Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Fairy Drag Queen Guinea Pig" (w/ Chappell Roan)

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

You know what they say: never waste ANY day on a bad podcast. And RPKFK's? You will not have that problem today because CHAPPELL ROAN is finally on Las Cultch! The pop superstar joins Matt & Bowen... to discuss performing ballads vs. big synth pop songs, how it feels to cover a huge song like Bad Romance, and the difficulty of singing her huge hit "Good Luck, Babe!" live. Also, "Demo-itis" amongst stans, learning to give yourself grace both artistically and personally, and the literally unwinnable war against fame and the comment section. All this, a talkback on Bowen's Chappell-inspired "Moo Deng" character from Weekend Update, "service topping", "stone topping" and "sensory bottoming", the degree of difficulty when it comes to raising guinea pigs, Chappell's journey from uncomfortable drag show attendee to drag queen in her own right, cruising and pickup culture in the queer community, getting over "performative sex", and fairies as real muses. Have you ever had your phone stolen in West Hollywood? Does your coffee give you coffee breath? Are YOUR teeth fucked (laudatory)? Think on these questions and stream "The Giver" now, wherever you personally do that! And, as always, keeeeep onnnnn daaaaaancccciiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:09 founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Oh my goodness. Wow. Las culturistas. Ding dong. Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. Wow, was that the first time we were ever out of sync? Bodes well. Honestly, bodes very well. You know what I was distracted thinking about? Uh-huh. I'm surrounded by tops. We've got service tops, camera tops, publicist tops. You. No way.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Can I reveal something about Bowen Yang? This is the big thing that I wanted to reveal on this podcast. The other day in a personal text exchange, so that's how you know it's real because we never lie to each other. It's only ever transparent, real, honest, and more. Bowen goes, I think I legitimately might be bi. Which is not the same thing as being a top. Yeah, but the girls you're talking about wanting to have sex with. You are conflating. Having a dick. Okay, don'tating, like, having a dick. Okay, don't do sexual politics with me right now.
Starting point is 00:03:07 All I'm saying is Bowen has a crush on, go ahead, come out. Say it. Lucy Dacus. But I've always had this. You love, like, a powerful singer-songwriter. Lucy and I exchanged a powerful glance at Forest Hills, this was like three years ago. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:03:22 She was opening, she and Waxahatchee were opening for Conor Oberst. Oh my god. She was opening, she and Waxahatchee were opening for Connor Oberst. Mm-hmm. And she had just got, she had just done her set. This is right when a home video came out, her album. And then I just like glanced over at her and then she glanced over at me and we kind of smiled at each other. And then that was it. And ever since then, and then obviously since then we've like talked and hung out, but like, there's something powerful about her. Since then we've talked and hung out. It's like, did you watch about her. But she's instead we've talked and hung out.
Starting point is 00:03:45 It's like, did you watch, nobody wants this, that thing on Netflix? When they kiss and that song's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But it's like that synthy, romantic pop song that played when you looked at Lucy Deacus across the room. And don't think we ever forgot about your thing with Katie Gavin.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Oh yeah. That's a good love triangle. This is my trend alert. Here we go. It's always with a gay woman. Well. And maybe there's a safety in that. It's like, well, there's no stakes in this.
Starting point is 00:04:14 So I can safely from afar pine. So I can't wait to see how this episode turns out. Anyway. Because this actually is a huge moment in history because I can't believe this is true, but I think I actually have two things on record on this podcast. One was there's an episode where I literally go to you,
Starting point is 00:04:34 have you listened to Driver's License by Olivia Rodrigo? And you go, what is that? This is when it first came out, and that's on record. And I believe me bringing up Chappell to you is on record on this podcast. That is also on record on this podcast as well. It's on record. And I believe me bringing up Chappell to you is on record on this podcast. That is also on record on this podcast as well. It's on record for a lot of people who listen to you and they were like, I'm gonna check this girl out.
Starting point is 00:04:52 It was late 2022 when I first sort of heard about. It's on her live. No, but then it was... At the Fonda. No, it was April 2023, I think you were at the Fonda. And I remember it was a special evening because you could feel the energy. And I remember she sang Pink Pony Club
Starting point is 00:05:09 and then she was saying the Pink Pony Club is here. And I was like, oh wow, it really feels like it is here. Like the LA show, it's about LA, et cetera. That was a really special night. And I left that being like, she's the one. She's one of the ones and now she's here. She's a Pisces legend. She's a Grammy winner.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Everyone welcome. Chappaloo! Hey. Hey. Thank you. You won album of the year at our culture awards before your album was even out. And I've always wanted to ask you how you felt about that.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Was it pressure? I was laughing really, really hard. I was like, that is, that makes sense. It's like, that is so funny. I'm dumb. It was... It's so silly. It was earned.
Starting point is 00:05:48 I remember the song that changed everything for me. I was like, wait, what the fuck was Casual? Do a lot of people say that? I didn't expect that. I like literally... Casual was the biggest bitch to get done. Really? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:06:02 It was like a lot of tense moments because I was like, I think it should be huge. I think it should be a really big pop song. And my core, core writer was like, I don't think it, I think it's supposed to be sad. And so I was like wrong. And that's happened so many times about my songs. So like, it was, it's like, even the subway, you know, like I'm just, I was like, nobody's gonna give a fuck about this. Like, I don't… And now people are clamoring.
Starting point is 00:06:28 I know, they're clamoring. So like, casual to me, I was like, I'm just gonna put it out and just not even care because I am like, synth pop girl. This is not super synth pop heavy. But people liked it and now I love it. I always like things more when I like it. You don't think it's both like a moody song that also builds to this grandiosity? Because that's what we love about it.
Starting point is 00:06:52 I think I get nervous writing songs that aren't like beat heavy and like dance forward. Instead of it's kind of like a wallowing and misery type of vibe. So I hear that. I mean, when I left your show, when I first saw you, I was like, I feel like the only way to get it across is like, it feels like, and this is lame to do this, but it feels like Kesha meets like Annie Lennox. You have this like fun. You came out in this like shit blonde wig. And then you came back out with your hair and you were like, it's me, Chappell, Chappell Rhone. And we were all like laughing because there's like an awareness and there is like, this is before you were calling what you do drag,
Starting point is 00:07:33 but there was such a huge drag element. You had a drag performer open up. But yet you have this like haunting, gorgeous, like ethereal voice that I was like, I don't think we have this out there So that's what I meant by like the Kesha meets Annie. That's so sweet. I mean those are icon girls Yeah, but that's on casual on a song like that It's funny to hear you say you're like more comfortable doing the beat heavy stuff because what really like took me and maybe this is just The place I was in but was coffee wasidoscope, was like those moments that are so
Starting point is 00:08:06 like important and deep in your show. Thank you. It is like so different live. You can really really feel the the ballads. Because I'm actually better at performing ballads like than I am pop songs. Just because like I have a ballad voice way more suited for him than I am. But so that's why I feel like the ballads go so heavy live because I sound better. It's like it's it is just like it's almost like a different singer. You know what I mean? Because I guess it's like when you're needing to do the pop thing do you find yourself being like
Starting point is 00:08:43 okay now I'm a different pop girl? Yeah. Yeah. You have to like, I can't sing Kaleidoscope and then go, you know what they say, never waste a Friday night on a friend. You know, it's really, it is a different, you have to like lock into different characters, I feel like, for each song, especially like, my kink is karma. It's like, I'm less worried about hitting the notes rather than just like screaming as hard as I can, you know? That was an important song for me at the time.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I was like, oh wow, this is... It's an important song for me every day, I feel like. I'm like, I actually still feel pissed. Like, I don't know if I'll ever get over it. I don't know if I'll ever not be mad. Is it kind of the song's fault though, that you're locked into this like sentiment? Yeah, and that's what's so hard about writing about exes is because you're locked. And especially if you hate them.
Starting point is 00:09:35 And like, I don't, luckily like, I don't hate a lot of my exes. I have so many songs about my exes, about different people, about people I never dated but still in love with. And I don't hate them, but it's really hard to sing songs about people that you hate because you still hate them. Everybody gets two in life. How many do you have? How many exes?
Starting point is 00:09:53 That you hate, that you fucking hate. How many people I fucking hate? Exes that you fucking hate. I think everyone gets, is it more than two? Just greater than or less than two. I feel like high school people just don't count. You know what? Your feelings were real, but it doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:10:09 My feelings were real, but it doesn't count. So one. Okay. That's healthy. That's normal. Only one. But I've dated a lot of dumb people, but that's not their fault. It's not their fault.
