Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "For The Night" (w/ Charli XCX)

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

Angels, if you're listening? Charli XCX says get chaotic! Her penetrative new album BRAT is out June 7th, and Charli is in studio with Matt & Bowen to chat about Charli's preferred Housewives franchise (Salt Lake City), being a person who tells it like it is, confronting the Having Babies of it all, the Charli-Caroline Polachek-Christine & The Queens SNL performance that never was and Lana Del Rey as an art figure. All this, synesthesia, the London rave scene and party culture, clubbing with parents, performing on the Coachella stage, the upcoming SWEAT tour with Troye Sivan, graphic tee culture, Bowen Yang's thoughts on pubic hair texture, superiority towards reality TV, and Dr. Orna Guralnik. Get tickets to see Charli and Troye! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. We're off to the races here today. We've ate some pret. British culture. British culture. More to come. I will say I'm a little upset about how much almond milk is in this. Okay, if the cameras are picking this up, listeners at home who can't see this,

this is Dunkin' Donuts level chicanery. It's milk with a little bit of iced coffee in it. I was going to use the word chicanery too for the record. And I just want to say I wouldn't even want to walk down the street and people think that I do coffee like this. This is just more almond milk than anything. Can I get an amen up in here in the words of RuPaul? This is just...

There's also like a weird pallid color to it. It doesn't have what I would call a healthy looking color. And you guys all feel me out there. You want coffee, not milk. It looks like chocolate milk. Thank you, Becca.

It looks like chocolate milk, I was going to say. Nesquik rabbit ran amok. Last I checked, I wasn't eight years old in my basement. Bitch. Where I would drink chocolate milk on the regular.

What's your merch story, Matt? Just with like an artist that you love. My merch story? I'm wearing merch. I'm being vulnerable. I'm wearing merch right now. Bowen is in Charlie merch. And by the way, it's very cute merch,

which I say as a compliment to you, the wearer, and you, the seller. My merch story is I'm also currently wearing merch. For driveway dolls. This is Focus Features sent us this merch. And I said, that's cute. And I will wear it on the thing. I didn't know they were going to do this.

They sent it to us. And after seeing the movie Challengers, I thought threesome culture is sort of in. I do think it's the year of the threesome. Of MMF. Of MMF threesome. Yep. And so I'm just sort of encouraging that. Yeah.

Here on the podcast today. I hope you receive. Who knows what happens today during the episode. I don't think it will be an MMF threesome. We've got MMF here. Now, would you say that like if between, let's say like MMF, two dicks, one vag, right? Sure, sure.

Let's just go in with that parameter. Yeah. I might get so like dick confused that i'm like yeah of course there's a vagina in the mix listen all i know is it's not shocking you can't think about it too hard i think when it comes to threesomes you have to just take it moment by moment yeah i've had two in my life uh-huh and getting out of my way was important no i've had three so the first one i was very in my own way the entire time. And I was like, I am doing this with more than one person.

It's a little bit of a brain teaser. And then the second, you just let that go and you have a wonderful time. You know what happened to me the first time? What? I was facing forward, facing someone. Great. True north. And it was true north.

And then jump scare behind me. Literally like, oh! Someone stuck it in? They didn't stick it in. They just kind of nestled behind me. And I was like, oh, I forgot. The crazy thing is when you're facing True North and sort of giving that, aka you're a giving partner.

And then all of a sudden you feel the third kind of really come through the back and you're like, I'm not in that zone right now. I need to know. So let's just all communicate and take it moment by moment, everyone. And that's sort of our treatise.

Challengers. If you want a little educational video, but again, you never see any threesome. No, you're right. Challengers. You don't see any penetration.

Anyway, what's penetrated me is the new album. It's a really penetrative album. Emotionally penetrative. Obviously, sonically and physically penetrative. In the best way, in a way that I invite and I'm open wide for. Angels, if you're listening, this might be offensive to the guests. If you mourn XCX World the way that some of us out here do,

this album is going to give you everything you want and more. You're about to party. We're about to party. But you're also about to feel, and this is what I love about our guest, and it's just so sort of singular and iconic, is what I love is emotional pop music. And you always get our guest's perspective,

her POV, it's always interesting and specific, no matter what it is. I was telling Bowen when we were just at Pret-a-Manger where we have all of our good conversations. I'm a huge fan of our guest's ballads. You're a ballad girl. I'm a ballad girl and you give that and I'm

just so excited. The new album Brat is coming out June 7th. June 7th. She's doing the Brat tour and then she's going to the Sweat tour with Troye Sivan and then she's going back to the Troye Sivan yeah so she's doing

Brat Sweat Brat why are you laughing it's just so funny that I'm just silent that you're just sitting there I'm like

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to don't you worry 1, 2, 3 Charlie XCX that was so fun just listening to you guys gab away

we're gabbers we can say the same thing about what you gab and sing about on your records we're having fun too oh good you are the most fun

you do truly intrinsically understand how to make us have fun oh that's so nice we were having fun on the way and you've got a big day

got a big day we're recording this we're gonna release it closer to the album release but you're going on Seth with Troy. Yeah. And then Watch What Happens Live also with Troy.

Are you on with the housewife? Do you know? No, I'm so sad about that. You're just on solo? No, it's another man. Okay. I couldn't tell you who it is. Yeah, exactly.

And I love that we will find out later who it is when the episode airs and we'll be like, oh, that's who. And I'll be like, I love you. I'm such a fan. Summer House, Martha's Vineyard airs and we'll be like, oh, that's who. And I'll be like, I love you. I'm such a fan.

Summer House, Martha's Vineyard. I love that show. Exactly, exactly, exactly. No, I don't know. I think his name's Joe. Joe. He's Biden. He sounds great.

Joe Biden. It's you and Joe Biden. And honestly, he's going to ask you to be VP. Yeah, it's going to be amazing. He's going to really burn it down. Yeah. We were talking here about last time you were on, you were not as versed in the Bravo verse.

True. And now you are all in on Salt Lake City. Exactly. And you asked us a really important question, which you want to ask us again. Yeah. My question for you both is, are you pro Monica or anti Monica?

Anti, sorry. No, no, no. That's okay. The way we answered was. Anti Monica. We you anti-Monica? Anti, sorry. No, no, no, that's okay. The way we answered was... Anti-Monica. We're anti-Monica. We were... Don't make fun of our guest's accent. No, I say auntie as well.

We were... So my answer was in the beginning, when it all went down, we were very anti. We were like, get her off! None of the women want to film with her like she is not allowed anywhere near them and then now that they

announced that she is no longer there we're like oh it's gonna miss something it's a travesty my thing is like I just want to watch a show where everyone

speaks to each other because it gets boring when you have a cast that's like I'm not talking to her like you'll see like once you branch out to other franchises it's like when a cast that's like I'm not talking to her like you'll see once you branch out to other franchises

it's like when a cast is like not operating as a group it's bad and they were also scorched earth with Monica at the end

like unwilling to speak to her can you give thoughts on Mary Cosby from your Charlie perspective I mean this woman is just

she's on the album she's gonna be on a tab yeah the full remix record is just... She's on the album. She's going to be on a tap. Yeah. The full remix record is just her. It's just Mary. She is... I mean, I don't even know where you begin.

Right. It's like, I love her and I hate her. Sure. But do we all agree? I love her and I hate her. You love her and you hate her? No, that's totally fair. My friend saw her at Sunset Tower.

Oh, wow. She plays. And apparently she was really rude to her. Oh, that tracks 100 million percent. She was like, my friend was like, oh, can I sit here at the bar? And she was like, no. And then my friend was like, do you have someone coming? And she was like, yeah.

