Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Experience Cinema" (w/ Michelle Yeoh) (RE-RELEASE)

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

This is a re-release of a CLASSIC Las Culturistas episode: In this legendary episode, there is joy, there are tears, there are discussions that need to be heard. Naturally the only guest for this episode would be Michelle Yeoh! Her new film Everything Everywhere All At Once is important cinema and if you haven't seen the film, we recommend you stop right now, go watch the film, and then come back and listen! And if you have watched, do not wait any longer! PRESS PLAY! You will not regret it. Also, of course, we hear about Michelle's upbringing and how the experience of going to a movie theater really lit up her life. Love, tears, cinema history, and some IDTSH's that will have you jumping from your seats! Plus so much love for Stephanie Hsu!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas calling. Oof. Oof. It's just me and Bow, because we are post-coital right now. We're post-coital. We have post-nut clarity, joy. We didn't have all the time in the world with our guest. By now, you know it's Michelle Yeoh.

You're looking at the title. Unreal. The app. You know, she's been doing days of press for this movie, Everything Everywhere All at Once, which you must see if you haven't already. And in fact, we do get into some spoilers. So, just if you're listening

now, just know, you know, maybe you hold off on listening to this episode. Please go see the movie first. Yeah. Implore you, because we really get into, you know, we really talked to her about what it was like to work on this. And it was just such a special conversation. It's really, I mean,

this is, I think one of my favorite moments we've had on the podcast, not only because, you know, she's such an incredible icon of screen and just like cinema history, but also she was a very real person. And I think that she had a lot to say that like really resonated about how she prepares

and how she's never stops learning when she's on set. And she just really a very grounded person. And you wish that someone like her gets her do like this. You know what I mean? You really do. And it's that, you know, classic thing where at this point, you know, this really do you really do and it's that you know classic thing where at this point you know this is something that matt says all the time which is can anyone else do this role can anyone else do which this actor does in any given project and we definitely

feel like that's not the case with michelle and everything everywhere all at once like the role was written for her there there aren't that many many Asian female actresses who can pull off action in a sci-fi comedy who can pull off physical comedy as well as martial arts. Like that is like, she's, I've listened to her talk about the nuance and the difference between physical comedy, which she's never done before and martial arts,

which she has and like how much fun it was for her. Anyway, we're really just like soaring from this interview. It was so fun. It's a little bit tighter than usual because of the time constraints we had, but so much fun. I mean, it's just unreal because I've seen the movie now twice as you'll hear, and I'm so overwhelmed because it's that thing, Beau, you know, way back when we first met the people that we all met and like you had a feeling about certain people

and then come to find out it happened to be true. So Stephanie Hsu is like our old friend from college. Like, I think we probably all met when we were like 19. 19. I was probably, I was 18. Yeah. So Beau and his family, he's famously a little bit younger than us,

which he just mentioned, which was not rude I was 18. Yeah, so Bowen is famously a little bit younger than us, which he just mentioned, which was not rude at all to mention his young age. But Stephanie is literally one of those people that you meet and is just such a- And you're like, oh my God. Yeah, she's truly limitless in terms of what she's able to do. That's the perfect word.

I'm also really happy that she got to show off her beautiful voice in this movie. So it's everything. I mean, and it really bowled me over, Beau, because more and more I'm realizing that those people that we had a good feeling about from way back, actually that was true. And how lucky to be in the orbit of some of these people.

I mean, this is such a incredible performance and all the performances are amazing but i have to like sit here and tally as well you know what i mean like you gotta see it to believe it i texted you right after i saw it the first time i was like steph is gonna blow your fucking mind and you know what's funny it's like first of all this is like the most step movie of all time. Yeah, it really is. From everything, from like the chaos of it to like the bagel. I was like, Steph found the Steph shoe movie to do. And maybe you know Steph from Marvelous Mrs. Maisel,

or you've seen her on Broadway. She was in SpongeBob and Be More Chill. Be More Chill, yeah. So people are aware of her, but now they're going to become super aware of her. Just watching my friend. It's crazy. Because she was there. Like she does all these different things,

but she was there the whole time. And I was like, in this amazing way. You know what I mean? And I was just like, oh my God, that's Steph. I know. You know, she always says like, oh, I gave up on comedy because the hours were crazy and she had other things going on.

But like she was doing political subversities. It was the show in New York City at the same theater that Pop Roulette did shows at. Steph is just one of those people that you would run into all the time and be like, oh, what are you working on? And to see her do this is really incredible. And I just were so, so, so thrilled. We must have her on the podcast. And I'll sort of mention some stuff to her then but i'm just thinking back to like conversations we had in college and truly

like such a like a great friend and yeah i just like i'm like sitting around like emotional i'm so emotional about the movie because of the messages in it but also it's just really special to see someone that you care about who's so talented i know just and so full of love and always was supportive of us like she would we shared a couple days on set together at nora this was right before she was about to start yeah because the daniels directed that episode of nora the daniels directed the flashback episode of nora from queens where you know it all like it's grandma telling nora like her story and it all kind of gets shot in the style of like a c drama or a k drama and um you know and then that's where the daniels like met like harry shum jr who's who's in the movie he's so good in the movie so oh my gosh

he was so funny so great i've never been more excited to support a project that like i had nothing to do with, which sounds so disgustingly vain. But it is weird when someone's like so hyped for something that like in our business, at least like it's someone's hype for something that like they had no part of. Yeah, but we need more of that. I know. I totally agree.

