Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Exit Interview (The Cathartic Episode)" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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Listen to the Happiness Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture, yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas Ding dong Las Coulteristas calling Much has changed Look at our environment Look at the environment Y'all I think

We are going to Cozy up here, down here On the, I'm going to call it the Malala room Yeah, okay So we remember the time When Malala kicked us out of our normal studio? That was the best thing to ever happen

Give Malala more prizes and accolades For this impact she's at She continues. Malala, come on the show. Honestly, at this point. No, she's coming. Yeah. I do, we're going to do a kickball episode.

Now we have to have her. Oh my God, a kickball episode. We should have a sports, something where, or just like. Live from the court. What do they call it a kickball field? Kickball diamond. This is really where we falter in terms of expertise. We host a damn sports podcast somehow.

Imagine that. Imagine that. I'm having a great time. If you don't know, now you know, two guys five rings. which we can confirm for the millionth time is the name of the podcast and no one stopped us and they can't now.

And they can't now. Has premiered. I loved that on today's show this week. You had Ms. Jenna Bush Hager kind of giggling to herself because I was like, of course she knows. Oh, she knew.

She was knocking back the Captain Morgan in college watching that video. Remember the Billy Idol song Rebel Yale? You think that applies to? That was about Jenna Bush Hager. I fucking love her. I am obsessed with her.

I love her. I'm having the best time. Literally, I really, I was saying I don't really have much to promote, but then I was like, oh, wait, yes, I do. Our full-blown two guys five rings podcast. So I was like, oh, yeah, of course I'll go back. And I'm the last friend. That says a lot. And so I made a whole joke about how that meant I was second place. But by the way, I just do want to say, I knew the entire time I wasn't getting that job. I did not want that job. Just to talk about employment status, my employment status at NBC for one second. And then we'll get to him. No.

But I was like, we're both still employed. Everyone was like, ah, like, were you disappointed? I was like, A, no, I don't, I wouldn't want that schedule. B, Chanel Jones should have the job. The legend. And I, I will say, I knew the whole time I wasn't actually getting it. Right. And, but I did like that everyone thought I was a contender.

I liked being in that conversation. It was fun. You liked being in the mix, as they say. Yeah. And just how perfect is it? that you got to work in morning television. Ultimately, at the end of this week, I'll have hosted it 20 times.

Wow! Yeah. They got to get you a smoking jacket for that. Truly. I guess that I would have four S&L jackets at this point. Yes, 100%. And just to speak on SNL. What is that?

I don't, I'm not familiar. No, of course not. So if you've been living under it, damn, not even a rock, a boulder. A big rock. You may not know. Bowen-Yang, my sister here, my co-host, my bestie, has decided to... Suddenly depart. Shockingly, suddenly depart.

After seven and a half years, the shocking departure. So sudden. So... This is the thing. This is honestly what's behind it. It's like, it's time. Like, you would do seven seasons, and then you would scoot. And then, like, COVID and the current media landscape, the current, like, entertainment.

ecosystem is like so turbulent that like people have completely valid reasons for staying longer or in a lot of cases don't have the like privilege of staying on as long as they would like to. I have this very beautiful thing where I get to say that I stayed on exactly as long as I wanted to. Maybe unsure, and I've said this before, I was maybe unsure about going back in the summer and I'm so glad I did. When did you make I feel like Oh my God, Barbara

Now is the part where I ask a lot of questions that I know the answers to But I mean I've been really waiting to do this episode with you And I've also been waiting to do an episode With Just You And I know a lot of people out there Have been wanting us to as well

And it's not because we don't want to guys It's whenever we're not together Just us It's just because logistically We could not do it And we feel like if we're going to do A Culture Couchop episode It should be a culture catch-up episode

And so that's that's what it is. And the podcast is many different things and will continue to be many different things. And we hope it surprises you week to week. But I've been waiting for this because I'm excited to hear how you're feeling. How are you feeling? I feel so good. I also want to point out the tea is like you're saying like you know the- Let's save a tea. You already know the answers to these questions you're about to ask. But also, I don't think you and I have really talked about this. Not really. I wasn't able to be there. which hurt my heart.

Really bumped me out. I was there the last time I thought it was the last show. Exactly. Exactly. And I was there in spirit, sobbing, laying on my back

in my Orlando hotel because I couldn't believe just how perfectly it was ending. Like, that is, it's like landing the Mars rover on like a square foot of terrain.

It was like, there were no guarantees about how, of it was going to shake out. Like, I... Yeah, lots of unruly, like, you know, factors. Totally. Like, working there is just making peace with the fact that, like,

things are completely out of your control. Mm-hmm. Down to, like, the audience response to a joke. Yeah. You know, like, that is... I think that... And, like, I think having that and, like, going into it, like, down to, like,

12, 55.m. Yeah. Not being sure if that sketch was going to go to air. I was like, there's a million reasons why I could get cut. nothing is guaranteed like that is sort of in a nutshell like it kind of is perfectly like illustrative of what that job is and it like was resonant all the way through to the end and I feel really this word is meaningless I think maybe now but like so grateful I don't think that word is meaningless at all because I think that there probably were so many times during that

experience where you didn't know if you were going to be able to end the experience of working there with gratitude, so many different people have many different kinds of experiences leaving that show. Yeah. Like you come in and there is like a shared experience of being at S&L, but then ultimately it comes down to like, there's like a collectivism there, but there's an individualism in terms of like everyone is on their own journey there. Yeah. Everyone has a different like

length of their tenure, completely different struggles. It is like what the experience of living is, which is like, it is suffering to the point of having to arrive at a nihilism and then you create your own meeting from there

that is what that job is of course the pull quote is going to be like Bowenian calls us and all suffering like but it is I actually think this year

I give so much less of a fuck about what the poll quotes Yeah yeah totally and we were texting last night I'm just so excited about the future

of the podcast now I really am not that I don't think that this is going to change it necessarily in terms of you not being there. I just mean like, I don't know.

I think after everything, like after this whole year, just like looking back and looking forward, it's like, this is the thing that's been so consistent for us. Yes. And it's the thing that I want to honor and bring honesty to and like, yes, authenticity to. And my number one main focus. And I think that because of the past seven and a half years, like your energy being, you know, primarily focus there. Now what's so exciting to me for you

is even what you said the other day about how you were like, you know what's crazy? I don't have to tell someone I'm unavailable just because they want to do something in the fall. Like, I don't have to say, oh, I'm sorry,

my October is booked out. You know what I mean? Right. You actually have like freedom now to put energy into whatever it is that you want. It's harder to get out of an unwanted plan. Right. That is.

That's true. true. But no, you're right. And I also want to acknowledge and honor the fact that, like, this is, this is like a joint tandem experience for us. Because, like, the show gave us a lot. The show meeting. S&L. We, like, went through it together in, like, I think in a very, like, evident way. We were, it was like, one of us was on the show, but I think we were both, like, living with it. Yeah, I mean, like, obviously,

Obviously, I did not experience working there. But, like, I always felt like it was a part of my life because of its omnipresence. Yeah, yeah. And not just yours, but also suities, also so many people. And so I think that what I've always been looking forward to for you is just more autonomy. Yes. And, but just to speak again about the experience of working there. Matt's, like, interviewer energy being directed at me.

This is so excited. Bowen Yang is the guest on this week's podcast. But in terms of like, you said you're feeling really good and that you're grateful that it all ends up the way it ended up. How do you think you'll feel when the first episode of the new season comes up? Well, we're going to be in Japan.

Busy by happenstance or on purpose. Not, I think both. Yeah. I think this is like, so basically what's happening for me for both of us is that we're kind of like fire hosing new sensory experiences towards us like we're going to be like eating food

going like listening to sounds touching things like touching things what in Japan where I thought for a second we were going to go to a petting zoo and I had around my head around that it's sometimes hard for me to think about touching animals you know this. We're going to the Nintendo Museum.

Oh, that's huge. We're going to the Ghibli Museum. Hot ticket. We are, we're going to be touching things. So I think it's just funny because I feel like I, I'm like trying to redirect it back to the show. Yes, yes. Okay. But no, but like, I guess it's exciting that you feel excited about other things because I didn't know how you were going to feel after it ended.

I'm sure. Because it does warp you a little bit. Like, I can give that take now that you. you're not there. Absolutely. There were times where I would come to the show and you would be there and I was like, what happened here? I know what I mean?

The energy could alternately be so high and unbelievable and the best energy you could ever experience or through the floor to the point where I'm like, why are we even doing this? Well, you know what Matt Whitaker said? Our friend Matt Whitaker said to me, he was like, by the end, it seemed like even if you had like a light show or like a bad week, like you just on that. Saturdays like it didn't stick to you like you kind of showed up you were like okay here's the rundown let's go out to music like when the sketch goes up like I had like and this is and this is an indicator for me that like oh wow like this is this is so beautifully sort of uh wrote to me that like

that comfort is like not necessarily the point of being here like there is such a beautiful crucible of that show. And now that, like, I'm done with it, now that I'm through the gauntlet of it, I'm like, that is one of the most meaningful experiences I will ever have. I can't believe I got... The thing that happened during the last sketch, the Delta One lounge sketch, was I look out,

and I was like, I don't know. I don't know if, like, emotionally, this is going to be, like, necessarily the resonant thing because what happens, according to some alums that I've talked to, including Eddie Bryant, she was like, oh, like, I cried more on Wednesday at the read-through than I did on Saturday. And I was like, oh, interesting. Like, I was sobbing at the re-thru. At the re-through in front of everyone.

Yeah. And like... Why do you think? Here's why. In the sketch, I say, you know, it's like a meta-textual thing. It's like, oh, it's my last shift at the Delta Lounge. But in the sketch, I say, I've loved everyone here. I've loved every single person who works here.

Like, I immediately broke down because, like, I was... And you knew it was a lie. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, because I was, like, because I was telling the truth. Sure. No, fuck you. I'm being a bitch.

