Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "From Womankind, Thank You" (w/ Eva Victor)

Episode Date: August 7, 2019

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Oh, I see. Wow. Look over there. Is, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.

I love you. I love you. We have to set a tone of everyone telling each other that they love each other. And for what reason? What's the function? There's a lot of hate in the world. Yes. And we have to drive that out with the love.

Ooh. Come on, Marianne. Come on, Marianne. Oh, this is kind of hate in the world. Yes. And we have to drive that out with the love. Come on, Marianne. Come on, Marianne. Oh, this is kind of a cultural news story. I mean, at the time of recording, do you see Alyssa Milano going to Marianne's fundraiser? Yeah, it was actually recently. And friend of the pod, Ira Madison III was there.

So I got some of the tea from her. Can we know about the tea? You can hear some of the guest list her can we can we know about the tea you can hear some of the guests what did miss ira oh please marsha cross no it was no it was just stop it was hosted by laura dern are you kidding me i am not kidding you said you said marsha cross and i was like i mean how can it go there's nowhere to go from there. Well, famously, Laura Dern and Mary- I know, I know, but yeah. We're roommates. For people that don't know at home, they were roommates.

But for a while, there was a little brief period of a couple weeks where people were like, it could have been a contentious thing, where they were roommates and it was a bad situation, and now they no longer speak to each other. Well, due to the fact that she- Due to the fact that she be hosting fundraisers for Miss Marianne Williamson, author.

They're on great terms. They must be. And who else? Who else? I could find it, but those are the heavy hitters. Okay, where are you at now with the Marianne stuff? Because truly, I mean, we recorded an episode like the day after those debates and we were all like, oh my God, LOL, isn't she so fun? Well, she ain't in last place.

She ain't in last place. Let's just say that. She's certainly in 16th place. She posted an Evangelion meme, and that was when, with a fucking Evangelion meme, this anime, with some wild,

wacky, wacky, wacky, woo-woo thing about late capitalism and how it should lead to love or whatever. Some wild thing and I was like, this is too much and I'm out.

Sorry. No, I mean, yeah, we're out, but like, we're not mad. We're not mad. I'm saying, I was in and engaged

as far. As far as like, as far as like, we're entertained by it. Yes. And then now you were like, this is scary. Well, Sudi,

I talked to Sudi about it and she was like, I think this makes us look stupid. And I was like, I do. Our side looks stupid. I do. I do get that perspective. And of course,

like it is funny, like that she said, go from US on and all that. I mean, it's a funny thing. How far it could go is a question I ask, which is a scary question that maybe with a scary answer, which she won't be the nominee,

but come on. Um, but I will say, um, Alyssa Milano did tweet about it. She's like, I'm going, I'm going to my first fundraiser of the season.

And it's Marianne Williamson. I know, I know. She literally said, I know, I know, but she's the only one talking about like how the soul of America is hurting. Sure.

And I was like, sure. I don't know what that means, honey. Our guest just fluttered her hands in like a panic. And I feel that. I feel that. I mean, come on. Are there other guests?

Are there other guests at the fundraiser? I couldn't rattle them off, but just suffice it to say. Marsha. That's what you're getting. You're getting the Marsha Cross of it all. At a Marianne Williamson fundraiser. I think. How do you feel?

I feel like Marsha Cross had been wronged by this industry. I mean, yes, actually. Do you know, Marsha Cross, the last I saw her, she was on morning news shows talking about, she actually had rectal cancer. I know, I heard about that. And she was out of commission for a little while to deal with the rectal cancer.

And she very bravely, I think little while to deal with the rectal cancer. Wow. And she very bravely, I think, was like speaking out about the rectal cancer because, you know, that's uncomfortable to talk about. And obviously, there's going to be a ton of stigma with something like that. Yes, yes. But I would, well, okay. I'll just say right now, I have been dealing in my family with someone who's recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. Please get checked.

You know what I mean? This is something that and and just be going to the doctor um and just know that this is you don't have to feel ashamed about that kind of thing like it's it what's shameful is if you end up getting really sick or going because you didn't say anything or didn't do anything because it's a pride thing like i get it it's your it's your fucking butthole or it's your you know they're your breasts or whatever but you got you have to take care of yourself um yeah that has to do with like whatever stigmatizing anatomy which is like so fun it

just makes no sense i'm just saying like you know the fact the fact that i know yeah i thought that it even was a discussion with this marsha cross thing of like so brave of you the stigma yes it is it's also like deeply deeply deeply like your health and you you have to put your health first and honestly i was actually really really um moved that she was so forward about this like and and and you know went out there and speak because when do you hear about people in the public eye discussing the kind of cancer like that? You know what I mean? It does raise awareness and it helps people. So who knew we'd get here

from Marianne Williams? Now I know you... I don't know if we've had this discussion, but we've talked about Desperate Housewives so much and I know you're a Longoria head, but I think my favorite character out of the four is Brie and I think Marcia Cross did such good work.

They did Marcia Cross by not giving her the Emmy. I know. That year that Felicity won the Emmy, that was Marcia Cross's Emmy. God, you know what scene I think about constantly, and I've quoted it on the podcast before, but remember the whole Andrew coming out plot line in season two?

The only good plot line from season two was Andrew, and it's fucked up. Remember when Andrew fucks her boyfriend? Yes. Oh, I know what you're going to do. But where she throws the wine. She is not allowing Andrew to be emancipated or whatever. And she's dumping out bottles of wine because she's about to go to AA.

And she's being very proud of like, I'm going to go to AA. And it's going to be fun. And whatever. I'm making this work. She's dumping out bottles. And then Andrew, at one point, they get into some fight. And then Andrew calls, says, you're a stone cold bitch. You know that?

And then, I've done this before on the podcast, but I need to do it again. She throws a bottle of wine from across the room and it hits the fridge and it shatters. And this is the whole, the opposite of love isn't hate. It's indifference. It's indifference. She's, Marcia Cross. It was stunning that whole first season. and it shatters and this is the whole the opposite of love isn't hate it's indifference it's indifference she's I mean Marsha

was stunning that whole first season and that character I actually a friend of mine Jordan Ardino yes wrote on Desperate Housewives

oh my god Jordan wrote for Desperate and I was for Desperate gagged because and he also wrote for Smash yes

all the good shit and so like he I was you know I love talking to him about desperate housewives. Cause truly like that was like the show. And what I'm fucking obsessed with is that our guest is nodding her head off. Which means,

while we talk about this, which means it also was a formative piece of culture for her. And that's something I'm excited to talk to her about. I'm very excited to talk to our guest. And who is our guest? Pray tell. God, I gotta say like our guest,

I, I, I, I heard, I saw our guest perform. I heard her on a podcast truly do you hear that do you hear what i hear the sounds of chaos outside of new york it's like that's our fan club that's our fan that is how intense the fans of our guest our guest are um i heard her i heard our guest on a podcast and it was her and rachel winnitsky like just talking playing a game and she was she was just cracking me up yeah one of the funniest

by by doing and this is just the highest compliment by doing so little she was cracking me the fuck up where she would like where like rachel would play this game with her uh like like is this is this or that thing anyway and then she would just be like she would get answers wrong she'd be like god I'm so stupid I'm such a stupid bitch like just like offhand things and then she and then I mean not to mention like just fucking an amazing

comedian an amazing writer and then like you know you gotta see the videos at Ava and her IUD and her IUD on Twitter one of the most iconic handles I. One of the most iconic handles. I mean, one of the most iconic handles and Twitter that's taking, like, the world by storm. Rightfully so.

Not to, like, I hate to bring up the numbers and the metrics. 200,000 followers. What? Come on. I know, I never, I hate bringing this up but it's like, fucking, something's happening. Something's happening. And the people are talking here's the thing

here's the thing a retweet is huge it's actually rule of culture number 12 a retweet is huge it means that not only did the person appreciate what they've seen

but they want to share it with their community I want to champion this work and oh and we can't forget the Instagram handle is victoriva secret

yeah um it's bad no I love that uh so much I'm so excited I'm so excited I can't forget the Instagram handle is Victoria Eva Secret. It's bad. No, I love that so much. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. To welcome into your ears. Our guest,

Ava Victor. Welcome. Thank you for having me. This is ridiculous. A couple of things to say. Okay, please go. Okay. Marsha Cross and Laura Dern are both very tall. Yes. Incredibly tall. And very are both very tall yes incredibly tall don't forget that

how tall are they do you know i imagine laura dern is six feet yeah marsha cross probably 5 11 now would you identify as tall i would and i'm 5 11 and it's fine well it's one of those things where it's like do you find that were you always tall always seventh grade it was this dancing with gregory horrible yeah arms like this gregory he had to be what five five oh he was so small oh god you know gregory oh i feel like i honestly do know gregory yeah i knew gregory gregory was that guy yeah he was sort of like i'll dance with you fine yeah right and so he should be so lucky. Do we know what he's doing now?

We don't. And we could look it up. And maybe I will in a second. Yeah, okay, cool. All right, so Marsha Cross, it goes like this. You and Marsha Cross 5'11", Laura Dern, 6'2". Uh-huh, I think it goes like that. Wow.

And I don't know about Marianne. She might be tall, too, but it doesn't feel like it. I don't think she's tall. She's not giving me tall energy. So, the Jill Stein of this year. Yeah, the Jill stein do you think she'll cross over to a green party ticket that feels oh my god fucking kill me i know like fucking try to be honorable one time right like i'm so fucking over like the ego in all of it i'm like drop out bitch that's the strongest that's the most presidential thing

you can do. Yeah, honestly. Just to clear the field. It's crazy. The most altruistic thing, absolutely. It is. Yes, yes.

