Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Good Walz" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

Mercury is in retrograde! And Las Cultch is crying on the mic! Matt and Bow gather in Bowen's Brooklyn home to discuss Kamala's wonderful VP selection, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, the difference betw...een douches and douchebags, coming back from being called "weird", tapping out during the workout, learning to love vegetables, and the way summer can sometimes be. Also, the boys saw Sing Sing and sing sing its praises, share thoughts on the final state of the Real Housewives of New Jersey and express frustrations with Spotify algorithm culture. All this, Matt admits his number of unread emails, Bowen kills a plant, and steamer clams are finally explained to those who do not know about them.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What?
Starting point is 00:00:19 You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to
Starting point is 00:00:46 take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chez Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Back at the table. Back at the Fifty Shades table. Yes. Across from my girl.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Staring her straight in the eye. I don't know who's the running mate and who's the presidential candidate. But that's sort of the vibe. You are, as a son of a football coach, like Tim Walls. Yeah. I think you might be Tim. Which is not to relegate you to a lower status. Honey, I'm used to it.
Starting point is 00:02:12 This is fine. And I am at least half Asian over here. Exactly. Exactly. And I don't know how much else. I don't know what the rest. I haven't done the 23 in me yet. But wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:02:24 What if you did? You should. I should. My sister did minute. What if you did? You should. I should. I, my sister did it and there's some interesting findings. I guess because she did it, you don't have to do it.
Starting point is 00:02:32 But I think the samples have only gotten bigger. You know what I mean? They're able to get more. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. As more people do it.
Starting point is 00:02:39 As more people do it. You know what I just realized though? The thing about this table is we can't get tactile. No, but we are reaching for each other. Actually, could we get tactile? Hold on The thing about this table is we can't get tactile. No, but we are reaching for each other. Actually, could we get tactile?
Starting point is 00:02:47 Hold on. Well, you had to come out of his seat. I had to come out of my... Don't worry. One we touched. Yeah, actually, you know, I had been really pulling
Starting point is 00:02:55 for walls because Shapiro was making me very nervous. Like, you said... Can I say what you said? Yeah. It was kind of giving douchebag energy.
Starting point is 00:03:03 I didn't say the bag. Douche. There's a huge difference between douchebag and douche. Yeah. It was kind of giving douchebag energy. I didn't say the bag. Douche. There's a huge difference between douchebag and douche. Yeah. Go ahead and explain it. Douchebag is, oh, like you're not even human to me. Yeah. Like you are so vile and awful and so off-putting.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Yeah. That like, I'm not even, I'm not going to give you the dignity. I'm going to say you're a bag of a person. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was just giving douche. Like he was saying things that were sort of like his tone that he was taking was giving douche,
Starting point is 00:03:34 not a douche bag. He's a, he's, he's a governor of Pennsylvania. He's going to not a douche bag. Wonderful, wonderful executive, whatever,
Starting point is 00:03:42 but it's just, he was already getting defensive about like the school voucher stuff and the, and the corporate tax cut stuff. It's like, he was already getting defensive about the school voucher stuff and the corporate tax cut stuff. It's like, we can't have this off the bat. And not great stuff coming out of the- The college days. From the college days regarding Israel, that's for sure.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Well, anyway- Some scary attitude. I'm sure I really look forward to him being in this next wave of Democrats sort of rising up. I think this veep stakes was kind of fun to follow. Yeah, I mean, what I think is like the right choice was made because to be honest, like if you need Shapiro to help us win Pennsylvania, just set him loose on Pennsylvania. The VP is going to have to campaign all over the country. I like Walsh.
Starting point is 00:04:24 He actually does remind me of my dad. I like Walsh. He actually does remind me of my dad. He's a football coach. He's giving football coach. It's giving football coach who also was head of the Gay-Straight Alliance, which is a real thing about him. And also Minnesota is the happiest state. And I think he speaks with a very clear voice of a leader. I think he keeps things like, he gives things the gravity they deserve, but he's also like, you gotta think it's a giggle fest over there at Harris Walls.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Yeah. It's gotta be, it's at least Lost Culture level. It's gotta be at least, maybe they should come on Lost Culture together and it's gonna be like our Josh and Aaron episodes. Just a cluck fest.
Starting point is 00:05:02 A cluck fest. And I think one of them has an Aaron Jackson style. I don't think so. Or, I'm sorry, a Josh Sharpe style. I don't think so, honey. That is... I don't think so, honey. My wife giving me blowjobs on my birthday. I really hope that one of them can get really real and just talk about
Starting point is 00:05:18 their sex life. And I don't think so, honey. Something they're unsatisfied with. But yeah, no, things are good. Karis Waltz, baby. We're going for it. I want to point out that there was a tweet last night from Josh Shapiro where he was just,
Starting point is 00:05:36 it was just a video of him like walking through a town in Pennsylvania. It seemed like it was... Staged? Not staged. It was just like something that like would have been in the reel
Starting point is 00:05:46 for the race had he been the pick but the tweet was this was like later last night it was let's go Pennsylvania 118 days
Starting point is 00:05:56 or whatever till Groundhog's Day people quote tuning it being like oh he lost oh he like he's out he's out
Starting point is 00:06:03 he actually announced he's tweeting about Groundhog's Day he's pivoted from the running. He actually announced. He's talking about Groundhog Day. He's pivoted from the Veep Stakes to Groundhog Day. To Groundhog Day. Wow, that is very funny. Honestly, I will say, the other one I guess they were talking about was Bashir. And Kelly.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Yeah, but Mark Kelly, I never really thought that was going to happen because I find him to be void of charisma. I don't think you can deny that Waltz has like an, he has like an X factor. Like he's the one that labeled them with the word weird that they're now running with because I think that's the thing that we've been missing
Starting point is 00:06:35 is in the discourse about what's going on is they are weird. Like this is weird. Like you look at them at the RNC. I mean, they brought out Hulk Hogan. Like it's fucking weird. Like you look at them at the RNC. I mean, they brought out Hulk Hogan. Like it's, it's fucking weird. Good luck trying to beat the weird allegations.
Starting point is 00:06:52 This is something I'm just saying, this is something we've known since the schoolyard. Oh yeah. I've been called weird and it's real. I've never been able to successfully convince people. Otherwise they're spitting out about it. Like everyone's saying JD Vance is weird. He's like, I'm not weird.
Starting point is 00:07:10 It's just, it's ridiculous. I'm not weird at all. It's, you call someone weird. It's, it's over. It's a kneecapping. It's a kneecapping. Like the only way you brush it off is by literally not acknowledging it. Well, this is, this is, I guess, the psychology of being called weird, right?
Starting point is 00:07:28 You get called weird. So then your response to that is to act like unbothered and too cool, right? And these people don't know how to do that. Oh, yeah. They do not know how to do that. They only know how to try to provoke and say the thing that they don't really believe that they only know how to like try to provoke and, you know, say the thing that they don't really believe that they know is going to get a reaction. And that's odd. And it's very try hard. You know what I mean? It's like, and I think we thought a few years ago that the,
Starting point is 00:07:55 or people thought like the meanness that comes from like Trump and his underlings was like real and it was real talk. And it was like, there was something maybe to whoever's voting for him maybe quote-unquote cool about it but now it's just like it's so sweaty everything they do feels like on paper like a joke it is weird i think it's the right weird it's the right weird to use it's the right word to use the right weird now let's let's pivot to something else. Sure, if that's what you want to do. I love going to the movies. I think, didn't we go last night now that I remember? We went last night to a film. We had an emotional time at the cinema. We had
Starting point is 00:08:34 a very emotional time at the cinema and you will too if you go see Sing Sing right now. Go see it. It's so just sublime. What a wonderful hopeful movie. Without it wonderful, hopeful movie. Without it being, it did not seem too triacly or schmaltzy. Although I love schmaltz.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I love when the chicken fat renders out onto the pan and I eat the chicken grease. But this is not, it was not too rich in that. It was like every moment of joy and tenderness is undercut by a moment of like oh the reality of prison of a facility like sing sing is extremely grim and dispiriting and dark and awful and it really kind of and i'm gonna say something so, so cringe. But I love a movie about theater. I love reminding- We should say what the movie is about.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Yes. Yes, I'm sorry. Because Bo and Yang, I don't know if everyone's done the homework. Okay, go, please, Tom. So the movie is about incarcerated men in Sing Sing. And one of the programs that they're involved in, or the program that these particular men are involved in,
Starting point is 00:09:44 is the ART program, which is... RTA. RTA program. That's okay. So... But it is ART. It's ARTPOP.
