Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - Finale Spectacular!: Part Three of our 200th Episode Trilogy - The Top 200 Moments in Culture History

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

After two failed attempts at getting through all 200 top moments in culture history, we try once again. Will it be the last time? The vodka Red Bulls are back. Listen and find out. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

And, you know, some things to address up top. Yeah. As usual. This is day three of our unplanned saga. We thought we could get all of this out and pay respects within one two-hour chunk. And yet we, that was the hubristic sort of journey that we were on on this episode when we overcame our fatal flaw,

and now we are going to hopefully get through the rest of the top 25 months of culture. I think we can do it. We've returned to a situation where we're drinking vodka Red Bull. Yes! We have actually returned. A bookend.

A bookend. So we are actually back to alcohol consumption, which I feel good about, but one thing I don't feel great about is, know as we said yesterday there was going to be some changes and removals and additions to the list um because that can happen um and what bowen yang has chosen to take off the list he actually argues it is not a part of culture and i think it is a part of culture it was even in the top 25 okay let's talk about it i i will not i'll get to what i want you to say it i'll get to what i replaced what we're

about to reveal with once we get to it but i took out first of all let me know this is what i have to say up top before we get into this the way we wrote this list was we started with number one they don't need to know the process they don't need to. No, they don't need to know the process. They don't need to know the process. They don't need to know the process. So it felt like a very sort of stream of consciousness that we were just putting in random things willy-nilly and not really giving thought to the order when we've been giving thought to the order this whole time. Absolutely

Bigglefreak by Megan Thee Stallion beat out Jonas Salk inventing the polio vaccine for empirical reasons. We agree on that one. We agree on that one. I took out Christina Ricci, who was I think at the 20th spot. He took out Christina Ricci. I replaced it with something much more

significant. Christina Ricci, I mean, after Adam's Family, what was the big moment? That darn cat. White Snake Moan. Black Snake Moan. Black snake moan. Excuse me. I don't even know.

That was tough. Oh, and who else is in the movie? Justin Timberlake. Who cares? And Samuel L. And I just want to say something. You don't just fly through Adam's family.

She was the Wednesday Adams. And if for you to say that Christina Ricci is not a part of culture, she was also iconically in the code black episode of Grey's Anatomy. It's unbelievable what you do and the way you act and behave. I don't think she is the moment. She is not a moment. She was such a moment. She invented deadpan.

She invented deadpan, but deadpan. Janine Garofalo found dead. Dead. Janine Garofalo found dead when we called it out that Christina Ricci had invented deadpan. I want to say that what I replaced Christina Ricci with, we will talk about this when we get it out that Christina Ricci had invented deadpan. I want to say that what I replaced Christina Ricci with,

we will talk about this when we get to it. And I would argue a huge moment for the culture, an actual moment, someone doing something and it affecting. Are you serious? You need to re-look at Christina Ricci's efforts to film and television

and understand that when she was in Adam's Family turning those lines, those one-liners, it had never been seen before. Winona wishes. Winona wishes. Oh my God. Winona sadly did not make the list.

She didn't make the list. Winona Ryder is not on the list. Not even for her SAG Awards faces. Not even for her with the Christmas lights. Not even for her during her actual peak. I mean... Okay, Matt, I think it's time to dive with the Christmas lights. Not even for her during her actual peak. I mean... Okay, Matt, I think it's time to dive into the top 25. Despite us not agreeing on Christina Ricci,

I think we agree on literally 99.9% of the list. And that includes what we're about to say. So 99.9% of 200 items is 0.2%. So my statistics weren't exactly dead on. No, no, no. I'm just doing the math and I'm like, okay, yeah, I think distributed over the 200, there are parts of each item on the list

that we disagree on. Yes, I think that, but that's part of partnership and concession and that's part of moving forward. We can't agree on everything. Yes, we just want to clear up something too. We had people reach out. They were saying,

oh God, I hope this person doesn't make it on the list or this person doesn't make it on the list. Like people that they seem to dislike and we go, this is not negative. That's not. Yes, exactly. This is not the biggest impact people. It is the, we should clarify that it's cultural moments that

were positive, that positively affected the culture. This is cultural canon and there's no place for your negativity, your disagreement. You are not the culture east as we are. We say the list. Oh, no, but I'm saying it's no negative people. I know what you're saying. There's not a lot of negative stuff in the list

because that's not actually contributing to culture. Exactly. You have to be positive to contribute to culture, and that's actually rule of culture number 12. You have to be positive to contribute to culture. You know, even the quote-unquote nasty moments on the list including rosie and elizabeth's fight on the view or contribute positively in a way exactly and even jamila jamila's multiple slash conflicting stories about getting chased by bees that positively contributed to the culture it

positively contributes to the culture because it makes it more of a possibility that she is done on Snatch Game soon. Yes! I think that when you, when, here's the thing about Shamila Jamil. And we hope someone does a Snatch Game of her. Shamila Jamil is playing a really good long game. Yes. Because she's making herself iconic for questionable

things, and that is gonna make her an amazing Snatch Game character. Yes, I agree with you. For a drag queen one day uh you matt you know my theory on lady gaga is that her whole career every part of her career has been a performance of fame performance of fame i feel like jamila jamil is doing the same kind of performance art on the same level i would even say so what we're saying is jamila jamil is actually a warholian sort of artist yes yeah yeah but with sort of like um pull quotes with pull quotes with seemingly playing a heightened version of a character that she played on a tv show yeah um it's so fascinating to me it's i mean it's a fascinating thing and the fact that she gets the center chair on legendary makes absolutely no sense. And yet there she is announcing and like stealing stuff from Deshaun

Wesley being like, actually, I'm going to be the one to explain what the money ball situation is. It's, it's amazing. No, no, I'm not dragging.

I'm saying it's, it's performance art. It is. It's performance art. I'm not dragging. I'm not dragging. To me, there's actually nothing funnier than a beautiful woman being traced by a

bee, like beautiful woman being chased by bees. And in fact, chased by so many bees that it plagues her. To me, there's not much funnier than that one. Than that. I mean, Macaulay Culkin wishes in My Girl. Oh, honey. I mean, first of all.

Not a beautiful woman. Macaulay Culkin. Not a beautiful woman. At the time, like, a fine looking boy yes now when you come out and you say i was chased by bees and that's that's what persecutes me yes that actually takes away from macaulay yes and that is a problem now we wish we could say macaulay was on the list he's not he's not on the listulay was on the list. He's not.

He's not on the list. He's not on the list. He did not make the list. Not even Anna Klumski on the list. No one from My Girl on the list. No one from the cast of Home Alone on the list. Not even Catherine O'Hara. Not even Catherine O'Hara, who I think has made a career

that would sort of definitely warrant consideration for the list. She just didn't make it. She couldn't even really match up with Nicole Scherzinger on honorable mention No, she wasn't even an honorable mention although it's nothing against her, it's just she didn't make the list this time. She was not a moment. You know, when we get to our

400th episode, there's going to be a whole new list. Yes. And we'll talk about her then but for now no no um and we will let's just say this is would you say that this is a living document matt i would say that all documents are living in a way okay i i love that thank you so much um i agree i agree that this is a living document yeah Yeah. Because it comes from, we're actually going to talk about where documents come from in rule number 20,

sorry, and number 24 on the list. Absolutely. So what do you say we actually get beginning? I say we get beginning. All right. So there's 25 things that are in the top 25 moments of culture

and we are so excited. And we have plenty of time to really get into it. Really get into it. Really get into it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Number 25.

I can't believe that we're finally counting on the top 25. This is really, this feels really cool. Number 25 on the list is every actress in Drop Dead Gorgeous. Denise. Amy Adams. The fact that the first one you say is Denise. And why shouldn't she be first? Rightfully so.

I mean, when she did that dance with Jesus. Oh my God. Just too good to be true. And when she was a face on Mount Rushmore. I mean, a genius performance. You gotta talk about Kirstie Alley. You gotta talk about Kirstie Alley. Kirstie, you know, say what you want,

but she is giving you everything. Is that for me or my gown a sade works farther down again oh um okay and then you had allison jenny you had allison jenny at ellen bark and i mean ellen bark and allison jenny the duo to end all duos duo to end all duos you had not an actress i don't mean to misgender will sasso. Will Sasso in a fun role. So this item is every actress in Drop Dead Gorgeous. I know, but- And you say Will Sasso. And the way that all those movies

are a little tough to watch because they haven't aged well. Will Sasso, there's potentially an ableist performance that's there that's problematic. Right. But we acknowledge, we don't celebrate Will Sasso.

We say that Will Sasso is there, but that this is about the actresses. Not on the list. Not on the list. But he's not that's problematic. Right. But we acknowledge, we don't celebrate Will Sasso. We say that Will Sasso is there, but that this is about the actresses. Not on the list. Not on the list. But he's not on the list. He's not on the list. And who is on the list? Debra Wilson,

his castmate on Mad TV. She has made the list prior, but Will Sasso does not make the list as part of the number 25, Every Actress in Drop Dead Gorgeous. Who does make the list is Kirsten Dunst. Kirsten Dunst. Now,

here's the thing about kirsten dunst another iconic moment that could have made the list but did not was the toothbrushing scene and bring it on bring it on that was very close to making the list yes um but what she does here in drop dead gorgeous is a next level and every actress in this has done next level work yes um another work. Yes. Another Kirsten moment, if I might add. That did not make the list, but her being separated from her dog in Marie Antoinette in the beginning. Very emotional. She was very sad

to be leaving that dog and to be married to this short French man. So you really love it. Have you seen Unbecoming a God? I saw the pilot and it was... The way she sort of screams after she shoots the bullets into the lake at the crocodiles at the end of the episode. Yes, yes. That I love.

I love the way she skins, and we talked about this, skins what appears to be an actual live crocodile in the beginning of the second episode of Unbecoming a God. We did talk about this, how you were pretty convinced that this was a real crocodile. Well, it would be an alligator if it was in Florida. I'm sorry, it was an alligator, but she peels the skin and the scales. Yeah, but I feel it must have been a prop. And I was saying that I don't know.

I don't think there's a prop budget or an effects budget to make. I mean, you know, take it up with PETA, but they might have actually bought some dead gators. So you think that as someone who knows

the magic that is prop work and costumes, you think this was a real alligator? I'm not saying that I have any specific industry knowledge, but it just seemed like a real alligator. We're going to need the set designer or props department of On Becoming a god in central

florida to please reach out regardless this has been 25 every actress on on drop dead gorgeous and we have to say just before we go britney murphy this is to this guy you were the one and please understand that you were also iconic and clueless for saying you're a virgin who can't drive and that you also did not make the list for that but you do make the list as part of the drop dead gorgeous cast we do we do give props to uptown girl yes uptown girls and we love you britney murphy and we talked about this right i mean many at this point many many many people have put forward the theory that had she been alive had were she still alive today she would have won an oscar by now i think my theory is she would have been one of the theory that had she been alive, were she still alive today, she would have won an Oscar by now.

I think my theory is she would have been one of the queens of television. She would have been the queens of peak TV. I don't think Oscar for her, I think two or three Emmys. Gosh, could you imagine like a Brittany Murphy-led like prestige TV show? I can imagine it.

But like how good would that be? It would be amazing. She peaked before her time. Yeah. We love Brittany. We love Brittanyaked before her time yeah we love britney we love britney now another thing we love talk about living documents from before this rule number i keep calling them rules because we famously do rules of culture this is a little paradigm shift number 24 on the top 200 lists in cult top 200 moment moments in culture history is the invention of paper.

Huge. Oh my God. I know things are a little bit tense when we think of a Chinese person right now. I can't believe you just said that. I know there's tension. There's potentially yet another pandemic, potential flu that's coming out of the country. We can't talk about that. That's not what we're talking about.

We're talking about the invention of paper, which was, people think it's Egyptian. It's an Egyptian invention that papyrus started it all. No, it was the Chinese who took a bunch of- Started it all?

Started it all. Started it all in a different way. In a different way. Some man took a bunch of leaves, ground and wood, and ground them into this mulch, then laid it out and flattened it, let it soak in the sun, and then they got the idea to write on it. I can't believe this is true.

Paper came from China. This is the anecdotal fact. So paper is a Chinese invention, not Egyptian, and that's actually rule of culture, rule of culture number 97. Paper is actually an invention of China, not Egyptian. Not Egyptian. So unfortunately, Egypt, you lose the frown. This is not yours.

