA for a while, then came to New York, and something's weird, right? Yes, absolutely. I mean, I have like a little—well, this isn't what you're talking about. But I have a little rash on my neck. Wait, same.

Literally, I'm breaking out a little bit here. What's happening? And for some reason, my chest and neck is getting very red. I'm like itchy. Skin changing. Skin changes over time. It's so, okay, okay.

I'm truly like, I'm like tripping out. I'm in a different dimension. I cannot believe you said that because I was also like, were you going to use that verbiage? No, no, I wasn't.

But like so many, I don't think so. Honey's popped into my head in the last day or two. And that is what the one, like, I think what I will do and maybe I should just do it right now

is like more broad. Can you do yours now? Yeah, sure. Because this is the discussion topic. This is like crazy. Ready? Five, six, seven, eight.

This is Darcy Carnes. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The passage of time. Oh, okay. You're making me sad. Even bigger.

Oh my God. But it is like, and I know I only have a minute and I'm just going to talk. It is skin changing. It's hair changing. It's parents aging. Oh, I can't. It's hair changing. It's parents aging. Oh, I can't.

It's dogs dying. It's little nieces and nephews becoming big kids. Bitches. You were just with them. But them being babies and then all of a sudden them like having a job. It's not right. That's fucked up. How many more times in our...

It's best friends seeing them once a year. Oh, no. Life is passing. 15 seconds. And it's only getting faster and worse. Damn. And also on the topic of skin, I'm sorry to just bump over here, but I don't think so many paper cuts and also cardboard cuts.

Five seconds. No. Cardboard cuts. I'm done. Oh, no. Paper cuts and also cardboard cuts. Five seconds. Cardboard cuts. Oh, no. And that's one minute. So you agree. I agree. That one of the elements. One of the elements. Of a changing of the guard in terms of time.

Second by second, it gets more advanced in time. Exactly. And we get more into the future every second. Our skin is one of the things. Well, it's a visual representation also. Those are like, and this is what I found with my screw to that.

With, I'm going to just, I'm going to conjure her name. My sweet, wonderful, lovely dog, Penny, who recently passed. We love her. We love her so much. We love Penny so much.

Like watching a dog age, like in rapid, it's faster than fuck. It's so fast that a dog, you know, I mean, this is the whole thing. Famously, dogs, what, seven years or whatever it is? Dog years, you know what I'm saying? Dog years, yeah. It really is true, y'all.

They like age fast. And watching my little puppy dog turn into like an old lady and pass in my arms. Like that is, that's real as fuck. And that really like puts things in perspective. And, and I think there's something about like a visual representation of age and it is babies getting older. It is our skin changing. It is like seeing a wrinkle or whatever. And I think a big part of it is the lockdown, like having a couple of years of like being indoors and then coming out and being like, wow, I haven't seen this person in a year or like things really got real as hell for me.

You want to know what it was? I think that like you're talking about last like few years, right? Yeah. So like with the pandemic, that like doesn't necessarily feel like a long time. Yeah. It feels like because things stopped and then they were so same for such a long period of time it for some reason gets remembered as like just the pandemic and filed away you know what i mean and all of a sudden like we have come out of it and we are like three and a half years older

you know what i mean and so that i think just feels pronounced yes totally and i also think the existential questions that arise with something like a global experience anyway yeah it's an abstract concept time passing is an abstract thing that you like attach little things to like after yeah a certain amount of time goes by does that make sense like like you're like oh three years have passed what's happened since like in that time um oh right like my nieces and nephews have grown up these lives were lost whatever like it's so but it's hard to like attach that to the last three years because things are so things have been so slippery and also just like

flat and sad I mean I know it's been said but it's like I do feel like in the future we will look back on this time it will be like I don't think we can even wrap our heads around it right now it's so bizarre I mean it feels like what people It will be like, I don't think we can even wrap our heads around it right now. No.

