Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "EXPOSED" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: March 23, 2022

SO. Matt and Bowen blacked out at the Critics Choice Awards and discuss what they remember, which leads into a discussion on how critics shape culture and what gets seen and heard by the masses. Also, how the CCAs are becoming the new Golden Globes, Jane Campion going good viral and then bad viral in 24 hours, the Oscar race turning in CODA's favor, Charli XCX and her new album CRASH, Showtime popping off, Melanie Lynskey finally getting hers, and the joy of Sunday. All that, Katy Perry's PLAY Vegas residency, Dua on tour, allergy season during COVID, and what NOT to ask. Betty Who next week!!!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes! Oh my goodness! Wow! Las Culturistas! Ding dong! Las Culturistas calling! A beautiful day for culture talk! I'm really feeling this Sunday energy.

We're recording on Sunday in person in Los Angeles. Sort of, you know, a Sunday kind of love. Just, you know, some light Etta James references there. I don't know, just to get some culture right up top. Oh my God. You got Etta. You got Maroon 5. You got every Sunday culture thing kind of really converging in this room. I think Sunday, let's talk about Sunday. Sunday is one of the most iconic days. So commonly, one of the things you think of when you think Sunday is, of course, brunch, which we did do today. We did do that. With Joel Kim and his

boyfriend, John Michael, the iconic John Michael. With an iconic last name. Sudsina. Sudsina. We're fully doxing this beautiful boy. He is such a wonderful boy. And you know what? He's so wonderful. You know what I love? Yeah. Is when people come up to us and they say, We're fully doxing this beautiful boy. He is such a wonderful boy. He's so wonderful. You know what I love? Yeah. Is when people come up to us and they say, you two look alike. Girl.

Because he's hot. Let's just say it. He's a reader. He's a reader, publicist. And then we did, so our server brunch did point that out today. And then I. We have an iconic server today.

Jessica. Jessica comes over to the table and Bowen was there by himself. I was there by myself waiting for the rest of the group to join. I'm just there sort of sitting. And then she comes up to me, and she goes, Hi, how are... Oh, I'm so sorry. You have an amazing energy.

I was like, oh! It wasn't even like, oh my god, you're Bowen Yang from Saturday Night Live, as people are wont to do. It was, oh my god, you have an amazing energy. And I was like well it's true i wasn't giving off anything and then and then you don't have to babe but all you have to do is sit there and emanate okay that's what a star does this is what happened though she said that and i was like i received that thank you so much but then of course what should happen that i

go into my own head and go well now i'm I'm a little too aware of... Your own energy. Now I'm trying to adjust and be like, oh, let me not go too strong with that. Let me just pull back a little. Then you start to second guess yourself when someone gives you a compliment like that. That's so abstract, a lovely compliment. That feeling when you're emanating so hard

that you have to pull it back. Girl. Slay. Slay. Absolutely slay and go off. And was it... Just to say about slay and go off and was it just to say about slay and go off we saw Mitra Juhari yesterday

and checked in with her and do people know about slay what you want to slay I think they do I think we've said I think we have documented should we perform the song Mitra Juhari did an incredible update of the song Brave by Sara Bareilles this is circa 2016

so way back in sort of what we call in the pop culture lexicon the Brave by Sara Bareilles. This is circa 2016. So way back in sort of the, what we call in the pop culture lexicon, the Brave by Sara Bareilles era. Yes. So this is when Brave was sort of the top song of the moment. And the song goes like this. Slay what you wanna slay And let the queen drag her

Honestly, I wanna see you go off an improvement on the song I wanna see you go off sometimes I do wanna see you go off I wanna see you go off there's never a time where I don't wanna see you my sister go off

you're in luck because let me tell you something it's an episode of Lost Culture East and I have no choice but to absolutely pop off on pop culture and all the topics therein. Okay? They're solely based on the one event that they let

Matt and I go to. The one, like, semi-prestigious Hollywood event that we were able to go to this awards season together. It was the Critics Choice Awards. Which, let's just say, I didn't realize, did you realize that it was going to be film and television? I wasn't sure. Well, you had

come to meet me in my hotel, first of all, landed at a cool 11.30am. I had to be at my hotel and be ready for the people to come in and do your hair and makeup and put you in your

clothes at like 12 30 so i had no time at all i'm jet lagged not even jet lag you were dragging sleep deprived dragging just really really in the depths and so i came over to the hotel to sort of get ready for it and i of course said what you always have to say to a tired person which is well let's drink well let's drink. Well, let's drink. I said, let's order a bottle of champagne. We were celebrating. You were nominated. And it was the right move.

I don't regret that champagne at all. Really loosened me up, really energized me. But then you had even asked me in that moment, is it film and TV? And I was like, I'm really not sure. Come to find out, it's absolutely film and television. So we're there. And I don't know how you feel, but like I was drunk from go. I was drunk from go on the red carpet.

If you go back, I can just say I was dressed in the most wonderful garment by Willie Norris. Shout her out. And I was already three sheets to the wind on the red carpet if you i'm but i'm not so i'm saying i'm not proud of my red carpet photos this time because i was not in the right state of mind by being sleep deprived and a little buzzed i mean i quickly found out that it was film and television when i because i i was like we get in line about so peek behind the curtain you have to sort of like get in line for the red carpet let's tell it's like all these like cuckoo celebrities in line like getting ready for the red carpet and i was like girl i'm not getting on this carpet there's no reason for me to be out there this time so let me go get another drink so i go to the side and get another drink and when i tell you i'm at the bottom of the escalator

waiting for boeing and you're seeing everybody and i'm literally it's literally like you guys would die picturing me at the bottom of the escalator waiting for Bowen, who was last down the escalator, by the way. You took the longest ass time. Kristen Stewart is going by. Kirsten Dunst is going by. Elizabeth Olsen goes by. Fucking everyone's going by. And I'm just literally sitting there like, what the fuck is this?

And it's like sinking in that it's film and television, which also makes me realize she gonna be long she's gonna be a long show yeah and we were drunk already and i knew we were gonna be drinking at the table but i said they have there has to be like an entree at the table we arrived at the table it's not even room temperature hummus it was cold hummus it was giving i mean i had no problem with the temperature of the hummus and the big piece of bread they gave but that was all it was that was all it was and so of course everybody getting wasted wasted i'm quoting the song but yes we see everybody in the club get tips everybody shout back out to that shout back out to who is that who's saying that man i don't know that one's lost the time i don't even think you can google that i don't even think you can google who's saying that man i don't know that one's lost the time i don't even think you can google that i don't even think you can google who's saying tipsy jay kwan jay see that's what i'm saying it's like who who could say that who can jay kwan tipsy like talk about the sarah brellis brave of

its time and that it was everywhere in the year it was out which was let's say 2007 if you were everybody in the club get tipsy. If you were to do like a Mitra Jahari, like re-write of the lyrics, what would that be? Everybody at the gig go slay. Everybody at the gig go slay. Everybody at the event go get drunk. Yeah.

So that was sort of what everyone was doing and you sort of look around and it's all these psychotically famous people and of course you know bowen yang we were all rooting for him but he did lose to brett goldstein who has won i think at the pulitzer prize and nobel prize at this point like wins every single award that is actually in existence so we were sort of like okay slay go off queen queen um we were happy for him in London, but then we proceeded to get even drunker. There was a 30-minute period of panic when I lost my phone. That was the most high-stakes situation I've ever been in. I think I was in tears.

