Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gonna Have To Listen To That One" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: March 4, 2020

On this episode— which marks the return of Las Culturistas!!!🎶 Grlooo!🎶— Matt and Bowen are doing a lil’ Culture Catch-Up! Lots of good culture has happened upon our planet, and Matt and B...ow have takes on all of it: New Gaga, the sweeps at both the Oscars and the Grammys, the iconic Super Bowl halftime show, Cheer, The Circle, Goop Labs, and so much god damn more. Plus, the boys discuss how they are devolving at the hands of an Aretha Franklin-meme, deep-dive on their respective interactions with RuPaul (!!!) and walk through The Rules of Football, once and for all! And I Don’t Think So Honey’s that will make you examine. your. self!!! Remember to subscribe to Las Culturistas right here on iHeart Radio! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:07 Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.
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Starting point is 00:02:28 To be back. To be back. So we're just going to get down to brass tacks. Yes. We've already recorded a couple episodes. And they're good, y'all. And they're good at our new home here at iHeart. iHeart, baby.
Starting point is 00:02:38 I mean, you know her. You love her. This is where we're at. This is where we're at. And honestly, we're so happy. Everyone here is the best. Is the best. Engineer Doug is in there slaying it.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Engineer Doug is slaying it. Head of content Hans. Yes, head of content Hans. Slaying it. Our producer Anna. Absolutely incredible. Executive producer Anna. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:02:58 And that's the thing is actually, it's rule of culture number 10. Executive producer Anna. I mean. That was disrespectful of me. Very disrespectful. I just love the team here so much. The snacks in the fridge
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Starting point is 00:03:21 Yeah, like the Pringles. It's exactly like that. You know, for me, you know what the thing is for me? What? The baby bells. Those little cheese desks. Yeah, they're freakishly addictive. So addictive.
Starting point is 00:03:32 And they really revisit me at my most vulnerable times. I had no idea what they even were until I came to LA and started working in writer's rooms. And they're like a fixture there. Yeah. These baby bells and they pop off. And they pop off. And you look at them and you're like, what's this wax? What is this cheese wax? I don't know. And then once you figure it out, honey, it's like
Starting point is 00:03:55 riding a bike. Once you figure it out, you're doing it. That's actually rule of culture number 19. Yeah. It's like riding a bike. Once you figure it out, you're doing it. Okay. We should bring everyone up to speed.
Starting point is 00:04:10 All the readers speed on our new home. So yeah, I mean, we weren't kidding when we told you we weren't sure where we were going to land after our last episode. It took a lot of thought to just figure out where our new home was going to be, but we happy and we're recording in Los Angeles right now. So we've answered the question that you picked two yeah that we floated to everyone we decided that it is best for my sister bowen and i to be
Starting point is 00:04:29 in the same city looking at each other in the damn eyes and we record we don't want to be trifling with this across the country wait what did you say can you say that again nonsense i yeah we lost we lost matt we can make the commitment to fly to each other. Yes. Like you have made the commitment this time, and I'll come to you next month. And you will do it in kind. And we backlog mother.
Starting point is 00:04:51 And we backlog mother, but that's not to say it won't always be topical. Yeah. No. I think this episode, this is our fun little return. Yeah. Reunion.
Starting point is 00:05:00 We're going to talk about some culture that we've missed. We basically have been having a pain in our stomachs hearts and brains because we haven't been able to talk about all the culture that's been happening and i just want to say one one thing before we um begin the episode i have to say something i'm very angry at some listeners oh and readers okay because they have been saying we don't believe matt and don that they're gonna come back and this was a betrayal this is a betrayal because i have done nothing but be supportive i have done nothing but be supportive of you the readers and for you to get into my dms and get into my instagrams and say bowen won't respond to me but i don't believe well they threw you under the bus damn what do they say damn they said damn they said they said well bowen did not respond to my dm
Starting point is 00:05:46 so i'm asking you by the way thank you for letting me know i'm officially the second choice and they said yeah that's not that's actually really rude and i'm and i'm angry at the readers and we're and you're angry and i'm angry at them and furious i would say i'm angry and in addition furious and here i am and I say to them, you know what? I hope it's okay that I'm back, that you were wrong. This is the thing.
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Starting point is 00:06:26 and i found that out and it was really painful it was really painful to find that out so then what's what's the what's the what's the course of action for you to take a huge pill in the morning and i've also gotten on prep so that's two pills i have to take. Yes, Desco V4 Prep. Yes. And I have to swallow two large pills and your criticism. I am having a very difficult time. Oh my God.
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Starting point is 00:07:10 I have missed this so much. Yeah, me too. I really gotta say. So anyway, I'm not actually mad. We're not actually mad. And we're doing this episode especially for everyone. We're gonna do a culture catch-up. Culture catch-up.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Culture catch-up. I mean, if you want to know our thoughts on on the things that we've missed in the last nine ten weeks yeah um a lot's happened a lot has actually happened it's actually been an incredible time for culture yes in both negative and positive ways of course the world continues to absolutely burn but there's been some real moments of coach that have shown through that have cut through the terror yeah Yeah. I mean, there's, and I have some stuff to say about some of the terror going on. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Some of the fear that's being, you know, spread. It's great to know that you have something to say. I have something to say about it. I think we look to you. You look, everyone looks to me.
Starting point is 00:07:57 So I think that if we're going to start this culture catch up. Yeah. I, I would personally move that. We just dive into one topic head on okay i have a connection to and you have a connection to taylor taylor her name is taylor swift taylor swift and she actually she burst back onto the scene with a netflix documentary it's called miss americana miss americana with the accompanying single only Only the Young. Only the Young.
Starting point is 00:08:27 And I just want to throw it to Bowen. Yes. Your review of Miss Americana, how did you feel? What were you thinking? You know, it's really stuck with me. Wow. An effective, effective documentary, I would say. Very specific. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Very specific window into like her life in a way that feels intentional. You could tell that she... I thought back to that conversation that she has with her dad. It's Taylor and her mom sitting next to each other and they're trying to convince Taylor's father that she should post this... Endorsement.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Of the Tennessee of it all, the Senate race. The Senate race of it all. Very moving, very effective, but then it's like, oh, but then they know that there's cameras in front of them. And do you know what I mean? And we can talk about this
Starting point is 00:09:13 and I'm sure you have something to say about that. But it's like, I am holding two sort of multitudinous thoughts in my head where it's like, I enjoyed it. I gave a nice glimpse into her process and sort of her struggles and
Starting point is 00:09:25 she has a very particular set of struggles yeah but then it's also like i also see it as like a very very sort of um cleverly timed pr move as well yeah i mean every single thing she does i always think of as being calculated but also i actually okay i think it's fine it's fine and that's like part of being a huge brand because of course you're going to calculate your moves of course and the thing but just fine and like you have to calculate your moves when you when everything that you do is scrutinized and i also thought to myself throughout the documentary watching i'm like well she's on camera she's on camera i'm like yeah she knows she's on camera she knows yeah it's like of course
Starting point is 00:09:59 she's gonna know she's on camera and every time i reminded myself like well you know don't believe this all the way because you know she's it's a documentary and she's putting it out and it's part of her brand i'm like yeah blah blah blah it's like also you have to give her she is also a human being yes in addition to being a brand i really thought it made a lot of sense to me that she had sort of a light it made a lot of sense to me that she felt like frozen in time by the kanye yes that must have been freakish. And also constant reminders about what happened with the Dixie Chicks when they made a political statement. Now, of course, you want to think of yourself that if you ever get in a position of power and you're able to make a political statement that you will do the right thing.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Right. But culturally and financially, she's in an extremely different situation and so she had seen it really not work out for someone where it was a similar situation and so i thought that it really tracked narratively to see she was frozen in time by the kanye thing that freaked her the fuck out and she could never get a real control on like a good narrative now because to this day it's like this because the ground keeps shifting underneath her and it's still a kanye taylor versus taylor thing to this day which is nuts she never asked for it yeah until she did likely um yeah yeah yeah but i thought
Starting point is 00:11:17 that in conjunction with the trial being the light bulb moment yeah for her i really understood that because it's not wasn't about it wasn't even really about her assault that made her say, I have to speak up. It was specifically the trial where they had photographic evidence of her being assaulted and witnesses and still people in this courtroom, men in this courtroom were like,
Starting point is 00:11:39 well, why didn't you say anything at the time or was it really a groping or et cetera, et cetera. And I bought all of it. I bought all of it. And truly, or was it really a groping or etc etc and i bought all of it i bought all of it and truly like of course it was a light bulb moment for the trial to be that sort of catalyst because for her to be like oh i'm famous and i have evidence and all these things going for me but this is still a shitty fucking experience right and it's got to be incredibly enlightening in like a very dark way to know that you could be literally one of the most famous people in the world and have all the evidence you need
Starting point is 00:12:09 and they're still going to be like the raised eyebrow at you. That's had to be very, very enlightening. And I mean, Suzy and I watched it together and the thing that we were both struck by was at the end, towards the end, she goes, you know, I'm in my 30s now and there's only so much more time that the world will allow me to be successful. Tolerate my success. Tolerate my success. And the way she made a face about it, like, and I know I'm right,
Starting point is 00:12:32 and you know it's right. Yeah. It's chilling. Really crazy. And also, you have to think, like, she probably also knew that when she was weighing whether or not to speak out about her actual political beliefs, because it's like she is a certain kind of artist, and, you know, it's so different she is a certain kind of artist and you know,
Starting point is 00:12:48 it's so different when you say anything and you're a woman. So definitely all of that. And I, I was really on her side personally now, now professionally with the kind of music she's making. Like for example, this song, only the young,
Starting point is 00:13:02 another thing I picked up on in this documentary is I think she needs to shake up her producers because i think she's got yes people she's got yes people she the you know the that are hurting her you think yes because i think only the young needed a lyrics pass bad well because i mean if the documentary is to be believed she just kind of notes that for about 10 minutes and was like okay i've got it only the young can run like there's a's a moment where she's writing it, and she said, only the young can run? And she makes a face like, I'm sort of behind this? And her producer, you hear him go, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:33 And it's like, no, dude. Like, that doesn't really make sense. Can run. I mean, it's a call to action. Like, people running for office, maybe? I just think, like, because there's like weird like like there's not clarity about it it could have just used another lyrics pass or like looked at the song one more time because i think the song is like song is great great yeah just lyrically it's like
Starting point is 00:13:55 this is like kind of weird yeah and could have used another pass likewise the song me me not it but interestingly though and like other people have observed this, in the writing of it, it sounds like a very compelling song. And that's another part of it. I was like, I can see why. I love watching her process. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Because she's a genius. Because she's actually doing it. Yes. You know what I mean? Like you're actually watching her work and it actually like has reminded me of when I've seen this happen or have done it. Like I'm like, like yeah she is so uniquely good at this and i buy this 100 and love
Starting point is 00:14:31 watching her process and i really like her bts when she like notes apps or when she voice records herself and includes that on deluxe albums i love that shit so my thing was the videos during reputation when she like put out videos of her like trying to crack the the chord progressions and the melodies and the lyrics to gorgeous oh yeah it's like over like the course of like 10 weeks yeah she's recording herself in front of a keyboard at a piano being like and then she's just like it's so interesting yeah so i was watching her writing me yeah and you see them get excited and they're like it's a hit it's a hit we know it and then i'm like but what did happen because it's in between yeah maybe it was like an imaging thing maybe it was the fact that it was the first thing we heard yeah yeah something about it and maybe it was just did too much yeah
Starting point is 00:15:14 yeah yeah but like something about it like it's just not one of her right it's not canon for her it's not canon it's it felt like an anomaly um yeah but i got but you and i talked checked in on lover the other day you're still listening to it listening to it i'm listening to cruel summer basically every day i mean for me i would have and this could get us into another topic i would have voted for lover for song of the year just because for the grammys which it didn't win it was a bad guy by billy eilish along with everything else because i feel like when you're giving an award song of the year that should mean like you're introducing a beautiful new song that can be performed by many people to the canon yes and billy eilish bad guy is like sure it was an important record of the year like it says 2019 2020 like down yes but in terms of like
Starting point is 00:16:07 song of the year in terms of like lyrical construction and like like actually being a song i don't know and i think that lover is like in such a gorgeous song in billy's defense i feel like there was other there are other songs on um on that album that are beautiful works of songwriting. Yeah, I mean, not that bad. Incredible. And she did sweep the damn Grammys. She swept. She is an icon.