It's so bizarre. I mean, it feels like what people who are realistic about the 60s are like about the 60s. You know what I mean? The 60s was fucked. Right. There was so much trauma and terror that was happening at that time and so much war and so much discord and fear and unknown that like it feels weird to be living in what you know was going to be an era that is marked by a lot of the same stuff you know what i mean like and it does make you hopeful that at least there are eras incoming that are going to turn the page on that but like you know y'all i for some reason had this movie

on my list which La Jetée it's this fucking 30 minute long French movie that they made in 1962 and it's all told in like photos and it's about

how it's barely sounds like a movie it's barely a movie it's a real it's told in a real it's the original real but it's like

I was like I'm gonna watch a taste I was like I was like, I'm going to watch a taste. I was like, I've been watching trash. I'm going to watch a tasteful film. Yeah. Bad idea. Oh no.

Because guess what? The movie is about this man whose last memory before like World War III started was him at this airport. And then it's all about like people in post-World War, post-nuclear Holocaust Paris

trying to send this man back in time attaching himself to memories of like the before times. And I'm like, this is too much. people in post-nuclear Holocaust Paris trying to send this man back in time, attaching himself to memories of the before times. And I'm like, this is too much. I wasn't even stoned, but I was like, this is crazy. I can't think about this. And then I start going down this rabbit hole of looking up World War III things of like,

it literally almost happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis. We literally almost all died when that happened. By like a fucking eyelash, we like averted it. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it is crazy. Should we watch this? I think I'm going to pass.

I had to turn it off. Yeah. And if I turn it off, that means this one's going to turn it off. See, here's the thing. Yeah. Like this is an example

of why having taste is not necessarily the best idea. Totally. And that's rule of culture number 11. Having taste is not necessarily the best idea

because I sort of haven't watched that and therefore aren't fixated on death and world war currently where I sit

the doomsday clock is 90 seconds to midnight like for example I never would have even thought of that me neither in 62

it was 5 minutes to midnight we're 90 seconds to midnight. So much closer than the era I just called one that we look back on as nightmarish. And not to sort of- I'm so sorry to do this. No, you have to. Not to sort of pivot to the Thanksgiving play, but this is very my character.

Yes, yes, yes. We get it. You're like here to sell a project. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I'm like, I'm here to sell tickets. We're a goddamn press stop to you. But your character-

No, but that is something I actually, not that there's any like, you know, redeemable or whatever. Like there's no heroes. But that's like an aspirational thing that like your character has, which is like. She just doesn't let herself. She's like, I don't want to know. I'm able to live in my bubble. Yes.

And it's not good. Self-preservation. It's not right, but it's okay. Oh my God, Whitney okay she'll never challenge herself she'll never challenge herself beyond anything because it's working for her yeah it's working but that's how we all cope i know yeah like i had to turn that shit off yeah we have to raise our voice that's what i would have said to your character is at the end if i could talk to her i would say you have to you have a voice and you have to raise your voice. And then I would comment on her

privilege. And I would say you're privileged and you have to raise your voice. So if you could tell her that. I would love to tell her that. In any way in your preparation you could fit in the moment. Oh my god, I think I might change my whole performance tomorrow night. But keep the grape. Pop the grape in the mouth. Pop the grape.

Pop the grape. Two nights in a row, a grape drip dripped on my titty. My white t-shirt. My white shirted titty. And there's like a little grape dot. And all my little castmates looked at me in the eye and then looked at my tit. And then looked at me in the eye and be like, that's not great. Not great.

To be like, you dripped again, bitch. And also say, hey, my eyes are up here. But then at the stage door afterwards, so many people were like, you dripped on your chest. I noticed your grape drip. That's rude. I know. And I cried.

I went back to my dressing room and I sobbed. I don't believe that. No, I didn't. I laughed. I took pictures. I signed autographs. And I went home and ate a goddamn cheeseburger. Oh, my God.

