Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "GAYFIGHT" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

On fair Las Cultch, where we set our scene: It's Matt's birthday, Bowen is straight and there is culture to be caught up on. Traitors is recapped, Kristen Johnston is praised, and what truly makes a great sequel is debated. All this, Beyoncé's acting era, recent Bravo legal drama, and Drag Race thoughts. Also, is "insecurity" being overused as an excuse? Is Boba Fett just a big bitch? Did YOU vote? Much to discuss this week on LAS CULTURISTAS... the PODCAST! It's about to be a-- what?!-- gayFIGHT! Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that, who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac.

Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing out.

You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer.

Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy, Elianian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.

And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see.

Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. Happy birthday to my sister. No. Thank you, my beloved. 34. What a bizarre age to turn. Yeah, what's 34 giving? 34 is giving sort of neither here nor there.

You know what I mean? It's like, I don't even know what to feel about it. Because you're not in your... Well, I guess I'm in my mid-30s. I'm in my mid-30s, Beau. Sure. I mean, watch Adele come out with her next album, 34. Then that number will mean something.

Yeah, then we'll know how to feel. I don't know how to feel. I don't know how to feel. Remember Billie Eilish? There's so many incredible singers saying incredible things if you really just listen. And that's actually Real Culture number 10. There's so many

incredible singers saying incredible things if you really just listen. I'm just celebrating you. I feel like I celebrate you every day. I feel that from you, sister. And I celebrate you as well. It is my number one joy in life.

Watching you thrive, shine and conquer. And more. And more. Thrive, shine and more. Thrive, shine and more. Conquer. Let's not get dictatorish on them. Not in the year

2024. No, hon. It's actually election day. I am stomping to the voting booth after this to cast my vote for Barbara

Leif for Senate. Barbara. Ms. Barbara Icon progressive champion. And we will do our best over here in California to vote. Are you voting in New

York? No, it's not primary voting in New York? No. It's not primary day in New York. Oh, okay. I'm so California. I'm so LA. Only thinking about myself. Like if it's primary day for me,

it must be primary day for everyone else. Oh, shut up, Matt. No, our primaries are not for president are not until April. Oh, oh yeah. I guess you guys vote in a presidential primary. I don't even know, girl. Girl, I'm just giving it up to God.

I'm voting local, making that change. Thank you. Do you see Taylor put out her, you know, once a term voting registration call to action? Did she? Wait, I have to see this. Which we blessed today in the tortured poets department.

Yeah. Sort of aesthetic. Okay, so she let everyone know. Everyone vote. Also, like, sort of still have an album coming out. No, don't forget that one. But bless for making those things converge, having those things happen at the same time.

This is not me being snarky. Why would I be snarky? I don't think you have any reason to be. Not being as on top of the world as you are, having just fucked Sidney Sweeney and all. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think I've shifted a little bit down on the Kinsey scale.

No lie. You definitely seem straight to me, and I've been saying it for such a long time. Like my thing, like my traitor's moment right now is me saying, I do think you're straight, Bowen. And I think you've been straight this whole time. And I think that you're gay for clout, laughs, and attention. And attention. First and foremost, everything you do is for attention. You know what? The MR Asians are right. There is a conspiracy in Hollywood

for Asian men to be effeminate so that they can escape persecution because I'm never persecuted in my daily life as a gay Asian man. I don't see you persecuted. I really don't see you persecuted. No, no, never. I see you skating by.

I see you enjoying a life free of criticism and persecution. That makes so much sense. You're like Ghislaine in the woods, safe. Yeah, and they got her. So you're my Sheree, I'm Phaedra. You're Sheree being like, look me in the eye. Whoa, drag my ass.

That is not a drag. You know my feelings about Sheree Whitfield. I know you love Sheree. I think she's one of our best housewives, period, ever. She definitely is pretty fabulous. She's one of our best. So, period, ever. She definitely is pretty fabulous. She's one of our best. So let's talk traders, shall we? Yeah.

Phaedra, they got you, gal. They got you. They got you. But you had a good run and you did what you set out to do, which is betray and make iconic television. And check, check. We got both. We didn't even talk about when Alan asked her who she wanted to recruit.

And she said, Kate. And then she goes, we'll be a murdering duo. I was like, you are enough pickup. No, it didn't get nearly enough pickup,

especially for something that was such a scream. We'll be a murdering duo. I was like, are you? She might be a supervillain. Cast Phaedra in a Disney movie. Pat Carroll. She would be a great evil queen. She would be a great evil queen.

I mean, she's our generation's Pat Carroll. Make her an Ursula-like villain. That's really good. Phaedra Parks is our generation's Pat Carroll. That's actually a real culture number 30. Phaedra Parks is our generation's Pat Carroll. That's actually Rural Culture number 30. Phaedra Parks is our generation's Pat Carroll. Oh, now I'm picturing her doing

Poor Unfortunate Souls. Well, I admit in the past I've been nasty. Okay. They weren't kidding. When they called me a witch. Now, tell us all about this. I still love that for you. Reading last night that you did.

Oh, this was really fun, you guys. So last night in LA, well, Vanessa Bayer had reached out like probably a couple months ago and was like, you know, there's a whole second season of I Love That For You that's written, you know, Sudi Green, Gabe Liedman, so many of our friends wrote on the second season of the show

and they were so excited about it. And it looked like it was going to get picked up. And then the strike, it wasn't. Everything going on in our industry, blah, blah, blah. So it's just like, I don't know where it stands right now. But Vanessa was like, we're all going to get together and just read the first two episodes of season two. The whole cast was there. And

they donated the money to charity. And it was really fun. Kristen Johnston came in and played a guest part. That is maybe the funniest person alive. What a bazooka on stage she is.

Holy fuck. And when I heard she was coming i was like you gotta be kidding me i'm like if there was like a missing element from our show oh that was so it and like it was so much fun when i tell you like the cast crushed because the writers crushed like great audience everyone there loved the show and everyone involved in the show loves doing the show so you never say never it's one of those things I was

really excited about what my character was doing and like what everyone was doing but it's just one of those things you know how it is I will say like it's frustrating like the whole business is frustrating right now. The whole landscape is pretty rotten right now. It's true.