I because I always feel like that's how we get interesting. Yes. I don't I don't I don't even know what I'm saying. It's just like, I mean, that's really what I want this podcast to be anyway as i would i would love you know that's so interesting talking about like 300 episodes in like what we want it to be but i guess that's a good sign no yeah that like you know now that we're able to have access to someone like michelle yo like it's so mind blowing but i do think that like especially nowadays when people aren't necessarily going out to the theater like i'm happy like that that like there's things out there that are

there's really challenging things out there available to us that we can go see like i'm going to new york um next week and i'm gonna see five broadway shows and i haven't done that in years but i think there's like there's like a renewed interest in me and like seeing things and absorbing things and i think that that's that's like a really important thing now that the world is opening back up as i knock fucking wood but um like you got to get out there and see stuff and then share what you loved about it with people i mean i know that's like a simple maybe like you know sort of stupid thing to say but like tell people what you like i mean like and i i guess that's what is so podcast that's like this podcast and i that's what i want it

to be and that's why i feel like while this feels like a crazy episode for us because i never in a million years bow when we started this on fucking mercer street in new york thought that we would get to the point where we could have michelle yo on our podcast. But now that we can, it's like, I'm so excited because I genuinely feel like I can't express enough how this movie enriched me. Likewise. And there aren't that many movies that I can

rattle off that have had such an effect on me. I didn't even get to say this to her. I watched that movie. All I can think about is my mom. And that's what I think about. I watched that movie. All I can think about is my mom. And that's, well, that's what I, that's what I, that's what I think about. I think about my mom all the time.

When I see Michelle Yeoh in movies, I remember going to Crouching Tiger with my mom and being like, wait, she kind of talks like my mom does. And like, she has the same sort of like warmth and energy and strength and whatever. Anyway, I'm just talking about my mom now,

but with everything I've ever, ever read all at once is literally the story of this woman. Who's like, what if I had done things differently? And my mom in her loving way, she's not saying this in like a a way to like give me an existential crisis or like throttle me into that kind of crisis but she always is like you know i think about all the time if i had stayed in china like i would have been this very successful doctor i would have not had you because you're the second child because you know back then it was one child

only like and she it's a very common thing in the immigrant experience, at least, not to make it specifically about that, to be like, what if I didn't? It's very much about that, though. No, but it's a universal thing.

Like, everybody walks this earth going, what if I had done things differently? What if things were different enough that were out of my control? You know, like, everyone is in that space all the time and it's the perfect concept to bring into a multiverse movie it's just so i loved this movie so much it's so smart on so many different levels and it's also fun and it's moving and it's because and it's because the thing

about this film is and we should just say it's wild. I mean, it's a truly crazy movie and you'll be asking yourself what the hell is going on a couple times. You've never seen anything like this. And then it becomes clear. But the thing is, while it is so expansive and so ambitious and so audacious, it's also very simple in terms of the story. It's actually just about a family trying to come back together and it's about realizing what you have and it's about understanding possibility but embracing reality yeah and and it's just it's just so good it's about accepting whatever reality you're in yeah and noticing noticing i fucking love this movie so much it was so good and also especially and blah blah blah but

in a time when everything is a sequel or you know a franchise movie yeah like you gotta go out and support this movie uh what we say in the episode like put on a mask if that makes you feel better if you haven't been out to the theaters like this is the movie to go see you won't regret it you really won't regret it it's not the kind of movie that you'll be like, eh, whatever. Yeah, no. No, no, no, no, no. At the very least,

you'll have a strong reaction. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And isn't it fun to go to a movie and potentially hate it? I don't think you will. You won't. But also, like,

I don't know, like, it made me feel all the feeling. I mean, I did not just say it made me feel all the feels in 2022. 2011? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the feels.

It's just, I don't know. It really transported me back to, I don't know, maybe even feeling that childlike thing of going to the movies and something just is completely new. It's movie magic. It's movie magic, bitch. Not to spoil the interview,

and if you haven't skipped all the way to when Michelle Yeoh starts talking, God bless you. Thanks for listening to us talk. But she gets into that. Movie magic. It's this thing that's kind of hard to come by, especially I felt this way before I saw the movie. I feel like I've been a little

desensitized, just a little bit desensitized to the viewing experience or the intake or consumption of something that i'm watching yeah because i'm like in bed watching it like from a tv or an ipad or like it's sedentary it's passive like there's something so literally activating about this movie that you watch it and you cannot help but go oh my god, yeah. That sensory overload that happens in that atmosphere. Yes, yes. That is not replicable at home. It really isn't, unless you have like, you know,

a crazy Dolby setup or something. Unless you have a crazy Dolby setup. Honey, you're not going to get that experience. It's rule of culture number four. Unless you have a crazy Dolby setup, you're not going to get that experience. Honey. Anyway,

do we have anything else to say? I have nothing else to say. I'm like so tapped from this conversation. Like, I'm just excited. I'm so excited. She was so generous with us, just was so honest. She was giving ponytail through a white baseball cap.

Girl, can we talk about, I guess people know this already, but a hard reminder needs to be set that like, this is a fucking style legend. Yeah. Okay. Glamour icon.

Glamour icon. She just came out with her interview magazine photos where she looks fucking amazing. Yeah. The ring in Crazy Rich Asians is her ring. Oh, wow. Did you hear that? Have you you heard the story i think i actually do remember that like like the props like like like because the ring is like a plot point it's like yes like the young ring and it's like wow the eleanor young ring and it's like they like did like a pretty generic looking but still like you know like

something that communicates wealth or whatever that this family has but she came on to set or she saw the ring for the first time she was like no i have one better i have a collection she has this woman is like very unassuming in a lot of ways but also i i'm just reminded of the fact that she is married to the former ceo of ferrari Jesus. Like, this woman knows fucking lavishness and luxury. And yet she still is, like, such an artist in her way and, like, doesn't, like, would never let that show, like, doesn't let that inform anything about her in her work.

I know that's a weird thing to bring up, but I just I'm obsessed with that. Like, she's a fucking glamour. She's like, it feels old Hollywood. It feels, like, so fucking ugh oh i love it it's so luxe but anyway it's her ring that giant fucking emerald i don't know what cut of diamond that is but so beautiful yeah this was i mean we're we're doing the fluffing of the century here this foreplay that we're doing with i know i know readers i say let's just play the episode

you're gonna hear us ding dong again the intro is very short with her i swear to god we're doing with the readers. I say, let's just play the episode. You're going to hear us ding dong again. The intro is very short with her. I swear to God, we're getting to Michelle Yeoh very, very, very soon. This feels like when you're about to get on the roller coaster, but there's a technical problem. It's like you waited for an hour and then you get there and they're like, we're experiencing

technical difficulties and you're like, fuck off. Right. But with no further ado, Bo. That's welcome. Michelle fucking, yo. Come on. Ding dong, Las Colteristas calling. Oh, Bo, and it's a moment in time yet again.