And then obviously no one came. And it was just for her bag. Oh, my God, Mary. But then at the same time, I'm like, legend. Yeah, legend. Let her do what she wants. The Inbred comic? I was going to say, and then she called your friend Inbred or something. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, Mary. But then at the same time, I'm like, That's Mary. Legend. Yeah, legend. Let her do what she wants. The inbred comment?

Yeah. I was going to say, and then she called your friend inbred or something. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the inbred comment followed up with Heather asking her, did you really call me inbred? And she goes, I did. I did.

I guess. Iconic. Like, yeah, you dumb bitch, I did. Do you realize that kind of comment? I do. I do. And then when they like went through it at the reunion too, it was so bizarre because Heather was kind of just like threw up her hands

and was like, listen, I respect that she said it. She speaks her truth. It's like, can you please just swing one fist? Heather. Do we all agree though? They talk to her like she's five years old. Either she's a mental patient, which she might be and like she's a fiver.

They're afraid of her. They're afraid. I mean, she gets a lot of free passes. Yeah. You know? Because, well, that was funny when she was on

Watch What Happens Live. Like they asked her a question, like, why'd you come back? And she fully just goes, to help you guys out. And I said, not a lie.

But again, I mean, love. Love. Because you want to know why there's like not a thirsty bone in her body or like a bothered bone in her body? Because you can tell she doesn't really get it. So she's just like going to show up and say whatever the fuck it is.

The rumor is now that she called Lisa Barlow's youngest son the R word. That is the rumor that's happening for next season. Thoughts on that? You don't have to read that. I see. I see. I can imagine it happening. You can imagine have to read that. I see, I see, I see. I can imagine it happening. You can imagine it happening.

Yeah. I can imagine it happening. I'm fascinated by her wardrobe. Yes. And the choices. And the choices. Many colors,

many patterns. It's like she got dressed in the dark five times in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she just went out with all of it on. And isn't it funny

that she's like the fashion girl? She's the fashion girl. I mean, the thing is, she's going to fashion girl? She's the fashion girl. I mean, the thing is, she's going to come for us. So are you ready? No. If she hears this,

she's coming for us. I wonder. I don't think she cares. I don't think she cares what we think. Yeah, maybe. That would be a chic feud for you though.

Charlie XCX and Mary M. Cosby. That's what no one would ever see coming. No, it would be so good. It would be so good. I be so good I'm pro Monica you're pro Monica that's great

I just want to pivot back to that I'm pro Monica and you said to us what she did wasn't really that bad and we agree but it would be like if Troy ran a troll account for like an anti Charlie Troy like everyone leave after my set but is but is,

was she, okay, here's the thing. I'm pretty like flag in the sand on like, I'm pro Monica. Yeah. But I haven't actually done much research into reality Vontaze. So I'm basing that on nothing.

Yeah. But I've heard from friends who I trust dearly that she wasn't really like talking shit about the women. So she was, it was really more of a Jen Shah thing. Yeah. And obviously that was her narrative on the show, which I was a little bit like, okay,

like, but you know, God love her. But I was like, surely she's using that a little bit. But my reliable friends say that was the case, that she wasn't really talking about the women i believe you're reliable friends so then i'm just like also i'm like guys you're on house

wise yeah you know what it was though you know she caught calling kessel black 100 she ran out of steam when it came to defending herself and explaining it like i felt like she sort of like threw up the white flag as it were when it was go time. It was like, okay, this is the reunion. Explain what it was and what exonerates you about this. And it felt like she kind of just took it

because she got confused and started to lean into the villain narrative. Thinking that's what people would want when it was like, no, what you want is to stay on the show and they won't film with you unless you can get them on board. And then want when it was like, no, what you want is to stay on the show and they won't film with you unless you can get them on board. And then I think she was like gearing up to bring out that burn book prop.

She was like prop focused. Ooh, that was rough and a half. The burn book didn't land. No. No. That all went a bit awry, didn't it? I think so. You've got a Mean Girls track on your album. I have. I love this song. Love it. Oh, thank you. Because it really is for that girl. Thank you.

And for gays that are trying to be that girl that day. Yeah. You know what's interesting about that song is, I'm going to take these off. Do I have marks there? No, you don't. Okay, excellent. So the thing is about the Mean Girls song on my album

is that it's kind of like... A fascination with women like that in the culture. Yeah. Oh, you know what? I was actually totally in my brain talking about a different song on my record. No, I know. I remember we were talking about Mean Girls.

Yeah, sorry. No, that really is just about like being a bitch. Yeah. Which we love. Which we love. Which we love. What song were you thinking of sorry

I was thinking sorry I was thinking about Girls So Confusing yeah wait I have questions about this and okay

you don't have to I wonder if you have answers I think you've already and look we're not entitled to any information okay

who's this about no I Miriam Cosby totally no you know I haven't this is early yes like this is the first time I've spoken Miriam Cosby totally this is early this is the first time I've spoken about this song

you guys are the first people to ask me so I haven't quite decided whether I'm revealing when I wrote it I was like I'm revealing but now the time is here I'm like I'm revealing do you think I should reveal? not for your benefit just in? I think. Don't,

not for your benefit, just in general. I think that whatever is going to, I feel like at some point, yeah, in 30 years. My thing is, people are going to guess.

Yeah. I've already guessed. I feel like you probably both have an accurate guess. And I'm not going to ask you to say it out loud because you'll tell by my face. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

But afterwards I'm going to ask. It's ask that person right yeah well you know right yeah like say it with your eyes i think it's yeah okay okay now i think i have the same feelings on this person yes yes yes please please so the thing is it's like i think we live in this like world of pop music right now where like women are like, I support other women. I love women. I'm a feminist. And that's great.

Like, love that. But there's artifice to it. It's a lot. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I don't think that you become a bad feminist if you maybe don't see eye to eye with every single woman. That's just like not the nature of human beings. You know, there is a competitiveness between

us there is envy there is camaraderie there is you know all of these different like dynamics and I mean I feel that working in entertainment there is this kind of dance that we all do with each other whether you're in music, whether you're in your world, like no matter how you identify, there is this dance that everybody's watching each other. Everybody's like posing in the picture, like, hey, I'm so nice to see you.

My collaborator and good friend. Yeah, but then you're also like, I want what they have. And then the next thing you're like, they suck. I killed it today. And this happens, but no one really is like willing to discuss it. But we all probably have our person.

Yes. Or maybe a few different people. And I'm sure we are that person for other people. And I just find that there is this like strange, like unspoken thing that often happens, particularly with women, because there is such a narrative of pitting women against each other within music. And sometimes that's not totally like fabricated.

Do you know what I'm saying? Sometimes there is like, what's the phrase smoke? Whether smoke this fire. Like, I do feel like that sometimes does happen. And sometimes it's like like I don't know everybody's just doing this little like square

dance totally well like this idea of like oh women are pitted against each other that shouldn't make you feel any worse or more complicated about the fact that like it happens it's not why is it this red line all of a sudden you're not supposed to get into any other conflict with any yeah and also

it's unrealistic it's unrealistic and you're not saying to get into any other conflict with any of the peers. It's unrealistic. It's unrealistic. And you're not saying fuck her. You're saying it's confusing when I feel like we got a lot of people saying that we do great stuff together. It feels like the vibe is good. Then I'm confused. It's like, am I okay with who the audience might fill in this spot? Yeah.

Well, that's the other thing about it. It's like, for me, this is like my favorite part of the high artness of music and the low artness of like pop star. Discourse. Like I like the marriage of the two and I like that maybe people were getting it wrong, but they're like having fun playing the game. Because I think that maybe people are getting it wrong, but they're like having fun playing the game. Because I think that that brings like kind of this three dimensional world to songs, you know, outside of just like the song's really good.

