Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gagging For Redemption" (w/ Paul W. Downs & Lucia Aniello)

Episode Date: May 8, 2019

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. My, oh my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. You were going to take me to task on something. Yeah, I hate that you always say how tired you are. I hate that I always say how tired I am. It's so uninteresting. It's so bad. It's so dumb.

Why do people do it? Why do I do it? I would even go as far as to say, I don't think so, honey. People who, their thing is how tired they are. And that's you. And I am so sad to see that's become your identity. You're so much more dynamic than that.

I'm not saying it's my identity. Who's saying it's my identity? I am. You're saying it's so much, like you've been so tired. Yeah, I don't, but I am, I am worried.

Are you too tired to talk about it? No. I'm worried that it um is it is um becoming your no no no no

reputation I'm worried that it's gonna it's it's portending something bad what is portend I think I'm worried it's gonna be a disease okay stop

because I asked I so I said to Bowen stop talking about how tired you are and he looks at me and he's like sunk sunk down on the couch and he goes, what if I have something?

And I said, well, bitch, you are currently on PrEP, which means you go for regular checkups. So I'm just saying, you go now for your regular, by the way, everyone, Bowen Yang's on PrEP. Just saying. He's in LA, he's on PrEP. He'll be in New York soon. He's channeling all about, we'll be on tour, he's on Pr he'll be in New York soon he's chilling all about we'll be on tour

he's on prep look I think you're fine but I here's the thing it's like everyone's tired you know what I mean I know

everyone's tired literally everyone is tired but I just but for for this particular trip it's like it's that whole millennial burnout thing where there's no boundary

between work and relaxation and like that's just what it's become oh gosh and so i'm and so i've been worn out by not working i'm also frequently at a high energy yeah and i think that maybe makes you tired it's like when a when a when a dog that's a little bit older no shade sees a younger dog that has a lot more energy it's like i'm already done you. You can tell the older dog is getting more tired just by watching what's happening. I don't want to be that older dog, though. I want to be the Spritely thing.

Anyway. Can I say why I'm in my happy place? Yes. You went to the bathroom. Uh-huh. Oh, and Hot Associate Producer Alex And Hot Associate Producer Alex. Hot Associate Producer Alex. I'm so sorry. He said

he was going to Disneyland. Yes. And I said, okay, cool. Let me plan the trip for you. Oh, can I read this whole thing? By the time Bowen Yang got back from the restroom, I had planned his Disney day. I'm just going to read this entire list that filled up an entire list. This is good for everyone. Because I just went for my birthday. So this is good for everyone because I just went for my birthday so this is

this is good for everyone start at Disneyland Star Tours slash Space Mountain can I stop you for one second this is to say that you have bought

a multi-park pass with MaxPass that allows you to do FastPass option great okay now that we're clear okay

Star Tours slash Space Mountain depending on wait time right FastPass Radiator Springs Racer aka Cars Matterhorn Bobsleds,

Big Thunder Mountain. This is all just in order of what to do. And I know that the Matterhorn thematically is very close to the Big Thunder Mountain, but just for wait times and for functionality, we're doing them both in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so Big Thunder Mountain.

Asterisk. By this time, you may be able to do, to Fast Pass Guardians of the Galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy, Mission Breakout. Formerly Tower of Terror. Rest in peace. Next, Haunted Mansion. Formerly Tower of Terror. Rest in peace. Next, Haunted Mansion. Next, Splash Mountain.

Parenthetical. You may have to fast pass this if it's warm. Famously, if it's warm, the flume rides will have a longer wait. Yeah. This is why I say that in the parenthetical. All caps, lunch. Next. Important.

Head over to California Adventure. Parenthetical, the other park. This is the other park. Asterisk. By this time, you may be able to Fast Pass Incredicoaster. You may. Okay, next. Radiator Springs Racers, Guardians of the Galaxy,

Incredicoaster. And then, big bracket, not necessarily in this order for these three. Depends on Fast Pass reservation time. Yes, that's clear. We've already maxed out at our four Fast Passes, though. No, that's not the way it works here. Don't touch this.

Asterisk, Fast Pass availability. Oh, okay. Should be pretty open for everything now except Soarin'. You may have to wait for Soarin'. Parenthetical, worth it. I waited an hour for Soarin' and it was worth it. And it was worth it. Asterisk, Fast Pass, Toy Story, Midway Mania.

Fast Pass around this time. Continually check for Fast Pass availability. These are must these are the must sees and I put them in quotes because they're not really Pirates of the Caribbean

sorry Shady but I don't like it Buzz Lightyear question mark question mark question mark whatever fantasy land stuff those little trinkets

yeah okay but that's that's Alex itinerary and I think you're gonna have a great fucking day and the people that I took with me to my birthday Joel Kim Booster

Greta Teitelman etc it had all been their first time at Disneyland and they will never go without me now that's what they said great fucking day. The people that I took with me to my birthday, Joel Kim Booster, Greta Teitelman, etc. It had all been their first time at Disneyland and they will never go without me now. That's what they said. It's my dream to... I think I missed my career. To be a specifically

mainstream theme park planner. I mean... Can I say something? There's a hole in the market and... There's a hole in the market. You have to fill that hole. You know who I bet is fun at Disneyland? Our guests?

Our guests. But one just shook his head and that makes me feel like maybe not. But I feel like I would crack him right open at Disneyland. Crack it? Crack him right open. Crack him right open at Disneyland. I feel like you just love it. But him, from the shake of the head, I don't know.

No, we'll get into it. But this is constantly, this is your litmus test. For if we can. If we can be friends. Yeah, really connect. Okay, well, you and I have already connected to so many things about these people. You and I have already connected. I'm talking about us connecting with our guests.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We've connected in so many ways. You've talking about us connecting with our guests. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We've connected in so many ways. You've been directed by one of our guests. Yes. And I was very jealous because this is a director. And can I tell you? Director of the Millennium.

Of the Millennium. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to laugh. She wins today. On Las Codrillas, she wins the Director of the Millennium Award. This is your Britney Spears. Type that up and print it out, Hoppa. Your Britney Spears at the VMAs when she called,

when Michael Jackson thought he was getting the Artist of the Millennium Award because Britney Spears presenting said, I consider him to be the artist of the millennium. And then he mistook that to be, it was like the Video Vanguard Award. You're right, that is the situation. That is this. But we're saying one of our guests is. She's Michael and I'm Brittany, which tracks

Oh no. We're both I don't know. Entire straights. Oh God. Anyway. Okay. And these guests are iconic to me and I even emailed the guests after they did I Don't Think So Honey because I'm such a fan and it was so gagged that they were at the show. And this is the gag is that

one of our guests was directing and then in between takes she was like, when are Paul and I coming on? And I was like, I literally said whenever you want. Unbelievable. That they would listen to this trash. I just talked about Disneyland for two minutes. And I felt really self-conscious. I was like, I've sounded like an idiot 90% of the time.

But here's the thing. I still feel a connection. I still feel a connection. Because also, Paulilu was my favorite sketchbook. Paulilu was so good. It really was.

And Stop. Stop it. It really was. And before you guys came in, we watched Real Housewives of South Boston. So good. On St. Patrick's Day,

we watched the St. Patrick's Day episode. On St. Patrick's Day. And famously, I think the best sketch of all time is one of our guests, no,

one of our guests playing Robin from Batman and Robin. Oh, yeah. It's truly iconic. Oh, my God. And then forget about the mainstream film they've moved on to. Baby Rough Night is what me One of our guests playing Robin from Batman and Robin. I think it's truly iconic. And then forget about the mainstream film they've moved on to. Baby Rough Night is what me and my family watched on Thanksgiving.

And we loved it. And guess who was there? Who? One of the stars of the film. Zoe Kravitz. No, just kidding. Mo Frypastic. Oh, yeah, Mo.

Yeah, Colton Haynes was there. Colton, I don't know. He's out there. Colton's a sweetie. He can come over. I love Colton. But Mo Frypastic was there. Yeah. Jaboukie Young-nes was there. He's out there. He can come over. I love Colton. But Mo Frypastic was there. Jaboukie Young-White was there. He was not there.

He's always invited over too, though. But he, no, Mo was filling in for my sister for Thanksgiving. Oh, right. She came over to the Rogers house. She's so good. And my parents were so taken with her. They were like, we have to watch Mo's movie. And that was Rough Night.

And we had a great time. That's beautiful. And that was Rough Night. And we had a great time. That's beautiful. And that was the second time I had seen it. Never watched movies on planes. I never watched movies on planes. But you did. Saw Rough Night on a plane. I was like.

Made the whole experience. I was like. You forgot you were in the air. I was like, do people know how good this movie is? I wanted to tell people. I was like, sir, you have to watch this movie. And was sir like the flight attendant yes

and he was just I hope it wasn't the pilot he had a job to do he had a job to do but yeah God we love them so much please welcome I have no interest

in interrupting I know no no no no no come on please go on we love them so much please welcome

into your ears Lucia, Aniela and Paul W. Dowd. Wow. So happy to be here. This is an honor. Honor and a pleasure. As Bowen said, I was like, when are we coming on?

This is not just a whim. This is a promise. This is unbelievable to me. This is a threat. This is a threat. We are coming on, and we are coming on. I feel threatened and turned on.

Wow, good. I can't believe this. Can I do a quick origin, actually? Yes. I want to do it. Oh, well. No, you do it,

but I have a comment already. Ours are different, so. But they're not. This is exciting. Okay, you go first. No, you go ahead. You go ahead. Okay, great.

This is like the version of what we just did. I know. Cut it out and edit this out. The year is, I don't know, 2015, 2016. You go ahead. Okay, great. This is like the version of what we just did. I know. Cut it out and edit this out. The year is, I don't know, 2015, 2016. Oh, my gosh. Lower East Side.

Set the scene. On set. New York. Broad City. New York, Broad City. Comedy Central. So I had seen Bowen audition for, you know, Sundry things.

Caddy, sales clerk part that we had. It was whatever it was for Broad City. So I already knew he was coming in, but I didn't know of him. I just had known him for the audition. But he comes on to set and after the first take, I don't know if you remember this, after the first take, you were so fucking funny. I literally said, I came up to you,

having already met you, and I said, who are you? I remember! I truly did that. I said, who are you? And then we changed some stuff later in the scene that ended up getting cut that had you in the stretcher in the end, because I was

like, more, more, more! But it is the same. It's the same the end because I was like more, more, more. We need more. Oh my God. But it is the same. It's the same story because I came to set and Lucia was like wait till you see this.

Truly, truly. Not a joke because I was on set that day and I heard of you before I saw a take. Lucia was already talking about you. There was someone on set

that was not a joke. I remember I was just sitting with background people, and we were just hanging out in that little pop-up space. And I saw Paul walk in, and I was like, wow, that's Paul.

W down. And I. We love. And he, like, looked at me and smiled, and I was like, oh. And he seems like such a nice person. And then right before I left, right after I wrapped, I was so this person. But I went up to, she was sitting with Alana just at Video Village.

And I went up to them. I was like, before I go, I just have to tell you I fucking love Real Housewives of South Boston. Or I just said I love Polly Lou. I love Real Housewives of South Boston. And then you said, or you said, yeah, yeah, well, you said, yeah, well, thanks a lot, or something.

You went into the accent, and it was a lovely moment. Oh, wow. She dropped in. She dropped in. That was the point of orge. That was the point of orge. Absolutely.

And wow. You came back from set glowing that day. I was so happy. Yeah. And then I went to Rice to Riches to reward myself. Oof, love Rice to Riches. Wait, what is? You've been. Come on. It's the rice pudding place.