What was the last movie you saw multiple times in theaters besides Everything Everywhere All at Once? I would have to go back. I can't remember a movie that I was immediately excited to see again. You know, that hasn't happened, especially in the theater, especially pursuing the IMAX experience of it all. I was like, I have to see this on a giant screen with a bunch of people. I will say this.

The last time I saw a movie repeatedly again and again and again was A Star is Born with Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper, which I famously did see four times opening weekend. Now, that does not mean that I wasn't equally moved by this new film, Everything Everywhere All at Once, which I've seen twice this week in the theaters. And I know Bowen has as well. And I have to implore all of the readers of this podcast, everyone out there, to get to the theaters to see this. Bowen, I know you were just as excited as I was. I was... The superlatives are...

There aren't enough. Do you know what I'm saying? I think I told you immediately, our friend Stephanie Hsu is in it. We went to college with her. We can't wait to get into this with our guests. We can't wait to talk about it with our guests. So there's really no need to introduce her in any meaningful way.

She's truly a legend in cinema in so many ways. Just we're so inspired and privileged to have her. So please welcome Michelle Yeoh. Hello, absolute cream. Oh my God, what an introduction to everything everywhere all at once i love you boys already well done especially because you are friends with my baby girl stephanie shoe we went to college with her i did sketch comedy with stephanie shoe i first met her as you know the hilarious funny girl who could do anything and then then as I got to know her, I realized how she's so good with drama, musical.

She's a completely insane person. She's everything, everywhere, all at once. Absolutely. She is. I mean, she is amazing in this. She's amazing, full stop, in everything. So you are very lucky to have met her at the early age. And I can't wait to see all the

amazing things that she will continue to do and have the opportunity to do. What was it like to set up that relationship and to sort of ground that into something that was very, very convincing because by the end, I mean, Matt and I have talked about this, I never cry at movies and I did cry multiple times. Both times I've seen it Especially in that last scene We won't spoil it But there's a last moment with you And Stephanie's character Joy

Between Evelyn and Joy What was the process like Of just getting into that relationship? Okay, but first of all I really want to say thank you For you two having given the shout out About going to the cinemas To watch this movie It's a shared experience.

And, uh, hello, Matt, if you don't watch it more than four times, I'm coming. Okay. Okay.

I know. Hey, excuse me, lady. Step aside. Okay. He is going to say to Brad out of my way. Come on.

If anyone can do it, it is you. Okay? Absolutely. As much as I love that movie, this one is unique. It's different. Right? It is like the primal way of our ancestors where you sit

under the stars and you have great storytelling. You have to see it in the cinema because that's when you devote yourself to that magic of filmmaking yeah and it's like you don't want to go on a roller coaster ride by yourself no never this is like the most incredible roller coaster ride that you're gonna have in the cinema and you're doing it you have to do it with people you have to do it with your friends

your family and strangers and the most important thing is like having conversations afterwards oh yeah on all the different issues whether it's the mother and daughter the father and daughter the husband and wife just a relationship look at the two antagonists the jay-z yeah the you know the audit the the tax auditor who is like you think the scariest person but who is a real human being yes right and you need and you don't want to be left out of the conversation do you when everybody is like have you seen this movie do you know what we're talking about and god forbid you're like no it is that though it is a cultural moment and i really do believe that this movie is going to be something that as more people see it as more people talk about it is

going to become a cultural conversation because it's unlike anything it's unlike anything it is the daniels are just i call them my evil geniuses because they had the audacity the courage to put it all on paper you know it's like five genres of film in in one movie true right and right they took a very ordinary totally unsuccessful immigrant asian aging woman immigrant who is trying to pursue the american dream with the love of her life came here to the complete disagreement and disapproval of her parents especially of her horrible father i'm sorry to say that it's almost like a vicious circle it's like that's how you are you you understand that your parents want the best for you. They tell you what to do and you should do that.

And God forbid you disobey them. And it's like when she sees her daughter, that is one of the core of the movies is this mother-daughter relationship. And you're right. Stephanie and I found the bond. We didn't have, you know, we are an independent film. I only arrived in January. We had eight weeks to shoot this eight weeks 37 days because wow you know there is a union we can work like

constantly like 24 7 right so we but every character from stephanie, Kee Kwan, Jamie Curtis, James Hong, especially the Daniels, every character was completely invested and knew who they were. I saw, I've seen this woman on this, we've passed by this Evelyn Wong. Yes, yes. When we go to the supermarket or when we are, if we're in Chinatown, we see the mothers the aunties the grandmothers where they are weighed down by the responsibility of keeping the family together keeping a business alive you know doing what is right and helping the family survive and she you

know she doesn't walk straight she literally waddles her way through right she is wading through all these like problems and things what is the american dream it is tough it is oh so tough but the daniels have given her such a strong voice to highlight and to tell her story and give her an opportunity to be a superhero. Because at the end of the day, we believe in love. We believe in our family. And we will never give up on that. And that journey needed to be told in this way. This is something I've observed. And I don't know if this is what maybe jumped out at you when you first read the script.

But I feel like in your career career you've portrayed power in such a wonderful way through so many ranges, through such a wide range of things whether it's you know Eleanor Young or you know Star Trek with you know Philip George yeah yeah but it's like I mean you know or even

in Tomorrow Never Dies like I feel like Michelle Yeoh in her roles up to this point has been about portraying a woman in power, which is wonderful. But this is someone, you look at Evelyn

and this is someone who is vulnerable at every level, socially, economically, emotionally, physically. Did you recognize that to be something unique and different immediately?

Because you're right, this is a woman we've passed on the street who is basically invisible to a lot of people like how how did you dive into that vulnerability that's a great question thank you for that you know it's it's very i think at the beginning of my career to show because we were all the main bus, the Asian woman is like the fragile, you know, needs to be carefully catered to and all those kinds of like, whatever the very stereotypical indication of what it is to be an Asian woman. And for me, it was very important to be like,

no, no, no, no, we're not that we are the mother. We are strong. We're independent. We are in control of our lives. And it's a choice to portray and give a voice to that because we cannot be seen as the victims only. But with Evelyn Wong, she's not a victim. She is trying to be the strong, the successful and all that, but life has beaten her down in every turn of the way. And that's the reality that's around us. It's not that everybody gets to be successful, even though they give it their 100 and 200%, right? Unfortunately, that's the reality of life. But to be able to say, yes, she is a failure at so many things that she does. But every failure becomes, it's an impact on our lives.

