Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Freak Sick" (w/ Jimmy Fowlie)

Episode Date: April 1, 2020

Matt & Bow are actually tickled and thrilled to welcome the truly funny and "helareos" Jimmy Fowlie to Las Cultch! On this ep, the three homosexual men chat about hidden perversity in Disney media, Strangers With Candy and The Real World as formative culture. Jimmy opens up about how a recent breakup has been affecting his comedy, and the boys get into it about modern gay relationships and how they can sometimes lead to making empty threats in WeHo Gold's Gym parking lots. Plus, the queers reveal the weird and very fucked ways they started masturbating. All this, a truly haunting I Don't Think So Honey from Jimmy, and a performance of "Sparks Fly" by Tayla Swiff. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Literally hello to everyone out there listening. It's me, Matt Rogers of this very podcast, Lost Culture Recess. And before we get into this episode, I just wanted to hop on here and tell you guys all about something I'm extremely excited about, which is the premiere of my show, Game Show, on Quibi on April 6th. So if you haven't heard me talk about Game Show before, it's a show that I created with not just friend of the pod, not even just family of the pod, sister of the pod, Dave Mazzoni, where we take two straight contestants, two straight male

contestants and put them head to head to see which one of them will emerge victorious as honorarily gay as fuck and reign as queen of the straights so we take two straight dudes we put them through our challenges which are you know pop culture trivia challenges emotional challenges physical challenges and one emerges victorious so yes um this is two straight people competing to be called gay as fuck. And that's one reason why 2020 is not so bad. So if that doesn't entice you enough, I did just want to share some of the guest stars that we're going to be having on the show. Each straight contestant gets assigned a life partner, either a wise queer or a woman who gets it to help them on their journey to win the title of Honorary Gay as Fuck,

and they are as follows. Nicole Byer, Joel Kim Booster, Brendan Scannell, Patty Harrison, Trixie Mattel, Lisa Traeger, Ilana Glazer, Guy Branham, Tawny Newsome, Bob the Drag Queen, Sydney Washington, Rachel Bloom, Robin Feedy, John Lovett, Darcy Carden, and of course, you know we had to book the one and only Bowen Yang for the gig. That is Game Show on Quibi. April 6th is the launch. New episodes every day over the first two weeks.

Super, super excited. We've seen all the episodes and we're really thrilled for you guys to watch them. And also, it's a 90-day free trial if you signed up at the very beginning. So pre-order now. Utilize that 90-day free trial. And enjoy everything Quibi has to offer. I'm really, really excited about it. And I'm also really excited for you guys to enjoy this episode of Las Culturistas. Here we go.

Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding goodness Wow Las Culturistas Ding dong Las Culturistas calling I'm itchy itchy Why itchy? I told you this right? Oh yeah

What's with your body? I think it's stress hives Or something But I need to go see a doctor When I go back to New York But the thing is I'm uninsured What?

Wait stop Wait How could you be uninsured? Because I was kicked off sag insurance because i just didn't sign up in time for this next year because for a second there they booted me off because they were like you didn't qualify for this period and then and then i started making enough money for them to be like just kidding you can do it but like they a lot of mix-ups with the mailing address of it all and then it's too complicated it's too complicated in the w, I guess I haven't paid my dues and I don't have WGA insurance.

So I just don't have any insurance right now. Wow, you need it. Plain and simple, I'm not going to argue with you about it. No, no, and I'm not going to push back either. Don't push back. It's weird and I will pay out of pocket for... That Bowen, that's cuckoo crazy. I know, I know.

You're in two unions. I'm in two unions, but they make it hard on purpose for you to like pay on time i'll say this anything if i get any email that says insurance on it or like anything you open your flag for life like a bill or something i'm like okay now i have to remember that this is a thing about being an adult i know a 30-year-old man. It's just like you got to actually do things like this. Sure, I know. And it's difficult.

I am still sort of – But I don't want you to be itching. I know. I don't know what it is. Have you slept with anyone weird? I truly have not had sex of any kind in the last several months. Well, that's something that has – You have to sign up for two things, health insurance and sexual intercourse.

We have to make sure. I think the WGA and definitely SAG can get you some sex. I don't know. I don't get invited to the events. What are you talking about? I'm literally going to... No, we're not doing that. We're doing the...

What were you going to say? I'm saying I often get invited to events because of you. That's not, not SAG events. I'm talking, you don't get it. You wouldn't like to go to a SAG screening, accidentally brush your elbow a little too hard next to someone you're seeing, I don't know, a screening with, and then say, oops, sorry for that.

And they say, actually, it wasn't a big deal at all. Hi, I'm Michael. And then you shake their hand and have sex with them. Yes i tell you god that's all i want i just want the sparks to fly i have not felt that you haven't felt sexual attraction with another human i felt sexual attraction but truly it all it nothing were like star showers happening you know you know what i'm talking about tell her swift song did not play in your heart everything now meet me in the pouring rain kiss me on the sidewalk take away the pain pause for one second can we canonically make it so that it's not sidewalk but it's sidewalk like i want to add more melisma into to taylor. So let's do sidewalk,

take away the pain. And then, just to change one other song, instead of wildest dreams. What do you want it to be? I want it to be wildest dreams. No.

No. That melisma is All these dreams. No. Oh. That's, but that, that melisma is fucking up the tempo and. Why don't you want to change it? Because you know, she can't execute it.

Now, what I liked about the Ryan Adams cover album, and of course he is canceled. Okay. We'll edit that out. Of course, Ryan Adams is, we don't talk about him.

we can say it on the pod. Ryan Adams was fucked up to Mandy Moore, and it's actually rule of culture. Number three. You don't be fucked up to Mandy Moore. You actually don't. But in Ryan Adams' cover of Wildest Dreams, he goes. Love it.

Wah-ha. Wah-ha. Wildest Dreams. Which actually is bad. He can actually lay on a train track for that one gonna have to ask him to lay on a train track for that one now i hear here's someone who i would never ever ever want to lay on a train no and in fact if he laid on a train track i would just i would i would do this i would scream jimmy jimmy no i would say and i would call the police and i would call the

first of well the first thing you do if you see someone laying on the train track is called the police save your screams before you even say anything you go i'm at this address and this address so they can dispatch immediately hi let's do it 9-1-1 what's your emergency hi my name is matt rogers no i see no don't even tell them your name you got to tell them the okay can we try again one more time 9-1-1 what's your i'm at the train tracks and i'm my name is Matt Rogers. No, don't even tell them your name. You got to tell them the address. Okay, can we try again one more time? 911, what's your emergency? I'm at the train tracks and my name is Matt Rogers.

Should I not tell them my name? Should I, at what point do I tell them my name? Because they're going to ask when they get there. As soon as you're done saying, I'm at this train track, you've got to be specific

with the train track you're at. One more time. 911, what's your emergency? Hi, I'm at the Los Angeles train tracks. My name is Matt Rogers and I'm seeing a friend of mine

laying on the tracks. We're sending someone over right away. Oh my God. Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. And I should just wait here?

Yes. Okay. And see, the beautiful thing about that is you were, Los Angeles train track, I'm there. I'm there.

I know where, I know where you are. Yeah. We all know that. We can see it in our minds. Yes. We see things. Anyway, if you were

laying on train tracks, I would be very upset and I would, of course, call the police. Post haste. Post haste. Post haste. Now, I need to-

But not post taste. Not post taste. So he, I think, I see him as a true genius. Why people doing improv is iconic culture. Iconic culture. He plays every single

character in an improv class. It's the funniest thing I've seen in the world. Do you want to know what's something I respect more than like anything Malala has done? Is that Jimmy Fallon

put up the Emma Stone La La Land play. So Long Boulder City. So Long Boulder City. Genius. I actually respect that more than anything Malala has done.

I would agree. I think that if you were to compare the two, and we are. And we are. I would, you know. I would be like, well. I pick So Long, Boulder City Live. I pick So Long, Boulder City Live. What a genius idea.

That's like, I mean, a weird thing to say, but you know, like, when you see like Joe Firestone or something like come up with a brilliant show concept, you're like, God. You know, not even God you know not even it's not even an I wish I had thought of that situation it's like a wow I respect that idea

so much that I don't want to insert myself in that it was one of those things where I was like yeah someone should do that perfect and then someone was

so it's so our guest wrote the entire one woman show that Emma Stone performs in La La Land that you don't see Iconique

Iconique. And also this is amongst other I would say the word hilarious. I actually use the word hilarious which is two things. Not something you can say about everyone. And spelt like this. H-E-L-A-R-E-O-S.

Disgusting. And he's hilarious. And actually, what you must do is look at his YouTube videos, go to the Instagram. Oh, the Instagram is chock full of videos. And you have to,

this is gonna be hard for some people out there, some readers. We have to seek out talent. You actually have to seek out talent. You have to seek out talent. He's a Groundlings vet. Vet.

He, oh, his web series, Go Go Boy, interrupted. I mean, Iconic Culture. Iconic Culture. Also, oh, his web series, Go Go Boy, interrupted. I mean, iconic culture. Iconic culture. Also, he had a very small part in the comeback. Small part in the comeback.

Big part in the other two. Huge part in the other two. And stay tuned for season two. Stay tuned. Stay fucking tuned. And yeah, that's a spoiler. And that's a spoiler. And he has recently, I mean, the guy works hard.

Because he just finished writing this project that he's going to tell us more about. We're very curious. We're going to get the scoop. We're going to get the scoop. He just finished writing and he was just shooting it today before we came here. The project is called Windshield. Yes. Short film. Short film Windshield. Upcoming. Upcoming but

truly he like came in with a purpose to tell us about this. Yeah and actually can I tell you something? Yes. I had lunch with our guest probably about six to eight months ago, somewhere within that window period. A long time ago. It might have been seven months. Okay.

That's why I say between six and eight. Healthy distance. Yeah. I said, let's wait before we meet again. Yeah. Let's wait. Let's wait. Loved this, but we got to wait.

And we actually connected during the lunch and I felt like I left the lunch and I was like wow a soul connection we get each other we see each other I know he felt the same he's smiling you know what I say we bring him in so everyone please welcome into your ears

Jimmy Fowley hey guys how are you imagine that was what you So everyone, please welcome into your ears, Jimmy Fowley! Hey guys, how are you? Wow, hi. Imagine that was what you bring. We cast energy. After such a huge intro, and I'm like, hey. I think it's stupid. That was so nice.