You were, I'm sorry, you were comically distressed. It wasn't even, it wasn't funny. It's so embarrassing. But you were just like, it was as if, like. Someone was dead. I didn't want to say it, but, you were just like, it was as if... Someone was dead. I didn't want to say it, but someone had passed away. Well, because I really didn't want to lose my phone at Critics' Choice. And so then I was so blacked out by...

Literally, the show was still 45 minutes left to go. Did I tell you Darcy sent me a video of me standing full up? And that room full of people. While Jane Campion is on stage not making the Venus and Serena comment, but with her and her producer and Kirsten and Jesse Plemons accepting best picture

for Power of the Dog. I'm standing up. You're the only person standing up in that room of hundreds of A to C listers. You getting up and just looking so so so, so distressed. And I'm walking out. I honestly, it was that kind of thing where it was like,

I don't remember that happening at all. And that's what I mean is like when I tell you they don't feed you at all. So anyway, just know that's where we were at. I did find my phone. Thank you, Kevin, whoever you are. We're security. You are an absolute star. You got my phone back.

It was me. You, Lauren Mandel. Love our girl, Lauren. Love our girl. Was nominated. you are working security you are an absolute star you got my phone back it was me you lauren mandel love our girl lauren love our girl was nominated for producing joy on the cole johnson's slay and joyelle was we we oh my god joyelle was the superstar of this afterpart looked incredible looked incredible we need to get joyelle on this pod we really do we're in this space joints were being handed handed, passed around. So let's just say this. I'm so tired. I'm sorry.

There's someone in Hollywood that no one is talking about that is an icon. Or no one's talking about them enough that is an icon that was handing out blunts at this Netflix after party. Like they were the queen. It was the most, to say the least. I think that the queen it was the most to say the least i think everybody was wasted and

are you gonna are you about to say that you think that quirk's choice is trying to make a play for being the new i think that they're trying to be the new globes because the globes are like not exist not existing anymore and i think if they're trying to be the award show that gets everyone they're fucked up mission accomplished mission a% accomplished. I lost faculties on the night. To the point where this weed that we were handed by this absolute legend. Legend. In the making.

Legend already, but more people will be talking about this person. It's just, I can't explain. But the weed, I don't know what it did for you, but it was like that weed we got from that other icon at the Madonna party. Do you remember when we went to the Madonna boom room party? It was very similar.

That legend gave us weed and it took us to another place. It was like, you guys, you readers know, like when you smoke weed and you're in space, but you can feel your feet on the ground. A hundred percent. It's like an hour and a half later,

I felt my feet like two on the ground and i was wearing heavy boots so when i realized i couldn't pick my feet up anymore at 9 45 p.m i was like okay girl it's time to get my it's time to throw my ass in a lift and didn't even say goodbye to you no you didn't and i i don't i i don't begrudge you of that either i had to go but i actually kind of loved the timing of this day oh yeah this night because the show starts at the awards start at 4 p.m pacific by 10 p.m you're done you're absolutely cooked and it's actually a great time to go to bed on a Sunday. Like Thanksgiving dinner. Like Thanksgiving dinner. And you're getting up tomorrow to go to Kohl's to go Black Friday shopping. A.K.A. work for me.

I had to fully work. You had to work. I had nothing going on. But it was, let's just, if I was to say, we had a fun fucking evening. Despite your loss. Oh my God. I was not expecting anything. Truly, truly truly truly

and you know who we met and connected with and she's gonna be a future guest oh my god the one and only Josie Tota Josie Tota who is just absolutely resplendent in person

yes a superstar and we're in talks with Camp Josie to get her in this fucking room. Yeah. So we can all sort of, you know, verbally tickle each other, as it were. Oh my God. That is exactly...

Consensually! And you are speaking as a tickler, and I'm agreeing with you as a person who hates getting tickled. But we can both be excited for the tickle fest that will be josie being on the pod it has to be in person i'm sorry and if it doesn't work out that way then that's fine too but i would love for it to be in person yeah i would love that too but josie um verbal tickling is perfect she's gonna come in here all of her little digits are

gonna be out just like very naturally funny person so funny i i loved her and it was just fun and also you know it is it so much culture was happening in that very moment in fact i think we have to discuss some things that happen okay so you couldn't tell at the netflix after party that this had happened but jane campion while accepting the best director award at the criticsics' Choice Awards said, Venus and Serena, you don't have to play with the men like I do. No reason for her to say that? No real reason for this to be said? Kind of a really,

really kind of deranged thing to say. Sort of deranged. And now you sort of see the winds turning away from Power of the Dog and towards Coda. But voting is closed for the Oscars. I don't think it is. I think there's still some time left for the Oscars.

And, you know, I don't know if there's any way she loses the Best Director Oscar. And it's just such a shame because it's such a slam dunk. Like, she so deserves it. Bowen and I both stan Power of the Dog. But you're saying, like, if she wins, it won't be this, like, victory lap moment for her on on oscar sunday it'll be like okay there goes jane well she did put out a good apology yes i think she did and um it was funny because it happened this is you know the devil works quick because this is the same weekend where she responded to all those comp did you see the comments that sam elliott made about the power of the dog so i literally was talking to mark

malkin on the red carpet and and I said, I was wasted, and there's video of this, if readers want to look this up, but I'm talking to Mark, and I'm going, thank you for asking, or that moment is like, we're talking about this Jane Campion moment.

And he was like, all I did was ask her the question, and then we talked about her. Mark is a slay. Mark is a slay, and looking good. He's looking good. He's a slay, and a slay and looking good he's looking good he's a slay and also I want to

shout out Mark because Mark also really supported three months Mark really supported three months and he's so excited for Fire Island

he would not stop talking to me about how excited he is maybe Mark should come on the pod I would love for Mark to come on the pod yeah that would be

a fun idea actually oh my god he would have so much to say I think that we would have a lot to say because Mark is an icon. 1,000%.

Let's just bookmark that. Let's put a pin in that. Put a pin in that. And say you were just, so you asked, you told him, thank you for asking that question. We just talked about that moment. Right. And, you know, I just said, like, what a great moment that was. And, like, what a great line. He and uh like what a great line he's not a cowboy he's

an actor so for those of you readers out there that don't know what we're discussing basically sam elliott like unprompted a couple weeks ago came out with this like he was interviewed and he was asked about power of the dog and i suppose you know because sam elliott is synonymous with the western genre or is that gives the type of vibe he gives as an actor he felt entitled to say what he said which was basically why would they shoot this western in new zealand what does she know about westerns etc sort of dragging the hell out of power of the dog saying some you know not so thinly veiled homophobic things about how there was a lot of gay shit in the movie and um you know ultimately just kind of dragging power of the dog and being like calling it a piece of shit and stuff so mark malkin if you don't know exactly

who he is you have seen him he's sort of been like a fixture in pop culture and in media for quite a long time asked jane campion about it and jane campion basically said in in not exactly these words but she basically said well i think he was being a little b-i-t-c-h and i have news for him he's not a cowboy he's an actor and also it felt a little sexist to me and like basically saying like artists and creators like she was fully entitled to make this movie and shoot it wherever she wanted to and it's actually an incredibly beautiful film and it's well done. And it's,

I mean, he wishes he were, he were in it. So then she goes like super viral in a positive way for that comment for like 24 hours, maybe less than that. Yeah. So then she wins the best director award.