Starting point is 00:09:53 They were doing ART. They're in the RTA program, which is, you know, it's like essentially a theater group at the prison where they put on plays and it's not just something
Starting point is 00:10:02 that they're involved in. It's actually something that, you know, helps these men really process their emotions. A lot of incarcerated men, like, plays. And it's not just something that they're involved in. It's actually something that helps these men really process their emotions. A lot of incarcerated men don't have an outlet to process the anger at their situation, the grief at their situation, the feelings that they might have about their situation. And this is a film about a group of men who are engaged in this program and how it betters them and how it moves them forward and the dynamic relationships within that group. And it's Coleman Domingo is the star of this movie.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And what a hero on screen he is. Like he's just so... Winning. He's just like, you can track every single emotion. This is like a really, really perfectly calibrated performance in that it is brimming with emotion, but it's never indulgent. There's a scene, which I believe should be the Oscar clip and maybe even win him the Oscar, where he goes to his parole hearing. And he is attempting to, you know, it's a very, if you've ever seen like Shawshank Redemption, you know, they did a great
Starting point is 00:11:03 job of talking about what these parole hearings are like when these men have to go to this panel and basically explain to them that they're rehabilitated and that they are a viable candidate to be released back into the free world. And this particular scene, you see just how difficult that task is. And what really blew me away about Coleman Domingo's performance is that he never breaks, but he's always holding the emotion. And just the amount of restraint that he has, it reminds me of something that Jennifer Lewis said to me
Starting point is 00:11:39 on the set of I Love That For You, which is like, you don't cry, they cry. And he doesn't let it go until so late into the movie and i won't spoil anything because there's really a lot of very surprising things in the script too and it was a beautiful script but just have to commend him on his control of his emotional instrument which is at a top point it's it in a 0.0001 percentile of capability of actors that I've seen. And just on top of that, he's acting with basically almost entirely non-actors who are real alums of that program, non-professional actors anyway,
Starting point is 00:12:22 who were real incarcerated men who are now in this movie giving these performances. And the way as the number one on the call sheet, he must have made them feel comfortable and open and free and at ease to give these performances, some of which are fantastic, all of which are
Starting point is 00:12:39 good. Some of them just rise way above. Clarence Macklin. Oh my God. I think he should be nominated for the Oscar for this. Sean San Jose, who plays Mikey Mikey. Oh, sorry, Mike Mike, who is like Coleman's character's neighbor, like cell neighbor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Fantastic model. I mean, and also like Clarence Macklin, like helped to develop the story for this. And this guy's performances, I mean, talk about playing an arc. He comes in one way and he believably leaves a completely different way. Every
Starting point is 00:13:09 moment, so truthful, so real. There's a danger in him, but you're always wanting to know more, just like this movie is. I loved it. Yeah. Really, really enjoyed it, so go see it. It's a fucking contender, girl. Anyway, we did day yesterday.
Starting point is 00:13:26 We went to Barry's. I tapped out. You know what it was? I think that, so I've been going like every day. In the morning. In the morning. And I think going like really late in the afternoon or working out really late in the afternoon. People that work out after work, my hat is off to you. Hats off.
Starting point is 00:13:42 I need it in the beginning of the day. I just came back from the gym and I feel amazing. Yeah? But not like yesterday. And yesterday I was, I almost didn't make it to the damn film. You really thought that there was no chance you weren't going to make it to the film? No, I was going to make it to the movie. I was just like, it was my first time I've ever ended a Barry's class early.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Really? And it was next to me. And it was. How convenient that it was the very first time and I'm the only one who saw it. Liar. You always end. You never lie to me. And it was... How convenient that it was the very first time, and I'm the only one who saw it. Liar. You always end. You never lie to me, sister. But what a fun day with Matt.
Starting point is 00:14:12 I always love it when you're in town. Don't go. I know. I have to go tomorrow. It's been a very Pisces couple weeks for me, you guys. P-Town was fun. It was a mixed bag. I've been a little emotional for personal reasons.
Starting point is 00:14:26 But like, summer, I think, is like wearing down on me now. It's a mixed bag. Yeah. Summer is a mixed bag and that's a rule of culture. That's rule of culture
Starting point is 00:14:33 number what? I think 94. Summer is a mixed bag. I'm on the record as saying, I don't think so, honey, summer. And then you told me
Starting point is 00:14:42 you do like summer and I was like, I promise you, I don't. But this is where we meet in the middle. It's a mixed bag. There are things that I'm sure you love about summer. I am positive you love certain things about summer. You don't hate it wholesale. No, no, I don't hate it wholesale. In fact, I always go into it excited and then I just get fucking exhausted. And I'll be real. I think that mid-30s is really hitting hard.
Starting point is 00:15:07 And I am now in the mind frame of like, okay, what changes do I have to make? Because I think that, I don't know what it is, but I'm starting to examine a lot of things about my life. And I'm like, it sometimes is, it's a little overwhelming to think just at this age, like, where do I live? You know what I mean? Like, I'm like half between New York and half between LA, which I thought would be cool. But now it's just kind of like, it's cool in your twenties.
Starting point is 00:15:35 It's cool. I think it's, yeah. If you can pull off bi-coastal in your twenties, like hell yeah. Congratulations on the money you made too. Like that was not my reality, but I thought it would be, and it has been fun to be like free and have that availability to go wherever I want and do whatever I want to do. But it's getting to the point where it's like, no one ever knows where you are. It's very hard to date like this.
Starting point is 00:15:57 And I think the travel just really, I mean, like me telling you that travel wears on you, like obviously you know, but it does wear on you. And it's just like, it's very taxing. And also the social media element of the summer is very overwhelming. And I also get that it looks like I'm fucking killing it
Starting point is 00:16:14 on social media in the summer. Like people have been like, wow, your summer looks amazing. And I'm like, really? Cause I've been sad most of the days. And that's not for anyone to be like, oh, pity him or like what's going on. It's just like a reality and I think I don't know I'm starting small
Starting point is 00:16:28 I'm starting with drinking a lot less maybe not really at all and you showed me that app that you've been using I'm gonna get some guff for this but what is it it's okay that you get guff because it's what it's I told Matt about 75 hard and some people might know about
Starting point is 00:16:44 this it's a very i would say incredibly broey like i would say douchier than a tim ferris situation it's like but i think the framework around it is i can agree with that it's like here's what's going on tell Tell us what it is. The full Monty 75 hard is two 45-minute, this is every day. This is a laundry list. Two 45-minute workouts. One of them should be outside, which
Starting point is 00:17:15 good luck in the winter. That's so hard already. I know. I'm already like two. Anyway, let me just get through. This is like the full version and I do, I downloaded an alternate app that is basically the same idea, but it's not quite as like toxic mask. And it's just a little bit more like soft. But it's two 45 minute workouts a day.
Starting point is 00:17:34 You drink one gallon of water, 128 milliliters, or I'm sorry, ounces, 128 ounces, which is double the recommended 64. It's so much water. This program is a full-time job already. It's 16 eight-ounce glasses of water when people tell you to drink eight and you're good. And even that's like, good luck.
