Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “For The Night” (w/ Charli XCX) - Matt’s Pick for Best of 2024!

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

A re-release of Matt's favorite episode of the year! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey everybody. This is Matt. And as you know, we are going to be taking the next few weeks off a little winter break for us, but we wanted to use this time to not have the feed be totally empty. So we are going to be doing some re-releases and the intent behind these is to share some episodes that we just want to shine a light on as some of the best of the year. So this week is my choice, and the next week you're going to hear Bowen's.

And then the week after that, our producers, Anna Hosnier and Becca Ramos, have teamed up to choose their top episode of the year. This was not a difficult decision for me at all. I have chosen For The Night with Charlie XCX. And here's a little bit about why. I mean, I think we can all agree that Brat was the cultural phenomenon of the year. It just had so much crossover appeal in fashion and music and politics, yeesh. But looking back, we did not know that at the time. I remember we got Bratt a little bit early and I listened to it the morning of our episode

and I was really struck by the honesty in Charlie's lyrics, the progression in her music, like I always am, but there was something really different and special about Bratt. And if you listen to the episode, a lot of the conversations that we have about, you know, the lyrical content and the ideas that she's engaging in, this episode was the first time where she talked about

a lot of that stuff. You even hear her say, in terms of Girl So Confusing, we asked her who it's about and we have a little bit of a fun back and forth with her about it. She's weighing whether or not to even say who it's about. And then weeks later, obviously, you know, the Lord remix came out and then, you know, just snowballed into this cultural phenomenon that I feel like this had to be the episode that we released. So I'm super excited to share again with you for the night with Charlie XCX. She also has a lot of interesting fun things to say about Salt Lake City's last season. So it's kind of reaching back to our last episode with Angie too, but I just felt like this was the perfect episode to share with all

of you and I love Charlie and you know, the Grammys are coming up, so I guess you can consider this a four year consideration ad as well. Y'all know how I feel about Brad and how it should be taking album of the year. That's just my opinion. But yeah, so this is For the Night with Charlie XCX. Happy holidays. Thank you all so much. We'll see you in 2025. Next week is Bowen Yangspick, but here's Charlie for now. Look man.

Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow.

Las cultureistas. Ding dong, las cultureistas calling. We're off to the races here today. We've ate some pret. British culture. British culture. And I'll never forget. More to come. I will say, I'm a little upset

about how much almond milk is in this. Okay, if the cameras are picking this up, listeners at home who can't see this, this is Dunkin' Donuts level chicanery. It's pure, it's milk with a little bit of iced coffee. I was going to use the word chicanery too, for the record. And I just want to say, I wouldn't even want to walk down the street and people think that I have to coffee like this.

Like, this is just more almond milk than anything. I'm, can I get an amen up in here in the words of RuPaul? This is just, there's also like a weird pallid color to it. It doesn't have what I would call a healthy looking color. And you guys all feel me out there. You want coffee, not milk. It looks like chocolate milk. Thank you, Becca.

It looks like chocolate milk, I was going to say. Nesquik Rabbit, random muck. Last I checked, I wasn't eight years old in my basement. Where I would drink chocolate milk on the regular. What's your merch story, Matt? Just with like an artist that you love. My merch story? I'm wearing merch. I'm being vulnerable. I'm wearing pop a milk on the regular. What's your merch story, Matt? Just with like an artist that you love. My merch story? I'm wearing merch, I'm being vulnerable,

I'm wearing merch right now. Bowen is in Charlie merch, and by the way, it's very cute merch, which I say as a compliment to you, the wearer, and you, the seller. My merch story is, I'm also currently wearing merch. For drive away dolls. This is, Focus Features sent us this merch,

and I said, that's cute, and I will wear it on the thing. I didn't know they were going to do this. They sent it to us. And after seeing the movie Challengers, I thought threesome culture is sort of in. I do think it's the year of the threesome. Of MMF. Of MMF threesome. Yep.

And so I'm just sort of encouraging that here on the podcast today. I hope you receive. Who knows what happens today during the episode? I don't think it will be an MMF threesome. We've got MMF here. Now, would you say that like if between, between, let's say like MMF, two dicks, one vag, right? Sure, sure. Let's just go in with that parameter.

I might get so like, dick confused that I'm like, yeah, of course there's a vagina in the mix. Listen, all I know is... I'm like, it's not shocking to me. You can't think about it too hard. I think when it comes to three sims, you have to just take it moment by moment. Yeah. I've had two in my life. And getting out of my way was important. No, I've had three.

So the first one, I was very in my own way the entire time. Yep. And I was like, I am doing this with more than one person. And it's a little bit of a brain teaser. And then the second you just let that go and you have a wonderful time. And I was like, I am doing this with more than one person. And it's a little bit of a brain teaser. And then the second you just let that go and you have a wonderful time. You know what happened to me the first time? What? I was facing forward, facing someone. Great. True North.

And it was True North. And then the drum scare behind me. Literally like, oh, like someone someone stuck it in. Not they didn't stick it in. They just kind of kind of nestled behind me. And I was like, oh, I forgot. The crazy thing is when you're facing True North and sort of giving that, aka you're a giving partner, and then all of a sudden you feel the third kind of really come through the back and you're like, I'm not in that zone right now, I need to know. So let's just all communicate and take it moment by moment, everyone. And that's sort of our treatise.

Watch movie challengers if you want a little educational video. I'm not in that zone right now. I need to know. So let's just all communicate and take it moment by moment, everyone. And that's sort of our challenge. If you want a little educational video. But again, you never see any three some challenges. You don't see any penetration.

Anyway, what's penetrated me is the new album. It's a really penetrative album, emotionally penetrative, obviously sonically and physically penetrative, penetrative in the best way, in a way that I invite and I'm open wide for. Angels, if you're listening, this might be offensive to the guests. If you mourn XCX World the way that some of us out here do, this album is gonna give you everything you want and more. You're about to party. We're about to party.

But you're also about to feel, and this is what I love about our guest and like it's just so sort of singular and iconic is like what I love is like, you know, like emotional pop music and you always get our guests perspective, her POV. It's always interesting and specific no matter what it is. I was telling Bowen like when we were just at Predamonjay where we have all of our good conversations. I'm a huge fan of our guest ballads. You're a ballad girl. I'm a ballad girl and like you give that

and I'm just so excited. The new album Brat is coming out June 7th. June 7th, she's doing the Brat tour and then she's going to the Sweat tour with Troye Sivan. And then she's going back to the Brat tour. Yeah. So she's doing Brat Sweat Brat. Why are you laughing?

It's just so funny that I'm just silent. That you're just sitting there. I'm like, I'm not sure when I'm supposed to. Don't you worry. One, two, three, Charlie XCX! That was so fun, just listening to you guys gab away. We're gabbers. We can say the same thing about what you gab and sing about on your records.

We're having fun too. Oh good. You are the most fun. You do truly intrinsically understand how to make us have fun. Oh, that's so nice. We were having fun on the way in. You've got a big day. Got a big day.

We're recording this. We're going to release it closer to the album release, but you're going on Seth with Troy. And then Watch Your Heavens Life also with Troy. Are you on with the housewife, do you know? No, I'm so sad about that. You're just on solo? No, it's another man. Okay. I couldn't tell you who it is.

Yeah, exactly. And I love that we will find out later who it is when the episode airs and we'll be like, oh, that's who. And I'll be like, I love you, you're such a fan. Summer House Martha's Vineyard, I love that show. Exactly, exactly, exactly. No, I don't know, I think his name's Joe. Joe.

Joe Biden. He sounds great. Joe Biden. It's you and Joe Biden. And honestly, he's gonna ask you to be VVP. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. They're gonna really burn us out. Yeah.

We were talking here about, last time you weren't on, you were not as versed in the Bravo verse. True. And now you are all in on Salt Lake City. Exactly. So you asked us a really important question, which was, you wanna ask this again? Yeah, my question for you both is,

are you pro Monica or anti Monica? Anti, sorry. No, no, no, that's okay. We, the way we answered was- Anti Monica. We're anti Monica. We were, don't make fun of our guest's accent. I say auntie as well.

We were, so my answer was in the beginning, when it all went down, we were very anti. We were like, get her off. Like none of the women want to film with her. Like she is not allowed anywhere near them. And then now that they announced that she is no longer there, we're like, oh, it's gonna miss something. It's the Travis Day. My thing is, like, I just want to watch a show

where everyone speaks to each other because it gets boring when you have a cast that's like, I'm not talking to her. Like, you'll see, like, once you branch out to other franchises, it's like, when a cast is, like, not operating as a group, it's bad. And they were also scorched earth with Monica at the end, like unwilling to speak to her. Can you give thoughts on Mary Cosby from your Charlie perspective?

