Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Gas Me Up, Lil Bro!” (w/ Joanna “JoJo” Levesque)

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

It's been hinted at, it's been wished for, and now the episode of our dreams is here! The sisters are joined by Joanna “JoJo” Levesque - yes thee JoJo has made it to the studio to talk about her new memoir (Over The Influence - get it now!), her career's work, mental health, SSRI's, new music, and of course her turn as Satine in Broadway's Moulin Rouge! The Musical. Plus a potential rekindling for Matt and big bro?? We can't say more, it's time to listen! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.

Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Do you see what I chose to do with my hands? I was invited to raise my hands up like Evita in our new space. I mean, very appropriate. We have a Broadway legend among us today. Welcome. Welcome.

I went to the wrong one. We're all finding our footing here in what is essentially a new space that really says we're in New York. We're next to the Port Authority. Like, it doesn't get more New York than this. It's giving Oliver and Company. It's giving true New York. Yeah. When you say.

I would say it's giving true New York. I've been so happy to be here. In fact, I was telling Bowen off air, characters from the past, characters from the past of the podcast have sort of come back into play. And you better believe it took me two seconds to guess who it was, and I was correct.

Yep. Y'all, Big Bro is back. Last night I met up with Big Bro. You met up with him? I thought he just like rolled into the chat or something. Big Bro came by. Big Bro rolled through no and i gotta tell you there was a reason why he's a legendary man on this podcast that man

so basically for those of you who are joining lost coach later in life we went to we were in fire island a few years ago and then matt i was not there for it i got there a couple days late. Matt comes back home from a night out and tells the house of his escapade with someone named Big Bro and how they had something. They were doing stuff by the river. There's no river on Fire Island. It was one of those Fire Island

nights. I was taken by a man who referred to me as Lil Bro. And so by transit of property, he had to be referred to as Lil Bro. And so by transit of property, he had to be referred to as Big Bro. And that was the sort of, let's just say dynamic when I was taken down by the river, which was really the bay.

Which was the bay. And had pretty incredible sex. And I have to say years later in the year of our Lord 2024, better. Wow. Even better. You always, that's always what you want. Sometimes it's not a given that

it's an upward trajectory. Sometimes you dip and you... No. It's the worst when you have what we're going to call mythological sex with someone that becomes part of the canon in your life. You're like, wow, remember that? And then you revisit it later and it's flop. Yeah, that's happened.

It happens every day. It happens every day. It happens every day. It's actually Rula Culture number 19. It happens every day. It happens every day. Now, I have so many questions. How did the conversation sort of strike out? He texted. He said, are you in town?

I said, I sure am. Saw you at the open. Saw you high-fiving Yannick Sinner at the open. We actually went to the one. Yes. Let's transition to that out of this. Like sort of, we had a,

we had a great weekend. We had a great weekend. We went to see our guest in Mulan Ridge, the musical run, don't walk at the Al Hirschfeld. And you know, I got us the best seats in the house. And this actually is a real,

it's a real tip to everyone out there. If you ever can buy tickets to a Broadway musical and the first row of the mezzanine is available, grab those seats because I like to see the whole production. Of course. And this production is a production. Oh no, the mezzanine is giving, you have the titular Mulan on one side, on house

left, and then you have the elephant. The elephant. The titular elephant from the love medley on house right. Wow, I didn't realize so many titular things. It's a very titular show. And some tits. Flying around, thankfully. Some beautiful Broadway bodies. Let me tell you, if you want to see

what we refer to as stacked people dancing about. And I'm sorry to objectify our guests this way, but... Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Stunning. The sparkling diamond. Her body tea. Body tea, voice tea, acting tea acting tea oh my

god we were so we'll bring her into this later but we we fully insulted our guests in a way because we like went to her dressing room and we're like oh my god your acting was so good so grounded and then we left we're like no she's fully been in like storied storied actor aquamarine rv like are you kidding me what are you doing like oh my god your acting was incredible it's because well here's the thing when you are blessed to be one of the great singers of your generation yeah that's sort of going to be the thing that that's the headline the represent the representation first of all can we just take the representation and it matters but the reputation of our guest's singing voice let's just say it precedes her because, first of all, go back with me in time. Oh. I know this is mortifying her, but like, this

is just how it is. I remember exactly where and when. And this is what I'm going to say. I was in information processing class. I had an older friend, this girl that I you ever have a class with someone and they become your friend in just that class because you have nothing else together. Yeah. So I was in information processing learning how to type on

Home Row. We all know Home Row. Home Row was one of the great girls. SDFJ, whatever. Yeah. It's on the keyboard. So I'm learning how to type to get the maximum words per minute. And I'm next to my new friend, Jasmine. And she turns to me and she was like, do you know about Jojo?

And I was like, no, what's going on? She goes, this girl is the most unbelievable singer. She's 13. And I think we is the most unbelievable singer she's 13 and I think we were 13 well you were 13 I think I was 14 you're famously a little younger yes

seethes for 45 minutes fast forward finally we resume anyway I'm like let me find out that's when leave get out

entered the chat of course I was on the top level of our cafeteria at Smoky Hill High School. And I saw a picture

of her and then I listened to the song. Yep. And I was like, holy fucking shit. I knew growing up, I was like, there's gonna be a day when like, outside of like kids programming and like kids TV shows like there's gonna be someone our exact age

who's gonna pop the fuck off like I knew this innately as a kid and there she was you know what I mean like that was like the first person and it got better because then I got the album and I was obsessed with every track I we have to talk about breezy because it gets talked about in the book in a way that's so funny we must get into it I can't even

believe you're here baby it's you we were just saying one of the great songs so funny. We must get into it. I can't even believe we're here. Baby, it's you. We were just saying one of the great songs of all time. Forget about Too Little Too Late. I'll never forget what people think. People sort of like singing it on the cross-country bus. Forget about it. To go to meets and sort of straight guys being like, are you riffing?

Maybe I'm like, nah, nah. Nah, I'm not riffing. And then you're like, do you know how to say? It's just. Forget about disaster. The bridge of disaster. Oh my God. I'm not riffing. And then you were like, do you know? Is this? Forget about disaster. The bridge of disaster. Oh my God. And then everything since,

I mean, we've just been so like enraptured by and impressed by the memoir. This is over the influence by our guest. And if you are a music fan, especially if you are a millennial music fan, you have to have to read this because it's important. It fills in so many gaps. It's a great exploration of what the music industry can be like is like just really, really important stuff.

If you're a music lover, a music fan and wants to learn more about like the industry and this amazing artist. Just about how it's made about like what inspires musicians, the way it's collaborative. This is all so grounded in this beautiful realism. It's also so soulful and devastating, but inspiring and uplifting. It's everything. I have not had this feeling about a memoir. Say it. Well, hold on.

It was like, oh, this is like a friend reading, like talking to me and telling me about their life. But then not since meeting a Mariah Carey. I was going to say the same thing. This calls to reading a Mariah Carey. This references that very same feeling. And also in that way where it's like a very unrelatable story because like who has these experiences besides this individual,

but also incredibly relatable in terms of the anxieties, the fears, the self-doubts, the successes, the blaming of self that I think a lot of millennial people go through, especially when you're someone who holds yourself to a very high standard, as you should when you are talented, gifted, have a certain way with what you do when you're put on a certain pedestal. I mean, I just cannot say enough. And this is a great moment. Yes.

And she's currently the sparkling diamond in Moulin Rouge on Broadway. And you got to get the book. Everyone, please welcome into your ears. Joanne and JoJo LeVeille! Oh my God, I'm on Lost Coast. I cannot believe it! You fully are on Lost Coast. I cannot believe it. You fully are on Lost Coast and it's our honor.

It's our honor. You guys, I'm honored. Thank you so much. That was so cool to hear you talking about the book because it's one thing to write it and now people are going to start reading it and it's just like blowing my mind. So thank you so much for taking the time

and saying those nice things about it. Truly incredible. And like all the way up until the last page it was just so so beautiful and the way you even wrote about it like i'm on waikiki island in new zealand right now typing this setting it to my editor and i was just like there was just this like momentous like it was on the precipice of something i was like she's about to like share her story. And like, you're someone that we've talked about on the podcast since the beginning. Many times. Truly like.

Well, I said, I've been a fan of yours since I heard you sing a note. And you have that. You do have that with like people like in our generation, our age. It's like this nostalgia. And I wonder how that feels as someone who's still like so young.

It is weird and dope to hear you guys talk about like the first time you heard about me or heard my music. Cause I remember the first time I heard Britney Spears, I was like backstage at the Huntington theater playing mustard seed in a Midsummer Night's Dream. And I remember this cooler older girl was like brought in this big boom box or something and played baby one more time and i'm like that is fire what is that yeah who is that and it's just crazy that people have those like moments with my music yeah and i know it's it maybe is cliche to say that even 20 years into my career that like it's crazy but like i don't know how else to describe it it just is kind of weird yeah that we're all the same age and we were growing up at the same time.

And I don't know. And yet people can be like, I grew up listening to your music. It definitely makes me feel old. And we're not young. Yes, but we're not elders. But we're not elders. So I don't know. It's just, it's weird.

The fact is we're mid-30s. How long ago that was is wild. Isn't that crazy that that's what the fact is? That is the fact. Does mid-30s. How long ago that was is wild, yeah. Isn't that crazy that that's what the fact is? That is the fact. Does mid-30s start at 33 or 34? I don't identify as mid-30s yet. Okay. Okay, how do you identify?

33, you're like a month younger. December, baby. December, yeah. December 20th. December 20th, 1990. That's right. I'm okay with identifying as mid-30s. I'm okay with it.

