Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gonna Have To Listen To That One" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
Episode Date: March 4, 2020On this episode— which marks the return of Las Culturistas!!!🎶 Grlooo!🎶— Matt and Bowen are doing a lil’ Culture Catch-Up! Lots of good culture has happened upon our planet, and Matt and B...ow have takes on all of it: New Gaga, the sweeps at both the Oscars and the Grammys, the iconic Super Bowl halftime show, Cheer, The Circle, Goop Labs, and so much god damn more. Plus, the boys discuss how they are devolving at the hands of an Aretha Franklin-meme, deep-dive on their respective interactions with RuPaul (!!!) and walk through The Rules of Football, once and for all! And I Don’t Think So Honey’s that will make you examine. your. self!!! Remember to subscribe to Las Culturistas right here on iHeart Radio! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Look man. Look, Matt.
Where?
Oh, I see.
Wow.
Bowen, look over there.
Wow.
Is that culture?
Yes.
Oh, my goodness.
Wow.
Las Culturistas.
Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling.
Wow.
Wow.
I feel truly unmuzzled, and I feel like a lightness.
Do you?
Honestly, it feels very good.
To be back.
To be back.
So we're just going to get down to brass tacks.
Yes.
We've already recorded a couple episodes.
And they're good, y'all.
And they're good at our new home here at iHeart.
iHeart, baby.
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This is where we're at.
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Everyone here is the best.
Is the best.
Engineer Doug is in there slaying it.
Engineer Doug is slaying it.
Head of content Hans.
Yes, head of content Hans.
Slaying it.
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Absolutely incredible.
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I'm so sorry.
And that's the thing is actually,
it's rule of culture number 10.
Executive producer Anna.
I mean.
That was disrespectful of me.
Very disrespectful.
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The snacks in the fridge
stalked the house down boots.
Oh, yeah.
And there's string cheese.
String cheese.
Which is fatal for me, actually.
Not because I have anything against that.
I just mean once I start, I can't stop.
It's like that thing you pop.
Yeah, like the Pringles.
It's exactly like that.
You know, for me, you know what the thing is for me?
What?
The baby bells.
Those little cheese desks.
Yeah, they're freakishly addictive.
So addictive.
And they really revisit me at my most vulnerable times.
I had no idea what they even were until I came to LA and started working in writer's rooms.
And they're like a fixture there. Yeah.
These baby bells and they pop off.
And they pop off. And you look at
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That's actually rule of culture number 19.
Yeah. It's like riding a bike.
Once you figure it out,
you're doing it.
Okay.
We should bring everyone up to speed.
All the readers speed on our new home.
So yeah,
I mean, we weren't kidding when we told you we weren't sure where we were going to
land after our last episode.
It took a lot of thought to just figure out where our new home was going to
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but we happy and we're recording in Los Angeles right now.
So we've answered the question that you picked two yeah that we floated to everyone we decided that it is best for my sister bowen and i to be
in the same city looking at each other in the damn eyes and we record we don't want to be
trifling with this across the country wait what did you say can you say that again nonsense i
yeah we lost we lost matt we can make the commitment to fly to each other.
Yes.
Like you have made the commitment this time,
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And you will do it in kind.
And we backlog mother.
And we backlog mother,
but that's not to say it won't always be topical.
Yeah.
No.
I think this episode,
this is our fun little return.
Yeah.
Reunion.
We're going to talk about some culture that we've missed.
We basically have been having a pain in our stomachs hearts and brains because we haven't been able to talk about all
the culture that's been happening and i just want to say one one thing before we um begin the
episode i have to say something i'm very angry at some listeners oh and readers okay because they
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This is the thing.
It's meaningful when you make the decision
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I see, I'm genuinely hurting.
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Truly, this is our life.
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I have missed this so much.
Yeah, me too.
I really gotta say.
So anyway, I'm not actually mad.
We're not actually mad.
And we're doing this episode especially for everyone.
We're gonna do a culture catch-up.
Culture catch-up.
Culture catch-up.
I mean, if you want to know our thoughts on on the things that
we've missed in the last nine ten weeks yeah um a lot's happened a lot has actually happened it's
actually been an incredible time for culture yes in both negative and positive ways of course the
world continues to absolutely burn but there's been some real moments of coach that have shown
through that have cut through the terror yeah Yeah. I mean, there's,
and I have some stuff to say about some of the terror going on.
Oh yeah.
Some of the fear that's being,
you know,
spread.
It's great to know that you have something to say.
I have something to say about it.
I think we look to you.
You look,
everyone looks to me.
So I think that if we're going to start this culture catch up.
Yeah.
I,
I would personally move that.
We just dive into one topic head on okay
i have a connection to and you have a connection to taylor taylor her name is taylor swift taylor
swift and she actually she burst back onto the scene with a netflix documentary it's called miss
americana miss americana with the accompanying single only Only the Young. Only the Young.
And I just want to throw it to Bowen.
Yes.
Your review of Miss Americana, how did you feel?
What were you thinking? You know, it's really stuck with me.
Wow.
An effective, effective documentary, I would say.
Very specific.
Yeah.
Very specific window into like her life in a way that feels intentional.
You could tell that she...
I thought back to that conversation
that she has with her dad.
It's Taylor and her mom sitting next to each other
and they're trying to convince Taylor's father
that she should post this...
Endorsement.
Of the Tennessee of it all, the Senate race.
The Senate race of it all.
Very moving, very effective,
but then it's like,
oh, but then they know
that there's cameras in front of them.
And do you know what I mean?
And we can talk about this
and I'm sure you have something to say about that.
But it's like,
I am holding two sort of
multitudinous thoughts in my head
where it's like,
I enjoyed it.
I gave a nice glimpse into her process
and sort of her struggles and
she has a very particular set of struggles yeah but then it's also like i also see it as like a
very very sort of um cleverly timed pr move as well yeah i mean every single thing she does i
always think of as being calculated but also i actually okay i think it's fine it's fine and
that's like part of being a
huge brand because of course you're going to calculate your moves of course and the thing
but just fine and like you have to calculate your moves when you when everything that you do is
scrutinized and i also thought to myself throughout the documentary watching i'm like well she's on
camera she's on camera i'm like yeah she knows she's on camera she knows yeah it's like of course
she's gonna know she's on camera and every time i reminded myself like well you know don't believe
this all the way because you know she's it's a documentary and she's putting it out and it's part
of her brand i'm like yeah blah blah blah it's like also you have to give her she is also a human
being yes in addition to being a brand i really thought it made a lot of sense to me that she had
sort of a light it made a lot of sense to me that she felt like frozen in time by the kanye yes
that must have been freakish.
And also constant reminders about what happened with the Dixie Chicks when they made a political statement.
Now, of course, you want to think of yourself that if you ever get in a position of power and you're able to make a political statement that you will do the right thing.
Right.
But culturally and financially, she's in an extremely different situation and
so she had seen it really not work out for someone where it was a similar situation and so
i thought that it really tracked narratively to see she was frozen in time by the kanye thing
that freaked her the fuck out and she could never get a real control on like a good narrative now
because to this day it's like this because the ground
keeps shifting underneath her and it's still a kanye taylor versus taylor thing to this day
which is nuts she never asked for it yeah until she did likely um yeah yeah yeah but i thought
that in conjunction with the trial being the light bulb moment yeah for her i really understood that
because it's not wasn't about it wasn't even really about her assault
that made her say, I have to speak up.
It was specifically the trial
where they had photographic evidence
of her being assaulted and witnesses
and still people in this courtroom,
men in this courtroom were like,
well, why didn't you say anything at the time
or was it really a groping or et cetera, et cetera.
And I bought all of it. I bought all of it. And truly, or was it really a groping or etc etc and i bought all of
it i bought all of it and truly like of course it was a light bulb moment for the trial to be that
sort of catalyst because for her to be like oh i'm famous and i have evidence and all these things
going for me but this is still a shitty fucking experience right and it's got to be incredibly
enlightening in like a very dark way to know that you could be
literally one of the most famous people in the world and have all the evidence you need
and they're still going to be like the raised eyebrow at you.
That's had to be very, very enlightening.
And I mean, Suzy and I watched it together and the thing that we were both struck by
was at the end, towards the end, she goes, you know, I'm in my 30s now and there's only
so much more time that the world will allow me to be successful.
Tolerate my success.
Tolerate my success.
And the way she made a face about it, like, and I know I'm right,
and you know it's right.
Yeah.
It's chilling.
Really crazy.
And also, you have to think, like, she probably also knew that
when she was weighing whether or not to speak out about her actual political beliefs,
because it's like she is a certain kind of artist,
and, you know, it's so different she is a certain kind of artist and you know,
it's so different when you say anything and you're a woman.
So definitely all of that.
And I,
I was really on her side personally now,
now professionally with the kind of music she's making.
Like for example,
this song,
only the young,
another thing I picked up on in this documentary is I think she needs to shake up her producers because i think she's got yes people
she's got yes people she the you know the that are hurting her you think yes because i think
only the young needed a lyrics pass bad well because i mean if the documentary is to be
believed she just kind of notes that for about 10 minutes and was like okay i've got it only
the young can run like there's a's a moment where she's writing it,
and she said, only the young can run?
And she makes a face like, I'm sort of behind this?
And her producer, you hear him go, yeah.
And it's like, no, dude.
Like, that doesn't really make sense.
Can run.
I mean, it's a call to action.
Like, people running for office, maybe?
I just think, like, because there's like weird like like there's
not clarity about it it could have just used another lyrics pass or like looked at the song
one more time because i think the song is like song is great great yeah just lyrically it's like
this is like kind of weird yeah and could have used another pass likewise the song me me not it
but interestingly though and like other people have observed this,
in the writing of it,
it sounds like a very compelling song.
And that's another part of it.
I was like, I can see why.
I love watching her process.
It's incredible.
Because she's a genius.
