Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "God's Plan" (w/ Alaska Thunderfuck & Willam Belli)

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Fresh off an explosive night at Wigstock, Alaska Thunderfuck and Willam Belli (RuPaul’s Drag Race, Race Chaser podcast) join Matt & Bowen to spill behind-the-scenes T from RuPaul’s Drag Race Seasons 4 & 5 and discuss the upcoming All Stars 4! Plus, Willam gives listeners a little taste of what it was like to work with Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper on A Star Is Born, Alaska discusses being influenced by Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman from Batman Returns, and Drag legend Jackie Beat crashes the studio!---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasLAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And I'm furious at you. Why?

What happened? You know why. I truly don't. If you see the title of this episode, you know that Alaska and Willamette, we'll bring them in in a second. They're going to keep their mouth shut for right now because right now I have to talk to you. Okay.

Because you said hi with six passive aggressive eyes and then said, are you coming to the studio today? Like I would ever miss this. Because I saw you tweeting about your dad. Like some folks see anecdote about my dad said this as i went into the shower and i was like oh is he still on long island god coming in for this alaska willem episode god forbid i go home on labor day which of course celebrates work to go celebrate these days off with my beloved family god forbid god forbid god and my sister and her

and her lovely boyfriend peter we have back-to-back bookings and i just wanted to make sure that you weren't gonna leave me no i wouldn't miss this for the world this is uh this is truly a big one this would you consider yourself a race chaser i'm a race chaser i love i could be a race chaser for the right girl i'm a race chaser for all the girls okay bitch every girl every every girl i would fuck you think every single one i'm gonna i'm gonna do you're getting the awkward eye i'm getting the williams williams furious williams leaving okay well william doesn't consent so that's fine so then williams off the list but i mean every girl someone out there someone out there is enough of a race i'm in you would name all of them i mean you would fuck all of them

i would fuck all of them but i'm saying someone out there is actually like hell bent on doing that you think that there's someone that's got a list oh yeah well let me let's bring them in so that we can okay what are their shared credits i mean well i where do you even start the recording artists they're authors they're well they're the host of race Chaser on this very network. Okay, let's fucking, you know, get, let's, let's, HPA is here right now, not HPJ. HPA, Hopper is where Alex is here. So we should satisfy that requirement and say that they host the podcast Race Chaser on the Forever Dog Podcast Network. Yes, each episode they dig into the behind the scenes, starting from season one, episode one of RuPaul's Drag Race. To get into the tea, the production teas.

The production teas. I couldn't come up with a better term. Season four of Drag Race, honey. Season five of Drag Race, honey. All-stars to Drag Race. Bitch, like, I mean, and they just killed at Wigstock last night. Were you there?

No. We weren't there, but we assume you did kill. We saw some Instagram videos. We saw Instagram. Huh, huh. Anyway, it's our pleasure. We weren't there, but we assume you did kill. We saw some Instagram videos. Huh. Anyway, it's our pleasure. I was at home on Labor Day with my beloved family.

I have to also say I'm very excited to get into one of our guests today is going to be in the motion picture event of the year. Oh, absolutely. And we're going to be talking about it. And she books and she famously books. And she famously books. Please welcome Alaska Thunderfuck and she famously books. And she famously books. Please welcome

Alaska Thunderfuck and Willem Belli. Is it Belli or Belli? It's Belli, but I don't correct people anymore as long as they're right on the check. There you go. We will be writing a chat. No, you're not getting fucking paid for this. Bitch, I want a Venmo. Now.

Now? How much? Four dollars. I'm doing it. I want you to test now. Now? How much? Four dollars. I'm doing it. Bowen can afford it. What's your handle? I want you to task rabbit it to me. Okay. Oh, wait.

Did you get a task rabbit for this hoverboard situation? What happened? Fuck that task rabbit. It didn't work. I just shoved it in an Uber and told the driver. They said, you need to maybe want to reformulate your task. Seems a little hard. I said, I wanted a bag of clothes dropped off in Manhattan and a hoverboard dropped off

in Brooklyn. How hard is fucking that? Well, hard. Hard. It's hard. Where the fuck do you find a hoverboard and why do you need that? She had it here. She just needed it to be brought from here to there. It's like the easiest task.

People build shelves and stuff. That's true. I mean, I just feel like, you know, building a shelf that's straightforward. Is hoverboard like your preferred method of travel? No, you wanted it for a show. Oh. That's what I assumed. I saw Willem put this ask out on Insta.

Yeah, because usually people are nice and they let me borrow them but they're illegal in New York now, I guess. Oh. They're pedestrian houses. Yeah.

Willem, I can't find you on Venmo. Oh, I'm kidding. I hate you. I hate you. Fuck. I was going to do it. What emoji were you

going to put it at? A little like microphone? A little microphone. Maybe like a little grassed hill. Because Willem spent the night in a green space yesterday. Oh yeah, I fucked some guy in a park. Great.

This was like not a Grindr situation, was it? No, I knew him. Oh, you knew him. There were so many great dancers at Wigstock. Why not fuck some of them? Right, right, right. But this was one you knew beforehand. Oh no, you just didn't meet through the apps.

Oh, he knew my hand. He knew your hand. Willem is good with these assists that you don't even know you're throwing at him. This is a pro. This is a pro. This is a pro.

Okay, wow. Should we just start? I'm a pro. I'm a pro. I'm a pro. Professional. She's not. Wait, is that Alyssa or Shangela?

That would be Shangela. Oh, Shangela is. I thought you were talking about Alyssa. Do we not? Is Alyssa not a professional? I heard she's quite late. She's late for everything. is that Alyssa or Shangela? That would be Shangela. Oh, Shangela is. I thought you were talking about Alyssa. Is Alyssa not a professional? She's late for everything. And it's rude to people. People's time is worth something. And if you're late, I'm sorry.

Fuck that. It shows disrespect for other people and their schedules. And, you know, yeah, great performer. I can't wait to see your Netflix show. But be respectful of your other fucking people in the dressing room. Fuck you, bitch. Sure. So here we go.

We're getting into it already. Don't hold up my day and the fans. Don't say, oh, the meet and greets after the show now instead of before when there's a venue curfew

at the club and the promoter has to eat that and she doesn't give a fuck. She missed flights. Fuck her. Has she always been like that? No, yeah, but before I used to like her.

Now I don't. Now you don't like her? No, fuck her. Do you not like her because of what you're saying? I don't like her because she got in a fight with me and she accused my friend

of filming her in a dressing room when he was playing a pokemon game she's like i don't trust you or none of your homies he's probably filming right now and i was like how dare you i grabbed his phone i was like camera roll nothing he's playing pokemon she's like well i don't trust you or none of y'all yeah i'm just an asset and i was like oh you saw my tweet where i said you're an asset to world of wonder and that's the only reason you tied that one lip sync with roxy when roxy should have won for whip my hair because they were pushing you through and that's fine they were pushing through a great investment she's talented she's funny she's got that it factor but i have this feeling about her where i'm like if you're not respectful of the other people in the industry

fuck you girl yeah and i did say an asset is not a bad thing it's just a technical thing she is an asset they put a lot of money into her they They got her on show. Digital assets, likeness, future, royalties. I'm going to send you to sign this NDA real quick. That's my feelings on her. I don't mind pulling straws because everybody knows it's true. She's late and we all don't talk about it because she still sells tickets.

She's a great performer. Love her. She is a fucking beast performer. You said you love her as a performer but disrespectful as a person. And you did say that you hate me earlier. Yeah, because you're disrespectful. Because I am disrespectful. You're incredibly disrespectful to me.

In my time. Okay, so here's the thing. Courtney? Courtney? I'm Courtney Act. No, Courtney, you could never be. No, what is that?

A read on me or a read on her? Do you do whistle tones? I'm a better singer than Courtney. You've got a four octave range. I have a four octave range. How long have you been castrated? 24 hours. I'm looking at my Starsborne reviews.