If you're doing bad, drop out. The thing is, I think that she, here's the thing though. If she was doing how she was doing and now she's doing better

because she's going to keep going. She has the directional thing. Because she's like that. If you're the kind of person who is going to move up because you're dumb, drop out. Does that make sense? Yes. But I don't think she's aware of that.

I was reading the other day. It's like five of them are doing very well and the rest of them are doing either fine or bad. And at that point it's just like, okay, if you're doing fine or bad, thank you so much. And drop out fine or bad, thank you so much. And drop out quietly. Yeah, thank you for playing. No worries. Yeah, no worries. You're on the Swalwell kick.

You thought Eric did a good job. I am not on a Swalwell kick. You keep bringing him up. I keep bringing him up because I would fuck him. So you're on a Swalwell kick. I would fuck most of them. I would fuck most of them, too. Would you fuck Jay Inslee? Remind me?

Oh my god, too. Would you fuck Jay Inslee? Okay, remind me. One of the white guys? Climate change. Oh, my God, yeah. I would honestly fuck anyone with the ego to do this. Yes, yeah. Which is the tragedy. Regardless of gender. Regardless of gender. I don't know any of the candidates who I didn't know before the debate.

Right, okay. Like, I watched and I was like, okay, who's that? No big deal. Who's that? No big deal. It just was too much information. And I'm sort of like here to destroy beto yeah right and that's it i mean that's but you but you would fuck beto oh my god i basically fucked a better look alike but i can't get into it because i'm i'm very sad oh no see that's the kind of guy who'll ruin your fucking life i know i think I would have sex with Beto. He's so confident.

He's really a lot. He probably comes and then it's like sorry gotta go. I think I think the veneer makes noises. I think the veneer is cracking on him

in a way that for me I'm just like ooh I see you sweat and bitch that's not hot and you're totally gone for me. I would fuck Amy. I would fuck I was gonna say

I would fuck Amy. I would bottom for Amy. I'll put a baby in Amy. Yeah. That stuff about bottoming for Hillary I would fully bottom for Amy say I would fuck Amy I would bottom for Amy I'll put a baby in Amy Yeah That stuff about Bottoming for Hillary I would fully bottom for Amy And also here's the thing About Amy

You want me to do my job If you throw a binder at me I'm ten times more likely To do my job Absolutely That's how you run A fucking room Okay I was talking about

Beto's wife Amy Oh Is that her name I'm talking about Miss Klobuchar Oh I would fuck Amy Yeah yeah yeah But the thing about Beto is

now that his confidence is knocked a little bit it's like now that I know he has like a self-esteem issue I can't eat his ass fast enough

oh yeah for sure I mean if you tell me you have a self-esteem issue I can't eat your ass fast enough oh my god really that's my whole vibe

yeah that's awesome dude wait that's like huge for you because i'm like oh it's gonna be easy for me i don't have to pretend to be as confident as you because i'm also fucked up yeah let's go isn't it horrible all of it like vulnerability and stuff i mean honestly i love vulnerability no i love vulnerability i haven't felt the payoff of vulnerability in a couple days yeah you. You know, like sometimes.

And that's long. That feels like a long, I don't know. I'm coming off of like. You're going through something right now. I know. Can you send, I like brought seltzer. Like, what am I up to? Yeah, no, you brought four seltzers.

And it's like obvious. And there's three of us. Emma, do you want the seltzer? No, no. That's for you. She has one. It's even better flavored. Well, because here's the thing.

Because now the seltzer is just going to sit here and it's going to be this reminder of this person. I know. Now, well, are you, do you want just going to sit here and it's going to be this reminder of this person. I know. Do you want to talk about it? We don't have to. I'll give you the lowdown. Give us. Sort of like the lowdown.

I was like, I basically was in like two serious relationships and it was sort of like, boom, uh, boom. And now we're on the uh of the second one. How long was the first uh? first like i want to say two years

i know right isn't that such a long time that's a full-fledged relationship i mean i mean it was huge it was like the first time i was in love it was like i and i'm still like okay this person means the world to me like this is a person and then i was kind of taken off guard by yeah uh another person and right after that i mean there was a there was some time but yeah it was overwhelming yeah and now i'm sort of like okay so i don't plan on sort of going down like romantic vulnerability like road for like probably a decade or so it is hard it takes the wind out of your fucking sails i remember when when my first so how it was the first relationship was two years and then pretty soon after you've met this other person

and how long were you with them or was that a thing yeah maybe like almost a year yeah so but the intensity felt almost the same yeah well they were so different and yeah without getting into it too much like i i just there was no real time when i felt like alone and now here i am and it's sort of like well you have some crazy thoughts now and like you are what's going on up here because you're kind of alone in there now. It's interesting and it's really funny. Stop. No, because like the real tea is like when my relationship ended, there was a time where I was like, why would I ever do that again?

Why would I ever go through that again? And I was like, no, I'm getting a relationship. It is horrible. And then like with time you realize like you will realize like how you've grown and like you'll be thankful for it but it's just like the call to courage yeah but but but but to be honest like it's a call to courage yeah yeah a call to courage you need to watch it three times in a row the day after my last breakup and it helped but also then i was like okay Brene is sort of it for me now. Right so then you became fixated

on Brene and if it's not Brene then it can't be anyone. Who do I get? Who can I lock down? I've been quoting Brene too much. I keep being like well vulnerability is showing up and not knowing what the outcome is. I mean that is bravery. That is bravery.

If you know what's going to happen you're not putting anything on the line. You're not being any it's that is bravery. That is bravery. If you know what's going to happen, you're not putting anything on the line. You're not being any, it's just not bravery. Okay, so then where you're at now is this thing of like, I don't want to put anything on the line. I think I put like, I honestly, and not to toot my own horn here, was very brave. Yeah. Thank you so much. And I, yeah, and I was very brave. Yeah. Thank you so much. And I, yeah, and I was, and I feel like,

okay, I'm, I don't want to be brave for another person right now. I'm going to be brave all by my lonesome, bring my seltzers wherever I go. Yeah. You know, fucking.

Yeah. Wait, I'm sorry. Can we just say the seltzers are not, to me, did not read as a cry for anything. It does not, it does not indicate anything. The seltzers are not, to me, did not read as a cry for anything. It does not indicate anything.

The seltzers are a huge, huge deal. The seltzers are. They're a huge metaphor for what's going on. No one ever brings us anything. It's generous. And it means that you are willing to offer something of yourself. Yes, thank you. Thank you.

And I'll remember that. And this thing of like, okay, just to go back to your. And I'll remember that. To go back to your thing of like oh you're alone up here what are the you have crazy thoughts it's like well i've there's i i've never i've never been served by like rating my own thoughts or inner like you know ruminations of like oh god i must i'm i suck for thinking that like that doesn't help i don't't know. No judgment. No judgment. On the outer layer. Just take away the judgment then deal with the next layer. Sure.

And then what's the thing that Brene ends on in A Cult of Courage where she's like something begets joy or like gratitude begets joy. Right? Oh.

So there you go. It's about being grateful for what you have in. It is this. It is this. I think I'm dealing with you two are different from me where I think

but that's also this is also because I have not been in a long-term relationship ever for longer than like six months so that's a long time

I think anyway oh thank you well I just I haven't I haven't felt this thing of like I completely gave myself over to somebody

but I find it so fascinating when people are like I don't want to do that again I because my instinct is maybe I'm just a serial date

or serial monogamist I'm in love with being in love I want to jump to the next thing immediately I think that which is bad

I'm not tooting that as a good thing nothing's bad at this point like we have to forgive ourselves yeah I mean the reason I say that and I'll remember that

the reason I say that is because like and I've talked about him so much on the pods i'll just use his name like the relationship i had with henry was so beautiful but also it's like the periods of despair were such periods of true despair where i was like physically ill and like just just the tragedy that comes with not being able to work it out with someone that you love so much. It's like grieving a loss, and it's like someone dying. And that's why I think you have yet to experience that. Yes, yes, yes.

Because once you do experience that, and you will, well, honestly, I hope for you that the first person that you have a real relationship with, I hope that's it. Not that I don't wish for you all the experiences in the world, but I wouldn't wish on anyone despair. And you can attest to this. When you are in a relationship and all you want to do is make it work, but it just can't, it's a it's a devastating devastating it's a realization it's like oh my god oh my god my fantasy of what this could be has to go down the drain yeah and then you have to keep reminding yourself the fantasy isn't real or that like what you could

what you imagined isn't you're not on track for it and maybe you're not getting what you want and you're like i i spent a lot of time worrying about what other people need and like a lot of time i was like wait i guess like i need to think about what i want because i never prioritize that and that's sort of like bernie's whole thing literally i think we are the same because something i've had to deal with over the past couple years is like you gotta you gotta say how you feel because trying to make other people happy is making you sick yes like and also in bed and right yeah and not not a lot not allowing people the truth about what you are and who you are like yes so now it's like now it's like uh there's something new kind of bubbling up in my life and i'm kind of like oh god at what point am i like fully 100 completely honest about

like what it is that I want? And like, you know, but it's also one of my lessons from the relationship too is also like, you have to make people feel special and loved and wanted. So it's a tough thing. And these relationships, they're never going to be perfect, but you can try. Yeah.

And it's about, so it's about a choice. It's about making a choice. God, here we go. It's about making a choice where you both are like, I want to choose to make this work. And if you're not choosing that together or at the same time, you're dead. And I also think that is so romantic, too. I know, because it's like logic.

It's like we can just, this is a decision. It's not like, oh, one day I wake up in love and the next day I'm confused. It's like, no, I'm committed to this growth. And you're a Pisces, yes. I am. Sorry to bring it up. What are you? Nequarius.