And I just have to say, we would not have so many amazing things if we hadn't had paper. We wouldn't have had the journals that Taylor Swift wrote her songs in. We wouldn't have had, you know, the journals that Taylor Swift wrote her songs in. We wouldn't have had the napkin that J.K. Rowling J.K. Rowling

wrote and we celebrate her. We would have had the paper that was a facsimile on the Google document that J.K. Rowling wrote her 27 paragraphs

transphobic screed on that she would later publish onto her own website. And you'll also notice that no Harry Potter appears on the list of culture. And honestly, a month ago,

that would have sounded crazy. But not anymore. But not anymore. Not anymore. Not anymore. And I want to say, Taylor Swift's journals, yes, thank you, Matt.

Without paper, we would not have the Notes app apology, which was in many ways innovated and perfected by Miss Taylor Swift. Apps, I would say. I mean, she wants to be removed from this narrative.

Who could forget what she wants? She would very much have liked to been excluded from this narrative. I was not aware that I was being called a bitch or something along those lines. Where's the footage of? Yes. Where's the footage of? She is notes app queen. Yes.

And a lyrics pass on a notes app queen yeah only the young can run only the young can run yeah um let's just say this has kind of become about notes app this is about paper when it was really about paper and that's actually a comment on 2020 were we aware we were making the comment? You decide. You decide. So number 23 on the list is Bond Girls. You know these girls.

Yes. These are the girls in every Bond movie. Of course, I'm talking about James Bond, but it was right to say his name, his last name first.

Yes. Because that's what he does in this town. Make no mistake, they are not his possessions. They are not his chattel. No, no, no. They are autonomous women. They are the girls

of the Bond sort of film genre. Yes. And so many amazing women, starting with Ursula Andress, running all the way up to Miss Anna de Armas and the new one that's going to come out next year. Girl, we have seen Denise Richards play

a Bond girl. We have seen Terry Hatcher. Michelle Yeoh. We have seen Michelle Yeoh. Yes. We have seen Denise Richards play a Bond girl. We have seen Terry Hatcher. Michelle Yeoh. We have seen Michelle Yeoh. Yes. We have seen Miz, my favorite Bond girl, Famke Janssen. Famke, yes. Famke Janssen play, of course, Xenia on the top.

Thighs that could kill you. She killed men with, she squeezed with her thighs. And this is the camp that I'm looking for in James Bond. Yes, thank you. And is this, are these movies bringing the camp? Would you say, I don't know that Anna DeArmas is gonna serve camp to me, you know? And I want a little goofiness. I want goofy. That's the thing, it's like

it's the same thing with Batman movies, you know what I mean? Oh, we're gonna get into Batman movies. Oh, we're gonna get into that. I appreciate that The Dark Knight and Christopher Nolan had its dark moment, but at its heart, I want Joel Schumacher sort of gay camp nipples on the bat suit, and I kind of want the equivalent of that

with James Bond. I want him to say something corny, and literally every woman in the entire place drowns in their own wetness. I love that about James Bond. I love that about James Bond. I mean, a full fantasy. There are no actual women like this who behave like this in the world I love that about James Bond. I love that about James Bond. I mean, a full fantasy.

Like, there are no actual women like this who behave like this in the world, who are so capable and so smart and yet completely horny enough and so hot and so horny enough to, like, let those things kind of slide out of their humanity when they see James Bond. What is your Bond girl name? Oh, my God. Hmm. This is hard. This is hard. girl name? Oh my god. Hmm. This is hard. This is hard. I have mine. Okay, go. Dr. Natasha Nutt. That's really good. That's really good. And they call me Dr. Nutt. And they

call me Dr. Nutt. Where are you meeting Mr. Bond? I have my PhD in quantum physics and also you getting that nut. Get this nut. Dr. Natasha Nut meets James Bond actually in a sort of science bunker

very close to the Arctic. Yes. It's way up north because I've actually been, my knowledge is so severe have they have to put me very far away so he has to come to the arctic to sort of you know get to know me a little bit better yes and let's just say that things get a little hot yeah at the arctic pole that's fun and uh yeah yeah i die in the movie after you give after we have intelligence amazing mind-blowing

sex i give crucial intelligence and then i'm actually um this is this is so sad dr natasha nutt gets um impaled on the north pole the pole itself it exists there's a pole there there's a pole there and she gets well it's santa's pole wow she gets impaled on it when they befriend santa and then it turns out that santa is a russian op and um and you said dr nutt specializes in arctic science um no i said she specializes in quantum physics and getting that nut and and getting that nut yeah she has has to live by the Arctic Circle because they don't want anyone to find her. Amazing. Because she's such an amazing mind. And she also looks like young Kyle Richards, a.k.a. me.

Oh, my God. A.k.a. No. Amanda Kimmel Circa Survivor China. Yeah. She actually looks like me, a.k.a. Amanda Kimmel Circa Survivor China. You guys have the same face. Very much so. I have my name. I knew it.K.A. Amanda Kimmel, Circa Survivor China. You guys have the same face.

Very much so. I have my name. I knew it. Okay. She doesn't drink alcohol, so her name is Youth Pastor Tita Taylor. Tita Taylor. Youth Pastor? Tita Taylor.

Tita Taylor. She's a Tito Taylor, and her name is Tita Taylor. Tita Taylor. And she's a youth pastor, and she's actually an op. Of course, they're always ops. They're always ops. She works for the NSA. She has crucial information on the Archdiocese of Colorado.

Oh, my God. Because, I mean, I think the reason I took the role is because the character's from Colorado. Yeah, that's why you took it. She gives James Bond— For some reason, James Bond is in the Rockies. She gives James Bond information on the Archdiocese of Colorado for burying a lot of scandalous activity from the Catholic Church. Does she die? She lives. Oh, she lives!

She lives and she becomes I want to say a Fox News commentator. Oh no, I hate when that happens. She's the intelligence expert that they bring on. Wait, did I tell you they brought me back for another Bond movie but to play a different character? her name is who is this her name is leafa leafa yeah l-e-a-f-a leafa what's her story oh my god she blends into the trees camo queen let leafa and so basically

the hunt is she a hunting expert yes so she's a hunting expert and camouflage expert. Yes. And she meets James Bond when he has to spy in the trees. Yes. She's only in it for a really short time. Yes. Leafa, she's incredibly hot. She has triple H tits.

And she is able to get up in the trees and blend in. Oh my God. And she teaches James Bond to do the same. And she, we don't find out if she lives or dies oh my god which makes me feel like they want to ask me back they want to ask you back wait i took on another role you did i took congratulations thank you so much this is a different character what is it um she is a genius at puzzles oh her name is ruby cubix and she can solve a rubik's cube with her pussy. Oh my God, that fucking bitch.

That bitch. Oh my God, that fucking bitch. She's the best. No, but she's actually so nice. She's not a bitch. She's very nice. No, I just mean like, sometimes I'm just getting out my frustration and jealousy.

Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, bitch as a term of endearment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ruby Cubics can solve a puzzle. Yeah, she runs Sporkle.com. Oh my God. We all love Sporkle. Why does James Bond need to go to Sporkle headquarters?

Just because there's a glitch on one of the puzzles that's like name as many vice presidents as you can. I see. And there's one name that pops up that is not an actual vice president. Trickery. It's Leafa. So James Bond has to wonder why his old flame Leafa is on the sporkle.com registry so they are gonna bring me back yes

oh my god we're in the same movie oh my god that's so exciting fun that's so fun well i hope that um our characters develop yes because i think that's something i thought about my two characters that i played in james bond my two Bond girls, is they just weren't developed enough. So I'd love to see, you know, some different kind of writers coming in. Yes. I'd love to see Phoebe Waller-Bridge write my character. I want Rian Johnson to come write mine. Okay.

Because, you know, he wrote wonderful roles for both Daniel Craig and Anna de Armas after their Bond movie. Yes, yes. I think that we can get them together and see what they do. I mean, that's not our job, but it is our job to demand that our characters be more developed. So anyway, that was for Bond Girls. Congratulations, Bond Girls.

You made it to 23 on the list. Congratulations. And really, in a way, it's congratulations to us. To us. As Bond Girls. Number 22. This really means a ton to you.

Kate Bush, the queen of being a young white girl musical genius. I thought it was very important to add this in. Without Kate Bush. Kate Bush, the queen of being a young white girl musical genius. I thought it was very important to add this in. Without Kate Bush, Kate Bush made it acceptable for a 17-year-old girl to be a musical genius. And before that, there were none. There were none. Before that, it was only Mozart representing for the band. Exactly.

So you had Kate Bush. Then you had, if you didn't have Kate Bush, you know, you wouldn't have had your Fiona Apples, your Lords, your Billie Eilishes. You would not have. 17 is that magic number for these girls to be like okay now you're ready i mean i want to i want to see someone really you know taylor taylor absolutely taylor 15 though wow when she received public not like a claim i want taylor i was gonna say you know what i was gonna say i was like i i can't wait for the day when a 15-year-old girl comes forward and, you know, breaks the mold and says,

it's okay to be a 15-year-old young white girl teen musical genius. Yeah. But Taylor already did that. She kind of already broke that open, so I guess now

we're just going to need a 13-year-old to come out here and bust it open, although, you know, Ariana Grande. You know who did do that and everyone kind of forgets

is Miss JoJo herself. Oh, JoJo. And Miss Joanna Levesque should be on the list and she's not on the list. She did not make the list, but she really should be on the list. She should be on the list. She did not make the list, but she really should be on the list. She should be on the list. She did not actually make the list, but Jojo,

oh my god. Do you want to know something crazy? Fucked up. I might have talked about this before. When Leave Get Out came out, I thought, because I was the same age as Jojo, and I was like, okay, well she's talented and famous so I guess I guess I have no shot at fame.

I understand that. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, there's only so many spots left for people our age to be famous. Right, exactly. We did not recall at the time being told that we would age. I totally understand that. So I just want to own up to the fact that when JoJo first broke out into the scene, you were jealous.

My first emotion was jealousy. I think the first thing I thought was empowered, because I was like, oh, a 13-year-old can become famous. It can happen for me. And so I thought, okay, well then within the next year or so, I'm going to be giving you everything JoJo's giving you.

That's true. That's fair. I felt empowered. I chose to see one of my peers when they were succeeding. I chose to see one of my peers when they were succeeding. I chose to feel empowered. And you need to go to therapy about this. Yes. The way that you have treated Jojo.

And, you know, now understanding the way that your feelings about her started. Oh, my God. I totally get the way you treat her now. What do you mean? Because you. I didn't lie to put her on the list. You didn't put her on the list. Can I say something about JoJo, though?

This is me canceling JoJo. I best not miss. JoJo normalized going through your significant other's phone. So what? That's an invasion of privacy. No! First of all, is that a felony? It might be.

In some states, girl. In some states, girl. Well, I just want to say you have to do what you need to do when you feel your partner is trifling. I feel this way. I. Would I. I just want to. I feel this way. I. I just want to say

this is a thing that has not escaped my mind and it's a Matt Rodgers original, of course. Matt Rodgers can turn a damn phrase like no one else. We were watching something the other night. Disney Fairytale Wedding. For some reason, like Joey Fatone. Oh, no, no. This couple was in Greece.

Oh, yes. And then I was like, you know what? If Matt Rodgers were Joey Fatone's age circa 2003, 2004, whenever Big Fat Greek Wedding came out, he would have played the Joey Fatone role. I should have played that part. And so Matt Rodgers rises up from his seat and goes, I should have played that role.

I. I. And the emphasis on the I, the second I, powerful. I feel really, and that character was gay, right? I don't think so. I think Joey Fatone comes out as gay.

Yes, I'm telling you he is. He is. Joey Fatone is gay in my Big Fat Greek wedding what are you doing Hans I'm looking at the screen trying to get someone to help

Hans look it up Hans you have to look this up please please and let us know if Joey Fatone was gay in my Big Fat Greek wedding

no we would have we would have we would have remembered it because then we would have thought about Lance and we would have been like oh Joey Fatone came out before Lance Bastard

like no we would have anyway this is the end of number 22 which is kate bush the queen of being a young white girl musical genius hold on hans we're getting an answer from hans we're getting an answer from hans my big crack week joey fatone gay and the second one angelo the comical cousin played by joey fatone comes out as gay to his family and introduces them to his partner okay um huge thank you hans thank you hans i really quick before we move on yeah talk about i know it was important to you to talk about kate bush oh no no we just love kate bush i mean hounds of love one of the best albums of all time running up that hill one of the best songs of all time um you know beginning of quarantine i was i was getting very very sad like we all were and then one of the soothing comforting watches that i had was um a youtube documentary or i should say a documentary on youtube a bootleg

of a documentary on youtube about kate bush damn beautiful beautiful watch i want to say unrelated that the eye the emphasis on matt has such a mastery of phonetics in the english language and really leveraging them and a comedic way. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. And the heart comes, sometimes you show your heart through phonics. Yes. Matt has really, I have a theory now in comedy that Matt helped me excavate, which is the words that and now I. That has such comic power, comedic power.