Well, it's how we feel. Of course, we're so happy you're here. You guys are hilarious. Well, we feel the same way about you, and it's great to be able to sit here, and I'll say it, as three gay men who are supporting each other and not getting in each other's way

and not closing the door. Yeah. So often in this business, you see the gay men just shutting doors in each other's faces. Yeah. Sorry. It's a rough start.

No, that was not rocky at all no yeah i feel like um it's i don't feel super competitive with gay guys but also when i kind of came up through groundlings drew drogy like the icon yeah he was so supportive and other gay guys like above me older than me were like um just so nice and i felt i don't know have you guys felt gay guys just kind of the same way we literally talk all the time about how we had a very good relationships with people like i think it all came at the right time because i would imagine like over the years like when there's only been so many spots for like gay guys to be doing things,

the token gay person. And so it's, it's a weird energy, but we can say like we have, we're such close friends with like other gay comedians. Like that's like who's in our like group thread. That's like who we, but truly all it takes is it takes one friendly gay person.

Yeah. Truly to be like, Hey, yeah. Hey, you know, that's it. Um,

and drew absolutely is like the shining example of that. He's so great. He's so hysterical. He's undeniably funny. Yeah. Super nice. Um, side note,

Matt, I feel like it's important. You say what we did when we hung out, we saw Aladdin. Oh my God. I cannot believe i kept calling it a lunch but because i because it was aladdin and then we went to tendergreens yeah it was aladdin and then tendergreens it was literally this and this actually as you know that someone is is like you're already gonna get along with someone i already felt the vibe i was gonna get

along because you would never like the first time you're hanging out socially as friends be like let's sit for a two two hour movie no i mean we didn't really know each other but i was like we're seeing aladdin and then maybe afterwards we'll get lunch and then we did yeah and i i always remember the lunch but fucking you bet your ass we saw aladdin and remember that abu and it was haunting it was like so disturbing he was like every sober gay guy in AA that I've ever met. It's like cracked out of his mind. Yes. The whole movie is haunting.

And that Jasmine song that they added in. I just got chills thinking about the song. I literally shuddered into the mic thinking about the song. What? How does it go again? I will not remain speechless. I mean, here's the thing. We love.

I will not go. I will not go speechless. No one knows the melody of the song. Actually, if you asked anyone, they don't know it. But the fact of the matter is, we love Pasek and Paul. I was going to say that's Pasek and Paul. We love Pasek and Paul. We love Pasek and Paul.

But this song was just not the moment. The song, I would say that they would agree. Well, it's an anomaly. Why did they feel like they needed it? I don't know. And part of me is just like and part of me is just like part of me is just like i hope what happened is that actress demanded it she was like i need a huge ballad which you respect well we have to respect yeah but literally it was about the song was about

jasmine saying that no she would not remain speechless and she would finally speak up. She would want to be the sole sponsor. Culturally, no. You're not able to. I'm sure it was a network note that was like, we want a feminist win song. We want her to be actually a hashtag girl boss. Yeah. I love that that was one of the logic pieces that you found that you were like, this rubs me the wrong way.

That she has this characteristic. That's the thing. the thing Abu is like there's a flying carpet Jeannie, Will Smith oh that was a whole other moment I don't know why I'm bringing this energy into the world this actually is critical culture

I have to point out that it was a big headline when the lead actor who played Aladdin like said in an interview I haven't gotten a single audition and it's like okay sob story great it's hard it's hard it's hard for all of us it's hard for brown actors but then literally they just announced they're making a sequel to that live action a lot and he's gonna make like another he's gonna make his millions again it's like it's you're good you know are you talking are they making like an aladdin 2 or are they doing the other thing do you know what's the other thing do you remember when we saw the movie

and there was like the white prince played by billy magnuson who was like goofy and silly before they announced the sequel they announced they were doing a spin-off with his character literally there's now going to be a whole movie that's just that white blonde dumb prince i think it's something different i think this is a direct sequel, Aladdin 2, same cast. I believe. Culturistas, readers, let me know if it's not true. But I think that's what it is. Jimmy Fallon, I saw it, and he was not the breakout character.

Yeah. And that's okay. And there wasn't a breakout character. Nazeem Pedrad was the breakout character. Yeah, she was. Nazeem was good. Oh, she was so funny. Nazeem was great. Nazeem was great. She was, well, I guess I was. Nazeem was good. Oh, she was so funny. Nazeem was great.

Nazeem was great. She was, well, I guess I don't want to give a spoiler. Oh, but spoil it. I'll spoil it. She fucks the genie. She fucks the genie. Thank you. Someone had to.

Finally. Someone had to. I was missing that from the cartoon. Yeah, I actually was like, I think my note for the cartoon is the genie isn't sexual enough. Do you guys remember that like urban legend? Wait, how old are you guys? I'm 30. We're 29. 29 and 30. i'll be 30 by the time this comes out okay because around that time when it came out there was this urban legend that if they would that sex was written in the

clouds or yes they said take off your clothes yep oh do you remember that um in lion king it's when simba like collapses onto the, the leaves blow in the wind and say sex. It says sex in the air. Oh, okay. But for Aladdin, it was Genie saying take off your clothes.

Okay, that's what it was. The urban legend is Robin Williams just kind of threw that in there off script and then the animators kept it. That's bizarre.

In the very first original artwork for Little Mermaid, there's a dick in the... In the palace of atlantica palace they're so sick over at disney yeah that's disgusting it's actually every in order to even get a job you actually have to pass a pervert test yeah oh my god you think you think they're

testing and they're and you're like oh like i hope like it's like all pervert stuff and you're like no but they only hire the people that pass the pass and can i can i tell you something so this is not a brag but i was a recurring character on a disney show called bazaard bark wait maybe you've heard of it were you opposite jennifer coolidge no something else no that that that was something else that was two broke girls oh right right right um but i do love that other work that I've done is coming up naturally as we talk. Yeah, yes! But no, I played this character, Angelo, who was the assistant. Everyone thought I was an extra.

I had no lines. And it was supposed to be this big, like physical comedy bit leading up to all these character arcs. And I was in like three or four episodes. And they kept, I was an assistant to a 12 year old girl this is live it was okay with a laugh track there wasn't even yeah there wasn't even people in the audience so

it's truly dead silent we're doing the comedy it's got it's really unfunny i'm sorry if any of the writers are listening to this i'm sorry but you know it's a kid show i mean look it's like broad ass like uh my chicken smells like steak yeah so it was like people spitting out like like literally doing spit takes and all that yeah but they kept being like i love that they would act like they had me measuring a nine-year-old boy like measuring his body and and so it's the scene where i'm measuring them and and i'm like miming it and the director's like okay know, and don't go below the waist. Don't go below the waist. Oh, God.

I'm like, I'm so self-conscious right now. I hate this. And you created this moment. I didn't come to you and say, wouldn't it be fun if I was measuring his dick? I'm thinking about dipping below the waist while I measure the kid. What do you think? It was so weird. And anyways, they wrote the character off because it was so disturbing to the audience. What do you think? It was so weird. And anyways, they like wrote the character off

because it like was so disturbing to the audience. They wrote the character off. That's such a bummer. It was such a bummer. And you guys, I literally thought I had made it. It was my first time ever coming back.

So I felt like super confident. I like wanted to change dressing rooms because one dressing room like had a window and wasn't as cold. And I was going to like make a move and say, hey, can I actually switch dressing rooms next episode? Yeah.

And I never came back. Thank God I didn't make that request. That would have been so humiliating. I love that. Wait, the character was an assistant to a 12 year old? Yeah, she was like a, it was like a YouTuber. She was like a YouTuber. Wait, that's funny.

I'll find a clip and I'll send it to you it's i have to see this so yeah i mean look i'm sure that you were hilarious and i'm sure that if if they didn't like you it was just the audience they don't get it they don't get it i mean they didn't get what i was doing but then but then oh but there was two broke girls after c CBS diversity yeah that was a little bit that was like a few months after oh that's so great so you booked something

right after yeah that was cool and then and that was such a fun show because you know just doing sketch comedy like you love

they do have the live audience that is cool because so few shows feel like I feel like have that yeah so that's like a unique experience

if you get to do something like that totally especially coming from Groundlings where like everything is so heightened yeah so emotional I feel like have that now. So that's like a unique experience if you get to do something like that. Totally, especially coming from Groundlings where everything is so heightened, so emotional. Sometimes I'm teaching students and I'm like, is this just like this weird, outdated 80s thing that I'm teaching them? But every now and then you're like,

oh, when I was doing Two Broke Girls, I was like, okay, this is actually skills. It's so, because I came up atb in new york and so it's very very much the same like where you're doing the kind of comedy that that succeeds in live spaces and then i don't know how you feel but a note that i get all the time you're very bowen is very good and dropped in and like a good actor but no no no but you're about to say that you go too big i go i go too big i get to know constantly that hey you can just throw it away always because my face is drawn you are giving me too much credit because i watch myself back in this stuff and i'm just

like this fucking what's your thing that you watch that you're like i wish i could delete this my oh so many things i have so many videos of shows of me, like, doing a stand-up show where they have a fucking person recording the thing and putting it up on, like, the show YouTube, and it's, like, now, like, every now and then, like, you know, I'll do the

vain thing of, like, looking myself. I'll just, like, want to watch something that I was in, like, you know, like, for SNL. I'll just be like, oh, I want to watch that thing again. Just, like, once a month I'll do like oh I want to watch that thing again just like once a month I'll do this I swear to God but then like these shows of me

doing bad stand up are on YouTube and they have like 20,000 views and I'm like oh this people are like watching this

and thinking well he sucks and I'm just like this is truly a dark peak into my soul who uploads it just the

like the comedy like the like you know Greenspace NYC I'll call them out I've had the ask out to my managers to respectfully ask them to take it down because people the comedy place. Like, you know, Greenspace NYC, I'll call them out. I've had the ask out to my managers to respectfully ask them

to take it down because people, because you're able to, and they haven't yet, so I don't think they will, so it's fine. So if you're listening, this is a call,

you're getting called out. I will say this, like, this is so weird and random that this happened, but I came up at UCB and before I left for New York, for LA rather, I was on a team called Characters Welcome which is three to five minute weird and random that this happened but i came up at ucb and before i left for for new york i for

la rather i was on a team called characters welcome which is three to five minute um original characters every month you have to come up with a new one and recently some someone like slayed a character and the channel like blew up and i haven't been on the on the team for like two years so towards the end of me being on the team, I could kind of feel myself like, not slacking, but like- The well was drying up. The well was drying up and like,

my ideas weren't as good and like I wasn't like feeling writing original characters anymore and my writing like, I didn't do as many like punch-ups on it. So I wrote this character called A Straight Gay Teen, which is like a Love, Simon character that's like, I'm just like you.