Alaska's doing a whistle tone. Okay, wait. We're not getting into Starsborne. Right now, the whistle's being blown on Alyssa Edwards. The whistle tone is being blown. There you go. Cute, Courtney. So wait, this is interesting to me, though, that you guys host this podcast together because we have,

for all intents and purposes, pretty much the straight-A student of Drag Race. The golden child. Thank you so much. No, not you, bitch. Fuck you, Willem. Fuck you. Fuck my drag. But you, like... They talk about... no not you bitch fuck you fuck my drag but you like they talk about you're like the LeBron James of drag race

in many ways for all the straight listeners oh I like that that means you're from Cleveland darling whenever I've had like when we had you guys on Clusterfest the people that didn't watch drag race they wanted to know like what the situation was with like alaska and

jinx being there i was like alaska is like the lebron james of rupaul's drag race and they were like oh not just she's crossed over now she's on sharknado she's on um she's the lebron dream she's on scared straight she's done all the reality shows she's scared straight she's the new you i used to do all the realities you're gonna do star you're gonna do star is born too oh my gosh um and then star is dead star is dead yeah and then and then willem is like one of the most memorable contestants ever and but it's interesting that they're that you guys are doing this together where you're like oh you are whistleblowing in this way that is refreshing and necessary and wonderful but like what if what a fun tension i'm shit starring i mean right she's the bad girl

and i'm the good girl and yeah that that give and take i think is important to like why the show is exciting yeah i listen to it do you guys listen to your own podcast well i listen back to make sure that we don't say anything to listen to my own podcast how dare you no i i'm like you i listen to it. I'm like you. I listen to it. You listen? I listen every now and then. Fuck you too. I can't win. He's shit stirring right now.

Shit stirring with me. Shit stirring with him. I'm surprised he's talking to you. That I'm talking to him? After your behavior this week, shut the fuck up. Shut it up. Have you ever seen

Glamorous Monique do Alexa? Oh my God. It's the best thing ever. I will show it to you after this. You will die. Glamorous Monique do Alexa? Oh my God. It's the best thing ever. I will show it to you after this. You will die. Glamorous Monique doing Alexa. Okay. I'm not going to talk to you.

I don't know what you should have realized. Oh my God. Wait, let me ask you because there's been some rumors. Let's call them rumors. Is there any conjecture? About All Stars 4. This is conjecture. Has it been filmed?

I haven't heard of that you don't don't choose now to stop wait what did I do just like I don't know you're being willfully

obtuse you're being willfully obtuse are you calling me a polygon yes you are an angle it's actually rule of culture number 14

Willem is a polygon what number was that number 2 14 14 okay first of all Kelly Jo who Kelly Briscoe who's who the fuck is Kelly

she runs this fan twitter account for the podcast rules of culture we just make them up on the fly but she we're at 14.5 right now I believe there's been 5 rule number 14 I always say rule number 14 don't I that's your default number okay well anyway so good note for me is there a math quiz after this I'm so no bitch no bitch okay so what do you want to ask william about oh okay

so listen all right if we go on to reddit and if we go on to youtube and those those things that they're telling us can we find the truth out there um are those things reliable as they stand right now no no no no anytime you watch those YouTube clips that are like, season 11 confirmed. Spoilers confirmed. It's that iMovie stock music. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, I can tell you for sure that. The rectangles.

Yeah. Yeah. The striped rectangles. Confirmed. Her social media stopped for two weeks. Gia Gunn hasn't been seen in years. They're always wrong. Season six, they said Bianca went home first.

That was all the rumors. And that was an incorrect rumor, wasn't it? It was very incorrect. What were you about to say? I forget. You started twice, bitch. Oh, if you want to know the real two, you have to get in a group message with

me god um alaska's boyfriend alaska's not in it and um a couturier to the stars who shall remain nameless ah isaac mizrahi i love him he gave me a dress once he's so nice um i think that uh reddit is sometimes right sometimes wrong but they do but they do get whiffs of things. My rule is to not spoil anyone else's success or downfall. I'll take down my career but nobody else's. But this year on All

Stars, I am offended that they did do something that directly copies a project I just did last year with two of my best friends. And you'll see what it is. It's a girl group challenge. I was just in a girl group. And it's about a certain beloved member of Drag Race. And I was like, they're going to do that right after us.

Good luck. I mean, good luck, bitch, because we slayed that. The video was sickening. The song was sickening. We looked like blonde slut angels from fucking Satan's little backyard. I love that. We were gorgeous. I know because the outfits were mostly mine.

There you go. We looked lovely. And they ripped it off? They didn't rip it off. Great minds think alike. But I was like, that's really close to our idea, guys. Get your own content. I'm right across the street.

I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad. I'm going to wait to see it. Sure, maybe they'll cut it. Before I make a judgment. Maybe they'll reshoot that episode. Oh. So where do you guys get that tea?

Like the girls come back and they say, this is what happened? Huh? No. I don't know what you're talking about. know no there's an underground railroad between world of wonder in my home i see that's gorgeous um okay well then and this is not like a question that i'm asking i have okay beautiful this is not a question i'm asking as a way to be like so there's gotcha there's nothing to that thing of you posting on twitter about them uh see that's why i asked what i said i was was like, what did I specifically say? How can I respond to it? I don't know. Maybe it had to do with Valentina.

I don't even... Stop it. I don't even know what you're talking about. You're about to ruin it for me. You don't follow me? I just did a product campaign with Sarah Paulson. You don't follow me? She said that to Katya. It was so funny. She said, what?

Violet was talking to Katya on Fashion Photo Review. They were filling in. And Sarah Paulson came up and Violet was like, oh, yeah, I just did a product campaign with her. And Katya looked at her, gave her an up-down, and she went, what? And Violet went, do you not follow me? And it was just so strange i was like no violet sorry i don't follow her i don't know wow i don't know if i follow violet she'd be a good one to follow very visual someone's not making me talk no i was gonna ask and not as a way to be like say

something like uncouth but like i don't the way to now there's no possible way to navigate the reddit nonsense now because there's no rules to it like everyone there's no way way to navigate the Reddit nonsense nowadays. Because there's no rules to it. Like everyone, there's no way to win with those people. I stopped. I felt. I don't go in there. I don't go in there anymore.

It was doing bad things for me. So I unfavorited it. It's like one big comment section. I don't need to go there. No. It's not for me. The ones that love you will show up at your shows and you'll get everything that you need. The comment sections is just like hoping for the best and then you

stumble upon something you're like god you're like I can't fight every battle so let me just walk away and just to be on the other side of this and just I've just like left comments to be like I liked I liked you know Monet exchange this episode and people will just

come down on you with like the most invective bullshit and you're like excuse me like what the fuck is wrong am i an idiot if i can't figure reddit out i don't know what how you do it like it's like i don't i try like there's a couple times i've tried to go on there and it's just like oh god i don't even have tumblr figured out i just hit reblog yeah there you go you just hit reblog and people are yeah the tumblr queens are still out there the tumblr queens are out there william you're sipping honey just straight up you know my throat is i felt like i gave a blowjob to a weed whacker you may have you should get that checked out it's chlamydia i bet go get it checked is this from the strenuous

activities at wigstock or post wigstock no wednesday i was notified i might have chlamydia because someone said they had it but they had it in their throat and i didn't touch their throat i only sucked their dick they blew me a little too but like you're not gonna get anything for me um oh i wasn't active i know i was good and i just got to trust and treat for it two months ago so i had it then what are the chances what are the chances but you still might have it whatever it's fine i'm just saying yeah listen what's the deal with neil petrick harris was he was he cool yeah she was great she was great she was in drag full fantasy she was full she got into drag at

the end to close out the show with Hedwig. Beautiful. The band was great. The performance was great. It looked like the crowd was amazing. That's the way it appeared. Good, I'm glad. You should have come. It would have been great. I was at home with my beloved family.