Of course. Of course. And there's, like, even the struggles with people there, which anyone would have, with any colleague they have, but of course, experience atmosphere, like those are going to be hot and cold relationships to say the least, but those are so

valuable. 100% I've learned how to work under what seems like an immense amount of pressure, which it kind of is and it kind of isn't. But it's like I've learned so many things that have applied to so many other things. I always said like the credits don't transfer. I would always like go into like press stuff for the show and be like, oh, you know, it's so fun. Like, I love that job. But, you know, the process is so singular there. You have an idea on Tuesday and it could be on TV by Saturday. It doesn't work

like that anywhere else. It's a dream factory. I don't have to memorize lines. I just read off the cue card. I pitched the rafters. I say the credits don't transfer. Like, this isn't how it works anywhere else in show business. But yet, culture words is a perfect example. I was like, oh, I think this benefited both of us that, like, I had an understanding of, like, what to do, how to do it, how to work with someone like Liz Patrick. Yeah, who's the director of SNL who directed the culture awards. I was like, like, that was

kind of like the veneer cracking on like that idea for me. Anyway, I cried on Wednesday at the read through because I was telling the truth and because there are no other occasions for someone to say that at that place. Right. Because we have

to just like be like funny and like ironic and there's a refraction of like what's being said and how it should be received and like I will absolutely cop to the fact that that Delta 1 sketch was like completely self-indulgent because like what am I going to do like that's fine tell a straight like give a straight joke bag well for a second I thought that you're because it did weirdly feel like you for the 80 trend forecasters weekend update piece to be the last thing because that was 80's last thing and I think that that also speak the fact that you the fact that

that that was 80's last thing. And she was on the show for 10 years. And she wasn't necessarily, well, she was not given that type of platform like you were given. And we should say very, very, very few people have been given that. Yes. I think it's like actually quite rare. And so I guess my question is, as it's going, and you know what that's what that's felt like at the read through and everything like that. And it's getting to be like, it's, you know, it's 12, 51, 52. Did you think there was a possibility that it would not happen because in a way you had that moment and therefore, like, you've been in the costume before when things are cut? Literally, I've been in the costume when things are cut. It is completely devastating because you are just

like emotionally on edge. You're gearing up for something. Literally, you're in the for something, and then, like, it gets taken away from you. I want to say that, like, because of the Wednesday thing, and just, like, going into that week at all, I was already, like, blessed by the fact that it was ARIA as the host, share as the musical guest. Yeah, wild. My whole thing was, how were you supposed to stay after that? You could never have gone back after that.

I thought after the 50th, it could never. I was like, I didn't understand why you were coming back this season. Like, just to be candid, because I was like, it's after the 50th. you know what I mean like it felt like other people were going to leave and then you went back and now it's like I'm so grateful you went back I'm so grateful I went back yeah and like as so as the night's going on like I was completely zen about it either way it was okay either way was okay because 80 was there there was just I'm sorry there was like an outpouring yeah people that I hadn't heard from

and people that like I I'm sorry it just felt like a really beautiful thing where what I was saying earlier like as I get on the floor like I look out it was like basically like everyone who worked there

just on the floor showing up and I just looked out and I thought I'm so lucky that I ever got to work here and I'm so lucky that I get to make this like little statement that's like barely veiled where I'm like, I love you all. Like it was, I'm so lucky. Yeah. And it's not really like a place where I'm, like you said, like where emotions get laid bare like that. I feel like people may remember highlights of the show where it feels like that

that might be the case. But you working their day in and day out year after a year, you know that it's not some place where it's like you're necessarily like free to be like, hey, this is how. I'm feeling, and I'm expressing it exactly responsibly, etc. And so that was a question I had for you is, how do you think you've emotionally grown as a result of being on that show and the experiences that you've had doing it? I feel like I've been accelerated in terms of what, you know, how like a presidency ages you, like, 12 years or whatever in one term? Like, I feel like completely, I don't know, either I'm like, ripeness.

or I'm, like, rotten. Yeah. I've experienced the full spectrum of things because you're right. Like, working there is completely dysregulating emotionally. Yeah. Like, either you are soaring

or you are, like, completely in the dumps. And that's just how, like, it's like them's the brakes, kid. It's like a show busy, blow hard. I'm not saying this is anyone in particular, but it's just like, you are constantly reminded by someone or something or some event

where you're like, God, this is just, This is just how it is. This is how it is. And every week you get like a condensed version of like a developmental process on a project, let's say. And Jesse David Fox writes about this. Like all three words in SNL, Saturday Night Live, are about time. And it is just time sort of like encroaching on you emotionally, physically, process wise, creatively. Like it is all those things bearing.

down on you. And then if you have the time to figure out how to deal with all of that, then you will be so well equipped for everything else. That doesn't matter if you're on the cast, if you're a writer, if you're in the wardrobe department, if you're in any other place at that show. Like, it is, wow. Every department there is a convocation of the most amazing people with this workmanlike attitude about showing up and doing the job and not having an ego about it. And then, of course, there are moments where you have an ego about it. But it is, like, a collective thing.

And, like, I guess there was, like, some perception that, like, I felt, like, exceptional in any way. I really didn't. Anytime I got, like, some shine on me, my genuine instinct was always to make it about everyone who works there. I mean, I do notice that about you. Like, and I, and that's why I was so happy that that moment happened at the end of the show, because, like I said, I,

I was like, oh, wow, it would be very like him for this thing with 80 to be enough for him. But I was really happy that you got more than that. Because I do think, I mean, you've done it several times today. You've made your experience. And you've mentioned you trying to bring me into it. I ain't got nothing to do with that. Yes, you do. You have, you experienced like all of this stuff in a way.

And one thing I want to say is that not everyone leaves that show and is like ready to positively impact the workforce creatively. I can tell you that. Sure. And so the fact that you are leaving intact emotionally, creatively, and like in terms of your humanity is like, you know, it's a feat. There was no other way. I'm going to say like it's that Seth Meyer's thing where he's like,

or no, Mike Schuemaker told Seth, you're going to be talking about this for the rest of your life. Like when you got the job, it's like congratulations. You're going to be talking about this for the rest of your life. That is true. For me, I will try to keep it at like a reasonable volume. I am like, oh, God. Sorry, these thoughts are just coming at me. No, of course.

Polar, Amy, before she left the after party when she hosted the second episode this season, puts a hand on my shoulder, looks into my eyes and goes, we're all waiting for you on the other side. And I was like, fuck. Yeah, that's so much. I was like, this is crazy. I know. And then that was like a reminder of like, oh my God, I work here.

And like this is like... And there's another side. And there's another side. And like, I does feel like I've died. And like there's like... One of my heroes is like looking down at me and like telling me like... And even like 80 has been like, there's a really nice life waiting for you after this. You'll miss it every day.

Kristen, Whig. Does she text you? Of course she texted me. Well, she'll be here in a couple weeks. She'll be here in a couple weeks. But of course she texted me. And then I texted her back. I was like, Kristen, like I will never forget like the first time you hosted when I was

here. Like the thing you told me was, enjoy it because it's the funnest job in the world. I remember when she said that to you. Never forgot. You know, we were talking, when we were shooting Palm Royale, we were talking about this. And I remember like saying to her, like, because she too also got like a send off like that. And I remember I, not to share too much about what we talked about, but I was kind of, I was kind of in my mind. I was like, your best friend. And also as someone who watches the show and enjoys the show and the legacy of the show and felt you deserved it, I was like, how do we make it so that he gets like a good, nice moment? And like, I think I think that ultimately in terms of the totality of what it could have been,

it probably was like beyond your wildestreams. I guess my question is with that, like, does Ariana become de facto your favorite host of all time? Yeah, I mean, there's no other answer. And shares my favorite musical. Sorry, Kiki Palmer. Sorry, Kiki. You reigned for a while. Sorry, Regina King.

I. I loved how unsubed. selfish the whole thing was you know what i mean like because it takes so much confidence and like so much um star quality to come in there like her oh fourth time hosting and knowing you felt on her in her in her energy the being there with you that a her number one goal was servicing that sketch which meant honoring like what was happening for you in it and she was so there right next to you but be the like positivity she had that she's going to come back and do that show many many other times because not every host would be like, yeah, let me give up the whole last sketch

of this six minutes of the time for this cast member, but it was her and she did that. And it's not only because she's a good friend, it's because she's a really professional host who doesn't have like an ego about her time there, which I think is like pretty cool and worth calling out. And the fact that Cher did not have to walk her ass out there. No. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wali. And I'm Hurricane Dibolu. It's a new year.

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Oh, and the share thing. Well, okay, I'll get to the share thing. I want to say in terms of the sketch itself like my only wish is that like we had gotten like a bunch of other cast in there ideally the entire cast in there because it is just like me just like I don't know not imparting anything but it's just like I want to be there

with like the other people it did just come down to logistics like we did we had like Mikey and Sarah there in the back just like cleaning up the mess oh and so like the agnog machine was supposed to like be on the fritz and like spray everywhere it was supposed to spray Keeney It was supposed to spray Jane.

It was supposed to spray the people it was spraying. It just kind of got... Too much. It got to be too much. And Lauren came up to me and Celeste before the show, after dress. And he was just like, I think it's better. It's just you guys.

And you just play into the emotion of it. He was right. And then Celeste and I were like, Lauren Michaels knows how to produce. So Celeste came back to write that. Celeste came back to write that. We wrote some other stuff too. We wrote a share family reunion.

which I'm so sad. Oh, this is a thing. Well, we'll get to share later. This is the thing. You are still getting shit cut at the end. Of course. It's totally, totally fine. They were not like, well, you can have this, but you can't have everything.

I never look. And I'm always like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, cut my stuff. Like, Keenan still has his stuff cut. Yeah. It's not a thing. You don't, I don't necessarily think. You don't get a platinum card at the show.

No. And my other thing was, like, there was like a soft thing maybe where like I would get like, there was a designated, like, I was talking to dismiss about this and James, Austin Johnson about this. Like, it did feel like I would get, like, there would be like a designated Bowen spot in the list of picks on Wednesday. And I'm like, that's also my cue to leave. Like, I do not want the footprint to be edging out other people.

Literally, I'm honest to God. That's really noble. That was it. Not everyone has that feeling. I was just like, no, no, no, no, no. That can't be it. Yeah. You know when it's time to go.

Right. I'm like, this is, this is. Taylor Swift said that. You, Taylor Swift, that legend. So anyway, the heiress tour documentary, can you imagine? Yes, I can. I can. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So many other things. Wait. Oh, yes. I wish there were other cast in that piece.

We did just have to like. But if there had to be one. If there had to be one. No, stop. Keenan. He was in it. Oh, my God, Keenan. I was so happy they did that. Come on. I mean, yeah.

Everybody. And, like, I don't know, man. That is a really, I can't believe I got to work there. And I said in the sketch, that is the thing that I will, like, keep saying. Like, I can't believe. It feels like it happened to someone else. I'm so glad it happened to me. I am going to pull you into this experience because I got to tell Jenna Rositano, the stage manager there.

One of the many wonderful stage managers there. She's an icon. She's an icon. But I, she kind of cried the hardest out of anybody besides Ari. I was like, Jenna, you, well, first of all, she said something that, like, destroyed me, which was, and this is not me, like, bragging, she just goes, I never, she goes, she goes to me, she's seen a lot of behavior on that floor. She's like, I've never seen you raise your voice or be unkind to anyone in the seven years that you were here, which, like, it means a lot to me. Yeah. It means a lot to me. Well, that's why everyone hit the floor when you, when you were.

leaving, Beau. But I told her, I was like, Jenna, from the very first time I met you, you were just so kind to me because I came down to the hallway outside of the studio just to like, right by cue cards, because you could kind of hear what's going on on stage. I was, I came down to the floor to listen to your screen test because I was, I just wanted to, I just wanted to like be close and just like, I don't know, send energy or something. And then she was there and she was like, are you lost? And I was like, no, no, I just, my best friend in the whole world is on stage right now.