Starting point is 00:10:22 You almost feel bad. It's almost like punching down and then all of a sudden they get the distinction of like having a song. And that's also hard. It's like, well, fuck. You elicited such a response from me that I felt moved to write this thing. It's like it just, I get angry every time I sing it. But that's good.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It's real. It's like, it's very real. And that's why it feels real about the ballads is because I am feeling that whenever I sing Coffee. There's been so many times that I've performed Coffee and I'm just like in the middle of the song. I was like, yeah, I'm done. Next song. Like because I'm like... Totally. Have you actually ended it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've just been like, I can't. I don't want to do this.
Starting point is 00:10:59 That's so like form breaking and cool. It's just like, it's just not worth the rest of the show, you know? Because like, then you, because you always do ballads like in the middle. For me, I do. Right. So then it's like a loop, loop, loop, end on like a high note. Yeah. And sometimes I'm just like dreading it so much when like the ballad part, the people
Starting point is 00:11:23 like the picture you vibe because like I have my wig on the mic stand Yes, I drag my wig around and I make it like campy But I hate a picture you too because I was like this is boring. I'm bored like I want to move around on stage Yeah lights. I want like the pageantry. Yeah, it's either like I do a Fully ballad set or I do all pop because and that's why I like festivals because there's not enough time to do. Right. What about when you're doing a cover if you're doing Bad Romance? Yes. What is what is are you just channeling Gaga? Are you feeling are you
Starting point is 00:11:56 like finding a way in for yourself? Bad Romance? Lo-Ki-E always felt like a fraud singing. Really? Yes because I was like oh god, I can't live up to what I think I should be in my fucking head for this song. And that's like the hardest part of covering songs that are so iconic. It's like people associate Bad Romance with like pure. It was the biggest fucking pop song ever. Like and I think I just I do covers because I want to feel like what's in my body like what what will it feel like in my body to sing Bad Romance in front of
Starting point is 00:12:38 a crowd and like that is the closest I'll ever know to what Gaga maybe feels like like I'm like okay this is how it feels to like rage on stage to Bad Romance. Or like, this is what it feels like to sing Barracuda in front of like 50,000 people. And so I can like leech off of the other artists' experiences in that way, you know? But Bad Romance is different because I was just like... She... Everything. I can't match it. That's what I realized.
Starting point is 00:13:11 It's like, I can't match it. But does the feeling of I kind of can channel what it feels like to be Gaga singing this song, does that compete with the fraudulent feeling? Or is that the same thing? It's like... Even Gaga's putting on a persona when she sings that song. I just think that I can't cover every song I want to.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I think it's like reserved. Yeah. Like, you know? And that's the coolest thing about pop. It's like, you can't fucking... Ballads are more attainable, but pop... Yeah. Some ballads. You know what's funny is it's like with Good Luck, babe, it's so hard to sing.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And like you do see a lot of people taking cracks at it, but you have one of those songs now where it's like, that's a Chappell Rhone song. Do you feel like that? Bitch, I can't even sing it. It's hard. I can't sing it. I cannot sing it in the original key.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Like, in a set of songs. If I was just doing it only Maybe yeah, but like I don't even when people sing my songs I'm just like I feel bad because like that I know how like Good luck, I don't even care if you fucking mess up because like thank you for trying yeah, I can't even nail it like and also like I can't sing in pitch like, like I am maybe 70% of the time, but the songs are just that fucking hard. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:36 And like it is cool that sometimes, you know, I mean, it feels good. Yeah, it feels good to be like, only if, only if, only if. Yeah, that's my song. And I, so is it like when you're, when you're recording, is it, I guess, how do I ask this question? From a place of technique? Yeah, are you, do you have the song out
Starting point is 00:14:58 and you're like writing it straight through with like Dan or Justin, whoever you're writing with, and then you can like play it on the piano altogether or are you going back and like revisiting different sections of the song because that one really feels like it's so many different things. That was well it was originally called Good Luck Jane. Right. And like it we rewrote it. It was such a it was so annoying.
Starting point is 00:15:22 The best songs take the longest. The longest except Pink Pony Club. That took one day. Two days. And like, good luck babe. We recorded the entire song four times because I could not just like find a key that made sense. And so I feel like for Naked in Manhattan, it took two years to write the post-chorus, which is like, touch me, touch me, touch me, touch me. So we like come out usually with the chorus or like the song title and then we'll like create melodies around that and then we'll refine from there of like the lyrics.
Starting point is 00:16:00 And it's always the first edit. We hardly ever, ever, the only song that I used the first draft off was Kaleidoscope. Oh wow. That's so beautiful though. Thank you. But like everything else is edit after edit after... And like, you know, sometimes it feels like shit. It has to. Famine and Ammonon felt like shit to write. Really?
Starting point is 00:16:21 Yes. And that's crazy too because it's such a fun song, but it's like you're like banging your head against the wall being like fuck. Because it was like this is that puzzle was hard. It doesn't make sense. Like I was banging my head against I've been banging my head against the wall with the subway because I'm it just songs can work live certain things can live, and they do not work in the studio. Or like, for like, My Kink Is Karma, like every performance I scream really loud
Starting point is 00:16:50 at the end of the song, I don't do that in the recorded version. It doesn't fucking work. Same with The Giver. It did not work. Like, first of all, I said the wrong thing on SNL. I was supposed to say something else. Like, I got nervous and said some like,
Starting point is 00:17:04 fucked up the wording. It kind of, like, makes sense. 80%. But... What was the wording? Like, you know, like, the country boys can't treat a woman right, only a woman knows? Yeah, only, uh, it was like only... A woman knows how to treat a woman right or something. Yeah, it was just, it just didn't, it was like almost made sense. But also, I was like, SNL, I, it was so, SNL, it was so insane. Like it was so scary.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Your whole career, your whole career, everyone says nothing is harder than SNL. Nothing is harder than SNL. It's the sound mixing, it's all that. But also like that it is so live and there is no, like your band is live. That's like the scariest part. It's like the movie magic like girl
Starting point is 00:17:46 It's rare that you see anyone fucking playing like anything for real on tv Like it is not most of the time for real. Yeah, um, because it just doesn't work like that Works live but not like on tv televised. It just the sound doesn't work that way Right. So like I was, I was so fucking stressed. So I'm like, the fact that I even performed the giver and like made it through is amazing. But I know that like, it is so awesome to see like, everyone be like, where the fuck is the bridge? And I'm like, do you not think I tried?
Starting point is 00:18:23 Do you not think I tried over and over and tried different sayings and tried different… The bridge was the hardest thing to figure out. And like, now I have like an even better idea for it live. Like that's the other thing is like the live shows matter just as much as the songs themselves to me. Yeah. Because that is actually like... That's alive. You get to mold it and grow with it.
Starting point is 00:18:48 And it gets to change. And it like... It just becomes a character in itself. Just like the live performance. Like everyone can kind of like wait for that character of the song to come out. Because what you're talking about in terms of recording and in terms of like cracking the subway, let's say, is not to use this phrase again, but you have to,
Starting point is 00:19:08 that's locked in. You are locked into this thing. And that's like the thing that people are gonna revisit the most readily and excessively. For what it's worth, I feel like both Pink Pony Club and The Giver on SNL were fucking major. I was listening to the SoundCloud the next day for like weeks.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Yeah. Like that's and I'm like and then the track release I'm like fuck this is so hard for me sometimes when like an artist puts out a live thing before the release and then the track comes out and I'm like I like the live version better. Do you know why? Why? I don't. It's called demoitis. Demoitis? Demoitis?
Starting point is 00:19:42 Demoitis. Okay. Demo? You fall in love with demo. The demos. Demo-itis? Demo-itis. Demo-itis. Okay. Demo-itis. You fall in love with demo. The demos. So like, what happens?
Starting point is 00:19:49 School us. Doctor travel. And this is like, this is to my detriment too. This is to every person's detriment. Of like, I get a demo, I hear it, I play it for my friend, and then I go back in and like work on it, play it to them again and they're like, I just like the other one better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:09 And because you have Demoitis, because you've like attached so much to this, like to you attach memories, like you attach all of these things to this one version of the song, it's actually not as good as the actually recorded version. Straight up. Because the song wasn't done, there was pitchiness all over the map. Sometimes that's measured, but it's not what I want in my life. Tracks. Sorry, mic recorded tracks. But you fall in love with what you hear first. Yeah, of course. Because you hear a different version and you're just gonna hate it because it's different. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I just go into new things. I'm like expecting to hate it. It's like, okay, Kaylee, like you are going to hate this. Get past it and like look at it for what it really is. And that is how I get past to releasing, how I even release music. Because it's like, I'm gonna hate it, just live with it, like feel it and take a step away. Because like all the people who have been living with the giver on SoundCloud or whatever,
Starting point is 00:21:21 of course they're gonna hate it. That is like, they're attached and like just because it's different,'re gonna hate it. That is like... They're attached. They're attached and like just because it's different, you'll hate it. Cause that's like human nature, you know? So I was not surprised at all when people were like, this doesn't sound, this is losing the magic. And it's like... I think it has the magic.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I think that's really all that matters. And also like people will just get over it. Yeah, they will. Because it's like, it just sounds better. And for the subway, you know, it's just gonna feel different. And different doesn't always mean bad. You just have to, like, really take yourself out of it and be like, this is different and it's okay.