And your girlfriend's brother. Her brother. Her boyfriend. My sister's brother. What do you guys do at this point when someone books you to do that kind of show? You drop in and you're like, I am just going to pull out an old repertory piece. Or then are you just like, let me make something special for this. I wanted to do something a little special. Yours looks awesome, yeah.

Yeah, so I had my friend Nick. I was like, I'm busy and I need you to do something special so figure it out and so he like choreographed a little little shimmy little shake it was really fun is this Nick Laughlin? yeah

we know Nick on Insta we've met Nick several times we would watch episodes with him at Barracuda yes yes yes he's one of the Barracuda watchers being extra carrying carrying full carry but Nick was always at Barracuda. Yes, yes, yes. He's one of the Barracuda Watchers. Being extra. Carrying. Carrying.

Full carry. But Nick is like a good presence. Nick is not. She is. Nick is chaotic good. That's true. That's accurate.

That's accurate. You can be chaotic good. I got called chaotic evil once. I'd say you're chaotic neutral. Oh, wait. No, that. I was in the middle box. The middle box to the side.

Chaotic neutral. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,'re because it's like it's like you said you're doing harm but only to yourself right that is me stop like like you said self-proclaimed i didn't understand what it was but i like the picture they use there you go evil good oh no you're you're you're lawful good benevolent lawful good yeah yeah yeah okay lawful good wow lawful good Nick Nick backstage yesterday was like Alaska just told me about this Sunday I was like fine I'll whip something up last

minute I was like girl this is so fun you have time you have these moves up your ass like she's good she choreographed the whole thing and then Lee is like a little Broadway boy oh my gosh I was like so you're a Broadway girl he's like Mormon this this i was like work i was like printed out resume on legal good on you girl you know she your your dancers were slick she went right she went on after me and i was so fucked up you did something special for this too shaved you shit out uh um oh my god hi oh my god legends walk among us what oh my god

what is happening jackie b oh my god wow we wiggled in a 613 ties beehive this is wait jackie b just walked into the room to the studio this is happening hi this is hollywood is this is this a like hoverboard delivery what's happening she's the task she's the task rabbit she's the task she was the task rabbit all along fox news right about this oh my god fox news right about that tortoise yeah yeah yeah jackie beat hi how are you? Happy day after Wigstock. How was Wigstock for you guys? Talking about...

Have the wounds healed? Sorry. Go ahead. Keep going. Was Wigstock like a... Was it an all-day thing? No, it was just... It was all day.

It was 60 performer. An event. Three acts. Bunny hosted the whole thing? She did. She had like seven costume changes. It was like Anne Hathaway at the Oscars. Seven costume changes, three dealers.

Who was her James? Because the most famous costume changes are, of course, Anne Hathaway at the Oscars. Everyone remembers them. I prefer an Ivy Winters. She does that reveal number. It's sickening. Ivy Winters is we love Ivy she does that reveal number it's sickening Ivy Winters is sickening

I want her on all stars where has she been I agree with you girl she's been canning her own jams and reventilating her own wigs she can do everything I was surprised

when I saw the all stars y'all just missed that T what she revent she revented her own wigs canning her own wigs later girls

you're not fast enough damn you're right if I'm not fast enough You're right If I'm not fast enough Sorry girls When you go fishing Do you catch all the fish Nope

Nope Nope Nope Okay Here's what I want to ask you Willem Like what prompted The whole iPhone note Screenshot moment

From June Where you just like Went You just like You decided to say What really went Went down What

Like when About when you left the show you kind of finally said oh leslie asked oh leslie jones asked oh leslie asked that's right and it had been five years and i'm a fan of her and i was like if she's in the dark let me fill it and i was like these are all the specific i've never gone into specifics because i've always said i've always said in my interview that i got in trouble for with wow on the sign off on the dirty.com i always said that telling everything that happened would make production look bad and me look bad so i didn't want to say it sure and i didn't need to i just said i broke rules and that's what they gave them but like stupid little things like not

feeding us right or treating us poorly not knowing our names having us on glass honestly and these i'm not i'm not hard up to say these things because they all happen and future girls in the in the future were treated better now the girls that went back for all stars were treated a lot lovelier than at first because we have a standard where people and you can't work us 14 hours and say here's six dollars each to go eat at a place you know that you can't even get a six dollar meal and we don't have our own money we don't have our shit on us they they're not getting i get worked up because i treat people i work with the way i want to be treated i had to lower my voice sorry i get worked up um and i I was like let me explain it

it wasn't anything big these people make a great TV show that I love but these are the things that went wrong and they weren't apologetic about them and they've kind of

there's this guy there that the company is kind of not slut shame me but like we fucked and then like they made it look like a bad thing

that I said something about it when he treated me like a shithead I was like I don't owe you anything I was on a TV show with you and you were rude as fuck to me after fuck you you let your friends trash on a TV show with you and you were rude as fuck to me after.

Fuck you. You let your friends trash me. Bye, girl. And then you treated a friend of mine the way I didn't like, so I just decided to lay it out. I never need to work for them again and I'm cool.

There you go. I heard there was a laptop left for you under the ice machine in the hotel. Is that true? That is incorrect. It was left on top of the ice machine. Wait, who left the laptop? Her husband. Oh, so that was part of the whole her garments. That never incorrect. It was left on top of the ice machine. Wait, who left the laptop? Her husband.

Oh, so that was part of the whole. Her husband brought her garments. That never happened. He never brought me anything. Oh, he didn't? You brought everything. He brought me a hat the first day that I forgot at the home because they picked me up at my house.

They said, you need to go to the airport. I said, you can pick me up at my house. I have tubs and crates. I am not going to the airport. And they're like, you have to go to the airport. I said, I won't get there on time. So your better option is to just pick me up at my home, which is on the way. I knew where they were.

And so they did that. And I had my phone the whole way. And once I figured out where we were going, I told my husband in the car. I was like, this is where we are. Drop my location. So he knew. My cousin knew. You have broken the rules.

We all broke the rules, girl. Everybody did. They had phones. Someone had a phone. We were. Fifi had a phone. You canist it. That's great.

Girl, it's fine. It was reality TV. I wasn't Fifi had a phone. You catnessed it. That's great. Girl, it's fine. It was reality TV. I wasn't trying to fuck up everybody just myself. Totally, totally, totally. But when, that moment where you get sick, was that because you were just feeling sick

or were you nervous for some reason? What was that? You ate at, you ate at Crafty the whole day? Was that the story? There's one thing that Alaska knows I can't eat. What can I eat?

Ass. Ass. No, no, you can eat that. What? Dairy. I can't fuck with dairy I had lasagna here's what they do

they get you up and drag for the runway they review two people then they say okay break for lunch and we're all corseted and gussied up high whore and then they say do you want some fucking food it's like no bitch I can't even sit oh there's been some tense lunches in my work room and you're not allowed to talk because it's frozen like like you know you're in the bottom you know you're on

the top you know she fucked you over you learn your words darling you don't have to eat in silence brain that's oh it's great it's very tense yeah tense lunches tense lunch did you feel that like when willem describes the atmosphere of the season four production was that kind of similar to what you experienced in season five? It wasn't necessarily being taken care of all the time? I think they changed a lot of stuff because of Willem. I mean, now they have tape on the doors, so you can't even open your hotel room door.

Our choir teacher would do that on fucking field trips. You're not allowed to fuck producers anymore. No, you're not. It's frowned upon. Yeah. Stupid. And then did that get better with All-Stars 2? Was there a market improvement?

Well, I don't, I guess. I don't know. It wasn't as brutal as you're describing. You won All-Stars 2 though, so that one was awesome. I did. Yeah. Yeah. It was truly inspired.

She was amazing. She was amazing. You were. Her promo was sickening too The whole thing The whole thing I just top to bottom A to Z

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That's going to be... It might have been me. It might have been Willem. It might have been Matt. It might have been Alaska. Yeah, exactly. Who knows? Okay, well, then this is...

