Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gagged Up" (w/ Hilary Duff)

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

We're in luck... or something today because Hilary Duff is making her Las Cultch debut! In addition to going back, back to the beginning, HIlary chats with Matt + Bowen all about her new album, the Lucky Me tour, listening to your children sing adult lyrics (its art, relax!), sampling Blink 182, the Spice Girls as examples of "women in all their different vibes", "So Yesterday" as unbothered anthem and when Hilary told homophobes to knock it off and it worked! Also, Grease, Pretty Woman, TGIF culture and connecting with a certain childhood ex-boyfriend through a psychic. All this, growing up alongside an audience, muggy New York City apologism *and* criticism, "dying on that hill" and the boom of the robots that we are all currently experiencing. London! Paris! Maybe Tokyo! But DEFINITELY Las Culturistas! WAKE UP and stream the album and see the tour! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My eye on. Oh, my. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas calling. Ding dong, Las Coulteristas calling. We're here. Lucky us.

Or something. Or something. Well, the tour is called Lucky Me. Lucky everybody. Lucky World. They went like that. Yeah. Sorry.

I was very slow to the draw. I kind of... I'm sorry to myself. You've already upset our guess. We have to earn back the trust. We've got to earn back the trust. Well, how about this? I've been streaming the album nonstop.

I love it. It's like you didn't know how much you missed. And then, of course, Spotify does the thing where it's like if you go, go on the top 10 stream. It's like we're getting these new bops and then suddenly you'll just hear. There's a suggestion. A lyrical suggestion. Let's go back, back to the beginning.

At which point you have no choice but to do that. We've been documented on this program. It has that the lyric of back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all aligned. Kind of like today. Yeah. That's poetry. The subways did not align for me. Yeah.

Anybody know what I'm talking about? Can I get an amen? Did you have a subway problem today? Yes. Oh, you're asking? I thought you're asking, putting it to the room. No, you. Yeah, of course, but it's fine.

No, it's New York. I don't really want our guests to have, to, like, really weigh in on this because it's like, I think it's a space that is beneath her. But to have the remix of Come Clean on at the club, at like 4 a. Oh, forget it. I've never known more joy.

And you've never seen... No, I'm dead ass. Yeah. Never been happier in my life. Stone cold, sober. It's 4 a.m. I'm sober. Trust me. And I've never felt more joy.

I never felt more joy just connecting about famed Los Angeles eatery. Casa Vega. With our guest just now. And she might get me to do something called Bunda. Bunda. Bunda.

B-O-N-D-A. Nope. She's speaking. her head. Okay, well, all that and more is going to be revealed on this episode. This is truly, I mean, I know everyone that listens to this podcast has waited for this day. We certainly have. You've seen her everywhere lately because who wouldn't want to celebrate this moment? Like, back in HD, she did a concert last night and her initials. I'm like, great. Yeah. No better two letters together. You're happy to see HD. Actually, MR is on my socks.

Mr. Maggie Rogers sent me these socks. Oh, that's cute. And because we're the only people with MR. But we're not talking about MR today. We're talking about... About H.D. We're talking about a legend in the culture, a paragon. We're so happy she's here.

Everyone welcome. Hillary Jove! I'm feeling great about myself. Yeah. Prepare, lock-in. Thank you guys for that. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you.

Spell check on Bunda. Bunda. Oh, okay. It's a German word, I believe. Or it's like a German, maybe was born in Germany. Okay. The concept of the workout Bunda. B-U-N-D-A with the two little dots on top of the W-W.

Those two little dots are so important always. And I think you need to say it like... Bunda. There you go. Okay, well, it did live inside me. I think maybe I put too much sauce on Bunda. Bunda. Bunda.

I liked it. Yeah. How's the show last night? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bunda. The show was awesome. It was a, you know, it was a cute, like, radio scaled down kind of little fan experience. And it was great.

I'm going to come in hot with this question. Okay. Okay, so lucky me first tour since dignity. Yeah. First tour as a parent. Yeah. What are you preemptively annoyed about logistically traveling with the family? I'm absolutely terrified, too.

I'm going to tell you a quick story. I'm going to try not to like make it too long. I was in rehearsals and surprises are tough for me. Like, of course I love a surprise. Are we talking like a present? So excited for a present. Astrologically, where do we live? I'm a Libra.

Okay. Yes. I need to. have understanding of everything. And we understand that. And then I can be really excited for the surprise. But like, I'm got to process it first. And so my, my husband and my tour manager stopped rehearsals. And they were like, we have a surprise. You've got to come outside. I come outside. We're walking down the street. I see a giant tour bus. And I was like, is this a surprise? And they're like, yes. Like, let's go check it out. Because this is going to be where we're living for

eight weeks in the summer. And I was like, I walked inside. I was like, there's no kitchen. There's no, there's just like slots for beds. Four of us are going to be four kids. Sorry, lots of other adults. But like, what? It was panic. All panic set in. So then I relate to this completely as a Libra rising.

Okay. How do you express that without being like, thank you so much. This is so exciting, but also where the hell is the kitchen? Okay, I had like a huge, like fake smile plastered on my face and I was just like, I love the slots. I'm looking for the storage. Like, kids come with so much shit. Yeah.

And also there's like no pooping on the bus. I'm like little kids just whenever they have to. I know. You got to poop on the bus. Well, you can't. It's a rule. It's a written rule. So I'm like, how many times are we going to be stopping throughout the night?

It's all terrifying. What are the age ranges? Okay. Two to 13. Yeah. Come on, Wikipedia. Almost 14. Yeah.

I have a 14-year-old son this month. Whoa. And a 5-year-old this month. And then a 7 and a 2. It's going to be fun. gonna figure it out. That thing's gonna be crashed. Trumbs everywhere. Literally crumbs everywhere. Guns and roses

have nothing on your family. Exactly. That's right. Trashing torbus. Yeah. I loved the video that you did with your son. Oh my gosh. That was so good. He's so cute. I mean when he was hunking my jersey, I thought he was gonna be like,

that's cool. And he was like, that's not it. That is not it. I was like, rude. Rude. So rude. When the camera's in their face, they want to embarrass the parents. I think that's what it is. I think that's the kid logic. Same. All I want to do is embarrass him and watch him get shy and like turn red. Well, you kind of got there. You were like, you like my music.

He's like, mm-hmm. Because it's mommy and daddy's music. Not his dad, but he likes math music too. He's really into a hip-hop, you know, kind of thing right now. I was thinking back to when we were like, because obviously, like, walked down memory lane. It was like you and then all this like hardcore like rap and R&B were the charts. Yeah.

It was like that was coexisting on that at the time. Okay, who? Remind me who. It was like jaw rule. This was like. Love Jarl rule. No, no. This was back in the day.

Jaw rule radio is amazing on Spotify. I got to just ride that out. It's a real happy like clapping through this day kind of vibe. Of course. And Jarl rule was on Mad TV. as a guest once. And he was legitimately great. He was?

Yes, anyway. But it was, okay, so this is the time. I'm like, was he in front of me on the charts or below me on the charts? It was always about Jarl and Hillary Dodd. You know what I mean? It was like jockeying for position. I remember. I don't remember what album it was.

Maybe not dignity. I don't know. Mary J. Blige was like ahead of me. And then the next week I got ahead of her. And I remember it being like, yes. but also like love Mary Jay. Of course.

It's like it's a thing of like you have so much respect. You're like, God, I'm so happy to do all on the charts, but Mary Jay. Yeah. It's like that's real love. That's like that's Mary Jay Blige. But I feel like I feel like now the concept of charts to me, you're on top of it. You keep track of it. I don't really care.

But of course, I'm not on the other side of it where I'm like you have people from the label or whoever. Yeah, what is the thing with charts now? Is it like of paramount importance to labels and is it important to you? Like, how do you feel about the charting of it all? I think if I said I didn't care, it would be a lie. Yeah. But I have never, that's never been, even like radio singles. I never had like a ton of love there.

So mine was always like fan connection and like touring. Yeah. So the fans showed up for me. I toured a whole bunch. and like that that business like got very massive for me quickly. I do care. You want your work to be like observed. But I don't think it's that important.

And I think a lot of things come into play. You know, like every, like every industry now, it's a thing. But the labels are excited when, you know, it's doing well. It's hard. It's a hard industry. So any kind of like accolade or exciting number that you land on is. Great for morale. Yeah, of course.

Well, okay, the thing that we can like it to is like, this little show breaks into like the top 80 every now and then. 50. 50. You can get up there. But so maybe, so maybe just to like to make this about me for a second. Like I think it's, I'm with you. It's like it's nice.