I mean, this woman is just... She's on the album. She's going to be on the album. Yeah. The full remix record is just her. It's just Mary. She is... I mean, I don't even know where you begin. It's like, I love her and I hate her. Sure, but do we all agree? You love her and you hate her.

No, that's totally fair. My friend saw her at Sunset Tower. Oh wow. She plays. And apparently she was really rude to her. Oh, that tracks 100 million percent. She was like, my friend was like, oh, can I sit here at the bar?

And she was like, no. Oh! And then my friend was like, do you have someone coming? And she was like, yeah. And then obviously no one came. And it was just for her bag. Oh my God, Mary. But then at the same time, I'm like,

That's Mary. Legend. Yeah, legend, let her do what she wants. The inbred comment? Yeah. I was gonna say, and then she called your friend inbred or something. I'm sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the inbred comment followed Yeah. I was going to say, and then she called your friend Inbred or something. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the Inbred comment followed up with Heather asking her, did you really call me Inbred? And she goes, I did. I did. I did. I guess. Iconic. Like, yeah, you dumb bitch, I did.

Do you realize that kind of look? I do. I do. And then when they like went through it at the reunion too, it was so bizarre because Heather was kind of just like threw up her hands and was like, listen, I respect that she said it. she speaks her truth They talked to her like she's five years old either she's a mental patient which she might be and like Afraid of her. They're afraid. I mean she gets a lot of free passes

Yeah, you know because well that was funny when she was on watch what happens live Like they asked her a question like why did you come back and she fully just goes to help you guys out? Oh I said not a lie I mean love love Cuz you want to know why there's like not a thirsty bone in her body or like a bothered bone in her body because you can Tell she doesn't really get it. So she's just like gonna show up and say whatever the fuck it is. The rumor is now that she called Lisa Barlow's youngest son the R-word. That is the rumor that's happening for next season.

Thoughts on that. You don't have to react. I see. I see. I can imagine it happening. You can imagine it happening. Yeah. I can imagine it happening. I'm fascinated by her wardrobe. Yes. And the choices.

And the choices. Many colors, many patterns. It's like she got dressed in the dark five times in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she just went out with all of it on. And isn't it funny that she's like the fashion girl? She's the fashion girl. I mean, the thing is, she's going to come for us.

So are you ready? Like if she hears this, she's coming for us. I wonder. I don't think she cares. I don't think she cares what we think. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, I don't know. That would be a chic feud for you though.

Like a really good. CharlieXX and Mary M. Cosby. Y'all start a feud. That's what no one would ever see coming. No, it would be so good. It would be so good. I'm pro Monica. You're pro Monica, that's great. I just wanna pivot back to that. I'm pro Monica. You're pro Monica, that's great. I just wanna pivot back to that.

I'm pro Monica. And you said to us, you know what she did wasn't really that bad. And we agree, but it would be like if Troy ran a troll account for like an anti Charlie Troy, like troll account. Like everyone leave after my set. But is,

but is, was she, okay, here's the thing. I'm pretty like flag in the sand on like I'm pro moniker. But I haven't actually done much research into reality Von T's. So I'm basing that on nothing. But I've heard from friends who I trust dearly that she wasn't really like talking shit about the women. So she was, it was really more of a Jen Shah thing.

Yeah, and obviously that was her narrative on the show, which I was a little bit like, okay. Yeah, yeah. But you know, God love her, but I was like, surely she's using that a little bit. But my reliable friends say that was the case, that she wasn't really talking about the women. I believe you're a reliable friend.

So then I'm just like, also I'm like, guys, you're on Housewives. Yeah, yeah'm just like, also I'm like, guys, you're on Housewives. Yeah, you know what it was though. You know, she caught calling Kessel Black. 100%. She ran out of steam when it came to defending herself and explaining it.

Like I felt like she sort of like threw up the white flag as it were when it was go time. It was like, okay, this is the reunion, explain what it was and what ex it was like, okay, this is the reunion, explain what it was and what exonerates you about this. And it felt like she kind of just took it because she got confused and started to lean into the villain narrative,

thinking that's what people would want when it was like, no, what you want is to stay on the show and they won't film with you unless you can get them on board. And then I think she was like gearing up to bring out that burn book prop like she was like That was rough and a half the burn book didn't man That all went a bit awry didn't it? Yeah, you've got a mean girls track on your album I have I love this song. Thank you. It really is for that girl. Thank you

And for gays that are trying to be that girl that day. Yeah. You know what's interesting about that song is, I'm gonna take these off. Do I have marks there? No, you don't. Okay, excellent. So the thing is about the Mean Girls song on my album is that it's kind of like...

A fascination with women like that and the culture. Yeah, oh, you know what? I was actually totally in my brain talking about a different song on my record. No, I remember we were talking about Mean Girls. Yep. Sorry. No, that really is just about like being a bitch. Yeah. Which we love. Which we love. What song were you thinking of?

Sorry. I was thinking about Girls So Confusing. Yeah. Wait. I have questions about this. And okay about this and okay, you don't wonder if you have answers I think you've already and look we're not entitled to any information. Okay, who's this about? No Miriam Cosby Totally, you know, I haven't this is early Yeah, like this is the first time spoken about the song. You guys are the first people to ask me. So I haven't quite decided whether I'm revealing.

Reveal. Yeah, no problem. When I wrote it, I was like, I'm revealing. But now, you know, now the time is here. I'm like, I'm revealing. Do you think I should reveal? I think. Not for your benefit, just in general.

I think that whatever is going to. I feel... At some point, yeah, in 30 years. My thing is, people are gonna guess. Yeah. I've already guessed. I feel like you probably both have an accurate guess. And I'm not gonna ask you to say it out loud because you'll tell by my face. Yeah. Okay.

But afterwards I'm gonna ask. It's probably that person. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, hey... Yeah. Say it with your eyes. I think it's... I think it's, yeah. Well, you know, right? Yeah. Like, say it with your eyes. I think it's, yeah. Okay, okay.

Now, I think- I have the same feelings on this person. But wait, I have to explain that song. Yes, yes, yes. I have to explain that song. Please, please, please. So the thing is, it's like, I think we live in this world of pop music right now where women are like,

I support other women, I love women, I'm a feminist. And that's great. Like, love that. But there's artifice to it. It's other women. I love women. I'm a feminist. And that's great. Like, love that. But there's artifice to it. It's a lot. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I don't think that you become a bad feminist if you maybe don't see eye to eye with every single woman. That's just like not the nature of human beings.

No. There is a competitiveness between us. There is envy. There is camaraderie. There is, you know, all There is envy. There is camaraderie. There is, you know, all of these different, like, dynamics. And I mean, I feel that working in entertainment, there is this kind of dance that we all do with each other. Whether you're in music, whether you're in your world, like, no matter how you identify,

there is this dance that everybody's watching each other. Everybody's like posing in the picture like, hey, oh my gosh, so nice to see you. My collaborator and good friend. Yeah, but then you're also like, I want what they have. And then the next thing you're like, they suck. I killed it today. And this happens, but no one really is like willing

to discuss it, but we all really is willing to discuss it. But we all probably have our person. Yes. Or maybe a few different people. And I'm sure we are that person for other people. And I just find that there is this strange, unspoken thing that often happens, particularly with women, because there is such a narrative of pitting women

against each other within music. And sometimes that's not totally fabricated. Do you know what I'm saying? Sometimes there is like, what's the phrase? Smoke, weather, smoke, this fire. I do feel like that sometimes does happen. And sometimes it's like, I don't know, everybody's just doing this little square dance. Totally.

This idea of like, oh, women are pitted against each other. That shouldn't make you feel any worse or more complicated about the fact that like, it happens. It's not why is it this red line all of a sudden? Yeah. You're not supposed to get into any other conflict with any of your peers. Yeah. It's like, it's unrealistic. It's unrealistic. And you're not saying fuck her. You're saying it's confusing when I feel like we got a lot of people saying that we do great stuff together.

It feels like the vibe is good and then I'm confused. It's like, am I okay with who the audience might fill in this spot? Yeah. Well, that's the other thing about it. It's like, for me, this is like my favorite part of the high artness of music and the low artness of like pop star. Yeah. Discourse.

Like I like the marriage of the two and I like that maybe people are getting it wrong, but they're like having fun playing the game. Because I think that that brings like kind of this three-dimensional world to songs. You know, outside of just like, the song's really good. It's like, it's nice to plant like theories and ideas and let people like live their kind of Paris, Lindsay fantasy with it. You know? Engage in that way.

