Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Forever-Coded” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

The dolls are in back the room, and by dolls we mean pills, of course. Bowen runs into Matt’s loving embrace and the two marvel at the beautiful fan-bound Rules of Culture book. They r-e-m-i-n-i-s-c-e on all the culture of the last few weeks, starting with the single biggest monocultural release of the year (“Barbie”) and promptly discuss the meaning of the double strike era we are officially in. Opinions on the new RHONY women finally take shape which officially means this reboot is in full swing, and isn’t that a beautiful thing? Further discussion covers “And Just Like That” and the latest addition to Troye Sivan’s anal oeuvre before they boys launch into their IDTSHs, and that’s what we call a forever-coded friendship. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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With all my girls. Getting tactile. Getting tactile. We're doing things a little differently. We're going to try something new. You're back. I'm back. Thank you for holding it down.

Girl, I would always hold it down for my number one girl. My number one girl, you really got into it. There were a couple episodes there that I felt like my sister would be proud of down for my number one girl. My number one girl. You really got into it. There were a couple episodes there that I felt like my sister would be proud of. Oh my God. I just wanted to make you proud.

Oh, brimming with pride. Brimmer. I was listening to the Dave Mazzoni Marie Faustin episode the same time I learned what limerence was. What's limerence? It's like when you're obsessed with someone, basically. It's just like a fancier term for like when you're obsessed with someone. Well, that's good. Yeah.

And that's how you know that Bo and Yang is back now that there's a vocabulary word. Limerence. Can I give it a crack at spelling it? Yes, yes, go. I think you're gonna nail it. L-I-M-E-R-A-N-C-E. They never said I wasn't a good speller.

Girl, we've talked about spelling bees in the past, haven't we? Were you a spelling bee, Kay? I lost at the word satellite in the fourth grade and I was traumatized. You really did. Can you spell it? Well, first of all, can you spell it now? I lost at the word satellite in the fourth grade, and I was traumatized. You really did. Can you spell it? Well, first of all, can you spell it now? I don't know.

Try. I know how to spell it. S-A-T-E-L-L-I-T. You did it. I think I added an extra T in there. What? I think I did S-A-T-T-E. Oh, I remember it like it was yesterday.

It is a core motherfucking memory. When you lose the spelling bee and they say to you, I'm sorry. The word never leaves you. No. I'm sorry, that is incorrect. The use of the word incorrect as a weapon. And it usually is a weapon. I'm happy they could have seen me do that.

We're picking up on so much stuff. By the way, my Colorado king over there wearing a Colorado shirt. Where are you from? I love him. Okay, well, that's even better. So then you found Colorado and you liked it enough to buy a shirt. Absolutely.

Perfect. Really good. That's what I like to hear. I just spent time there and you were missed. I know. Okay, tell me. First of all, I want to say. Yeah, what do you want to say?

I just want to say thank you, everyone. I mean, there was really such a perfect level of understanding. Not that I expected anything less, but everyone got it, you know? And like, that's the kind of people that I think are like in this little world of ours. And that's,

I'm really, really grateful. So, well, I mean, all I ever want and all we ever want is for you to feel like you are having fun doing this because like this is just like this should be the cherry on top of life honey this is the cherry on top of the cake in the words of uba a new real housewives the cherry on top of

the cake these housewives don't know about what cherryries sort of like relation to desserts are. Because Lisa Barlow also was like, it's the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. These women don't know dessert culture or cherry culture. You know, they're not eating dessert. They're not eating dessert. I mean, they're not eating caviar either. Oh, they are eating caviar. Well, not really.

Not really. Okay. So without pivoting too hard from this topic at hand, we will get into, of course, Neuronia and all the culture because we can only describe this last weekend as cultural. Cultural. But what I want to know from you, and I think that everyone wants to know that listens,

is how are you feeling? I feel really good. I'm getting better. I think there are like specific things that I have to do that are happening this week. Good for you. So you're going to see

about a girl. I'm going to see about a girl. I'm going to maybe, I'm going to see about some dolls in the Valley of the Dolls sense, but not the bad dolls. Do you know what I mean? 100%.

It literally was Valley of the Dolls for a second where I was like on the wrong dolls. You were on the wrong dolls. So you feel that, and this is nothing against anyone who's loving this particular doll and this doll. Should I say the doll's name? So you were on Well wrong dolls. You were on the wrong doll. So you feel that, and this is nothing against anyone who's loving this particular doll

and this doll. Should I say the doll's name? So you were on Wellbutrin. I was on Wellbutrin and I got, and full transparency, I got a low dose of Adderall just to help with the travel,

just to help with adjusting to the hours. Just kind of really, like it's not working. And I was talking to some friends last night about how Wellbutrin really is not doing it for a lot of people. And if it's working for you, God bless. But Wellbutrin wasn't for me. I think that this is what I had heard about Wellbutrin when I was sort of stepping into my new era of not ignoring my mental health or being like, I have a big plate.

I can handle a lot. Like, this is just what feelings are. You know what I mean? And so I think that when I finally was ready to like actually engage and take accountability over my mental health, Wellbutrin was sort of like, I was warned against it

just because I identify as a pretty anxious person. And I've heard that like, when you're dealing with anxiety, that maybe isn't the girl. And so when you were saying you were struggling and I was like, well, maybe it's because the well butchering of it all is just like, I do think of you as a little anxious.

You know what I mean? A thousand percent I'm anxious. Right. I know certain people, and we won't name names, had like an issue with the word depersonalization. It is like the clinical term for like what I was,

what I am experiencing. And so if you don't know what it is you could always like fucking look it up or you know be less obtuse and this is a self-knowledge

journey that we're on for me at least and we'll just leave it at that because otherwise it gets too it gets a little cloying which it shouldn't be what do you mean

by that like if I start talking a little too much about how like oh I am completely disconnected from like, these like really important elements of like who I am. Right. Then people start to sort of check out,

which of course, like they don't know what I'm talking about because it's hard for me to even drill down too specifically into that. Right. I understand. And I think that like what I'm so happy about, I know everyone will be so happy to hear is that you are taking accountability of it, taking initiative. And I think because once that happened, I can only speak for myself. I was genuinely a million

times happier. And I will also say I went up on my dose just to be totally transparent and this has been you know it's been an incredibly difficult three weeks for me as well like that's totally separate outside of like anything that you were going through like I had a very close friend we have a very close friend who suffered a huge loss a huge personal loss and it it has been very difficult and so i've sort of been grieving that in my own way as well also i've been really like under the gun with a project that i'm doing and like especially as the strikes happen which we'll talk about because it also like sort of dictates how we can discuss things on this podcast and how we might be doing things going forward it has has been a really stressful fucking

time. And I will say just having this little bit of help. And it's funny, the last time we were in this room with the cameras rolling, we talked about this with Kelly. This is a medication room. This is the red room. This room is for crazy people. This room is for the pills.

This room is for the pills. Yes, the pills. Not the red pills. Not the red pills. Not the red pills. Not the red pills. The blue pills. We're going to talk about red pilling because I think Ken

in the Barbie movie gets red pilled. Yes. But anyway, yeah, like I've just been so grateful for it. Yeah. And I think

it's one of those things where it's like I kind of want to go back in time a few things. Like you were always on me about therapy and that was major. And then this,

for however long I need the Lexapro, it's been really great. I'm excited for you to see about the girl. Me too. And it took a lot of clarity from you. Well, to me, like,

I think you were very clear with me about how I should manage this. Because I care about you so much. It's that thing of like, it's, I think a journey that we've been on about like codependency, right? Because you are genuinely my best friend. Like we genuinely do this together, but also outside of this, there's like an entire relationship and like there's history and there's like a lot of care that goes into that. And I think sometimes it's

like, how do you care for someone in a real way? Do you tell them like, do you use words like worried, concerned? Like, do you ring alarm bells or do you say I'm here, but you're also in a place of inaction because you want to like, make sure you're taking care of the person. For me, it's just like, when you had said, you expressed to me that you wanted to take a break. Like for me, that's just like, this is great, but this is not everything. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, I also know that you're involved with other things where it's not as easy to be like, hey, I'm taking a break. I mean, that is the cruelest irony is that like out of all the things that I'm doing, and it's not that it's too many things, but it was just a lot of demanding things. And out of all those things, it was like the thing that could be taken off the plate

for a little bit was this, which is so terrible because it's the thing that I enjoy the most. And that is sort of the unfair, ironic thing about it all. But what were you saying? Well, it was only three weeks.

It was only three weeks. And girl, you, you have something. Do you think I have something? I think you have something. What is it? That je ne sais coup.

Anyways. I love your ass. I love your ass. It's forever coded. My love for you is forever coded. My love for you is forever coded. And that's rule of culture number four. Four? Rule of culture number four. My love for you is forever coded. Speaking of the rules. Will you get into it? Come on. Joko

Studio made this for us. At Joco. At Joco.io. J-O-C-O.io. I mean, a bound book. So, I just forgot that podcasts are not a visual medium. All of a sudden, we have these cameras, and we showed the book to the cameras, and you listening in your car don't know what the hell we're doing.