Because the reason... The place this is all stemming from... What just happened to you? I've almost thrown... Did you fart out of your mouth? Yeah, you're like almost throwing up. Do you have dairy today, happened to you? I've almost thrown up. Did you fart out of your mouth? Yeah, you're like almost throwing up. Do you have dairy today, bitch? No, I've almost thrown up multiple times. Are you hungover? What's going on? No, I no, I, no.

I don't drink. I can't be hungover. Bitch topped in the woods last night. Yeah. I was gonna say that this all stems from. Does a queen top in the woods? Can you hear? Oh my God. Wellum is just. She's been drinking fucking money. Your stomach's got to be a bad scene. Yeah.

I don't know what's going on. Making the devil's dick. A classic. Were you in that one too? Or just your latest porn work? Yeah, I play a newscaster. Where was your latest porn work?

I liked that one. I saw you in that. Oh, thank you. It was great. As controller nine. I'm nominated for an award. Are you really? I'm going to the award show I'm going to be like

Lady Gaga at the Golden Globes yes yes yes Gaga word oh wait is this one thing at a time dear this will be a good segue

this is a great segue so you're in a fucking star Stephanie with Stephanie how was it shooting it will be a good segue this is a great segue so you're in a fucking star stephanie stephanie how was it shooting it uh it was beyond my wildest dreams it's the best thing that's ever happened to me in my life honestly i heard you have a really good scene with bradley i have um many scenes three really good scenes with bradley and uh lg fuck yeah i know so like so

you haven't seen it have you no but a couple people that i know have seen it and um uh god has managers dm me a couple weeks ago and so you'll be very happy with it yeah it's like work bobby a review that i read by alonso dural from the rap oh yeah we did a podcast with him out in la he specifically mentions you and says that you have a really really good scene with brad Bradley Cooper oh girl I can quote the article it said kudos to casting directors XY and XY I forget their names but I'm sending them a muffin basket

for casting Greg Gunberg Dave Chappelle and RuPaul's Drag Race Flunky or something oh well I love that I don't care or Dropout RuPaul's Drag Race Dropout Willem for like a flirty scene in a gay bar with bradley cooper and i was like they called me out and my scene fuck that's so

fucking cool hell yeah but i like i think alonzo is he is a writer he wrote a book like bears in the city or something i remember or he wrote for out back in the day yeah he's been around he's cool i remember reading his book or his husband's book. Yeah, he's very cool. He's got a good critic. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so that's cool. Like that he thinks that. Oh, my God.

That must be so great. Do you get to go to TIFF or the premiere or anything like that? I'm going to TIFF and I'm going to the other one, which I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say where it is. Telly Ride?

No. Okay, we don't say. We don't. I mean, look, if the bitch can't say. If the bitch can't say. And Willem does not withhold without good reason. No, no, no, no. Bitch, I am not about to piss off the best opportunity of don't. I mean, look, if the bitch can't say. If the bitch can't say. And Willem does not withhold without good reason. No, no, no, no.

Bitch, I am not about to piss off the best opportunity of my life. I know. That's totally fair. But they're saying that woman might win an Academy Award. I've seen the first 25 minutes of the movie. They showed it to us on our second day during the lunch. And then after, they were like, no one had their phones out, right? And none of us did, obviously.

Yeah, right, right, right. But it's so different because you see them start singing. And it's not like moulin rouge where there's a click track they're actually just singing yeah and it's live it's all all the singing was recorded live and it's a different animal and you're like you get chills just seeing it and happening and watching bradley sing yeah yeah how was he as a director um the best the best he's from philly and like i instantly felt like that east coast thing that some people just don't have

and like he was cool and we did the rehearsal and a lot it was all improv I didn't even learn the script really yeah

it was great they said you're in a dressing room go you're drag queens and we're like cool me and Shangela

we're like boom boom boom boom boom being in a scene with Shangi is easy cause she's boom boom she's so good

she's got a mouth and I got a button you know we play off each other well we did hurricane bianca together and some other shit um but it's so great that's so special congrats thanks man that's amazing yeah if i could have told like you know 16 year old me when i was getting emancipated guess what in like 20 years you're gonna get your big break just wait it out kid yeah yeah yeah it'd be really fucking nice and now nobody can tell me nothing i'm gonna move with lady gaga the rest of my life hell yeah the rest of your top of my career i can retire after

this everything after this is fucking gravy or icing or both yes gravy icing like a mashed potato icing oh fuck yeah yeah well this is the thing like i don't know i feel like do you do you both find that you have to sort of consciously seek out these like career opportunities that are like that transcend the drag race whatever like the industrial complex of that or do you find that these things are just coming to you now where it's like oh there are more opportunities just by virtue of like visibility or whatever the fuck I mean

I wouldn't know how to seek it out even if I wanted to it's just like it's just great opportunities come our way and you have to be prepared for it and then like go say yes yeah and show up i think work begets work if you work a little you're gonna keep working and i was working before drag race and if there was an audition i went to it if i didn't want to go to it i still

went to it and that's how you book stuff you don't even know i booked a nintendo commercial i wore a sweatshirt and a denim skirt and like five minutes of makeup and i was like i didn't want to go to it i'm glad i did you know and that was in like 2002 wow it's terrible it's always the ones that you don't care about right and it's so weird it's like i'll i literally the closest i came to like booking like a television series it was i forgot about the self-tape put pulled out my laptop just read the script off the thing while my boyfriend at the time like filmed me and then we sent it and i got I was like the second choice for it yeah it was bizarre

and then you literally sit there looking over your script like and really care and that's the way you buy yeah they don't give a fuck yeah man but but I mean it is like that's the biz honey that's the biz Alaska tell us more about Amethyst

Journey this gorgeous new musical venture. Oh, so good. You and Jeremy. Yeah. Okay, so tell us, like, what, like, what was, like, what was, like, the impetus to, like, put out something like this

that was, like, not, like, you know, like a dance club thing? No, I mean, well, Jeremy and I have been making music together for years anyway, so we're, like, we might as well record something together. And went into the woods and we said i had some ideas for songs and like snippets and we were like we're gonna go into the woods and like intentionally we're gonna like come out with

some music yeah what'd you bring shrooms wine or acid we didn't do shrooms we there was cannabis great there was a lot of cannabis yeah there was lots of wine and um and there was a hot tub so it was amazing that's enough and then i have you done i i i've just done acid for the first time this summer and it did you like he loved it it changes life it fixed you with its love i've never done it Oh my god High five Alaska You have to You have to do it Really? I don't know

Well I mean like But are you You're sober But you will still do drugs Like is that No I'm not Oh sorry sorry sorry No I was sober for like two years

Oh god I got it So then Like a break and a detox Love it And you're never never never Gonna see me drunk on stage Right? Yeah exactly Not anymore You're familiar with my discussion You have my favorite music like a break and a detox. And you're never, never, never going to see me drunk on stage. Yeah, exactly.

You're familiar with my discography. You have my favorite music. No, I won't be drunk on stage. I can't. No, I have to be at the helm of the ship. Right, of course. I mean, as we see. You have my, I think, favorite discography of any Drag Race alum.

And Pussy is my favorite song. Thank you. It's a good one. It's a really good one. That's a fucking good pop song. Thank you. It's a good one. It's a really good one. That's a fucking good pop song. Thank you. I live for it. And I also loved the tea. Cause I was,

it had me gasping and clutching at my little pearls. That was a good video. That was a great video. Great video. Everyone came together. We're like, sure. Yeah,

that was amazing. Everyone showed up. You guys slayed it. I got to show up and pay dust to this guy hey yeah it was great not you wait was the was the tea the one with chun li turn the page that one okay did you make a chun li reference before nikki nikki minaj ever thought to do one i i've been told that she had been doing it it wasn't based on that i i chun li i chun li is from street fighter so it's actually like wrong because streets of rage chun li streets of turn the page streets of rage

she's in street fighter though so i technically it's kind of like a misprint how dare you how dare you dare you not know um yes gorgeous video video. Gorgeous video. And Race Chaser, the theme song, which is a single off Pound Cake. We have to do a video for it. You must. Oh, it'd be great. I mean, I don't have a thing to wear. Country, Western themed. I want to shoot it at Flaming Saddles, Los Angeles.