I would be lying if I was saying it didn't matter. Yeah. But the connection among the listenership and the fans and the community is, is I would take that. over. 100%. I agree with that. I agree with that because that stuff comes and goes and you see it for a week.

Yeah. And it's just, it can be a great splash. But other than that, like the meat is like the connection and the people that are showing up. And that's the reason why you do it, right? You're doing it because you love it. Yeah. Have you remained connected to people that you like recognize from like way back that were fans? And then like now you're like, I wonder if you do any shows now when you're like, oh my God, wait, hold on a second.

Yeah. Like. I definitely do. There's those people. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, you're still here. I can't believe we're still here.

It's profound. It is. It is. And the amount of people that are showing up to the shows with like literal old Polaroids from my meet and greet used to be you get a Polaroid picture and you say hi and you leave. So they have the Polaroid picture. Yeah. And it's really sweet.

Oh, that's the best. And also for them, I mean for everyone, I feel like on this album you're dealing with like, it's like you turn around and you're like, oh my God. Yeah. we are talking about our boyfriend who's now dating someone that looks like 21, 22 years old. It's like we actually did grow up and now have these things in common too. Uh-huh. I just love songs that just let your ex know you have their number.

Yeah. I have the receipts. Yeah. I actually know that you're out there like doing the, doing the cliche stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And why? Are you doing okay?

Like clearly from the outside where you're not doing, you're not doing great. Yeah. Do you ever hear? It's like topical. You're like, this is topical. Yeah. My kink is karma by Chapel Rhone. Obsessed.

Obsessed. Obsessed. My kids love it. And I am like... We share this. They're sick. Yes. I don't, you know, they don't really like read too much into lyrics, but they say all the words.

Like, that happened. So then as a parent, you're like listening to this, you're listening to your kids talk about these really deep. Concepts? Kind of dark concepts. Like, it's nice to like that. They're just detached from it, though. Yeah. May May's favorite song of my record,

the one that she always requests, is holiday party, which starts out with like, in my head you live another life for you fuck on my friends. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's very, just like a very heady, can I say that?

Of course, yes. A very heady song about, like, anxiety and you making up what you know must be true even though it's not. Yeah. Anyway, she just blows through the lyric. and I'm like, you know, we're in the arts. So there's a time and a place.

Is that how you justify it? Yeah. What are they going to do? Also, we have a teenager in the house. We have a big spread of kids. I always joke that like none of the moms at school will want their kid to be friends with towns, the baby, because she's the fourth child. She's going to know all the things.

Of course. The fastest, the earliest. Yeah. You know, she's going to be the one spread and then she's going to leave the charge. Yeah. But someone has to live. lead the charge among that age group. They do. But I feel like if it was my first child and I, like, Luca had like all the kid glove handling. Yeah. Yeah. That I would be like, stay away from that

child that has all the siblings and knows all the things. You know what I mean? Towns has the receipts. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, we handle lyrics like that because we try to have a lot of conversations in our house and just skirt around, you know, some of the ones that they're not ready for yet. But art is art. And, you know, we're constantly listening to. music and writing and doing this thing, so they've got to be exposed to it. I think some of the serious ones on the record, which was like giving head in the back of the bar or whatever,

people came for me so hard. And they were like, do you do that in front of your children? I was like, mm-mm. Definitely not. Yeah, yeah, bring them in. That's a pariscial thing, though, I think. I really do. And I feel like you must experience that to such a degree.

Because, like, when someone feels like they know you, they get a little bit more, like their guard goes up about themselves about something like that because we don't contextualize like any of these pop girls in terms of lyrics like that but I feel like when someone...

Do you think because they don't have kids? Maybe. Maybe. I think a lot of projection happens when you've grown up with the person. You know what I mean? Yes. You must feel that way.

For sure, yeah. There's parts of my... I mean, I've said this before, but there's parts of my identity to people that haven't grown because of the character hasn't grown. A hundred percent. You know?

Much of your identity that haven't grown. Yeah. Like in people's minds. Yes, absolutely. That they're like, oh, she's that from Cinderella story or Lizzie or whatever, you know, and that character never grows up. So like, I can't. Right.

You know? That is, it's an interesting thing. Like, I remember, like, a few years ago, like, um, when the Lizzie McGuire reboot was happening, I was so on your side when you were like, we have to have this person be an adult woman. Yeah. What do we think? I know.

Well, yeah, I mean, just it was the only thing that made sense to me. It was like she's got to be doing 30-year-old things. Not 14. Yeah. Also, there's been an app... This press store, there's been an absence of love for younger. And I just want to say shame on everyone. Because that was a great American television series.

Did you happen to see the clip on my Instagram? You weren't watching my stories this morning. I'm kidding. I was streaming the album this morning as I have been. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. We'll take all the streams we can get, babe. She cares. One of my best

friends in life I made on that show it's Molly Bernard. She's the redhead. Lauren. She was at my show last night, absolutely going off. And some fan caught it on camera and it's so cute. The best. She's like Full circle mom.

My friend's a pop star. I know. Because she hadn't been able to see that. No. That's pretty special. She's only seen me in my mother bearing years, my child bearing years and very different than that part of my past. It's so back, though. Like, I mean, when you came in,

the first thing we gushed you was how great you were on the Tonight Show. And you said you had fun doing it. I did. I'm having a lot of fun. I mean, the amount of work is crazy. And there are days where you're like, how do I get through this? And now you're going to go do hot ones.

I know, which I'm so excited about, but I'm terrified. And then the kicker of it all is I'm getting on a plane after. Oh. So wow, this is... Because you can poop on the plane, not like a bus. But I don't want to. You're going to have to.

There comes a point where everyone gets to a certain point where you're like, okay, all my life I've not pooped on the plane, today's the day. Today's the day after Holland. And then you meet yourself in that moment. And then you move forward. I will keep you posted on what happens when we take our Boondah class together. I will. See, the thing about taking a workout class together, though, is that is the great equalizer.

We got dinner with someone last night who, was waiting in line at the bathroom at some event and then... I hate waiting in line. No, no, no, no, no, no. She goes in and there's like, the seed is like dappled and stuff. And then she goes... Peepy?

A little bit of that. And then she was like, in her mind she was like, that wasn't her. It was the person before. And she, like everybody else beforehand, just hovered and squatted. You know what I mean? And like...

I have this weird thing that... People follow me to the bathroom my entire life. Fuck. Yeah. I would imagine. I got eyes on Hillary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So I would, even if it wasn't mine, clean it. Because I don't want people thinking it was me. I do the same, same, same, same. Tons of toilet paper around me. I'm cleaning, clean it, clean it, okay. It's spotless when I leave. And then sometimes, spotless one, yes, correct. I feel the same way I will even wipe down the countertop sometimes.

Oh, your whole thing. A big thing. And then the other thing is, what if it was an unruly flusher that sprayed the seat? Oh, forget it. Sometimes I like to give people the benefit of the day. out if I can't see the color, I'm like, well, it was the flusher. It was the water. Experience Bruno Mars, live in Toronto.

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Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen, and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years.

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there folks, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes here. And we know there is a lot of news coming at you these days from the war with Iran to the ongoing Epstein fallout, government shutdowns, high profile trials, and what the hell is that Blake lively thing about anyway? We are on it every day, all day. Follow us, Amy and TJ for news updates throughout the day. Listen to Amy and T.J. on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Tonight show was phenomenal. You were saying earlier, like unlike other things, because we relate to this, it's like, oh, that was actually fun. Yeah. And you're saying you're having fun.

Yeah. Are you able to identify, like, the different thing this time? Like, this go around. Like, what is making it fun? Okay. One, I have a dream team sent from God. I'm, like, loving everyone that surround me right now. And that feels really good.

Good. Not that it's been, like, bad before. But just this is like, I'm having fun. We hang. Like, we try to, you know. pepper in fun normal things that aren't just constantly like work and fluff. Yep. I'm so tired of glam and I love my glam.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. But getting makeup and hair done right now, I'm just like... I know. Yeah, you dissociate. And complaining about that sounds so lame. No, no, no, no. Because I know friends that would be like, I would love to have my glam done every day. But there's something about being stuck in the chair and unable to do anything during that time

that you just like feel really crappy, especially as a parent. If I'm sitting in my house, and I want to be around so my kids feel like I'm around that day and I'm getting glammed. I feel like it's so tragic. I feel like they must...

I'm desperate for them to not look back and be like, mommy got glammed all the time. My memories of my mother where she was upstairs and glam. Yes, yeah. Like, that haunts me a little bit. Never.

Can we bounce back to Fallon for a second? Yes, I had this crazy like leg moment. I love the leg. But let's zoom in on a picture from the leg at some point. you guys, I have a sock mark. Stop! If that doesn't sum up,

if that doesn't sum up me trying to exist as a pop star in Hollywood is like my sock mark that... First of all, the sock mark, no one was ever going to notice it because you know it was on point, your hairography. Oh. Hairography on 10 at the tonight show.