Because she's actually doing it.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
Like you're actually watching her work
and it actually like has reminded me
of when I've seen this happen
or have done it. Like I'm like, like yeah she is so uniquely good at this and i buy this 100 and love
watching her process and i really like her bts when she like notes apps or when she voice records
herself and includes that on deluxe albums i love that shit so my thing was the videos during
reputation when she like put out videos of her like trying to crack the the chord progressions and the melodies and the lyrics to gorgeous oh yeah it's like over like
the course of like 10 weeks yeah she's recording herself in front of a keyboard at a piano being
like and then she's just like it's so interesting yeah so i was watching her writing me yeah and
you see them get excited and they're like it's a hit it's a hit we know it and then i'm like but
what did happen because it's in between yeah maybe it was like an imaging thing maybe it was the fact that
it was the first thing we heard yeah yeah something about it and maybe it was just did too much yeah
yeah yeah but like something about it like it's just not one of her right it's not canon for her
it's not canon it's it felt like an anomaly um yeah but i got but you and i talked
checked in on lover the other day you're still listening to it listening to it i'm listening
to cruel summer basically every day i mean for me i would have and this could get us into another
topic i would have voted for lover for song of the year just because for the grammys which it
didn't win it was a bad guy by billy eilish along with everything else because i feel like when you're giving an award song of the year that should mean like you're
introducing a beautiful new song that can be performed by many people to the canon yes and
billy eilish bad guy is like sure it was an important record of the year like it says 2019 2020 like down yes but in terms of like
song of the year in terms of like lyrical construction and like like actually being a
song i don't know and i think that lover is like in such a gorgeous song in billy's defense i feel
like there was other there are other songs on um on that album that are beautiful works of songwriting.
Yeah, I mean, not that bad.
Incredible.
And she did sweep the damn Grammys.
She swept.
She is an icon.
She is an icon.
She is the moment.
She is the moment, darling.
Are we,
anything else we want to say about Miss Americana?
I feel that Miss Americana
was probably one of the better pop star documentaries.
Sure.
I think I'd rank it above Five Foot Two.
Five Foot Two is a little scattered.
It's a little scattered and it was fascinating to watch her physical struggles.
Yes.
But then I could sort of do without her smoking a cigarette talking shit about Madonna.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, okay.
Okay, Stephanie Germanotta.
It is.
Stephanie Germanotta was in some ways a little more aware
that the camera was in front of her than Taylor was.
Right, right, right.
So, I don't know.
Oh, well, we've got a two-year adventure.
Do we talk about Gaga or do we talk about Grammys?
Well, it looks like we can talk about,
well, we're here at Gaga.
We're here at Gaga.
We're feeling excited for new Gaga.
We're very excited for new Gaga.
Stupid love is, you know.
I love it.
Very good.
And Miss Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson sang Stupid Love in a fun little like broken down version.
Did they?
At Geisha for All People, they opened with that for their Valentine's Day show.
Perfect.
Stupid Love, so fun.
They dressed up as cupids and they sang Stupid Love.
And live band, like guitar drums.
Sounds so good.
Comes up,
but musically you're like,
Oh yes,
this is a very well constructed.
I'm excited.
I'm really pumped.
I want her to be dancing.
Do you?
Again,
I want her to absolutely stomp the yard.
I want,
I want her to sort of create an army of gays.
Again,
we've been talking about this. Insane to watch.
Not in terms of like,
it's insane that Gaga is doing this
because it's like crackpot Gaga,
what we've always expected.
But it's fascinating.
To see her post-Star Is Born
kind of dig her heels deeper
into like the weird,
the weirdness that Gaga is.
To revisit like Gaga being Gaga
in a post-Star Is Born world where she was like tearfully
accepting awards all season like and we saw this like other side to her it's just so funny because
you're like oh you're truly nuts no but i don't think it's that she's nuts it's that it just
reinforces this whole her whole sort of like yeah her whole organizing principle around her fame
which is to perform perform fame and her doing the award circuit last year
yep was her performing like oh my god i can't believe i want like she do you think that's true
yes i absolutely think that's true her just performing the fuck out of that trope of like
a famous person she's just she's trying she's putting on different fame drag that's all she's
been doing her whole career that's a fucking amazing take i think that that's because even like the classic screen couple
of it all yes that's that's exactly what it is yeah her and bradley like this man like every
speech was her being like and bradley you believe and then the 99 people thing it's 100 people it's
like it's so it's so deliberate it has to be deliberate she is a genius It's a hundred people. It's like, it's so, it's so deliberate. It has to be deliberate.
She is a genius.
She's a genius.
And for her,
and her doing Enigma
and her doing this
Super Saturday thing,
it's like,
it's so,
I don't know what the reference is exactly,
but it's her truly being like,
Yeah,
yeah.
I mean,
she was back to like,
get your fucking dicks out.
I heard they have some big cocks in Sao Paulo.
Sao Paulo.
In Belfast.
Belfast, get your dicks out.
I hear they've got big cock here in Northern Ireland.
I miss Faye Monster Gaga so much.
Me too.
I hope we get it back.
I want her crazy ass.
I want her coming out on a red carpet wearing
you know two band-aids and a cork yeah and covering herself in ketchup yeah and being like
this is for the middle east like i want i want that insanity i want like messaging that's messy
and fucking crazy and i think it's genius that she performed starlet wins oscar
because i'll tell you for her to actually give a performance that was that good like the performance
in a performance yes because she's stunning in stars warren yes yes and when she got nominated
for the oscar no one was like oh everyone was like yeah she's great yeah you're like yeah i
give it i mean even though though that is such a,
in many ways, a sloppy film.
For sure, slop, slop, slop.
And she is wonderfully sloppy.
I mean, like, scene 97, what is it?
Oh, yeah.
Bathtub scene, it's like truly improvised.
It's so unhinged.
But it's so good, and you're like...
You're fucking ugly.
You're fucking ugly.
What?
You're more challenging. You're fucking ugly. What? You're more challenging.
You're my little pig.
Get out!
Honestly.
Get out!
Get out!
Get the fuck out!
Also, I will say this.
This is shameful.
Right after this.
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The other day I tweeted, why did you do that, do that, do that, do that, do that to me?
It was my most successful tweet I've had in months.
I was, I read that tweet from the Lost Cultures account and I cried in bed.
It's,
I don't know what about it
from you.
Why did you do that?
Do that,
do that,
do that,
do that to me.
It's iconic culture.
It's so funny.
And we're standing here
in 2020 still talking
about Star Is Born
and that's something.
My favorite part
is Diane Warren being like,
no,
you guys,
we were trying to write
like a good pops.
They were like,
they were all reporters
like,
we love that the song is horseshit.
Can you talk to us about your process
of writing a bad song to show that
Ali's bad and a sellout?
And she was like, oh.
We were trying.
I'm actually proud of the song.
But,
yes, did you see
my insane new Oscar
nominated song from the movie
Breakthrough performed by
Chrissy Metz what is our life
I don't know but I mean
Diane Warren at the Oscars is it's own performance
it's wild
they cut back to Diane Warren from the audience
after that song and she's fully sobbing
she was sobbing she knew that she had moved
the world she knew that I'm standing with you from breakthrough had changed the world and i think
she was thought she had a chance of winning i don't know you can't win against um wait who won
again well it was oh my god this is how much this category is like i mean cuckoo now because
honestly honestly into the Unknown should have won
if they weren't going to nominate that song
that Mary Steenburgen wrote.
Do you hear about this?
Mary Steenburgen wrote a song?
Okay, this is a psychotic story.
Okay, go.
Mary Steenburgen had surgery on something.
She needed to go under the knife.
Yes, you told me this and then she
woke up she woke up and was a musical genius she had never this is fucking insane this is recent
too it's like within the last like five years it happened and then she hasn't been acting as much
because all she can do is think of music so there's like this is insane you guys musical
thoughts attack her in the middle of the night
and she has to like write her music
because after her surgery,
she's now thinks in musical terms and like can't stop.
So she wrote a gorgeous song
that's at the end of Wild Rose called Glasgow.
And it was like, it won like all sorts of awards
and then it got snubbed for the Oscar
and it was actually like
one of the biggest Oscar snubs.
And then-
And it could have won
if it was in the category.
Oh, you know what won
was the Elton John song.
That's what it is.
Of course, of course.
Which literally is like,
deep up, deep up, deep up.
Sure, sure.
It's just like, what is this?
What a good story
to have them both win, yeah.
Definitely wonderful.
But we should say that as we were watching the Oscars,
I was here in LA watching the Oscars.
I was watching the Best Original Song nominee performances
and I was like, why do we even have this category at this point?
And then I remember because every few years we go shallow.
You get a shallow.
Or I let it go.
And you need it.
But it's like sometimes these nominees, it's like you could tell.
It's like Diane Warren is going to poop out
and I'm standing with you from Breakthrough
and it's going to get nominated on her name alone.
And like, why do we have this?
And why?
But that Mary Sandberg thing is fucking crazy.
I fucking love that.
I mean, it happens with people who like wake up
and learn, know a full new language fluently.
It's crazy what can happen to your brain.
It's actually rule of culture number 99.
It's crazy what can happen to your brain it's actually real culture number 99 it's
crazy what can happen to your brain hashtag during surgery hashtag during surgery now let's move on
to a wider oscars conversation i feel like we've moved well before we move away from the best
original song oh yeah i want to say did you see adina's performance along with every other
international elsa absolutely what a beautiful safety net.
Literally genius way to do that.
Yeah.
Because it's like a nod to how internationally like.
Yes.
Huge movies.
Important and like move.
I was moved watching it because I was like,
wow, like girls all the world over like are watching this movie
and that's great.
And I did not love Frozen 2, but like whatever.
The Frozen canon i think
is positive yes um but her adina's notes were right but she was rushing through her fucking
shit that's i felt that too she was she was about three hours ahead of the music
what is it about adina she gets nervous on tv i think she gets nervous but she think. She's performing on TV. I think she gets nervous. But she's a damn Broadway legend.
That is true.
But I think when something is televised.
I get it.
And from movie people, I think she freaks out.
I get it.
I totally get it.
She doesn't look calm.
And this is not to say that those performances
aren't successful on some level.
No, they keep us talking.
Absolutely.
Yeah. But I pray for her.
I pray for her.
And I famously said on this podcast,
Adina is a bass.
And I have to say, she was hitting her
solid tenor one notes.
And we support her.
And the notes were good.
It was just a little fast this time.
A little fast.
Speaking of best original song, that Eminem performance, We support her. Yep. And the notes were good. It's just it was a little fast this time. A little fast. Okay.
So, I mean, speaking of best original song, that Eminem performance, we don't, I mean,
there's, what hasn't been said?
Girl, what?
It felt so desperate.
I mean, no one, still no one knows why.
Not even Marshall Mathers himself knows.
What was going on?
All of a sudden he came out.
I was like, what is this for?
It's not even an anniversary.
It's not an anniversary.
You booked Eminem.
Because that was what, 2003 or something?
I'll tell you what.
Yeah.
I would have respected it more if they had booked him to come out, just say the word faggot and then leave.
Absolutely.
Because then I would have said, you know what?
It's art.
It's confronting the artist.
It's confronting the culture now which is so
sensitive i will never forget that he called us faggots every day every day he called he specifically
reached out to us and called us value he actually texted me he texted me every day marshall i say
girl girl what are you doing just kidding he doesn't text me but it's important that we don't
erase the fact that that that Marshall Mathers,
AKA Eminem was the most famous homophobe in the world.