Starting point is 00:22:01 And now you have two versions. And now you have two versions. Because the SoundCloud version remains. Yeah. And if that's the one you love, and there'll be a third version when you have two versions. And now you have two versions. Because the SoundCloud version remains. Yeah. And if that's the one you love and there'll be a third version when you come out and you know, do it live.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Yeah, and perform it at all these festivals coming up. Yeah. So it's like, it's demo-itis, just remind yourself. It's like, like I, I, there's so many TikTok songs that I've like, oh my God, this is so fun. And I didn't realize it was either a cover sped up or like something. And then I hear the original version. I'm like, oh, I like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And I'm like, oh, I like the TikTok one. And then I like go back and I'm like, actually, the artist put that out on purpose because it actually fits the art better. Of course. So I understand people were like, where is the bridge? Yeah, of course. It was probably a man who decided that. And it's like, no, baby. I did decide that. And also, do not forget, this is a lesbian country song.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Like, this is like a big deal. Like, this is, for me, what I've always wanted to do. So it may not be what you want. Of course. Right, right, right right right. There's this like interesting entitlement. I'm not gonna say this but it's like you're not customer service. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:11 You are not there to like take in all of these complaints and like synthesize them into like it can't affect your work. I had to stop reading. You gotta stop reading. It's probably just better. No I deleted Instagram and TikTok off my phone on Sunday because I was like, I actually like, if I want to protect my creative psyche, like, because I'm writing right now, nothing, I have to build a force field around it.
Starting point is 00:23:38 And the things, if I want to for sure have a bad day, like 100% guarantee, I read the comments. Like, and I just have to remind myself. You know the stove is hot, let's go touch it. Yeah. It's like, okay, if you want to open these, you're not going to feel good. So now it's just like... It's never going to be worth it. It's never worth it.
Starting point is 00:23:57 And it just hurts my feelings. I thought I would grow out of it hurting my feelings. Build a thicker skin or something. Yeah, I thought I would become out of it hurting my feelings build a thicker skin or something. Yeah, I thought I would become callous to it and Sometimes they hate that I'm not callous and then other times I'm like actually Thank God I have feelings about people hurting my feelings. Absolutely that is like sad if I don't know Maybe I'll get there one day. Maybe I can find a healthy medium But I don't know people like saying it's not about like my art anymore all of a sudden.
Starting point is 00:24:29 It's about me and how I look or how I talk or my humor. It's like that is the insufferable part all of a sudden and not like the art. And so that's what hurts my feelings. It's like when my art even you know like with The Giver, you are 100% allowed to judge it, hate it, love it, rip it apart, critique it. Like that is the point. Fair game. That is fair game. It's art. I think like everything else I'm like that's outside of my art and performance. Same with performance. Critique it. Like that is visual art. Visually like critique my fashion. That's fine with performance. Critique it. That is visual art. Visually,
Starting point is 00:25:06 critique my fashion. That's fine. It's just when it comes to my personality and my mistakes that I make in public, it's like, it is ruthless. They're not mistakes. They're not mistakes. But the thing is, even if they are or aren't mistakes, human beings are allowed to make them. And I think that one thing that people, whether they can't reckon with it or they don't want to because people feel complicit in it, is it was unprecedented how quickly it changed for you
Starting point is 00:25:37 from here to here in terms of the amount of eyes on you and the amount of mouths flapping in regards to what you did. So it's like, even in a world where it's like, we've seen people go from like, whatever it is, like zero to 60 or overnight success, whatever that means. Not like this. Because I remember we were at Coachella and we were like, we were so excited at Coachella because we were like, oh, and I was with a couple of gays who didn't know who you were yet. And that was, you know, April 2024. Meanwhile, at the end of that weekend,
Starting point is 00:26:08 not only did everyone know who you were, but everyone had an opinion on you, etc. And then GovBo was a whole other fucking thing that was 15, 20 different like think pieces. And it's like that you're never gonna get, you are never gonna get what you want out of that one individual human being. It's impossible. And I don't think what you want out of that one individual human being. It's impossible.
Starting point is 00:26:25 And I don't think there's enough awareness of that or like, you know, people don't take accountability for their own actions in that regard. Do you feel that? Do you guys feel that? I mean, we're not feeling it on your level. No, but every level... Of course, it's a level. Every level is a level. It's a level. The rule of culture number 76. Every level is a level. But of course, and It's real culture number 76. Every level is a level.
Starting point is 00:26:46 But of course, and it's also, it's like when you have something, when you have like something that you've put out there that people have really connected with and people have a relationship with you in that regard, it gets harder, which is why I'm happy you just deleted the shit because you're in creative mode right now and you need to be. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows
Starting point is 00:27:13 with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell-bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious. Somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans? It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the god-damnedest love story you've ever heard. I picked up the phone and my thought was, this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life. I couldn't believe it.
Starting point is 00:27:47 I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, y'all? I'm AJ Andrews, pro softball player, sports analyst, and the first woman to win a Rawlings Gold Glove. On my new podcast, Dropping Diamonds, we dive headfirst into the world of softball by sharing power for stories, insights, and conversations that inspire and empower.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Softball is growing fast, and I'm going to help you keep up with the speed of the game and the athletes that play it. So well, you may even be able to throw out the fastest slapper. If you are an old or new fan looking to learn more about your favorite players or coaches and hear about their journeys and processes to success, this podcast is an exciting and invaluable resource for anyone interested in the complexities of excellence on the softball diamond. Softball is a game of failure and pressure situations, but lucky for all the fabulous softball players and fans,
Starting point is 00:28:47 pressure makes diamonds. And it's time to drop some bombs and diamonds on and off the softball diamond. Dropping Diamonds with AJ Andrews is an athletes' unlimited softball league production and partnership with I Heart Women's Sports and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to Dropping Diamonds with AJ Andrews
Starting point is 00:29:03 on the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, the CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming and how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.
Starting point is 00:29:44 It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to the new season of Good Company starting April 23rd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you
Starting point is 00:30:19 get your podcasts. A lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless, S***less Me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast. -♪ treating yourself creatively? Creatively? The artist's way, I don't know if you've ever heard of that. That book taught me how to protect my creativity and like how to be really treat myself really well and be really gentle with myself. I'm really good at respecting my artistry. What I am not good at is respecting like my feelings outside of artistry.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Like it's so interesting. I'm like very good at being gentle with like my critiques on myself and like letting things you know it's not gonna be great the first time you may have to like water it and watch it grow. But when it comes to like me making a mistake in life it's like that's when I'm not good at like giving myself some grace or just like whatever. So my creativity is very um... sacred. She's sacred and healthy. Yeah. Like I just spent the whole last week doing writing and I wrote some songs I really love. And like that's that is magic. The fact that I could do
Starting point is 00:32:01 that amidst like the past year and the fact that I can't like Do a lot of things like I used to normally and like feel normal. That's great. That's awesome. It worked like yeah, it's just when it comes to like my self-confidence or comments or like, you know, just saying something I didn't mean or whatever how that's how like when I'm really hard on myself Right. Well, yeah. Well, you know what that book does? Early on, it tells you to like, picture and think back on the people early on in your life
Starting point is 00:32:31 who like, tried to like, cut you off creatively. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, I still go about this process with like one specific person. This is the theater teacher? This is the theater teacher, whatever. This is like, kind of Goldman and history. You have to like, treat them the same way
Starting point is 00:32:44 that you, Tappell, treat your exes. You have to, like, fucking go for the jugular in your brain with these people. And I think my thing is we have to keep doing it now, now that, like, there are these little side quests popping up where, like, oh, there's this person who, like, is being a little booger, or this person's being a fucking asshole.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Like, it's a continuous thing where you have to tell these people who make you feel like you're making a mistake, which you're not. You can't even think of them as mistakes because these are just people who are trying to end you creatively and you have to protect that. Yeah. And art is like, for me, I'm such...
Starting point is 00:33:23 I do have a thick skin around my art. It's really hard to see something you see online and be like, oh, maybe that's supposed to be funny. But everyone's like, that's serious. And that's actually fucked up. And it's like, maybe it's just not one about you, or two, serious. Can we talk about also when people were dragging you for doing your moodang thing?