And we have to learn to be, to be always trying to be better or do something, she would not be able to go into these multiverses and tap into that and have an open mind. And I think that was what that really attracted, yes, because we are all flawed characters. We are all flawed human beings. And in the beginning of my career playing these strong you know more more dynamic characters were important because it empowers you to believe that you can do this and now it comes to a stage where it's like i want to give the people who are not seen right the chance to have a voice and say they can have a different life too and the daniels have given us a perfect opportunity to say well guess what in a science fiction world we can you know

because you're going to be able to go into all these kind of worlds and see what could have happened but what do you choose that's very important that is i think and i'm actually emotional even thinking about this um but what what moved me so much about the film was the message of choosing each other and you know even in seeing the vast possibility in choosing the love in your life and in noticing the things in your life that have actually given you the strength that you didn't know. Because even though Evelyn acquires skills, and she's able to tap into these different universes,

it is her the whole time. And she is the soul that we're with. And she is the person at the end of the film who makes the decision that she makes. And I cannot remember being more moved than towards the end of the film when there is a specific montage with Key's character. Oh my gosh. And you are, and I just want to say, Michelle,

like there is so much power in the way that you receive that. You are outstanding in this movie i mean it is an outstanding i will say it oscar worthy performance i know it's whatever but this is the kind of thing where i just don't think there is another person in the world that could do this and when i tell you how moved i was it had so much to do with Key's performance, but also the way you received that. And you can see the character realizing so much about her life, her reality, and what she wants in that moment. So just that message, I think, is so important in showing the beauty and the love in a life that's big but also a life that feels quote-unquote small and so i just i was that something that jumped out to you in the script and made maybe made you say like

absolutely this is it oh my god now you're making me emotional i just am so moved by the movie no i think what it is is like because when you read it it it resonates. Yeah. You know, like you say, with a husband and wife relationship, any relationship is continuous work. Yes. And sometimes we get sideswept, bogged down by the things, problems, and all those kind of things. And we start looking at the other person like, why couldn't you be better at this? But then we forget. Why did you fall in love with this person how to change him right you love him because he's a little dorky he knows how to find like joy and beauty

in the most horrible places and he's trying to instill happiness and that was why you loved him in the first place and you were ready to you abandoned your family your your parents to go in search of a new life because you love this man and i think sometimes we get lost along the way and i think what happened was like it didn't hit her until when she saw the divorce papers they were like what the f are you talking about yeah losing it became real and then it was, yeah. Right. But that was his point.

It was like, I don't really want a divorce, but I think this will force you to stop because it happened to somebody else. It stopped them to think it's like, do you really value this relationship? And if you have lost complete respect and for the man or the woman and the relationship, then yes, maybe it's time to step away because you don't want to hate each other because it's a very fine line but if there is real love then you have to fight for it you have to fight for each other and you have to continue to do that i think where the daniels were very very clever when they wrote this, is the emotional thread between each character with the characters.

Even like the simple, you know, when Jobu Tupaki and Stephanie comes out with all these like amazing costumes. She looks incredible. Amazing costumes. But I looked into her eyes and I see the longing of, I'm looking for my mother. Yes. I'm not, you know I even though my mouth says nothing matters your eyes don't say that and that is what I see from from that what bonds us

together because that's what Evelyn is seeing right it's like you know how sometimes children they say the worst things they're like I wish you're dead or you're blah blah blah or sometimes parents say it too because i wish i never had you like what come don't be so ridiculous okay but you say things you think to hurt each other because you want them to feel the hurt you are feeling yeah and then you just take like silly things at each other but that's where you know when you are working with someone like key and stephanie who we look at each other but that's where you know when you are working with someone like key and stephanie who we look at each other and we see love and we know this is where we have to go because if you don't believe that you love me nobody else is going to because you know your eyes are as an actor the eyes are the windows to someone's soul yes Yes. And I believed in Evelyn Wong, as Stephanie believed in Joy and Tupac.

So, you know, when we walk into that, even though she's like flinging those adult toys around. Yes. What the hell? And that's where the geniuses of the Daniels are. They put you in the most unapologetic raunchiness, silliness or whatever because you are thrown off balance. Your head is getting messed up like Evelyn Wong.

Then they pull the rug from under you and they watch you fall going, ha ha ha ha. Evil genius. Evil genius. This is the opposite end of what you've always said that But this is something, this is like the opposite end of what you've always said that, you know,

martial arts scenes are, which is there's always drama and emotional stakes to any fight scene you've done. And even with, even between these characters, even though there are all these insane visuals going on,

there's still that dramatic core, that thread between these two characters that like makes you, you can't take your eyes off it because you understand what's going on on some different emotional different level exactly emotional curve for these two women they're fighting you know if it's like uh with jobu tupaki she she thinks she's trying to kill this woman that's her mother right but she isn't she's testing her to the limits it's how much do you actually want me yes right it's like our children test us all the time from the minute

they know how to crawl they test you to see right that's what we do and that we do that with our friends we do that with our the people that we love right you don't do that to people that you don't know because it's a waste of time right but you you test your limits you test each other's limits constantly but does that mean that you don't you love that person that's why you are testing the boundaries that's why you're you know how much more than i can i achieve from this and even with the the fight sequences with like the Lay Brothers, you know, with the butt plunge and all this kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all about survival.

It's all about that. And what I loved right at the end, you know, when I was doing it, it was like, I opened my arms and I fight for love. For love. At first I was like,

what the hell are you two boys trying to do? It's like, how do you fight for love? That's a very interesting thing. How do you say, I'm going to now not fight you with the physical, like, you know, you're coming at me with knives and bombs, you know, the whole staircase.

Yes, yeah. The sequence at the end. It's like, they are ready to kill me and ready to kill Evelyn Wong. And she has the Google eyes and she suddenly realized all the googly eyes. It's all about love and joy and this. But how do you present to them?