The blank that that has, I'm'm gonna have to blank on that one why did you do that to me um the word that is so powerful because it just because your brain is trying to fill in the blanks with an infinite amount of unknowns with that you're like what is what that could be anything it literally could be anything it could be a noun or it could be sort of any old thing it It provides just amount. It's really a transaction between you, the reader of that as a word, and the person saying that. Because they're starting a dialogue. They're saying the word that.

And it's up to you to fill in the blanks of what that is. Well, whenever you say the word that in a sentence or if you're trying to get something across and you use the word that, what you are referring to is the comedic thing you are thinking about. So you are referencing what is in your mind's eye without explicitly verbalizing the comedic object.

Yes. Or subject even. Or subject even. And our book is coming out. Can't forget that one. Can't forget that one. Can't forget that one. We really need to do a book. Yeah, we really need to do a book.

We should do a book, The Rules of Culture. And we've been saying this for years. Yes. But now... Will you be allowed to do a book? Yes. Yeah, okay. It just has to be the right thing.

Rules of Culture, there's something... You don't want to do that? It just feels first thought. It's not our book book. It's a coffee table book. Yeah. Just fun. Something to sell.

There's another way to sort of, you know, long form sort of meditate on culture in a way that only you and I can. I mean, this is such a masturbation right now. No, I think it would be easy to put together just the 100 rules of culture. We go through, pick the ones we liked. They're dumb. How is it different from this?

We're already doing it, but in audio form. There's something new. There's something new we can do to monetize. Maximalize. That was number 22. Kate Bush, the queen of being a young white girl musical genius. Let's move on to number 21. Another musician. When

Gwen Stefani was brunette in the cool video. This music video is one of the best music videos that has been put out by a pop star in the modern era. Yes. It was I think the third single, I want to say

What You Waiting For, Hollaback No, no, Hollaback Girl. No, it was Rich Girl first? It was the fourth single What You Waiting For, Hollaback. No, no, Hollaback Girl. No, what you waiting for? Was Rich Girl first? It was the fourth single then. Rich Girl, Hollaback Girl, and What You Waiting For. Not in that order, but those are the first three. It was What You Waiting For, Rich Girl, Hollaback Girl, I believe was the third single.

And it was the biggest song on the album. And then she released Cool. Because often what you'll do is once you have a huge. Talk about the marketing, yes. Once you have. So the way it used to go anyway, and it sometimes goes like this, is the girls would release a huge first single

that they were confident would blow the radio the fuck up. So for example, let's say for this, while Breakaway was the first single off of Breakaway, the album by Kelly Clarkson, that was really more of a promotional single for Princess Diaries, so I don't really count it as the first single from Breakaway, despite that being the title of the album. I think the first single, and this is not the best one-to-one, is Since You've Been Gone

for Breakaway. So we can relate it to LAMB. What You Waiting For was the song they felt was going to be the biggest radio hit. What happens is after you have that big radio hit is you hit them again with the same flavor of song to show what the album is doing. That you are part of the pop conversation that is these types of uptempo hooky songs. So behind these days, the lies for Kelly, rich girl, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, for when Stefani, these hooky songs that are sort of still upbeat and fun. But what happened here with like sort of kelly and gwen it's a little bit different after the big song comes out you want to pull back you have the free reign to do whatever you want yes and that's why when you hear your because of use your thinking of use after

i'm a kitty perry yeah i'm talking about after hot and cold after hot and cold and i kissed a girl came thinking of you. You take your big ballad swing after you've had a couple of hit songs. Oh, and cool swung hard and, and I think it, it was a home run for me. Like quality wise.

I don't know if it was a huge hit. I think it's one of her best songs. I think it's absolutely one of her best songs. I love that. It's about something specific and the video is stunning and the video is evocative. Yes. And I think the biggest visual pull I have from it is that she's so

iconically blonde that like to flash back in time and she's brunette it really does like take you somewhere else. I mean it. I think like for just this stupid simple thing of like and in the past she's brunette and that shows the growth art direction but it does read and it does work and she does perform like her

youth and her brunette hair well yeah and she looks good as a brunette and she looks younger as a brunette oh my god and that's not to say that she doesn't look young she has not remained looking young she looks more distinguished and professional. She's like the Gwen Stefani that we know in the modern day of the video. Because the video is her ex-boyfriend from way back, her first love, comes to see her in her mansion, in her Gwen Stefani mansion in Italy, with his new girlfriend, who is, of course, a brunette. Of course, a brunette. So they sit down and they're talking.

And as they're kind of having a cup of coffee and talking and exchanging words, ideas, thoughts, memories, etc. They flash back to their old days as the song Cool plays and the lyrics go, after all that we've been through, I know we're cool. And it also harkens back to the other item on our list, describing things as cool.

Describing things as cool. And that's the conversation that we're having culturally in this list. Oh yeah. Her on the bed, just kind of rolling around. Iconic. And my favorite part of the song is towards the end. The song is sort of like has resolved. It's sort of the denouement of the song. And she just does the little melodic flourish, I will call it.

It's so genius. Uh, uh, no. Coo. Coo. Uh, uh. I mean, it It's so genius I mean it's She's so good She's actually A really really good vocalist And she's Incredibly singular

Of course I mean look She's not belting on the song It's a ballad But she's not Like she's like It's restrained It's controlled

It's so good You never hear it covered No Probably because Everyone's like It was done right the first time Yeah and also like It feels like it's so good you never hear it covered no probably because everyone's like it was done right the first time yeah and also like it feels like it was so specifically written by her for her that and produced for her that it's like it's not a rangy song at all and i think honestly if you heard other people trying to sing it they would sound like stupid or like an

imposter yeah yeah yeah because it's her song and her moment and that video, I love a music video that takes us on an emotional journey. All of these ballads I'm referring to have amazing music videos. The Thinking of You video

is wonderful starring Matt Dallas. The Because of You video was directed by Vadim Perlman who directed House of Sand and Fog. Okay, Shoray. And Shoray was in that

and Kelly Clarkson wrote The Treatment and that, Shoray. And Shoray was in that. And Kelly Clarkson wrote The Treatment. And that's incredible. Yes. And all these songs have great music videos. And Cool is the best fourth single

ballad video from that era. From that era. And it was a moment. Yes. And the visuals are amazing. The bridge when the two of them

are looking at each other. The editing in the video was incredible. Gwyn each other. The editing in the video was incredible. Gwyneth. Gwen's acting in the video is amazing. At the end of the second verse, girl. Girl. Maybe this is not worth saying, but I feel like the reason why it's not covered. This is such a great observation that you don't hear it covered.

The reason it's not covered is because cool melodically, lyrically, production-wise, perfect match. Perfect intersection. You can't really innovate on it and like, let's do like a let's do like a pared-down orchestral version of Cool. Let's do like a bluesy whatever. It's like, no, it's perfect as it is. There's no reason to fuck with it.

I think it did not get the critical attention that it deserved at the time. I think it's one of those songs with... And listen to it now. Because it holds up. And I believe it did not get the critical attention that it deserved at the time. I think it's one of those songs. And listen to it now. Yes. Because it holds up. And I believe it would be, I believe it would do well for her even today. Like if she put it on an album today.

It would do very well. To be honest with you, like I know LAMB is not on the list, but a lot of the songs on LAMB, except her obvious misses, could work now. Very good. That album was like forward thinking and progressive musically and lyrically in a way that I think we're not really understanding. As an Asian person, I have such complicated feelings about Alien Beach. But you loved that at the time. I loved it at the time.

My most listened to album through high school, especially freshman year, 2004, 2005. It competed with Breakaway for me. Oh, thank you. Yeah. What you're waiting for, I i mean if you think about that like think about that song that song is her having a conversation with her like having an inner battle where she has this saboteur let's say i'm not trying to like invoke a specific person too much but it's her like the voice in her head battling with like her trying to

like tell herself that she can go solo like isn't that crazy yeah and that's to be the first single it's so interesting and also like the writing on that album is very specific and it really feels like a personal journey also how many times have we seen alice in wonderland referenced as a lyrical concept and as a visual concept since that not to say she's the first that did it but yeah the first i can remember like it's such an obvious match like hot music and like the whole fame thing with the house and wonderland of it all so it should feel on the nose but that felt really specific maybe it was the tiktok of it all yeah yeah yeah yeah but that song was really good and most of her album is

really good the song the real thing um bubble pop electric bubble pop electric is the production of bubble pop electric if you can like get a good pair of headphones on and blast bubble pop pop electric like that like just it it like it's car it's carbonated like it like it goes between it's crazy yeah it. It was unreal. And that actually, that lost the Pop Vocal Grammy, album Grammy to Breakaway. And we agree. We agree. But here's the thing.

The vocal, Kelly has the better vocals. Right. But the award is for Pop Vocal album. So, and when you say better vocals, it's like, yes, Kelly a quote-unquote better singer on paper however kelly won the pop female vocal grammy for since you've been gone and so i feel like she had a grammy that year therefore like as an album maybe lamb just because breakaway i don't think holds up as much in retrospect i think it's very pop rock yes of

the moment whereas lamb you can listen to it now and be like this was like a dance pop electric album with interesting concepts she's doing so much she's doing a million different like chameleonic things like pre gaga like she was like oh she can like do like madonna material girl ass like 80s madonna and she can do like you know no doubt scott she could she could do it all and like and she could like do like a pop hook that fits nicely with like a hip-hop bridge or whatever and like just even like bubble pop electric just like being like come on johnny when you're gonna get over here it's like what are you like what are you doing like you're doing so many things and i think they somehow all work together and that's really what pop should be yeah you know what i mean it like she that was a really fun

album and like we're talking about with cool like didn't miss you with the emotional stuff too because this this song is very specifically about her breakup with the guy from No Doubt. Yes. So that was like her first love and how they moved on. If you've ever been in a relationship and it's ended and you can look back on it, really the way that you can have a difficult relationship with anyone and years later, how you realize it's just a sort of moment on the long road that is your many memories together. I love this song. It's beautiful. I'm so glad you included

this and that we're having such an in-depth conversation. I love this song. Let me just shout out a couple more songs off that album. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. Crash. crash baby do me back in your car uh yeah wait and crash it took me real hard oh yeah and the last the last track on a long way to go like a song about a long way to go it's a song about

like race relations it's a song about race relations so so with that can we quickly talk about the harajuku girls of it all because yes she would say that it was that it was an homage it was an appreciation but it really did seem to overtake a lot of visuals on that album and so i'm wondering what are your thoughts on this have you thought about it i've thought about it i don't i haven't i will say i haven't really come to like a conclusive and you won't speak for everyone here you're speaking for yourself so let's just say that um in the way that I feel, like the worst sin you can commit when you are stepping in an appropriative, risky direction is to dehumanize the subject, the cultural subject.

Do I feel like the Harajuku girls were dehumanized? A little bit. Because they were just kind of props and following her around at red carpets. And then they were even in the sweet escape era so i can't tell i really can't tell but that is weighed against her like i think being very visually inspired in a way that like honestly like honestly, like, kind of trivializes Asian bodies in a way that a lot of white people, and not even just, this is not like an actual political term,

but like non-Asian people dehumanize Asian people in a way that's like, oh, like, whatever. It's like, I mean, the way that we casually sort of talk about Asian people and like, in human terms, I feel like that like is something that she probably couldn't compartmentalize and partition out against her actually genuinely going probably visiting tokyo and like going to shinjuku going to harajuku going to wherever and being like oh wow i love this counterculture and wanting to incorporate it in her aesthetic i think that it's i agree. And it's interesting how you can get so much right in the pursuit of art and expression.