So, someone sent in, they made Bound and Everything, a Rules of Culture. First edition. First edition book for Bowen and I. And this is, I mean, you flip through it and it's got pictures. It's got all the rules. This is exhaustive work.

And this is how you know the readers are the best in the biz. And then you open up the rule book and some things really jump out, such as Rule of Culture number six. Super Bass is our national anthem. I mean, I'm sorry, but we were so right on all of these. Rule number 12, if Bo and Yang got it wrong,

other people are going to get it wrong. Such as spelling the word satellite. Such as spelling the word satellite. Here we go. I have something. Go. Rule of culture number 29. It all comes back to Hilary Duff.

Let's go back Back to the beginning Good And I bet If you went back in time And when we did that rule I bet we sang Those very words Cause people change

But they don't But they don't It's rule of culture number 8 People change But they don't And we just really wanna say Um Ew

Not number 35 Unfortunately Zuckerberg Has a fat ass. I don't think we said that. We didn't say that. I think we codified it into the rules, but we could not have originated. I think this was after the surfboard picture. Because he does sort of have a donk on the board.

Well, he pokes out the tailbone on the board. You think he knew there were paps around and he said, let me show off my fat ass? Yeah. Zuck. Oh, every pap is hired these days. Even back then, even for Zuck. I just want to quickly read.

This book is dedicated to the readers, the publicists, the finalists, and most importantly, the Katie's. Wow. Okay, so this book

is Katie coded. May you forever be informed on the pulse and finding things that make you say, quote, culture is for me. This is amazing.

So nice. And I do just want to, I think we both want to say that if there ever is a piece of merchandise that we come out with that maybe even has this title, it's been an idea for a long time

and we did not steal it from atjoko.io. We did not steal it from atjoko.io. You have to know. It won't be in this exact format either. Oh, we're saying too much. Rule of culture number 19, Blackpink, those girls, they really do have choreo down.

It's true. That is 100% true. That's 100% true. So I read that super bass thing. Yes, yes. That goes to Barb's, which goes to Barbie. Should we talk about Barbie? I mean, it is the culture.

And can we just say... I think that's what the girls want to hear. That's what the girls want to hear. And off the bat, it is pretty remarkable. And I think what should inform this whole discussion is we have monoculture for once. Wow. Do we?

Do we? Do we? I mean, we were talking out there, me and the girls that are behind the cameras, we were all excitedly talking. Yes. About Barbenheimer. Yes. So full disclosure,

we are going tonight to see Oppenheimer. So we haven't seen it. But Barbie we saw. And I think that my initial reaction to it, because everyone saw it, it was one of those things where it's like, people are dressed, people are going. I was so excited. My excitement was at a 10. And then I walked out saw it. It was one of those things where it's like people are dressed, people are going. I was so excited.

My excitement was out of 10. And then I walked out of it and I was just like, my reaction and even me, who's like a maximalist and loves this shit. My reaction was that was a lot. And I didn't really know how I felt. I knew I had laughed and sort of enjoyed every minute. But as a movie, I didn't know how I felt. A few days have gone by.

I think it's one of my favorite movies. I love that. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Okay. So what's like conge felt. A few days have gone by. I think it's one of my favorite movies. I love that. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Okay. So what's like congealed in those few days? You know who I have to give credit to?

Joel Kim. Yeah. Because I went to a party with a bunch of queers with differing opinions. Yeah, sort of. Because it's really like, the fever pitch feels very positive, but people do have opinions about this movie.

And isn't that beautiful? It's beauty. It's beauty. But I was sort of like erring on the side of like, I don't know. I don't know if it worked. And then Joel Kim was like, it's play logic.

It's not about world building necessarily because there is no world building when a kid picks up a Barbie. Yeah. Yes. And you would express that to me and that clicked for me as well. Yes.

I agree with that. And I celebrate that. And I am of the mind that it's genius to prioritize well. Yes. I agree with that and I celebrate that. And I am of the mind that it's genius to prioritize that. Yeah. And sort of like forsake like

traditional film logic. Or at least like, you know, like world building logic like that. But then I do kind of come away from that movie

thinking, I really enjoyed that. It did feel like a bag of loose unspooled thread. Should we just say, I do think we should spoil the movie, so if you haven't watched it, fast forward maybe

10-15 minutes. It's the Wednesday after monoculture. It's the Wednesday after monoculture. We'll just say that. By the end of the movie, I go, wait, why did she become, did she want to become human? See, that's my thing. Yeah.

Is that was just like, there were so many ideas. Yes. There were so many things happening to the point where I was just like, at the end, it's weirdly like a thinker. You know what I mean? Totally. It's like a surrealist fantasy comedy, which of course, but it's not just this thing where you sit back and like you could just really like sit there and watch it without thinking no you like by the end i was like wow this was like existentialist and you know really deep surprisingly deep especially

for something that like is also at the same time so sort of gloriously dumb yes and which is something i loved about it but what i think was it was like very clearly two extremely smart and funny people sitting down and having the time of their lives and just throwing all the ideas out there in a way a kid might yes give me a million of these before you give me one more of literally insert anything here. Right. Did we talk about this the other day where I would have loved some Barbie looking person in the real world to go up to her and be like, oh my God. Yes. Like you're my, like you're my hero.

You are my icon. Like that complicates it even more. I think there's even a nice little thing there that like compliments the teens being like, you're a fascist. You suck. Like you're the reason why like femininity is like crazy or whatever. I would have loved for like on the other side of that coin for somebody to

be like, ah, you made me who I am. And then, and then like Barbie sees her be like a terrible person. Yeah. Like an absolute like privileged. Yes. Yes. Yes. There sees her be a terrible person, maybe? Yeah, like an absolute privileged bitch. Yes, yes, yes.

There was this weird thing that happened where it's like, they show the Barbie world and it actually is very diverse and inclusive and it's a party and it's a matriarchy and you know what I mean? And then when Barbie goes to the real world, they're like, fuck you, fuck off. And there is this thing that Barbie goes through

where she's just like, it almost is like a reckoning with privilege right there. She's like, what do you mean? I'm well-intentioned. I come from this. And then she's confronted in the real world. And it's like, no, what you represent is this. And actually it's this label, this, this, this.

And so you actually see the Barbie character go through something in a really short period of time in a funny way, which I think a lot of white women go through which is just like or white people go through which is just like you have to understand like in an atmosphere and in like a culture where we're constantly branded and sold and everything and it's catered to a certain person like just watching her deal with all of that despite what she is stands for actually in reality i thought that was an interesting way to go about the barbie thing yes because it's like there have been i guess quote-unquote diverse barbies and dolls for quite a while but i still think you

think barbie and one of the top items of discussion is for example Sudi like she was not allowed to have that or engage with that at all as a child because her mother was like this is fascism literally I mean and like so it's a really interesting I think way to personalize that for the character for her to be personally attacked for what she represents and called a fascist yeah but the intent of her and the brand in general especially because this is produced by Mattel is sort of like no no no that's not what we meant but yet they are responsible for it right totally

and then I think Greta had Margot producer had the impossible task of like making it not a commercial not like a geography not like Matt hagiography not like Mattel we love ya

and like I can't believe they got the Ruth Handler jokes in about how like I got dinged for tax evasion stuff but that's a different movie I'm like oh

the Handler estate is gonna let that slide great they went for it yeah yeah yeah and you have to imagine this like cause I feel like

Greta and Noah probably got a lot of leeway because they are so acclaimed and because they are so successful. And there is like a trust level in them. But you have to imagine this movie was fucking noted. Oh, of course.

Within an inch. And like, so the fact that we arrived where we arrived and that it did as well as it did and that it gets an A cinema score and a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes. This is like. It's a huge deal. You know, not to make an obvious joke, but it is like a pink unicorn in that like, of course, it's one of the world's

most famous toys, but it's not a sequel or a franchise or et cetera. Oh, it is a franchise, but you know. The IP is something that they, they did the right thing

by like completely starting from scratch in a way. Because they could have, they could have been like, oh, it's not Barbie, it's Skipper, it's Midge, it's Christy. It's like all the girls are there, but they're not all named Barbie. Right. And all the men are not named Ken.

They could have done that and it really would have been a different movie. Yeah. They get away with all of these gender assessments based on the joke that you just sub in male female for Ken Barbie. Right, exactly. And I think it was really fun. I think you know what's so funny is that all of the higher ups at Mattel

are men. Is that really true? And I think they even say that in the movie. It's like, no, this is it. And they slipped that in. And I think the people at Mattel are like, yeah, sure. And then then it makes you go is it a good thing or a bad thing that like other companies that end up making movies will like allow themselves to be like lightly roasted in this way well i mean i guess then it comes down to like cool yeah take the light roasting

look cool because you allowed yourself to be roasted but also like are you gonna do anything about it like i guess that would be the thing to check in on in six months where it's just like yeah cool you allowed yourself to be the butt of this joke your own joke yes but also like did it remain the same yeah and there's like it's really funny because like i think people that don't even understand that they're doing this there is a lot of sexism even in the conversation about the movie in terms of through a critical lens like something i've seen more than once and this is just it really makes me laugh is the boiling down of a few of these reviews about margo and ryan's performances are margo really

proves she has what it takes to be a movie star and i'm like and they're like and ryan should be nominated for an oscar and he did it again and he's one of the most underutilized clowns in the business it's like this man has been doing this for a while like and also like to shift all the focus to him and say margot robbie finally has proven what it takes to be a movie star i'm like she's been a movie star now for over 10 years her first film was at least in terms of like what everyone saw was opposite leonardo dicaprio in a performance that made her a movie star immediately and it's just like you see her being praised sure but not a lot of conversation about her being as involved as she was for as long. Producer. Not enough conversation, I think, about just how difficult it is

to just hold the center of this movie. Like, it is crazy. And, like, carry this entire press tour that has no TV options. Right. And, like, be the mediator between Mattel and Greta, because that is her job as producer on this. Yeah.