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while we may be unlicensed to advise we're gonna do it anyway listen to call it what it is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is something, you know, we are in the industry, so we know this, but these films are shot out of sequence. Oh, completely. And so that must be a real mind F for you to sort of like, you know, have the script and you're reading the script

and then you get a shoot schedule. And that is something that is also really impressive about your performance is it all feels it extremely specific emotionally and continuous which has to be incredibly difficult because you could be shooting one scene that leads into another at the end of the shoot the beginning of the shoot so how did what was your process for keeping that line that i am going to post on my Instagram very soon. My script. Oh, how I normally work a script.

It's like I tag, you know, when you get your script and I tag them, which are the scenes I'm appearing in. If it was an action sequence, they get a red tag. If it was a very heavy, dramatic one,

it gets like a blue. So, you know, you work it out. And then because you have to see as the character, you see the entirety of the script, right? And that will tell you the emotional arc of where you're going or whatever it is. I think one movie that I had was as challenging, but not quite as this was the lady where it spanned like 20 years of her life. And like you say, we don't do it in order. You never do. I mean, for so many reasons. So you have to know that if you go into the 80s or then the 2000ss what is the mindset where are you going from your hair your wardrobe or whatever that helps you recreate this this moment but with everything everywhere all at

once it is everything everywhere all at once you're such an ibachi chef then you're like well what okay i'm like back to this universe and then i'm jumping into the jail what about you know you but when you see how i have tag i am literally every scene of them yes oh yeah emotional art goes so go sideways up and down and everything everywhere all at once it really is insane and the the amazing thing is like, even though she goes into the other multiverse, Evelyn is still Evelyn Wong, right? She sees what this multiverse is about. She doesn't live that multiverse.

It's not like he, his character Wayman, when he is- Can travel. Right? But in that universe, he is who he is. Like the CEO, he doesn't know about the other universes so he is very contained with who raymond is in that universe but with her it's like she sees this is like why am i here and can you imagine when she went into the hot dog universe all right

nightmare antagonist jamie lee curtis who's deirdre whatever her name is like yeah deirdre bobeer bobeer dry i think it's her last name and she is suddenly her lover and coming at her with these like hot dog fingers and wanting to hug her and kiss her like don't touch me you know and that was the amazing thing about the whole thing. It's like, first you have to know your script. I am like Stephanie. She is brilliant with ad living and you know,

she is quick to change and do something. Extremely funny. She's right off the skin. She always has been. And I say to her, don't do that to me. Okay. I,

I, I'm not, I'm not going to make up. Not happening. You have to, there are certain guidelines that we're gonna do this absolutely i'm sure she listened she got the point yeah so then it's like when you get into all these things one thing i always say to my dinos, you are my anchors, right? Because we are going to be jumping from here to there all these kind of times. I'm going to look to you and say, okay, are we pasta?

Are we rock? Are we whatever? I'm not going to burn this. Because it's intercutting the whole time. Yeah. The two geniuses know exactly where they're going with Lockheed, our DP. And I think at the end of the day with Paul, our editor. Oh, my God.

They had it down to the T, like the action sequences. We don't have much time to shoot it, right? We have like a day and a half or two days maximum for the entire sequence of, you know, the thing and the that and the butt plugs and all those kind of things yeah they have to know what they need and if they don't have time they can get a bit more but they first have to shoot what they need i can't believe from like an art direction and set decoration standpoint that this was shot in eight weeks that is crazy that must have been like stepping into a completely different film every day yeah exactly i think what grounded us was the irs building ah we were very fortunate you know when you're you're an indie film you have to be creative you have to know where you

can save the money and you know put it right where you need to spend it. And so with this abandoned IRS building, it grounded us because we shot six weeks there. Yeah. Oh, really? We could go around this place. You could build little sets and things like that in there. So we had a place to go to which we were familiar with. I mean, it was a huge place, but it had us.

To sort of have it centralized in some way. And I heard this great story from Ki-Hwa sharing, having his dressing room next to Jamie Lee's, but Jamie Lee never being there. And then he finally was like, why are you ever in your dressing room? She was like, even with her career that spans decades, she goes,

I never learn anything in the dressing room. I always learn everything while I'm on set'm on set because she's amazing she is she's looking at an amazing talent like she's not just an amazing actress she's an amazing human being yeah thoughtful she's generous she's always giving and she's always learning and that's what we all need to do is that you wake up in the morning and not think, I know everything. So why don't you just go back to sleep then? Right? The whole process of being alive is about learning and experiencing and being there.

And Jamie wants to direct her own movie. She should. Oh, wow. She will. You know that she will. I mean, she has children's books. She has her own podcast. She has so many things.

She's ever, ever inventing and creating and things like that. So the next step for her is to tell her own story or direct her own film, right? Absolutely. She's right. What is she going to learn sitting in the, you know, and she's always out there because she loves people. Yeah. Always watching. And sometimes it's not fun. It's like

the legendary Jamie is watching your performance. Why don't you just go back, have a cup of coffee. Take a break, Jamie Lee. Chill out. Oh, but our friend Tally Meadow plays Stephanie's growth. Oh my God god she's so wonderful

in this bravo oh my god so bravo really that relationship that she has very very little lines but it's not how much screen time you have it's what you do impact impact and have that and she has such a beautiful presence she does that expressive eyes and face she doesn't have to say a word but you can you know so that's it was so well cast in that way she gave that brilliant performance she was saying that you were so so kind to her you were so just curious about her life. You made her feel so at ease. And I just, I read that. I read, she, you know, she posted this to her Instagram

and I just got so emotional. I wasn't surprised that you were gracious, but I was like, I mean, yeah, like you're the star. You're setting the tone and the environment for that kind of project that is so ambitious. And I don't know. I just, I just, I just think that's so special that you and Jamie Lee and Kiho't know i just i just i just think that's so special that

you and jamie lee and kihoi kwan just being like these three people who have seen various sides to this business all coming together kind of like handing it down to another generation of people no um not handing it down not handing it down sharing sharing i'm sorry yes sharing you know like but but teaching you know not yet not yet not sharing but you know like but teaching it not yet not yet not yet i'm so sorry but teaching it in a way you know like i i you know i don't think i am good enough oh we we don't try to teach we try to share and i think what it is is like when you see someone young and talented you have to tell them that they are talented. But making them understand, don't just take it for granted. Don't think I'm entitled. There is no entitlement.