Yes. And then on this while getting so much right, you can still get some things wrong. Yes. And I think it's actually a really interesting example. Yes. yes of um looking back and that was the white privilege is assuming this can be something that i try on like a costume like i'm trying on the sort of 50s thing in the bubble pop electric thing like she genuinely felt it was a viable aesthetic choice for her yes which just speaks to the uh sort of blindness to privilege which would never be made now no so it's i think that the cultural

conversation around lamb is kind of we're a little nervous to talk about it because of that right but let's not be nervous to talk about it let's talk about the fact that like that is something that would not be done now because we know better and we're we're actually our eyes are open to how this subjugates people yes but also you know that album is great. And this is the other piece of it. There's one coin that's about sort of assimilation that I think I related to when this album came out, which was, wow, Gwen Stefani is saying how cool Asian culture is.

I feel cool. But that is sort of this assimilationist thought of like, a white person has to be like- Has to say I'm cool to be cool. Has to say I'm cool to be cool. Has to say I'm cool to be cool. But then the flip side of that is, I mean, any assimilationist thought is that one racial group can be developed to be more like another. And I feel like on the other side of that, like Gwen Stefani is sort of like, in a way,

like what I was telling myself back then was like, no, but she wants this. Like she wants this aesthetic and she's actually saying that we don't need to be developed and that the way that like we as east asian people are is like fine the way it is so like there's it's so complicated i mean her lyrics are literally you got the wicked style i love the way that you are i am your biggest fan yeah so but and it's it's so it's like is she saying that or? Or is she acting the role of a... We'd have to listen again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think it's as simple as cancel that album.

You know what I mean? Totally. Which is, I think, a good example of a lot of the way things get talked about now. Yes, that you can hold opposing thoughts concurrently and appreciate a work while also critiquing it for its many faults. And we... and appreciate a work while also critiquing it for its many faults.

And we, we, that was number 21 when Gwen Stefani was brunette in the cool video. So that was appropriation of her of brunettes, famously a blonde. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us?

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OK, so number 20. Talk about music videos. Kelly Preston and She Will Be Loved video serving for the one and only time. Talk about this. This is huge for you. She was amazing. And this is exactly what I'm talking about. The only time she was amazing.

The only time Kelly Preston has been a star. Since Jerry McGuire. Well well I don't even I'm not even giving her that because you can't watch this video and tell me she is not everything and more

and this is exactly the same kind of thing which is music videos to ballads that elevate the moment yes this was such a bop

on Songs About Jane a great album yes when Maroon 5 first came out oh my god I was obsessed with this album talk about this love harder to breathe she will be loved sunday morning sunday morning everything on that album the sun there's so much good shit on there back when they were like rock rock pop

rock like light rock like alternative pop like whatever they were the way i said rock they were rock discuss back when maroon 5 was rock it's actually rule of culture number 30 back when maroon five was rock rock rock when adam levine was a rocker talk about kelly um talk about kelly preston she was performing

her ass off in this yeah she knew exactly the assignment which is to be capital t capital m that milf yes and she was that and honestly serving at the end during the montage when she realizes that adam levine has chosen her daughter over her when she slaps her husband's newspaper and runs towards the fountain and is like like harried rich white woman acting and then when adam levine runs to her you're like you bet your

ass yeah and then that close of the video with all three of their eyes. Yes. Kelly Preston served. Kelly Preston. Capital T, capital M, that MILF, even though the M is already capitalized no matter what. Is MILF in it? It's an acronym, bitch. Oh, shit.

It's an acronym. Well, we'd have to ask Ms. Webster. Ms. John Cho, who popularized the term in American Pie. Well, well. John Cho did not make the list. John Cho did not make the list. John Cho did not make the list. Despite being the perennial Asian hunk. Yeah, he's such a hunk.

And I, let me tell you. Did you see Searching? It's too scary for me, Bowen. There's actually, it's not that scary. The actual disturbing moment is when he thinks that his daughter has been fucking his brother. But it's a fake out there's a moment where you're like where he thinks that his daughter ran away to go fuck yeah her uncle and and and i remember i think i saw it with joel or someone but i turning to joel and i was like this is fucked up beyond anything and then it's a fake and you're like

oh thank god did you think the movie was really going there yes and i was like this i'm not comfortable with. And if this isn't, if there's an incest plot line here, like I don't. Regardless of any plot turns, it did not make the list. Although I'm just missing the list was Debra messing in searching.

Yes. Playing a cop. Playing a cop who there's a spoiler. There's a twist. But let's just say all cops are bad. Bad. Bad. Best say all cops are bad bad bad best best all cops are best especially miss deborah messing in searching let's keep going we don't we don't really agree with her let's keep going um number 19 this is huge iconic nikki minaj's bossed up monologue can you kind of just inform the readers about what this is? Because this is educational. A film crew had been following Nicki Minaj to film a documentary that was going to be on MTV, I believe, during the Pink Friday era.

So right as she was sort of becoming Nicki Minaj, post-mixtapes, post-Monsterverse. Right on the brink of A-list. She had arrived at a photo shoot. The crafty spread was not to her liking and it included such things as pickle juice, which... Sliced pickles on a board. Sliced pickles on a board, but she specifically references the brine, like pickle juice.

Well, she goes on to say, if I had accepted the pickle juice, I would be drinking pickle juice right now. So basically what happens here is she's talking about how she recently has stormed off of a photo shoot. Yes. And I guess it made some headlines.

And she said, I stormed off a photo shoot because when I got there, it was cheap and it was like sliced pickles on a board and nothing. And I can't imagine ever being treated like that. If I were a man, because she said she knows from watching little wayne because she came up under wayne which she says she says i came up under wayne and wayne has his way of doing things and he says like i'm gonna get the things the way i want them and while i'm

asking i'm gonna blow this weed in your face all day and it's acceptable because he's a man meanwhile a woman is expected to show up wherever they're asked to be, deal with the situation, and be grateful at all times. Yes. So what she's really doing in the year of our Lord, I'm gonna guess 2010,

Yes, 2011. is saying the sexism in the industry and all over the place is crazy and the double standard is wild. And when a woman speaks out of turn, she is,

what's the word she uses? Assertive. When a woman is assertive, she's a's the word she uses assertive woman is assertive she's a bitch when a man is assertive he's a boss he's a boss he's bossed up he's bossed up ain't a negative connotation behind being bossed up but lots of negative connotation behind being a bitch and then she says donald trump can say you're fired why can't mar't Martha Stewart run her company and be the same way? Now, I don't know if this is a one-to-one that Nikki is doing. That's not the best. But I will say she was a seer and that she was knowing that Donald Trump was doing whatever the fuck.

She's not wrong. And everyone bowed down. Yes. And mind you, this is five years before we heard he was going to run for president of the United States of America. Right, right, right. But she is so energetic and correct. And clear about her expression. Yeah.

You should all Google it because or YouTube it or whatever, because it's a really she just is so great. That's her mission statement right there. She's like, I'm going to be bossed up and it's not going to be a gendered connotation. Like I had i accepted the pickle juice i'd be drinking pickle juice right now huge yeah and i don't think i think what she's saying is she'd rather not drink pickle juice right um you know it's a little tougher let's talk about her now sure it's a little i don't really listen to queen radio me neither that's more her sort of stream of consciousness

like really kind of being a little just just just just just just like talking like expressing nikki brain onto an audio format and you're just kind of it's maximalist i wish she didn't feel she had to do that i feel like she i will always follow her i will always love yeah i don't i i don't judge or i'm not a detractor to nikki i'm a nikki barb for life i'm a barb for life uh i feel like i feel like nikki is finding her way back i hope so i hope so and i hope that like this weird that uh this weird thing people have with oh, she's done now because there's other younger people that are in her like specific lane, quote unquote, that are going to take a spot away from her because they're all so different. This is such a boring conversation almost to have because obviously they are. And if you're still out there being like, well, Megan, the stallion and Cardi B are coming for Nikki spot. You are so dumb.

So dumb. Because we should have them all. No, but, and Nikki, I think is doing a better job now. I mean, Cardi's a different story,

but I mean, she has, she's collabed with Megan. She's collabed with Doja Cat and, and Doja, Doja's cat's a whole different story. Definitely didn't make the list. Doja.

No, Doja was not on the list. Unfortunately, Doja. And weirdly enough, Cardi's not on the list. And it's not against Cardi. No, no, no, no, no, no. And we're not saying by saying we're Barb's that we're not Cardi B stans.

We love Cardi and very important. But the bossed up moment is a moment. The bossed up moment is a moment and we can't forget. And another moment, which is number 18 on our list, is Barbara Cook Kennedy Center Honors Performance. She did not perform, obviously. She was on the balcony. No, she was being honored.

She was being honored. By the women of Broadway, which include Laura Osnes, Ms. Kelly O'Hara, Ms. Rebecca Luker, Ms. Sutton Foster, Ms. Glenn Close, Ms. Audra McDonald, Ms. Patti LuPone. All the ladies got together to honor Barbara Cook, who was really one of the muses of Sondheim for her Kennedy Center Honors achievement. And it was an absolute slay from top to bottom. What a career.

What a career. What a career and what a way to get honored by all of the girls. The girls. And they came out one by one and sang their songs. Glenn Close sang Losing My Mind from Follies, and it was just... Glenn Close actually slayed. It was unbelievable. Then Sutton came out with her Everybody Says Don't,

the pelvic floor of doom. Literally, sound shooting through her top of her head. Unbelievable. Patti LuPone, come rain or come shine. You've never experienced a performer like this. You've never experienced a performer like this. But the entire time, Barbara Cook just sitting up on that damn balcony. Next to Meryl Streep.

Next to Meryl Streep. Who's living. Meryl's living. But Barbara, from what I remember, Barbara is just chill as hell just being like, yeah, okay. She's soaking it in. She's just soaking it in, but she's, like, she's like i mean i did that she's like i did that my favorite thing is to watch people watch their kennedy sonner honors happen yeah i love it and it's just so great and barbara cook recently passed away and she's she's just one of the

greats and you know she's one of the greats when all of the greats show up, want to show up and never forget that Audra McDonald ended the performance with make your garden grow. It was unbelievable. Gorgeous. All the ladies. That was a good year. That was Merrill,

Barbara, and I think yo-yo ma. I believe yo-yo ma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good year. And I think there was someone else too,

but I'm, I'm, I'm losing it, but there was someone else up there that was important. But yeah, back in the day when Kennedy Center Honors was a thing that we were looking forward to because the president would be there. Let's keep going.

Number 17 is a moment. It is Sandra Oh's Unbearable and You Took a Piece of Me monologues in Grey's Anatomy. She had many, but these two rise above. You picked these out actually, and I'm glad you did and i agree with you you chose these two monologues over her how do you keep your edge sir because i had it yeah season two finale of gray's anatomy which we already covered but unbearable is the single

tier i think you took a piece of me is also single tier unbearable is the monologue that she gives when she has to the board is asking at the hospital is asking for her sexual history because there's an sti situation at the hospital and she has to sort of admit that she's got a sexual history with burke yes um and she submits it and and they they say we understand this is hard for you. And she, this is difficult for you. This is difficult for you.

And then she kind of whips around and serves this monologue about how it's not difficult. What's actually difficult is the reality of her situation. And she details what she's going through in a classic Shonda over share monologue. The other characters are probably like, literally, if this was real life,

the other characters would be like, this is so inappropriate. It's so inappropriate for you to do what you're doing. But what we get instead is that monologue where she essentially lays into them and says, it's not difficult. It's unbearable. I was his hand.

Now I'm a ghost. And I do not wish him well. And I do not wish him well. And I do not wish him well. That's how it ends. Oh my God. Yeah, because he's gone at that time. Because he's gone.

He's gone. And he's also abandoned her. Yes. Wow. And she really, talk about giving a dropped in fucking emotional despair monologue. The moment is,

she sheds the single tear, classic Sandra, but then she wipes it away and goes, excuse me. Huge. And then we have to talk about the other one which is

I was the unseen hand to his brilliance excuse me oh and then and then I think it's like a couple seasons later

maybe the next season whatever season six season seven basically there is a scene where Sandra as

Christina Yang yep is having sex with her new boyfriend, Owen in the on-call room. And he tries to get her to ignore a page. Yes. That's calling her to a surgery,

a cardiac surgery, which she was just getting back into because Owen brought Teddy in to be her mentor. And so Christina is sort of reanimated at the hospital owen tells her to stay so they can keep fucking and then sandra later on realizes that owen was sort of holding her back basically anything basically she was the character that always put her passion first and her passion was surgery and that was what she lived for that was her lifeblood so

she's had this complicated relationship with Preston Burke and then Owen tries to get her to put him and them before pursuing her career and so she's ornery with him for hours after that and then later on they get back to their apartment

and she says, you were trying to screw me into submission. And he was like, I was just trying to connect. And then she drops in and she tells him what's really on her mind, which is that the Burke situation,

the Burke relationship, she feels she lost a part of herself because she gave so much to the relationship. And it's also the first time she says I love you to Owen. She says I love you. I love you more than Burke. I love you.