That rocks. Oh, my God. I want to eat a cheeseburger so bad now! I would go for one. Oh my god, wait! That was my moment. That was your moment? Oh my god, this is the moment!

I had no idea I wanted three things, meat, cheese, and bread together at last. Meat, cheese, and bread. Meat, cheese, and bread. Oh my God. He said, oh my. Oh my.

Yes. We've all screamed. Wait, watch this. Ready? I'm going to, wait, this is something I used to do when I was a kid. Let's see if it works.

Oh my God. That sounds so good. You can kind of do it with your hands. Yeah. Wow, you're really good at it. That's really good. Should I sing a song?

It's a musical family you grew up in. Oh my God, you sound so resonant. You sound like when Nikki McKib... Oh, I shouldn't say that. God rest. God rest. Missy rest. God rest.

There was an iconic moment at the end of the finale where Kelly was having trouble singing, oh, I shouldn't say that. God rest. God rest. Missy rest. God rest. There was an iconic moment at the end of the finale where Kelly was having trouble singing the song. I think I remember this. And then Nikki took the microphone. And like took the microphone and said,

sang, a moment like this. I really remember. I really remember. She didn't even just belt it out. She also made a choice. I really remember. And she was so on the mic

that it was iconic. And we do also say God rest. God rest. For real. I was a Nikki McKibben apologist. Yeah.

Well, what's an apologist? She's great. It was just, she got picked on the most that season for like still being there. You know what I mean? It's like,

the thing about American Idol was like one person would be bullied every year for like still being there as if it was their decision. They were like somehow like if John Stevens, who ended up beating, remember when he beat Jennifer Hudson? He was like a crooner. He really wasn't very good. And then he made it further than like Jennifer Hudson.

And I remember the fandom, and I was very online and part of the fandom was so cruel to him for being there. Totally. Like as if he like, like they got in like a fist fight or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel very spiritually

connected to Nikki McKibben and here's why. Okay. Seventh grade, my algebra teacher, Nicole Schaffner. Why are you saying

her first name? We stan Miss Schaffner. No, no, no. I mean like why, how do you know her first name? Because Your teacher? We call her Mrs. Schaffner. Why are you saying her first name? We stan Miss Schaffner. No, no, no. I mean, like, how do you know her first name? Your teacher? Because he was that fast. We called her Mrs. Schaffner. Okay, okay, but you're saying...

And she was the best seventh grade algebra teacher we could have asked for. Lucky. And then we all campaigned as a class for the eighth grade year that she would come

and teach us geometry, but then she was not allowed to. Oh. And we all... So then Miss Maynard in the eighth grade, we, like, bullied the shit out of this poor woman. Because she could never be mother. She could And we all, so then Miss Maynard in the eighth group, we like bullied the shit out of this poor woman.

Because she could never be mother compared. She could never be mother. She could never be mother. She could never be mother compared. No, but it's not her fault. It's not her fault.

Anyway, back to Mrs. Schaffner. Nicole. Nicole Schaffner, nay, born Nicole McKibben. What? And she says

that her, the spelling of her last name, McKibben, is extremely, extremely rare. M-C-K-I-B-B-I-N. It's normally E-N, I-N, and they look alike. Are you six of one, half a dozen of the other? I mean, you're not.

Hold on. Did you just make two, like, okay, okay, okay. I don't have my words. I don't have my words. I don't have my words. But I know my heart. But I know my heart. I know my heart. Okay.

You just compared the American Idol with the algebra teacher to the geometry teacher. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And also the name. Like, you just did two connections in one straight. Because they spiritually and literally were very similar. Oh, my God. But Mrs. Schaffner was like, I'm pretty sure we're related. Because they looked identical.

Okay, they looked identical and they had the same name? They had the same name basically. Does she have a talent for rock singing? She doesn't, but she fucking taught the shit out of algebra. Same thing then. She made us love algebra at a young age.