We have been in the business so long and you look at us and say, oh God, you guys are successful, legendary, la, la, la, la, la. But every day we learn. We find things to learn. We don't just sit back and go, well, you know, bow down to it. No. And I want them to already begin the incredible journey. Understanding is like, as long as you are grounded, you will fly to a lot of places, but you will always feel the earth. But can you imagine if you fly and you don't know where to land? It's a long way down.

Yeah. You don't want that. Yeah. And it's interesting to hear you acknowledge, you know, people coming to you with this verbiage of legend. Like, you know, and even the movie is aware of that because when you need to acquire the skill of martial arts you know there's a funny montage that cuts to essentially b-roll of your

life and it doesn't form that but i wonder like what has it been that has kept you grounded and kept that mind mindset i mean you've worked with some incredible legendary people i was looking at the list of directors you've worked with i mean ang lee rob marshall you know upcoming james cameron i mean like and i'm gonna be asking about that but i i can ask away i bet i'm sure i can ask and you will give me nothing and you will just not right now um but is is it that is it the people you've worked with that have kept that instilled in you what has what has anchored you my family and friends my real friends you know it's like um i remember at the beginning very start and someone says you have to remember every time don't let every flash bulb

like make you go always appreciate your your opportunities that you are given love what you do because the day that you don't love to do it that means maybe it's time to move on to something else that you find joy in. And yes, when you meet, it's very interesting. The more successful they really are, the more grounded they are. They are not taken aback by the BS of glitz and whatever it is. Yes, we love that. You know, when we walk down the red carpet and all this, because this is part and parcel of the allure, the magic of the movies or TV.

And that gives our audience, our fans that, ah, isn't that great? Yes, it's part of the whole thing. I mean, you don't really want to see your stars coming out in their sweatpants and go like, yeah, whatever. You know? You want the glam factor.

Yeah. Yes. And for a night or two to dress up and have fun and, you know, look fabulous, why not? It's fun. But do I want to do it every night? No, absolutely not. No, no. But I think what it is, is like your real friends, your family, and a lot of times you make real friends in this world as well, right?

They ground you because they remind you who you are. You're not some character in a movie or a TV series. You are who you are and you should never, ever forget that. And be present present you know appreciate what you have that's that's the thing that really grounds me wow thank you i mean just going back to your script being tagged in all these ways i mean how did you develop the sense of for lack of a better word i'm using this word again development. Because I feel like it's always so finely tuned that you always match the tone of

the project. But then this is just so... You know, to go from Wild West Hong Kong, beginning of Hong Kong cinema days where no scripts, you just go in, they tell you what to say on the day, and then you do it. You don't have to think about it

on those sort of macro conceptual terms but now you i'm hearing you talk i could hear you talk forever about the way you prepared for this role like what what was the process like for what was your journey like to sort of get that instinct it's learning along the way it's like from no scripts and learning to shoot from the hip like okay whatever is thrown at me i mean when we started we don't have time for rehearsals we have no rehearsals you get there you get on the set you're all dressed in your uh your costume and they will choreograph the action sequence you learn it you shoot it and you do something else and like you say sometimes the lines are not given and you're going like one one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Oh, yeah.

Many, many times. And then finally, when you see the final cut of the movie, oh, that is what's going on in that. Yeah. Because they edit and they film so fast. I mean, for the longest of time, even Jackie Chan, we didn't have, we didn't use use we didn't dub our own movies right right somebody else did it for us yes it was only from when i did the song sisters that was the first

time i actually it was since it was recorded right on the set prior to that never because you know the the it we didn't have that kind of technology it wasn't done and it was much faster easier after they edit and get someone to do it as you know simultaneous while we're filming the editing there someone is recording it so wow that process didn't really come into play because there was no none of that time for it yeah yeah but what you did learn was that you watched and you listened and it was like how these i was very fortunate to work with some of the best actors in hong kong as well so i watched how they did it it was like i was fascinated how the hell do you cry on like yeah you know what do you do where is that coming from yes right and i think that's the time when you're

young and you have to be like i am a ding dong i have no i am i am learning and if i am so proud and say well then you look nothing i would go to like genie yip and say please teach me wow and you know then you work with like jiang wen or you know all the the amazing maggie chung and yeah oh my god we were best friends but you know i'm not afraid to ask my best friend i have no clue what i'm doing okay maybe i could do martial arts better than you but when it comes to the performances you guys and maggie is like an award-winning actress is to have a conversation with her and like so tell me how do you do this but i must say it's also the the the director starting with you know with uh tomorrow that never dies really was my first international sure and we have a bond girl in the zoom everyone okay have

some respect here this is our first bond girl ever on las culturistas it's a huge moment and i remember roger spottishwood turning to me and he says you know i can double you when it comes to the action we don't need need a martial artist or whatever it is. You are here because you demonstrated in your auditions that you can carry the role of playing Wei Lin. You don't need someone who can fight. Because I can't double you when it comes to the acting part. Emotional side, right?

So that's where you learn that how you have to be invested in the character. And every director gives you something. Aang taught me tremendously about giving the character a full background. Yeah, that's very clear. We watched the film again last night, Crouching Tiger, in preparation for this. And even when you first come in and you see chow yon fat for the first time there is so much history on your face oh my god and it is very lived in he's obviously an incredible director yes no surprises because i've had the

privilege of working with like danny boyle like rob marshall and all these kind of people. It's a learning process. But if you are ding-dong enough not to open your heart and mind to that, then you've lost great opportunities to learn. And so, you know, you gather all these kind of things and you learn how important the script is, how important the director is, how important your co-stars are, because you know that making a movie or a TV

series is not a one person thing. It's true collaboration on all the different levels and all the people behind the scenes, the crew, whether it's the gaffer, the DP, the set designer, the costume designer, your hair and makeup, makeup they help they're the accessories that make this character that help you build this character and make her real make her really really like you say have a life and yeah and i i just because i know you're not going to be able to tell us anything about the plot of the avatar sequels which you are and here's this is the question i will ask you what did you learn working with james cameron on these films if that's something you can answer he's a freaking genius yeah he is so creative he multitasked like madness he wow he's a writer he's the creator he dreams of all these universes that we can't even begin to fathom.