Yes.
And,
um,
you know,
now we kind of throw around this,
uh,
uh,
sort of eligibility.
We go,
Oh,
you know,
Laura Dern can say faggot,
whatever.
It's,
it's,
it's,
we're beyond that with Eminem.
We're like,
it's not that Eminem can say faggot.
It's like he has,
he has done it many times in a malicious and hurtful way.
And I can say as someone who was felt confronted by it every single day and whose life was worse for having him in the media, that I don't want to see him at the Oscars.
Something pretty much exclusively watched by gay men and women who he also talked about beating exclusively in his music.
So I don't understand really why we're doing this, you guys.
And actually, we can say that the friendship with him and Elton John makes no sense either.
And I don't think so, honey, Elton John.
I don't think so, honey, Elton John is friends with Eminem, girl.
Honestly, I don't need it.
I don't need it.
Okay, let's talk about the Oscars as a whole.
So, I mean, the gag. Since we've last spoken, I don't need it. I don't need it. Okay, let's talk about the Oscars as a whole. So, I mean, the gag.
Since we've last spoken, I don't know.
You said you were about to watch Parasite on a plane.
I did watch it.
I have not heard your thoughts,
and I'm truly shocked that you have not spilled forth
and told me what you thought about the film.
A shocking film?
Yes.
A fantastic film?
Impactful?
I thought the real announcement of a new
directorial voice like i know he's done so many films and people have been a fan of his films but
now like for this to be this mainstream thing like pung joong-ho i believe this makes him
truly an international yes brand because i was what i'll tell you what I watched after I watched the film
is I often like to
go back and see like, I'll go on
YouTube and fall in a little wormhole about takes on the film
and you know there's this really good
piece and I wish I could recall
off the top of my head what YouTube channel it is
but that really walks through the sequence
which is, spoiler alert,
getting the mother
to replace their housekeeper.
Yes.
About the-
The peach fuzz.
Pace at which that sequence moves
and how it's all very timed out.
He's obsessed with rhythm.
I thought, this is really amazing.
This is someone whose brain is connected to their talent
in a way and can really articulate
the way they want things to play out on screen
in a way that I
feel is worthy of being in the same name recognition as those directors he was nominated with and I
think after having watched it that is a very good screenplay win director win and best picture best
picture win now the the for me what's just so crazy,
and I did not, I got chills when he won
the best original screen because I was like,
oh, he might win this, he might sweep.
I actually, I predicted it for picture.
I kind of had a feeling for picture too,
and I was like, just in a perfect, it's either that,
or I mean, based on prognosticators,
it was down between, it was between 1917 and Parasite.
That's what they were saying,
and there was like, spoiler was once upon a time.
Like big,
big upset.
If there was like,
if there was going to be something cuckoo happening.
Yes.
And I was like,
you know,
I think that the Parasite film is going to win because you saw the way that
everyone reacted when they won like the SAG award.
That was a moment.
Everyone's like watching them all on stage,
the ensemble,
you're like,
yes,
this movie.
Yeah.
And I will say this.
The acting snubs.
These snubs.
And it is erasure because,
well,
that's what it is because,
I mean,
you,
we can say pretty definitively that the reason why none of those actors were
nominated is probably because the
overwhelmingly white
voting body did not bother to
learn their names. But it's
also like, I mean, you nominated
Rinko Kikuchi. Sure
did, but I think that Rinko Kikuchi was
one of the only Asian actresses
in the film, and I think
I honestly think that
an Asian ensemble are like, okay, we can't tell them apart. And it contributes to the facelessness narrative. actresses in the film and i think i honestly think they just saw a bunch an asian ensemble
they're like okay we can't tell them and it contributes to the facelessness narrative yes
which i believe the western world puts on the eastern world because we don't put the time and
effort into oh and i can get into this later about a fucking disease that's spreading through the
world and how we're kind of very casually dehumanizing the people who are dying anyway absolutely and this would not be something that would happen if it
was happening in connecticut you're talking about coronavirus yes i mean we we would not be
even making a joke about anyway um but i'll get into that later uh but i'm so glad you liked it
i would have given two nominations okay the cast. I would have given...
Mrs. Park?
Absolutely.
Yes.
To me, the performance of the film that I will remember
is the Mrs. Park, the rich mother.
Because the film doesn't really work
without that performance being like so...
You're like, oh, you like her and you...
So funny, you like her, but you are like...
You understand. You're frustrated with her, you like her and you... So funny, you like her, but you are like, oh my God. You understand.
You're frustrated with her, but also you get it.
The specific things in the script, like buy me drugs.
Yes.
Oh my God, insane.
They worked so well because she's giving such a specific performance.
Her sexual chemistry with her husband.
Yes.
Loved it.
Her weird little relationships with everyone in the movie.
This is a woman who's that sort of rich woman
who nothing really bad has really ever
happened to her and so she's able to open up
to people. She kind of
loves the attention. It's the whole thing where it's like
when the family, when the Kims are
eating and drinking in the
living room, they're like,
they're so nice but it's like they can afford to be.
That blew my mind. The movie made me think think so many i've not been able to stop thinking
it's an amazing performance and sung kang ho i would have given him the nomination for supporting
actor just because i feel that he you really he's one of those actors where you remember his face.
Face!
I was going to say the face!
He's got such an emotional face.
Yes.
Like, little things.
Like, anguish.
And also, like, self-satisfaction.
Like, it's all there.
And there's so much going on.
And I would also, you know, say the entire cast is amazing.
Entire cast is great.
And, like, I would say the protagonist of the movie is probably the son.
The son.
And I thought he was great.
Housekeeper, though.
I'm liking on the actresses.
Yeah.
Obsessed.
Was able to portray Asian female suffering in such a fun way.
It was kind of fun to see her her like grovel grovel grovel and then when and then when the rest of the kids fall it just immediately
turned she records and she's like i'll fucking send this and yeah so fun and i'll say you know
so hard to with a script that really takes big swings yes keep the tone yeah because even when
the tone quote-unquote tone when the tone, quote unquote,
tone shifted,
and it became
not really a comedy anymore,
it became a tragedy.
Yeah.
And very dark at the end,
and violent.
Yes.
I still felt like
it was within the voice.
Yes.
And that is a real achievement.
It reminds me,
it's like a Jordan Peele movie,
in a way.
Yes, very that.
And anyway, I'm so glad you liked it. It was me, it's like a Jordan Peele movie in a way. Yes, very that. And anyway,
I'm so glad you liked it.
And I just think-
It was thrilling to watch it
win the Oscars.
Of course.
It was thrilling.
Every new award,
I was like, yes.
And I just kept believing
and believing,
especially because the acting
races were so fucking boring.
So boring.
But I mean,
I think it was Jason Kim
who has just,
his journey,
all awards season
of just being so obsessed with Parasite is,
was truly so fun to track.
But he commented on Miss Jane Fonda's breath work,
which she announced.
An incredible performance.
Cause she opens the envelope and you can tell that like she understands.
Yeah.
This is Miss Hanoi Jane we're talking about.
She saw,
she saw this and she was like,
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Took a breath.
Parasite. like what a moment
and she knew it was going to be a moment
and so fun and she re-wore that dress
that she's worn in the past sustainable fashion
thank you she also brought that red coat
out that she's been getting arrested in
you notice that she was holding her iconic
red coat that she's gotten arrested in like 12
what an icon Jane Fonda
did you see Jane Fonda. Did you see Jane?
Yes.
Yes.
I can't recommend this enough to the readers.
You must.
It is so good.
You guys,
I mean,
and you cannot do anything but respect and stand.
And the thing is,
it's also,
you get an understanding.
Yes.
And it's also a film about the difficulty of being a woman in this or any
industry, just about like how
culturally like it is very difficult to get out of the shadow of men who dominate you yes and it
is about men it is about it is about her relationship to men yes and just not no spoilers
but every it's it's like five chapters jane jane five acts. And the first four acts are all names of the men in her life
that were her husband's or her father.
And then the last one is called Jane.
And it's very, very good.
Jane Fonda is an icon.
I knew when I saw the list of presenters,
I'm like, she'll be presenting Best Picture.
I had the feeling.
And then she did.
Before we go to break,
what are your thoughts on the acting winners?
I thought about this today.
And someone pointed this out too.
I mean, we love that Miss Dern has an Oscar.
We love that she has one.
Strange that that was the role that she got it for.
And you know, I've talked about this like ad nauseum,
like while we've been off the air.
It feels insane to still be talking about it,
but I'll just wrap this my thoughts on it are you can't tell me that that
was not an oscar win for someone that we the royal we are all obsessed with right now we are i mean
that's we we saw an opportunity to give her an oscar and we gave her one great that wasn't the
performance wasn't the performance.
Wasn't the performance, but it happens all the time.
Sure does.
And we're not saying that it's not earned or anything.
It's just, it's interesting.
And it sort of peels back a layer of the whole sort of facade of the meritocracy of awards.
It's like, okay, it's not like a direct correlation.
There's a million other factors that are outside of it.
Yeah.
And I also feel like it just goes to show that like how much further ahead
and how much better television is than film right now,
because we can see her do that literally 14 times on every episode of big,
little lies better,
like blow that shit away.
Yeah.
And I,
I just feel like,
you know,
I hope it's not that thing where in five years,
like, she gives a performance that's, like, truly amazing.
And we feel like, eh, we gave it to her already.
Because that's how you get the thing of
Renee wins for Cold Mountain.
Right.
When she should have won for Chicago.
Right.
Or Julianne wins for Still Out.
Right.
And it's like, that's how you kick the can
further down the road.
And then like,
you're like,
who cares about this anymore?
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It kind of takes some value away.
I don't know.
And then good for Brad.
Loved him in Once Upon.
Good for Miss Joaquin.
Miss Joaquin is certainly a performance.
Yes. And we stan Renee is certainly a performance. Yes.
And we stan Renee.
We stan Renee.
I don't know about that speech,
so I'm going to have to pass on that one.
Going to have to get a writer for that one.
Going to have to whittle down that list of name drops.
Going to have to edit that one.
Going to have to edit that one.
Going to have to two-time speed that one.
Okay, so we,
once we're going to,
we're going to go to a break,
but then when we're back,
we got to talk about this thing
that's poisoned our brains.
Yeah.
This mean that I wouldn't say poison,
but it's truly,
it's added something and we'll talk about it,
but we're going to go to break and we'll be right back.