It's pretty bleak. And I think an indicator of that is what this show means to people, and yet how it kind of, it's living in this purgatory right now that it shouldn't be in at all well this is my theory about it all so i feel like people didn't really see it on showtime because it was a very crowded time like do you remember it's so funny to think of a time when there was like so much shit coming out but it was like two years ago. It was like, for some reason from like March to May, like every show came out. Yeah.

Like, and we were part of that. We remember we, we came out in like April or something. I think it was like, there was like an influx of things that came out before the Emmys deadline. And I think we kind of got lost in that because, you know,

just to put it bluntly, like not everyone has showtime. It can be difficult to find, etc. And so it kind of got lost. And then it was frustrating because I felt like in the months since it was out, people were finding it. And they were like, oh my God, we just watched. I love that for you. We love it.

We binged it. I actually think it would have been a better binge show than it was like a week to week show i agree there was just so many things about it like calls about it made that obviously i have nothing to do with that i think could have you know helped it but at the end of the day like it's so good and i just think if anything it should be somewhere for people to find it and that shitty thing happened which is that Showtime and I guess now Paramount Plus with Showtime or whatever the fuck it is

took it down or you know the big big big bosses I guess like did that tax break thing about it and now you can't even see it unless you buy it on iTunes which I recommend everyone do and I just hope the show gets put somewhere where people can find it. Because if people can find it, they're going to like it. Right. Well, guess what I'm doing right now? I am buying season one.

You are? I am going on my Apple TV. And you already have gotten me a gift. It's just such a funny show. You guys, it's Vanessa Bayer, Molly Shannon, Jennifer Lewis, a great cast. I mean, like, it's just so funny. Like, and I'll tell you, this second season that we were reading yesterday

was even funnier and like more compelling than the first season because they found a really interesting way to settle into the workplace dynamic of it all. For people that don't know the show, it's like Vanessa Bayer plays this girl who all she's ever wanted was to work at the workplace dynamic of it all. For people that don't know the show, it's like Vanessa Bayer plays this girl who all she's ever wanted was to work at the Home Shopping Network.

When she was little, she had cancer, which is based on a true story from Vanessa's life. And she survived it by watching the Home Shopping Network. And she gets old enough to audition for it, gets the job, and then fucks it up. And in order to keep her job and prove to them she has an on-air hook and that she's a star and has star quality,

she lies and says she's battling cancer now. So then she, now she has to like keep this lie up. Kind of like me being gay on SNL. Exactly. Like you being gay, like when did you know that it was time for you to come clean? I remember in my screen test,

my wrist kind of got really weak my god i had a really limp wrist and it wasn't for a character from carrying on the prop bag it was the prop bag it was my prop i had so many props i had five duffel bags of props and you have heavy props too oh yeah they're all kettlebells yeah i have kettlebell barista and then i also have kettlebell barista and then I also have kettlebell Korean person, kettlebell Chinese person. So it was all my characters were very kettlebell based and so I just lugged all of those bags onto the stage during my

screen test and my wrist got weak. And then I hear Lorne Michaels in the shadows guffawing. Yeah. And that Lorne laugh. And it was clear to you that what he thought was so funny was that you were a big gay guy. Something flipped. Yes, something flipped where I was like, I guess I got to be a fucking queer.

Lean in like our foremother, Sheryl Sandberg. Sheryl Sandberg. Now, I'm sorry. I interrupted you talking about your amazing show. You did not interrupt me. I was kind of done. Watch I Love sorry, I interrupted you talking about your amazing show. You did not. You did not interrupt me. I was kind of done. Watch I Love That For You however you can. And if you love the show, stay

in line. Stay in line. Can I just quickly say something about Kristen Johnson? Yeah, please. Oh, let's talk about her. A formative comedy moment in The Spy Who Shagged Me. Ivana Humpalot. Forget it. Ivana Humpalot was one of my first formative movie cry laughs. I was like, oh my God, that's the...

Ivana Humpalot was the funniest thing I'd ever seen or heard in my life up until that point. It takes a keen intellect to play chess, Mr. Powers. Yes! Yes! I used to know how to play. That line... Make love to me austin power of it no keen intellect mr powers me and my cousin michael who i've referenced on this podcast

we were like little boys together like watching this movie we also saw mean girls together that was our shit ivana humpalot was our... Ivana Humpalot. Avengers of Kit the Clapper. November 1964. Shit. Oh, my God. I was just talking to our good friend, Cameron Sheets, who's at Queerity now.

Judy! Wait, what'd you say? I said Judy. Whenever you say gay guy, we both know I'm going to say Judy. Judy! I'm going to say Judy. I'm just deciding it right now. Jill Kim Booster. Judy!

He was asking me, I'm promoting Hot White Heist Season 2 on Audible. He goes, what makes a good sequel? I said, oh, I don't know. And then we were talking about what good sequels were. And then his example, his formative example was Austin Powers and the Spy Who Shagged Me. That is like an actually great sequel that is aware of like the already self-referential first like original story, but also then kind of like plays with it in such a funny way. I mean, God, I love that movie so much.

That's an interesting topic. What makes a really amazing sequel? Like what are the rubrics? Like, what are the benchmarks of a great sequel? I guess you want it to feel familiar, but also, like, we're seeing the characters challenged in a new way, and, like, I guess new environments

make a good sequel. Charlie's Angels, Full Throttle. That was just on the other day, actually. Camp classic. I hope everyone realizes now that it's camp. Oh, totally. I think people get it like these women swing from string lights

all the way from Hollywood to a warehouse in downtown LA in a matter of minutes yeah they do in a car chase scene they go from Hollywood Boulevard

to DTLA hilarious camp classic I mean the other day I had it on for like a second and it was the scene where they are like down at the beach

and they're like surfing. And it's like where Demi Moore like first comes in and she like runs over with her surfboard. To Surfer Girl by the Beach Boys. Yeah. Yeah. Just all the choices are so, it's almost like a cartoon. Yeah.

It's so good. I think that people did not. And then I remember the reviews were like, we don't know. Like it was bizarre. Like it seemed like people got the first Charlie's Angels and then willfully didn't get the second one as if it was anything different.

It's like, right. It was just literally like a sequel version of the first one. They gave you more of what you had. And also they plussed it with Demi. I guess that's what it is, right? Like a sequel should just be plussed in a way. But then people don't like that. An audience kind of like sneers at that idea, even though that is what you want. I think people's expectations of sequels are a little bit all over the place. And that's why like there is this disagreement on what

makes a good one. Yeah, I think that's probably true. But that's my first example. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I guess if I had like a favorite sequel of all time. Well, the Austin Powers movies are interesting because like all three of those, I think are like identifiable in their own way. And maybe this is just me being a gay person. And I, by the way, I'm for real gay.