I'm right next door. Right next door. Right next door. Did you read Normal People? Oh, my God. I read the first 20 pages at Nicole Silverberg's house and I couldn't put it down. And then she made this amazing dessert, so I had to. What dessert was it? What was the dessert? I saw she made a strawberry shortcake that's what she made wow and you know

what it's not what you think it is it is biscuits oh gosh strawberries and cream between the biscuits yes but it's not yes oh my god wait my mom makes a version of this yeah yeah yeah is it yes okay it's not it's not the thing that I thought it was, which was fruit in the cake. It's very British. Yes. It looked stunning. And you ate that? I ate that. I saw you eat that.

Did you? I bragged about eating that. You bragged about eating it? That is social media right now in a sentence. I saw you eat that. That's actually rule of culture number 12. Social media is I saw you eat that. That is very poignant.

That is true. Poignant and huge true poignant and huge poignant and huge you have to read it you have to finish it I read it in like what two three days

oh my god she said she got home and just sat down and finished it yeah the second it turns me on that book so far it's a horny

fucking book is it it's a it's like what people are thinking and switching places every chapter right yeah and so you get their perspective and she's like see like what people are thinking and switching places every chapter right yeah and and so you get their perspective and she's like raw raw yeah it's really it's a raw

no condoms anywhere no condoms anywhere no um and truly like me i've been in this very queer reading material space for a while and i'm just like some it better be good if it's gonna pull me out of orbit did you read read less? Literally, he... Okay, so this is like a joke now at this point because he has told me to read less. No less than a million times. And so it is at my apartment now. And I'm going to say this on the pod.

Tonight, I'm going to go home and read it. Will you really? Yes. I hope you will. I hope you will too, but... What do you think of that book? If you need it, it doesn't need you. It's the last of the book.

I get it. I know I need to read it doesn't need you. It's the last of the book. I get it. I know I need to read it. Can we talk about it? Yeah. In very vague terms, that ending. Oh my God. I was surprised.

I was kind of surprised too. I was surprised because I was like, Do not give anything away. We won't. We're really going to stay vague. It's just exactly what I wanted but didn't know I could want.

Exactly. And like, God, the build up to it. I mean what I wanted, but didn't know I could want. Exactly. And like, God, the, the buildup to it. I mean, I had no idea we'd end there. Yes.

I was, I stopped breathing. I know. I know exactly. I know. It was so shocking. Wait, I've been waiting for something like this.

This was it. This was it. It's like a movie. It's like a movie. I was on the train and then I stepped out of the train and I was like on the last few pages and I was like

I'm just gonna stay 23rd street on the CE stop a good stop a good stop just stood there on the platform after I'd gotten off

my train that I needed to get off at and I just read those last pages and I had to sit down and I was like Jesus Christ that is a very romantic

way to read the end of the book I also remember being like after you read this book, don't look at your phone for 10 minutes. After we finished it, I was like, you could look at your phone, but you need to sit in that. Yeah. Because there was hope. Come on. Hope.

There's hope in the book. And that's crazy. Because hope isn't everywhere, by the way. And hope is hard to find. Hope is so churned out in this manufactured way now that it's hard to find the real thing. Last minute hope.

Wow. Last minute hope. Well, I mean, I love hope. You love hope. I'm a huge fan of hope. I really am. You're gonna love it. It's so funny.

It's really funny. It's so funny. It's like the sad but beautiful guy. Volney, Volney. Yeah, how old is the main character? He's like middle-aged,

which is, so he's in his late late 40s early 50s okay and it's it's it's really good for us you and me Matt

to read it because it is like this fun gay men aging this fun glimpse into like this fucking tailspin

that we all go on and it's like it pales in comparison to what like fucking women go through you know it's like right well can i it's very like like these things that we don't talk about and i was reading it i was like i've never thought about it this way i think that like okay so when you know how those the face thing with the aging yes yes yes it's hot i saw it honestly i was happy with mine fucked up i i was really happy with mine

but i i still looked at that man's face and i was like oh my god what are you gonna be i was like i was like how are people gonna are people still gonna think like what are people gonna still gonna think this is like cute like are people still going to think like, what are people going to still going to think this is like cute? Like, are people still going to tolerate you? Like, are, like,

are, are, are you going to always be like goofy and crazy? Like, what are you going to be? Like what, what happened to you? Like,

I don't know what, looking at, looking at a real version of my old face, I was like, I hope that they treated you. Okay. I was like, cause gay men, as they they age i'm just like i just i haven't really seen okay i haven't really seen like someone who's like i guess you have like your ian mckellen or whatever like but just like a gay man who's

always been gay always was like got what he deserved you know what i mean like all of her sense sure but it just was like to see yourself you're like, that is going to happen to me. God willing. that felt true about it. It's like fate. It's like the inevitability of looking different. Yeah.

And having lived. Yeah. And I was just like, I was looking at that man's face who was me and I was like, I hope it went well. I hope,

because, you know, I hope we're still smiling like that. Oh my God. You will be. I really think that. I hope so. I just like, you know what I mean?

Like seeing yourself old, like I know it was like a fun bit we were all doing, but it was just like very crazy. Very intense. Yeah. We shouldn't be able to do that. No, it's not natural. I feel like in looking at your photo,

I saw my photo and thought mine looks like so much older. Like it looks like they did a different age than your one. What age are they supposed to make you? Because today, Ricky Gervais was on The View and it was like, they showed his old photo

and I'm like, this is him in three years. Oh. That's sad. What age is he supposed to be making us? I think it's like octo or septuagenarian.

Like 70s, 80s. Okay. Is that how you say it? Is that how you? Septuagenarian. Septuagenarian. That's so hard. I'm a septuagenarian.

I'm a septuagenarian. Exactly right. Oh, I thought you were going to, I thought you were going to like read me for my, you know, romance language pronunciation. No, I loved it. Can we talk about,

I'm going to say something and please reject it if you, if you reject it. I think Ava Victor is the female Timothee Chalamet of comedy. I was like nervous and now I'm like completely found. Like

Go on and go on and go on. Explain. Just this aloof. The female Timothee Chalamet. Oh, this aloof, dark-haired, French-speaking. Yes. And you're just like, who is that? I want to know more. Yeah. Timothy. Breakout star. Come on. What do you think? Do you accept that? I want to know more. Yeah. Breakout star.

Come on. What do you think? Do you accept that? I accept. I accept hugely. And you know what else I accept? I accept when people say I look like Cole Sprouse.

Oh! Because that happens too. People are like you look like Cole Sprouse and I'm like that is huge. You have the same nose. We have

and ultimately energy. Yes. I did audition for Riverdale. You did not. Yeah. It went so bad. You would have been perfect. Yes. I did audition for Riverdale. You did not. Yeah, it went so bad. You would have been perfect. What part did you audition for? I want to be on it so bad.

Veronica? No, my God. I auditioned for the cheerleader sister of Betty. Got it. What? I was blonde and I was like completely, even more depressed than I am now. Can you even imagine? Oh, so hair curler was different back then oh i was like blonde that's it that's it yeah and my hair was long and i went into the

audition and the part the lines were like mom it's i'm like reaching i'm reaching for yogurt in the fridge and i opened my mom standing there there and she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, mom, it's nonfat. And I just did backbends and flips for four hours at cheer practice. And she's like, whoever the guy is, it's a bad influence. And I'm like, I love him.

I should have gotten it, right? Oh my God, you should have gotten it. Your performance right now. Thank you so much. I'm a really, really, really good cheerleader. Is that like the most cuckoo thing you've auditioned for? Like you're like, I can't believe I'm holding these pages in my hands. No, I auditioned for Quantico.

That was my first audition here. Quantico. Does Rachel Winnitsky know this? Oh my God, we've talked about it. That's how we like first became work buddies. Rachel loves those network dramas. Rachel loves Quantico. She also loves Grey's Anatomy.

Yeah, she does. I mean, famously so does Nicole. Rachel's ridiculous. Rachel She also loves Grey's Anatomy. Yeah, she does. I mean, famously, so does Nicole. Rachel's ridiculous. Rachel could, I mean, Rachel can do any of those exactly right. Yeah. Oh, Rachel is like, and this is. She's been on the good fight. She's been on the good fight.

This is like the highest compliment I could pay someone, especially an actor. She is network television procedural. She can do any of those shows. She can deliver any line in the world. She's so good. She's such a good actor. And she has like a passion for like poop stuff. Yeah.

And I love like writing about poop. And I'm like. Yeah, she loves writing about poop. And talk about her poop. Yeah. We both have hemorrhoids. Do you? I had a hemorrhoid.

Oh my God. It goes and comes and I know that about them. It goes and comes. Preparation H is... I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, I wiped with it and now it's good. It's so slippery.

It's like a lubricant. It's really... But you know what? It stays and it doesn't dry out. It stays there. I mean, a lot of stuff stays in there. It stays slippery, you know?

Okay, hold on. So Rachel... I've never had like a dry buzz. Sorry. I have never had... It's okay's okay i mean like especially not in this heat like it's so bad but the thing is like my butt it's it's i've never i've only had one hemorrhoid before in my life years ago but i did through about three four this is insane about three four years ago i had to have i had a little tiny cyst like right under my butthole and I had to get it lanced and drained. And they took an,

they, they took a needle and they, they, they gave me a shot in my butt hole. And when I tell you the pain, it was crazy It was so bad When they stuck a needle in my butthole And gave it the shot

Hey It was like so bad You were the best singer in the entire world There's no way that's true Her name is Trisha Yearwood Shut up When they And they go to me

This is what they go They say If you need to hold our hands or scream you can do that i was like and i literally the joke that almost came out of my mouth was it won't be the worst pain i felt there did you say that it's a good joke no because i didn't think i didn't think that brooklyn doctor's office was ready for my anal sex humor they're fucking this is the thing. Stigma on anatomy. Oh my god, you're right. I should be banished.