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okay we're back so matt before we went to break we sort of dipped into this new
vernacular it's true way of this this this way that we speak now which is so it's so interesting
that it's happening now basically you guys we've become um powerless against the aretha franklin
interview where she says good gowns beautiful guys i mean that's the that's the pull quote
we all know we all writer young producer whitney was him was a talent and sissy's baby this that
we've we've become we went to puerto vallarta with some friends had a lovely time lovely time
and just sat around and watched this interview
and then,
I don't know if this ever happens
to you guys,
the readers,
but like something
will just become so fun
and stupid to say
that it's all you can say.
That's become us with this.
This is different though.
This is really,
this is-
It's become my personality.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Same.
And so she has this one line in it.
This is the locus that you're focusing on
is that you know the interviewer asks
her about Nicki Minaj
and she goes Nicki Minaj
gonna have to pass on that one
so now it's just become
gonna have to stand on that one
gonna have to admire that one
gonna have to be skeptical on that one
gonna have to ride that one
and we went to Disneyland recently and we had to put on ponchos for the river ride gonna have to put a poncho on for that one. Gonna have to ride that one. And we went to Disneyland recently and we had to put on ponchos for the Grizzly River ride.
Gonna have to put a poncho on for that one.
No, my favorite distillation of it is
going, gonna have to put that,
gonna have to put on that one. Gonna have to put on
that one. Gonna have to sit on that one.
We are becoming the
stupidest people in America.
And it's happening at a very
quick rate. So I want to tell you
all, if it gets to the point where we are doing this podcast and it's happening at a very quick rate so i want to tell you all if it gets to the point where we
are doing this podcast and it's musha musha musha understand it's aretha franklin's fault
for being too iconic but for just just the way she like is struggling through this interview
being like okay alicia key okay good Okay. Good producer, young producer.
Young producer, good writer.
Young performer.
Young performer.
And it got to the point where me, you, Patrick, Rogers, and Jared
took a car back from this New Year's party in Puerto Vallarta.
Oh, this was sick.
A lovely talkative driver was telling us all about, you know,
sort of the changing dynamics of taxis in Puerto Vallarta
and just telling us about all the new riders and stuff.
And we truly all, we only spoke to him
in Aretha Franklin soundbites.
Well, no one in the car could understand each other anymore
because of the language barriers.
And because of just the substances that were combined.
We were extremely on substances.
And he was like saying how
it was busy night
for him
we were just like
gonna have to stand
on that one
absolutely
good driver
young driver
and then he would
just be like
good people
young people
yes very young
drivers
and we'd be like
and he
and it was psycho
psycho
he would not
stop talking
no he was the
most talkative
Lyft driver
so truly it meant that we had openings to say anything we wanted at any time and it would not have talking. No, he was the most talkative Lyft driver I've ever had. So truly it meant that
we had openings
to say anything we wanted
at any time
and it would not have been heard.
So me, you, and Patrick
just in the back seats
would just be like,
okay, okay.
Stan.
Stan, good roads.
Okay, good roads.
Good roads, young roads.
Long roads.
Long roads.
And Sissy's baby.
And Sissy's baby.
And we can't stop.
And we can't stop
and so sorry. That driver was a talent. That driver was a talent. And Sissy's baby and sissy's baby and we can't stop and we can't stop and so sorry that driver evolving
was a talent the driver was a talent and sissy's baby and sissy's baby and unfortunately we will
try our best to not have that pervade the rest of the episode but don't trust us don't trust us
we can't trust ourselves okay but before we move on from the oscars too too much okay i think this
is something to say about the osc, which then segues into what I
think was a cultural moment for our lifetimes.
The J-Lo snap. The J-Lo snap.
Okay. Gonna have to pass on that one.
Gonna have to pass on that one. Gonna have to
turn off the Oscars
on that one. Gonna have to
disagree with that one. Gonna have to fight
for that one. Gonna have to
gonna have to slam the
academy on that one. Slam the academy on that particular one. Gonna have to slam the academy on that one.
Slam the academy on that particular one.
Because
thanks for making it way less fun,
y'all. Exactly. Are you kidding?
We could have seen the dress.
Any dress. Not even the dress.
You know what I'm saying? You needed to invite
Kathy Bates what? To bring the glamour?
Bitch.
Miss Bates didn't even want to be there.
She got to see Jerry from Cheer on the red carpet.
And that was like truly the highlight for her.
She did not want to be there.
Girl, she probably wasn't as shocked as anyone else.
What is going on?
Just let Kathy spend a Sunday night at home.
Don't drag her out to fucking.
You know who wanted to be there bad?
J-Lo.
J-Lo.
After the year she's had,
oh my God,
I can tell you.
Way to stick it in and break it off.
She was,
when she hosted,
can I tell you,
I went to that damn dinner.
Yeah, can you talk about that?
It was,
I can't say too much,
but she,
you could tell she was very excited
for the year she had.
I know.
She like, dropped a little hint about the Super Bowl performance. She had just FaceTimed I can't say too much but she you could tell she was very excited for the year she had I no she like
dropped a little hint
about the Super Bowl performance
she had just
FaceTimed with Shakira's team
and
so Bowen went to
the SNL has
a dinner with the host
and some of the cast
get to go
and Bowen went to
the one with J-Lo
and it was truly wild
and
you could just tell
that she was excited
and she was like
you know
that rocks
she was like
you know
I'm in a very fun place in my career it's like oh my god and she was like, you know, I'm, she's like, she's like, you know, I'm, you know,
I'm in a very fun place in my career.
It's like,
Oh my God.
Like,
and she deserves it.
Yeah.
And I was,
and also the performance deserves to be nominated with the rest of those.
Absolutely.
I mean,
I personally would have voted for it,
but it cleared the way for Ms.
Duren to snatch.
And I did vote for it for SAG,
but come on.
Anyway,
it went to Lord Duren,
someone I love,
someone you love.
And it's like, but I also love fairness.n someone i love someone you love and it's like
but i also love fairness so there you go it's it's really tough to sort of weigh your your value your
values in this way yeah because it's like then you're then you're the gay who's saying that
laura dern didn't deserve it but i'm sorry i will i will continue to be a truth teller a seer i will
continue to be a seer thank you and we will do that and we will do that here on this
podcast and we have the platform now let's move towards joy and talk about this god damn super
bowl halftime one of the best i would say maybe i i'm actually gonna be hyperbolic maybe i can't
remember enjoying one more and this does not take anything away from beyonce who is the queen
of both times she did the Super Bowl
but it was a different flavor oh my
god what they were
so good it was
exceeded my very high expectations
girl my expectations were
very high She-Wolf
was the first song
performed at the halftime Super Bowl
and that's gay rights and that's gay rights
that's gay rights gonna And that's gay rights. That's gay rights.
Gonna have to stand on that one.
Her fucking shredding that guitar.
Gonna have to stand on that one.
Gonna have to watch that one.
Gonna have to be impressed by that one.
And then when she did her belly dance,
I was like, this is so fucking is so this is so fun and the lighting
was perfect when they did the close-up of shakira's face she looked so fucking stunning i was like
this is wacko that she looks this beautiful and to and to bring her just because we're staying on
shakira for now yeah but to reincorporate her into the performance oh my drums. Oh my god. Genius.
Truly wild. And when they cut to her and she was
playing those drums, I fell out.
I was like, that is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
It's so cool though.
It's so good. And also you forget
whenever, wherever.
The bop!
And that was a cultural moment.
Oh yeah. When that song came out,
and I had just started taking 6th grade Spanish, moment. Oh, yeah. When that song came out, and I had just started taking sixth grade Spanish, bitch.
Bitch, yes.
And it was huge for that class.
You actually better count yourself as lucky
that your breasts are small and humble.
So you'll confuse them.
This way, they will be confused with mountains.
It's actually rule of culture number 30.
You actually better count yourself as lucky
that your breasts are small
and humble so that they are not
confused with mountains.
Lucky. And that's
a message. Gonna have to
read the text on that one. Gonna have to
examine the text on that one.
Gonna have to
say the lyrics on that one.
It's fucking stupid.
We cannot turn back from this
so funny i'm crying so suddenly out of nowhere it's the funniest thing
that we can no longer think for ourselves yeah well it's actually on track with the rest of the
world and how it's going it was was 70 degrees in Antarctica the other day.
You told me this.
So I'm fine sinking,
and the last thing I say as I gasp for breath
is gonna have to try to breathe.
Gonna have to gasp for breath on that one.
Gonna have to grow some gills on that one.
Gonna have to be Kevin Costner
in a water world of film on that one.
Okay.
Anyway, bitch.
J-Lo.
Now, okay.
So first of all, just to put a period on it, Shakira, one of the best performers alive.
Yes.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Then J-Lo comes the fuck out.
Well, first of all, hang off.
I've never seen anyone more beautiful.
That pose.
Oh my God.
The way the skirt flowed out.
Just someone who was so amped to do the Super Bowl.
And crushed.
Delivered.
Every moment.
Oh my God.
What an icon.
What an icon.
Gave you full Kylie Minogue,
all the lovers, music, video, fantasy bodies
piled on top of each other.
100%.
The boys.
Beautiful boys.
That just were nuts.
They were killing it.
So good.
We got get right at the Super Bowl.
With canes.
I gagged.
When that
happened,
I was like,
absolutely.
We were so lucky.
On the Floor is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Play it at my wedding,
funeral.
Graduation.
Graduation.
Stay tuned for a future episode
where we reference this meme this new
meme we like this new meme but oh my god um also just waiting for tonight when she got up on the
pole first of all no one can ever do that green light again that's her light that color the green
yes you knew exactly what it was i was like this is she owns this light and truly like, she owns this light. And truly, like, has she laid claim to polls?
Now no one can pole dance again.
No one can pole dance on ever again.
And she was like, by the way, never forget hustlers.
I remember when I was watching it with Jared,
and he goes, never forget hustlers!
Truly, never forget.
Never forget.
And the Academy forgot, and then she said,
I'm actually gonna pole dance at the Super Bowl.
You fucks.
Yeah. And it's actually watched by more people. laura dern could never do it can i say something
you can say whatever you want actually i was i watched the super bowl quite frankly at miss
heidi gardner's apartment we actually stand heidi gardner and we're gonna have to stand on we're
gonna have to stand on that one she was feeling the chief spirit. She had her Kansas City friends who were so
sweet who took the time
to really explain the rules of football
to me.
Do you know the rules? You're pretty familiar with the rules of football?
What happens in football is
you throw the ball to each other
and the men try to run across a line
at the end of the field. And that's literally...
Not even at the end of the field. It kind of moves.