And literally, like literally look at people's schedules and be like, can we make it work with this person? No. Literally it comes down to that. Yeah, and I mean this is the nuts and the bolts. And I'm thinking she's way way way smarter and more important than people are

actually realizing. I think in terms of why this movie is so big and why it's so successful, it's like she's a top three reason. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And I always say,

I know that there's like, well, some of the craziest people in America are online saying that America Ferrera deserves an Oscar nomination for her performance. I'm like, America was great, but guys, I don't know.

She was great. She was great. But it's like Oscar nomination. And that's why when people just throw that out there, I'm like, you guys are so nuts, I don't know. She was great. She was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like Oscar nomination. And that's why when people just throw that out there, I'm like, you guys are so nuts. They don't know. They don't know. Because she has that one monologue,

which by the way, she delivers. She killed it. She kills. She landed the plane. Yes. I think for people that have been having this conversation for a long time, that monologue is going to feel very 2018.

And I'm talking about her monologue where she talks about how difficult it is to be a woman. And what I think we have to remember is it sort of is when you're dealing with monoculture like this, it's like that James Cameron thing, right? When we were talking about how it's like- With Kiki.

Yes. Yeah. It has to be for everyone. And maybe not everyone has had this conversation. And so when you're putting out a movie that's as big and important and potentially influential as the Barbie movie, as we've proven to see just how huge it is, like it's okay for that monologue to feel like something you've heard before. And performed really well. Is it Oscar worthy?

I don't know. The reason I got there, though, was because, as you know, my rubric of the Oscars is could anyone else have done it? Could anyone else have done Barbie like that? And shepherded that to the huge amount of success and trusted with the director and had such a singular entwined vision like they did? I don't know.

I guess what I'm saying is Margot Robbie, FYC. FYC. This just makes me excited for, I pitched you a movie for when we're like in our 40s and 50s for some huge... When they're finally ready for us. When they're ready for us.

I shared it with some people last night and they were like, that's really good. I mean, it is good. I was like, that's me. I'm like, man, I'm gonna do that. One thing about us, we have big plans.

I will say, I'm inspired by the color in this room. It's red. It's for Coca-Cola We have an idea We have an idea for a Coca-Cola movie What is bigger than Barbie? Coke

Literally Literally Everyone loves it Everyone loves it Everyone knows it It's worldwide Like Candy Burris Like Candy Burris

And it's to two worldwide things Candy Burris and Coke That's for local culture number six It's to two worldwide things Candy Burris. Like Candy Burris. And it's to two worldwide things, Candy Burris and Coke. That's real culture number six. It's to two worldwide things, Candy Burris and Coke. Coca-Cola, not the other one. Listen. Listen. Cocaine is pretty international too.

That's true. That's true. But I think it's just specific little routes. We've sworn off the stuff. We've sworn off the stuff. We've sworn off the stuff. New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City.

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to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part, that made a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.

Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.

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Always. Unless it's like a little bit of mushrooms at Taylor Swift eras. Denver? Was that Denver? It was both. Oh, great.

You know what I mean? Just a little nibble. I had just, we had a little nibble in Jersey and it was perfect. We were in the perfect vibe for Jersey. I would say in Denver,

I was a little bit more fucked up. Yeah. I saw the video. You were having say in Denver, I was a little bit more fucked up. Yeah. I saw the video. You were having fun. Girl, I was having a time. By the way, the show was fucking great. Of course. And also everyone in Denver, I see how nice you are.

Denver's a town of sweeties. You have to know. A few people came up and said hello. Yeah. One Katie, one Catherine. Wow. Amazing. And Catherine said, almost Katie. Almost. came up and said hello yeah one katie one catherine wow amazing and the catherine said almost katie almost and then i was like katie yeah she goes yeah but that was lovely but yet no just drugs in general maybe we're just getting old yeah and that's okay that's okay that's okay

different kinds of drugs now medicinal medicinalinal. Medicinal. Dolls. Okay, speaking of the dolls. There are new dolls. There are new dolls. There are new dolls to sort of play with. The new dolls of The Real Housewives of New York. Again, we're seeing Oppenheimer tonight. Yeah, we'll talk about Oppenheimer.

Maybe we'll talk about it next week. But this is so interesting. Like, the strike of it all. Like, I remember I posted a picture of me in the Barbie box. And I was like, can I post this? Is that allowed? You're going to the movies for a movie that was made pre-strike that's already been promoted, that's already released. Like it's fine.

There's a degree of anxiety though in what I'm calling Fran's queen era. Yes. Yes, we're on strike, but really this is Fran. This is Fran's queen era. So she's come out and said, no one from SAG can promote any of their projects. You can't promote anything.

And then actually my agent called, which was when I knew it was serious. And she was like, you can't even be like, congrats to my friend on doing this. So for example, we were going to have a couple people on the podcast to promote certain things. And now I think we have to either hold on that

or just change the way we talk about it for now because those are the new rules. I think we can to either hold on that or just like change the way we talk about it for now because those are the new rules I think we can have people on and just be like let's just hang yeah I mean that's it

ultimately it's kind of freeing it is kind of freeing but you do kind of want to ask like what was it like on the set of Theater Camp you know what though you know what though

and we have to bleep that out we do? we have to bleep that out like it's catch wait a minute like it's catch we can not talk what you did without the blurb without the bleep that out we do bleep that out like it's catch wait a minute like it's we can not talk what you did without the blurb without the bleep it is scathing i don't know about that we're not

i'm not promoting people go see this movie here's what i here's what we can say i saw theater camp this weekend and i loved it that's what we can say like we just did with Barbie. That's not a promotion. That is a review. A review. Is it a review? Promotional? Whatever. It's confusing. It's very confusing. I saw you in the comments on the Variety Reel

about like what actors, what people answer. Because it is... Well, the trades are trying to confuse people. The trades are trying to confuse people. And I thought you were of the mind that like, let's be very specific about what we can and cannot do I thought we could

on our podcast let's say be like we were going to have this person and this person from this movie and just leave it at that well what I said with the Zayn episode last week because we talked for a half an hour about projects that we've done together and that he's in yes and I cut it out because I was told expressly you

can't do that see and everyone if you're listening to this right now and you're like huh that's how fucked up the studios are okay it has to be this yeah in order for it to change because it's a labor issue because of them and understand like i totally get being like confused by all this or like huh like oh actors and writers are striking like it is a serious thing and it's also bigger yes than this i mean if you really look at it like these studio people they make so much fucking money and it's so insulting when you consider what these guilds what these unions are asking for that like you know it's it's hard for me to be like you know

tell anyone what to do but like stand with these with these guilds, stand with our unions, because we really are like, there's a lot of misinformation out there. And that's what pissed me off about that variety thing. Yes, yes. Because it was some girl from variety. Right. And the trades are in with the studios. Yes, they are. And so she was being like, here's a list of things actors cannot do while the strike is happening.

Singing, podcasting, like down the line. I know, breathing. was being like here's a list of things actors cannot do while the strike is happening singing podcasting like down the line like breathing basically saying like because they're on strike they are not participating in any element of the industry which is not true yeah we are not participating anything promotionally as they relate to struck companies but we are allowed to still do our podcast singers are allowed to still do our podcast. Singers are allowed to sing if they're in SAG. Like, it's just ridiculous. And they're trying to make it,

they're trying to make us look like crazy and unreasonable. Right. And there are a lot of nuanced things about this that even we don't quite understand. Right. Such as, and I think this is gonna like play out in the next couple weeks as we get closer to some festivals but like there are indie studios like 824 that are figuring out ways to waive promotional and they've already done that with shoots but they're trying to figure out a way to like allow certain projects to be promoted right in a way that complies with sag

strike rules and guidelines and that is a good thing because it does show people and especially people within the unions that like let's like promote how like the indie arm of this industry can thrive and flourish and be healthy right and it's not like a full austerity thing of like nothing can stay, nothing can work. Yeah, and also it shows that there are people out there with the money who make these calls like that that are willing to collaborate and they are willing to bend

and they are willing to be fair. But unfortunately, that isn't anyone in our sort of new culture where it feels like five people run the industry, which has been a problem and continues to be a problem. Unfortunately, you'd be shocked to hear those are the people that are being very rigid. And people keep asking like,

how long do you think the strike is going to go? How long do you think the strike is going to go? And I've just started being like, I don't fucking know, January? It's giving lockdown. It's giving early COVID. Like we literally don't know. Yeah. The thing about January though is, It's giving lockdown. It's giving early COVID. We literally don't know.