It's like it's nice to plant like theories and ideas and let people like live their kind of Paris Lindsay fantasy with it. It's fun. But I also think it does this thing of like, with the whole record, I'm kind of like doing that in ways. It's like holding a mirror to this kind of culture that we're in right now, where everybody is really, I feel like everybody is like their moral compass

has to be so in check all the time. Right. But it's like, sometimes it's just like fun if it's not. Yeah. And everybody, the listeners, like your moral compass isn't always like bang on. Like everybody's a little fucked.

Yeah. Everybody's like a little like shady. Everybody has like thoughts of all these different things. Like everyone's kind of a bitch sometimes. And that's okay. Like it doesn't make you a bad person it makes you a flawed human being yeah a dynamic person and we want

artists to put that into work too because it like I mean I can't stand the morality thing as it applies like but when did pop stars and let's just include and lump in like actors and shit like when did they become like moral paragons because like at Chateau Marmont like in the 70s there would be signs up that said no actors.

It's like we were like, we, like they were like the rowdy fucking like chaotic people. And that's what everyone understood them to be. And it's like, these are not good people. Keep them out. And like, maybe that's okay. Yeah. I wonder like, it's interesting, this celebrity culture, especially over the past like 10 maybe 15 years

has really like changed a lot in that i think niceness became a commodity yeah whereas before niceness wasn't cool right you know it wasn't like cool to be nice no yeah and then like suddenly it really was it was like oh well if you're not nice, like you're dead. You know? But it actually just used to be like really cool to be like cunty and a bitch. And I feel like we're slowly edging back there. But I still think we're in our nice era. I still feel like we're in our like, everybody has to be so nice all the time.

And that's like cool if you're like really actually just like chill and nice. But sometimes I'm like, I see through this. You see through it. And we all do. Totally. Right? I think everything is too sensitive now to actually hide who you are. Like, you know what I mean?

Like the media is like, if people are watching, they're watching so closely so that you can't really get away with like putting on a persona anymore that's like really different from who you are because we see so much of it and we're inundated in the discourse and etc that like we're ahead of the game that you're playing right unless you play it like really well yeah which some people do really good team to cover shit up yeah but i feel like and i mean this on such a complimentary level you i feel like you've stuck to your cuntiness the whole the whole way through thank. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny. It's like, I think I can be bitchy.

I don't know that I'm a bitch. Right? That is a big distinction. You know, like, I'm never going to be horrible to someone for the sake of it. Because it's actually, I personally find it a lot harder to be like deliberately like dismissive or mean or whatever. You know what I mean? And don't get me wrong.

I'm sure I have my bad days. Like I'm not saying I'm a saint, but I'll also just like tell it how it is. And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but it's actually just, I'm just being real because I don't think that it's

that interesting to have this sort of like facade of like it takes a lot of energy you could twist yourself into a fucking knot and what would really

well we're all gonna die 100% and I'm just like why don't we just like have fun I mean I think this album is kind of like on this front line

where a lot of a lot of artists are doing this now where it is like transparency I'm bringing the fourth wall like you're singing about AG and Sophie

and like Hudmill like for the first time probably right in a little way and like you're being very real about shit like you're singing

I don't want to spoil the rest of the album but like you're singing about things that like are very surprising and I'm like oh I didn't think she spoil the rest of the album but like you're singing about things that like are very surprising and I'm like oh I didn't think she would be

she would have a song about like I think is that I think about it all the time yeah yeah the song about babies track 14 is that

yeah yes yeah it is track 14 well I just remember because track 14 no no it's an old school analog

I just remember it goes into the last track and I love the two together because it's such a psych out. Like, it's like you're talking about, like, really weighing things in the way where you are in life. Like, now is the time when I should maybe

really think about a family if that's what I want. Like, is it okay with you that I think about this? Like, this occupies a lot of space. And then the next song is Keys. Yeah. Let's do a lot of blasts.

And I was like, is this her answering it or is this her having fun? Yeah. Or is it both? It's not the answer because I definitely, I don't think I have an answer. Yeah. If you have baby fever, do cocaine is what you're saying. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah.

All brand deals gone. So that's cool. But no, I don't have an answer but I think it's an interesting question to muse over because I mean do you guys have

many friends who have kids our female friends are really starting I mean like even in the past six to eight months like four or five

of my friends have had their yeah like one of my friends had her third kid wow yeah our age

wow is this your friend group I don't have loads of friends who have kids yet but i had kind of one like major friend in my life who's a songwriter who had a baby and she was kind of the inspiration for this song because i went to her house to visit her in stockholm with her partner they've been together for like years, but they never really were like, we're having kids. It just kind of happened for them, you know?

And then it was just so crazy going over to their apartment, writing songs with them. She's wearing the same clothes. She always wore the apartments the same. They're exactly the same. We're writing songs, but it's just like everything is different because she has the key to this door that like I'm not even in the same room as yet.

Do you know what I mean? You talk about this like it's almost like they now know something you don't know. And it's that wanting that like is driving the question in you. Exactly. Really interesting. Exactly. And it's like you don't not to say that you can't, you know, get the same sort of level of intimacy. I'm not saying that. not to say that you can't, you know, get the same sort of level of purpose and intimacy.

I'm not saying that, but I just, I think particularly like with her, for me, I was just like, wow, like we used to be so similar. And now your worldview, even though you're saying all the same things and you're the same person, you're also just like completely different because you have this new perspective that I can't even really begin to understand yet, you know, and it's just strange. But does it not give you some comfort that like she is wearing the same clothes? Yeah, absolutely.

No, no, it's totally comforting. But then it's at the same time, it's just like, am I missing out? Like, and I think for me, it drives me to this place of like do i want kids will i feel this new lease of life and this whole new world open up if i have kids will i feel resentment towards the kid will i seamlessly be able to do both things yeah in exactly the way that i want? No, probably not. Unless I like kind of disregard the kid. Like, you know, there's just so many questions. You want to do an amazing job at both. Yeah. And so I would also, if I were in that position,

I don't, I'll never have children, but if I were really, if it was something that was on my mind, I would worry that it would like harm my passion and like what I know I'm supposed to do. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to change the way that I relate to myself as like this person who

like in your case is out there creating and like being this like pop idol. And then I don't know, like it would, it would change a lot. Like you don't know that you're going to be exactly like your friend wearing the same shit, talking about the same shit. Like for some people, it really

changes. But I feel like you have already been through a situation where everything was taken from you in some sense with lockdown. Your response to that was like how I'm feeling now. So I feel like

in a big life change situation like that, you already kind of, I'm not saying it would happen exactly that way, but you already know that your response would be to keep making art. True.

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Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. after. You didn't miss much. We love horse meat. I mean, you know this because you do it, but it's It's a lot of energy. It's late. It's late. The boiler room set looks fucking hot. That was late, but it's

I mean, this is like because when do you end? One. And then you go to the funny Mexican restaurant. Where was it? Rosa Mexicana. Rosa Mexicana. What is... Okay.

We rotate restaurants. Yeah, go, go, go. Why isn't it... Okay. The same place? Why isn't it just a better place? You know what? You really roll the dice.

And I can say this and he can't, but sometimes I'm like, where are we going? And it's either a fuck yes or a come on. But has it... It has been a fuck yes or a come on. But has it? It has been a fuck yes. I went to two. Yeah.

And they were, I went Rosa Mexicana. Rosa Mexicana was Oscar Isaac. Yeah. Oscar Isaac was the best. And I mean, I had fun. I had fun. You had a margarita. But it was funny. And you described it as a funny restaurant.

And it is a very funny restaurant. It's hilarious. And we love Rosa Mexicana so much. We love them. We love them. We want a table tonight. My brand deal is gone.. And we love Rosa Mexicana so much. We love them. We love them. We want a table tonight. Brand deal's gone. My brand deal with Rosa Mexicana is gone.

But I like Charlie Famous. But surely it's not a budget thing. It kind of is. Like it's getting a little sloshed. I know. How is that a budget thing? What are you talking about? You need to come back when the party is at La Venue at Saks.