I have two rich white parents and a dog and I'm a little gay and here's my sad story. And it was just about kind of picking on Love Simon. And I think it's funny, but it's crazy because the way it popped off on YouTube was like it is so many views and such a positive response and I'm like really because I'm watching this and I feel like it needs a joke pass like bad yeah and that's when I think like maybe I don't know what's actually good and I'm just like I have like such like a gay humor brain like I just think what I think is funny and like I don't know what it is but it's like that's so great that you think this is good but but like, I don't even, I don't even stand by this. And I think it would be that that I would take down just because I think it needs more joke passes.

I hear you. But people like it. And then I put up something I'm proud of and they're like, no. Okay, you're bragging. Stop. No. No, it's weird how some stuff people will respond to something, but then also it's like that weird something just hits the right person shares it it's a phenomenon um but yeah i felt that too like something i'm like i cannot wait to share

this with the world and no one cares yeah it's it's well before we before we take our first break i want to know about windshield uh before the break we're gonna take the break we're gonna take the break we're gonna go to break and break. We're going to take the break. We're going to go on a break and then we're going to be right back. And then I'm going to tell you a traumatizing story. Oh, I love it. I actually love trauma.

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Tell us about Windshield. Okay, so I'm going to tell you. So I, and this is my first time just sharing it in the open. And we're honored. So yeah, so this is my first time talking about it, the open. And we're honored. So yeah, so this is my first time talking about it. But I was in this two-year relationship. Actually, Matt, I think we had broken up when we hung out, right? When we hung out, you were in a really tough spot

because you were struggling very badly with the relationship. And then I remember about a week or two after we hung out, I had heard that, or I think you had like said something online that you guys broke up and I was like, oh, they must have broken up. Okay. That's so crazy if I said it online.

That's. No, no, no. Or something where you were like, you mentioned like single. You described yourself as single. Not like. Cut to my Instagram and just me being like,

I am single. I am single. No, but I remember I like, it wasn't something you told me. It was like, you described yourself as like being single and I was like, oh, I guess it wasn't something you told me. It was like you, you described yourself as like being single. And I was like, oh, I guess it didn't work out. I'm trying to think of what that was.

It's well, I have, I had, so basically I had, was with this guy for two years. We like had a really positive relationship. It was no like fighting, no anger, whatever. We ended up opening the relationship up um and and you know how that goes i think for some people it's fine but for me it's dicey sometimes it can be dicey anyways he ended up like dating our married friend who yeah like became a more than i just and they they like they the three of us were to hook up and then they hooked up on their own. And I,

in my head, I'm like, Oh, that's weird. But I'm like, do you like the person he, and I was like, uh,

to my ex, I was like, do you like, you know? And he's like, no, no, no,

I don't, I don't like him. Like, and he's like, I wish you would drop it. I'm like, okay. But they would be texting all the time.

And like, I, they would go out and and I told him oh whoever if we hook up with someone just let the other person know so it's everything's discreet it's on the table and then one time we were together and I saw on his phone like said like hey what's parking like at your place and I'm like oh did you hang out and he's like yeah and I'm like oh did you hook up and I was like okay oh, did you hang out? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, did you hook up? And I was like, oh, okay. And I felt super uncomfortable,

but I didn't feel empowered enough to say, hey, I'm really uncomfortable with this. But I was like, just moving forward, just let me know if you hook up. And it happened again. Anyways, long story short, I think you can probably edit all of that out. But I want to know, I have a question though.

And while this is all happening, do you guys still have like a healthy sexual relationship no not really well that's yeah so like basically we broke up the person that i had thought that he had a connection with that he's denied the whole time he i found out that that person had told my ex that he had feelings for him when we were still together and we were all friends we were like going out to concerts him and his husband so this thing was happening

it was happening and when I found out that they were together I went crazy and I ended up destroying his car windshield of his Audi oh my god in a jealous rage. You bust the windows.

I busted the windows. Of your ex-boyfriends? Of my ex-boyfriends. Got it. And this all happened at Gold's Gym Hollywood. I'll let you decide what's the scariest part of this story, okay? And then this is like really cryptic. Hopefully this makes you laugh because I think it's super dark.

As I'm in my car about to drive away after I threw a water bottle at his windshield. I'm about to drive away. He's like, Jimmy, he's like, my fucking car. And I turned to him and I go, this is just the beginning. And I haven't seen him since. I love that. So was it just the beginning? No, it was the end.

See, that's like sweet and endearing. I feel like it's so, you guys, so what's so weird is that I thought we would be friends forever. Oh my God. Windshield. Yeah, and so windshield. Yeah.

And it like, because I feel like a breakup story is not super, like I would have to be pretty delusional to think like a West Hollywood open relationship ending is like my sob story tale. But it's weird being comedian cause you're, you know, you're happy enough be in silly and performing. And I could not stop crying for like four months.

Like I cried every day for hours. And, um, I ended up going to therapy for it and talking about it. And I was adopted and I was in, like, I never really knew my, my biological parents. And so there were all these weird parallels of like me thinking I was replaced.

And like, I had a really unhealthy attachment to my ex. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but it was like, I would go to auditions and casting directors were like,

hey, how are you? And I'd be like, not good. And I would tell them the story of my breakup. Oh, my God. Like, it was so inappropriate. I would go, I would say, Jimmy, don't talk about it. Yeah. Don't talk.

I was going to my friend's wedding. I was like, do not talk about it. Go have fun, laugh, and then cut to me telling yeah the bride yeah the bride who you have so little time with do you know what i mean the fact i could work it in was shocking so um and it was just it was just really sad because i also was really angry that like i said all this hateful stuff i like threatened to beat up his new boyfriend if i ever saw them in West Hollywood which by the way is where they both live and it was really sad

it's hard you know people I don't really fault you for like shoehorning that into every conversation for a while with anybody because it's so like top of mind for you and it's all you're thinking I identify with it actually

I tell myself all the time probably not a good thing to bring this up but nothing's stopping you when you do it but you do it because I don't know I think maybe it is like a flaw but sometimes it is just like when these thoughts consume you especially

a relationship ending because of that. Like that open relationship thing, it's really – it's a touchy topic I think for the gay community because it so works for some people and so doesn't for everyone that doesn't work for it. And when it doesn't work for you, you feel like you're failing. Yeah. And I don't judge anyone. Like I know people who are in open relationships are so happy yeah it works for them and so i think i had this vibe actually to straight people like look i'm queer this is what we do cut to me in so much pain like i really i really had um i really went through it but um yeah it is kind of a touchy situation

and everybody's different and i think like yeah you just have to do what works for you and it's okay if it doesn't work for you yeah but i had basically lost myself yeah saying that i was comfortable with things i wasn't comfortable with and not trusting my instinct like i knew something was off sure and i just i loved my ex so much and I still even think he's a wonderful person you know what I mean despite everything and I've just never had that thing where like you never talk to the person again

have you guys had that where it's such a bad ending you're like never again well I'll say I had a boyfriend for two and a half years and we actually one of the reasons and we talked real, one of the reasons, and we talked about this, one of the reasons why we kind of realized it wasn't working was because we

tried being open and it was just toxic. And I think that unfortunately I have to like admit that I was kind of, I was, I was, I think I was the, I think I was like the toxic person in a relationship where I was just like not willing to make things better with my boyfriend because I don't think I was like the toxic person in the relationship where I was just like not willing to make things better with my boyfriend because I don't think I was really confronting the things that were wrong because I did want to stay in the relationship. I loved him so much.

And I was trying to convince him and myself that the open relationship would like save us. But that's the mistake I think that gets made is like if you're in a relationship that's not working the solution is not let's go to other people or let me try to make someone else comfortable with something and then maybe it'll be better like it can only be worked on individually with yourself and you can't drag the other person down and it is selfish to stay in something because of wanting to keep the relationship because there's another person involved. And so I think that you tell yourself a lot of lies about how it will be later or this is the answer and it breaks it down. So fortunately for me, me and that person, Henry, are still friends.

And we still work together. But it did end not well. And I think it could have ended better. And we had to really work on it. But we stayed living together for six to seven months. And that was kind of the part that bothered me the most as a third party being like, you got to move out. But I also think that's why we're still friends. That's good.

Because it forced you to right because imagine if you had ended the relationship with your boyfriend and you had been forced to still live with him like you have had to do with it popping back in and it's weird because i've seen we live very close to each other so i've seen him in passing a few times and it's just we just don't even acknowledge each other have you had that bone where it's so bad you won't even say really not really i'm like because i just don't i just have like a pretty like low sample but i whatever what the thing that struck me though was that you were like that this married couple was like slowly being like folded into your lives though you know what i'm saying it's like that's the thing that kind of like would drive me crazy it It's that like, you know, it's like, it's this insidious thing of like, oh no, like

we're just, they're going to come to this concert with us. And you're like, cool. Yeah. And then like you suspect something and then you can't really, you don't know how to bring it up. A hundred percent. Cause you don't want to be that jealous. You don't want to be that jealous.

You want to be secure. And yet the whole time it's like, this is not okay with me. And then you're like, well, there can't be anything going on. Like he's married. You know what I mean? But I did think he was my friend

and I felt like very betrayed. Like that's the part that hurts the most. Yeah. Is that you grieve what you have with your boyfriend, but also like you thought your friend would have been better to you. It was so sketchy. And then my ex was like,

my side of the street is clean. By the way, fuck off. The, his new boyfriend's ex husband now, cause now they're split. Wow. Went to fight my ex in the street.