I just don't yet. Wait. I'm okay with it, but I still, it's giving early 30s. It's giving early 30s. It's always mortifying to think like a couple years after you've turned a certain age and you said at the time like, oh God, I can't believe I'm this age. Like I remember being 25 and saying, it's just such a weird age to turn, you know? I feel like I'm in the middle of something. And someone like truly in their mid to late 30s was like, you need

to stop saying that. And I never had the time being like, why? It's how I feel now. But to all 25-year-olds who are saying that, you need to stop saying that. Shut up! Wherever you are. But the thing about you hearing this from people, though, like, I grew up on you, I grew up on you, like, you're just going to keep hearing that as we all get

older. Do you know what I mean? Like, this is just like, such a huge, important thread in your career and your story. It's like and that's what you build on. Absolutely. It's amazing to have that. I wouldn't trade it for anything. No, exactly.

I mean, we saw you the other night in Moulin Rouge. And by the way, your performance is so great. You are the best audience members of all time. We tend to be the best. It Moulin Rouge. And by the way, your performance is so great. And you're such a- You are the best audience members of all time, you guys. We tend to be the best audience members. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, not to surprise. No, no, I'm gonna give us that. Okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna give us that.

As you should. We're very engaged and we're very gay. So we are screaming. Yes. We heard, we felt, we loved it. We were clocking people, like there's a scene that takes place on the Champs-Élysées and everyone's in these fabulous Yes, this was a highlight. Isn't that a gorgeous

design? It's so beautiful that. Beyond, like, the story and the music and the performances, like, there is just so much to be said about, like, the production design of the show. Sumptuous. Yes, sumptuous. Thank you for that. Maximalist, sumptuous, all of it. It's so fucking

good. There was just a couple people. I think we told Jay this. Just people in the back, like, just. We can't even do this. There was just, my favorite thing. There were air kisses from a long distance air kiss. To you guys? Yes.

No, no, no, just to each other. No, to each other. So my favorite thing to do is, and you're a theater fan. And like you mentioned in the book, like one of the great things is that you can go back to this show and a lot of these maximalist productions, and you can just watch one ensemble member the whole time to watch their choices. And it's so fun. So we were dying.

We were screaming silently to ourselves, respectfully in the theater. But whenever like these insanely like well coiffed women in that scene would walk up to each other, they would truly touch hands like this and they would just go. And they would just, and that's how they greet each other and i was like that is everything like the opportunity to just be so

dumb so stupid just like i love it i miss it i miss it i want back in the ensemble i know come on it's so fun it's a good vibe the production it's a great vibe and also how hot is everybody in the show? The ensemble is unbelievable. The legs on the guys who lift me and stuff, if we could just for a moment. Let's for a moment. We got to talk about that one guy.

Yeah. I feel as though you're talking about Alec, who has big, beautiful legs. He's so fit. He looks like a, I don't know, like a Marvel character. Like a Marvel guy. It's like if Prince Eric was thick. That's what I'm going to say about Alec.

If there were biscuits with those thighs. Yeah. So yeah, when I'm getting lifted all those times per night, I am in good hands. Yes. I know they are in the gym just getting them reps in so they can lift my little self. It's great.

The glute bridges were not missed. No, not at all. So one thing I was concerned about was when you do descend as the sparkling diamond, which you do a couple times, because then you come back as the iconic Kylie Minogue green fairy later on. Yes, Kylie Minogue green fairy. Yes. And so I was like, now I hope she's okay with heights. Because when you book the show, it's like, yeah, of course I'm going to be Satine amazing. And then they say to you later, well, you're going to have to come down from a hundred feet.

Every show. Yeah. It was so scary the first few times, but I actually saw this show like two years ago when it was the touring production of it. So it was at the Pantages in LA. I saw it and I was like, oh my God, it's so romantic and sumptuous and just decadent.

And it feels like you're inside a beating heart. I was so into it. And I saw Satine come down from the ceiling and I was just like, oh, first of all, I'm like, I'll never have a budget like this for my own music. I was like, so I was like, imagine like getting to, you know, be in productions like this. I was like, I would just, that'd be such a dream that I just kind of put it out into the universe and then the universe conspired and here I am playing Satine. And it was scary the first time coming down from the ceiling.

I definitely took, are you familiar with propranolol? Oh, sure. I'm not. Well, she'll calm you down. Okay. Yeah. So it's for like heart palpitations. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I get debilitatingly nervous. So I used to like do do it just a cheeky just a touch of a xanax yeah yeah and tasteful just a tasteful mindful amount of a mindful portion so i don't like but then i was like oh no but what if i want to cry it's not gonna let me you know what i mean right so propranolol for the first few shows kept me right love got me in check but now i don't need it anymore. Oh my God. Now I'm like, put me up there.

Throw me down. I don't even need a harness. Well, you wrote this in the book. Like, I think it was your first show with Satine coming down. You were like, not even the wings, like the ceiling about to come down. And you were like, what would Satine, how would Satine feel in this moment? She'd be like, I've done this hundreds of times. I love this.

People are coming for me. I need to be in that mindset. Literally, people, like... I don't even need to try. Like, I would say, spoiler alert, it's, like, a good, like, 20-ish minutes into the show before we even see you. And, like, I don't know, like, the people that we were with, we were just like, oh, my God, we're here for JoJo.

Like, when she's coming out, like, Aaron Tveit, everybody, David Harris, we love the whole cast. The whole crew. But we're just like, they really are like- Teasing it. Teasing it in such a cool way. Like, JoJo's about to pop out. And then you popped down.

You came down. Pop out and show up. And show up. They do the same thing with Nicole in the movie, though. Were you a fan of the movie? Big, massive fan. One of my favorite movies. Baz Luhrmann, I love you.

And you know it. He came backstage and he like showed love. And I'm like, oh my god, you like me? That's so cool. He's a character. Such a character. I would love to party with him. I bet that option is available to you. Hopefully one of these days.

He just seems like such a character. So interesting. I remember the first time I ever watched that movie. I watched it with my mom. We rented it on demand. And the first half hour is so batshit. The thing is like boom boom boom boom but you come to appreciate its level of batshitness oh yeah like when you adjust to it because what happens is you adjust to it and your senses are so overloaded and then it falls into just being them and their chemistry together just explodes and just there's something

about her sheer star power and magnitude and that hair color and the way that she is so committed to it. And then the emotional place that it goes. I remember what happened was we watched a half hour of it. My mother was like, I have to tell you, I don't

even know what's happening. She, I guess turned it off left for 10 minutes and she had probably gone to bed and I was like let me go join this again

in process so it came back and they're in the suite and it's just the two of them by the end I was sobbing a mess

had never been so emotionally connected in my life and it all paid off and the Ewan McGregor oh yeah oh come on

who really pulls at my heartstrings. Yeah. That like shouty singing he does. I know, I love his singing. That's so earnest and beautiful. Yeah. Earnest. Earnest, earnest.

Yeah. The way that Baz, like his cuts and all that stuff, it's very frenetic, I think. And I love that about Elvis. I love that about the great Gatsby. I love that style is just so, so wild. And yeah, the songs, you hadn't seen it before the show? Well, I had tickets to see the original Broadway cast and then COVID. And then COVID happened. Did you think that the songs would be different? Because the songs are

different from the movie. Yes. Well, I knew that the songs would be different, but I did not. I think the show does a really good job of not telling people, like it's not in the playbill. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think that's a very good job of not telling people, like it's not in the playbill. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think that's a very good intention. Cause it's like, we should be surprised as an audience about what songs are being sung.

It's always so funny. Like when the audience is like, Oh, I see what you're doing there. Like when Aaron turns his head and it's like, when I say shut up and dance with me or whatever, he looks and winks and they're like, Oh,

the audience was like, Oh, you're going to go to that song now. It's so fun. I love that. So there's the number in the movie, which is Nicole sings, one day I'll fly away.

And that's fully replaced by Katy Perry firework. Is that what it's replaced by? I think so. There's a scene where like, you know, she is preparing, I guess to meet whoever the Duke is, and she sings about her desire to, you know,

transcend that place and do more. And I guess it's not exactly an emotional one-to-one, but it is like in that same place. And Firework really, it takes you there. It does take you there. Her Duke was creepy, by the way, like really, really creepy. Right, he was.

And like in our show, he's very sexy. Very sexy. We were interested in him. Yes, he is interesting. He's interesting. He was. And like in our show, he's very sexy. Very sexy. We were interested in him. Yes, he is interesting. He's interesting. He is interesting. Referring to someone hot is interesting. That's one of my favorite ways. Really not always the case.

Big bro, maybe I need to ask you off camera. Come on, ask whatever you want. No, no, no, off camera. Big bro's mythology on this show. We really don't say much off camera here. Okay, great. I really enjoyed the way that you talked about this mythical sex with someone. Because there are people. Oh, I read the book.

I mean, I have a little sexcapades. But into the canon of somebody's. I'm like, yo. Because there are people who I have mythicized. Yeah, of course. That is great. I'm just going to start thinking about and speaking about things. Sometimes though, that is dangerous to do because certain situations can't really be replicated. Like I remember that moment was such a, it was kind of

watershed for me that moment, to be honest with you, because I was thinking back around that trip to Fire Island and like, we've been back several times and that was really like the last, that was the one time I really felt like very, like, I'll just say like very sexually free. And like, I let, cause when you go to on a,

like a gay vacation like that or to any destination, you know, it's like whatever, like you're supposed to be like debaucherous. Let's say like, it's like a Vegas thing or whatever the fuck. It's like, you can kind of choose your own adventure.

And that trip, I remember we were saying we were in our Charizard era. Yeah. That was, this is breathing fire. Charizard? Charizard. We were in our Charizard era. Yeah, that was this is breathing fire. Charizard? Charizard. We were in our Charizard era.