Get it out. If fucking Marcia Cross can go on TV and talk about her rectal cancer, you can make that joke to a Brooklyn doctor nobody. If she can go to a Marianne Williamson fundraiser, anyone can do anything. It's actually

Relay Culture number 40. If Marcia Cross can go to a Marianne Williamson fundraiser, anyone can do anything. It's actually Reload Culture number 40. If Marcia Cross can go to a Marianne Williamson fundraiser anyone can do anything. It's true. It is true. We put a man on the moon

Marcia went to the Marianne Williamson fundraiser. We did that. We did that. Which means that we should be allowed to do anything.

Honestly I can't explain and then also the pain was bad but it wasn't like cuckoo bananas. That sounds horrible. But then I had to like walk around with like a, like what essentially was like a pad on my butt.

And like, it was like draining all the time. And I was like, people feel like this always. There were some people out there who constantly are dripped and they're called women. And they have a period. And I was like, I have a whole new respect for just for discharge for discharge

um thank you and thank you from womankind thank you men must understand title of app I think is from womankind

thank you oh I think that's a good one and as we all know I do represent all women and I take pride in that absolutely being the Timothy the female Timothy Jalamay of comedy I've never heard anything so specific as that I think that's a good one. And as we all know, I do represent all women. And I take pride in that. Being the female Timothy Jalamay of comedy. I've never heard anything so specific as that.

I think if we stood next to each other, you would actually only see our differences. Because I think from far away, we are brother-sister. From up close, we are simply incompatible. Oh, I think you two would, you will absolutely play siblings one day.

Oh my God. I think that's in the cards. I think he'll be the lead. And I think I'll would, you will absolutely play siblings one day. Oh my God. I think, I think that's in the cards. I think he'll be the lead. And I think I'll be, I'll be on the side if anything. You both speak French. You both like,

are like these, like these very textured people. I don't know. I mean, some of these stars, I bet he's nice. Some of these stars are a lot nicer than you think they're going to be. Or they have to be.

But when he brought his, I think, so he brought I think so he brought his mom to that award show I don't remember the Oscars and I think that that is

I guess cool but also it's like if you bring your mom to an award show you know what you're doing like that's a move that's like look what I'm doing

I don't I bring my mom I owe everything to my mom and that display I mean I think he should have brought his mom. That's really nice. Okay,

but yeah, what is it? What is it? What is it? What's the messaging? I guess it's sort of like, I love my mom and you have to watch

and applaud me. Yeah. Okay, I kind of take it back. No, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

I'm jealous about it. I'm saying it because that's a really good, I don't think so many, I don't think so many people who bring their moms to award shows because it is this thing of like, give me me that straight give me that straight boy pat on the back right exactly it's like look i i actually love my mom and i'm and congrats to me yeah yeah if i ever get nominated for an award show like i'm sorry i am bringing my i know i

fuck in the bathroom yeah but you gotta fuck in the bathroom yeah we gotta fuck in the bathroom and I have to be able if I'm ever nominated for anything I'm gonna be truly a wreck and I have to be able

to hold someone's hand so tight and the only person that would let me do that is it would be your boyfriend bring your doctor I hope to be my partner

bring your doctor or my doctor it should be my doctor I should go back to that Brooklyn doctor and be like hey remember that time I got an Oscar

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once in a while bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us while we may be unlicensed to advise we're gonna do it anyway listen to call it what it is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i have a question what if it's a cultural thing where it's like, I'm just going to bring up like, oh no, not French. I'm like, not to bring her up, like Sandra Oh bringing her parents to stuff.

Like, is that a move where you're like, oh God, this is everyone, this is engineered. I'm not backing you into a corner with this. I promise. No, I don't think so. Because when that happened, I was like, hell fucking yeah. But also I will say when Timothee Chalamet brought, Timothee brought timothy chalamet sorry there's i just can't say it american brought his mom i was not mad in the moment in retrospect yeah and i can't explain it no i i think that's

i think that's very interesting and i think i i'm inclined to agree when sandra oh thanked her parents that was the bow was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And also she brought them both. She brought them both. And singling out the mother. Unless his father is no longer involved. Very much could be true. There you go.

France. I'm not putting hold. France. Wait, these French dads. These French dads. Did you, you grew up there up there okay so let me explain go i was born in paris yes uh we lived there for a year yes moved to san francisco which is where i was raised yes and then i went to college in so i was there i went to like a french immersion

school great which was insane and not worth it never Never do it. If given the opportunity. If given the opportunity, don't go to French immersion school. No, really. I like him always like, fuck that. Really? Why? Why? Well, I learned all of this science in French. Yes.

Why? I mean, why learn science at all? But like learning all of it in French was like insane. And I then. It's a little culture number 18. Why learn science at all? Sorry, Drew. No, no, no.

And then after like two years in high school, I was like, I should be going to like the American part of this high school. Yeah. Which was just next door. And so I just transferred over to the American part of the high school. And they were like, why don't you know any science in English? I was like, well, fucking kill me. I can't succeed. And so I actually, you know what?

I was, I was, I wanted to be pre-med only because of Grey's Anatomy. And then, it's crazy. And then I, and then I realized I wanted to be an actor on Grey's Anatomy. And then that never happened either. But I mean, come on. It was just crazy because I remember when Christina had her heart chalkboard. She had a huge diagram of a heart, all the different parts of it. And I remember being like, I need to get one of those in my house.

Yeah. Which doesn't make, I just, it's. It's such a weird, like you see, it's being presented to you. Like TV doctors. And you're like like i'm responding to this yes i don't know which part and it is actually wanting to have sex right probably and also the fact of the matter is um when you're a real doctor um your life isn't scored that beautifully yeah and also not everyone looks like that and it's not this thing where um it's over in 45 minutes it's like a full

lifetime and being that tired is not glamorous and when they're up yeah when they're up all night they're up actually all night yeah you don't have like the ability to look like katherine heigl when you work 18 hour days oh my god shifts um and also to be honest with you i think we're probably all around the same age and with the gray's anatomy, making you want to be doctors and then you realize it was about acting. That was me with Lost. And I would fantasize about being in a plane crash. What? As a career move.

As a career thing. I want to be a professional plane crash victim. No, but I remember when I was watching Lost, I was like, it would be so cool to be in it like in that kind of disaster and then survive i don't know because i was 14 that's wacko and i also like i was like i wonder what my i wonder how long i would live on the island like it was some sort of game which character were you responding most to um well actually here's a here's an even more interesting thing i actually responded most to kate slash Evangeline Lilly because she was like pretty and a cipher

and you never could get a finger on her and also she like had the Jack and Sawyer love triangle of it all and at the time I was like obviously it's Jack obviously it's Jack and now something deep within me which I realized like last year is I was like actually

what I would like is to is I was like, actually, what I would like is to have my collarbone broken by Sawyer. And I'll tell you what, even more, who would be the most intense sex, I think. And I think the one I'm really fucking sexually attracted to is Charlie. Interesting. Okay.

Let me say, I've only seen the pilot. Me too. Because there's a part where I think somebody gets skinned. Is that true or is that Buffy the Vampire Slayer? The pilot of the plane. And by the way, I did think that episode was called pilot because they were looking for the pilot.

It took me a long time to realize pilot was pilot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. The pilot gets his face ripped off by the monster. That's it. Is that what I'm talking about? And then they, yes. Do we see it? You see off by the monster that's it yeah is that what i'm talking about and then they yes and then you see it by the smoke you see it hanging and you don't know you see him up there you see him up there in the tree and he has no face yeah and you're like oh

my god and eventually lily has that amazing moment of acting where she um is hiding in the trees from the monster and she counts down from five because that's what Jack has told her to do. And everyone was like, oh my God, Evangeline Lillia, a star is born. A star is born. Yeah. Ooh, Evangeline. Evangeline Lillia's culture.

She's so pretty. Sorry, she's so pretty. She's one of the most gorgeous people ever. And I've also heard really nice. And what I appreciate about Evangeline Lillia is she only does blockbusters. I've had two experiences. This is the most obnoxious thing.

No. What? Where she was sitting diagonally from me at SoulCycle. Oh. Which one do you go to? Let me say this.

Claire Danes is sometimes Wow. Who? Claire Danes. Claire Danes. Claire Danes. Yeah. I fucking love Claire.

Oh, but Claire refused to talk to us at Vulture Fest. Anyway. Yeah. We tried to do it. I'll kill her when I see her. No, she was just busy and she was like,

I want to go home. That wasn't Claire. That was Maggie Gyllenhaal. No, but also Claire did not want to come. Oh, Claire Danes also didn't want to talk to us. Claire and Maggie didn't want to talk to us. Of course, Claire Danes and Maggie Gyllenhaal,

goddesses of the small screen, sorry girls, didn't talk to us. Oh my God. I believe, yeah. Evangeline is always so into it, and she's always like, she's just,

you can tell she's like, cool. She's like, she like hoops and hollers whenever, you know, the instructor's like, how are you feeling? And she's like, woo! I fucking love her.

You have to respond to her. You have to. Because I'll say this in public right now. It's true. Lost was, it had its moments of being the best show in the world. And then there were truly some things about it that were so fucking bad.

Like the character of Kate was so bad. And the fact that we even tolerated her is just Evangeline's star quality. Yes. Because the character was so bad. Wait, Kate was the blonde one. No, that was Claire. Claire, sorry. Emily Duravin. Emily Duravin. Oh, Emily. Yes, who was the blonde one. No, that was Claire. Claire, sorry. Emily Duravin.

Emily Duravin. Oh, Emily. Yes, who was in that movie. The Hills Have Eyes. The Hills Have Eyes, which was crazy. She's pregnant in that movie and she gets fucking raped. She gets raped by a mutant alien. I hate that. I hate that movie.