Starting point is 00:33:48 I was like, I bet she thinks it's funny. I did. I didn't feel anything. Sasha and I, Sasha Colby and I were talking and I was just like, I mean, yeah, everyone's mad. I was like, I was like, is she okay? And Sasha was like, yeah, girl, she's laughing. She's loving it.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I was like, okay, well then that's fine. I'm like the way people don't have to get mad on my behalf. Right. We're fine. Yeah, yes. So what is there to be mad about? Also, this is what happens like that is SNL. It's comedy. Yeah. Like it is so lighthearted. It was like to me harmless. Oh my god. And for people to, It was like, to me, harmless. Oh my god. And for people to, even if you were to push it further, harmless. It's like, it's comedy.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I don't understand, like, I just don't know the line anymore. I think people just get worked up over someone that they are very, it's like a love bombing thing, or it's like limerence. It's like they're obsessed with you, and so they will die if anything goes wrong. It's parasocial. I mean, what it is is it's like, I need to protect this person. They've expressed that they need help,
Starting point is 00:34:53 or I feel like I'm projecting what I might need in that situation. But it's hard, like you're saying, when you look online, is it supposed to be a joke? Is this thing supposed to be funny in a time when we are- Nothing's funny. When nothing's funny.
Starting point is 00:35:06 When very few things. Life is not funny right now. Exactly. And meanwhile, that was a really complicated, weird time because it was like, I remember getting texts from people being like, are Bowen and Chappell okay? I was like, first of all,
Starting point is 00:35:18 they don't really know each other that well. Second of all, I'm sure they are. Third of all, why are we assuming that people don't have senses of humor? It's like, it's Chappell-rone, y'all. It's like, I'm sure they are. Third of all, why are we assuming that people don't have senses of humor? It's like it's Chappellrone y'all. It's like I was watching your show and that's why I was describing you as like there was like this fun pop cash element. You come out in this shit blonde wig and you're like, it's me Chappell. Like as if we weren't supposed to know. I'm like this girl is funny. We're all having fun. It's pop stardom. It's you know.
Starting point is 00:35:42 Even if like It comes from a good place. Even if you didn't like think the mooding sketch was funny or anything, you don't have to say anything. Yeah right. There's always silence. Like you don't, you can always not say something. Yeah right. And you know what? People sticking up for me in that situation or not sticking up for me made me feel no different. I didn't feel protected and I didn't feel unprotected. So because I didn't need it either way.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Because I was not offended. Totally. I want us to have a serious conversation about this. What do you love about service topping? Okay, I didn't know what service topping was. But do you identify as one? Because this is a new thing for me. I read an article.
Starting point is 00:36:23 You read an article? And to me, is it like, stone top? It's, this is, I had an encounter in the last year, not recently, but someone who was like, what do you want me to do to make you feel good? I'm a service top. Oh. Said these words to me. Like, I get off on watching someone take pleasure in what I'm a service top. Said these words to me. Like, I get off on watching someone
Starting point is 00:36:47 take pleasure in what I'm doing. A true giver. I'm sorry. Isn't that just sex? I'm so sorry. Yeah, that is... Thank you for saying that. I'm so sorry. Service top? Sorry, go ahead. They are, in their mind, they are servicing you.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Which sometimes, I mean, I'm sure we've been in situations... In a kinky way? And I wouldn't even, I don't even know if they would identify it as kinky, but sometimes it's like, I want to have sex because I want to feel good. They want to have sex because they want to see you feel good. Does that make sense? But that in turn makes them feel good. And so it's, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:37:21 But I agree with you. Sometimes I think we go crazy with the labels of everything. I don't understand. Okay. I mean, that's why I ask if it's kinky. Because it's like, this may not make me, like, I may not understand this pleasure thing for you, but I'm going to do it anyway. Because it's like, you like to be dominated or something.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Or like, whatever. But to me, like, I just thought that's how sex works. Yeah. So what does being a giver mean to you then? That just means I wanna do things that make you feel good. Yeah. Like I will do things, I will just give my time. Yeah, and if I take that, if I'm a taker,
Starting point is 00:38:04 aren't I giving you something in return by taking it That's that I think that's where all three of us are kind of getting a little mixed up. Maybe I'm lost too. I don't I'm a pillow princess. I know exactly where I am. Okay, good. I'm just kidding I'm an I'm sometimes in a pillow princess. I'm sometimes a pillow princess. I'm tired. I think maybe I just like, so take it like a taker. I wasn't really like actually thinking about anything. That's amazing. I was just like, oh, that's fun.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Because a giver and a taker. Take it like a taker. Like that's literally where my mind went. But when I saw the article about like service tops and whatever, I was just like, cool. Did not know that existed. Wasn't the intention. Like, I just liked it. I do love that about pop culture is that they will make something out of nothing. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:38:58 Like, they made this. People will make like this entire outline of like what each thing means. Yeah, like what each character I played means in the lesbian community. And I literally was like, don't know what you're talking about. I just wanted to wear a blazer. I wanted a whole plunger. You were talking on Apple about really what it was, was you wanted a George Strait type of song, right?
Starting point is 00:39:20 You wanted to feel on stage that kind of swaggy country like character. Which I think is different than like... I get off on making you oh face. I thought that was like the point of sex. Like for me, I give you pleasure and that gives me pleasure. This is the healthiest discourse on sex anyone's ever had. But it, you know... Thank God Dr. Ruth is dead.
Starting point is 00:39:50 She's rolling in her grave. One time I asked Dr. Ruth what she thought of PrEP. And she didn't, she couldn't, it did not compute. She was like, what? I was like, it was at the Sundance Film Festival. I was like, it's so gay guys can have unprotected sex. She goes, well, I hate that. No. And then I was like, it's so gay guys can have unprotected sex. She goes, well, I hate that. No.
Starting point is 00:40:06 And then I was like, oh, oh, okay. And then I put it was fully Dr. Oothe and I'm thinking she knows like what PrEP is and she did not. And then I was like, okay, maybe we've missed each other in terms of like the sexual revolution. The reason I say this is actually a huge reset for people, the way people talk about sex
Starting point is 00:40:24 in this day and age, is that it has been so divorced from pleasure. Yeah. I think for a lot of people. That's interesting. I mean, that is why, that is my experience when I hooked up with men. Yeah. Really?
Starting point is 00:40:35 That's how I knew I was gay. Uh-huh. Because it was like never, it never felt like it was about you or for you. No, I just felt so performative. Yeah. And like so, like I just did what I thought they wanted, even if it didn't feel good. And maybe that's what, to me, when I'm like,
Starting point is 00:40:53 okay, service top is that. It's like another role. You wanna do service, even if you don't want to. Right. I don't know. Like, I just wanna do what my partner makes them feel good. And when I make them feel good, that makes me feel good. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:09 So I think I would not really know what to do if someone I was hooking up with was only a stonetop. Uh-huh. I don't think I would really know what to do because I would want to do something for them. Uh-huh. Yeah. Are we saying that the term service top is a little bit... It feels like it's a given thing. It's like saying, well, I'm a sensory bottom.
Starting point is 00:41:34 It's like, of course you are. You know what I mean? Yeah, you have something in your ass. You're going to feel that. I'm best when I bottom and I can feel it. Well, yeah. What are you talking about? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:41:42 That's crazy. It's no fun. I'm the best when I bottom and I can feel it. Well, yeah. What are you talking about? You know what I mean? That's crazy. No, but you know what though? It takes time to like, I think a lot of people say this stuff because it's more a thing of, it's less them expressing what they actually like
Starting point is 00:41:59 and more people being like, no, I do have sexual agency. I do have a sexual identity. When the fact is, it takes a lot of time. Like, I don't even think, it wasn't until my late 20s that I was even having real sex that like consciously took me out of what I had seen in like porn or whatever, which I do think,
Starting point is 00:42:18 and I have so much respect for everyone like in the sex work community, et cetera. But I do think when you're ingesting a lot of it young, you of course want to emulate the things that you see, and that is inherently not gonna be natural to you every time. So it's like, in that way it becomes a teacher in a way that can be a little rocky.
Starting point is 00:42:37 It wasn't, and I was just thinking, sitting here like, I had a great sexual experience last week, and I was like, thank know, I had a great sexual experience like last week and I was like, congratulations. Thank you so much. And shout out verse also flipped you. Yes. Amazing. I've really started like owning myself as like the bottom that I am. But then all of a sudden love. So, but that's what I guess what I mean is it's like, I need to stop telling myself I'm one thing. I think we all need to stop telling ourselves we're one thing and be open to those different experiences and expressions because I think a lot of it is just us wanting to belong in
Starting point is 00:43:13 something. Yeah. That is so real. It's so nice when there's a label that fits you perfectly. Because that makes you be like, oh, like when I, what is the one that is where you only are sexually attracted to people that you're friends with? It's like, it's like you have to have like a really strong relationship to like feel like you want to hook up with them.