She was a famous dragon Pokemon. You didn't want to go up against her. So we were in our Charizard era on that trip. And the way it was manifesting for me was just being very forward and available. And I will say in recent trips, I've missed that person. Oh, you can missed that person oh i've missed that person you can summon that person i know but don't you don't i know what you know what i'm talking about it's like it's like sometimes it's like the access to your your vitality is is sometimes

not always like i know because you texted me when you listened to the episode last week yeah and you said because she goes when you said i need access last week. Yeah. And you said because she goes when you said I need access to my penis to feel like Matt Rogers she goes well yes. Ha ha ha. Which is an SSRI journey. Yes. We're all SSRI girlies.

I'm no longer. You're no longer Chris. I'm no longer and that is cool for me but I'm a I loved it at the time. Yeah. But I'm glad to not be on it anymore, personally. Of course. But you said you were a situational girly. That's what my therapist said. Yeah. She was like, I think it's situational depression. But yeah, was Prozac for a long time.

And then I'm like, do I need to be on? Should I be on this forever? Or can I explore like natural things? Can I explore what happens when I work out consistently? Yeah. And I actually try to take you like prioritize those things yeah and it was it was very good for me what's your journey now are you are you vegan like no every day okay god I just had a chicken finger oh yes honey mustard honey mustard baby so good so I'm not vegan but I I love to like cook plant-based yeah I've been vegan before for a relationship, actually, I think is like really why I was vegan at the time. But then I was like, oh, I feel really good. And it's hot.

Like if you're vegan together and you're like eating watermelon and making each other food and like being naked and hot. It was just a moment. I know. And yeah. So, no, I just I call myself a flexitarian. Flexitarian. Would it be nice to have in someone you were with, if they could do the vegan thing with you again, just like a new person? I, I really enjoy the freedom of like, when I go overseas to eat the cuisine of where I'm at in Rome, if you will. So. So I don't really desire to be vegan right now. Great, great. Are you with someone now?

I'm sorry. This is like my roundabout way of being like, are you dating anybody? I am not dating anyone seriously, but I am outside. You're out there. I'm outside. And it's so weird.

I never thought that I would be on a dating app, but I'm on Ryan. Yeah, I read that. Have y'all seen me? Oh, okay. I haven't seen you actually. I don't see any app, but I'm on Ryan. Yeah, I read that. Have y'all seen me? Oh, okay. I haven't seen you actually. I don't see any women, but I see some women. If you go to the map. Yeah, if you go to the map. Don't use the map. So we'll run into Joanna 33.

Joanna 33, not mid-30s. Not yet mid-30s. Still early. Still early. Not identifying as mid-30s yet. It's a really good Maybe that's good i'm changing my really good right yeah and so when you're dating now is the intent because in the book you also talk about like the many intense relationships that you've had oh many and what are you calling me no many many lovers no but i would say that you know you know what i'm saying

yes and so you know the words love addict are even used. Right. Love addicted. Uh-huh. And I have to say, I identified with a lot of what you said. Yeah. And lately, I've also been on the journey of like, I'm going on dates and it's to spend time with another person. Yeah.

And is that where you're at now? And have you adjusted to that in a way where you can leave the day and not overthink? Woo. Yeah. I think that's the beauty of learning how to just go on dates. Yeah. Yeah. Like what you said.

And also like, not just because I've jumped into relationships where I've been like, this is good. I'm just going to go with this. And I've been a serial, you know, two years, three years, one thing after the next, never really free falling, always having my hand on the next monkey bar man, if you will. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the next thing and always having that security and comfort of the next person. So since I ended my engagement like almost two years ago now, I've been allowing myself to or practicing free falling and like being alone. ever met just in the wild of life and the circles that I run in and stuff, because it's mostly like singers and artists and performers and stuff like that. So I was saying like swiping no on anybody that was an artist. And just, I was like, I went out with a neurosurgeon. I think I said this in

the book and like a teacher and an executive. And, but the truth is, is that I just do like artists. It's very hard not to. It's one less thing to explain about yourself. Yeah. And I just like the way music affects me and how I love it and how I like to like, you know, I grew up like harmonizing with my parents and like singing with them in the car and stuff. And I think there's something very comforting about that. But I question, is the comfort a good thing? Or is it something that I should, if it's familiar, should I go try to, you know, look for something else? So a long-winded way of answering your question is, have I figured out how to not overthink it? I try to have a full

enough life to where I'm like sewing into my friendships, feeling good about my career, the work I'm doing, like being able to look myself in the mirror and be like, I'm proud of you. You're a nice person. You're doing a good job. So then I'm just like, I'm a catch. And, you know, I just want to see if I like this person. You know what I mean? That's what I'm trying to.

Well, we try to sometimes say, well, you were the first person that said this. And I literally adopted it immediately. But it was, if I'm spending time with you, it's a big deal. Seriously. Where did you get that? I think I just. You made it up. You might was, if I'm spending time with you, it's a big deal. The serious thing. Where did you get that? I think I just opened it up. But it really is a big deal. Yeah.

It is. Yeah. Isn't it? And like, especially now for you, where you are feeling this like, not ease, because it's never easy

to lead a Broadway show, but it's like, you are feeling this like, like that is a stable center and anchor of your life, but you're now able to like, you were telling us earlier, like have a night out like once a week. Yeah. You know, like that is protected time though.

Yes. You know what I mean? It's precious. So if I'm going to go out with somebody, a fucking stranger. I know. Of like, you know, loose. I don't know how these guys are. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, then it's like it needs to feel substantial or like there's it's there's something of something there yes so yeah and i've never really had that type of stability of like showing up to the same job ever so it that is cool to know that i'm going to the same theater i'm going to see the same people since i was young and i love the flexibility and and the change and all that. But I think there was something in my spirit that was like, it'd be cool to be planted for a few months.

Well, you were saying how the last time you did Moulin Rouge, there was a moment when you went back to LA and how you were kind of nervous about this stability or the structure kind of just kind of being put on pause for a little bit, right? Like, your life back in LA was just, like, catching up to you again and, like, hitting you in one, like, big

moment. And I wonder now, like, now that you're back and now that you're in the city, like, what is is there some intention now about, like, staying here a little longer? Whether or not it has to do with the show? Yeah. Because you do love it, right? I love it. I love it. Yeah. Because you do love it, right? I love it. I love it. Yeah.

And. And Connie's outside. I know. Yeah. My Aunt Connie and my cousin's girlfriend, Billy, were from south of Boston and they just like, they'll drive in. So I get to see my family more often. I was in L.A. for 14 years and I didn't realize how far I actually was. Like, obviously, it's 3000,000 miles away, whatever.

But, like, it just made me into a weirder person. Like, I am weird, but, like, it made me into a certain. I'm just good on LA right now. I think I've spent enough time. Yeah. Being back on the East Coast feels right in my spirit. I think I need it. I need to remind myself of, like, this gritty little bitch that I am.

Like, I like how weird things happen here. I like the chance meetings that you might run into somebody on the street. And I like all the walking. I like taking the subway and I like the community that I feel here. And yeah, I dig it. So I think I'm going to explore some more neighborhoods

and see what feels like the right fit for me. Come to Brooklyn. I was going to say, what about Brooklyn for you? What about like Carol Gardens? Okay, I did look at a place in Carol Gardens. It was like a five story walk up. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do that. No, that's tough.

Yeah, that's probably going to be a no for me. Yeah. But maybe you can tell me some like cool spots. I'm trying to put Matt in touch with my gal, my broker. The iconic Ronnie Rose but the iconic Ronnie Rose the iconic Ronnie Rose her second mention in a row.

Wow. Really? Just throw Ronnie Rose is like another another mythological her to that looms large in the world

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So not really you know what here's the thing oh but to the Hirschfeld yeah but like I'm not gonna move

into the Hirschfeld so like of course I don't know how long you know yes exactly just like six more weeks there but

if yeah if I'm gonna wanna be a part of that world a little bit more than I don't know I think you are so where you belong on Broadway

and doing theater I mean I just think it makes sense because i'm just because because you really are great and i mean like you like you really are like a shoot a load to the sky that's the title of that's another thing that's me up little bro me up, little bro. Dast me up, little bro. Period. Period. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that.

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roles. I can see you just doing a play. Ooh, great. Yeah, because it would be so nice to not have to think about singing. Do you know what I mean, you guys? Yes. It'd be so cute to be able to go out and have a cocktail and then do the show the next day. Not me. Couldn't be me. You know what, though? I remember I saw Idina Menzel

in a play. We did. Oh, yeah. What was that? It was Face Value or something. Whatever. It was something. She's doing another one. She has a new one coming out soon. Oh great. Is it a musical or is it a play?

Because I saw her in a play and I was like, this is Idina of famously of singing. Yes, yes, yes. And just to see her in a play, I was like, you know, if you get connected to this part of town, like they'll think of you for all sorts of things. And I have to imagine that like, well, obviously, like you're doing things outside of Moulin Rouge that are like exciting. But I do want to ask, like just in terms of recorded music, like you talk about the song Porcelain at the end of the book.

Yeah. Is that something that we're going to be hearing? Yes. I'm putting out new music soon. You are. So I think we're going to lead with Porcelain, which is really cool. And I'm just so nervous because i just haven't put out music in a long time and it's been three years i think so it feels like it's been

33 years it feels like i've never put out music before actually it's so weird but yeah i'm really excited just to rip the band-aid off and just put stuff out like new era there's so much dope music out there and i just want to play yeah i just want to be, you know, just have fun. We were saying the other day, you're really into the Sabrina album. So good. I feel like you guys speak to each other. You really do. She is so funny and cute and horny

and I'm obsessed. I love her. She also can, she can map out a riff. Yes. Totally. She is really, like, is she underrated as a vocalist? 100%.