It was like the last couple years where torture porn was like fully acceptable and mainstream but it's like if you watch it again you're like oh boy does this is this something that absolutely poisoned the minds of america fucking everything though yeah there is this movie that i don't know what it is and i remember seeing it too young where this like prairie woman fucks this cowboy guy in like a basement i was at a friend's house and we watched this movie because her dad put it on and i remember what they were fucking and making like sex sounds and i was like probably old i don't know i was like old enough to where that shouldn't i guess be as uncomfortable but it was insane and i just remember being like i feel like i'm going to throw up because this is too early

and also this the girl whose house that made me watch two girls one cup I'm sorry we don't need to talk about it but the thing is that's culture and we have to talk about it because it's culture unfortunately part of culture she said if you don't she grabbed my I went like this she grabbed my face showed it and she said

if you don't watch this you're boring and to be called boring? I mean, she's like, I think she's doing okay. She's still in the bay. Shout out, Emma. I never made it through that because I would always wretch. It was too much for me. It's disgusting.

There's no point. It's horrible. I'm so mad still. Her house was hard to be at sometimes. This is the thing. Cake farts is acceptable to me. I mean, cake farts to me is one of the funniest things of all time. Have you seen cake farts? That's not bread face. No.

Cake farts is the famous, iconic video where a girl sits on a cake and farts. Yes, yes, yes. There are lots of them, right? Yeah, there's a lot of them. There's waffle farts. There's pancake farts. There's like pancake farts. It's like crazy.

She farted on so many different things. So many foods. And the best was her dialogue around the event, which was, you know what I like the most? Cake farts. Let's get this done. Hmm.

How am I going to do this? I know. Okay, believe me when I say I thought that would end after one line and it was seven lines. No, we're off book. No, we're off book.

We've been off book. We've been off book for years. Cake Farts is your Riverdale. Cake Farts is my Riverdale. My culture. This is, did I ever tell you this? No.

The person who showed me Cake Farts, the person who like sent a link around to Cake Farts was Donald Glover, sent Nick Packard a link to Cake Farts my freshman year of college and then we were like we're gonna watch this oh and i was like so you were exposed to cake farts by donald glover aka childish gambino i was already like a donald glover fan from like derrick comedy days and i was like yeah i was like whatever donald thinks

is cool i'll think it's cool that's really embarrassing for him right that's so embarrassing like fucking perfect like uh like propagated cake farts to like the reason and just so everyone knows the reason this happened is because he was like a he was like the og comedy group at nyu yes yes yes and so he knew some of our peers that are a little bit older and that's how this video yes yes yes yes but he was like if you watch anything today or this year you watch cake farts you watch cake farts star of the Lion King truly some propagated Simba propagated cake farts to the young impressionable mind of Bowen Yang yeah if Beyonce knew he had done that she would not have done them no no I'll tell you what how what happened he wouldn't

have done the movie yeah she would have said he is sending people cake farts I can't do this film with him. We need to go with someone else. This is a really good Beyonce impression. And somehow I'm going to say not problematic. It's a non-problematic Beyonce impression from a gay white man. This is Beyonce Knowles. We need to find someone else for the film.

Let me say I am getting all of the eye contact in this moment. And it's very powerful. I've heard something troubling about Donald. And I would not like to even I know we have scheduled it so that I don't have to see anyone while I film but I don't even want to be on the same screen as him I would prefer it if we cast another actor I also have concerns about this is this an email I have concerns about this baby icon. He's screaming in gay. If you look up my videos, you know that I'm actually, in my past,

actually quite homophobic. I'm just kidding. She had her a couple rough moments years ago. She wasn't going to compromise her Christianity. My favorite slightly homophobic adjacent Beyonce moment is after Britney Spears and Madonna kissed at the VMAs and Christina she went on public record and said that she was disgusted oh my god Beyonce is of course

a gay icon and she supports us and she posts a lot of and one of the greatest performers of all time and a legend and we love Beyonce and I've given her much of my money so don't come for me them kissing was disgusting And a legend. And we love Beyonce and I've given her much of my money. Let me say something though. Them kissing was disgusting.

Right? Thank you for saying that. I've been saying that for years. She got a little southern there. She is southern. Houston. Where there's a SoulCycle. And I'll say, I saw Lucy Liu in SoulCycle.

Yes, Lucy Liu takes Ariel's class all the time. And she's fast. Yeah. I mean, would you think Lucy Liu wasn't going to be good on the bike? You're right. What the hell? I guess I was just surprised because it was hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Would you soul? Sometimes. I used to work there. Oh, that's right. I used to work there front desk. I worked at corporate for a second. Oh. Worked at the reception.

People treated me okay. No, it's okay. Whenever you're a receptionist, people are like, you suck, but also have to look. I got told a lot that I shouldn't come to work in pajamas. And I was like, well, I have to be here at nine so what are you asking yeah yeah yeah hello i have to be here at nine the crack of dawn no one else goes to work at nine i would go to i mean i hope no one's listening but i would go there and there and at nine that's when the snack guy would get there too the corporate snack guy and i would meet him and take as many cliff bars as i possibly could just to stash them and i would eat them throughout the day and get violently ill and then go home and start the day over the next day and come back and do it again. You're just eating the densest

food ever made. When you eat a cliff bar and then another Clif Bar, that's not okay. Why would you do that? Because it was there. And that's it. I mean, the amount of things I'll eat because they're there. I know. It's shocking. Shocking.

I'll try almonds every day and throw the pack away once I have one, but I will open it up. Yeah, I mean, almonds are like something they say that you should eat, but they're fucking bad. Almonds fucking suck. Unless they're mad salted. Allergic. Good. What? Good for you.

And almond milk. I can't eat almonds. Well, you shouldn't have almond milk. How did I not know that? Bowen. You knew this. What?

No, I didn't know that you had an almond allergy. Isn't that so fucked up? It's specific to almonds. Peanuts, cashews, anything else I can eat. Any other nut I can eat. Almonds.

What will happen to you if you eat an almond? I fucking close up. I feel, my throat, my throat can eat. Almonds. What will happen to you if you eat an almond? I fucking close up. I feel, my throat my throat numbs. It's a weird anomalous thing. Can you be in the room with almonds? I can be in the room with almonds. It's just about

them touching my trachea. Not trachea, but my esophagus. But milk has fully moved in an almond direction. That's what I'm saying and like it truly is humiliating for me to be like I can't have almond milk. Do you like oat? Have you had oat?

Oat I've tried a couple times and I'm like oh it's funny for the story. You know it's like Oh my god that's so rude to oat but true. I'm sorry but it's true.

I'm like respect to oat. Yeah. I think you gotta get the right oat I'll say that. Sure. I mean I a couple times had like interesting milks

in my coffee when I was in Los Angeles because they have a lot of interesting milks. And oat milk one time, I was, Greta and I had breakfast and I got oat milk and I was like,

see, there's, I've never tasted something that really tastes exactly like it sounds. Paper. Oat milk tastes like oat. Yeah. Yeah.

It does taste like oatmeal, but watery. But watery. What's your favorite milk it's oat milk but it's oatly oat milk oh you like oatly i like oatly i i don't have anger about dairy but i do not like the idea that it's pus from a cow i'm sorry i said oh i see my god how could you do that i know but i when i think about it i get really upset and you know what it's not even that it's like sometimes there's hormones in it oh yeah have you ever

milked a cow you know what i don't think so i think that would probably completely fuck it up for me i'd be like no i'm never eating this again i don't think i've felt a cow but i also feel like i've felt the cow udder before so i don't know where that you know it's like soft that was a latex glove and you were pulling everyone was like can you stop you're at the doctor yeah i don't know i i've been around like um goats does that help yes that yeah that's the same i fucked up milk for you no no it's okay it's okay it's just that i'm still that kind of person that will like drink milk good like i'll drink like two percent milk like i'll drink like a large glass of it because you remember it's a huge part of culture.

Got milk. Was those got milk ads. Got milk is cool. Yeah, that's cool. I love that. I love a celebrity with a funny picture. But do you remember the culture that was anti-osteoporosis culture,

which was like you must drink two tall glasses of milk a day? Yes, as a kid I drank milk every single meal. Every day. Wow. And wow. Yeah, you're right. That was the moment. Okay.

Not to be like, okay, France is there and I'm going to talk about it. But in France, if you drink the milk, it tastes really fucking different. Yeah. And that freaks me out.

It tastes more like, it's like. Yeah. Yeah. Because the cows are more healthy there. I just think. Maybe. They are.

The pasture, I think. I have no idea. I have no idea i have no idea for sure they are wait i gotta know um favorite grace anatomy what did you when you went on nicole's podcast what did you what was your topic what did you talk about i've been twice one time oh my god i'm forgetting i think i talked about uh relationships lol yeah oh my god i think i talked a lot about, fuck. All I can think of is the idea that I have

for the next one. Oh, wait, what's your idea? The next one, I want to talk about the child actors and where they are now. I'm looking it up right now. Can you please,

I'm so sorry. Oh my God, the child actors. Who are the prominent child actors of Grey's? Oh. The, okay, I'm already mad because the most recent episode was Addison Forbes, Montgomery Sh montgomery shepherd which was going to be my topic that's

the thing about this podcast it's like now people are stealing all the good things yeah matt's really mad at nicole that's like legit no she i was literally she asked me to be on it a couple weeks ago and i was like good because i'll talk about addison and now i see but you know what you can go back and you can flesh out the things you need to. It feels like that. It's a deep dive. So you talked about Boning and Hotties. And you talked about... Boning and Hotties, yes. See, and you talked about Denny Duquette.