Starting point is 00:16:33 She is an icon. She is the moment. She is the moment, darling. Are we, anything else we want to say about Miss Americana? I feel that Miss Americana was probably one of the better pop star documentaries. Sure.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I think I'd rank it above Five Foot Two. Five Foot Two is a little scattered. It's a little scattered and it was fascinating to watch her physical struggles. Yes. But then I could sort of do without her smoking a cigarette talking shit about Madonna. You know what I mean? I'm like, okay. Okay, Stephanie Germanotta.
Starting point is 00:17:03 It is. Stephanie Germanotta was in some ways a little more aware that the camera was in front of her than Taylor was. Right, right, right. So, I don't know. Oh, well, we've got a two-year adventure. Do we talk about Gaga or do we talk about Grammys? Well, it looks like we can talk about,
Starting point is 00:17:17 well, we're here at Gaga. We're here at Gaga. We're feeling excited for new Gaga. We're very excited for new Gaga. Stupid love is, you know. I love it. Very good. And Miss Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson sang Stupid Love in a fun little like broken down version.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Did they? At Geisha for All People, they opened with that for their Valentine's Day show. Perfect. Stupid Love, so fun. They dressed up as cupids and they sang Stupid Love. And live band, like guitar drums. Sounds so good. Comes up,
Starting point is 00:17:47 but musically you're like, Oh yes, this is a very well constructed. I'm excited. I'm really pumped. I want her to be dancing. Do you? Again,
Starting point is 00:17:55 I want her to absolutely stomp the yard. I want, I want her to sort of create an army of gays. Again, we've been talking about this. Insane to watch. Not in terms of like, it's insane that Gaga is doing this because it's like crackpot Gaga,
Starting point is 00:18:10 what we've always expected. But it's fascinating. To see her post-Star Is Born kind of dig her heels deeper into like the weird, the weirdness that Gaga is. To revisit like Gaga being Gaga in a post-Star Is Born world where she was like tearfully
Starting point is 00:18:26 accepting awards all season like and we saw this like other side to her it's just so funny because you're like oh you're truly nuts no but i don't think it's that she's nuts it's that it just reinforces this whole her whole sort of like yeah her whole organizing principle around her fame which is to perform perform fame and her doing the award circuit last year yep was her performing like oh my god i can't believe i want like she do you think that's true yes i absolutely think that's true her just performing the fuck out of that trope of like a famous person she's just she's trying she's putting on different fame drag that's all she's been doing her whole career that's a fucking amazing take i think that that's because even like the classic screen couple
Starting point is 00:19:11 of it all yes that's that's exactly what it is yeah her and bradley like this man like every speech was her being like and bradley you believe and then the 99 people thing it's 100 people it's like it's so it's so deliberate it has to be deliberate she is a genius It's a hundred people. It's like, it's so, it's so deliberate. It has to be deliberate. She is a genius. She's a genius. And for her, and her doing Enigma and her doing this
Starting point is 00:19:30 Super Saturday thing, it's like, it's so, I don't know what the reference is exactly, but it's her truly being like, Yeah, yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 00:19:39 she was back to like, get your fucking dicks out. I heard they have some big cocks in Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo. In Belfast. Belfast, get your dicks out. I hear they've got big cock here in Northern Ireland. I miss Faye Monster Gaga so much.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Me too. I hope we get it back. I want her crazy ass. I want her coming out on a red carpet wearing you know two band-aids and a cork yeah and covering herself in ketchup yeah and being like this is for the middle east like i want i want that insanity i want like messaging that's messy and fucking crazy and i think it's genius that she performed starlet wins oscar because i'll tell you for her to actually give a performance that was that good like the performance
Starting point is 00:20:32 in a performance yes because she's stunning in stars warren yes yes and when she got nominated for the oscar no one was like oh everyone was like yeah she's great yeah you're like yeah i give it i mean even though though that is such a, in many ways, a sloppy film. For sure, slop, slop, slop. And she is wonderfully sloppy. I mean, like, scene 97, what is it? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Bathtub scene, it's like truly improvised. It's so unhinged. But it's so good, and you're like... You're fucking ugly. You're fucking ugly. What? You're more challenging. You're fucking ugly. What? You're more challenging. You're my little pig.
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Starting point is 00:23:26 We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio. And we're back. The other day I tweeted, why did you do that, do that, do that, do that, do that to me? It was my most successful tweet I've had in months. I was, I read that tweet from the Lost Cultures account and I cried in bed. It's, I don't know what about it
Starting point is 00:23:47 from you. Why did you do that? Do that, do that, do that, do that to me. It's iconic culture. It's so funny.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And we're standing here in 2020 still talking about Star Is Born and that's something. My favorite part is Diane Warren being like, no, you guys,
Starting point is 00:24:00 we were trying to write like a good pops. They were like, they were all reporters like, we love that the song is horseshit. Can you talk to us about your process of writing a bad song to show that
Starting point is 00:24:09 Ali's bad and a sellout? And she was like, oh. We were trying. I'm actually proud of the song. But, yes, did you see my insane new Oscar nominated song from the movie
Starting point is 00:24:28 Breakthrough performed by Chrissy Metz what is our life I don't know but I mean Diane Warren at the Oscars is it's own performance it's wild they cut back to Diane Warren from the audience after that song and she's fully sobbing she was sobbing she knew that she had moved
Starting point is 00:24:44 the world she knew that I'm standing with you from breakthrough had changed the world and i think she was thought she had a chance of winning i don't know you can't win against um wait who won again well it was oh my god this is how much this category is like i mean cuckoo now because honestly honestly into the Unknown should have won if they weren't going to nominate that song that Mary Steenburgen wrote. Do you hear about this? Mary Steenburgen wrote a song?
Starting point is 00:25:13 Okay, this is a psychotic story. Okay, go. Mary Steenburgen had surgery on something. She needed to go under the knife. Yes, you told me this and then she woke up she woke up and was a musical genius she had never this is fucking insane this is recent too it's like within the last like five years it happened and then she hasn't been acting as much because all she can do is think of music so there's like this is insane you guys musical
Starting point is 00:25:44 thoughts attack her in the middle of the night and she has to like write her music because after her surgery, she's now thinks in musical terms and like can't stop. So she wrote a gorgeous song that's at the end of Wild Rose called Glasgow. And it was like, it won like all sorts of awards and then it got snubbed for the Oscar
Starting point is 00:26:07 and it was actually like one of the biggest Oscar snubs. And then- And it could have won if it was in the category. Oh, you know what won was the Elton John song. That's what it is.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Of course, of course. Which literally is like, deep up, deep up, deep up. Sure, sure. It's just like, what is this? What a good story to have them both win, yeah. Definitely wonderful.
Starting point is 00:26:24 But we should say that as we were watching the Oscars, I was here in LA watching the Oscars. I was watching the Best Original Song nominee performances and I was like, why do we even have this category at this point? And then I remember because every few years we go shallow. You get a shallow. Or I let it go. And you need it.
Starting point is 00:26:41 But it's like sometimes these nominees, it's like you could tell. It's like Diane Warren is going to poop out and I'm standing with you from Breakthrough and it's going to get nominated on her name alone. And like, why do we have this? And why? But that Mary Sandberg thing is fucking crazy. I fucking love that.
Starting point is 00:26:56 I mean, it happens with people who like wake up and learn, know a full new language fluently. It's crazy what can happen to your brain. It's actually rule of culture number 99. It's crazy what can happen to your brain it's actually real culture number 99 it's crazy what can happen to your brain hashtag during surgery hashtag during surgery now let's move on to a wider oscars conversation i feel like we've moved well before we move away from the best original song oh yeah i want to say did you see adina's performance along with every other
Starting point is 00:27:20 international elsa absolutely what a beautiful safety net. Literally genius way to do that. Yeah. Because it's like a nod to how internationally like. Yes. Huge movies. Important and like move. I was moved watching it because I was like,
Starting point is 00:27:35 wow, like girls all the world over like are watching this movie and that's great. And I did not love Frozen 2, but like whatever. The Frozen canon i think is positive yes um but her adina's notes were right but she was rushing through her fucking shit that's i felt that too she was she was about three hours ahead of the music what is it about adina she gets nervous on tv i think she gets nervous but she think. She's performing on TV. I think she gets nervous. But she's a damn Broadway legend. That is true.
Starting point is 00:28:07 But I think when something is televised. I get it. And from movie people, I think she freaks out. I get it. I totally get it. She doesn't look calm. And this is not to say that those performances aren't successful on some level.
Starting point is 00:28:22 No, they keep us talking. Absolutely. Yeah. But I pray for her. I pray for her. And I famously said on this podcast, Adina is a bass. And I have to say, she was hitting her solid tenor one notes.
Starting point is 00:28:39 And we support her. And the notes were good. It was just a little fast this time. A little fast. Speaking of best original song, that Eminem performance, We support her. Yep. And the notes were good. It's just it was a little fast this time. A little fast. Okay. So, I mean, speaking of best original song, that Eminem performance, we don't, I mean, there's, what hasn't been said? Girl, what?
Starting point is 00:28:54 It felt so desperate. I mean, no one, still no one knows why. Not even Marshall Mathers himself knows. What was going on? All of a sudden he came out. I was like, what is this for? It's not even an anniversary. It's not an anniversary.
Starting point is 00:29:08 You booked Eminem. Because that was what, 2003 or something? I'll tell you what. Yeah. I would have respected it more if they had booked him to come out, just say the word faggot and then leave. Absolutely. Because then I would have said, you know what? It's art.