The messy West Hollywood gay of it all. If you think that your side of the street's clean and people are breaking your windshield and fighting you in the street, you're so delusional. Examine it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, it's probably really hard for him to realize that. I do think he's a good person,

but anyways, here I am five months later talking about it on the pod. But the thing is, like, you've- On this iconic podcast. But you've processed it on it, but you've obviously is like, you've processed it on it, but you've obviously like channeled it into something like, you know,

like good, like creative and like great. Like, okay, so like, so what is, what can you tell us about the short? I can tell you that basically

it takes you through, it's really not so much of me trying to burn my ex or say anything negative about his new boyfriend, but just more about that like grieving and how you get through grief

and how to do it in the backdrop of Los Angeles alone is weird and then as a comedian like going to do comedy shows and teaching improv and like me fully like

disassociating sure and then there's some really cool people in it like Lauren Lapkus we love Lauren. She's so funny. And Nico Santo. Yes! And then, you know

who's playing my ex? Twist, Jonathan Bennett from Mean Girls. Oh, great! And he's so perfectly cast. Because there's something about him that feels like he's not, like, I didn't want him to be like, oh, this is my ex

he's a villain it's like likeable there's like a really warm quality to him manipulative I'm gonna say something I'm gonna make a weird like assessment of like um not assessment but I just what I love about what seems to be the common thread in like your stuff is that it's like there's this like

really funny fragility to all these people you play and like but there's like this like kind of this like really funny fragility to all these people you play. And like, but there's like this, like kind of this huge emotional, like flare up that's happening under like, like the veneer cracking of like, you know, like you do chaos very well.

Controlled chaos is something that is a real skill of yours. Like a laugh away from a tear. Yes, exactly. But this feels like, I mean, a laugh away from a tear, if you will. Yes, exactly. But this feels like, I mean, this is comedic, you would say? Windshield is comedic? Yeah, it's comedic. But it's definitely more, like, on the, like, raw side.

Yeah, more in the acting's real. Actually, really funny. Before, I was, like, terrible, like, fucking this guy in a rehab. Like, it was so, so like red flag city yeah and i created a character based on that who drew tarver played this guy in a rehab rehab and i'm telling him i'm like i want you to be in this indie it's very real raw and he's like oh my god great and i also happen to be shooting a sketch that weekend i don't know if you saw any of my clips the pop the feminine the feminine yeah yeah and he literally thought that that was what i was talking about and then i'm like it's this really

raw real movie and meanwhile i have a wig on i'm just screaming at a bunch of other gay guys in a place and that makes me laugh oh my god it was hilarious so but but i also remember at the time when you were in the relationship you made a video about open relationships which also popped off and was so fucking funny it's like so it feels like you and it isn't it is a thing it's like it's like as like gay men who are also comedians it's like we don't really see those situations like in major television shows and especially not like because they're not out there at all not like the kind of comedy that we like. So it is cool to see like you making it, like and making it yourself because literally there are no shows with it. And especially not where it's just like about this. Because now I feel like nowadays in order to get like gay content like that even looked at, it has to be like a two-hander.

You know what I mean? It has to be like a guy and also he has has a girlfriend who's also as big of a character. And it's like, sometimes it's difficult to write that when it's you, because I don't necessarily know that perspective of that character. I know the perspective that I'm going through, but you don't see the girls for gay men.

You just don't. Looking, I guess, tried. There was some, I don't know where I saw, but someone said like in TV shows, there's usually just one gay character. And it was like, meanwhile, I haven't seen a straight person in like four weeks. Because gay people would just be so immersed in their world.

And I thought that was so funny. I don't know straight people, so for them to make up the majority of television is obscene to me I love when a straight woman is like following me or a fan I'm always like I'm like spooked I'm like welcome hi hello I don't know

I don't really know how to like translate this for you I'm so sorry like we ask at our live shows sometimes like who's straight and like the two voices that ring out we're like should we bring them up and examine them? We should talk to them. What's going on? But thank you.

We had one reviewer. Never mind, actually. Cut this out, Doug. I was going to say, we had one reviewer on our pod who was like, love the pod, had great things to say. And then she goes, also, I'm conservative. Are we allowed? And I was like, wait, don't cut this to say and then she goes also i'm conservative are we allowed and i was like wait don't cut this out i think this is a this is a good topic like it's

i don't understand why i don't understand i don't understand why you would want to listen to us but um and we hope you have some like internal moral mechanism yeah still intact after all this but like thank you for listening um but we're not gonna like you know fucking cast you out but it's just thank you for listening like we love an outside perspective it is interesting it's weird cause it's like I don't know how far

that reaches the conservative thing cause I remember when prop 8 do you guys remember that oh 2008 I had girls in my acting class who were like yeah like i i do not believe gay people should marry and it was just like but you've known me for like years and like we like you don't think i should it was just a weird there was that area of time where like well we can say it i mean like barack obama was saying at the time he didn't believe

in gay marriage right and so was hillary and so was like even our political like people that we were supposed to like respect and aspire to were saying this because it was still so recent that like lgbt people got any rights at all and we have to remember like in like the grand clock of the world like we're on truly like 1158 of gay people being looked at as like equal. Yeah. It's like four and a half years since marriage equality. That's right. And to even, and what's crazy is like,

we've been through this with gay people and we've been through this with like civil rights where, you know, it's fucked up to treat humans like they're subhuman. And yet you still see people like in this, in our country, like dragging their feet on whether trans people can use the bathroom that they want it's like you guys we've been through this you have to treat

human beings like human beings like what is the big idea and it's it's that's when you remember like it is it is still to this day like forget about representation we're barely getting treated correctly yeah it's like wacko and crazy and weacko and crazy. And we demand a change. I say we take a quick little break. A little break. And then when we're back, we gotta ask Jimmy the question. And then we're actually

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We say, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me. So this just means like the formative thing, growing up, TV show, movie, you know, music, whatever it was that like locked you into like going down a cultural path in life. Does that make sense?

Yeah. I think I was thinking about this. I feel like it was real world norms and like Danny and speaking of gay people but also just like the non-stop look into these lies and it's like so boring and like but also interesting so I think that was a big part of it and also Strangers

with Candy if I can say why wouldn't you be able to say I don't know no I mean yes my thing is like well to touch on the real world of it all, it's like that was so, like I remember really if you had like cable. Yeah. Did you have cable at this point? Did you know?

I did not have cable. All right. So MTV was almost like the forbidden channel for me because my parents were like, you cannot watch this. No. And then I remember I became like 15 and could watch it. And all of a sudden,'re like i was like wow and i was like so obsessed with these people who i thought were the most gorgeous eight strange seven strangers side note comedy central was blocked at my house wow really south park yeah and actually because of stranger uh stranger candy like i was watching it and my mom was like

what is this and then i couldn't watch it anymore god um yeah that's the thing i remember like my parents would always like walk in at the most inopportune time when i was watching mtv like it was always like a spring break type thing yeah which i thought was the horniest shit i'd ever seen it was really it's remains it is yeah you know also side of this is i'm sure i'm gonna regret sharing this later but um i don't i was such a chronic masturbator where I would be like with a blanket but like I would do it in public places like when I in my living room parents around sisters around and I would have a

because I started masturbating before my body could even produce semen so it wasn't me too me too nothing would come out I think it was like 7, 8 okay I was 10 and it was I remember the out. I think it was like seven, eight. Okay, I was 10. And I remember the first time I came, it was like, you know when you see a pig eat from a little water bottle?

It's like, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep. Like the water comes out like, deep, deep, deep, deep. I don't. Is this a common thing? Like when you go to a petting zoo. You know when you check out a pig and it's just sucking down the water from the water bottle? What I mean was it came out like-

Why are these pigs having water bottles? Well, you literally know what I'm talking about, which is- I don't. I'm so scared. No, this is- You're talking about like a guinea pig's water bottle in a cage. I'm talking about a guinea pig's water bottle in a cage. You said pig. Well, I pictured a little pig in my mind, because I'm talking about going to the petting zoo, you whores.

Don't make it out to seem crazy. First of all, you're both whores and second of all is you know what i'm talking about which is at the petting zoo or if you need it to be this in a little cage that a guinea pig is in when that said guinea pig drinks out of the water that's what it was like when i came at age 10 okay thank you okay i i feel like yeah i i don't think anything was being created and I would just feel that sensation and I would do it all the time

because it felt good it felt good and then I would do this thing where like I would pull the blanket up to my chin so like any sort of activity

with my hands and my penis couldn't be detected you had a tent I had a tent right because I wasn't producing cum

it wasn't like a clean up situation and parents walking by and then one day I'm from Massachusetts it's 90 degrees humid and I have the blanket on and I'm watching and it's like a sexy

lifetime sort of thing like shirtless men on the beach I'm fully masturbating and my mom walks in she just looks at me and goes you're sick now to this day I don't know if she knew i was masturbating or if it was just like i'm gonna say she wouldn't just turn to her son you're sick but i thought maybe she thought like i was it was sick because i i i would say i'm cold jim Okay, so she could have thought you're sick

for having a blanket on you in 90 degree weather. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. She was just like, oh, you're sick. But she did say it pretty judgmental, so. Yeah, so it probably was that. That is literally, wow. I'm so happy to know that, because did you feel at the time

when you were like masturbating for the first time and doing it in the weird ways because you don't know exactly what to do? I used to hump the shit out of my pillows. Okay, I never got into that. I thought I was a freak. I wasn't a humper. Can I tell you my weird way of masturbating in the beginning?

We welcome that. Basically doing a mangina. Whoa, that sounds painful. And then fucking like pressing, like stimulating from the base. Whoa. Whoa. That was like my discovery.

Wait, so like putting your penis between your legs and rubbing like your. And then rub, but then the friction of your dick between your legs, like kind of like. Wow. But didn't it kind of hurt? Didn't it kind of hurt? Kind of hurt. And then it hurts your balls. And so then, you know, by the time I was like 13, I was like, okay, this is no longer tenable.