Okay, that happened fast. The wet look. In the right light. And it happened. It really like the hair landed. And then of course, we got the classic iconic. We're on all fours and we give us.

That was really well done. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, can I ask you, you walking around in a house that's falling apart while it's raining, is that a callback? It was a slight callback.

We grabbed a moment. A little nod to the past. That house was fucked up and falling apart. I was like, girl, get out of there. The director built, had his crew. By the way, we filmed that right before Christmas.

So there was like not that many people around who wanted to work. And he got this like skeleton crew together and they built that house just like a four wall house somewhere in like Pomona amongst like mustard greens. And the house actually like fell apart.

It was really cool. Like on purpose. It was like gagged like rigged like that. Sure, sure. I was like whoa. This still happens. People spend this money sometimes. I love that it was gagged like that.

That is a new expression you just created. The house was all gagged up gagged up Yeah Maybe it's a title of up Gagged up Wait Should we trade market?

Yes I wanted to ask One of my favorite parts Of the whole album Is your Blink sample Yes That was an inspired choice I want to know how this came

Yeah okay Well Blink is When I like close my eyes And I think about Getting my driver's license And like my first taste of freedom Blink was on the radio You're feeling this

Yeah yeah feeling this Yeah so it's a real nostalgic wink. And then I actually Matt had the idea to sample that song. And I was like 100% yes. So how do we do that? How do we, do we just pay them?

Do they have to approve it? Can they say no after I've like fallen in love with this song and we've written this beautiful like love song to my best friend? Yeah. And he's like, well, you just give them all the publishing. Like, okay, great. They can just have it. They just have it.

And it was like worth it enough to me to have on the record because I'm, I live for that song. Yeah. It does something to me. They're all so sweet. Have you ever, like, connected with, like, Mark Hopp. They're the best. They're the best.

I run into Mark at Sushi of the Valley. Of course. Often. I feel like I'm driving off the road constantly on Ventura because I like to redesign what I would put, how I would design this strip of the valley. Yeah. I'm like, we could use this there. That should be a private club.

That should be, like, that motel that's on. off of cold water and like Ventura. Yeah. I'm like, can't we make this like a cool dinner club? And have like, I just like to redesign everything. You really should be mayor. And I'm like, how has this survived here for so long? Get this one out of here.

I have these questions. And then the good stuff leaves us like oil can Harry's. Oh. Oil can Harry's was such a vibe. It was the definition of vibe. Don't try to bring your drink on the dance floor. The people that go there every night are like, no, no. get your drink off the dance floor.

Okay, so you were up in Oil Can Harry's. Yes, sis, I was. What were your years of this? OCH. 10 years ago? Like 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay.

That was the peak. That was like, I felt like I. How about when you walk into Oil Can Harry's and then it's like massive? You're like, what? I know. This is hiding in here? I've had some of my best like shouldn't have made out with that person makeouts there. Yes.

And now I never will again. Oh, that's sad. See, you need these spaces. You should open this up in the value, on that strip. New oil can Harry's. Like Hillary now presents Oil can Harry's 2.0. Like that's, that's, I can see it all. Gagged up ventures.

Gagged up. That's my LLC or whatever. That's your LLGED up. That's so bad. Wait, I have a question about tonight show just to go back to this. Okay. Okay. This is my question.

Okay. Because you're changing the lyrics because it's television from, you know, giving head, kissing your neck. Yes. Did you giggle at that? I didn't giggle. I was like, oh, that's a great tasteful, like, alt. But I am always terrified as the songwriter, singer, person, while there's a camera in my face, I'm going to sing the, like, the uncensored lyric.

Can I tell you what helped me? Yes. So I did this every time I... Uh-huh. Great. And it helped me... That's not something I, like, typically do. Nomonic Queen.

When I'm performing that song, because I'm not singing that lyric. So I like did like, back at the da-fuck You indicated. Yes, I indicated. Yeah. And then with, gave myself a mental note. Did you still say touching myself? I did because I was like, the amount of jerk off jokes that like comedians have probably

had in your show, like, come on. No. You're going to let me do it. See, when you, when you fight for it, they just want to see you fight. And then once you do it, they're like, all right. You just want to know I'm scrappy. Yeah. But you're not like, I would be terrified.

The alts were so funny. Of course. They always are. to figure out what the alt was for giving you head. We were like kissing your friend. Yeah. I was like that changes the whole

of course. Making your bad. It is funny when you kids boppify everything and it becomes like... Kids bopify. That's really what it is. Do you kids bopify the album? I have.

I have. I've had to do all the alps, yeah. But kids boppify is like a level below that or beyond that where it's like it's about sleepovers and snacks and you know playtages. There's no sleepovers anymore Bowen it's a sleep under. No one lets their kids sleep over at anyone's house anymore. Is that true? Is this real? I was going to say I don't know

because I will say what has changed and let me know if you think this is true. Everything? Well everything yes but Halloween. Oh like your kid you can't just dive into your candy. No I feel like what it is is it's like but I will say our friend Jared lives in Studio City so it is actually really cute over there because it's like the mecca for Halloween and like trick or treating but it just felt like for a few years there I don't know if it's because people were a little bit looking at each other sideways a little bit because of our you know you know political and social reality

but it felt like trick or treating took a dive like kids were not like hit in the neighborhood like they used to do I used to run with my little sack like going by myself yeah it's a different time but our parents have like always said it's a different time now and now we're saying it And it's just like, I think something that happens. But it is. Like, it's, I would never send my kids out trick or, well, Luca goes out with his friends now. And I don't know how much like trick or treating they're doing. They're just hanging out.

Yeah, they're just hitting the town. Yeah, but like we can track him on his phone. That's right. You know, but like the girls, like we're trick or treating with them. And, you know, we do that really lame thing where basically we like take their candy away the next day. And do what with it? They call it a, eat it. No.

Oh, yeah. No, they call it a switch witch or switch witch. Can you Google that for me? Where you, the kids get to have their fun with the candy the night and they get to like go ham and we let them. We're not a household that's like restrictive. Yeah. So, but if they put their Halloween candy bucket like outside, the like witch comes and like leaves them. You sure.

A stuffy or a toy or whatever and takes like the candy. There's a value trade. Yeah. And I, we have a lot of treats throughout the week. And I realize that treats are just like, you know, it's fun. Yeah. But I rather it be an experience that we're going out to like get a treat and like do it with people that we have fun with. Yeah.

Than just like dipping into a bag of candy for the next month. Because that, that's like stoner culture. We're not going to, we're not doing all that in the family. We're not doing all that. Doing all that. I think it's time to ask the question. We have to ask the question. The question?

The question. This is the central question of lost culture. This is the big one. Hillary Duff, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? I have given this question so much thought. I knew it. And I was like, what angle do I approach? Because there are so many.

There are so many. And we're willing to hear all angles. Yes. I have one prepared. Follow your heart. I am going to say the spice girls. Thank God for you. You've done it.

As someone else said the Spice Girls. In the history of the show, I feel like probably, but not today. So, of course, I wanted to be Baby Spice. But the Spice Girls for me was my first concert. And the first time I saw women and all their different vibes. Yeah. Celebrating each other, too. But, like, their expressions.

Like, sporty, posh, this, that. I was like, oh, my God. And you can be. all of them. It just depends on the day. How you wake up feeling. Yeah. You could feel like one of the spice girls.

And I was like limited to. And then we started coming out to California and like would hit Melrose. And then I could basically like imitate all of their wardrobe. Yeah. And it was a store in Santa Monica called Wild Pear. And I could, my mom wouldn't let me buy any of the really like high slutty shoes. Yeah, of course. Nine.

You were not yet at a high slutty. It was like almost like pay less how they have like boxes of shoes out. Yes, yes. But they were high heels, platforms and I could like strap them on and like go for a walk and be like I'm a fucking spice girl right now. Because that was such a huge part of the spice girl's thing was the platform shoe. And the platform sneaker. So like I could get that on Melrose and my mom let me have them. And it was so fun.

It was like hair, makeup. all the inspiration you needed was like within the spice girls yeah so and then spice world happened and then spice world happened and this is this is well documented as well yeah but like if baby is number one who who who is the the more the most frequent sort of person that you were right would identify with in other moments because you're you're waking up one day like most of the time your baby yeah do you feel like you have i feel like you're also guys maybe the lollipops yes trumpa chupa what are those called the The chuba chubs. Chubes and they were spice girls.

Yes. I would dig and dig and dig for the baby spice ones. Oh. Okay. I think the other one would be... Posh. Posh for me was a later, like a slow burn. Agreed.