Starting point is 00:29:21 It's confronting the artist. It's confronting the culture now which is so sensitive i will never forget that he called us faggots every day every day he called he specifically reached out to us and called us value he actually texted me he texted me every day marshall i say girl girl what are you doing just kidding he doesn't text me but it's important that we don't erase the fact that that that Marshall Mathers, AKA Eminem was the most famous homophobe in the world. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:49 And, um, you know, now we kind of throw around this, uh, uh, sort of eligibility. We go,
Starting point is 00:29:55 Oh, you know, Laura Dern can say faggot, whatever. It's, it's, it's, we're beyond that with Eminem.
Starting point is 00:30:01 We're like, it's not that Eminem can say faggot. It's like he has, he has done it many times in a malicious and hurtful way. And I can say as someone who was felt confronted by it every single day and whose life was worse for having him in the media, that I don't want to see him at the Oscars. Something pretty much exclusively watched by gay men and women who he also talked about beating exclusively in his music. So I don't understand really why we're doing this, you guys. And actually, we can say that the friendship with him and Elton John makes no sense either.
Starting point is 00:30:33 And I don't think so, honey, Elton John. I don't think so, honey, Elton John is friends with Eminem, girl. Honestly, I don't need it. I don't need it. Okay, let's talk about the Oscars as a whole. So, I mean, the gag. Since we've last spoken, I don't need it. I don't need it. Okay, let's talk about the Oscars as a whole. So, I mean, the gag. Since we've last spoken, I don't know. You said you were about to watch Parasite on a plane.
Starting point is 00:30:51 I did watch it. I have not heard your thoughts, and I'm truly shocked that you have not spilled forth and told me what you thought about the film. A shocking film? Yes. A fantastic film? Impactful?
Starting point is 00:31:04 I thought the real announcement of a new directorial voice like i know he's done so many films and people have been a fan of his films but now like for this to be this mainstream thing like pung joong-ho i believe this makes him truly an international yes brand because i was what i'll tell you what I watched after I watched the film is I often like to go back and see like, I'll go on YouTube and fall in a little wormhole about takes on the film and you know there's this really good
Starting point is 00:31:34 piece and I wish I could recall off the top of my head what YouTube channel it is but that really walks through the sequence which is, spoiler alert, getting the mother to replace their housekeeper. Yes. About the-
Starting point is 00:31:47 The peach fuzz. Pace at which that sequence moves and how it's all very timed out. He's obsessed with rhythm. I thought, this is really amazing. This is someone whose brain is connected to their talent in a way and can really articulate the way they want things to play out on screen
Starting point is 00:32:04 in a way that I feel is worthy of being in the same name recognition as those directors he was nominated with and I think after having watched it that is a very good screenplay win director win and best picture best picture win now the the for me what's just so crazy, and I did not, I got chills when he won the best original screen because I was like, oh, he might win this, he might sweep. I actually, I predicted it for picture.
Starting point is 00:32:33 I kind of had a feeling for picture too, and I was like, just in a perfect, it's either that, or I mean, based on prognosticators, it was down between, it was between 1917 and Parasite. That's what they were saying, and there was like, spoiler was once upon a time. Like big, big upset.
Starting point is 00:32:48 If there was like, if there was going to be something cuckoo happening. Yes. And I was like, you know, I think that the Parasite film is going to win because you saw the way that everyone reacted when they won like the SAG award. That was a moment.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Everyone's like watching them all on stage, the ensemble, you're like, yes, this movie. Yeah. And I will say this. The acting snubs.
Starting point is 00:33:13 These snubs. And it is erasure because, well, that's what it is because, I mean, you, we can say pretty definitively that the reason why none of those actors were nominated is probably because the
Starting point is 00:33:25 overwhelmingly white voting body did not bother to learn their names. But it's also like, I mean, you nominated Rinko Kikuchi. Sure did, but I think that Rinko Kikuchi was one of the only Asian actresses in the film, and I think
Starting point is 00:33:42 I honestly think that an Asian ensemble are like, okay, we can't tell them apart. And it contributes to the facelessness narrative. actresses in the film and i think i honestly think they just saw a bunch an asian ensemble they're like okay we can't tell them and it contributes to the facelessness narrative yes which i believe the western world puts on the eastern world because we don't put the time and effort into oh and i can get into this later about a fucking disease that's spreading through the world and how we're kind of very casually dehumanizing the people who are dying anyway absolutely and this would not be something that would happen if it was happening in connecticut you're talking about coronavirus yes i mean we we would not be even making a joke about anyway um but i'll get into that later uh but i'm so glad you liked it
Starting point is 00:34:21 i would have given two nominations okay the cast. I would have given... Mrs. Park? Absolutely. Yes. To me, the performance of the film that I will remember is the Mrs. Park, the rich mother. Because the film doesn't really work without that performance being like so...
Starting point is 00:34:39 You're like, oh, you like her and you... So funny, you like her, but you are like... You understand. You're frustrated with her, you like her and you... So funny, you like her, but you are like, oh my God. You understand. You're frustrated with her, but also you get it. The specific things in the script, like buy me drugs. Yes. Oh my God, insane. They worked so well because she's giving such a specific performance.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Her sexual chemistry with her husband. Yes. Loved it. Her weird little relationships with everyone in the movie. This is a woman who's that sort of rich woman who nothing really bad has really ever happened to her and so she's able to open up to people. She kind of
Starting point is 00:35:14 loves the attention. It's the whole thing where it's like when the family, when the Kims are eating and drinking in the living room, they're like, they're so nice but it's like they can afford to be. That blew my mind. The movie made me think think so many i've not been able to stop thinking it's an amazing performance and sung kang ho i would have given him the nomination for supporting actor just because i feel that he you really he's one of those actors where you remember his face.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Face! I was going to say the face! He's got such an emotional face. Yes. Like, little things. Like, anguish. And also, like, self-satisfaction. Like, it's all there.
Starting point is 00:35:58 And there's so much going on. And I would also, you know, say the entire cast is amazing. Entire cast is great. And, like, I would say the protagonist of the movie is probably the son. The son. And I thought he was great. Housekeeper, though. I'm liking on the actresses.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Yeah. Obsessed. Was able to portray Asian female suffering in such a fun way. It was kind of fun to see her her like grovel grovel grovel and then when and then when the rest of the kids fall it just immediately turned she records and she's like i'll fucking send this and yeah so fun and i'll say you know so hard to with a script that really takes big swings yes keep the tone yeah because even when the tone quote-unquote tone when the tone, quote unquote, tone shifted,
Starting point is 00:36:46 and it became not really a comedy anymore, it became a tragedy. Yeah. And very dark at the end, and violent. Yes. I still felt like
Starting point is 00:36:56 it was within the voice. Yes. And that is a real achievement. It reminds me, it's like a Jordan Peele movie, in a way. Yes, very that. And anyway, I'm so glad you liked it. It was me, it's like a Jordan Peele movie in a way. Yes, very that. And anyway,
Starting point is 00:37:06 I'm so glad you liked it. And I just think- It was thrilling to watch it win the Oscars. Of course. It was thrilling. Every new award, I was like, yes.
Starting point is 00:37:13 And I just kept believing and believing, especially because the acting races were so fucking boring. So boring. But I mean, I think it was Jason Kim who has just,
Starting point is 00:37:22 his journey, all awards season of just being so obsessed with Parasite is, was truly so fun to track. But he commented on Miss Jane Fonda's breath work, which she announced. An incredible performance. Cause she opens the envelope and you can tell that like she understands.
Starting point is 00:37:37 Yeah. This is Miss Hanoi Jane we're talking about. She saw, she saw this and she was like, Oh my God. Yeah. Took a breath. Parasite. like what a moment
Starting point is 00:37:48 and she knew it was going to be a moment and so fun and she re-wore that dress that she's worn in the past sustainable fashion thank you she also brought that red coat out that she's been getting arrested in you notice that she was holding her iconic red coat that she's gotten arrested in like 12 what an icon Jane Fonda
Starting point is 00:38:04 did you see Jane Fonda. Did you see Jane? Yes. Yes. I can't recommend this enough to the readers. You must. It is so good. You guys, I mean,
Starting point is 00:38:13 and you cannot do anything but respect and stand. And the thing is, it's also, you get an understanding. Yes. And it's also a film about the difficulty of being a woman in this or any industry, just about like how culturally like it is very difficult to get out of the shadow of men who dominate you yes and it
Starting point is 00:38:34 is about men it is about it is about her relationship to men yes and just not no spoilers but every it's it's like five chapters jane jane five acts. And the first four acts are all names of the men in her life that were her husband's or her father. And then the last one is called Jane. And it's very, very good. Jane Fonda is an icon. I knew when I saw the list of presenters, I'm like, she'll be presenting Best Picture.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I had the feeling. And then she did. Before we go to break, what are your thoughts on the acting winners? I thought about this today. And someone pointed this out too. I mean, we love that Miss Dern has an Oscar. We love that she has one.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Strange that that was the role that she got it for. And you know, I've talked about this like ad nauseum, like while we've been off the air. It feels insane to still be talking about it, but I'll just wrap this my thoughts on it are you can't tell me that that was not an oscar win for someone that we the royal we are all obsessed with right now we are i mean that's we we saw an opportunity to give her an oscar and we gave her one great that wasn't the performance wasn't the performance.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Wasn't the performance, but it happens all the time. Sure does. And we're not saying that it's not earned or anything. It's just, it's interesting. And it sort of peels back a layer of the whole sort of facade of the meritocracy of awards. It's like, okay, it's not like a direct correlation. There's a million other factors that are outside of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And I also feel like it just goes to show that like how much further ahead and how much better television is than film right now, because we can see her do that literally 14 times on every episode of big, little lies better, like blow that shit away. Yeah. And I, I just feel like,
Starting point is 00:40:24 you know, I hope it's not that thing where in five years, like, she gives a performance that's, like, truly amazing. And we feel like, eh, we gave it to her already. Because that's how you get the thing of Renee wins for Cold Mountain. Right. When she should have won for Chicago.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Right. Or Julianne wins for Still Out. Right. And it's like, that's how you kick the can further down the road. And then like, you're like, who cares about this anymore?
Starting point is 00:40:51 You know what I mean? Yeah. It kind of takes some value away. I don't know. And then good for Brad. Loved him in Once Upon. Good for Miss Joaquin. Miss Joaquin is certainly a performance.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Yes. And we stan Renee is certainly a performance. Yes. And we stan Renee. We stan Renee. I don't know about that speech, so I'm going to have to pass on that one. Going to have to get a writer for that one. Going to have to whittle down that list of name drops. Going to have to edit that one.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Going to have to edit that one. Going to have to two-time speed that one. Okay, so we, once we're going to, we're going to go to a break, but then when we're back, we got to talk about this thing that's poisoned our brains.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Yeah. This mean that I wouldn't say poison, but it's truly, it's added something and we'll talk about it, but we're going to go to break and we'll be right back. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all?