It's chic. There's room to walk around. But Charlie famously was the musical guest during the Omicron episode where it fucking crashed down. Oh, everyone was gone, right? Well, can I say, can I reveal, like on the monitors on Thursday, like all the writers were fucking screaming because it was like, oh my God, it's like Caroline Polachek's here, Christine's here, they're doing new shapes. And then the world missed out on like the three of you being on the same stage on tv doing new shapes it was that was crazy that was crazy also because yeah I guess we never did that performance oh there was a we had we were on a did you see a sound check we're on a spinning platform so cool and like I love Caroline and

Christine but my god that it was great. Like, because you guys go crazy on. It was like Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way at one speed. Christine wanted to spin the other way. I was like, I don't care which way the fucking platform spins. I just get it going. As long as we decide. Everyone has COVID.

It was just like so stressful. Yeah. It was just like a lot. And then we finally figured out we were so feeling so good about it. We're like dancing on the platform we're not falling over we like we fucking killed it

and then we're literally we were in like we were getting ready like and then on Saturday

yeah yeah yeah yeah I was in glam and then Caroline was like it's not happening I was like what do you mean you're not coming

and she was like no it's like they pulled the plug on it yeah yeah was that what happened they pulled the plug on it yeah was that what happened they pulled the plug on it entirely well not my meatball sketch

thank god oh yes Charlie played a meatball no but that was the Oscar Isaac show was it that was the second show that was the time you came back

oh I got a chicken chicken I was I did some pre-taped sketch oh you were you were a chicken or a parrot you were a parrot

you were a parrot yeah and I was kind of like oh well at least I kept that a little bit. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It was like me and Paul. It was Paul Rudd, right? It was Paul Rudd.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's a good one, though, to play a chicken with Paul Rudd. That's so SNL coded. Yeah, it was. It's like I went on there and I did sketch comedy. Yeah.

I was a chicken. I was a chicken and a meatball. But then you were, but then the second show you did Baby. And then what did you do? I did Beg For comedy. I was a chicken. I was a chicken and a meatball. But then you were, but then the second show you did Baby and then what did you do? I did Beg For You. Beg For You. Yeah.

Oh my, and Rina wasn't there. Rina was not there, no. But speaking of Sunset Tower, Sunset Tower holds a very special place in my heart because that was where I was when Crash came out. The whole album and I was just me in a room

listening to that whole album. Went to the tour, you were fantastic. And I still say that that is the most well behaved audience because it's these lovely

e-boys and girls who just jump up and down vertical no one's like throwing elbows in the pit you know what I mean everyone like

watches their space and they're so well behaved they're polite their angels are polite but with this do you want them to get a little bit more chaotic? I always want them to get chaotic.

Like whenever they, you know, I'm lucky because whenever I bump into like a mass group of angels, they're very like sweet. You know, they like wait in line and they like have the lids off their sharpie. Like they're organized. Oh my God, I love it. Yeah. It's never like a shit show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I saw this TikTok of Paris Hilton

had done like a signing. Yeah. And it had got a little hectic and someone had like drawn on her like Chanel bag with a Sharpie. And I was just like that. I mean, I'm sure there's like- Not in your class.

There's lots more where it came from but that is really like that's such a bummer beyond the pale that would never happen with the angels not on your blue blanciaga sling

no do you still put a banana in it always I always travel I brought a banana here left it on the plane you did

you have my favorite what's in my bag because you have the banana you have the lineage yes and you have the baredo is it the true emotion

no no no that's what is it I just mixed emotions you and I have the same fragrance yeah I'm wearing

La Tulipe today La Tulipe is good it's a new I haven't done it before I like it it's a Byredo a new fragrance is a thing

yeah like I've switched and it's just like what are you on I am on De Los Santos from Byredo yeah okay I have that too and I will say A new fragrance is a thing. Yeah. Like I've switched and it's just like. What are you on? I am on De Los Santos from Byredo. Yeah, okay. I have that too.

And I will say Bowen Yang really tried to get me into Sunday Cologne and that was not for me. Is that Marcello? Oh, it's called. No, no, it's Byredo. It's Byredo as well.

It's called Sunday. Yeah, Sunday something. Rainy Sunday. No, that's Marcello. I think it's called Sunday Cologne. It's just called Sunday Cologne, guys. It's called Sunday Cologne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called Sunday Cologne.

Sunday Cologne. It's just Sunday Cologne. But now I found De Los Santos and I actually was wearing it. It had its debut at Coachella on me and I felt very good. By the way, Coachella. Tell me about Coachella.

You didn't say me, but I saw you last year. Oh, you did? That went off. People were getting fun rowdy at that. That was fun. How was Coachella this year? Coachella this year was fucking great.

But Lana Del Rey makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song. Yes, she does. She does. year was fucking great but Lana Del Rey makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song yes she does because hot girls listen to Lana Del Rey in their headphones hot Mean Girls listen to Lana Del Rey

it's true it's true I feel like any cool like genuinely cool girl yeah not only like

likes Lana Del Rey but like understands like the lore of like Lana in a really deep way. Yeah. She's so fucking real.

Because she's an art figure. She really is something else. She's symbolic. She's symbolic for something. Yeah, right. Yes. When I was hearing that song, I was like,

I see this girl. Yeah. Yeah. You see her. Yeah. She like smokes skinny cigarette. And being, being. And she's a little like. Yes. She like smokes skinny cigarette. And being, being.

And she's a little like. Yes. She's a little bit like. She's got a vocal fry. Vocal fry. But it doesn't feel dated. It feels very good on her. Yeah, absolutely.

And I will say being at Coachella around 75,000 of those girls. Yeah. Was a good vibe. Cool. And I wasn't sure about her doing the Friday night because I felt like that should be a party. Like in my head, I felt like that should be a party like in my head I was like

switch Doja and Lana put Lana on Sunday night Doja will get everything started and then now having seen it I'm like everything was exactly as it should have been

everything was perfect yes did you go? I didn't go no he's never been never been oh

what people do with your music though I think like if we're gonna compare Lana heads to like angels and people who like really like love you I feel like you Heads to like Angels and people who like really like love you I feel like you

get people to like do the digging of like oh my god like it's this there's this whole album that you know like they really start to like

dig through the crate and I think people love to like take your stuff all the stems whatever and then just like rearrange it

and like they have fun with the building blocks that you're giving yeah yeah yeah yeah and I think my music is like they have fun with the building blocks that you're giving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think my music is like intrinsically like for the night.

Yes. You know, you can listen to it in the day you can listen to it in the car like whatever. But it's a party. But generally it's like the best night time.

I remember like I saw you at the Wiltern a few years ago and just like what was happening on stage was so great. One of my favorite songs of yours is I Don't Want to Know. And like I just like you had

this like really cool purple light just like I don't know just like you're not like synesthetic are you? I am. I can tell. Yeah. I can tell. What do you mean? Someone like got into your face was like you're not actually. No no I just it's like one of those things where you know like when you do your

first interviews and it's like one of the first things you've ever said and then like it follows you it's because people are like she's synesthetic test her yeah but like you actually do experience that yeah and for me it's like really helpful with writing yeah when I'm writing I'm like this song is purple like and then I'll be like AG make the the purple stuff yes I wanted to ask you this question about like when you sit down to write a song, is it like because it feels like equal parts important? And obviously it is. But I guess my question is, is it the sound and like where you're going sonically that dictates what something is going to be about?