Now 100%. Right? Yes. But back then, the two parts of my personality was baby and sporty. Yeah. Posh was advanced humor. Yeah. Go with me here.

Okay. So, like, when Spice World happened, I had never really been checking for Posh because for me, it's like, I'm never going to, like, gravitate towards an energy that's, like, removed and aloof. Yeah. Especially at that time. I was like, I'm excited. I want to be a part of things. And look at the rest of these girls are really going for it. Uh-huh.

But then. I'm obsessed with this. Okay. But then, watching the movie. Okay. I think my, one of my answers to this question is the scene where they're, like, doing like, an obstacle course in the movie. And it just cuts to, it's just like showing them go over the obstacle course. And then you just see Posh in heels walking along the side.

It's like, I'm not playing this game. And then all Posh's line deliveries in the movie, like when they fall in the water and she's like, this dress is dry, clean only, Melanie! I was just like, there's something about her prioritizing her glamour and being so like mean to the rest of them, but that's still being their sister that I am like deeply. of the energy of that. Like, you can't get me to care. I am unbothered.

Before we knew that word, that was poshspice. I'm adding some of that to my personality right now. Yeah, no, let me download it. Yeah, it's time. But I think you also taught people to be unbothered with so yesterday. Oh my God. Thank you. That is the original unbothered anthem.

Oh, my God. Really? You haven't heard this before? No. Haven't you heard that I'm going to be okay. You guys, once I talk. to this psychic on the phone and she doesn't know who you are. Yes.

When you call. And eventually she figured it out and she was like, are you Hillary Duff? How did she figure it out? Despite her psychic ability. Shouldn't she have known? Some of these people. Can I say? Andrew.

Go for it. Okay. She figured it out because, oh my God, this is so. I need to like call Angel and make sure she's cool with me sharing this. I'm friends with Aaron Carter's sister Angel We go our kids go to the same school She's a lovely literal angel of a person

We're very close We talk about Aaron often So I call this psychic And I like to dabble Yeah I dabble as well Two times a year I get a little wild hair He's more like a little bit like No I dabble

You dabble? Yeah Poroscope Yeah Okay Palm reader cards whatever I like it It's fun

It's fun. Yeah. Give me anything that can validate, like the path I'm on, choices I'm making. Give you a framework, yeah. Give me a little support. Anything you can use positively. I'm not living by it, like, firmly. I'm just like, let's have fun with us.

Okay, cool. Yeah, we're with you. So I call her, she's so hard to get a hold of this woman, okay? I track her down for three weeks. She doesn't let you pay. She's like, this is not my job. This has been a curse for me my whole life because she has the gift, her family, other people in her family have the gift.

I guess when she was in school, she'd look at the teacher and be like, you and your husband are going to get a divorce. Oh my God. And then she's like, oh, and she's in trouble, right? But she's like, I saw this happening, whatever. Like, I can't imagine. And then I think people with that kind of gift

maybe have to get it off their chest. I feel like it's like a burden to them unless they expel it. Yeah. So she, I get on the phone with her and she's like, oh, she's like, you have like such bright, energy. I'm so excited to talk to you today. And I was like, oh, thank you. That's so nice.

How do we start? I don't know. Should I just start asking you questions? Whatever? She's like, well, people are going to start showing up for you. And there's someone here, Aaron, a, two A's. Aaron. And I was like, oh, no, my heart. I was like, oh, my God. And she's like, I was like, is it Aaron Carter? and she's like, sure is. What the hell is he doing here? Wow. Oh my gosh. And I was like, well, that's my childhood boyfriend.

And, you know, I kind of, that would make sense to me. Yeah. And she's like, are you Hillary Deaf? Like cut to our lighter topics. And she was like, so yesterday, help me through my breakup. And I will never not love you. It's like, oh my God. That's so funny.

Thank you so much. Anyway, yeah, a really wild experience. But no, I didn't know the lore behind so yesterday being, what'd you call it? The unbothered anthem of our generation. Yeah. Makes sense, yes? Absolutely. 100% it was.

At least not today. Not today. I feel like, here's the thing. The thing about you like in the way that like the place that you held in culture. And I hope that you take this as a compliment, it's like there were so many. times where, because everyone looked up to you so much, you were like, hey, this is important to

care about. Like I was thinking on the way up here. It was 2008 when your commercial for knock it off. Don't say gay came out. And I remember, so we graduated high school in 2008 and I came back from school

from NYU one time. And there was like one of my friends, older brothers, was always dogging me. I was in closet and he was always like the one that was making comments and stuff. And I remember that commercial had come out and like there was like a shift in the conversation. I know. Back that guy.

I hope he gets a real itchy disease. So he did. Extremely itchy. I haven't checked. I think I hope he's etching wherever he is. He certainly is now. I thought he's itchy wherever he is. But there was there was a moment where my and my one friend had never stuck up for me when

these things happened. Usually it was like that thing. The brother that was your friend never stuck up for you to his brother? It was my girlfriend. It was like one of my like girlfriends, not, I didn't have a girlfriend. Okay. But like female friend. And it was her older brother that was saying this stuff all the time.

And I remember she was like, I was in the other room and she, for the first time ever was like, what do you care if he's gay? Like what do you get what does it matter? Like and no one was ever saying anything like that. So there was like a turning point. Not to say that you were single handedly because the reason why. but like I think that like Yeah, back then it was like the word was even No one was saying

Yeah This is not cool to say Right everyone was saying it's cool to say it Like I remember when we were in middle school In high school like Eminem was like Essentially the biggest pop star in the world Like saying these types of things on the radio Like it was popular to be homophobic

And then that turn I also remember a time where I was watching Lizzie McGuire in my kitchen And it was the episode where Because it was just on TV. No, it was on TV all the time. Can you remember that time? Yeah. Yeah. We're like, we're tuning in because it's going to be on TV right now. Yep. And if you miss it, you miss it. If you miss it, you miss it. And you had to, you had to tune in. But I remember it was the episode where Miranda was dealing with

stuff with eating. Yes. And my dad was watching over my shoulder and he was just like, what is this show? He's like, I love this show. He's like, he was a PE teacher. He's like, I want to show this to my health class. Like, there was like a lot of messages in what you did of Philly because we all respected you. You were our age, but we respected you. And when you said things that like held meaning, we listened. That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. Honestly, I hear it a lot.

And sometimes, you know, when you hear compliments over and over again, you're like, oh, yeah, thank you. But like, I receive what you're saying. Well, this is different than like your hair was incredible on the tonight show. That holds value. But this is like, it's, you're meaningful to our generation. I think when you, like, it's nice to always like have the compliment or something like, this meant so much to me. but when you get to have some framework and, like, see the picture of you and your friend and this guy giving you the older brother giving you hard time. You're like, oh, I see how that could have impacted you in a nice way and made you not feel bad or whatever.

I thought it stayed with you. I'm starting to try to, instead of, try to deflect from compliments, say, thank you. I've received that. Yeah. I have that struggle too. It's a Lieber thing, maybe. I don't know, because we have to balance it out with something. I'm over identifying with you as a Libra rising.

Rising? But it's... Well, isn't that how you see yourself rising? Yes. Well, Cheney Nicholas, astrologer, does your reading based on your rising and not your son. So my reading every day is Libra Rising. But I think it's that. It's like, oh, I have to...

You're giving me something positive. I have to counterweight that. Right. I love... My favorite part of the PSA, though, besides the message of it is that you still end it with. I love those jeans, though. Like, cute jeans, though. Like, it's still complimentary.

You're still showing love to this girl. Yeah. Like that skirt as a top, but you, but those jeans are good. That was like the young version of me. I don't think I need to like round out with a compliment anymore if someone's being a dick. Good. We're done here. We're done. Can I share my, quickly I'll just share my first exposure to Lizzie McGuire, which was, it has to do with sleepovers.

Okay. Fifth grade, heavily still in the closet with all these boys. I'm feeling something. I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on? But this was, it would be on TV, but it was also my first experience with on demand. We're like, it's like one in the morning. We're all in this Danny Wetmore's basement. And all these boys are like, we have to watch the hottest girl.

We're watching Lizzie McGuire. She's the hottest, prettiest. This girl, Hillary Duff. Oh, my God. She's so hot. So all these nine-year-olds being like, and so then we're putting, and then on their giant home theater screen, they put on Lizzie McGuire 2 a.m.

video on demand. This guy's two a. M. Whatever time it is. Lizzie McGuire. And I'm like, a wild bat.

The pay per view. Yeah. The pay per view. They have no older brothers. They had no older brothers. And they're probably earnestly watching it too. We were earnestly watching and like laughing being like, oh my God, she's so good. But it was my.