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Starting point is 00:43:22 Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do everything podcast on iheart radio okay we're back so matt before we went to break we sort of dipped into this new
Starting point is 00:43:51 vernacular it's true way of this this this way that we speak now which is so it's so interesting that it's happening now basically you guys we've become um powerless against the aretha franklin interview where she says good gowns beautiful guys i mean that's the that's the pull quote we all know we all writer young producer whitney was him was a talent and sissy's baby this that we've we've become we went to puerto vallarta with some friends had a lovely time lovely time and just sat around and watched this interview and then, I don't know if this ever happens
Starting point is 00:44:27 to you guys, the readers, but like something will just become so fun and stupid to say that it's all you can say. That's become us with this. This is different though.
Starting point is 00:44:37 This is really, this is- It's become my personality. Yeah. Yeah. Same. And so she has this one line in it. This is the locus that you're focusing on
Starting point is 00:44:46 is that you know the interviewer asks her about Nicki Minaj and she goes Nicki Minaj gonna have to pass on that one so now it's just become gonna have to stand on that one gonna have to admire that one gonna have to be skeptical on that one
Starting point is 00:45:00 gonna have to ride that one and we went to Disneyland recently and we had to put on ponchos for the river ride gonna have to put a poncho on for that one. Gonna have to ride that one. And we went to Disneyland recently and we had to put on ponchos for the Grizzly River ride. Gonna have to put a poncho on for that one. No, my favorite distillation of it is going, gonna have to put that, gonna have to put on that one. Gonna have to put on that one. Gonna have to sit on that one. We are becoming the
Starting point is 00:45:18 stupidest people in America. And it's happening at a very quick rate. So I want to tell you all, if it gets to the point where we are doing this podcast and it's happening at a very quick rate so i want to tell you all if it gets to the point where we are doing this podcast and it's musha musha musha understand it's aretha franklin's fault for being too iconic but for just just the way she like is struggling through this interview being like okay alicia key okay good Okay. Good producer, young producer. Young producer, good writer.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Young performer. Young performer. And it got to the point where me, you, Patrick, Rogers, and Jared took a car back from this New Year's party in Puerto Vallarta. Oh, this was sick. A lovely talkative driver was telling us all about, you know, sort of the changing dynamics of taxis in Puerto Vallarta and just telling us about all the new riders and stuff.
Starting point is 00:46:11 And we truly all, we only spoke to him in Aretha Franklin soundbites. Well, no one in the car could understand each other anymore because of the language barriers. And because of just the substances that were combined. We were extremely on substances. And he was like saying how it was busy night
Starting point is 00:46:29 for him we were just like gonna have to stand on that one absolutely good driver young driver and then he would
Starting point is 00:46:34 just be like good people young people yes very young drivers and we'd be like and he and it was psycho
Starting point is 00:46:39 psycho he would not stop talking no he was the most talkative Lyft driver so truly it meant that we had openings to say anything we wanted at any time and it would not have talking. No, he was the most talkative Lyft driver I've ever had. So truly it meant that we had openings
Starting point is 00:46:46 to say anything we wanted at any time and it would not have been heard. So me, you, and Patrick just in the back seats would just be like, okay, okay. Stan.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Stan, good roads. Okay, good roads. Good roads, young roads. Long roads. Long roads. And Sissy's baby. And Sissy's baby. And we can't stop.
Starting point is 00:47:02 And we can't stop and so sorry. That driver was a talent. That driver was a talent. And Sissy's baby and sissy's baby and we can't stop and we can't stop and so sorry that driver evolving was a talent the driver was a talent and sissy's baby and sissy's baby and unfortunately we will try our best to not have that pervade the rest of the episode but don't trust us don't trust us we can't trust ourselves okay but before we move on from the oscars too too much okay i think this is something to say about the osc, which then segues into what I think was a cultural moment for our lifetimes. The J-Lo snap. The J-Lo snap.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Okay. Gonna have to pass on that one. Gonna have to pass on that one. Gonna have to turn off the Oscars on that one. Gonna have to disagree with that one. Gonna have to fight for that one. Gonna have to gonna have to slam the academy on that one. Slam the academy on that particular one. Gonna have to slam the academy on that one.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Slam the academy on that particular one. Because thanks for making it way less fun, y'all. Exactly. Are you kidding? We could have seen the dress. Any dress. Not even the dress. You know what I'm saying? You needed to invite Kathy Bates what? To bring the glamour?
Starting point is 00:48:02 Bitch. Miss Bates didn't even want to be there. She got to see Jerry from Cheer on the red carpet. And that was like truly the highlight for her. She did not want to be there. Girl, she probably wasn't as shocked as anyone else. What is going on? Just let Kathy spend a Sunday night at home.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Don't drag her out to fucking. You know who wanted to be there bad? J-Lo. J-Lo. After the year she's had, oh my God, I can tell you. Way to stick it in and break it off.
Starting point is 00:48:32 She was, when she hosted, can I tell you, I went to that damn dinner. Yeah, can you talk about that? It was, I can't say too much, but she,
Starting point is 00:48:41 you could tell she was very excited for the year she had. I know. She like, dropped a little hint about the Super Bowl performance. She had just FaceTimed I can't say too much but she you could tell she was very excited for the year she had I no she like dropped a little hint about the Super Bowl performance she had just FaceTimed with Shakira's team
Starting point is 00:48:50 and so Bowen went to the SNL has a dinner with the host and some of the cast get to go and Bowen went to the one with J-Lo
Starting point is 00:48:57 and it was truly wild and you could just tell that she was excited and she was like you know that rocks she was like
Starting point is 00:49:03 you know I'm in a very fun place in my career it's like oh my god and she was like, you know, I'm, she's like, she's like, you know, I'm, you know, I'm in a very fun place in my career. It's like, Oh my God. Like, and she deserves it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:09 And I was, and also the performance deserves to be nominated with the rest of those. Absolutely. I mean, I personally would have voted for it, but it cleared the way for Ms. Duren to snatch. And I did vote for it for SAG,
Starting point is 00:49:20 but come on. Anyway, it went to Lord Duren, someone I love, someone you love. And it's like, but I also love fairness.n someone i love someone you love and it's like but i also love fairness so there you go it's it's really tough to sort of weigh your your value your values in this way yeah because it's like then you're then you're the gay who's saying that
Starting point is 00:49:34 laura dern didn't deserve it but i'm sorry i will i will continue to be a truth teller a seer i will continue to be a seer thank you and we will do that and we will do that here on this podcast and we have the platform now let's move towards joy and talk about this god damn super bowl halftime one of the best i would say maybe i i'm actually gonna be hyperbolic maybe i can't remember enjoying one more and this does not take anything away from beyonce who is the queen of both times she did the Super Bowl but it was a different flavor oh my god what they were
Starting point is 00:50:09 so good it was exceeded my very high expectations girl my expectations were very high She-Wolf was the first song performed at the halftime Super Bowl and that's gay rights and that's gay rights that's gay rights gonna And that's gay rights. That's gay rights.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Gonna have to stand on that one. Her fucking shredding that guitar. Gonna have to stand on that one. Gonna have to watch that one. Gonna have to be impressed by that one. And then when she did her belly dance, I was like, this is so fucking is so this is so fun and the lighting was perfect when they did the close-up of shakira's face she looked so fucking stunning i was like
Starting point is 00:50:52 this is wacko that she looks this beautiful and to and to bring her just because we're staying on shakira for now yeah but to reincorporate her into the performance oh my drums. Oh my god. Genius. Truly wild. And when they cut to her and she was playing those drums, I fell out. I was like, that is the funniest shit I've ever seen. It's so cool though. It's so good. And also you forget whenever, wherever.
Starting point is 00:51:17 The bop! And that was a cultural moment. Oh yeah. When that song came out, and I had just started taking 6th grade Spanish, moment. Oh, yeah. When that song came out, and I had just started taking sixth grade Spanish, bitch. Bitch, yes. And it was huge for that class. You actually better count yourself as lucky that your breasts are small and humble.
Starting point is 00:51:35 So you'll confuse them. This way, they will be confused with mountains. It's actually rule of culture number 30. You actually better count yourself as lucky that your breasts are small and humble so that they are not confused with mountains. Lucky. And that's
Starting point is 00:51:52 a message. Gonna have to read the text on that one. Gonna have to examine the text on that one. Gonna have to say the lyrics on that one. It's fucking stupid. We cannot turn back from this so funny i'm crying so suddenly out of nowhere it's the funniest thing
Starting point is 00:52:14 that we can no longer think for ourselves yeah well it's actually on track with the rest of the world and how it's going it was was 70 degrees in Antarctica the other day. You told me this. So I'm fine sinking, and the last thing I say as I gasp for breath is gonna have to try to breathe. Gonna have to gasp for breath on that one. Gonna have to grow some gills on that one.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Gonna have to be Kevin Costner in a water world of film on that one. Okay. Anyway, bitch. J-Lo. Now, okay. So first of all, just to put a period on it, Shakira, one of the best performers alive. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Then J-Lo comes the fuck out. Well, first of all, hang off. I've never seen anyone more beautiful. That pose. Oh my God. The way the skirt flowed out.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Just someone who was so amped to do the Super Bowl. And crushed. Delivered. Every moment. Oh my God. What an icon. What an icon. Gave you full Kylie Minogue,
Starting point is 00:53:14 all the lovers, music, video, fantasy bodies piled on top of each other. 100%. The boys. Beautiful boys. That just were nuts. They were killing it. So good.
Starting point is 00:53:24 We got get right at the Super Bowl. With canes. I gagged. When that happened, I was like, absolutely. We were so lucky.
Starting point is 00:53:35 On the Floor is one of my favorite songs of all time. Play it at my wedding, funeral. Graduation. Graduation. Stay tuned for a future episode where we reference this meme this new meme we like this new meme but oh my god um also just waiting for tonight when she got up on the
Starting point is 00:53:52 pole first of all no one can ever do that green light again that's her light that color the green yes you knew exactly what it was i was like this is she owns this light and truly like, she owns this light. And truly, like, has she laid claim to polls? Now no one can pole dance again. No one can pole dance on ever again. And she was like, by the way, never forget hustlers. I remember when I was watching it with Jared, and he goes, never forget hustlers! Truly, never forget.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Never forget. And the Academy forgot, and then she said, I'm actually gonna pole dance at the Super Bowl. You fucks. Yeah. And it's actually watched by more people. laura dern could never do it can i say something you can say whatever you want actually i was i watched the super bowl quite frankly at miss heidi gardner's apartment we actually stand heidi gardner and we're gonna have to stand on we're gonna have to stand on that one she was feeling the chief spirit. She had her Kansas City friends who were so
Starting point is 00:54:46 sweet who took the time to really explain the rules of football to me. Do you know the rules? You're pretty familiar with the rules of football? What happens in football is you throw the ball to each other and the men try to run across a line at the end of the field. And that's literally...