Yeah. The thing about January, though, is the thing that all the studios do have in common is that I think they do care about awards. And if the strike goes into the period where they release all their awards contenders, that kind of fucks up the schedule there for them and then they kind of lose out on like a year of prestige yeah i mean look i'd heard like i heard through the grapevine that the studios had crunched the numbers and decided there was like a date in august that they could go without all this but now the more you hear about

like just how far apart everything is it's scary yeah i had heard november and then i was thinking like but if it's gonna go till november and the industry sort of shuts down in december because of the holidays why wouldn't you just go extend it you know what i'm saying it's just like it just feels like i don't even know what to say about it but what i do know is when i see something that's just incorrect which is like this insane insinuation that like because the actors are on strike they're completely stopping any avenue of livelihood like that is not true like podcasting will continue touring will continue music will continue and if this is causing anyone like discomfort it's because we're at a place where like

just wealth inequality yeah it's wrong and someone someone has to take a stand for it. But that's that. But that's that. Anyway. To get there from Roni, that says it all. Let's go back to Roni, shall we? Thoughts? Well, I still need more time because you know what?

It was first episode, which that episode in particular has the impossible task of like, getting everybody on board with these people when we have all these attachments with the previous group. And then the second episode, I love that we're already doing a trip. I was very, and this is having me change my mind about Brynn.

I was missing Brynn and I go, then she's a very important part of this ensemble. And so I was like, I need more time. I need Brynn to go there and teach these girls yoga. Yes. She'll be there. She'll be there. Yes. I saw in the next episode preview, I need more time. I need Brynn to go there and teach these girls yoga. Yes, she'll be there. She'll be there. Yes, I saw in the next episode preview.

I need her to go there, really kind of jolt this. So far, I'm intrigued. I'm obsessed. Okay, talk about this. First of all, what I love is that they're sharing, they're passing the ball. You think? Yes, I really do.

Here's how I would boil it down. Jenna Lyons, like she's so fascinating and there's never been a housewife like her. I do think she thinks she's a little better than the show. I'm curious about her motives to be on the show.

I think she very much wants to be on reality television. She had her show on HBO Max when it was HBO Max called Stylish with Jenna Lyons. I watched that. And then she comes to Housewives and she's like, I'm uncomfortable in group settings. I'm reserved and shy. I'm not going to tell you about my significant other.

I will not tell you about my relationship. And I'm just like, what exactly was the motive to get on this show? And I'm seeing like, what exactly was the motive to get on this show? And I'm seeing maybe Jenna Lyons, like, and this is I think what's fascinating about her, is I think she's going to peel layers off of herself because she's going to be forced to because these women are not going to allow her to be the one that gets away with things. If they're all exposing themselves.

Exactly. And you can even tell in the second episode. Psy. Yes, Psy being like, she knows my husband. Why can't we know her girlfriend? Aren't we friends? But at that point,

I'm going to be like, well, a spouse is different than a girlfriend. But that's... I don't know. If you're a housewife, yes, we as an audience and they as friends

have a right to know who the spouse is. If you're dating someone, like if you're dating someone, if my girl is dating someone new, I don't have to know everything the spouse is. If you're dating someone, like if you're dating someone, if my girl is dating someone new, I don't have to know everything about the person. Not everything about the person, but I think when you go on reality television,

and you're saying like the idea here and what's compelling is I'm going to open you up to my life, you'd think you'd open up your life. And I think it's interesting because you do see her in confessionals. About the mom. Yeah, and she's willing to open up. I think she's interesting because you do see her in confessionals. About the mom. Yeah. And she's willing to open up. I think she wants to go there.

And I think she was saying in so many words, like, my girlfriend doesn't want to be a part of this. And I have to respect that. And I have to respect that. And this is a decision I've made for myself. I didn't make it for her. Which is, you know, there is this interesting thing. And I've dealt with it. Like, I'm sure that like people have dealt with it

to a certain extent, but it's like when you like someone and you want them to be in your life, but they're uncomfortable with that part of it. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Totally. And so then what do you do if you're Jenna Lyons? What do you do?

If Matt Rogers is Jenna Lyons. If I'm Jenna Lyons. If you're at the Topping Rose in the Hamptons and they're asking you. You know what? I guess I do exactly what she's doing but you open up in other areas i open up in other areas and also i i think because obviously she wants to put her relationship first it's meaningful to her but she can't be surprised when these women who don't have those boundaries are gonna come for her in that way. Because that's another decision that you make. When you say, this area

of my life is off limits and that sentence becomes a storyline, then it's a storyline. Then it's a storyline. And then people want to uncover that. Exactly. The vultures come out to hunt. The vultures will pick your bones.

In the words of Oprah, pick your bones. The vultures will pick your bones. In the words of Oprah, pick your bones. The vultures are waiting to pick your bones. Was that to Meghan Markle? It was to someone. It was maybe to Meghan Markle. Waiting to pick your bones. Wow. If that wasn't that interview,

then that quote gets lost because of course it was not in that interview. It was not in that interview, but ClickHole did do like a super cut of all the times oprah has said the vultures are waiting to pick your bones and they just superimpose that audio the vultures in this case being the other girls the other girls and the new york post the new york post what are your feelings about the other women i love how mean jessel is to her husband. Now we find out they don't fuck. I actually don't love Jessel. You don't. Do you know what I mean?

I'm into Jessel. She's a fashion girl, but she's still wearing Alexander Wang in the year 2022 as when they shot that. I'm like, you know,

don't you know this? Aren't you a PR girl? Oh, wow. To be in PR. In fashion PR and not know that like kind of persona non grata. You know what though?

This is what I'll say without saying too much. Fashion people are very sensitive and they're very like defensive about the cancel culture.

Of course, of course. Like I've talked to a few people because there's like, you know, I'll just say Dolce & Gabbana. Dolce & Gabbana,

the Dolce & Gabbana of it all. Like, they have a very racist, problematic history, a recent history even. That they never really addressed. But a lot of people make an issue with it. But you still see it being worn a lot. And so in my conversations with people that

are in fashion, I do get the sense that people are very defensive about it. And like, well, you can't do that. Like, cancel culture is wrong. Right, right, right. And it's like, okay, but- You're being a little bit more impassioned than anyone else was about the original problem, which is their fault.

Anyway. Especially her being like an Indian woman. And literally, I was obsessed with Jenna Lyons being like, you can't have the word mark of Balenciaga. Come on. What are you, literally, what are you doing? Literally, what are you doing? Literally, what are you doing? What are you doing?

And that's what I love. Because one thing Jenna Lyons is achieving is she does seem like the chicest person in New York. That vintage Mercedes took my breath away. Forget it.

I had to rewind. I was like, does she just drive up in a light blue vintage Mercedes to the Hamptons? I was like, well, this is... I'm obsessed with the pearls

and the necktie and the confessionals. I'm like, fuck is I'm obsessed with the pearls and the necktie and the confessionals I'm like fuck everything is exactly right when she called her dick a lataja landing strip she's lowkey a hoe she's talking about fucking she's talking about fucking

and I'll be honest I felt a little horned up when she said when it's two women both people get taken care of oh my god wait do I have a Jenna horned up when she said, when it's two women, both people get taken care of. Oh my God. Wait, do I have a Jenna Lyons? Lauren. Lauren.

Matt's got a Jenna. Matt's got a Jenna Lyons. Big culture. Big New York culture. I'm not putting Jenna Lyons out there on her own for cold open. Matt is putting on the glasses. He's going to go out there with her as a second Jenna. Jenna's going to sneak up on him.

Jenna's going to sneak up on him. And he's going to be, of course, aloof because she's aloof. Because she's aloof because she's aloof I told him react as Jenna I don't know that this is what he says I don't work for him or with him

am I in the ballpark yes absolutely you're in you're in the diamond I'm in the I like so I like Jenna a lot I like Jenna

oh yes Uba has won me over Uba has won me over within an episode I was like at first I was like I don't know about this but now I'm like love it I'm into Uba love how far away Uba has won me over within an episode I was like I don't know about this but now I'm like

love it I'm into Uba love how far away is your house from provisions so funny I didn't expect to turn on her

right this quickly I kind of don't care for Psy I like Psy everything that comes out of her mouth is well I'm a content creator I'm a digital influencer

I grew up poor and so I bring five ply toilet paper to someone else's house and so I bring five-ply toilet paper to someone else's house. Okay, wait. Can we talk about this toilet paper thing? Yeah.

Okay. I don't think I had ever thought about this but I think I do judge when I go to someone's house and their toilet paper is like butthole problematic.

Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Is single-ply like when you rub it on your hole and it feels like a little bit like sandpaper? Yeah.