Starting point is 00:17:53 10 pages of reading a day. I say 10 minutes. It depends on the pagination. It depends on the line spacing, whatever. And then no drinking, alcohol, and no cheat meals slash you should be on a diet, that thing. I'm like, oh no, whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:11 What I'm sort of like going towards right now is 20 vegetables a week. 20 vegetables a week? And it's fun. And actually, it's a diet without being a diet because I'm like, let me just get the vegetables in. Yeah, can I say something? Love vegetables. I love, I love roasting vegetables on a damn sheet pan.
Starting point is 00:18:32 Babe, you heard me talk about cucumber here. Yes. You heard me get into it about cucumber. And by the way, people have been reaching out and saying they've been doing that cucumber thing that I talked about. Remind us what the cucumber thing is. It was that you cut up the cucumber and put a little bit of hot sauce and some salt and pepper on a plate and you just, you mix it up. Like it's like tossed.
Starting point is 00:18:45 I love it. Almost like buffalo cucumber. Yes. But people have been saying that it is the snack of the summer. It's the snack of the summer. And it's actually a nominee next year at the culture awards for best snack. Best snack, cucumber with a little bit of hot sauce. No, I think we announced that.
Starting point is 00:18:59 I think we did too. I think we did too. Wow. But no, I love vegetables. There's parts of that that do sound too much. Yeah, what sounds like too much? Well, committing to two 45-minute workouts a day is a lot. So on this alternate app, which let me find it.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Because once I work out once, I'm like, okay, I worked out today. And also the thing about the dieting is like, that's why you work out is so that you can eat sort of whatever you want to eat. And you can have cheat meals. That language starts to get fuzzy for me. It's called 75 Days Challenge rather than 75 Hard. 75 Hard, it's a little bit like, anytime you miss a day,
Starting point is 00:19:35 it's like there's a picture of the guy who founded it. This buff, mean-looking dude who's like, did you give up? No, I hate that. I hate that. It's a little too much. That's too Shapiro for me. It's a little too much. That's too Shapiro for me. It's a little too Shapiro.
Starting point is 00:19:46 I need a Tim Waltz summer. I need a Tim Waltz 75 days challenge. So now I'm on the medium difficulty, medium challenge. I'm on day five. Okay. And it's just one workout. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And that's basically it. Yeah. Okay, cool. And also- You just work out once and that's it. Well, then the soft and then the easy setting is one workout, 10 pages, diet, water. You can drink in social situations. Yeah, that's, I mean, honestly, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I'm not even saying I'm sober now. I'm just saying it has to change. We have to adjust. We have to dial it down so we can dial it back up if we want to just to like. Have the energy. Have the balance. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is it's like late July, August hit.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I think I had my literal breaking point on Monday. A P-Town? Yeah. And we had just gotten there. And I was just like, okay, you know what? I am emotionally exhausted. Yeah. I am emotionally exhausted. And I like don't, it's not that I don't know why, but I don't know enough about why I feel like this
Starting point is 00:20:52 to the point where I'm like, let's just try to actively be healthier. And I'm really happy that I've been prioritizing exercise. And I'm not saying like, I think anyone should cut out alcohol. I'm not making any decisions for you. It's just something that's been on my mind a lot more. But what a wonderful instinct for you to like understand
Starting point is 00:21:12 what your coordinates are right now and be like, oh, let me, I know what to do or let me try this out. You're doing EMDR. You're- Well, every now and then. Well, you're just doing it. It doesn't matter how often. And you are taking very concrete actions.
Starting point is 00:21:39 This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic.
Starting point is 00:21:49 With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion.
Starting point is 00:21:59 And below deck sailing out. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.
Starting point is 00:22:23 And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian González story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network,
Starting point is 00:23:06 available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the
Starting point is 00:23:25 age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened,
Starting point is 00:23:55 I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. How are you feeling? I feel pretty good. Yeah. I feel pretty good. That's good. Yeah, that's it I feel good what a nice answer though like I feel pretty good and that's it there's not much to elaborate on no I've got nothing to complain about
Starting point is 00:24:32 I really don't like what a huge 180 from last summer but I'm really sorry you feel this way it's been hard to watch you struggle but I know I have to give you some space I'm always there for you. That's another thing is
Starting point is 00:24:47 like I am so much more introverted than I used to be. And I'm wondering about why. I wonder what that is. Like my social battery drains so much faster than it used to drain. I think because I think honestly because I'm not settled anywhere.
Starting point is 00:25:04 I genuinely think I can trace it down to the bi-coastal thing is not working for me. No. And that makes me sad because I'll have to sacrifice something in each city. Like, I love New York because it's fun. And like, I genuinely think like, like my group of friends is here. You know what I mean? I feel like it's dating is more fun here in New York. I think that that's like, and dating is more fun here in New York. I think
Starting point is 00:25:25 that that's like, and I like being close to my family. I love New York energy, but then in Los Angeles, like I'm like a healthier version of myself. I take care of myself more. Like I have a couple of relationships there that are like indispensable to me, like Jared and Greta, like truly and Sudi. I'm like, I would, I don't know what I would do if I was not, if I didn't have those within access to me. But it's the first time in my life where I have no instinct about what to do. What to do as in where to be? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Yeah. As in, like, where to be, like, where to put my roots down and where to, like, start things. I thought I knew. And then all of a sudden I confused myself. And I think it's because, you know, well, a lot of reasons, but like when you don't have to worry about the career anymore and the career is all you worried about for your twenties, it's like, now it's like,
Starting point is 00:26:16 that's the part of my life I feel most secure about. That's good. That's good. No, it's good. But then all of a sudden you're like, oh, I only ever focused on that. You know what I mean? That's good. No, it's good. But then all of a sudden you're like, oh, I only ever focused on that. You know what I mean? That's not really true. My social life is wonderful. I have my close friends and I mean, I have lots of things. But the realization that like you might be behind in one area because you gave everything to another is I think maybe a mid thirties moment. It's just reframing what you are saying about like, you thought you knew where to be, but you didn't arrive at a decision because what your quote unquote decision was, was splitting time between two places, which is not a decision. Right?
Starting point is 00:27:00 Yeah. It's, it's literally actually trying to have it both ways. Yeah. Which is wonderful. And you really made it work. Yeah. And I am so awestruck at the way you've like really made it.
Starting point is 00:27:11 I feel like you were genuinely the only girl I knew who was making the bicoastal thing like look good. I feel like it's like a dirty word too, bicoastal. It's just funny. It's like made up. Yeah. Well, like it's like I'll be on the dating app and they'll be like, so where do you live? And I'll be like, well, I'm in, I'm bi-coastal in New York and LA. And I just feel like it's like, it's already like, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Okay. Like no one, no one wants to get involved with someone that's like not around. Sure. Like who wants that? Yeah. I do have to bring up my first two seasons working at SNL. Heidi Gardner and Julio Torres
Starting point is 00:27:47 submitted a sketch twice and I really wish it would have gotten picked but it was just a girl named Who's calling? It's Jared, obviously.
Starting point is 00:27:59 I'll call you back, Jared. Hi, Frida. Frida's second appearance. I know. He's major on the podcast. Third appearance in like as many weeks, I think. Did that count as an appearance? I think so.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Should I have answered the call? No, no, no. Don't answer. Oh, my God. No. Heidi and Julio wrote a sketch about a woman named Deirdre. Julio loves this name, Deirdre, because as you know, Deirdre is also a name in the actress. Yes, love Deirdre as a name Julio loves.