It's fun. But I also think it does this thing of like, with the whole record, I'm kind of like doing that in ways it's like holding a mirror to this kind of culture that we're in right now where everybody is really I Feel like everybody is like their moral compass has to be so in check all the time, right? But it's like sometimes it's just like fun if it's not yeah Everybody the listeners like your moral compass isn't always like bang on like everybody's a little fuck

Yeah, everybody's like feel like shady everybody has like thoughts of all these different things like Everyone's kind of a bitch sometimes and that's okay. Like it doesn't make you a bad person It makes you a flawed human being a bad person, it makes you a flawed human being. It's essentially what we all are. Yeah, a dynamic person. And we want artists to put that into work too, because it like, I mean, I can't stand the morality thing as it applies. But when did pop stars, and let's just include and lump in like actors and shit, like when did they become like moral paragons?

Because like, at Chateau Marmont, like in the 70s, there would be signs up that said, no actors. It's like, we were like, they were like the rowdy fucking like chaotic people. And that's what everyone understood them to be. And it's like, these are not good people, keep them out. You know what I mean? And like, maybe that's okay. Yeah, I wonder like, it's interesting,

this celebrity culture, especially over the past like 10, maybe 15 years has really like changed a lot in that I think niceness became a commodity. Yeah. Whereas before niceness wasn't cool. Right. You know, it wasn't like cool to be nice. No.

Yeah. And then like suddenly it really was. It was like, oh, well, if you're not nice, like you're dead. You know? But it actually just used to be like really cool to be like Cunty and a bitch and I feel like we're slowly edging back there, but I still think we're in our nice era I still feel like we're in our like Everybody has to be so nice all the time and that's like cool if you're like really actually just like chill and nice Yeah, sometimes I'm like I see you see through it

I think everything is too sensitive now to actually hide who you are. Like you know what I mean? Like the media is like if people are watching, they're watching so closely so that you can't really get away with like putting on a persona anymore that's like really different from who you are because we see so much of it and we're inundated in the discourse and etc. That like we're ahead of the game that you're playing. Right. So be yourself. Unless you play it like really well. Which some people do. in the discourse and et cetera, that like we're ahead of the game that you're playing. Right.

Unless you play it like really well. Yeah, unless you have like a really good team to cover shit up. Yeah. But I feel like, and I mean this on such a complimentary level, you, I feel like you've stuck to your cuntiness the whole way through.

Thank you. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny. It's like, I think I can be bitchy. I don't know that I'm a bitch. Right? That is a big distinction. You know, like, I'm never going to be horrible to someone for the sake of it,

because it's actually, I personally find it a lot harder to be like deliberately, like, dismissive or mean or whatever. You know what I mean? And don't get me wrong, I'm sure I have my bad days. Like, I'm not saying I'm insane, but I'll also just like tell it how it is. And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but it's actually just, I'm just being real because I don't think that it's that interesting to have this sort of like facade of like, yeah, it's a story I'm saying.

You can twist yourself into a fucking knot. And what would really- We're all gonna die. 100%. And I'm just like, why don't you just like have fun? I mean, I think this album is kind of like on this frontline where a lot of artists are doing this now where it is like transparency.

I'm breaking the fourth wall. Like you're singing about A.G. and Sophie and like Hudmo for the first time probably, right? In a little way. And like you're being very real about shit. Like you're singing, I don't wanna spoil the rest of the album, but like you're singing about things

that like are very surprising. And I'm like, oh, I didn't think she would be, she would have a song about like, I think, is that, I think about it all the time? Yeah. Yeah, the song about babies. Track 14 is that? Yeah. Yeah Yes, yeah I just remember because what? Track 14 No, no, no, it's an old school analog Yes

I just remember it goes into the last track and I love the two together because it's such a psych out like it's like you're talking about like Really weighing things in your in the way where you are in life Like now is the time when I should maybe really think about a family if that's what I want Like is it okay with you that I think about this like yeah this occupies a lot of space and then the next song is keys Is this her answering it or is this her having fun? Or is it both? It's not the answer. I definitely don't think I have an answer. Yeah.

If you have baby fever, do cocaine is what you're saying. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah. All brand deals, gone. So that's cool. But no, I don't have an answer, but I think it's an interesting question to muse over because I mean, do you guys have many friends who have kids? Our female friends are really starting. I mean like even in the past six to eight months like

Four or five of my friends have had their yeah. Mm-hmm. Like one of my friends had her third kid. Wow. Yeah Wow. Wow. Is this your friend group? I don't have loads of friends who have kids yet but I had kind of one like major friend in my life who's a songwriter who had a baby and she was kind of the inspiration for this song because I went to her house to visit her in Stockholm with her partner they've been together for like years but they never really were like we're having kids it just kind of happened you know and then it was just so crazy going over to their apartment, writing songs with them.

She's wearing the same clothes she always wore. The apartment's the same. They're exactly the same. We're writing songs. But it's just like everything is different. Because she has the key to this door that like I'm not even in the same room as yet. Do you know what I mean? You talk about this like it's almost like they now know something you don't know. And it's that wanting that like is driving the question in you. Exactly.

That's really interesting. Exactly. And it's like you don't, not to say that you can't, you know, get the same sort of level of... Intimacy. Purpose and intimacy. I'm not saying that, but I just, I think particularly like with her, for me, I was just like, wow, like we used to be so similar and now your worldview, even though you're saying all the same things and you're the same person,

you're also just like completely different because you have this new perspective that I can't even really begin to understand. Yeah. You know, and it's just strange. But does it not give you some comfort that like she is wearing the same clothes, nothing about her. Absolutely. No, it's totally comforting. But then it's at the same time, it's just like, I'm missing out. Like, and I think for me, it drives me to this place of like, do I want kids? Will I feel this new lease of life and this whole new world open up if I have kids?

Will I feel resentment towards the kid? Will I seamlessly be able to do both things in exactly the way that I want? No, probably not unless I like kind of disregard the kid. Like, you know, there's just so many questions. You want to do an amazing job at both. Yeah. And so I would also, if I were in that position, I'll never have children, but if I were really,

if it was something that was on my mind, I would worry that it would like harm my passion and like what I know I'm supposed to do. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to change the way that I relate to myself as like this person who, like in your case, is out there creating and like being this like pop idol. And then, I don't know, like it would it would change a lot.

You don't know that you're going to be exactly like your friend wearing the same shit, talking about the same shit. Like for some people, it really changes. But I feel like you have already been through a situation where everything was taken from you in some sense with lockdown. Your response to that was how I'm feeling now. So I feel like in a big life change situation like that, you already kind of... I'm not saying it would happen exactly that way, but you already know that your response

would be to keep making... True. That's pretty interesting. I never thought of it like happen exactly that way, but you already know that like your response would be to like keep making our... True. That's, yeah, that's pretty interesting. I never thought of it like that. No? Yeah. Connecting dots? ["Bestie Boys"]

What's up, y'all? So in a recent episode of Quest Love Supreme, my co-hosts, I'm P. Bill and Sugar Steve, and I sat down with the king at rock of the Beastie Boys. We talked about the early days of the Beasties, thinking for records around the globe, and how he makes music these days in a cabin in the mountains. Oh, and this jewel.

I was trying to start a band in the 90s called the Nasal Tongues. Me and Q-Tip and MC Milk and Be Real. Listen to Questlove Supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. It's John, also known as Dr. John Paul. And I'm Jordan, or Joe Ho. And we are the BlackFatFilm Podcast.

A podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. Ooh, chat. This year we have had some of our favorite people on including Kid Fury, T.S. Madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey show, Angela Carrasque and more. Make sure you listen to the Black Fat Fam podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or whatever you get your podcast girl.

Ooh, I know that's right. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro, host of the hit podcast, Family Secrets. I know that's right. from everyone. And what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child? These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our 11th season of Family Secrets. Some of you have been with us since season one and others are just tuning in. Whatever the case and wherever you are, thank you for being part of our Family Secrets family, where every week we explore the secrets that are kept from us, the secrets we keep from others,

and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Listen to Season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, I'm Madison Packer, a pro hockey veteran going on my 10th season in New York. And I'm Anya Packer, a former pro hockey player and now a full Madison Packer stan.

Anya and I met through hockey, and now we're married and moms to two awesome toddlers. And on our new podcast, Moms Who Puck, we're opening up about the chaos of our daily lives between the juggle of being athletes, raising children, and all the messiness in between. We're also turning to fellow athletes and beyond to learn about their parenthood journeys and collect valuable advice, like FIFA World Cup winner Ashlyn Harris. I wish my village would have prepared me for how hard motherhood was going to be. And Peloton instructor and Ratchet Mom Club founder,

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She made her choice she chose herself when it comes to love choose you first. Hi everyone I'm Amy Robach and I'm TJ Holmes and we are, well, not necessarily relationship experts. If you're ready to dive back into the dating pool and find lasting love, finally, we want to help. Listen to iDo Part 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. wherever you listen to podcasts. Last time I saw you was at SNL and at the good nights, you were like, what's going on after? And I was like, there's a horse meat disco.