It's like- That's unacceptable to me. It's like what they would have on an airplane. Right. That's unacceptable to me. Or like in a public restroom. For me, it's just like, yeah, I think that it's something

I had not thought about until this episode. But if your toilet paper is really bad, that to me is just like physically inconsiderate of your guest buttholes i don't know would you find it rude if someone brought their own toilet paper to like your vacation house what that says to me because by the way readers this is what happened so sai on the real house of new york was concerned that erin on the real house of new york would not have acceptable toilet paper at her Hamptons home,

which I'm sure she's got top of the line stuff. But Psy brings the toilet paper into the house because she needs her specific toilet paper. For me, this is a grade A housewives move. I love it. I love it. It's a classic housewives move. What I think it was rude,

the insinuation is that you're cheap. Yeah. The host. The insinuation is that you're cheap. Yeah. The host. The host. I just, what really got under my skin right at the top of episode two was her packing nine suitcases for a three-day trip. I was like, I really dislike this

kind of person. It was garment bags, though. It was not. It was full fucking... A lot. It was not Garmin. It was full fucking... A lot of the bags were Garmin bags. Okay. It was too much packing. It was too much packing. But she...

Okay, so here's the thing. So now, as someone who's been doing a good amount of branded, when you're doing it, you know it's cringe. But also, the money's real. Yes. I don't begrudge her of doing it.

She's getting her content. I think all she talks about is her content and that's where I'm like there's gotta be something else like what do you like to do do you think it's overcorrecting I think it's

definitely compensatory ooh yeah I wanna know what the husband did oh cause he's retired

you think there's a Jen Chosh situation no I don't think that at all I just wanna know because they live in the most gorgeous brownstone. They do live in a gorgeous area. All these women have amazing homes.

We haven't seen Brynn's house though. We have not seen Brynn's house. You're right. I get the feeling she's the most modest. Down home. I will say her tagline has really grown on me. I'll date your dad. I love to laugh. But if you again? Oh, I'll date your dad? I love to laugh. But if you make me mad, I'll date your dad.

I love the fact that I love to laugh, but make me mad now that your dad don't connect. I live in the same sentence somehow. And that to me makes it perfect. And the way she bites her lip when they edited it into the thing, it made me really... Yeah, it's good. Gravitate to her.

Gravitate to her, of course. I do think that Jessel has a tagline that's a little tooitate to her. Of course, I do think that Jessel has a tagline that's a little too good for her. Which is, I always bring the flavor. It's not my fault you don't have any taste. Her lingerie that she got from Jemma, that was disgusting.

It was bad lingerie, but if I didn't bring lingerie to a lingerie-themed thing, it's not a beggar's can't-be-chooses. It's like, well, I'm not not gonna if you gave me shitty lingerie i'm not gonna be like matt this looks stupid i would say this after a whole day of converse so basically they have this whole day of conversation about how she's like self-conscious about her body because of her c-section scar she's not fucking her husband it's been a topic it's a topic it's a nerve yeah and then you get a piece of lingerie when all these women,

some of whom are literally models. Yeah. You're someone who's obviously very image conscious because you're in fashion. You're also on the Real High Stars of New York on the second episode. You get lingerie given to you by Jenna Lyons that's a size or two too big.

I mean, Jenna knows that's not cute. Sure. For me, it was, this is maybe a controversial opinion. It was within bounds of her to complain. Maybe not to the extent that she was.

I'd be like, this is fucking disgusting. It's terrible. I hate it. This is hideous. That's what I'm saying is the extent of the complaining

was what kind of graded on me. And that I get. The more that we're talking about it, the more I'm like, okay, this is good. Like if I said to all of our friends, if it was all of us, like if we all went to Fire

Island, which was like our Hamptons culture. And I said, you guys, I got us all garments. Yeah. And I gave you a garment that was like a tent and ugly. But if everyone else brought a garment and I did not bring a garment and you get. But I don't think they brought the garments. I think the garments were all gifts. From Jenna?

Yes. Oh, okay. I missed that part. That to me was what was kind of shitty about garments. I think the garments were all gifts. From Jenna? Yes. Oh, okay. I missed that part. That to me was what was kind of shitty about it. I was like. Then yeah, then we're team Jessel. I understand her reaction. Yes.

Yes. I get it. Totally. One thousand percent. Because it's like, girl, it's too big. You know what I mean? Like. Right.

And then you're going to force me to come down in it. Right. And with the context of. Yeah. what we talked about with her husband, what they all talked about as a group about the husband. Yeah, okay. That's tough. That's tough. Now we're getting into Housewives.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I just did reminisce. Even today before I... I love that word. I love that word. I love that word. Reminisce.

Reminisce. Isn't that a gorgeous word? Yeah. I'm like literally basking in it right now. R-E-M-I-N-I-S-C. I don't think that's right. Oh. Reminisce.

R-E-M-I-N-I-S-C-E. That's what you said. Reminisce. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to. No, because I think that it still could be wrong. Reminisce. No, it's reminisce.

That was good? Yeah. Thank you, Becca. Producer Becca, who, by the way, is in the merch. Can you just get... Can we just make sure that... Did you float? Okay, good.

So she's in the merch, which I think looks way cuter on a human being in person than it does on the website. This is what the girls are doing is the merch drops are accompanied by a little cute photo shoot in a park. We should have been on that.

It's okay. That's for next time. We know. For next time we know. For next time we know. But the merch is really cute. The merch is really cute. Okay.

Yeah, it's really good. Can we talk quickly about, I was reminiscing about, I was literally going, gosh, we had a Radzwill on this show. We really did. Once. And Carol is,

although I didn't realize that she was photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell at one point. I didn't know that. Photographed with Ghislaine. at one point. I didn't know that. Photographed with Ghislaine. And she like had to beat off allegations that like she was an Epstein contact. No.

Did she really? Like her name was in some book and she had to be like, I've never met him. You do not want your name in an Epstein book. You really don't. It's rule of culture number nine. You do not want your name in an Epstein book.

That is a recipe for disaster for your PR. Absolutely. But she, I just think like her, even being like tangentially associated with Epstein, there's something so hilariously old New York, quote unquote, old New York about it. Old money,

literally, is like, God, these like stupid fucking rich people. You know what I mean? And there's something rony about that.

Yeah, there is. There's something rony about that. And I'm missing that. And I know that it's an intentional reset to have none of that in this iteration.

But like, a Morgan, and we had, you know, a Countess but like Carol like was in Kandahar for six weeks reporting for ABC News. That is a woman. These women are impressive though. They're very impressive women. I would say like

and I'm hesitant to even bring the politics into it because obviously I can't verify this but like. The Aaron of it all? The Aaron of it all. So apparently, allegedly Aaron maybe donated some money four hundred dollars to Trump after the election after the election funniest detail which is truly insane uh-huh that story is developing yes um but it's a shame because I do like her on the show I know but it unfortunately it's really hard for me as an audience member to

have her come back from that. I'm watching and I go, I don't like you. I don't like you if that's the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, that's why you don't do that. Right. Speaking of don't do that, I have really been struggling with you not being here during these last few weeks. I've been dressed like that. Let's talk about it.

Well, is there anything to say? Does anything happen on the show? You know what? That's a lie. In this last episode, a lot of things happened. But it took a really long time for things to happen. The Che Diaz of it all has now become the monster is now self-aware.

The focus group from a couple episodes ago, I did not think that they would go in that direction. And I'm kind of into it. Maybe it's like that Barbie thing of like, see, we're self-aware. Yeah. But I think Sara Ramirez at the end of the day,

they are one of our great talents. 100%. It is like some little injustice that they were given this role to begin with. Across the board, the new women in the show are like, what is this? It is like some little injustice that they were given this role to begin with. Across the board, the new women in the show are like, what is this? Like the contracts of it all. Like the fact that like Karen Pittman is under contract with this show.

And she as her character, Naya, has to just sit at dinner and be like, oh, my divorce. Hold on. And write a text message and then be like, oh, okay, dealt with that. And we as the audience don't know what happened. The women are not interested in asking her about it? Nope. It's messed up. And I'm telling you,

this is the problem with it. Is it's like, you could have had a show about Carrie, Miranda, and Charlotte that was them like engaging in the new world without being so patronizing as to include all these new women and do nothing with them. And then the one you do the most with is the worst. Seema is terrible. I feel comfortable publicly saying that I really, every line read to me is giving rolling on rehearsal.

She's out of her genre. Rolling on rehearsal. We loved Sarita in Homeland. She was great in Homeland. And all of her other projects. This is just not the genre. It's not the genre. There was no care put into any of these characters

or the casting. I swear to God, every scene with LTW and her husband is still written by Sesame Street writers. It becomes Sesame Street when they're on camera. I don't believe that these are conversations that this couple has.

It's wild to me. And then, like, it comes at the expense of the main storylines. And then you just have a weird, bad show.

These scenes end on lines that are not buttons. There's like a lack of scoring in the show, which is very disconcerting. Oh my God, the scoring, mama. What?

It's like never there. It's like, it's not moving. Sarah Jessica looks bored and miserable. I think she's having fun. You think so? I think the whole like her waiting at urgent care for that guy. I think she was like in her like meet cute bag that she hasn't been able

to do for a while. I think the only person acting on the show is Cynthia. And Cynthia's nailing. She's doing great but when it's compelling is like that scene with her and Steve. That was like incredible. I was like what is this? She's just shaving like I need space.