When you asked me to ignore Teddy's page, you took a piece of me. Mm-hmm. That can never happen again!

It was, it's so good. And she's just saying, she's declaring, she's like, I love you. I want this relationship to work, but I love me more and I love what I love more. And you will never take me away from my passion and what makes me me.

And that is the growth. And that is the character of Christina Yang taking her moment. The fact that she was emulous and remains emulous. Remains emulous. And we love Jodie Comer. We love Jodie. And we love Ms. Claire Foy. So it's just tough. It's tough. But the fact of the matter is

she should have an Emmy for playing Christina Yang. She should have an Emmy for playing Christina Yang. It's ridiculous. Even Eve Palastri, why not? I feel that I understand in seeing the Emmy losses that they've been for the last two years, I understand them. There's several years where like Blythe Danner won,

which I'm like not understanding. I don't understand Catherine Heigl winning an Emmy over Sandra. Oh, and I love Catherine. We love Catherine Heigl in that role. This was after season three. And I feel like even, even Christina had a better storyline in season three.

Oh, season three was Colin Marlroes of the Burke thing. Yes. And so like, basically, Catherine Heigl is notable on Grey's Anatomy for the end of season two. Yes. The Denny relationship,

and most notably her performance in the finale in the last few episodes. She was driven insane because she thought she was going to lose this patient that she fell in love with. She had, of iconic what about me monologue which was a little overwrought but yeah it got the audience to feel certain things like sandra would never go that much well she certainly went pretty big but it felt better um i don't even think sandra's i mean somebody's to date me i was gonna bring up somebody to date me but that's like for some reason funny. And like, I don't know. It's like,

it's like fully intentional. Like I think Catherine Heigl, if you would ask her, like she fully lost, she was not in control when she goes, I will never forgive you for dying. No, for making me love you. I don't know.

It worked for me. Like, I remember like when I was watching it, it was really working for me. And my dad said, she's really over acting that's i agree with rich and i was like i don't see it that way i don't know i don't know what it was speaking to me but anyway she wins the emmy for season three when really they were giving it to her for that

and for being a new movie star and knocked up which is what they were doing they were anointing her and sandra meanwhile was sitting there quietly doing work. That was Emmy caliber for a decade. Well, after she needed to be. Sandra's kind of inspiring me now to not ever watch my own stuff again. She doesn't watch her own stuff. This,

I told you this, right? When I, the first time I met her at golden clothes, she talks to me about like, Oh my God, the lip sync was, was so great.

And she was like, um, you know i had never even heard myself back in that scene until i saw you doing it wow i told you this i think yeah now i'm remembering and she and she like yeah she did say that she was talking about how she and shonda and the writers sort of like sparred a bit because sandra like was she was like i don't think christina would ever say this way. And the writers were like, no. And then she was like, and Shonda, like God bless her,

God love her, but Shonda, like it has to be word perfect when you're delivering her lines. And Sandra was like, that was one of the hardest days of my entire time at Grey's for that, like doing that monologue because I had so many emotions around it. And she was

like, but I never watched it I saw you do it again and like I was like oh I was like okay now I like have it I'm at peace with that day wow she's like I like I she's like if that if that monologue like meant like whatever this oh my god I don't mean for this to sound um um I'm not I I'm not I don't mean to like self-aggrandize no I think it's an amazing insight into the way actors yes yes and it like taught me a lot about whatever acting but she was like if it meant if it like popped that much basically like for you to do it and like for you to be inspired to do it like then that means that like i did my job i mean here's what i'll say she rarely ever if ever missed a beat for me on that show that character is iconic like and I just want to

say before we move on to the next one I just and we referenced before it when we talked about Carrie Bradshaw monologues put some respect on Ellen Pompeo's name yes because she has been doing that show for it's going to be almost 20 years and perfect

in the role and also did all these monologues the same way and carried so much of that show through thick and thin and always makes it look easy yes what did not make the list unfortunately what I think is an honorable mention is

Ellen Pompeo the moment when Ellen Pompeo was on a panel with Gabrielle Union and Emma Roberts I'm not seeing enough color and I didn't see enough color when I walked in was on a panel with. Gabrielle Union. And Emma Roberts. I'm not seeing enough color. I'm not seeing enough color. And I didn't see enough color when I walked in. And Gabrielle Union

and Gina just looking at each other being like, oh, okay. Ellen's going there. And thank God, that is allyship in action. And also,

not for nothing, but the fact that Gina was there being like, yes, good job, L. I want to say the N word actually years later um okay moving on number 16 number 16 i mean who could forget who could forget it is titanic fever and it was fever titanic was a cultural moment to rival some of the biggest cultural

moments we've ever been through i mean this was all encompassing from music to film to tv specials constantly on about it to the worlds of tabloid that it created around Leo and Kate. Like, unbelievable. History and appreciation for history. Yes, and it also really, I mean, how many Titanic exhibits sprouted up?

I mean, I went to several of them. Like, I became obsessed with the Titanic. Obsessed. My first CD ever. I mean, I say my first album was spice world i was with spice i'm sorry but um first first cd purchase my parents buying me the titanic score i mean from the score to the visuals to the over bloated romance to kate winslet turning around in that fucking hat and making her like not screen debut, but arrival star moment.

Yes. Leo being Leo that like gorgeous blonde hair. He had like, Oh my God. Billy Zane flipping over the table. Billy Zane being too much. Kathy Bates slaying her little one liners. Miss thing.

Uh, uh, Miss Fabrizio. Yeah. Oh, being hot and crushed by a pylon. And then also the scene with the mother and Rose. We're women.

Our choices are very easy. You want to see me working because I seem stressed? I mean, I'm selfish. Why are you so selfish? I'm selfish. I mean, a terribly written movie. i think yes and no like in terms of like it getting the broad strokes across it certainly did yeah yeah change anything about it like

probably not you mean did we do it no um but then they did fuck like right after um trembling oh god i mean i'll be all right hate winslet and leo together we have it down there we have it down there i mean just titanic fever my heart will go on being the moment being the moment and you know the the final shot of just the the black and white photos or, the final shot of just the black and white photos. Or no, the final shot is of the boat underwater. Honestly, you will still be emotionally affected by the film. That's true. I'll give it that.

It'll sneak on television every now and then and you'll watch it and you'll be, you will watch the whole thing. Oh, I mean, you know, it was on VH1 after Drag Race for, I would say, seven weeks in a row. Yeah. It was. Was it on every week? It was on for some reason like every week season 12 of Drag Race. Honestly, it's probably because it's the only way they can get them to like keep watching after that.

You're not going to strap in for four hours. I did. Okay. Okay, girl. Alright. Let's keep going. Anyway, Titanic Fever was a fever, but it's not as big of a cultural moment as number 15. Number 15. This is what I replaced Christina Ricci with. Let me just say that up top.

And I think it's a deserving spot. It's a deserving substitution. Titanic not as impactful as AOC dancing on a roof in college. AOC's dancing is what gets her on the list. It's not just AOC's dancing. It's the backfiring from the right for being like, at her being so whatever i guess promiscuous it truly did show that no matter what she did she we would all love her her ire and we would she is our champion she is our champion and like that and then there was like a fun week of memes where like you know you do cut to the feeling

overlaid on aoc dancing and yes you can do any song and have AOC just dancing, writhing around the wall, on the roof. Oh my God, I love her. Doing the little grapevine-y thing. I don't know, it's not a grapevine, but she like does a little dance move. Well, she's a fun person who seems like, and I say this in the most like,

in a respectful, like positive way. She is so attractive in that when she is around, you a respectful, like, positive way. She is so attractive in that when she is around, you can't help but look at her. Like, she has a star quality. She has a positive, she carries the light. She carries the light. And so when that's happening,

it's like a lot of people are gonna be offended by that. And a lot of, especially when it comes in a package that they don't know what to do with. I think that, and I watched Knock Down the House recently, and it's like, there was no way that anyone that's in a Trump universe would know how to deal with an incredibly smart, incredibly passionate, on the right side of issues, charismatic, young Latina woman who is speaking for a generation and beyond and she really is the voice of a generation she's talking about issues in terms of moral clarity like in a

way that we can all sort of get behind it because we're like okay well i guess this is the right thing like you know like yeah and it's not the right thing to like use religious purity as like a weapon against policy it's like this so so you know like a week ago like back when the house uh convened again she was on something yeah like she sort of like dismantled the idea that like religious purity as like this like moral compass is like is so fucked up and like not valid at all i'm probably misquoting and paraphrasing wrongly but like she can speak on such a on such a clear level like even like when she just got when she just won her primary a couple years ago a few years ago and she was on colbert like the next day and she just like inexperienced you could technically say at the

time but she spoke so clearly about things and everyone in the audience is on board and you're like whoa it's because she is not pretending to speak for or as anyone that she's not exactly and so when she's asked questions about what she wants done despite quote-unquote inexperience and quote-unquote youth that's not a part of the way she views the world or needs to view the world because she is speaking for what's right yes she and there's an amazing scene in the beginning of knock down the house where she's talking about getting ready in terms of readying her appearance yeah yes you brought this up i did bring this up yeah and so it's incredible and i really think that if you have a problem with AOC, it's something you have to deal with inside. Oh.

Because she is the future. I do believe that she will be a political voice that we look to for the next 50 years. For our lifetime. Yes. I think that she'll be relevant for the rest of our lifetime depending on if she goes into the Senate, depending on if she continues in the House,

depending on if she does eventually make a presidential run at some point. Regardless, she is going to be someone who is incredibly important. And I think that that's also going to make it pretty difficult for her. Of course. But I think she's up to it. Right now, she's funneling a lot of thoughts. We're looking to her just to

get a sense of like how to think about issues. And the amount of pressure she must be under. Yes, and I've yet to see Knock Down the House, but you and Sudi talking about the last, one of the final moments is. Oh yeah, don't give it away. Don't give it away. It's her dad saying something to her before he passes away.

I said to say that it's an unbelievable moment that is really rewarding if you watch the movie. Yes. And learn more about her story than I think probably a lot of people know. Yes, yes, yes. And I'll just say, I'll put this into the ether on the podcast. Would love to have her as a guest. Would love to have her as a guest. The ask is out.

Should we say that? Let's just say the ask is out. Let's put the pressure on. Okay. We love AOC. We love her as a guest. And she is the moment. Her dancing on the roof in college is the moment.

Let's move on to number- Speaking of dancing. Oh my God. Number 14. When Catherine Zeta-Jones said, I love my life. In all that jazz. I mean.

The crest of that song. The peak. Just the sort of passionate, happy rage. Yes. That is like in that performance. She knows she's about to get arrested. Ugh. And it's a cry. It's her last cry as a free woman.

Yes. And let's not forget the lyric that precedes this. Oh, I'm no one's wife, but I love my life and all. It's so good. I mean, like, talk about a knockout. Like, no question about it. Who else could have done that? She deserved the Oscar because no one else could have done it as well as she did.

I mean, I don't think there's anything more to say here. In a movie where Renee Zellweger is the lead actress and absolutely slaying the image you leave with is still Catherine Zeta-Jones and that's with

that Renee performance in it which is culture didn't make the list though. I think Catherine's doing more work. I mean like between that and Sublock Tango

and I Can't Do It Alone. She's doing so much. It's just she's doing a lot but iflock Tango and I Can't Do It Alone. She's doing so much. It's just. She's doing a lot. But if you. And Joel and I recently talked about this on another podcast. I mean Renee is the lead.

Nathaniel Rogers' podcast. Renee is the flat out lead. Of course. And has the most to do. The reason why Catherine Zeta-Jones is so iconic is because she almost makes you think they're doing equal stuff. But they literally aren't. Catherine is on another... I think she knew this was going to be the role

that defined her legacy. Wow. And it did. And you're right. I would say. Absolutely. I mean, okay, so done. Done.