That's the fun thing. What happens is the first down line yes and you need to keep
getting the first down so that you can have more chances to get to the end of the field you've
known this for a long time i've actually known this for a long time because my father was a
varsity football coach you have to remember i once was a baby who had a little jersey that
said little rogers on the back my dad was actually known as a, quote, defensive coordinator genius on Long Island.
I believe it.
Okay?
And an award-winning defensive coordinator at that.
That being said,
I don't know what the fuck is going on with most of the...
Why are the plays so complicated with the little men?
It's like the X's and O's that you draw.
Bitch, you're trying to run to the other side.
Because either you throw it,
someone has the option to, like,
girl, throw it to one person or another person i look and then at times the qb runs himself sometimes he's just giving the ball to someone else i gotta do a deeper dive but really
all it took because sudi and i were there at this party together and we were like wait a minute we
kind of get we kind of get what's going on and this is actually 100 and this is very fun to watch
well all these straight men have figured it out.
I,
I,
I don't,
I'm not going to make a comment on that.
Okay.
You're going to pass on that.
I'm going to have to pass on that one.
But then the next day I go into work and then I literally Google football rules.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like watch it at two times speed.
Cause I was like,
I,
I don't have a lot of time.
Let's go.
And absorbed it all.
Not all,
but I was just like,
Oh,
I get it now.
And this is fun and interesting.
And I'm like,
thank God for JLo and Shakira
because if it was and Miss Heidi Gardner
who I put on the same pedestal as them
those are actually the three JLo Shakira
and Heidi Gardner but I was like
thank god for this because now I'm interested in this
my horizons have expanded
and I'm kind of into
this new thing this new culture
I would say this I have a couple notes for football
these are just thoughts and people the costumes are better New culture. I would say this. I have a couple notes for football. These are just thoughts
and people that-
The costumes are better.
Should be better.
I would say that
I could-
We could use an update
on the costumes.
Yes, yes, yes.
One thing.
There's a quarterback
and a cornerback.
I feel these two words
are too similar
and I feel like
we should just change-
Yes.
I think the-
The consonants.
Yeah, like quarterback
I think should-
We should keep calling him
a quarterback
because that's the culture. Cornerback should be The consonants. Yeah, like quarterback, I think we should keep calling him a quarterback because that's
the culture.
Cornerback should be like-
Cornerback should be like-
Angle, angle back or something.
Or just, I don't know.
I would just call him like-
Back.
I would-
Miss back.
I would-
Well, what does the cornerback do?
Do you know that?
I don't think I know this.
Is he the one who snaps the ball?
Call him the snapper.
Snapper.
That's much easier for me.
Come on.
But so that's one of my notes.
Also,
these brains are becoming mush.
Yeah.
Now this is a much bigger.
So,
so my,
my,
my,
my small thing is we have to change quarterback and cornerback.
Yes.
My big thing is their brains are becoming mush and we're not,
we're doing nothing's being done about it.
I mean,
outside of Will Smith making a movie about it,
Doug's laughing. It's not, it's no laughing. It's actually not funny. I don't know. I don't done about it. I mean, outside of Will Smith making a movie about it. Doug's laughing.
It's no laughing matter, Doug.
It's actually not funny.
I don't know about this.
I'm going to have to disapprove on that one.
You're going to have to disapprove on that one.
We have straight people in the booth
who are, I guess, laughing at us,
and I'm sorry, but there's things to point out.
Costumes need an upgrade.
Quarterback, cornerback,
it needs to be a snapper and a quarterback,
and the brains should,
we should do something about them.
If you're going to talk to queer people about football, the last
thing we're going to do is dehumanize the players.
Right, exactly. I also think
that we actually, you know how they're actually moving
to cut the dancing and
celebrations when they do a touchdown?
I think we should be dancing more.
Well, that's how you end up having
like personalities in football. I'm like,
hello? Like you end up loving the people because of the dancing.
Girl, you know Tiki Barber?
You've heard of this person?
I've heard of Tiki.
A dancer.
A dancer.
And we need more of that.
I think Miss JJ Watt was a dancer.
Well, you know her.
Listen, I got to say, JJ Watt, lovely.
I love that.
Had a very good experience.
I love that for you.
I did not know who JJ Watt was. That love that. I had a very good experience. I love that for you. I did not know who J.J. Watt was.
That's okay.
When it was announced.
And I looked at it.
It said host J.J. Watt.
And I said, is there someone in the culture that I do not know?
And then I said, oh, of course.
An athlete.
Very, very fun.
Very fun person.
I'll say this.
Hot and could snap me in half if he wanted.
Could take my neck and rip my head clear off my body
and I'd be fine.
Gonna have to agree on that one.
Could break my arm.
On him breaking your arm, I agree with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so... Just know that I will
know it. I wouldn't be upset about it. I'd be happy. Okay, anything else
to cover on Super Bowl? I don't think so. Okay.
So that's the Super Bowl.
Amazing slay. And we should say
that incredible chill inducing
moment when she revealed the puerto rican flag oh my god born in the usa incredible cages
jlo wins jlo wins um so super bowl was incredible now we've spoken about the grammys a little bit
billy ios took over i don't know what to be honest i didn't watch well it was a sad event because
that was the day of kobe yes and can i tell you where i was when i found out that kobe bryan
was passed away tell me so patrick rogers and i who's become my sister he is and the thing is like
i love him we love patrick and we are the house because we have the same last name and he's become
a sister yes and so now we have a ritual
where we go to the Wii Spa.
Yes.
I won't say when we go
because then people will follow.
I don't know.
But I like going to this Wii Spa
and we happen to be in the sauna
and it's not a cruisy thing.
No, no, no, no.
It's just like a nice family oriented thing.
No, Chloe was telling me about Wii Spa
and how she loves it.
Yeah.
So Wii Spa is fucking great and we were sitting there and we were in the sauna and we were watching television and it was breaking news that this tragedy had happened
with kobe bryant and one of the most iconic men in america yeah and especially in los angeles
jesus christ and so watching men los angeles based men, come into the sauna fully naked,
seeing them turn to the screen
and realize what was happening,
and watching these men nude
realize that Kobe Bryant had died
was like, there's nothing,
I've never seen anything more vulnerable.
My God.
It was, I'll never forget where I was
when that happened.
Oh my God.
And we were like gagged.
We were like, how does this happen?
And so crazy. Yeah. Not to bring it down, but. No, no, no, no, no. It my god. And we were like gagged. We were like, how does this happen? And so crazy.
Not to bring it down, but. No, no, no,
no, no. It's important. You forget, man.
Well, truly. It's an accident.
The thing that I was
sort of like taking away from it was that it's
just like, for no reason, these things just
happen. Yeah, wild. For truly no
reason. And it just like
speaks to like the fragility of it all. The fact that he like
went to church and like. We can't even really. The last tweet was to lebron and it's just like yeah it's
like crazy i mean when you get into the specifics of the rest of it it's just too sad so obviously
that was a very very very bad day and um watching the grammys that night like i almost was happy
that it was alicia keys like i don't love alicia keys as a grammys host like i i'm i'm over like
the let's do good vibes hosting.
I think that we should have jokes.
I think we should be laughing when we watch those things.
Yes, yes, yes.
So I don't love her as a host,
but you almost that day were like,
it's kind of good, you know,
because I think all we need is just to, like,
settle into the reality of this
and, like, you know, move through it.
But that was,
that was a crazy evening.
That was one where I woke up and was just like,
went to the bathroom and just like scroll through my phone.
And I was like,
yeah,
wait,
wait,
what?
It's crazy.
I,
I didn't believe it was happening for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was weird to be here too,
because I,
I think I didn't grasp like what an icon he was in Los Angeles.
Yeah.
Like,
Oh my God. I've never cared about basketball, but it's huge. Yeah. Um, too because i i think i didn't grasp like what an icon he was in los angeles yeah like oh i've
never cared about basketball but huge deal yeah um well outside of that the grammys were fun and
wait oh this is what i wanted to say yeah demi demi my god now there was just it was the battle
of the ballads at this night it felt like which i love loved. Her, Camilla. Okay, the Camilla first man performance, I will actually stab that song.
Okay.
And I'm gonna have to cry for my father on that one.
I'm kind of chilled.
You're the first man who truly loved me.
I'm a little chilled.
I'm not chilled.
I just find it very interesting how,
and I'm not saying that it's irredeemable,
she's irredeemable,
but we've all kind of very quickly moved
from the n-word of it all. Right, but here all kind of very quickly moved from the N word of it all.
Right, but here's my thing with her
and the N word of it all.
It's like, I think that she seemed like
someone who culturally was just not aware she could.
I don't know about that because the Normani.
It's not a Chica Rodriguez thing.
The Normani thing.
What?
Kind of creeps me the fuck out.
What happened with that?
The Normani is like on these interviews now being like,
yeah, like there were coordinated like online like campaigns,
attack campaigns that she kind of like sort of like dog whistled.
Normani's out there saying that?
I'm butchering it, but Normani's basically been out there. Like when the whole like N-word thing, like the Tumblr thing like came out, like apparently Normani's out there saying that I'm butchering it but like but Normani's basically been out there like when the whole like n word thing like the tumblr thing like came out like
apparently Normani was just like yeah I mean I was getting fucking vile shit from Camilla fans
and it seemed like it was like from the sort like it was coming from like one place so I'm I'm gonna
I'm gonna have to stay team Normani on that one I I mean, yeah. I mean, if we're picking.
So I don't know.
I mean, not that we're picking.
I feel that bums me out because I was really liking Camilla.
And there's room to like her.
And I'm not saying cancel, cancel, cancel because that's also so absolute and stupid.
But it's just like, wait a minute.
Well, bottom line is she's still Cinderella.
That's the thing too. I'm like, okay., it's just like, wait a minute. Well, bottom line is she's still Cinderella. That's the thing too.
I'm like,
okay.
And we're like,
she's literally,
we're like very like casually announcing all these new casting things that are
happening with this movie.
And yeah,
I think it probably would be too much to like do anything with that.
I also think there's a lot of Camilla news that like is,
is being like kind of like celebrated,
not celebrated.
We're just like,
cool.
My thing too,
with the whole first man performance was like,
she was singing the song to her dad about how like,
it's time to give me up to the man of my dreams who I've met and I'm with.
And it's like,
Sean.
Okay,
here we go.
She thinks so.
And this is the one y'all.
Oh my God.
Whose disease is this?
What do we do?
Oh, wow. I don't know. Gonna gonna have to pass i'm gonna have to question question that one but anyway um and demi i thought i fucking she won
live for her yeah i live for well she fucking slayed the super bowl slayed the super bowl
was wide open at the Grammys. Anyone? Anyone?