And I just want to, I just want to see how he's doing. And then she completely breaks down. She's like, that's your best friend up there? Well, then stay as long as you want. And just she, I see her as like a bridge. I don't know, like, I always think of you when I'm with her. And I always think about how khanji was to me and how she loves you. I know. I wish I could see her. She loves you. We will go.

We will go back. She wants to get stoned and watch the Sopranos and make lasagna for us. Oh my God. That sounds fucking awesome. She's amazing. Jenna Rossitano. Jenna Rossitano. Watching it getting stone, getting ripped and watching the Sopranos. She's the fucking bad. Everyone is just, oh God. I'm sorry I'm a mess. I mean, no. I mean like it is it is such a crazy thing in totality.

Like there have been so many moments where. I'm watching it and I'm like I can't believe this is happening I can't believe this is happening and then at some point that transition to like me like completely just like marinating in this experience

and then like it of watching you do this show and then it ended in that moment and I was like I was like alone watching it which felt so crazy and like of course all of our friends are texting me from the dressing room and like they're all there and I could like smell it and feel it I could feel how hot

it was in the room like and I was just like God like it really is but it didn't feel it felt conclusive it did not feel final oh interesting you know what I mean like it felt like it was like a wonderful way for this to conclude this chapter but it didn't feel like you'll be back on that show hosting like you know what I mean? And I think it's so great that you get to have this great relationship with the show and everyone that works there. And yeah, I mean, just for it to end that wonderfully, I think gives all the validity to what Jenna is saying. It would not have been that way had you not done it like a pro, like a kind person and like a talent, like the talent that you are. So I take my hat and all my clothes off to you.

Oh. I'm naked. If you can't see, I'm completely nude. I've been completely nude doing this interview, this exit interview title of VEP with Bowen. Is there anything else you want to say about it before we talk about heated rivalry or whatever the fuck? Yes. I need to just point out the share element of it, which was we weren't sure if she was going to do it, down to like Saturday. Yeah. Because it was like, we wrote a bunch of different versions of it. and she you know she just wanted spare dialogue

because it's like a she will tell you she's a dyslexic icon yes oh my god wait we also haven't talked about her memoir which whatever

well we will Stephanie J. Block doing the it trades off between Share and Stephanie J. Block doing the reading together because she's like you're going to notice that someone besides me

is on the audiobook and it's the wonderful Stephanie J. Block who played me in the share show or whatever. By the way, okay, we were a gig. What a gig to score for Stephanie J. Block yet again. Such a gig. We were to share family reunion. It did not get me.

It did not go, but I, but Celeste and I had the perfect experience of running around on Wednesday to all the cast offices because they're like, I don't have a share. I'm like, ah, straight people don't have a share. Gay guys do. Yeah, every gay guy has a share. Every gay guy has the same share. Oh!

Oh! You know what I mean? Like, they kind of, understood what that was. Snap out of it. I had to tell them about Snap out of it, but it's like, I had to teach Ashley Padilla. You had to tell people about Snap Out of it? It was beautiful.

Oh, no, no, I didn't have to tell them about Snap Out of it. You forget that people just don't know the culture anymore. People just don't know the culture. And this is not a, this is not to, to, like, evaluate anything about Cher's legacy or cultural impact. It's just that, like, it's a gay guy thing to, like, have Cher in their bones. Anyway, we weren't sure if Sher was going to do it. And then Saturday she confirms, we're so excited.

And then she, you know, she was always going to be the boss. But then, like, we wrote her, like, some zingy, like, roasty lines. Like, the original line was something along the lines of, like, I was like, do you have any feedback for me? And she would say something like, you know, even for me, you were a little bit too gay or something like that. But then she was like, I want to, I don't, she was like, I want to be kind. She was like, can I just say, like, you were perfect? And she was like, I just want, I just want to kiss him or something. And then like, and then we had to go and like pitch to her that she would maybe sing if we would love for if she sang with us at the end.

Yeah. And because that was a question mark too. And then we go down. I go to her dressing room. Oh, man. And I was like, so it's, please come up from Christmas by the Eagles and Charles Brown and you've covered it. And I love your cover of it on the album. She was like, okay, but what part do you want me to sing?

And I was like, it's just going to be the end. So do you want to run it? And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, there'll be no more sorrow, no grief and pain. And then as far away from me as this microphone is, she's like, she's like this close to me. And then with the full force of share. Oh, my God. She goes, don't be happy Christmas.

That's a, I wasn't like that. She did not crap. But she just gave me full, full force share directed out. like, it felt like a card crashed into me. I was, yeah, I'm like, I can't believe, I can't believe every second of that. She did that. Yeah. Anyway, that's all I have to say.

Let's talk heated rivalry. He has ended the conversation, everybody, even though this was my interview. Oh, well, anything else you want to ask? You've been so Thursday. Not really. I do know all of it. Like I said, you get shocked me with anything. Yeah. I don't know. Is there anything else? I mean, not really. I guess what's next for you?

Oh. What is next for you? Wait. What's next? Should we say anything? Wonderful things. Well, I love this like press run of like Bowen's first major project post-S&L is two guys five race. Oh, I love it. Not that I'm not honored to have that technically be the first project post-S&L, but it's like, well, let's not. Yeah, the Olympics podcast we're doing. I mean, we are going to Milan. We actually, we have a very fun next few months. Yes. So it's funny because, like, we do have to, we have to execute this movie.

Yes. We have to write our book. Yes. We got to get the new culture awards together. That's going to be very fun. We have to, we have some other things that have not hit the trades. But there's a long list of things. And so that's another thing is I was like,

to be honest with you, it like really wasn't tenable for you to keep working on the show because we're going to be in debt soon to these people. Which is so exciting, I think. It's like there is, it's not even like, what's the next act? It's like there is a next act. Just wait. Like it's like you don't have to decide on anything. If you added things to our and your plate, that would be great.

But you don't even need to, bitch. And I just want to make sure that you know that the pace at which you've been going in the workload that you've had, has been abnormal and so it's gonna feel a little bit like less and i just i feel like as someone who it's really interesting because like i have had this whole other like career outside of like what you've had like i feel like you got to develop for such for seven and a half years at this show and like everything and my resume is like a little bit different like for me it's like a ton of other things. And I've had a lot of different experiences. And you're, you are so perfect at all of them. But, well, I do think that sometimes it was a little bit like, because it's like when

you are right next to someone else, like all you have to do is like compare yourself to them. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like with like sisters or like twins. It's like if something happens to one, the other one almost feels like, why isn't it happening to me? So I do feel like sometimes I would like overcorrect and like really, really, really push myself to make sure that like I would develop in an equal way alongside of you. And like in so many ways I feel like, and it doesn't really matter what I feel like because as a result of existing and working and caring, you do develop. But just outside of all that, like one thing that I've had to learn and I think now you'll be forced to learn is bad. balance. Yes. Like, and I think that, I hope that excites you and doesn't start to make you anxious and nervous. I'm sure it will at certain point. I just, I'm telling you, like, you can

always tell me if it does, and you can always vocalize to like, on camera, I'll say this, like, you're a therapist and stuff like that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, be checking in about what it's going to feel like to suddenly not have an abnormal schedule. Truly, you know, I'm on it. Like, I think it's going to be okay. I, I think, it's going to be okay. I, I think, I will make room for, like, moments where it feels really bizarre or maybe even bad. You should be bored. I can't. Oh, don't even worry.

Well, the thing is, it's so funny because, like, literally, we're not. Like, so you're, we're going to Tokyo. We're going, we're going to Japan. We're going to Milan. We're full on continuing this podcast, like, full steam ahead. We got a new contract and everything, bitch. We got a new set. And can I just say

I want a new picture Yeah, we're gonna get a new picture We tried this one I like it But let's let's we need to see our faces more You this was so iconic The one of us naked and like this And you were like that

Was so iconic that I feel like Did we go back to it? I don't think we go back to it I think we have a picture that works Okay I think maybe we do an animation on it Oh But anyway so this is just for us

But what I was saying was like You're gonna You're gonna go to Tell everyone where you're going after Milan. I am going to Santiago and then through Drake's Passage, Antarctica

with my parents because that is, I'm going to say it's my mom's dream. Antarctica trip with my parents is so crazed. We're going to see the penguins. We're going to get our sea legs. I think I'm going to vom on this boat. Are you, do you get seasick?

The water's rough. The roughest waters. Damn. It's the roughest waters. But oh my God, I'm going to see. We have to like order like special parkas for this. Like my mom, when she came, when they came for Thanksgiving, they stayed with me. And my mom was just like, whatever, like helping me clean the apartment.

But it's just like on loop the entire time. We're just on an auto mixed playlist, just content about this boat in Antarctica, people and steerage, just like vomiting. Like this is, she needs. needs this to happen and I need it to happen. I think this is what I'm saying. I'm like fire hosing myself with new experiences. So how many continents will that mean you've visited? Five? Um, the only one that I'll have not visited by the end will be Africa. You've been to South America? I will, Santiago. Oh, right. So yes, of course. So that'll, that's Chile. That's Chile.

Yeah. So that'll check too. Anyway, I've randomly been to South America. I've randomly been to Bogota. Right. By the way. Oh my God. That's right. Speaking of South America. So all this Venezuela stuff. Stuff. Do you know my aunt used to live in Venezuela? No, shut up. Aunt Chrissy. What? Yeah. So, what does she think about all this? She's like, so I asked her, I was like,

I was like, so what are your friends they're thinking? And she was like, honestly, like, they're free, they're relieved. But she also's like, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks, like, because certainly chaos is going to break out, like. Well, this is all worked out so great in the past. when we've been a part of regime change.

Exactly. I mean, but the thing is like, and I've seen some friends of mine who are Venezuelan are like sort of saying like, you know, if you don't understand this, like don't say anything. It's not as simple as like, like, well, I do. All of it, no. My one friend shared like, you know,

if you're drowning and someone throws you a life raft, you don't question where it came from. It just, you just take it. And Venezuela has been drowning. So that was like a take I hadn't considered because, you know, the vast response to it is like, this is illegal what he's, done. This is, you know, this is exactly like Iraq, you know, this, et cetera. And I think all those

things are true. But it's been an interesting perspective to literally ask my, I mean, so my aunt was married to a guy from Venezuela back when they were a wealthy country. I didn't realize Chrissy was down there. So she was her, my, um, my former uncle, Maurice, like, they were married and they got divorced because he was an asshole. But they were wealthy. And then Venezuela, was at one time, like prosperous. So she's still got friends back from that era. And they are not feeling like that anymore. Like, it's gone off a cliff, like, under, like, the regime of the past, like, 30 years.

But it's been an interesting thing, like, just to look a little bit beyond the initial reactions to what's going on. It is yet another complicated international moment. But, yeah, it's just been really interesting. And I realized I had, like, like, a literal resource to people there. Yeah. Yeah. You and Chanel should trade spots on the today. You should be behind the desk. I should go to the regular.

I should become a real journalist. Yeah. I mean, not no. I almost did. You know I went, you know that I was initially, yes, you were journalism. I thought I wanted to be Ryan Sechrest. You?