Now, number 13. Another movie moment. Beyonce and Ali Larder's fight in Obsessed. Fight choreo achievement. Fight choreo achievement. A chandelier gets dropped. I mean, one thing we have to say is a chandelier gets dropped. That's the end of the fight.

The end of the fight is a chandelier dropped and crushes Ali Larder. But let's talk about the moments preceding. And you have to put some respect on Ali Larder's name because she commits to this movie yes all the way and it is you know not good right but she she is so crazy in the movie and so good and she is so believing in her insanity yes that when she gets to the end of this movie you think maybe she is gonna kill she wants. She wants to kill Beyonce. But Beyonce. No, no, no. I mean. Is it Beyonce pushes Allie Larder off the banister, down the stairs?

What happens is, Beyonce gets home and sees Allie Larder in the jersey of her husband, Idris Elba. Right. And she says, did you not get my message? Because Beyonce has left a nasty message about leaving my family alone. And Allie's so crazy that Beyonce says, I'm going to let the police deal with you.

And shortly thereafter, there's the moment where Ally says, wait. And she goes, don't touch me. Yes. That's Beyonce. It's Beyonce's best acting moment of her career. Don't touch me. Seconded by her and Dreamgirls. Curtis, let me dream girls curtis let me have your child yeah okay but don't don't touch me is her number one and they then break out into a huge fight where

beyonce calls ali lauder a bitch times. The inversion of a black person calling the police on a white woman. Threatening to call the police on a white woman. Well, the police couldn't get anything done! Well, the police couldn't get... Christine Lottie, the detective, she could get nothing done. She was the biggest idiot in film. Might as well be Debra Messing in Searching an Idiot

Cop. Might as well. But Beyonce threatening the cops. Fumbling. The cops could not deal with Ali Larder in New Jersey being psychotic well they did not get the chance because beyonce said i'm absolutely gonna handle this myself and ended up with ali larder vomiting through an attic a barely finished attic smashing into a coffee table in a very enough jenn moment. Yes. And was crushed by a chandelier as Beyonce goes, oh God. Yeah, Beyonce. You could tell Beyonce's character was a little shocked. Surprised that they did that.

That it got that far. That it got that far. And then the best is when Beyonce runs out covered in blood and like her hair tousled. Tousled. Tousled. Christine Lottie as the detective finally gets to the house and goes, what happened? And Beyonce goes, I think you know what happened.

And then I'm thinking like, I mean, she doesn't know what happened. No, she's an idiot. But she ran in the house and we can assume that she found out. And then it ends on Beyonce and Idris Elba hugging and it ends on the ugliest freeze frame in history. I can't believe Beyonce and EP on the project okayed it.

I actually think there's another acting moment in Obsessed that Beyonce does not get credit for, which is Idris Elba. They get in a fight. Idris Elba says, Where do you suggest I go? And Beyonce says, To hell! But until then, I suggest the four seasons.

I suggest maybe the four seasons. Amazing acting. Beyonce, Nose Carter, Nala, and the Lion King. Black is King, the upcoming visual album. Actress.

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not fix when he was president don't miss this in-depth interview with charlemagne the god and vice president kamala harris only on the breakfast club catch the full interview now on the black effect podcast network iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts now moving on speaking of performers performers this is number 12 brandy siobhan massey's defying gravity final riff and all the alphabets who have attempted this final riff we have to respect women putting their lives on the line in order to serve entertainment and this is war this is playing alphabet is war and that's a rule of culture number 49 playing alphabet is war and war against the the the wires the suspension wires i

mean because of the vocal health i know because of the pressures because of needing to go up into the air yes yes yes mean, magic on stage. Talk about green paint being applied every single day. You can't be comfortable. Come on. It's war. It's theatrical war. Theatrical war.

And Brandi Chavon Massey is a good soldier. Because she went out there and ripped her throat in half at the end of act one. Google it, bitch. It never loses its impact. You watch it's it never loses its impact you watch every time and you feel the same way every time it's remarkable it is it i can only imagine if i was there what i would do and i don't think i would have survived being there live do we do we try it no no okay we don't try we have to let just google you know what we're gonna put it into the episode later here is brandy chavon massey's final riff in defying gravity I'm gonna bring me down

I have been through the worst I've never been free I've never seen change I've never been free So now you know. Incredible. Incredible. And number 12 even feels low for me. Well, you know, the rest of the list is pretty good.

It's an amazing list. Let's keep going. But wow. And we just want to say respect to every woman who has stepped up there. And respect to the original Adina. Adina. Because she set a bar. Adina.

Stephanie J. Block. Oh my God. Anna Gosteyer. Anna Gosteyer. Nicole Parker. Yes, all the women. All the women. Shoshana Bean.

Shoshana Bean. Come on. I mean, Eden Espinosa. Eden Espinosa. I mean, put some respect on these names. These women went to war They went to war Let's keep going

This is number 11 When Parv came on Las Culturistas We're starting to be self indulgent This was a moment of culture We built that moment up Can you believe we made it happen Thank you readers for going on that journey with us We know a lot of people started to watch Survivor because we would not shut the fuck up about it.

We hope you enjoy it. And you know Survivor is going through its own racial reckoning right now. There's a black survivor sort of group that is trying to get a meeting with CBS executives and we support their movement 100%. Oh absolutely. We need every season to feel like Cook Islands without the battling of the races of it all. Because what that season did was it not only introduced us to Parv and so many amazing characters in the franchise. But also what it did was it was a diverse cast. It was a diverse cast.

Now, they incentivized that in terms of the entertainment and the viewing in a way that you could say is harmful. Yes. And I think a lot of the contestants thought it was harmful. I recently watched an interview with Yule and he said when he found out what it was, he almost left. Yes. And he obviously did not leave

because, spoiler alert, he wins in one of the most dominant games played. Amazing player. He was going up against one of the best players ever, which is Ozzy. Oh, Ozzy. And Parvati before she realized her power. Yes.

But the moment of parv sort of becoming what she became yes and stepping into raising your chin i i felt so it was so much fun to watch her in this quarantine and she really did you know how sometimes like in your mind's eye you have have a stand in for yourself. Oh my God. For me, that was par for the first month and a half of quarantine. I was just like,

par is a spiritual beacon for me. Wow. She's amazing on the show. I love watching her. She's a surrogate for you. She's making me laugh. She's making me feel triumphant when, and she's winning and I love it.

She's having fun. She's flirting. Being like, like a different kind of character we've seen on the show and honestly survivor kept me sane in the beginning of quarantine and the best part of watching survivor was watching parv and when parv when we put out the ask to parv we were like this is maybe not gonna happen because we view her as a celeb deity and then she came on and it was a moment was so so wonderful so charismatic you know i there was a moment several moments throughout the recording i remember very clearly

vividly in that damn zoom she but she was able to transcend the zoom and i was like she's a star and we think that we're just so proud of that moment and getting her on and that all the readers did their homework. Thank you, readers. That was a moment for the pod and it was a moment for the culture by extension. Who do you want to take to the end? To four? Girls. I mean, just an amazing moment.

Watch it. Watch. Honestly, respect Cook Islands, but watch Micronesia again. Micronesia is the shit. And Heroes vs. Villains was like camp, but also great. And this one's for you. And this one's for you. Very good.

This is for you, Jerry. And this is for you. Okay, so moving on to number 10, something we talked about with Parv. Yes, number 10. Number 10 is Mariah. Mononym. We're not even saying the last name mariah mariah and mariah's appeared a couple times throughout this list but mariah deserves her

own spot talk about mariah i'm gonna give the floor to you you are the perennial mariah expert mariah is the best of all time she's one of the best pop songwriters of all time she's one of the most prolific she's one of the best singers of all time obviously she's one of the best um pop culture characters of all time she is she is a pop culture character the gift that keeps on giving she's one of the most shrewd business women in pop music to create a christmas to really honestly be synonymous with christmas and create a christmas empire to create a seasonal empire like that she is one of the best ever she never is boring never a dull moment with mariah and the lambs i i stand with you i represent you one of the best moments of the past few years for me was going down to yes brooklyn and being there when she was interviewed about her amazing career

as a songwriter when caution came out caution is an underrated album is so great shame on the grammys for not including it in the best album of the year category when it was rightfully nominated. That's a controversy I do not love. Also, the Grammys way under reward, Mariah. Oh, of course. Butterfly, one of the best albums of all time. Emancipation of Mimi, one of the best albums of all time.

My Name is Mariah, the Elusive Chantos, one of the best album titles of all time. I mean, yeah, talk about long titles being culture. That's the one right there. That titles of all time. I mean, yeah, talk about like long titles being culture. That's the one right there. That's the one. I gotta say, I might be an anomaly as a, I'm not gonna, I don't,

if I call myself a lamb, I feel like that. You can call yourself a lamb. I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge that lambs do. I love Mariah. I don't know that I have immersed myself i mean you love you're a scholar on mariah i'm a lamb lamb yes you're in the lamily i i am that little boy that was in my room listening to all mariah and i've said it on this podcast but when i was in third grade we had to do free writing and um instead of doing free writing i would just

write down all the lyrics to mariah songs yes and my teacher thought they were my work so she called a meeting with me and she was like your poetry is so amazing and then i looked at it and it was like literally lyrics from the song breakdown by mariah carey and the roof by mariah carey all like very adult themed things like and her vocabulary is famously a little bit advanced for pop music. So to think that my third grade teacher thought that me an eight year old was capable of that. Mr. and Mrs. Rogers, I just wanted to have a meeting

with you. Matt is using the word nonchalantly. Indefinitely. Yeah. I'm telling you the effect that Mariah had on me, I think says a lot. Says a lot. I just really quickly wanted to say, emotions.

Oh. I think the... You don't hear it covered. You don't hear it covered. How could you? I wasn't even talking about the single. I was talking about the album as a whole. I mean...

Her MTV Unplugged. Her iconic cover of I'll be there i mean another one you don't hear covered and you rarely hear mariah songs covered you don't see a lot of girls out here singing my all no oh no like why would they ever attempt to sing my all not for nothing but like oh i'm sorry

i i actually accidentally played the song i had to i had to go and look up the the title of the song i'd want to go and look up the title of the song, I didn't want to get it wrong, to be around you. From emotions. More and more and more.

There are so many songs that we don't even talk about, such as All I Ever Wanted, which is one of her songs from her first album. Yes. Or no, maybe that's her music box. But also, for every tacky quote unquote song she has, like Hero, understand and respect that those songs have a place absolutely hero is on the nose and that's

another song you don't hear covered because it might be a little on the nose but it touches people touches people you're right i'm i can't say enough. Even her failure, her biggest failure, Glitter, is a culture moment. A culture moment that is tied to one of the worst tragedies in American history. And stars Padma Lakshmi. And that's, what else can we say about that? Silk. Thank you. Let's move on forward.

We're in the top ten. We're in the top ten. Number nine. Marion Cotillard's Oscar speech. The only one you can really sort of remember on a word for word level. Can you do it? Thank you, life.

Thank you, love. And it is true there is some angels in this city. Thank you so, so much. Olivia, what you did to me. You really rocked my life. Oh, I really am speechless now.

And her English has only improved. Oh, I mean, it was the most charming moment ever. And also she looked stunning and she was so surprised to win for La Vie en Rose. One of the great best actress wins. I was so shocked the Academy went there, but they did and they created a star

and they also created a public 9-11 truther. Thank you. Now to move on to what I think is, I think the best acting performance on the list. Oh my God. Yeah. This is number eight. This is Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy.

You had recently seen Batman and Robin. It hasn't been since the theater that had recently seen Batman and Robin. It hasn't been since the theater that I've seen Batman and Robin. I have such an interesting, protected relationship with that film because I love it so much. What's happening in this film and in her performance

is she has created a character, which is Mae West meets Eartha Kitt meets Jessica Rabbit and has created something that fits so well into the assignment she was given and the tone of the movie which is

over the top cartoon femme fatale craziness. Most of her lines for the first half of the movie are by herself. She sells it completely. She does an iconic villain origin scene. Where she gets crushed.

The shelves get... She becomes poison ivy because a bunch of liquids get sort of shattered over her. Basically, she is sunken into the ground and liquids and venomous snakes and all sorts of poisons and toxins get sort of seeped into her body and bring her to life we're to assume but she goes from like crazy botanist to like eco-terrorist yes unclear why if she wants to save all the plants in the world she burns down uh like a sort of lab in the middle of the forest yeah um or the jungle or wherever she is. But it doesn't really matter because she's so gopher broke. All of her lines are amazing, including the number one.