Or do you come in with an emotion that you need to get out? With this record, it's been very much that I came in with what I wanted to say. Whereas on previous records records it's not actually really been like this with this record it's been so lyrically led yeah like I've been like I wanna write a song about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom and dad which was Apple or like I want to write the song about not being sure if I want to have kids or you know like it's been very like it's there it's in my head like Mean Girls kind of like piecing that around like a few different girls I know and thinking about like qualities that they have and putting

that in a song 360 love oh so love and your bookends are perfect yeah and with that it was very like okay I want to talk about me like being like a sonic reference for people but through the like lens of Julia kind of being the like New York like it girl street fashion girl that everybody's

referencing you know Julia Fox meaning yes yeah yeah yeah so it was like very specific yeah and then kind of fun to build out these like pop songs that hopefully like a lot of people can relate to but they're coming from like quite a specific idea yeah right and place and why do you think it didn't happen with the other albums it just like wasn't the way it was i think i was writing very much like the way I would write on previous records. We would build a track and then I would get on the microphone and literally be like. And then figure out the lyrics later.

And then I would figure out the lyrics that fit the vowel sounds I was kind of making. So there was already this sort of like map of sound that, you know, I was trying to fit words to. You're saying this is lyrically led. Lyrically led and not really focusing too much on rhyme or worrying about like what fits within a stanza or anything like that, you know? So actually just, I was really able to kind of just write lyrics that I would actually say in a conversation rather than crafting them into this sort of like

song version of what I would say. And even like melodically in the way that like the song forms around us, like even with girl, so confusing, it's girl, you know what I mean? Like there's something there. That's the melody.

Like the way you really say it, like I want to do this. So you know what I mean? Like, you know, it's just like, it feels like it's born out of something you want to say this time. And to hear that you say that is,

it works. But back on this thing of like, I think this is like extremely transparent in the way, and it is like holding up this mirror because like the Rorschach test of this album is the cover and everyone having all these opinions about like the cover and I think you kind of threw it back at people in a nice way where you're like

no, this is actually like, this completely reveals what you think like a pop girl should appear and how they should put out their work and stuff like that which I think is great but I think with the content of the album it's more about like guys like I think about like crazy dark shit

about like my career I'm not putting words in your mouth but it's like I think it is your most vulnerable album because you are being very honest about like how you regard yourself in a way that would have never occurred to me. You know what I mean? Right, right. Like there are allusions to like your career being in this in between. And I'm like, oh, like six albums in, like you feel that way.

Yeah, totally. Well, I just it's I think there aren't many people who have a path that I have yeah there are some Robin being one and I think that's why there's a lot of like synergy between the two of us but you know somebody who had speaking about Robin now huge commercial success yes right at the beginning of her career and then kind of had to like rebrand and then became this kind of gay icon, kind of like girl of the night. No, that sounds wrong. You know, like nighttime music, like club,

like always, no matter what she does, is always going to be kind of like looked upon as like a really important artist who's kind of like treading new ground and you know yeah kind of like timeless yes and I think you know we share similarities in that you know not my first music but music for my second record was globally like commercially successful but at that point of time for me I didn't really have my artistry kind of totally figured out in the way that I feel that I do have now I mean there were definitely like good through threads but when I look at for example like Sour Olivia Rodrigo I'm like oh I wish I'd done Sucker kind of like that.

Like, because I think there are parallels within those universes, but I think she just did it better because I think she, I don't know. I don't think I knew myself that well at that point in time when I was doing that record. And I look at some of the decisions she made and I'm like, oh, wow, it's like still very like pop and kind of like touching on this like live, like punkish stuff. But it's done in a way that to me is still very cool. Whereas I feel like when I look back on Sucker,

there are elements of it that I'm like, oh, that's just a bit annoying. You know what I mean? I've told you though, that like True Romance is still the perfect, I don't know how you feel about that album, but it's though that like True Romance is still the perfect I don't know how you feel about that album but it's like

I feel like that is still core Charlie that is still like that's the through thread that's the through line you know what I mean like I still listen to So Far Away

and I'm like this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting it she's put out through her whole career and like that is like music

of the night where it's like it's like the beginnings of like bedroom pop this whole thing now that has this whole you know life and culture around it like I think you really broke ground in that way with it like yeah sucker is its own thing and that must have been so strange and so complicated but it's still a great record but true romance I think it's still like you you can always always fall back on that first record as like yeah I love that record I love that record but

yeah anyways I think it's like it's just interesting my career hasn't been like A to B it's been like kind of it's like a weird A J P Q R it's everywhere you know

totally and it's like straddling this like commercial A, J, P, Q, R. It's everywhere. There's a T in there, yeah. Totally. And it's like straddling this commercial thing. Also being a songwriter, also being linked to the underground and disregarding that and coming back. I don't know, it's a mess. No, it's not a mess. It's that I think I'm sure you're- No, it's a mess in a nice way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't have that trajectory anymore because people are so afraid to take the risk. Yeah. Whether from the label or from the artists themselves. Like, I think you have been so good about using whatever the apparatus is, whatever you have within you to just like make it like that. That's what how I'm feeling now is to me. It's like, yeah, you just fucking made it.

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This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part had me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability

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He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story

as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You have had these like, when you describe it as a mess, it is interesting because it's like, there's these spikes of like these mainstream moments. Like going back to like Boom Clap, like that being in like Love, Simon.

Yeah. Like that was like. Fault in Our Stars. Oh, Fault in Our Stars. But it's like the same. It's the same. But I guess that's what I mean. It's like, that kind of was our Fault in Our Stars.

They both lived, I guess. They were still gay though. Yeah. But like that, and then I remember it was a few years ago now, but we were in the Fire Island movie, and when we found out that the Boys remix was going to be in our trailer. Yeah, so cool. I was like, thank God, because this is going to get across the fun of this.

It's going to make it seem even more fun than it is. And also just like there was something about, to get across like the fun of this it's going to make it seem even more fun than it is like and also just like there was something about doesn't that song also start promising young woman yes like so it's just like there are these like moments in like big mainstream culture that like you're right there and so I wonder how do you how do you feel when something is perceived on that level is that like an exciting thing or is a little bit like, hmm? No, no, I feel good about it. It's like, okay, I think because there are some things you mentioned that,

so like Fire Island, Promising Young Woman, those things feel really exciting to me and inspiring and happy to be involved in them. But I think it's like what I've learned, like going back and forth between this kind of like more commercial version of myself to this kind of more I'm really just leading with like what's in my brain and my you know instinct I've just learned now from doing it so long I can't like fake I just can't like fake

pushing the commercial button like hi I'm top girl yeah I'm smiling and we're here with coca-cola i can't do it i can't like and that's no disrespect to the people who do some people are just like made to like live in that world and like they want to make the music that is going to like really succeed in that world and it's really hard to succeed in that world. Like I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like I just can't do it because when I've written those songs and I put them out, it's like they only go so far because I think there's a block

that the fans see as well. They're just like, she's not that girl. Like that's not who she really is. She's not that girl. Like some of them can, like maybe a less hardcore fan can get down with it but it's like

you know it's just like when you smell a rat yeah or whatever it's like I have to just be yourself myself

something in the milk ain't clean yes when you're not being yourself and I can't fucking nor should you have to

I can't do it I can't do it on album 6 because it makes me miserable of course you have to. I can't do it. I can't do it. On album six, no. Because it makes me miserable. Of course. You have to sing that music every night. I think it was Dua who said, we were just talking to her about her album

and we were talking about this theme that she has of positivity and the messages that she has are usually up. And she's like, well, I have to sing it every fucking night. So if it's going to be something that's in my mouth every single night, it better taste good.

Like, you know what I mean? That's so funny because I'm the opposite of that. Like if I had to sing really overly positive, like Boom Clap is a good example. It would toxify. Obviously so different from like radical optimism, like completely different sounding records, et cetera. But like, that's funny that she says that.