Were you in the room for that? Because I was off looking for my phone. Neither of us were in the room. I was not in the room for that. And if I was, I for my phone. Neither of us were in the room. I was not in the room for that. And if I was, I was plastered. Honestly, I think had she said it and we'd been in the room, we would have reacted. So I know for a fact,

because after you lost, we kind of were like, let's go drink. Which is the beauty of that kind of event, which is like, the Emmys it was kind of like, alright, well, we had wine at the Emmys. But I always appreciate like, some access to some, coping thing,

and yes, I was pretty checked out, the rest of the show. And that's also what's good about like, the categories that like, you're in like, early, they're early,

they're early bitch, supporting in a comedy, that's like first or second, and so you find out your fate, and then you're, you're, you're fucking zhuzhing. Yes.

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And I do want to shout out Melanie Linsky. Melanie. Because it's, because. Congrats. It's giving overdue. Yeah. It's giving character actress gets hers. Yes.

In a way that I'm obsessed with. She also gave an iconic speech. I was just so, because I always like, all the time people come up to me and say, I don't want Jess and Elle. But I'm like, you know, I'm like, okay, that's fine. Like, it doesn't really affect anything about this interaction. But like, I think, and I find it sort of nice when people don't let that sort of tonally change the conversation. I feel ashamed as a Showtime girl that I have not watched this show. You're like a network sibling.

I literally should be watching it. Tonally, it's like, it freaks me out a little bit. But Melanie Linsky won Best Actress in a Drama Series, and her speech was absolutely amazing, and it was this. Um, okay, sorry. I really wasn't this. the beautiful cast of our show.

They're the most talented group of people I've ever had the opportunity to work with. Sophie Nelisse, you did about 70% of the work for me. Playing young Shauna, you're a miracle, and I love you. You're all amazing. All my wonderful friends who I got to work alongside, thank you. I feel like I'm going to faint same but I hope I don't thank you for giving me this opportunity thank you for letting

me be exactly as I am not asking me to change anything or do anything different It means a lot. It's meaningful. Gosh, thank you. Showtime and E1. I have the greatest agent in the world, Rhonda Price. She believes in me. She's made about zero dollars from me for a long time now. So thank you for encouraging me to make good choices.

It's true. Sorry. Sorry, Rhonda. Please wrap it up. good choices. Sorry, sorry, Rhonda. I know I'm forgetting everything. My husband, Jason, the love of my life, the greatest support, our daughter, I love you both so much. The most important person I think I have to thank and then I'm finished is my nanny, Sally. I love her. She's an absolute angel. She's with my child. I know my child is safe and taken care of

and she allows me to go and do my work and she's just... Thank you, Sally. I love you so much. Thank you. Okay? The gag that that's her voice yeah that's her accent kiwi fish it is give it is kiwi boots kiwi boots and she's been in everything from like sweet home alabama where she did that accent and like everything in her entire career she's not handed that card over at all it's really wild wild. And just what a resume on her.

I mean, truly, someone that has been in so many different kinds of things. And it's like someone who's reliably always good and fitting in perfectly. You know, even just this year in Don't Look Up, she was great. Who was she in Don't Look Up? She was Leo's wife. Oh my God, she was amazing amazing and this is what i'm saying this is why i love when this type of person this type of actor gets shined yeah is because you're not like oh like oh you're not like oh sure yeah yeah i don't know it's just this thing of like a

true character actor that plays the roles and it's reliably good and you remember her from the movie but you're not you don't feel like I don't think she's ever like came in and like ever chewed scenery or done too much you know she's just reliable good does her fucking job I think I say it's like Kirsten vibes it's like Kirsten vibes without only kind of

fully keys into it doesn't like exactly it doesn't like I don't know like rock the boat or anything or, I don't know, which is not, which is, which sounds wrong, but you don't,

you know what I mean? I do know. I guess what I'm saying is like, it's a truly under the radar presence. Yes. And actually it's, do you know her breakout was Kay Winslet's breakout was heavenly creature, heavenly creatures,

which was directed by Peter Jackson. I believe this is way back in like 1994. Early 90s. So this is someone who's been around for an extremely long time. And I also remember. She was in Botanical Cheerleader. It's crazy. Yes.

Yeah. Like such a vast array of projects and now gets this great role in Yellow Jackets and like wins this big award. And it's just cool because you have to imagine that everyone that's ever worked with her is happy for her yes and when she said that thing about thanks for asking me not to change or do anything different you have to imagine like she's had to sit with that for her whole career someone who maybe hasn't fit into the box of what like you know people want from like a leading type i also read an interview with her one time when she said you know sometimes she will get scripts and be offered the lead and she always gravitates toward one time and she said, you know, sometimes she will get scripts and be offered the lead. And she always gravitates toward like the freak supporting character or like, you know, something else. And I just I don't know.

I just really, really respect her as a performer, as an actor. And it's just nice to see a person like that get a lot of credit like that. You were saying this earlier off mic, but like there's something really cool about critics choice having it be shaped by the critics yeah having nominees be really interesting not like myself notwithstanding it's like you do get like in my cat let's just go with my category yeah um just because this is the one i can name off the top brandon scott jones brandon scott jones exactly like harvey yes harvey guillen um fucking ray romano yeah like we had a fun wacky category yeah like all kind of like kind of just covered all the bases ran the gamut and again like it felt like very like much like a snapshot of like what these performances were

this season because you want to know what the critics actually do watch everything yeah and so you got a sense like looking around seeing everyone that was there it was like you know what's funny it's like kristin chenoweth was nominated for schmigadoon awesome she was so great in that and such a such a highlight of that show and then to see her recognized for it even though the show doesn't necessarily have like buzz right now in terms of awards right in terms of awards like right now for me it's like i would so much rather a a group like the critics or organization or whatever whoever critics choice association all getting together to vote on this instead of like you know 84 foreign journalists who can throw a good party this actually is a good party that was thrown in. It's a fun show. Yes. But also at the same time, it's like a cultivated list of performers.

Like, for example, fucking Josie Toto. Josie Toto! Who deserves to be nominated. And I think, I mean, I remember first season of Saved by the Bell, I was on the nominating committee for Sagan. I wrote her fucking name down. Yeah, I know. She just deserves. If you're going to talk about supporting actress in a comedy series,

like, she's one of the funniest ones. She's like, she's giving you like young Jenna Maroney on that Tracy Wakefield show, like, with the 30 Rock DNA in it. Yes. Like, 100%.

And it also, I will say, this is just like, whatever, like a little, a little esoteric, a little whatever. I'm so tired, bitch. I'm sorry. I'm going to keep saying it.

Which is one of the most interesting things people can sorry. I'm going to keep saying it. Which is one of the most interesting things people can say. It's rule of culture number 40. One of the most interesting things people can say is I'm tired. I'm so tired. Yeah, I'm so tired. But the thing about, the lovely thing about Critics' Choice being a nominee was having a lot of critics come up to me and say, it's so nice to meet you, like saying all these nice things.

And I'm like, oh, this is a thing that I take for granted. You don't get that at other award shows where you're talking to, if it was the Golden Globes, it was just some HFPA fucking freaks. And you're like, oh, okay, hi. It also matters what they think. It totally does. That's the thing. The projects that I've been in, because I've been in projects, and I don't know how you feel, but I've been in projects that were both really well-received and then really badly received, at least initially by critics, which is so funny because Q-Force was nominated for animated series, and it was not well-received by the critics at first. But I genuinely think that when more people sat with it and watched it, they liked it more.