I'm not a rice pudding person. You don't have to be. Rice to Riches transcends rice pudding. But you know the lore of Rice to Riches, right? No. The lore is this. Is it a pile of magic? Well, yeah, a bit.

I believe it's the 90s when it first opened. It was opened as a mob front. Oh, I did hear this. What? Like laundering money. Laundering money. But then the rice pudding was too damn good. And the city was like, it will not go away.

Well, it was making too much money. It wasn't working as a front. Wow. Because the rice pudding was so good. It is so good. But doesn't that help the laundering scheme? You would think. I think it doesn't. I never watched Breaking Bad, just kidding.

This is literally the plot of Small Time Crooks. Yeah, exactly. That Woody Allen movie with Tracy Ullman. Wow, I thought you meant the network show. Bad Girls or whatever. Of course. No, we're talking about the network show. Yeah. You know, Bad Girls or whatever. Of course. Of course. Of course.

No, we're talking about the Woody film. Unfortunately, we are. Lucia, you brought us here. Sorry. Just kidding. Wait. Oh, and so the rice pudding was literally too good? I believe that's what happened.

I think that they had to buy out the mobsters or something. And so now it's just, it exists free and clear. That's fun. That's like a victory for food. It is. Food can be anything. Food can conquer all. Food can conquer all. Food might get us out of this mess we're in.

This mess? Are you speaking in the macro? No, this administration. I believe it's still happening. Isn't this outrageous? It's so crazy. I never thought we'd be here.

I never thought we'd be here. That's the first time that's ever been said too. You know, one of the reasons I really like Hoppa hot associate producer Alec is because I came in here just now

and he was watching Pete Buttigieg videos wow Hoppa's with it wow you're with it that guy's great

we met him very briefly you did? wait where? I thought you meant Hoppa no we met that guy's great too we just met him he is great he's great so far so good it was like, we just met him. He is great.

He's great. So far, so good. It was like at a backstage of, I mean, I don't need to, but you know. You can say it. Whatever you want to judge. Backstage at Larry King, honey.

Great job. Miss King. Doesn't age well. No, no. You know what doesn't age well? Well, just that reference because it's Charlie Rose. You've got to remember Charlie Rose.

I meant Charlie Rose. I meant Charlie Rose. Larry King does age well he looks great and he's sharp as hell can I take that back he actually doesn't age at all I feel like he's been a hundred for about

40 years he's been you know yeah he's constantly like in that like kind of like what's the boss from the Simpsons

oh uh Smithers not Smithers Smithers is the oh the assistant Mr. Burnsers. Smithers. Not Smithers. Smithers is the... Oh, the assistant. Mr. Burns. Mr. Burns. He's like a Mr. Burns,

like eternally ancient. Yes. But always with it. That's the thing, he can never look worse. You know? So he looks great. He can never look worse.

Exactly. He's really, yeah. Yeah. He like set his image at like 80 and they were like, this is like chic for you. Right. So they've preserved him.

Pickled him. Yes. Which we love. So they've preserved him as 80. Which we love. Which we love. Oh my god. We really were just on a fun Polly Lou little kick or little viewing party marathon. You guys were like, that was like above average. That was like the early days of above average.

I was also a channel partner but they didn't make our videos. But they seemed to make a lot of yours and I was, well, that's because they're really fucking good. Thanks. That was a fun time. It really was. It was like we had just moved to L.A., and we just got to make stuff. And we're actually now trying to get back to that place of just being able to be like, here's a fun, dumb idea.

We want to just go make it, and it doesn't have stakes, and it's just for us. It was fun. And, you know, actually, I think Alana produced some of those Real Housewives, because she was staying with us at the time, but pitching Broad City, sleeping on our couch. Truly like holding a boom. L-O-L.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. And being like, okay. She was ADing as well. Like, it was very, but it was a really fun time to be making. She's worn every hat on set. It's true. There you go. I believe that, too. Oh, but it was a really fun time to be. She's worn every hat on set. It's true. I believe that too.

Yeah. Oh yeah. That is a thing though. It's like as, as your careers like start to get bigger and like things get more, you kind of do, you lose the opportunity to just do whatever the fuck. Yes. And that's it. Then you kind of are like, oh, I missed that time.

But also at that time you were fully, I was waiting tables and like miserable. Like how am I going to like find my next check? But also you did have freedom to do kind of whatever the fuck. Yeah. And I, I think, I think it makes you braver too. Cause you're like,

there's less eyeballs. It's like whatever. Yeah. You know, I missed that time for that. Right. Yeah. And I don't know,

does it, will it like loop back around to that kind of weird? No, it wasn't weird. It was like a great time of just like all this stuff sort of whatever was the best I don't know I always think to myself

like are people that are super successful are they actually able to do whatever they want like is but no I don't think so well I think it depends

because sometimes you look at I don't know sometimes and this hasn't happened now for years but I remember I used to watch like Ben Stiller at the Oscars

and I was like no he didn't ask anybody yeah no he's just doing this thing and I'm not I'm passinger at the Oscars and I was like, no, he didn't ask anybody. He's just doing this thing and I'm not, I'm passing no judgment, good or bad. I'm just like, he's doing whatever he wants.

So I think sometimes you get permission but I don't know. But you gotta be Stiller. You gotta be Stiller. You gotta unfortunately be Stiller. Well, I mean,

one of like the, and correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like the prevailing narrative of Broad City, especially when it first started out, was that it was like, and especially the writer's room was just like pretty like, it was just like self-taught. It was these people who like came together and they were just like, we'll figure this out together. And then it ended up being this thing that like broke open all these, it just like was so new and so cool. And like that was what ended up sort of giving it its identity.

And like. Chris was saying the other day that it was a lot of like stories from your life about like being in New York and being young and like. All of them. Every single thing. Happened to either one of us or somebody we know or something that like happened to all of us, you know. And that kind of made it feel like, oh, this is our story.

It has to be other people's story. And I'll get it. And it was true of the, in the room too. People would be like, oh, I got locked out in this. And they're like, I got locked out in this. I got locked out in this. So everyone had those twenties Bobo stories. So yeah, I do think that's why people were like, oh yeah, that is New York.

Cause it really was. Yeah. It's like a, like a surreal, like that scene, was it, she takes some sort of drug, and then she's having a full, she has a full day, and she sees that, this is season one, I think. This is two.

Two? Oh, she sees Bingo Bronson. Yes, yes. Abby! You know my voice, Bingo Bronson. That's him. That is you. My nuka, honey.

That's Bingo. Okay, that really struck true to me, just having one cold brew. I was like, that's me with a little bit of caffeine. I'm seeing mystical creatures and I'm in Gowanus. And you have painted on eyebrows.

For some reason, yeah. And actually, from that episode, that crack thing that Ilana cooks, she cooked once for Lucia. Yeah, she made me. So she ate it, was like, I'm so high, went to me. We had to work once. So she ate it. Yes. Was like, I'm so high. Went to bed.

We woke up the next day to go shoot something. Well, I'm going to back you up even a little more. Go for it. We actually did. So I ate it. And then I was going to go watch Paul do a show at Gentrify. Oh, my God. Wow.

Oh, wow. Remember? Oh, wow. But I was so absolutely out of my mind. Because what she actually had me do was actually eat weed, like actual weed that she baked into it. But like, you're just eating weed. But she has a name for it.

What was the name for it? Oh, shoot. I should know it. But it's denser than edibles, though? Yes. Yeah, those things can get crazy. She was laughing to the point of tears. But also, things would happen.

I forget what you did. Something happened. And there was this moment of silence. And I, things would happen. I forget what you did. Something happened. And there was this moment of silence and I was like, what? Yeah, she was like, from the crowd. She was out of it. I had to like leave early. Took her home. She went to bed and then she woke up the next day just as high. We were making a short

and I was like, I had been like for like a year being like, Paul, I want to be in front of the camera too. And so finally he's like, okay, let's do it. And so we'd written a short that I was going to be in and we woke up the next morning to be in that short. So high. And she woke up and she said, oh no, I'm still so high.

From the thing that she serves Abby in that episode that causes the Bingham Bronson. And then you had that experience. You cannot just fuck around with edibles. I swear to God, one time I had an edible that was cooked by someone at work. It was a brownie,

and I thought, it's like Alex, who cares? And I ate it, and when I tell you, I remember I ate it at work. I worked at Brooklyn Crab in Red Hook, and we went to this restaurant,

probably in Gowanus, and I remember I sat down, had ordered food, took one sip of my red wine, and was like, oh, I have to leave right now or I'll die. And I remember I left like and I lived pretty close around there. I somehow made it to my apartment. I remember thinking like seven or eight times I have to lay face down on the street right now. Like I finally get there, laid in my bed.

But I realized I didn't want to lay, it's like the kind of high where you're like, you don't know whether you want music on, not, lay down, stand up, walk around. What happened in The Wizard of Oz with the tornado, it felt like a giant picked up my bedroom and threw it. And I was projectile vomiting

and I was like, this is an edible, this is marijuana? Oof. Alex. Alex! And now he's the GM of that place. Really? Wow.

Does he hook you up when you swing by? Mm-mm, we have a toxic relationship. Oh. Sorry, we went there. Can barely go there. Oh, wow. This is at BC? This is at Brooklyn Crab.

I love the institution. We love Brooklyn Crab. But it's that thing of like, we were both servers together This is at BC? This is at Brooklyn Crab. I love the institution. We love Brooklyn Crab. But it's that thing of like, we were both servers together and he did this shitty thing one time where it was almost 10 p.m. and the restaurant was closing and at 9.50 p.m. a table walked in

and he said to the hostess, don't give me that table. And she was scared of him so she gave it to someone else. And I was like, you're a piece of shit. I was like, that sucks. I feel like I got in else and I was like, you're a piece of shit. I was like, that sucks. Like I fully got in his face

and was like, you suck to work with. You're not like, like this is really like, that was fucked up what you did and I see it and like, I'm not afraid of you

and then he became GM. Wow. Social justice. Okay. That's standing up. And that's why you just keep your mouth shut at your restaurant job

because it's just a job. But I always got like very involved socially at my restaurant jobs. Really? At my service jobs. I don't know why. I think everybody does. I mean, for me, that happened. Like everybody right after we would end, especially if it was a weekend, would immediately go

and spend half the money they just made on drinks. And then it'd be like this weird little circle of like who was going to hook up with who. It was rough. It became a community. Yeah. Yeah. Did you wait tables? became a community. Yeah. Yeah. Did you weigh tables? Oh, yeah.

I did too. You did too? Yeah. I weighted at Tavern on the Green. Wow. And one Central Park South in the Plaza Hotel where you don't get tips because it's all like tourists, you know, it's like European tourists. And so I did not make my, I thought I would make a ton there and I made nothing.

Oh, gee. Wow. No, those like nice restaurants often they're traps yes oh yeah for the people working in them yeah

you think it's gonna be oh it's gonna be great tips and it's really not no how long did you work there I worked there for a summer and then I worked at Tavern for a summer

and I it was like 100 degrees in New York in the summer and you have to wear like a tuxedo in the outdoors so I one day at the end of my have to wear like a tuxedo in the outdoors. So I one day at the end of my shift

walked off with a tuxedo and never went back. I was like, I can't. But you kept the duds. I did. I have like a mint green very short tuxedo jacket. Okay. Yeah. Anybody wants to borrow it? I think it could be cute. I should wear it to something. You really should. And also I remember Justifying having like

bizarre clothes because like when you're in a sketch company, it's a prop. Please. The amount of bizarre props we have. Do you know that we have a storage container in Hollywood? Storage unit. Oh, great.

