Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Floozy" (w/ Miss Benny)

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

To be the star of a series called "Glamorous", you kinda have to have that X Facta, you see. And Miss Benny just so happens to have THAT to spare. She joins Matt (Bowen is on break!) on this episode of Las Cultch to discuss shooting Glamorous with a big old queer cast, the "Star or Actress" game, how Glee low key changed things, And Just Like That's return to our screens, the process of selecting a wig, "having that effect of people", nudity and how to correctly objectify men on TV. Also, America's Next Top Model shaping reality TV culture and introducing Miss Benny to Isis King, how no one could ever be Survivor's Parvati, and the question of whether or not we would fuck Santa. All this, pop girls getting shit thrown at them, social media changing and evolving (derogatory), and a re-telling of the time Matt and Miss Benny went to a talkback for Jessica Simpson's Open Book and PETA jumped out. Miss Benny is a superstar and Glamorous is a blast! Stream it now on Netflix.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes. Las culture. Ding dong. Las culture. East is calling. Yes, look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow las culturistas ding dong las culturistas calling yes i know that is one voice do not adjust um the settings on your devices it is just me matt um i'm gonna explain why so as you guys may know if you have instagram and are into that sort of thing bowen yang is going to be taking a little bit of a break. And it is for good reason. Bowen has been sort of heroically spreading himself thin, being just the busiest person ever. He's literally flying to London to shoot Wicked, back here to do episodes of the podcast. You know, SNL was in season all year. He was flying New York, London, back, forth. And he's expressed on the podcast over the past couple of months feeling, quite frankly, exhausted. And so my thing is, I am first and foremost his best friend. And I just want the best for him and for him to feel like he has energy and can feel good about coming to the podcast and doing this because this should be fun. And lately, I think he's just been feeling a little spread thin.

So this is something that we have no qualms about saying, just take a fucking break. So I said to him, take as much time as you need. Focus on getting to the end of Wicked. They have about a month more of shooting. Probably about five more weeks of working. And he's going to focus on that and do that. And he has all of our support and obviously all of my support because I love my sister. And thanks everyone for reaching out and seeing if he's okay. Everything is going to be totally fine. He just needs some time and some space.

We've also been doing a lot like we hosted the lost culture he says culture awards which was a big endeavor we did watch what happens live we launched our merch on top of him again flying back and forth to shoot wicked and do all the things you do in life on top of all this other stuff so it's just been going at a 10, 11, 12, and then it all culminated in the Kelly episode, which we put so much emotional energy into, as you saw, and was truly just a peak of the pod. And so now we're just going to take a second

to just get our shit together and come back better than ever together for you guys, the readers, the kitties, the publicists, the finalists, because we love you and you deserve us at our best. And Bowen knows that. I am here though. And the good news is I've actually turned it out with the guests that I'm going to be giving you starting with today. So over the next month or so, like I said, it's just going to be me and the guests, but I do hope you'll still join join me the sounds of thousands of people turning off their podcasts just like i'm not this faggot not just this faggot i'm done um so basically i just sort of put myself in the pov of someone who would be

listening to just me and i said well i gotta give them someone who's 50 000 times the star just supernova energy and that's why I sort of landed on my guest today. So here's the fucking deal. Here's the tea. If you're watching Glamorous on Netflix, you know what's good for you. You know that this show is giving you comedy. It's giving you a little bit of that soapy campiness. It's giving you a little bit of that soapy campiness it's giving you a little bit of the throwback to the ugly betty vibes it's giving you devil wears proud of energy it's giving you kim cattrall in a return to television we'll talk about that it's giving you get this very queer cast queer power it's giving everything but mostly it's giving you a star turn by miss benny who is not just an

actress but a recording artist will get into it an all-around powerhouse i was lucky enough to guest star on the eighth episode they called 108 in the biz i iconically portray the role of p-town tony and if you've watched the show, you know that I have two lines that get repeated many times. The words are not this. I like to think I turned it. We'll get into it. I can't wait to hear what my guest thinks

of my performance as edited. It felt good on set, but you never know how it's going to come out in the edit, you know? But I just could not be more excited. This is a big day for Lost College. It's actually a long-awaited day because even when I was on set, I was like, I can't wait to get this bitch on Lost College.

Because I'm going to get into it with the bitch, because let me tell you something. She turns opinions. We played the most intense game of star actress during a stop-down we've ever heard. We have to talk about that. We have to talk about that. Everyone, please welcome into your ears the star of Glamorous and so much more, Miss Benny! Oh my god. Did you hear that little crack in my voice? Miss Benny! It was a cute little

pubescent moment. It was so exciting. I'm also going through puberty, but in the opposite direction. Absolutely. If my voice starts to soften, my breasts get a little larger while we talk, just know it's normal. Just understand. It's the waves. I have to say, that was really hilarious to watch and I kind of started to fantasize as you were talking about being the only guest in this episode that you just never introduced me and you just did the podcast as normal.

I know. I've just like realized like all the way through like maybe I actually kind of like this like Sex and the City Carrie Bradshaw podcast vibe. I can leave if you would like to do this. I understand. Yeah, you got all these great guests, but the fans know what they want. I'm so excited you're here. I'm so excited to be here. I have like butterflies right now. Honestly, I was like, see if my sister is going to be here. I have like butterflies right now. Honestly, I was like, see if my sister's going to be away. I need someone that's going to give co-host energy.

And I mean, we've known each other for, do you remember where we met? This is iconic. I actually wanted to ask you because in my mind, I've known you my whole life, but I know that there probably was a moment. It was the Betty Who concert at the Fonda.

Oh my God, I'm going to pass out. It was the same night I started dating Jared. Your year of the Fonda? My year of the Fonda. Oh my god, I'm gonna pass out. It was the same night I started dating Jared. Your year of the Fonda? My year of the Fonda. I went to concerts like every three days at the Fonda. Tell me about some Fonda moments. I saw Iggy Azalea there by accident. Oh, really?

Everyone, hold on, I'll explain. Again, thousands more turn off their podcast. Right, right, right. Sorry, guys. I really... Bowen's coming back, I swear. But I was like passing the Fonda to do something else. And there was like, they had on the marquee that was Iggy Azalea.

And I was like, what are the odds there's still tickets right now? And so I walked up while her show was going, got a ticket and went in. So shady that there were odds. You know, now that I'm telling the story, I'm realizing maybe not. And I walked in and I had the best seat in the house. Yeah, it was just for me. It was so crazy. No, and I was gagged to find out that it was...

At the time, I guess she was touring with miss vanjie and so literally it was like iggy would like do a song then like vanjie would like do a bit it was really an interesting take on like a comedy pop rap it was a hybrid show yeah it was a hybrid show and honestly not far off from your shows oh yeah probably not iggy azalea miss Fanny Matt Rogers Definitely the same world I honestly could see that As a headlining act I would kill The three of us

And I want you to dress In the same outfits That they wear too Fighting over who goes last Oh my god I think I have some claim None Yeah

I mean you probably all Have the exact same pool Of gay fans Like you probably Performed to the same crowd I'll be real I did headline the Fonda Two nights in a row

hell yeah okay and that was a good show too thank you boo I want you to know that my best friend who I don't think has ever met you

literally is constantly doing your Martha May song really? yes it's like such a recurring thing she's the hottest female up in Whoville

yes ice pussy I'm the Whoville thriller thank you for remembering the lyrics I feel like I could channel you as I sing it it's so funny I had never heard it when I saw the show

I was like talking you up so much but Fully was like I haven't seen the show either we don't know if it's good so I was like guys my watch is just hilarious crossing my fingers

I know you are so fucking funny and specifically that song I've always idolized Martha May so I literally was like Martha May is a moment in culture

yeah she got the jacuzzi running she got the jacuzzi running my thing idolized Martha May, so I literally was like... Martha May is a moment in culture. Yeah, she got the jacuzzi running. She got the jacuzzi running. My thing is like, Martha May, that's the kind of person I want explored more. And you've always said that. And I've always said that. There's two characters in that show that I'm like, what's their real story? Martha May and Mrs. Claus.

They go untold. The women. Women's stories matter. Women's stories do matter. Reese Witherspoon. Women's stories matter. They go untold. The women of Christmas. Women's stories matter. Women's stories do matter. Who said it? Reese Witherspoon? Women's stories matter. They just do. And we celebrate her. That's it, yeah. So Fonda Moments, you had a Fonda

Moments seeing Iggy Azalea. You had a Fonda Moments seeing me years later. We met at the Betty Who concert. Yes. Betty Who, that was a great show too. What year was that? That was 2019. Okay, wow. That moment when you realize we actually have known each other for years. So it's crazy because in my brain 2019 is, I think 2019 is my new

2007 where I'm like, oh that was like two years ago or whatever but like it was now four years ago. You know what? Is it because 2007 was like a what did that year mean for you? I hit Montana. Okay, yeah. And like High School Musical or like was this a Waverly place? Yeah. What about you? I mean

I guess 2007 for me that was 2008 I graduated high school. So like was this a Waverly place yeah what about you I mean I guess 2007 for me that was 2008 I graduated high school okay so actually you know what what really like dictates 2007-2008 for me which by the way

was a rough time for the queers right because this was like I remember going into class this is before Glee this is before Glee right

literally yeah Glee changed it all PG Glee they say if there had been no Glee Obama would have never said the gay marriage should be I actually do believe that yeah if Kurt hadn't sang Rose's

turn Obama would not have blinked an eye I will say people have been asking me all the time about um like what gay representation made me I like reference Glee and then I realized how kind of funny that is because when you look at Glee as like now, it's so funny to think that was like so, I remember crying watching the like first gay kiss on Glee and being like. Oh, absolutely. I watched it over and over and over. First of all, the first season of Glee,

well, let's say this, the first half of the first season of Glee. You're like the first moment of the first season of Glee. The first seconds of Glee, like, well, I literally say all the time, you know, Ryan Murphy bitch could turn a pilot out. Like some of the best pilots. And I remember

watching Glee and genuinely feeling like really excited about what it was. And then like it got crazy. But I remember being like the kind of gay that at the time, I think it was like 2008, 2009. I think I was still closeted when it started. And I was like,

you still are. And I remained closeted till just minutes ago. You don't have to talk about it. And I'm not ready. Okay. But I remember like when Kurt was being so gay, there was like a part of me that was like a little nervous about it. Like I remember when he sang Rose's turn,

I was like, we can't, no, we can't do this. No, it's too much. I don't like it. Who let her do this? And it was not't do this. No, it's too much. I don't like it. Who let her do this?