As I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug, this is a one-woman show. And like, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like the framing on this is like skewed diagonal. I don't know, maybe not.

But it's just like such crazy, crazy choices on every level being made in that movie. But Uma Thurman doing a lot of the work. I mean. Because Arnold's not going to give you that love. Arnold's does well. In the movie, Arnold is not bad. He's not giving you like. Well, he's not capable.

This affectation. He's not giving you Eartha Kitt. He's not giving you Jessica. He's not giving you like. He's not giving you camp, I don't think giving you jessica he's not giving you like he's not giving you camp i don't think beyond just like the costume of mr freeze what's funny about arnold's performance as mr freeze is it's arnold doing these puns like he's just giving you arnold doing puns and it's not an acting performance although he does cry one tear word to believe yes um and he's good in it because it's like the assignment he was given was

you do you as Mr. Freeze and he did that. Yes. Uma has created a character Yes. and is selling it all the way. Yeah.

And the script is insane. But she is fully committed to it. Her best performance. Yeah. And the costuming is amazing. She always looks stunning. Better than Kill Bill better than Pulp Fiction. Her best performance. Yeah. And the costuming is amazing. She always looks stunning. Better than Kill Bill, better than Pulp Fiction. Yeah, absolutely. Forget the

geriatric bat. Come join me. This is you! It's infected. It's infected me. It's infected you. It's infected and affected me. Yes. In profound ways. You know who loves this? Patrick Rogers. Patrick Rogers. We love Patrick Rogers. I have never, maybe I'm just like

not in on the conversation around Batman and Robin, but Eartha Kitt meets Jessica Rabbit meets who else? I think Mae West. Mae West. I mean, yes. I think Mae West is the clearest reference. But even just this, like that's Eartha. Like that's like, and doing it all. It's so clear where she

got. I love that. I am obsessed. It's so good. We should watch it tonight, honestly. that i am obsessed it's so good we should watch it tonight honestly we should so i bet so you will want to watch it um number seven um number seven this is huge nancy kerrigan and tanya harding saga and you know god bless itania for humanizing tanya god bless i like itania i love itania um so. I mean, a tragedy on so many levels. So many levels. What do you want to say about this? What I'd like to say is this is really, I think, one of the biggest media stories of the 90s.

Yes. It was iconic Olympic drama. Yes. It was iconic class drama. This is what I wanted you to arrive at. Thank you. I mean, really, there's a more complicated story here

about what is asked of people when they get to that level of fame and attention. And what people forget is there's also so many factors that are involved in them being there and them sort of, in terms of what they need to deal with yeah in terms of the advantages that one person is given over the other that are not looked at because the pulpy straightforward story is that there was a woman attacked and it's tragic it's tragic that

there was a woman attacked and nancy kerrigan did not deserve what she got. But I think the reason I like I, Tonya is because it does shed light on the economic disparity and what abuse does to a person. Yes. And, you know, it's so much more complicated than this woman doesn't like this woman. Yeah. It's so interesting that on face value,

the news story was as big as it was without all this underlying stuff. Because the underlying stuff, I think, are what make the story. It's just as fascinating as the surface thing. Yeah, I mean, Tanya Harding seems to be doing well for herself now, I hope. I feel like I did a cursory checkup on her on google the year that i tanya came out i was like okay good for her i don't i don't i don't know i think that she like has a normal life now yeah um and i think that she felt very sort of validated whatever that means i mean we don't know the truth of the situation flat out right and she felt i

guess like her story was being told in some regard. But it is, and again, it's an iffy, tricky, gray area situation because maybe there's no part of her that should be absolved or represented as a folk hero. Because she very well could have been completely in on it. Sure. Totally. But there's a really sort of dynamic, very like weird American story happening here. Yes. Which is and also it's so crazy and hilarious that it takes place in the world of figure skating because it's what it means when someone doesn't belong. Yeah. And where it takes them and where where the place it brings them to emotionally. Really fascinating and Shakespearean.

Thank you for that beautiful. I mean, you just did all the heavy lifting there in terms of talking about this. Listen, I mean, if you have anything to say about Nancy and Tanya, you have the floor now. Wonderful. I don't have anything to say is what I'm saying. I mean, nothing that would feel additive or constructive. We've covered it culturally. We've covered it culturally.

It's made it onto the list, into the seventh spot. But what's number six? Number six is Omarosa's most powerful man in the universe monologue. This was right before Trump was inaugurated. This was Omarosa in an unhinged interview. I mean, I don't think anyone's really seen the full interview, but in the snippet, you have Omarosa,

Meningalt, Stalworth, Newman saying just sort of in a super villainous way or in a super villain lackey way, sort of, I mean, mythologizing Donald Trump in a way that was really at equal parts terrifying,

awe-inspiring, and funny, and stupid and pathetic that I think it's just, it's an iconic moment for, for that intersection of things alone. She's a super villain. She's a super villain. How much of this can we recite? Well, first of all, let's just, let's just cut. We'll just play you the audio. We're going to play you the audio. Every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to President Trump.

It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. So that's what we're talking about. And actually, it's the only instance where we've started, one of two instances where we've started the podcast with anything other than Ding Dong. This was the Ayo Adebore episode. Please listen. I think it's one of my favorite episodes.

I would agree. Because we start off the first 20 minutes only talking about Omarosa because she was very much in the news and the culture that week. Oh, you couldn't tell me it wasn't the biggest news story of the millennium. Of the millennium. And yet it's only number six. But all of culture history-

It really didn't even matter that much. But culture history transcends millennia. I agree. And we're talking about since the beginning of culture. Yeah. So try, how much do you know of it? Anyone who ever- Doubted Donald.

Anyone who ever doubted Donald, anyone who ever doubted donald anyone ever doubted donald anyone ever disagreed will bow to what is the most powerful man in the universe i mean you all just heard it we're just reciting so now you can know just how incorrect and not off book bone is and i am not even gonna try it because i know i don't know it but omarosa okay let's talk about Omarosa uh what do you say I mean this is a person who has taken the spotlight in a way that I think no one could have known would and I I actually think she'll remain relevant for years to come she'll find a way she'll find a way she's more interesting to me than not to draw this comparison in a very superficial way, but she's more interesting to me than a Candace Owens. Oh, not even a competition.

Omarosa, the fact that she had very publicly, she had a very public origin story. She is a supervillain. She's a supervillain. We all saw it in The Apprentice. The plaster fell on her head. She's playing basketball with all these kids.

Like the full package in the beginning where she was talking about working at the Bill Clinton White House. fell on her head she's playing basketball with all these kids um like the full the full package in the beginning where she was talking about working at the bill clinton white house how ironic but um then the celebrity celebrity princess her calling piers morgan closeted her iconic feuds i mean never forget the one with bethany and wendy williams i was gonna bring out the the bethany one because that's actually really interesting you can't i mean you can poke holes in this obviously but it's when she was was on Bethany and she was like, see, you as a white woman get to be mediocre and move up in the world. We're not saying that Bethany is mediocre at all, but we're saying, I mean, she uses Bethany as an example of.

Mediocrity, white mediocrity. White mediocrity and inequities in skill and whatever. Or not skill, but like, you know know career advancement and mobility but it's like but omarosa's like you get to be mediocre and have this talk show and you can't you can't fully disagree with that can i mean she's speaking truth in that situation but in a rare flash could not answer back unfortunately bethany a very smart woman who could really like win any argument with with Radswell let's say I mean she met her match

in Omarosa I think that she learned a lot from that Omarosa interaction you think so I think she learned a lot and brought it back to Real Housewives when she went back yes you know she didn't want to go back alright so Omarosa congratulations you've earned number six we are at the top

five moments of culture history these are huge moments for us and for the world for culture huge and number five is i was rooting for you we were all rooting for you how dare you tyra you have really connected with this moment. I am a vessel for Tyra when, and the times that I've performed this live, this would sort of be my little third appearance on this list or third appearance on this list. Is that her third? I feel like there's more.

Cause she was on for fainting and she was on for rabies. For rabies. Yes. Tyra in this moment, this stands as one of the best moments in culture. Obviously, it's number five. And of course, on a very concentric scale, best moments in reality TV history. One of the best moments in reality TV history. You really can't tell if she's being abusive or if she's being actually

nurturing and you can't tell if she's actually looking out for Tiffany or if she wants to destroy this girl as she's done for many girls. I think it's literally all. Yeah. Yeah. I think she wants, she knows in the moment in the deep back of her mind that she's being iconic,

but also it comes from a real place. I bet she really was rooting for this girl, but it becomes the next level of reality TV star and startup and Tyra being iconic and also evil. Yep. But powerful. Powerful. And convinced that she's correct. Mm-hmm.

It's Tyra in a nutshell. It's Tyra in a nutshell. It's Tyra in a nutshell. Oh my God, yes. I mean, Tyra, a fascinating figure, someone who contains multitudes. I have never in my life yelled at a girl like this.

Mm-hmm. When my mother yells at me, it's because she loves me. Like... You're getting personal history there. Yeah, it's a lot. You're getting, yeah. It's a lot in the best history there yeah it's a lot you're getting like yeah it's a lot in the best way and it's like you can tell the girl was like oh my god had i known it was gonna go here i probably would have just smiled and said thank you but also it's like

we don't really hear from the girl no tiffany poor tiffany um where is she now i think they interviewed her in recent years i remember when we were writing top model recaps for vulture i like was just curious and i looked up what tiffany how tiffany was doing and tiffany is understandably scarred by that moment i would i would categorize that as a trauma oh yeah um when it appears on television the most popular reality show of the time and that we're still we're still talking about this in some way today and to land at number five on our rules of culture, that's got to sting. That's got to sting. But Tiffany, we love you.

Tyree, we love you. Let's move on to number four. Number four. I mean, here we go. Regina Hall as Brenda in the scary movie films. Cindy. A comedy mastermind. Mastermind.

Cindy. TV's leaking. TV's leaking. Ugly bitch. mastermind mastermind cindy tv's leaking tv's leaking ugly bitch now who the fuck did that you peed i know i really sold that shit didn't i uh a comedy i got you with the old fake hand comedy legend regina hall i've i'm on record if the world were fair, Regina Hall would be as big as Sandra Bullock. She can do it all.

She has the gravitas. She has the acting ability. She is, I mean, like deeply, deeply, deeply funny. It's like effortless. Effortless. And that voice she's doing, it's like all a choice.

She's so in service. Again,'s like that voice she's doing. It's like all a choice. Like she's so in service again, like just like Uma and Batman and Robin, like so in the pocket of the tone of the movie. Knows the assignment. Oh my God. Every time she's on screen, it's like we love being with Anna Faris. Anna Faris is amazing and she didn't make the list,

but she is culture. But for us to get even more excited when a new character comes in every time. Brenda had to be there. Brenda. And then even though she dies in so many of Regina had to be there. Brenda had to be there. Brenda. And then even though she dies in so many of the movies, they always bring her back because they know. Oh my God, they know.

She died in the second one. She died in all of them. I think she died in most of them. I don't know if she died in the first one. She definitely dies in the second because she gets- She definitely dies in the second. She gets Jada Pinkett Smith killed in Scream 2. Yes.

And she died in the third. She died in the third when she gets killed by the ring, girl. Yes, yes, yes. And then in the fourth one I'm I don't know I can't remember if she dies or not I the fourth one is a blur to me to be honest it's not I I consider it a trilogy I I ended after

scary movie 3 and scary movie 3 of course is the first that went pg-13 and they still made it work and I would say I would I would posit that in some ways it is the best of the three I would also I would agree it's the best of the three and also like it didn't feel the need to like be, be super gagey or gross because it wasn't art. It was just irreverent PG-13 humor that really suited the franchise and the performers. And Regina Hall, we give it up.

She's a dream guest for me. I would love to have Regina Hall. We would talk about every single one of her projects in depth. Support the girls. It would be like her inside actor studio moment rest in peace James Lipton we would love to serve as the substitute for anyone especially Regina Hall to talk about their work in an in-depth way yes it up to audience we feel we are the gay WTF James Lipton WTF Mark Maron James Lipton both

white white Terry Gross a white man's name. Not a white man, a white woman, but could be the name of a white man. Could be. And that we have to question. Yeah. Number three. We're at the top three. Number three.