Even though he's not really a journalist. Yes, sure he is. I don't know. Is Ryan Sechrist a journalist? So I initially, I was like, I want to go to school for broadcast journalism. So I could hopefully one day get like a radio show and then maybe host something like American Idol. This is before, but the whole time underneath that I wanted to be an actor.

Yes. Low key like a singer. And so like that was always buried underneath what I could package me wanting to be in the entertainment industry with, which was at first broadcast journalism because that didn't seem too gay. Of course. And then comedy because that really didn't seem gay. that seemed like edgy and fun and something that like I could tell straight men

and straight people in my life that I was doing and it was cool. It's like a way to be on stage that's not gay. Right. But I eventually like realized I am gay. Isn't that the tension with...

Suti has this, right? Like you just want to tell like any guy who like doesn't see it as theater or you're like, it's theater. Yeah. It's like you're during, something gay, dude. You're doing something gay. You're up on stage being like, hey, I'm in a full face of makeup, like, and I'm miced. You know how gay it is to get mic? To get mic. Someone has to run a cord

down your shirt. It's so much. And then they have to like look, they have to like meticulously work on your collar. It's like gay. Yeah. Well, even just like a stool and a water bottle. Yeah. That's still technically considered like set. A stool is one of the gayest chairs. It's real culture number 11. A stool is one of the gayest chairs. A stool is one of the gay. Gayest chairs. It's one of the gayest chairs. Ariana Grande sat on one or kneeled on one for her second album. And gay culture was never the same.

And gay culture was never the same. What's your favorite Ariana album? Oh, that's so hard. Production on Ontario. And why is it sweetener? Just kidding. No, I mean, come on. It's actually positions.

You love positions. I'm a dangerous woman. Stand forever. Freak forever. Love dangerous woman. And nobody going to touch. Is she coming back on the show? Can we use text her?

Yeah, well, text her. Well, I was going to say. She obviously, if she doesn't do the culture awards this year, it's because she's got a million other things going on. She obviously wants to do it. Oh, my God. By the way, you know what? Just came out and we didn't even realize the SAG nominations.

Oh. Should we read them live? Let's read them. Okay, wait, this is exciting. Before we do this, did you watch the like Critics' Choice and everything? I did not watch the Critics' Choice. It's looking like Ms. Madigan has taken that Academy Award, babe. Jacob, surprise.

Yeah, huge surprise. Huge surprise. Okay, what is this? This says, oh, to be revealed on Wednesday. Okay. Sorry, guys. No problem. So they'll be out today for listening to this in the morning.

But yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not watch Critics' Choice, but... I watched it. What are your thoughts? Um, so the winners were Chalameh. I think it's his year. Shalamee, Jesse. Jesse Buckley. I haven't seen Hamnet because I want to like, so this is the thing. Do you want to watch it? You should watch it on the plane to Tokyo.

Maybe I will. Yeah. I just, I need to be in the clear. I'm a little bit emotionally raw right now. Yes, yes. And, um, I need to be in the clear with something like that. Totally. It's another. And you know what I'm realizing? It's like, it has to be the right time for me with some of these movies. I understand. Hamnet, I was going to go see at like a screening

and I was like, oh, I just don't think it's like the right time I'm going to be destroyed so I didn't get to see it. And also, I can't find four hours to devote to Avatar. I can't, I at the present time, can't do it. I understand. Because it's a three hours, I had tickets. Right.

We were going to go with the band. Yes. On the road. And I was like, with our precious time here between rehearsing and traveling and doing shows like to watch a three-hour 17-minute movie that's going to have over half an hour of previews and then you have to get there or whatever. That's like an almost four-and-a-half-hour commitment. Yeah.

And I don't know what it is. I always enjoy the Avatar movies. You know my baby is strong. My baby is strong. I hear the whales have a great dialogue in this one. And that's going to help me get there. It is. I also heard this Una Chaplin.

Una Chaplin. And the character she plays? Pro Yang, Pravong. Who's seen the movie? You have? Varang! Does she give? I hear she gives.

I hear Varang is the star. All right, well, I'm gonna go. It's just that there hasn't been ample time. I've been, I've weirdly, like, not stopped being busy. That's so weird of you. Yes, of course. We all know this. Like, the tour, just to speak on the tour,

the tour was like the best version of the tour ever. And I'm really... I didn't even give you. the space and the flowers. Congratulations. It's like not my day. Christmas and December. Yes, it is. It's your day. No, it's both of our days.

I have had a very interesting several months. Yes, you have. The tour was the saving grace that it always is for me. It like has, it was the best version of it ever. You sounded amazing.

And this was my first year where I wasn't able to see it live, which I am very sad about. It's all good because I literally spoke to our agent last night. So candidly, like, six weeks ago, I was like, maybe this is it. I was like, maybe this is the last year. Because I was just, it's a lot. You know what? Like, I'll just like on up to this. Like, I've been feeling, I've been feeling a more self-conscious and a little bit more vulnerable to people's opinion. And I think that, like, one of the things that happened when I was doing the tour is I was just like just there with me and the

band which is like we're such like a literal like unit on the road we have so much fun this was the most fun year yet and everyone that had come to pace and see that show and like I felt such like a duty to make it the best one yet and I think that was what was giving me such anxiety was I felt like this weird combination of like self-consciousness about whether I was going to be able to deliver a product that is good enough for me to show everyone and get people out buying tickets

and still come into the show. But also that was like in the face of me being really like, like I hate to say it, but like caring what people thought and were saying and like just super aware that like, I think that what you, you experienced like four years ago, or maybe four or five years ago with becoming like a lot more recognizable, I experienced in the past like year.

Yeah. Like, and I also, I always try to like shy away from saying something like that because again, I compare myself to someone like you who's like much, much more recognizable and much, much has much, much more notoriety because of the platform that you're on. But I also like, it wasn't serving me to deny that my. reality was changing because it did and like a lot of the things that people will say online when they're really mean is like he is no talent like he's just writing on bowen's coattails the most untrue and the thing is like with the show and like when i the concert yeah with my like my

Christmas show yeah and um with like you know being involved in things with people um even just doing things like today's show, like being on Palm Royale, like I was in that movie, Good Fortune, like, you know what I mean? Like, I've had a busy year and doing the cultural awards, like, was so edifying and came, I just ended the year being like, all that is

such bullshit. Like, this is what I'm supposed to be doing and I will always do. I never in the beginning when I was developing myself and my talent and my career ever had any doubts about that. And then suddenly, like, I don't know if it's because of the cultural awards,

truly took me for a ride and I had to re-examine a lot about my anxiety and stuff like that and whether or not I enjoyed a lot of the elements that come along with putting yourself out there and being in the entertainment industry, I can fully confidently say at the end of this year that as long as I keep the focus on what matters, which is the work, and how I'm making people feel and how I'm feel doing something, I have no doubt in my mind that I love this and that I will always do it. But I was having a hard time. I understand. And I also just want to say you were meant for this. You are the funniest, most talented person, I know. That's subjective and you are biased because we have a new contract. Best work ethic. What's that? We have a new contract. And so he has to

I have to say this. He has to say that. I actually made sure that was in the contract. And I was happy to sign. Now say my mild time. Mile time is 4. 36. Very good. But anyway. recurring joke on two guys five rings. I So what I mean to say is I literally have the conversation with our touring agent Joe last night that we're going to do it again. Yes! So like, so I'm going to do it again and I'm always going to do it

probably in some. As long as as Henry Keperski doesn't bail on me and he already texted me like literally the day or two after the tour ended and he was like I already have so many ideas for next year. I'm so excited. Oh, I love this. And that was so different than what the energy was like three or four years ago. Or you would end things.

He fully told me like, I don't want to do it again. I feel like we need to leave a good thing. Right. And then I was like, just give me one more year. I was like, you know, I'll, I will train my voice with a, with a coach so that you don't have to do it or get me ready as much. Like, I'll come to rehearsals really prepared. I will, I will work on, you know, it was hard when it was just he and I. Of course. You know what I mean? Like it was, he was, he was my ex-boyfriend. Right. It was just he and I traveling around the country. And I was like, not the train singer I am now. You know what I mean? And so sometimes tech was hard or whatever, but I worked on it

really hard and I've worked on myself really hard. And I'm finally doing things like without saying too much like recently that really put me first and have a belief in my self-worth. And I'm so serious this year. I'm not, I'm not engaging with the online discourse. I'll say something about that. It does not serve me. And it doesn't serve you. No, of course. But the thing about you, it being just you and Henry, like this is something that even I forgot, but that is like the gumption and the resourcefulness and like the like self-leaning

thing that you've had to like depend on for all these years. Like, Matt, you've like, think of like how that's developed over like the past five years. Like that is so incredible. really makes me feel like anything is possible with people in your life because like he and I are truly like soul connected in terms of like what we create

and what we do and sometimes when I'm doing the show especially towards the end of the tour like I'll look back at him and I'll be like I can't believe that's still that person I know you know what I mean like I cannot believe that that person is still around especially after like you know

how stupid you are when you're like 26 27 years old and how you treat people that are close to you and how like you really have to like stick with people especially like through your late 20s early 30s and then not everyone is supposed to stick around no but i'm like so happy that he has and it connects me to Ethan his partner now who's like makes my tour better he's the tour manager etc um i've had like no emotional release um since then so it's like because I stayed really busy and just like a lot's been going on

but yeah like I just I'm super grateful I'm super grateful that everything shook out with obviously with that project but with him I mean that's really the most important thing like at the end of the show like the band takes a bow

and then I make sure that just Henry and I take a bow because like he truly like you know you guys people that know know the lore, know the lore. The lore is truly profound.

It's like you guys really boosted each other up from, like, what didn't seem like any sort of like, I don't know, like, low point, but it's like, we, we were all like, we didn't really know, like, how, and that's a beautiful thing. We didn't really know how much we were, like, struggling. And it wasn't even, I don't want to frame it as a struggle either. We were just, like, working really hard. Like, we did not. Yeah.

We did not come from this with, like, I don't know, like, with too many, like, blessings besides, like, the obvious ones. And, like, this is, this is, not to make this about me, but this is, like, our dichotomy, you and I is always, and I, and I feel completely great about this. Like, I feel like I see, like, my track on, like, in the last seven years as, like, me being a part of something that, like, affords me a lot of things and you being almost exclusively a self-starter like you get to look at this tour as like your creation you're and henry's beautiful thing that you've built together and i get to be like oh i've i had a great time on this thing that like on this very well oiled machine well we started this girl that's true and even i think we take this for granted a lot for sure i think we take this for granted a lot and I feel like

you know this is like the this is the first episode of the 10th year of the podcast and that's like crazy and I think the reason we don't think of it sometimes as like even though we do a lot of work for it sometimes I don't realize how much work I'm doing for it like you know what I mean like sometimes I'm like whoa like

I just spent hours like working on the podcast and I think because it's rude in something that is so easy, which is, like, talking to you and, like, our friendship. But, um, I am sensitive about this. Like, I'm really sensitive about this podcast. And what I guess what I want people to know is, like, like, we are working so hard. And we're still, even before we started rolling, we sat here for, like, 10 minutes being,

like, what, like, really thinking about the color of the chairs for the set. You know what I mean? Like, really caring about and who we put on this podcast. and what we share and we try to get out of them. And how we deliver it to you, I mean, I will be transparent and say that Matt and I have turned down. Many people. Not people.