Starting point is 00:28:24 But it was Heidi playing a woman named Deirdre is also a name in the actress as a name julio um but it was heidi playing a woman named deirdre heidi does give deirdre heidi gives deirdre but then her whole thing was her catchphrase was in this accent which i can't quite place is i'm deirdre i'm bi-coastal Coastal. Her whole thing was, I work at Chipotle. Bicoastal Chipotle employee. Bicoastal Chipotle employee named Deirdre is the Heidi Gardner, Julio Torres Van Dyke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Here's the thing about the Deirdre lifestyle, which is what I'm going to call Bicoastal from now on. The Deirdre lifestyle, title of that? The Deirdre lifestyle title of that. The Deirdre lifestyle. The thing about that is like, if Deirdre is anything like me,
Starting point is 00:29:10 she also doesn't like really like either of her apartments because I also don't own anything. So that's the other thing is it's like, I go to my own. You don't have to own it to like it. No, I know. But like,
Starting point is 00:29:22 I'm just saying like, maybe it would be better and maybe I would enjoy my Deirdre lifestyle a little bit more. If you liked it to like it. No, I know. But like, I'm just saying like, maybe it would be better and maybe I would enjoy my Deirdre lifestyle a little bit more. If you liked one of them. If I, no, maybe, yeah, sure. If I liked one of them, but like, you know what it is?
Starting point is 00:29:33 It's like in New York, I have like a great location, but it's not the dream. Like you had a drummer, you had the kid drumming a fucking storm. Guys, I have to tell you that my neighbor in my New York apartment, his son got a drum storm. Guys, I have to tell you, my neighbor in my New York apartment, his son got a drum kit.
Starting point is 00:29:46 That is such a huge no-no in New York City. You cannot buy a drum set in New York. And especially because he knows how thin the walls are. He knows he's in New York City. New York City. Yeah. You cannot play the drums. No.
Starting point is 00:30:04 I'm sorry. Or you go to drum class. You go to drum class, you go to a studio, you rent the drums. No. I'm sorry. Or you go to drum class. You go to a studio, you rent it out. Oh, I'm sorry. And then part of me feels bad because I'm like, you know, like this kid might grow up to be Ringo Starr. Like, and then I ran into the guy in the hallway and he goes, hey, you're Matthew, right? And I was like, yeah. He's like, you're in 4F.
Starting point is 00:30:22 I was like, mm-hmm. And he was like, yeah. He's like, you're in 4F? I was like, mm-hmm. And he was like, sorry about the drums. And I was like, yeah, I wasn't going to make an issue of it just because it's been one day. But I do wonder if it's going to get better. And the guy goes to me, this was funny. He goes, well, trust me, it's a lot louder in there than it is out here. Well, he signed up for it and you didn't. I'm like, be that as it may.
Starting point is 00:30:43 You should have gone Dolores Catania on his ass. Oh, we'll get to that. I apologize. Well, you didn't. I'm like, be that as it may. You should have gone Dolores Catania on his ass. Oh, we'll get to that. I apologize. Well, you should apologize. Well, you should apologize. Well, you should apologize. You think I'm a slob? And then I was like, you are a lying cunt.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Wait, no. Okay, so then he was like, don't worry, I'm going to get panels. And I was like, what? No. I kind of was like, oh, great. And then I said to him, I was like, well, it'll all be worth it when he becomes Ringo Starr. And the guy goes, what? I kind of was like, oh, great. And then I said to him, I was like, well, it'll all be worth it when he becomes Ringo Starr. And the guy goes, yeah, I hope so.
Starting point is 00:31:11 And goes to his apartment. And I'm like, okay. It might be time to hang it up. He's a great father, clearly. There's something else in my heart, which is like, I don't want to discourage this kid's artistic impulses. Of course. And we're not saying now, This is not the kid's fault.
Starting point is 00:31:26 It's just... It's really tough to buy drums in this city or any city where people are stacked up on top of each other. It's not the instrument to give your kid if your living situation is apartment, especially apartment with
Starting point is 00:31:43 walls this thin. Like, I swear to God, I'll sometimes watch like YouTube videos on my laptop. And you turn it down. And I'll be thinking, am I bothering my neighbors? That's the porn thing for me. Classically, I'm like, am I playing this porn too loud? Oh, this is the worst.
Starting point is 00:32:00 When you have to put yourself on self-tape for an audition. Oh, terrible. Well, you probably don't do that anymore. I know, but I know that. But like when you have to put yourself on self-tape for an audition and you're in your apartment, you probably don't do that anymore. I know, but I know that. But when you have to put yourself on self-tape for an audition and you're in your apartment and you have to do it several times and sometimes you have to get angry or yell or say things that are not
Starting point is 00:32:13 what you are saying, but they're what the character is saying and you think, what the fuck are they thinking out there right now? I'm saying these lines that are beyond insane. You can't care because guess who doesn't care? Cecily Strong. Because the entire time she worked at SNL,
Starting point is 00:32:29 she was screaming, trying out accents and different characters in her apartment. She was like, I don't fucking care. Like say what you want. I'm Cecily Strong. Yeah. But you know what though? I guarantee Cecily Strong had a nice apartment with good walls.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Who knows? Just like Tim. Good walls. Good walls. Maybe good walls is the name of the episode. That's better. That's a better like Tim. Good Walls. Good Walls. Maybe Good Walls is the name of the episode. That's better. That's a better title episode
Starting point is 00:32:48 than the Deirdre Lifestyle. Because we're going to look at the Deirdre Lifestyle and be like, what the fuck is that? Good Walls, they're clicking. They're clicking.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Also, good luck trying to spell the name Deirdre. Can I try? I mean, there's no right or wrong answer is the thing, but go. This is the way you spell it.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Okay, okay. D, well, let me do it like it's a spelling thing, but go. This is the way you spell it. Okay. D. Well, let me do it like it's a spelling bee. We should have a lost culture spelling bee one day. Oh! That would be cool. Ah! Yeah. We should definitely do a lost culture spelling bee.
Starting point is 00:33:15 That's really good. That's really good. And it's like, your word is Scherzinger. And then everyone has to be like, can you use it as a sentence Nicole Scherzinger will appear as Gloria not Gloria Swanson what's her face
Starting point is 00:33:33 Sunset Boulevard Norma Desmond Gloria Swanson played Norma Desmond well don't worry honey because when it comes next year on Broadway we're going we're seeing Norma what was I saying, Oh, this is how you spell it. Deirdre.
Starting point is 00:33:51 D I E R D R E. Deirdre. I would say that is, that is my spelling as well. Should we text Julio and see how he spells it? I'm texting him right now. Julio. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:02 I'm, I'm actually going to CC you too. Okay, great. CC you Julio. We are talking going to CC you too. Okay, great. CC you. Julio. We are talking about... How do you spell... Oh, now I guess I'm going to have to spell it.
Starting point is 00:34:14 The name... Are you texting him separately when I'm on this one? I'm on the thread with you. Okay. How do we get across what name we want to spell? Let's voice them out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Deirdre.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Hold on. Deirdre. Oh, but here's how Apple dictation spells it. Okay, how? D-E-I. No, that's so stupid. Honey. D-E-I-R-D-R-E.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Dr. Dre. Okay, I don't think that there's any way that he's going to come back and say D-E-I-R-D-R-E. Well, I don't want... The air drop. I hope his phone, and I'm sure it doesn't, I hope his phone does not have the dictation, sort of like the transcription, the auto transcription.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Julio has not updated his phone since 2017. That reads. He probably should. He has 10,000 unread emails. You're fucking kidding. How many do I have? I shouldn't talk. Wait, how many do I have? Oh my God, you're not going to believe this. Tell me the number. I'll tell you my number first.
Starting point is 00:35:18 No, this is really scary, actually. Do you know how many unread emails I have? 35,689. Bowen, I'm not kidding. Look. 35,689. How have you not gone mad? Because let me tell you something about my inbox, and I'm looking at it right now. It is all bullshit. It's all SAG, Astra Communications, American Express, Delta Airlines, Lyft receipts, Google Calendar. I get like Google Calendar emails. Don't ever say anything about the union being bullshit. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:35:49 I just mean what they're sending me is bullshit. Sure. The union's not bullshit. You need to scroll down and click unsubscribe on these hoes. I know. I know. And trust me, I never wanted to be like this. You think I ever wanted to be sad in the summer?