And Miranda's like okay. Even just all that landing on her you can tell I'm like oh this is great. Cynthia's incredible. She's an need space. And Miranda's like, okay. Like, even just all that landing on her, you can tell I'm like, oh, like, this is great. Cynthia's incredible. She's an incredible actor. It's just like, I don't believe that Miranda is this dumb. Right. And just to go back to the LTW stuff, like, there is nothing to track because out of nowhere, the husband is running for comptroller. Right.

Because she said so. Because she said so at, like, an anniversary dinner as a way of like changing the power dynamic with the mother-in-law. I'm like, what is happening? Yeah, they've lost that thread. And now it's like, they hint that there may be going to be conflict in their storyline

because they both have an event, like a big event. Because their whole thing is that they're busy. They're busy. And yet this woman is an award-winning documentarian who uses iMovie. Check the damn interface on the Mac. I mean. She's editing her documentaries on a MacBook,

not Pro, on iMovie. Do people do that? Not award-winning documentarians. You're certainly right. But I love that they were like, oh, there's potentially going to be conflict here. And then her husband literally shows up for her. And the scene ends with her being like,

I'm so lucky to have support at home and it's like okay so what was the conflict of the storyline like what is it i know i know it just becomes like it it's wild and here's the thing it's weird to see people engage with the show right because it's like there's this weird idea that's out there like people have to be positive about it or that people have to be like, I don't know. I think that there's definitely conversation about the quality, which is low. It's just not well done. But there's this thing of like, but we still love these women and we love watching these women and I'd rather have this than anything else.

It's like, you guys, this is what's sort of broken about all of this. You know what I mean? It's like we have to retreat this so much because we can't actually get compelling new stories for women like this. And you can't coast on nostalgia alone. And I think that's the thing.

We're really starting to pay for it. You see even the box office seats for these well-trod big properties, like big IP, like Mission Impossible, which I saw. Like, that's really failing. The Indiana Jones movie is doing very poorly. It's like, I think that there is an exhaustion with these stories being told and told and told again

to the point where they actually are no longer interesting because we've literally seen it. We've seen it. Literally. And I was telling you that I think maybe what the Barbie movie is going to set

as a trend is like movies about like brands and companies now instead of like storylines and all of those

adaptations are going to be like meta. Right. Like Nintendo and Barbie. Like Mario and Barbie. Exactly. Literally the movies of those adaptations are going to be like meta. Right. Like Nintendo and Barbie. Like Mario and Barbie. Exactly.

Literally the movies of the year are Mario and Barbie. And I know, I understand that I say it like Mario. No, it's okay. Mario. There you go. No,

no, no, there's no, I'm not correcting you. Mario and Barbie. However you want to say it. Let's call the whole thing off. Those are the most,

those are the biggest characters in film. Mario and Barbie. Honey. And I liked both. And I want to talk about something that, What? But I can't talk about it because of the strike.

What is it? We're going to bleep it out like it's catch. I'm doing a voice in the movie. Oh, can't talk about it. Sorry. We can't.

Can't. We can't talk about it. You'll never know what Bowen's project is. I know, I know. Because you can't talk about it. I literally can't talk about it. You'll never know what Bowen's project is. I know, I know. Because he can't talk about it. I literally can't talk about it. Cancel your streamers.

Fran Drescher and Duncan Crabtree Ireland are my gods. Fran? I know she got in trouble for going and partying with Kim. But can we just say I blame Kim

because Kim fucking savvy as hell knows what she's doing when she's like get the camera I want a picture with Fran Drescher. She knows exactly how it benefits Kim and how it hurts Fran. Yeah.

Like she knows she's smart. She's one of the smartest. She's one of the smartest. She is. Do you think that she'll be good in American Horror Story? Can we talk about it? Neither of us are in it as far as I know. Sure, sure, sure.

Unless that's one of your projects. Are you about it? Neither of us are in it as far as I know. Sure, sure, sure. Unless that's one of your projects. It's not. Are you in it? I didn't even get an audition for the American Horror Story, Kim Kardashian, Amber Roberts, Cara Delevingne.

I think you're closer to American Horror Story than I am. You think so? Absolutely. Definitely, definitely. You've got the Ryan Murphy face. You think I've got

the Ryan Murphy look? You've got the Ryan Murphy look. I only mean that as a compliment. I only take your advice. My handsome king. My handsome girl. Listen. You know what I was watching. I only mean that as a compliment. I only take my handsome King, my handsome girl. Listen, you know what I was watching?

What? This is a really good documentary. The rock Hudson documentary. I need to, Oh yeah. I'll have it allowed. That heaven allows. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Or something like that, which is like a rock Hudson movie, but then like, yeah, it was really good. It was,

it was actually fascinating. And I, traditional handsomeness got me there, but I was just like, I'm watching it. And and I was like what a fucked time and I guess like you know it's still all fucked but it's

just so weird that like these secret lives that had to be lived I just always like a chill runs up my spine when I see like gay men partying like in the pines like in the 80s like around that time it just like man oh that time it just like man oh man like it just it's so hard to wrap your head around i know that reality that nightmare

um but anyway i not to quickly descend into no no devastation but that was really a tough watch. You get the sense that it's sort of nightmarish. It would have been impossible for us. It would have absolutely been impossible for me, for you, for so many people we know. I just think about, well, anyway. I literally just looked down at my paper

and it said Rush by Troye Sivan. At least we have queer joy. You know what I mean? I just love my friends so much. And I love my community so much. And it's just sad. It's just very sad. And that was top of mind because I had watched the Rock Hudson documentary.

And if you want to marinate in that, you can go watch that. But I'm not going to drag the readers down with the ship here. I want to talk about another documentary. And it's not that I've seen it, but I want to see it. But it's on Studio Platform. Oh, damn it. So I feel like want to talk about another documentary. And it's not that I've seen it, but I want to see it, but it's on Studio Platform. Oh, damn it. So I feel like I should talk about it.

Rush by Troye Sivan can be talked about. Let's talk about it. What a great song. I fucking loved it. I love it. I still love it. Does it make you want

to pop the poppers? Absolutely. I also haven't, I haven't had sex in like. I know. Are we in our little Valcell era? I haven't had sex in like I know are we in our little Valcell era I haven't had sex

in two months does that sound right yeah I guess so yeah the jessel up in here you're giving

it's giving jessel I'm like a gay jessel you're gay jessel two months is two years for gay you wearing Alexander Wang never me never you

um Brush by Troy Sivan I mean can I confess what I still haven't seen the music video you have it i know oh man i've seen the clips and i'm like oh i mean there's some choreo yes i i do love the choreo i'd be whipping out some unknown talents acting dance modeling modeling that cut the single cover is like one of the most gorgeous photos and he's got his

images down I just I love that this man has chosen a lane which is I'm gonna write songs about the moments right before

something goes in there mm-hmm one two three take all of me bloom look at the lyrics of bloom I bloom just for you.

I bought them just for you. That means that there was one person. My favorite choice of on lyric. You want to know? What? Should be the last night ever. Should be the last night we're apart. Got my name on this treasure.

On this treasure. Love it. My favorite choice of on lyric is. You made it easy Easy Please don't leave me Leave me You and Troy

Oh no, I'm saying you Can we talk about why you've been hanging out? No. Okay. Can I just That's my strike. That's your strike.

I want to say in the broadest terms and please cut me off Okay. To all the readers, Katie's publicist, finalists, Matt is doing some very fun things.

There will be a new era. There will be a new era. That's where we're going to leave that. Okay. We can say that much. Honestly, maybe by the time this is out, something will...

I don't know. What was I going to say? Okay. But one thing I want to say about Twitter becoming X. Yes yes i saw that twitter became x and i laughed yes my ass because off because i just thought this is the stupidest thing in the world that twitter becomes x and i wanted to clear something up when i saw that twitter was becoming x i thought okay this is really over i thought this is really going down yeah So I decided to sort of tweet like the world was ending.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what this tweet was? So basically, here's what happened. And I want to clear something up because I got a lot of concern messages. So I used to have a Twitter. And the way that I would tweet is sort of like the way I speak on this podcast. Very like the plane takes off. I don't know if it's going to land. Whenever I start a sentence, I just hope to land the plane. You know what I mean? I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. Sort of essential tenet of my personality.

That's my housewives tagline. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. So I decided to just start tweeting like run on sentences crazy. And I said something. It's giving James Joyce. Yeah, I was just like crazy tweeting, like trying to sentences crazy. And I said something. It's giving James Joyce. Yeah, I was just like crazy tweeting, like trying to make jokes. And then people were like,

what's going on? This is cringe. What's wrong? Is something going on? Is something wrong? I think because of the content. Yeah. I honestly even forget what I said,

but I was like, okay, so you can't actually just have fun on this platform and like do whatever because you can no longer communicate on that app. Like I miss when Twitter used to be a place where you kind of just like pop off and say anything and like you could be funny and like whatever. But now it's just like

everything means something. It's just like it just gets. So I can't even do that on Instagram anymore. Like I like just wanted to like talk some shit about like people who are tweeting. Literally Twitter is the origin. And then people were like, this is cringe. This is awful.

Like, and I'm just like, okay, wait. So there is no fun place anymore. I mean, like, look, if what you did didn't land, if what I did didn't land, that's, like, ultimately on us or whatever. But it's just, like, it reminded me why I don't have Twitter. It's because, like, oh, it's too easy for things to not land. I know. It's too much gray area and intentional gray area. You know what I mean?