Okay, the one thing I said to him, can't you turn me blue? I don't want to. I'm like, oh, please, please, please. So I also learned that he is also very resolute in his decisions. Yeah, he seems to be a capital D director. Yeah.

You know what it is? You have to be. That's how you have to be. That's how you lead. It's a discipline. Yeah. It is. It's a determination, the discipline, you know, the do. You have to be the doer.

You have to be the one that says, yes, no, I imagine I have to visualize this. I have to fight for what I believe in. And it starts with the director, like here in the Daniels cases, with them. Oh my god. Before I forget, you mentioning Maggie Chung, I just think it's incredible. It's an incredible, everywhere all at once,

it's incredible for movie lovers, just because you can't believe you're watching snippets of a Wong Kar Wai film. You doing Maggie Chung, you know, and Kikwe doing Tony Leung. I was going to say, Kikwe's doing Tony Leung.

Like, it's just so incredible. And I just think, back to you in this movie, like for any actor, this would be so, so, so, it's steeping yourself in so much work on a technical level.

Masterclass. You know, obviously it's just a masterclass. So Michelle, I'm Michelle, just congratulations. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff.

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and I know you can answer it. We asked the question, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And I just want to know, what was it when you can think back to your childhood or maybe when you were a teenager, how did you decide to go along this path of becoming you like what was that thing you saw or received from the universe that made you say i'm gonna do

this uh okay as a child i think i was very open to the world of music dance and my mom used to say you know you could dance before you walked. And so, but I think one, I never dreamt that I would be an actress. I did not have that dream. I was always like the ballet. So watching ballets and, you know, seeing these ethereal creatures on the stage. But one thing that always fascinated me was the cinema. My mom was an avid cinema goer. So as a small child, we would go as a family to watch all these, whether it was Indian movies, comedies, love stories, Dracula, you imagine. And my dad was like the nature lover so documentaries tarzan ben-hur but that that feeling of the magic of cinema sitting there and like i still see myself you know like yeah wonder watching

like the sound of music wizard of oz it was like all the all the things that i love into that but i did not understand at that point the magic of cinema. You know, telling a story through cinema. It was just enjoying it and taking in that whole experience. Did it lead me to this? I think when I was given the opportunity to join it, when I went to Hong Kong to do the commercial, the watch commercial

with the jackie chan and i was given the opportunity to partake in this world and you go like oh my god i remember the magic of it yeah maybe i can be part of that maybe that was the the culture thing that drew yes and i had to say it sounds like it was yeah right so i said yes and today i still recognize that as a fact and i think when we went to watch uh everything everywhere all at once in south by southwest and i think for so many people it was the first time they'd gone to the cinemas in two years i mean these last two years has been such an impact on people's lives in so many different levels. And, you know, with our industry on how it's been, you know, touch and go and opening up more like streaming and different platforms for creative people, which is good. And sometimes you please don't just rush into it and turn it all out because right good things just take time and

time is something like we feel that we're always like oh come on come on i need more of uh but sitting in that cinema and watching not just our our love on there but sharing that experience yeah it was with everybody oh yeah that was like when you hear them laugh and you go yeah Sharing that experience. Yeah. With everybody. Oh, yeah. I was like, when you hear them laugh and you go, yeah, they actually find me funny. You know what's funny? You are so funny. And you were talking about how it's that communal experience. The first time I saw it, I did go by myself, but it was in a packed theater.

And during the end of the movie, I truly cried during the last 30 minutes. And I looked over at the guy next to me i truly cried during the last 30 minutes and i looked over at the guy next to me and we were having the same experience and it was really fun because even though i didn't know him it was that community connection right it was community and connection and that and i don't know anything about him you know i don't know anything about his life i don't know anything about the woman he was sitting next to but we knew that we were receiving the same messages and we were internalizing them and maybe it meant something different to him when he was thinking about his relationships in relation to the movie than it was for me but we

were both moved and when i went back with my friends um last night it was the same situation where i was just excited to share it and so I would say to everyone listening if you've been hesitant about going to the movies now is the time put the mask on if it's going to make you feel better go I mean it's just it's a movie that especially you

know in the sequences where your reality is breaking and they have those incredible montages and kudos to the editor just watching that in the theater it was breathtaking it was just simply breathtaking nicely put well done and with our last five minutes with you

we are going to do I don't think so honey so this Michelle is our one minute segment on Las Culturistas this very podcast where we take something in pop culture or in our lives that are bothering us and we do a rant for one minute about it using the phrase,

I don't think so, honey. Who's making the demonstration first? You're going to get two. One from Matt, one from me, and then you'll be all set to go. So for now, let's have Matt Rogers go. This is Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey, as time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Stephanie Shue as a texter. Girl, it takes you a day to get back to me and i know you can text your old girl

from college back sooner than that i know you're on a worldwide press tour mama i know all of a sudden we're at international film store suddenly and about to pop all the way off into another stratosphere but you can text me back because you listen we have a soul connection stephanie shoe and i soul connection i remember when you were florge as a sketch character in college this is just for me and you right now and people in hammer cats 30 seconds but i remember all the trips we took i've seen you get drunk on college campuses girl i have photos of you you do not want released so text me back within 18 hours let's say I'll give you a day text me back within 18 you always get back and it's always very warm and happy

don't forget about Matt Rogers me we used to have lunch in Downstein we shared emotional connections Stephanie Shue as a texter I don't think so honey Stephanie Shue as a person I do think so honey you're the most lovely person in the realm and I can't wait to hug you and squeeze you

we love you that's one minute. This is crazy. How did y'all guys do that? Wow. Are we going to be the project that scares Michelle Yeoh? After she's done so much? The project that Michelle Yeoh walks away from.