She is. This is hysteria. There was this video of her like just messing around with this Jasmine Sullivan song yes oh I've seen and SZA commented

like I did not know you had it like this exactly and a lot of us felt that way wow do you know Eric Vitro the vocal coach she's Ariana's vocal coach

oh great I feel like I don't know if he went over to the UK like he's been a part of her life for a long time but he's also we worked with Sabrina

I work with him from time to time he's great he's in LA if you guys ever need amazing I feel like all three of all three of you that you just mentioned like I hear a ton of Ariana like like in like all three of you guys's stuff like I thought Sabrina's album was just like not only was it incredibly well performed and well written but's just, it's like a fusion of those two things. There's just a lot of personality. It feels like getting to know someone better. Yeah. Definitely.

And I think that on your last two outputs too, like sometimes when I was reading the book, I was like, man, this has to be a really difficult thing to have such a complicated relationship with things other people truly love. Yeah, it makes me feel really bad. No, no, no. Because I completely identify with that part.

Do you? Of course. Of being like, well, it means something to people. And so therefore, it is like valid and important. It's something that you should honor as someone who made it.

But also, and I'm just talking about like little four minute sketches. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Let's say iceberg. Like when everyone comes up and says like, oh my God.

It's not even hate. It's just like when someone just boils you down to a thing. When someone just, you know, someone will just shout across the street, like, Iceberg. And I'm like, Aquamarine! Yeah. Is that what they, is it? It's happened. It happened? Yeah, I'm the girl from Aquamarine.

Period. Period. You're so good in that, though. Oh, well, thank you so much. You really are. But please tell me more about it. Well, no, it's just, I really, and what Matt's getting at is like, it's a constant renegotiation internally where you're like, and it lands, like the pendulum finally like stays at,

aren't we so lucky to be doing what we do? But like, I think you are so honest and vulnerable about how difficult a lot of these songs that you put out were because it was being dictated by all these other people. Yeah. And that makes me feel a lot of ways. It makes me feel like a little embarrassed because but not to where I'm like, you know, hanging my head down, you know, like it's just shameful. I don't feel ashamed about it because I understand now like why I made decisions all throughout my life, like even ones that I'm like where I hurt people or wherever. But like as it goes with that, like it kind of just makes me really excited when I

see artists that are just I believe they really are fighting for their vision. That takes a lot of courage. I think it also takes a lot of support from other people around them, whether it's their management or, you know, just even family and friends and stuff who like really see and want to help them pull that off, I think. And I just, I always felt kind of alone, like when I was trying to fight for something. So then I, because I was going through stuff in my personal life or family life and I had like been in this wicked long lawsuit and I just had no more resources energetically

or financially or anything. I just like felt so backed into a corner. Yeah. That, so I'm like embarrassed that I like did songs that I didn't love, but I understood why I trusted, you know, executives that were like, this is going to be a hit. And I was like, I just think I'm supposed to have more hits.

So I'm just going to do what you tell me to do because everyone's telling me you're supposed to be this or blah, blah, blah. So, but I'm sure you can understand the confusion. They happen to be right the first time. So for Leave Get Out, 100%. In the book, you discuss how you first heard Leave Get Out even as a 12-year-old

and you're like, this doesn't feel like me and I don't get it. And then you record it, you put your thing on it, and it literally immediately pops off. So then it becomes

a core belief these people do know best. Core belief. And it was no longer those people that were telling me. It was just other people that filled that place. So I was like, oh, even though it's not like Barry and Vincent, you know, making these calls, it is other people who also have had success in that area. And because it's a core belief, they, whoever they are, know better than me. And then those songs that i compromised on it just

never popped off like the promise was so i'm like so then you just feel silly yeah you know what i'm saying but it's kind of a blessing in disguise because to sing over and over and over again songs that you just really don't feel like you like if they're not big hits you like don't have to sing them sure totally fine totally yeah and then like creature of habit for example which i like yeah don't care for that song i'm so glad that i don't have to sing that i'm a creature what the fuck you're singing the words i'm a creature i'm a creature and i just did mass singer i'm like honestly i'm i want to take myself off this planet right now this is insanity but. But that was the recommendation. We talk about climbing Cringe Mountain.

I feel like the way you wrote about your time on The Masked Singer was, I think, kind of beautiful and sort of really holistic, too, because you're just like, this is obviously like not where I thought I was going to end up. Not what I thought I was going to be doing. But you've like crossed that fire and that crucible. And like, you can literally do anything. Like no one can tell you shit. I actually really enjoyed doing it. It was during, it was 2020 or 2021.

So I was like very much about getting a check as well. Sure. Get the check and get out the house. I really enjoyed that. Yeah. So yeah. So it was cool. I got to sing songs that I wouldn't have.

Like I sang, how am I supposed to live without you, Michael Bolton. Major. Major. wouldn't have like i sang how am i supposed to live without you michael bolton major major by the way your cover of can't fight this feeling from lisa frankenstein which came out this february zelda williams director of it oh come on that movie uh cult classic instant cult classic it really like that that song you gave that song yeah you really did you gave every song but like well thank you i mean one thing that i think was a really fun thing when it happened and also it's really interesting to

look back now that like taylor has her taylor's versions of stuff is you re-recording your first two albums and releasing them in 2018 and i do remember being so excited when when they came out because i was like because they weren't available for streaming and I was such a, I think I didn't know where my 2004 actual JoJo compact disc was in order when I know how to play it now. But when you did that, and by the way, Doug Krantz actually has a gift. When he takes photos for me

when I'm doing my show sometimes. He takes the best photos. He's really great. And he gave me as a gift those two vinyls wow and so i have them in la the 2018 vinyls yes i love and so but what's great about the re-recording of that and like i was really happy to see that you write this in the book is that when you finally got to re-record those things and you have those little bittersweet moments of reconnecting with you know what it felt like to record them the first time, it almost feels

like you can speak to and perform them in a way that you actually understand those emotions. Right. And in a way, it's like, they're new songs. They were grown-ass songs because you had a grown-ass voice. The way you do me? What am I talking about? How to touch a girl? I mean, how to touch her heart, but

like, I don't know. So, you know, a lot of this... But how to touch a girl, I mean, like her heart but like i don't know so you know but how to touch a girl i mean like it's really meaningful that it's like the song that you wrote and it's like such a beautiful it's like aretha like this girl's in love with you era it's so good but even singing like keep on keeping on which was like the song that i wrote by myself at 12 years old for my first album. I was like really touched by thinking about my little prepubescent self walking around the apartment complex and like writing those lyrics and then to re-sing them. It was, I just, even in just writing this book in totality, I realized how very little I had actually taken the time to try to remember because I didn't want to.

Wow. That's really interesting. I didn't give myself the time or space to appreciate how unbelievable my life is and has been. The things that I've accomplished, the things I've overcome, to me, it feels like against the odds that I'm still alive sometimes. Do you know what I mean? And so I'm like, take the time and be like, even the wisdom that I had at 12 years old to like want to encourage myself and others and keep on keeping on. Like that's precious.

I'm like, oh my God, little Joe. And that she was speaking to you 20 years later. Yes, she was still telling me to keep on keeping on. I'm like, what is happening? It was cool. But that's interesting to hear you say that like you weren't sure what the capacity for your own memory was because like the detail is is very granular and it's very specific in this book and i i wonder if that must have been and i'm sure it was like a very intense process of just like

picking out these details of just like even like you talking about like how long this hallway in this vegas hotel was i was just like yeah that so specific. Like that's tied to a very dark memory, but you're like, but just even in the book, you're like, these Vegas hotel hallways are fucking long. And that is very visceral. That detail is very visceral because you can feel it. So like, I imagine it was really deep kind of excavating of like the details of those really intense moments. Yeah. I mean, I have been in therapy for a long time now. So I have thought about some of the like pain points in my life because I've wanted to work through them and try to learn something or grow from them. But like that moment in Vegas, for example,

that is a hinge point in my life where it's also my mom's story. And I wanted to be really thoughtful and sensitive about the way that I told things that were her story and that are pain points for her too. But I realized how much I had protected other people to where it was like too much for me to bear. And like, I can see that room, that Vegas hallway, because that was a moment that I'll never forget. You know, I can see the, the letter that my mom wrote me and I can see it strewn, you know, all the things that are in the book and that happened and that I didn't know if I was ever going to share that my family knows and things like that. And it's not from a place of wanting to call anybody out or anything like that. Like,

trust me, I felt a lot of, I wrestled with it. But the story that I tell in this book and what my experience has been is about redemption and evolution and people can change if they want to. And that by sharing it all, no one can use anything against you. No one can like, you know what I mean? There's nothing to be ashamed of. That's beautiful. And the theme that kind of rang for me in reading this was like from the beginning, from your first appearance on Kids Say the Darnedest Things, which I loved as a kid too.

Wasn't that the best show? I loved it too. So sweet. But it's like from your first moments being on camera, it's like you were talking to a very complicated adult. And then I think the theme of this story for you is that like your whole life and your career has been about like being affected

by these very complicated individuals and that you, by the end of it, have the grace to forgive a lot of them and to complete them as people in the way that you talk and write about them. I think that is like the story of Jojo to me. Wow. Oh my God. Thank you for saying it like that. I really appreciate it because I had a lot of, I did have fear about anybody feeling upset or like I put them out there. Look, I don't paint myself in like the rosiest, you know, light.