But it actually really matters because nowadays there's so much shit you can watch and so when something gets like panned you know that it moves down your list like and then you're not motivated to watch it i as a viewer i'm like well i guess i'm not gonna check that out because it seems like the critics say they don't like this which is is helpful and also whatever it's like it's complicated but it's like i was about to say much like alphabets being a critic is like going to war being a critic is like going to war you have to watch a million but they enjoy it they enjoy it but to form to like really like scope out and like be like this is what i think the journalistic take on the show is yeah is hard it's like very difficult i also wonder how easy it is to take personal taste out of it like i think

that some people who review things like you get a sense that they feel maybe because they've been doing it for a while or their personal taste does inform their uh critical eye that they feel very comfortable bringing like their personal taste to it. Like for example, someone like, I don't know, like he doesn't do it anymore, but like Ben Brantley.

Yeah. It's like he was kind of the only critic in theater that really mattered, which is kind of crazy because then you have to really cater to, and I'm sure he's great at what he does and he is great at what he does, but really one person who by being a human being is subjective whereas like but it's shaping like the way that people consume theater like a whole sector in a major way i mean he could he could open or close shows like he could he could close a show no i remember with a bad review and um it was really

interesting and also to to know what types of this is another thing people don't really think about is you know back in the day like anyway when the critics as a as a whole were really mostly older and white and men it's like that informs the consensus on a project. So that's why, you know, romantic comedies were taken less seriously by and large and female driven things were taken less seriously by and large or like, you know,

why certain people were anointed by critics and others were not. Like it really has to do with the critical body. And so that is another thing that we have to be talking about in terms of diversity and representation oh yeah 100 it's the reason why we say things on this show like lol like clueless would have been nominated or mean girls would have been nominated like you know you would have had rachel mcadams be nominated right if it were if it came out now or things like that. Yeah. Sensibilities back then were largely defined and shaped by the critics.

Right. The critical voices. You know, sometimes when like queer reviewers look at a queer project, I wonder if they're harder on that project because they're looking at it through the lens of a queer eye. Not to say that that's that shouldn't happen. No, totally. But but just, you know know it's interesting the way certain things get funneled through this landscape that is the critical process yes yes um and it's just interesting and so and something i really enjoyed about the night the other night and i

think it might speak to the fact that like maybe now and only now are the critics organization is that critics choice organization our association ready to have a big show like this is because there was so much diversity in the nominees because there really was there really was there truly was and um yeah i don't know i just um felt really lucky to be there truly was an honor just to be nominated it was a really cool show to to go to yeah it was great it was fun and also great. It was fun. And also, so, I mean, we were there. And so half the show was happening in London and half the show was happening there. And so we were, was Troy Kotzer at that show?

Was who? Troy Kotzer. Who is that? He is the supporting actor who's winning everything for CODA. Oh. He was in, I think he was in, no oh he was in i think he wasn't no he was in london because he had won the bafta so the baftas were the same day as the critics choice awards so they were truly doing like six to eight hours of award shows over there which is insane

knowing that we did not eat the whole time i hope they fed them but like um it's also really nice, like, lately to see the diversity conversation now sort of accompany deaf people. Like, that's something I've been really enjoying about, like, CODAs. And I don't think, for me personally, I hope that Power of the Dog wins Best Picture. I think it's the best film of the year. But it's something that's nice is, like, at least people's eyes are being opened now to the fact that this is a very underserved community in media. Yes. Very. We talked about this.

We still haven't seen it. I will before Sunday. Yeah, I mean, I remember I turned around and saw Marlee Matlin at the awards. Why we gasped. I mean, she's an absolutely beautiful person. But then she was talking to Molly Shannon and I was like there's a similar vibe here

these two women with like similar faces similar stature you know what it is like Marley obviously communicates with her whole body and so does Molly no but I think they look alike oh yeah yeah yeah

I got to introduce bowen and molly shannon and that was like a moment of my life i fucking love that woman and i am obsessed for everyone to see the show i can't wait she oh let's talk about the trailer for i love that for you well the star no vanessa honestly vanessa i just molly and matt rogers The star. No. Vanessa Bayer. Honestly, Vanessa, I just. Molly and Matt Rogers. Well, and fucking say it. Jennifer Lewis. Jennifer Lewis.

I will say it was the first time I had seen sort of what the show's going to look like. Yeah. Because it's so funny because I think with almost everything I've done, I've been in some way creatively involved or at least like, you know, gotten to peek behind the curtain a little bit. With this, I'm kind of just like going out out there hitting my mark and getting the fuck out so this is my first time i've seen what the show's gonna look like and it made me excited oh my god really excited feeling bowen goes to me you're like in the trailer i'm like yeah girl i'm like in the

show she's miss button you are serving the button button on a platter honey i think everyone's gonna like the show you guys april 29th it's streaming it's streaming i can't wait by then you will have to be a network sister with the yellow jackets crew see see and this is the thing it's like on on a on a basis of entertainment like i would love yellow jackets but people have people who love gore and love horror have told me like this is not for you mama like turn away it was making me queasy so I want to watch it desperately but like I have to be

in the right headspace it's just so boring do the thing where you just close your eyes I know queen I know and we were just talking about this on the way here

well first of all let's keep talking about I love that for you but I just we were all we were saying in the car me you and Joel got brunch today with JM

yeah really talking about how like Showtime is gonna be that girl popping off it's gonna pop off um the first lady show looks awesome i just found out about this today yeah so it's viola davis has michelle obama michelle pfeiffer as betty ford and jillian anderson as eleanor roosevelt and i don't exactly know how they're gonna roll it out but it's a limited series

and it's about the three of them. And obviously they don't interact. But it's going to, I guess it's like a nonlinear type thing, but it looks great. And when I heard Viola Davis as Michelle Obama, I think some part of me was just like,

oh, like, is that like a little first thought? And then I saw the photo of her and I was like, oh my God, I'm so fucking excited. It was impactful joel showed me that that promo image and i was like wow you should see the trailer yeah i haven't even yeah it's great and the thing is someone said like well what about michelle obama is like dramatically someone said someone did toss this off and it's i'm not dragging that person but they were like what about michelle obama is like dramatically compelling like what what was the controversy during the obama years

and i'm saying like the fact that there was no controversy really during the obama years and the fact that she kept so composed and had to be an image of perfection that we had never seen before from a first lady simply because of her race yeah and because she was now a prototype and a role model for the rest of time that is the dramatically compelling element because you know she had ups and downs emotionally you know that presidency ended in a harrowing way yeah yeah so that's where it is that's where it lies god i mean you could do a whole fucking season of a show based on like that like moment where like the trumps show up to the white house it's like that's it's just yeah i mean there's plenty there there's plenty there and then i

guess you know i i'm i'm a flop and i never read becoming but i feel like um you know just pull from that there's plenty of stuff i mean i saw the netflix series and also she's been pretty open about the fact that that was hell for her yeah like absolute hell for her yeah and but being first lady no like the transition transition yeah yeah that they had to go through with that in a dignified way despite the fact that they were you know handing it over to clown.com yeah and um i think that that had she acted any differently people would have been all over it and people still found a way i remember getting into like a facebook argument with like a high school teacher i had about how you know she was wrong for calling out trump or that she was like making it quote unquote about race, about something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I was just like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. I was like, and that just goes to show how people were primed to try to destroy her. Yes, yes. So she had to be everything and more. And there is a lot to play there dramatically. One million percent, 1,000%. And Viola will be...