Starting point is 00:43:37 And it's not even just intimate, it's also friendship. Is it demisexual? What is it? I don't know. I'm not sure. It's Ross and Rachel. But when I heard about that, I was like, oh, that makes sense to me. Like, I can't, I don't want to just hook up with people I just met. Like, that is why I'm so uncomfortable when I'm hit on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Like, because I'm like, I don't know you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And that is why I get myself in trouble and I'll date my friends and then I like you know I mean that is always what happens. Uh-huh. And so like that's why I'm so it's such a turnoff when right Well, like are so bold at the beginning. Yeah, because I'm like, I don't know you gotta watch those anyway Yeah, if people are really bold at the beginning my experience is okay. You're this is for you Yeah, you know what? I mean, like we've experienced some love bombing and it's like sure we all have and it's like Like, if people are really bold at the beginning, my experience is, okay, this is for you.
Starting point is 00:44:25 You know what I mean? Like, we've experienced some love bombing, and it's like, I'm sure we all have, and it's like, there's no way you're like this. I've even asked a question. I've sat back, cocked the brow, and been like, how? How can you be this? And then they have another line. The one I got was,
Starting point is 00:44:48 we deserve to have good things, we're good people. And I was just like- Where'd you read that? Motherfucker, where'd you read that? Next, think of something smarter. Snapple cap. But people like- Period.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Snapple cap. Snapple cap. I'm never surprised anymore when people have rehearsed the whole thing. Like you find out later they had a bit that they were going to do when you sat down at whatever it is they were meeting. Like they researched things to say to you up top with your friends, especially someone like you.
Starting point is 00:45:19 I would imagine. Like people that research things about you. Yeah. No. Well, yes. But also it's like I'm going to say I'm going to say this joke about a celebrity because I know he likes celebrities or whatever. That's like that, that, no, I was thinking of like people that can't, you can't just Google like a Wikipedia. Right, right, right, right, right. Like whatever, I guess like for me that's like gone and probably like for you like people, it's gone. It's harder. It's gone. Like people can like kind of guess what you might like
Starting point is 00:45:46 and like manipulate a sentence that maybe would work best for you because they know you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like a regular bar, I'm always, you know, before I guess. Before last year. Before last year. If I like had a pickup line, I'd be like,
Starting point is 00:46:01 that's, I can only laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hilarious. Cause I'm just like, but I can only laugh. Yeah. Yeah, it's hilarious Because I'm just like but they had to try you know what that's the thing is it's like they're trying and everyone's trying It's like some people think and if I go in with an arsenal of things to say and I really like You know dress for Hearst what this is gonna be I'll feel better about it But you know sometimes it's just like it it is worth being like, okay, when are we gonna get to the real you? Because, because it could take a long time.
Starting point is 00:46:30 I feel like, you know. Do you feel like if people know who you are, it's like a turn off, turn on or just be honest? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It just depends.
Starting point is 00:46:44 It does depend. But I am very weary if someone knows who... If someone is a fan and I, like, have hit on them or something and, like, started, like, a relationship with them and I did not know they were a fan, that is scary to me. Yeah. Because I feel embarrassed and also I'm like, I don't trust you. And, like, are you screenshotting everything we're saying?
Starting point is 00:47:07 Are you I just get really I've become so paranoid about that stuff Like I'm like girl I'll just talk like this all the time because those freaking lip readers Oh, I know the lip readers we were talking about that recently. It's like which god bless the lip readers We need those girls. We do it is fun when you when you want to know and you're on the other side of it But like they ain't right all the time. No, they're not I'll tell you that at the Grammys. You're like, it's fucking open Concept it's crazy. All these people are looking down at you It's almost like I know I'm for that one thing that they really did This is the recording out of me had posted like watch chapel watch
Starting point is 00:47:44 Benson Boone or like watch Sabrina Carpenter watch and it's just like why are we watching these artists watch the thing and and then all of a sudden you're like your finger starts going like should I click and you're like I mean no it's weird but why is that available because they want so bad to catch you that's the only reason's the only reason. They just want to fucking catch you. So then why wouldn't you be paranoid if like that's on your mind all the time? That's what I'm thinking about always. I'm just like, I have to think about all the time. I won't win.
Starting point is 00:48:15 It's not that I can or can't win. I won't. Right. Like no matter what. Literally. I will not win this. You're not customer service. That's all.
Starting point is 00:48:24 But also it's like I'm not customer service and it's everyone else's expectation against my entire humanity. It's so crazy. But it's not their fault. That's how celebrity culture is where we find our happiness, our like depths of hell, and for the first time, your comment matters. For the first time, something you say, people notice. And that's why the big comments are all mean. Because for the first time, your voice matters in a country where you've been told that you never will matter. So that's why I think the psychologist, my personal psychology around why people hate celebrities online.
Starting point is 00:49:14 That's like why the biggest, all you look at the comments, the biggest ones are the meanest. Because finally, finally, finally, finally something you say is validated. After all this time, after you feeling so helpless, after everyone turning you down and saying that you don't matter, the mean parts of you do online. And so like, I don't blame people. Of course they're going to hate. It's like all that there is left.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Is to be mean because it's incentivizing a mean snarky. And the meaner you are, the more attention you get. Right. It doesn't get them past the ceiling of snark. The comment section. Right. The comment section. That's the other thing.
Starting point is 00:49:59 It doesn't get you past the comics. It's not like it's giving you a fucking job. It's not like it's getting you respect. It's not like it's giving you a fucking job. It's not like it's getting you respect. It's not like it's getting you, like, friends. Mm-hmm. It's awful because everybody, and I'm saying everybody, at the highest levels of, like, this kind of stardom,
Starting point is 00:50:18 that is, like, what they're dealing with. It is. I'm just telling everybody, like, from, like, from what I've seen, which is not too much, but it's like, oh shit, like even in small glimpses, like at SNL it's like, we just, we just, you just cycle through like different case studies and fame and it's just, that's the common thread.
Starting point is 00:50:36 And it's really fucked up. Anyway, we should move on. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious. Somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their neighbors and said to them,
Starting point is 00:51:09 do you think these people are good Americans? It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the God-damnedest love story you've ever heard. I picked up the phone and my thought was, this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life. I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio player, sports analyst, and the first woman to win a Rawlings Gold Glove.
Starting point is 00:51:49 On my new podcast, Dropping Diamonds, we dive headfirst into the world of softball by sharing powerful stories, insights, and conversations that inspire and empower. Softball is growing fast, and I'm going to help you keep up with the speed of the game and the athletes that play it. So well, you may even be able to throw out the fastest slapper. If you are an old or new fan looking to learn more about your favorite players or coaches and hear about their journeys and processes to success, this podcast is an exciting and invaluable resource
Starting point is 00:52:17 for anyone interested in the complexities of excellence on the softball diamond. Softball is a game of failure and pressure situations. But lucky for all the fabulous softball players and fans, pressure makes diamonds. And it's time to drop some bombs and diamonds on and off the Softball Diamond. Dropping Diamonds with AJ Andrews is an athletes' unlimited softball league production in partnership with iHeart Women's Sports and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to Dropping Diamonds with AJ Andrews on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One,
Starting point is 00:52:48 founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of Free Sea Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, the CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming and how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories
Starting point is 00:53:18 that truly make them feel seen. Would others dismiss as niche we embrace as core? It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to the new
Starting point is 00:53:52 season of Good Company starting April 23rd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. It could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless **** with me on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:54:29 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We want to ask you the question that we ask all of our guests, which is, Chapel Rome, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? So basically this can be a movie a music artist environmental something about growing up just Whatever it means to you the culture that made you you I'm really glad That guinea pigs have their own culture online Because I'm a guinea pig girl Wow, is this gonna be a thing never talked about them
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, no, a lot of people don't know that about the gu The guinea pigs were in, were on SNL for The Giver. Oh yeah, in the background, yes. The bears, the forest animals. Yes, the guinea pigs were back there. Talk about guinea pig culture. Well, I'm just obsessed with them. I had four at a time, but they passed away. They do that.