It was like a first like closet moment for me where I was like, but it was safe. You're like I don't feel like she's hot like the rest of that. No, no, no. I was like, she's beautiful. But I thought, but I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like, duh. But like,

all the boys, all the boys we had crushes on. Had crushes on you. And so we all had you in common. The sound effect for the straight male? Can you do it one more time? But like I was, but then I went,

I'm not, I'm not thinking the same thing these boys are when I look at this pretty girl. I'm thinking, oh, I want to be friends with her. We need to go shopping together. We're doing, but I just know in 20 years

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Yeah, the Olson twins were a big... Brother for sale? Only 50 cents? Only 50 cents. But just that entire series, I'm like... They were so adorable. So adorable. Brother for sale with their big eyes.

Like, you were just like, I want to be you. They had it. But that was, you're invited. They still have it. No. Well, I got my first pair of pants from the row. When did this happen? This happened about four months ago.

Wow. My stylist was like, and these are from the row. And I was like, well, like, I've made it. Well, there is a moment when you get something from the row when you're like, should I? Well, you're going to have it for life. They are life pieces because. They're sturdy. You know?

They're what? They're sturdy. Oh, yeah, sturdy. Yeah. I thought he said dirty. I was like, yeah. Excuse your mouth. In the good way.

Excuse your mouth. Excuse your mouth. What were my other options? Oh yeah, Greece. Greece was a big one for me. Yeah. Do you ever play Sandy? What I or did I?

Did you or have you? No, I haven't ever played Sandy. That would be a fun thing to do. The her and the Spandex take me away. I was like, oh my God, this. I want to put high heels on and like strut around and. It's about the shoes. And then Michelle Pfeiffer did Greece too, which was arguably

people have said this. Good. Yeah. I'm not going to say better. We're not going to argue. A lot. But people have sat in this chair and been like Greece too is better and they'll stand tent. I think I prefer watching it more.

I'm not sure I can say better. But I enjoy watching it more. Yeah. Michelle Fiver's so hot. I can't deal. There's also like a theme here in basically like I think women embodying something bigger than something larger than life. Something in your face. Yeah.

Something, some. Yeah, turning point in the woman's existence, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming into her own. You mean for me, the theme for me? I mean, I'm looking at, I'm seeing threads. Yeah, yeah. Okay, and the other one, which also falls under that category, is pretty woman.

And I watched it way too young. This was like a real crazy thing in the 90s that I think, well, when we got like snowed in, we couldn't, which is, weird because I live in Texas, but we couldn't leave the house because every once in a while it like freezes over in Texas. And we had this house, like this country house and there was really nothing to do there. And Pretty Woman was on TV and my mom was like, well, well, there's the day. We're watching it.

Yeah. And I was like, I'm obsessed. Like it was everything to me. And then the other avenue was TGI Friday. Oh. TGIF. TGIF was massive culture. Massive culture.

I can't believe they named her after Topanga Canyon. Her hair. Her hair. Oh, her hair was everything. Yeah. It was like Hillary Duff on the Tonight Show. Yeah. The amount of the like pounds of hair I had on the Tonight Show.

Oh, my God. My kids have gotten really used to just like pounds of hair laying around the house. That's going to be their memory of Mommy. Right? Just extensions everywhere. Not the glam. Just the extension. Yeah.

Well, we can only describe as Topanga Coded. Of course. Wait, oh God, it escaped me. Never mind. Wait, oh, hold on, hold on. But see,

you watching Pretty Woman and like, look how everything turned out, like, maybe it can listen to a song about whatever, you know what I mean, about anxiety

or about like a mature, you know, song title, like mature themes. It's not going to pollute their mind necessarily. No. I mean,

there's always ways to have good conversations with your kids. And I think it's totally okay to be like, hey, I would love to explain that to you someday, but that day's not today. Yeah. I don't have to answer every question. You ask me, ask me, five million fucking questions all day off. Are they question kids?

May may is. Yeah, she never stops talking. May, may, she's a conversationalist by trade. Banks is not like as much of a talker until we're having like nighttime routine and like wind down. and she wants to do like Rosent Thorn. Oh. Yeah, she's, and then I'll get a lot out of her then. Maybe just never stops talking.

Yeah. We love her for that. We love her for that, though. But like, okay. Just as an example, let's go back. But maybe this morning I'm FaceTiming her and she's like, I got to tell you something. Can I tell you something?

I'm like, just go out with it. Why do we have to ask the question before the question happens? And she's like, I'm eating a Madeline. I'm eating a Madeline. You got to tell Daddy. And she's just talking into the camera. there's like just crumbs coming out of her mouth as like a dry Madeline. Why do I need to know this?

But like also I'm obsessed with you. Keep telling me more. She's so funny. So funny. Okay. I cut you off. Well, no, no, no. Because this is all pertinent because, and I'm sure you've been asked this a million

times, a million different ways. But I'm genuinely curious that like about if you've grown up in like as a child, like being treated and handled by a bunch of different people, like does that give you this extra dimension to like how you are as a parent? how you talk to children now? Like, are you extra sensitive? Do you like, because you're, because it seems like you're very keyed into, like,

how someone that age might take in new information. Like, we'll talk about this later. Like, is this something that you're, like, internalizing, that you've internalized from being, like, a child star? Oh. I don't know. I haven't really thought about it like that. I think I have four kids.

Yeah. So I've had a lot of practice. And I, like, say sorry to Luca all the time, because I'm like, we just fucked up. I don't know. Mommy's a human who fucks up. Yeah. But also no.

No, it just, I think way too much like involvement. Care. Care. You know, doing too much for, you just can't help it. It's like this new addition to your life where you're like, I do everything for you now. Like, I have this thing to take care of. And then you have like more subsequent kids and you can't do everything for them.

And you can't always protect them. You can't be there for their everything. And then you just, you know, you learn the dialogue that works for your family. Like some kid that Banks sometimes says curse words. And we let her because it's so funny to me. How old? She's seven. And she only does it like, she doesn't just like willy-nilly do it.

If we're like, hey, say this thing. She'll do it. And it's hilarious. And we love it. And she knows that can't happen outside of the household. Boundaries are there. She knows boundaries. Yeah.

If you have a kid that doesn't open. boundaries. You obviously can't play that game. You know what I mean? And different conversation. Your dialogue changes per child when you start to know your child. Yeah, interesting. Banks cannot stop the sugar. Luca will eat half a cupcake at a birthday party and be like, I'm done. So it's just like all your kids are different. Yeah. Also, I think that like as you're talking about like, you know, your mom sees pretty woman on television, sees her daughter and is like, hey, don't matter. We're watching it because this is my favorite thing. Yeah. One of my favorite memories from when I was growing up is I know my dad wanted to see the nutty professor to the clumps so bad.

So he said, get in the car. We're going to the movies. And I was like, oh, okay, it was not up to me. We were just going. Yeah. One of my favorite memories of me and my dad still to this day. And it was something that like seeped through with his personality to me. It like wasn't a way he was intentionally.

It was just him being himself. Yeah. And so I feel like. He's like, we're going to do what I want to do because I want to do it today. And it's probably normally all about you guys. Yeah. Get in, we're going. Yeah, get in, we're going.

And I remember, like, I remember there was something, too, about, like, watching that movie with him. And it was not, quote, unquote, appropriate. But the allowance that he was giving for us to enjoy that together made us feel closer. Yeah. And so your kids are. How old were you? I was, I guess I had to be, like, 12. 11, yeah.

I forget exactly when that movie came out. But it was certainly spiritually around that area. Like certainly younger than 13. When your kids get to an age where they can start handling more of adult life things, it's so fun. Yeah. One, it's really important to keep like the conversations going. Yeah. You know, in the household, like constantly like checking in and normalizing topics that, you know, they're ready for.

Yeah. But when you can start enjoying content of the world that's like more adult and have their takes on it and it's so moving. Honestly, I love it. And Luca and I watched a bunch of movies this year. What did we just watch? Oh, we watched Hamnet. Oh, wow. I know.