Yeah, unit. Amazing. Wow. Give us a little walkthrough. Well, okay. It had to be air conditioned because of the wigs. Oh, yeah. I didn't want the wigs melting or getting flat.

So air conditioned. It's actually rule of culture number 93. Take care of your wigs. Truly. Truly. What's, what's, what's, how do you individually contain them? Cause Cole does the donut boxes, the Edelman's cakes boxes. Oh wow.

Oh, that's good. He's serious about his very expensive. Well, he has like very expensive wigs. Yeah, his remarks are better than ours. Yeah, yeah. Ours are like. Ours are container store plastic case. Yeah, like, like Tupperware, you know, they're kind of just in there

but they're in a little bag we try in case we have to go back to sketch have to get to I also have a huge bin and I refuse to get rid of it for that reason I think I have a few bags of like

mint green tuxedos and like wigs that I'll never use, but I won't give them away. I have three prop guns just in a closet. That's good to have. That's problematic. Thank you. Did you ever travel to sketch festivals?

Of course every sketch in 2009 to 2013 had guns in them. Well, I had a, I was doing my second solo show, sad sentence, my second solo show at UCB. Was that Full Blown Downs? Full Blown Downs, yes, thank you. And I had a suitcase full of props,

which included a gun, a soft dildo, a baby doll, all kinds of things. Like very, very, very, because the baby, you wanted it to look like a real baby, so it was very, I got it in Gowan to look like a real baby. So it was very,

I got it. I got it in Gowanus. So it was. I got it in Gowanus and it was scary. Like it was for, you know, I don't even know who buys these things. Yeah.

Yeah. It's for like sad people who don't have babies and they want like a real baby. And we went, we did the show, such a smash hit, such a huge success

that we went out afterward. Celebrate. We had some food at our favorite restaurant, now closed. And when we got back to the place we were staying, I realized I left that suitcase with everything in the cab. Oh. And I had a show in LA. I appreciate the we. Yes.

We had a show. We had to come back to LA to do it in LA. So I had to track down. I got the receipt. I Googled until I found a PDF of a spreadsheet. Of taxi medallions. So I had to track down. I got the receipt. I googled till I found a PDF of a spreadsheet. Of taxi medallions. Found this person's name

and number. Called his home. Whatever. His home. Called his home. Called his home. I had to go through three people until somebody who spoke English was like oh you're looking for my uncle. He dropped your suitcase in Williamsburg

at the police station or in Greenpoint. I went there. And when I went there, they were like, uh-huh. They went back and they had everything in evidence bags because it was like weird ass, like dildos and baby dolls. Totally true. Totally true story. And I was like, okay, this is only half of it.

Where's the rest? I need my wigs and I need my MTV Europe t-shirt. And they were like, the rest of it was sent to evidence holding in Queens. This was the most insane. We had to go to Queens. We went to an evidence storage locker. Which they were closing because by the time we got there, it took hours to get there. It was really hard.

But you got mostly all of it back. I got almost all of it back. Do you remember what was missing? Like what you didn't get back? I think it was some Yevgeny and Yevskaya stuff. I think it back. I got almost all of it back. Do you remember what was missing? Like what you didn't get back? I think it was some Yevgeny and Yevskaya stuff. I think it was. Yeah. I had an MTV VJ.

MTV. I remember. No, I remember. I think wigs might, it'll round the corner again. It'll come full circle. It'll come back. It's like fascism.

It'll be like so in style and popular. Like whatever. Anyway, that was sad. Whenever Bowen is stressed out at work, I'm like, well, just remember, it's wigs. That's good. That's good. But no.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so listen. Here on Less Culture Recess, we do ask a question of our guests. And that question gets asked each and every episode. And it is a special question. It is, what is the culture that made you say

culture is for you? So this is the pop culture or formative culture in your life that you feel looking back, you were like, okay, that's why I am this. Ready? Wow. Yeah, let's go to Lucia first.

Road rules. Whoa. Okay, so. Road rules and not real world? Yes. Wow. Why not? Why not real world?

Okay, real world, great, love it. Yeah. It got me in. Yeah, sure. And I'm grateful for that. Thank you. Yes. But road rules showed me the world. Yeah. It got me in. Yeah. And I'm grateful for that. Thank you. Yes. But road rules showed me the world.

Yeah. Wow. Because the real world was only showing you the continental U.S. That's exactly right. A hundred percent. Until it went to London and then we were opening the world, but still we're still closed. Right. Now road rules showed me, it showed me anything.

I'd never been to, you know, Tucson, Arizona. I'd never been to the Caribbean. I'd never been to you know Tucson, Arizona I'd never been to the Caribbean I'd never been to these places the world the world well because it expanded those are the two places first Tucson then the world

and so I really felt like I was able to see the see the world through the eyes of people who were older than me but not dramatically older than me

and they were like fumbling and dumb and like falling in love and doing stupid things and getting drunk and making out in hot tubs, which was like, sounds good. And they were hot. But they were all hot, beautiful people. And, but they were also, I don't know if I felt like showing me the world in a way that felt like documentary without being boring.

Totally. Yeah. Um, and I loved it and I became obsessed with road rules and I would like, I, where I grew up, Western Massachusetts has a lot of colleges. This was really at the height of road rules when I was in middle school and high school. A lot of the people from road rules would do speaking tours afterwards. Would they go to UMass? Yes, exactly.

UMass, Amherst, Smith College, Manhattan, and Hampshire. What were their speeches about? What did they lecture about? They would talk about it. It depends on who they were. Like, you know, some people would talk about

drinking problems or LGBTQ or anorexia, whatever it was, their specific, like the way they got in. Their narrative. Their narrative was then

what they would continue to talk about, but in a way that actually was cool. And I would go and like watch them and sometimes like, you and sometimes talk to them afterwards if I could or whatever.

So it became this Socratic thing for you. Were you really like... I was going to say the same thing. I was going to say it became a Socratic thing. Plato and that, very that. If we want to take it a step further. And we do. Do you? We do. I want to take this to the last step. Well, I don want to take it a step further. And we do. Do you?

We do. I want to take this to the last step. Well, I don't know about the last step, but the next step was that when I went to college, I kind of thought what I was going to do with my life was try to create something that was in the realm of road rules and that it would kind of explore youth culture around the world because I was fascinated by it. And I wasn't exactly somebody like never left my town. Like I traveled a fair amount, but not as extensively, I guess, as I would have liked to. And so I really thought I was going to end up doing something that was,

I guess it turned out to be vice. So they got me there, but I really was really excited about that. That's like kind of what I thought I was going to do and I you know it wasn't exactly like comedy or directing or performing or anything

obviously which I got to later but but that is really actually what I thought I was going to do with my life and it was kind of

inspired by my love of road rules wow they also like road rules and also real world what I appreciate about them is

they also expose like, Road Rules and also Real World, what I appreciate about them is they also expose, like, a lot of LGBTQ people before anyone else. Like, of course, there's, like, famously and iconically Pedro, and that was also, like, an important, like, step in the AIDS story, I think. Huge. But also, every season, and I'd be actually curious to watch it again now

because I want to know how much of a straight gaze we're seeing it through and how much it holds up but just like the representation period of and I guess like famously

Karamo too now on Queer Eye he was on Real World oh he was? yes I didn't know that the narrative around him in his season

of the Real World was like what do you mean this like straight seeming black guy is gay? And that's like, I'd be interested to see it now, but I remember the two straight white meatheads were like, what? But it was like, I guess important for many people like those two dudes to see someone like this. And that is, I guess, what I really liked about those shows in the beginning and then it felt kind of like

oh are you just like putting a bunch of different people together that you know are going to fight because that's ratings but it was important there for a while

it was Las Vegas was a turning point Las Vegas was it's actually Rural Culture number 103 Las Vegas was a turning point but prior to that and that was the

Trisha season Trishel Trishel season but prior to that it was actually just aisha season Trishel Trishel season but prior to that it was actually just a bunch of interesting people who were figuring it out

and they were like weird types and then after that it just became well season one was like indie film of real world it really was

and then it became like don't they have like exes come in now yeah that was there's like now gimmicks to make them like physically fight each other

it's become much more gladiator it's like we found a racist and someone black and we're gonna put them in a house and see what happens like

it's very crazy but road rules and bikes that was it did add that travel element and you like it is like for me growing up

like I similar like my world was pretty small I would imagine you stayed in western Massachusetts a lot cause I was on Long Island like all the time. We never went to anywhere

except Orlando. But seeing the world was like, wow, that's kind of interesting that there's a whole big world out there. And then the challenge, too. The challenge. Did you watch the challenge?

I did. I was a little less into the challenge, but of course I watched it. What am I kidding? If I say The Miz, we're speaking the language. The Miz is like a comedian

famous comedian yeah I think so what right I think just but like it has a website

that's like it just has a website I'll leave it at that his website is themizcomedy.com or is he the wrestler he's a thriving comedian I'm looking it up

yeah look it up please oh my god that's a good one see like I never watched it Road Rules well you didn't have cable you didn't have cable he my God, that's a good one. See, I never watched any of those. Road Rules? Well, you didn't have cable. You didn't have cable?

No, he's a wrestler. He's a wrestler. But I had a general awareness of these things. But the only thing I have to add to this conversation is that there was such a cultural locus of a moment when people making out in hot tubs was like the coolest thing you could possibly see on TV. I mean, that was Trishel.

Oh. That was Trishel and Steven. Yes. And that was, remember there was like a pregnancy scare. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wow. That was a good one. That was a good season. I auditioned for that season. What? You did not. Yes. You sent in tapes?

And I think Chris Kelly also, turns out, also auditioned for that season. Wait. So Chris Kelly was almost the gay on a season of Real World? Could you imagine if they met there? You made,

oh my God. That's actually my origin. Could you imagine? You guys would? You made, oh my God. That's actually my, could you imagine? You guys were the best friends. Of course, that would have been my, yeah, that's my origin story. Oh, they would have broken season one of the other two years ago.

Years ago. Oh, yeah. I didn't get that far. I did it in person. Wow. Yes, I did it in person. I didn't get very far, but my thing,

I had like my whole, because I, you know, was well versed in this. Yes. And so I came in with like, here's my point. Here's my, what makes me unique. Here's why you won. I think I just turned 18. Okay well-versed in this. Yes. And so I came in with, like, here's my point. Here's what makes me unique.

Like, you know? Here's why you won. I think I just turned 18. Okay, cool. Oh, young. Yes. And the moment the clock struck, I was ready. You had an application filled out.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I was like, okay. I mean, I don't need to get into my whole story, but I dropped out of high school and got my GED. But then I was a freshman. I was in my first year at Columbia. I had transferred in. I played tennis. But I was also like, but I dropped out of high school and got my GED, but then I was a freshman. I was in my first year at Columbia. I had transferred in.

I played tennis, but I was also like, but I'm also a virgin. Like, I had all these things I was going. I was like- Pastor. Smart virgin, great.

Yeah, like I was like, you just don't know with me. Yeah. And that was kind of my thing. That is good. That's a good hook. And I didn't get very far. Damn it.

You know, when I first met Lucia, honestly, maybe the first few months I knew you, she auditioned to be a VJ. Yeah, MTV. I'd gotten kind of far on that one. Yeah, I remember we met in the day and had a drink. And you were going to, yeah. Yeah, that one I originally did send in a tape and then I got called in a bit. But they kept being like, you need to be a little more excited and a little bit more upbeat.