I'm saying a lot of money for deals where, like, it would compromise the way that this gets delivered. I'm just going to, we're just going to, are we, are we, I feel like I feel fine. I feel good about saying that. Like, because it is true. And this is, I guess, again, what I want to say is that like, we have earned the right to do this the way we want to do it.

Absolutely. so fucking looting. That being said. That being said. Let's talk about some culture. Last thing I'll say about like the, like, what's being said and like being sensitive to that. The reason why I was also very emotional, the last show and just seeing like that sort of thing being like directed in my way, that kind of that outpouring, as I said earlier, of love. Yeah.

Is because it completely undid this other narrative that was running parallel in my mind. Yeah. the very vocal loud one whereas I think the loved one is like was there all along I just wasn't attuned to it but the vocal loud other track that was going on was like yeah but listen like everyone who works at that show

engages on different levels with like the comments right it gets to us because it's weekend or week out and you really don't ever get a break to be like oh let me not engage no and they're so consistent and even the alums are like I don't know how you guys do it now like yeah there would be like one review in New York Magazine on Sunday,

and then that would be in everyone going on about their lives. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyankowali. And I'm Hurricane de Bolu. It's a new year. And on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health.

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and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and empowered. New Year, Real You. Listen to Checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember it? Years ago, Tina Faye, like, won an Emmy. And she used, I remember at the time watching it. And her speech was mostly used to respond to online commenters.

She's a whole chapter in Bosse fans about it. Yes. And I realize now that that was not purely ironic. No. No. And that's okay. It's okay because this doesn't make any fucking sense. The way that anyone, that, that, that,

We have, that we are openly available to read anyone else's thoughts. Yeah. About what we do. And, yeah. And so this is what I'll say about, like, the commenters for me, which is, like, I feel like I was really bogged down the entire time I was there about, like, the idea that, like, there was no range in anything I did. That's just such a lazy critique.

Well, it's just, there's, it's not lazy. It's just, it makes sense in terms of, like, they're being, like, there being like an indigestion as it were with like receiving me where I'm like I knew I was never going to play the dad I was never going to play you know the generic thing in sketches where it's a sketch show each thing is like four minutes long it is short and collapsed by sort of necessity and so therefore it plays on archetypes these archetypes are also in a relationship with like generic things and there is a genericism in whiteness and in like being like a canvas to like build upon and like I had like I came in

sort of like pre stretched pre died whatever you know like people had their overdeterminations on like what I was which was like oh that's just the gay Asian guy in SNL and so anytime I would try to like work outside of that it got completely ignored or it still got collapsed to oh he's an Asian he's he's being gay Asian as always so many things that were first of all it is I don't think people necessarily know they're being homophobic when they say that shit. Oh, they're 100%. But it is because I'm sorry, but if you don't have range... I think range is a myth and it's all about like palatibility, whether there's a serp...

Whether you're getting taxed on it or you are subsidized. You know what I mean? Did they knock Pete Davidson for range? Or does he get to get away with it because it's cool and like within a male gays? Sorry. Is that wrong or right? I could teach like a media studies like seminar about this, I think. I bet you should.

Both of us, could. I'll be the TA, because you know what? They do? Nothing. They have no range. And so this is the thing. I just bring this up because that is one little thing that I wanted to, like, that I'm getting so much clarity on.

It's the reason why I've been so emotional about the post, like the post script of this. You talking about all the work you put into the tour, into your projects, into this show, that is all running counter. That is the panacea to all of that noise. It's not real. It's not real and it's so easily debunked. That's what drives me crazy is I know I could log on and kill these people in a second. Of course.

And George, George Tavares was saying this on Straday Lab. It's like there's like a phenomenon going on now where like there's like a, it's kind of like pluribus. It's like there's like the remaining people, there's like a survivorship thing happening where it's like the remaining people in the comments are either. they're like clearly bots or clearly mentally ill. Or truly children. Or 12. As Lucy Dicke says, they're all 12. There's one person online who constantly comes from me.

And I realized recently that they're 13. Right. It became very clear to me that they were a kid. And I was just like, oh, God, how much brain space have I been angry at this 13-year-old? And you know they're failing pre-algebra. It's sad. It's like, oh, the fact that you're a... obsessed with me means that you are not doing well, you're not selling Girl Scout cookies

this year. I mean, and that my thing is just like, and I, and I don't, I'm not, we're not dunking on that person. No, no, no, it's just the fact is what it is. You're just 13 on the internet. So, and you have every right to do that. I am an idiot for investing in it and like it's an opinion, but I was using the fucking Reddit as a report card. No, no, no, no. And you can't do that. First of all, that Reddit, because I'm a port card kid. I'm invisible to that Reddit. Meanwhile, they're all like,

I don't get it. We need Matt's takes on heated rivalry. Oh, I'm on the- So you did recently look at it. I did. I'm like, I'm on this show too, by the way. Whenever they just mentioned me, do you know what I think it is?

It's because they love, they attach. I think that I am, I feel more accessible to them because I'm not actually A-list famous. And I also think, I think they think they know what you think about heated rivalry. Let's get into it.

Sure. Here's the thing about heated rivalry. A show can be so amazing and incredible, even if there is virtually zero conflict in it. I fucking love it. I'm obsessed with the show. I'm obsessed with the show. Did you ever come to the show?

I never touched my dick once. I think I paused, walked around, like, had a snack, then I jerked off. It wasn't like, oh, let me, you know what? Before I watched it, I jerked off to it because I was like, I'm not going to watch that. Might as well just use it what it's for. Porn.

Because I had been told so many times this is porn. Right. And then I was like, wow, this is a cultural phenomenon I must pay attention to. You cannot. Because suddenly, it was all over my algorithm, someone that hadn't even watched it. I was like, okay, the world is deciding it's this. It was as big as White Lotus. I would say so.

So finally I watch it. here's my two takes. That's not porn. I did not think that. I thought it was explicit. I did not think it was grotesque. It did not feel too much. I wasn't,

maybe I just watched too much porn. I wasn't like clutching my pearls watching it. I was like, oh, this looks like hot sex to me, hot movie sex to me. I was like, oh, look at the framing on that. There's a lot of negative space above their asses. You don't see that that often. Can I say something?

it is all love to Jordan Firstman and I think he's probably sorry he said this about like gay guys don't have sex like that like I don't need to see someone pull out their dick and a little bit of poop on it like I'm sorry that's what gay sex is like I don't need that in Heated Rivalry the Romance show

This is the other thing This is also like dovetails on my on my first comment about Heavid rivalry which is like no conflict It's because it is a fantasy And it's because it's this is like the romance genre It's like every word every detail is engineered to make you obsessed with it.

Yep. And it worked. And it worked. And welcome to the Fujoshi community. Like, I've known about this world since I was 12 on fictionpress.com where the people who were writing the best Yawi gay shit were women. Listen, I think... Eskarella, if you're still out there, she was the queen of Yaui fiction. And I was like, oh, it's...

Oh, the straight cis women love this. the gay stuff and are the best at writing it for some reason. Rachel Reed. First of all, she has imagination in writing about it. And then like a gay man did create the show and so he is in charge of like the way it disseminates from the page of the novel to the screen

and he did an amazing job. And I do think he's being erased a little bit in this commentary about like, oh, oh. No, no, no. It's straight guys playing those roles. My second point is you do not know that they're not gay. Totally. And I don't care. Oh, but also, I don't care.

I don't think, well, at this point, it's like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, so, de moa, so demois, so demois fucking, like, docks shit about Hudson. They're on the way down. I'm like, they're on the way down. First of all, they fucking, demas and page six are just spewing lies that, like, my PR team has been, like, that's not true. I did not get a lot of money thrown at me. No, he did not. Which is all good.

Still did it. Still loved it. Yeah. I don't have some like development deal coming. Trying to make this whole thing out of how there was so much drama about me leaving the show about how Lauren was pissed. It's all good. I clearly. Otherwise that none of that would have happened.

That would not have made it to television if Lauren was pissed to me. Whatever. It's fucking idiots. Including just whatever. I don't think so funny. I'm pissed at Dumas because years ago they did like a celebrity who's nice, who's naughty list. And they said I was naughty. I'm nice to literally every single person I mean.

I literally, I, I, I, I, I don't know where they got that. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all the fucking morass. Oh, I'm ashamed by that mention. Anyway, anyway, anyway, um, okay, but, uh, uh, uh, the target keeps moving. But don't you, and do you say that because it's like, it's like the, the, the, the fervor about the show. Yes. Is like, I obviously think it means that like, it means a really good thing. in that we can actually have because we're always saying the reason why they won't do stuff

with like gay stories is because we feel there's an ick factor around gay sex right like it feels like outside of the straight male gays in a way that's like too uncomfortable there's abject theory right and now it's like here we are here we are it's like huge like literally huge so i think that's that's good but like i think the fact that we don't exactly necessarily have a finger on their sexuality allows that to be true because I think if that's too explicit gay guys like you had scenes that were just as hot as that in a show that was quote unquote better than that with fellow travelers and no one said a word we didn't even totally like and those were too out gay guys of course yeah I mean there's certainly

something there I mean there's a dialectic in this for sure where it's like people are like It should only, it should only be in the bedroom. Well, that's like a fucking Republican talking point. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, let's like, we got to figure out. Like, it lives in the middle of like they should share everything about their sexuality and their sexual lives in real life. And they should share nothing. It's like whatever.

It's like, they performed it so well. They was great. Like, first of all, Connor's story, mark my words, he will win an Oscar one day. It's phenomenal. He is really talented. And I love Hudson's performance too. Hudson. And like, he is the one that makes me really horny.

Oh, it's the nipple. It honestly is. He's got very unique nipples. Very red. That reminds me of Chad Michael Murray years ago. Did he have pepperoni? They were like appetizer plates. Yum me.

They were huge red and more. They literally were, I remember there was it. He was always like, he was so hot. Chad Michael Murray. He actually was one of those guys when I was like coming of age and like getting into my sexuality that would make me angry. Another one, Justin Timberlake, red nipples. They were red.

Red or pink? Can we look it up? Matt. Matt is over there. Can someone just Google Justin Timberlake Nipples? They just sold their New York City apartment for $40 million. That seems like too much. Feels like trouble in Paradise.

Oh, okay. What are we, Dumois? Yeah, I guess so. Well, they're on the way out. Should we just be Dumois now? Dumois's over. Dimois over. Oh, we would love to be Des Mois.

We're not some, like, anonymous gossip girlie wannabe. Like, she, I can't stand. But anyway, yeah, no, there's something about Hudson that just like, was like immediately. Sure, totally. Oh, he's so sweet. So we wrote two versions of Bowenest straight for the last two shows. One with Josh O'Connor, where we do a Challenger's moment with Lilia.