Starting point is 00:36:05 35,689 emails in my Gmail, unsure of how to spell Deirdre. Single. Burnt out. This is about to be an episode of Hoarders where I'm showing you the dead, flattened cats, the carcasses, and you are screaming, crying, running out of the house. We need to go through this email account. It's totally fruitless at this point. But meanwhile, I think you're so on out of the house. We need to go through this email account. But meanwhile- It's totally fruitless at this point. But meanwhile, I think you're so on top of the emails. I am on top of all the important ones.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Anything that we're on together, anything that needs my attention, I respond immediately. I'm just telling you, I get so much bullshit in here. Like so much bullshit in here. Who the fuck is Scott Dworkin? And why do I need to know from him that Kamala Harris
Starting point is 00:36:45 picks Tim Waltz for VP? I have like literally Instagram for that. I can hear from Kamala herself. God knows she texts me on an automated message three times a day. You gotta stop. You gotta stop to quit those. Babe, it's like weeds though. You stop to quit one, six more pop up. Nancy Pelosi, I lose my number. I'm
Starting point is 00:37:02 so grateful for you and what you've done to get Waltz picked. Don't text me. I thought when you for you and what you've done to get Waltz picked. Don't text me. I thought when you said Weeds, you were going to talk about the TV show. Little Box is on the hillside. Is that the theme song of Weeds? Yes. I never really watched Weeds.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Oh, I loved Weeds. The first three seasons were good. I think season four, they were trying to make it new and fresh. I think they moved to Tijuana or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember them rebooting a lot. Now it's like, aren't they supposed to reboot it? Oh, yeah, I heard this. I think they are supposed to fully bring it back.
Starting point is 00:37:34 And I'm like, so what? Is she going to start selling cocaine? Because weed's a whole thing. Weed's kind of, thanks to people like Tim Walz, it ain't no thing. It ain't no thing. I mean, we can literally walk outside into the corner store. By the way, you've never smoked weed like the
Starting point is 00:37:49 weed you can get on the street in New York. I'm telling you. I don't really get it off the street. Oh, I do. Oh, you're talking about, like, the shops? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about, like, calling the girls. The shops are, like, okay. Meanwhile, shout out to the travel agency. But, you know, all the weed shops. Love. I'm not even talking about, like, any of the, travel agency. But all the weed shops.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Love. I'm not even talking about like any of the boutique-y places. I'm talking about when you walk into a place like a bodega and they got shit that's like rolled in keef. Yeah. You're on planet moon. Yeah. And I swear to you, Jared Frieder, the biggest stoner I know, he can't handle the weed that I smoke. That's saying something.
Starting point is 00:38:28 Yeah. And by the way, I'm also aware of the fact that like, I do have this big major vice, which is marijuana, but I won't give that up. No, no, no, no, no. And I only do it- No one's telling you, 75 Hard is not telling you to give that up. And I did ask you that. I was like, is 75 Hard making me stop smoking weed?
Starting point is 00:38:44 I did take a peek at the subreddit unfortunately. Not unfortunately. The 75 Hard subreddit? It's a whole thing. I just looked up like 75 Hard, can you smoke weed? And there's a whole bunch of threads on Reddit and the people in the comments were like, well
Starting point is 00:38:59 the guy, this big mean guy who invented it, who like confronts you on the OG app. I remember him. invented it, who like confronts you on the OGL. Yeah, right, I remember him. He goes, the reason they tell you to give up alcohol is to like get out of the brain fog. And weed kind of gives you the same thing. But I'm like, no, but weed kind of like, weed opens up something for me.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Alcohol like fucking shuts it down. Yeah. You know? For me, it's like a weed actually like makes me come down to a normal level because my anxiety is out of control. But like, remember when we were in Amsterdam, we went to that museum and they had that Robbie Williams exhibit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Do you remember that one room where it was a picture? It was like a picture of someone's head and there was like a million thoughts in the head that were like, this is me when I go into a social interaction. And you felt like you were looking to the damn mirror. I was so shook by it. I was like, we weren't stoned, were we? No,
Starting point is 00:39:50 we weren't. But I was just like, this is the reason why I look for ways to quiet things down. Like is because there is, I can't stop thinking. I can't stop. Like inside out too. When anxiety played by Mile Hawk, took the wheels and drew up the 500 things that could happen in your brain at any given time based on any event that may happen.
Starting point is 00:40:27 I was like, that things, whether it's shows we're doing, sometimes this podcast, or social interactions I have. And if I assess myself, I'm like, wow, you really did the most. You're exhausted. That's just my anxiety responding in a way where it's like, do more, fill the space. Don't let there be silence. Don't be boring. That's you flushing the thoughts in your head. Yeah. It's just been really interesting to deeply understand that that is the way that my social anxiety manifests in a way that probably no one would ever think I have it, but I have it so bad. And it's incredibly hard for me to get out of the house. And then when I get somewhere, I'm seeming fine because I'm going a mile a minute and turn the charm on 100% and like, you know, me. But like, then I leave and I'm like exhausted. And I feel like I never really knew that people identified with it in that way. I just thought I was like, you know, crazy and at 10 and like, was me, Matt Rogers, like a heightened person. But like, I'm now understanding. And honestly, the Robbie Williams exhibit helped me realize
Starting point is 00:41:30 this, like, oh, this is like an anxiety response I'm having. Like, I'm not comfortable. And so that's why I can't slow down. I think anxiety is also like a future focused thing. You are just accounting for all these different outcomes. Yeah. I feel like you are constantly thinking about the future because, and I don't know if this sounds silly, but it's like,
Starting point is 00:41:54 I think it's because you constantly have, literally, a flight to catch. That's kind of funny. You know when you have travel plans and you're kind of thinking about, it's like what the scaries are and stuff?
Starting point is 00:42:06 You just have a different place to be in a matter of days. And that is going to put you in that space constantly. I completely understand why you feel that way based on what I project. Because I think when I'm around any of my friends or anyone else, I want people to think I'm moving, I'm around like any of my friends or anyone else like I want people to think like I'm moving I'm going because when I am by myself all I think about is the past so like when I'm I I get
Starting point is 00:42:33 so stuck oh my god I get so stuck in like what like what's happened and stuff like that i can't like that i feel like i have to like then like put so much on the schedule and stuff like that like it's just like a lot and i can never just like sit like in a moment so i can never enjoy anything i'm sorry no i'm sorry matt it's okay i mean like I didn't even mean to be like this what do you mean because we don't mean to be like anything now I like will start judging myself for doing this on the podcast um
Starting point is 00:43:13 girl I don't know I think I'm just like because now tomorrow I'm leaving again and I'm like I don't know I just trying to figure out like this is what I'm saying Matt Matt. You have literally no grounding. Yeah, it's true. You have...
Starting point is 00:43:31 You're living the Deirdre lifestyle. I know. The Deirdre lifestyle is chipping away at me, I think, because it's been like a year and a half of it. And it's connected to other things. And it's just like yeah. But I literally will be fine
Starting point is 00:43:49 because I think the fact that I'm even able to acknowledge all this stuff means a positive thing. I think the dam breaking a little bit emotionally is good. And I think that alcohol will make me very sad when I'm in this state. I kind of feel like, remember on Beverly Hills and Kyle Richards was like,
Starting point is 00:44:06 I can't afford to be tired and sad in the morning. I can't drink. It's dark. Yeah, I know it's for me. It's, I don't think it's that dark, but it is like,
Starting point is 00:44:16 I do get that. I'm like, I can't add the extra thing right now of like, right. Why would you like, if that's like, if that's the toggle or if that, if that like flips the toggle, or if that flips
Starting point is 00:44:26 the switch, then there's no reason to do it. You know what I mean? I also think it's just like a myth that it's something you need. You know what I mean? It's really not. Well, this is what people point out all the time, especially
Starting point is 00:44:41 in like AA, is like, it's so hard because it is literally shoved in our faces constantly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking about us like-
Starting point is 00:44:57 Doing ads. Absolute vodka. Sure. But I mean like, but that's not- No, that's to have a nice celebratory time. And guess what? I think that every now and then, have a Cosmo.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Me, me, back to me. You get in the chat. Julio answered, what the fuck is that? He's playing with us. No, Deirdre, no. He just sent back, D-E-I-R
Starting point is 00:45:21 D-R-E-I Deirdre. Tell him, yeah, this is too much. D-E-I-R-D-R-E-I. No. Dare Dre. Dare Dre. No way. Tell him, yeah, this is too much. You are indulging him. Yeah, he is being very indulgent. As he's wont to do.