And he was really into it. He likes a period piece. Wow. I can't get Matt to watch a period piece. So that was really fun. You have your sophisticated son for that. And the other thing that I did that was like your dad is I've started to make him watch a holiday movie with me every year. And this year we did the holiday.

holiday and he really enjoyed it. That's so sweet. I know. I know. It's fun. Especially you got to get those things in there too before like I just remember like being a 14 year old boy like and that's when and I don't know how different it is now but like other other boys start to become like it's that's that's toxic masculinity looms and it doesn't have to be something that people indulgent and again generationally we are different but I do remember that time and I have like a lot of like compassion for the kid that I was, but also all the other kids, the boys around me, because it's like the world is yelling at you to be a certain way. You don't want to be that way. You want to be sensitive. Like you want to actually have access to and display of all your

emotions. It's just it can get loud when you have a culture telling you this is the way boys are supposed to act. It's absolutely infuriating. And now parents have to deal with social media and like a constant stream of like, like Luca has YouTube, is it called shorts? Shorts. Yeah. YouTube shorts,

right? And that's his version of like social media. And it's just like, oh, the things are, you know, you just, you're,

it's just the conversations because you're like, okay, that they're getting this fed directly into their brains and their brains aren't as strong as ours yet. And mine's not even that strong anymore. When I see stuff,

I'm like, Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just a wild. information dump on them that wasn't something that we had to deal with back then. Thank God. Thank God. Can you imagine? I can't. I mean, we're the last of them. I know.

Yeah. We're the last of the people that don't, didn't have that. Yeah. And it's really hard to keep it away from your kids. But you know, but just hearing you talk about like get in the car, we're going to the movies and talking about to go back to the bus, I think that's like the antidote to any anxieties you have about them like consuming that because it's like, no. matter how I'm sure it'll be challenging throughout the tour to like have everybody in the slots or

whatever. But like you will you will probably, I'm not telling you how to feel, but you will probably look back on this moment and be like really grateful and it'll be so fond and like, oh my gosh, like we grew up for like a couple months on this silly little vehicle. I also feel like Matt and I get stronger every time we get faced with something quite crazy like packing up, you know, for kids. Luca won't be there the whole time. He's a teenager now and he's like deep into soccer. So he'll be like in and out. But like, you know, packing up a bus filled with kids and possibly animals and, you know, and we, I feel like we level up every time we tackle something like that. And it's such a beautiful like notch on the belt. So I'm looking forward to it. And back on the

topic of, you know, social media and our kids like getting. information from their friends or pressures from their friends or whatever. We do this thing in our house. And I feel like it's so important to just have your little family quirks and stick to them and make your kids do it. We, on the weekends, we'll just start singing this song in the house, Matt and I, it's Amanda Torrey family walk. Amanda Tori family walk.

And we just made, and everyone's like, no, we live in the hills. So it's not an easy walk. Yeah. And we'll like get the dog. And we make everyone go. And just like the conversations that happen are so nice. And everyone enjoys it by the end. But no one wants to go in the beginning.

Yeah, but you know. That's part of the process too now. We have to act like we're put upon. Right. To go on the walk in the hills. And like people would like to go on a walk with me. You don't have any idea how much you have. There actually are people that are going to be doing a meet and greet.

Specifically. Bang. Bang. What a 12th of the time you're going to get with me to. during this walk. And a Polaroid. And a Polaroid. And a Polaroid.

Will everyone in the family come to MSG though? I think so. Come on. Yeah. Luca lived in New York with me when I was shooting younger. Uh-huh. So he loves, he loves Brooklyn. And he'll have to, he wants to come for the MSG show.

That's just a big deal. It's a huge deal. You did play MSG back in the day, right? I think I only played it for like a jingle ball. So it's your first time headlining and selling at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. That's so major. Twice.

I know. It's two days. It's so cool. It's awesome. It's awesome. I just feel like what it must feel like or what it's going to feel like to go out there after like being like, you know, living a different life for so long is going to be. It's like an extra special experience. Yeah.

The muscle memory's in there. But I also am so me now that it's nice to have those two people like collide. 100%. Is wake up in the set list? Yeah. Thank God. Okay, because that, I always am saying London, Paris, maybe Tokyo when we're booking a trip. I mean, that's like, that's just, that's just part of, those are always the top.

Because Tokyo's a maybe because it's just kind of far. London and Paris makes sense together because they're close. London, Paris, maybe Tokyo is the hardest left. It's like, wow, we were in London and Paris, but maybe Tokyo. Maybe Tokyo. Like, let's help London planes. Go, take me away. What day is the Madison Square Garden show?

August? August? It's August something. The publicist? I don't know. We have to Google that. August 15, 6. I can't keep dates in my head. It's my worst flaw. No, you're too busy. You're doing everything. Wait, did Matt write on the album besides roommates? What else did you write on the album? We wrote the whole album together.

Why did I think it was just roommates? No, we wrote the whole album together. Okay, and you can tell because I'm a fan of his work. I love his stuff with Carly Ray. I know. I mean, like, he's really, really talented. Carly Ray record. Yeah. Actually, the one after. She's had so many good ones. I'm a huge.

I adore. But like you're referencing the Japanese house and like the album and it's like, I'm curious. Like what are you and Matt listening to in the house like among you? Because like I feel like you were both from these very wonderful big like through lines and music that are meeting together now and this like lush but still sparse like pop. Like it's I love this album so much in the way that like talk about like how you guys arrived. together at this. I think sonically, we were one looking at my old catalog a lot.

So I feel like in Weather for Tennis, you pick up some of that. Yep. Very like Hillary Duff leaning lane. Yes. But some of the things we were listening to was like the Japanese house, the 1975. It's all in that world, like the liminal space house. Like even Harry's house for me, not so much taking inspiration from that, but I love putting that record on for the first time and being like,

oh, I can just like, this is just a fantastic soundtrack. It's atmosphere. Yes. I'm like, I could be hosting a dinner party and that's happening. I could be in my car solo and this is happening. It was just a very, like, pleasant. Music for a sushi restaurant. And then the rest was like really trying not to listen to too much outside music.

And we have so many kids that it's not hard to not do that because they kind of will steer the ship and it's lots of like, Taylor. Gracie Abrams and Taylor and Katzai and things I love. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I was... It's not going to go on the album necessarily.

No, we really tried to stay in like a Hillary Duffling that's almost 40. I loved that it does, it does feel like it's still, like it speaks to a little bit, that pop rock thing that you were so like emblematic of. I feel like back in the day. But it gets a little dreamier. There's like a veil of dreamy on top of it. It's like a nostalgic, filthy. over that sound, but more contemporary. And I love the way your voice sounds on it too.

Thank you. Like, it's just really, like, I think the choices, like, are just so great. And I love the, like, little pops of humor that are in there. It's just, like, like, I said, like, it feels like... It's so me. It's so, like, me-coded and... And it's weird to say that, but it's, like, you know, there's a lot of... There's a lot of, like, serious themes on the record.

But they're, like, disguised as, like, a going out night. Yeah. And like maybe there's like rhinestone bra underneath that. Yeah. Oversized dress shirt. You know what I mean? Like it's just that I feel like that is very a big part of my personality. Like, oh, this is kind of happening in it's serious.

But also like we're having a great time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that I really wanted that to be expressed on the record because that's being an adult, right? Like we're handling so many things. We're moving through parts of life that like are new to us. and it was like important for it to to just be very like real and and raw. Yeah. I feel like that's the theme of the album to me is that like, oh, these are all like moments

in between or on the way to like a bigger conversation, much like, you know, talking like talking to the kids. Like we'll talk about that later. It's like I feel like adult size medium is about that. It's like, oh, it's like this is kind of deteriorating but like we can't really address it just yet. There's just a lot of that on the Yama that I think is really hard to capture that people don't really take the time to like focus in on. Mm-hmm. It's very what you're describing where it's like, I could put this on at home, I could put this on with the car. It is, it is all purpose.

But so specific. Right. So it's really fucking good. Thank you. Thank you so much. Also my voice, like it was really fun to get on the mic again after 10 years, like really 10 years. Yeah. Yeah.

I recorded Matt and I love Third Eye Blind and he was doing a cover and I just happened to to, it was during COVID and I was like, are you really trying to cover a third eye blind song and not have me sing on it? Like what the actual fuck? And so I sing that, but I really hadn't sang on a microphone in so long. And so to like arrive here and now and, you know, write this record and just have my voice. Like I'm so much different now. I'm so much more in my body that I'm not like, I don't need to sing that note or be this thing. I'm just, I'm just me. And like, you know, I'm making this record because it feels good. And it's just an absolute cherry on top that, like, people are connecting to it and

like it. Deeply. People love it. I mean, us included. And, like, it's just, we're very, very, very happy to have a Hillary Duff album again. And we're so excited to see you at MSG. We're definitely going to be there. Can't we?

It'll be a hot, sweaty. It will. It will. It's an indoor venue. Thanks, goodness. I know, thank God. I know, but New York, when it's hot and muggy, like, yes. You know what? It's the worst one you're experiencing it and it creates the best memories.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want more of this because people don't, this is, thank you for being an apologist, he's an apologist, about muggy New York because people love to shit on it and I'm like, it's not that bad. We're, we're out. I will tell you that there were times when I lived in Soho and I was shooting younger that I came to my apartment, I got up my elevator, like opened to my apartment and I just like sat down and sobbed. Like, yeah. Sometimes the humidity and heat, if you're like trying to run errands and I'm an L.A. girlie. So like I don't understand the concept of like shopping small. Totally.