She'll be amazing. And also, because Viola is that power, that stoicism, but there is that passion. And the thing that I think about Viola Davis' acting is

there is such a... There's always boiling... She holds suffering. She holds it. Yes. It's that August Wilson thing of like, it's just like, it's so, it vibrates in her.

It's like we remember Doubt. Yeah. You know, which was really her first big emergence onto the scene in her first Oscar nomination. And she's got that scene with Meryl Streep where Meryl Streep is confronting her because, well, she's informing her that her son is in a relationship with Philip Seymour Hoffman, the priest. That may be inappropriate. And Viola's job in this scene is to basically try to tell Meryl Streep it's not a big deal and she's not interested in making a thing of it. Because if her husband were to find out, he would kill his son. And what's so bad about this you

know man taking care of her son and meryl streep is not able to understand it and viola is so genius in that scene because she is maintaining a composure when inside it is so complicated and she does know her son is being taken advantage of and she does have a deep understanding that this is wrong and she is confused about her son's nature and you know there's just so much there and when she sort of blows and gets emotional it's it's it's really sort of a special moment in acting because she's been holding it back yeah and there's that tension and that repression that is not easy to do. No, no. I'm excited. I can't wait.

I'm thrilled. Between First Lady. First Lady? First Lady. The First Lady is what it's called. Between that, Yellow Jackets. I love that for you. Amazing slate.

We're going to see. Amazing slate. All I can tell you is that I sometimes find myself in a room with Vanessa Bayer, Molly Shannon, and Jennifer Lewis fucking firing off. And I'm like, I think I'm the luckiest person in the world. Oh, that's so nice, man. I really think I am. Like, I just, like, I couldn't be more excited for everyone to see it. That's so, but I know the headline will be that, like. Come on.

It's like Matt Rogers. Like, everyone's gonna be like oh my god well you're nice up well we'll wait to see it first i have no fears i have no doubts i'm i like like everyone internally is saying how great you are in it i can't wait i'm over here just like on the edge of my seat i can't wait to watch and um even from the trailer just like seeing you act opposite jennifer is incredible and um even from the trailer just like seeing you act opposite jennifer is incredible and jennifer's giving you something that you we haven't really seen as an audience either you know what's amazing about jennifer is she vibe wise is exactly what you

think like she is that larger than life personality she is incredible like if you don't if you haven't read her book the mother of black hollywood you definitely have to or better yet listen to it on audiobook yeah and she's made of stories i am so like enriched by my interactions with her in terms of like the stories that she tells but also like you know when she tosses it away she has such power it's really interesting to even just from the trailer just being like oh she's really kind of playing it at a different frequency than what I've seen her do. And it's really, it's like,

oh, this is so great. This is a new novel thing that we're getting from someone who's been working in the industry for decades. It's an amazing role for her. Yeah.

And I'm really excited for people to see what they gave her and how it all unfolds. So many things are coming out in April. Barry is coming back. Hax is coming back. Or April and May.

Are you watching Atlanta? I can't wait for it. Atlanta's coming back. That's like March. It's almost like everything is coming out again because i feel like we're seeing what happened when everyone got comfortable with covet again yes you know what it's like last year there was not that much this year it's like a fleet i know of shows that

are coming out let's just be real towards the end of the emmy deadline and um it's like all happening at once and like i think that we are going to be hashtag eating in April and May in terms of new shows, new content, things coming out. I'm really interested to watch this. We work. Oh yeah.

We crashed. Yeah. Yeah. We crashed with Jared Leto and Anne Hathaway. Yes. Yes. Although I guess, and we,

we love Anne. Love Anne. It's funny that one of her, I think she only said it once in her press, in the press that she's done, but she's like, I still haven't technically

met Jared Leto. Yeah. Because he was in character. I don't know how I would be able to handle something like that. I guess you'd have to. I don't foresee myself ever working with him.

So I will say, You never know, bitch. Well, you never know, but I'm also, I'm always like, I'm not going to be like, I just want to be like can we i would talk to a publicist a literal publicist to be like maybe we don't talk about jared in this

because i don't know how to talk about him in a way that is not like deeply uncomfortable to everybody to me as the person being like oh yeah jared was um jared was was peculiar and then to have people be like oh what did jared like how was Jared on this set you know maybe we cut this out I don't know well he was there I don't know it's just so funny too because like we were sitting we were sitting there at the table and I was looking around and I was like

Bowen I just literally like saw like three people that we've dragged on this podcast in a fun way in a fun way so In a fun way. So shut up. Shut up. God, what else?

Charlie X Yix. Charlie. Crash. Fucking bops on bops. She has said in interviews or she's tweeted like, I want to have my big pop girl moment. And I think this is,

this is kind of the first genuine attempt at that since Sucker, since her second album. Okay. So in terms of the chronology, this is what I find remarkable. As the sort of last album in her contract with Atlantic, I feel like it's just a beautiful retrospective. And it's also very forward thinking in terms of like pop music in general and her career like I just think she's a genius yeah I mean she's unbelievable

she's unbelievable I guess my thing is just like it's not that she's finally now making no no no no article where she was just like the pull quote was I love selling out and I'm like oh when I listen to this album it must be like super bubblegum gummy or whatever

and it really just sounds like i understand where those references are but it sounds like charlie xcx like it feels like just another great charlie xcx album yeah and my thing is like if people think like all of a sudden she's quote-unquote selling out or this is like a now now a pop record maybe they just weren't listening close enough before because she's had incredible pop music for years. I think this is a new approach. Okay, so True Romance is like her first album. She was like a zygote, super ethereal, kind of ambient pop. Sucker is like, you know, boom clap, like gold coins, like that, like, you know, that is like true bubble gum all the way through

right okay so that's like then charlie and then charlie which is like the first this is charlie pop two into charlie which was like her full like hyper pop like right working with sophie working with ag cook like work like like pc music like you know, that's, like, super experimental. Charlie was super experimental into How I'm Feeling Now, which was, like, super... Extremely experimental. Extremely, yeah.

I mean, or just, like, kind of super introspective, the most introspective thing. Yeah. And then I think she wanted to break... I think it's a really great genius play,

holistic play, to go, I'm gonna end this contract that she's kind of, you know, gone on record and saying that it's kind of you know gone on record and saying that it's been very tough for her tumultuous tumultuous they've delayed her releases they've like prolonged the sort of window of the contract by pushing her album and i think

there's someone they're leaking her shit yeah there's someone there the someone call is coming from inside the house there because it's just ridiculous what happens to her. No, it's awful. I think she's had a lot to say in a very diplomatic way, or not so diplomatic. It doesn't really matter. But I think she sees from all sides how the industry treats women. In terms of her being a songwriter for other pop stars, in terms of her crafting her own career, she's seen the darkness yeah and i think this album crash is her trying to like write some draw some huge middle finger to like the the label while still sort of like i don't know

tipping her hat to like what they've done for her her whole career so far with them and so like um you know crash like that that the first track it's like um i'm about to end it all so legendary like there's something like really i love that song something really dangerous about this and i think she's like talked about how this album is very like 80s inspired like there's a lot of janet influences yeah i heard that 90s house um it's not like i get where you're saying which is that it's not this like revolutionary record necessarily not not i didn't say i didn't say that i said it's not this new pop sound yeah yeah yeah yeah totally um i just think it's a very i i truly think we'll look back on this album 10 years from now and be like god wow crash what, Crash. What a moment. I feel like she, this is her

first album. I think her first album, I'm going to say, her first album on the label, her first album so far in her career where everyone's been able to talk about it at the same time. It's somewhat in the monoculture. It's also the first time she's doing super mainstream press.