Like, so am I. Okay. Okay. Anyways, we can't get into this. Are you about to say gold members, your favorite? Well, I'm saying that like the thing about the Austin Power trilogy is that they're also identifiable. And I think me, because I'm a gay person,

the thing that does that for me is like Austin's girlfriend. Yes. Like Elizabeth Hurley. Heather Graham. And Beyonce. Like Elizabeth Hurley. Heather Graham. And Beyonce. Like those three couldn't, those are so indicative of what all those movies are

and they bring their own like flavor to it and aesthetic to it to the point where like, you know, you think of Austin Powers, but then he has context because of all these

different women and then therefore these different like vibes, if you would. Mm-hmm. You know? Beyonce and Goldmember is so good producer becca says beyonce's acting era was so special i love gold member i don't think you're alone there becca i think that we might not we may not have seen the end of beyonce's acting era yeah i think this past tense is not quite right. I hope. I pray and I hope. There's something about it that

makes me feel like she at some point may realize if she actually applies herself to whatever she wants, she can conquer it. We're all domination. And it really just depends with Beyonce, I think, on what she wants. Like if she wants to become an incredible actress and then devote herself to that, like she could. I don't put anything past her. I think she's capable of whatever. I mean, the Verizon commercial is something that she did not have to do. It was in her top five best performances, I think.

She was giving grounded comedy, dare I say? She was holding her own with Emmy Award winner Tony Hale, one of the greats. Hale one of the greats he is one of the greats there's no question we're not being facetious here can I say thank God for us because can I say what we're doing today

character actors to the front we are saying Tony Hale, we are saying Kristen Johnston we are saying Beyonce Knowles the three character actors of our generation and thank God on my birthday a character, on my birthday, a character actor. You think you're a character actor? I don't think I'm a leading man.

I think you're leading man material, sir. Girl, you're just too kind. You're the leading man. No, girl. I've been thinking about you a lot lately because I've been trying to think of fun things for us to do in different environments. Oh, interesting. Funny you in different environments. Oh,

interesting. Funny you should say that. Well, more later. Maybe. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. Or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations.

I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine.

I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.

On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wait, so I do want to know about the Sydney Sweeney of it all.

I really do. What was she like? What were vibes? We're of course talking about these little bits and jokes we're doing because Bowen is gay, you guys. Of course. We would not lie to you about that.

No. At least I wouldn't be part of a lie like that. You know what I mean? No, no, no. I would never rope you into that kind of lie. Right. Like, you know, I could be the Robin Tigger Giselle in many ways,

but not for this one. Oh, no. Do not call me Giselle. I am not anywhere near that kind of demonic. She is a succubus. I'm so sorry. There is hell in her soul. Okay, sorry.

Keep going. Okay, well, before we get into the Sidney Sweeney of it all. So Potomac is like ending now. Like it's like wrapping up. And Andy Cohen was on Kelly Clarkson with Wendy and Candace. I watched that. It was delightful. And you know that had to chap the green-eyed bandits' ass

because they were so charming. They were lovely. Like, Candace and Wendy were so great on the show. And I was just like, you know what? Like, maybe this is a sign. This is a way forward, though. I mean, like, they are enough without those women to just, like, hold it down, charm an audience.

Candace had a lovely sense of humor about her social media presence. Wendy was so lovely. Wendy was just being charming, but also very honest about her upbringing, like in the way that she always is. I loved it. I root for those women all the time, as well as Karen.

They were adorable. They were great. And guess who also was on? So it was like Andy was on Kelly and then he brought out Wendy and Candace and then tickled me till I laugh. Yesterday, I'm on YouTube and I see Karen Huger on Kelly Clarkson.

And it was just Karen. She came out, she sat right next to Kelly and they kiki'd. It's just so funny whenever like NBC Universal makes Kelly have a housewife on because you can tell she just doesn't. Has no idea who these people are. It's not her thing.

No problem. Whatever. But it's so funny because Karen was talking like everyone in the audience was a super fan of Potomac. Karen was like, well, you all know my kids are grown now and they're 36 and 26 and Raven. And Kelly is just sitting there like i might be to blame for this yeah like it's just so funny like whenever kelly like you can just tell when she like is really really really a huge fan of something and when she has no idea because she goes like this when she's actually into something she can barely

contain herself and like launches into it and like doesn't ask like how are you she's actually into something, she can barely contain herself and like launches into it and like doesn't ask like, how are you? She's like, I want to talk about this. Yes. And then when she doesn't know what the person is there for or who they are, she'll say to Karen Huger like, so I heard you grew up on a farm. That's so cool. Tell me about that. Listen, I would not be able to do that job. It's hard.

Can we just give some credit? It's a very difficult, like, how do these people rattle off the segment producer's notes? Okay, next you're going to bring up the farm and then you're going to bring up the trip to blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I can't hold all this at once. And also, like, I think about, like, the amount of things they probably are sent to watch.

You know what I mean? We do this show once a week and barely have guests anymore. We still get sent stuff. Well, yeah, but one of the things that I think keeps us from having so many guests is you want to do right by them. We always read the book. We're Sonny Host encoded. We're Sonny Host encoded. But it gets to be a lot even once a week.

Can you imagine every day? And also, some of those shows get shot like two times a day. You know, that's like a lot of media to consume. What we're saying is TV hosts are heroes. And they should be awarded medals by the military, which is the best organization in the world. Oh, they should win the Military Award for Excellence. Military Award for Excellence in TV.

New category just dropped. The Culture Awards. Military Award for Excellence in TV. Now, stay tuned. We have some more information about the Culture Awards this year. Yes, we do. Very excited. We do.

Let's just say, rain, rain, go away. Come again another day. Let's just say we won't have to worry about a thunderstorm warning in New Jersey that would potentially shut down our show. Did we spill the tea about that at the time? I think we did. I think we did. Yeah. We almost didn't do culture awards last year because of a thunderstorm in New Jersey, which is not in Manhattan, but also, I guess it's close enough. People were doing their jobs. People were keeping people safe.

We're not begrudging them of that. No, it was all above board in terms of them being like, hey, we have to go inside because if lightning strikes the stage, y'all are fried to a damn crisp. You're going to be two gay piles of dust. Two gay piles of dust.