Is it possible that it was the same woman? Oh my God. I really think it's possible. Well, I hope not. Because I hope this one is still with us. God. I really think it's possible. Well, I hope not. I hope this one is still with us. Okay, but I think it's possible. No, I'm going to just... Mrs. Schaffner is mother, by the way.

She's mother. I knew that from the second we started talking. Yeah, you actually said it. Yeah. You literally did. And I do want to apologize on behalf of the Laredo Middle School class of 2004. Okay.

I apologize to Mrs. Maynard because we really did not treat her well. She was just trying to teach us geometry. There are those teachers out there that are doing well. You must apologize. You have to apologize to some teachers. I would apologize to two women right now. Oh, shit. Ms. Gillen, who taught earth science. I'm so sorry. Unfortunately, she

just showed too many weaknesses for a class of people who were trying to find a sense of humor. Exactly. You know what I mean? You told me. Was she the teacher who would go, I'll wait? I'll wait. No, that was Miss McDonald, who was my second apology.

She was simply too young and inexperienced to teach a difficult subject with a sixth grade math. It's like kids in math class, they want to act out so bad because it's so bad. Math sucks so much. It's so hard. It's been said. Yeah, it's so bad. Totally. Math sucks so much. It's so hard. It's been said. Yeah, it has been said. And so when a teacher that doesn't have a handle of the room tries to teach it, they simply don't stand a chance.

And for her to stand in front of the class and say, I'll wait. And for one kid to go. For the audience, which is really, because it was a gesture show. For one kid in the class to go, okay. Oh, kill yourself. You have to. It didn't feel good. go, okay. Oh, kill yourself. You have to. It didn't feel good. I know it.

Oh, no. And then Miss Gillen, I will say, she didn't stand a chance either. There was a day where she was taking attendance, and one of my friends wasn't there. And the bit I was doing at the time was when someone in the class wasn't there, she got to my friend, Lorianne, and she said, said Lorianne and I made a noise like this. Oh. And then Ms. Gillen said what Matt? And I said

Lorianne passed away third period. No Matt. And did everybody die laughing? She passed away third period. Oh my god Matt. That is so funny.

That is so funny. That is so funny. That is so funny. People laughed but again it was more my delivery probably wasn't great. It was probably you the second time the back to the bone thing happened.

You pushed it too hard. Back to the bone. It was so the bit I was doing that when some kid wasn't there, especially with a substitute teacher, like that they passed away fourth period, we're all grieving. That was something I thought was truly so funny. I think it is so wild. And this woman turned to me and she said, that's not funny. Of course she did.

I knew a child that died. Okay, sure. We all did. Chill out. Of course she did. I knew a child that died. Okay, sure. We all did. Chill out. Actually, she sucks. And I said, I don't know that you made this batter. Like, if you didn't like it, call me after. Exactly.

You brought up a child died. Yeah. Now we're all sitting in reality. I actually knew a child that died. That's not funny. That's not funny. I knew a child that died. Okay.

And I remember just being like. What did the kid say when she said, I'll wait? Okay. You could have said that to her when she said. Okay, wait, wait. I want to do this again. Ready? You use that.

Ready? That's not funny. I actually know a child that died. Okay. Yes. You're so mother for that. That would have been so much. I'm telling you terrors. Terrors to these women would have been so much. I'm telling you, terrors.

Terrors to these women who just try to educate. I know. It's hard. And it would be, I'm sorry, it would be women. That's what sucks. And that's what's going to suck. And that's why I kind of have some sort of, I humanized Mrs. Wood a little bit because she was like, I'm not going to take any bullshit.

But her crime was like inflicting it upon me. No. Truly doing. I was being hammy. No. As a ninth grader. Who fucking cares? She deserves bad.