She was on The Tonight Show. She was on SNL. She never did that shit before. Yeah, she did SNL once. I think it was for Sucker. I she's on The Tonight Show. She's on SNL. Like she never did that shit before. Yeah, she did SNL once. I think it was for Sucker. I think it was for that era. Yeah. But I think she just like really wanted to go all out before she moves on.

And I think I really fucking love it. I've been listening to Yuck and- Yeah, it's a great song. Every Rule. Every Rule. The ballad is so good. I was going to say, I love the ballad on this album. Yeah.

One of my favorite songs she's ever done is a ballad, which is I Don't Want to Know. Yes. I love I Don't Want to Know. When I saw her on tour for the Charlie album, she did I Don't Know, and the lighting design was just amazing. She's a great live performer. So amazing. And we also saw her with Taylor. Oh my God.

Wait, she opened for Taylor? Yes. Oh, for Reputation? Yes. I wasn't there. Oh, you weren't there. I wasn't there. So she was on,

she, Camila, and Taylor, and they all did Shake It Off together. Uh-huh, sweet. It was really great. When we saw 1989, it was Heim that opened for her. It was Heim. Which was also very cool.

Great. But yeah, Crash is wonderful Motomami Rosalia perfect Hayley Witters released her album too it's called

oh what's it called hold on New Music by Moona Moona oh my god I can't wait for that one that album coming out in June wait what is this Hailey album

hold on let me see Hailey Witter's it's called Raised you would love it it's Maren and Casey early Casey Musgraves by the way Maren Morris has new music out too there's a song called Background Music which I think is the best fucking thing she's ever done

what? Background Music you gotta check it out i think it's gonna be really hard for people to dethrone for her to dethrone 80s mercedes that is the that is one of the best that that's going in the songbook it's going in the songbook which is on its way you guys but no fucking you gotta listen to the song background music like it's it's like she's ascended to another level as a as a songwriter yeah like it's so it's so specifically about her husband um and basically it's a song about how they're they get to be so lucky because they get to be creating the music that people dance to what in the background oh that's really

that's a great it's like a narrative it's he she has one lyric it's like not everybody gets to something but i i don't know it's it's she's just so fucking good and she's such a good singer oh my god like it's just crazy she's so evocative sometimes i'll just like if you want to hear how to sing a pop song listen to the middle bitch oh my god the middle is how you execute pop vocals and you're talking about a fucking country singer and she does but she gives you the full range of like choices just at the end of the second verse when she goes i know we got all good intentions she kind of throws it away i'm just like girl you're absolutely it and like just her riffs at the end of the song oh my god just like why don't you just meet me in the middle

baby like the way she finds that like like line i'm like oh my god her ear yeah her ear not so not so she's got it we love marin in this house marin you're welcome to come she doesn't listen no but i here's the thing but you guys talk and we don't talk we have we have corresponded on insta a couple times talking and i always like i literally will get my phone out and i'll get my insta messages out and i literally will like half type in like hey i have a podcast with a bow and yang and we would love to have you and i always will like half type in like hey i have a podcast with a bow and yang and we would love to have you and i always delete it because i get scared but what do i have to lose i don't know her saying no like matt i don't want your nerves to get in the way of like having

marin on the pod or just anything i don't want your nerves to really deprive you deprive you of opportunities should i do it right now like i did for wendy o Should I do it right now like I did for Wendy Osepo? Yes, do it right now. So right literal now, I'm going to DM. No, I can't do this. What the fuck is happening? I just said you cannot let your fear get in the way. I'm going to DM Aaron Morris.

Do it now. Okay, how do I say this? Well, my internet is fucked up. Girl, you cannot. Okay, okay, okay, okay. With these excuses. I'm saying Marin. I, you cannot. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm saying. With these excuses. Marin. I'm saying Marin. Yeah.

Absolutely obsessed. Marin, this is the darkest shot that's ever been shot in the dark. But if you have any time. Okay, Marin, this is a shot in the damn dark but if you have any time let's say an hour and a half to spare at any point say 90 minutes to spare at any point i have a podcast with critics choice award nominee bowen yang from snl oh my god i do i not say that no yeah whatever say what you want okay um with bowen yang um i'm just gonna say it with bowen yang and called las culturistas okay oh my god i'm so

we've just surpassed 1 million downloads a month. I'm not going to say that. I have a podcast with Bowie and Colasco, Teresa, and since we're both obsessed with you. We promised we would have a very fun, but in-depth conversation with you about the album and your prior work or whatever you want to talk

about um we strike just the right balance okay no no okay i'm saying marin this is a shot in the damn dark but if you have any time let's say 90 minutes to spare at any point i have a podcast with bell and yang called las colterices and since we're both obsessed with you, we'd feel dumb if we didn't ask you to be a guest. We promise we would. We can promise. It would be so fun. And. It would be so fun.

I don't know. You know she loves Housewives. Maybe this is a way to get in. Okay. Okay. And we can talk about the album. Housewives. This is so much. We can talk about the album. Housewives. This is so much.

We can talk about the album. Housewives. I'm going to say LOL. Everything and anything. If this is not of interest or you have no time. No hard feelings. We will be front row at the show. No hard feelings. Can't wait to row at the show. No hard feelings.

Can't wait to see you live when you roll through. Oh my god. You better be hitting send, bitch. I'm saying get back to me anytime. Okay, I'm gonna send this. I'm nodding. to me anytime. Okay, I'm gonna send this. I'm nodding. Did you hit it? I hit it.

I hit it. I hit it. I sent it. Oh my God. Okay, okay. I fucking love her. In the words of Maddie from Euphoria, this is just the beginning.

I can't wait. If it happens, I would love for it to happen. I would love for it to happen. Publicists, make it happen. Make it happen. more tag marin um and by the way speaking of music guess who's on the show next week everybody oh my god betty who betty absolute who and we did say that we were gonna have more musicians on and this is the thing i think we might be delivering on that going forward in a very fun way.

Do we reveal the other person who's coming? No, let's wait. Okay, let's wait. Let's wait. Well, you know, in two weeks, it's also going to be Miss Garcelle. Oh, my God. We have Garcelle Beauvais. So next week is Betty, who in the week after that is fucking Gar-fucking-Celle.

Oh, my God. Okay, and then I would love to reveal this. Go ahead. We have Katie Crutchfield coming. Waxahachie. Waxahachie her fucking self. Just the best person. The best person, the best vibe. Believe it or not, she's a reader.

I'm obsessed. And there's going to be lots to talk about. Much to discuss. And she's on tour, so if she's swinging by your town, you gotta go. Such a good live performer. What a great musical landscape we have out there, Beau. It's really fun right now. You were on Charlie's podcast.