Two gay piles of dust. Title of app. Title of app. But what was funny was we were in the middle of rehearsing 8th World Wonder like the seven days and seven nights of the night. They were like, go inside. You're going to get hurt by lightning. And we're like, oh my God, seriously? Okay.

Like the spirits of Kimberly Locke like rumbling in the sky. Kimberly. I think Kimberly saved us that day. the sky. It's like, oh. Kimberly. We thank you. I think Kimberly saved us that day. She did. She did.

I think the gods knew that Eighth World Wonder needed its renaissance. Period. But then what do you make of the Karen and Wendy and Candace on Kelly thing? Does that mean they're going to break? I think Giselle and Robin are probably yelling at someone now at their teams to get them on. I'm just going to say the tea that I heard. Okay. This is the tea that I heard. I'm not going to say how I heard it.

Okay. I heard there was no resolution at the reunion and there needed to be. That's what I heard. I heard that there is no forward movement for the factions that needed to come together and therefore something has to happen. That's the tea that I heard.

Right. And so in that, when I hear that, I go, well, then someone is misunderstanding what it means to be on a show. On the show. On a conflict-driven show like The Housewives where you do have to sort of turn those over. You cannot stay in it too long.

Or it just got too fucking ugly. You know what I mean like because it was ugly to begin with because these are we're dealing with ugly people on one side here's what i'll say even if i'm on a television show i don't know if i go out of my way to forgive someone who so recklessly and this is both on the part of wendy and candace because they both faced this by giselle and and co but anyone who so recklessly tried to not just like come forward but like irrevocably damage my husband or mother in the case of like wendy like i don't know that i just for a show forgive them whereas i don't think

when you flip it around to the other side the things that have been said about like Giselle and Robin like are as damaging and bad but what Giselle is doing now is she's trying to play it like she's been wronged in an equal way and that's incorrect no fucking way oh god I really really

hate that woman you and the word hate I don't apply it to a lot of people. I don't hate people that I come into conflict with. You just couldn't be bothered. I couldn't be bothered.

And I honestly do try to like make, I do what every housewife should do, which is to try to find resolution. Period. Oh, yeah. You know? This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh, my gosh.

Can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing.

You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian

Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger.

I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I mean, while we're, I guess we kind of can't really talk. Can we talk about the drama? There's been a lot of drama. Can you... I know about the Brandy stuff. I was asked. I was honestly asked about this yesterday in press.

Yeah. The Leah stuff. And I was like, this is the God's honest truth. I was like, I did not read the post. I don't exactly know what's going on with the Leah stuff to have an opinion on it. There's like a series of lawsuits right now against Bravo and like all these production companies

and even Andy himself basically coming from all different kinds of places. There's like a legal situation with Liam McSweeney. There's a legal situation with Brandi Glanville. There's a legal situation with Caroline Manzo. There's now a lawsuit from Rachel Levis against Tom Sandoval and Arianna Maddox for revenge porn and like distribution of revenge porn.

There's also obviously like the Bethany Frankel reality reckoning of it all. There was the dropped lawsuit from Nene leaks that alleged racial discrimination. There's a lot going on. And what I'll say is that any single time, and I'll just speak for myself, any single time I have been on watch what happens live involved in anything with any of these companies like when you go and watch what happens live like

there's obviously alcohol right that's like part of it you are asked every time if you want to drink if you'd like another drink you say yes or no they're not like oh it's better if you drink they never say that they never make it seem like you have to do anything we're friends with andy personally i have never ever ever been offered anything like drugs like it's getting crazy to me and a lot of hearsay like her alleging that leah mcsweeney alleges that andy Andy Cohen offers cocaine to housewives and then gives them a better edit if they do it. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, I don't know.

And I will say for myself, the Brandy thing, I'm like reading the details and it seems like, it seems really weird in a legal context how much that holds water. Yeah. Because from what I understand, Brandy is saying that this is sexual harassment, that Andy was like jokingly on a FaceTime with her with Kate. Kate Chastain, yeah. Kate Chastain. What is it like being like? I think what they're saying is that I guess Andy and Kate Chastain

either FaceTimed Brandy or sent her a message. And Andy said in the message, like, Kate and I are having sex tonight and we'll be thinking of you. It's something like that. Like some sort of like joke that, yes, obviously a boss should not make to his employees. Certainly. Right. right and i guess like it is a little bit of like a looser atmosphere because he does play a certain an interesting role in that he is like administrative but also like of the people in a way that's like why they love andy like you know he is among them right but at a certain point

it's like when are we leaning into just things we've had in the past in order to move anything forward? And what is actually harmful here? And let me also say, I don't want any of these women to be in situations where they feel uncomfortable, this low, where they feel uncomfortable, where they feel pressured, et cetera. And I don't know the situations that happen, but it's true what you're saying. When you read what is actually in these lawsuits, I'm actually, I'm struggling to see how

he is responsible for it or how but I guess these facts will come out if there are facts, you know what I mean? Sure, sure. But Brandy is an interesting case, not even interesting, it's like she's on camera like

sexually being a little bit troublesome with her co-stars you know it's like there's documented i mean like there's a case against her for being very inappropriate with her co-workers who have not taken legal action against her yeah the power dynamic is different there obviously because she's not anyone's boss in these situations, and Andy is. But also, I don't know personally, and I have no legal knowledge or experience in this at all, so this is completely disqualifying for me to even have an opinion on this, but like, it's Brandy. It's like, this is someone who is retaliatory and manipulative. And obviously she has her dignity. She's entitled to that dignity, but she is also someone who doesn't care

about other people's in a lot of ways. Well, I feel like what's happening now, actually, is everyone on the cast of this Ultimate Girls Trip show that got shelved, because they shot a whole season in Morocco with Caroline Manzo, Brandi Glanville, Phaedra is on it, Alex McCord, Camille Grammer, like Gretchen Rossi. Like it's like they kind of got the greats for this Morocco girls trip.