I'm not a victim, nor am I a villain. I've been all things. And a lot of people have been that in my life too. Yeah. It's not like anyone can read this book and be like, wow, she really went out of her way to make it seem like everyone was the bad guy. Good, because that's not how I look at it. That's not how I look at my life.

In fact, I think one of my favorite parts of this book is when you literally just tee it up by being like i don't even know how to say this i'm just gonna say it i cheated on someone awesome person this this incredible person yeah and i think that that was actually one of the things that, of course, like if you're on your like moral high horse or whatever, like which people, of course, undoubtedly may be. You might not see yourself in it. But I think that like all I know is this idea that I know this is the wrong thing to do. But the urge inside me, whatever you paint that really, really vividly. This compulsion. This compulsion, saboteur compulsion inside, which I think, you know, in the way that I think about addiction, addiction can be to stimulation, to love, to substances, to getting outside

yourself, to chaos, to I've flirted with all of that. You know what I mean? And I think that I was in such pain. There was such confusion and chaos in my life that it's as if I needed to poison this like one thing because I felt unworthy. It's like I wanted to test maybe subconsciously how much it's just, there's no excuse. But looking back, I can, and through therapy, I'm just like, why? Why? Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. The excuse is the human condition. Right. You know, it's like, that's what it is. It's like, it's irrational. It's. Selfish. Selfish. But also it's informed by like, and this is me.

I'm not putting blame on these people, but I think it's a product of you being on the receiving end of a lot of adults and people who were there to protect you, who made you feel maybe unprotected at times. I felt very alone. This fall on Bravo... It's time to turn up....think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac... Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing.

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You know who looms very large in this book who I wanted to ask you about is Aaliyah. Like, from the very beginning, it feels like there's this moment where you go into Barry Hankerson, who was her uncle. Yeah. And who was, you know, the founder of Blackground. And, you know, he obviously is a complicated figure in the book and at large, but there was a moment where you sing for him and it was their first time meeting him. And there's a moment where he says he literally saw her spirit and her spirit told him that you were the one to invest in. Insane. Insane. Insane. I texted him when the one to invest in. Insane.

Insane. Insane. I texted him when I got to that part. Insane. But that in many ways it's insane because it's like you believe that he believed it, but also you also think this is a manipulation. Yeah, totally. Because there's probably no more,

especially when that person is literally at that point like a specter like they're not there and her image is so brandished and utilized for this thing that is like you know of the past but also will always feel contemporary it's like she is an ideal that can never really be reached unbelievable and in the years since she's passed, like I feel like, you know, the things that have come out about R. Kelly, the things that have come out about a lot of people around her. I want to know what your relationship

to her is today. She's an icon. There's no one, like she has inspired all the girls, myself included, but everyone was putting out music around her time. And since then, like she is the one, she's the prototype and an amazing actress and all around performer. She was about

to go on and do the matrix series. I think she was, and she had just done queen of the damned and, you know, Romeo must die and all these things like just unbelievable. I feel so much for her because of, I know some of her family, you know, in dealing with Black Ground, that label was founded for her because Barry had taken her to every other label and they said, she's too young. We don't want to deal with it, blah, blah, blah. Then he was also managing R. Kelly at the time and he put them together to work together. The rest is history in many ways. And she was not protected.

She was a child. And she acted grown and looked grown. It was singing grown music and everything. They did make her look very grown. Yeah. And there was this whole mystery and amazing thing surrounding her. Like her aura was larger than life. And the marketing and the music and

just everything was perfect. But now that I'm an adult, I'm like, she was not protected. And matter of fact, I know a lot of things that I'll never say. And it's just crazy. All the stuff that's come out with R. Kelly, thank God. Yep. Because I heard so many stories. It really was the industry's biggest secret. And there were people around that facilitated that. And you can, you know, through, without me needing to say it, know who facilitated that. And, you know, it's just, there's no way around it.

It's disgusting. It's really rough. And I feel like your connection to her is even kind of projected onto the way that like Blackground sort of withheld both of your work for so long, you know? Yeah. So every label has to do a deal with the digital streaming platforms. Like that was going on when kind of the digital streaming revolution was happening and everything was changing and people were streaming music as opposed to like buying in stuff. So every label, no matter how big or small, needed to do individual deals with all the DSPs.

My former label that Aaliyah was on as well and Tony Braxton and Tim timbaland and stuff they did not do deal they just didn't get to it or they just like you know they just made interesting business choices that i'll never ridiculous like i just don't get it yep so my stuff was not available on streaming neither was alia's her fans were going crazy online my fans were going crazy online and i was like if i can do something about my own history, legacy being snuffed out, I need to try to do something. And so I, then I rerecorded my old music. There was no real precedent for that. I had never seen that be done before. So we just went for it. And then a couple of years later, they got to doing a street, you know, a deal with it. And then it, then it just looked like I just wanted to rerecord my music.

But it was out of necessity. Yeah. And I could tell even then I was like, this must be a thing of like there must be something fucked up going on. And the fact that you were doing that was like both. I'm sure empowering for you, but also you have to know so empowering and fun for your fans. Yes. Yes. Because I'm telling you like i hope

so oh god yeah just to first of all first of all to even have access to it was huge and the second of all is just like i know you talk a lot in the book about like your relationship to your singing voice now versus then and how there is a lot of anxiety around just the way the human voice changes for both every seven years they Really? I've heard of that. Yeah, I've heard of this. Well, yeah, that you're entirely cellularly replaced every seven years. But I think seven is vocal.

Well, none of us are scientists. The chemist over here. No, no, no, no, no. He is pretty close to a scientist. No, no, no, that's not true. But yes, like the way you write about it in the book is so honest too, because you're like, because now I'm sure you love the way your timbre,

but it's like, I'm sure with the changes as you age, it's like- It was weird to accept. Of course. Yeah, because I mean, my first album, I hadn't got my period. Like I wasn't- It wasn't a woman's voice.

Quite literally. Yeah. Not a girl. I was a girl and also not yet a woman. voice. Quite literally. Yeah. Not a girl. I was a girl. And also not yet a woman. And not yet a woman. Yeah. So, yeah, it was weird because I'm like, oh my God, people are always going to compare my voice to a prepubescent voice.

Yeah. And now I just don't care. I'm just too old for that. I'm just too grown. I will say like something about the first two albums not being on streaming and, but then the 2018 albums being, or right. Like there was like a little window. They weirdly then put the albums on stream. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So then, then I looked, right? Like there was like a little window. Well, they weirdly then put

the albums on streaming. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So then I looked silly. It made you look like. Yeah, but whatever. I think I've just stayed

with the 2018 releases and I just prefer those versions. Honest, dead ass. Really? Conviction down. Conviction down?

Conviction down. I'm like, we're listening to Baby It's You 2018. It's just better. Just a little richer. Well, let's just say say i think it's just better than the fact that you still like baby it's you i do it's huge for us because we can't but i don't dislike too little too late or leave get out or anything i get what you're saying but like you don't really talk

shit about too little too late no because i wanted that. I love Too Little Too Late. That was my shit. Like, it was sent to my sidekick messenger or whatever. Like, the demo from her last name Cunningham. She's super dope. And then Billy Steinberg and Josh Alexander. And it was sent to me and I was like, I knew that if I could get this song, that that should be my next single.

Too Little Too Late was everything. Everything. I just have to shout out, not that kind of girl. Oh, period. Better than the original. So much better. Yeah.

First of all, the way you tore up SWV week. Week. Like as a 12 year old. Are you kidding me? You had absolutely no right. And I was not surprised that the girls were reaching out because that had to be,

who from that time was like a singer singer that reached back out that you were especially gagged it had to be a ton of people what what like around that time when you get introduced as like brandy yeah i mean that was like no better than that shaka khan i remember like i mean oh whitney houston i mean sent me flowers to madison square. You're kidding. No, when I was performing at like a jingle ball or something, her and her daughter, rest in peace,

to both of them, Bobby Christina. They sent me flowers and I'll never forget that moment. That is the ultimate validation as a singer. It really is. Actually, I don't need anything else. Period. Truly. But like, there are so many wonderful moments of the boat too,

where you just talk about these like moments and these interactions with all these singers like Destiny's Child and even like going to Taylor's house with Selena and how she was like keeping up with the lawsuit and so many things.

Victoria Monet. I love the Victoria Monet piece because we just saw, we're our Victoria fans. Speaking of big bro, I think that she may have made an appearance last night sonically.

I love, I have texted her this. I was like, I have had some of the best dalliances of my life to her music. Oh yeah. I really have.

I got this feeling for you. Ah! Romeo, yeah you did, it's your motherfucking moment. Show me what you got. That and Ariana Positions were big fuck albums for me. Well, Victoria's all over Positions, right?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, look. Her hand on all contemporary R&B pop music is monumental. And we saw her at Coachella. She killed it. Of course. That was the live show.

She's a force. Mm-hmm. I could not be happier for her. No one deserves it more. Nope. And she's a mother. I know. I'm just in awe.

Just to see like by the industry standards like someone quote unquote older or like up in years. No, it's fire. Yeah. She's amazing. Mid 30s, looking better than anyone in the world. Yep years no it's it's fire yeah she's amazing mid-30s looking better than anyone

in the world yep and it's just it's the aesthetic is so you can just tell it's someone who has you know for better or worse i'm sure coming up it felt like when is it going to be my turn but now that it's like she can have this fully realized, like visual, like sonic, you know, emotional identity in what she's doing that feels really satisfying. That's the exact word that I'd use to describe it. It's satisfying because of all the thoughtfulness, the attention to detail. She spared no expense. She put everything into this. I love Jaguar one and two.