And then I almost took you. No, but I went after. You didn't miss much. That was that, we love horse meat. I mean, you know this because you do it, but it's- It's a lot of energy. It's late.

It's late. It's late. It's late. But like the boiler room set looks fucking hot. No, that was late, but it's, I mean, this is like- Late. Because when do you end? One.

And then like- And then you go to the funny Mexican restaurant. We go- Where was it? Rosa Mexicana. Rosa Mexicana. What is, okay. We rotate restaurants. Yeah, go, go, go. Why isn it? Rosa Mexicana. Rosa Mexicana. What is, okay. We rotate, we rotate restaurants.

Yeah, go, go, go. Why isn't it, okay. The same place? Why isn't it just a better place? You know what, you really roll the dice. And I can say this and he can't, but like sometimes I'm like, where are we going? And it's either a fuck yes or a come on.

But has it? It has been a fuck yes. Who was it? I've been to two. Yeah. Who was it? I went to two. Yeah. And they would, I went Rosa Mexicana. Rosa Mexicana was Oscar Isaac. Yeah.

And I mean, I had fun, I had fun. You had a margarita. But it was funny. And you described it as a funny restaurant. And it is a very funny restaurant. It's hilarious. And we love Rosa Mexicana so much. We love them.

We love them. But we want a table tonight. Brand deal's gone. My brand deal with Rosa Mexicana so much. We love them. We love them. But we want a table tonight. Brand deal's gone. My brand deal with Rosa Mexicana is gone. It's gone. It's gone. But I, like, so Charlie Famously- But surely it's not a budget thing.

It kind of is. Like, it's getting a little slushy. I know. It's a budget thing. What are you talking about? You need to come back when the party is at, La Venue at Saks, it's chic. There's room to walk around.

But Charlie Famously was the musical guest during the Omicron episode where it fucking crashed down. Oh, everyone's chic, there's room to walk around. But Charlie famously was the musical guest during the Omicron episode where it fucking crashed down. Well, can I say, can I reveal, like on the monitors on Thursday, like all the writers were fucking screaming because it was like, oh my God, it's like Caroline Polojack's here, Christine's here, they're doing new shapes.

And then the world missed out on like the three of you being on the same stage on TV doing new shapes. It was, that was crazy. Tragic. That was crazy. Also, because yeah, I guess we never did that performance. Oh, fuck. There was, we were on a, did you see a sound check?

We were on a spinning platform. So cool. And like, I love Caroline and Christine, but my God, that, it was crazy. Like because- You guys go crazy on that. It was like, Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way, But my God, that it was crazy. Like, because you guys go crazy on that. It was like Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way, one speed. Christine wanted to spin the other way.

I was like, I don't care which way the fucking platform spins. As long as we decide. Everyone has COVID. It was just like so stressful. It was just like a lot. And then we finally figured out we were so feeling so good about it. But like dancing on the platform, we're not falling over. We like we good about it. We're like dancing on the platform. We're not falling over. We like, we fucking killed it. And then we're literally, we were in like, we were getting ready.

Like- And then on Saturday? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in gum and then Caroline was like, it's not happening. I was like, what do you mean? You're not coming? And she was like, no, it's like, it's-

They pulled the plug on it. Yeah. Yeah. Was that what happened? They pulled the plug on it entirely? Well, not my meatball sketch, thank God. Oh yes, Charlie played a meatball. No, but that was the plug on it. Yeah. Yeah. Was that what happened? They pulled the plug on it entirely? Well, not my meatball sketch. Thank God. Oh yes, Charlie played a meatball.

No, but that was the Oscar Isaac show. Was it? That was the second show. That was the time you came back. Oh, I got a chicken. Chicken. I did some pre-paint sketch with Paul Rudd. Oh, you were a chicken or a parrot?

Yeah, parrot, parrot, parrot. You were a parrot. Yeah, and I was kind of like, oh, well, at least I kept that a little bit. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was like me and Paul, it was Paul Rudd, right? It was Paul Rudd, yeah.

Yeah. Wow. That's a good one though, to play a chicken with Paul Rudd, that's so SNL coded. Yeah, it was. In a way. It's like I went on there and I did sketch comedy.

Yeah. That was a chicken. Yeah, yeah. I was a chicken and a meatball, but then you were, but then the second show you did Baby, and then what did you do? I did Beg for You.

Beg for You. Yeah. Oh my, and Rena wasn't there. Rena was not there. No. But speaking of Sunset Tower, Sunset Tower holds a very special place in my heart because that was where I was when Crash came out.

The whole album and I like, was just me in a room, listening to that whole album, went to the tour. You were fantastic. And I still say that that is the most well-behaved audience. Yeah. Because it's these lovely E boys and girls who just jump up and down vertical. No one's like throwing elbows in the pit. You know what I mean?

Everyone like watches their space and they're so well-behaved. They're polite. They're angels are polite. But with this, do you want them to get a little bit more chaotic? I always want them to get chaotic. Whenever they, you know, I'm lucky

because whenever I bump into like a mass group of angels, they're very like sweet. And they're like, wait in line and they like have the lids off their sharpie, like they're organized. Oh my God, I love it. Yeah, it's never like a shit show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I saw this um

TikTok of Paris Hilton had done like a signing. Yeah. And it had got a little hectic and someone had like drawn on her like Chanel bag with a sharpie. And I was just like that I mean I'm sure there's like. Not in your class. There's lots more where it came from. But that is really like that's such a bummer That would never happen with the angel Not on your blue blancia. I got no Just a banana in it always I always travel I brought banana here left it on the plane. You did you have my favorite? What's my bag? Cuz you have the banana you have the lineage

Yeah, and you have the barado. Is it the the true emotion? No, no, no, no. That's, that's no. What is it? It's the mixed emotion. You and I have the same fragrance. Yeah. I'm wearing La Tulip today. La Tulip is good. It's a new, I haven't done it before.

I like it. It's a Barreto. I like it. A new fragrance is a thing. Yeah. Like I've switched and it's just like. What are you on? I am on De Los Santos from Barreto.

Yeah, okay. I have that too. And I will say Bowen Yang really tried to get me into Sunday Cologne. I've switched and it's just like I am on De Los Santos from my radio Okay, I have that I will say Bo and Yang really tried to get me into Sunday cologne and that was not for me It's called no. No, it's it's by right as well. Oh Sunday. Yes, Sunday something rainy Sunday. No, that's much I think about Sunday cologne. It's just It's just Sunday Cologne guys. It's called Sunday Cologne. Now I found De Los Santos and I was actually wearing it.

It had its debut at Coachella on me. And I felt very good. By the way, you didn't see me but I saw you last year. That went off. People were getting fun rowdy at that. How was Coachella this year? Coachella this year was fucking great. But Lana Del Rey makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song. Yes she does. Because hot girls listen to Lana Del Rey makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song. Yes, she does. Because hot girls listen to Lana Del Rey.

Hot mean girls listen to Lana Del Rey. It's true. It's true. I feel like any cool, genuinely cool girl, not only likes Lana Del Rey, but understands the lore of Lana in a really deep way. Yeah. She's so fucking real. She's an art figure. She really is something else. She's symbolic.

She's symbolic for something. Yeah. Right. Yes. When I was hearing that song, I was like, I see this girl. Yeah. You see her. Yeah.

She like smokes skinny cigarettes. And being, being. And she's a little like, ugh. Yes. She's a little bit like- She's got a vocal fry. Vocal fry. Vocal fry. But it doesn't feel dated, it feels very good on her. Yeah, absolutely.

And I will say, being at Coachella around 75,000 of those girls was a good vibe. Cool. And I wasn't sure about her doing the Friday night because I felt like that should be a party. In my head, I was like, switch Doja and Lana, put Lana on Sunday night, Doja will get everything started. And then now having seen it, I'm like, everything was exactly

as it should have been. Everything was perfect. Yeah. Did you go? I didn't go. No. I was stuck at work. He's never been.

I've never been. What people do with your music, though, I think, like, if we're going to compare Lana heads to, like, angels, people who, like, really, like, love you, I feel like you get people to like do the digging of like, oh my God, like it's this, there's this whole album that you know, like they really start to like dig through the crate.

And I think people love to like take your stuff, all the stems, whatever, and then just like rearrange it. And like they have fun with the building blocks that you're giving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think my music is like intrinsically like for the night. Yes. You know, you can listen to it in the day, you can listen to it in the car, like whatever. But generally it's like the best night time.

I remember like I saw you at the Wiltern a few years ago and just like what was happening on stage was so great. One of my favorite songs of yours is I Don't Want To Know. And like I just like you had had this really cool purple light, just like, I don't know, just like, you're not like synesthetic, are you? I am, but I've, yeah. I can tell.