Starting point is 00:45:36 As he's wont to do. We love him for that. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us?
Starting point is 00:45:54 I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo,
Starting point is 00:46:09 or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother, trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban,
Starting point is 00:47:00 I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.
Starting point is 00:47:19 This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story, from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Anyway, I will not continue to drag this into the depths. No, but see, what is this instinct of not wanting to talk about this? Unless you really don't feel comfortable talking about it.
Starting point is 00:48:28 I think the instinct to not want to talk about it is just, well, clearly I did talk about it. So, and it's been the way that I'm feeling for like kind of a while. And I think that maybe the reason for my new connection with Lana Del Rey, but I will say this, all the music that I'm listening to actually is starting to terrorize me.
Starting point is 00:48:47 It's starting to chase me around. So I need to get out of the loop that I'm in. You're in a loop. I literally think, and this is something I've been... I need to Spotify, I need to wipe it clean and just start fresh.
Starting point is 00:49:02 I don't know how to do that because literally it's like... There's a whole piece fresh. I don't know how to do that. Because literally it's like, it's like. There's a whole piece in the New Yorker about how the Spotify user experience is actually really damaging. And it's like, not, sorry, we love, we love you Spotify. But also like the way the user experience is designed does not incentivize you to discover new things. It literally, the other day Bowen, I was in a bad mood and I swear to God, I love, I love her so much. I love her so much. Lana. But I did not want to listen to Chapel Roan again. I understand. I did not want to listen to Espresso again. I understand. I
Starting point is 00:49:39 actually needed a little bit of a break from Tortured Poets. It was making me too sad. I didn't want to, and then I literally looked, it was almost like I couldn't find new music. It was almost like I was like, Spotify would only regurgitate to me things that I had listened to before or things that were
Starting point is 00:49:57 exactly the same. And I'm like, wait, it really boxes you into this zone and keeps you there so that it can identify more easily what you like and pummel you with it. This is the James Seamus thing. Yeah. Like, at a certain point, you go, I don't want any of this right now. None of it.
Starting point is 00:50:18 It's dating apps. It's shopping online. It's streaming. It's like, I'm sorry. Forget about how dating apps has attacked me recently. I'm harping on this so much, but talk about this. Forget about it. It's almost like, it's actually scary.
Starting point is 00:50:32 It's almost like, well, I'm not going to see this person. Boom. Well, I'm not going to see this type of person. Boom. Well, I'm not going to, this will never happen. Boom. It's just like, I hate feeling so known and basic by my devices you know what i mean it's like it will literally make you feel like the smallest person in the world your phone
Starting point is 00:50:52 and this is another gabe liebman shout out from his seminal stand-up album hi um but this was before like we had like a common like discourse around algorithms and shit. Like it came out like 2014, I want to say. I might be getting the date wrong, the year wrong. But he has a whole joke where he's like, it's creepy how Netflix finds out that you're gay because you don't tell it that. Because meanwhile, like I go on Facebook and I'm like, I'm gay, but I'm a big old homo. And then the whole right side of my screen is tank tops, tank tops for sale. Which is like, this is the thing though.
Starting point is 00:51:34 It's like, why does it feel like an insult? Does it feel, is this what you're saying? Because it makes you feel like your interests are very limited. That's what it is. And I know that's not true about myself. Yes. And I honestly think if I'm to be very real, I think it hurts this podcast sometimes. Of course it does.
Starting point is 00:51:54 We're like, oh, we're talking about the same shit. I feel redundant and boring. And so sometimes I'm just like, you know what? It might be nice for some app to force me to read a book. And I have really, I've been trying to put myself out there in regard. I honestly, a lot of it was self-protection and pop music is a drug. Yeah. And especially as it gets shorter, it's like a little tiny hit that's supposed to make
Starting point is 00:52:19 you feel better in a second. And guess what? A lot of these girls are really good at it and doing it in elevated ways i think that's what pisses me off kind of about woman's world is because it's trying to be nothing and so therefore it is and when it gets in my ears i'm like a little insulted i'm like this is such bullshit garbage nothing that i feel like you thought you really could get away with it and you used to actually challenge the pop landscape, Katy Perry. Like I'll say again,
Starting point is 00:52:48 like when you came out with, I kissed a girl, everyone was like, who's that? What's she all about? That's a new perspective. This is a new sound. This is a new thing.
Starting point is 00:52:56 She was like a warped tour, like pop girl. It was like a new, fresh thing. Now she's, it's a woman's world. And I'm sorry. I know that lifetimes is better
Starting point is 00:53:06 but it's the same thing you know what i mean it's her second single is called lifetimes i get that it's like a better song and it's not as like on the nose vanilla like but it's also have you not heard it yet i heard it she's pushing it like they're already moving on to the second single because the first one was such a flop. But even that song, like, yeah, you could definitely turn this on at a gay party and we could all, like, not think about it. For sure. It's just
Starting point is 00:53:33 ambient. It's not doing anything. I mean, first of all, I want to say I've made the switch over to Apple Music. Enjoying it. But that might turn into the same thing. So far, not. Because it's reminding me of iPod days.
Starting point is 00:53:50 And I happen to like some discovery stuff on there. There's an app called SongShift that'll just import your whole Spotify library over to Apple if you want that. But it sounds like you want to start fresh, which may, but like, whatever. It's there for you if you want. I've been like dipping into techno,
Starting point is 00:54:06 like Sven from Berghain, like curating a techno playlist. And I'm like, oh, like, like he has one on Apple. And I'm just like listening to it. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:54:12 this is perfect. This is perfect every day. It doesn't feel like, like what you're saying, like a quick hit of something. It just feels, it is intentionally ambient rather than like deceptively ambient. And the way that like Lifetimes might be like
Starting point is 00:54:26 put it on a gay party and I guess we'll just like do other stuff while that plays techno is like I'm reading to this and it works or I'm just like doing washing the dishes to techno and it's a vibe and I'm like this is like there's an authentic thing to this kind of music and to listening to music in this way where you're like
Starting point is 00:54:42 this is just to put on and play it's like putting on a vinyl on the fucking record player and all you can do is drop the needle and let it play and like if you're fussy with like skipping a track it's like you're not really supposed to do that you're supposed to just let it play continuously that is
Starting point is 00:54:58 what we are kind of missing right now am I making sense no yeah it is it does make sense to me were you about to say something? I think because it exists and breathes. Whereas like pop music, it's literally a little hit. It's peaks and valleys.
Starting point is 00:55:12 It's drugs. It's drugs. And some of these girls are drug dealers and they're incredible. I think Sabrina Carpenter is an amazing drug dealer. That's a rule of culture. So we go to number 70. I think Sabrina Carpenter is an amazing drug dealer because she keeps you hooked i mean
Starting point is 00:55:28 please please and now did you hear the new song um what it's called slim pickens oh uh-huh like out it's it there's an acoustic version that she performed at the grammy museum with jack antonoff that's like out there we'll listen to it after this, but she's just like, she's, she's super smart and funny. And I think the album is going to be great. I love it. I think,
Starting point is 00:55:50 you know what it is like, we've been talking about how this year is like the year of pop girlies, pop girlies, pop girlies, that there's been so much that it's been all I'm consuming. And then suddenly my Spotify is like, you're one thing. You are one thing.