Or like. And I would just have like so many bags and I'm like tough. And I'm like I am like you're counting the steps, you know? And you're just like. I would identify as being seasonally depressed during August. During the summer? I remember I was saying this. I was like, I think I get seasonal affective disorder.

when it's August in New York. What about when the bugs come out and you're sitting outside and you're just like, now I'm eating alive by mosquitoes? It's horrible. I thought you were saying. But there's something I do. I romanticize it.

Because like, it's tied to memories for me that like I love. Yeah. It's like, but it's like what you're just saying. It's like you remember fondly. Yes. The nostalgia filter. But sitting in it was horrific.

You sobbing on a roof because because like you can't walk another step. And then here we are and it's what you remember about it. It's adult-sized medium. You look back and you're like, I miss those nights and you're like, that night sucked so-and-so-and-so.

You're right, you're right. We ended like tears in a toilet. It was a horrible night. What are you talking about? You're like, oh, but if only. Take me back. To return. It's so real.

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And listen to Amy and T.J. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Is it a time? I think it's time. It's time we've approached the moment. I don't think so. Honey, it's our one-minute segment that we do, where we take a little something in culture. and we just sort of work it, we work it out on the remix with this thing.

It's not necessarily a takedown. Like, for example, the one I'm going to do today. Oh, do you guys go first? Yeah, we go first. We go first. So I go first, Bowen go second. What if you take mine? I don't think you're going to do this one.

What if you take mine? Trust me. Do you have notes on your phone? Just a timer. Just a timer. But you can't be notes if you want. Bowen, are you cheating? No.

See, it's not cheating if you do it, but I will say, I mean, we say every time, it tends to hit less hard when someone reads off their phone. I'm not going to read off No, you're not. All good. All good.

Do I want to? Yes. Well, now we won't allow it. Now we won't allow it. All right. I feel ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Matt Rodgers.

I don't think so honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey crossword culture. I'm sorry. I wake up in the morning. I don't even think about it. Today, thank you so much New York Times. Today, Las Culturistas is in the crossword.

A huge honor. I have been texted, reached out to by more people than if I announced my wedding, which probably was. will never happen. But the thing is like I, old friends from high school, like guys I used to date. Like, wow, this is amazing. Congrats on all you've accomplished. We just won a glad award and no one said anything. But we're in the crossword and it's like we've given birth to like the royal air. And here's the thing. Bowen did just walk me through a crossword right before you got it. I'm meeting. I watch. I'm leaning you on. And I see why it's fun. I just wish I could be the kind of person that woke up and thought of the crossword.

And that is so many millions of people. And I just want to know where we diverged in the woods that I don't think of the crossword. And y'all do. Was it my parents? Should my dad, instead of taking me to a nutty professor, shown me the crossword? I don't know. So, honey. And that's one minute.

I have so many thoughts. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. It's just too hard. Like, I'm not good enough. Especially the ones in the New York Times on a Sunday. I know.

That's the one I'm talking about. But people wake up and do it on a Sunday. Ever thought to do it before bed? He, I. That's good. Oh, that's interesting. Like a wind down. You know what's cute?

Might be fun for the family on the bus. Might be fun for you at home. New York Times crossword puzzle book of Mondays. Easy. Oh. So by the days of the week, you know, like the final boss is Sunday because it's bigger. It's not necessarily harder. Saturday and Friday are like really tough.

Monday, anybody can do it. Okay. Truly anybody. And that's, and that's to ween you on. That's to like, because there's like hints that there's like things that like you're like, oh, that's from like a month ago. Like you start to, you really start to get, people get obsessed over it. The culture is because it slowly like very gently brings you on board.

I understand that it seems very daunting. I'm not all the way there with all these diehards who love the crossword. Isn't it funny also the things in our culture that just all. hold the most weight to people. Like the Culeo. Yeah. The Culeo thing that people have, that like has a choke hold on them, like the crossword. And you guys made it in the crossword.

And it's like, all of a sudden you're like, did I get, is it my birthday? What's with all these texts? Right, right, right, right. More texts today than the other day for my birthday. No, I'm kidding. That's not true. But it is a thing of, I didn't realize this was so important to you. Here's what bothers me about it.

Oh. So we're sitting here and we're doing it. And the one clue was like, it's like a five, letter word starting with an S and it was other word for pastry in a bakery and I'm sitting here and I'm like... Do you already have it?

Do you know what it is? No. I need, I'm just too... Five letters starts with us. It's scone. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, well, of course I knew scone. And I feel like after every single crossword thing, if I'm doing it with someone and they get it first, my instinct is to want to be like, hey, I knew, I did know that. Like, I

do know scone. Like, don't think I don't know scone. And it's like that with everything, but he's so fast. No, I literally looked down and I was like, you know it. You know it. I saw it download in your brain and I was like, you fucking jerk. And that can be. Be you smart.

No, I can't. No, no. No. I can't. No. I don't claim it. Receive it. Thank you.

Or should we say, LeBron. No. Thank you for bringing back now now now now. Oh, no. Because I really do think now now now now now. That's very us culture is to say now now now. So there's no way that you're going to do mine because. Mine is inspired by a lyric.

It's not coming for you. Okay, okay, okay. It's inspired. You've really gotten me thinking about this lyric. Okay. Okay. This is Bowen Yang's, I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey.

The expression, dying on that hill. It's a lyric in weather for tennis. It's a great, it feels out the syllables. It fills out the line. The verse. Dying on that hill. How about dying in the peace and comfort of your own home? Come on.

passing away in your sleep in bed. Dying on that hill. See, people say that's a hill I'm willing to die on. But remember when we used to have opinions and not have stakes attached to them? 30 seconds. Why don't we have to die? I'm going to die on this hill.

Trader Joe has the best orange chicken. Shut up. Yeah, you're dying for it. You're dying on that hill. Also, this isn't the Civil War. 50. It might be about to be. But this isn't the old one.

There's no hills. There's no... Everybody keep the hills clear of bodies. Five seconds now. Now now. Keep the hills clear. That might be public space, green space, public infrastructure. Keep the hills clear of your corpse.

And that's one minute. Yeah. Keep it open for the picnics. Keep it open for the picnics. But Weather for Tennis reminded me of that saying. That's so good. And I love that line in the song. It's great.

Because it does fill out everything that's needed. That's a very wordy song. There's not a lot of room to breathe in that song. I love how, like, it is a, it's Mariah Carey-esque. There's a lot of, like, it's a full album, it's thoughtful. Mm-hmm. Yes. Lots of lyrics.

Lots of lyrics. Yeah. Which has kind of always been my music until I, like, started going to, like, super dancey genre. Oh, we remember the era. That was, like, the dignity era. It was, like, a weird turn, but not for nothing. With love. With love.

Everything. Everything. Really? beat of my heart. Don't forget beat of my heart. Before Zed, there was beat on my heart. And that's just true. Yeah.

Love that one. Yeah, so good. Very fun. That one's in the small room's big nerves tour. Oh, it has to be. Yeah. It's been fun. Okay, is it my turn?

Yeah. Okay, I'm just realizing how long a minute is and it's giving me, it's giving me heart palpitations. No, it's always been 60 seconds. Nothing changed today when you came in. We didn't elongate a minute. Okay. You can do it.

You can do it. I think I'm ready. You've done so many harder things. Yeah. Okay. This is Hillary Duff. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. The boom of the robots. Please. I am not interested. I would like to talk to a real person on the phone. Oh, thank you. I am sitting there. You know what's going to happen as soon as I get a real human on the phone after I've pushed every single button?

Right. Representative. Yes. Real human with a beating heart. Please. Linda, pick up. I need you. Yeah.

Where are you at, Linda? I'm going to be in Coldwater Canyon. My call's going to drop. I'm going to be put to the beginning of the line again. No. I just need to book my airline ticket. I need to talk to a person. Okay.

The other thing that's stressful for me is these little robots that are delivering food in the bucket. No, no. They are so stressed out. They're having an anxiety attack. Watching them slam on the brakes every second. I'm like, the poor thing. All of a sudden, I'm feeling empathy for this thing. They had to put eyes on it and give it a name.

No. They didn't have to. Why did they put eyes on it and give it a name? I feel so. It looks so isolating that little thing's slamming on its brakes trying to cross the road. Kids are punking it, poking at it, thinking it. What a big time? Five seconds?

That's all I have left. What's happening to the pad tie inside of the bucket after it's been slamming on its brakes 100 times? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. See? One minute and 10 seconds. I needed more time than you thought.