And that makes sense for her because she is i think she is always really kind of like seizing like the positivity in life i kind of like to dwell in the yeah i like to kind of like sit in the shit and externalize that because that is also a valid emotion that people out there are feeling i have to do it. Yeah, that's so, that's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I feel that this is like, like the pendulum has stopped swinging. I just had like a vision of like,

me performing radical optimism and Dua doing Brat. Doing Brat. Being like, three, six, five, putty girl, bumping that. And then me doing. Illusion.

Yeah. And like both of us like being on our, like the versions of what those tours are and I want to see that how is that how is it how is it going down

this is but this is how you know that like you're doing the right thing is that like you like we love Dua

it would be crazy if she did 360 and it would be kind of crazy if you did Radical Optimist it's like you are doing the thing you were meant to do it is purely externalized

from whatever your inner life is and I feel like what you're saying is maybe the pendulum has stopped swinging like you've landed

in this nice space of like I'm in between or I'm more of this one thing than I am this thing and like I feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of this album it's like you look in the mirror

and you see me like and you're holding up a mirror to society am I being so stupid? No, she saw you illuminate me. I went, hmm. The reflective surface motif.

But like, use it. Yes, I'm using it. Come on. Use it like a mirror. Like a mirror. We gotta ask Charlie the question. Yes, we do. So this is the central question of Lost Culture. It's what was the culture that made you say culture is for you? You can look back and be like,

I am largely me because of this thing I experienced. I think it was, and maybe this is not very surprising, but I think it was like the London rave scene and that culture like London warehouse parties that I kind of came up through because that sort of in turn put me very onto kind of like club kid stuff when I was younger and when I was in art school I was always kind of like in this sort of like Lee Bowery like inspired like Michael Alec kind of yeah yeah but still but like there's a cool scene yeah yeah like those parties like that level of yes totally

and that level of kind of like DIY aesthetic with clothes and music and yeah I think that really formed who I am so chic how did you find? I think it was from starting going to these parties because when, that must have been like 2007, eight when I was going in London. So you were young. I was young. I would go with my parents.

Oh, great. Which was not cool. Were you guys like in Essex going to London? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would drive me. I would get asked, I had a MySpace and I knew this

promoter who was like, come and play. And we would drive into London and I would play at like 3am. So you were being booked for these? Yeah, I was being booked. Wow. And that was kind of my first look into nightlife and

party culture. And at that point in time I guess it was like our version of indie sleaze was going on. It was new rave, which was like, you know, sure, sure. Yeah.

And so that was sort of like a kind of regurgitation of, you know, all the prior, like the second wave of club kids that were coming before. So I kind of just got sort of like sucked in through that way. And then you learned about the prior wave and it felt like education. There was some like rooting for this. It wasn't like

it just kind of came up out of nowhere. Like you had history to like soak into. Yeah, I had to soak in the history because I wanted to understand like what Michael Alec was doing and what like that original like club scene and like those club kids were doing back here in New York and those levels of like crazy parties they would throw like they

threw one on a bridge where they like shut both ends of the bridge and like you know just this like a lore of like partying and how that kind of like spawned into music and then began to kind of create like new sounds of music I think that it's like such a

rich thing for me yeah like you like at the limelight would have been so fucking imagine

yeah wild imagine where do you live now do you still like I'm half in LA and half in London yeah back and forth LA out of necessity or do you live now do you still like I'm half in LA and half in London yeah back and forth

back and forth yeah LA out of necessity or do you like it I am beginning to maybe be over it I've been there

for 10 years oh that feels like that feels like double yeah the amount of time it would take to be over it

yeah I'm thinking about New York actually I think New York is I've never lived here I think you should do it I think New York is I think you should do it. I think New York is New York and London like I guess like if you were someone who wanted two different

experiences in the two places you live like I'm here because I want to rest meaning LA and I'm here because I want to be included in what's going on and like the culture that's London but like New York is New York. Yeah. I do love London. You can rest in New York. I do love London too. rest in New York I do love London too

yeah did you love performing at Coachella? I was honestly so scared was it scary? yeah because you know with Coachella you were on the Coachella stage

yeah and everyone was like it's all about the live stream everyone's like stressing about the live stream right so that made me kind of

treat it more like TV oh sure you know was it helpful or no? Well, I was happy with how it looked and how I sounded because I was thinking so much about the broadcast, but it definitely like was just stressful. That was a major, it was a major change. So I remember we saw Chapel in the Gobi tent.

And then right after that, we walked over to Sabrina Carpenter on the Coachella stage. And I remember it felt like the energy was lower, but then I was like, oh, but on this stage, they're thinking about the live stream. Whereas in like the Gobi and Sahara tents,

they're just giving a live show. And it feels like that. Like, so the live experience does feel, I would imagine like more alive there. And maybe as the performer, it feels more connected. Whereas on the Coachella stage where you were, it is a lot about they're watching at home.

Yeah, it was scary. Yeah. That's okay. I mean, would Lee Barry be here? You crushed. I was having the best time. He wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be there.

That tells me. Lee Barry, you used to do these videos these little short films of him like teaching you how to like have tea like he was just

so adorable that's what people don't talk about with Lee Bowery is like yeah it's like the looks and all these things

but it's like at his heart he was just this like sensitive he was Australian right Australian

yeah Australian yeah I got him confused as a Brit but you know maybe you're right maybe you're right no we can't. Australian. I got him confused as a Brit, but maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.

No, we can't look it up. I hope you're both wrong. I hope you're both wrong. But like, did it take you like, was there a developmental thing for you to like grow up in that and then be like, I'm going to like, I'm going to make this like part of me? I don't think it was a choice. You know, I think it's like it just i gravitated so yeah hard towards it i think it was like i saw elements of myself in what was being created in the worlds that i was looking into there was there was like a punkness and like a kind of freeness.

And it felt that there was like a possibility to be a little messy and not perfect and not look a certain type of a way to still be able to express yourself and feel really like validated or something. And I think I was searching for that a lot when I was growing up. And that that could be a version of success is just going there and participating and being in the culture and being around people that make you feel good and not this like more calculated metric of like, well, did this happen? Did you look like this?

And being rewarded for being a freak. I think that was something that really like made me like gravitate towards that world because that was what was like celebrated. Like if you would that really like made me like gravitate towards that world because that was what was like celebrated like if you would like really like wearing something like weird or like you know what I mean or like you got attention you got like something yeah right I was like oh that's cool like you don't have to be this kind of traditional version of beauty or talent or like whatever it is it's like you can kind of make a fantasy and it be valid even if it's like a little fucked and ugly you know or whatever that's your root though like that's why it's like you don't have to worry about being like the moral

model for anything it's like just like let that shit go because you started out in this like environment where like it didn't really matter. Nightlife culture is about unrepressed everything. It's just humanity revealing itself. I'm being so like, ugh. No, I love it. You know what I mean? No, I love it. It's so interesting. Have you done Mighty Hoopla or been to Mighty Hoopla?

I don't know what that is. It's this thing that's like big queer. It's like a queer music festival. I'm like, what is that? I was like, no problem. It's this thing that's like big queer, like music festival. It's like a queer music festival. Oh God, sorry. I'm like, what is that? I was like, she's probably headlined four times. No, I don't know what that is. What's that, there's that park that's like South London.

Victoria Park, no. Not Victoria, there's, I'm- I haven't done it. You haven't done it, no problem. Sorry. We're still like, no, but it's in this park. It's like a teeny tiny Coachella, but in London with all queer and queer adjacent artists.

It's like really fucking fun. They've never asked me. That's so fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked. It's fucked in a crazy way. Are you excited for tour? I am. Have you guys been wanting to tour together? It feels like such a natural thing.

Yeah, you know, we have the same manager. Oh, yeah. Our manager has been trying to get us to tour together for years. Yeah. And every time we're like, yeah, like, obviously we love each other. But I think the music has never quite lined up. And now it's like so lining up, you know.