And now they're not showing it because allegedly something happened in a bathroom where Carolyn Manzo felt sexually violated and harassed by Brandi. But Carolyn is not suing her. She's suing Bravo, Peacock, I think, like all these administrative, like executive level, because she's saying that what they do is they encourage sexual harassment and abuse for ratings, which to me is like such a big thing to say and like how

do you prove that but i will also say four or five lawsuits is too fucking many yeah and that makes me feel like either there's a problem for sure or this is like orchestrated in a larger way and is like more nefarious. And I do, I think to myself all the time, like, are you trying to protect this thing in your head because it's something you enjoy? In which case, like, get over yourself, check yourself. Like, if there's a problem here, like, see it. Right. But, you know, it's hard to read these allegations and be like, at what point does your personal

responsibility come in here? Like, at what point are you going to take accountability for, I have a problem with alcohol. I know I'm susceptible to these types of things. I shouldn't put myself in a situation that is not good for me. Like, at what point is that? Yeah. And the Leah thing is very complicated because of her own sobriety journey. Right. That kind of seemed to be compromised as soon as she was on Roni.

Right? Yeah. Well, she claims that she relapsed the week she was called. So she relapsed, was called for Roni, said yes, and then as we we know if you're a fan of her first season she was drinking and i remember what i liked about leah mcsweeney the first season she was on housewives is i liked that she seemed like a different flavor of new yorker she seemed

like someone who like said whatever the fuck she wanted to say. She was younger. She seemed like a new generation. I liked the dichotomy between her and the older cast. I liked that she was in fashion. She was cool. She was gorgeous. She was funny. There was a lot about her that I really liked and felt fresh. When I didn't like her was when she acted completely unhinged when she was drunk because she obviously had a problem she's out here saying now that she feels that was what was good about her first season and they held it against her that she stopped drinking i would argue that leah lost me when she went off the deep end and i think a lot of people would say the same thing. Right.

I mean, we obviously have our biases here as we're talking about this and our experience with the Bravoverse and our experiences at Watch What Happens in terms of us being served alcohol is not necessarily... I can't be totally reflective of what these women go through. I am thinking, like, I do kind of think

there's something orchestrated about this on, like, a higher level where, like, maybe a Bethany is, like... That's what I think, too. ...setting this into motion, personally. There's something weird about it because it's coming on the heels of, like, the reality reckoning kind of flopping because she she kind of had nothing whereas like now there's actually there's like

real course of action that's going to be followed what i'll say ultimately is that all these lawsuits kind of drown each other out but ultimately it's it all ends up in something that's like not a good look no of course and therefore like it needs to be looked at. It needs to be like figured out because you just don't want people feeling like this. No. And if people feel like this and it's not in bad faith, then there's an issue. But like, I just want to be able to watch these shows and know that everyone's safe doing it. But then again, it is reality TV.

And that is also a thing. It's like, can you trust someone like rachel levis to put herself in a safe situation i don't know like she may not know what that is and therefore it's like it does feel a little ugly and one thing i'll say is i was watching the beverly hills reunion last week and um anna marie who I didn't love on the show, but was sitting there and she was talking about how as a result of being on the show, it was the worst, hardest year of her life. And so many things happened and she felt really depleted and looked broken. And he asked about the online reaction to her and something about the way that she energetically was at that reunion based around like the online harassment she had faced made me feel like something's wrong here. Something doesn't feel right. Yeah. Like I felt really sad and I was like, Oh,

am I going to have to take a little bit of a break from this stuff? Because I also saw what you posted yesterday on your story. And that made me think too about like when you talk about that, I posted a reel from a podcast deluxe, wonderful podcast. John Karamanicka was talking about how he is not really okay with TikTok anymore because it's like, to be served an endless scroll of things that the algorithm thinks you like is soul-detoning. It's not actually giving you the grist, I guess, or whatever.

There's a better word. It's not giving you the material you need to be consuming in order to be a human being. It kills a part of you to only see things constantly over and over again that are meant to be for you and yet sometimes aren't and sometimes they're upsetting and sometimes it's i mean like that's just like social media writ small i guess is like this idea that it is i mean all these apps that we're using now this is not exactly what you're talking about with housewives and bravo but it's like everything we're being served now is like it's like we're at the shopping mall it's like yeah and a lot of people who are creators do come off as like qvc people speaking of i love that for you like come off as like infomercially and like

you kind of have to rethink this whole thing of like oh i am just it's like sudi green telling you in college like look at the peps look at the coke cans or whatever it's like but it's like now the pepsi cans are like right in our faces, you know? They're being shoved in our faces. And that's how like transparent it's gotten. I think what makes it hard to see is that the Pepsi cans are always in your faces. And sometimes they change. And sometimes it's just hard to look at your environment and be like, wait, hold on.

And I think like it was during that Beverly Hills reunion that I was just like, hold on. Am I desensitized a little bit because I keep watching these shows and I'm so used to conflict. That's like a white noise for me in the background. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, would I even be able to see it if something was wrong? And I was sitting there watching her and I was like, again, like I wasn't a huge fan of her performance on the first season, but I'm watching it and I'm just like, am I in this atmosphere too much at this point? Like, is it a little oversaturated? Like, did we fly too close to the sun with this for now? And so I might just like take a little bit of a break. That's healthy. That's healthy. Even listening to myself talk right now, I'm like hearing myself say like, you know, like, you know,

we don't want these women to be in dangerous positions, but also like, I don't want to get like, what did they expect? Like that's gross. No, no, no. We're not saying that. And us even talking about this is a little, is not us like questioning like anything about what legal action they're taking. We're just saying that like, this is a really... This is a hugely entangled situation that has a lot going on and has people's humanity and dignity, like, ripped into it. And, like, are these kinds

of shows, like... I think knowingly, I think we all understand that these shows kind of exploit that on some level. And that's not, like, us, like, defying whatever the mission of these shows are. I think that is just kind of worked into reality TV as a whole, as a collective. Even if you go on Survivor or on The Traitors, there's a dignity that is a little bit at toll there.

Absolutely. I mean, if someone were to say something crazy about you, and it was damaging, but could also be used as story like they would do that because you've allowed them to do that you've willfully signed up for that which is why like you wouldn't do a show like that because like for example like let's just say bowen and i actually were reached out to about the traders. Like, would it be in our best interest to say, yes, here are our images, do with them what you want? No, it wouldn't be in our best interest. But for some people, they make a different decision.

Like, I've even had pretty brain scrambling experiences working at my job where I am like presenting a version of myself to people to be evaluated and to be like commented on and like I roll at this but like I'm really lucky and proud and happy that Bowen Straight got made as a way of sort of like winking at the audience and as a way of kind of like making light of this, like this really confounding thing that I think people have with me being a gay man, like them kind of ascribing that as like a character choice that like, it's all I can do.