Starting point is 00:55:02 Not even at the end of the field. It kind of moves. That's the fun thing. What happens is the first down line yes and you need to keep getting the first down so that you can have more chances to get to the end of the field you've known this for a long time i've actually known this for a long time because my father was a varsity football coach you have to remember i once was a baby who had a little jersey that said little rogers on the back my dad was actually known as a, quote, defensive coordinator genius on Long Island. I believe it. Okay?
Starting point is 00:55:28 And an award-winning defensive coordinator at that. That being said, I don't know what the fuck is going on with most of the... Why are the plays so complicated with the little men? It's like the X's and O's that you draw. Bitch, you're trying to run to the other side. Because either you throw it, someone has the option to, like,
Starting point is 00:55:49 girl, throw it to one person or another person i look and then at times the qb runs himself sometimes he's just giving the ball to someone else i gotta do a deeper dive but really all it took because sudi and i were there at this party together and we were like wait a minute we kind of get we kind of get what's going on and this is actually 100 and this is very fun to watch well all these straight men have figured it out. I, I, I don't, I'm not going to make a comment on that.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Okay. You're going to pass on that. I'm going to have to pass on that one. But then the next day I go into work and then I literally Google football rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like watch it at two times speed.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Cause I was like, I, I don't have a lot of time. Let's go. And absorbed it all. Not all, but I was just like, Oh,
Starting point is 00:56:22 I get it now. And this is fun and interesting. And I'm like, thank God for JLo and Shakira because if it was and Miss Heidi Gardner who I put on the same pedestal as them those are actually the three JLo Shakira and Heidi Gardner but I was like
Starting point is 00:56:33 thank god for this because now I'm interested in this my horizons have expanded and I'm kind of into this new thing this new culture I would say this I have a couple notes for football these are just thoughts and people the costumes are better New culture. I would say this. I have a couple notes for football. These are just thoughts and people that- The costumes are better.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Should be better. I would say that I could- We could use an update on the costumes. Yes, yes, yes. One thing. There's a quarterback
Starting point is 00:56:54 and a cornerback. I feel these two words are too similar and I feel like we should just change- Yes. I think the- The consonants.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Yeah, like quarterback I think should- We should keep calling him a quarterback because that's the culture. Cornerback should be The consonants. Yeah, like quarterback, I think we should keep calling him a quarterback because that's the culture. Cornerback should be like- Cornerback should be like-
Starting point is 00:57:09 Angle, angle back or something. Or just, I don't know. I would just call him like- Back. I would- Miss back. I would- Well, what does the cornerback do?
Starting point is 00:57:17 Do you know that? I don't think I know this. Is he the one who snaps the ball? Call him the snapper. Snapper. That's much easier for me. Come on. But so that's one of my notes.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Also, these brains are becoming mush. Yeah. Now this is a much bigger. So, so my, my, my,
Starting point is 00:57:31 my small thing is we have to change quarterback and cornerback. Yes. My big thing is their brains are becoming mush and we're not, we're doing nothing's being done about it. I mean, outside of Will Smith making a movie about it, Doug's laughing. It's not, it's no laughing. It's actually not funny. I don't know. I don't done about it. I mean, outside of Will Smith making a movie about it. Doug's laughing. It's no laughing matter, Doug.
Starting point is 00:57:46 It's actually not funny. I don't know about this. I'm going to have to disapprove on that one. You're going to have to disapprove on that one. We have straight people in the booth who are, I guess, laughing at us, and I'm sorry, but there's things to point out. Costumes need an upgrade.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Quarterback, cornerback, it needs to be a snapper and a quarterback, and the brains should, we should do something about them. If you're going to talk to queer people about football, the last thing we're going to do is dehumanize the players. Right, exactly. I also think that we actually, you know how they're actually moving
Starting point is 00:58:14 to cut the dancing and celebrations when they do a touchdown? I think we should be dancing more. Well, that's how you end up having like personalities in football. I'm like, hello? Like you end up loving the people because of the dancing. Girl, you know Tiki Barber? You've heard of this person?
Starting point is 00:58:30 I've heard of Tiki. A dancer. A dancer. And we need more of that. I think Miss JJ Watt was a dancer. Well, you know her. Listen, I got to say, JJ Watt, lovely. I love that.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Had a very good experience. I love that for you. I did not know who JJ Watt was. That love that. I had a very good experience. I love that for you. I did not know who J.J. Watt was. That's okay. When it was announced. And I looked at it. It said host J.J. Watt. And I said, is there someone in the culture that I do not know?
Starting point is 00:58:53 And then I said, oh, of course. An athlete. Very, very fun. Very fun person. I'll say this. Hot and could snap me in half if he wanted. Could take my neck and rip my head clear off my body and I'd be fine.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Gonna have to agree on that one. Could break my arm. On him breaking your arm, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so... Just know that I will know it. I wouldn't be upset about it. I'd be happy. Okay, anything else to cover on Super Bowl? I don't think so. Okay. So that's the Super Bowl. Amazing slay. And we should say
Starting point is 00:59:24 that incredible chill inducing moment when she revealed the puerto rican flag oh my god born in the usa incredible cages jlo wins jlo wins um so super bowl was incredible now we've spoken about the grammys a little bit billy ios took over i don't know what to be honest i didn't watch well it was a sad event because that was the day of kobe yes and can i tell you where i was when i found out that kobe bryan was passed away tell me so patrick rogers and i who's become my sister he is and the thing is like i love him we love patrick and we are the house because we have the same last name and he's become a sister yes and so now we have a ritual
Starting point is 01:00:05 where we go to the Wii Spa. Yes. I won't say when we go because then people will follow. I don't know. But I like going to this Wii Spa and we happen to be in the sauna and it's not a cruisy thing.
Starting point is 01:00:20 No, no, no, no. It's just like a nice family oriented thing. No, Chloe was telling me about Wii Spa and how she loves it. Yeah. So Wii Spa is fucking great and we were sitting there and we were in the sauna and we were watching television and it was breaking news that this tragedy had happened with kobe bryant and one of the most iconic men in america yeah and especially in los angeles jesus christ and so watching men los angeles based men, come into the sauna fully naked,
Starting point is 01:00:45 seeing them turn to the screen and realize what was happening, and watching these men nude realize that Kobe Bryant had died was like, there's nothing, I've never seen anything more vulnerable. My God. It was, I'll never forget where I was
Starting point is 01:01:00 when that happened. Oh my God. And we were like gagged. We were like, how does this happen? And so crazy. Yeah. Not to bring it down, but. No, no, no, no, no. It my god. And we were like gagged. We were like, how does this happen? And so crazy. Not to bring it down, but. No, no, no, no, no. It's important. You forget, man. Well, truly. It's an accident.
Starting point is 01:01:12 The thing that I was sort of like taking away from it was that it's just like, for no reason, these things just happen. Yeah, wild. For truly no reason. And it just like speaks to like the fragility of it all. The fact that he like went to church and like. We can't even really. The last tweet was to lebron and it's just like yeah it's like crazy i mean when you get into the specifics of the rest of it it's just too sad so obviously
Starting point is 01:01:33 that was a very very very bad day and um watching the grammys that night like i almost was happy that it was alicia keys like i don't love alicia keys as a grammys host like i i'm i'm over like the let's do good vibes hosting. I think that we should have jokes. I think we should be laughing when we watch those things. Yes, yes, yes. So I don't love her as a host, but you almost that day were like,
Starting point is 01:01:54 it's kind of good, you know, because I think all we need is just to, like, settle into the reality of this and, like, you know, move through it. But that was, that was a crazy evening. That was one where I woke up and was just like, went to the bathroom and just like scroll through my phone.
Starting point is 01:02:12 And I was like, yeah, wait, wait, what? It's crazy. I, I didn't believe it was happening for a while.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Yeah. Yeah. It was weird to be here too, because I, I think I didn't grasp like what an icon he was in Los Angeles. Yeah. Like, Oh my God. I've never cared about basketball, but it's huge. Yeah. Um, too because i i think i didn't grasp like what an icon he was in los angeles yeah like oh i've
Starting point is 01:02:25 never cared about basketball but huge deal yeah um well outside of that the grammys were fun and wait oh this is what i wanted to say yeah demi demi my god now there was just it was the battle of the ballads at this night it felt like which i love loved. Her, Camilla. Okay, the Camilla first man performance, I will actually stab that song. Okay. And I'm gonna have to cry for my father on that one. I'm kind of chilled. You're the first man who truly loved me. I'm a little chilled.
Starting point is 01:02:57 I'm not chilled. I just find it very interesting how, and I'm not saying that it's irredeemable, she's irredeemable, but we've all kind of very quickly moved from the n-word of it all. Right, but here all kind of very quickly moved from the N word of it all. Right, but here's my thing with her and the N word of it all.
Starting point is 01:03:09 It's like, I think that she seemed like someone who culturally was just not aware she could. I don't know about that because the Normani. It's not a Chica Rodriguez thing. The Normani thing. What? Kind of creeps me the fuck out. What happened with that?
Starting point is 01:03:26 The Normani is like on these interviews now being like, yeah, like there were coordinated like online like campaigns, attack campaigns that she kind of like sort of like dog whistled. Normani's out there saying that? I'm butchering it, but Normani's basically been out there. Like when the whole like N-word thing, like the Tumblr thing like came out, like apparently Normani's out there saying that I'm butchering it but like but Normani's basically been out there like when the whole like n word thing like the tumblr thing like came out like apparently Normani was just like yeah I mean I was getting fucking vile shit from Camilla fans and it seemed like it was like from the sort like it was coming from like one place so I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have to stay team Normani on that one I I mean, yeah. I mean, if we're picking.
Starting point is 01:04:05 So I don't know. I mean, not that we're picking. I feel that bums me out because I was really liking Camilla. And there's room to like her. And I'm not saying cancel, cancel, cancel because that's also so absolute and stupid. But it's just like, wait a minute. Well, bottom line is she's still Cinderella. That's the thing too. I'm like, okay., it's just like, wait a minute. Well, bottom line is she's still Cinderella. That's the thing too.
Starting point is 01:04:27 I'm like, okay. And we're like, she's literally, we're like very like casually announcing all these new casting things that are happening with this movie. And yeah, I think it probably would be too much to like do anything with that.
Starting point is 01:04:37 I also think there's a lot of Camilla news that like is, is being like kind of like celebrated, not celebrated. We're just like, cool. My thing too, with the whole first man performance was like, she was singing the song to her dad about how like,
Starting point is 01:04:48 it's time to give me up to the man of my dreams who I've met and I'm with. And it's like, Sean. Okay, here we go. She thinks so. And this is the one y'all. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Whose disease is this? What do we do? Oh, wow. I don't know. Gonna gonna have to pass i'm gonna have to question question that one but anyway um and demi i thought i fucking she won live for her yeah i live for well she fucking slayed the super bowl slayed the super bowl was wide open at the Grammys. Anyone? Anyone? She was giving you the notes, never sounding better. A full gape of a mouth.