I can't believe they didn't do this. I read the script. It was a dumb decision. We got to have him say. It was like, you know, we got him to say, and he was laughing through this thing. Those are pink. Those are not red.

Oh, this is no strings attached. I know every screen grab. I just a number like nipple without the Janet Jackson thing. Oh, of course. The Janet Jackson thing keeps popping up if you Google. I think Hudson's are more red. I think CMMs, Chad Michael Murray's are, I can picture him having red nibble.

Hudson's are red. Oh, I can't believe we're talking about his complex. It's not. It's friends with benefits. That's right. It's right. It's friends with benefits. That's right.

By the way, you've Googled this, and it's from Instagram, and it's just a fan pages screenshot of this, and the caption is this. Justin Timberlake's shirtless is one of the best parts of the movie Friends with Benefits. So sexy, Hart. Thank you, Anna. Thank you so much. What was I going to say?

The heated rivalry of it all. What I was going to say was, I don't care that if they're gay or not. They performed it with honesty and they were really committed and they have unbelievable chemistry. I don't care that they don't come out and say what their sexuality is because what's important is the representation that is on the screen. Right. Like I think it's becoming a little bit narcissistic for actors to be like, no, it needs to be me that does it. It needs to be me that does it. It needs to be honest. It's just like it gets to a point sometimes with sexuality where I'm like, guys, We're putting the cart for the course

a little bit here. Like, we have to make them first. If they don't exist. Period. Well, my thing is, and I might, this will probably, you know, get some sort of,

please write in. Please talk me down from this, y'all, listeners, readers, Katie's Puppus, Spinal Sciles. I feel like performing sexuality or queerness is like

because queerness is like an internal experience like it's different than like oh well this person ethnically should be played by this ethnic person that I totally right make sense to me I think there's more room to like I don't know

be like not necessarily exactly it's like well what's you know I'll like I don't know if Connor is bye you know it's like would it be better if Connor was gay or if Connor was bi you know what I mean like this is where we start splitting hairs and so then so then my thing is always it's an interior experience, therefore it's okay, but also, you know, this other thing of like, we're not supporting gay creators, well, I don't know, like, we're perfect

examples. It's like anytime we get a press release announcement for something we're working on, people fucking melt down about it. The ones on gay Twitter who just can't stand that we have anything. It's fine. It's like... It is what it is, but like don't pretend that you're rooting for gay guys. All the time. Like, don't pretend you're rooting for gay guys when like Bone Yang takes the fucking shit and it's, he can't do anything like. Right, exactly. So that's my, that's my like,

stitched together take. My other thing about heated rivalry, which I go back and forth on whether I love or if I'm like, huh, as like, this story takes place over like seven years, all the needle drops for songs from 2007. It's like,

give me your eyes, I need a sunshine. It's like why, that's playing in a scene that's happening in like 2017. No problem. There's a little bit of a vibe of hunting wives where you can tell it's so, it's a little...

By the way, I think both produced by three arts. Love it. It's just a little cheaply done. No! What? Oh, yeah, you're right. Even Francois No was like, all this Miley Cyrus stuff, it's like, we don't have a Miley budget

for like her to write a song for us. Right. It's like, oh, they will now. They will now. But I guess what I'm saying is there's something charming about it. Yes. There's something charming about Like how we had no budget for the culture

Yeah, I mean there's something charming about like You know, watching this get thrown together But the thing that And that's why the thing that really makes it work Is their chemistry and their performances And I'm loving them on the press store They're nailing it It looks fun to me

I'm like seeing it should That's I guess what sells something Is when someone is out there having fun You know what? Like people have a lot to say about Timothy Shepard Salome, I think he needs to put his foot on the gas on this, whatever he's doing. You know what I think it already is? No, I mean, I'm just saying more.

He's on top of the sphere. More! Oh, you're crazy. You know he was nervous. He took a beta blocker. Oh, yeah. That's an anxious boy. Well, beta blockers are life-saving tools.

Absolutely. This is, this is one of the greatest inventions in modern mankind. Thank you, propan, propranol. That's tough. They could have named that better. That's because that's getting me, that's getting my heart rate up. Did you ever? watched, I guess, I don't know, what else to say about heated rivalry?

It rocked. It rocked. I loved. I was late to it because I was like, there's no way. And then I felt the way everyone else felt. I talked to someone and you know what they said? What? They said, heated rivalry gave me everything I was expecting from Life of a Showgirl. And I was like, what's that mean?

I was like, I don't know this necessarily tracks, but then he was like, let me explain. And by the way, I like Life of a Showgirl. and if you think I'm lying come to me on the streets come to me on the streets and tell me that you think I'm lying and I'll show you my recently played I covered Elizabeth Taylor on the road

and you said that I'm in my life of a showgirl era you are in your life of a showgirl era I can't say lying that's interesting I'm dating a football player no just kidding I can't say what era I'm in

but anyway this person telling you that oh they were like it's a pop album they're like it has all those little bursts and it's like fun and it feels like like it's gonna like it just feels like um non-caloric not in the way you're gonna be okay but then by the end you're like wow surprised i feel full

you know what i mean surprised oh i felt very full because i was like yeah because like for the first the first three episodes was like okay this is i'm along for the rye but i'm not sure what to track and then episode five i was like this is cinema oh no episode at the end of episode five i was like, well, I'm coming to the cottage. I was like, and I was like, wait. And then you know it's one of the highest rated episodes on IMDB like ever. It's up there with like white caps from the Sopranos.

Gena Rosatano. Love that. Genar Rositano. I love that. You have made a fool of me for years with these whores. I'm Carmela. You are Carmela. Oh my God.

You're Dr. Melfi. Are you laughing? Because you know it's true? She's, she's an icon. A full-blown. It's the glasses. It's the glasses. It's the Bronco of it all. Right, right, right.

Wait, the cottage. This is the thing. My fantasy is a lake house in Ontario. I know you've been saying that. I can't believe, I can't believe Shane. You can still do it. He feels like he can't do it anymore. He's like, oh, now that the cottage is in culture, I can't have the cottage.

Now that an Asian guy has a cottage in Ontario, I can't do it. Um, no, I understand what they're saying now about it being life of a showgirl because it is, um, it is giving you a sense of safety. Yeah. Because this is the thing about like the no conflict thing. I'm not being snarky, by the way. I'm just saying like I love the fact that it's like, oh, here's a problem. My dad's homophobic. Two things later. He's dead. Oh, here's a problem. Spoiler alert. Sorry, here's a problem. My parents aren't, aren't going to be okay with the fact that I'm gay. Two scenes later. We love that you're gay. Perfect. We love that you're gay.

Yeah. Why didn't you text me back? No problem, two scenes later. It's like they're in love. It honestly was like as bad as their communication was. Oh, this is why I wanted to say it surprised me so much and why I loved it because you know what it reminded me of? One of my favorite movies, love in basketball. Oh, yes.

You've said this. It reminded me so much of love in basketball, which is a classic. And it's actually criterion. and if you didn't know now you know worthwhile Gina Prince Bythwood an underrated director by the way who's gone on to do so many more things

since then she actually did The Woman King so good but what I loved about it was like the time lapse really helped the romance the fact that it was like sports but not really like they were passionate about something else and also each other

the fact that it was like will they won't they over the years like believably felt like you were growing alongside them, but it moved quickly. You know what I mean? Like, I just like, and it was very sexy. Like, L&B. I think it would have felt weird if it was like chased sexuality in this gay show

because gay guys just be, we just fuck. And they're athletes. Yeah, exactly. They're healthy motherfuckers. No, that ass was made to thrust. Like, it wasn't made to, like, you're not going to see just like, this is not the age of innocence.

No. Like gay guys fuck. Gay athletes fuck. Period. Hopefully they fuck us in Milan. Oh. Have you thought about that? Now, other things.

Did you ever watch the end of an era documentary? I need to. Oh my God. Six episodes did each one twice. Unapologetic. Unapologetic. No, but I love that we have committed to film the tortured poets portion of the era story. Here's what I love about the documentary.

because I do think it wants you to know a few things. It wants to remind you she's brilliant. Yes. And I think it does do that. Like there's scenes of her playing guitar, like rehearsing her. Come on. And on the piano, like rehearsing her surprise songs and everything. And like you do see how it really, every element of that like was her vision.

She truly is in control of it. Like so I think like after all of the discourse about her, the documentary wants you to know, she is a talent. Can we put that to rest? Yeah, there's the weird thing where one life of a showgirl came out and some people took umbrage with a lot of the lyrics that she's like not a good writer. I think it's truly silly. I actually do think that people have Taylor Swift derangement syndrome.

Well, they have a derangement syndrome and they have like an amnesia. Back in the day, like everyone had everything to say because the whole media thing. There's a reason why reputation exists. Right. And it's because there was a widespread notion that she was like. Yeah. Terrible. Yeah.

And like there was like, you know, whatever like quote unquote the receipts to prove that. And then she genuinely like fought back from like whatever hell she was in to do this. But she's able to do that because she is that talented. So there's that. The documentary also wants you to know that it's not about money. Uh-huh. Like there's a part where Andrea's. Swift is like, you know, it's always just been about her sharing her music and doing that and

et cetera. And I think that might be the part that's tough for people to buy, especially because of like, you know, just like people's assessment of her and the story about how much money she's worth and how much money the tour makes and the variance of it all, etc. But you can leave the documentary thinking like, you know what, this is an extremely generative person. And because she's generating a lot, she sells a lot. And she's also like meaningfully diverting a lot of those funds to like the people who make that tour happen. Right. And so I think that that's obviously a focus of it as well. And I think finally they want you to know that her values are liberal. There's a lot in the documentary about her dancers. She really puts a lot of the spotlight on her dancers and the

highlight on her dancers and how gender is not a thing on stage. Like one of the dancers, of the male dancers, his dream is to dance ready for it. But ready for it is like an all-girl number. And the arc of the episode is him getting to do it because she allows him to do it and he fucking crushes. And, you know, you then look at the stage and you think of the show and you're like, oh, wow, I never thought that that person wouldn't be wearing that or shouldn't be wearing the acting like this, et cetera. Like, it really is like a pretty lovely display of diversity in that respect, in all respects. so I think in terms of all that stuff

like it's super successful and you get the I think very cool stuff which is watching them record their albums which I love I can't see enough of Ariana do yes yes or anybody Taylor's great to watch and I have such an appreciation of her

watching Ariana is like something different because like I just I think she's truly a genius in the studio the way she comes her own vocals and stuff I would kill I would pay to be a fly on the wall just watch her in the studio first She'd let you To answer your question, I think

Eternal Sunshine is her best produced album Because it was like It was it was It was Max and her and Elia When are we going to the tour? I guess we're going New York

Barclays July Is it Barclays? She's doing Barclays and MSG I think Okay, that's chic Yeah I wonder how that's like But I've seen that happen before People do Barclays and MSStry

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So when that happened with Turning Point. You thought it was AI? No. I knew it was her. By the way, anyone being like, Nikki, we lost her. She's been gone. She's been gone.