And I'm like, no, you guys don't get it. Like, I don't think there's such a thing as like gay humor. I don't think there's like, I don't think gay humor is specific to queer people or queer humor is specific to queer people. It should be, if it's good, it should be for everybody. But I think in terms of subject matter, I love writing about queer things. And I like writing about sexuality.

I like writing about finding the different ways in. Like it's Truman Capote being a gay man who hates women talking about women, or it's me being straight, or it's me being like a pop star iceberg or whatever. It's like there are all these different ways in and yet people still create a dimensionless point out of that and go, well, that's just like a bad part of who he is. And like that is something that like is completely soul crushing in its own way. If you're any version of yourself on a TV show or putting yourself out there for mass consumption. These women experience it on such a

weird, distorted scale. Anytime we go and watch what happens, we're all like, whoa! The people who talk about us are some real fucking weirdos. I'm sorry to say, some weird fucking people are out there. We just deal with them once every few months.

These are people who deal with them every day every week right and i can't imagine what that does to their psyche and or how that informs their relationship with the network or with the shows that they're on with their jobs with their life i mean like what i said yesterday in press was like all i can say is like let's not forget that this is people's jobs and this kind of like is in the air for them. So I don't really know exactly what's happening with everybody, but it seems like let's just remember that as we talk about it.

Anyway, that was kind of a good pop out answer. But I will say, I do feel that if Andy Cohen were to offer two people cocaine, it would be us and he hasn't. I was like, I was thinking about it. I'm like, we have such a blast at that show. Whenever we're on, it feels like family vibes.

And then I just feel like, who's he offering cocaine to if not us? Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah, well. Hell of a drug. Also, if you've been offered cocaine, oh, but Leah's saying she's been offered cocaine.

This doesn't make any sense. Well, saying, like, she's been offered cocaine. This doesn't make any sense. Well, Leah's saying that she's been offered cocaine and that if she doesn't accept, then she gets a bad edit. She'll get a worse edit on the show. That is, can I say, I like Leah. I've talked to her a couple times personally. I actually like her a lot more in my personal interactions with her than I ever really did on the show.

I don't think that could possibly make sense at all. So what if we're walking this through? This is the, I guess, premise here. Andy Cohen loves cocaine so much, you're saying, and needs people around him that are his subordinates to also like cocaine so much that if they don't, he actively punishes them despite the fact that maybe

that won't produce the best show. That doesn't make any sense to me. I also don't think he is editing the show. He's not contacting the editors and being like, hey, listen, we need so-and-so to get a bad edit. Oh, why?

Well, they didn't do coke with me? That doesn't make any sense. Andy Cohen is the kind of person, he's wealthy enough, he's connected enough, he can get coke. He can find people to do coke with me? That doesn't make any sense. Andy Cohen is the kind of person, he's wealthy enough, he's connected enough, he can get coke. He can find people to do coke with. He doesn't need your housewives

to be doing cocaine with him. And he's not going to punish you for not doing it. I don't think this is a thing. It just doesn't actually make sense. I can understand the idea that like, she feels that cocaine is very much in the culture of these shows on a sort of

behind-the-scenes level. But like, I don't know. It calls back to that Kathy Griffin thing, because remember she was like, oh, one time he asked me to do coke before a show, and I was so taken aback. And it was like, it feels like it's been said once before.

But it almost feels like because it was said that one time, it's being thrown out there again as like an additive thing to throw on the pile of like toxic workplace atmosphere. Right. But again, like when you actually think it through logically, that doesn't make sense. Yeah. And cocaine is everywhere.

Everyone take a break from cocaine for a little bit too. Well, yeah. Let's just nobody do it. How about that? The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started

with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Let's talk about Drag Race. Who do you like? Who do I like? Like Plain Jane? No, I think I've gone on record saying I'm pretty anti-Plain Jane. I'm sorry. I like Plain Jane as a drag queen.

It's just all the other stuff. I'm like, girl, relax. Lovely drag queen. Very capable drag queen. Relax. Just relax. And actually, you're just being mean and not even like, this is not the right word. And I hate that I'm using this word.

You're not being witty, which is to say that like, you're not being fun about it. She thinks she is. And I think that that's all coming from an insecurity that she's expressed that she has, which join the fucking club of humanity. Like, I might do my own thing on people saying they're insecure and feeling that that is unique.

Like, we're all insecure. Yeah. I don't care. Yeah. Sorry, I was a vicious evil person. I'm just insecure. Sorry, I was a vicious evil person. I'm just insecure. Sorry. I was a vicious evil person who like diminished your humanity because I experienced something universal that doesn't give you a way out. Anyway.

I mean the Boston thing, the Russian thing, I know Katya is not Russian, but like, it's just, I'm sorry. Like I can't, it's only giving an echo of Katya to me. And she is one of our greatest, our greatest period ever, ever. I didn't think that's only giving an echo of Katya to me. And she is one of our greatest. Ever. Our greatest period. Ever, ever. I didn't think that Snatch Game performance was that. Although I guess it was the best out of all of them. That was a pretty rough Snatch Game, I will say. Yeah.

I don't think it was one of the shining Snatch Games. And we're saying this as people who are, at this point, we are aware every season going into Snatch Game, the expectations are not high. Yeah. Because that's what Snatch Game does, is it makes you, gets you all excited to like, but it's, I mean, not all of them can be like All-Star 7,

like where that was just like across the board, everyone being amazing. We've also seen how the sausage is made now. And it's like interesting to see how Snatch Game shakes out. And it's fucking hard. It's so hard. and especially if that's not what your thing is i don't know that i could do it like and it feels like that these girls like that's not really their thing like everyone's like oh i can't believe a third design challenge

it's like did you want a third performance challenge is that what you wanted like based on what we have seen right did you want another performance or acting challenge or whatever it is like i think it's good they're obviously leaning into like what these girls are good at and we saw plasma like win all these performance challenges and do great like i feel like we've seen the excellence in terms of performance i think we've seen and now it's like you know we're looking at what we have here and it's like i think the more compelling challenges will be designed in fashion challenges because of these girls interesting i said to you yesterday on instagram or the other day sorry two days ago on our live that plasma i think should be so proud she yeah turned it out

she showcased what she is amazing at and she is amazing at it which is all the performance stuff gave like a fresh updated version of like what a vintage queen quote unquote is. Like was giving you drinks kind of in an updated way. Yeah, I really enjoyed her. Best of luck to her. She will be fine. Yeah. She was definitely in the bottom two and lost the lip sync for sure.