Yeah, I talked about... Denny Duquette was my first one because I... When I was... Okay, this is the same as... It's just basically me talking about the episode. Sorry. No, come on. This is huge for us.

Okay, that's amazing. I was actually in this room. Can you actually believe that? Yeah. I talked about Denny Duquette because I remember that storyline being very romantic for me. And then when I went back and rewatched it,

I was like, this is hugely like, there's so much pressure here. There's this weird emasculating shit going on. Katherine Heigl's character is- I am a man. Yeah. A horse of a man. A horse of a man.

It's crazy. It's insane. He is great though. She needs a lot of help. Yeah. Oh, a horse of a man. A horse of a man. Yeah. Crazy. It's insane. She needs a lot of help. Yeah. That character. Yes. Really? I don't mean to be a dick,

but she couldn't have been a doctor. That character. No, not have been a doctor. Jeffrey Dean Morgan though. Really good. Also, you wouldn't have her back as a doctor if she had that kind of cut the

elder and then quit. It's like, okay, cool. Actually, no. The next thing that happens is a lot of paperwork babe

and also you'll probably go to prison yeah how did they get out of that she they kick her out of the program right

yeah how did she come back do we remember no she came back because her teacher from her childhood needed surgery and she

and she was like I own this clinic l And lest you forget, I donated two million dollars for that. Remember the whole clinic storyline? It was Denny left her money. Right, the money. So that was anyway. Really ringing a bell. Ringing a bell. What were you going to say about Denny?

Oh. Or that storyline? I fucking, I'm obsessed with that fucking storyline. I think the LVN wire shit is the best. But I also am like, this doesn't, looking back, I'm like,

this doesn't age well. No, but the chemistry that they had, I thought was really good. And it's not that many scenes, by the way.

If you like, actually go through, it builds, and then, she idealizes him. I'll say that. Right, and nowadays,

if you're watching that, you could probably see it coming from a mile away, but it felt surprising. It was say that. Right. And nowadays, if you're watching that, you could probably see it coming from a mile away, but it felt surprising. It was surprising. I know. But like truly like the superstition episode where it was like seven deaths.

Remember that one? A phenomenal episode. The end. Yeah. Wasn't that many scenes, but that scene is so powerful at the end of that episode where it's like,

Izzy's so worried that he's going to die. He's going to be one of the seven. And then he lives. Um, and then she's crying. She's sobbing in his, in his, um,

fucking room because she's relieved that he's alive. He wakes up. Um, and then she just goes, I cannot fall in love with a patient. I'm just going to act it. Yeah, please.

I cannot fall in love with a patient. Denny goes, okay, good luck with that. And then that's when they first kiss. And it's such a well done scene. Oh my god. Can I try it? What? Go. The scene? Yeah. What is it again?

I cannot fall in love with a patient. Okay. Good luck with that. And then she's laughing. And right now, so you guys do the scene and I will be the audience that is enjoying it. Okay. Who do you want to be? Oh, um. It seems like you want to be Catherine. I kind of do.

Okay, I'll be, no, can you be both? Yeah, okay. Because I just did both. Yeah, okay. No, no, no, no. That's not how scenes work. Yeah.

One of you has to be Denny, unfortunately. Okay, I'll try, I'll try both. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'll do Denny. Okay, fine. I'll do Denny, go. I cannot fall in love

with a patient. Okay. Good luck with that. Really good. I felt very taken care of. Wow, wow. I did not make eye contact. Here's the difference. Ava made eye contact with you

and was acting with you. I actually don't know if I did. I think you did. I completely averted. And I'm the audience. So to do that is crazy. Are you the camera? Is that what you said? I'm the audience. I was watching that. Right. So it's even more egregious somehow can i say i think honestly i wanted to go on and talk about izzy but i and the katherine heigl of it all but i feel like that's been done oh you should talk about the tr night um fucking isaiah washington yeah i guess like that being the that just depresses me because isaiah washington yeah i guess like that being a the that just depresses me because isaiah

washington getting invited back on the show later to wrap up the sandra story like to me is like insane maybe i will talk about that or talk about the i just find that to be completely crazy yeah um you got to come back to that show and like get a check. He truly was a chaos demon on that set and used a homophobic slur. And also, Katherine Heigl did a lot of fucked up things, but also remember that she hit the carpet, the red carpet at the Golden Globes, and she was like,

some people should not speak in public. I'll ride or die for T.R. Knight. That's my best friend, and I will stick up for him. And she was out there sticking up for him and was an ally, and nobody talks about that and yes she fucked up numerous times when it comes to like her public statements about that but i think it really sucks that the narrative around her still to this day is stuff that happened 15 years ago it's just like really fucked up to me and also the fact that isaiah washington called tr Knight a faggot multiple accounts say this happened

and then he was welcomed back. Said it again on the red carpet. And then he said it again in the press room. It's like this is a person that has a real problem. It's like and if we're forgiving people then we have to forgive her. Shonda Rhimes, we don't have to do anything. Shonda Rhimes doesn't have to do anything. Do whatever

you want to do. But it's just like don't chart out this narrative of like well we had to do it foronda Rhimes doesn't have to do anything do whatever you want to do but it's just like don't chart out this narrative of like well we had to do it for Sandra Oh's character it made sense like one of the founding fathers of that show was like to so to speak was Izzy and like

I'm sorry but if there's no invitation for her to come back and wrap up the Alex storyline whenever it ends then this isn't tracking to me. Also, whenever she refers to assholes now, quote unquote, she calls them high goals.

It's just like, at a certain point, it's like, I get maybe, maybe your, maybe your experience with her was that bad, but it does, it doesn't wreak maturity for me.

You can't just choose what you're mad at in this. And when things don't act like you can't just say this person's a devil and this person's like forgiven. You have to like contextualize it and understand why people are wrong i can't wait for the ladies who punch ask book about gray's anatomy because even meredith meredith even ellen pompeo is out there saying like we had serious behavior problems throughout the first 10 years of gray's anatomy like she's going out there and like I just fucking truly stan Ellen Pompeo and want to hear everything she has to say Ellen

Pompeo is truly phenomenal just the moment that like truly I was like yes I will follow you to the ends of the earth was that fucking panel with Gabrielle Union where she was like I don't see it I don't see a lot of color I'm not seeing color and Emma Roberts was like kind of big smile,

but weirded out. And I've seen her do that on like red carpets. I've literally, there was a video. Emma Roberts or Ellen Pompeo? No, Ellen. There was another video of her

and she was like talking to this woman on the carpet and she was like being interviewed and she was like, you know, like when you look at the photographers here, there's not a lot of people of color

and there's not enough women and that's a gaze. So when we're photographed, you have to understand it's by all these white men. And she's literally on the carpet saying it. And I'm like, I never think about that. Everyone that's on that line taking photos of them is allegedly white men.

We can't see it because the cameras aren't on them. But we can feel it. Exactly, we can. And that's an issue yeah fuck it really makes you realize how many people

aren't saying things when Ellen says things you know and it's like this time stops moment and also you can see it in the faces of Gina Rodriguez

and Gabrielle Union when she did say something they were like whoa we didn't think we were gonna go here we didn't know we were allowed to do that yeah and they said

like we would have texted each other after about it but wow that's cool that's really powerful I think it's time to ask Ava the question going to go here. We didn't know we were allowed to do that. Yeah, and they said we would have texted each other after about it. Wow. That's cool. I think it's time to ask Ava the question. I think it's time. You go. Here's the thing. Ava,

on all of our episodes, we ask the question of what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is the defining pop culture in your life that pointed you in a cultural direction. Just take that and run with it. Okay. I feel like the memory that stands out. I was, oh gosh, maybe, I don't remember.

It was 2000, maybe four or five. I was eating a Haagen-Dazs ice cream because that was my Kobe mechanism. Yeah, it was. No big deal. And I remember, like, we had this office. Okay, there are two things. We had this, like, we have this little office in my family's house. And because of, like, construction in the office, construction,

just, like, we had to move the computer out to the living room. So I was sitting in the living room with this big computer no like any parents probably wandering i was eating my haagen-dazs and i was watching fergie's london bridge video and being like i'll never be a woman that feels like so And also, like, I think I, like, am queer. But also, like, help. Yeah. So that moment shook you. That video. And when I think about that moment, I don't think of myself as in it.

I watch myself, like, hunched over eating this, like, ice cream that's dripping. And probably, like, honestly, my third of the night. And watching this video where she's, like, running her fingernails through this, on this bald head on this bald head yeah and i just remember being like you're supposed to do that like that's how sex is like you just do that you just sit someone down and then do hot stuff on them like i remember being so upset and then also she's on the bridge and she does some crazy shit she's on the table and does and does like bridge shit it's one of the most bizarre songs anyone has ever released makes no it's pure nonsense and i think it's one of the most important songs of our lifetime it truly woke something up and the fact that you bring that up is very crucial thank you so much thank you for like the the true like invitation into that moment for how do you reconcile with fergie now okay like what did

that moment do i mean i actually love fergie yes and she has had a moment recently we all know it when she sang the national anthem and completely i nailed it and i think that that moment i was upset by because then everybody was kind of tuned into this space that I thought I had found on my own. Right. Naively so. Which was Fergie is insane in every social space. Yes. And there is this video that I don't know if you.