I'm just so here for everything that she does. Like I trust her as an artist so much and she's such a beautiful person. And I know so many people that are in her orbit and I've, you know, known her a little bit throughout the years and she's just, it's so cool to see her. I was with your former castmates, Liz Gillies and Frankie Grande during those Grammys. We were at Ari's, whatever name dropped. But watching her win,

like Ari burst into tears. Yeah. Like when Victoria won the Grammy, it was just like, everyone, Liz and Frankie, just everyone was just like this. They were just turning to me being like,

you have no idea. No idea. This girl deserves it more than anybody. So yeah, so when we, she was on the fifth Harmony Tour

that I was on too. And just to see how humble she was. She was grateful for the opportunity, just kind of doing her thing. I think she had written for them or was working with them. And I'll never forget, you know, just how she just had a fan on her,

just like a fan blowing her hair. And she learned how to do all the things behind the scenes. And it's just truly the best story ever. I mean as we're talking about her like it just makes me excited for porcelain and for everything that's coming with you because Sagittarius

Sun, Aquarius Moon and that made sense to me. Capricorn? Sag. Sag. Sag. Because it made sense to me just because you have this thing in the book where you're like I was always told I was like left of center that you always have these experimental ideas. And that's like, that's the Aquarius, I think. And then I'm also like, I think you're one of those people where it's like, like Charlie popping off recently. It's like, oh no, the industry had to catch up to that.

You know what I mean? I feel that way with you. I feel that way with you where it's like, now that we're in this like really experimental place with music and with r&b and with pop and dance and all these other things it's like it's like you like you you you're gonna meet that moment you know what i mean i'm so inspired by everything that i see and the people that you just named like it's even though i've been doing this a long time i it really fills me with a lot of energy to see that. And to keep believing for myself too, that like, if you are true to your artistic vision,

you are clear about it, like build it and they will come and the right people will come and it can take time. But, you know, just to keep that faith is, yeah. It's a long game. It's a long game. And we're talking about the culture.

I think it's time to ask Jojo the question. Yes. I mean, it is. I'm just like sitting the culture. I think it's time to ask Jojo the question. Yes. I mean, it is. I'm just like sitting here like, and I'm just thinking about like all the times you were like, all I wanted to do was do my vision and they stopped me. And I was just thinking like about how authenticity is what people are truly responding to right now.

And there's, it's such a great time. Like no one can tell you or anyone now that like, oh, R&B isn't what's in. That's not the way we should take pop. It has to be pop rock. It has to be pop dance or whatever. We're in such an eclectic time. Yeah, what is a genre even?

That's what I'm saying. It feels like a really ripe time. And like, speaking of time, we'll go back in it and we'll ask you the question. Joanna Levesque, what is the culture that made you say culture was for you

okay I hope I understand this question correctly it's okay that you don't it's like sort of a good question like that I'm gonna give you my interpretation yeah divas live

thank you for saying these words divas live if they have they haven't said it today okay I know that's right that was everything for me seeing like

yep Mariah and Shania and Shaka and Celine and Whitney and all of these women. They used to do it every year. And then they just stopped. I was like, why did they stop? They have to do it again.

For me, that was everything for me. It made me feel so alive. And I was like, oh, I want like a little bit of this one and this one and this one. And I like one day I want to be like that. Talk about genres all coming together. I mean, they represented everybody. Gloria. Gloria. I don't even think i knew who shania was like bonnie right there like you know it's just yeah so cool and i feel like now would be a great time to to bring that back i think amazing time they did something i did like a divas live um christmas

thing a few years ago and that was that was sick But really the heyday was in the late 90s. That's when I was a little cherub. Yes. Sitting and putting in my VHS tape, taping it and watching it back over and over again. Yes. Yeah. Oh, that was truly the moment.

I remember it was the first one they ever did. Mariah came out first and she did, I think, my all and then make it happen if you believe it you know i saw it on your playlist for the album for the for the book i mean like it make it happen was on your be knowing you be looking i don't know how many times i have to tell you i'm a fan i love you i love you back i've loved you from jump like i mean I mean, like, but I get, and also calling back to her book. She talks about, you know,

she has such a relationship with that song because it was truly a documentation of where she was at, like hitting the pavement. And you know that that's why she included it that night. She said, what? Not more than three short years ago, I was abandoned and alone. Abandoned and alone.

Without a penny to my name. So very young and so afraid. I took the shoes. I kept the shoes upon my feet. Sometimes I couldn't even eat. I often cried myself to sleep. So I had to keep on going. Never knowing if I could take it, if I could make it through the night.

Come on, she is preaching. And then at the end, she is wailing. Yeah. You can make it. You can make Yeah. I think all the instruments, it's just like the drum. It's just percussion. But like every. Roaring. She's just roaring.

It's because she is preaching. She is preaching. Me as like a six year old girl was like, just, I don't know why I needed that injected into my veins in that way. But yeah. But Divas Live was like giving you a fucking buffet you know what I mean that's what we need to bring back it's like get all of them on the same stage

and you want to know what too it created iconic moments in the culture such as Selena and Aretha doing their sing off at the end which I know is controversial amongst the girls like Mariah like you know feels some way about it I think but like who won that though I don't think we can confidently say there was It's controversial amongst the girls. Like Mariah, like, you know, feels some way about it, I think. But like. Who won that though?

I don't think we can confidently say there was a winner. I hear you. But like, wasn't one of them kind of like just unaffected by it? Some were playing. I think Celine was just in playful mode. Which I love her so much for her playfulness. But then you could see some other ladies were like in reverent mode. Like Mariah truly was in reverent mode. Like Mariah truly

was in reverent mode. She was like, you don't go up to Aretha and challenge. And that's how I feel. Right. And but Celine, I think maybe because like

Celine maybe culturally didn't come up in a place of like. Well, she's Canadian. Right. It's different. And things like a different genre of I guess you could say. And then like so,

but I think like, it was just funny to hear about later, like that Mariah felt like that, that was like disrespectful. Like just let Aretha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let her have the moment. She is the queen of celcius. Why we're here. In fact, they built that night around her.

Period. They had to turn all the ACs off. This is an iconic thing. Did you know about this? No. She will not sing with air conditioning. And so the air conditioning was turned off. I mean, good for the-

And it was very hot. Good for the courts. And now you can see in the- Why everyone's- In the footage of the night, everyone has their playbills going like this, like as if it was church. If you want another memoir to read,

it was written by Dave Ritz, and he interviewed her over years, and it's Aretha's memoir. It is so good. Really interesting. I had no idea what her childhood was like. And her father was a creep, a famous pastor, mad creepy, but really amazing, especially if you guys love Aretha. Were you researching a lot of other?

I was reading a lot of memoirs in the past couple years when I was thinking about writing one. I'm like, let me just get this all in my brain so I can see what happens. You must have read Mariah's. Yes. Love. I mean, and her audio book is really what it's all about.

So good. Are you doing yours? Of course you are. Of course. And we better hear you sing. I still don't know if legally they were able to clear with the publishing. I just cracked my hand on here.

Want to hear some more? Iconic. Ooh, I can see that too. ASMR. Satisfaction. Very satisfying. So yeah, I hope that they were able I just cracked my hand on here on here some more iconic ASMR satisfaction very satisfying so yeah I hope that they were able to get clearance

because I did sing the words and the stuff so we'll see oh we hope that would be good I mean did you have emotional moments

reading it was there parts that were very difficult to get through yeah so I did it over a course of like five days it was like five hours a day for five days

yeah that's a lot. It was cool. It was cool. I'm glad I couldn't have let it go down with anybody else reading it. That would have been so weird. I have a pretty nice speaking voice. I felt like I could do it. We love hearing your voice. In any capacity. But so in terms of like the Divas Live of it all, we have to know if there's five today. It's really hard. That's the thing. I guess it's like you have to build it around Beyonce.

Right. You have to build it around Beyonce. Ariana. Beyonce, Ariana. Adele? Yeah. Maybe. Adele. I always put Kelly out there. Kelly Clarkson. Kelly Clarkson can sing. There's only one left. Now I put Kelly out there. Kelly Clarkson. Kelly Clarkson can sing. There's only one left.

I know. Now I need a country person. Oh, of course. Carrie. I suppose it's Carrie. She certainly can sing like a motherfucker. Yeah, she can in those legs. Yeah.

Oh, I have a Barry's trainer who I literally have to stop working out every time because he goes, after this, you're going to be looking like Carrie Underwood. And it's just the gayest shout out to Kyle K. I mean, Kyle K has now become a celebrity on the podcast. He used to be on.

Okay, come on. But like, literally, he always is saying, after this, our thighs are going to look like Carrie Underwood and I have to put my waist down

because I'm like, you are so gay. It's the best because no one gets it. How do you not? Doesn't everybody know that she's the best legs I've ever gets it. How do you not? Doesn't everybody know that she's the best legs I've ever seen?

Is that like factotum? She really shows them off on the album covers. Those gays. Okay, she could be in Deepest Live. You just cast that like in two seconds.

I mean, you starting with Beyonce and then me following up with Ari and then Adele. I mean, from there. We haven't even said the words. Beyonce. Jennifer Hudson, though.

Jennifer Hudson, yes. Jennifer Hudson. You know who also, I mean, Miss Renee Rapp. We love Renee. Oh, love Renee. Kills it. There's so many.

There's just so many. And isn't that amazing? It's just like. It's a good time. It's a really good time. Yeah. Like, also like, you have Tinashe on Good to Know. Yeah, also like, you have Tinashe

on Good to Know. Yeah. Come on, Tinashe. Watching her moment now. I really feel like that's the song of the summer. Oh, yeah.

Nasty? Yeah. But I know it's a controversial topic of what is the song of the summer. People, this year it's harder than ever. It's hard.