She deserves bad. And like, guess what? Like that's followed me into like adulthood. Exactly. Exactly. You mean like it's made you who you are? Or it's like,

it's like people call me hammy all the time. And I'm like, who fucking cares? Okay, great, great, great. It's that. So it is, I mean, with all these things that like

happened to us in our childhood, there is sometimes I look back and I'm like, oh, it's that so it is I mean with all these things that like happened to us in our childhood there sometimes I look back and I'm like oh that hurt or that felt I didn't like that but then I'm like oh maybe that whatever inspired this and that made me be able to do this that or whatever so maybe it was for good but she's still wrong for doing that of course

definitely wrong yeah I mean we get better from adversity but we're not standing the antagonist I'm not like adversity, but we're not standing the antagonist. I'm not like, hey, thanks, Thanos. We're all better off. No, my relatives passed away. They turned to dust. Thank you.

They turned to fucking dust. They passed away because of him. You know what? On the other side of it, am I happy I got stronger? Hell yeah. But do I wish death on anyone that I love? No. And so for that reason, I'm not standing Thanos. Speaking of Thanos, my husband. You booked Marvel that reason, I'm not standing Thanos. Speaking of Thanos,

my husband. You booked Marvel? Yes. I booked Thanos. Yes, please. Please. Actually,

I booked Thanos. Thanos. Thanos. You booked thin ass. It's actually really close to number 50. Darcy Corden booked Marvel. She'll be playing thin ass.

Okay, there's this Jason and Miranda, sister and husband. Oh my God. We saw this great comment on some video about the Avengers where somebody was talking about Elizabeth Olsen and the comment was, beautiful powers, but why does she have to turn to dust? Oh, I love that comment. And we quote that all the time.

Beautiful powers, but why does she have to turn to dust? I would ask her that. I love that comment. And we quote that all the time. Beautiful powers, but why does she have to turn to dust? I would ask her that. I love that comment. I would ask Elizabeth Olsen that. I'd be like, I just want to say I'm a huge fan.

I saw you in Multiverse and I just want to say beautiful powers, but why does she have to turn to dust? It's so good. It's so good. It's so good.

How would you answer that? And also, I'm like trying to remember, did she turn to dust? She did, right? She did. She got crushed by a big stone. When the snap happened.

She did go. She got snap dusted? Yeah. And that was a horrible moment for her. Wasn't it? Because, yes, well, she basically was with Paul Bettany when he was getting the stone ripped out of his head. La vision. She feels, you know, responsible for that.

She's sitting in it. And then she looks at her damn hands and Mama's drifting away. Disappearing. Disappearing. Although it's kind of like, well, you feel bad you're about to be dead, so get over it. Then she comes to. Oh, yeah. And it's more hell. I know. She's been through hell. That's why in Multiverse of Madness I was kind of like, I get it.

I get it. She's upset. That's what I say about her. She's upset. Give her some grace. That's why the performance in Multiverse of Madness is perfect because if I were her I would be like you get celebrated

wait you know what's crazy I watch everything but I don't know what the fuck you're talking about what's Multiverse of Madness it's Doctor Strange

it's where Wanda's the villain Scarlet Witch is the villain Wanda becomes the villain it's a big twist it gets revealed mercifully early because then you get to just enjoy her being the villain. It's a big twist. It gets revealed mercifully early because then you get

to just enjoy her being the villain. Bad, bad for the whole thing. And then at the end, she sort of gets crushed by big rocks. Bye bye. And a temple.

And a temple. And so it's sort of open-ended like. She might still be alive. She did do, Elizabeth Olsen did do a thing that was so funny on the red carpet

because there was a reporter, maybe I said this, there was a reporter that asked her, like an entertainment reporter, that was like so at the end of the movie, you know, Wanda like, it looks like she died, so do you think she'll be back? And Elizabeth also just looks at the girl and she goes

I think she'll be back. It's Marvel. She's like, I'm already filming it. I have my contract. Don't you worry about it. I am obsessed with her. And she just did a thing for... Love and Death? No, well, Love and Death, obviously.