She was giving you the notes,
never sounding better.
A full gape of a mouth.
The lyrics.
The lyrics.
I feel stupid when I sing.
That is...
That's real.
Raw.
We can't wait to see what she has.
We have a lot of respect for her.
A lot of respect.
Billie Eilish won approximately 17 Grammys and um slay on silver girl slay on silver girl
green girl green girl gonna have to like your bond theme on that one gonna have to love the
gucci on that um speaking of music news uh adele weighs eight pounds okay where are you with this
i'm sort of like concerned Concerned. Okay.
And I'm concerned about the coverage of it because they're literally reaching out to her friends
or truly who knows if they're her friends,
if they're just fucking acquaintances who are like,
yeah, the divorce was actually really good for her
in terms of her body.
It's like, shut up.
I don't like the whole discourse around it.
She definitely has lost a ton of weight.
I hope that she's doing it in a healthy way.
I just,
it's always shocking to me to see such a dramatic weight loss because she
didn't need to,
whatever.
I hope that she's,
I just hope she's happy.
That's all.
Whenever,
whenever I see someone whose appearance has drastically changed and you know
they've had a hard time,
I just say, hope they're happy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
And it doesn't rule it out.
Right.
And just.
It doesn't rule out that it's all buttressed by like good stuff.
Yeah.
By like healthy behaviors.
Looking forward to the music.
Looking forward to the music.
And when the narrative can be about the music again.
Sure.
And she leaked that it's coming out in September.
Yeah, which we love.
Which we love.
And I've been listening to Skyfall a lot
because of the Billie song coming out
and I'm still in love with Skyfall.
A classic.
I love it.
A classic song.
I mean, her voice is hauntingly court.
I mean, and that's why you have best original song
is for the Skyfall years, for your shallow years.
For your Skyfalls.
So listen, speaking of moments.
Moments.
What a transition.
What a segue.
Jamila.
Oh, I thought you were going to go somewhere else.
Jamila girl.
We got to talk about Jamila girl.
Okay, so let's just try and wrap this up in as tight a bow as possible.
Jamila Jamil literally seconds
after the good place ends
has revealed her full
crazy
she gets announced
as a
like
MC
and like
head judge
on this
voguing show
on HBO Max
apparently the first
press release
was wrong
because it said
she was the MC
so she comes out
yeah but how was the press release from HBO Max itself wrong?
So then she comes,
so then she gets all this flack
for not being this queer person
who is like the face of this voguing show,
this ballroom show.
And then the next sort of day,
yeah, this sort of whipsaw to this
is that she says,
I'm allowed to do this because I'm queer.
And I wish it wasn't like this.
And I wish it didn't come to this.
So that.
So that.
And then she corrected.
JK, I'm queer.
She corrected the press release too by saying,
I'm not the MC, I'm the head judge.
Which honestly doesn't make a difference to me.
It makes less sense because there's no reason she should be judging it.
If she were a presenter of it, well, that's no reason she should be judging it if she were a presenter of it well
that's something that she does like you don't necessarily need to have know-how about the
voguing and ball scene sure if you're the host but to be a judge and then to correct and be like
no no i'm not the host i'm just a judge that's not anyway that that's really annoying but she
can't have her cake and eat it too where she's
going um i'm queer i'm allowed to do this but then she also goes but i'm also not part of this
ballroom scene and so that actually makes me an entry point for other people who aren't into
who aren't into voguing as well it's like okay so then either you're standing with the queer
sort of shade of this or you're just yeah being i don't know it's like she's like i'm gonna say
anything and of course it makes sense and you're like but wait it feels like a gas lady on like a
mass level and then do you see her get into it with trace lisette no i didn't see this okay so
trace lisette tweets that she was up for all the same shit that Jamila was up for and didn't get it despite actually being a house mother from the ball scene and like a true queen from that scene, like authentically from that culture.
And she was like, well, I auditioned for this shit and didn't get it.
So this is weird.
And Jamila responded to Trace and be like,
hey, babe, I think what you auditioned for was this,
not this.
We were in up for the same thing.
And she goes, no, girl, I know what I auditioned for.
Also, I don't need to audition to be a house mother.
I am one, so et cetera.
This is like step back.
She said her absolutely right.
Love that.
But then the cuckoo-ness about the parade of illnesses and diseases and accidents she said she's had.
Oh, I see.
I fully disengaged and checked out at this point.
If I stare too long at this kind of thing, it just stares back.
What is this?
She's got a bunch of diseases?
She's like, I've had cancer a million times.
I was hit.
No. She talks about things that are happening in her mouth. You got it. got a bunch of diseases she's like i've had cancer a million times i was hit it's like she's like
talks about like things that are happening you got it if you search it there's like instagram
threads where they collect all of the things that she has said about herself and things that she's
gone through and they put them all together and it's shocking no this is viscerally upsetting and
the thing is like she's like come after the people that are like reporting on it or like talking about it um and been like how dare you how dare you how dare you and i'm like
how come no part of the narrative here isn't you saying i know it's crazy all these things have
happened to me but it's true like there's no call out of like how it's an insane amount of things to
happen to one person it's just her presenting it all as fact and saying,
yep, it's true, and if you believe me,
if you don't believe me, you are
insane. And it's like, no, girl,
if this stuff has all happened to you, that is
wild. You should be studied.
You should be studied. As the
unluckiest woman in the world. Oh,
my God. As opposed to
Shakira. Gonna have to raise
an eyebrow on that one.
Ms. Jamila.
Listen.
That.
It's tough.
It's tough.
It's like clearly this person needs a resource.
Reach out.
Reach out.
That's what we'll say about that.
All right.
Let's talk about the two
or actually three three netflix moments okay here we go circle which i'm still i've only i'm only
on episode two of so i think you have not watched the circle and i have not watched cheer okay great
so then let's let's just educate each other so you educate me on the circle the circle i think is an incredible important
reality show on netflix that has gotten the closest to satirizing and examining social social
media in terms of uh entertainment the artifice of it the artifice of it and what we can get away
with and what people um people's fears are about social media and what people's like advantages are
on social media
based on their real personality.
It's very interesting, and I really like it,
and I think it ends very satisfying.
Oh, great.
I should finish it.
Yeah.
Because right now, I'm just having a hard time
with them being like,
hey, private message, Mercedes.
We should form an alliance.
Love you, girl.
It's just like, wait, this isn't how people talk,
but then that's the whole point.
So basically, you have to get through those first
few episodes because the people that are
bad at playing the game sort of get weeded out
and therefore it becomes all people that
are good at it or authentically
being themselves and are getting played by it.
And that's when it gets interesting.
That's genius. And we love that show.
We love that show. Now tell me about Cheer.
Because I tried and...
Oh, I loved...
Was it the Trump stuff?
Was it like the Texas stuff at all?
A little bit of that
and also I don't like
seeing the girls get hurt.
Yeah.
Well, it ends up
not even being gender specific
by the end.
It's like everybody gets hurt.
Anyway,
Cheer is this documentary series
on Netflix
that I'm sure a lot of you have seen
by these, I think one or two great sports documentarians. cheer is this documentary series on Netflix that I'm sure a lot of you have seen, uh,
by these,
uh,
I think one or two great sports documentarians,
um,
who have gone on record to say that they,
that the Navarro cheer team is comprised of the hardest working athletes,
the most intense athletes they've ever seen.
Yeah.
Um,
and this is a real cultural moment.
Real cool.
I mean,
yeah,
it's something about like the way that these narratives sort of were told and spun out,
and it all builds up towards Tona, towards Daytona.
Tona.
Tona.
And the stakes are all so intricately and elegantly laid.
Monica Aldama is this wonderful mogul of a woman
who has led this team to victory so many times
and really nurtures them
but also keeps them at an arm's length
and it's just so interesting and her leadership style
is so interesting and also
what Josh Sharp has pointed out to me which I
love is that and what some of
our readers probably have picked up on is that it
sort of kind of Trojan horse's black
queerness in this very cool way
that it's just like it's
so it's a junior college where
everyone goes there just for the sports the athletics of the ball but yeah i mean these like
black cheerleaders these guys who like go to the school because like monica has like seen them or
something um or they get yeah they get scouted or they just go and they try out for it jerry harris
ladarius i forget his last name but um sort of like the two like stars Tay Tay we can't forget Tay Tay
but they are all I mean
it all sort of like is a way to sort of like
show America because
I mean sheer it's like Republicans
want to see it because it's like Texas
and there's a lot of Texas DNA in it and
then liberals want to see it because it's like
oh it's like dance music
I mean it's like there's something for everybody there's an entry point
for everybody which is kind of I think why it became such a moment it's great it's like dance music I mean it's like there's something for everybody there's an entry point for everybody which is kind of I think why
it became such a moment
it's great
it's so good
I mean the last episode
is the nail biter
of all nail biters
really
so good
I'll check it out
it picks up after
I would say the third episode
I think that
I was watching the circle
and the
and so I didn't
I tried to watch cheer
but I felt like
it was gonna demand
a lot of time for me
and because I also
was watching at the same time
goop labs okay now talk to me but i've only seen the um the shrooms episode the
shrooms episode is the first episode and then the second and third episodes i feel like are like the
ones uh-huh so the second episode deals with cold water plunge therapy yes have you heard of this
i've heard of this fascinating yes so there's this like guy who suffered a personal tragedy and then he started this movement of like cold water.
I don't know.
He picked it up somewhere, but now it's like he's like a guru of plunging yourself in cold water, like drive your maladies away.
Yes.
Fascinating.
Yes.
And then Gwyneth like has her like very thin employees go with him.
Yes, yes.
Then the third episode is about female orgasm.
Yes.
And fascinating episode. with a specific doctor with
this 90 year old woman who looks 55 right who is like passionate about all women achieving orgasms
and like not being afraid of themselves down there yes yes and there's a sequence where you
see 10 different vulvas and they talk about how many women believe that they're deformed because pornography has made it
so impossible to like see yourself.
Yes, yes.
And you know, so I thought it was really,
this is where Goop Labs to me got really useful.
I was like, well, I'm happy that women are seeing this
because I think it will alert some women
to the fact that like they're not deformed
because they don't like a porn star.