And it was not this thing of like, oh, fuck this show. I don't like it. I think it was genuinely like, I'm scared that he is out there doing this thing that I've only done in my bedroom because now everyone's going to know I deeply want to do that. Yeah. We all wanted to sing Rose's Turn. I talked about this the other day in some interview but i was like talking specifically about kurt it was like it was just so funny because watching that i remember being like oh my god that's me i love that but then like looking around me and

taking the temperature of the room everyone was so critical uncomfortable flamboyant he was and i remember at the time that was like one of my early memories of clocking that like oh y'all don't also want to be that. So I should probably like take that in. Yeah. And then I guess here I am now. Maybe someone's also seeing me do what I do and they're like scared. No, but the thing is like,

I think it has changed so much because like that's what made Glee stand out so much. Cause it's funny you say, we think of Glee as being this groundbreaking thing. And then you go back and it's like essentially what? Two white gays singing Teenage Dream at each other. And we're other and we're like her her her now that's like a wintergreen commercial whatever the fuck but back then it was like i'm nervous i'm nervous i'm nervous i'm nervous to the point where now here we are with glamorous and it feels like and i mean this in the most

complimentary way but it's like we're joining this workplace in process and we really don't question it yeah you know what i mean like the world is very saturated um but also grounded in that queerness yeah and even in the very familiar elements like you know you have kim who we all know from like what was an iconic show but what was one of the most white woman straight woman shows of all time and like she comes from that and now here she is but it all feels very like harmonious so i wonder like did it feel like normal and harmonious doing it because that would not have been the feeling like a while back doing that like you would have been looking over your shoulder like at the crew which is probably a lot of straights you know what i mean like because

when i guessed it it felt like that but did it feel like that throughout well it's interesting because you know we're like a workplace drama comedy and I'm just so used to I'm sure you'll feel this too but like when you like guest start on so many random shows as like the funny gay character like you get really used to just being like okay I have to like carry so much right now and like I'm in a room full of straight actors who are like it's really brave that you're doing what you're doing. Like, it just doesn't, it feels like you're doing something so like specific. And then with this, like pretty much the whole cast and characters are queer. So there was this funny sense of like, we've never had that many gay people at a work environment before. So there was like sort of a talk on set of like, how do you conduct yourself when you feel like you're at the gay club, but you're not, you're actually at work.

I know. Isn't that funny? I actually remember our episode 108, as they say in the biz. It was so funny because up to that point, we had done such a good job of clipping our language and keeping it understandable for the straight people in the crew. Not when Joel Kim and I came. No, as soon as we imported you and Joel,

there was no hope. I actually think the crew after that had such, I remember the sound guy came up to us and asked me specifically what the word cunt meant in this context and i was like i had to explain to him that i was like no no no like matt calling me that is like actually the nicest thing that i could do right when i look at you splayed out on the ground absolutely slang style bactria when i wave my finger at you and say the word cunt yeah like it's not me saying the meanest thing you've ever heard at the top're screaming at the top of our lungs, like horrible homophobic slurs that could

never be repeated on air. It's like entirely, it's like, I love you. Yeah. It's like, you'll go home with a badge of honor. Yeah. That was such a fun time. That was the best. And then even thinking like about the sound guy, you know what I mean?

Just like the sound guy, we're mic'd. So we're mic'd and they hear everything. And they do warn you about that, which is something you don't think about when you're going on set to act like that you're mic'd and there's a sound person or a poor sound mixer that can hear it all. The person that was privy to our conversation, our game of star or actress, we have to get into this. Oh, God.

Okay. So Joel Kim and I, we love this game. star or actress. We have to get into this. Oh, God. Okay. So, Joel Kim and I, we love this game, Star Actress. And if you go way back on the podcast, this game was introduced on Moscow Teresa years ago. It was some episode

where Joel Kim was guesting on and we just played this game for about 45 minutes. So, we love to play this game. We brought it to the set of Glamorous because we're a bunch of fucking queers and what do queers love to do during a stop down

More than argue about whether Jennifer Garner is a star or an actress Oh my god And so you could not wrap your mind around this I still kind of can't if you ask me to explain it right now. I do it wrong probably Do it so what is star or actress? What is it as a game? This is wrong and this is what I got absolutely fucking crucified for And I'm having Zayn on this podcast next week and I remember you were having such a hard time and Zayn at one point goes, well,

when we think about it this hard, it's not fun anymore. Well, I felt bad because I remember the crew was trying to like rally us

to get ready for the next set up but we weren't done. But we were like, no, Amanda Seyfried is a star. And for me,

it was one of those things. So in my world, we use the word star to mean like, that's like the best thing you could call somebody. So if you're a star, that means like you can do all of it. You're a great actress.

You're a great performer. Like you are the it person. While like an actress in my mind, to my understanding was like, that's all you'll ever do is you'll just be the girl who acts like you're not like a presence. You're just like on screen. But, and you can correct me now. I found the understanding later to be that actually it's the other way so basically there's not a pejorative in being

either i mean i can't so if you are jennifer garner out there and i say jennifer garner is a star not an actress and you and she takes offense to that that that's on her. Right. Because guess what? Being a star is like you said, it's huge. It's everything. Being a star is endorsements, products, selling tickets.

You know what I'm saying? Being a star is hitting the carpet. I could cry right now. You're giving such, it's just so passionate. Well, because I have conviction about it because I want to speak for people who might hear that they're a star and feel disappointed

that they're not also a technician actress or a journeyman actor. A star is that. An actress is someone who comes in and is about the work and is always going to give you the take and is going to give you the performance, but maybe you're not necessarily the box office slam dunk. For example, I'll throw someone out there okay and remember it's

hard to do this on this podcast now because the podcast has become more successful and i get a little nervous because then all of a sudden one day and this is true you hear that someone like major listens to the podcast and you're like well fuck i hope i didn't call them a flop do you think that any like female celebrities are listening to this right now? I know for a fact they are. Please don't say me. I know for a fact they are. And I'm going to keep their names out of it.

Okay. Okay, so let's do someone that I know is not listening. Okay. Juliana Margulies. Okay. Star actress. I'm going to be honest. I don't know who you're talking about.

I really wanted to do that bit where I was like i don't okay that's so funny that is give me what she's from she's okay i'm not gonna like slap my she was the star of er oh that i was not gonna know i mean i know yeah okay wait no that was so stupid of me okay how about this no this is a good one sydney sweeney oh oh shit my instinct is star my instinct to start too oh my god i'm so relieved i can't believe my fucking gay ass just said juliana Oh. Oh, shit. My instinct is star. My instinct is star, too. Oh, my God. I'm so relieved. I can't believe my fucking gay ass just said Julianna Margulies to you. I can't believe you looked at me and thought that was going to be the first person I'd be like, oh, I have thoughts on this, honey.

So, but get this. With Sidney Sweeney, I agree. It's star. Right. Because you think of her and you think of persona. You think of the Sidney Sweeney-ness. Also, the name. Like, she has it in, like, lights.

Yeah. think of persona you think of the sydney sweeneyness also the name like she has it in like lights yeah but this is where we got fucked up when we were filming is that i i think the name that came up that threw us for a loop was kate blanchett because in my world kate blanchett is like star of everything where it's like she has power to be all of it but i remember the people in the room were saying like actress in the way that she's like making notes next to every single word on a page. Right. And so I was like mind blown at trying to wrap my head around this game. And I remember specifically that was the one that made us start fighting and that we started fighting and we're late to set. And it was a thing of like, OK, now we've really made it.

Yeah, because now the queer actors are truly running the set. We're beefing. They're too busy. They're beefing. They're too busy down in the basement in their like fucking lingerie we literally were in full drag like hooker clothes like literally and by the way i want to just specifically give you your props when we were doing fittings for cellblock tango i remember they at least for me they gave me a rack of like just like sex shop clothes and they were like pick whatever you want and so i was like oh this is so fun we're all gonna get to do our drag race mini challenge quick drag like and

so i put together my little like anosophia raw bob and was like so ready and then literally you showed up and like how would you describe what you wore in the eighth episode here's what i would describe my aesthetic as and i want to say my drag aesthetic is often this. Late 90s white girl R&B singer. That is exactly what I wanted to say but I wanted you to own up to it first. Like Pink when she first came out. Literally. Some girls got

their land and their land. There you go. Look it. That was exactly what you gave. You also had that swish to your walk the whole way through. It was giving hoochie mama. I didn't even know that wig was in the options. When they showed us all the wigs, that was not there. I believe you brought that.

Well, first of all, I have like history with that kind of wig. That sort of like swoopy bang is something that I gravitate towards. That like feathery like. Yes. It's funny because like, I don't know know like growing up when you picture yourself in your geish you know what i mean when you see in your mind's eye the woman you are right like i always thought oh i'll have really long blonde hair like sharon clueless you know what i mean like that's my essence like you know popular girl yeah meanwhile you then get the opportunity to

literally pick and i'm like i think i'm white girl late 90s R&B singer with this swoopy bang. Absolutely. You're like presented with your like Pokemon starter Pokemon. You're like, I guess I never thought of this until this moment because now that it's in front of me, nothing is clear. I didn't know I was Charmeleon until I had the option to pick Charmeleon's heels. The only people on that lineup that I knew were like had a vision from the beginning of their life was Zayn wearing the like furgy, red, curly hair.

And then Michael C. Rosen wearing his like Madam Blueberry bob. By the way, that's not scripted that he was supposed to be like a secretary. He in the fitting was like do you have a little pair of glasses and a tiny little blouse? It's so funny that he would pick that. And he served it up too. well first of all the gag is watching michael suros in dance the scariest

moment of filming for me the entire five months we filmed was the two seconds we did choreo together and by that i mean we grabbed each other's arms and pulled each other back and he literally when i was doing that he like came over and like pushed my shoulders and like twisted my body and was like it was like Suspiria he was like breaking my bones to get into this position and I couldn't do it I was like

you've been on Broadway I did like a church play when I was a kid where I wore like a little robe and was like do not be afraid yeah so Michael Sue Rosen

iconically Chino in the West Side Story revival on Broadway was twisting you into Suspiria Pretzel doing choreo and you were like, bitch. Yeah.

This is not the way she dances. Well, I was also so freaked out because in that episode, my character Marco was supposed to win this like lip sync battle. But then like everyone else in the number, all of y'all like have done musical theater. Like this is what you do. Girl, please. I'm the only one who hadn't. So I literally was like, oh my God, I have to actually somehow turn this out.

And they got me together. I'm proud of it. Well, first of all, here's what I'll say. There was no question that you won. On set, being there, you won. For real. You had a close competition from Michael Sue Rosen who was doing leaps and twirls. By the way, unchoreographed. He added those.

He's amazing. No, I love him. I really do. Yeah. The problem is that I am so in love with him that when anyone else partakes in the love, I'm like, fuck off. Yeah, get away. I'm like, he's mine. He's one of those.