Yes. How was that? You know, I think I received the biggest compliment I've ever, one of the best compliments I've ever gotten was from her, was from Charlie, because it's just, the premise compliment I've ever the best one of the best compliments I've ever gotten was from her was from Charlie because it's just the premise is best song ever and she gives you a bunch of prompts ahead of time and you're supposed to like

basically make a playlist based on each of her songs which is the best song ever to like you know sing in the shower generic something generic like that ranging from that to one of my prompts was the best song that would have been on the Icebergs album you know like she's like she's asking me like

fun specific ones oh that's hilarious and so I gave her a bunch of you know I wanted to say I wanted to give like a broad range of stuff and then what she said to me and you can listen to this on air on the podcast she goes Bowen you have a really eclectic musical taste wow that's beautiful

she was like, you know, like my friends and I were taught, we're like looking over the list and like, we're really impressed. And I was like, damn, I did it. I really, I impressed Charlie XCX on a musical level. It was a really fun episode and she's so great. She's a great host. Great to talk to. And my

episode, I think on Dua's podcast is coming out soon, which is At Your Service. Yeah. And she is a phenomenal podcast host. Really knows how to guide the conversation, ask you questions at the right time. Love that. I have obsession. She's got it. I have obsession.

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Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, wait, I didn't talk about Dua's concert on this podcast. Oh my gosh, how was it? So fun. So great. She does like the Dua dance. Like the meme. The Dua dancing meme.

Oh my god, I asked for the fucking Katy Perry. Oh my god, talk about Katy! Okay, go. Tell us about Katy. No, talk about Dua first. No, I mean, Dua was phenomenal. Oh my god. I really, you really, it has convinced me even more.

And as time goes on, I think I'll believe this more and more strongly. That album will never leave us. That album will always be like so emotional for us because it was, it came out, like it came out around that time. Late March 2020. And like, it was all we had. We hung on to it for dear life. It's the same. I told Katie this, like, you know, her album, St. Cloud came out mid-March 2020 as well, or late March 2022.

And I was like, that was like the first moment of joy I felt in lockdown, which was like cracking open my window, feeling the breeze coming. Because at that point, I was not even going outside. Cracking open my window, putting on her album and being like, wow, I feel like I'm truly transported. And like, Dua's album was 100% that. But like, it will not get old for me. That album will never get old for me. Well, I was saying to Bowen, like my thought on Future Nostalgia, that it is actually a formative pop album for the 2020s. I think that Future Nostalgia will be to the 2020s, what Teenage Dream was to the 2010s, what like Love Angel Music will be to the 2020s what teenage dream was to the 2010s what like love

angel music baby was to the aughts like i think that future nostalgia if you listen to it again it's actually there's there are classics all the way through the album like i was thinking about this song hallucinate and i'm like hallucinate is a fucking bop and a half like obviously levitating which now is like a record holder for like the longest song on the hot 100 by a female artist i believe obviously don't start now um uh fucking physical which did not get its due i did not get it because as we famously believe the mainstream audience could smell the ketamine on it yes it was too gay for america and the world break my heart i think did pretty well break my heart did great break my heart is also amazing even pretty please oh like so good just like over and over and over

and over and over again this the album delivers and you know as much as i fucking stan folklore and i appreciate it i looking back in retrospect would probably say the album of that year was Future Nostalgia. Agree. Agree. And I think deserving of the Grammy. And it did win the Pop Vocal Album Grammy and it beat Folklore in that category so it didn't go home empty handed but like I just think in terms of how

it's already feeling like it's gonna hold up like Future Nostalgia is This is what I'm saying. Future Nostalgia is a fucking moment it's a moment it was a solidifier it was it was like it was like pop stars dream of delivering a sophomore album like that and i think the last time it like solidified someone in lexicon in this way was probably teenage dream sure totally the last time a sophomore album of a pop star of a promising pop stars debut album came out and was like i'm here to stay comparison yeah that's great was that that's awesome um and do uh we fucking love

you oh do uh um talk about katie perry now well another time i blacked out the katie perry show in vegas is one you want to go see it's a visual treat she's on it you guys her comedy was hitting oh my vocals were hitting she covers i'm not kidding you she covers the greatest love of all by whitney fucking houston swing it was a swing and a home run yeah i am telling you like every song delivered i've now ever since her concert i've listened to like there's like a playlist on spotify which is like katie perry vegas play residency and i just listened to it and you're back you're back there she starts with et and goes into dark horse or et chain to the rhythm dark horse and it's like interesting et hits so hard and when dark horse started i'm like

this is about to fucking slap and then it absolutely did because it's just so loud and everyone's raging and everyone's it's vegas and everyone's drinking like incredible like teenage dream like you're so in it like california girls she doesn't she does do a duet to california girls with a piece of poop in a big red toilet that's the song and it's iconic the piece of poop comes out of the toilet on the second verse and belts and riffs the word sex sex on the beach oh it's like it's the poop belting and riffing and it's just it's so aggressively stupid but so knowledgeable of how stupid it is also not for nothing but bon, but Bon Appetit, we forgot about Bon Appetit. We did not give Bon Appetit its moment.

Swish, swish, absolutely slapped. You're about to be a witness apologist. I think I'm about to be a witness apologist. I think I might even be a witness apologist. That's okay. I think those were the only two songs she did from Witness, which felt right because she just got, you forget so many fucking hit songs change the rhythm witness change to the rhythm yes yes yes yes yes that she did before so three but like just waking up in vegas she did this like different

take on it it was really fun um last friday night was incredible which is not one of my favorites but like it was amazing you don't think last friday night is one of my favorites, but it was amazing. You don't think Last Friday Night is one of your favorites? No, you know what? It's just not one I think about. It's so perfect. Wide Awake, I absolutely love Wide Awake. That's a great one while you're drunk or you're on something. I was feeling every emotion in the song Wide Awake to the point where at the end of the concert, I was in full tears holding a woman from anchorage alaska weeping crying to firework oh yeah which was the final song that's of course of course and i was

i mean i'm telling you and i said i would be but i could not have been more fucked up and i was crying holding this stranger who was also crying and she had gone through a personal tragedy which i feel weird sharing but she shared that with me and we broke down yes yes and then we went to fucking what's the gay bar in Vegas oh god

I have not been in so long we got to this iconic gay bar in Vegas and Jasmine Kennedy was performing oh my god yeah it was amazing

Jasmine um and then I cried again true or false okay my favorite type of question Teenage Dream is Max Martin's best song

I'm about to I think i'm about to take that stand stance i'm not ready to just throw since you've been gone under the bus like oh why at this time i'm not ready to realize but this is the thing about max martin is that the the the breadth is so large i'm just not ready to throw since you've been gone under the bus in that way. And also, here's the thing. I don't care if you have a show or not. When Kelly Clarkson goes to Vegas, we are going.

Oh yeah, I'm going. I will say that I think Teenage Dream is his best song of that decade. That's fair. Close second is like a blank space for a style. Oh my god god you forget that he's those songs jesus christ yeah what a fucking legend come on swedish legend stockholm birthed him the world had him but wow what a moment what um but wow what a moment a moment i will never forget well

god how long have we been going? I think long enough. Long enough? I think long enough to say it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay. This is I Don't Think So, Honey. This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture. It is.

You said it. I might take a risk. You're going to take a risk? I have something, too, and I don't think it'll be a risk but i think people will identify okay great okay um this is matt rogers i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey allergy season during the covid pandemic because mama i'm spinning out girl i have symptoms down but i also don't have covid, like, fully. Girl, put a mask on. But the way I'm, like, stuffed the hell up, having a sore throat, and I'm, like, needing to not have COVID for work. And yet, it's allergy season here in LA. The damn Santa and the winds are blowing around the pollen, I suppose.

The group chats are all a titter about how we all feel sick. Readers, do you feeling sick? Do you feel sick? I do. And I don't think so, honey, about it. I do know so, honey, the way I feel. I don't think so, honey, that allergies have to keep allerging. 15 seconds.