And I was like, that's not what I'm starting. Can I tell you something? I also auditioned to be a VJ. And they told me to tone it down. Because I was like, come on, guys. I was like, I'm my natural. They tell me this in every single audition. They're like, cool, now do it normal.

Oh, no. That's so. No. It's insane. We would have been an amazing duo. Honestly, that would have been good. What a funny duo. That's the other two. That's good, yin yang. That's so. No. It's insane. No. No. We would have been an amazing duo. Honestly, that would have been good. What a funny duo. That's the other two.

That's good, Yin Yang. That's right. That's what the other two should be. Let's talk off mic about what the other two should be. Wow. Oh my God. Okay, enough about me. Is this VJ stuff post right after like the Simon Rex era of things?

This was like way past Simon Rex. This is past Simon Rex, but right around when his solo tape came out. Yeah, this is right around like a butthole Simon Rex. Inspiration for a Broad City storyline. Oh! Yes, that's right. Yes, a fantastic arc.

I can take very little credit. I can't take any really for that. No. Except for the masturbation. But you guys, but I mean, a lot of that stuff was just like, Simon Rex on a pool float,

and then they just had Trey on a pool float. Yeah, I was on towels and yeah. I believe he was on his back in a towel. Yeah, he was on his back in a towel outside of the pool and sort of like disassociating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, oh this is sad, but I'm still here. It was the Native American thing

where his soul was being taken. Yeah, of course. The camera was taking his soul. They were right about that with him. Okay, let's move on to Paul. Paul, what was the culture? What made you say culture was for you? Wow.

I think, honestly, the thing that I used to watch that I think no one when I was 13 watched was absolutely fabulous. Wow. I think, honestly, the thing that I used to watch that I think no one when I was like 13 watched was absolutely fabulous. Wow. I used to watch it when I was a kid. That was my thing. Fab. What was it about it? Was it just like, I think this is funny and I don't know why.

Yes. I think the specific thing was I was like, I don't get it. I love it. You know? And the audience was so into it. Yeah. And even just in the translation of the language i was like what are they talking about but i knew i liked the energy and i knew i liked it and i was

like i wanted to be in yeah and you know there are certain things that you get of course you get like saffy you get you know you get saffy and patsy you get their dynamics so it's clear i wasn't like you know yeah fully out i got some of it yeah i was like, I understood. But, um, yeah, I think that was it. Yeah. There, there are those things like that, like,

it's like you, you want to hear it, but you don't know why or watch it for, I say here because mine was, I would listen to Margaret Cho standup albums without understanding a single joke. But I knew that it was for me. I was like, I know this joke about like,

but sex is for me, even though I'm, I don't know me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I know this joke about like butt sex is for me, even though I don't know yet what butt sex is. You know, I just was like, it's those things that you connect to and you're like, why? And do you think a little, how did you hear about Ab Fab? Well, it was on Comedy Central. And I used to watch Comedy Central and I would watch like Premium Roast or whatever the stand-up half hours were. And I mean back then it was like Paula Poundstone. And it was just like – I feel like Comedy Central was very weird and I watched that a lot. I watched Channel 32.

And Ab Fab was one of the things that they played. So I think it was also like way after probably it was ever on in the UK. Because then they would do marathons. They would have marathons of a weekend. It was just that. So I think I, it was like the first thing I binged ever. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, yeah. Binging has been happening for a long time. Cause that was a thing like on like MTV VH1 where there'd be whole weekends where just top model would be on the whole time. Like that was like, that was like, does that still happen? Like I remember at Law and and SVU marathons. Oh yeah, and you could just plant and watch it. And then you would.

I can watch all of that. Yeah. No, because it's easy and there is like an argument for like that quote unquote easy television to watch. Like everyone's like,

this is like easy to write or whatever, but it's like, no, that's fun and good. It's still television. Like that's procedural. It's,

you know the procedure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also sitcom, a situation it's you know the procedure yeah yeah yeah yeah and also sitcom a situation comedy we know the situation

it's clear we can see it this is actually I'm happy you're listening to this podcast which is what is sitcoms yeah yeah

we should let people know we should let people know Alec is leaving Alec is leaving so what about this conversation turned you off Alec yeah wow he really got mad should I speak for myself

yeah go speak I can't handle comedy oh wow So what about this conversation turned you off, Alec? Yeah, wow, he really got mad. Should I speak for myself? Yeah, go, speak. I can't handle comedy. Oh! These normals. I don't like comedy either. Yeah. None of us do. Flat out, I really don't watch

a lot of comedy, though. I watch only some. Well, we've been watching. We have been watching lately. Yeah. Comedy's changing. Comedy's changing all the time. But Chris and Sarah came in

and they were like, the last thing we wanted to do when we would go home from shooting the other two or just even writing it was just watching more comedy and seeing the production behind it. Absolutely.

When we were making the movie, we just watched all the Hunger Games movies. We were like, how do we escape and watch something not like anything? The rare times we would watch like a comedy or whatever I'd be like look at this coverage

how much time did they have I don't get that much time yeah yeah yeah you know what I think about sometimes is like literally like whenever there's a small character

I'm like yeah they booked that you know what I mean I think of their audition I think of like them being on set and I'm like I wonder how nervous

that actor is because like if I have a small role in anything I on set and I'm like I wonder how nervous that actor is because like if I ever have a small role in anything I'm always like I'm here I can see that actor kind of being like I don't know

I just see the work of course in a way and also like I wonder what take of that that was or I wonder how

they got there sure yeah I mean like god it's a curse to be working in the industry it's such a curse it's such a burden I can't enjoy things anymore no but I mean like God, it's a curse to be working in the industry It's such a curse, it's such a burden

I can't enjoy things anymore I mean, it is like It's not an aversion or anything, it's just a fatigue probably For me, it's like, I go home and literally and what Chris and Sarah said was that they put on a house a housewives

We heard theirs and it was a lot of housewives which we don't watch and I have to be honest sorry I don't mean to interrupt your no no no that was my thought that

I have this feeling where I I don't really watch housewives I've seen them here and there if you say the names I know Bethany I know who Durand is

but I don't like know well you know Countess Luanne well I do well I'm a fan of her music I even got that we love the music but we don't want don't know and no, no. Well, you know, Countess Luanne. Well, I'm a fan of her music. I even got that. Love the music. But we don't want, don't know.

And it's, I'm not asking, I guess, for you guys to like, convince me because obviously it's like, I don't need to be convinced, but, um,

why? I just feel, I'm just trying to like, no, no. Are you asking us why we like it? No, I guess a little bit why you like it slash how does it not come off as feeling like

exploitative of women who are maybe a little bit. See, I slash how does it not come off as feeling like exploitative of women who are maybe a little bit see i'm happy you asked that i was very anti the housewives like and really even the kardashians i was like i sort of get why people like it but the housewives felt to me like oh you're just like taking women who are like bored and potentially sad and maybe even have like alcohol issues and you're pitting them against each other, it's reductive, flat out, without having seen it. Our friend Sudi fucking loved it. But then I watched it and I was like,

actually, those are not often the narratives. If they have an issue with alcohol, it's the friends all being concerned they have an issue with alcohol. Am I convincing you at all? So yes, there are the problems that you're saying. I don't need to be convinced. I genuinely just.

You're just curious? Yeah, I'm curious. I thought of Housewives in those terms as well before I started watching. And I'm still not fully like mired in it like you might be or Chris and Sarah might be. But I thought, wow, this is such a dumb show, dumb thing, and why am I interested in these women are humorless?

But then you watch it, and like, in the cut, you see these little slice of life things, and then you're just like, oh, like, they have these nuanced thoughts, too, and they're sharing them, and they're like, going about their lives, like, not sure where like, where their money is gonna come from. It's like, it's like these are like, I like it psychologically. Psychologically, it's interesting.

Because sometimes it's like, to see these women who are experiencing this, like, heightened life, the way they react to each other, and like, interact with each other, I'm like,

that's so interesting that you would call her that. And it's like, you know what I mean? Or act this way. Right, right. And I think they are such characters. Yes. And they look for that, that it's like, I just haven't seen? Or act this way. And I think they are such characters. And they look for that.

That it's like, I just haven't seen anyone like Sonia Morgan ever in my life. And so I am fascinated. I do think it's funny. And then it is a question though, am I laughing at her or with her? And I think actually Chris brought this up the other day. Or Sarah brought this up in the room. It's like, I don't know. It's both.

It switches off between both. And my thing is, it's a blueprint for conflict or intimacy in which, in terms of like, you're seeing people be friends in ways, in all these different ways and you're like,

I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna be a friend like Dorinda is to Sonia. Or I am gonna be a friend like Bethany is to Ramona. It's like, you see these little examples. Just by example,

you're like, oh, I like what's going on here. I, I like what's going on here, I don't like what's going on here, and I can pick and choose for myself. And then the same goes for when people get into fights. I'm like,

oh, they're dealing with this horribly, or they're actually dealing with this very well. And it's sort of like, it gives you a full tapestry of like experience. I found something positive

about it just now. Sometimes when I watch it, I'm more like, I'm like, I'm gonna tell this person that I'm thinking something because I just saw it. Like,

it kind of puts me in the space to be, not like, it doesn't drive conflict in me, but it's like, when I see this person later, I'm going to just flat out tell them and see if they respond

or how they'll respond. And honestly, I think from watching that show, it has like, encouraged me to say what I think and feel a little bit more. So it inspires you

to be more honest in your relationships. Honestly, yes. That's great. That's good. That's cool. And that's positive for me. That is good.

Do you feel you guys are honest in all your relationships? I mean, yeah. No, I don't like confrontation. Yeah. But I mean, I feel like I'm, but I do feel like, because I always just think this when I watch a sitcom, I'd always be like, just tell them what you did. You know, like, Joey, tell Chandler you drank it all you know like i'd always be like just be honest

and then you can get it you know what i mean like yeah right so that always used to be a bump for me with like i love lucy i'd be like just tell ricky you want the fur you know we can cut this off you can get you know which i know is not you have such good for comedy conflicts for all of these for i love lucy and. You want the fur. Tell them you drank it all. That's how you boil down Friends. That and gay panic. And gay panic.

But wait, boil it down for Ab Fab. Because I truly, this is bad, me bad, media diet. Me bad, media diet. I truly, besides like Jennifer Saunders, I'm like, I don't really know what else the show sort of revolves around. So I think it's actually based on a real publicist in the UK.

Uh-huh. And it was originally a sketch because I also then, once I found out about them, I started watching French and Saunders sketches. Yes. Which I had to get on VHS. Uh-huh. Because it's like, you know, I don't know.

It's so like, it's niche. It's niche. It's back. It wasn't, you know. Yeah. And it's so it's niche it's back it wasn't you know yeah and Don French and Jennifer Saunders were a comedy team

and they did really funny that stuff was easy to because it was sketch it was easy to you know relate to it was very accessible no matter what

whereas Ab Fab was like weird like rich posh English Holland Park references. And you were like, you know, it was very hard to access as a 13-year-old kid. But yeah, so it's this woman who's like single mom, doesn't want to be a mom,

loves to drink, has a best friend. It's kind of like Broad City. It's like two women who are best friends and like get into trouble all the time and should not be parents and should not be mothers. Only one is the mother, right? It's like two women who are best friends and get into trouble all the time and should not be parents and should not be mothers. Only one is the mother, right? Yeah, just Jennifer Saunders is the mother to Safi, who's like a very type A buttoned up daughter. The daughter's like the mom.