We had a really good summer. I mean, Espresso, for me it's between Espresso and Nasty. I think we have to give it to espresso just because of the ubiquity and the fact that it announced Sabrina Carpenter in this way

that it feels like we're never going back. Now we're in a world where Sabrina is in it. Yeah. Right. And it feels like espresso was the moment. Espresso, nasty, good luck, babe. Good luck, babe. Birds of a feather.

Yeah. Like, I mean, it was a great summer. Great summer. Like, there's a groundswell happening in music right now. It's cool. And, like, there's room for everything. And, like, fuck. Like, I don't know.

Like, it's exciting. Yeah. And, like, it's just really exciting to me that you're putting out stuff again. When do you think we'll get it? I think really soon. You think you want to clear Moulin Rouge and then maybe put it out? Or you want to, like— That's what I'm thinking.

Let her cook. Give myself a little—yeah, let her cook a'm thinking. Let her cook. Give myself a little... Yeah, let her cook a little bit, you know? But yeah, I've been sitting on this song for a little bit and just wanting to like make sure I got my business in order so it can come out and do the thing. Yeah. I'm eager. Is it indie now?

Like, or just still on your... Clover. Yeah, it's on Clover. I have a little distro situation and it's it's cool it's different it's like i respect so much how tanasha has rolled it out when you're bringing on people and you're doing it independent but you it's it's not for the faint of heart it's actually a lot to learn yeah from doing it yeah i want to pick your brain after this actually yeah please do yeah uh but anyway uh can you give us some if you had to describe

the new music in three words um flirting with pop is three words perfect with pop delicious little hooks oh yeah but there's nothing like pop r&b music there's nothing like it's why i've loved you so much yeah it hits you i just love people who really fucking mean what they're singing and pop music is not trash pop music actually is very powerful because it gets in people's ears and when you have a meaningful demure meaning like what? Mindful? If we have a mindful singer doing pop music, that's why Sabrina, Olivia Rodrigo, that's why these girls

are killing it so. I totally agree. Because they mean what they're singing. Yeah. Imagine that. And they feel it. Yeah.

Imagine that. And they're songwriters. Yes. And they are, whether they're writing it themselves or collaborating, doesn't matter. These are their stories and that's why they connect yeah and there's no way to like

whatever labels they're signed to are so lucky to have them because you can't fabricate that no you can they are real they are authentic these girls chapel too i think yeah chapel ron is a beast beast like that bridge on good luck babe we haven't seen a bridge like that since disaster guys i'm gonna be honest with you. This is embarrassing, but like I am not deep into the chapel canon. I don't know the world. Just wait.

Yeah. I need to give it time. Sure, sure. Take it at your own pace. You're going to like that album. I'm going to dive in tomorrow when I'm at the theater. I'm going to listen. I'm going to think of you both.

Think of us. Let us know what you think. Send us a text. I will. Because there's real writing on there and she's got a beautiful voice. I remember, so we were just talking the other day

about like when I first went to go see her at the Fonda and she had this unbelievable voice and her energy on stage. The way I described it was like Annie Lennox meets Kesha. Like this like super like conceptual, like weird drag persona. That's like very fun forward. But this voice from like someplace else.

Yeah. Like channeling something where I feel like you were channeling something. I feel like I'm pitching to her. You're like this. Like you're at the boardroom. The CEO. Well, my pinstripe pants are evocative of that, isn't it? It's giving exact. You're like, I'm sold on her. You don't need to pitch. No, my pinstripe pants are evocative of that, isn't it? It's giving exact.

You're like, I'm sold on her. You don't need to finish. No, no, no. I'm doing it tomorrow. This may make or break her. I have to ask you about Iceland. You heard about going to Iceland. Have you been?

I went to work there and one of my favorite experiences of my life. Really? Where did you? We did not go to Blue Lagoon. You went to Blue Lagoon, which is iconic. Yeah. I went to Sky Lagoon okay

I was looking at that one too really good if you go again I just think what a beautiful place didn't it feel like Mars felt like Mars yeah you feel like

you're on another planet the nature is like so unbelievable like that's where they shot like Interstellar and stuff it's like where can we go in the world that makes it seem like

another planet underrated film by the way really underrated film yeah anyway that's a good edible on your day off watch do you still fuck with weed no it scares me right now it scares you right now it's not the season for me for us i get you for marijuana totally see and we were just talking about how you both need to take a step back because we're actually our proper

stoners but the thing is i wish i could be i just i know sometimes though like just sitting in front of Interstellar like it really was and that's a movie I sob oh my god what movie makes you cry

the hardest Interstellar I definitely cried for that too Arrival have you seen that one no I haven't seen that really good I haven't seen that

first of all Amy Adams is that girl and no one no one can ever say anything to me because she's deserved an oscar several times arrival is her best performance it's just it's so beautiful when you really get to what it's about like it's one of those movies that's like is it about space too so it's an alien movie

it's an alien encounter movie she plays someone who is like a linguistics professor who they bring in to communicate with these aliens who they don't know what the aliens want and they speak in a circular oh i already have chills yeah i don't know what the aliens want. And they speak in a circular. Oh, I already have chills. I don't know why that's moving to me. So you find out that their concept of time is very different. And that speaks to a situation that she goes through. And it is an absolutely beautiful message. And it is one of the great films that we've.

Denis Villeneuve, who did the Dune films, directed it. Yeah, visually very beautiful, very brand new in terms of like- A sci-fi story. Yeah, like just the way that the creatures are designed. Like I thought it was- So you do get to see the creatures? You do, you intimately see them.

Intimately see them? Yes. Like a big bro, little bro situation? They made me shoot a load to heaven. Like, the video producer doesn't know me. And so I feel like he just understood who I was in a moment. And that's sort of... He just grabbed the armrest.

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it out of the envelope i was like i gasped be honest not gasped i gasped you were sent you were probably sent a bunch of photos from the shoot. When you saw this, you were like, that's her. Let me be honest with you. I did this shoot myself

in London. We did a whole other shoot. It was just me and Ronaldo who does social stuff. He's worked, he's been on my team for a long time. We love you, Ronaldo.

Ronaldo. And it was just me, him and the photographer in London. I did a whole other shoot with my book company, Hated It. And just went back to this shoot and was like, sorry guys, I a whole other shoot with my book company, Hated It, and just went back to this shoot

and was like, sorry guys, I know you just paid for this whole thing, but like, look at this picture. I like this one. This is a beautiful fucking photo.

I was like, I've never looked better. Let's do that. See, and also you talk a lot in the book about like, you know, the way that you

have been packaged and the photos that they've chosen and stuff like that. Oh, I just felt so stupid. Yeah, just some of the- but like, you know what?

That is empowering because you're like, I'm going to tell my story. I'm also going to pick the fucking photo. Yeah. It just had to be that. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Been doing this too long.

To say, you know, we're over the influence. I just love it. I love it so much. Might it be time for I Don't Think So Honey? I think it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Okay. I just love it. I love it so much. Might it be time for I Don't Think So, Honey? I think it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay, so we've arrived at that part of the episode where we take 60 seconds to rant against something in culture that is bothering us a little bit.

Now, today I'm not going to be so cultural. I'm going to talk about something a little personal. And I feel like this episode I've been very bodily. And that's not going to stop. Bodily? Bodily? I've been bodily. Okay. In terms of my vocabulary.

I've been talking about Big Bro and what he sort of makes my body do. I'm going to talk about what's another thing that's happening with my body. Uh-oh. Can't wait. Coming out a different end. No, stop. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Why is my one foot all of a sudden bigger than my other foot? This is crazy. I swear to God. If someone can explain to me what is happening, please. The other night we were at a wedding,

I wore some nice shoes. I have these nice boots and I put one foot in one shoe, another foot in another shoe, and I realized the one shoe doesn't fit. Cut to about three weeks ago. We're with our stylist getting ready for a thing we're doing.

And I put my shoe in one of doing and i put my shoe in one of the i put my foot in one of the shoes and it's the same thing so now it's not even discriminating on it's just this pair of shoes like maybe something happened to these leather boots no it's my foot is it the fact that i'm on a treadmill a lot what is happening to my one foot? Stop it! This is about my feet. While you foot freaks out there are probably flipping out. Ew. We can talk. I'm not against it.

Five seconds. Anyway, why is my one foot bigger than the other? Suddenly! I don't think so, honey. That's one minute. Does anyone know? Is it an every seven years thing?

It might be, actually. Do you know the answer to this? Why just one? So there is, I'm not a doctor and I'm not a scientist. You're not? Then shut up. I do believe when one side of your body is bigger than the other.

It's like when women are like my one tit. And I do have that. You have one bigger tit than the other? I've got one bigger tit. I need to explore and see which one is bigger. I guess it makes sense. And I'm literally, as I'm talking right now, I'm realizing

my one foot just feels bigger. I also think, you know what I think I have? So every single morning when I wake up, the back, like above my heel feels sore. And when I get up, when I walk, I'm like, ooh, ooh, I think I have Achilles tendonitis. I think I have that too.