I want Mayhem's pink denim and diamonds look. The exact one. I want it. The actual one. Mayhem, let me wear it. We have to fly out and be in it and stand on the side

with the little flags like the sluts that like raise the thing. We'll let you know where the casting is. You could be there. Yeah. I'll make sure

I really don't care that. Send over a tape. We'll send in a tape. We're both with UTA. Are you guys on LA casting? Cool. Cool. Central casting.

Work fact. Oh, bitch. 818-260-6100. That's the union men's call in line for extra work. I remember that from 2000. Oh my God. I called in every morning

looking for work. And now you're going to be in a fucking Oscar nominated film. Gorge. Several times over, bitch. I want her to win everything. I want Bradley to win everything.

I want the writers to win everything. I want the DP to win everything. I heard that the real gag of the movie, and I heard that Gaga is Gaga, but I heard real gag of the movie and I heard that Gaga is Gaga but I heard the gag is Bradley Cooper I heard that he is like they described

how he acts like you know how they say it's very hard to act drunk he acts drunk better than anyone ever has apparently like he just plays that kind of like really like sozzled alcoholic like very well you can feel it in his skin and voice sozzled even alcoholic like very well you can feel it in his skin and voice like it's

sozzled even the word i would use was grizzled something i might have just made up and i actually like it it's actually rule of culture number 106 sozzled is a thing um 14 and a half 14.9 we are now going to ask you guys the question that we ask um all of our guests and we'll start with alaska this is what is the culture that made you say culture is for me it's like the pop culture that you experience as a young person that culturally defined you that made you into the person that you are marissa like a movie um like as a child not even as a child, just like when you kind of found like, okay, I'm defined. It was Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman

in Batman Returns. That is a perfect answer. Because I am her, because she is unhinged, she goes back to her house, she has a mental breakdown, freaks out, knocks everything over, then pulls out a rubber raincoat and makes it into

a cat suit yes sewing it with dental floss she is I am her she is me I just bought a portrait

of her as that character from my room from FlameCon we were at FlameCon and this guy he's an incredible artist who I believe no not this guy

but there was also this guy this artist who drew amazing pictures of you guys oh but that was Chad Sell but yeah

Chad Sell he's retired from he's retired from Drag Race art oh really yeah he's focusing on his own work like his own well his work is his work for you guys wonderful stunning but there was this other artist who had this glorious picture of michelle pfeiffer as cat woman and i was like i must have that that's a really she's incredible in that movie yeah across the board that movie is like underrated one of the better superhero movies oh absolutely yeah formative in the genre yeah are you a pfeiffer fan overall i love her yeah do you ever see jiggly dressed up as the penguin oh my god no stop she did i did so

i did um michelle pfeiffer as alvira and scarface and then she did um the penguin on suckless i told her we were going to do Batman and I did Elvira. I was like, I'm still Michelle Pfeiffer but she did the gorgeous penguin. That's amazing. Jiggly would be a great penguin. She was. Jiggly's album is unbelievable. Jiggly's good at everything. Oh, you have to listen to Jiggly's

album. It is really good. The girls are fucking slaying. Like Chez Coulee, Creme Brulee, that song is... And we have to say Willems, I love Coulee, Creme Brulee, that song is... And we have to say, Willems, I loved Shardistry in Motion. Thanks, man.

It went to number one. It did. Fucking cool. That was like, great, beautiful, like, model for like, like a drag performer's album. I live for the AAA girls as well.

Love the AAA girls. I was thinking about, well, my next album after this, I think it's called, no, that's what I call drag music. There you go.

Yes. That's what I call drag music. There you go. Yes. Absolutely. That's what I call drag music. I love that. I love that. Wait. Yeah, Alaska. Wait.

Because even, like, even... I don't know. This might be totally off the mark. Even the fra, even, like, the affect is a little, like, hear me roar. Like, Michelle in... I'm her. Do you feel you could trace it back to that? Yeah, maybe.

Right? I just wanted to be her. Yeah. And I, like i she was the role model yeah she still is absolutely did you see what was that movie that she was just in selena kyle what a good perfect name i know it's not so good and that's it's just very exactly done do we think michael keaton is hot yeah i'd fuck him. I love doing Birdman. Yeah. Wow. What's that? What's that?

Pass it around the table. This is Willem and Jiggly as the Penguin. Oh, now. Oh, I saw this. That's so shit. Oh, wow. You look like Michelle. And you look amazing.

You do look like Michelle Willems. The bangs do a world of difference. The bangs and just the. We do love a bang. Oh, my God. Jiggly as the Penguin is very good. Okay, Willemem let's ask you the same question

what was the culture the formative thing that pushed you in that direction to be like culture is for me one of the things that helped me become

and make sure I wanted to know I wanted to be a drag queen was seeing other drag queens like the ones there's a couple references don't tell mom the babysitter's dead

oh yeah those queens are stealing our car like them are those drag queens overdubbed like adr love it drag queens adr to the fuck out did you submit a self-tape for that jackie nothing don't tell mom the babysitter's dead did you submit a self-tape for that you're in hollywood then never mind she's so young y'all just knew um i think seeing girls like Jackie Beat and Alexis Arquette in all the movies

the two Wong Foos the Priscilla's the wig stocks the tricks the It's My Parties with Margaret Cho those gay movies made me realize that there was an outside

of where I was in Florida and I was like I don't have to work at Disneyland I can go out and explore and hope for my dreams to come true and that's what inspired me the pop culture that made me go for shit I don't have to work at Disneyland. I can go out and explore and hope for my dreams to come true. And then if they do, and that's what inspired me, the pop culture that made me go for shit.

You worked at Disney World in Florida? No, I got hired. And then I went to Traditions and I said I broke my foot and I had to leave. And then I was like, Mom, I have to go to Philly. I need to get out of Florida because I graduated when I was 16.

And I was like, okay, let me stay here. I'll work at Disney for a year and then go away. And they were like, no, you should go. Because I was done school. Yeah. I was precocious was i already had chlamydia when i was 13 i should have gotten out of the house more so your parents told you to go no i mean they're cool but who's they my mom and dad like they agreed to help me get like emancipated and yeah yeah oh great okay

so that was like an amicable amicable emancipation super they come to my shows wow great yeah they're awesome love that and you moved to Philly. And how long were you there? I was there for like two or three years. And I would bridge and tunnel back and forth from New York. I didn't pay the Lincoln Tunnel 37 times. And I had a warrant out. Seriously? Because I didn't have the money.

I was doing back and forth bridge and tunneling. Sorry. Wow. I slept in that car a lot too. Did you go to New York from Erie a lot back and forth? No. Pittsburgh was the big city for us. Yeah.

So when we wanted to go get crazy, we would go to Pittsburgh. You started out in the pits? I started out in Erie, which is two hours outside of Pittsburgh. Ah. Yeah. And then for you,

the trajectory was Erie to Pittsburgh, Drag Race LA. Just a couple of Pennsylvania girls. Pittsburgh, LA, then LA, back to Pittsburgh, then Drag Race, then back to LA. Got it, got it, got it.

Cool. You're a hermit crab. So interesting. Was it like, so Drag Race season one happens and then was it like this thing in the whole of, the whole drag community where it's like everyone's submitting tapes or were you always galvanized to submit? Well, no, because it's like they talk about this in Race Chaser.

They would approach Chad Michaels' whole group and be like, hey, we're starting this show with all drag queens and then chad was like no we're not interested you really listen huh yeah well it's like it's this is this is the thing it's like there was no model for this right i mean no one knew it was going to be the industry that people are like what no like you're some hollywood asshole who's telling me to do this show don't call me that it still has rPaul attached, though. Well, sure, but like, RuPaul was, at that time,

RuPaul was off the radar for a year. Right, that's true. Like, so it was like, oh, yeah, I remember RuPaul. Like, can you imagine a time where you'd be like, oh, I remember him. Yeah, it was that.