But she just did like a little piece, which was she rewatched scenes. Oh, I watched that too. She's so good at just watching herself and commenting. But Elizabeth Olsen, I really enjoyed watching her talk about Inger Goes West. I loved hearing her talk about Inger Goes West. I want to watch this.

I mean... It's a community fair. She's watching herself. Wait, have you seen Inger Goes West? Yes, hearing her talk about Inger Goes West. I want to watch this. I mean, it's a community fair. She's watching herself. Wait, have you seen Inger Goes West? Yes, I have. I love it. I love it.

I love it so much. Inger Goes West is so good. She's so good. Yeah. It's such a great movie. Wild movie. What a ride.

Yeah. She's the best part. Do you have to do your I Don't Think So Honey song? I do. Okay. This is a moment in time. It's a really quick one.

Really frivolous. It's really quick. It'll only last one minute. This is Bowen Yang and he is about to do his I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey playing solitaire on the subway on your phone. Who are you?

Me? Because when I see you playing solitaire on your phone on the subway, I go, hey, that's my thing. And then I go, well, I guess I'm not that original then. Am I? And then I go, I'm just like, we're all sad people just playing solitaire. Solitaire is the only game in town. You're doing the Clay Aiken version. I'm doing the Clay Aiken version.

You motherfucker. And then I think, God, isn't this just my life right now? 30 seconds. Playing this card game. Solo. Solo on the train. And that's okay. But I go, there's got to be another game to play.

Maybe I better start learning how to play poker. Texas Hold'em, please. 15 seconds left. I just, I think I need to find, I need to read. I need to read a book on the subway because I'm running out of ideas. But all I ever want to do is play solitaire. But then when I see someone else playing it, I go, wait a minute. I need to put an end

to this and that's your time and that's one minute oh that is so true though when you started singing solitaire you knew it was clay because you gave it

a clay you gave it a clay you kind of did and solitaire is the only game in town he would wrap his mind around

he would wrap his whole mouth around a vibrato. He would give you big old theater. Oh my God. Wait, the last time I was on the show, the title of that was the name of a song of his. This is the night.

This is the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I don't know. I've been waiting forever for this. This is the night. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Him doing Unchained Melody,

season two of American Idol. Oh my God. I'm sure we talked about this. You know what? When I tell you, we literally did this song. I only know this song because you guys sang it

the last time I was on it. Well, I'm telling you, it's important that that building block was put there so now you can come back even more advanced reader and hear about Solitaire. We're going to talk about

Clay next time. The only game in town. Is Solitaire a song by Clay again? It was a cover. He did it for Neil Sadaka week, hon. It was Neil Sadaka week. Did they have a whole

Neil Sadaka week? Are you lying? They had Neil Sadaka week. It's actually Rural Culture number eight. They had Neil Sadaka week, hon. But I, okay, I think we also talked

about this last time I was on. I did watch every single episode of American Idol much longer than both of you. I watched, I watched through like the J-Lo, the J-Lo years.

Oh, yeah. So I did see it, but I don't remember it. I don't remember, I don't remember rule eight of culture. Because you worked and watched the American Idol through J-Lo. We're talking about J-Lo.

Sorry. Did you remember it? Hold on now. Take it back and take a deep breath, Matt. Do you remember an episode where she was so distraught by having to cut someone? I believe his name was Chris. J-Lo. He had long hair. She was so distraught by having to cut someone? I believe his name was Chris. J-Lo. He had long hair.

She was so distraught by having to cut someone that she broke down behind the judges table and Steven Tyler had to like comfort her. Yes. And I believe it was Harry Connick Jr. too. And she was like, I just feel awful. Yes. And they were like, no. They were like, you were so kind.

You were so. I totally do. But there was a moment where. Tears. not JLo was on display there, like she was just like. No, it was genuine, real. I think it was genuine. I'm sure it was real. Because it was, she really broke down. And I remember it.

And that's like part of judge culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where you had to have humanity. You had to have humanity. That's true. That's why Simon and Paula balanced out. But that's why Simon, we don't look back on with the same fondness. We sure don't.