Yeah. You know what I always say about people who, like, you ever meet someone and you say like, oh, that person's great. Like, they're kind of cool. And then someone goes, oh, yeah, they tend to have that effect on people. Bitter. I'm always like like put those people in jail i love that though like i love that it's the same vibe to me as people who are like oh my

god i just met this person they're so nice and they're like oh my god i've literally known them forever yeah and you're like oh that's so cool what do you know each other you're like literally it's a long story it's such a long story and like there's so much history in the way they're saying like i can't even like say it like too much yeah and the next time you see them together that person like introduces themselves to them yeah i was like if you're someone who walks around in the world with the knowledge that you quote unquote have that effect on people scary you have to know that and understand you might be having people fall in love with you left and right yeah and then meanwhile the show comes out and what's happening in the gay group chat f Faggots are starting to say, I love that Michael Sue Rosen.

They love Michael. And you do have that thing of like, well, back off. I do. When it's also that I didn't. Yeah. The thing is that I am exactly that person with Michael particularly. And what's crazy is we didn't chemistry read for the show. Like.

Really? We were supposed to chemistry read, but things were moving fast and they were so confident with Michael that they were like, you're going to have great chemistry. And I was like, he's so good. And he's so good. And then I was filming one day, like at the very beginning of the show. And I had like a couple hours to like go home, which like never happens. And so I took that opportunity and he met me for coffee.

And I remember the whole time I was talking to him, I was like, oh no, I'm going to actually fall in love with you while we're filming. That's a thing. It was like a big fear of mine and it happened. And I am still in love with him. If he's out there right now, Michael, just know I miss you. And he is out there. I know he's one of those actresses that's going to be listening. Okay, ready? Michael Sudow's in Star Actress. Oh my god.

He would want to be called an actress. He would. And we'll call you an actress. I kind of wanted to be bitchy and call him a star because I know he would call me as soon as he heard this and be like, what the fuck was that about? No, of course, I I mean we have a scene we have so many scenes in the show where we're like

supposed to be like really acting and we did one where we're supposed to be like screaming at each other and I remember after the first take

I was like oh shit you're actually like good I was like don't do that how dare you don't be all being all good I was like

not you earnestly acting right now like grow up not you earnestly acting right now like grow up not you earnestly acting in the show that's what you're paid to do not you being hired to act and trying to do it

I thought we were sort of doing this with a wink and a nudge yeah I had this bit on set where after like 10 takes and multiple coverages I would look at everyone and be like

guys we should start doing we should do good we should do a good take do you guys want to see a good take and then I'd look at the crew and I'd just be like I'm gonna do a good one

I was doing good on this time it was really I also had this really fun bit that kind of bit me in the ass later a good take. Do you guys want to see a good take? And I'd look at the crew and I'd just be like, I'm going to do a good one. I'll do a good one this time. I also had this really fun bit that kind of bit me in the ass later, which is before every take with Michael and with a lot of the actors, but mainly Michael, I would like, as they're being like sound speeding and camera speeding, I would literally look at them and be like, I think you have something on your... Actually, no, I'll just tell you

after. Or like, right before I take, I'd be like, Michael, I'm just like, I have to get off my chest. I'm really upset that you said this well i'll tell you after this or i'll be like hey jordan um had a note for you he didn't give it to you he'll probably come up after yeah maybe after your coverage and then karma got its kiss for me because then uh one time i was filming with kim and we had our like comfort shoes because if our feet weren't in it, we were like, why not wear Crocs and shit? And so I remember I was wearing like these platform purple Crocs with like butterfly little,

like whatever those like sticker things are. Yeah. Those little embellishments. I forget what they're called. They have a funny, quirky, cute little name. They're called like pogs or something.

What are the, what are those called? What are those? I almost just turned to my engineer, Doug, and like asked him if he knew what it was. Gibbets. Gibbets.

They're gibbets. Doug, would you have known what a gibbet was in Gibbets. Gibbets. They're gibbets. Doug would you have known what a gibbet was in a croc shoe? Absolutely not. Okay. Okay well then the listeners at home you can imagine but anyway so Kim right before a take where we're supposed to have like this inspirational speech with each other she just like looked down at my feet

saw the crocs and laughed and I then it was like action and I was like Kim Cattrall just laughed at my feet. Just laughed at my shoes. She did a full take of my body, saw my feet, and laughed. And I was like, I think I get to go to gay heaven now. I think that's what this moment means. Oh, my God.

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We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Were you gagged when you found out that Glamorous was going to premiere the same day as And Just Like That? Yes.

And do you think it was planned? Okay, so I'm speaking from the place of no authority. Like, no one communicated with me. I don't know this to be a fact. I do believe it is true I mean come on because why not I mean I can't imagine anyone in the planning of that was like we had no

can you imagine when I will say I know that we were the show was supposed to come out like the end of May beginning of June and then something happened and I remember hearing that it was getting moved and then it got announced the same week and it was gonna be the same day. So that to me feels like they heard

I have to believe that. And were like because also it's like sort of rich to have her out there doing press at the same time as all the Sex and the City people and also the announcement that she's gonna be back on the show which none of us knew about. You didn't know. No I mean it was truly the experience of watching all that unfold was completely

authentic to me like I was so gagged and so stunned. And I was doing press and they were being like, were you so excited that the secret was finally out? I was like, I didn't know. You think Kim was calling me being like, I've got an idea. I'm going back. Like, I don't think I was. She wasn't running it by you. Yeah, she didn't get the call from HBO.

Call Pat Fields and then me. Like, it wasn't that. Speaking of, so this is the bit that I have about In Just Like That on this show. Okay, I'm ready. So the first season of In Just Like That, and let me just say, massive fan of Sex and the City, as we all are.

And then In Just Like That happens last season, and there was like the Che of it all, and the sort of, you know, new Sex and the City 2.0, as it were, to the point where it's not even really Sex and the City anymore. It fully is In Just Like That. It's really more of an hour-long drama with these characters and more. My bit was that the first season was written by the third graders.

And what I mean by that is that it's as if this was the scenario. A teacher came into class and said to a group of third graders, Okay, everyone, today we're going to be writing an episode of TV. And here are the characters and whatever you do by the end of the day is what's going to go on. And here are the rules. You have to do an episode of Sex and the City.

Now, I know you guys are probably a little little for that. Maybe not know, but here's what it is. And they got all the information and by the end of the day, as a group wrote an episode of television and that is what we see on screen. That's really funny. And I loved that about it.

Yeah. I would not hear any criticism about that first season when it came out. I literally was like, I respect your decision to have that opinion, but I was like,

I will be tuning in every single episode. And let me say, with energy, I put it on every week, and I was like, thank God, my show is on.

It's not Sex and the City. I've left it behind. We week. And I was like, thank God my show is on. It's not Sex and the City. I've left it behind. We are in And Just Like That now, where we are dealing with Miranda screaming from the depths of the bottom of her stomach as she orgasms. Because Che is the best finger blaster in the world. They are the best at what they do. They can teach a college course and how to finger and pleasure a woman. Yeah. And I'm here and pleasure, a woman. Yeah. And I'm here and I'm on board.

I was acclimating to the new characters. I kind of liked the drama with Big's death and Carrie's grieving. I thought Sarah Jessica turned it. This season, Mama. Honey. Girl. There's nothing happening.

My mind is just blown how much Carrie's not in it. That's like truly the number one thing that's blown my mind like i really when i watch it at home like the number one thing that we say is just like where's carrie during all of this like she's so cut off from the rest of everyone i guess and this is the problem i think like just like with the background and tv writing that i have and like just like from someone who watches and tries to enjoy a lot and observe a lot, I think what's happening is there's just too many fucking characters.

There's so many characters. And I love that everyone's getting to have their storylines. If I was on the show, I would be so thrilled to have my own sub-story. But watching it, I'm just like,

oh my gosh, there's minutes that go by where we never see the original three girls and it's like, we want to see the girls. Yeah, you know who's really suffering is Charlotte. Poor Charlotte. Like she doesn't have a storyline. Which

I don't know how you feel about the original Sex in the City but I feel like when I first watched it and when people would talk about it I feel like Charlotte never got enough props for like how much she carried the comedy in the show. Of course. And then I rewatched it before i

filmed glamorous i literally was like charlotte's kind of like the comedic powerhouse character of the show like she a lot of the time like everyone has like earnest storylines and then she's doing like physical bits and like face bits and like so i love the character of charlotte so watching the show i'm like give me charlotte yeah so i guess like for me it's like when you're watching a sitcom like sex in the city it's like it actually breaks down pretty mathematically. Like you have Carrie is going to carry the A story. So she's going to drive the narrative. And then really the second character that gets that's really like more of the second lead, like in terms of like getting the dramatic heft is Miranda. So like she'll encompass a lot of those dramatic themes. And that's why you see

Hearst continue to get a lot in like an hour long drama version of this show, because we're used to seeing that character in three dimensionality. You know what I mean? Whereas like Samantha and Charlotte were sort of two sides of this coin where it was like, we're living in prude yuppie world. And then we're living in like horror, like, you know, superhero professional world. And like, those are two different sides of Carrie's personality, that tug of war. Yeah. So without the Samantha, it's hard to really enjoy Charlotte. And when there's so many new characters coming out without a defined thing, it just feels

like we're living in this sea of people. So we have Carrie doing what she's doing, Miranda doing what she's doing, and then the rest of them sort of occupying the bottom. And it's like, none of them are served by it. I really think the show, like not even adjusting any of the storylines. I know people have so many thoughts

on like how the character stories are actually going, but like just structurally speaking, the two things that I think would make the show have like the most magic possible that i'm like i was counting on for season two i hope if season three comes around that they will do this but like the first is that i think there needs to be because sex in the city this so well was a thematic thing every episode so like yes if the topic was being the one then it's like everyone needs to have their own story pertaining to that yes and I feel like the new

season like there's sometimes an episode where I'm like I don't know what it's about what the end of the result of the I enjoy it and I'm like having fun watching it but I'm like I don't know what the intention of this episode was and the other thing and I know that they intentionally don't want to do this because of the fact that they want to make it a new

show I want like I'm in a writer's room. I'm like pitching. I'm like, this is what you need, Michael Patrick. But this is part of being a queer person watching the show is it's like, we do have ownership over this. I'm doing more press for it and just like that that I'm doing for Glamorous if I'm being honest

because I'm like- Well, we know the two feed each other famously. They're absolutely obsessed with the game of it all. Listen, if they want, they love a trans or non-binary actor on In Just Like That, if they want someone, I will come in,

I will move mountains, I will do anything to feature on that show. Do you believe Marco Mejia exists in the same world of In Just Like That? Do you think it's the same universe?