Spice World album and movie. I mean. Let's talk about the album first. The album is incredible because it's giving you, talk about the album. I'm just going to name the singles. Go. Not the singles, but just some tracks. Spice Up Your Life, Too Much, Stop, Saturday Night Divas.

Mm-hmm. God, I mean, what else? Even this not being the one with Wannabe on it or Say You'll Be There, this I think is like the amped up progress version of Spice Girls. Also, Spice Girls, they use the word feminism repeatedly. They were talking about being a feminist. They were talking about girl power, supporting women, friendship, positivity, all the messages that we're like,

for some reason dragging our feet to get to now in the year 2020. They were saying in 1995. They were the Angela Davis of pop music saying the words Marxist. You said that. Pushing forward Marxist feminism before any of the other girls.

And the other girls still haven't really come out and said that. And the iconic original storming out of a band member from the group during its peak jerry camila could never camila could never jerry i still i'm still a little hurt by jerry it's a part of the cultural canon that jerry leaves and it was written in the stars that she leave but she didn't leave before the movie the movie which i believe is actually the artistic sort of real offering of the spice girls yeah because this is an actually funny movie it's very funny and it really it really breaks away from traditional movie

structure it doesn't make any sense and that's what makes it great. It's like what we talked with Will about. Yes, yes. I mean, it's their yellow submarine. It's their hard day's night. It's literally like, it's referencing that, which is a cultural callback,

which we love. It's referencing the fact that they are as famous as the Beatles at the time. Yes. And also it's irreverent, big comedy that goes for the joke like all scenes are sketches big costume characters stupid cameos dumb yeah like stuff that we don't

see anymore and it also it's commenting on the fact that they have a movie yes and they don't give a shit or they give a shit but it's like not in the ways that you would expect. Right. And also it's a best supporting actress snub for Posh Spice. Do you know what's the line? This dress is dry clean only, Melanie! Yeah, very good. I don't know. Shut up, Jerry. I spy with my little eye

something blue. Hospital. Shut up, Jerry. Shut up, Jerry. Ran so that Regina George sang Shut up. Shut up, Jerry. Shut up, Jerry. Ran so that Regina George sang, shut up. Shut up. And Mean Girls. Could run. Could run. Oh my god, what are you talking about? You're so skinny. Wait, it walked

so it could run. You said it ran. So it could fly. So it could fly. That's what I meant. Oh, and Hans, head of content Hans is saying, what about Alan Cumming? I mean, always we give love to Alan Cumming. We give love to Alan Cumming who was in Spice World and Josing the Pussycats. Oh yeah.

I mean, truly doing so much more work than he was required, but we're so happy. We're so happy. I mean, Spice World, a moment in time. And now we actually are arriving at the top two,

at the top two. Number two, Oprah's interview with Barbara Walara walters we should clarify this was when barbara walters was interviewing oprah oprah was the the subject this is around the time when the show was ending yes very emotional and it was emotionally thick and i believe what makes this such an important moment is it's two women who were boundary breakers yes in media in media barbara walters the first woman to really break through in a broadcasting capacity and knock down so many doors for everyone that would follow her including oprah yes who in turn did that for women of color yes and black women yes and like just two of the biggest women in media

sitting down and having a conversation about what this means and how they've gotten to where they've gotten and legacy that they leave centered around oprah obviously but i think this is most notable for the gail quote the gail quotes she is the mother I never had. She is the sister everybody would want. She is the friend that everybody deserves. I don't know a better person. I don't know a better person. So now you understand the depth of feeling. Why is it making you cry?

I never said that to her before. And what is indelible to me from that interview is just this anecdote i don't know what the point was she's talking about going on vacation with gail and driving past a car dealership yep and then they go back to the car dealership to buy a car and then i remember oprah going why because i could and you're like okay this is the life of Oprah. She gets to just see a car on a dealership lot and just be like, I want to buy that. Let's turn around.

Oprah is, you know, she is the, obviously the pinnacle. There is, I think no one more famous or more powerful or more important, but, um,

and we, and we are holding Oprah to account, especially after disclosure where she is the subject i mean you see the arc between her uh from her sort of talking about the anatomy of trans people and being very fixated on that when she has a trans guest on her show to sort of really kind of enlightening herself on the yeah well she's always had to do that yes she she she in the beginning i mean um the white woman who does amazing work on race and she does that jane elliott jane elliott she had jane elliott on

her show over 20 years ago yes yes yes i mean like doing like hard work for such a wide base of people i have to ask a question which is if oprah's still on the air and has such access to white women what she did does trump get elected you've yes you've put you've posited this before it's hard to say well it's hard to say because while she did have such influence over that demographic we saw we did see her endorse hillary clinton obviously and we saw every celebrity endorse hillary clinton so it also calls into question the validity of celebrity endorsements in the year 2016 going forward which may be different forever but i do think that she is that special person who's able to break through the conversation and say this is my

feeling and opinion on yes that's why like the Golden Globe Cecil B. DeMille Award thing was a huge thing. And I think Oprah is trying to occupy this sagely place in the world now where it's like, she's still doing Super Soul Sunday. She still has her media empire out there, but I think she's made a conscious decision to leave space for other people. She's still doing like Super Soul Sunday. She's still like has her media empire out there, but it's like, I think she's made a conscious decision to like leave space for other people. But I don't,

I don't know. There's a, there's a major new act coming in her life and she'll figure it out. Yeah. You think, but Oh yeah. She'll like, I know she isn't like top of mind conversation right now,

but there is a major new era of, of Oprah that we're going to see absolutely i feel um a lot of not every not every experience sort of rolled into one person but like you know you have a sexual assault survivor you have a black woman you have um a rags to riches story rags to riches story i mean like she i think that i think that's what in some ways gives her some credential to talk about to like be like the steward for other people's experience that's why it's like okay it's like oprah wants me to listen in on a conversation she has with laverne cox great i'm gonna going to listen to it. That's what's powerful about Oprah.

You don't really get that with a lot of other people and people in media. No, she's one of a kind. She's one of a kind. This interview is huge. I don't know a better person. What a line. I don't know a better person.

She really delivered that one. I don't know a better person. Tissues, please. Yeah. Yeah. An amazing interview. Wonderful supplementary sort of viewing for this is, they took it off YouTube,

but they used to have a lot of the final Oprah episode on YouTube. And that is a wonderful. It's a ride. Wonderful ride. You can find it somewhere. You can find it somewhere. That's probably on your Daily Motions, your Vimeo, something. Yes.

And we've arrived at the number one moment of culture and I think we both agree there could be nothing else. There could be nothing else. This has been a ride. It's been a three episode arc and here we land. Number one. The number one moment in pop culture

history. Look into my eyes. Adele Daseem. There could be no other i mean it was the adele da sim heard around the world we're still dealing with the ripple effects we have not yet begun to understand what happened when john travolta came out onto the oscar stage and said the wickedly talented, one and only, Adele Daseem, which is not Idina Menzel,

never will be her name, and then the cut to her face of abject terror before she begins singing a song she has not, until that point, sung successfully live on the Academy Awards. Until that point. She had not sung it live successfully the academy awards until that point she had not sung it live which is which implies that she ended up singing it successfully she did not and she did not um and we love we love it we love her we love adina and into the unknown is one of my top songs

of this year yes i love adina so much i think that she's earned her place as an A-lister. Yes. Being part of several cultural phenomenons but none of them make the list like Adel. But she is one of the who attempted the final riff of Defying Gravity. But Adel Dazeem I'll never forget the joy I felt coursing through my body when I realized

what he had done. I don't know if it was joy that I felt at first. I was confused and shocked and I remember being with a group of people and we were just like, wait, what? Okay, let's just keep watching. And then it was this sort of like aftershock on social media

that we were just on Twitter. Our friends were like, wait a minute. Yeah, John Travolta didn't say her name right. Oh, no. I knew exactly what had happened the second it happened. I remember he said Adele Daseem. I was watching it with three other people amanda was there i just remember looking over we both threw our bodies like it was like like what it looks like when someone gets struck by lightning like the comical sort of like your body flies over the cross yes my body flew i was limbs flying in the air literally my body went into a joy state

that I cannot describe and I just said who? and to see Idina Menzel stand there and to understand that he did not get her name was so shocking and joyful

for me because I knew it would be funny later and it's a good joke now. They presented it at the Oscars the next year. She was up on the If Then boards as Adele Dazeem for weeks. And he was... Oh, you're saying but in the next year it was that weird creepy moment where he was like pinching her cheeks.

When you say... Because I agree with you when you say we have not yet begun to understand what happened. What do you mean by that? Because I feel like, does this mean that you have some conspiracy theory? No, no conspiracy. I just don't think we understand how good a moment that was for the culture. And we need to say it's number one.

Like, what could beat that? Some people might say them announcing La La Land and really it was Moonlight. That didn't make the list. I think that was just honestly a stupid mess up. And it actually taints the fact that Moonlight flat out won that award. And I think it's kind of sucked that that happened. Adele Dazeem. You cannot begin to draw any line from Idina Menzel to Adele Dazeem.

It just came out of nowhere, but felt like it made so much sense to the fact that i was like this changes things this is camp comedy high like the most serious the event that takes itself most seriously in the industry in the world having something so stupid so stupid happened there and here i was thinking the joke of it was that John Travolta was announcing Let It Go, the coming out anthem of our time. Yeah. But yet. And yet. So is this the conspiracy that John Travolta threw the name through it and through the introduction said Adele Dazeem to take the scent off that everyone would be like

i mean that's the conspiracy you're starting right now is john travolta introducing let it go is because he's oh adele dazeem what is that you know like that's like that seems like a fun little truther i mean it's it's something that um i can't see it being replaced by anything else. You cannot be Adele Dazeem. We're still talking about it. You watch it now. I mean, have we played it? We haven't played it.

Play it. There will always be a special place in my heart for the movie musical and for the songs that create their most memorable moments. Here to perform the Oscar-nominated, gorgeously empowering song, Let It Go, from the Oscar-nominated, gorgeously empowering song, Let It Go, from the Oscar-winning animated movie Frozen, please welcome the wickedly talented one and only Adel Dazeem.

Okay, so that was Adel Dazeem. It still hits you the same way it did at first, maybe even more, maybe even harder, maybe in a different place. The thing is, no one really knows how... There's been an agreement about the way Adele Dazeem is spelled, which is A-D-E-L-E D-A-Z-E-E-M

but there's like an Andel happening that's like, Adele Dazeem It could be spelled A-N-D-E-L N-A-S-I-M It's a soft D if that even exists There's so much happening Dazeem. Like what is the root of that name? Dazeem. Is that Egyptian?

What's happening here? The sibilance on Daseem, the S sound, it's an S-C-I, S-Daseem. Regardless, whatever it is, it is the number one moment in culture history. Rightfully so. And it takes its place and this was a two hour episode. For 25 moments in culture history. But you know what? I wouldn't change a word.

I wouldn't change a word. Because we are Las Culturistas and we examine the culture that we've all experienced and which has come before us and that will come in the future and we say thank you. To each will come in the future. And we say. Thank you. To each cultural moment that we experience.

Each cultural moment of the experience. We'll edit this out. But Han said. But you literally told us to edit words though. And that's true. But. Who asked you? In the grand scheme of things.

Wouldn't change a word. Wouldn't change a word. So we hope you. Tolerated us. Self indulging. On such an. On such change a word. So we hope you tolerated us self-indulging on such a crazy scale that we would do six hours total of audio over three days consecutively to celebrate our 200th episode, potentially on a miscount,

our 200th episode, but to celebrate with 200 moments in history, in culture history. But we had a blast doing it and we haven't been in the same room recording in some time and we had fun and we hoped you had fun and I think we're not going to do an I Don't Think So Honey. We're not going to do an I Don't Think So Honey

but hey, we might even encourage you to start your own list of the top 200 moments in culture history. Yes! And please send them to us and put them in a Google Doc. Send us the link. For your consideration. FYC for the next installment

of this in 200. When we do this again in a couple of years when we have our 300th and 400th episodes. Yes. So.

Wow. It's a living document as we said. It's a living document. And I think. Closing thoughts? I don't have really any closing thoughts

but I think that we're going to close things the way we always close things, which is with a song. And nobody in all of us, no wizard that there is or was, is ever going to bring me down. Bring me down

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