You know? Yeah. Although maybe do you? No, I don't. I don't think so. I think that he occupied a space in the culture, in the monoculture that's undeniable, but I also think that the not even just comment culture that it standardized for everyone, but the negative comment culture.

Totally. It made everyone an asshole for a little bit. And it also is very of that time. Yes, yes, yes. That was. It was perfectly hand-in-hand with the tabloid culture at that time. Which is let's look at this person trying and knock them down just because. God, that was ugly.

Not good. It was very misogynist, homophobic, and very deeply racist. Racist, yeah. It was an ugly, ugly time time and it felt icky. You know, Jennifer Hudson, like at the time, she said that one of the things that they were telling her at the time was she was wearing her hair like naturally and big. And then they started straightening it and she started doing better at the competition. I'm sure. I do feel like there's like could be the deepest dive into race on American Idol.

Let's do the documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember thinking it at the time. This is the daily.. Let's do the documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember thinking it at the time. This is the daily. I'm Michael Barbaro. Oh, wow. That's really good. I'm Michael Barbaro.

And do you know, Michael Barbaro, one of the things he does is, can you make a point that you believe in? Yeah. And so there were these moments of racism on American Idol. He does do that. It kind of feels like he's always falling down a hill. He's like, this is the daily.

You guys have him on the pod. What a guest. I don't know. He would hate us. I think that we wouldn't necessarily meet energetically. I would like to know off camera. Who the biggest bitch we've ever worked with is. Who the worst guest was.

I know you don't judge judge but I just want to know I wonder if I even have a guest I don't think I do but I would can we sonically connect on like sonically or psychically psychically connect right now on who the worst guest ever was

just look at me my eyes yes oh interesting oh I know who it is huh huh interesting

I mean I think that yeah yeah yeah should we say it and bleep it yeah no no no. Too scary. Because God forbid. Because God forbid.

Because what if AI or computer life gets to a point where they can go back into every podcast ever and remove a beep? They can remove the beep. You better stop. You better work. That is going to happen. You better work.

That is going to happen. That is going to happen. You better work. That is gonna happen. That is gonna happen. No, I'm freaked out. Everything redacted will be made, will be brought to the light. Wait, what was the fucking New York Times thing, like the bad art friend thing where they were like subpoenaing the texts about them talking shit

about this woman? That freaks me out. That's terrifying. Like we're all toast. We're all buttered toast. We're all buttered toast. We're all crispy toast that you wouldn't even eat if you were starving. Because it's too burnt? I'm not eating that. Make me another.

What do you put on toast? One, two, three. Jam! Jam! Hey! What do you put on a bagel? One, two, three. Jam! Jam! Hey! What do you put on a bagel? One, two, three. Cream cheese!

I went a step further. I said plain. I know, that's true. That's true. I like vegetable cream cheese. I love vegetable cream cheese. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. Depends on the mood. I'm like a salty-ish, like, everything bagel. Oh, my God! My exact bagel order! You're slaying me! Cheeseburger or bagel? Right now. Cheeseburger or bagel?

Right now, if I had to pick right now, cheeseburger or cheeseburger? He's going cheeseburger. He's going cheeseburger. No, I want a cheeseburger. He's going cheeseburger. Where are you getting it from?

Where are you getting it from? Five, six, seven, eight. Court Street Diner because that's where I live. Oh my God, that's a great diner. Redact that! Don't tell people where you live.

I want people to know I want them knocking! He lives at Court Street Diner. They know I live in Queens.. I want people to know I want them not killed. He lives at Court Street Diner. They know I live in Queens. I've told people I live in Long Island City now. Yeah, yeah. People know where I live. People know where I live.

It's fine. You don't know where I live. Okay, so I feel like there's a lot of energy in that room, which is they need to wrap up. Do they? Ruthie needs to go. Ruthie needs to go.