Who's always looking down on her and her best friend Patsy who get drunk and do drugs and go crazy and live a life of excess. They do tons of drugs. They do cocaine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're constantly drunk. I think Patsy smokes and falls asleep wasted and burns down the house in one episode. Oh, my Lord. Yeah.

Did that answer the question? Yes, yes. I don't know. That's the dynamic of the show is two best friends who get into a lot of trouble. Get into a lot of trouble and does share DNA with Patsy. I also think it's a thing of like big,

broad characters which I think we all kind of saw like growing up like for example Austin Powers. Yeah. I fucking lived for Austin Powers.

Yeah. I loved how broad it was. Yeah. I loved how all the characters were like stupid and big and even Ron Burgundy I loved that shit.

Yeah. And now I feel like do they do that anymore? No. No. They don't do that Miranda Sings did it Miranda Sings yeah

yeah but that would then break through in like a mainstream way where everyone was like yeah niche show so I feel like now even the stuff

that I respond to like I love like Summer Heights High I mean I almost said that but I was like I don't think that's what you're looking for

but Summer Heights High was Summer Heights High and most recently Pen15 is Summer Heights High for me now. And I'm like, these are the things that are... Because the performances are so anthropological and subtle and good, it's so real. Even though the stakes are crazy heightened and it's insanely broad. It's insanely broad for two adult women to play children or for Mr. G or for Jemay to be

like a 35 year old man who's playing like a girl who's dating a 7 year old boy. Those scenes when he's breaking up with her like 7th grade boyfriend I'm like, because you forget. You forget. They disappear into those characters. Even in Angry Boys

just him playing just the fucking Japanese lady. Forcing her son to be gay. To be gay, even though he was straight. I never thought, I never had a problem with him doing anything. It always felt so

honest. And that is, of course, my place to say. Honestly, and this is just me, did not fully hate him playing an Asian woman. I was like, but this is funny. Also, your favorite sketch character ever is, of course, Miss Swan. Not ever.

I don't know about that. I've defended her on a couple of things. Oh, wow. That's all. Okay. I don't know. And it was whatever. We don't have to get into that.

I missed that. I missed that. Because it really whatever. We don't have to get into that. But yeah, Brockhead. I missed that. I missed that. Because it really doesn't happen that much. It might come back. I think it will. Wigs? Yeah, it might.

I think right now we're in this moment of important. You know what I mean? It's like everything on TV. If it's not like sort of, you know, this is why I loved Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. I loved the big characters. And I love joke, joke, joke, joke, is why I loved Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. I loved the big characters and I loved Joke, Joke,

Joke, Joke, Joke. I just really liked that. It feels like you get that and that's like out there and this is why I love the other two actually

is it feels like a combination of these two things. It's like heavy jokes in the script meets interesting characters with a point of view we haven't seen but in the supporting characters

are big and fun like that. But it feels like a combination between that sort of Tina Fey type sensibility of there's jokes everywhere and also this sort of girls insecure type thing where it's like it's a comedy because someone smiles every now and then. Right, right, right. Which is something Chris said the other day, which I thought was funny. But it's a fusion of that I think that is what I'm looking for in television

which I think Pen15 also has but yes the other two for sure is hard comedy but also has that seriousness and groundedness and heart and also I don't know if you two would ever just cop to this but I feel like Pen15 exists

probably because Broad City exists. I would say like, Broad City changed a lot. It changed so much and like, thank God it did and like Pen15, like I'm just like,

yeah, like I'm like, I don't know. I'm not saying like it needed one thing in order to exist or like be this thing, but it's like,

it evolved out of this model, this mental model for people to be like, oh, well this succeeded in some iteration before and so let's do it and thank God and now it's like, oh, well, this succeeded in some iteration before, and so let's do it. And thank God. And now it's

like, and Pen15 is honestly this show that is totally not concerned with prestige. Same goes for Broad City, of course, but it's just about the jokes and the situations and the characters and the relationships. Like, that is what, I don't know, is that fair to say? Well, thanks. That's cool. I mean, I think

we all stand on the shoulders of giants. Wow you know there's there's stuff that I think we watch that make us feel like that's you know like if it wasn't for strangers for with candy right you know like would we even be able to make something that yeah like that was that hard comedy and I don't know I think I think that's true I think you know there is like this zeitgeist evolution of things that bleed into each other but I think more than anything what I respond to when I watch Pen15 is something that I think is almost

subconscious and was true of Broad City season one which was what you guys were talking about before which is it was a lot of kids without a teacher in the classroom making things up and I think season one certainly certainly, of Broad City, and I don't know about Pen15, but we had probably the least amount of notes we ever had

because it was like, maybe it'll work. Go for it. Try your thing. You know, no one really knew. And so there wasn't a lot of cooks in the kitchen and there wasn't a lot of like network meddling. You know what I mean? There was just like, go try this thing.

And when it works, then there are more eyeballs on it and there's more consideration and it becomes a different thing. But Pen15 does feel to me like they're doing something that tickles them and it's very, very distinct and specific

and the point of view is like their own. And I don't know, you can feel that there's no adults. You know, it just feels like, it just feels so fun. That's great.

And that's the thing too is like when you see the work because you do that work, you can also kind of see when something's been watered down. Absolutely. I mean – and that sucks. And I think now being aware of that, I go easier on like the creators of that thing because I'm like, well, that wasn't their fault. You know what I mean? Well, that's the thing.

I feel like edges can be rounded off so much because especially the more money that's invested in something, the more people are like, let's make sure it works and it's good. And I think intention is always right. You know, we always look for the note behind the note when we hear a note. But when it has that much money, people become risk averse and they have to protect their thing to an extent. And that means that unfortunately, I think a lot of the best stuff is risky. Yeah. And so it's like, you know, either invest very little or a lot or whatever, but no matter what it is, just make it a risk.

I think it's more interesting. Absolutely. It might fail. And I think in some ways, the fact that there's so many more platforms and there's so many more offerings, you can still be risky. Yeah. Right. And we've talked about this with Chris and Sarah.

It's also harder to like break through because there's, you know, there's so much going on. Yeah. It's like if you're on Netflix. And also Trump's on the news constantly. So it's like there's no think pieces about television anymore because yeah but um i think trump the the fact that trump is everywhere might lead us towards what we were saying like that kind of like idea of just i don't not more broad because broad isn't necessarily better but like bigger sillier comedy yeah or like just like things that exist because they

want to exist in a way and not like things that are trying to be trying to say something all the time. I think potentially there could be a rise of rom-coms because it's like fantasy. I think we're looking for an escape. Truly. Notting Hill was on and we like didn't stop watching it. It's not like we hadn't seen it but it's like

you just want that right now I just want that I want people who make mistakes fumble through and then do the right thing you know and then they're together I love romantic comedies

I miss them I loved Isn't It Romantic oh it was fun oh it was great it was so fun really fun I stayed up till 3am watching fucking

When Harry Met Sally and I was like this is so nice right you are the third person who's told me that in the last two fucking When Harry Met Sally, and I was like, this is so nice. Right? This is comfort food. You are the third person who's told me that in the last two weeks. When Harry Met Sally is having like a moment. I'm just like reading a bunch of Nora Ephron stuff.

I'm just reading her old books, and I'm like, oh, she's got this. One of the giants. She fucking knows. One of the giants. That we still have on. God, how good was Meg Ryan? So good. I mean, still.

She is so good. But you see her, and I'm also like, are there people like Meg Ryan? Yes, I'm sure there are, but I'm like, wow. She was just so good but you see her I'm also like are there people like Meg Ryan yes I'm sure there are but I'm like wow she was just so good so we watched Baby Boom recently and that's another one

that you're like oh of course Diane Keaton is Diane Keaton hats gloves and shoes you know this she's Diane Keaton but when you watch her

and something like that you're like she did so much in a scene where there's no dialogue you're like oh my god how funny and good and that's another thing about noticing the work

is you can also notice when the work is really fucking good. It comes really easily to someone. Meg Ryan, that is someone you could take for granted because she makes it look so easy. Meg Ryan in her prime, when Harry met Sally, you can't just learn how to be that charming. That's a movie star. She literally did wasn't,

she like did not have any acting training. Yeah. Just like came out of journalism school and was like, I guess I'll try. I didn't know that. Yeah,

she was like, I'll audition for commercials because this is how I make money. She was in a burger commercial and then like people were like, who's that? Let's make her a star. Yeah.

Damn. And then she like had it from the beginning. Isn't that crazy? You ever seen French Kiss? You ever seen that? Okay, no,

this is one that I have to see. I hear nothing but amazing things about French Kiss. French Kiss is so good. Okay, what is it? What is it? Some people think it's broad because Kevin Kline is in it and he's playing French, but I'm like, that's great. I'm like, give me Kevin Kline playing French.

Give me a French accent. Here's the premise. She's afraid of flying. Her fiance goes to Paris, meets a woman and breaks it off. Okay. fiance goes to Paris, meets a woman and breaks it off. So she gets on a plane with someone who is this French cad, tramp,

smuggler. And because of a little mix-up with their bags, an intentional mix-up, they become kind of like a duo as she tries to get back her fiance. And he helps sort of navigate. It is so good.

And let me guess. You can't. You really can't. You can't. I love that. I miss that. Like, I miss Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock in those types of movies. Not that they shouldn't do whatever they want.

But like. But yeah. I do. Like, I need that scene of someone telling someone what they mean to them in a high stakes environment with people watching. Yes. Like that scene at the end of The Proposal. Yes. When Ryan Reynolds comes in and there's actually a really bad continuity error in that scene, which I see every single time.

Like her hair. The curse of being in the industry. Her hair is fully styled differently. Oh, no. In one scene to the next. It might be a reshoot. You never know. Some hair person is so upset right now. I know. It might be a reshoot. You never know. Some hair person is so upset right now.

It might be a reshoot. If it's at the end, maybe it is a reshoot. It might have been, to be honest. She's like, what are you doing here? It cuts to him, and then it cuts back to her, and she's like, got her full spray tan. Oh, my God. No, not that, but her hair is so different.

This is like a drop, but I'm going to do it. We did some reshoots for Rough Night, and we did a screening, and one of our characters had cut all of her hair off so she was wearing a wig for a couple of the shots but it was such a good

and expensive wig you could not tell unless you're RuPaul and he was at the screening and he was like, the one scene, Jillian's in a wig and we were like,

yep, and he was like, it's good. Oh my God. We were like, oh my God. He cracked it but then he complimented it. He did say it was good. He said, no one else like, oh my God. He corrected, but then he complimented it.

He did say it was good. He said, no one else will notice but me, but I just want to make sure. He's like, I was pretty sure. Angel on earth, I'll say that.

What scene is the wig? What scene is the wig? They're eating pizza, deciding what to do pretty soon after the dance. Yes, yes. And yeah,

there's just one little line we needed to bridge to cut the relationship. Is she wearing a wig at the wedding at the end? I think she might be. Yes, and at the very end. But those are mostly wide shots, so we got to wait for cut that we didn't. Is she wearing a wig at the wedding at the end? I think she might be. Yes, at the very end. But those are mostly wide shots.

I've noticed that wigs happen a lot in those ending scenes. Like in Legally Blonde, at the end of the movie, Reese Witherspoon is in this egregious wig. Oh, the graduation.