Starting point is 00:55:23 I am obsessed with them. I think they're the cutest animals on earth. I worked out of Guinea. I volunteered out of Guinea Pig Rescue for a year. I love rodents in general. And I love the Guinea Pig community online is awesome. I love that community. I think the culture in like all seriousness
Starting point is 00:55:45 that made me feel like me was drag. At first I was very freaked out by drag. I was like, I was like the clutch the pearls girl. Is that coming from where you come from? Yeah. Yeah. I've never like the first time I went to a drag show, I was 18, 17 or 18. And it was Hamburger Mary's. Oh, wow. And I was like, oh my God, why do they keep saying anus? That's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:56:15 They do that. And I was like, I just went, I was like, that was so fun. But why do they have to just make everything so dirty? I feel strange. Very Rocky Horror. Yeah, yes, and I was like what the hell and then I just got addicted to it. Yeah. And that has taken like a long time.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Yeah. Like that is in my actually in my blood now and like to realize all of that, how it freaked me out at first was really just me not having any gay culture at all expressed in my life whatsoever. So like, and there was no sarcasm like that. There was no like, I had no idea who John Waters was. Like, it was so cool to like see a whole community of people being gross on purpose for the sake of being, for the sake of pearl clutching.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Like, that is amazing to me. I love tackiness. I fucking love bad hair. I love bad style. I love camel toe. I love, I love, love, love a bad dye job. I love roots. I love like, I fucking love when people get their teeth knocked out.
Starting point is 00:57:23 I love like, I love that shit. One nip slip. Yeah, give me a nip slip. That's the least you could do. So that culture of like trashy on purpose is so freeing to me. I love that and the guinea pig culture and I also really appreciate the two girls, don't remember the names, who also believed in fairies with me. I love the fairy culture. I think that they're real maybe. I don't, I'm just gonna say that.
Starting point is 00:57:52 And I really appreciate the fairy culture because fairies make me happy and I lied to everyone that I saw them. You are a fairy drag queen guinea pig. Thank you. Did you know that? Yeah. And you've known that know that? Yeah. And you've known that. You knew it.
Starting point is 00:58:07 You knew it. You've always known it deep down. I like, you know, I love the also the there's been a real awakening, which I grew up on the Barbie movies, like the crazy animated ones. I saw a compilation the other day of the Barbie animals. Of how fucking crazy it was. And like, Barbie raised me. Yeah. But fairies and Barbie is a huge thing.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Barbie fairytopia. And that is where Bibble came from. And Bibble is basically a flying guinea pig. So... Do you feel like the fairies visit you when you're writing, when you're being creative? Are you channeling the fairies in a way? Are the fairies in the walls?
Starting point is 00:58:47 What are your muses like? I think the fairies are your muse. I usually, I would say yes. Fairies visit me. But I think like the way I write now is from like, I take things that are really fucked up and then make it really like like, I don't know. Like, it's the same with, like, the subway. The lyrics are usually always darker. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And they become, like, very, very dark and then they become, like, light. You do a brightening draft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's always, like, heavy, dark, and then, you know, then the fairies come and twinkle their fairy dust. And it's like... Yeah. All of a sudden can actually be on the radio. Yeah. Sorry, I've given like three cultures. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:59:29 They're all so good because they're sharing these. No, no, no. They're all so good because they're sharing these. You need to keep sharing. I want to return to guinea pigs. The sentence of the day. Because I had hamsters when I was little. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:41 And one of the most traumatic things I think I've ever been through. Did I tell you this? That's in every story. They were named Chip and Dale. And one day my dad said, I have to've ever been through. Did I tell you this? That's in every story. They were named Chip and Dale, and one day my dad said, I have to talk to you. And I was like, what? And then he basically was like, we don't have Chip and Dale anymore. And I was like, what? They had eaten each other, Chappell. That's what happened.
Starting point is 00:59:58 They had eaten each other alive. I don't know if it was throws of passion. I don't know if they had a gay fight. They ate each other at the same time. Chip and Dale each other. It was them then we didn't even win That's beta fish it what what is that? Beta fish they they fight each other they kill each other It couldn't compute and now getting older and knowing human nature and animal nature I sort of get it like they were cooped up together for a long time with God knows
Starting point is 01:00:23 They were chip and Dale. That's hard. Boys are territorial. They're vicious! It's true. But what were they territorial over? Like the space? They just, you know what? Fun fact about guinea pigs.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Yeah, say it. Normally, most of the time you can't have two, more than two together. And like you're lucky if they bond correctly as two boys like you have to like Bond them correctly or else they will fucking like try to kill each other Wow Maybe they just like did not get what they were just not bonded correctly. Yeah, or they were Their hamster, I don't Did you have gay ones? I only had girls hamster I don't know. Did you have gay ones? I only had girls. Girls do really well with like multiple girls. Oh my god, isn't that always the case? It is.
Starting point is 01:01:09 It always is the case. Yeah. Do you want to like have one now to like have around with you? Do you have? I wish I had there What is so like guinea pigs are not really children's pets like they're way more difficult to take care of than a dog or a cat. Really? Yes. How so? Because you can't just like pour them a bowl of food.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Like they need a specific type of hay. They need vitamin C. Like they need a specific type of fruits and vegetables. Oh. Like you have to give them supplements and you also like have to clean their cage. They can only have certain types of bedding. You have to exercise them. You can't just let them wander around like they're not potty trained. They have to be cleaned and like they need bubble baths. They need their nails trimmed. It's like not easy. So we had so many people come to the
Starting point is 01:02:00 rescue. We're like this is my first pet, I'm nine, and I'm like. And I think that's why so many people have so many traumatic stories, because they're actually such difficult pets to have. And maybe we just didn't know that, because I'm imagining it's the same, like, sociologically, I guess, because they killed each other. Right. But everyone has a crazy hamster,
Starting point is 01:02:20 guinea pig, or gerbil story. Gerbils. I can relate to the rodents. As I get older. You personally Bowen Yang? I'm a rodent. No, you're not, girl. Girl, yes! Well, okay, I don't wanna-
Starting point is 01:02:32 I'm a high maintenance, I'm little. You need your vitamin C. I need my vitamin C. You need your pellets, your hay. I need my hay, hun. You know what I mean? Can I tell you, I'm vitamin D deficient. Me too. I don't know, are you? So do I mean? Can I tell you, I'm vitamin D deficient. Me too.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Are you? So do you take like a vitamin D capsule? I must. You should. Yeah. But it's like, sometimes getting out there in the sun is like, you know, it's better in theory, but then you get sunburn. Can I ask you?
Starting point is 01:03:00 Why do you, speaking of the sun and New York, cruising? Yeah. And I, this is like, I, someone asked me this, like a gay guy friend asked me the other day, of like, why don't lesbians cruise? Huh. And I want to know what you think. This is what I think. I think because gay sex is a lot more transactional and a lot more projection-y. So it's like, actually it's funny, like this person that I was sleeping with,
Starting point is 01:03:26 we went on our first date and he goes, yeah, I don't hook up a lot because I feel that it's a lot to do with like projection and I don't really need that. Like talking about what we were talking about earlier about how like sex actually is like two people coming together and you usually can, I find this too, it's like when you have like good eye contact with someone or like the conversation is easy. That's why people talk about like the banter and it like just directly translates because that's what this person was
Starting point is 01:03:54 looking for and is looking for. And I think even more me and I've never really done like the cruisy thing and the like random hookup thing. Like, of course I've done, I've experienced it and like experimented, but but I never felt comfortable going in and out of those situations. A lot of people do and that's great, but I think it has to do with just what gay guys
Starting point is 01:04:16 are looking for and needing out of sex and it's just transactional. It can live in a marketplace, it can live in a bathhouse or a park, it can live, there's a space for it. Whereas like just to generalize, I feel like among lesbians, it's like it's very, there's no like end point to sex necessarily. It's emotional. It's like, it's, it's, it's, It's not achievement based. It's not achievement based. You're investing time and energy and
Starting point is 01:04:42 care for each other in a way that like not gonna be condensed into a sexual interaction. Yeah. Yeah. That's our theory. Does that sound right? I don't know. Imagine you were like, well, the answer is... No, I don't know. It was a quiz. I don't know the answer. I've just been...
Starting point is 01:04:58 Because I was naive and I went to Central Park and I was like, everybody is loving the sun. Like everyone is just out in their speedos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean it was the big audition. Yeah, and I was like, they're like, someone was like, they're cruising just now. And I was like, what? Cruising what?
Starting point is 01:05:17 And so, and I was like, so I've just been asking like, take on cruising and also why people think that it's not in the lesbian culture as much. I'm sure it is in some capacity that I just don't know about. I'm very out of the loop, but I am just, I'm very curious about it. What people's takes are, especially in New York. Because it's like, maybe it is in San Francisco more too, but I don't really know about it in LA. LA, I think, well, LA is weird because it's the king of this.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Looking over your shoulder. It's constant. And you know what it is? It's like, it's not even cruising as much as it more is just like constant comparison and like wondering how, if you can do better, that's kind of, and it's not to, again, I hate dragging a whole city because I love LA and like wondering how if you can do better that's kind of and it's not to again I hate dragging a whole city because I love LA and like but I have found with dating it is a lot harder a lot harder. That's what a lot of people say that they came to New York because LA is like really hard to date in.