What do you mean, like someone got into your face and was like, you're not actually me. No, no, it's like one of those things where, you know, when you do your first interviews and it's like one of the first things you've ever said, and then like- Yeah, it follows you. It's- Because people are like, she's synesthetic, test her. Yeah. But like when you do your first interviews and it's like one of the first things you've ever said. And then like- It follows you. Because people are like, she's synesthetic, test her.

Yeah. But like you actually do experience that. Yeah, and for me it's like really helpful with writing. Yeah. When I'm writing, I'm like, this song is purple. Like, and then I'll be like, A.G., make the purple stuff. Yes, I wanted to ask you this question about like,

when you sit down to write a song, is it like, because it feels like equal parts important and obviously it is but I guess my question is is it the sounds and like where you're going sonically that dictates what something is gonna be about or do you come in with an emotion that you need to get out? With this record it's been very much that I came in with what I wanted to say whereas on previous records it's not actually really been like this. With this record, it's been so lyrically led.

Like I've been like, I wanna write a song about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom and dad, which is Apple. Or like, I wanna write the song about not being sure if I wanna have kids. Or, you know, like, it's been very very like It's there. It's in my head like mean girls kind of like piecing that around like a few different girls I know and thinking about like qualities that they have and putting that in a song 360 And your bookends are there Yeah, thanks. Yeah, and with that it was very like, okay, I want to talk about me being a sonic reference for

people, but through the lens of Julia kind of being the New York, like, it girl, street fashion girl that everybody's referencing, you know? Julia Fox, meaning. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like very specific and then kind of fun to build out these like pop songs that hopefully like a lot of people can relate to, but they're coming from like quite a specific idea and place.

And why do you think it didn't happen with the other albums? It just like wasn't the way it was? I think I was writing very much like the way I would write on previous records. We would build a track and then I would get on the microphone and literally be like, ah, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la You're saying this is lyrically led. Lyrically led and not really focusing too much on rhyme or worrying about like what fits within a stanza or anything like that, you know? So actually just, I was really able to kind of just write lyrics that I would actually say in a conversation rather than crafting them into this sort of like song version of what I would say. And even like melodically in the way that like the song forms around,

like even with girl so confusing, it's girl. You know what I mean? Like there's something there that's the melody. Like the way you really say it, like I want to do this. So you know what I mean? Like, you know, it's just like, it feels like it's born out of something you want to say. Yes. This time and to hear that you say that is, yeah, it works.

But back on this thing of like, I think this is like extremely transparent in the way. And it is like holding up this mirror because like the Rorschach test of this album is the cover and everyone having all these opinions about like the cover. Right? And I think you kind of threw it back at people in a nice way where you're like, no, this is actually like,

this completely reveals what you think like a pop girl should appear and how they should put out their work and stuff like that, which I think is great. But I think with the content of the album, it's more about like, guys, like, I think about like crazy dark shit about like my career. I'm not putting words in your mouth,

but it's like, I think it is your most vulnerable album because you are being very honest about like, how you regard yourself in a way that would have never occurred to me. You know what I mean? Like, there are very honest about like, how you regard yourself in a way that would have never occurred to me. You know what I mean? Like, there are allusions to like, your career being in this in-between. And I'm like, oh, like six albums in,

like you feel that way. Yeah, totally. Well, I just, it's, I think there aren't many people who have a path that I have. There are some, Robin being one, and I think that's why there's a lot of like synergy between the two of us. But you know, somebody who had, speaking about Robin now, huge commercial success right at the beginning of her career. And then kind of had to like rebrand.

And then became this kind of gay icon, kind of like girl of the night. No, that sounds wrong. But you know, like nighttime music, like club, like always, no matter what she does, is always going to be kind of like looked upon as like a really important artist who's kind of like treading new ground and you know, kind of like timeless. And I think, you know, we share similarities in that, you know, not my first music, but music for my second record was globally like commercially successful. But at that point of time for me, I didn't really have my artistry kind of totally figured out in the way that I feel that I do have now.

I mean, there were definitely like good through threads, but when I look at, for example, like Sour, Olivia Rodrigo, I'm like, oh, I wish I'd done Sucker kind of like that. Like, because I think there are parallels within those universes, but I think she just did it better. Because I think she... I don't know. I don't think I knew myself that well at that point in time when I was doing that record.

And I look at some of the decisions she made and I'm like, oh, wow, it's like still very like pop and kind of like touching on this like live, like punkish stuff. But it's done in a way that to me is still very cool. Whereas I feel like when I look back on Sucker, there are elements of it that I'm like, oh, that's just a bit annoying.

You know what I mean? I've told you though, that like true romance is still the perfect, I don't know how you feel about that album, but it's like, I feel like that is still core Charlie. That is still like, that's the through thread. That's the through line. You know what I mean?

And like, I still listen to So Far Away and I'm like, this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting in, she's put out through her whole career. And like, that is like music of the night. Where it's like, it's like the beginnings of like bedroom pop. This whole thing now that has this whole, you know, life and culture around it. Like, I think you really broke ground in that way with it. Like, Sucker is its own thing and that must have been so strange and so complicated, but it's still a great record.

But True Romance, I think it's still like you can always, always fall back on that first record. Yeah, I love that record. I love that record. But yeah, anyways, I think it's like, it's just interesting. My career hasn't been like A to B. It's been like kind of, it's like a weird like- A, J, P, Q, R. It's everywhere, you know? There's A, T in there, yeah. Totally. And it's like straddling this like commercial thing.

Also being a songwriter, also being linked to the underground. Yeah. Disregarding that and coming back and forth. You know, it's a mess. It's not a mess. It's that I think I'm sure you're so sick of being- It's a mess in a nice way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

People don't have that trajectory anymore because we're so afraid to take the risk, whether from the label or from the artists themselves. I think you have been so good about using whatever the apparatus is, whatever you have within you to just make it. That's how I'm feeling now is to me. It's like, you just fucking made it. Thank you. You know what I mean?

What's up, y'all? You know what I mean? What's up, y'all? So, in a recent episode of Quest Love Supreme, my co-hosts, Ampey Bill and Sugar Steve and I sat down with the king at rock of the Beastie Boys. We talked about the early days of the Beasties, thinking for records around the globe, and now he makes music these days in a cabin in the mountains. Oh, and this jewel. I was trying to start a band in the 90s

called the Nasal Tongues. Me and Q-Tip and MC Milk and Be Real. Listen to Questlove Supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's John, also known as Dr. John Paul. And I'm Jordan or Joe Ho. And we are the BlackFatFilm Podcast. A podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.

Woo chat, this year we have had some of our favorite people on including Kid Fury, T.S. Madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey Show, Angela Carrasso and more. Make sure you listen to the Black Fat Fam podcast on the iHeartRadio app, other podcasts or whatever you get your podcast girl. Ooh, I know that's right. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro, host of the hit podcast, Family Secrets. How would you feel if when you met your biological father for the first time he didn't even say hello? And how would you feel if your doctor advised you to keep your life-altering medical procedure a secret from everyone? And

what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child? These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our 11th season of Family Secrets. Some of you have been with us since season one, and others are just tuning in. Whatever the case, and wherever you are, thank you for being part of our Family Secrets family, where every week we explore the secrets

that are kept from us, the secrets we keep from others, and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Listen to Season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone. I'm Madison Packer, a pro hockey veteran going on my 10th season in New York. And I'm Anya Packer, a former pro hockey player and now a full Madison Packer stan. Anya and I met through hockey and now we're married and moms to two awesome toddlers. And on our new podcast, Moms Who Puck, we're opening up about the chaos of our daily lives between the juggle of being athletes, raising children, and all the messiness in between.

We're also turning to fellow athletes and beyond to learn about their parenthood journeys and collect valuable advice, like FIFA World Cup winner Ashlyn Harris. I wish my village would have prepared me for how hard motherhood was gonna be. And Peloton instructor and Ratchet Mom Club founder, Kirsten Ferguson. And I remember going in there hot mess.

So listen to Moms Who Puck, a production of iHeart Women's Sports and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Jenny Garth, Jana Kramer, Amy Robach, and TJ Holmes bring you I Do Part 2, a one-of-a-kind experiment in podcasting to help you find love again. If you didn't get it right the first time, it's time to try, try again as they guide

you through this podcast experiment in dating. Hey, I'm Jana Kramer. As they say, those that cannot do, teach. Actually, I think I finally got it right. So take the failures I've had, the second or even third or whatever, maybe the fourth time around. I'm Jenny Garth 29 years ago Kelly Taylor said these words I choose me she made her choice

She chose herself when it comes to love choose you first. Hi everyone I'm Amy Robach and I'm TJ Holmes and we are well not necessarily Relationship experts if you're ready to dive back into the dating pool and find lasting love, finally, we want to help. Listen to iDo Part 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You have had these like, when you describe it as a mess, it is interesting because it's like,

there's these spikes of like these mainstream moments. Like going back to like Boom Clap, like that being in like Love, Simon. Like that was like some- Fault in Our Stars. Oh, Fault in Our Stars. But it's like the same. You know what I mean?