Starting point is 01:05:32 The lyrics. The lyrics. I feel stupid when I sing. That is... That's real. Raw. We can't wait to see what she has. We have a lot of respect for her.
Starting point is 01:05:43 A lot of respect. Billie Eilish won approximately 17 Grammys and um slay on silver girl slay on silver girl green girl green girl gonna have to like your bond theme on that one gonna have to love the gucci on that um speaking of music news uh adele weighs eight pounds okay where are you with this i'm sort of like concerned Concerned. Okay. And I'm concerned about the coverage of it because they're literally reaching out to her friends or truly who knows if they're her friends, if they're just fucking acquaintances who are like,
Starting point is 01:06:13 yeah, the divorce was actually really good for her in terms of her body. It's like, shut up. I don't like the whole discourse around it. She definitely has lost a ton of weight. I hope that she's doing it in a healthy way. I just, it's always shocking to me to see such a dramatic weight loss because she
Starting point is 01:06:33 didn't need to, whatever. I hope that she's, I just hope she's happy. That's all. Whenever, whenever I see someone whose appearance has drastically changed and you know they've had a hard time,
Starting point is 01:06:44 I just say, hope they're happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And it doesn't rule it out. Right. And just. It doesn't rule out that it's all buttressed by like good stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:54 By like healthy behaviors. Looking forward to the music. Looking forward to the music. And when the narrative can be about the music again. Sure. And she leaked that it's coming out in September. Yeah, which we love. Which we love.
Starting point is 01:07:05 And I've been listening to Skyfall a lot because of the Billie song coming out and I'm still in love with Skyfall. A classic. I love it. A classic song. I mean, her voice is hauntingly court. I mean, and that's why you have best original song
Starting point is 01:07:18 is for the Skyfall years, for your shallow years. For your Skyfalls. So listen, speaking of moments. Moments. What a transition. What a segue. Jamila. Oh, I thought you were going to go somewhere else.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Jamila girl. We got to talk about Jamila girl. Okay, so let's just try and wrap this up in as tight a bow as possible. Jamila Jamil literally seconds after the good place ends has revealed her full crazy she gets announced
Starting point is 01:07:52 as a like MC and like head judge on this voguing show on HBO Max
Starting point is 01:07:59 apparently the first press release was wrong because it said she was the MC so she comes out yeah but how was the press release from HBO Max itself wrong? So then she comes,
Starting point is 01:08:09 so then she gets all this flack for not being this queer person who is like the face of this voguing show, this ballroom show. And then the next sort of day, yeah, this sort of whipsaw to this is that she says, I'm allowed to do this because I'm queer.
Starting point is 01:08:25 And I wish it wasn't like this. And I wish it didn't come to this. So that. So that. And then she corrected. JK, I'm queer. She corrected the press release too by saying, I'm not the MC, I'm the head judge.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Which honestly doesn't make a difference to me. It makes less sense because there's no reason she should be judging it. If she were a presenter of it, well, that's no reason she should be judging it if she were a presenter of it well that's something that she does like you don't necessarily need to have know-how about the voguing and ball scene sure if you're the host but to be a judge and then to correct and be like no no i'm not the host i'm just a judge that's not anyway that that's really annoying but she can't have her cake and eat it too where she's going um i'm queer i'm allowed to do this but then she also goes but i'm also not part of this
Starting point is 01:09:11 ballroom scene and so that actually makes me an entry point for other people who aren't into who aren't into voguing as well it's like okay so then either you're standing with the queer sort of shade of this or you're just yeah being i don't know it's like she's like i'm gonna say anything and of course it makes sense and you're like but wait it feels like a gas lady on like a mass level and then do you see her get into it with trace lisette no i didn't see this okay so trace lisette tweets that she was up for all the same shit that Jamila was up for and didn't get it despite actually being a house mother from the ball scene and like a true queen from that scene, like authentically from that culture. And she was like, well, I auditioned for this shit and didn't get it. So this is weird.
Starting point is 01:10:03 And Jamila responded to Trace and be like, hey, babe, I think what you auditioned for was this, not this. We were in up for the same thing. And she goes, no, girl, I know what I auditioned for. Also, I don't need to audition to be a house mother. I am one, so et cetera. This is like step back.
Starting point is 01:10:17 She said her absolutely right. Love that. But then the cuckoo-ness about the parade of illnesses and diseases and accidents she said she's had. Oh, I see. I fully disengaged and checked out at this point. If I stare too long at this kind of thing, it just stares back. What is this? She's got a bunch of diseases?
Starting point is 01:10:40 She's like, I've had cancer a million times. I was hit. No. She talks about things that are happening in her mouth. You got it. got a bunch of diseases she's like i've had cancer a million times i was hit it's like she's like talks about like things that are happening you got it if you search it there's like instagram threads where they collect all of the things that she has said about herself and things that she's gone through and they put them all together and it's shocking no this is viscerally upsetting and the thing is like she's like come after the people that are like reporting on it or like talking about it um and been like how dare you how dare you how dare you and i'm like how come no part of the narrative here isn't you saying i know it's crazy all these things have
Starting point is 01:11:14 happened to me but it's true like there's no call out of like how it's an insane amount of things to happen to one person it's just her presenting it all as fact and saying, yep, it's true, and if you believe me, if you don't believe me, you are insane. And it's like, no, girl, if this stuff has all happened to you, that is wild. You should be studied. You should be studied. As the
Starting point is 01:11:38 unluckiest woman in the world. Oh, my God. As opposed to Shakira. Gonna have to raise an eyebrow on that one. Ms. Jamila. Listen. That. It's tough.
Starting point is 01:11:52 It's tough. It's like clearly this person needs a resource. Reach out. Reach out. That's what we'll say about that. All right. Let's talk about the two or actually three three netflix moments okay here we go circle which i'm still i've only i'm only
Starting point is 01:12:12 on episode two of so i think you have not watched the circle and i have not watched cheer okay great so then let's let's just educate each other so you educate me on the circle the circle i think is an incredible important reality show on netflix that has gotten the closest to satirizing and examining social social media in terms of uh entertainment the artifice of it the artifice of it and what we can get away with and what people um people's fears are about social media and what people's like advantages are on social media based on their real personality. It's very interesting, and I really like it,
Starting point is 01:12:49 and I think it ends very satisfying. Oh, great. I should finish it. Yeah. Because right now, I'm just having a hard time with them being like, hey, private message, Mercedes. We should form an alliance.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Love you, girl. It's just like, wait, this isn't how people talk, but then that's the whole point. So basically, you have to get through those first few episodes because the people that are bad at playing the game sort of get weeded out and therefore it becomes all people that are good at it or authentically
Starting point is 01:13:13 being themselves and are getting played by it. And that's when it gets interesting. That's genius. And we love that show. We love that show. Now tell me about Cheer. Because I tried and... Oh, I loved... Was it the Trump stuff? Was it like the Texas stuff at all?
Starting point is 01:13:27 A little bit of that and also I don't like seeing the girls get hurt. Yeah. Well, it ends up not even being gender specific by the end. It's like everybody gets hurt.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Anyway, Cheer is this documentary series on Netflix that I'm sure a lot of you have seen by these, I think one or two great sports documentarians. cheer is this documentary series on Netflix that I'm sure a lot of you have seen, uh, by these, uh, I think one or two great sports documentarians,
Starting point is 01:13:49 um, who have gone on record to say that they, that the Navarro cheer team is comprised of the hardest working athletes, the most intense athletes they've ever seen. Yeah. Um, and this is a real cultural moment. Real cool.
Starting point is 01:14:00 I mean, yeah, it's something about like the way that these narratives sort of were told and spun out, and it all builds up towards Tona, towards Daytona. Tona. Tona. And the stakes are all so intricately and elegantly laid. Monica Aldama is this wonderful mogul of a woman
Starting point is 01:14:21 who has led this team to victory so many times and really nurtures them but also keeps them at an arm's length and it's just so interesting and her leadership style is so interesting and also what Josh Sharp has pointed out to me which I love is that and what some of our readers probably have picked up on is that it
Starting point is 01:14:37 sort of kind of Trojan horse's black queerness in this very cool way that it's just like it's so it's a junior college where everyone goes there just for the sports the athletics of the ball but yeah i mean these like black cheerleaders these guys who like go to the school because like monica has like seen them or something um or they get yeah they get scouted or they just go and they try out for it jerry harris ladarius i forget his last name but um sort of like the two like stars Tay Tay we can't forget Tay Tay
Starting point is 01:15:05 but they are all I mean it all sort of like is a way to sort of like show America because I mean sheer it's like Republicans want to see it because it's like Texas and there's a lot of Texas DNA in it and then liberals want to see it because it's like oh it's like dance music
Starting point is 01:15:21 I mean it's like there's something for everybody there's an entry point for everybody which is kind of I think why it became such a moment it's great it's like dance music I mean it's like there's something for everybody there's an entry point for everybody which is kind of I think why it became such a moment it's great it's so good I mean the last episode is the nail biter of all nail biters
Starting point is 01:15:30 really so good I'll check it out it picks up after I would say the third episode I think that I was watching the circle and the
Starting point is 01:15:38 and so I didn't I tried to watch cheer but I felt like it was gonna demand a lot of time for me and because I also was watching at the same time goop labs okay now talk to me but i've only seen the um the shrooms episode the
Starting point is 01:15:50 shrooms episode is the first episode and then the second and third episodes i feel like are like the ones uh-huh so the second episode deals with cold water plunge therapy yes have you heard of this i've heard of this fascinating yes so there's this like guy who suffered a personal tragedy and then he started this movement of like cold water. I don't know. He picked it up somewhere, but now it's like he's like a guru of plunging yourself in cold water, like drive your maladies away. Yes. Fascinating. Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:14 And then Gwyneth like has her like very thin employees go with him. Yes, yes. Then the third episode is about female orgasm. Yes. And fascinating episode. with a specific doctor with this 90 year old woman who looks 55 right who is like passionate about all women achieving orgasms and like not being afraid of themselves down there yes yes and there's a sequence where you see 10 different vulvas and they talk about how many women believe that they're deformed because pornography has made it
Starting point is 01:16:47 so impossible to like see yourself. Yes, yes. And you know, so I thought it was really, this is where Goop Labs to me got really useful. I was like, well, I'm happy that women are seeing this because I think it will alert some women to the fact that like they're not deformed because they don't like a porn star.
Starting point is 01:17:03 So that's when the show I think is powerful. When it's not powerful is when the show becomes about dieting and it's trying to normalize gwyneth paltrow's diet of like deprivation and it's not healthy the way that those women try to keep their bodies in shape i mean it's and all there's not a lot of awareness about the whole ethos of goop is like pseudoscience bullshit right right and they do say like in the beginning of every episode where there's like a medical moment they're like please see a doctor this would not be endorsed by any medical profession yeah they like are accountable in that way right like you're still showing that it's aspirational and yeah such a 50 50 show for me where it's like it definitely is i enjoyed it and i think i think gwyneth like comes off like kind of interesting and even more compelling like on well gwyneth is
Starting point is 01:17:51 a star when it's a star but it's triggering it's a triggering show and i would i would imagine that it's very hard for a lot of people to watch yes and like and fuck i'd say it to gwyneth's damn face yeah yeah but she knows she knows so that our little Netflix moment. Now, here's the thing. Speaking of gay icons. We met one. We met one. On separate occasions. On separate occasions.