I can see where you guys definitely went to the same college, right? You guys can just do improv to crazy rants just like that. I can see where you guys definitely went to the same college, right? Oh, yeah. You can just do improv to crazy rants just like that. I mean, you should see. I mean, I think Stephanie Hsu and I think I've been in more situations with Steph Hsu and Bowen Yang than I can remember. But anyway, I love Steph.

I just I want to be texted back. She's got to text back. She is very busy right now. She did text texted back. She's got to text back. She is very busy right now. No, no, no. She did text me back. She did text me back. Stephanie, if you don't text him back, God knows what the next rant is going to be about. She has always been a flaky texter.

I will say that. Some people are not good at texting. Are you a good texter, Michelle? No. I am the worst. The worst. The worst. I've gotten worse. Yeah, Bowen has gotten way worse, actually. I'm sorry. Again, it's when they get famous, I'm telling you.

No, no, no. We have other things to do. I'm not going to say important things to do, but... Other. Other. All right, Bowen Yang, are you ready to do your I Don't Think So Honey? I'm ready. I'm ready.

This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, A Love Before time by Coco Lee and the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon movie not winning best original song at the Oscars in 2000 can I tell you can you guess which song won that year I bet you can't was it 2000

it was 2000 it was things have changed by Bob Dylan from Wonder Boys no thanks who cares I all do respect to Bob Dylan we love Bob Dylan on this podcast but a love before time is one of the most iconic Mandarin to English translations, international hits. 30 seconds. Can you think of an international hit from that time? Like for a movie to cross over that way and for the song to be nominated for the Oscar and to impact nations, communities all around the world and to not receive its due is abominable to me.

15 seconds. That song is auditory memory to me. It's sense memory to me when I think about Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I think about Michelle. I think about Chow Yun Fat. I think about Zhang Ziyi. I think about everybody, but that song deserves more. Five seconds. I can't believe we as a culture have forgotten about A Love Before Time by Coco Lee. That's one minute. And that's one minute.

Wow. Absolutely correct, Beau. Look at Michelle right now. That's one minute. And that's one minute. Wow. Absolutely correct, Bo. Look at Michelle right now. She is floored. Michelle, you can do it. You can do it. I know there's something in pop culture that grinds your gears.

Can you bring me a bottle of whiskey, please? Yes. Whatever else. You do it for as long as you want. It won't be the full minute, but something that's like on your mind, maybe. From this press tour, perhaps? Okay, you know what?

I think one thing that I would say is, I don't think so, honey. Here we go. You can't put your phone down and have dinner with your most adorable cuckoo and all of you are still on the freaking phone what are you texting someone on the table that's next to you and you can't have

a real conversation and when we go to the cinemas you freaking put your phone down absolutely and don't try and receive messages in the middle of a movie when your lights are so bright and you're taking me away from this amazing movie called everything everywhere all at once and if you don't look at it and watch your phone for two seconds 30 seconds grip on what is happening so i don't think so honey that you can't put your phone down you have to put your phone down because you want to have a gorgeous dinner with your adorable godmother or auntie or whatever it is and you've got your phone down and if you're in the cinema if i see you one more time i don't think so honey you're gonna get away with it because i'm flat the hell out of you five seconds phone and eat you okay i love you

michelle you really buried the lead on that one. You were great. That was perfect. Oh my gosh. I can't believe I did that. You know, the Alamo Drafthouse where I saw the first time I saw Everything All At Once, I love, they really, they make it funny too.

Like they're like, seriously put the phone away. Seriously put the phone away. And you do. But it's crazy that we have to get to this point where we're like threatening the audience because they really can't put the phone away, seriously put the phone away. And you do. But it's crazy that we have to get to this point where we're like threatening the audience because they really can't put the phone down. No, it's so crazy. And then they answer the phone.

It's like, yeah, I'm watching a movie. Okay. Yeah, I'm in the cinema. Okay, I'll call you back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in the cinema watching a movie. And you're like, what the hell? Yeah, I know.

You're not watching the movie anymore if you're on the phone. Wow was so so special thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us michelle we know you're busy thank you both of you and the movie is everything everywhere all at once and luckily for you it's now playing nationwide everyone lucky audiences everywhere um and you have to go you have to go and you you're gonna. And you, you're going to be moved by it. You're going to be surprised by it. You will laugh, scream,

cry, feel all the emotions. And isn't that why we go? Yeah, it's the way we go. Thank you so much, Michelle. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. It was a real pleasure talking to both of you. Thank you for taking the time. Oh my gosh, of course.

Well, well, well, there it was. Yeah, just really fantastic. I won't get over this. This is a highlight of my year. Highlight of my life. You texted me right after Cloud 9.

Cloud 9. Cloud 9. Thank you for bearing with this structurally different kind of episode you know she this opportunity to talk to her came in a little last minute and we were like yes let's we've got to make it work no matter what i mean i texted people like you know producers at work i was like i need this hour blocked off yeah i'm it's a very important thing that i have to do so please don't schedule anything around it i've never pulled that before I was like you need to like leave this open so um completely worth it

I think yeah this is amazing and we only jumped on because we want to give the readers a full episode um well you see we jammed in the culture question we jammed in I don't think so honey and we're gonna jam in the fact that we finish every episode with a song great

I would still find my way by the light I see in your eyes The world I know fades away before time It's an amazing song. I love that

before tired that was good listen to it it's like it's like an R&B song mixed with like a traditional Chinese like Gujang

bop like it's it's such an underrated song Bowen got quiet Han says and I agree he did get quiet wait really?

like my gain is off? my gain is off? yeah something happened I thought you did it on purpose no no did you touch the mic hans is saying um i don't think so how's how's it now is it better yeah okay okay i think you have to sing it again really it got quiet in the song very okay and we're keeping this whole thing. You have to sing it again. I would still

find my way by the light by the light see in your eyes the world I know fades away before time time

I butchered the last little melody, but there it is. I think it was one of the most stunning vocal performances of the decade. I think that- Coco Lee. Her name is Coco Lee. Can you think of a better pop star name?

I can't. And I know names like Camila Cabello. Cabello. And I still think this name is better. Thank you. Well, goodbye. Bye. To hear the rest of that song, listen to A Love Before Time by Coco Lee on the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon soundtrack.

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