Starting point is 01:06:17 Especially when like you're not like because now I'm I just turned 35 it's like I'm kind of looking now for something that could be my next like relationship and I Understand this like I get it I whatever but it can be a little demoralizing as you get older and are looking for something else So better to just take yourself out of the environment entirely, which is why I moved to New York. You can't move back So New York, we don't have our fucking phone stolen as much at the Abbey. Wait, this is a thing. Have you heard about this? You hear what happened at the Pink Pony Club?
Starting point is 01:06:53 You talked about it. I know. Is it you doing it? No! We've all had our phones stolen. Remember, I went to... I've never had my phone stolen. You guys have? I've had my phone stolen in West Hollywood. Not at the Abbey, but I've had three friends in one night have their phone stolen.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Yes! In West Hall. And you know what they were saying? It was, it was, the theory was that it was a bunch of short women doing it. Because they could just... Not that they're picking on the women, but that was the theory. They were picking on me. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Why not short guys? That short guy said that. All the short guys were like, it's the short women. It was the short women they said. But it became like epidemic there for a while in LA. It's crazy. It's like, I don't know. My friend just got his phone stolen at the Grove.
Starting point is 01:07:41 So it's crazy out there right now. The Barnes and Noble at the Grove. Where, at the Grove. It's crazy out there right now. The Barnes and Noble at the Grove. Where are you at? At the Aloe. Oh my God. Is it Aloe? Is it not A-L-O? A-L-O, oh, I have no idea.
Starting point is 01:07:54 I'm butchering it. Send us clothes and maybe we'll figure it out. No, but yeah, no, the Grove, wow. Imagine cruising at the Grove. It happens. One time I saw my favorite porn star at the Grove. Should I say who it is? No.
Starting point is 01:08:07 His name is Chris Dammed. He's great. And I saw him. Chris Dammed? Yeah. Fine. That's awesome. But he's not like demonic.
Starting point is 01:08:14 He's like quite lovely. I love it. But by the way, a lot of people are my favorites. I don't have one favorite. At the time I was gagged because there he was at the Grove. Yeah. I was like, wow. A star.
Starting point is 01:08:32 My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell-bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans? It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century,
Starting point is 01:09:05 and the god damnest love story you've ever heard. I picked up the phone and my thought was, this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life. I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We dive headfirst into the world of softball by sharing powerful stories, insights, and conversations that inspire and empower.
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Starting point is 01:10:37 founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of Free Seaventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, the CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming and how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so
Starting point is 01:11:14 many stories out there and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to the new season of Good Company starting April 23rd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,
Starting point is 01:11:47 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one.
Starting point is 01:12:04 And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out.
Starting point is 01:12:15 It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless **** with Me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast. I think it's time. Oh my god, it might be time. It's time for I Don't Think So Honey. For I Don't Think So Honey. And I like, I was sort of going back and forth about what I was going to do.
Starting point is 01:12:34 I guess I'll do this. Because we also had a caffeine conversation before getting on. Yeah, okay, I'll do this. So this is I Don't Think So Honey. It's our one minute segment where we take 60 seconds, aka one minute if you really think about it, to rip something apart in culture. And here we go. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:12:51 And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that coffee gives you coffee breath. That sucks. We need to figure it out. Like, actually wake up in the morning and I become that person where I open my eyes and I need caffeine. I don't think so, honey, that it's going to change anytime soon.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Our guest is off caffeine. And I feel like I'm inspired by that, but it's just another one of my strange addictions. I now wake up in the morning. And also now I have relationships at the coffee shops. Those are my girls. I have my girls in LA and I have my girls in New York. And I just realized in this moment,
Starting point is 01:13:22 I'm leaving my apartment in LA, and I'm leaving my girls. That's really hard. But back to what I was there, so sweet. Fernanda, she also stands Lana Del Rey. And like literally when I said I was going to Coachella, she goes, I love Lana. She did this. And so she's an icon.
Starting point is 01:13:41 But listen, the thing about coffee is it gives you coffee breath, which is so bad for kissing, speaking, breathing, et cetera, and more. And I just want to figure out a way to get my fix of caffeine and not have coffee breath, I guess. Here it is, Diet Coke, Celsius, et cetera. But I love coffee, I don't think so, honey. That's one minute.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Like I'm now at the place where... You just gotta go cold turkey on it, I think. I think so, but it's like, now it's like so built into my life getting a cold brew right away first thing when you wake up I quit over Christmas break and was it just cuz like you were getting oh yeah I was just like going crazy yeah I was like already too anxious and so like I was like if I want to actually calm down I have to take every stimulant away yeah, every stimulant. So wait, do you smoke weed? Not right now. Not right now. Yeah. Yeah. So like basically are you in a place right now of like there's nothing going in
Starting point is 01:14:34 Good. I wish. Let me say that there's an asterisk. I want a fuck ton of drugs though. Like yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like but it's not recreational. No, not right now. No SSRI Queen. Yeah. Yeah, come on I'm yeah, I've got my I also have insomnia So like and I'm bipolar so it's like really hard if you are like not sleeping and Doing weed. Yeah, so it's It's like the cocktail, but I do love an edible. I do love shrooms. Thank you, Silo, for sending me a box. I don't know how you did that legally. Hey, Silo, we're a man bowing and we would love that.
Starting point is 01:15:12 I know, next time. But I agree with you. It's really hard. Quitting caffeine sucks for four weeks straight. But then you're okay. What we're not reckoning with is it is a drug. Totally. It is a drug.
Starting point is 01:15:27 It's a studio. And now I actually wondered about that, like people that are in AA and stuff. Like I wonder what the relationship is with caffeine. I'm sure there's a support group out there for you. That's wild. I think we can, let's do it together. Well, it's like, add it to the list. I'm now at the place where it's just like, I don't know why I keep doing this, but I
Starting point is 01:15:44 just keep, I'm moving to a new apartment in New York, and I keep associating that with the day my new life will begin. But like, you can't. That's like, that's like addict speak to yourself. It's like, well, I'll be sober from this thing by age 35, or like, I'll just stop doing this on May 12th. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:16:02 It's like, but why wouldn't you just stop doing it now? Right. Yeah. So that's me with caffeine, and this would solve my coffee breath problem. Period. I think... Very afraid of people.
Starting point is 01:16:13 Like, I think that one of the worst things that could happen is for people to be like, oh, he has bad breath. That's bad. That is my worst nightmare. Yeah. We're good. Someone's saying that. Don't worry.
Starting point is 01:16:25 Anyway. Don't worry. Anyway. Don't worry about it. Okay, Bo and Yang, you actually came in galvanized today. I did. Okay, so this is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, as time starts now. I don't think so honey, Ampersands. You're doing too much.
Starting point is 01:16:39 Why do you look like that? Why do you look like other ways? Stay in one lane, figure out one look. I'm gonna draw an ampersand right now, okay? And now I have carpal tunnel. That is crazy, that shape. And here's, I looked it up. This is what ampersand is short for, quote unquote.
Starting point is 01:16:56 And per se, and. Honey, just say, and. Just say, and. You will never be plus. You will never be universal,, global like plus is. Good luck finding an ampersand in any non-Latin-based writing system. Plus is here to stay.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Plus everyone on earth, from children to elders, knows what plus means. It will stand for and just fine. And if you're too lazy to write A-N-D, honey, you're in for a rude awakening. Lots of other challenges in life up ahead for you. Ampersand, it's not saving you time. It's gonna give you wrist problems
Starting point is 01:17:31 and you're being stupid. You're being stupid. I didn't stick the landing. No, you did. That was great. That was Epic Universe. Thank you. I have to say, especially as two people
Starting point is 01:17:43 who often are Matt and Bowen and the Ampersand is in there, don't do it. Don't do it. From now on it's Matt plus Bowen, right? Matt plus Bowen. We're doing plus. I've used an ampersand recently. I'm gonna start to retroactively. You ended ampersand today. Thank you. Thank you so much. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Thoughts on ampersand? Um, I use it every day. No! Wait, when you're doing what? I will, I write in cursive and so it's like... Oh, you're so cool. I'm like... I use and sign all the time though.
Starting point is 01:18:12 How do you write it? I don't do that crazy eight thing. It's the crazy eight thing is you do the reverse three in the line down the middle? I just go... It looks like an upside down four. No, that's a plus sign. Yeah? Okay, then I do that. Wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Because you've also done it, I don't think so, honey, on the letter nine. On the letter nine. No, sorry, the number nine. Sesame Street, reach out. You need us there to teach the children. Wait, the number nine. So wait, if you don't like ampersand,
Starting point is 01:18:39 how can you stand by the number eight? Because eight represents the number eight. But it still would give you carpal tunnel if asked to write, if asked with writing it. How can you stand by the number eight? Because eight represents the number eight. And- But it still would give you carpal tunnel if asked to write it, if asked with writing it. And it's easier for me to write eight the numeral than it is to write E-I-G-H-T. And is barely saving you any time from writing Andy.