Do you know what I'm talking about? At the graduation scene, she tucks it and... Does this in the front? It's this insane middle part that's a different color than what she's just had and it's just like

the way she's lit she looks so different and it's just so funny yeah but it is like egregious yeah I

think god I just love that movie I really do Bigly Blonde which one Rough Night oh Rough Night thank you

we need to bring it back to that no no no. I know. But like Elliot came on and I was just like, God, what a good fucking, I just like bring it up

when there's any peripheral connection to Paul. No, we do love it. And also that is the cast. The cast. I mean, what a dream. That is the cast. Oh, can I drop? Can I drop now?

Yes. Alana, Angel on this Earth, was just talking to Zoe at this Christmas party I was at. Uh-huh. And she goes, Bowen, you should meet Zoe. You met Zoe? Well, I met Zoe when Mamoa hosted. Of course. It was literally the whole gang.

It was Mamoa, fucking Lisa, Zoe, Lenny. What a group. What a good group. All in the dressing room. and then I had to run in with monologue changes and I was like hey Jason so

so it's between these two jokes like we gotta make one cut so between these two what do you like I told you this right and they were like Lisa was like

it's gotta be this one you make the Hawaiian God joke and then and then Zoe's like yeah no you know Hawaiian God and then Lenny's like wait what's going on

oh yeah that one wait Lenny was there too they were all no way making this decision Zoe's funny Zoe's funny Zoe has something

where she really gets it truly she really understands like people will think this is funny in a way that I should have as much confidence as she does

as the director she watched an early cut and there were some things that didn't make it and she was like this joke and this joke you need to put in and we were like

I tell you what we'll try it we'll test it and we did and we did testing and they were they both killed were huge

and we were like you were so right she really has a she's smart she's smart she's funny I love her all of them

we love them all her angels she used to call them my angels they are the angels I love them we both I mean honestly could not have been luckier to have those women We love them all. Her angels, she used to call them. My angels. They're my angels. They are the angels. I love them all. We both, I mean, honestly,

could not have been luckier to have those women. They love each other. They're still in a text chain. Oh, they're really? Oh, yeah. And I think, I believe, you can ask her, Kate carried around a picture of all of them. Yes, I think she has.

I think maybe in her wallet still does. Who knows? She has paraphernalia in her office from set, I think. You so bought the bond between them. I was like, I could just watch them do a whole four more hours. Ty Burrell and Demi Moore. Demi Moore is an icon.

They're both so hot. I met Demi Moore. Actually, I also met Jillian at Sundance. And Demi Moore was coming in and I was so gagged for Demi Moore to come in. And let me tell you what happened. So I'm interviewing Demi Moore along with Jessica Williams,

Ed Helms, and Karin Soni, who's on Miracle Workers. Who's also in Rough Night. Oh my gosh, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's so great. And they're all in this movie together, which is called Corporate Animals.

It's coming out soon. It was at Sundance. And it's basically about this corporate bunch of people that work together. And Demi Moore's the head of this company. And they go on a corporate retreat. And they end up, their guy dies. And it becomes like a cannibalism situation.

Okay. So it's a very heightened comedy. So they're all wearing these, like Demi Moore comes in, she's wearing like all these fun clothes. She's like here to promote her comedy. Yes. So I'm like doing my bit with her. I'm hosting for vulture and I'm,

I say to her, you know, you're the most iconic crier in cinema history because you famously slayed in Charlie's Angels Full Throttle when you said I was never good I was great and shot the thing and a single tear

and I also said in Ghost you beautifully iconically cried just from the center of your eye no face crack just one gorgeous tear ditto and then ditto and then no that wasn't that

but yes it was that no it wasn't it was fucking it was Patrick saying I love you no it wasn't it was not ditto

you're thinking of the end which is a different part where she cries and she cries in the end not with the single tear down the center she does cry a lot don't do that

oh my god anyway stupid bitch so basically I tell her this That woman took off Her sunglasses No no no

Her tinted prescription glasses And she cried right there No You can see a video of it She is Oh my god I need to see it Under fucking rated

She was so Underrated Underrated She came to the set And was like I'll do whatever I'll do whatever We're like okay

You're gonna be eating Zoe out She's like great I love it She goes to this Can you dig like, I'll do whatever. I'll do whatever. We're like, okay, you're going to be eating Zoe out. She's like, great, I love it. She goes to this, can you dig a little trench so I can get low? She had the PA dig a freaking trench so she could get down in there. She is the best. Ty came in fully, was like, okay, I'm this cheesedick guy. Come in with a full-on spray tan, dark. It was windy as hell.

I was stressed out. Was it on location in Miami? No, it was in the Hamptons. We shot the whole movie in New York. You know, when you want Miami, you shoot in New York. And you put up 150 crew members in the Hamptons. It was an issue. It was an issue.

There was a lot of drama in terms of production. But anyways, we're going to skip it. We're going to skip it. We're going to skip it. We're going to skip it. Skip the drama. Skip the drama. Shot that in the Hamptons. It's windy.

It's cold. It's not really summer anymore. And they came and they didn't complain at all. And he had to get on a plane. Truly, it was an overnight. Yes. Got right on a plane from Modern Family. Wow.

He got on a plane at like 5 a.m., flew right back. I mean, these two, everybody, never complained. And talk about criers. I tell you what, Scarlett was like, how long we had a scene where she had to read a letter and cry. She was like, when, because there was no one else there. It was just, you know, she was just reading. She was like, how long do you need? And we were like,

30 seconds to a minute. Just, you know. She was like, okay. Truly read it. I think we're more specific. I think we're like 47 seconds. Read it, read it, read it. Looked up, cried with her two camera eye, wiped it. And we were like, that's it. That's it. One take.

We had one take. She could do it in two camera. I needed more takes, but we didn't have time. And so she made sure we got in one take. That's a pro. What a pro. I mean, also, oh my God. Love her.

I love Carla Johansson. I have for years. I have since Ghost World. Yeah. Ghost World. So. Ghost World. So good. So good. I mean, also,

she had that one year where it was Lost in Translation and Girl with a Pearl Earring. And I remember this was like when I was first starting to really kind of like try to watch like, you know, adult movies.

And I was like, I'm going to see both of those. Didn't get either one of them. Lost in Translation, all the themes went right over my head. And I almost watched it on a plane, actually, the other day.

Because I was like, maybe that's a good one to revisit. I picked Sex and the City, the movie. It was just the mood I was in. Oh, that's fine. The plane dictates. The plane will dictate. The plane will dictate.

Just do what you want. I often am like, I should be watching this because I haven't and I should now. But I'm like, I'm in this mood. When you're on the plane, the plane dictates.

Exactly. That's actually a rule of culture. When you're on the plane, the plane dictates it. That's actually a rule of culture. When you're on the plane, we're deep in. Jumped up. When you're on a plane, the plane dictates it. And honestly, the plane dictated the other day that I watched the Whitney documentary.

Oh, haven't seen it. Devastating. The Sex and the City of the Movie, because I had to lighten it up after that. Of course. And then Tully. It's a long flight. This was going to pass. She was long. Yeah, Tully's good. Edit down that pause.

You know what just happened? When you said Tully, I thought the one where Tom Hanks lands a plane in the water. Sully. Which I did not see. I was like, I didn't see it, but Tully I did like. I think that Charlize is great.

Charlize is my favorite. She is so great. Do you like Young Adult? I love Young Adult. Young Adult is so good. Can I tell you, first 20 minutes, Young Adult,

basically the cold open until the sequence when she puts in the tape into the car and starts driving I was so gagged to use a little

to put a little mat on there I was so gagged by that first 20 minutes that I had to stop the movie and pace around my house by myself

oh I love that cause I was like this is so brilliant the moment it's so well observed printing out that picture of the baby and the printer not working I was like, this is so brilliant. It's so well observed. Printing out that picture of the baby.

And the printer not working. I was like, this is me. I mean, that movie, towards the end, the end loses me just a little. Sorry, Jason Reitman, love you. But I just felt that that movie, that was a nice little chunk of culture for me. I agree.

The end loses me a little bit too. I wish she doesn't sleep with Patton Oswalt. I felt like, but then again, it's like. I don't mind that. You know what? It's like, it's kind of like the way I felt

about the end of Girls, where it was like, wow, Marnie isn't gonna grow at all. It's like, no, some people, they just don't grow. Right, right, right. And I thought that was a true,

that felt right to me. It wasn't actually the sleeping with Patton's sister that was the problem for me it was the next morning being a bitch to his sister yeah yeah that I was like I was like

you've learned a little you could yeah there should have been some arc maybe but the takeaways that maybe there or just be nicer

about like don't go to the city you know I don't know I just want the teeniest redemption you know the fun moment

we're gagging for redemption we're gagging for redemption I love that I love that but wait

but also that movie and Tully 2 made me want to go back and re-examine Diablo Cody like in all her work because I remember

when Juno came out I think Juno was presented to me. As a movie that you should hate? No, as a movie that I was supposed to. Because I think that's bullshit, because I love, I fucking love Juno. No, I think I would love Juno now,

but at the time they were like, this movie is produced by Judd Apatow, and I was really looking for this to be like an, like a 40-year-old virgin type LOL movie, and wasn't ready for like the drama. I remember I went with all my like guy like friends in high school um kenny kevin carl and nick the three of them wow and we all went together and i remember just like sitting there and feeling self-conscious because i had

been like riding hard to see this movie right and they were like why are we seeing this girl you know what i mean like right i don get, what's the hamburger phone thing? I don't understand. And I was like, oh no, this is maybe for me later, but then I really hated it, and I need to go back and see it now. But the women in that film, like fucking Ellen, Jennifer Garner,

and even Allison Janney, so freaking good. Jennifer makes that whole movie. Jennifer Garner and even Allison Janney Allison Janney so freaking good Jennifer makes that whole movie Jennifer Garner is great her levels of empathy in that movie and jealousy and just all of it is so well

it might be her best work except for 13 Going on 30 wow thank you thank you I like her most when she's playing a child I like that

I like that I think that's like a good sweet spot that scene at the end of 13 Going on 30 where she's like you're my best friend. Yeah.

That is so good. And we need a rom-com. Another rom-com. We need a rom-com. I think we do. Why don't you guys write in direct? Okay, rom-com? Yes.

Great. You know what? What's the rom-com you want to see? What's the rom-com you would write? We actually do have a rom-com on the deep background. The deep, deep. Like, as in, we've had one conversation about it. Which one?

The one with Carrie. Oh, yes. Okay. So it's essentially a version of... Because we're working on a show that's a rom-com show. Yes, we have a rom-com show. International rom-com show we're working on right now. Yes, we love.

Oh, great. Yes. Four couples around the world, anyway. Oh. All loosely connected. Oh, okay. That's a, yeah. Four couples around the world, anyway. Oh. All loosely connected. Oh, okay. That's, yeah. That's all we can give you.

No, that's truly all I want to know. And I love a dangle. I love a dangler. Okay. My best friend's wedding. Huh? It's like my best friend's wedding. Yes.

Which is my favorite. But it's a girl and her best friend, and she's gay, and it's her ex-girlfriend, essentially, and her ex-girlfriend is marrying a guy. And she's like, I'm pretty sure we should be together. Right. And so there's like a moment where like it seems like maybe it's going to happen.

And the movie is exploring maybe the like couple months before the wedding. Like, was that really a relationship? Was it not? Was it just one way? Was I, am I like gaslighting myself? Yep. And trying to be like, is this about and trying to be like is this about orientation or about

what is this about yes this is so good and rich is that a good pitch on that did I pitch it okay loved it loved it

it's about heteronormativity and also unrequited situations that everyone can relate to them and I think and also like through what we're saying before specific POV

and lens we need we need. We need. We need. We do need. I'm doing this. Tell them what I'm doing. Wait, what are you doing?