So this time when our manager like for like literally the fifth time was like, do you guys want to tour together? We were like, yeah, we do. Yeah. Because it really made sense and we could see how it would really like flow and work together yeah stuff sung together I think so to be honest we're still putting it together

but I think that yes it's what people would want I mean I don't think it's going to be like a full medley situation but there's definitely going to be a few moments together absolutely I did see you guys should do Beauty and the Beast

absolutely I did see you guys on the same show Troy's been begging me I think it was also at the Wiltern like it was years ago you guys were on the same show

it was like a bunch of artists yeah it was a festival that I think we both did together yeah because I remember distinctly seeing you both

and I forget why it was a pride festival that maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also mine, but I don't remember. Troy invented Pride. He totally did. Yeah, he pioneers it every year. He did, yeah.

Well, it's going to be so fun. It's going to be fun. I cannot wait. People were freaking out over the ticket situation, which is always a good feeling when it's like, did people get tickets? I know. So, yeah, we're so happy. We're really happy. It's going to be fun feeling when it's like, did people get tickets? I know. So yeah,

we're so happy. We're really happy. It's going to be fun. It's like pretty quick. Uh-huh. I know. It's like a couple months, right?

It's like, not even. Is it like five weeks? Okay. Six weeks? Where is it in New York? Is it MSG? Yes,

it's MSG. Obviously, we'd love for you to come. we're coming. It's going to be really fun. You know, I've paid top dollar for you to come it's gonna be really fun and you know I've paid top dollar

for you like I don't want the coffee you don't have to anymore oh fine I'll take it if I have to I'll take it

if I have to I did hear a story one time of I won't say any details until after but there was an artist

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Okay. You're doing well. We're going to go one first. But I just know you're going to pop the fuck off. So this is our 60-second segment where we drag name cultural item here. I walked into this myself today. It's my own fault, but I am in a...

Okay. Here we go. There's some self-accountability. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts now. I don't think so, honey, wearing a graphic tee

on the subway in New York because here's the thing. People are going to read it and then they're going to engage with it and then you're trapped with them for what could be

as much as a half hour. So today I have a shirt on that says, is it going to be a threesome? I'm challengers coded my whole life right now. This is merch from Focus Features. Thank you again.

For drive-away dolls. And for drive-away dolls. Haven't seen it yet, but can't wait, sister. I just know that I was on the subway today with a gentleman who could read the shirt

and did out loud. And so then he was engaging with it. It caused everyone to turn. And I said, you know what? Maybe if I hadn't worn a shirt with words on it that could be read, I wouldn't be having a conversation at all, least of all about threesomes. And this person was not necessarily someone I wanted to engage with about threesomes.

You know, if you see me wearing this and you think we would vibe, I don't know, maybe I will be wearing it the whole rest of today. This episode comes out in like three weeks. But I'll wear it again. Actually, yes. The day this episode is released, I'm going to be walking the streets of New York wearing it. Say hi, but not if you're like a crazy person on the subway. And that's one minute.

So that's my adult thing coming on today. That was so good. I'm going to suck at this. No, you're not. I'm going to try my best. You're going to be so good. We all know you talk super fast. Do I? On recorded media, you go so fast. Let me tell you something. Now I super fast. Do I? On recorded media, you go so fast. Let me tell you something.

Like in a way, now I'm like, do I? No. Is it in a way that it's like, oh, you mean in songs? I'm just saying we know you can get on the mic and rip. You can hit, you can rip. You know what I mean? In a way, is it like a problem? No.

It means that you're built for it. I don't think so. Okay. Everyone's thing about Charlie is they're like, yeah, she just talks too fast. Wait, I just wish it wasn't so fast. I'm just kidding.

No, I'm just saying like, I've heard the album and I know that you can keep up the tempo. I understand. And Bowen Yang, speaking of tempo, you ready to fucking

do this? Yeah. Okay. So this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey pubic hair.

Why is it looking different down there than up here? I look like Miss Frizzle got a dye job. I'm curly, curly, curly. And I wish I could get a perm up here and give myself a little swoop. My pubic hair is so tightly coiled down there. And when you see it on the bathroom floor, you go, oh, no. I'm so shocked. That is not something I want to see and it's if you're

living alone like me it's just you. I don't like how I don't like what it says about me. I think pubic hair like either when you have it it's like oh let's let's shear it and then when you don't have it it's like well now you look like a fucking mole

rat. Yeah 100%. There's no in between. 15 seconds. Why can't we just stay there? And I sure as hell ain't laser removing it because it's like, because like I said, if it's gone, it looks even crazier than if it is a forest. Five seconds left. If it is a jungle. And I have a really crazy situation. I don't know why it's different down there.

Isn't body hair all supposed to be the same? And that's one minute. You are the only person I believe in history to say you wish what was down there. You wish your pubic hair was on your head. I just want it to go both ways. If my hair on my head looked pubic, I'd be like, well, at least it's consistent. Right. This is so shocking.

First of all, laser hair removal on your pubic area? Some people do it. Asshole, maybe. Some people do it. Asshole, maybe. Some people do it. The guys I've been hooking up with lately don't seem to care at all about maintaining it down there. Right. Or maybe they just think they don't care what I think. Yeah.

I think it has been so wild and free as of late. I think no matter your gender, it's like there is not a great way to manage it. Like, period. Well, maybe it's also because I'm hooking up with like men that are my age in their 30s and not like. They've just given up. This isn't like when you're fresh in your 20s and everyone thinks like, oh, I should manscape or whatever or really keep it clean down there. It's like, give it a rest, girl.

We're all just trying to live life. No one cares that you're a hairy one. No one cares. But I bet your pubic hair is thrilling. It's freshly shorn. Oh. Why? You have plans later? No, I just, it was getting out of hand.

And I am in that liminal space now where I'm like, this sucks. Like, I just wish it would go back. Are you itchy? No, I'm actually okay. I'm moisturizing. Cool. Down there? Conditioning.

Conditioning, moisturizing. Oh, yeah, I guess so. I should try my purple shampoo for my blonde. Yeah. Get blonde pubes. Get blonde pubes. I don't want to know. Okay, anyway. Oh, my God. I my blonde. Yeah. Get blonde pubes. I don't want to know. Okay, anyway.

I am nervous. Don't be. I'm nervous. Don't be nervous. My heart just skipped a beat. No, you're going to be absolutely slay. I got it. Just speak the truth. This is CharlieXX. I don't think so many of your time starts now. Okay, I don't think so, honey. I'm actually coming for a group of

people. These people who have this starts now okay i don't think so honey i'm actually coming for a group of people these people who have this stuck up eye rolly attitude towards reality tv oh yeah you know what i mean taking it back to the beginning of our conversation what is not to love i feel like there is such a high low conundrum to reality tv that just makes me want to sink my teeth in, whether it be our favorite Housewives of Salt Lake City, Potomac, also heard it's pretty good. Miami, also heard it's pretty good. Excellent.

But also, what about some other amazing shows? Below Deck, Below Deck Down Under, Below Deck Sailing Yard, Below Deck Mediterranean Mediterranean Love Island Australia British heard the US wasn't that good but anyway I just think

that there is such a psychology such a wonderful amazing world to delve into on reality TV it's like the factory it's absolutely fabulous

just keep it coming and don't judge it and that's one minute that was amazing and you were worried for no reason I don't think so honey the world there

reality TV is not trash it's not trash it's not trash it's art it's art There you go. And you were worried for no reason. I don't think so, honey. The world there. Reality TV is not trash. It's not trash. It's not trash. It's art. It's art. It's art. You should watch. I sweat during that.

Oh my God. I was like sweating. And look, but that's like a good sign. Like we had. Promo for the tour. Promo for the tour. I was just like, oh my God. Way to clear.