So that's when the show I think is powerful. When it's not powerful is when the show becomes about dieting
and it's trying to normalize gwyneth paltrow's diet of like deprivation and it's not healthy
the way that those women try to keep their bodies in shape i mean it's and all there's not a lot of
awareness about the whole ethos of goop is like pseudoscience bullshit right right and they do say like in the beginning of every episode where there's like a medical moment
they're like please see a doctor this would not be endorsed by any medical profession yeah
they like are accountable in that way right like you're still showing that it's aspirational and
yeah such a 50 50 show for me where it's like it definitely is i enjoyed it and i think i think
gwyneth like comes off like kind of interesting and even more compelling like on well gwyneth is
a star when it's a star but it's triggering it's a triggering show and i would i would imagine that
it's very hard for a lot of people to watch yes and like and fuck i'd say it to gwyneth's damn
face yeah yeah but she knows she knows so that our little Netflix moment. Now, here's the thing.
Speaking of gay icons.
We met one.
We met one.
On separate occasions.
On separate occasions.
We talked about each other to them.
Yeah.
We're talking about RuPaul.
Talking about RuPaul.
Matt, you were on What's the Tea?
I was on What's the Tea in truly one of the craziest days of my life.
And I got to say, surreal for an outside person to listen to.
I spent about three hours through Paul.
And can you talk?
He asked me in this, well, we had a meeting.
We had a meeting, which was insane.
And then during the meeting, he was like,
you got to come be on my podcast because we were hitting it off.
So I went and did the podcast, which you can listen listen to my episode of what's the tea surreal just to be sitting there with rue and have talking to him
interested in my life at all and i was talking to him and i was like wow like this is truly
insane like to get to the point where like truly one of my idols you're heroes yeah yeah yeah yeah
i think like you know like probably him and like Kelly and like
Mariah right I like the people that I would
and we I'd have to talk to rule about
Mariah and you guys like
went like on an album by album my god
run breakdown just like
I got chills fagging out with
rue about
Mariah Carey like I mean
you guys really ran
the gamut there in terms of the biography
of Matt Rodgers because he talked about Katrina for a long time.
It was so crazy.
I felt like we really got a chance
to get to know each other.
You're both good at this, but you're both good at facilitating
those meaningful
nuggets out of each other.
Truly wild. And then I didn't know at the time
that he was going to go do SNL, but
when I found that out,
I was like, oh my God,
like you're going to have that moment with him too.
And then you got to do that incredible sketch with him.
Yeah.
You want me to talk about my experience with him?
Yeah, tell me.
I really haven't gotten to talk to you about it.
Compare notes.
I mean, Rue notes.
Sudi tells me that he's hosting over Christmas.
I was like, oh my God.
Yeah.
And whatever. And so all this anticipation
builds up and then
Monday pitch you know we all wait outside
Lauren's office and we go in and then you know
the door opens and
people file in and then
normally it's like very quiet and everyone's just very like
respectable and polite and sits down and whatever
and the host just sits there quietly and like nods
at people coming in and
it's great but the door opens and people start filing in and R host just sits there quietly and like nods at people coming in and it's great but the door
opens and people start filing in and Rue just goes
hey kitty girl oh hey
squirrel friend like just like starts to like
enthusiastically greet people like
hi oh I love just like
people you have to understand the energy
the in-person energy is real it's real
and then me and Allison Gates
like stop in our tracks we hear
like Rue Rue's voice coming out of the room.
And we're just like, and I turned to her and I was like, I can't go in there.
I was like, this is crazy to me.
It's shocking for people that actually get the Ru thing.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I walk.
And so then we finally walk in and then Ru sees me and goes, Faye Dunaway.
And then the whole room is like, ah!
Oh my God.
That was the first of many communal,
like,
room reactions of like,
oh!
Because then he sees,
because then he starts,
because then there's this moment
where everyone sits down
and like the room like settles
and he's just like,
oh my God,
you,
I know you,
and I know you.
And then he points to 80
way in the back,
he goes,
and you!
And then 80 goes,
ah!
And then everyone in the room
screams and like laughs and giggles.
It was this infectious, carbonated energy.
And it was the funnest pitch ever.
We all walk out.
And Colin's like, well, that was the funnest pitch I've ever been a part of.
It was joyful, joyful.
And then the next day he comes in, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're pitching him stuff,
more stuff.
And first he met with,
uh,
Tom Campbell,
his friend,
the guy who came up with drag race was kind of there.
I've met Tom.
Yes.
He's wonderful.
Yeah.
Um,
was,
was,
was his pal.
Uh,
the whole time after the Emmys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um,
and we sat down,
so Rue and Tom sit down with me and Ego. And Eggo and Rue hit it off.
Love that.
Just gangbusters.
So fun.
And then Rue is like, well, I can do this character.
I can do an Australian accent.
And then he turns to me and he goes,
Brizzy, you were born in Brizzy, Brisbane.
Like he knew shit about me.
So I'm guessing he probably had read the New York Times article.
He read the article.
And then I brought you up.
I was like,
you're,
what's the T episode with my best friend in the world?
Matt Rogers just came out.
He's like,
he,
me,
and Sudi are like a trio,
and like,
blah,
blah,
blah.
He was like,
yes,
I loved him.
It was just so,
so like,
was just like,
just softened as soon as like I mentioned you,
and he was like,
yes,
just very fondly like thought of you.
But seeing Rue and Eggo like hit it off, I was i was like this is gonna be a good week for them oh yeah
and it it absolutely ego got two sketches on did thirsty cops with him it was beautiful beautiful
and then and then me and james were working on had this coal miners idea we were like we wanted
to do some dynasty like parody for the longest time we're like well rue's perfect for it and
then like i texted james on monday i was like maybe like maybe we're coal miners like something super like blue collar and
gritty uh and he was like i love that and so then james and i meet with rue in a different meeting
that night it was just four fucking gay men squawk me james tom brew squawking fucking quoting
fucking you know liz taylor and Kim Novak like throwing shade
at each other
Diane Carroll
Joe Collins
it was
so so so fun
and I was just like
this
I was like
and so that's when
I started like
I was putting pressure
on myself the whole time
I would imagine
I was like this
this never happens
yeah
even though I'm like
on my second year here
it's like I know
that this is so rare
not a lot of career hosts not a lot of career hosts i was like this is so like infectious and
this is the week to like go like yeah like fire on all cylinders and so i stayed there on tuesday
night till like 6 a.m longer than i've ever stayed ever just writing writing writing um went home
wednesday was a great table read.
And then like throughout the course of the week,
like things just kind of fell through.
And then the coal miner sketch got cut for time.
And that really just bummed me out.
And that was a lesson.
It was a lesson where I was like,
I both allowed myself to be bummed out
because it was like this,
there's not gonna be another host of Rue
until Rue comes back.
And then, so I allowed myself to be disappointed, but Rue until Rue comes back. And then,
so I allowed myself to be disappointed,
but then I also was like,
you know,
like this is,
this is a lesson.
This is,
I'm not going to internalize this in any bitter way,
but I'm just going to like,
know this feeling and just sort of like,
let it sort of enrich my whole like.
And ultimately you are slaying that show.
I was just like,
I just, I mean, we can say you're doing really well. I was just like, I just...
I mean, we can say you're doing really well.
I just put a lot of pressure on myself because it was Rue.
Yeah, of course.
That's all it was.
But you can't.
I mean, it had nothing to do with it.
I know.
It's just bad luck.
It's just bad luck.
And then the week...
It's still that job.
It's still fucking hard.
Totally.
And then the week before with Miss Watt, Miss JJ Watt,
wrote a sketch that fucking slayed a table
and then bombed a dress.
And of course it got cut and I was not surprised,
but that was, but then I told myself after that,
I was not too upset.
I was like, you know what?
That was like the full,
like that was the biggest gap I could have experienced
where something killed, killed, killed a table,
bombed, no laughs, silent a dress.
I was like, it's not going to get any worse than that.
Like that chasm is not going to get any bigger.
Like the difference.
And like, now I know what that feels like.
And I can just like move, move about my life.
But then the next week with Rue was just like, I just put so much pressure on myself.
And then I was, my body was falling apart by the end of it.
I was like, I got to like, yeah.
And then you guys were off the next week.
And then we're off the next week.
And then, and then, and then now I'm here.
But anyway, that was a long, that was a lot of Rue.
No, but I mean, the fact that Rue came into both of our lives around the same time.
That was so wild.
And truly was so easy to talk to.
Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
And also, the first time we sat down and it was like a meeting.
So I said, how are you?
And he goes, I don't see how that's any of your business.
And I laughed and I was like,'re 100 right so it's not and
i'm bad for asking no and then he laughed and he was like i do that to everyone and i was like yeah
and i'm basically like i think he i don't know it's like i would you would imagine that people
a lot of people probably are like weird around him like sure of course i'm what i'm so sorry i
asked yeah yeah yeah yeah and he's just like a goof he doesn't take life too seriously
which we love etc we love we know this um um we i want to talk well we talked a little bit about
rue rue so now we should talk about i have uh news i have theme park news bone and i went to
disneyland the other day to try to get on rise of the resistance we did not get on bowen has not
done rise of the resistance at disney it's all right i have done
it and have my review come on gag gag girl gonna have to ride that one gonna have to get on that
one gonna have to enjoy that one gonna have to say there's ray on that one gonna have to get
very scared of kylo ren on that one gonna have to do a little drop on that one gonna have to get my
life on that one oh my god gonna have to get very or get there very early in the drop on that one. Gonna have to get my life on that one. Oh my God. Gonna have to get there very early in the morning on that one.
So I was at Walt Disney World after we were in Puerto Vallarta.
I went with my boyfriend, Jared.
And he could not wake up early enough.
So then you went by yourself?
I went by myself.
Was it the same system where you book a boarding? Yes i was literally i was there at literally 6 30 in the morning
and i got yeah park opens at well that park opened that day at like seven oh god so i ended up getting
there getting a boarding group because it's like get to the park sign in to get a yeah yeah maybe
you get on the ride it's insane it's It's crazy. I got on it. Wow.
The whole thing is like 21 minutes long.
I love that.
There's like three different pre-shows.
All the characters are there.
Like Galaxy's Edge,
I've been saying kind of sucks
because like where are the characters?
Where's the fun?
The Millennium Falcon ride sucks.
Rise of the Resistance makes the whole thing.
Wow.
You gotta.
I mean like it's so good.
Really try to go.
And Bowen and I were there the other day
at 8 a.m.
when the park opened in Disneyland and we still did not get on the other day at 8 a.m. when the park opened
to Disneyland
and we still did not get on it
we got there at 7.45
the park opened to 8
we still didn't get on
truly crazy
but we went to
Galaxy's Edge
and I gotta say
you're saying
where are the characters
we literally saw
Ray and Chewie
but that was like not
that's not the norm
that's not the norm
yeah but anyway
this ride is
I saw Stormtroopers
I was like oh bitch
I'm there
this ride is the next level
I can't wait this ride is the next saw Stormtroopers. I was like, oh, bitch, I'm there. This ride is the next level.