It's the same. I'm actually the same. That kind of was our fault in our stars, although they both did, I guess. Yeah. They were still gay though. But like that, and then I remember, it was a few years ago now, but we were in the Fire Island movie, and when we found out that the boys remix was going to be in our trailer,

I was like, thank God, because this is going to get across like the fun of this, it's going to make it seem even more fun than it is. And also just like, there was something about, doesn't that song also start, Promising Young Woman? Yes. So it's just like, there are these moments in big mainstream culture that you're right there. And so I wonder how do you feel

when something is perceived on that level? Is that an exciting thing or is is a little bit like, hmm? No, no, I feel good about it. It's like, okay, I think because there are some things you mentioned that, so like Fire Island, Promising Young Woman, those things feel really exciting to me and inspiring and happy to be involved in them. But I think it's like what I've learned,

like going back and forth between this kind of like more commercial version of myself between this kind of like more commercial version of myself to this kind of more, I'm really just leading with like what's in my brain and my, you know, instinct. I've just learned now from doing it so long, I can't like fake. I just can't like fake pushing the commercial button. Like hi I'm tough girl, I'm, and we're here with Coca-Cola. I can't do it, I can't like,

and that's no disrespect to the people who do. Some people are just like made to like live in that world, and like they wanna make the music that is gonna like really succeed in that world, and it's really hard to succeed in that world. Like I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like, I just can't do it because when I've written those songs, and I put them out, it's like, they only go so far because...

I think there's a block that the fans see as well. They're just like, she's not that girl. Like, that's not who she really is. She's not that girl. Like, some of them can, like maybe less hardcore fan can get down with it. But it's like, you know, it's just like when you smell a rat or whatever.

It's like, I have to just be myself. Something in the milk ain't clean when you're not being yourself. And I can't fucking. Nor should you have to. I can't do it. I can't do it. On album six, no. Because it makes me miserable. Of course, and should you have to. I can't do it. Because it makes me miserable. You have to sing that music every night.

I think it was Dua who said we were just talking to her about her album and we were talking about this like theme that she has of like positivity and the messages that she has are usually like up and she's like well I have to sing it every fucking night. So if it's gonna be something that's in my mouth every single night, it better taste good. Like, you know what I mean? That's so funny because I'm the opposite of that. Yeah. Really? Like if I had to sing really overly positive, like Boom Clap is a good example.

Obviously, so different from like radical optimism, like completely different sounding records, etc. But like, that's funny that she says that. And that makes sense for her, because she is, I think she is always really kind of like seizing like the positivity in life. I kind of like to dwell in the... Yeah.

Like to kind of like sit in the shit. And externalize that because that is also a valid emotion that people out there are feeling. I have to do it. I could, yeah, that's so, that's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I feel that this is like, like the pendulum has stopped swinging.

I'm sorry, I just had like a vision of like, me performing radical optimism and do a doing brat. Doing brat. Being like, three, six, five, putty girl, bumping that. And then me doing the... Delusion. Yeah. And like, both of us like being on our,

like the versions of what those tours are. And I wanna see that. How's that, how's it going down? But this is how you know that like, you're doing the right thing is that like, you like, we love Dua. It would be crazy if she did 360. And it would be kind of crazy if you did radical optimism.

It's like, you are doing the thing you were meant to do. It is purely externalized from whatever your inner life is. And I feel like what you're saying is maybe the pendulum has stopped swinging, like you've landed in this nice space of like I'm in between or I'm more of this one thing than I am this thing. And like, I feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of this album.

It's like you look in the mirror and you see me like, and you're holding up a mirror to society. Am I being so stupid? No, she saw you illuminate me. I went, hmm. The reflective surface motif. But like, use it. Yes, I'm using it.

Come on. Use it like a mirror. Like a mirror. We gotta ask Charlie the question. Yes, we do. So this is the central question of Lost Culture. It's what was the culture that made you say culture is for you? You can look back and be like, I am largely me because of this thing I experienced.

I think it was, and maybe this is not very surprising, but I think it was like the London rave scene and that like culture of like London warehouse parties that I kind of came up through. Because that sort of in turn put me very on to kind of like club kids stuff when I was younger and when I was in art school I was always kind of like in this sort of like Lee Bowery like inspired like Michael Alec kind of. Yeah, yeah, but still there's a cool scene. Like those parties like that level of...

Party monster thing. Yes, totally. And that level of kind of like DIY aesthetic with clothes and music and yeah, I think that really formed who I am. So chic. How did you find it? I think it was from starting going to these parties, because when... It must have been like 2007, 2008 when I was going in London. I was young. I would go with my parents. Oh, wow. Which was not cool.

Were you guys like in Essex going to London? Yeah, they would drive me. I would get asked ahead of my space and I knew this like promoter who was like, come and play. And we would like drive into London and I would play at like 3 a.m. So you were being booked for these? Yeah, I was being booked. And that was kind of my first like look into kind of night life and like party culture. And at that point in time, I guess it was like our version of Indie Sleeves was going on. It was New Rave, which like, you know.

Sure, sure. Yeah. And so that was sort of like a kind of regurgitation of, you know, all the prior like first, second wave of club kids that were coming before. So I kind of just got sort of like sucked in through that way. And then you could learn about the prior wave and it felt like education.

There was some like rooting for this. It wasn't like it just kind of came up out of nowhere. Like you had a history to like soak into. I had to soak in the history because I wanted to understand like what Michael Alec was doing and what like that original like club scene and like those club kids were doing back here in New York and those levels of like crazy parties

they would throw like they threw one on a bridge where it all they like shut both ends of the bridge and like you know just this like a lore of like partying and how that kind of like spawned into music and then began to kind of create like new sounds of music. I think that it's like such a rich thing for me. Yeah. Like, oh, like you like at the limelight would have been so fucking country. Imagine. Yeah, wild. Where do you live now? Do you still like?

I'm half in LA and half in London. Yeah. Back and forth. LA out of necessity or do you like it? I am beginning to maybe be over it. I've been there for 10 years. That feels like double the amount of time it would take to be over it. Yeah.

I'm thinking about New York actually. I think New York is- I've never lived here. I think New York is New York and London like I guess like if you were someone who wanted two different experiences in the two places you live like I'm Yeah here because I want to rest meaning LA and I'm here because I want to be included in what's going on and like the culture That's London. But like New York is New York. Yeah, I do love London. You can rest in New York. I do love London too. Yeah. Did you love performing at Coachella?

I was honestly so scared. Was it scary? Yeah, because you know with Coachella... You were on the Coachella stage. Yeah, and everyone was like, it's all about the live stream. Everyone's like stressing about the live stream. So that made me kind of treat it more like TV.

Oh, sure. You know? Was that helpful or no? Well, I was happy with how it looked. So that made me kind of treat it more like TV. Oh, got it. You know? Was it helpful or no? Well, I was happy with how it looked and how I sounded because I was thinking so much about the broadcast, but it definitely like was just stressful. That wasn't like major. You know, it was a major change.

So I remember we saw Chapel in the Gobi tent. And then right after that, we walked over to Sabrina Carpenter on the Coachella stage. And I remember it felt like the energy was lower, but then I was like, oh, but on this stage, they're thinking about the live stream. Whereas in the Gobi and Sahara tents, they're just giving a live show. And it feels like that.

So the live experience does feel, I would imagine, like more alive there. And maybe as the performer, it feels more connected. Whereas like on the Coachella stage where you were, it is a lot about like, they're watching at home. Yeah, it was scary. Yeah, that's okay. I mean, would Lee Barry here? You crushed.

I was not having the best time. He wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be there. Lee Barry tells me. Lee Barry, you used to do these like videos, these little short films of him like teaching you how to like have tea. Like he was just so adorable. That's what people don't talk about with Lee Barry is like, yeah, it's like the looks and

all these things, but it's like at his heart, he was just like sensitive. He was Australian, right? Australian? Yeah. I got him confused as a Brit, but you know, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. No, we can't look it up.

I hope you're both wrong. I hope you're both wrong. But like, did it take you like, was there a developmental thing for you to like, grow up in that and then be like, I'm gonna like, do like, I'm gonna make this like, part of me? I don't think it was a choice, you know?

I think it's like… It just… I gravitated so hard towards it. I think it was like I saw elements of myself in what was being created in the worlds that I was looking into. There was like a punkness and like a kind of freeness and it felt that there was like a possibility to be a little messy and not perfect and not look a certain type of a way to still be able to express yourself and feel really like validated or something.