I mean, I just, I sense like, because even when I said that, they didn't look me in the eyes. I know, that means, oh yeah, yeah. And that made me feel like it really is time. But isn't it like, when we do this, and we get on mic, and we press record, and an hour or two hours have passed, isn't it crazy

that, like, we haven't even scratched the surface? Oh, we have not even punctured. We were saying that, well, the ideal was that we would have this, and then go, like, to some sort of celebration where there was imbibement. But now you're saying that could potentially happen

because you're getting dinner with them when? In an hour and a half. Really? Okay, maybe my meeting will be quick and we'll come meet up. And then, because we're going to link up anyway before Muna tonight.

Yes. Going all the way to JFK. Going to Terminal 5. Yeah, going all the way to Terminal 5, which is not as great a venue as LaGuardia, but still up there. Doesn't have, what did you say? I would perform my debut album at LaGuardia, but still up there. It doesn't have, what did you say? I would perform my debut album at LaGuardia.

Oh my God, I can't wait. I can't wait. Speaking of, I just want to just quickly just drop into months ago, seeing your Christmas show live in LA and how fucking incredible it was. It was just such a good night. I went with my dear sister Miranda.

We had so much fun. You were such a fucking abominable talent. What does that mean? Bad. That's the opposite of bad. Talent bomb. I think it means formidable. And also say the word for me.

Abominable. Abominable. And that means snowman. I think that when we conjure up the word abominable, we think of the snowman. Here's the thing. I think that when we conjure up the word abominable, we think of the snowman. Here's the thing. I think that does mean in this case bad, but also like I'm taking it as a huge. I think I mean big. Abominably good.

Indomitable. It was abominable. No, I think indomitable. Okay, indomitable. If a reviewer had come to my show and said abominable, I would have pulled it and put it on the poster. Great, great, great. Abominable says the New York Daily News. Yes, on the poster. Great, great, great. Abominable, says the New York Daily News. Yes, and it was.

It was. It was so good. I just love, I'm so blessed in my life to have friends that are literal geniuses, and I get to watch their genius on display. And I'm pointing at both of you. It's such a, it's truly, it's one of the best parts of my life that I don't get to just watch great art or whatever. I get to be friends with the people that are, it blows my mind.

It's the best gift of my entire life. That is so kind. And obviously it is just returned immensely and immeasurably. I mean, I'm like, I immediately can't. You are abominable in the Thanksgiving play. Thank you so much. Thank you. And that's my review are abominable in the Thanksgiving play. Thank you so much. You are abominable. Thank you. And that's my review, abominable.

But please understand, I am meaning that it's great and everyone should go check it out. It runs until June 11th. So there feels like there's a solid month plus to go see this. Get your ass in seats. And todaytix.com. I'm certain that could be a connection. I'm certain too. Oh absolutely.

Because that's your commercial. We do have a deal with Today Tix. Okay I have a question. Sure. What's up with sometimes commercial and sometimes just the sound and then right back into the show? I don't know. I don't think. Well that's way above my pay grade. Okay it's above my pay grade too.

That's where we start to get into the engineering aspect of it all. Yeah it's so strange. I just let these masters and these geniuses sort of get into the engineering aspect of it all. Yeah, it's so strange. I just let these masters and these geniuses do their thing. You should do your work, baby. I feel like when Nicole Kidman is talking about the crew, I just let them do it. You do your thing, let them do that. I'm like Patti LuPone in a big show.

I'm like, what doesn't get talked about is the craft behind the people that put the ads in the episodes. Do you know that I think Patti LuPone has my favorite singing voice of all time? Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Should we all sing a song in the style of her in order to end the podcast? Okay, what's a great song that deserves its moment on Las Cotrisas sung in the style of Patti LuPone? What was on this playlist?

Desperado. Las Cotrisas sung in the style of Patti LuPone. What was on this playlist? Yeah. Hmm. Desperado. Desperado. Green light lord. Desperado. See the meaning of the whole

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