I do. I mean, I play it that way. Yeah. I mean, in the original versions of the script, there were Sex and the City references, which like, obviously with Kim being attached,

kind of had to be moved around. I would because it would have been like listen we're a campy fun show but there's something really weird about the idea of kim saying sex in the city as a different character like referring to the show in the city as madeline yeah but i mean i i just got like chills thinking about it i don't like it i kind of love it though maybe i do love it maybe that's why i got chills. It's gonna be like a multiverse thing but Kim Cattrall, she did like everything

everywhere all at once. Yeah, that's one way I'm still open to the multiverse. Yeah. I'm just like that glamorous. There's three multiverses I'm seeing. I'm seeing Sex in the City.

I'm seeing Glamorous. I'm seeing Kim Cattrall Scatting. That specific video is its own universe. When that Kim Cattrall in that video leaves that scatting world, it's a different utopia.

COVID never happened there. Oh my God. A world where Kim Cattrall, actual Kim Cattrall, Madeline, and Samantha Jones were all in a room together. I want the Hollywood Reporter Roundtable.

I will pay for that. I will produce that. Only she can make it happen. Yeah. But yeah, so basically like i'm watching the show and i just want to say something like something really struck me so i'm watching it just like that and of course i could go in now on like the che of it all like it's just so the che miranda relationship is so not fun to watch it's weird it's weird i want to love it because on paper

i'm like that's fun. Yeah sure but like the thing is like I think that what they've done with Che that I don't think they intended to do is Che is so unlikable.

I don't like Che. It's gotta be the writing there because there's moments where I'm like I like see like a flash of what the point is. Yeah. But then they have moments

where like if there's conflict between Miranda and Che, I just like don't believe that anyone would respond in an argument in that way. Exactly. And so like I never know what, like in the first season I feel like we're literally gonna talk about it just like that this whole pod. No, we literally aren't. And I'm so happy to do that.

Literally, I'm totally okay to never talk about anything that I do. But to me like the first season, Che was very fuckboy. Just like, all my cards are on the table. And I liked that. I was like, okay, cool. We're seeing Miranda pursue this never-ending pursuit or whatever. But then in season two, now it feels like Che is also in pursuit of something that they can't get.

So it's just a weird thing where I'm like, you guys on paper should just be happy. But for some reason reason something's not happening I think that what's happening is they are trying to make Che one of the main characters of the show like we're seeing Che get their own scenes like in the dressing room where

there's a concern about Che's weight from a producer etc things like that that producer also I think what the show is losing is the fact that like, we have to stay with the main characters. We stay with the girls

and like, everyone else can be a part of it, but like, you have to put Miranda in that fitting. Yes. We have to see Miranda's, through her eyes.

Because the whole thing of Sex and the City to like, take it to like, a biblical way is like, we are all of those girls. Those girls are all of us.

100%. I made those girls. These are my girls it's literally like the quadrants of personality that's why it's like four it's like not to bring this in

but it's like that's why they separate the Hogwarts houses you know what I mean like the the sex in the city girls like there's four you know what I mean

it's like you can quadrant it in a way that makes sense yeah you know what I mean and so when we're split into a million different directions

and also they're changing the characters a lot it's like of course women over time they change they grow but they are centrally who they are and that's important in storytelling yeah and so like when but if we started crying right now yeah and we are and one thing that you don't know about miss benny and i is this is how we cry like we're really crying hard yeah yeah but anyway like losing the characters yes but the one thing that you don't know about Miss Benny and I is this is how we cry. Like, we're really crying hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, like, losing the characters, yes. But the one thing I really wanted to talk about, and this is important to me as a podcaster. Okay.

So when Carrie gets an ad that she has to read on her podcast for a feminine odor product and can't wrap her head around it. After writing a sex column for decades, mind you. Honey, first of all, let me give you a glimpse into what podcasting is. You're getting mad, you just fucking read it. Yeah. You just fucking read it. There's no integrity involved. They put it in front of you, you read

it, and you make your check, and you go the fuck home. And if anyone should know that, it's Carrie fucking Bradshaw. It blew my mind. It was mind-blowing. And I also just love that she was like, wow, we got a week off of work, or like, whatever. And I also just love that she was like, well, we got a week off of work or like whatever. And I was like, these people, this is like, you literally have scenes where her people that she works with, like all of her colleagues are literally being like, please do this ad.

And she's like, it's just not my style. And I'm like, honey, that blew my mind. It was, it's, it's just like, who is this woman? You know what I mean? Like, and it's just such a misunderstanding of how it all works. And then for the podcast company to fold because it's like, quote unquote, tough for podcasts right now,

it's not. Also, that one ad broke them. They literally are like, we don't do vaginal lubricant. Well, pack it up, girls. We're all going. Look around at this budgeted podcast studio. Also, the podcast producer she was fucking

was hot hot but there was nothing there yeah i don't know i'm also like i'm kind of miss on sex in the city i feel like the men were like really objectified in a way that i really rotate them out they were rotated they were also like naked a lot like i feel like when we saw steve's i will never forget seeing steve like laying on his stomach his stomach and seeing his ass and being like, oh, this is made for me. This is what I want to see. And I feel like there's

not as much sex appeal in the men in the show. And the men are attractive, so I'm like, there could be. They're not being utilized in that way. It feels like a neutered version of the show, which is bizarre. It's strange to have a show based around, I guess it's not based on sex anymore, but like but I want to see this. We got lots of good ass in Glamorous.

We did get some good ass in Glamorous, and we didn't know how much was going to make it because we shot every scene that we did that had nudity, we shot it at every stage of nudity. I see. You got the PG version. Yeah, we did all of them just in case, and they used most of them.

I was actually really shocked to find out that there Was a lot of butt in the show. Oh, yeah There's so much button the show and quality but too and also like I just love when you have a gay director Mm-hmm And they framed the ass in the shot like David Warren who directed the Provincetown episode if he thinks that people don't know what he was Doing with Zane Phillips his ass in that scene where he's made Zane is standing on the diving board And it's like we're all in the foreground like playing in the pool and then it's just zane's like 15 out of 10 ass

just like standing on the diving board i was just like it's so funny because he's so gorgeous that you just laugh it's almost not human like i talked to him about this one time i was like he's so sexy that it's like there's no sex to me anymore like i literally have like he's so i've now like just see him as like oh you're like an action figure i know it was also funny because marco like netflix had this like really funny attitude towards marco where it's like marco's like having sex and doing drugs and like doing all these young adult things but also like marco's a sweetheart we need to like protect marco it's like a little virginal i was like okay you're like no marco's a whore no i was like literally marco is like fucking around on this show it's

crazy and um anytime everyone else had to be naked i was like always the most covered up to the point that it created this narrative on set that people were like if you're not comfortable you can keep your shirt on in this i was like i want to be naked yeah i remember people to see me i want my body to be out. There's like a whole, we shot the, we did like an underwear party sequence and it's like

a hundred extras in jock straps and then us and our little tighty whities and they were just telling us to do stuff so it was like go to the DJ booth

and stand on this desk and like dance and do a shot and then at one point they had Michael C. Rosen walking down a line of background actors kissing them on the cheek.

And then me on a stripper pole. And I'm supposed to be like dancing on. And we were so fatigued and tired. Cause you know, when you've been filming in a hot studio for so long that eventually you're just like saying whatever they ask. You're like, sure. So I like did like a minute long take where I like, I did things that God would not be proud of.

And I remember the note I got back the next day was that Netflix watched the dailies and were like, so, Miss Binnie on a pole. That was a lot. And I was like, sorry, I did not mean. And it was used for half a second in the cut. Yeah, I mean, that's why you give them options. Yeah. I'm going to give you what it feels like

to actually be up on this pole. Yeah, I was like, listen, if we get one sex moment in the show where someone gets to be an absolute whore, I'm going to claim it. I'll never forget getting to set. I think Joel and I landed on set, and I think you guys had just done that very acrobatic sex sequence. Oh, yeah. You and Graham had, I guess, really went for it just before we got out there. We had just sex and making out which

was cut into a 30 second montage and it was so funny because me and graham up to that point were very friendly but we hadn't really like had like a moment yet because we hadn't really shot anything very intimate like that and then like day four of just like consistently making out and being like oiled up because like he was always naked so he's like oiled up in body makeup i have like heels and ruffles on because once again they will not let me show any inch of skin and she's a lady i know there's actually a scene where and i remember fighting with the director about this because it was so crazy but i'm supposed to completely take off that whole outfit in the scene and so every time we reset i had to literally like re-button and re-put on

everything and then take it all off again and I was like being an actor is so hard being an actor faking sex and also the famous story from that is that Graham is naked naked barefoot dripping out of the shower and I'm wearing these Alexander McQueen shoes

with these three spikes on the end that are legitimately weapons and I kept telling everyone on set oh yeah you heard him right yeah i was like these will hurt somebody like please be careful and then in the scene because marco's a top i'm supposed to like whip him around and push him down and i remember we did like 20 takes of it and then the last take i like pulled him in for the kiss and when i whipped him around i heard a pop as if someone had stepped on a balloon and then when I pushed him down he had like a wince on his

face and I was like I just I thought I did good and maybe the kiss wasn't featuring like I was like wondering why he looked so like distraught and then we looked down and there was like a puddle of blood. Oh my God. He had stepped on the spikes and I essentially twisted him onto the spikes and then

you impaled the girl i did yeah and then uh and not just in a twink top way i know yeah lots of impaling yeah sex montage meant a lot of things in that in that moment and to this day he still has like a three-pronged scar on the bottom of his foot shut the fuck up and i think he owns a part of netflix now i think that was part of the yeah that was it it's like years, I heard a story about like, well, I won't say what massive theme park it was. But a friend of mine went. It was Dollywood.

It wasn't. Sorry, Dolly. No injuries have ever happened there, I'm sure. She just clicked off of this right now. She was like, I'm not listening to this no more. By the way, you're a star, Dolly. But someone, I guess, was at this massive theme park chain. And like, you know, those like umbrellas that you put in a hole on a table so like if it's really windy it

could come out of the hole ostensibly oh my god so i guess the umbrella the umbrella flew out of the hole because a gust of wind came and you know the top of those umbrellas have those pointy tops no no so it flew over and lodged into my friend's little brother's head. Okay. And it was the kind of thing where it went into his skull. And it was the kind of thing where it was like, oh, wow, this traumatic thing has just happened and I feel no pain. Right.

And so first aid came over and like took care of it. And apparently they get to go to that theme park now for the rest of their lives for free as long as they don't ever say anything. Okay. And I won't say... So you're telling the story right now. They are at that theme park right now being removed.