And the writing was on the wall for this because the fact is Nikki Minaj was kicked out of mainstream culture because she's married to a sex offender, unrepentant. She allegedly, allegedly was intimidating his victims from like saying anything, doing anything, whatever, that's a legend. And she was picking fights with everyone in music

and it was out of pocket and she was obviously a bully and unwell. So that's why she went to turning point because she needed an audience at all. She probably wants like, you know, something out of the president too at some point. But like she clearly didn't believe one word of what she was saying.

That was the most inauthentic thing I've ever fucking seen. Or maybe she does now because it's like, it's being invalidated. I don't think she's like gone, gone. Sure. The whole thing of like it's okay to be a boy. I was like, you're saying this to be mean-spirited because you feel like butt hurt and

disappointed that the people who made your career now take umbrage with the bullshit that you're doing and so you're railing against them. You don't actually believe that. But anyway, fuck her. But I will say, because I knew she was gone forever, the day after, I took my moment to listen to her music for the last time. And what did you think? It's sad.

It's sad. But, you know, it's, there will, there are others. There will be others. I said goodbye. You said goodbye. I said goodbye. And then I streamed in my the drama. And I watched Cardi be amazing.

On drag race. So good. Yeah, I have nothing else to add. I was just like, I was just, it was, it was all over my FYP and I was just like, right. I was like, uh-huh. It was ridiculous. Everything about everything. going on with the GOP right now is ridiculous.

Obviously, it's been that way. But I'm loving watching them fall apart. And I do think that's what's happening. What else? Housewives? What do you think of the Meredith of it all on Salt Lake? I don't counter out. I definitely don't count her out.

But something is fishy about it to me. What part? Like the fact that she's being pushed out? The fact that they're all so sure this is the case. I don't get what the case is. Well, I think what they're trying to say is that she's got an alcohol or drug problem. Like, Mary being like, I see it. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, right. I don't know. I guess, like, do you feel as viewers we are seeing what they are claiming they're seeing? Well, I think we are not seeing the flight, the flight footage, which I guess is like. I texted Andy about it. I was like, does it exist? He said, no, we would have shown it. That's so wild.

By the way, just to make this explicitly clear, I have never had sex with Andy Cohen. I will never have sex with Andy Cohen. At one point, I kind of wanted to in the very, very, very beginning. But if we were going to have fucked, it would have happened by now probably many times. If you ever see me talking to Andy in a way that would suggest we've had sex, it's because we are flirting because it's funny. He is a friend. He is now our boss.

that's the extent of it and if you're gonna make fucking content about this like get this person's fucking name right that one girl's called me Matt Fraser which obviously I think it was a mistake

but I sometimes think that straight women just need to stop and remember they are straight women before they talk about the way that gay guys are being sure before you talk about the way gay guys are being understand like there might be

something else there and of course it is like loose between gay men. We just don't think about this stuff as much as you guys are. But Andy and I are having fun. We do owe him a book. That's why he said that to us. That's why I said we were going to have time to work on it soon.

Thinley veil delusion to the fact that we now have a lot more time to work on it. Like there is no drama or tension between Andy Cohen and I. Nothing. I don't know about the Meredith of it all. Anyway, we love her. We love the Marx's love. And I just, but I'm just like, I just

I wish I was seeing what they're seeing. Totally. I am, I did start watching the cult of the real housewife to Miriam Cosby Dock. What was, what was going on? I'm like, this is,

does it not well made. No, no, I'm just like, whatever case you're trying to make here, it's like, okay, but all those documentaries are such bullshit.

I know, but it's also like, they use a lot of like our content. Also, like, They did, like, take clips of, like, us, like, getting Charlie XX to talk about Maryam Cosby and how much she loves her. Like, it's like, oh, well, you didn't clear that with us. Not that they, like, had too legally.

But I'm like, oh, like, it just, I don't know. It just kind of seems, this is not to, like, minimize any of the allegations. It's just like, persuasive stuff used to mean something. Right. Oh, well, not anymore. Nothing means anything anymore. Nothing means anything anymore. I open my algorithm now, and it's like, it's all AI.

And I don't want it. And I'm like, how would anyone coming into the world be able to believe anything at this point? And I think the AI conversation is also so boring. Right. Yeah. At this point, what feels like, like, eye roll is like, it's inevitable. It's like, right. But also, like, I don't think the appetite for this is linearly going to grow.

No, no, no. It's people, I think the vast majority of people have no appetite for it. it. But this idea like it's coming and you have to deal with it is making people like sort of resign to the fact. And I just don't want people to you like I guess like you can resign to learning I guess how to use AI well or correctly. But what I don't like are people resigning themselves to giving up their creativity or their autonomy in terms of like finding information or creating stuff. Like that to me is bad and I think it's confusing when you're like, it's here, get used to it.

What does that, what does get used to it mean? It's just like, it's like an energy that people have about it. But those are the same people who are, like, having casual conversations with chat, GPT being like, what's your, how are you? It's like, what are you doing? You just killed some penguins. There's going to be way less penguins for Bowen to see. And I want to see them.

He wants to see them bad. This is the trip of a lifetime. Yes. You know, you know what I think you might be ready for movie-wise? Let's go back to that conversation. Yes. Someone watched it on a plane in front of me. Which you know is my fucking nightmare.

No, well then, yeah. I think you might be ready for sentimental value. It's not like completely... Of course I am. Have you seen it yet? It's not like completely what? It's not like completely devastating the way that Hamnet allegedly is. Oh, yeah.

I heard Catherine's great in it. Catherine is so funny. And you can tell that Yo Kim loves her. I just saw Catherine. We just saw Catherine at Joel Kim's wedding. And I was like, oh, fucking Catherine. What a great. She's so funny in The Running Man.

She's been booking. She's, I'm, we're thrilled. Oh, fucking love that bitch. I'm trying to think, like, what else, like, there has been. Is any music come out? December, January is always a tough time. Yeah, well, we didn't really ever get a chance to talk about Lily Allen. We like it as much as everyone else.

Of course. And then there was also. What else? I don't know, what else? Oh. Well, next week, Robin will be here. And that's going to be very exciting. And, um,

And that's that. That's that. So I guess it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Yes. This is the part where we do I Don't Think So Honey. It's our 60 second segment where we rant, rail, rave, and turn the party, ultimately. And by turn the party, we mean hopefully change hearts and minds about this thing and culture that we just think needs. I think I will.

Yeah, I do too. Okay, great. I hope so anyway. I'm sure you will. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Gavin Newsom, if you're going to run for president,

you need vocal surgery. Oh. You need to remove the polyps on your vocal cords. Listening to you is a nightmare. And I have a feeling you're going to be talking a lot. I don't necessarily want that. I don't think we will win with him. But just go to L.A.,

ask people how they feel being there. But anyway, I do think that while there's a lot of crises in the world, the number one, one actionable thing that Gavin Newsom can do right now is text Savannah Guthrie and get whoever just did her vocal surgery. She just had the polyp surgery. You're going to need to be silent for about six weeks afterwards. But don't worry, you can still tweet.

You can still dunk on Trump, which is apparently something that people still think is going to win and not speaking directly, actionably to people in their concerns, like say Bernie Sanders does. who is the only durable remaining politician over the last decade that's been like consistent and is still around in a meaningful way. Take notes, maybe. But in the meantime, I need to stop hearing your voice as it is.

That's one minute. Get vocal surgery and finish the damn 405. No, he won't do that. Why not? Nothing will happen in California. I know, no. Because he's too busy. He's busy doing other shit.

and then I get calls from council people who are running in L.A. And I tell them exactly what I fucking feel. And they're like, oh, well, it's just hard because this. And I'm like, then talk to big boy. Talk to big boy. Talk to big boy and get them to fucking fix California.

Because it's never been worse. No. So you think you're going to be the governor of California with that hair and that ex-girlfriend of Kimberly Guilfoyle and that voice and that podcast with the Steve Bandy and feature. Just get Nikki Medell's at this point. I forgot about that.

No, it's a mess. And I think that because he thinks he can like troll Trump or whatever and that people know who he is because he makes a fucking spectacle of himself, that he's going to be the one to lead us forward. Let's run Bernie again. Bernie is the only politician. No, it's the only one. He says exactly what he feels.

And I do mean the only one. Bernie come on Las Colch. Sure. No, absolutely. He's the only person who it's actually. No bullshit. This is another thing about early days' last culture that I regret is being a Hillary stand. I can't believe I was.

I think we were trying really hard to just win. I know. But I feel so silly. Here's what I'll say. I believe the president should. I believe the president should have been Elizabeth Warren. You and many, many of the smart Brooklyn gaze are aligned in this. I'm sure we all like share like a certain.

ideology about all this. But the fact is, like, the reason we were Hillary stance is because at the time, like, the Bernie bro thing, remember, you remember 2016. I remember. Like, it was like, it got a little thick there with, like, the way people were talking on the Bernie side, and it was misogynistic, and it was tough. And I think at the time, there was a very girl bossy, like, Obama-core-ish, like, Hey, don't talk like that.

We're going to crash the glass ceiling, girl. And. I pull my head. Hey, back, check my nails. It was a very that. And so I don't, I don't, I don't look back in regrets because we were part of the culture we were part of. Should we have listened to the populist message all along? Is that ultimately what would work for them?

Yes. It's not going to be Gavin Newsome. And when any time a politician is making it too obviously about themselves, I'm already done. Oh, we're out. And don't waste your money sending to Jasmine Crockett. Do not do it. I must agree. Don't do it.

You're going to waste your money. Take it from someone who sent Sarah Gideon like a ton of money in Maine. Like just don't do it. Don't waste your money. Don't do it. It's hard enough to come by. Another thing, I remember 2016 well. I was reminded of it in heated rivalry.

That was the year that Boston won. I don't know. Hard to keep track of the sports. And by the way, I am not being like fatalist about the Democrats' chances. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying they are giving us. a wide open opportunity here, let's not flop by putting up what they said, what everyone said they hated in the beginning, which is an establishment like California Democrat.

Like it's, it doesn't work. Who is doing it in the same way that like they've all been doing it where it's always failed where it's like, like Colbert was asking point blank. Like, will you run for president? He's like, that's not my focus right now. And by the way, that is a version of his voice that sounds like crystal clear. I mean get a fucking surgeon It's just it's so sick

And how come who is not telling him this You what if you get hired to be part of I should be his Rahm Emanuel I would get him together What you guys don't know is I'm Rahm Emanuel In like a cunty gay way Ooh And then you're going to be mayor of Chicago

Is he mayor? I think he would I don't fucking know. I know he was like Obama's chief of staff, right? And he was like known as being like a real dick, but like he got shit done. Chief of staff is such an interesting position. I love it. Did you read that Susie Wiles article? No. Oh, that was T. Okay. I'm, I've been in my politics back. I am, see, this is me. Like, I'm getting off my spaceship and I'm like, I am ready to touch things in the world that I've been away from. Does that make sense? Okay. Yes. Let me just qualify. qualify the Jasmine Crockett thing. She's not going to win a Senate seat in Texas, you guys. Like, if Beto O'R. couldn't do it, like, Jasmine Crockett is not going to do it. She isn't, and it's the, it's nothing against her.