When the show started. So it wasn't like it was going to be this foregone conclusion that it was going to be a huge success it had to get and then it really didn't slay until season four that's i mean sure or no three was three and so was one was fierce but i mean like in terms of everyone watching four is the first time they had great archetypes of reality tv they had the bitch they had the goth girl. They had the sassy fat black girl. They had the underdog. They had the spicy Latina girl.

We had good archetypes. They had a California bitch. They figured out casting. They did. The casting was great that season and I attribute it to a lot to Chanel Perillo. She's one of the girls that helped produce Wigstock. She was a talent producer for that. She wrangled everybody. She also fucks dogs. Shut up. I hate you. Okay. She's one of the girls that helped produce Wigstock. She was talent producer for that. She wrangled everybody. She also fucks dogs. Shut up. I hate

you. Okay. She's a dog fucker. She's a dog fucker. We love Chanel. Chanel is our friend, but Cheryl has decided that she wants to perpetuate the rumor that Chanel fucks dogs. We can perpetuate that.

That's what we want to do. Chanel was our talent minder on Drag Race for my season and Alaska's so she went through it Chanel was the one that told the producers

you should talk about this Heathers thing the girls are talking about it at the hotel Heathers and Boogers she brought that to set and the producers were like why don't you tell us

and they're like oh okay yeah and that's how Heathers got brought to light with Chanel Chanel kind of produced it Chanel made me stay past the second episode

because that's when I first broke a rule and I was like fuck this they're not going to send me off I'll kind of produce it. Chanel made me stay past the second episode because that's when I first broke a rule and I was like, fuck this. They're not going to send me off. I'll just leave on my own. What was the first rule? The first rule I broke was

I went to a store because we gave them money to get us stuff and they didn't and it was four days later and we're like, we need our shit. Oh yeah,

you were about this. I went to a CVS and then I told the guy, give me some hands, here's some hand sanitizer. He's like, oh cool. I was like,

I got out of the store. I went to it today and I took a few other girls, bitch. Like, we need our shit. You need to treat us better. And then after oh cool I was like I got it at the store I went to it today and I took a few other girls bitch like we need our shit you need to treat us better and then after that I was like they're gonna

kick me off and then they kept me the next day and I was like oh okay well let me try to sing for the one girl's elimination they said no absolutely not

you're going off script and I was like bye I can't wait to rewatch this season knowing that the whole time you were just like literally trolling them trolling

here's the thing I pulled the page and it's a stunt and it's valid people win sometimes the whole time you were just like literally trolling them. Trolling. Here's the thing. I pulled the page and it's a stunt and it's value. It's valid. People win sometimes the whole season by pulling a stunt, you know? Oh, well you were, you were the first stunter on the show.

Like in, in a more like existential sense, like you were stunting on the show. Would you call me Stunty Cunty? Stunty Cunty. Thank you so much. Behind your back. To your face.

There's a line. Sure. Get in it. You want a a fast pass was anyone like that on your season like behind the season badly behaved detox would talk into her mic I was gonna guess detox yeah she's the prank remember when they switched the song and she's like

I see all of you I see you wow wait so she's like talking to all of you i see you wow wait and so she's like talking to people at video village no yeah honestly because d d she's told this story before so i think if you want to find it you can ask her about it but like i shouldn't talk about it but no i should i mean she's told it where i think it's valid to talk about they sometimes switch the lip sync songs the day oh yeah we heard about this about this for Chi Chi and Thorgy. So girl, let me tell you, with Jinx, Miss Jinx, and Miss Detox, they switched it from an 80s mix, so Detox, to an

No, it was Free Your Mind by Envo. Okay. 90s. For the sugar ball? And they made it Malambo No. 5 or whatever? Which is a song that Jinx has performed in her repertoire before. So I think they knew who was going to slam it. So Dee told me when she got home, she's like, my microphone off and said i see you i see you all okay fine

and she did the number like she should she slayed it but like they knew that jinx was going to be the top at that point i guess you think they were rigging it for jinx no i don't think they were rigging it but i think every reality show in the final three has an underdog um you need the cast has an underdog an antagonist and a protagonist And the antagonist is usually the pro, too, like the Chad Michaels. Sure, sure. Or the Alaska Thunderfuck. And I think the narrative of Alaska Talks in the top three, I think it's good. It's a good story.

The narrative is like, to break it up. I know you love. It's like they have someone called a story producer that's actually just a writer. Right, exactly. Sure, sure, sure. Wow, that's actually interesting. Well, the way they film, and this is interesting to produce reality tv any show is they film everything they get transcribers just transcribe it out and then they look through it and then they take pieces and script it together

with cut and paste and they say this is a show we're going to produce 48 hours of footage 42 minutes so they do what they can and that's the most efficient way to do it and to create a story that people care about like velasca talks because i cared about it yeah right right right yeah yeah so basically you can watch it now and you guys really think I did that. Yeah you did.

It's beautiful. Yeah. You watch the show now and you love it like a new season comes on and you do love it. Now I love it. I don't want to know

any spoilers. I'll know spoilers about all stars if if it happens but I'm like a lockbox. I don't want to know anything about the new season regular season. Yeah. Do you remember the day that I almost't want to know anything about the regular season.

Do you remember the day that I almost convinced you and Courtney I was on All Stars? Yeah. For a second she was like, no. Both of them, I gagged them. And then I got Beverly next door to get in on it too. This girl that makes stuff for us. I feel like, would you never go back?

They won't ask me. But what of you in a fantasy world if they asked you? Girl, do you know how often I say no? Never. I say no very infrequently. But for this, I don't like the way that they've treated a lot of people. And I don't think that my concerns would be any different once I got there. So I wouldn't want to put myself in a bad situation.

And I'm in a movie with Lady Gaga. I don't need to go back. Exactly, bitch. Like, I'm not drinking my own kool-aid or trying to give myself a big chignon or anything about it but right but you know what it's like todrick would he go back to american idol he's doing his thing yeah he's fully doing i'm doing my thing too i got stuff going i'm cool sure um i you know i'm good i think that was a time in my life it was very helpful and i'm very happy about it, but,

um, it's better. I like it better on my own because I don't have to answer to anybody. And when I fuck up, I know it's my fault. I'm not going to blame someone else for, Oh, I'm mad at you. Cause you didn't feed me right.

Fuck you. You know, because they've been filming more stuff. There's, there's a Christmas thing coming out. And I mean, I think that's no secret if you go on Reddit and, um,

there, I'm glad I wasn't there for that. Once I heard some of the stuff that happened, I was like, fuck that. So then are you go on reddit and um they're i'm glad i wasn't there for that once i heard some of the stuff that happened i was like fuck that so then are you like using you and detox as examples would you encourage that not that behavior but that sort of response more to be like oh if something is uncouth then like call that out in the moment well here's the thing squeaky wheel gets the grease so if you just complain about something and they don't oh to yourself and not to the people that it's affecting it's not going to do much so and if you want to be happy you should probably speak up you know if you're

unhappy with something doesn't make sense just sit there and stew and boil and get hot under your wig right i mean we there's certain things where we're like no yeah we won't stay at your house get us a hotel you know stuff like that where some people try stuff and i call them tryisha try don't try it and it's also like not not as if they don't have the money now to like treat them really right and i we actually we moderated the the drag race panel at vulture fest and uh i read vulture yeah yeah it's like my new defamer we do the reviews we recapped season 10 we redo the recaps and i win you want you want work yeah um but we did the uh panel with them at vulture fest and the one thing i think

about the show that's kind of like a little bit like you can call it out as unfair is the way that like some queens come in with tons and tons of money and other queens come in with nothing and they're expected to bring the product no you don't think so don't do that because like here's the thing we all have drag families and drag sisters and people. My season the day we got our first checks

we had to go to four different banks because a bunch of the girls accounts were overdrawn because you go every penny in once you get on this

you're like this is my chance to make a splash let me do it. Taking out loans too? And if the girls don't have the money to do it

learn how to sew learn how to make stuff you know? Because a crafty queen is always gonna find something to wear okay yeah that's what i think i mean um monique gave an interview where they were asking about the disparities between poor queens and rich queens and queens out of money and she's like well i mean look at willem he had money and he was fucking busted on his show

on his season and i was like i've never even met you said that yeah in an interview and I was like, I've never even met you. Monique said that? Yeah. In an interview. I was like, okay. Twice. In black and white. I was like, that's a nice way to meet me. I wasn't busted. I never had one bad comment on my outfits. Sure. She listens to the show, by the way. Monique. Hi, Monique. I don't know why you said that. My outfits were great and I wasn't busted.