They're like, you told somebody. You shouldn't have told your fucking blabbermouth gay friend with the podcast. Radio mouth over here. I know, period. That is crazy. It was completely insane. Every time I see those umbrellas

that are locked into the table, I'm like, this is a, period. That is crazy. It was completely insane. Every time I see those umbrellas that are locked into the table I'm like, this is a bad idea. Am I crazy? It's just like, it's too much. There's gotta be a better way. I literally watched, I was at the beach the other day and somebody had one of those umbrellas you screw into the sand and it had come out and flew over and literally almost

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Or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I

encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ,

three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through.

Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women and TNI. Well, we have no problem going there. Listen to levels to this with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby and I Heart Women's Sports Production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Speaking of formative experiences, like the traumatic experience that my friend's little brother went through. Right. We're going to transition now to this part of the podcast, which is really the central question of this podcast. And I'm thrilled that I get to talk to you about this

because I know it's going to be a thrilling, engrossing answer, which is Miss Benny. Okay. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is that thing that you can look back and you're like, when I consumed this culture, when I was privy to this pop culture, that's when I can pinpoint me becoming who I am I'm really excited to say this because I'm

curious if you were also this person but for me it was always always always I could sim off a hundred stories about America's Next Top Model particularly one of my earliest trans thoughts and memories that should have like illuminated everything to me was

when I was a kid I would watch the show and I would dream of and not dream of in a way of like that would be fun it's like I legitimately was like this will happen

for me I was like I'm gonna be on this show I'm gonna be one of the contestants and I remember I would tell that to people and they'd be like oh if they ever add like

boys to the cast and I literally was like what the fuck do you mean you were like you don't fucking I was like that literally don't talk don't talk you are a denim vest don't talk I was like, what the fuck do you mean? You were like, you don't fucking get it. I was like, that literally is, don't talk, don't talk.

You are a denim vest, don't talk. I was like, we're not doing that. And then when they actually eventually added boys to the show, I stopped watching. I was like, well, this is not the show that I wanted. I wanted to be one of the girls. I wanted to go to Rome. I wanted to like do all of the Tyra Banks,

like trauma shenanigans. You want to do go-sees. Yes, I wanted to go on the go-sees and have them tell me that I'm too southern. That's what I wanted. I wanted to go after all of those and go, booked. I wanted to have my confessional moment. I wanted to hook up with a boy in Italy and cry about it.

I wanted to have the whole thing. It was also my first time I ever saw gay people. It was the first time I ever saw a trans person with ISIS King. I remember her experience on the show. That time in television was just crazy and obviously America's Ex-Tomato was very famously like when people watch it back they're gagged at what made it on tv at the time problematic culture but it was formative culture formative and I remember

Isis on the show specifically was the first time I ever heard of what being trans was and it was crazy because she was like met with so much blatant transphobia I mean they were just like zooming in on her body in very crazy ways during like all of these photo shoots and i remember just being like this is insane that they're treating her this way but also feeling like i'm so i like see myself in this person for the first time and she was like one of the girls one of the models and like i remember it was just like so cool to me to watch queer people on a show like that. Yeah. And it was like somehow able to like sneak that into my like conservative Christian household

because my sister liked it and it was seen as like a girly thing. Right. So if I watched it, it was like, oh, that's just because. It's on. Yeah, it's on. Yeah. Might as well. But I fully like with the little digital camera we had, I would like hang things on my body

and like pose. And I remember Eva in cycle three, like had this famous photo with this tarantula on her oh yeah iconic and where her hands like cascading over her eye and maybe the best picture ever taken on that series to this day if someone's ever like be fierce i'm like yeah it's like my go-to pose as a joke it's the little v over the eye uh-huh which is like by the way one of the corniest posts you could possibly do that's maybe why I like it so much is because I like- We are those girls.

We are the comedy queens. Literally. Literally. Wow. Okay, wait. The fact that you were the only one on set that understood

when I said literally where it came from. There's so many, particularly my favorite thing about filming with you is you were one of the only people that understood my like random

drag race references. Because everyone can do the back rolls moments. But I remember I was like, let's take a second to see how this goes. And I was the only person. Oh, please. Because there's nothing more important to me, and we will get back to that model,

but the thing I think is the funniest thing in the world is cadences. When people say things a certain way, like the choice of literally, like to me, it's like, I will always say to Bowen, I'll just go literally.

And I can see him sort of knowing what it is. Like some people in my life sort of knowing what it is, but I do have to always remind people. The one time I did not have to remind people where it was from was you. My best friend, buddy always makes fun of me because if I say something with a particular cadence and he doesn't recognize what it's from he's like what like 2008 reality show i'm constantly doing from top model there's a moment where i think it's cycle six it's whatever nicole's season was but she was great there's like an argument between

lisa and this other girl who i'm forgetting the name of right now and she literally is like calling her out for something there goes and what are you doing stupid alcoholic bitch i say that constantly if someone's ever like oh benny you're like you're in the wrong lane or something i'll be like and what are you doing it's my favorite thing in the world there were so much from that show that like remained in pop culture not even just as like you know a funny tyra thing or like a funny thing about the contestants but just reality show culture like there are two beautiful girls standing in front of me I only have one photo in my hand

Takara you know what I mean Sudi and I always go my friend Sudi and I always go Takara like whenever we have to like say something I always do anytime I'm talking about anything to do with Brazil. There's something about the season

with Melrose and Carrie D, which is my favorite. Unhinged. Those girls were out for blood. They were completely insane. Carrie D was completely insane. Remember the runway, the final runway, which was them screaming down the hallway? They were doing this Alexander McQueen screeching thing. Yeah, that was insane. I love that

show. It was amazing. And I know that it's aged in such a crazy way, but there's just nothing quite like the moment where I forget the name of the girl who literally like faints in the middle of the judging. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then they just like resume judging afterwards. Like it is the craziest.

Yeah, I think Tyra was like, and this is the reason why we drink water. Okay, keep it going. She's like, when I was a model working backstage, if I fainted, I just went out there and I fainted the reason why we drink water okay keep it going she's like when I was a model working backstage if I fainted I just went out there and I fainted on stage yeah and I made it part

of the show also just the pop culture of every single time the makeovers came Tyra being like you're gonna have a pixie cut like Mia Farrow yeah

and you're gonna have long straight hair like Naomi Campbell yeah always the same references and she always talked so highly of Naomi which was so wild when you were also a fan

of like the Tyra Banks show. Oh yeah. Oh, I loved it. I ate it all up. I mean, one of the great YouTube videos you can go back and rewatch is the Tyra and Naomi interview

on the Tyra Banks show. Where there's no audience and it's literally just them two just like... Just like, the way they couldn't get there and they had to clearly like have a commercial break

and the producers had to say to Naomi like, hey, like, we definitely need some resolution here. Like, or it's going to be really bad. I dream of having that.

Actually, Tara, I do apologize. Yeah. And she's like, I don't know what for, but I apologize. It's not that deep. I love love love.

It's not that deep is a moment in culture. So good. And I also, my favorite quote from that too is when Tyra's talking about something that naomi said at a photo shoot she's like you came over to me and you said you know what you said and naomi goes what did i say what did i say it's so fair she's like excited she's

like kicking about it what did i she's like what did i get you with oh my god how did i get you together that day little girl and then i think it was that she had said something of like i heard what you were saying about me earlier bitch and then like walked away and i'm like okay first of all if i said that to somebody it would absolutely be funny like it would be a joke i'd be like i heard what you said about me that's what i love about being not that's what i love about being queer but like the thing is like pride is over and and and like i said i am sobbing fully and like this is the thing about me but that is something at least that is like gifted to us is it's like nothing is ever that serious right and like unless it is but like if i came over to you during a take and was like i heard what you said about me you fucking bitch i know you would laugh

yeah of course whereas back in the model days of tyra and naomi there was no laughing there was nowhere yeah oh my god and then just to like really i mean the pinnacle of like pop model personalities was jade because how else could you ever top that i mean prototype villain i wonder where she is now i would love you to have her on the pod if you haven't already like that open invite it would be iconic she understood reality tv before i think people understood how to do reality tv it was like oh her and tiffany pollard like it was like two people who understood how to do this and can we just say justice for all of these mostly women who got the bad rap of like oh she's a villain she's the quote-unquote bitch like whatever no no what they were doing was giving you something to watch right it's like if you go back this is probably before your time too

but like years and years and years ago I know you're a survivor queen jerry manthy on the second season of survivor australian outback she was like a aspiring actress she she did well in the competition she was unabashedly horny she was devious she was like one of the girls cackling she was making up lies about other people she said that one of the like literally and she did well and she had such a bad reputation at the time in the media because she was like, you know, like the vixen and like the bitch goddess of the island and like the villain and the antagonist. Meanwhile, if she competed on Survivor today,

people would be like, that's genius that you made everyone think he smuggled in beef jerky. That's amazing you told that person they said something bitchy about them because that's how you win now. People caught on. These antagonists,

these girls that were doing the show and getting in each other's heads and doing reality television that got this bad rap at the time and probably couldn't leave the house would be celebrated today and we celebrate them on this podcast.

Absolutely. I feel like gay people have always been a little in on that. I was just, okay, this is crazy, but when I was with Zayn last night, we were at some party that Parvati was at. Oh, yeah, yeah. Parvati's very around. I watched the finale of Survivor with Parvati

this year. Oh, my God. So you're a blessed child. That is so lucky of you. Did you get to engage with Parvati? Yes. And the person who was hosting this party was like, hey, I know this is funny, but this is real. I've hidden a hidden immunity idol at this party. And so, whoever

finds it, I don't remember what the prize actually was, but it was like, you have to find it. And so, me, of course, me and Zayn were like, we will burn this house down. Wait, this happened last night? This happened last night. Because this same thing happened at the finale party I was at her with. I'm wondering if this is something she does at parties. Maybe she does because she knows we

won it because when we met her, we were like skirting around the fact that we're all like, this is a firefly legend. This is crazy. And so the next thing I know, Parvati's giving us tips on where to look because she had her notes and hints that were given. Then it looks like we're just

robbing this person's house because I'm like... You're like in the bathroom going through cabinets. No, but listen. If somebody who's hosting a party... By the way, didn't know the host before this. If somebody's hosting a party that you're going to and you don't know them very well and they tell you I've hidden a hate immunity idol,

you need to find it. You're then negotiating with yourself, how serious can I take this? Yeah, is this carte blanche? Because I'm going through your pills. We opened the microwave. We're going through drawers. There was a room microwave. Yeah. We're like going through drawers. Like there was a room that was closed.