Let's play some basketball. Let's play some basketball. Really powerful. I mean, also, can I say Fergie has had so many cultural moments I know we forget that

she's performed the Super Bowl with Black Eyed Peas and she's the only reason any of us care about the Black Eyed Peas sorry Will.i.am we forget

I'm sorry but the moment that was Big Girls Don't Cry her ballad that took over the radio Fergalicious definition made some boys go loco. Really good. Fourth of July, you and I

put up the MILF Money song. MILF Money is so fucking good. It's so fucking good. The video is whoa insane. Yeah. But it's great. Also, I have a side-by-side taken actually at SoulCycle that's me doing the Fergie cover art. Yeah. I'll show it to you

sometime. For the Duchess or Double Duchess? For MILF Money. MIL cover art. Yeah. I'll show it to you sometime. For the Duchess or Double Duchess? For MILF money. MILF money. Yeah. I will say there's this video of her doing backflips. Have you seen that video? Yep, on the Today Show. Is it like 6am? Yeah, she's singing Barracuda. She's doing a cover of Barracuda on the Today Show

doing backflips. It is absolutely insane that she does so many and then takes a singing break and then does another set down. And also just like, not full out singing, but I have to say, the moment for me of Fergie.

Be Italian. Oh my God. Be Italian. Should have been nominated. She. Should have been nominated. She. Should have been nominated. Was the highlight of the movie thrilling. What other films has she been in?

Was Nine the only one? She was in Poseidon Adventure, the remake. Yes, yes, yes. You know what makes me mad is I feel like her relationship was bad, probably. Josh Duhamel? Yeah. And I think it's unfair. Are they not together anymore?

No, that's long over. Whoa. Yeah. And I think it's unfair. Are they not together anymore? No. That's long over. I feel upset because I feel like the truth of it is that probably deeply he is a dick. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. I mean, he came from soap operas.

Did he? That's a narcissism. It's a narcissism. But it's like where it's like it should be a humility. He should feel like humble. Like, thank you for this. Yes.

He famously played Leo on All My Children. I remember watching him when he was a sprout and then he became such a thing and I remember they got married

and I thought, oh, that's such a fun relationship, I bet. And then now looking back, I'm like, I deeply agree with you. Right.

Yeah. Right? Because it's about like, okay, whenever like a couple gets older together and then he and then they break up i'm like you're mad about some like a woman aging i always think it's that but it's always like not fair to just say that but i'm like that is you you're like it's just toxic there's something wrong there that's why sarah jessica parker and matthew

broderick though they are not okay, they've made it. They've made it. Well, yeah. What's your thing that doesn't sit well with you with them? I don't think either of them have ever said anything that I'm like, oh, that's a human being. See, I totally disagree with Sarah Jessica Parker.

Okay, tell me. I relate to her very much. Really? I find her to be everything and more. Yeah. I'm obsessed with her. I relate to her very much. Really? I find her to be everything and more. Yeah. I'm obsessed with her. Do you even watch

her fry eggs on Instagram? Oh, who cares? I live for it. And also, can I tell you something? I watch Divorce. Oh, God. And I'm a fan of Divorce.

And I've recently came upon... I actually think Sarah Jessica Parker is an underrated icon and acting legend. Oh, I think that's like widely agreed upon.rated icon and an acting sub acting legend. Oh, I think that's like wildly agreed.

Carrie Bradshaw. It should not work, but it works so much. That's true. And, and I'm sorry, but one of the great television monologues, because it really,

it was the character truly changing and discovering what she really wanted was when she's with Baryshnikov in the, in the suite yeah yeah at the end and and he says i thought i i thought you knew what this was and who i was and she says i'm gonna do the whole thing well maybe it's time to be more clear about who i am i am someone who is looking for love. Ridiculous. Inconvenient. Consuming. Can't live without each other love.

And I don't think that that love is here. In this expensive apartment. In this beautiful hotel in Paris. It's not your fault. It's my fault. I shouldn't have come here. And then she leaves.

Phenomenal. That was so good. Thank you. She and I changed your That was so good. Thank you. She and I changed your mind. Yeah, you actually have. And I do think she is a really good actress. And I think that she convinces me of a lot of things I shouldn't be convinced of. That feels true.

Exactly. But you find her public persona irritating? Yes. I get that. Like, look at my closet of shoes. And it's like, what? But then I'm like, she needs it. That's not her. I get that. Like, look at my closet of shoes. And it's like, what? But then I'm like, she needs it. But that's not her.

That's Carrie. There may be some crossover with the shoe thing. Oh, in real life, she has a whole shoe closet. No, but she convinces me that that's an okay character trait, or that that's believable that someone would be like that. I will say, Matthew Broderick doesn't exude happiness and positivity to me. But that's just a vibe thing. I mean, I think he's also an icon.

I saw him at an opening of a play and that felt true. Yeah. He just doesn't, he doesn't carry the light. Yeah. But I think she does. I think Sarah Jessica Parker

has done one of the few, and it was the first, one of the few acceptable Vogue 73 questions. She did the first one. She put that shit on the map. She put that shit on the map. And I'm like, she is veryah sjp about it where she's like

describe new york in three words um or something tiny and real something uh she goes um uh uh orchestral or something symphonic tiny tiny and real and you're just like sjp i mean but but this is but also it's like you have to jive also and like that is her and like she is like and she like she like she like guides the camera up to her collection of globes and it's like yeah like you are this cool fucking lady who lives in the West Village like thank you she to

me is an icon forever I fucking love her I love her so much completely on board yeah I mean that's the thing is but here's the thing when you, when you mention SJP and Matthew Broderick, I don't think your problem is with SJP. It's with Matthew. It's with Matthew because he doesn't carry the light. And he doesn't. Yes.

But the thing is, in his performances, he so often has carried the light. Like, Ferris Bueller, that's a light-carrying performance. He's a fucking star. Where did his light go? And the producers, he carried the light in that. And so many things, it's just like, I don't know, I think maybe he's a fucking star right where it where did his light go where it is and the producers he carried the light in that and like so many things it's just like i don't know i think maybe he's just an older man now and just doesn't really give a fuck yeah settled into not caring yeah i love i think the reason i have pain there is because i really side with kim cattrall

really okay so i think kim cattrall was the person on that show who had to like literally perform naked and funny. And that's so vulnerable. She was delivering. She was selling every fucking line. Huge part of why that show worked. So good. Like wouldn't have worked without her. No.

And whenever there's three against one, I never believe the three because it's so unfair like the idea that like those three girls were hanging out and then kim cattrall feeling excluded and honestly the maybe the tallest of the group come on yeah had to go then oldest i mean oldest yeah oldest by like 10 years yeah and had to go then perform like naked sex scenes for the show where i imagine sarah jessica parker was making much more that sits badly with me yeah and the thing of like when her brother died yes sarah jessica parker like commented or posted something and she was like bitch this you're not my friend yeah i'm like that's okay yeah like you can do that like that's and if there's so much pain there I like I believe her I don't know I think that Kim Cattrall I I my assessment of this

is she she had to play a part on that show yeah that um I don't it it kind of felt good every single day. You know what I mean? And also you watch that show now and some elements are like, some episodes are like shockingly out of touch. Yeah, yeah. And like really, really, really, really crazy. And I don't think if you watch the whole thing now,

like you'd watch every storyline that she was in and feel good or happy for her character as confident and as like sex positive as she was like it had to feel and she was doing that doing that yeah every day had to feel a little weird so i 100 this woman who's in her 60s her saying no i'm not gonna do sex in the city three after sex in the city two was what it was just because y'all want to do it and just because like you have a script and you want the money i am at an age now where not only have i been doing it for decades over two decades but it's just like not what i want to do anymore. Like, because my, my function here is different than yours.

Like I'm like essentially the sexual joke here. Yeah. And they did give her some good storylines towards the end of the show. But like, you know, those were few and far between. And so her being a woman in her sixties, if she says she doesn't want to do it,

that's fucking it. Yeah, totally. There shouldn't be, people shouldn't know that she said no, that she's it. Yeah, totally. There shouldn't be, people shouldn't know that she said no, that she's the only one who said no. Exactly. There shouldn't be that.

And it's like to guilt her, like for there to be a, like literal international conversation about whether or not she's grateful or acting. Like she said no, y'all. That's it. Also, like she said at times, like playing that role,

like was the reason for her marriage not working. Fuck. I mean, that's also sort of probably a deeply sexist thing. I'm sure there's other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also whoever her husband was was probably like, you're my girl. Was it real Duhamel about it? Was it real Josh Duhamel about it?

Honestly, here we go again. And I feel like that's's unfair too to like uh does i i can imagine being like this is something i want to fucking leave behind my naked body's been literally everywhere for like so long yes let me be also like doing saying something saying yes to something 25 years ago she might not even say yes to that now she can be a totally different person now nowadays she's just like fucking loving doing like british tv and like plays and shit like she could be a totally different person nowadays she's just like fucking loving doing like British TV and like plays and shit like she is in a good place and she knows where she should be

at this age and also not for nothing but to be synonymous with the character of Samantha like because she is synonymous with that character like people wouldn't even be able to tell you the difference between her and that character because she's so iconic yeah that's just like she has every right to say,

guys, no. Yeah. She, she was on, I remember she went on Piers Morgan's talk show, like right after the whole fallout. And like,

you just, Piers Morgan's, whatever, fuck him. But she, she is like, you do, you watch that interview and she's just like,

yeah, like it, it was just really hurtful. Like just be doing that show with, I guess the clickiness of it, like was really hurtful. And doing that show with i guess the clickiness of it like was really hurtful and you you just you watch that and you're like she's you believe you just believe it you believe it i also i also will say i don't believe that sjp cynthia nixon and chris and davis are like bad people i just think that some people get along and some people don't

like they're your colleagues they they were extremely good at what they did you believe that the four of them were best friends ride or dies yes but that is what that is you have to remember like the relationships that you see on screen are not the relationships off screen that is their job yes they're really talented and good at what they do but like they don't owe us anything and they don't owe each other anything yeah yeah yeah like that totally that's that and that's like that and also after that second movie it's like what was what the fuck was the story like for samantha in this movie her like she gets split in half because she gets fucked so hard like seriously what was she gonna have that would have been great that would have been really good yeah she's like

ouch i see split me in a house honey someone call the doctor all right well I'm eating eggs and of course SJP would have like the punchline like okay well

let's okay well I'm getting eggs yeah yeah it's 10 a.m. like why yeah Kristen Davis

Kristen I love her and I am attracted to her yes are you she's hot she's hot

she was fucking phenomenal in the first movie no no oh so good so good um it to her. Are you? She's hot. She was fucking phenomenal in the first movie. No! No! Oh so good. So good. I think it's time.