You needed more time. It's because. Because my other one was going to be, why am I constantly getting logged out of my streaming services? Oh, oh, no. I don't get it. Why do we need a two-step bare, The vacation process. Oh, forget two-step verification.

What? I'm done. I can't even watch TV tonight. I don't remember who I am. No. Or my passcode for that. Excuse you. 5, 6, 2718.

What's that? That's my one-time passcode for box.com. It's too much. You didn't mention the biggest threat to humanity in the Valley area, though. And I'm saying it. Tell me. Waymo.

Have you written in a waymo? I refuse because our best friend. friend Jared got in a Waymo to go to a bar and a bunch of our friends were at the bar and they're like, oh look, there's Jared and a Waymo. And then Jared got stuck. The Waymo got stuck in an intersection. And the light changed from Red to Green and literally traffic was going around him. The Waymo didn't know how to figure it out.

So he got out of the car and went into the high tops Los Felis and they were like, you, that waymo tried to kill you. Yes. I'm not into the Waymo. I'm not into all this. I want some human contact. Absolutely. I want the human experience. It's too much robot.

First of all, thank you for that. Second of all, you do not Hillary Duff have to feel any empathy for the robot feeling anxiety. Don't worry. But that is because they've manipulated us into feeling that way because of these eyes. And one person takes a photo of one of these. They give them names. They named one. They didn't name it after me, but there's one named Bowen driving around West Holly.

When I go, get out of here. Should I sue? Let's, should I sell? This is infringement. This is infringement on my name. No, I don't know. My name is, my name is not my own. But isn't that weird, though?

They want you to feel like, oh, it's Wally, you know? It's Wally. It's Wally. And now I'm having all kinds of feelings. But you don't, don't have them. But don't. But here's the thing. Does a little part of you think, it's cute?

It's a little cute, but it's just a slamming on the brakes that make me really sad. I don't like it at all. And also, I don't think I've ever had. Can you choose if your delivery is being brought by? Like on a bike or like a real person? You don't think you can choose? I don't think so, honey. No.

I don't think so honey you can pick. But I just, I want the autonomy here. Yeah. And I can't with the Waymos because they are. I don't get how that happened. You guys saw the Jimmy Kimmel's aunt went in the Waymo and they filmed it. Tell me you saw that. No.

Oh my gosh. It's so funny. She's screaming at the top of her lungs. And she's calling her daughter, who's like the producer with Kimmel or whatever. And she's like, I'm in the car and there's not a driver. And she's like losing her mind.

It's so funny. And she's like grabbing the thing and the steering wheels like turning. And she's like, what? I sent the car for you. And she's like, I'm telling you, I'm in the car you sent. And there's no driver.

It's so funny. I want to be in a self-driving car if it's at Disney. California Adventure and Radiator Springs Racers. Oh, I lied to my kid and said that they slowed the, I know. Yeah, but you have to do that. They slowed it down. You got to.

And he was so mad. You have to be the parent that's like, we're getting on this. Yeah, I know. You should see what kind of a fight it turns into sometimes. Oh, I'm, I'm, like, I'm not that person, but I am right now. Get the fuck. I know, like, and that's a thing. You know how expensive Disneyland is?

Get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing this today. Are they all four of them interested in doing the rides? No, and I scarred Luca so bad We had like a pretty big arm wrestle To get him on Scream in California or what?

I guess they call it Incredicoaster No, Enkred coaster, yeah, yeah, yeah And he wouldn't do it, he wouldn't do it And he's like scarred for life That I like pressured him and whatever Did he get on it eventually? Oh yeah, eventually not with me Not with me with like his cousins

And I was like, I'm glad you had that experience But we were here three months ago I wanted that experience When my dad took us to Universal in Orlando, like when I was young, like 10, and I had been talking about the Incredible Hulk roller coaster for like a year. Like, I can't wait to do it. You get there and I start sobbing and he goes, no. And he's like, we're not doing this.

Because then we're going to leave and you're going to talk the whole time about how you didn't do it. Drag me on it. Drag me on it. The things that those people have seen. Yeah. Oh, the ride operators? Oh, yeah. Forget it.

Yeah. We went to Disney World for Christmas, and it was so much fun. And Banks actually got on a few of the little coasters, like the slinky dog. Oh, we love the slinky dog. So fun. And she was so proud of herself. But we do like, you know, it's a small world like 15 times. Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot to see.

A lot of those little guys in there. You got to say hello to. I want to apologize to everybody for being pro New York humidity. Oh. Great for the skin. Unbelievable for this again But to think of you sobbing Is really tough for me

I think it's one of those things That makes you stronger Oh yeah yeah You're like I Living in the city is hard Mm-hmm So hard It is not for the faint

No it's not for the faint But it gives you that It gives you that thing It grows you Appreciation Kelsey Peters grew In the city She did

She grew Do you think that Kelsey Peters Is like I think she works for Jennifer now Oh I'm loving this backstory. Let's create it now.

Did you know that Jenna Bush was my camp counselor? What? Stop it. Texas. Texas. Oh. She was your camp counselor? We love her.

Love her too. She's literally 10 out of 10 a plus. Yeah. She's awesome. Oh my God. I'm sending a text to write after. Love her. We've been on her show singing our camp song.

Oh, that's so cute. So cute. She does give camp counselor. For Jenna. She's at Jenna's in print or something. She helps with just publishing. She's like headbitch. She books the open book podcast with Jenna Bush Hager.

She is influential in the read with Jenna Selection. Okay, I love this. Yeah, that's what it was. So Kelsey, for me, doesn't, I don't think there's a lot of, like, personal growth that's able to happen there. Sure, sure. But, like, in the workforce, like, she's a beast cannot be stopped. She's going straight to the top. Of course.

But the personal growth is a really. tough thing for her. Yeah. She's got a high pressure job. Yeah. Wait, before we let you go, I'm told I can't, you can't leave without, did you play a Russian, John Cusack directed a film? Yes.

And you played, what was the character you played? She was a, like a, I don't want to get this wrong. She was a, like, Bulgarian pop star. Huge. Range. He didn't direct. Oh, did he write it? He wrote it.

Okay. He wrote it, started in it. Yeah, there was a lot of people in that. Like, Sir Ben Kingsley was in that. Yes, it was one of those things where it was like an all-star. Joan was in that. Uh-huh. Family, family.

Yeah. Yeah, and I had to put like a scorpion down my pants in that movie. Horrifica. It was a big growing up moment. Yes. We're looking for something with Edge. Scorpion down the pants. Yeah, there's definitely parts of my career where I'm like,

she was really trying for something and maybe she should have stayed home. Yeah, but look where we answered. 100% I'm thrilled The ride has been incredible Here at Lost Colch today Two nights at the garden and the rest of the world Luck or something But it's so much more than that

You're such a star in every single way We're so happy that you came in Like we were just psyched for you Well I was looking forward to this for months and months Thank you for having me You guys are an absolute dream Do you remember when we met at Vulturefest So do you remember

I remember. No, we were so excited to me. We were doing the interviews at Vulture Fest when you guys came through for younger. We were in like matching, matching suits. And you guys came in and you were the only celebrity that gave us a hug. The entire day. So thank you for that. I was like, I wonder if she'll ever remember that that was us. Wait, I was the only one that gave you a hug.

Everyone was nice, but you were the only one who just gave us a hug. I mean, everyone was great. And like Sutton was great. Like everybody on the Younger House was great. But, um... Was it all of us? I think it was most of you. It was.

It was, I think it was Nico. It was you. It was Sutton. We were so, like, excited to... Molly, one of my best. Maybe Debbie Mazur was there as well. I just watched Beethoven with my kids. Oh!

It was so fun. It was so, so, so fun. It was actually Matt's call, and he did all six of them. I was like, you're a better parent than me. Because after one and two, they are... There's six of them? They become sequels. They're really, really best.

But one and two, amazing. And Debbie steals every single scene. Like, she's such a badass. She's the best. Yeah. Love that you're such a younger stand. Oh, no, love. And also it has a, I'm just saying, like, it's gotten lost in the press tour.

I know. And we needed its moment. But it had its moment once it, like, got on Netflix and then people, like, so many more people got eyes on it. Oh, yeah. She's doing all right. Oh, she's doing great. I bet you get to see your residuals checks now and be like, yes, it's on Netflix. I don't think so, but I'm really horrible with that stuff.

Call your lawyer. We love you. Thank you so much for coming and doing this. much for having me. We end every... And now you're gonna go do hot ones. Oh my God. We'll have to check in with you later.

We end every episode with a song. I think we have to shout at the classic. Let's go back. Back to the beginning. Back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all alive. And for the rest of that, we'll see you at Madison Square Garden on August.

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