Roy come in recently and he, when he sweats, he means it's the spirit moving. It's like energy is moving through him that's what's happened amazing yeah you should watch

couples therapy oh it's so good with um Ornick Oralnik Ornick Oralnik fabulous have you had her on

no we should she is the sexiest she's so sexy isn't she don't you just want to be her

I love her and what just happened here I love her just a tiny little what and what's what was that I love her and what just happened here I love her just a tiny little what and what's what was that

I love her she's like talk about this she's amazing I'm so glad you watched it I love her I think her fashion is incredible

I just think she's chic she is I bet her apartment's really cool yeah have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet where they bring the cameras

into her apartment because she's doing all of it through like telehealth so like you see her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a very charming apartment because she's doing all of it through like telehealth and so like you see her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a very charming way

she's got all her kids running around how many kids does she have two I think she's so fast what I love is when she speaks

to her therapist who's a real icon that woman is Virginia Virginia she's very like brand coded she's

she's a real super Cody she's she's a real super star but you should finish it all the way through there's like I mean whatever we don't have to talk

but there's an Israeli Palestinian queer couple that's amazing and then like and then Orna's like when she finds out that one of them is Palestinian

she goes you know I'm from Israel right and then like Orna like blessed like is like

on socials being like this is crazy anyway but you should watch it all the way through. You would fucking love it. I can't wait. Yeah.

I can't wait. She's a star. She's a star. But that's between like, that's not quite reality. It's not quite documentary, right? It's like they,

they know they're being filmed, but they can't see the cameras. Yeah. I think they've done that show. By the way, I have no idea how long we have left, but I'm like, wow,

we could do a whole episode on this. I feel like they've shot that show in a really tasteful way. Yes. And I hope it never changes. You know what? You want to know what it is? It's like you can tell that, well, obviously it's all hidden.

That's like part of it. But it's still really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just, what I love is that they seem to catch micro emotions. Like it's really like intentionally edited.

And I believe it's like really smartly done through her lens because we're making a joke about like what was that but we saw it too you know what I mean and also it has to be so crazy like to be in those sessions and then watch it after because it's also an edited

version of that session you think that would also maybe give you a little bit of a complex. Like, why am I being edited this way and not that way? Like, I can't understand saying yes to that, but I'm so thrilled that people do. Me too. Do you have a favorite couple or a most fascinating couple?

I really liked the young queer couple. Like, they were really young, and they had been in a relationship for like three years sort of formatively. And one of them wanted to be in an open relationship and the other did not or was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what they had to really figure out and admit to each other was that they were not right for each other.

And watching that play out was heartbreaking. And I just hope that they could still figure it out to be in each other's lives because that's I think the hardest thing about when a relationship ends is it's like, I don't want to lose you as the person you know like that and I thought that was just like a beautiful illustration and like yeah you know examination of that kind of thing like I love you more than anything this is not right yeah

do you have a favorite yeah mine is uh also season one it was the kind of like very sort of set in his ways quite sexy oh I know who you're talking about man yeah yeah yeah

and the woman who was sort of willing to try anything for him and he was just he would like get up during the session and walk around

can't stand it and he was just like being like very controlling but his story his he was just like being like very controlling. But his story is interesting. His story was wild. So wild. Like that woman

like fucked him when he was like 14. And like tied him to a bed. Yes. But also the way it came out, again, could be the edit. We don't know. It was just sort of like

they'd done like four or five sessions. Yeah. Nothing was really like going anywhere. And then one day he's just like, well, you know,

there was that time where I got tied to a bed when I was 14 and like Orna's like what? let's like really examine this for a sec yeah it's just like he just like throws it in out of nowhere but that's real though that's real therapy

shit like there's no like easing into it sometimes it just kind of you drop the bombs well you get the sense that he either was just as stubborn and controlling with like releasing that information as he is in the immediate thing or I think some guys that are like that just don't understand

that it has affected them in that way. I mean who knows but I was under the impression that maybe he just like wasn't there yet. But then the thing that was really interesting about them was then Orna would go and speak to her therapist

about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him. And that was like this extra dynamic that was really interesting. And she was kind of talking about how she needed

to make sure she was providing like fair and equal counsel, but she was like so annoyed by him yeah that is interesting because he's one of i think there's multiple like people like this like he's one of the people who says to her i could do your job yeah yeah i couldn't believe that that was crazy you mentioned the gall do you have a favorite couple i i like there's a couple in season two that's really great. It's two men. One of them is a ballet dancer. One of them.

Oh, they were great. They were great. And one of them like had a really harrowing journey with like sobriety. And then the pandemic happened. And the pandemic happened. And then there's this one couple,

there's a problem couple in season three and she, or talks to Virginia and she talks to a peer group of other therapists. Yeah. And all of them like

help her crack this one couple because it's, she hits a wall. She's like, I don't know what to do. Because the guy was stonewalling everything. The guy was stonewalling and there's such a sensational clip peer group of other therapists. Yeah. And all of them like help her crack this one couple because it's, she hits a wall. She's like, I don't know what to do. Because the guy was stonewalling everything. The guy was stonewalling and there's such a sensational clip of her.

Like they play at the beginning of the season where she just like, they're screaming and she goes, I'm gonna stop you guys right now. I'm not the right therapist for you. And then you're like, oh, you're like,

how does it get there? How does it get there? You watch it. They teed it up. There was also that great, there was a great couple that was, she was a dancer in The Lion King. Yes.

And she was like, she was always busy at night. And so she could never have dinner with the family and her kids. And like, it was like a thing. He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like, I'm in The Lion King. And you knew this when you married me.

Because she had been in The Lion King for like 40 years. It's never ending. She had been in The Lion King for as long as the earth has been spinning. That's the best thing.. It's never ending. She had been in the Lion King for as long as the earth has been spinning. Yeah, yeah. What a job, hey.

I know. She's in it forever. Are you a therapy icon? Am I who? Are you a therapy icon? Yeah. Yeah. I meant the Lion King

being what a job. Oh, also. Also a therapist. Both. Both. Honestly, I can't believe I was never not in it.

There's still chance. There's still chance, babe. No, I can't believe I was never not in it I can't believe I was ever it's still chance babe no I can't believe I was ever not in it because I love it so much in therapy oh again

I think you meant the show Lion King I was like I don't think there's many roles for me in the Lion King on Broadway but I would love to help out I'll do ushering

play giraffe but no therapy's great therapy's great speaking of great speaking of great speaking of great the album is fucking sublime

yeah good for you and I'm glad you responded it seemed like you responded positively when I when I made a comparison to XCX World yes

yeah yeah yeah totally I'm like yes yes yes yes of course no you're right and I'm I think yeah

you nailed it you nailed it yeah so fucking good we love you Charlie I love you both thank you for everything you You nailed it. It's so fucking good. We love you, Charlie. I love you both. Thank you for everything you've done. Thank you for having me.

Of course. This was really fun. Let's end every episode with a song. I'm breaking every rule for you. Oh, wow. That's one of my favorites too. Wait, why do I love all your battles? You know what I love?

Official. Official. It's a fan favorite. Official is a fan. Official reminds me of Jared. It's when we first met. Is that a boyfriend? So he was my boyfriend. Now It's a fan favorite. Official reminds me of Jared. It's when we first met. Is that a boyfriend? So he was my boyfriend.

Now he's my best friend. We figured it out in a way that I hope that couple's therapy couple did. But Official was like, I was like, whoa, like the little things are happening that make me feel like I can go the distance.

That's so nice. Great writing. These are the things that can make us official. Bye. Bye. Yay. These are the things that can make us official Bye Yay I'm Julian Edelman I'm Rob Gronkowski And we are super excited to tell you about

Our new show Dudes on Dudes We're spilling all the behind scene stories crazy details and honestly just having a blast talking football every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends to our buddies to current stars we're finally answering the age old question what kind of dudes are these dudes we We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app,

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