You're like, I'm done with this. I got to do it. I got to do it the right way that I've seen in porn that's interesting i've never heard of that so i didn't find out like how to actually jack off with the hand motion until i was like well into high school i was fucking my pillows and everything until i was old yeah an old that's interesting to me yeah i would be fucking the shit and i would i would be like the craziest thing was i'd be fucking these pillows and then one day I would come home and my mom would have changed the pillows. And I was like, she knows.

Do you think she knew? Yes. I mean. Can you confirm? Can you call her? Do you remember in Bridesmaids when Wendy McClendon Covey is like, I saw a towel the other day. I broke it in half. Yeah.

That was how my pillows were. Oh my God. Yeah. I was like a freak sick like a sick freak wow a freak i was a freak sick that title of a title of that freak sick um that's i'm so glad we're talking about that was vulnerable it's very vulnerable i gotta confess i in montreal in canada no so i must have been about nine or eight or nine um did it in class one time but yeah back when it was no cleanup,

it was just like had a jacket over me. Oh my God. That is brave. That's insane. Can you imagine if that, in today, if that happened and you were exposed and like,

you'd be expelled or something. Cast away. Yes. It would be like assault. You'd be Tom Hanks cast away. I mean, literally. You'd be Wilson. You'd be Wilson.

You'd be on for the ride. Floating in the damn water. Because you certainly wouldn't be the star, not with Tom Hanks in the movie. No way. It's actually rule of culture number 88. You can't be a star, not with Tom Hanks in the movie.

Okay, so that's a real world. And was that, no, Karamo was what? What city was Karamo? Oh, God. Was he in New York? I remember Karamo on The Real World. Do you remember?

I vaguely remember. Okay. They made it a huge deal that he was like a straight acting black guy who was gay. But Danny was the first one or no? Oh, maybe not the first because I think that...

Pedro was the first. Pedro was the first. But it wasn't on my radar yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just... He was this guy who was openly gay. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm like downplaying that.

I think I was probably like my first crush. Wow. You know? Yeah, yeah I guess I'm like downplaying that I think I was probably like my first crush wow you know well to see I think that it was kind of like I remember they blurred

out his boyfriend yep blurred out because he was in the military yep that literally happened so you watched 20 episodes

of like this man falling in love with a blurred face yeah and MTV's like you'll deal with it yeah and this is the gay narrative I remember everyone being like and it's so amazing they show this and MTV's like, you'll deal with it. Yeah. And this is the gay narrative.

I remember everyone being like, and it's so amazing they show this. And it's like, well, they show most of it. They show most of it. But I remember like, there was that thing of like,

whenever they put a gay character, character, person, or a lesbian on the show, it was like, I would be so enraptured with it because I don't know how you guys felt, or like, well, you didn't really watch Real World at the time. But for us, it was like i would i would be so enraptured with it because i don't know how you guys felt or like well you didn't really watch real world at the time but for us it was like there was no like gay men in media there was no representation so it was like i'm fascinated to

know what this real gay person thinks it feels because i don't know anyone and i don't see anyone all you knew is that it was bad yes when you were when you were called it, it was bad. Yeah. And you didn't want to be it. Yeah. Yeah. How old are you? I'm 34. 34. So then you were literally in like- What if I was like, I'm 31?

And then I was like, edit, edit, edit, go back. You have to edit that. I will tell you, I would leave it in. I'd be like, this motherfucker. I really hate when people lie on their age. It bothers me. Yeah. I get it. I don't get it. It bothers me. It's weird. I get it.

I don't get it. It perpetuates a bad culture. Aren't you proud that it's so hard? Especially because it's actors mostly. And now you're going to say you're 38. Can you imagine? I hate when people lie. But even being 34, I remember I went down to San Diego.

I don't even know what story I'm telling. You see people and you say their age, like if you're meet a guy or even anyone and you're like, like, Oh, I'm 34. Like, Oh,

well you don't seem it. And it's like, well, I was, I was born 34 years ago and every day, you know, I get a little bit like, I don't know.

It is weird. It's like, it's like, I think when people say a certain age, when people respond to it a certain way, weird it's like I think when people say a certain age when people respond to it a certain way it's like oh you consider that old

or like there's something in you that's like needs to respond to it to try to comfort me sure yes I was me and my

best friend went to San Diego for New Year's and we found ourselves at a random apartment complex with these guys that we met at the club and they were all 22, 23, 24.

That's, that's too young for me. That's a little too young. Yeah, they're out there. And they were so, like this one guy, he was 22. He was like so aggressive. Like he was so confident and we're sitting in a hot tub and he's like putting the moves on me and I felt so uncomfortable. I'm like.

How old are you this time? I'm 34. This was this year. Oh, this was this year. Yeah. Okay, okay. And he's like kind of talking. He's like, how old are you this time i'm 34 this was this oh this is this year yeah um and uh he's like kind of talking he's like how old are you i'm like uh 34 he's like that's not too old and i was like okay and i felt like i had nothing to talk to him about at one point i

literally was just like do you believe in god i asked him if he believed in god because i was like i don't know how to connect to him yeah no, no. Do you believe in God? It is crazy. It's so unsexy. I love it. And another thing about being in a relationship and then coming out of it is like, the last time you were single actually was two years ago. And it is a long time. And the landscape is different.

Oh, yeah. I got together with Henry at 25. We broke up when I was almost 28. And the way that the gay community treats a 25-year-old is so different from the way it treats a 28-year-old. Oh, who fucking cares? No, but I don't mean like sob story. I'm just meaning like the way they value age. Like when you see the number, the numerical on the grinder thing, it's like people are so horny for a 25-year-old.

When you're 28, you're like out with the maids they're so age obsessed stupid stupid what was i gonna say um oh i was gonna say that um this whole thing about have you guys seen visible on television on apple tv no it's this documentary series it's very good very and like well-reviewed documentary series on apple all about queer representation. And the first episode is all about like lavender square stuff. And, but that the first real gay person who was like heavily featured on television was Rosie O'Donnell, not Rosie O'Donnell,

Paul out in America. How disconnected I am. I wish you had not said with a question, but I wish you'd just been like Rosie O'Donnell. It was actually Rosie O'Donnell. It was Paul out from American family. There's like the very first reality show in like the sixties, seventies,

seventies. He was a gay character, gay person. It was the first reality first. Like, and it, and like the guy who, I forgot his name.

The guy who like started the real world is like, like took inspiration from American family. That's cool. This guy, Paul loud. I think his name is Paul Lind. started the real world took inspiration from American Family. Wow, that's cool. This guy, Paul Loud, I think his name is Paul. Paul Lind? No, no, no. Paul Lind was different.

Paul Lind was the comedian who was never out now. Which is so crazy. Who's the guy who did the Peter Pan, I mean the peanut butter commercials who was like so... Ooh, I don't know that. Okay.

Edit this out. Edit that part out there were always these like flamboyant ass characters on like fops on like shows

and it was always just like they came in said their lines and like blew out sure and now it's like there was no conversation about

what they did the second they left which is so funny to me they focused in this first episode because it goes in sort of like historical chronological order

and so this first episode focuses really a lot on Liberace, and you really forget he had an impact, and he was doing something that no one had ever seen before. We have weirdly a cultural debt to him, I think, as gay men. It's like he was really putting himself out there in a crazy, crazy way, wearing what he wore and saying what he said.

Yeah, but he also was in denial, in denial publicly about his sexuality. Of course. To, like, the bitter end. To the bitter end. Which is so crazy. Like, to think about the fact, like, when I saw Rocket Man or, like, and to think there was a time where he had to even pretend that he wasn't gay. And, like, like I said, like, in the grand clock of time,

like, it just hit the moment where we were able to be out. Like the fact that like fucking Adam Lambert was on American Idol and not out, he had to come out after publicly the show because it's crazy. That was like, we were in college when that was happening. Like we were like, it's just like, oh it's pretend that it's like easier it's like people that say that shit where it's like oh it's easier now to be a poci which i was a poci book more roles it's like girl you do not wish you were a poc you were a white person with a lot of privilege like you want to know something i learn a new lesson about racism and homophobia every week based on audience response to me seeing me on tv and they

lose their fucking minds yeah we're still i mean like i used to be like oh god who cares like like yeah yeah representation is great but like we're past it we're past like all this all this it's y'all it's it's still there like it's pretty crazy but the this whole paul out thing is so interesting because he was like this it was this really like liberal family. I don't know where they were out of, but it aired on PBS and like millions of people saw like this guy who was just like, yeah,

I don't know. Um, I'm gay. And, um, I don't really like hanging out with straight people. Like he was just like very like liberated in that way. And I'm like,

everyone saw that and they were like, they came to their own shitty conclusions about him but then like now you look back and it's like oh he was like so so so ahead of it like so great anyway but Strangers with Candy also gay representation also gay representation I mean yes Stephen Colbert

saying a faggot in the first episode a bitch and like we let him we let him we allow that yeah it's like I did not know that that was a thing oh it's a faggy he says faggy right I can't remember that but he's I think he says it throughout the show there's some stuff

there's some stuff you're like oh this I don't think could hold no way at all no way but you watch in context with like the period it came out and like it's bad of course it's bad it's offensive but like I you kind of have to laugh at like how period it came out and like it's bad. Of course it's bad. It's offensive. But like I, you kind of have to laugh at like how ridiculous it is. Because this is what Stephen Colbert says.

All right, your homework is to do that, is to write a paper on this, this, this, and don't make it too. And he writes on the chalkboard in giant cursive, faggy.

It's so funny. It's so funny. It's just, that is so funny. And the fact of the matter is like you would I feel like if you're like

someone putting that on television like we talked about this with Chris and Sarah when they when Caperland says gagging for you faggot like that was something

they had to go back and forth with Comedy Central about like whether or not like they could just say the word faggot in the clear and it's because it's so triggering to people and I will say just say the word faggot in the clear.

And it's because it's so triggering to people. And I will say, we use the word faggot to describe ourselves and our friends, whatever, because I think it's fine. But we constantly get feedback on this podcast every now and then that people are really uncomfortable with the use of the word faggot. And then you forget that like not everyone has gotten to like move away from their home where it's like they have friends who say that to each other a lot

of people still exist in a world like like i was thinking before like people around our age exist in a world or grew up in a world where like eminem was the most popular musical star and was saying faggot in a negative way and a derogatory way and like a dangerous, violent way for so many years. And then everyone was singing it around us because it was pop music. So it's like weird to think about. It's weird to think about. So it does like I get defensive when people are like, don't say faggot. But then I'm like and I'm like, what are you talking about?