And I was like, do I go in there? Like I was like, I don't know what the rules are. Because you know who would go in there? Parvati. Parvati. And then guess what? About an hour into it, I went up to the host and asked for another hint. And was like, I think I know it's probably over here.

And they were like, somebody found it. And I think it was Parvati. I really do. Well, she's so good at that. And so then we went up to Parvati and we were like but whoever gets the idol probably isn't gonna

tell anyone about it right and she was like yeah I've heard that that's probably the right way to do it isn't it funny like when you meet Parvati in person

and she like is Parvati yes you know what I mean like it's been years since she was on the show but it's giving Parv yes she's perfect

she's perfect every season I've watched with her in it I'm just like if I was in that competition and she was there I would sacrifice myself for her

yeah in any way I'd be like she is one of them too though like cause she also was like on Survivor at that time yeah

where now I think looking back and I think like true Survivor fans like always do think of her as one of the greats obviously because she is

but at the time I remember her first season like which was Cook Island she was looked at as like oh she's the flirtatious one like her game is not to be taken seriously etc to the point where i remember when she came back for micronesia which she ended up winning again everyone was like oh we know her game already like it doesn't work then it worked beautifully and what I love is seeing girls come on the show and try to do

the Parvati thing and I'm like girl you could never be Parvati you could never be Parv everyone wants to oh my god that's my favorite thing

is when people are like what kind of game do you think you're gonna play cause you know I watch all the pre-interviews of course and people are like I think I'm gonna be like Parvati

I'm like shut up the thing about Parvati that watching it, um, that truly gets me every time is, like, she somehow has this, like, aura of I'm, like, so clued in, but I also don't give a fuck. Yeah.

She truly, like, knows how to give somebody just enough attention in a way that does, and that's something that I absolutely don't have as a person like I fully will give way too much to somebody because I'm like this is what you want right

but she like in every conversation she had she just felt like she was like we're the cool ones yeah she's never done too much in her life no

I don't think she even knows what that feels like and so every time I watch her I was just like taking like social notes on how to speak to people 100% she's so good

social notes that you probably were not taking during Top Model because they were the collection of the craziest people in America. No, I think Top Model like formed me and then poverty is me trying to unform. Yeah, refine you. Yeah, I'm trying to like take what I have and like fix it. Okay, so America's Top Model culture, like that was formative. Do you have, just to throw out there, do you have a picture in your mind of who the best, not winner, but contestant in America's next top model history is?

Like who is the most iconic? And it can be a winner. Who is the most iconic? Oh, that's a hard one. I do feel like when people post clips of top model, obviously like not of Tyra, I feel like it is Jade. Like I do feel like it has to be her.

I feel like I remember vividly the warfare when Alice in Harvard did not win her season of Psycho Child. And I remember just how scary it was to be a Top Model fan at that time because it felt like our world was being shattered. Who was scared? I was scared.

I was scared, yeah. I think that like I'd never seen like a fan favorite on that show more than her and I've met her a couple times now and every single time

she like, you know when you meet someone that like you really admire and they're famous and they've like worked on something years ago and you don't want to like ask them about it

so you just like talk to them and they like refer to this thing that they did and they're like, oh yeah, I did this show when I was like 20 that was like super crazy

and now you have to like be like, oh cool, like what was the, what was it? And they're like oh yeah i did this show when i was like 20 that was like super crazy and now you have to like be like oh cool like oh wow what was the what was it and they're like oh it's like it's america's next top model and you're like oh that's so yeah i've seen that so did you play that game or were you you did oh i'm of course that girl are you kidding me again you were being carved you could not give too much no i can't because it'd be too much to give too much i always i feel like it's better now to just be like, I saw this thing. I know this thing. You're really good at that though. I will say like when you meet the girls, you're really good about just being like, I worship

you and we can move on. Like I feel, because I feel like it does get it out of the way because then all of a sudden you realize you're like drained later when you're trying, especially like when you yourself are meeting someone like and then they reveal like i've been on dates very good where thank you so much i've been on dates period okay end of podcast um no but like i've been on dates and like it'll be like the third or fourth date that someone will be like hey i just feel at this point it's a little weird and i want to tell you like i do listen to the podcast or I do watch this show or I do

know this movie or I do know this thing or even sometimes like I've actually been to your shows and at that point I'm just like see and now being on that side of it now I really know just tell people the knowledge that you have you have to acknowledge it and move on

cause all of a sudden it's like, honey. Because then it feels like they've been hiding something from you. Yeah. And it's like, well, now I feel like looking back on every interaction, I'm like, this was all colored by you knowing me versus I would have just known that before. Yeah. That's interesting.

I would never think like, oh, what was your motive until now? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's creepy. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Are you partnered up right now? Are you booing? You know, I'm saying? That's creepy. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Are you partnered up right now? Are you booing? You know, she's taking care of...

Oh my God, the coquettish nature of your answer. It's so crazy of me. I don't know. I have this like... She's taking care of, she said. You know that... I know, I don't know what the fuck that was. I'm so sorry.

She's having orgasms. You know she's having orgasms. She's very and just like that. But you know what's so funny is I have this like because of the era that I became like privy to pop culture. Uh huh. I'm like so burned in my brain with 2008 Logic

where I'm like when you're a public figure you need to be like so open. People need to feel like they could have you if they knew you. Okay talk about this. Cause you know how like think about like Justin Bieber or or any of these pop stars early on. It was always like you want the audience to feel like you're attainable

and if you were dating somebody I mean, I think of a lot of these boy bands and pop stars who, like, it was always like oh, you know, I'm really talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a promise ring on. Ariana Grande being like I'm just flirting. Yeah, yeah.

And so I have that burned in my brain, which is like not how it just flirting. Yeah. I'm just, yeah. Yeah. And so I have that burned in my brain, which is like not how it is now to the point that like if I go on a date with anyone or I meet anyone or anything's going on, like I hold that so close to my chest. Like the world is banging on the door to know anything about my life. It's so frightening. And I will say the weird thing now about being like on the like weird like Z list of gay famous is like the ways that people recognize me and know of me previously are so weird where it's like if I go to like Forever 21, someone will know me. If I go to like a Mac store, someone will know me. But people also like grew up with my music and my YouTube videos.

Yeah. To the point that now like even on like the apps, someone will message me and be like, oh my God, I like grew up with your music and my YouTube videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To the point that now, like, even on, like, the apps, someone will message me and be like, oh, my God, I, like, grew up with your music or whatever. Like, it's so great. And then they, like, send the folder. And I'm like, that is the strangest segue. Yeah.

Or, like, I don't know what to do. It's like, hey, I don't think so, honey, if this is not actually you. Ha, ha, ha. Oh, yeah. And then you see their hole. Yeah. And I'm like oh my god. It's like if you sat on Santa's lap and were like what are you doing there?

Why don't you come home and open my boxes? Santa I just want to let you know that I grew up with you I've been leaving cookies out for you all my life. Here's a picture of me sliding into someone else. No. I'm like oh my god. And then it's like a voice message. We're Santa. Santa's hot though. I guess now I'm humanizing. I'm Santa's like a voice message. Or Santa. Santa's hot though.

I guess now I'm humanizing. I'm Santa, I guess, in this context. Would you fuck Santa? Yeah. You would? Yeah. I mean, you have to remember, I'm like. But imagine the steps to this moment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would need to know like this isn't a Santa impersonation. I need to know like this is real. Santa's real, first of all. Well, first of all, let's exist in mall logic, right? So when you go to the mall, that's Santa's real first of all Well first of all let's exist in mall logic right So when you go to the mall That's Santa So like just know when you meet Santa that is Santa

Yeah The dick of death I would take the dick of death from Santa I am ready for Santa Do you think he gives the dick of death I think so Probably Yeah he says ho ho ho

That's so true Do you think he's faithful to mrs claus I think there's no way he's what faithful to mrs claus I think they're open and I think she's plugging up at home too you think so yeah she got listen think about the north pole think about all of these like workers that like grow up eventually they can't always work in the toy factory oh my god so years and years and years ago this is back in the day when like doing comedy when i was in like you know the late aughts like 2008 2009 2010 like this is when i was like starting to like do comedy and one of the things that was very sort of common about doing comedy at that time was like you would do a comedy rap so years ago i wrote a comedy rap

that actually does exist online that's called when santa leave and it's about when santa leaves the north pole how high everyone gets because it's a celebration and there was a verse that i wrote as mrs claus and it was sort of talking about how what a whore she is and there was a theme now in your creative process. I love it. All I want is for everyone to be a whore. A woman in Christmas? She's a whore. She gets around. It was literally like, you got a North Pole,

I got a tight hole. It was like the most basic. And again, it was like I would never perform it again because again, I don't think the world needs me to be rapping. But at the time, it's just like lonely island culture. It was like, yeah, we're rapping. That's comedy.

And so I just ripped this viciously whorish line as Mrs. Claus, and I continue to talk about her in my Christmas content. I'm fascinated by her, but I hope she's getting fucked. I hope so too. I mean, here's the thing. Mrs. Claus and Santa are immortal. So they figured it out. They've got a system I'm sure. Like I imagine

they're not like new to this. They've had a lot of time. They're true to this. Wait that's actually a little close to number 50. Mrs. Claus and Santa aren't new to this. They're true to this. Yeah and that's the Christmas spirit. They figured it out. So you think that it's a little bit like you know maybe like Tom Cruise-y.

It's like the sort of images. Here's a question just amongst, you know, a question for the culture. Just for the culture. Do you think they are in the open situation where they, it's like out of sight, out of mind? Like when he's gone, they can... That's my preferred situation.

Okay, or do you think they're more of like, he goes and does it, she has her moment, and then they come home and they talk about it i hope not here's you can't lie though because you'll be on the naughty list i know so literally if he's like what did you do last night she goes you don't want to know about it like and now all of a sudden i really want to know about it oh my god i would imagine that with them it's like there's no one else in the world for them so there's no reason to not be brutally honest you know what i'm saying yeah because i mean like i guess i'll say this i would sleep with santa yeah i wouldn't date santa no that's too much because first of all he's so busy always on the road always on the road and also you know you're not the only girl yeah and you don't catch feelings

you can't catch feelings do you catch feelings easy you do um i i don't know i mean i can truly coffee with michael sue rosen and you're talking about him months later on the podcast and i did just say i would sleep with santa so i guess so it's giving whore yeah it's giving easy floozy is the word i've been using lately title of app yeah listen she is the discount doll everyone can purchase discount doll maybe is a better title of app uh yeah i i can really romanticize anyone yeah i think truly like i think about when i first started dating and i was like i don't know like like my best friend for example can be single for like a really long time and be so happy and like he's truly he's like at such high standards which i think is good yeah i on the other hand of like i am always booed up in

some form and so like for me i'm like what do you mean you can't find somebody that you like love and enjoy like yeah i can i love everyone i can enjoy anyone my therapist threw at me the other day not the other day this is a few months ago she goes i don't know do you think maybe we're a little bit of a love addict yeah and i was like uh what do you mean? She was like, I think you might be addicted to the idea of and concept of being in love and being partnered and like that excitement and that rush, which then did end up playing itself out in a way.