And I think I was searching for that a lot when I was growing up. And that that could be a version of success, is just going there and participating and being in the culture and being around people that make you feel good and not this like more calculated metric of like, well, did this happen? Did you look like this? Right. And being rewarded for being a freak.

I think that was something that really like made me like gravitate towards that world because that was what was like celebrated. Like if you were like really like wearing something like weird or like, you know what I mean? Or like... You got attention. You got like something. Got cred. Right. I was like, oh, that's cool. Like you don't have to be this kind of traditional version of beauty or talent or like whatever it is. It's like you can kind of

make a fantasy and it be valid even if it's like a little fucked and ugly, you know, or whatever. That's your route though. Like that's why it's like you don't have to worry about being like the moral model for anything. It's like just like let that shit go because you started out in this like environment where like it didn't really matter. Nightlife culture is about unrepressed everything. It's just humanity revealing itself. I'm being so like, ugh. No, I love it.

You know what I mean? No, I love it. It's so interesting. Have you done Mighty Hoopla or been to Mighty Hoopla? I don't want that. Oh, okay, great, no problem. It's this thing, it's like big queer music festival. It's like a queer music festival.

Oh, God, sorry. I'm like, what is that. It's this thing that's like big queer music festival. It's like a queer music festival in London. Oh, God, sorry. I'm like, what is that? I was like, she's probably headlined four times. No, I don't know what that is. It's in London. It's in London. It's fun. What's that?

There's that park that's like South London? Victoria Park, no. Not Victoria. I haven't done it. You haven't done it, no problem. Sorry. We're still like, no, but it's in the park. It's like a teeny tiny Coachella, but in London with all queer, queer adjacent artists. They've never asked me.

That's so fucked up. That's wild. Yeah, it's fucked. It's fucked in a crazy way. Are you excited for tour? I am. Yeah. Have you guys been wanting to tour together?

It feels like such a natural fit. Yeah, you know, we have the same manager. Oh yeah. Our manager has been trying to get us to tour together for years. Yeah. And every time we're like, yeah, like, obviously we love each other, but I think the music has never quite lined up.

And now it's like so lining up. You know? So this time when our manager like for like literally the fifth time was like, you guys want to talk together? We were like, yeah, we do. Yeah. Because it really made sense and we could see how it would really like flow and work together. Yeah.

Stuff sung together? I think so. To be honest, we're still putting it together, but I think that, yes. Yes, it's what people would want. I mean, I don't think it's gonna be like a full medley situation, but there's definitely gonna be a few moments together.

You guys should do Beauty and the Beast. You guys should take Beauty and the Beast. Absolutely. I did see you guys on the same show. Troy's been begging me. I think it was also at the Will Turn. It was years ago. You guys were on the same show. We did.

It was a bunch of artists. Yeah, it was a festival that I think we both did together. Yeah, because I remember distinctly seeing you both. I forget why. It was a pride festival that maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also mine, but I don't remember. Troy invented Pride. He totally did. He pioneers it every year. He did, yeah. Well, it's going to be so fun. It's going to be fun. I cannot wait. People were freaking out over the ticket situation, which is always a good feeling

when it's like, people get tickets! I know, so yeah, we're so happy. We're really happy, it's gonna be fun. It's like pretty quick. I know, it's like a couple months, right? It's like, not even. Is it like five weeks? Okay. Six weeks? Where is it in New York?

Is it MSG? Yes, it's MSG. Obviously, we'd love for you both to come. It's gonna be really fun. And... You know, I've paid top dollar for you. Like, I don't want the comp situation. Yeah, after anymore.

Oh, yeah, after anymore. Oh, fine, I'll take it if I have to. I'll take it if I have to. I'll twist my arm. I did hear a story one time of, I won't say any details until after, but there was an artist who was in a big feud with this other famous person,

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So this is our 60 second segment where we drag name cultural item here. I walked into this myself today, it's my own fault, but I am gonna, here we go. There's some self accountability here. This is Matt Rogers, I don't think somebody's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, wearing a graphic tee on the subway in New York.

Because here's the thing, people are gonna read it, and then they're gonna engage with it, and then you're trapped with them for, what could be as much as a half hour. So today I have a shirt on that says, is it gonna be a threesome? I'm challenges coded my whole life right now. This is Merch from Focus Features, thank you again.

And for drive away dolls. Haven't seen it yet, but can't wait sister. I just know that I was on the subway today with a gentleman who could read the shirt and did out loud. And so then he was engaging with it. It caused everyone to turn. And I said, you know what? Maybe if I hadn't worn a shirt with words on it

that could be read, I wouldn't be having a conversation at all, least of all about threesomes. And this person was not necessarily someone I wanted to engage with about threesomes. You know, if you see me wearing this and you think we would vibe, I don't know. Maybe I will be wearing it the whole rest of today. This episode comes out in like three weeks.

But I'll wear it again. Actually, yes. The day this episode is released, I'm gonna be walking the streets of New York wearing it. Say hi, but not if you're like a crazy person on the subway. And that's one minute. So that's my out of the question.

I mean. That was so good. Thank you. I'm gonna suck at this. No, you're not. I'm gonna try my best. You're gonna be so good. You're gonna be so good.

We all know you talk super fast. Do I? On recorded media, you go so fast. Let me tell you something. Do I? Like in a way, now I'm like, do I? No. Da da da da da da da da.

Is it in a way that it's like a, oh you mean in song? I'm just saying, we know you can get on the mic and live. You know, you can hit, you can rap. You know what I mean? In a way, is it like a problem? No. No. Okay. It means that you're filled with frowning things on me. Okay, okay. You can rip. You know what I mean? In a way, is it like a problem? No! No! Is it a problem?

It means you're filled for I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, okay. Yeah, everyone's thing about Charlie is they're like, yeah, she just talks too fast. We know she's supposed to listen so fast. I'm just kidding. No, I'm just saying like, I've heard the album and I know that you can keep up the tempo.

I understand. And Belen Yang, speaking of tempo, you ready to fucking do this? Yeah. Okay, so this is Belen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey pubic hair, why is it looking different down there than up here?

I look like Miss Frizzle got a dye job, I'm curly, curly, curly, and I wish I could get a perm up here and make my, give myself a little swoop. My pubic hair is so tightly coiled down there. And when you see it on the bathroom floor, you go, oh no, that is not something I want to see. And it's, if you're living alone like me, it's just you.

I don't like how, I don't like what that's, I don't like what it says about me. I think pubic hair, like either, when you have it, it's like, oh, let's, let's sheer it. And then when you don't have it, it's like, oh, let's, let's sheer it. And then when you don't have it, it's like, sheer. Well, now you look like a fucking mole rat. Yeah, 100%. There's no in between.

15 seconds. Why can't we just stay there? And I'm sure as hell ain't laser removing it because it's like, because like I said, if it's gone, it looks even crazier than if it is a forest. Five seconds left. If it is a jungle. And I have a really crazy situation.

I don't know why it's different down there. Isn't body hair all supposed to be the same? And that's one minute. You are the only person I believe in history to say you wish what was down there. You wish your pubic hair was on your head. I just want it to go both ways. If my hair on my head looked pubic,

I'd be like, well, at least it's consistent. Right. This is so shocking. First of all, laser hair removal on your pubic area? No. Some people do it. Asshole, maybe. Some people do it. The guys I've been hooking up with lately

don't seem to care at all about maintaining it down there. Right, it's wild and crazy. Or maybe they just think they don't care what I think. Yeah. I think it has been so wild and free as a flame. I think no matter your gender, it's like, there is not a great way to manage it, like, period.

Well, maybe it's also because I'm hooking up with men that are my age in their 30s and not like that. They've just given up. This isn't like when you're fresh in your 20s and everyone thinks like, oh, I should like manscape or whatever, or like really keep it clean down there. It's like, give it a rest, girl.

Like, we're all just trying to live life. No one cares that you're a hairy one. No one cares. But I bet your pubic hair is thrilling. It's freshly shorn. Oh. Why? You have plans later? No, I just... It was getting out of hand,

and I am in that liminal space now where I'm like, this sucks. Like, I just wish it were grown back. Are you itchy? No, I'm actually okay. I'm moisturizing. Cool. Down there? You just get a shower.

Oh, yeah, I guess so. I should try my purple shampoo for my blonde. Yeah. Get blonde pubes. Get blonde pubes. I don't wanna know. Okay, anyway. Oh god, I am nervous. Don't be.

I'm nervous, I'm nervous, okay. Don't be nervous. My heart just skipped a beat. No, you're gonna be absolutely slay. Just think of something you're like. I got it. You got it. Just speak the truth.

This is CharlieXDX, because I don't think so many of your time starts now. Okay, I don't think so honey. I'm actually coming for a group of people, these people who have this stuck up, eye-rolly attitude towards reality TV. Oh yeah. You know what I mean?