Yeah. I mean, so people being like, I can't believe Plasma is out. It's like, guys, like she was for sure in the bottom two and she lost the lip sync for sure. I mean, so people being like, I can't believe Plasma is out. It's like, guys, like she was for sure in the bottom two and she lost the lip sync. Yes. That's how it works.

I think we were just like conditioned in the edit to think that she was going to be top four because she was such, she was by far the most reliable narrator. They were cutting to her

talking head the most, I think. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I will say, I think that's because there are only a few super compelling narrators. Yes. This year, I think she's one of them and Plain Jane is one of them. And I think Plain Jane's edit really kind of took over the first third of the season. And so they moved it to Plasma, spent a lot of time with her and now she's gone. So

I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of Plane again because, again, these girls are like introspective fashion girls. It's almost like season 70 in a way. You know what I mean? It feels like these people are more creative than they are performative.

Which is so funny. I want to know what you think about, because everyone was talking about how this goth, high fashion goth challenge, the design challenge, people were like pretty up in arms on a couple of group chats I was on that Nymphia didn't win that.

And I was interested about your take on the Nymphia versus Q of it all. I think, was Q's second win? I think, has Nymphia versus Q of it all? I think... Was this Q's second win? I think, has Nymphia already won two? I think that that's just, like, a production thing where they're like, let's try to make this more even. I liked Q's look a lot. Like, that back detail was great.

I thought it was definitely the winner, hands down. I thought so. What, Q's? Yeah. Yeah, and now Q, like, took down her socials, which I guess is not as much of, like, a... That's insane but also like I can relate to this like at a certain point you just hit you hit your break

and you're just like I don't know not that she took it down the fact that she felt so abused or like exposed that she had to take it down like right right I've only taken my stuff down I've only Selena Gomez when I'm just like, oh, I internally, it's not because of any external circumstance. It's just that I'm like, I don't want to deal with this. I don't want to exist out there for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe she was going through some of that. I don't know. Sure. I mean, whatever anyone feels like they need to do, they should do. But I just feel like when I hear that someone had to do that, I would imagine it's because they're being like toxically abused online, which especially on Drag Race, which is another thing of like, oh, God, like when we were on All Stars, it was this like a few days of just

like the weirdest fucking people being like up in our shit. And I was like, shut the fuck up. Get out of my face. I'm so sick of some of these people. Most of it was lovely. And most of it always is lovely. And then there is those little things. Like even the other day, like someone got in my DMs and said this long thing that like, they were so specifically angry at me

for something I had no idea what they were talking about. And I'm just like, I was at dinner with a friend. I was with Jared actually. And I was like, oh God, I'm so distracted by this thing. And he's like, and he picks up my phone and he's like, ugh. I was at dinner with a friend. I was with Jared, actually. And I was like, oh, God, I'm so distracted by this thing. And he's like, and he picks up my phone, and he's like, this is not real.

This doesn't matter. And I was like, yeah, you're right. You need to watch Perfect Blue by Satoshi Kon tonight. Well, there's a lot on my list, honey. I got to watch Irish Wish, the movie with Lindsay Lohan. Oh, my Lindsay. Oh, my Lindsay. Oh, my Lindsay.

She's back again. Whenever Lindsay Lohan? Oh my Lindsay. Oh my Lindsay. Oh my Lindsay. She's back again. Whenever Lindsay Lohan makes a comeback, I always feel like on top of the world. On top of the world. You know, Lindsay is on my list of this is so annoying, of women I stan who have followed and then unfollowed me

on Instagram. Really? You want to know this list? It's kind of sad. Lindsay Lohan, Natalie Portman. Natalie unfollowed? Natalie. I think she did like a big purge, like a deep clean on her follows. And I didn't make the cut.

She said Bo and Yang. But Natalie was, I'm sorry. Natalie was a reliable like for me sometimes on grid. And then she just. And then one day I think she was just like, no, no more. Natalie Portman feels to me like someone we could get on the show

and confront about this. No, I don't want to confront her. Oh, she follows 199 people. I know, I think she did take the numbers down. I think she was in the four digits, and then she was like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm Natalie Portman. I'm not doing that.

Here's who we both follow. Rihanna. Mm-hmm. That's it. Period. End of list. Rihanna, and then I think it's Drew Barrymore. Of course. Oh, my God. Yeah. She's exclusive, girl. I mean, Natalie Portman should be exclusive, girl. She's Miss Dior, for Christ's sakes.

She's Padme. Padme, yes. I was going to correct you and say Padma, but no, you're right. Why would you correct me and say Padma when it's not? When it's not. Oh, I was going to say earlier, I mean, best sequel of all time is Empire Strikes Back. Attack of the Clones.

Attack of the Clones. I mean, those aliens for Boba Fett. Yeah. Right? Was it Boba? Boba. Those tall, those aliens for Boba Fett. Yeah. Right? Was it Boba? Boba. Those tall, skinny aliens who introduce Obi-Wan to Boba Fett. You are talking right now, and I'm ready to do my I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay.

This is I Don't Think So, Honey, where we take one minute to go off against something in culture that's really chapping our asses. Matt, are you ready? Yeah. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think somebody's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Boba Fett, you're a fucking bitch. You have no friends. You obviously never went to therapy. You didn't get your fucking stuff together because now

you're out here like, what, working for people doing their dirty work to be a bounty hunter? I hope that you look at your fucking CV, your LinkedIn, you see bounty hunter on it and you feel fucking good at night, bitch. You are so lame. What a toxic, disgusting life that you live, trolling the galaxy,

looking space planet to space planet for, like, what? To arrest people? Do a citizen's arrest on people? You don't even know what these people have done. You have no idea why you want Han Solo. You don't even know why you want him. So why are you ruining lives? Why are you ruining a young relationship?

Just for someone else's bullshit. You work with Siths. You work with Siths, bitch. I don't think so, honey. You're disgusting. Show your fucking face. How about that? For once in your life, Boba Fett, show your face challenge.