Hang loose. Hang loose. This is my favorite thing to do now. Is it? I like doing hang loose. Fucking hang loose. We do hang loose. Fucking, I gag.

We did our LA Lyric Hyperion show last night, and Matt and I told each other we were going to come out and pump our fists, but with the hang loose. Oh, I was kidding live show Genevieve was there yeah Genevieve Genevieve was there

she's raving I am for Genevieve oh my gosh can we shout out Genevieve the real Genevieve though if you're not following on Instagram

you're not following the funniest Instagram Joe and Booster and I had a conversation where we both agreed best social media presence actually yes unrivaled

unrivaled wow she is very talented she's so talented so fucking funny that character where she's ordering food where we both agreed best social media presence. Actually, yes. Unrivaled. Unrivaled. Wow. She is very talented. She's so talented. She's so fucking funny. That character where she's ordering food. Yes.

Oh, no, no. Thank you. Thank you. But then, Alamodraft House. You've seen Alamodraft House. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, my gosh.

It's a veritable gold mine. That's a girl who watched Summer Heights High at 14 or something. Yeah, I remember giving her a thumb drive of Summer Heights High when she was truly in middle school and being like, bitch, get ready. Before it got to HBO, probably.

Yes, way before. My friend was living in England and they had it and she brought it on a flash drive. God, wow. Yes, a lot of English, Tom. That's a good gift. That is a good gift.

Isn't that so crazy? Genevieve can actually say that Summer Heights High is culture for her? Yes. How old is she? She just turned 28. 28. 22.

No. This is the place you put it in writing. I was. Because I remember, I think I remember, I watched Summer Heights High like around freshman year of high school. Yeah. I was in this room with her and then I was like, God, Genevieve is like the coolest fucking chick. She is. And she's probably like, and this is, I mean this as a full like compliment she's like a fully formed like person

like woman who's like like just nearing 30 and then I found out that she's like a full year younger than me and I was like fuck but no we love her

oh wait a minute hold on we just have to quickly shout out Lucia's first on screen turn on broad set oh

oh my god really hysterical so good that was so good I have my pedophiles here okay so you can come and I just her known broads. Oh, oh my God. Just really, really hysterical. That was so good. I have my pedophiles here. Okay, so you can come

and I just, I repeat, and they are happy to see you. They're very excited to, they're excited to meet you. Like, as if that was like,

you made so many good, subtle, you made such good choices and I'm, I have my pedophiles here. So funny. Not scripted. Not scripted? Well, pedophile, here not scripted not scripted

well pedophile no it wasn't in the script it was it was worked on on the set let's say that it's worked on on the set

but then you guys got a real pedicab the pedicab was it was there oh but then you guys the app pedophile is perfect my pedophile's here

my pedophile's here to people who love pedicab so good thank you it was it was really fun and I loved doing it what was the condition?

Just the last thing. Malodorous dentata? Pundenda. Malodorous pudenda. Pundenda. Smelly Pussy Donna is the character's name, if you guys aren't caught up yet. Yes, yes. A friend of Abby's from college.

Catch up. Smelly Pussy Donna, catch up, guys. Catch up. She went to Micah. She went to Micah. Yes, Micah. She did. She did.

Okay, great. I think it's time. It's time for I Don't Think So. Oh, my gosh. I don't think so oh my gosh I don't know if I can you have to I might not wait you did

you did one of the best troll bowls of all time get out of here you did Paul yes you did get out of here and also this is my

favorite thing about what happened immediately before that so you guys were in I think the first or second group and Joel Kim Booster famously always has

poppers on him at all times this moment was absolutely iconic I was scared actually I heard it this is what I'm saying

because I look back Joel puts the poppers under my nose which if you're ever around Joel Kim Booster you have to cover your nose because he will put poppers in your nostrils

and he loves to make your butthole that is dialing that is not okay he's got the dense industrial stuff. He truly has them on him at all times. And he goes, all right, before we go, we're going to do poppers.

And I was like, okay, I'm down. So we did them. And I look back and Paul, you were just in a state of shock. And then Sabrina Jalise comes up and I think took the largest hit of poppers I've ever seen. Two. And then did her I don't think so honey and like I could see her eyes were just black

she was like I thought she was gonna fall off the stage honestly I was like oh no Sabrina is the next level Sabrina is amazing

absolutely love her and then what immediately followed that was oh my god the troll bull that you picked out was Mariah Carey thank you

and there was not a moment's hesitation. Do you have a left ear? Well, does she? Does she? I don't know. Does she? I don't know.

Does she have left ear? Oh my gosh. And you know when you do troll bowl, then you leave and you're like, here's four more. Here's four more things I could have said about Mariah Carey. You know what I mean? It's like-

What I do now is I don't prepare any of them at all. So just what comes out, comes out. That's good. And then I can't get upset. Oh, that's good. We also have to do hundreds all the time. What I do now is I don't prepare any of them at all. So just what comes out comes out. That's good. And then I can't get upset. Oh, that's good. We also have to do hundreds. I know. I know.

Like we were literally today, we're like, oh my God, which ones are we going to do? And I think I have good ones. But that's great. Great. Now, whatever you'll see. Do you want, okay, you have one prepared. Well, why? We don't do Trouble on the pod.

You know, who did we just do Trouble with? We just did Trouble with, oh, Tawny Newsome. Tawny Newsome pulled from the Trouble. Oh, wow. Because she famously doesn't prepare. Star of Woman Up. Yes, Star of Woman Up. Oh, wow.

Okay, but yes, you have the option if- But I want to hear what's up there. Okay, but Matt, you want to go first? I do want to go first. Okay. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey that I'm obsessed with the trailer

for Us, but I'm not going to see Us because I'm too fucking afraid. I don't think so, honey, the movie Us. You are far too scary if every literal thing I'm reading is true. I do not like scary movies. It physically hurts me to watch them. However, I don't think so,

honey, that in order to be part of the cultural conversation, I will have had to see Us. Today, we were in the back of a lift, and I don't think so, honey, that in order to be part of the cultural conversation, I will have had to see Us. Today, we were in the back of a Lyft, and I don't think so, honey, the commercial for Us, when Lupita Nyong'o talks in this voice, I was like, that is the most scary thing I've ever heard in my life. I am absolutely not seeing

it. I don't think so, honey, that I've watched the Us trailer approximately 400,000 times. I am obsessed with it. I do think so, honey, what they do with that song. I got five with it. I do think so, honey, what they do with that song. I got five on them. Whatever they do with the orchestra. Fuck that.

I want to see that. Will I see that? I don't think so, honey. I am far too afraid. Jordan Peele, I don't think so, honey, that you are so good at what you do.

Five seconds. Because even in terms of trailer construction, give that trailer an Oscar. It terrifies me, intrigues me, and I'm fucking pissed. And that's one minute. Woo! Wow. Yes, yes an Oscar. It terrifies me, intrigues me, and I'm fucking pissed. And that's one minute.

Wow. Listen, do you guys do scary movies? I don't. I mean, I did Get Out, but I don't really. We'll see if it's like beyond. We'll see Get Out. We'll see Hereditary, but generally hate them. Actually, we did see Hereditary. Did you all go together?

Chris said that you guys, or they took Darcy and I did Anni and I. Darcy doesn't see scary movies. We did not like it. We did like it and I don't usually like those movies. I didn't find that one to be scary for some reason. It was just the alligator. The end was just too bizarre to be scary to me.

It wasn't psychologically disturbing. I heard it was gory and like Hoppa is nodding his ass off. Hoppa is like, oh yeah. I can't do gory. like like Hoppa is nodding his ass off. Hoppa is oh yeah I can't do gory he just made a motion

to his intestines being out it's a no. yeah yeah yeah but if you could I feel like if people I feel like Hereditary is probably the scariest and most shocking movie

I've ever seen. Oh that movie is very scary. Just for the one the one moment alone. Like 40 minutes in? Yes. Yes.

And I'm just like that wrecked me. That fucking yeah I'm a changed person. I still think about it all the time Yes. Oof. And I'm just like- That wrecked me. That fucking- I still think about it all the time. I do too. And I'm like, I can't believe- Do you have siblings?

I do. No, see, that's- I just thought about my mom and I was like, oh my God. I know, I know, I know. See, it's- Oof.

It's true. Do you know how hurtful it is for me as a gay man to know that Toni Collette is giving a tour de force and I can't see it? That must be- Do you know what that does to me for me as a gay man to know that Toni Collette is giving a tour to Forrest and I can't see it? Do you know what that does to me? I cannot imagine.

You're missing out on some quality. That's my trauma. You're missing out on some quality and dad stuff too. Oh, yes, that's right. You really know how to stick it in and break it off. This is not fair. Stick it in and break it off. Stick it in and break it off.

All right, but I'm just saying like it took me literally nine months to see Get Out because then when the Oscars rolled around I'm like I was like

I had my SAG screeners and I was like I gotta see it because also like I want to be able to talk about it and then I fucking loved it but I did that thing where it's like

I would like scroll ahead and scroll back and scroll ahead and scroll back I'm a psycho I can't she wikis things while we're watching. And I'm talking about

a lot of times television. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll be like, I can't, I can't. I got to wiki it. And I'm like, how can you do this? Literally. You know the ending

of Finding Neverland. You don't need to wiki it. In the lift today, I googled us spoilers. I googled us movie spoilers. Leaving Neverland. We know the end of Leaving Neverland.

We do, we do. Now is the time for Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey and his time starts now I don't think so honey pre-exposure prophylactic prep baby

I don't think so honey that it's killing my sex drive oh and also I don't think so wait what is this a prophylactic for me getting fucked

because I'm not getting it in honey and look why this is this is like the dumb irony of all this

is that you're gonna fucking out me did you prep shame me earlier I can't tell if that was prep shame no I tried to

encourage your sexual activity well anyway it's not happening in any case that's not my fault well it's your fucking fault

I hate that I have to now take this blue pill every day and feel feel very confused about like well I guess I should take this blue pill every day and feel very confused about, like, well, I guess I should put this to good use, but oh, wait, I have no access to putting this to good use.

15 seconds. It's very sexually confusing. I'm sure I have prep queens out there who feel the same way. Prep queens. Please DM me only to talk about this, only to commiserate in our prep queen-ness. Nothing else.

Five seconds. I don't want to have sex with you because, as I said before, prep is killing my sex drive and I'm only taking it just to have the peace of mind. And that's one minute. Wow. I don't know. Here's the deal.

What? We have to get you laid tonight. No, no, no. We're going to a warehouse party. I have to see my parents in 12 hours. You know how long it takes to have sex? Yeah, no. You can't have sex within 20 to 36 hours. No. You can't see your parents. Exactly. You can't. You know how long it takes to have sex? Yeah, no, you can't have sex within 20 to 36 hours.

No. Exactly. You can't. You can't do that. That's my rule. I don't know. I'm going to wingman you hard tonight. You don't have to do that.

Yeah. You're going to be. I encourage you to look out for yourself. What am I going to be? What do you mean? You said you're going to be. I said you're going to be like on your own little prowl and it doesn't have to do anything to do with it.

Honey, when I go to the club, it's not about the prowl. It's about dancing. It's about the lights. It's about the environment. It's about the music. Okay. No, it's not.