You saw my beard like once. There you go. I looked great. There were no judges critiques on my outfits the entire time. They said my hair was wrong once. The second episode. But you go. And I looked great. There were no judges critiques on my outfits the entire time. They said my hair was wrong once the second episode. But other than that, I was perfect fashion wise. So don't come for me there.

But like, I don't know what she meant by busted. I looked fine. People liked me. We interviewed her too. Monique got beef. You interviewed her. And she said you need money.

That was her view. I did a little exit interview with her when she got eliminated. Alaska wore trash bags. Sharon Needles won with a bag of dirty laundry. She was her view. I did a little exit interview with her when she got eliminated. Alaska wore trash bags. Sharon Needles won with a bag of dirty laundry. She was wearing her dirty laundry

and Fifi was so plucked during the season because she's like, she gets away with that. It's like, girl, sell it better. Sell it. Yeah.

It is about just delivering. The show is about, it's not always what you wear. Sometimes a lot of it, it's a lot of it's personality. Keep Rue laughing and you're golden. Yeah, that's actually,

it seems more and more evident. Keep Rue entertained and it makes good TV. If she's entertained, that's a lot of its personality. Keep Rue laughing and you're golden. Yeah, that's actually, it seems more and more evident. Keep Rue entertained and it makes good TV. If she's entertained, that's a guarantee America will be entertained probably. There you go. I think Cracker could have won the show

had she just like kept it, kept it more together. I really do. I think she just, I think she just probably, I mean like I would have just let it get to my head in that same way

where she was like, what the fuck is going on? Why am I not excelling in this thing that I am excelling in did you see that video when Aquaria won in the bar and Cracker like put her head down on the table and prayed for like 10 seconds and Cracker's assistant put her

it's someone across the room being shady with their little phone zooming in on Miss Cracker sitting at a table and the TV goes the winner is Aquaria and everyone in the bar is losing it. It's New York. They're going crazy. And Cracker is just sitting there.

No, she puts her head down on the table. Completely still and not pleased. What's that about? I don't know. I think she had a migraine. She probably had a migraine. Probably had a migraine. It was a migraine that struck right at that moment. I don't know. Maybe she should go to helixsleep.com

and get a free... I agree. Go to helixsleep.com and get a free... I agree. Go to helixsleep.com forward slash LascauxTheresa with the promo code ding dong. Forward slash drag, you faggot.

Oh my God. This is our fucking show. Fuck you. Just because you get to have your fucking crew rule in here. You guys have fucking med med money. I'm out of here.

Get me my hoverboard. Well, first, before you leave, we have to do I Don't Think So Honey, which is our segment that we do. Get me my blade. Call my blade. Which is our segment get me my blade call my blade which is our second we do um alaska knows it well she was a judge at our clusterfest show which was very fun very fun we thank you for doing it so hilarious we like

you guys were great judges in fact the winner of it rachel pigham just moved into my apartment two blocks away you're running a hostel i'm'm running a hostel. Yes, yes, yes. We're disenfranchised comedians. But great. Okay, so we're going to start. It's one minute on the clock to rant against some of the cop culture.

Oh, God, I'm bad at this. Well, just pick something and talk. You seem very good at talking. Do I have to do... Oh, my God, I'm scared. I don't know topics. You know what we can do for you?

What you did at our Custerfest show is you just picked topics out of a bowl. Yeah. Okay, we'll do that. We'll do that for you. That's easier.

Okay. We'll start with Matt. We'll go Matt, me, and last, me, Willem. Okay. I don't really know what I'll say, but here we go. You know your topic, though. I know my topic, but I don't know my take. That's like your logo.

Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Cute. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that you can't wear white after Labor Day Actually bitch I'll wear whatever the fuck I want Also you know what's after Labor Day?

Fucking Christmas And if I want to show up to the Christmas party In a fucking white turtleneck Which actually sounds kind of cute Maybe I will do that And also when does it end Honey This after Labor Day thing

At what point may I start wearing white again Also I'm gonna fucking just restate i'll wear whatever the fuck i want you bitch now also alaska says dictates that apparently anna wintour has stepped forward and said that the white after labor day thing is now not a rule can someone please fucking get up on national broadcast television and say for once and for all if we can wear white after labor day or not. Until then, I don't think so, honey. Also, are we also talking off-white?

Are we talking our ivory, honey? Are we talking our, you know, so light pink that it's almost white? Are we talking bone? I will wear whatever the fuck I want. White is a good color on me. As long as I don't roll around

in the goddamn dirt, you'll see me wearing my white ensemble, bitch. And I don't think so, honey, if you think otherwise. And that's one minute. Wow. Love that. I will wear white you will but the only thing is about white is if you like have a little bit of you know your teeth aren't looking exactly perfect that day oh sure but you can tell but then at that

point you're splitting hairs smile oh gorgeous okay do you guys both have uh new girls with with with the drag race money i see a lot of the girls get new i got mine when i was 23 after i saw myself on noob tuck i was like that tooth is crooked we're fixing it we're getting it we're getting it done asia harris took ryan murphy to get you to that thank god ryan murphy i love you asia harris teeth are my favorite thing on television oh they're fabulous they fabulous. They're so fabulous. Mega watch. She's got a mega watch smile. I love her. She really does.

She's the queen. So sweet. Future all-stars winner, I hope. I hope so. Her and Shay, though. Sickening. Yeah.

Yeah. And a wonderful person. So many good ones that should win. We talked to her after the finale. So many good ones that should win.

Willem. We talked to her after the finale for season 10. She was in good spirit. I want Jackie B to be on season 11. Jackie!

As a judge. But Jackie has transcended the whole show, though. Like, that's the thing. I don't know. Well, she's not paying attention. She wrote for fucking Joan Rivers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, she doesn't need it.

Yeah, please. Whatever. As a judge, that's why. I want her judging people. She should be a judge. Hundo P. Hundo P. Hundo P.

Has Lady Bunny ever come on the show to judge? Not to judge, no. She was on drag, you. That's very good all right this is bowen yanks i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey these fucking idiot asians who are suing harvard for this and this affirmative action thing there is not one okay according to some sources there is not one student at harvard uh or these students who didn't get accepted into harvard who are ready to take the stand and testify that uh affirmative action uh harmed them do you know what i'm saying they are using this because they're bitter about their fucking just

i mean their tiger parents have brainwashed them into thinking that you have to go to some ivy league school and now donald trump and the and the right are using you as anti-black cogs to fuck shit up and it's not necessary be better do like do not ascribe to this model minority bullshit okay be best thank you melania i just i i hate this i'm holding people in my little cohort accountable because this sucks man oh babe i get it i was growing up for 18 years thinking if i don't make it into when i have leaked into my ivy league trash but then i went to nyu and whatever it was fine and that's one minute i went to nyu and it was fine the final sentence of i went to nyu

and it was fine and it was fine you're kind of sexy when you're mad thank you but then i looked at your shoes and i'm like i'm wearing slides because I live two blocks away. I'm not going to get dressed up. Thanks, Willem. Explain coherently what you're saying. Sorry. So there's this lawsuit. I saw Crazy Rich Asians.

My friend's in it, Constance. Oh, your friend Constance. Yeah, I know. I did a TV show with her. I don't really know her, but we're in the same movie. She's fabulous. That bitch can deliver a single tear. Oh, she's so good.