I think it might be fucking time. I think it's time for the moment. I mean I think Ava is a true veteran of the form. I mean who could

forget Vanessa Carlton? Yeah. She fucking tore apart Vanessa Carlton a thousand miles. Thank you. And then the first show what did you do? I did Chrissy Teigen. Chrissy Teigen. Oh I loved that one. Thatton a thousand miles. Thank you. And then the first, the first show, what did you do?

I did Chrissy Teigen. Chrissy Teigen. Oh, I loved that one. That was a good one. I will say I have, those ones I did ultimately prepare. And this one's sort of just going to be,

I actually currently do not have one. Um, I had one a moment ago and let me let it, I'm letting it come back to me. Um, Ooh, no, lost it. Okay. Got it. Got it. I'm ready. Okay. This is Matt Um, Ooh, no, lost it.

Okay. Got it. I'm ready. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony is time starts now. I don't think so. Honey.

Um, uh, newsboy hats. Oh, I don't think these worked when Brittany was doing it. And when Brittany was doing it, that was like the moment for newsboy hats. And I actually don't think so.

Honey, that they ever even worked on her. No, they certainly don't work on you reader listener yes um i do not think so honey that they work on you in the year of our lord 2019 so the thing about the newsboy um cap is that that is also a ridiculous name um there let's call them news people hello there's a lot of different people that um that deliver the news yeah also the thing is like those little bills are too small and not functional i don't think so honey if you think that's getting the sun out of your eyes they're purely for style and here's the thing about fashion it shouldn't i shouldn't look at it and say oh that's a stylistic choice it should be sneak attack five seconds i think it's functional so i don't think so honey newsboy caps um you burnt you burnt that's one minute that was

amazing you know what i don't think so true if your fashion does not pretend to be something else right that's embarrassing yeah here's the thing it's like it's like there's a reason why people are like oh my god and it has pockets because pockets are functional. Whenever you're watching, I almost said Topshop, whenever you're watching Project Runway and Nina Garcia will be like, and are those pockets? They'll be like, they are pockets, and the model will go in and it'll be like, oh my God. I love it.

It's editorial. It has pockets. It's important because it's functional. Newsboy caps those little bills. It's important because it's functional. Newsboy caps, those little bills, it's nothing. And it doesn't look good, and so what's up? Right, exactly. And so what are we doing here? A wool hat, that keeps you warm.

A baseball cap, that keeps the sun out of your eyes. Newsboy, nothing. Sorry, but the Newsboy caps is nothing. We should point out, for people not familiar with Project Runway, it is the top chef of fashion. it is the top chef of fashion. It is the top chef of fashion. Imagine exactly top chef but on a runway.

Yes, yes. Is Nina Garcia still on Project Runway? Yes. That is crazy. She is so, I'll say it, mean. Yeah, she's one of the meanest people

in America and also she is an icon. And she should be done for Snatch Game. She's hot too. She should be done for Snatch Game. She's gorge and she doesn't age.

She's like, I hate it. It's not editorial she's gorge and she doesn't age she's like I hate it it's not editorial you can't wear it where is she going where is this girl going and there's no pockets I don't want to see it I mean this is disgusting turn around

what's the back how she treats the models is insane yeah she's mean to them she's like turn around turn back around first of all

this girl is too tall and she looks enormous. Your model looks enormous. No. She does though. You just watch the model like a little light leave her eyes. Oh, fuck. Oh my God. Damn.

Yeah. Here we go, Bowen Yang. I got something. It's Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. He will do it starting now. I Don't Think So Honey skincare toner. What the fuck is your problem? What do you do?

And look, people say it's fancy water. It's supposed to even out your skin tone. How? What is in the water, the toner, that's actually going to benefit my skin tone? And the community is divided on whether or not you put a few droplets onto a cotton pad and wipe, wipe, wipe. Or if you spray, because now this new trend is happening where you're supposed to spray out of a bottle. But if you're not wiping away the impurities, then where does it go? What does it do?

There's no, you know, thing. There's no resistance for you to pull down the impurities. Exfoliant. Thank you so much, Ava. I don't think so many toner, the community doesn't agree on what you are and what you're supposed to be doing

and the job you're supposed to be doing. And B, I think it's a scam. I think it's a scam for skincare companies to put water in a bottle and sell it to you at a premium.

Five seconds. So I don't think so many skincare toner. I will just stick to my Cetaphil. Thanks, bitch. And that's what I'm at. I am at a complete loss

with what to put on my face and what not to put on my face okay go I don't know and I have the worst I'll say it skin in the world

don't look now no I do but when somebody has bad skin that's a sign that they know about skin care just so you know really

because I have bad skin so I've had to learn yeah and if you've had perfect skin the thing is it's sad for you because you're never going to actually learn so that's something i think you're supposed to i don't know what toner

is either and i don't understand when like it doesn't make sense that a product could either be wiped away or not that makes absolutely no sense you're supposed to wash your face thank you and then you're supposed to honestly maybe put on a serum. Yeah. Which isn't the same as toner. Isn't the same as toner, but there's also the disagreement on conventions with serum, whether you put it before or after your moisturizer. Yes. I always pocket it with, and then I put moisturizer on last.

I think, and that's the correct way. Do you know the podcast Natch Buttes? No. So she has been a guest on our show. She did a really good episode with us and I was on her show in LA. She has a great podcast where if you guys listening have any questions about skincare, I'm sure that she can answer them.

Actually, our episode was a lot about skincare and it was really great. So if you want to become as knowledgeable as Ava Victor. Maybe I should make a Natch Butte. You should make a competing Natch Butte. Would that be cool? Jackie Johnson, I should say.ie johnson so here moving on okay here we go okay i don't know okay no i do know

we'll see where we go okay cool okay this is ava victor's i don't think so honey her time starts now i don't think so honey when you need gatorade and are under the weather and don't have someone you're dating what the fuck is up with you being sick and single and not having someone to fetch your gatorade if you need gatorade you need to be in bed but if you're in bed you need gatorade and if you don't have a significant other or even a close friend if she's out of town natalie then you need gatorade and you can't get it that's not fair if you need gatorade you're insane because the way that tastes if you're not sick is so fucking bad.

It tastes like salty dirt. And you know what? If you need Gatorade, you basically need to go to the hospital. So if you are my ex, if you don't have a significant other and you get sick, that's a problem. you should call 9-1-1 probably to have them come pick you up because it's more likely okay well let's look

at our list oh yeah the only thing a relationship is good for is when you're sick and you know what that's it i don't think so honey whatever i said and that's one minute thank you so much absolutely really clean I would say that that is such a beautiful thing when you have someone to take care of you when you're sick

and that is another thing that gets lost in the tragedy that is breakup is that getting that person and knowing what that feels like and then losing that

is like tragedy tragedy tragedy you are literally the best singer in the entire world. This is psycho for you to say. I think it's true. Have you ever heard of Andrea Bocelli?

No. Fucking self-burned Andrea. Self-burned Andrea. Well, that was huge. I would say Gatorade tastes absolutely bad, but if you had to do a flavor of Gatorade, what flavor is it? And you know which one it is.

It's yellow. No. It's not. It's blue. What the fuck? Is it light blue? It's light blue. Okay, it's actually light blue.

But what's your B with dark blue? Okay. Grape. It's grape. It's disgusting, and grape sucks. Dark blue stains. Hello. Oh, sure.

Light blue is newer. Light blue is newer. Light blue is newer. And it comes in a curvy bottle. Baby blue. Get with it. And yellow is a classic. I used to have it at soccer practice. Green.

That's a brag. Also, wait. Red. No. Red, baby. Honey red. Yes. One time.

You might as well get it like an icy. It's actually real culture number 43. No, no, no. I won't say it. Honey red. Say it. Holy shit. It's actually real culture number 43. No, no, no. I won't say it. Honey red. Holy shit. It's real culture number 43. Honey red.

No, one time red Gatorade spilled in my lunchbox when I was little. And it just, and it clung onto me. And fruit punch clung onto me. It's fruit punch. It's fruit punch. And I have. Love that. I have never been able to like really remove myself from the trauma of that moment.

You have never yelled at a girl like this. I have never yelled at a girl like this. Wow. I mean, I think we really covered the whole fucking gamut this episode. We started off really vulnerable and like raw. We started truly from a place of vulnerability, which was a topic.

And then we cracked that open and let everyone know who exactly we were. And when they got to know who we were that is when we we went into the messages of culture and that's actually

exactly what happened that's exactly what happened Ava thank you so much for being on this journey with us is there anything that you even want to say to people

not to them to you thank you as fucking hell as fucking hell thank you to fucking hell amazing this is wonderful we we are obsessed i i i have high key just fucking you know i stand and i stand in turn

and turn and i stand in turn and holy shit good night good night holy shit good night and actually um there is a song that we're gonna sing right now because we do end every episode with a song. Tragedy, tragedy, tragedy. It's a tragedy when somebody dies. It's a tragedy when somebody cries. It's a tragedy when all these things mess up your day, mess up your life. It's a tragedy. Oh, God.

Oh, God. your life is a tragedy oh god oh god oh god god god god yeah god you're real god you exist god god god God, you exist. God. God. God. God. Forever. Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production.

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