Taking it back to the beginning of our conversation, what is not to love? I feel like there is such a high, low, conundrum to reality TV that just makes me want to sink my teeth in, whether it be our favorite Housewives for Salt Lake City, Potomac also heard it's pretty good, Miami also heard it's pretty good. But also what about some other amazing shows? Below Deck, Below Deck Down Under, Below Deck Sailing Yacht, Below Deck Mediterranean, Love Island, Australia, British, heard the Amazing shows below deck below deck down under below deck sailing yacht below deck Mediterranean Love Island Australia British heard the US wasn't that good. But anyway, I just think that there is such a psychology such a

Wonderful amazing world to delve into and reality TV. It's like the factory. It's absolutely fabulous Just keep it coming and don't judge it Absolutely fabulous. Just keep it coming and don't judge it. And that's why I made it. And you were waiting for no reason. I don't think so honey, the world there. Reality TV is not trash. It's not trash.

It's not trash. It's art. It's art. You should watch. I sweat during that. Oh my God. I was like sweating. And look, but that's like a good sign.

Like we had- Promo for the tour. Promo for the tour. Promo for the tour. I was just like, oh my God. Way to Clear Void come in recently and when he sweats, he means it's the spirit moving I'm just like, oh my God, oh. We had a Claire Voight come in recently and when he sweats, it's the spirit moving. It's like energy's moving through him. That's what's happened.

Amazing. That's what happened. You should watch Couples Therapy. Oh, oh, oh. It's so good. With that. Ornithogoronic. Ornithogoronic.

Fabulous. Have you heard on? No. We should. She is the sexiest woman in life. She's so sexy. Don't you just wanna be her? What's happening here? I love sexy. And what's happening here?

I love her. And what just happened here? I love her. Just a tiny little. What? And what was that? I love her. She's like, talk about this.

She's amazing. I'm so glad you watched it. I love her. I think her fashion is incredible. It just seems she's chic. She is. I bet her apartment's really cool. Yeah.

Oh, have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet? Where they bring the cameras into her apartment because she's doing all of it through like telehealth. And so you see her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a very charming way. Yeah. She's got all her kids running around. How many kids does she have? Two?

I think she's so fat. What I love is when she speaks to her therapist. Yeah. Who's a real icon. Yeah. That woman is Virginia. She's very like Fran Cody That woman is- Virginia. Virginia. She's very like, Fran Koda. She is.

She's a real superstar. But you just finished it all the way through. There's like, I mean, whatever. We don't have to talk about it. There's an Israeli-Palestinian queer couple that's amazing. And then Orna's like, when she finds out that one of them is Palestinian,

she goes, you know I'm from Israel, right? And then like, Orna, like, blasts, like, is like on socials being like, this is crazy. Anyway, but you should watch it all the way through. You would fucking love it. I can't wait. Yeah. I can't wait.

She's a star. She's a star. But that's between like, that's not quite reality. It's not quite documentary, right? It's like they know they're being filmed, but they can't see the cameras. Yeah. I think they've done that show, by the way, I have no idea how long we have left,

but I'm like, wow, we could do a whole episode on this. I feel like they've shot that show in a really tasteful way. Yes. And I hope it never changes. You know what? You want to know what it is? It's like you can tell that well, obviously it's all here and that's like part of it, but it's still really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just what I love is that they seem to catch micro emotions like

it's really like intentionally edited yeah and I believe it's like really smartly done through her lens yeah because we're making a joke about like what was that yeah we saw it too yeah you know what I mean and also it has to be so crazy like to be in those sessions and then watch it after because it's also an edited version of that session. Totally. You think that would also maybe give you a little bit of a complex. Like, why am I being edited this way and not that way?

Like, I can't understand saying yes to that, but I'm so thrilled that people do. Me too. Do you have a favorite couple or a most fascinating couple? I really liked the young queer couple. Like, they were really young and they had been in a relationship for like three years sort of formatively. And one of them wanted to be in an open relationship and the other did not or was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what they had to really figure out and admit to each other was that they were not right for each other. And watching that play out was heartbreaking. And I just hope that they could still figure it out to be in each other's lives.

Because that's I think the hardest thing about when a relationship ends is it's like, I don't want to lose you as the person, you know? Like that, and I thought that was just like a beautiful illustration and like, yeah, you know, examination of that kind of thing. Like, I love you more than anything. This is not right. Yeah. Do you have a favorite?

Yeah, mine is not right. Yeah. Do you have a favorite? Yeah, mine is the, also season one, it was the kind of like very sort of set in his ways, quite sexy man. Oh, I know who you're talking about. Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the woman who was sort of willing to try anything for him. Right. And he was just, he would like get up during the session

and walk around. Yeah, can't stand it. And he was just like he would like get up during the session and walk around and he was just like being like very controlling. But his story is interesting. His story was wild. Like that woman like fucked him when he was like 14. And like tied him to a bed. And also the way it came out, again, could be the edit, we don't know.

It was just sort of like they'd done like four or five sessions. Nothing was really like going anywhere. And then one day he's just like, well, you know, there was that time where I got tied to a bed when I was 14. And like, Ono's like, what? Let's like really examine this for a sec.

Yeah, it's just like, he just like throws it in out of nowhere. That's real though. That's real therapy shit. There's no like easing into it. Sometimes it just kind of, you drop the bomb. Well, you get the sense that he either was just as stubborn and controlling with, like, releasing that information as he is in the immediate thing.

Or I think some guys that are like that just don't understand that it has affected them in that way. I mean, who knows? But I was under the impression that maybe he just like wasn't there yet. Yeah. But then the thing that was really interesting about them was then Orna would go and speak to her therapist about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him. And that was like this extra dynamic that was really interesting. And she was kind of talking about how she needed to make sure she was providing like fair and equal counsel,

but she was like so annoyed by him. And that is interesting. Because he's one of the, I think there's multiple like people like this. Like he's one of the people who says to her, I could do your job. Yeah. I couldn't believe that.

That was crazy. Can you imagine the Gaal, do you have a favorite couple? I like, there's a couple in season two that's really great. It's two men. One of them is a ballet dancer. One of them- Oh, they were great.

They were great. And then one of them had a really harrowing journey with sobriety. And then the pandemic happened. Then the pandemic happened. And then there's this one couple, there's a problem couple in season three, and she, Orna talks to Virginia,

and she talks to a peer group of other therapists. And all of them help her crack this one couple because she hits a wall, she's like, I don't know what to do. Because the guy was stonewalling everything. The guy was stonewalling and there's such a sensational clip of her, they play at the beginning of the season where she's just like, they're screaming and she goes, I'm gonna stop you guys right now,

I'm not the right therapist for you. And then you're like, oh! You're like, how does it get there? How does it get there? You watch it and this is the whole scene. They teed it up. There was also that great, there was a great couple that was,

she was a dancer in The Lion King. Yes! And she was like, she was always busy at night. And so she could never have dinner with the family and her kids. And like, it was like a thing. He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like, I'm in The Lion King.

And you knew this when you married me. Cause she had been in The Lion King for like 40 years. It's going on for years. It's never ending. She had been in The Lion King for as knew this when you married me. Cause she had been the Lion King for like 40 years. It's never ending. She had been the Lion King for as long as the earth has been spinning. Yeah. That's the best show. What a job, hey.

I know, but that's security. Are you a therapy icon? Am I who? Are you a therapy icon? Yeah. Yeah. I meant the Lion King being what a job. Also, that is both.

Both. Honestly, I can both. Both. Both. Honestly, I can't believe I was never not in it. There's still chance, there's still chance, babe. No, I can't believe I was ever not in it because I love it so much. In therapy. Oh, again. I think you made the show.

Lion King, I was like, Lion King. I don't think there's many roles for me in The Lion King on Broadway, but I would love to help out. I'll do ushering. Play giraffe. But no, therapy's great. Therapy's great. Speaking of great.

Speaking of great, the album is fucking sublime. Yeah, good for you. Rats and sevens. And I'm glad you responded, seemed like you responded positively when I made a comparison to XCX World. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Of course. No, you're right. And I think, yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it, yeah. It's so fucking good. We love you, right. And I think, yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it. Yeah. So fucking good. We love you, Charlie.

I love you both. Thank you for everything you've done. Thank you for having me. Of course. This was pretty fun. Let's end every episode with a song. I'm breaking every rule for you. Oh, I love it.

Wait, why do I love all your bells? You know what I love? Official. Official. It's a fan favorite Jared it's only first That he was my boyfriend now he's my best friend we figured it out in a way that I hope that couples therapy couple did Yeah, but official was like I was like, well like the little things are happening that make me feel like I can go the distance. That's so nice. Great writing. These are the things that can make us official. Bye.

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