Starting point is 01:18:57 I do agree that handwriting an ampersand is like a mind fuck, but you know, if you can figure it out, which it seems like you have. Upside down for four, play. I support. Okay. Chapel, I feel like you wrote your topic down and we don't know what it is yet.
Starting point is 01:19:11 This is how I do it. This is like- Okay. Is this the creative process? Are you always carrying around like a Moleskine? This isn't mine, this is- No, I know, but I'm in a world where it is yours. Bo and Ann.
Starting point is 01:19:23 Bo and Ann, that's she. Really good. Thank you. world where it is yours. Bo and Ann. Oh. That's she. Really good. Thank you. Okay, it's time. This is Chapel Rones. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. My I don't think so, honey is stop.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Let people get bad veneers. Let them have veneers. Let the people have bad veneers. Let them have good veneers. Let them fall out. Let them be pure white, let them be look like coffee, let them... Who cares if they don't fit? What if they love them? What if people love their veneers? What if they saved up so long to get these veneers?
Starting point is 01:19:58 30 seconds. And then you say that they look fucked up. Don't say that to them. Let the girls get veneers. Let them look like buck teeth. And you know what? It's okay if they talk different. That's what happens when you change your teeth. You're just gonna look and talk different and it's okay. Stop dragging them. Your teeth are probably busted, which is fine. But you know what? I support you if you got veneers and you're busted. Yeah, and that's one minute. Okay, this is important. Wait. This is amazing.
Starting point is 01:20:32 It's very American of people to be like, I know how teeth are supposed to look. Do you want to know my hottest take? How people drag cosmetic surgery and drag cosmetic whatever, la la la. You know what's fucking cosmetic? Braces. Yeah. So you want to tell me you haven't had cosmetic work done, but you've had braces? Mmm, got them.
Starting point is 01:20:51 Got them. Don't tell me that. We've all had gender affirming care. Me shaving my fucking stubble this morning is GAC. Wow. Not to go there, but Veneers, are you speaking? And I will say, this is especially meaningful coming from you because I feel like your orthodontia
Starting point is 01:21:13 is very pristine. Because I had fucking, I had work done. You had braces. On my teeth. Yeah, I had fucking Invisalign for years because I could afford it. Right. How, what was the Invisalign process like for you?
Starting point is 01:21:27 I'm actually flirting with it in my brain because people have started to get a little mean about my teeth. Because they're American. Yeah. Wow. It's only in the United States that it's fucking people are obsessed. Obsessed. Obsessed. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:41 And if you do have stray teeth and they're fucking yellow, they better not be. Like, in reality, bitch, you have to have money to do this shit. Like, it's so expensive. No one has fucking healthcare. No one has Kenpoo 4 fucking braces. Like, so I say let them be. I say let it be. We need girls with different teeth.
Starting point is 01:21:58 I never thought I had bad teeth. You don't. I do have bad teeth. You know what it is? It's like, they're just, okay, so this was the East. There's evenly space. This is the truth. You have bad teeth. You know what it is? It's like they're just, okay, so this was- There's evenly spaced. This is the truth. This is the truth.
Starting point is 01:22:07 I did a very small role in a movie called Lila Crocodile. A huge movie called Lila Crocodile. My co-stars, Shawn Mendes as the crocodile and Constance Wu as herself, as a character, but she was not animated. And what was your character? So I played like a Ryan Seacrest like America's Got Talent like host because of course Lyle Lyle goes and wiles the judges at the end, right? So The little boy playing the lead I'm saying this publicly
Starting point is 01:22:38 Comes over to me like runs over to me and goes I'm like, hey, what's up? He goes you have sharp teeth like a shark and I go He goes over to me and goes, I'm like, hey, what's up? He goes, you have sharp teeth like a shark. And I go, I literally go, not a bad thing. You can't say that to people. And he just runs away. And I was like, this little actor just dragged me to hell. And then you know what happened.
Starting point is 01:22:55 I went into the goddamn bathroom and went like this. Pretty hearts. Like, shine a light on what happens worst. Like Amil's thinking like, what is wrong? And then they started saying like, he needs braces. But I also want to tell you, I tuck it in one side of my mouth. But this is the stuff you Americans have gotten in my head. And then one guy I was dating said, never change the gap.
Starting point is 01:23:22 Never change the gap. No, no, no, everybody. I've dated a lot of different teeth people. And I like them all. Yeah. As long as you don't have bad breath, who fucking cares? Right. That's my coffee.
Starting point is 01:23:38 I love it. I love it. I love when people have gold teeth. I love it when people have missing teeth. I love it. Yes. I just like, let's see. It's also just like, bitch, some parents could never
Starting point is 01:23:48 fucking afford their kid to have braces. When you grow up, that's what happens. I know, I know. And you know what? It's fucking hell to have braces. And some people really need them because or else they'll have actual jaw problems or teeth will start falling out
Starting point is 01:24:01 because it's overcrowding. Whatever, bitch. But I was actually admiring your teeth the whole time. Oh, really? Yeah, I was like, they're so cute. Thank you for saying this. Right, and you have very white teeth too. Yes, Bollin Yang has a great dental situation. But I'm saying thank you for saying this important thing about,
Starting point is 01:24:18 let veneers be yellow because they should be a little yellow because then someone's going to say, well, those veneers are too white. It's like, you can't win with no won't win You won't win. That's important distinction. I thought about can't it's not about should Yeah, or you might win you will not That's for my therapist on Monday Honestly, are you going once a week?
Starting point is 01:24:45 I'm in twice a week. I'm in twice a week. I have my biodynamic craniosacral therapy. I have my acupuncture. I have my... all my girls. I need to try acupuncture. Acupuncture will slag. Really? I had to do it like 10 times until I really was like, I understand.
Starting point is 01:25:03 It takes a minute. It takes a second. What do you mean? Like physically it's hard to adjust to it or it just wasn't doing anything? Because like, you know, you was like, I understand now. It takes a minute. It takes a second. What do you mean? Like physically it's hard to adjust to it or it just wasn't doing anything? Because, you know, you're like, I was trained in like only medicine works. Like only like taking medicine works. And so whenever I don't have like an immediate, like I take Tylenol and then I feel better. If I go and get acupuncture and I'm like, nothing's different. I was like, does this work? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:25:25 And it's like with wellness medicine, you just, it's about, you have to keep fucking going and showing up. And like, I realized if like the actual acupuncture itself wasn't doing anything differently, I knew that every time I walked in there, I immediately got calmer. And that's enough. And now I believe that it's doing something. It's doing both now.
Starting point is 01:25:49 Right. I love that I'm just lying there for like a half hour and I can't do anything. Yeah. It's kind of cool. It is kind of cool. Today was kind of cool. Today was very cool.
Starting point is 01:25:58 And we were so happy that you were able to come. We've been wanting to do this with you for such a long time. And we are, obviously, it feels like even silly to say, but like we are such fans. I know. Like we really like, I just think you're the best. You guys made me feel so special. You believed in the art.
Starting point is 01:26:16 You were the start of the getting the queer community on board. Oh, no. No, I'm serious. Like you like, I remember you guys nominated for. And you said you were here for the acceptance speech from Buckingham Palace. I did. I did. I was in Buckingham Palace. And I was like, I can't believe I'm nominated with like, Moona. Like, that's so crazy. I was like, this is crazy that these were all like nominated. That feels so big.
Starting point is 01:26:41 And because I had never been like recognized on a platform that big yet. So that was so so I don't know I just really appreciate it and that you got it like you were the first people in media to get it Because you articulated it for the right for the first time because you were like, it's can't be there's lore and I was like Finally someone understands that it's a joke Finally they understand that I'm everything I'm doing is like an homage or reference to like the queer elders. Finally, someone understands that it's deeper than just what I'm doing on stage or writing about. Like, it felt so nice to be understood.
Starting point is 01:27:20 That is what was so awesome. I was like, it's working and they're the proof. It's so working and you're so for real and we just like, it's been truly surreal and a joy even for us to watch everyone really embrace you. And I just hope that even sometimes when it feels difficult, you know just how held you are and how loved you are and how special we think you are. Thank you. And like, you'll always have a place right there and right here. Thank you. Let's get the ears together. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:27:52 I know. Yes. So we end every episode with a song, Bo. Great. I mean, we could do one of our guests, but also... Also, let's do it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Bye! Yay! Las Culturas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bo Winyak. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier.
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