Starting point is 01:18:13 We talked about each other to them. Yeah. We're talking about RuPaul. Talking about RuPaul. Matt, you were on What's the Tea? I was on What's the Tea in truly one of the craziest days of my life. And I got to say, surreal for an outside person to listen to. I spent about three hours through Paul.
Starting point is 01:18:33 And can you talk? He asked me in this, well, we had a meeting. We had a meeting, which was insane. And then during the meeting, he was like, you got to come be on my podcast because we were hitting it off. So I went and did the podcast, which you can listen listen to my episode of what's the tea surreal just to be sitting there with rue and have talking to him interested in my life at all and i was talking to him and i was like wow like this is truly insane like to get to the point where like truly one of my idols you're heroes yeah yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:19:03 i think like you know like probably him and like Kelly and like Mariah right I like the people that I would and we I'd have to talk to rule about Mariah and you guys like went like on an album by album my god run breakdown just like I got chills fagging out with rue about
Starting point is 01:19:19 Mariah Carey like I mean you guys really ran the gamut there in terms of the biography of Matt Rodgers because he talked about Katrina for a long time. It was so crazy. I felt like we really got a chance to get to know each other. You're both good at this, but you're both good at facilitating
Starting point is 01:19:36 those meaningful nuggets out of each other. Truly wild. And then I didn't know at the time that he was going to go do SNL, but when I found that out, I was like, oh my God, like you're going to have that moment with him too. And then you got to do that incredible sketch with him.
Starting point is 01:19:50 Yeah. You want me to talk about my experience with him? Yeah, tell me. I really haven't gotten to talk to you about it. Compare notes. I mean, Rue notes. Sudi tells me that he's hosting over Christmas. I was like, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:20:04 Yeah. And whatever. And so all this anticipation builds up and then Monday pitch you know we all wait outside Lauren's office and we go in and then you know the door opens and people file in and then normally it's like very quiet and everyone's just very like
Starting point is 01:20:18 respectable and polite and sits down and whatever and the host just sits there quietly and like nods at people coming in and it's great but the door opens and people start filing in and R host just sits there quietly and like nods at people coming in and it's great but the door opens and people start filing in and Rue just goes hey kitty girl oh hey squirrel friend like just like starts to like enthusiastically greet people like
Starting point is 01:20:34 hi oh I love just like people you have to understand the energy the in-person energy is real it's real and then me and Allison Gates like stop in our tracks we hear like Rue Rue's voice coming out of the room. And we're just like, and I turned to her and I was like, I can't go in there. I was like, this is crazy to me.
Starting point is 01:20:52 It's shocking for people that actually get the Ru thing. Yes. Yeah. So I walk. And so then we finally walk in and then Ru sees me and goes, Faye Dunaway. And then the whole room is like, ah! Oh my God. That was the first of many communal,
Starting point is 01:21:06 like, room reactions of like, oh! Because then he sees, because then he starts, because then there's this moment where everyone sits down and like the room like settles
Starting point is 01:21:14 and he's just like, oh my God, you, I know you, and I know you. And then he points to 80 way in the back, he goes,
Starting point is 01:21:20 and you! And then 80 goes, ah! And then everyone in the room screams and like laughs and giggles. It was this infectious, carbonated energy. And it was the funnest pitch ever. We all walk out.
Starting point is 01:21:32 And Colin's like, well, that was the funnest pitch I've ever been a part of. It was joyful, joyful. And then the next day he comes in, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're pitching him stuff, more stuff. And first he met with, uh, Tom Campbell, his friend,
Starting point is 01:21:50 the guy who came up with drag race was kind of there. I've met Tom. Yes. He's wonderful. Yeah. Um, was, was,
Starting point is 01:21:56 was his pal. Uh, the whole time after the Emmys. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and we sat down, so Rue and Tom sit down with me and Ego. And Eggo and Rue hit it off.
Starting point is 01:22:06 Love that. Just gangbusters. So fun. And then Rue is like, well, I can do this character. I can do an Australian accent. And then he turns to me and he goes, Brizzy, you were born in Brizzy, Brisbane. Like he knew shit about me.
Starting point is 01:22:19 So I'm guessing he probably had read the New York Times article. He read the article. And then I brought you up. I was like, you're, what's the T episode with my best friend in the world? Matt Rogers just came out. He's like,
Starting point is 01:22:31 he, me, and Sudi are like a trio, and like, blah, blah, blah. He was like,
Starting point is 01:22:35 yes, I loved him. It was just so, so like, was just like, just softened as soon as like I mentioned you, and he was like, yes,
Starting point is 01:22:42 just very fondly like thought of you. But seeing Rue and Eggo like hit it off, I was i was like this is gonna be a good week for them oh yeah and it it absolutely ego got two sketches on did thirsty cops with him it was beautiful beautiful and then and then me and james were working on had this coal miners idea we were like we wanted to do some dynasty like parody for the longest time we're like well rue's perfect for it and then like i texted james on monday i was like maybe like maybe we're coal miners like something super like blue collar and gritty uh and he was like i love that and so then james and i meet with rue in a different meeting that night it was just four fucking gay men squawk me james tom brew squawking fucking quoting
Starting point is 01:23:19 fucking you know liz taylor and Kim Novak like throwing shade at each other Diane Carroll Joe Collins it was so so so fun and I was just like this
Starting point is 01:23:33 I was like and so that's when I started like I was putting pressure on myself the whole time I would imagine I was like this this never happens
Starting point is 01:23:40 yeah even though I'm like on my second year here it's like I know that this is so rare not a lot of career hosts not a lot of career hosts i was like this is so like infectious and this is the week to like go like yeah like fire on all cylinders and so i stayed there on tuesday night till like 6 a.m longer than i've ever stayed ever just writing writing writing um went home
Starting point is 01:24:04 wednesday was a great table read. And then like throughout the course of the week, like things just kind of fell through. And then the coal miner sketch got cut for time. And that really just bummed me out. And that was a lesson. It was a lesson where I was like, I both allowed myself to be bummed out
Starting point is 01:24:19 because it was like this, there's not gonna be another host of Rue until Rue comes back. And then, so I allowed myself to be disappointed, but Rue until Rue comes back. And then, so I allowed myself to be disappointed, but then I also was like, you know, like this is,
Starting point is 01:24:29 this is a lesson. This is, I'm not going to internalize this in any bitter way, but I'm just going to like, know this feeling and just sort of like, let it sort of enrich my whole like. And ultimately you are slaying that show. I was just like,
Starting point is 01:24:44 I just, I mean, we can say you're doing really well. I was just like, I just... I mean, we can say you're doing really well. I just put a lot of pressure on myself because it was Rue. Yeah, of course. That's all it was. But you can't. I mean, it had nothing to do with it. I know.
Starting point is 01:24:54 It's just bad luck. It's just bad luck. And then the week... It's still that job. It's still fucking hard. Totally. And then the week before with Miss Watt, Miss JJ Watt, wrote a sketch that fucking slayed a table
Starting point is 01:25:05 and then bombed a dress. And of course it got cut and I was not surprised, but that was, but then I told myself after that, I was not too upset. I was like, you know what? That was like the full, like that was the biggest gap I could have experienced where something killed, killed, killed a table,
Starting point is 01:25:19 bombed, no laughs, silent a dress. I was like, it's not going to get any worse than that. Like that chasm is not going to get any bigger. Like the difference. And like, now I know what that feels like. And I can just like move, move about my life. But then the next week with Rue was just like, I just put so much pressure on myself. And then I was, my body was falling apart by the end of it.
Starting point is 01:25:35 I was like, I got to like, yeah. And then you guys were off the next week. And then we're off the next week. And then, and then, and then now I'm here. But anyway, that was a long, that was a lot of Rue. No, but I mean, the fact that Rue came into both of our lives around the same time. That was so wild. And truly was so easy to talk to.
Starting point is 01:25:52 Yeah, I couldn't believe it. And also, the first time we sat down and it was like a meeting. So I said, how are you? And he goes, I don't see how that's any of your business. And I laughed and I was like,'re 100 right so it's not and i'm bad for asking no and then he laughed and he was like i do that to everyone and i was like yeah and i'm basically like i think he i don't know it's like i would you would imagine that people a lot of people probably are like weird around him like sure of course i'm what i'm so sorry i
Starting point is 01:26:20 asked yeah yeah yeah yeah and he's just like a goof he doesn't take life too seriously which we love etc we love we know this um um we i want to talk well we talked a little bit about rue rue so now we should talk about i have uh news i have theme park news bone and i went to disneyland the other day to try to get on rise of the resistance we did not get on bowen has not done rise of the resistance at disney it's all right i have done it and have my review come on gag gag girl gonna have to ride that one gonna have to get on that one gonna have to enjoy that one gonna have to say there's ray on that one gonna have to get very scared of kylo ren on that one gonna have to do a little drop on that one gonna have to get my
Starting point is 01:27:02 life on that one oh my god gonna have to get very or get there very early in the drop on that one. Gonna have to get my life on that one. Oh my God. Gonna have to get there very early in the morning on that one. So I was at Walt Disney World after we were in Puerto Vallarta. I went with my boyfriend, Jared. And he could not wake up early enough. So then you went by yourself? I went by myself. Was it the same system where you book a boarding? Yes i was literally i was there at literally 6 30 in the morning and i got yeah park opens at well that park opened that day at like seven oh god so i ended up getting
Starting point is 01:27:35 there getting a boarding group because it's like get to the park sign in to get a yeah yeah maybe you get on the ride it's insane it's It's crazy. I got on it. Wow. The whole thing is like 21 minutes long. I love that. There's like three different pre-shows. All the characters are there. Like Galaxy's Edge, I've been saying kind of sucks
Starting point is 01:27:52 because like where are the characters? Where's the fun? The Millennium Falcon ride sucks. Rise of the Resistance makes the whole thing. Wow. You gotta. I mean like it's so good. Really try to go.
Starting point is 01:28:02 And Bowen and I were there the other day at 8 a.m. when the park opened in Disneyland and we still did not get on the other day at 8 a.m. when the park opened to Disneyland and we still did not get on it we got there at 7.45 the park opened to 8 we still didn't get on
Starting point is 01:28:10 truly crazy but we went to Galaxy's Edge and I gotta say you're saying where are the characters we literally saw Ray and Chewie
Starting point is 01:28:16 but that was like not that's not the norm that's not the norm yeah but anyway this ride is I saw Stormtroopers I was like oh bitch I'm there
Starting point is 01:28:23 this ride is the next level I can't wait this ride is the next saw Stormtroopers. I was like, oh, bitch, I'm there. This ride is the next level. I can't wait. This ride is the next level. Someday I will. It's so good. And you gasped many times. And I feel bad that we went. And then you couldn't go on it.