It's where it operates. It's like some bad faith interpretation. But I've told you the moment that jumped the shark for me, right? Was I was stoned watching Looney Tunes. I tweet from my personal account, God, the Looney Tunes are so iconic.

All my replies are, this isn't news. What are you talking about? Of course, this didn't have to be said. And I'm like, we've really lost the thread here. You couldn't even say something positive about the Looney Tunes. About the most universally beloved thing

ever. They had to say, this isn't news. You can't even like something that people love. I think what I said on Twitter was, I deleted it because it was just getting too much, but I said something like, God, people were like, he's going off about his ex. I'm like, I'm literally not.

You know what it was? I was talking to my friend about how he's in a relationship but he can still be on his host shit on instagram yeah and so i tweeted i love when i see people in relationships still on their horse shit yeah clearly that means you spoke to your partner they said baby be you i said congratulations whore marry them you will never do better and people were like it's crazy to see you slut shame. I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, I think everyone should be a whore.

I literally know one of my number one mission statements is slutdom for everyone. I literally was congratulating people on having communication open that they felt they could be a whore on Instagram. Yeah. And then I was on. I thought I was on fire. And so I was like, oh thought I was on fire. And so I was like, oh, I'm going to tweet again. And I said something like,

we have to stop trying to change each other in relationships. You DM'd me because you thought he's cute and I'm smarter than him. And so now I'm not going to start reading. Right. Because I'm an actress, whoa, better than revenge. Better than revenge.

Belt. Belt. And people were like, why are you doing this? It's like, you can't be too detailed. I was like, I thought it was revenge. Belt. Belt! And people were like, why are you doing this? It's like, you can't be too detailed. I was like, I thought it was funny. Right, but it's like, you can't be too, like, you can't

like, put too much detail on it. You can't be too vague. Like our own girls were like, ugh. I know, I know. It's a weird collective time right now. Venus is in retrograde. You understand. And it's Leo season, which got me really excited. Did you see Chani did her post for Leo? I loved her Chani post.

It got me really hype. Leo season could be fun. She said all caps UNFOLLOW. I said, I know that's right. Brooke Ashley at the Roni premiere. I said, I know that's right. I've been saying that to you a lot lately. I-K-T-R.

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Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Now, before we move on to I Don't Think So Honey and close out the episode, really quickly, I want to say the only culture I've been consuming besides Barbie and Oppenheimer later tonight is couples therapy. Oh my God.

Obsessed. Obsessed. You're middle of the season. I'm in the mid. What do you think so far? Sean and Erica? Well, he of the season. I'm in the mid. What do you think so far? Sean and Erica? Well, he is a villain.

I would agree. Erica, I think we need to move on. There's a kid. Yeah, but there's a kid to stay. I know it's not a reason to stay. There's a kid and she has had a life.

That's certainly true. I get it. I like, whenever someone is in a bad relationship and I see it, and especially now with the years accumulating, it's always just like, God, I understand more and more why people don't act.

I do get it, but it's also so clear when they need to. I know. And you wish you had that for yourself. But you can never tell for yourself. No. You need an Orna. Matters of the heart. Matters of the heart.

Matters of the heart. Orna is amazing. One of the most impressive people I've ever seen. Yeah. I would extend the invite for her to come on this podcast, but I'd be scared. Why? Because she'd be like, Now, where did you go? Where did you go?

Where are you, man? And why did you, when he said that, you fl he said that you flinched you flinched no can I just say what's happening here her inflection on her questions

just that light accent the light sort of like tell me I think it's interesting I think it's interesting do you Matt's got an orna Matt's got an orna

you know she is my favorite thing is when she goes, it's like the first time she meets the couples and she goes, so,

tell me. Tell me. Tell me. It's so chic. And can I say, this is not me being shady. You should be Orna on Weekend Update.

Not to talk about the industry. No, no, no. We're not plugging. We're not scabbing. The way she dresses is both not quite right and yet the chicest.

And you can tell her kids have done weird little micro braids on her. And you're like, you let that happen because you're a good mother. And you're chic enough that you can just pull it off and wear a blazer and walk out the door and be like, I'm a psychoanalyst. Only a psychoanalyst could really get away with it. I mean. Where does she live? Fort Greene? Something.

Yeah, it's giving like Central Brooklyn. I love the Central Brooklyn aesthetic. It's that vibe. You know what's crazy is it's like, you have to imagine like these people that go on that show, they know it's a television show, so they come in with that baggage. And I feel like in this season

it's the first time that I'm ever seeing people be like, look at their partner and be like, okay, well I'm going to say this thing on television.

Right, but I think the camera is not being visible at all at any point. mind trick. Mind trick and yes, either the person

is hyper aware for that reason that the cameras are there like through like the two-way mirror or the one-way mirror whatever it is or they just

completely forget but what Orna says in all this press that she's done for the shows in the last few years because I like was googling her

is she's like I thought the cameras would be an obstacle but no the work the work is the work and I'm like work she's incredible

she's amazing she is one of the most Google-able people too. I think her Wikipedia could be longer. Absolutely. I don't say that. I never ever think that about anyone. I'll be honest. Sometimes I go to someone's Wikipedia

and I think to myself, I need all this. I need all this. Get me to personal life quicker. Honey, on my own. On my own. Edit. Oh my God.

Are you kidding me? I'm going, y'all are still quoting that Maureen Dowd piece? No. That was not it. Okay. Mine says my SAT and ACT scores. I said,

that's not okay. That's not okay. That's a violation. That's HIPAA. You know what? That's a HIPAA violation okay that's a violation that's HIPAA you know what that's a HIPAA violation that actually might be it might be we're gonna look into it

I think I must have said that on the podcast in 2019 like when I was like and then like now they're just out there and they're right those are my scores but no one needs to know and you know motherfucking Willie Geist is going to be like, in a couple of years, be like, so I read that you got a 31 on your ACT.

I did get a 31. Did you just guess that? I just guessed. That's a good score. I thought it was pretty fucking good. Great score. But then people are like, what?

Though all of a sudden you realize that like randos in your life have these really high SAT and ACT scores am I outing you by saying you got a perfect score on the ACT no no no you're not outing me that's pretty fucking good bitch but I was a good test taker

and I was not even book smart definitely not street smart were you doping? I was doping I was doping in the testing center. The proctor saw me dope. And they said, we'll let you get away with it. I'm going to read a random rule of culture.

Okay. Okay. Wow, we have so many. Repeat numbers. Oh my God, look. Rule of culture number 72. Bowen and Matt are Oprah and Winfrey. Whatever that means.

Whatever that means. Whatever that means. Now it's time. Okay, so I'm just looking at my list of cultural topics, and I'm seeing if I can source one of them for our segment. Hunter Biden. I do think so, honey, Hunter Biden. You are obsessed with Hunter Biden in a good way. I would like to play him in a biopic.

Yes. I know. Oscar winner. I think Hunter Biden is my Oscar it's the best casting since Margot Robbie played Barbie I would absolutely slay as Hunter Biden

I'm speechless I'm ready to read the script are you going to have them draw the bags under your eyes I honestly don't need them drawn in that's not what I'm saying or are you gonna i honestly don't need them drawn in look that's not what i'm saying i'm saying or are you gonna like really like pull pull pull pull pull like i will do what i need to do to be method as hunter biden if it means i need to do whatever i need to do i've rarely felt as connected to a piece as i feel about the hunter biden biopic that's not yet written i don't know

who's gonna write it maybe you. Well, who majored in dramatic writing? My friend. Hunter Biden. I do think so, honey, that. We spoke about the strike. We spoke about Bowen's absence. We spoke about Barbie. I mentioned Mission Impossible. I mentioned Theater Camp. We're seeing Oppenheimer tonight.

Yes. You want me to go first? Switch it up or no? By the way, we're on Indictment Watch. Indictment Watch. We're on Indictment Watch. We're going to go first? Switch it up or no? By the way, we're on indictment watch. Indictment watch. We're on indictment watch. We're going to get him this time. We are going to get him this time. I'm telling you right now.

I think we have a handful of more indictment watches. Okay. I think I can do mine. Okay. This is I don't think so, honey. This is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in culture.

Sorry about this. Matt is apologizing ahead of his I don't think so, honey. I'm so interested to see what this is. It pains me. This is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. Painful I don't think so, honey. As time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Housewives of Potomac and this new fight

that's happening. Maybe Potomac is done. I don't know, guys. It pains me to say it because I do think so, honey, that I said on this podcast, I believe it was four years ago, don't sleep guys it pains me to say it because I do think so honey that I said on this podcast I believe it was four years ago don't sleep on Potomac I did not like what I saw on this video from any of the girls

it's been rough I don't know what to say about two friends of getting into it in this way to the point where someone gets tossed down a little flight of stairs the video is chilling. I don't think so, honey. Fighting. Like, I don't think so,

honey, when things come to physical blows for the second time on this show and like a kind of running thing is like who's gonna hit who? No. I think this Roni reboot is working. I'm not saying we need to reboot Potomac. I'm saying we need to look at Potomac.