So now it's like, when you know you're susceptible to that, it's actually good to know because like it's a lot of emotional energy and like you also know it's like when you know you're susceptible to that, it's actually good to know because like it's a lot of emotional energy. And like you also know it's less about the person and it is you. You're looking for something. Don't necessarily like think you're finding it everywhere. You know what it also is too?

Like I this isn't like a new thought. Like I definitely know people on like TikTok are talking about this, but it's like it's also also the thing of, I can entertain myself on a date no matter what. If somebody is like not giving me anything, I can like make that fun for myself. And that's the part that I think is dangerous though, because when you're on a date and you're sort of thinking about it, like I'm going to crush this date. Yeah. That is different than connecting with a person. And all of a sudden you leave and you're like, that went well.

And it's like, no bitch, you turned it because you're the moment. I turned it out bitch you turned it because you're the moment i turned it out you turned it because you're the moment but you didn't like the person yeah condragulations but condragulations you were the winner of this challenge yeah but there's no immunity no i fully i fully dated this boy one time for like it was like two or three dates and i remember like being so gushy about him to my friends but then like i had no anecdotes or like stories to tell. I was just like, but I just feel so good on the dates. It's like,

oh, it's because I'm doing a tight under 10. Like I'm showing up and being like, you'll never believe what happened to me this week. Yeah. And I love that. Cause I love me. Exactly.

When you live for your fantasy, when you are your own diva, when you are your own diva, you are the doll. Yes. And that's actually real culture. Number 99. When you are your own diva,

you are the doll. But this is just a question Real Culture number 99. When you are your own diva, you are the doll. The doll. But this is just a question that I have because I do this all the time. Because I have this, I don't know if it's because I have a background in writing or because I'm a performer or whatever. I often will show up on dates. And now I really try not to do this. But I used to show up on dates all the time with a line I was going to say. With like a joke I was going to open with.

An icebreaker. Are you giving rehearsed? I'm in the same boat as you where I have to try to for everything though where it's like if I'm going I mean this is social anxiety hi hello yeah of course thank you um I medication every situation I go into with like a opening icebreaker and I'm trying to break that

because then what happens is if it doesn't land my life's over like the situation's done if we had started this pod and like we didn't immediately start kicking right away i would have been i would have left well that's why i was so excited you were coming is because i was like i don't have i feel like i could just show up with miss benny and just you know it's the girls and i've always felt that about you i've always felt that about you you're my girl we have like the weirdest i feel like upbringing is like social friends because i feel like I met you at Betty Who.

I saw you here and there. And then we ended up- Pandemic queen. Yeah. And then we randomly ended up at a Jessica Simpson book tour moment. Oh my God. Do you remember that? And the PETA running on stage moment.

Yeah. Quickly, before we get into, I don't think so, honey, we have to relive this moment. So we were at Jessica Simpson's, what was she? She was being interviewed by katherine schwarzenegger lots to unpack there who was married to chris pratt is she not anymore who is married to i think they are so like katherine was interviewing jessica simpson about her inspiring new book open book and you know like the queers we are we were like we're absolutely going to this and i should have known of course that y'all would be there and also the fact that it was like a two-hour book q a moment and i don't believe

anything was said no but i loved it there was then the moment where a pita representative yeah represented i almost said representative i'm like a person they certainly were representing pita when they work let me tell you that so they're giving a pita their mind a pita their mind i'm gonna stand up and give you a pita something pita my heart take another little one um so basically they stand up like and they waited a long time like this is like an hour-long conversation they waited what had to be like 45 minutes okay to then get up and scream at j at Jessica for using fur. It was crazy because I don't

know if you remember, but it was one person who was in like the middle of the aisle so like they couldn't really remove them and then that person, I don't know how it got handled and then like popcorn they just showed up around everywhere a bunch of people. They had organized where they were sitting to where I didn't, I thought you were going to stand up

I know, all of us can you the gag that would have been had I stood up and been like hey Jessica stop using fur like if I had been

like a crazy person honestly though my social anxiety not that they're crazy people they have all the right in the world to do this but like in the moment I was just like

wow this is nuts I think what they're advocating for is great but it was scary Jessica Simpson like why are we fighting Jessica Simpson at this moment

yeah in 2000 whatever that was but I guess that's how you do it. You know what I mean? Like, you take your space in the moment to let people know. You go to Jessica Simpson. You go to Jessica Simpson's book signing. You stand up and you scream. You sit there for hours.

Yeah. Make sure that you are not sitting near your friends and then you make it a moment. And honestly, I'll give it to them. That's what I remember about that night. It was my favorite part of the night. Also, watching Jessica fully play it off so well. She was like literally on stage being like, I just love that night. It was my favorite part of the night. Also watching Jessica fully play it off so well. She was like literally on stage being like, I just love my book. My book is the reward that I love.

Well, yeah. And then don't you feel like after they were all doing that, because it was like four or five outbursts of that, I then was kind of like, well, I feel like now you kind of have to speak to this. Yeah. And she did it. Because then the audience was like kind of like,

and so let's talk about it. It was like, okay, so clearly this is something. And she didn't. Because then the audience was like kind of like and so let's talk about it. Yeah it was like okay so clearly this is something that's like an issue so like what is the tea? Like does your billion dollar company use these products? In the same way that you have to address to a celebrity that you love that you know who they are ahead of time. I feel like they needed to address that there were repeated people in the building.

Because then what it created was a sense of unease where I felt like all of us were just like waiting for the next. We weren't even listening to the stories. No it made everyone nervous. Waiting for the nextase where i felt like all of us were just like waiting for the net we weren't even listening to the stories we were like everyone nervous waiting for the next moment where it was yeah is it it's not me i think we even did that bit like i think we did me and vince were like yeah none of us are they also like the thing i remember is we had to go through like a metal detector and put all of our stuff out to check so i'm like where did they put their signs exactly i've been in my racking my brain about this for years. In my mind's eye, it now looks like they fully had a huge plaster sign,

but maybe they didn't. Or paintball guns. Or shooting the red curtains. It was officially a chaotic atmosphere. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it too. I'd go back today. I'd go back today and I want it again. Friends! How could you do this I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.

We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.

We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger.

I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and

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Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Speaking of chaotic atmospheres and doing it again, this is now the segment of the podcast that we do every single time. It's called I Don't Think So, Honey. It's our world-famous segment where we take one minute to rant, rave,

rail, and more against something in culture that absolutely deserves derailing. Okay. We're not the only things that deserve railing, okay? Okay, Mrs. Claus, back in the room. Okay, Mrs. Claus, all of a sudden I'm looking for my pole. Seriously looking for a pole these days too really genuinely

any pole is a goal it's actually been several months since I've had like just an honest to god pole penetrative sex when's the last time

I got fucked a long time okay and if not a pole what six weeks maybe well then there was a little moment there where i was

actually experimenting because i'm kind of newly in my bottom era okay so there was like a moment there where i had like an actual vibrator that i was sticking up there and like it was really thrilling because i've never done that i've never like you know word on the street is prostate play is in baby word on the street is it's actually real culture number nine word on the street is prostate play is in baby being the You're being the pro in prostate. And so all of a sudden, there I am like sort of like really rocking my own ass.

Like while I was jacking off. Rocking your whole world. Rocking your whole world. And I haven't done that in a while. Maybe I will. But also looking for a pole. There's something really funny about talking to somebody about this would be like,

I think I'm going to do that when I get home. Because then it's like, you're going to go home and be like, oh, me and Miss Betty talked about this. I should masturbate now. It's like, oh yeah, I go home and be like, oh, me and Miss Benny talked about this. I should masturbate now. It's like, oh yeah, I meant to put that thing in the mail. Oh yeah, I said I was going to flip the bean real quick.

Let me anally stimulate myself. Anyways, transitioning to this segment. This is I Don't Think So Honey. I'm going to go first. Oh my god, I'm nervous. And then Miss Benny is going to absolutely rock the house. Okay, so this is my matt rogers i don't think so honey and my time starts now i don't think so honey that you can't go to a

concert anymore without wondering is the star on stage gonna get something fucking thrown at them oh my god okay first bb rexa then it happened to just happened to kelsey ballerini it went down with uh pink is being mother's ashes are being thrown at her and a brie cheese being handed a brie cheese like everyone i don't think so honey bring your phone and keep it in your goddamn pocket i don't even think so many people filming the concerts i'm guilty of this but just like if we can't be trusted to have anything honest like that's gonna ruin the concert experience for everyone i have 30 seconds so basically my thing is just like people stop i don't know if it has anything to do with more than like you're trying to give them something.

If you're trying to give Kelsey Ballerini a bracelet, I can send it to the fucking president of the fan club. Okay, don't be throwing things that hit her in the eye. You could seriously hurt her. I don't think so, honey. Like even as a viewer of the concerts now, I'm going to sit there. It's like a Jessica Simpson open book. I don't know what's going to happen next and that's one minute. Wow.

I just can't with, and it happened to someone else too. It was Bebe Rexha got like a fucking huge eye bruise. It was like an android someone threw at her. It was like someone threw a phone. And the guy laughed after. Yeah, then you know who it was? It was Ava Max at the Fonda.

Someone rushed her and like, she essentially got like slapped in the face because a fan got so excited. It's all of our like bubbling pop girls who are like, they have their hits, but they're not like a duo where it's like. It's our bubbling unders. Yeah. Like no one would dare to do it to those girls. So they do it to our girls when that's so evil.

Well, you know what was fucked up was like there was this idea that like, oh, it's just fans getting too excited and like doing things. That's giving people so much credit. And then I was like, actually no and kelsey ballerini actually posted some screenshots of people in her comments being like that's what you get for going woke you think hers was targeted oh my god i think so i believe i mean people were commenting saying it and that even if those instances were not targeted even if it was a stupid fan like being like let me throw this bracelet on stage because i want her to have it it gives people the idea yeah to throw something i'm nervous for maren morris with that in mind i'm like they're going after the country girls and she is the wokest of them all i mean listen it's it's just like getting scarier and scarier especially when you see it happen to four of the girls that

is a lot like that's crazy and then the mother's ashes of it all, it's like, diva, sit down. And I remember days after the Bebe Rexha throwing thing was the clip of when someone, like, came out in front of her to their mom. And what's crazy about that clip is, like, he says, like, I'm going to do this in front of you. And she literally goes, what are you going to do in front of me? Yeah. Fear.