Starting point is 01:28:32 But we'll get you on it. I'm not quite Rogers level in my devotion to the parks. Had to give my update on that one. And I just want to say, to wrap things up, there's a development coming okay and you may have been seeing yes the quibi of it all oh what now quibi quibi quick bites quick bites is an app y'all that's going to be like a streaming service netflix for apps yes but it is all eight to ten minute episodes.
Starting point is 01:29:05 Netflix for apps. Roughly. And I have a show coming out on it that Bowen is on. Called Game Show. It's called Game Show. And I'm going to be talking about this on the podcast. Because I want the readers to download Quibi. I support this.
Starting point is 01:29:17 You've got to download Quibi. Because I think Game Show could pop off if you guys support. It's very good. Very fun. And we'll talk more about it, but the Quibi of it all is something that's happening in the culture and I had to mention. And we saw it on Oscars night when every other ad was Quibi.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Oh, and the Super Bowl. And the Super Bowl. And there's going to be more coming. But listen. There is more Quibi news to be announced in both of our lives. Oh, honey. Just you wait.
Starting point is 01:29:47 But anyway, that was our culture catch-up and we are going to do I Don't Think So, Honey. Because it is an episode of Las Culturistas after all. Let's go. Let's go. Just so you guys know, if you guys are just joining us here on our new family, our new home,
Starting point is 01:30:02 We are Las Culturistas, and we do a segment, one segment called I Don't Think So Honey, which is we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture. We also do live shows. Bowen and I are going to announce some live shows soon, probably in New York and Los Angeles. No promises, but we are really looking forward
Starting point is 01:30:23 to getting back on the road and doing more i don't think so honeys because they are our favorite thing they are our favorite thing and just to i might as well sort of make a little statement on this um a lot of the touring cities that we went to last year the recordings um ended up sort of at one stage or another being compromised or unusable and it ended up ultimately being a network issue where they didn't publish them, even though they had the audio. I mean, that's just what it is.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Yeah. So if you're looking for those episodes to come out, unfortunately, I don't think they were going to come out. And it truly breaks my heart. It was a bummer. I actually lose sleep over it because there's shows where all, every one of those shows.
Starting point is 01:31:05 Yeah. And we just want to let everyone know, like, it wasn't because any like city wasn't like a good show. They were all such good shows. And we were so excited to have every single one of them on the podcast. And it just didn't happen. But, you know, we're sorry about that. If you were a performer on one of our shows that didn't get published. But we promise. We're excited about it. But we were a performer on one of our shows that didn't get published, and you were excited about it,
Starting point is 01:31:26 but you killed. So let me just quickly, quickly, quickly, quickly shout out all of those cities very quickly. So Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Vancouver, Boston, Philly, D.C., Dallas, Houston. I'm sorry, D.C. and Houston.
Starting point is 01:31:42 We ended up canceling Dallas. We're so sorry. But we will be back and all the shows were so much fun and we had a true blast and so we'll be back very soon we'll be back okay but this is I don't think so honey Matt I have one do you have one I do have one okay why don't you start this
Starting point is 01:31:58 one okay cool okay this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so honey that everyone I've ever hooked up with in my life gets uh literally the hottest um face and body two and a half years later oh this is a phenomenon that is happening to just me unfortunately i have an affliction where i am sort of like dane cook and good luck chuck but instead of getting married you get an incredible face and body that you did not have prior um this does not go to this is not saying that you were not attractive at the time it's just that after you hook up with me
Starting point is 01:32:29 approximately 24 months later you will be the hottest person of all time a model like linda evangelista i don't think so honey that this is happening i don't like that i am magic but i am i'm sort of like harry houdini and will me one day. Of course, Harry Houdini famously and incorrectly died in a magic accident. Yes. I support people becoming hot in their life, but it frustrates me. I think we should time this out better. If you're going to hook up with me,
Starting point is 01:33:00 you should be hot now. I promise to stay the same seven that that i am now and that's one minute so you better not hook up with matt unless you're at your fucking peak well i feel like here's the thing it's just frustrating because some some like i'll see someone i hooked up with like in outside of the year 2011 and i see them now and i'm like oh you are um you've made a deal with the devil okay i want to know. We can bleep this out? I'll tell you off mic.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Okay, tell me off mic. But literally, I just scrolled through my phone, and it's like, maybe this is just the disease of Instagram, and everyone's just posting only good photos of them, but it's shocking what happens when you hook up with me, because years later in your life, you will be Sal a Hayek beautiful. I know that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:46 And that's the, that's the end. That's the end point. Anyway, that's my, I don't think so. I love that. I'm sorry,
Starting point is 01:33:52 but you know what? You're in a beautiful relationship now. Yes. And I love my man. That's good. And I am. And I love with him. That's good.
Starting point is 01:34:02 I remain so, so, so, I just said I'm in love with him. And you go, that's good i remain so so i just said i'm in love with him and you go that's good that's great i'm really happy for you oh fuck um help me i well i basically oh well actually i should have done my i don't think so honey to raya who still pop you on the goddamn wait list oh and let's we have our theories about why yeah well i'm very upset they waitlisted me they they are we're still waitlisting me and miss phoebe robinson is she still waitlisted well she was waitlisted for a while well now she's got in a
Starting point is 01:34:36 great relationship now she's in a great relationship but um you know yeah something's going on something might be going on there raya i don't know um but anyway this is bowen yanks i don't think so yes and the thing about bowen yanks i don't think so on there, Raya. I don't know. But anyway, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. And the thing about Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey is his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, the casual way
Starting point is 01:34:52 we are talking about coronavirus. I mean, it's both being sensationalized to completely, completely be driven by, it's capitalizing on fear and it's also in this weird way,
Starting point is 01:35:06 like twisting it where it's like, okay, but's capitalizing on fear. And it's also in this weird way, like twisting it where it's like, okay, but the casualties that are happening all across Asia don't really matter. And it's completely trivial. Literally. My cousin is in Wuhan right now. He's a journalist. He went with a bunch of doctors from Liaoning. 30 seconds.
Starting point is 01:35:19 He is at risk and it's really shaken up my family. And it's like, Oh yeah. So you guys should all just fucking remember that there are real fucking human beings who are going into these insane insane insane environments and settings and putting their lives
Starting point is 01:35:34 on the line to like try to fix this it's gonna get a little worse before it gets better but I promise and I hope and I pray that it will all end soon but you guys have to stop casually like making fucking jokes about like wearing dumb face masks and shit. And like,
Starting point is 01:35:47 it's so sad to me. That's one minute. And truly this is weird, but like, it's tough to like bring this up in certain settings where I would, you would think that like the humanity wouldn't be lost on certain people, but it's, it so is.
Starting point is 01:36:04 And like, yeah, the humanity wouldn't be lost on certain people but it so is and like yeah close friends of mine just are we're just are so quick to like again trivialize it and i'm like you guys yeah well it's racism and it's it's i don't i believe that for a lot of people it's not conscious racism but that's racism it's ingrained and so basically because this is happening in a world where like we said before it's the reason why you know this is very trivial to mention in the same breath as this but it's like why we're not recognizing like people from the parasite cast who should be it's because there is a facelessness and when it's part of western culture is you completely wash out and dehumanize that part of the world. There's something that goes on in like the sort of colonized brain, let's say, where
Starting point is 01:36:47 you just don't register an Asian face like dying or being a good actor. Right. It's why, honestly, it's why the attacks, the atom bombs, that's why it's like, we don't talk about it. It's like, we nuked. Yes. And here's the fucking thing. I'm gonna get
Starting point is 01:37:03 fucking real for just a quick little second. The people who fucking say that all I do is play Asian characters on SNL, it probably has to do with the fact that I'm Asian, but the fact that you guys think that all I do is play Asian characters as a joke means that you think that being Asian is an unusual character trait. So it collapses down to you seeing me on screen and going, well, that person's weird because they're Asian, I guess,
Starting point is 01:37:32 and that's all that this person can do. Fuck off. It is a bad faith thought for you to, it's just a bad faith argument for you to think, well, Bowen doesn't have the range, but that's because you're selectively choosing to look at the parts where it has happened to have, like the characters that I play
Starting point is 01:37:51 have happened to do with my race. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yes, of course it does. I think that there's a lot of examination that could happen right now in this moment. And I really think that like like it it's it's sometimes like it feels like there's an opportunity right now for people to step back and not feel like attacked or offended because like these things are being called out
Starting point is 01:38:19 but it's like you these things need to be examined and my words because it's it's it's it's very real what bowen is saying and my words examine them yeah's, it's, it's, it's very real. What Bowen is saying. And my words examine that. Yeah. So as I've said to miss Matt Rogers, but I, when I needed to examine this, this is,
Starting point is 01:38:31 this is, but also I want to make clear, uh, I mean, I'm basically past it. I'm a little deader inside than I was before. And so it's not really getting to me anymore. I'm truly that.
Starting point is 01:38:41 Well, you left Twitter. I left people are insane. But my, but my sort of the thing that i keep reminding myself going forward is i'm like oh well people out there have septic tanks for brains right right right and it's not my business to like try to like mold that poop water into like actual gray matter yeah yeah yeah look anyway the world the world she cray she cray
Starting point is 01:39:03 and gonna have to keep my distance gonna have to keep my distance from that one. Gonna have to keep my distance on that one. I'm gonna have to call out that one. Gonna have to call out that one. But the good news is Las Culturistas is back to give you a healthy mix of what is football and fuck you for being racist. That's true. Those are truly the two poles of this show.
Starting point is 01:39:24 We're so happy to be back. So happy back. So excited poles of this show we're so happy to be back so happy back so excited to be back we're so we're on fire we're on fire we love
Starting point is 01:39:32 love love our new friends at iHeart our new family at iHeart we really do and we have a very good feeling about this
Starting point is 01:39:38 oh we've got such good episodes coming up too let's just say that the episodes upcoming baby we got Nicole Byer. We got Gabe Bleedman.
Starting point is 01:39:47 We got Aidy Bryant and Jimmy Fowley. So that's your next month. And maybe, just maybe, Bowen and I will stick a couple of these solo episodes in there. Oh. I think that it would feel good to hear us get a little bit topical every now and then. I like that. I just like the tone of these is a little more looser yes and we love the culture
Starting point is 01:40:08 catch-up and we love the enjoy doing them sometimes during speaking and exchanging cultural ideas with my friend you can you can stumble upon truths you didn't know that you felt i love that beautifully put gonna have to reword that one gonna have no, gonna have to confirm the wording on that one. Love, lock it in on that one. Here's the thing. We end up with a song. We end every episode with a song.
Starting point is 01:40:33 R-E-S-P-E-C-T Find a word to mean it to me R-E-S-P-E-C-T Take a T-C-T It's true! We didn't even talk about the Jennifer Hudson and Aretha trailer. It's good. We'll talk about it. Bye. Bye.
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