My freaking Achilles thing is Achilles tendon. It feels tender, right? And sore. And I, when I was feeling the one, especially on the right, I was like,

is there a little bit of a bump here? Do we need inserts for our shoes? Is that where we're at in our mid thirties? That's what's happening. And suddenly you're identifying as mid thirties. All it took me was the length. Cause we're saying words like Achilles tendonitis and insoles

I think y'all need to go to the podiatrist no that's T that is T foot T I wish my foot was T my foot is not T my body's been kind of T lately my foot is not T

stop just tell any one of those absolutely stacked dancers. Actually, to be honest with you, sometimes I'm like, I like to them all. The one you talked about. But also sometimes I'm like, if a guy like that was interested in me, I don't

even know if I would know what to do with it. No, I know. I'm sure I would figure it out. But like, wow. Like I used to say, like my ideal would be with a Broadway dancer and that still holds true it still holds true but it's like a little intimidating these men are let them lead they know what they're doing

you know what I mean? let them lead it's actually really cultural number 19 let them lead they know what they're doing re-Broadway dancers so that's if anyone out there can tell me why my one foot they know what they're doing. Re-Broadway dancers. So that's, if anyone out there can tell me why my one foot is suddenly bigger than the other and wasn't always,

that would be amazing. And yes, I checked the sizing of the shoe, and they were the same size. It's not the shoe. It's not the shoe. Yves Saint Laurent, you continue to do wonderful work. A shoe I was gifted did not buy. Another flex. Oh my god. That wasn't a wealth flex. But so what if it was so what if it was

I'm sorry um okay ready I'm ready this will be Bo and Yang's I don't think so honey and if I can find

my stopwatch his time will stop now wait oh there it is sometimes I get confused and I go to the calculator one instead of the clock one they're similar

oh that's an I don't think so honey right there design flaw Apple are you listening okay this is Bo and Yang's I don't similar. Oh, that's an I Don't Think So Honey right there. Design flaw. Apple, are you listening? Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey.

Why is women's tennis best out of three and men's tennis best out of five? I just learned that this weekend after going to the Open. That doesn't make any sense to me. I want to see the women play a little longer, if anything. But if we're striving for gender parity, then I think we might as well just make up the same rules. Everything else is the same. Why could the number of sets be the same? I cannot

believe what I was seeing. I was seeing Pagoola go against Swiatek. Swiatek? Okay. That was a thrilling game. And then that ended much too soon. And then I guess I had to see Mr. Sinner go up against, um, what's his face? Taylor Fritz. Not Taylor Fritz.

At the quarterfinal, it was someone else. But I was just like, I think I would have preferred just to watch the women play longer. I'm a new tennis. I get it now.

15 seconds. I lost so much time in my life not standing tennis and now I finally do. Sports are back, y'all. I mean, this Olympics really lit a fire

under my ass. Now I'm like, I'm putting it on every day. I'm doing little tours around the house. I'm putting the Olympics really lit a fire under my ass. Now I'm like, I'm putting it on every day. I'm doing little tours around the house. I'm putting the game on. That's what I meant. This is our big sports year. Putting the game on! Putting the game on!

I'd love to see it for you. And I want to put the game on too. Yes. When I saw Challengers, that's when I First of all, round of applause. So good. So hot. So hot. Loved it. But then I started taking tennis lessons because I'm like, I want a tennis bay. I think that's a sexy thing. I did watch none of the U.S. Open.

That's okay. Nor did I go. It's not okay. And it needs to change next year. I didn't watch any either except when we went to the men's final. And I didn't even know who Taylor Fritz was until we were there. Who is Taylor Fritz? He, in fact, competed in the final of the U.S. Men's Open.

I've been thinking about this all night long. Okay, this is really good. Okay, so this is Joe's I Don't Think So, Honey. Joanna Jojo Levesque. Her time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. Why do you say, I don't know if either of you say

it like this, important. When did people start doing it like that? Is this a Kardashian speak and like the slowing down and the everything up? Also, do I speak like this now? Like people speaking like they're from this region that doesn't exist or like, you know what I mean? It's like it no longer. And I think it's because of, I think it's LA, not, not LA's fault, but it is probably keeping up with the Kardashians fault. Right. The speak, the, and I'm sorry if, I don't know who speaks this way,

but I started seeing it. It reminds me of like the demure and stuff like that, but like important. Yes, yes. When did we start breaking words apart like this? It's beautiful. I like it. It makes me feel good and a little ASMR-y and tingly.

15 seconds. But what inspired us to speak this way? Yes. And also like, it's interesting when I have to ask people like, where are you from? Because you just sound like a Kardashian. Right. So how am I going to fill up these last three seconds? Do I sound like this too?

Am I aware of what I sound like? Anyway. That's one minute. You are, you've really pinpointed something that has bothered me so much. And this is why it's a great, I don't think so, honey, because I've never said it out loud. There are people who be like, important. Important.

Yeah. They will hit all the, and sometimes I'm like, I don't know. It is really important. Is it like an accent? Is there just like, is there a regionalism

where I don't want to like, be like, why are you saying it like that? But it's enough people now where I'm like, what's happening? Yeah, it's a trend, I think. Can you both say the word as you would say it? Important.

Important. And I don't think that's correct. I think that is correct. First of all, they're going to be like, not a mass hole in a Long Island going to tell us how to talk. Important. Important. It's important. You know, I've been called out because I say picture

like pitcher. A pitcher. because I say picture, like pitcher. A pitcher. And I say remember, like member. How do you say museum? Do I say it weird? That was insane. You actually say it in the chicest way. Museum. Museum.

Museum. Like it's Shazam's cousin. Museum. How do you say it? Museum. Museum. Museum. But that's just me.

Museum. Museum. Shazam. How do you say it? Aquarium. How do you say the thing above a house? A roof. Okay. But my granddad used to say a rough. Rough.

But I say room. I say room. A room. Yeah, I say I'm going to my room. I'm going to my room. This room. How do you say the video game character that wears a red hat? Mario?

Thank you. Mario. Mario! Mario! He's Mario! Yeah, but I'm's Mario. You would. Yeah, but I'm Long Island. I am.

That's the thing. If I ever get a little angry or a little drunk, he comes out. Yeah. My Boston self comes out. And it's like, I've lived in LA a long time. But when I get drunk or angry, it's coming out. You absolutely said Wicked earlier. Yeah.

And you weren't talking about the November 2024 film. Are you excited? Oh my God, am I excited? Have you seen that on Broadway? No, we, um, I saw it in the West End

maybe years ago. So I have seen it. You just saw it in the West End a couple years ago? So funny. So, I'm sorry, funny because they really dig it

because they speak in British accents in that show. Right. It's so funny. Just like, just the difference is so popular. No, it's like, oh yeah, accents in that show. It's so funny. Just the difference is so popular. It's like, oh yeah, sure, that works. I love it.

I love it. You know, there's been- I'm so excited. So the Wicked trailers have come out and I want to say, if you want to, and this is, I'm just saying it. The best Wicked trailer yet is the Italian Wicked trailer.

Okay, you told me this the other night. Why? I got to watch it. I don't know why internationally trailers are different than domestic trailers, but for some reason, they will send out

different versions of- Different cuts? Different cuts of entire trailers, I guess to market the film differently. I think my opinion, and I don't know this- American audiences don't want to know

that it's a musical? Well, America- We are trash. The studios don't like to tell people that it's a musical because they believe if audiences know something is a musical they won't come so a lot of times they try to make the movie look like a marvel movie or like you know they tried to hide that the mean girls reboot was a musical yes they did try to have no awareness until like later yes so and then it was full-on which is in fact the reason it existed is because there was the musical on broadway and then it was this but they what they will do i think or what they're

doing with the wicked trailer is i think they assume that maybe a lot of people in america know the story and so they're just building it around big set pieces and like trying to capitalize on the fact that this is a story about two women who support each other. Whereas like the Italian trailer kind of tells the story a little bit more about the fact that they are actually at odds throughout most of it. Because, you know what I mean? Like, I think there's something more international happening with the way they're trying to get the story across. Okay. And then the American trailer, in my opinion, is more capitalizing on, look at how beautiful this looks.

These are the stars. You know, everyone gets sort of a little moment. Whereas like the other trailer is like, this is the narrative that you'll be seeing unfold. So interesting. Depending on what I guess people need to decide if they're going to buy a ticket. Which I don't know what's in dispute. It's wicked. Like, do you speak Italian?

Or how do you know like what's being narrated as far as the trailer or you just know from the way they're piecing it together? Subtitles are an amazing thing. Subtitles. Wow. It's actually roller coaster number 100. Subtitles are an amazing thing. I'm 150 years old. I'm not familiar with it. Do you, but do you, no,

but if you're 150, then do you ever like when you're watching TV, do you do the subtitles? Because I, my vision is impaired because I'm in my mid-30s. So I need the help I can get. What a journey we've been on this episode. The whole bridge that I crossed to accept. When you said you wouldn't accept it and now you've identified as elderly. Now I'm fully accepted, yeah.

Come in, the water's warm. This episode has aged you. It really has. But in a beautiful way. Thank you. You've told your story. Like a fine one. Not just here on the episode but

in this amazing book september 17th over the influence come on let's go this is really you did such an amazing job and what i will say is i know you didn't use a ghostwriter which had to be scary and like and a lot but i will say what an amazing choice because you know this came from you. And in that way, it's a real page turner because you, there's no pretense and there's no dilly dallying and there's no, obviously there's editing, but there's no editing. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, this is, this is, feels like what happened. And I just really fucking respect you even more than I already did because of how beautifully you told this

and I thank you for it. Thank you for gassing me up this whole episode you guys. I am about to go out and take over the world. I love y'all. Thank you. Can they call us two what do they call us? Molly Pills. Molly Pills. They call you Molly Pills? No. No. No. No.

We're just trying to give ourselves a headline. I was trying to deflect a compliment and I ended up being silly. But the fact is, we fucking love you. We adore you. I adore you. I'm honored to be sitting on this burnt orange velvet. Look, it's not

the set of Moulin Rouge, okay? Guys, I'm a fucking lost cult. I am so excited. Oh my God. We love you so much. We simply adore. And the fact is, we end every episode with a song.

It's just a little too late. A little too long. And a kid away. You know all the right things to say. You know it's just a little too late. We did it! We sure did. Wow!

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