It's just that she is a politician and that she is, like, you know, like, very well defined already. And I think it's my opinion that we are going to need someone who is less defined at this moment that then rises up. Like, I'm interested in this Tala Rico guy from Texas. Oh, I don't. know him. I'm just interested in him. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh, I haven't seen him before. It would be hard for them to define him as anything other than what he is, which is like

a rising democratic politician from someplace like Texas, who is like, yes, speaking a little bit to the middle, but at least he's someone that, like, we can't define already. You know what I mean? Like, Gavin Newsom is defined. I believe Jasmine Crockett is defined. Yep. Like, I'm just trying to win here. And I really feel differently than we did in 2016, like the way to win now is to like go with the energy. I did just get a text from the people who helped me write her into a sketch. Who? Tricia Pettis is mulling a run for Congress. I think I'm going to say as a, as a, as I feel like Tricia, you don't have to do it. Just you're, don't worry about it. Who told you this? I'm seeing on Twitter. That Tricia Paitis is the latest to California policy. Tricia Patea. Tricia Padis. Tricia

Trapatis is mulling a run for Congress, lives in Westlake Village, so would put her in collision course with Julia Brownlee, unless she is... Oh, I have my block on my Twitter. But she, Trescia, you don't have to do that. Don't have to do that. Authenticity. We're back to being authentic. We're back to being authentic.

Oh, God, yeah. Oh, I love it. They said we were done. They said we were done. And now next week, next week, Robin's going to come in and they're going to be like, why are they kissing Robin's ass? Here's why we're kissing Robin's ass because she's a pop culture icon

and I can say already we're going to kiss her ass and it's going to be okay It's going to be great It's still gonna taste like cherry It's gonna be a free show With 20 minutes of ads That you can fast forward through

But by the way we apologize about the ads And we've made changes We're figuring that out Also Las Coles This is so it's all just them talking to celebrities We've had like friends on the show like all of Q4

Like everybody calm down It's like all the criticism I'm like but what about this? It's easily disproven It's like we'll have I don't care Guys let us do Let us do the show our way

Okay And it's yeah I mean let us cook And also like It's just that we're like If we're not doing it exactly like this It's just because we wanted to make sure That the show was released

And we had a great episode Go off in December. Oh, my least favorite thing is when they dragged us for doing three episodes in one day. They were like, I can't believe they would ever do three episodes in one day. You mean work for eight hours straight? Yeah, I'm sorry that doesn't jive with your ethics. I don't understand why that's an issue. And then they go, well, Matt should have at least changed his shirt.

Fuck off. I was like, I put on a different overshirt, you asshole. Leave me alone or else. Or else. This is the last time. This is truly, this is the last. The last time all year we're going to be addressing this.

No, because this has been so cathartic. This actually is called Exit Interview, parentheses, the cathartic episode. Because I am never looking at this again, and I swear to God, mark my words.

Wait, we should really do this. Mark my words. We should get brick. I have two bricks at my house. And there's also Opel, which I love. What's Opelite? It's an app that blocks things for you. But if you want to, you know,

if you want to take a break, you can take a break throughout the day, which I do. or it'll ask you if you're sure you want to take a break and then it'll present you if you want like a math puzzle or a puzzle that'll give you a quick dopamine hit and then it's like so you got your dopamine hit

do you still want to take a break? It's cute. It's like it's really getting in the way of like you like mindlessly scrolling. Yeah. Which I would love to do less of. Oh absolutely. Wouldn't we all? I think but I think there's like a thing now where it's like this is again like the comment

or survivorship thing. It's like anyone who like has some sense of like self-protection is, like, weaning off of the phone in their own meaningful way. I mean, in an era when so much is changing anyway, why not change this one other thing? I'm like, I just remember the day when, like, I left Facebook to sort of cold turkey. And I quit smoking cold turkey. You did, huh?

Because, oh, this is my thing. Oh, yeah, tell this. I think this is good. I got a suite at the Chelsea Hotel. You do that. That's like a customary thing you do at the end of the season. I've done it once before with Celest and Sarah, but I got it for myself and, like, I had friends over. we had fun.

And then I just had like two days to myself at the Chelsea Hotel. And then they got me the balcony suite. Oh. Which is like the only sort of balcony that like looks at the hotel Chelsea sign. And so then like someone left like a pack of cigarettes. And I like smoked,

I smoked one on the balcony. And then I like looked up like right before I was going to check out. And I was like, this would be a chic place to just quit smoking. After I finished SNL, I'm at the hotel Chelsea. I'm on the balcony. This is the last one.

I've since had like cigarettes I'm just never buying my own again But no no no no I quit cold turkey I've since had several No no no no so it's not cold turkey But it's like I'm never going to buy my own cigarettes ever again That is my thing

And I get to I get to have one Like if I've like had a couple drinks You remember the deal we made years ago If I would quit smoking if you got If you were in therapy And now you were it's so grossly Inequitable that I am ready to Be honest

I've just seen unfortunately Up close what happens when you don't. What happens when smoking and vaping gets out of hand. And I would tell everyone

that as a person that's had a firsthand account do not fuck with it. And it has nothing to do with anything but the smoking and the vaping

that I'm talking about. And I promise you your life will be better without it. 100%. Because think about it. Think about vaping. Think about how dumb it is.

Not that you vape. But like, it's you sucking on a machine. Who here does it? Show yourself. You're all very afraid to come forward. A 14-year-old was doing it next to me on the train. I was like, don't do it on the train. Well, he'll be dead.

Just tell him he'll be dead by 20. Oh, God. What? He will. He will. Anyway. If you're vaping, you're going to be dead. I have an, I don't think so, honey.

Of course you do We've been here two hours Should we split the episode into two? No No, no People are gonna like this All right This is a big extravaganza

This is Bowen Yangs I always go to the compass When I mean to go to the timer That's okay This is Bowen Yangs I don't think so honey His time starts now I don't think so many

Fries for the table This is a myth That it's something that everyone loves Think about it Everyone's like Yes fries for the table Does it ever get fucking finished. It's a huge waste. You get little potato confetti sitting in a fucking

cone the end of the night. No one's touching it after five minutes. It's completely gone. You have a full cup of aoli there because guess what? Aoli also fucking sucks. No one in the Western hemisphere cares for it. Ioli contains multitudes. 30 seconds. It's ketchup all the way. Don't even bother with the aoli with the mayonnaise. This is, we're in new, we're in a we're in America. As unpatriotic as I might be right now, I still care about that with our Olympics podcast. Hetchup

over mayo and a only. Fries for the table, it's a lie. It's like, it's like, we all think we're all on board for it and then no one fucking touches it by the end. Five seconds. I don't know. Let's just get real. Let's get real in 2026. Okay. Fries for the table. It's just a myth.

No one cares. That's one minute. What's what? I Ask me anything. I will. I'm just gathering my thoughts. What do you talking about? It is a fantasy. It is, it is in theory.

Some of their best films are. Yes. But in theory, fries for the table makes total sense, right? Oh, everyone's going to nibble on fries. No one's touching it within five minutes.

Can I ask you a question? Of it hitting the table, no one is touching the fries after five minutes. Everyone's like, oh, yes. Oh, such a good idea. No one gives this shit after five minutes. Can I ask you a question? But first, can I say one thing?

Yes. And it's a rule of culture. Umami, more like, ooh, daddy. That's rule of culture number three. Umami, more like, ooh, daddy. I say that because ketchup is umami. What about this? Two orders of fries for the table.

No! So, wait. I'm saying even one order. But can I ask you a question? Do you think that, do you think that the reason why one batch of fries doesn't get- Everyone's too shy? It's because everyone's like, oh, I'm not going to put my hand into one batch of fries. Whereas, if just, if, say, it's a batch of fries. party of four, right? Instead of one

group of fries in the table. Because here's the thing. I think we can all agree that everyone wants fries. Yes. Okay. Starting there. Order your own fries. No, that's too much. Because, Matt, I'm telling you. Four orders of fries on the table? I'm telling you, Matt.

You SNF threw money at you. Shut up. I've bought enough. I've paid for enough tables at the S&L after party because that's something we had to do. They still have to do. I've had to pay for so many fries for the tables. I've seen, I've seen it.

This is, I'm practically from experience talking about how you could teach a college seminar on this. I could teach a college seminar on this. A media study seminar on fries for the table being sort of a societal ideal that never really gets fully enjoyed. That's it. I'm just, I'm just saying, I've seen, I've so many data points about this. Oh, there's another half full thing of. fries that was supposed to be for everybody. I just feel like it would be a shame for there to be no fries.

Oh. And I think to everyone ordering their own fries is too much. If one person orders their own fries, they're not going to finish all of them. And then that invites other people that table to be like, can I have some of your fries, Matt? And you'll be like, of course. And then those get finished. I would, I guess I would rather that already be an assumed fact that of course you can have some of these fries because they're everyone's fries. Also, maybe you're just not dining with the right people. also you don't talk about the people I dine with I will talk about the people you dine where I just dine with you the other night and how was that experience lovely

you had some nasty things to say about aoli yeah I don't care for it I only care about mayonnaise if it's used to help toast a grilled cheese is Ioli mayonnaise I hadn't really thought about that basically huh yeah it's like eggy okay I don't about Dijon mustard I love Dijon mustard. You're going to be wishing there was fries on the table to have with some of those. No. I like Dijon when it's, um, it's in a sandwich. I like Dijon when it's my last name. Matt Dijon. I love it.

Remember when my, remember my first drag name? Iran Dijon. Iran Dijon. The, from the Middle East or something? Middle yeast. She was spicy and unstable just like my borders. This was back in the day when you could be a little, you could be a little, you could be a little problematic because no one was listening.

Anna, how does that make you feel? She's okay with it. Inshallah, you're okay with it? Don't say, inshallah. I'm allowed to say, inshallah. Studey Green told me I could. And then I said it in front of Maitre and she wasn't so sure. But inshallah, you'll all let me get away with it at home, the readers.

The readers. Well, this was a fantastic episode. I thought so. Thank you for getting me to cry, bitch. I cried too. We both cried. This was an emotional roller coaster. A cathartic release.

The cathartic episode. Action interview. Hashed, not hashed. Parentheses. The cathartic episode. No real edits. I think just the pickups that I, you know, have. I will tell you I have one edit after we end.

And we end every episode with a song. All the things she said. All the things she said. Running through my head. Running through my head. Running through my head. Text in if you think we should be Ilya and Connor. Shane.

Connor is, plays Ilya. Should we be them for Halloween? Yes, we will. But you be the white one. I'll be the white one. And I'll be the bottom. Oh my God, can you imagine seven years without ever changing your haircut like those boys? Anyway.

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