Yeah. Because she's scared now. Yeah, because also it's like- Me too. That could have been anything. If a gay person ever says, I'm going to do this in front of you, I'm running. I'm out of me. Yeah. Fear. Yeah. She's scared now. Yeah, because also it's like, that could have been anything. If a gay person ever says, I'm going to do this in front of you, I'm running.

I'm out of here. I'm taking off my little kitten heels. Let me tell you something. I've been fooled before. I'm going to do this in front of you could mean a lot of things. Yeah. Also, it's just like,

as someone who I guarantee there's people out there that want to throw things at me. It makes me nervous. I would throw fun things at you. Listen, throw a Rosie O'Donnell Koosh ball at me anytime. That was right there in your brain.

You were really ready to say that. I thought of what's soft, and the first thing that jumped out in my fucking little gay brain was Rosie O'Donnell Koosh ball. You got a lot of weird things just on the tip of your tongue ready to go. I think that's what makes me a dynamic podcast host. Okay.

Well, listen, if you think that's true, and I really do hope that everyone still remained listening to this podcast because it's been a thrilling one. Dolly's still listening.

I know that much. I think Dolly... She almost clicked out when we started to almost read her for Dollywood, but she came back. I just think they're so funny.

I love my gay fans. And that was my Dolly part which is, as you just evidenced by my impression, will not be my Snatch Game. Well, you're too busy being on the other side of Snatch Game. Not to compliment you too much for that.

Wait, actually, I have to pause for one second. Was the lip sync your idea, or did that get suggested to y'all? No, so what happens is Oh, you mean the lip sync that we did during the Snatch Game? Yes. No, they were like, and we think it would be funny if you guys did the Red You Wrote You lip sync, the entire

Roxy Andrews verse. They were right lip sync, the entire Roxy Andrews verse. So we did the entire Roxy Andrews verse and the chorus. And they actually only showed the chorus, which to me was like sort of the antithesis of why I wanted to do it. Because I was like, what's so funny is that we're doing the Roxy verse. And I was so happy that any of that made it in there at all. But we actually gave and had choreo for the entire Roxy Andrews verse and that's what was left on the cutting room floor. And it was their idea.

How long did they give you to prep this? We did it once. Wow. We got it in one take but they told us Those are my girls. Because you know they show up in there. Professionals. Yes. But they gave us all day and I'm like dying. Like truly my stomach is dying and then we went out there

and we did turn it. But yeah, that's the sort of backstory. That's how I feel right now doing I Don't Think So Honey. Like I'm genuinely shaking. I'm scared. Don't be scared because you're made for this. And I mean made for this in a macro sense and made from this in a micro sense. You are made for this. I do have Tiger Balm in my bag so if I start

panicking and I grab it just know it's because I've waited my whole life for this moment. Anyway. This is Miss Benny's. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Social media changing and evolving right now. I understand.

We've complained for years about the chronological changes, the ad changes. I don't give a fuck. Show me the ads. Let me see Portia's wardrobe from the White Lotus. I don't care. What I don't like is that we're changing limits. We're adding word counts. Elon Musk, you sis, sissy, and I am saying that as a slur in your case. I cannot

handle it. I miss the days when every social media platform had its own designated thing. I am tired of doing Twitter on Instagram. I am tired of doing YouTube clips, TikToks, Reels. I'm sick of it. I'm a child of the internet and I have grown up. Yes.

I am tired. And you can also follow me on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. 15 seconds. This became a plug. Miss Betty. And on TikTok, I'm, I hate Miss Betty. Because somebody took Miss Betty. And I'm sick of that too.

Five seconds. And I can't do it anymore. Matt. And that's one minute. Oh my God. See, the thing is, I love when you start at an eight and it goes to a 15

and that's levels. And the best part about this is I am overheating and I'm in the middle of doing like vocal feminization and that undid everything that I've worked on. I'm really sorry.

No, it's okay. Listen, but the thing is... Time's over. We don't have to take care of trans people right now. Someone brought up online Exactly. It's like, back to the Back to the old days.

We're back in the shadow now. What if I've been like, I don't think so, honey. More than two genders. Like, me to have that take all of a sudden. The binary is alive suddenly. Oh my god. No, someone said the other day, they were like, can you imagine the election like, with all these fucking rules in place? Like, can you imagine like, when like, we actually need to be able to share? Because it's like, first of all, can you imagine the election with all these fucking rules in place? Can you imagine when we actually need to be able to share?

Because it's like, first of all, can I just say, how about this as an idea? For a social media website, why don't you put someone in charge who has even one iota of what it means to have any social grace at all? This is very clearly someone deeply without any social skills at all. Give Bretman Rock ownership of Twitter. Period.

And that's what I've always said. You've always been saying that. You came in saying it before you said hello. And I didn't know if I should say it on the pod, but I'm here to say it now. I mean, we'd be in better hands. It's just like, this is so poorly thought out. And the way that he kept being like, actually, it's 8,000 that you can see. Actually, it's 10.

He's so crazy. It's like, bitch, ask someone smarter that you can see actually it's 10 it's like bitch like ask someone smarter than you and like I get it they want people to pay for the verification but like mama we're not paying for the verification how long do you think it has I don't know I feel like here's the thing Twitter used to always be my favorite and I remember it was always on the brink of like going away and I feel like now more than ever it feels like it is truly minutes away from it which breaks my heart because I love Twitter and I miss good old Twitter. You know, it's like when Twitter was a fun place, I really did like it.

Then Twitter became an unfun place for all the, you know, reasons, which is just like, you know, you can't go on there without like someone being negative immediately. Everything, nothing translates. It's like, you know, that's almost like why I don't have the personal Twitter anymore. I just use the Lost Coast Twitter. I feel like I get my opinions and things across on this podcast, and you can literally hear a human voice hint at a joke or say whatever the fuck or give some gray area

that's not limited to characters. But it's like Twitter could be such a fun little stupid place. I know. And it's so toxic and so dark. And now with these limitations, it's actually going to make it even harder to communicate. Yeah. Because it's just going to take context away.

It's going to take expanse away. It's going to like literally limit the amount of intake we can have, which should be the antithesis of something like a social media website where like everyone can get their voice across. And that's why it's good. It used to be the first thing that I checked in the morning. I would literally go to Twitter and be like, okay, what's happening? What's new? What's going on in the world? And now

I'm like, you can't trust it for that. And also and this is where I start to empathize with like a little bit of the boomer idea of like, why do things have to change? But truly like I feel like the golden era of social media was when we were able to live tweet things. Yeah. But that I feel like the golden era of social media was when we were able to live tweet things. Yeah.

But that's been a dead concept for so long now. Yeah, because that's not how things appear in the algorithm. Yeah, it's like I could tweet it, it would be completely out of order. And then I also feel like it was so fun because you used to be able to access the famous people that you liked. Or if you were watching a reality TV show,

you could tweet Tyra Banks and she would respond. And now it's like that's not happening. So then it's like like what is this for now the way that I've moved over to Instagram like exclusively has been pretty wild because there's also the flaws of Instagram you know what I mean there's the thing of like oh it's like constantly like a visual

parade of like the perfected versions of everyone like no one's actually being real like it's also not as fun as it used to be anymore then there comes this thing of like when you do get verified and you're a public figure there's like all these other things that go into that and like etc blah blah blah you feel like heady

about it but at least I feel like if I want to find what someone is doing or saying I know how to do it whereas like Twitter just feels like a jumbled mess it has the same like people that you don't even follow you're seeing which a jumbled mess it has the same like people that you don't even follow you're seeing which is what i hate it has the same interface idea as like

scruff have you ever i'm i'm unfortunately like i've never dipped my toe into scruff i've kind of only exclusively been a grinder girl and i've downloaded both before to try them both and i've just tried them both like i just trying to try it all. I just try it. Trisexual. Yeah. I'll try anything. So,

so the Jones, oh my God, when you're sucking his balls, I know. And I, the thing about scruff that always blew my mind because that's what we're talking about now is I, it has like really,

I think a better selection of men in your singles in your area. But the interface is absolutely batshit. And that's how Twitter is becoming. Twitter is the scruff to Instagram's grinder. And if there were one soundbite that I hope you take from this, I hope it's that. Well, that's going to be People Magazine. That's going to be the poll. Hello.

Like last week, we did that episode with Kelly. And what the media chose to pull was kelly clarkson opens up about antidepressant use love that and for you it's gonna be that i scruff is the instagram to grinders twitter uh-huh i'm so brave for coming out and saying that you've been brave this whole time and i want to just really commend you and i want to say i appreciate you and adore you for showing up in your brave truth on Lost Cultureista to speak real truths to power

about the fucking pop culture landscape about app landscape I do love that I've come on here and said nothing about anything to do with transitioning

but said everything about being a Top Model fan being on the app that's Lost Cultureista baby that is and to be honest all of those things

point to transitioning I'm here to tell you right now that if you watch Top Model as a kid and want to be one of the girls, your day is coming. Well, just to touch on that, I was so proud of you about the Time Magazine thing. Thank you. That was beautiful. And we're talking about, you know,

representation and like throwing it all the way back to, you know, the glee of it all. And I would say like, what a beautiful and what a lovely evolving world we are in that the youth and the kids can watch glamorous and see you you're such a star i'm so proud of you and i'm so proud to know you i'm so proud to be a part of the project that has you as the star of it glamorous is streaming now on Netflix. You can watch all the episodes. Listen to the EP Swelter because we didn't get

into it but our girl is also a recording artist and I'm also gagged that you wrote and produced this yourself. That's amazing. Thank you so much. And I'm just like so blown away by you and you have to come back. When Bowen is back I want us all three to rah rah because like you're... And I'm building this story

that me and Bowen have beef and that's why he's not here today. Exactly. So I can't wait to like further develop that. Well, as a result of the beef, Bowen needed to take an extended hiatus from the podcast.

And I want to say that I'm also just so busy flying Shooting Wicked and shooting SNL and coming to LA to do my podcast. Like I totally sympathize and it's hard

when you're this booked like me and Bowen. Blessings to all and Miss Benny's the moment and we do end every episode with a song okay

we're flying first class up in the sky drinking champagne living life in the fast lane I don't know what vocal choice

this is but I won't change by the glamorous. Ooh, the flossy, flossy. If you want to hear that song, listen to Fergie's album, The Duchess. Or go on the rollercoaster Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket in Universal Studios Florida, where you're allowed to

choose a song as you ride on the rollercoaster and that is one of the options. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Bye! and that is one of the options. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Bye. Bye. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison

from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women.

And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.