Starting point is 00:56:04 It's not anyone's fault that works there or whatever. It's just algorithmic. And I get it. But even on YouTube and stuff, which is how I've ended up getting a lot of my news, it's like, you forget you have other interests than the three things that they send you on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:56:21 If people are identifying with this, holla if you hear me. I think people have to be though, because that's like the way the internet works. And it's dehumanizing in a very literal way. It's like, oh, you think I'm an ATM and I buy three things.
Starting point is 00:56:39 That metaphor doesn't really make sense, but you don't think I'm an ATM and I buy three things. No, like you think I'm an ATM and yeah buy three things? You think I'm an ATM and yeah, whatever. You know what I mean? It's like I spit out money. Or you're an ATM and you think I come to you
Starting point is 00:56:53 for this only one thing. Sure, exactly. I'm sorry. No, you're an ATM. No, you're an ATM. Also, what you're talking about is really obsessing over the past and then having anxiety over the future. Literally, what's missing, not to sound, this is so fucking eye-rolly, but what's missing is a presence. And that you should be present and breathe. It's the only sort of
Starting point is 00:57:25 conscious and unconscious thing, process in the body. You know what I mean? If you think about it, it happens. If you don't... Well, it's like, I think I used to call it manifesting. I was like, oh no, I'm not fixated on what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:57:42 I'm just manifesting. You know what I mean? And that's always worked for me. You know what I mean but that's like and that's always worked for me you know what I mean it's just like lately I don't know I'm just I'm just changing
Starting point is 00:57:50 speaking of YouTube and I really hope this populates a lot of people's algorithms look up the school of life the school of life I've told you about this and I've told
Starting point is 00:58:00 I think I've mentioned this on the pod but they're this like really cute British company and they like sell books at Urban Outfitters and shit and it's like little journals and they're really good actually and I sound like a teenager
Starting point is 00:58:10 but they make videos too about how like an early bedtime is actually really nice I love it I love it but then that all leads to like at a certain point in life you realize that like a simpler life is the answer to everything. An early bedtime,
Starting point is 00:58:28 you just watch what you eat every now and then, not for like any like vanity project, but just as a way of just like taking care of yourself. I don't know. It's like a really lovely thing. And like when I went through that whole moment last summer, like I was reading their books, I was watching these videos and I was like,
Starting point is 00:58:45 Oh, this is a comfort. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all. I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. Friends like that. Who needs enemies?
Starting point is 00:58:59 You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the real housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh. Can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York city. Everyone is With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip.
Starting point is 00:59:08 No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.
Starting point is 00:59:29 He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. everywhere. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with.
Starting point is 00:59:52 His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.
Starting point is 01:01:10 It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Do you remember when we saw Varda Jean at the Errors Tour? Yes. At the Crown and Anchor. And at one point she leaves the stage and the piano player played Miley Cyrus.
Starting point is 01:01:40 I know I used to be crazy. I know I used to be fun. I know I used to be fun. You love I Used to Be Young. I was like on the fresh of tears. It's a beautiful song. It's such a good song. It's a great song. That Miley Cyrus.
Starting point is 01:01:54 That Miley. You know who loves that song? Adele. Adele. I think Patrick, I think House was telling me that Adele is only shouted at two people at her Vegas shows.
Starting point is 01:02:04 Miley, for I Used to Be Young, and Sabrina Carpenter for Sesso. Yep. Yep. Adele gets it. Adele gets it.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Adele has Spotify too and is feeding her the same shit too. You think? Oh, yeah. Oh. I will say, like,
Starting point is 01:02:19 this was not to knock any of my girls. I was just in a moment. I was within an hour where I was like, you know what chapel? I've been listening to you non-stop. But this moment is indicative of something. Yes, it is. It's just me wanting to like expand a little
Starting point is 01:02:34 bit more and feel like a little bit more comfortable and secure. That's all. And like I think being like sort of attacked on the internet by the things that you associate with a bad time is not great what do you mean uh like it's a lot of this music that's like emotional and like really puts me in my feelings about things i've been through and i'm like i don't want to hear that song again yeah
Starting point is 01:02:56 like i know i don't want to hear this song again i know know. Like, leave me alone, Coffee by Chaperone. Oh, beautiful song. So good. We'll listen to it right after this. But anyway, let's actually do I Don't Think So, Honey, and you go first because it's going to kick us into a conversation about a cultural topic. I was... Yes. I'm doing that for later. Oh, you're doing
Starting point is 01:03:19 that for later. Yes. Okay, got it. Does that make sense? Yes, it makes sense. Matt and I are going to go. We have some work to do and then we have to go to Watch What Happens Live. We're doing Watch What Happens Live. We're going to be on this Sunday. And they're having us do I Don't Think So. They're having us do I Don't Think So. Okay, so then I do, then I want to say one thing. Okay.
Starting point is 01:03:36 On this podcast, because I don't know how much of it we're going to have to be able to get out when we go on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah, yeah. All this hysteria about needing to reboot The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Guys, calm down. There is a very clear answer here to what needs to happen. Teresa Giudice is married to a man who is dark, toxic, weird, and potentially a little dangerous.
Starting point is 01:04:01 So as long as she is on the show, her storylines are going to be dark, toxic, weird, and a little dangerous so as long as she is on the show her storylines are going to be dark toxic weird and a little dangerous and jen is her lackey and completely spinning out and clearly miserable and acts like a seventh grader in the way that she treats people and the way that she talks to people and the way that she interacts with the world around her. Disgusting. They are the only thing, besides Jackie, who's like, well, I don't even know what happened. It's so disappointing. That is loser behavior.
Starting point is 01:04:32 But obviously never, not coming back. And it's crazy because I met Jackie personally a couple of times and I just don't understand anything she's doing. We met her and her husband at the GLAAD Awards. At the GLAAD Awards, yeah. And then I met her at BravoCon. I've always thought she was lovely and smart
Starting point is 01:04:46 and great. I just don't understand a single thing that she's done and I hope everything's okay. But my thing with the two of them is it's just like, they're the cancer here. They are the problem. Teresa and Jen. You have a great show there
Starting point is 01:05:01 with Rachel, Danielle, Dolores, Jen Fessler, Margaret, and Melissa. That's like a six people right there. And then cast a couple new women. The reboot of it all, it's like you don't need to do that. Especially when you have an already large group of women with working dynamics. Did you see Dolores when she was in the, well, you guys didn't see this yet, but we saw it. Anyway, it's so clear Dolores actually enjoys one group more than the other.
Starting point is 01:05:29 But for some reason, she has to pretend that she likes Teresa and Jen more than the rest of them. And it's to her detriment. Being Switzerland is overrated. I think it's something that's worked for her her entire life. But that's the thing too. It's like, you're not making a decision. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:43 You're not, there's no conviction there. I think that if she's exhausted by being in the middle, that's something she can fix for herself. But I also think Dolores Catania, and I think I like this about her, or I understand this about her. She has a difficult time letting go. And I think that she's getting better at it.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. In her personal life and stuff. But, you know, she was so close to Frank for such a long time. And you understand why she's not going to like toss someone like Teresa out. They've been like lifelong friends. But like right is right and wrong is wrong.
Starting point is 01:06:13 And there's a lot of right and wrong here. The last thing I'll say on the issue is if Dolores Catania is taken off my television screens, I'm out. I'm no longer a Bravo fan. And I do want to publicly, maybe I'll do this on the show on Watch What Happens. I do want to, there's been documented moments
Starting point is 01:06:33 of me questioning your love of Dolores. Yeah, there is. On video, no less. And I have to say, now that I've really like committed to New Jersey, I totally get it.
Starting point is 01:06:44 What a fabulous human being, I totally get it. What a fabulous human being. And now I totally get it. We just worked it out on the remix. We did just work it out on the remix. Should we do Out of Things 20?
Starting point is 01:06:52 Let's do it. This is, I don't think so honey, this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt, do you want to go first?