Five seconds. Because it's not good. And that was like the end of the season. Is this going to end on a bad note? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I couldn't agree more. I hate saying it.

I hate hearing it. I hate agreeing with you. I'm still firmly of the belief that the vibes are bad all around. Chiefly emanating from Giselle Bryant, Mia Thornton. Ashley Darby. Ashley Darby. These two fucking, what's her name?

Sesame Street. Deborah. Deborah, and then- Well, apparently it's Wendy's new friend, Kiana. Wendy's new friend. And my thing is just like, of course we don't know what happened, but it was Ashley Darby's event.

And I just feel like we're not moving forward. Towards the end of the season, it really wasn't fun to watch. It used to be that all these women were funny. Yeah. And like fun. And not that I'm not saying that's all they can be, but the vibes were just like pretty immaculate

for just a second there. And I really wish we could freeze that in amber. I think something's got to give with it. I hated seeing the fight. I know. It was not a good thing to watch and I don't even think I even watched the whole way through. It was hard. I learned from you

that they fell down a flight of stairs. Yeah, it was really crazy. I mean someone could have gotten really hurt. It was more upsetting than the Monique and Candice fight. Of course. Well, the was really crazy. I mean, like, someone could have gotten really hurt. Like, it was more upsetting than the Monique and Candice fight. Of course. Well, the Monique and Candice fight was, like, a flurry of violence that ended in, like, them,

like, in a deadlock. In, like, a lock. This was a knockdown drag out. That was a tough one. Violence? I don't think so, honey. That's never the answer, and that's actually real culture number 30. Violence is never the't think so. And that's actually real culture number 30. Violence is never the answer. Sorry. Okay, well, I'll shift gears.

We're going to get a gear shift. I have a text from Andy Cohen. Okay, can we read it on the show? Thank you for hosting Reality Check this week. So I'm hosting Reality Check this week on Radio Andy. Yes, very exciting. Andy, I want you to know, I was not going to read your text if it was personal,

but it ended up being promotional. And so I read this text. And it's the one thing he can promote. I thought he was going to ask me, what are your thoughts on Roni? Because I did text him. I electively gave my thoughts. Yes, of fun.

And I said, I just want you to know, I think this is a home run. And he responded and was very excited. He said he was breathing a sigh of relief to have it out. And I think we're onto good things with this one. Me too. He seems excited too. Yeah, you should be.

Yeah. Do you have something that's kind of grinding your ears? I do. And it's been on my mind for a little bit. Oh, my goodness. Well, you've had much time to think of it. Yep. This is Bill and Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey.

His time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, the city of Amsterdam. I was recently in you with our friend, Kola Skola, who came up from Ghent to visit me. It was really nice. We did a lovely... We saw Dutch Les Mis. Darling Deer. Darling Deer. So fun. So lovely. Was completely in Dutch. I was at the opera. Oh. I was like, I don't know what's being sung exactly, but I know

the story. I know, oh, this is... Emotionally, you knew every minute. Our Eponine was phenomenal. Our Fontaine flop. But I don't think so many of the city of Amsterdam, you cannot have a weed city, a drug city, and have everyone be riding bikes. It's a recipe for disaster.

Either the pedestrians are stoned and being slow and not moving out of the way, or the people on the bikes are on acid and they shouldn't be on the bike. And also, the Dutch people in general, you can't be rude and kooky. And you're both, most of you are both.

And I'm going to be a little racist here and say that most of you are both. Oh my God. That was racist against white people to say that we're kooky and... Not all, the Dutch. Here's the thing.

When weed becomes a part of a culture, I think functionality also goes way up on marijuana. I've never figured it out. I'm never functional on weed. But you were functional when you were like waiting tables. That's because

the place where I was high waiting tables was one of the easiest places to work in America. Ulysses? Ulysses. Can we say? I think so. Okay, okay. I worked at this restaurant in the financial district and I would literally work from 7 p.m. to 4 a.m. That sounds awful. On Monday nights.

And because we pulled tips, it was like- Do whatever. Everyone had made the money earlier. And so because I was there logging the hours, I made the money. So I could go in there at like 7 p.m. at the end of a dinner rush on Monday and like stay till four because

the kitchen was open till four for whatever reason. I was on the floor. I wasn't even behind the bar and I would make a lot of money. So I could be so fucking high. On a Monday at 4 a.m. That was my shift. Monday, 7 p.m. to 4 a.m. And because for some reason, Monday dinner was good. I think it was lobster night. You guys had great seafood. Really did. Yeah. And then I was able to make a large chunk of the money because I had high hours. In fact, I had the most hours because I was 7 p.m. to 4 a.m. on a Monday evening. Yes.

Wow. But I would say you went to work stoned and it was fine. Like that is... I've never... So some people, I don't, don't condone. Some people can drive a car high. No, no way. No way.

And this is a town full of people who ride bikes high or walk around high while bikes are flying past them. I was like, this doesn't work. No, this doesn't work. Cut to me on the ground. Cut to me on the ground. In a heap.

Next to the Anne Frank house. Cut to me in a heap on the heap next to the Anne Frank house. Cut to me in a heap on the ground next to the Anne Frank house, bloody, beaten, battered, and biked down because I was high. Because I got high. Because I got high. Because I got high.

Remember when that was a number one hit? I saw that music video for the first time at a sleepover, all boys sleepover. And we were what? Like 10 years old. Yeah. Being like,

because I got high. Afro man. Wow. That was his name. That was him, right? Yeah. Yeah.

We were like, Becca came in hard with that. Was that your jam? You know, middle school stoner vibes. Were you a stoner? Middle school stoner? Yeah. Becca. Eighth grade. That's cool know, middle school stoner vibes. Were you a stoner? Middle school stoner? Yeah.

Becca. Eighth grade. That's cool. Eighth grade stoner. Okay, so you were, we can say now, the baddest bitch. I would hope so. Yes, yes, we know so. We know so.

You sort of do give that vibe. Yeah. You give off the vibe of, I'm grown now. I don't have to like compensate for anything. I just need to chill. Well, you can't. of I'm grown now. I don't have to like compensate for anything. Well, you can't. That's the thing is it's like talking about like high functionality. I can't smoke and do a damn thing.

No, no more. Because now I know it makes me like anxious socially. Yeah. Especially like when you're already at something and it's going well and then you smoke and you're like, oh no. Didn't have to do that.

The one and only time it was ever good was when we were at the Boom Boom Room. You remember when? Yes, from that one person's joint. From that one person's joint. Oh my god. I have not heard from that person. I haven't heard from that person either. I hope he's doing okay. I hope so. Okay, anyway. Anyways.

Anyways. Okay, let me look at my other topics. Yes, yes yes did we miss anything? Eras in Denver and Just Like That is terrible Emmy nominations we can't talk about it we can't talk about it let's see

Vampire by Olivia Rodrigo love it blood sucker fame fucker god the suck your teeth into me it's giving queen yes have people been saying that? the suck your teeth into me. It's giving Queen.

Yes. Have people been saying that? I just think like if they're saying it, they're not saying it loud enough. I'm just saying it sounds like like from beginning to end, it sounds like a Queen song. It's really good.

I believe the girl did it again. Also, I want to say about Barbie, that Billie Eilish song, that might win her another Oscar. Gorgeous song. That is really good, and it plays really well in the movie. Yeah.

Billie is... Billie's good. Billie, come on the pod. Billie, come on the pod. She's a musician. She's allowed. I guess we can't talk to her about the Barbie movie, though.

Because she'd be promoting. Can't talk to her about that little show where she's that cult girl. Can't talk about it. Can't talk about it. No, we can talk about Swarm. She can't talk to her about that little show where she's that cult girl can't talk about it can't talk about it no we can talk about Swarm Swarm yeah she can't talk about Swarm

she can't talk about Swarm but I haven't seen Swarm well the theater camp thing we can talk about theater camp I haven't seen it yet thought it was great I haven't seen it yet got

stars in it stars galore Patty Patty Ayo Ben Molly Noah Nathan Lee Graham oh yeah it's an all star cast it's an all star cast galore. Patty. Patty. Ben. Molly. Noah.

Nathan Lee Graham. Oh, yeah. It's an all-star cast. It's an all-star cast. It's actually very Lost Cult coded. It's very Lost Cult coded. In terms of the cast. Has everyone been on? Not Noah. Noah. Soon, baby. Soon, babe. We love you. Well. Bloodsucker! Oh, wait. Hold on. Congratulations to Jimbo.

Congratulations to Jimbo and La La Ree. And Candy Muse. And Candy Muse. Candy Muse. Legend. Star. I mean, all I thought about all season was star. And you cannot,

and I know we have a bias in saying this, but I'm tired of hearing people say it was a bad season. No! Because you know what we got out of it in the end? Even a redemption arc for Monica Beverly Hills, not a sulking clock. If this season can deliver

Monica Beverly Hills a viral meme moment, then it was a great successful season. Everyone walked away from that season with something to gain. And you can't say that

for all All-Star seasons. And we end every episode with a song. Not a sulking clock. Not a sulking clock. Not a sulking clock. and we end every episode with a song. Not a sulking clock. Not a sulking clock. Not a sulking clock. Not a sleigh.

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