You died the way you deserve to die in the belly of the Sarlacc. Fuck you. I don't think so, honey. That's one minute. Boba, I'm sorry. Boba Fett was going after Han Solo. I have to correct myself. Jango Fett is his father

who was in Attack of the Clones. And Jango Fett was, yes, was Attack of the Clones. I just had to correct myself. Thank you for that impassion. Well, I absolutely just read his son the house down. I don't know. I just don't want to see Bobaassion. Well, I absolutely just read his son the house down. I don't know.

I just don't want to see him over fat. Like, I'm so disgusted. No, I don't think you have to worry about him. Oh, yeah. What do you think about the Mandalorian? He has his helmet. Here's the thing. If Pedro Pascal is going to be the star of something,

I want to see that face. I want to see the face. I want to see the bridge of that nose. Like, I can't believe my guy is so covered up in the show when you realize what exactly is happening underneath the mask. Perfection. Clark Gable.

I almost just said something really graphic about what I would like to do with Pedro Pascal, and we have to move on. Okay. I was getting horny on my birthday. Guess we're going to have to fight. It's about to be a what? A girl fight?

Gay fight. Gay fight. Should the title of the episode be Gay Fight? One word, Gay Fight? No, we should come up with a song called Gay Fight. It should be the sequel to Altercation. Oh, Altercation. About to be an altercation.

About to fight with every nation. It's kind of Rihanna coded. Sort of. But I do think the title of episode now is Gay Fight. Gay Fight. Okay. Bowen Yang, do you have an I Don't Think So Honey to do? I did.

I think I'm just going to follow through on what I said earlier. Because this is really, this kind of, this pisses me off, this shit. Fuck. All right. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. Oh, I'm insecure

and that's why I did a bad thing. We're all insecure. No one is not insecure. Maybe your grandmother who fucking survived a terrible societal trauma from decades ago and has had to be so resilient that she has

no time to think about like where she fits into society. But even and especially the fucking fitness people who are like getting fucked every which way every day of the week who go, well, I'm toxic. I'm not saying all fitness people are toxic, but I'm saying the ones who are like who happen to be like rotten packages are like, oh, but I'm insecure. I'm not saying all fitness people are toxic, but I'm saying the ones who are like, who happen to be like rotten packages are like, oh, but I'm insecure. I'm actually insecure. 15 seconds. Yeah, I know that, hun.

That is the human condition, baby. Rejection is universal as well. We've just experienced it on different scales and different levels and different forms. Don't use that as a way to act out and act on right. And that's one minute. It's true.

It's I'm insecure is not like a big reveal. No, like, like, I'm so sorry. The reason why I did that actually is because I'm insecure. It's like, it doesn't give you new dimension. It doesn't give you an extra access. So that's why when someone like plain Jane is like, I'm actually really insecure. I'm like, well, I don't fucking care. Stop being a fucking cunt.

In the words of the managers for a meeting. My thing is like, too, it's like when someone's like, I'm really insecure. I feel like that's because they're like taking advantage of like a coddle culture and like an awareness of mental health culture, which is really necessary.

But then they're just like, but then they're using that and exploiting that to like get away with really necessary, but then they're just like using that and exploiting that to like get away with really shitty, toxic, harmful behavior because they think they can say this thing that is now universal. It's like a get out of jail free card. Oh, but mental illness.

Like, yes, people are actually mentally ill. Right. And you might be as well on some level, but we have to figure out what is acceptable. What if Plain Jane was like, I'm really sorry I've been so mean. I'm incredibly mentally ill. Then you should not be on this television show.

I also bet that like, well, again, there's the editing of it all, which like, blame it on the edit. but like, that is also a thing. For playing? No, I'm saying like for anyone that's on reality TV. It's like, yes, it's an excuse, sure, but it's also real. I mean, like you are being edited into a caricature of yourself to suit a narrative purpose. Like that is true. Like, I can't imagine, like,

I actually would wonder, like, these villains on these shows, like, do they sit back and they are like, wow, look at me, I'm a really effective function on this show? Or is it, I fucking hate myself, I can't believe this? Or is it kind of both?

I don't know. That's why, like, the Tiffany Pollards of the world are really special, because, like, not once was she like, I'm sorry, I'm such a bitch. I am... I'm insecure.

She owned it. She's owned it every single moment she's been on camera. Yeah. And Tiffany Pollard would be like, I'm incredibly secure. Period.

Too secure. Too secure. The only person who broke Tiffany Pollard was Rain on season one of flavor of love who freaked out at her in the van and you should go back and watch that episode because it is incredible and rain was the one in the back of the van who was like i am sick of your shit i am sick of your shit and then new york starts crying because like she doesn't know why this

girl is freaking out at her but it's because she's been mean. Yeah, taste of her own medicine. Well, that's, I guess, how you ultimately, like, deal with someone whose MO is chaos, is you just bring more chaos. You just bring more chaos for a moment. Yeah. And then you pull back because you cannot actually stay at their level

and their frequency because then you go crazy. Actually, the definition of chaos. Right. Going all the way and then taking all that. Like, that's chaotic. You know what I mean? Like, having an explosive moment and then being like, never mind.

Like, that is chaotic to me. No, no, no, that's me. I'm saying as a way to manage someone else's chaos. Don't, don't. Don't? You're calling me chaotic? Do I think you're chaotic? Hmm.

I don't know that you want to. Don't go down this path. I would say I'm more chaotic than you. Absolutely. You really were confident about that. And that's why we love you. And that's why I love you so much. I'm so happy that you are in all of our lives.

We are so lucky to know you and to love you. Happy birthday, my queen. Can I get a birthday wish? Yes. I want you to sing me my favorite song. We end every episode with a song. I want you to sing me my favorite song. And I just for once get to sit back and enjoy the singing.

Am I supposed to know what your favorite song is? Yeah. You have so many. What is it? Bone, what's my favorite song? I don't know. Single Soon. What is it?

Selena Gomez. Single Soon. Okay. I'm picking out this dress. I'm dying on these shoes. Because I'll be Single Soon. I'll. Yes. Because I'll be single soon. Yes. I'll be single soon.

No, I'll be a mess. Yes. But I'll break the news. Because I'll be single soon. I'll be single soon. My favorite part. Here we go. I'm a day if I wanna.

I had to sing a lot. Day I late if I wanna. I'm a do what I wanna do. To hear more of that song, listen to Single Soon by Selena Gomez. That was so good, Mo. Thank you. Happy birthday to me. Happy birthday.

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