I can't wait.
This ride is the next level. Someday I will.
It's so good.
And you gasped many times.
And I feel bad that we went.
And then you couldn't go on it.
But we'll get you on it.
I'm not quite Rogers level in my devotion to the parks.
Had to give my update on that one.
And I just want to say, to wrap things up,
there's a development coming okay and
you may have been seeing yes the quibi of it all oh what now quibi quibi quick bites quick bites
is an app y'all that's going to be like a streaming service netflix for apps yes but it is all eight
to ten minute episodes.
Netflix for apps.
Roughly.
And I have a show coming out on it that Bowen is on.
Called Game Show.
It's called Game Show.
And I'm going to be talking about this on the podcast.
Because I want the readers to download Quibi.
I support this.
You've got to download Quibi.
Because I think Game Show could pop off if you guys support.
It's very good.
Very fun.
And we'll talk more about it, but the Quibi of it all
is something that's happening in the culture and I had to mention.
And we saw it on Oscars
night when every other ad was Quibi.
Oh, and the Super Bowl.
And the Super Bowl.
And there's going to be more coming.
But listen.
There is more Quibi news
to be announced in both of our lives.
Oh, honey.
Just you wait.
But anyway, that was our culture catch-up
and we are going to do I Don't Think So, Honey.
Because it is an episode of Las Culturistas after all.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Just so you guys know, if you guys
are just joining us here on our new family,
our new home,
We are Las Culturistas, and we do a segment,
one segment called I Don't Think So Honey,
which is we take one minute to rant against something
in pop culture.
We also do live shows.
Bowen and I are going to announce some live shows soon,
probably in New York and Los Angeles.
No promises, but we are really looking forward
to getting back on the road and doing more i don't
think so honeys because they are our favorite thing they are our favorite thing and just to i
might as well sort of make a little statement on this um a lot of the touring cities that we went
to last year the recordings um ended up sort of at one stage or another being compromised or
unusable and it ended up ultimately being a network issue
where they didn't publish them,
even though they had the audio.
I mean, that's just what it is.
Yeah.
So if you're looking for those episodes to come out,
unfortunately, I don't think they were going to come out.
And it truly breaks my heart.
It was a bummer.
I actually lose sleep over it
because there's shows where all,
every one of those shows.
Yeah.
And we just want to let everyone know, like, it wasn't because any like city wasn't like a good show.
They were all such good shows.
And we were so excited to have every single one of them on the podcast.
And it just didn't happen.
But, you know, we're sorry about that.
If you were a performer on one of our shows that didn't get published.
But we promise. We're excited about it. But we were a performer on one of our shows that didn't get published, and you were excited about it,
but you killed.
So let me just quickly, quickly, quickly,
quickly shout out all of those cities
very quickly.
So Portland, Seattle, San Francisco,
Vancouver, Boston, Philly,
D.C., Dallas, Houston.
I'm sorry, D.C. and Houston.
We ended up canceling Dallas. We're so sorry.
But we will be back
and all the shows were so much
fun and we had a true blast
and so we'll be back very soon
we'll be back okay but this is I don't
think so honey Matt I have one do you have one
I do have one okay why don't you start this
one okay cool okay this is Matt Rogers I don't
think so honey his time starts now I don't think so
honey that everyone I've ever
hooked up with in my life gets uh literally the hottest um face and body two and a half years later oh this is a
phenomenon that is happening to just me unfortunately i have an affliction where i am sort of like dane
cook and good luck chuck but instead of getting married you get an incredible face and body that
you did not have prior um this does not go to this
is not saying that you were not attractive at the time it's just that after you hook up with me
approximately 24 months later you will be the hottest person of all time a model like linda
evangelista i don't think so honey that this is happening i don't like that i am magic but i am
i'm sort of like harry houdini and will me one day. Of course, Harry Houdini famously and incorrectly died in a magic accident.
Yes.
I support people becoming hot in their life,
but it frustrates me.
I think we should time this out better.
If you're going to hook up with me,
you should be hot now.
I promise to stay the same seven that that i am now and that's one minute
so you better not hook up with matt unless you're at your fucking peak well i feel like here's the
thing it's just frustrating because some some like i'll see someone i hooked up with like in
outside of the year 2011 and i see them now and i'm like oh you are um you've made a deal with
the devil okay i want to know.
We can bleep this out?
I'll tell you off mic.
Okay, tell me off mic.
But literally, I just scrolled through my phone,
and it's like, maybe this is just the disease of Instagram,
and everyone's just posting only good photos of them, but it's shocking what happens when you hook up with me,
because years later in your life,
you will be Sal a Hayek beautiful.
I know that.
Yeah.
And that's the,
that's the end.
That's the end point.
Anyway,
that's my,
I don't think so.
I love that.
I'm sorry,
but you know what?
You're in a beautiful relationship now.
Yes.
And I love my man.
That's good.
And I am.
And I love with him.
That's good.
I remain so,
so,
so,
I just said I'm in love with him. And you go, that's good i remain so so i just said i'm in love with him and you go that's good that's great i'm really happy for you oh fuck um help me i well i basically oh well
actually i should have done my i don't think so honey to raya who still pop you on the goddamn
wait list oh and let's we have our theories about why yeah well
i'm very upset they waitlisted me they they are we're still waitlisting me and miss phoebe
robinson is she still waitlisted well she was waitlisted for a while well now she's got in a
great relationship now she's in a great relationship but um you know yeah something's going on something
might be going on there raya i don't know um but anyway this is bowen yanks i don't think so yes and the thing about bowen yanks i don't think so on there, Raya. I don't know. But anyway, this is Bowen Yang's
I Don't Think So Honey.
And the thing about Bowen Yang's
I Don't Think So Honey
is his time starts now.
I Don't Think So Honey,
the casual way
we are talking about coronavirus.
I mean,
it's both being sensationalized
to completely,
completely be driven by,
it's capitalizing on fear
and it's also
in this weird way,
like twisting it where it's like, okay, but's capitalizing on fear. And it's also in this weird way, like twisting it where it's like,
okay, but the casualties that are happening all across Asia don't really matter.
And it's completely trivial.
Literally.
My cousin is in Wuhan right now.
He's a journalist.
He went with a bunch of doctors from Liaoning.
30 seconds.
He is at risk and it's really shaken up my family.
And it's like,
Oh yeah.
So you guys should all just fucking remember that there are real
fucking human beings who are going
into these insane
insane insane environments
and settings and putting their lives
on the line to like try to fix this
it's gonna get a little worse before it gets better but I promise
and I hope and I pray that it will
all end soon but you guys have to stop
casually like making fucking
jokes about like
wearing dumb face masks and shit.
And like,
it's so sad to me.
That's one minute.
And truly this is weird,
but like,
it's tough to like bring this up in certain settings where I would,
you would think that like the humanity wouldn't be lost on certain people,
but it's,
it so is.
And like, yeah, the humanity wouldn't be lost on certain people but it so is and like yeah close friends of mine
just are we're just are so quick to like again trivialize it and i'm like you guys yeah well
it's racism and it's it's i don't i believe that for a lot of people it's not conscious racism but
that's racism it's ingrained and so basically because this is happening in a world where like we said before it's the reason why you know this is very trivial to mention in the same
breath as this but it's like why we're not recognizing like people from the parasite cast
who should be it's because there is a facelessness and when it's part of western culture is you
completely wash out and dehumanize that part of the world. There's something that goes on in like the sort of
colonized brain, let's say, where
you just don't register an Asian face
like dying or
being a good actor. Right.
It's why, honestly, it's why the
attacks, the atom bombs,
that's why it's like, we don't talk about it.
It's like, we nuked. Yes.
And here's the fucking thing. I'm gonna get
fucking real for just a quick little second.
The people who fucking say that all I do is play Asian characters on SNL,
it probably has to do with the fact that I'm Asian,
but the fact that you guys think that all I do is play Asian characters as a joke
means that you think that being Asian is an unusual character trait.
So it collapses down to you seeing me on screen
and going, well, that person's weird
because they're Asian, I guess,
and that's all that this person can do.
Fuck off.
It is a bad faith thought for you to,
it's just a bad faith argument for you to think,
well, Bowen doesn't have the range,
but that's because you're selectively choosing
to look at the parts where it has happened to have,
like the characters that I play
have happened to do with my race.
Yeah.
Does that make sense?
Yes, of course it does.
I think that there's a lot of examination
that could happen right now in this moment.
And I really think that like like it it's it's sometimes like it feels like there's an opportunity right now for people to
step back and not feel like attacked or offended because like these things are being called out
but it's like you these things need to be examined and my words because it's it's it's it's very real
what bowen is saying and my words examine them yeah's, it's, it's, it's very real. What Bowen is saying.
And my words examine that.
Yeah.
So as I've said to miss Matt Rogers,
but I,
when I needed to examine this,
this is,
this is,
but also I want to make clear,
uh,
I mean,
I'm basically past it.
I'm a little deader inside than I was before.
And so it's not really getting to me anymore.
I'm truly that.
Well,
you left Twitter.
I left people are insane.
But my,
but my sort
of the thing that i keep reminding myself going forward is i'm like oh well people out there have
septic tanks for brains right right right and it's not my business to like try to like mold that poop
water into like actual gray matter yeah yeah yeah look anyway the world the world she cray she cray
and gonna have to keep my distance gonna have to keep my distance from that one.
Gonna have to keep my distance on that one.
I'm gonna have to call out that one.
Gonna have to call out that one.
But the good news is Las Culturistas is back to give you a healthy mix of what is football
and fuck you for being racist.
That's true.
Those are truly the two poles of this show.
We're so happy to be back. So happy back. So excited poles of this show we're so happy
to be back
so happy back
so excited to be back
we're so
we're on fire
we're on fire
we love
love love
our new friends
at iHeart
our new family
at iHeart
we really do
and we have a very good
feeling about this
oh we've got such good
episodes coming up too
let's just say
that the episodes
upcoming baby
we got
Nicole Byer.
We got Gabe Bleedman.
We got Aidy Bryant and Jimmy Fowley.
So that's your next month.
And maybe, just maybe,
Bowen and I will stick a couple of these solo episodes in there.
Oh.
I think that it would feel good to hear us get a little bit topical every now and then.
I like that.
I just like the tone of these is a little more looser yes and we love the culture
catch-up and we love the enjoy doing them sometimes during speaking and exchanging cultural ideas with
my friend you can you can stumble upon truths you didn't know that you felt i love that beautifully
put gonna have to reword that one gonna have no, gonna have to confirm the wording on that one.
Love,
lock it in on that one.
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