No, it's these Asians. It's this group of Asian students who did not get accepted into Harvard, who are suing. And none of them will take the stand? Because they know they'll be ridiculed on social media. Well, it's like they're claiming that affirmative action has, like, they've brought in black and brown students to take their spots at these schools. And it makes no sense. It's horrible.

It is. Well, get a scholarship or something. Or just be better. I don't know. Suck less. Be best. Suck less. Willem's book. And have better, have more distinctive things on your personal statement, your whatever. Get better hair. Get better hair. Just have a personality beyond just being a

fucking robot who studies... Babe, I get it. I was reading these SAT prep books when I was in the 7th grade. And then you decided to get a have a personality beyond just like being a fucking robot who studies like like babe i get i was reading these these sat prep books when i was in like the seventh grade and then you decided to get a personality and it was wonderful it was all fucking aces i dropped acid and now i'm now you have a personality and thank you god i wanted to do something where i do a different drug for every episode of the beatdown that i do once and then i realized that would be a bad idea because i've already done crack and i don't want to try crystal. He did crystal on accident once and it was fine.

I'm afraid that I'll like it. It wasn't fine. He had a meltdown. It was not fine. It was like an Adderall. You can't say crystal is fine on your podcast. No, I know. For days he was not okay. His teeth were chattering, bitch. You were chattering like a fucking crab.

Have you taken Adderall before? Sorry, clam. It really worked. You were chattering like a fucking crab. Here's the thing. Have you taken Adderall before? I take Vyvanse. Sorry, clam. Chatter like a clam. Not a crab. So Adderall and crystal meth are the same molecule. Tell me more.

The ingredient bottle says amphetamine salts for Vyvanse and Adderall. There you go. The generic says amphetamine. Our friend just accidentally took bath salts the other day. I just wanted to let Willem know

that meth and Adderall are chemically the same. Meth has an extra methyl group which makes it more lipid soluble so that it crosses your blood-brain barrier. Say that in my journal, young lady. Meth is fine. Meth is fine.

Close, Bo and Yang. You put this on the cloud because I'm going to shoot topics at Alaska and then when you're done, I'm just going to shoot out a new one and you're just going to say negative things about these things that I talk about. Like word association

and then we just say, oh, honey, I'm sure it counts. Unless you have something you want to rant about I don't think so honey Okay so Alaska you're first Tell me when the clock goes on I'm sorry what are we doing Just why don't you just sit there with the clock And I'm going to say topics

Are we counting down for a minute Just do your thing This is Alaska Thunderfucks I don't think so honey Her time starts now Okay Lord, the singer Lord Okayucks I don't think so honey her time starts now Okay Lord the singer Lord Okay so I don't think so honey So first of all I talk really

Slow so that helps in a Timed situation Lord South Park did a really great job Of succinctly Identifying Lord's Practices in music Writing she takes a computer of succinctly like identifying Lorde's practices in music writing

she takes the computer and she just talks to it because she's like a 14 year old girl who's angsty and then they put like a beat behind

that that's her music really but I no I do think so honey because I no I think

she's great I think she's she does do her makeup. She does that weird dance on that awards show. So I do think so, Lorde. And her name is Lorde. Like Madonna's daughter.

Lordess. Miss Vanjie as an expression, as a cultural thing. I do think so. No, I appreciate it. And that's one minute. Great. So we got,

we got sort of an, I don't think so. Honey, I'm ethically not well at the, I don't think so. No, you were absolutely incredible at it at clusterfest. Legendary.

Legendary. You said your, I don't think so. Honey on Robert Mueller was, it should be pronounced Mueller. And that was a classic word. Totally, I agree with that. It's spelled like Mueller. I agree with that.

And so do we. What was another one Alaska did that was V good? She goes something something more like something something. Oh, Glenn Close more like Glenn Farr. That was it. That was it. Sleigh bitch. There you go. Sleigh bitch. Simple, straightforward. Okay. There we there we go okay this is Will and Bella

wait hold on let me pull up some topics you're gonna excel exceed I don't know excel I only know paint oh there you go MS paint who is that this is Nick

oh shit wow she's looking fish like a grouper she filtered her photo look great I don't think so honey his time starts now the actor Ed Harris and I have no Harris. There you go. Ed Sheeran. Oh, my God. I love that little... He's a red-headed boy.

He's so nice, oh, honey. The horse, Ed. The talking horse. Oh. Super fun stuff. Oh, honey. Oh, my God. Taylor Swift, Reputation album.

Taylor Swift, a great writer. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so. Great writer. Great writer. Great writer. The Christmas season. The Christmas season.

Yes, go negative, honey. Just in general. Talk shit about it. In general. Oh, I thought you meant the RuPaul Drag Race Christmas season. No, no, no. Oh, because that's sickening. I think Ru has a Christmas album. You just spilled the's sickening. I think Ru has a Christmas album.

You just spilled the tea. 15 seconds. I think Ru has a Christmas album, oh honey. So they're doing a little VH1 Christmas special with a lot of the girls. Oh honey. Oh wow, that's the tea. Oh honey. Okay.

Oops. Five seconds. Oh, the tea is caffeine free. The tea is caffeine free. Caffeine free. I feel like we got some cans out of there. Oh honey, that's one minute. And I have honey.

Oh my God. Oh my God. It's clover honey. Pure extra light amber. I think that's why Will could barely do it. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don Clover Honey. Pure, extra light amber. I think that's why Will could barely do it. I don't think it's Honey because he clearly thinks so.

He literally has Honey. Yeah. That's not Honey. That Robin song Honey is so good too. I love Robin. Which one? Honey, it was on Girls.

That's Mariah Carey Honey Erasure. That's the best song called Honey. I think Robin. That's gorgeous. Gorgeous. Beautiful vocalist gorgeous Beautiful vocalist

Beautiful vocalist We're live vocalists first Absolutely You guys are live vocalists So many blessings So many blessings Blessings I appreciate you

Why did God give you this talent? That's a question for you guys Yeah I think I found it At a loss of found Okay One gave it to you Why did God give you this talent?

It's the Lord's plan It's been honed It's in God's plan That's the title of this episode is God's plan. Did the lights just get dimmer? Maybe a little bit. But I just want to say the four of us here are all vocalistas because as one reviewer put it in a review for this podcast, he said, like all drag queens and real housewives,

as soon as they got a little bit gay famous, they assumed the world wanted to hear them sing. And you know what? That's true. Maybe they do. Maybe they do maybe they do albums absolutely I'm down I'm here for it

I know it's good though that bitch is a good album it's a good album now or never she puts fucking dollars into her music videos too she looks like a large bag of money this is the most expensive month of my life.

What is that a reference to? It's a tweet that she said. She didn't get into it. I don't think so, honey. Drag queens on Twitter. Okay. I actually don't think so. Well, now they're getting into feuds.

Go to BBRT. The fucking Eureka O'Hara Jack K. Harry beef is my favorite beef of the year. That came out of nowhere. My favorite beef of the year that beat that came out of nowhere my favorite beef of the year call the oops call the oops okay willem willem has to go well he's gotta go he's got a hoverboard to pick up yeah yeah yeah no it's here he just has to oh right right somewhere else there we go okay how dare you tell them my personal business you insta this well this is race Chaser is the podcast

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fabulous, fabulous, fabulous, phenomenal. I'm on Shameless too this season. You're on Shameless this season? Emmy Rossum's last, huh? Yeah, she's nice. She's nice. She's very good.

Well, we love you both. Thank you so much for doing this. She just tweeted us, bored. I did not. I tweeted hover bored. Oh, nice. That's very good.

You know I can't read. Okay, well, I mean, we got to get out of here. I love you, pussy. Bye. I love you, pussy. I love you, nice. You know I can't read. Okay, well, I mean, we got to get out of here. I love your pussy. I love your pussy. I love your pussy. Don't you? Bye.

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