Starting point is 01:07:00 Sure. I'm also happy to. No, I have something good. Okay, this is Matt Rogers Out of Things 20. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Everyone hounding
Starting point is 01:07:08 me on my Instagram reel where I eat the steamer. It's a steamer clam. People don't seem to know what it is. It seems like people are fascinated by this type of food. I'll explain it to you so you don't have to say I don't think so, honey. I know what this is. A steamer clam is a soft shell clam that is served in like a garlicky
Starting point is 01:07:23 broth and they pop open and what you do is you take the tail off you dip it in some water to clean off the steamer because sometimes there's still some stuff from the sea sand and stuff you clean it off you dip it in butter and then you eat the sucker sometimes the steamer clam can be quite large and we were in provincetown and i don't think so, honey, that anyone was going to eat this big one, but me. So I said, remember how big that steamer was? It was a big steamer. Bone was the person that recorded this. And I put that in my mouth and I wanted it recorded so I could show people my culture. So I don't think so, honey, all you guys are coming from my culture. Do some research. They did serve that at the restaurant. They serve
Starting point is 01:08:03 it all around the Northeast and around the country. Go get yourself a steamer clam. I do think so, honey. They're delicious. And that's one minute. I love a steamer. I've known about steamers my whole life, but you are really doing a lot of, I guess, educational work in telling people what these things are. And I think that I obviously, it was an
Starting point is 01:08:19 if you go to my Instagram last reel that I posted, it's this one. But it was an uncommonly large one. It was a big one. It looked even bigger in person. It was huge. It was huge. You are really a true Pisces.
Starting point is 01:08:35 You are a child of the sea. I'm of the sea. I'm of the waters. I love that. That's one of my favorite textural things about you, is that you are, you grew up by the ocean. I'm monotical. And P-Town is like
Starting point is 01:08:49 so my culture. But I think my number one moment being there was eating that steamer, but also tied with us watching 30 Rock. Oh my God, we went back and watched 30 Rock. Us watching 30 Rock in the house. We went to A-House and then we were like, let's go back home and watch 30 Rock.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Because I've always been obsessed with this joke and I finally had to get the wording right for the quotes. But it's Elaine Stretch as Jack's mom, Colleen, and she meets Liz's family. I think this is a Ludicrous Christmas episode from season two. And they go out to eat together at a restaurant, 30 Rock in the Concourse,
Starting point is 01:09:28 like some like chili style place. And then she, she just goes, it's so hard to choose. The photos of the food look so good. I'm like, I love, it's like a perfectly calibrated joke.
Starting point is 01:09:41 It's like not too jokey, but it's like so in character for that, for that scene and for her. And, oh, I love it. I mean, we also watched the queen of Jordan,
Starting point is 01:09:53 which where was Sherry Shepard's Emmy? Where was Sherry Shepard's Emmy for the queen of Jordan? Tell me now, explain it to me. I don't understand. That was amazing. That episode of TV is incredible. I've wanted to be a singer ever since I was a little drunk last night.
Starting point is 01:10:11 I booked a recording studio. Drunk last night. Wait, what did, what was her name? Randy? Randy. She said something at one point that was completely insane. After my second husband shot me for the second time. After my second husband shot me for the second time.
Starting point is 01:10:24 I knew that love was easy. Watching Lynn and it was watching Lynn and Frank work out their differences. I offered to rent out my strip lotties studio that I got after I got money from the city after that cop shot
Starting point is 01:10:41 or something. Her character game is that she just keeps getting shot by people. It's so crazy. Also, Portia, I don't care what anyone says. I keep them 3D glasses. And then, don't do impressions of other races.
Starting point is 01:11:01 Sherry Shepherd, that line delivery from Sherry, don't do impressions of other races. It's so good. Obviously there's, you know, the famous, my single, my single is dropping,
Starting point is 01:11:11 is dropping. One of the cleanest, purest, simplest jokes. Portia reads the papers. Portia reads the papers. My single, my single is dropping,
Starting point is 01:11:18 is dropping, is the, for sale, two shoes, never worn. It's like, it's a full story. Wait,
Starting point is 01:11:24 wait, also there's the beginning of the scene where she's shopping and she goes, I need to look good for my party. And I refuse to wear anything in my size or appropriate for my age. What go? I happen to be a Christian illiterate.
Starting point is 01:11:42 We'll donate to the Obama campaign. We support Q Senate. We support Q Senate. We support Q Senate. I'm sorry, but I need to mention a rule of culture. My single, my single is dropping is the for sale. Baby shoes.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Never worn of jokes. Yeah. Really good. Okay. Let's do it. What rule of culture is that? Two. My single,
Starting point is 01:12:02 my single is dropping, is dropping, dropping, is the, for sale, baby shoes, never worn, of jokes. It's a full story.
Starting point is 01:12:10 It tells the story of you getting middle women. It really does. My single, my single is dropping, is dropping. Okay. Oh,
Starting point is 01:12:16 I just had one. Oh no. Damn it. I hate this feeling. What is this feeling so sudden and new? I felt the moment. I forgot why I don't think so, honey.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, you ready, Queen? Yeah. This is going to be Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I don't mean to kill these plants, and yet I do.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I'm trying to keep this snake plant alive. No, sorry, not the snake plant. This, um, I think it's an Indian dragon tree. I might be making that up. Hold on. See, maybe this is the problem to begin with. I don't even know the names of these things. And I am not going to, here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:12:59 I'm not going to name these plants because I, it's so hard to say goodbye. And then I'm going to feel even more guilty for killing them. It's a song of India. The song of India. The leaves keep yellowing. I water so diligently. I am on a schedule, on an app, on Planta. I am, I am making sure these plants stay alive. And for the most part they are, but this song of India is really hard. And I, it's a huge heavy pot and I, I'm pretty pretty I'm like 85% sure there's a hole in it for drainage but I need some help I need the plant doctor to come into my house
Starting point is 01:13:32 if you take house calls plant doctor come on over that's one minute I will say it looks pretty healthy to me there's some yellowing I don't know that has to be a pretty complicated guy to keep it's pared down it should it's a little bare bones and I want has to be a pretty complicated guy to keep. It's pared down. It's a little bare bones and I want it to be more lush.
Starting point is 01:13:50 And it's a little, anyway, it's seen better days. Yeah, I would say don't be too hard on yourself. You're doing the best that you can. How many times do you water it? It's like once every eight days. It doesn't need that much water and yet. And it's in a good spot. I mean, it's right in the window.
Starting point is 01:14:04 It's right in the window. It's fine. I'll figure it out. What about this one? These are flowers that much water and yet. And it's in a good spot. I mean, it's right in the window. It's right in the window. It's fine. I'll figure it out. What about this one? These are flowers that I get every week. That I get every week from Outline Tours. That's not a plant. That's flowers. That's flowers, girl.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Okay, girl. Learn the difference. Well, this has been an episode of Lost Cult that we will remember. I think it was releasing the valve a little bit. I had to release the valve a little bit. I've kind of been releasing the valve every day. And you have to. Yeah, isn't that weird? Like, sometimes you just really are more
Starting point is 01:14:32 emotional than other times. Like, I remember like a few months ago, I couldn't even think about creating tears. I'm like, every day. I'm jealous of y'all. Y'all motherfuckers who cry. I cry. I love to cry. I'm that Pis day. I'm jealous of y'all. Y'all motherfuckers who cry. I cry.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I love to cry. I'm that Pisces, Pisces cancer. That's who I am. I'm a Scorpio down. The only wetness comes out of the other end. Holy fuck. I drip, drip, drip on hardwood floors. 10, 10, 10s across the board. Anyway.
Starting point is 01:15:03 We and every single episode of the song I know I used to be crazy I know I used to be fun I know I used to be wild you don't know the song I know it bye That's because I You don't know the song. I know it.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Bye. Lost Culture Reads is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Bame and Monique Laborde. And our music is by Henry Kaburski. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.
Starting point is 01:15:58 And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:16:28 Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast,
Starting point is 01:17:02 we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

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