Even during the COVID pandemic. And now they're talking about Ms. Batu. B-A-2. Ms. Batu. Batu. Get the fuck out. I don't think so, honey. You. Five seconds. I don't think so honey you five seconds i don't think

honey these allergies i have what is what what the what and that's one minute but two girl that's a star wars name and you we better keep it that way honey it's a you're either a droid ba2 or you're a damn alien and you better not be the new variant because the way the way that we've all decided that covet is done and now we're now everyone when you google it it's like but batu though omicron batu's version is all the way out i can't with batu and they're saying like hey this one's not a big deal but everyone will get it and i'm like well fuck like i hate that stupid shit like everyone's getting a harsh cold again and it's gonna stop the world but then fauci's now saying he doesn't think it's gonna stop the world jesus christ

girl girl i'm with you i know a lot of some people in new york going i got a sore throat and i'm like okay jesus take the mucinex take the claritin not the mucinex what is it take the Mucinex, take the Claritin, not the Mucinex. What is it? Take the Flonase. Yeah, there you go, mama. Mama, thank you. I found it. Also, I don't know about you, but like during Pisces season, maybe you're a Scorpio, so you feel this way. Oh, no, we're in Aries, but yeah.

Well, it's been Pisces season, so it's been one of the most emotional months of my life. And I've also been partying so much more than usual that it's like, I don't know if my immunes are just down yeah or like what but the allergy season is really throwing me and i don't have covid like officially confirmed no fully but it's just it's it makes me anxious i know well this is always literally allergy season for me is always this is the worst suffering i've ever endured and when will it stop and then i literally it's over and then I forget about it for the rest of the year.

Have you, has it been bad recently? Weirdly, this year. Or as of late? This year it's been fine, but I'm sure once I go back to New York and now that things are warming up again,

it's going to destroy me. Oh God. Yeah, but it's fine. Listen, that will be really frustrating. It's fine. So right now on retrospect,

I want to let you vent some frustrations. Thank by allowing you the time one minute exactly to do an i don't think so honey and you do have something and it will be risky yeah not risky it's just like something that's on the brain and i think a lot of people share this all right well this is bonings i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey ET asking me about motherfucking Pete. Or anybody asking me about fucking Pete. I love the guy. But you're not going to get me to be in every fucking stupid regurgitated headline talking about how I wish him the best. Because obviously I do.

Obviously we all do. But this is something that like none of us want to talk about. We just want to make sure everyone involved is okay. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to talk about this anymore. I don't want this to overshadow literally me being nominated for an award. I don't get to like feel this way about stuff about my career. And then you have this like fully irrelevant thing kind of hijacking the conversation when i'm literally like so fucking tired off of this cross-country flight while i when i while i had to five seconds perform the night before stop it et you're better than this okay mary hartwood never but she's a trumper

now oh is she trump yeah well that's one minute um i i would say if it seems at all like it was coming from a place of genuine concern that would be one thing but it's like it's a question being asked on a red carpet and therefore it's like also all of it is being played out in a very public way I am not involved whatsoever stop asking the prince of all princes

Chris read about it so that he gets fucking like brought into the mask because I saw that he was like saying some stuff and it's like but Chris is already like fucking like promoting his own shit. And you're asking about Pete watch bust down. Don't ever, ever, ever,

ever ask us about Pete. I mean, I, I, I, when I saw that they asked you about it, I was like, I wonder like,

isn't that a thing that they tell them not to ask in advance? Like, but I guess not huh no it's like or they yeah or they just don't care and it's like god it's just sad like the whole thing is sad and sad he's being stalked and harassed and abused how the fuck do you think everyone feels about it like for kim it's like the father of her children is acting this way for connie it's like he's still like, he's going through some episodes of something, and he's still grieving,

and it's like, there's just so much going on here that, like, none of us are equipped to talk about on a fucking, in a fucking soundbite. Yeah, red carpet when they're not feeding you when you're drunk from the hotel. Yes, and by the way, this is totally me going after red carpet culture. It's like, it's so fucking stupid

the way it's set up. I'm sorry. You know what I say? Ask her more. Ask her more. I say ask her more than Pete. This is, just to clarify, like, truly, it only has to do with, like, the way that these, like, fucking things are structured. And it's very smart. It's very, like,

they know how to get you, and they know how to, like, fucking amplify the stupidest, most innocuous thing that anyone says. And they ask it, like, and they know how to like fucking amplify the stupidest most innocuous thing that anyone says and they ask it like and you know we're all thinking of and it's just like no you're all waiting to see what happens next and it's like the fact is like i think that because the the person involved who's aggravating the situation knows how he can inflame the situation like it's like sort of all playing into the hand so if you actually had genuine concern you probably would just leave it

but the media doesn't have genuine concern about the situation the media has interest in the situation which is very different and i don't know i wish they wouldn't put you guys in situations because it also seems to me like the media seems to think that the snl cast is like in somehow closer than any other cast like he's a colleague of yours he's not like your best friend like the only person who should be on the red carpet asking questions is mark malcolm yes who's not the editor-in-chief of variety he's the um senior culture and events editor but he's like he's like he's like mr variety yeah okay so i i correct myself no I I correct you oh

well now I as a result of you correcting me I will have to correct myself thank you thank you um yeah I hope everything calms down

with that situation it's just sad it's dark and I it's not good for the kids god am I like talking myself

into a fucking hole now I mean now they don't have to ask you about it. Well, now they know. It's good. But it's just like the whole situation is tough. And like, I just, I don't know.

Like, the only amount of in touch I've been with Pete is to text him like, hey, hope everything's okay. I'm here if you need to talk to me. That's tea. Yeah. And he doesn't. Right. And so I'm not involved. Yeah. Just like your sign of support. And's just like i don't know it's just because you know they would have loved for you to say like

even a little bit of the wrong thing so they could put it in that fucking article this is what i was gonna say matt and i have been on that side of things weirdly and the thing that they literally tell you to do is to be like get something news making yeah yep the word is literally news making and so i don't know it just sucks and also it would also be shitty if you were asked that question and you would be like come on you know what i mean because then but i'm this close to fucking doing it i swear to god next time it happens i'm like don't ask me that. And no one's gonna fucking care if that clip

makes the rounds or whatever. I'm like, yeah, great. That's the honest, that's the fucking tea, period. Anyway. The culture is so broken. What are we doing? We're living in a broken culture. And we're the only people

who can say it. We're the only people who can say it. Because we've seen the culture from both sides now. From one eye and still somehow. The iconic song from Coda. A film we've yet to see. You know she sings that at the end. And she signs beautifully. That's amazing. Joni?

Ms. Amelia Jones herself. Yeah. The Joni. The child. The child. Oh my god. Can we just say Judah Hill was so adorable winning the award for Belfast. That was really cute. And Alan Kim hitting him. Oh my god. That was awesome. Are you kidding me? Loved that. Oh my goodness.

Well. Two little stars. Two little stars. And we absolutely titillated. We made news. We made news. We shook it up. We shocked. We thrilled. We exposed.

We pressed the buttons. Honey and we will not stop. Bet. Boots. We finished every episode with a song. I've looked at life from both sides now from up and down

and still somehow it's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life or is it clouds? Clouds at all. You gotta listen to that. You gotta listen to Joni Mitchell.

Both sides now. The both versions. Boots. Boots. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football.

Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going answering the age-old question. What kind of dudes are these dudes? We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on

the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you

are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest

and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.