Like, this is crazy. You're policing language. And also we're reclaiming it. But then you'm like, what are you talking about? This is crazy. You're policing language and also we're reclaiming it. But then you do remember. You do remember that it's different context for different people. For sure, it could be triggering for some people. I think it's funny. I think it's hilarious.

I'm hearing other people say it about me. Can I get in on it? It'll take some of the power away, I feel. Totally. People get a little visual with me too when they have problems with it. in on it and just yeah yeah it'll take some of the power away i've i feel but totally um people get a little visual with me too when they when they have problems with it and again i'm not calling anyone out but it's like i've gotten messages that are like you have no idea what it's like to like get hit in the face and hear that word and it's like wow i'm like so sorry that happened to you yeah but you also don't know that i haven't had that experience you don't know

that i haven't had other experiences it's like I feel bad that people have trauma about the word. And like of course we do. We all literally at this table have been called it in a negative derogatory way before. But it's like not everyone is at the same place as you about it. So it's like interesting to think about it being used in media. And the fact that like probably no one said shit when Stephen Colbert said it out loud and spelt it. Because it is funny. In that context, it's very funny. Yes, in that context, it's very funny.

God, what a good show. Paul Dinello. Hot, hot. I thought you were talking about this show. This show, what a great show. I literally was thinking to myself, did I bring the mood down? No!

Because I told these guys I was listening to Cole Escola, and I was dying. Listening to him talk about Tinder Gold, the guy he met in London and took him to Paris. What a crazy life. Are you meeting? Well, you're in a relationship now, right? But it's interesting to talk about the openness of it all. I he'd be okay with me sharing this i'm going to share it but we are open newly because he's uh um in a different part of the country like working and so i think that it's just so crazy because i'm in a healthy relationship now and i don't have to

have that thing that i think maybe i had in the last relationship or your boyfriend how where it's like no i'm gonna pretend it's fine i want the relationship I'm gonna pretend it's healthy I don't have that at all because and I'm never scared to tell him the truth and I think that's that's red flag number one if you're in a relationship that's like trying something and you're not comfortable with it but you're scared to say something girl you got to get out of that because you have that healthy communication i mean that's intimacy that's like exactly talking about it and bone are you dating anyone right now no nobody are you seeing people i i went you guys i just got back in the game wow i've been on three dates

with one guy and how have they got one two different guys oh well technically four dates with three different guys and one and the first guy, I did not realize this was a date. And I was like, I thought it was. Damn it. Whenever people say that to me, I'm like, huh, that's interesting. We're two gay men who made a point. Pick up on the vibe. Who wouldn't ordinarily hang out if it wasn't a date.

You know what I mean? But we had hung out as friends a little bit. Oh, okay. Yeah. But yeah, and, but yeah, this one,

two different guys. Oh, do you need to take a break? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. I'm just engaging and listening. Go. I'm such a people pleaser. I'm like,

should we end the show early just because it's not going great? Thank you guys so much. Shut up. I, yeah, I went, yeah, these I, yeah, I went, yeah,

these two different guys, I went on like, just, I'm taking it super slow. I really feel like, speaking not to be like, I'm so triggered by my trauma, but like,

stuff that I didn't expect to affect me, affect me so hardcore, after the breakup, like even being at the gym sometimes. Really? Like I was like, I feel so uncomfortable. I feel like i was like i i feel so uncomfortable i feel like there's like sexual energy here and i have to get out of this and i

consider myself like i came up as much through the club scene as i did the comedy scene yeah working in bars ever since i was 18 and i felt like these are my people and and after that experience i was just i don't know set like sex in general i was like so freaked out wow yeah and it's weird well it is triggering i remember like it's once once once it's a hang-up in your relationship it will be a hang-up afterwards because you'll be thinking so yeah absolutely i still don't want that i mean well it's but i know that you're right that it's like i'll have to work through it well at least what I can tell you is that it does get, it goes away. Like it gets better because like now that you have had this be a thing, like you will know what to look for in your next relationship, whether that's a boyfriend relationship or just someone that you mess around with or someone that's like you try something with and then it becomes a friend.

You know what you don't want, which is, which is powerful and helpful. Yeah. And its own guiding force. And I also feel like you don't need to have relationships to know what you don't want which is which is powerful and helpful yeah and its own guiding force and i also feel like you don't need to have relationships to know what you don't want and like like like i feel like you've dated a lot of people for like short periods of time and it's like i feel like you're you can almost be thankful sometimes that that's the case because it's like well at least i didn't have to really really really invest in this that's something that i'm like that was very hard about breaking up with henry it was like i was

like invested in it for years and you they meet your family and you meet their family and then like you become friends with each other and then it's like you said you're scared to go places because you're triggered it's like there's upsides and downsides to both but it's it's um really hard to move on it's hard you'll do it yeah i think i already feel so much like i'm in the right direction but it was so hard to i just keep replaying the scenario keep thinking about my ex really regretting how i behaved because that's not like me that's not how i want to be in the world. And then thinking, should I reach out?

And then ultimately it was like, this is just like the chapters closed. And it was like a very painful ending. But you did get to end it like with an iconic window smash. I guess it was. It is iconic to Vandalize the Vehicle. And I said, this is just the beginning.

Like how fucking insane. No, I Vehicle. And I said, this is just the beginning. Like, how fucking insane. No, I love that. A villain. But my friends, like, because I was in a really bad place for, like, such a long time. And so my friends, we would have this text chain. And everyone was, like, they were, like, babysitting me. Like, they would come over and take me out. And I would just say the same goddamn thing over and over again.

And they would, like, text me, like, this is just the beginning. Like, they would mess with me. You created iconography. And that's really all we ever want to do. Yeah. This is just the beginning. Oh would mess with me you created iconography and that's really all we ever want to do this is just the beginning oh my god title of app

this can be off the record but there is a scene where I'm in an audition and Heidi Gardner is going to play a Julie Ashton character wait who's Julie Ashton a casting director

oh got it and she like cause I basically do an audition cause it was based off I had an audition with a puppet and it was like

in a deep depression and I'm talking about my breakup and then I'm doing like a weird voice but there is this scene Bowen if you're in LA you'll have to be in this

make a cameo this film you'll have to make a cameo and I'm with all these gay guys we all audition for the same thing and I'm like

holding court and everyone's chiming in about this or you shouldn't do this or blah blah blah so that's oh that's great

I love that already I love that that is such a real thing it's like every room I go into here it's like I look at the list and I'm like oh my friends all left already

it's like every time I go to an audition it's like oh Brandon Scott Jones was here at 12 I'm at 2 yes it's kind of nice

I see Brandon Scannell on a lot of lists of course he's so sweet the best guy the best Scannell on a lot of lists. Of course. He's so sweet. The best guy. The best boy. The best guy.

One of the best boys. I shouldn't call him a boy. I should not call him a boy. Just as long as you call her. That's what Rue says. I don't care what you call me as long as you call me. But then the dates, it sounds like four dates for three guys, it sounds like one of them, at least one of them is successful. Yeah, there's this one guy and he's hilarious.

Do you guys like funny guys? Yes, I love funny guys. Yeah. Why? Not comedian wise necessarily, but guys that, I mean, my boyfriend makes me laugh so hard. I think my boyfriend makes me laugh.

I'm honest. I think there's something like weird, like I'm drawn to guys who aren't that funny. I've dated a series of guys where there isn't that emotional click there isn't yeah i've dated guys like that for years why because sex is good yes sometimes sometimes like there's this weird bond sometimes i think it's unhealthy like i'll just you know best like relationships, they're like your best friend. And I think I've tricked myself into being like, oh, I'm very attracted to this person. And I'm just like kind of like abandoning all these wants I have in a relationship.

You prioritize that. It's embarrassing to admit that like in a relationship, I'm not dating people that I click with emotionally. But somewhere along the line, I think I just am like, well, it looks good on paper. Yep. You know, it's so arbitrary that like there's no,

there, there's no like stat card that like tells you like, well, like, you know, you're compatible in this way and that like it's you, you learn it all like over time. It's so trial and error.

Yeah. Like you're like, okay. I, and that's what they say. Like dating, it's you're collecting information information like sometimes it feels bizarre to be like i'm hanging out with this human i don't know them i'm seeing if maybe there's like a chance for it is weird it's weird it's like a super long interview and then it feels so sad when it doesn't work out but

it's like great now you're one step closer to finding if you want a partnership sure you're closer to that and also it's like you had all these great memories yeah i think that with the dating of it all it's like in i feel like in my early 20s early my mid-20s before i was ever in a relationship the way i treated dating was like pretty unhealthy because i would go out on a date with someone and i'd be like well it's a success if I fuck them. Or if we hook up, it's like a success. So oftentimes I would not be feeling it, but I would be like, well, it'll at least be a success if I hook up, because I just wasn't very much. And I also think because gay people

didn't get a chance to date in high school or middle school, it's, you do all these weird things and make weird rationalizations like that in your 20s and late 20s and 30s and sometimes, you know, even later than that

because we're stunted growth because like I said, in the ground clock, et cetera, it's only been recent that we're allowed to feel these things at the same rate

as straight people. I feel that, I feel, for me, it manifests in going too quickly. Like, you know, like in middle me, it manifests in going too quickly. Like,

you know, like in, in middle school, it's like a boy and girl like each other and they're like, they're together. You know, like that. I feel like as I relate to that, like it's happening so fast,

we barely know each other. And then it's like so much time spent together and kind of unhealthy bond. Yeah. Well, well, I'm a lot of fun guys, I guess, I guess if you're listening to this and I'm not in a relationship guys I guess if you're listening to this

and I'm not in a relationship I mean you know what I'm looking for there's two single men here and then one spoken for guy who's open yes you need to treat me really

special same goes for all of us you don't have to treat me at all you can treat me really special. Same goes for all of us. Same goes for all of us. You don't have to treat me at all. You can treat me like shit. I like it. Are you like on Grindr and stuff? No, I can't. It's just too much stimulus.