Anyway. Okay, so who's going first? I feel like. I'll do it. Lucia I'm gonna do a little half reading okay she's got a

she's got a reading I got a thing she's got a reading she's got a reading this is Lucia and I don't think so honey her time starts now I don't think so honey

gender reveal party oh yes you wanna have a baby shower go fucking off we're happy for you that's fine you want gifts for your baby

hell yes bitch put that Mima Zari stroller on your registry shower, go fucking off. We're happy for you. That's fine. You want gifts for your baby? Hell yes, bitch. Put that Mimazari stroller on your registry. I'll buy you that shit. I'm rich. Gathering your friends and family to reveal the gender of your child is fucking archaic. This obsession

with binary is stupid ass. You're not revealing gender. You're revealing anatomy and if you don't know the difference, you shouldn't be bringing a child into this world, honey. Okay, and you're going to release a hundred pink balloons into the sky. Think about the turtles.

They have to choke on your hot pink glitter because you needed to reinforce heteronormative stereotypes. I don't think I'm getting you that Mimazari stroller anymore because I don't think so, honey. Oh! And that's one minute. And we have one minute.

There we go. Honestly, I have said before, I don't think so, honey, balloons for this very reason. It's environmentally... Bad. Threatening. And the ones that say

that they're environmentally friendly are lying. Absolute liars. It's not true. Oh my God, that's the new scam. That's big rubber. That's big rubber. And also, I don't think so, honey,

gender reveal parties, I totally agree, because guess what? Not always 100% correct either. Oh, I'm sure. And also, then you look like a freak and a fool when you've painted your whole house blue. Also, who said that blue was the boy color? Well, actually, do you know that blue

used to be the girl's color because it was the Virgin Mary. Okay. It used to be the Virgin Mary was like blue. Oh, okay. And that was girls. But honestly, I think it had something to do with Hitler being like pink is for girls. I don't know exactly. Is that true?

That is a hilarious misnomer potentially to spread. Hitler made pink for girls. I think that might be true. But anyways, I also am like, it's such bullshit. Because you always see like dads being like, yay, when it's girls color. And it's like reinforcing it for all the children that are there that guys are like wanting boys. Exactly. It's just all so gross.

It's like so, it's so gross. I hate it. And like TBH, I don't want to hear that you'd rather have one or the other no because that will like once you put that out there like everyone hears it and if you have the other one it's like yeah everyone it's a secret yeah yeah it's like i wanted a girl but it's okay i'm like yeah it's just yeah that's no like what and it feels like honestly it's being pushed by moms i'm sorry to like mom shame in this way but i'm like, it's a party to like, be like,

here's the, I don't know. I'm getting, now I am becoming like, well, not if you like, don't carry it, whatever.

I'm just like, it just feels like it's like a party to be like, I can use my body to have a child, which is a beautiful, great thing, but like to be like, and the result of it is the thing that's important. The gender of it is what's important.

I'm like, just have a baby party. It's like a new life. It's a new life party. Also, you know, the thing that's important. The gender of it is what's important. I'm like, just have a baby party. It's like a new life. It's a new life party. Also, you know, not necessarily it's gender. It's not. That's exactly right. It's the anatomy, not the gender.

Gender is drag. Then you'll get real cool. Gender is drag. All gender is drag. All gender is drag. Thank you. That was a rich one. That was a rich one.

Socratic even. I feel it. Okay. I think it's time for Paul Downs Do you have a left ear? Am I gonna do it? Yeah Oh my god

Okay so it's been discussed Okay Because I was Well yeah okay It just happened It just happened It just happened truly 30 seconds

before I walked in Oh my god I can't wait This is called W Downs It's I Don't Think So Honey It's time starts now I don't think so honey

I don't think so honey Don. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Don't make me come on a podcast and write a minute of brand new material when all I want to do is shoot the shit, honey. I am too busy writing film and television and theater.

No, he's rich. Yes, theater. Yes, theater. Yes, honey. I wrote two I don't think so, honeys and then I was told they'd been done before, honey. We are an institution. It's stressful, honey.

This is the best podcast in America. No! Yes, and you are the best host, charming and funny. You are enough. No! We don't need this. We don't need a gimmick, honey. If I want to do homework, I'd go back to school, honey.

But I'm not going to go back to school, honey. Oh my god, I don't have the time. No, 15 seconds. Okay, don't you worry. Oh god! I'm not going to go back to school, honey. And it was going to be that I don't have a full minute because I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. And that's 55 seconds.

It was more than I thought it was going to be. That was incredible. I love being tracked. It made me sweat. You know I That was incredible. I love being tracked. It made me sweat. Because you know I love you guys and I love the pod. Oh my God. But I did write two

and then Genevieve was like, I think that one's been done. Well, we didn't tell you that it had been done. What were the two that you had? Dog People. Dog People. Sooty Green.

Well, the other one hadn't been done, but I was doing it as a secondary, which was Restaurants with Bad Bread. I'm like, oh. But Restaurants with Bad Bread, I don't, Oh! But Restaurants with Bad Bread, I don't think so, honey. But then I just truly said that. I was like, I don't think so, honey.

I might do it. But you know I love you, right? Everything's cool. Listen, just, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Okay. I emailed these two after the show and I was like, I genuinely was very excited.

I don't think I've ever been so excited to have people on. That is so nice. Yeah, I was like, the live show, I can't believe you guys came out and did it. We were honored, no joke, honored. Yeah. Lord and word. Love, Joel, we did miss you.

I was FOMOing the most. You were really missed that night. I was FOMOing the most. It was so fun. That was a fun one was FOMOing the most It was so fun That was a fun one Yeah That was great It was really fun

And also I felt bad Because it was raining so much And I made everyone come downtown Yeah But like It's fine It was so fun

Honestly I feel like it's a great way Also to see so many people You haven't seen in so long Yeah It is like a bizarre region And the crowd is lit You have a great house.

I mean, the people were into it. They were going nuts. It was really fun. Also, the thing is about I Don't Think So Honey is like, truly, I Don't Think So Honey is nothing. We thought no one would ever listen to this podcast when we started it. We were like, it's like an hour and a half of time we scheduled each work.

It's like, have a play date. Then they were like, well, you should have a segment. And I was like, okay. And so we came up with I Don't Think So Honey because it's something we said to each other all the time when we were stupid fighting. And Matt was like, it'll be a minute of us just ranting, whatever.

It's a minute rant. That was revolutionary. It was like a meta commentary on segments and podcasts. We'll do something happy as shit and rant for a minute fine

yeah and then I think it's an outlet people want to do they're like I need to come on to do this I want to I want to have a platform

I want to rant I want to do it yes but I wanted to impress you guys you know what I mean so I really was working I was really you know it's impossible for you guys

to anyway not live up to you guys are up to the sky high expectations. And also, to be honest with you, this is just the way I feel about Chris and Sarah, too. Just to be doing comedy and then the people that are doing comedy on a high level in an aspirational way that I like are also nice and cool and we give you the time of day. Oh, my God. I love you guys. We love you guys.

We have mutual love and respect. This makes my heart sing. And really quickly, I mean, I will remember this day for the rest of my life. Well, one, the Broad City origin. And then, truly, shooting the Aquafina pilot. I think we can talk about this now. I can't wait.

Let's do it. But like, just really quickly, that day, once I wrapped, I walked away to go meet my friend Emily for dinner and I like cried the entire time just out of pure joy of just like, have I talked to you about this?

I don't think so. Where it was just like, I walked onto that set, it was like, we shot in Chinatown, it was all Asian background, all the names on the call sheet were Asian. We sit down, we're eating food.

And then like BD like starts talking to me about like, oh, well like, you know, is this your first scene where you're eating, that you're eating something? And I'm like, yeah, I think so. And he was like, well, here's the thing. Don't eat too much. Cause then you're going to just keep eating this shit

in between takes. You're going to be so full. And then Nora was like, oh yeah, don't do that. Like that's like pro tip. Like don't do that. It was like pro tip like don't do that it was just this moment and then over the course of

the entire shoot like it was like there was a plate with wood ears which is this like Chinese fungus that like is just a staple

in cooking in Asian cooking and then we all talked about that and no one had to explain what it was and then that was like the general sense of it

was that like no one had to explain anything to each other and like I was like the general sense of it was that like no one had to explain anything to each other and like i was like i've never experienced this like walking onto the set and like not having to like feel like i had to like keep up some layer of respectability just because it's like well i gotta like i gotta i gotta have my shit together and it's not even about that but it was just about like the comfort of just not having any of those walls up and then working with you

and it was just so beautiful. I'm an objective observer. You are so funny in it. So good. You are so good in the pilot. So good. Thanks so much. The other room is obsessed

with being like, how much can we have? I know. Oh my God, Bowen. It's true. Stop. And I went in the other day and it was,

I got chills. Like the stories that they were talking went in the other day and it was, I got chills. Like the stories that they were talking, like the arcs and shit, not even stuff that has to do with me, with Edmund. I was just like, this is going to be so cool. Yeah. I think it will be. I think it's like we're really just, I mean, it's not my show. I'm, you know, helping and a part of it. But I think we really just want to help people tell the stories that haven't been told.

And it's like, we're trying to make this like a very, well, she's like, you know, three quarters, Chinese quarter Korean, like three quarter Chinese quarter Korean queen story about a family and

about people who, you know, are different levels of their, like where they are in terms of their Americanness. Yes. Oh, it's, it's got a lot. Yeah, it's just, I think,

I just, I hope that people feel seen by it because that's really, it really is, I think, the intention. And it's, I think she's so funny and the writers are so funny. And Carrie Dornan, who's the showrunner, is truly like one of the, an angel on earth. She's the funniest person. And so I think it's a really awesome group of people

that I think are making something really special. Me too. Are you directing several episodes? I am doing four total of this season. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing.

But yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, me too. That coming in January 2020, right? I think that's right. I think so. I don't know for sure. I think it's paired with the other two. It's paired with the other two.

Really? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. Oh my God. I don't know. Queen. We're putting it out there. I don't know. I have no idea. Oh my gosh. Queen. We're putting it out there.

That'll be fun. Anyway. But anyway. What a fun app. What a fun time. This is so fun. What a great time. Let's do a four hour.

Let's do a four hour. I can do four hours. Have us come back for part two. Please. Honestly. And then we can hear, I don't think so, Honey Bad Bread at restaurants.

I'll do it. Anytime. I'll do anything you want. How do you feel about the Outback Steakhouse bread? The brown bread? Oh, I'm not a big brown bread person. I don't like it.

Okay. Yeah, I'm not a big brown bread. I'm not against all brown bread. Don't get me wrong. Some brown bread is great. Brown bread in Ireland is incredible. Yeah. I'll do some Puffer Nickel.

It depends on the kind. He was talking about cinnamon raisin toast this morning. This morning, yeah. Cinnamon raisin toast this morning. This morning, yeah. Cinnamon raisin toast is good. It is good. I don't know why. I'll tell you why. Lucia smelled like it this morning.

Weirdly, I was like, you smell like cinnamon raisin toast, which I used to have at my grandmother's house, and I haven't had since I was a true child. But that was good. Yeah, Greta made it the other day in the morning. My friend I was staying with was like, do you want some cinnamon raisin toast? Really?

Yeah. Wow. So that's in the atmosphere, too friend I'm staying with was like, do you want some cinnamon raisin toast? Really? Yeah. Wow. So that's in the atmosphere too. That is. It is olfactory heaven. Olfactory heaven. Love it. Paul and Lucia.

Thank you guys. Thank you guys for being here. Thank you for having us. We end every episode with a song. Can you look me in the eye and tell me that you're happy? You gotta meet me. Oh, are you doing a Michelle Branch? Yes.

Tell me that you're happy now. Could you tattoo my face? I've been erased. Are you happy now? Ooh. Are you happy now? Mmm. Ooh.

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