I'm literally like going on the most innocent like hikes and coffee. Oh, that's great. Yeah, no, I think it's good for me. I think like I'm just trying not to, because I also get attached if I, like, hook up with someone too soon. So I have to kind of just, but, I mean, I honestly, I wouldn't be against having, like, a fling and whatever. But I think where just coming out of what I just came out of,

I just feel like I want to just take care of myself, make sure I'm not, you know. But, yeah, this one guy I've gone on a couple of dates he's just really smart and super funny and like nice but a lot of times things that are red flags for other people feel comforting to me like when people are um too they act they move too fast like i'm like that's good because you like me i feel like yes i like to go back to the guy i dated in a rehab for a second time in this one hour podcast i he was like i can't stop thinking about you whoa i've had to talk to my sponsor about it and and in my mind it's like and you're, this is the horniest thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, I'm like, I feel safe. Because I think I have abandonment, or I know now from going to therapy, I have abandonment issues. So I'm looking for someone who comes in really hot and heavy. But the reality is, when people come at you like that,

it's really not about you or your connection. A lot of times it's like, they're, you know know they're weird bonding they're trying to escape from some circumstance and they see you and they're like oh let me yeah let me that's that's an opening yeah and i found it's easy come easy go like if people come in hot and heavy like they will be the first to bounce out but doesn't that suck though like because you think that those are the things that like are the genuine connections. Like, that's what I'm still getting over

is this like one moment where I was like, the sparks damn flew. Yeah. And, and then it was easy go. And then I was just like, but wait a minute,

that was supposed to be like, the keeper. And the thing that sucks about things like that too is it's like, but didn't you feel this thing? It's like, it's like you feel crazy when, I had thing? It's like, you feel crazy when, I had a guy treat me very,

very badly. Who was it? No, I will not. First and last name. Because this person treated me so badly. And, God, where was I going with this?

I can't even believe that you're still talking. It's just kind of this thing of like, Can I know what happened that was so bad? Yeah, I mean, basically it was just back and forth of like, it was months and months of back and forth taylor's um no it was like we had hooked up one time and it was like it felt like special and we did it like all day and like and like this was like years ago and then we would keep in touch over the years like and it was like

this thing and then i came to the same city as him and it was like we reconnected really hard and i thought it was gonna be a thing and he told me all these things and eventually like i realized that he was not the kind of person that could follow up and do the kind of things and like be the kind of person i thought he could and it was just such a shock shock because it's so hard to admit that you like allowed yourself to get got in that way because the feelings feel so real to you and and you're like but you said all these things and then you realize like there are some guys out there who will say whatever it takes to get what they want and there's some guys out there who will do whatever needs to be done to make themselves feel excited and entertain themselves.

Not everyone treats each other well. So I think it's good that you're taking it slow because you know you're someone who, if you let yourself, get hurt, which is a useful thing to know about yourself. Yeah. which is a useful thing to know about yourself. Yeah, to your point, Bowen, about isn't it sad about the spark? I do think that there can be that genuine connection and that excitement and it's easy

and you want to see them all the time. I just think there's also that flip side where it's a little bit of an unhealthy attachment. So it's just protecting yourself from that unhealthy attachment you know so it's like just protecting yourself from that but I am kind of romantic I do think

no that's I think that's what it is that's where it comes from for me I'm just like this feels so yeah you're romantic what's your trap like what's your thing

that will like trap you by the way if this is too personal no I'm just I love we can't get personal I love talking about this what's my

honestly when you're it's like this rehab guy who's just like, I can't stop thinking about you. Rarely has ever happened. Crack. Crack. Yep. It's so cool. Yeah, it is.

It's fun. And they do. And it's like that thing. They have like that obsession or whatever in that moment. And you feel like the most important person. And it feels so good. And then when you're attracted to them and they're hot. Well, it has to match.

I have to like meet them at the – it has to be like – I've gotten it too where I'm just like, oh, no. Just don't do this. Like someone who's just like, I'm so into you. And I'm like, I can't quite get that back. Because you're not feeling it back. Right. And then I'm pretty – I hope i'm pretty clear about that um that's cool honestly like it's so nice when people are just like hey like i'm not yeah i could i could be better i could be better but anyway that's yeah that's my that's yeah hot and heavy i feel you they'll get you these i mean like i remember

like the line that there should be a name for them those types of people I mean they're called fuckboys I know because that's because essentially what they're trying to do I feel like gays need their own version of fuckboys well here's the thing

especially in real culture gay men can be fuckboys too it's real culture number 47 gay men can be fuckboys too and the fact of the matter is like I had this guy said to me like you would never move here because he moved in la and

i was in new york at the time and then i was like oh he really wants me to live there and then he was like i would come to new york just to see you and i was like oh he would he would fly to new york just to see me and so then three weeks later i did fly to la just to see him and he ignored me all week you have to be kidding me no it was like sick that it's crazy because like me you guys can be so mean to each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, just be honest with me. And then months later, I finally confronted the person and it was like, they realized

that it was fucked up, but I was just like, you know, like it's too late. I'm already hurt. Yeah. And now it's like we can try to move forward and I have tried to move forward, but to varying degrees of success. Like once you've hurt someone, you've hurt someone. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I feel like if you're just straightforward, you're pretty good. Like if you're just like, and to go back to my ex for one final time in this podcast, like had he just said, we opened it up, I'm connecting to this person and it's getting out of, you know, it's developing.

Like I feel like I would have been, and maybe it's easy to say it now, but I feel like I would have, because I came to him and I was like, what's the deal? It feels like you guys are texting a lot and he's like, I don't like him. And so when they were together, I was like, I literally was like Aaron Brockovich, like saying names and phone numbers and dates. I was insane. I tell my friends the image I get. It's like, I'm this screaming woman in a burning building trying to guilt people and everyone's running from the building. Like it's done.

Yeah. And that was, it was so hard to let go, but yeah. It's so hard because it's a long relationship. That's a long relationship. The claws are in but listen i think that we can all say that as a result of this conversation we've all moved forward from anyone that's hurt us in the past and we actually don't care and um we're like do a lipa in that song new rules because here's the rules one don't don't pick up the phone you know he's only calling because he's drunk and alone two don't let him in you'll have to kick him out again

three don't be his friend you know you're going to wake up in his bed in the morning and if you're under him you ain't getting over him if you're under him you ain't getting over him I got new rules I got them you've never experienced those lyrics until you've heard it like that

it's actually poetry it's that. That was great. It's actually poetry. It's so powerful. I was listening to that song today because I've rediscovered Dua in such a way because she's got new music out now, banging new music. You discovered Dua in such a way.

Well, because she's been preparing for her return and we've been living for her. But the song New Rules is so good. It's incredible. It's so good. Do you know it? No, I don't don't and i'm like this is my biggest fear because i listened to benito's yeah yeah i love just you guys did it but it was amazing and he's so hilarious i love him and you guys went this deep dive in music and i was like oh my god i was like i know nothing about this i'm literally gonna be like no on the show

being like did anybody watch cheer she still hasn't i slept in bone bone did you like it have you talked about at the pod we've talked about on the pod we filled each other and he filled me on the circle i filled him on cheer i love cheer i thought it was great yeah i fantastic morgan was like so i was a morgan i'm a morgan girl morgan was my like yes that like arc where she you knew she was so captivated by monica because monica was a mom she never had this treat it gave her attention yeah and respect and the amount of respect yeah they all have for her they and she respects them and she shows like it's like they she shows up for them yeah and it was really cool to see and of course she's

you know you hear about her if i didn't watch the show you might think she's this over-the-top personality and whatever monica no yeah no not at all but the way i feel about her is that it just shows that she's just she who she is when she said the thing about don't come for my boys about game i know I loved that did you guys already talk about that we did not talk about that she's kind of doing her

kind of confessional as she's driving yes and they finally there's so many diverse people there's so many people in the LGBT family

in on that team and it's kind of random because they're in the middle of nowhere and then she even says she's like I lean conservative she leans And then she even says, she's like, I lean conservative. She leans conservative and yet she's

like, I had a long conversation with my pastor, many conversations with my pastor about it talking about being gay and she's just like, don't come for my boys. She goes, those are my boys. Don't come for them. That's powerful. And I

was thinking of all the times I've seen people put gay people down all the times in my life and she's sitting there and she's like don't you dare and it was like

alright and she has power in that situation where everyone in this community respects her now like the whole country

slash world knows about her it's like she like kind of used to that in a very smart way where she was like you guys,

this is like not the way, the right way to go about this. Yeah. Um, I loved it. Oh my God. I'm so glad. You gotta watch it.

I gotta watch it. I gotta get over myself and watch it. You gotta get it. I do this weird thing where when everyone says they love something, it takes me months. Parasite. I didn't watch Paris until last week. Oh my God.

And then I, and then he was so incredible. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's amazing. I just, I just,

something happens to me where I'm like, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. And then I was obsessed with it. It's so incredible. Yeah, I mean, it's amazing. I just, I just, something happens to me where I'm like, I'll get to it, I'll get to it. And then I see these weird things that everyone kind of likes like three times. Like I saw,

I saw Bombshell three times and I saw Knives Out three times. Knives Out was good. I saw Little Women three times. These are all, these are all good things but it's like, my thing is like,

I find something I like and I watch and listen to it repeatedly and don't do anything else like when there's a new album that comes out I'll listen to the single and only that like I'm afraid

to listen to the rest of the album it's really weird it's a sick disease sick disease but you just you're like that type you're obsessive and you just love what you love

I'm just like that type I'm obsessive and I love what I love you're focused and I'm focused and that type. I'm obsessive and I love what I love. You're focused. And I'm focused and I'm okay. Side note about Paris. I just mentioned my breakup for the third time in the podcast. It's actually four.

Is it? Sick disease. I'm obsessed. No, keep going. No, yeah. I would, the most disturbing things would soothe me. In that movie? Yeah.

Just during that time in my life because it came out when i was like honestly all i could do was sit there and i was like i was just like felt like i had been hit by a bus yeah it's like it's grieving it's it's horrible physical experience and and it was funny too just to like show that i i went to um josh Joshua Tree to try to shake the experience. And I'm like, I'm starting over. And I found myself at a pizza place talking to two women I didn't know about my breakup. And they just listened. They were so sweet.

And then the woman's like, you know, I know what you're going through. Because when I had cancer last year and I was in the military and I actually lost my job. And it was really hard because it all culminated in a breakup. So I was lost my job and it was really hard because during it all culminated in a breakup so I was losing my house and she's and she's not trying to make me feel bad she's trying to connect and I'm like I'm talking about an open relationship that was on the rocks ending and I'm like this changed me forever and she casually mentions her cancer and her and everything and I was like oh my god I'm so embarrassed I've been talking your ear off for 30 minutes about this breakup and you went through so much and she's like no but pain is pain and it's and it was and then she was like but also i drowned last year

i forgot to say oh my god oh my god pain is pain anyways i saw parasite when i was really like depressed and i found it comforting that's's so funny. That movie gets really tough to watch at the end in terms of what happens to them. Yeah, it's brilliant. Brilliant, amazing. I think it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. It's actually time. I've actually been afraid of this.

Why? I'm going to wing it. Yeah, wing it. You should wing it. We're going to wing it right now. We're wingers. So Matt, tell everyone what I Don't Think So Honey is. Well, just in case you didn't know what I Don't Think So Honey is,

I'll tell you what it is now which is our one minute segment where we take a minute to rant to get something in pop culture that is kind of like making us feel i don't know not so good no and we want to talk about it in a negative way but cathartic way for a minute yes and we do that energetically energetically do you have something i have i do have something can you also talk about something non-phobic? Yeah. It's anything in like culture. In your world.

Anything in the world. I mean you'll hear ours and you'll be like okay that's a free for all. Very silly. Okay so you want to go first? Yes. This is Matt Rogers

I don't think Sony's time starts now. I don't think so honey. Quibi doubters. Okay honey. I know you like to make your jokes. I know some people

out there like to make jokes. But my thing right now is that I have a show on Quibi, and you all have to download it or I'm going to be mad. And I think you should doubt it. You should not doubt it. No, I think you should not doubt it. You should download it because there's going to be good shit on it, like Game Show, my show with Dave Mazzoni,

which is launching with Quibi on April 6th, and has lots of amazing guest stars like Bowen Yang. I think there's also going to be lots of good shit on there, like Chrissy Teigen's show, Chrissy's Court. Lots of good shit on there, like Steven Spielberg has a thing that's coming out. And you should just look at the roster of talent involved, and you'll like it.

Quibi doubters, I don't want to hear any more jokes about quibi because it's important to me that it goes well however i do understand that tweeting jokes also gets the name quibi in everyone's minds so continue to tweet continue to talk talk your talk do your thing but you can never book my shine and that's one minute. There you go. With a David Mazzone shout out. Yeah, David Mazzone shout out. And you know Dave from the Diversity Showcase. He was so funny.

Angel. He loves you. He described that he had the Omarosa storyline. Yes. He said he had the Omarosa storyline of CBS Diversity Showcase and that he wasn't there, but when he would come in, he felt like no one liked him because he was working on a game show

and like he would have to miss a lot of rehearsals and so he had he was like a shady character in the beginning and then was beloved by the end

wow we love that that's such a good arc I love that it's a good arc he loves you oh I think he's really funny yeah

he said you know who gets it Jimmy Fallon I'm like he does get it and then I said we had a lunch. And he talked about the lunch. And not Aladdin. You did not reveal.

Well, the thing is, Aladdin was so boring that I blocked it out. I'm sorry, Aladdin. I remembered it. It doesn't stick. OK. I will not remain speechless. Bowen Yang, here's the thing about you. It's your I Don't Think So Honey on this, the episode with

Jimmy Fallon. And your time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey cool party hotels. Like, make hotels what they're supposed to be, which is where people go to sleep at night and not have a pool situation or a roof situation.

Stop trying to make hotels cool. They're not. I remember when hotels, the pinnacle of hotels, were damn best Westerns, Hiltons, and you got what you paid for. No frills, no muss, no fuss. Okay?

And now you got your standards and your Gans of Orcs. 30 seconds. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. If you throw a party at a hotel, I will lose respect for you, darling. And you better throw your birthday party at a bowling alley.

Bring me back to the days of modest birthday parties without having some dimly lit bar with fucking rat, rattan, and wicker bullshit all around. Let's go back to basics. You've got to go to a site-specific birthday party that is not a hotel because who are you fooling? No one's sleeping there. No one's drinking there. It's in between worlds. And that's one minute. I'm actually very happy about that.

Yeah, like these really cool hotels. Like, you know Yotel in New York? Like, are these psycho hotels? I'm like, this is kind of amazing but I feel like I can't touch anything. It's just all so weird, and it's like, where did these people come from? I also want to say, no frills, no muss, no fuss.

That's actually roller coaster number... 25. 25. No frills, no muss, no fuss. And my favorite birthday I ever had was at a roller skating rink, and I think the community should do that more let's do that more

there is a roller have you ever been to my boyfriend and Brendan they go a lot the LA gays are very good at the roller skating culture

where is it can you plug it it's in Glendale it's in Glendale I think it's called Moonlight Roller Derby it's so fun they actually even have

a gay night fun we should go we should go we should go Wednesday okay it's Wednesdays right it's happening next time I'm here on Wednesday even have a gay night. Fun. We should go. We should go. Wednesday. Okay. It's Wednesdays, right? It's happening.

Next time I'm here on Wednesday. But in New York, over the summers, people in Prospect Park, gay nights. Skating. Josh Sharp and I went to Beyonce night last year in Prospect Park. All the gays were out. It was so fun. That is so fun. Everyone knows how to roller skate. Well, I blade. I was a blader as a kid.

Yeah, I was a big blader that was me i was walking yeah yeah i was walking good enough yeah i could never figure out like uh skateboards either i i just oh yeah it's terrifying i tried to skateboard in college like at the you know and that's yeah you're you're it's past your right now i wiped out pretty bad and i was yeah yeah no i mean it's not for us. Skateboards are straight culture. It's actually roller culture number 21. Skateboards are straight culture.

Skateboards are straight culture. They should be called straight boards. OK. Now I think it's time for Jimmy Fallon's I Don't Think So, Honey. And it actually is time. And Jimmy, your time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. My sister who forgot my grandma died twice honey i told you about her passing over the phone on christmas okay you cried on the phone of course it was a sad day

six months later when we grabbed lunch in la with our aunt you said i really miss mark i want to meet his kids i miss grandma fowleyley. To which we said, she passed. And you said, no one told me. And I said, I told you. Six months after that, a Christmas card with $20 from Grandma Fowley was circulated to you from dad saying, this is obviously the last card from Grandma Fowley. And you called me and said, well, that was kind of shady that dad said that

because it's implying that she may die soon. And I said, honey, she died. This is truly the third time I've told you. You need to remember this stuff. You are a drug addict. I love you, honey. No. That's what I'm saying.

You are a drug addict. I love you, honey. No. That's what I'm saying. You are a drug addict. I love you, honey. No. That's a little culture number 80. It's true. You are a drug addict. I love you, honey. No.

Wait a minute. On Christmas Day. Oh my God. She's an icon. You told her on Christmas Day that she had passed away? I told, it was a few days, I think, before or after Christmas. I was home. Yes.

And she was away. She was back in LA. Because you have a fucking holiday anchoring the damn memory of oh Grandma Fowley passed away. It was haunting. I was like this is scary. Because it really was me each time saying and she said no one

told me. My favorite part is the third time where she received a card and the dad said this is obviously the last card from Grandma No one told me. Wait, my favorite part is the third time where she received a card. That's rude. And the dad said, this is obviously the last card from Grandma Fowley. And she said, it's actually shady that he's implying she might have. She's been dead for a calendar year.

I couldn't believe it. She's like, obviously implying that she's got a policy. Like she's so righteous. Yeah. And she's like, come on to this theory that I have why would he imply this Christina Fowley

Christina oh my god you are out of your god damn mind listen to this I don't even think you get reception to podcasts

at your house reception why would he imply this that's so funny oh my god that is so good Grandma Fowley oh no

well rest in peace rest in peace and we respect and we love and we that is so good grandma Fowley oh no well rest in peace rest in peace and we respect and we love and we remember and we love grandma Fowley and good oh she never

my grandparents never sent money I know yeah but they were in a different country yeah actually no

they gave me plenty of money just Chinese New Year in their red envelopes they gave me oh that's nice there you go this was a fantastic episode

thank you guys for having me we had the best time i love you guys you are out of control hilarious spelled however you want to h-e-l-a-r-e-o-s you really do and like your friend like not to be too corny but like your friendship your back and forth like it's just it's awesome and i love that you guys do what you do i'm such a huge fan of you guys we've been admiring and loving you from afar for the longest time.

You truly are the funniest. I feel like we never really got to meet and hang out because of being in different cities, but I'm so excited we're in the same city now and I wish we would hang out more. We have to. Okay, you hear it here. You heard it here right now.

And actually, if you don't see me and Jimmy hanging out together, just know that- Guilt us. Guilt us. Or just know that intense drama happened right after we wrapped. And actually, if you ask me about it, I'll tell you. Yes, Matt will give you everything. I will spill all the tea.

Come on. But for now, until then, we do end every episode with a song. And that song is Drop everything now Meet me in the pouring rain. Kiss me on the sidewalk. Take away the pain. Cause I

see sparks fly. If ever you stop Ah Remember when I just said, and I see Never used to. Remember when I just said, and I see Sparks Fly, I said, I fee Sparks Fly. Guys. I fee.

I fee Sparks Fly. We love you. Bye. Bye. Wow. Hey, guys. It's me, Matt Rogers, again. Just wondering if you've pre-ordered Quibi yet. Just as a little reminder, Game Show, my show that I created with Dave Mazzoni,

is premiering on April 6th on Quibi. Two straight men competing on each episode to be called gay as fuck and earn the title of Queen of the Straits. Who will win? What are the shenanigans we put them through? Does anything that happens matter? All these questions and more answered only on Game Show on Quibi. April 6th,

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