Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gránd Culture Catch-Up: How Is Your Baby?"

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Matt and Bowen's baby (Las Culturistas) is strong this week as the podcast storms into 2023 with a much needed culture catch up! Up for discussion and dissection: Avatar: The Way of Water, a visual, technical and water-ful marvel from James Cameron that begs the question, "what's with that whale's yellow juice?" M3GAN, the new doll on the block in both a literal and figurative sense, as well as Allison Williams culture and the current horror film mini-renaissance. The nepo-baby phenomenon and cultural conversation surrounding what it means to benefit from daddy-or-mommy-be-famous. The 15th season premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race on its new home, MTV, and the announcement that Las Cultch is now a Real Friends of WeHO (ReFroWeHo) recap podcast. Miley and Dolly's New Years Eve party and how icons were hugged and met there. Jen Shah SENTENCED: an analysis and Lisa Rinna OUT: a retrospective. All this, anticipation for Keke Palmer on the pod next week, a dragging of Rolling Stone for their Celine Dion disrespect, and an acknowledgment that London has a meat pie problem. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. How is your baby?

My baby is strong. I read that part in Avatar, The Way of Water, where Kate Winslet talks to the whale. There's a subtitled portion still in Papyrus. Amazing. The whale asks Kate, the words are, how is your baby? I was picturing an emphasis on the word how

in that way where, you know, a girl- How is your baby? How is your baby? Like that. My baby is strong. And then I think my baby is strong

is more straightforward. It's more like my baby is strong. It's getting really strong. And then they swim together in the circle. I really felt a sisterhood. Dynamic duo. Dynamic duo. You are Kate and I'm the whale.

You think so? No, I don't like that because, spoiler alert, they come get your yellow juice. I did not like that. Girl, my little brain juice. They came and got your brain juice. They drilled a hole that. Girl, my little brain juice. They came and got your brain juice. They drilled a hole on the roof of my mouth. Babe.

And got my brain juice. Can we talk about this? So the new unobtainium is that juice. The new girl on the block is, what are the whales called? The Tunkun. I'm not sure.

Which again, sounds like a name I made up. Well, the whales are called Tungkuns and Tulkun. Tulkun. T-U-L-Q-U-N. And then you gotta go get their whale juice because I think it's anti-aging. I think it's

easy breezy beautiful cover girl. Wow. It's retinol. It's retinol. Retinol is a yellow juice in a way. God, dare we ask a question about where retinol comes from are we going to be horrified and just dismayed by the answer it's fine it's a vitamin a derivative you don't have to get it from anywhere you can just make it in the lab it's totally fine there's nothing wrong with retinol there's everything wrong with the what with the

way that these humans miss thing got her arm cut off, spoiler alert. Yeah, I love that, though. I would say that was a highlight of the movie for me. And I will say, so wait, let's just get into it. We're talking about Avatar, The Way of Water, a film that really took box offices, you know, by absolute storm. It was not the only movie I've seen recently. I want to get into that with you. Oh my God, I'm so jealous. The way the tides have turned. But let's just first talk about Avatar, the way of water. Because this is, let's just say, the first episode of 2023.

Congrats, grad. Congrats, grad. We all made it to 2023. This is our, as promised, our grand culture catch-up. Our grand culture catch-up. The grand. Grand culture catch-up. And I think the episode title is Grand Culture Catch-Up. And I think the episode title is

Grand Culture Catch-Up. What is the thing? The two dots above each other. Colon. Colon. How is your baby? Yes. I love that.

There's much to discuss. We have so much. We have a huge announcement about the podcast theme this year as well. Yes. Lots to get into. But first, you know this movie took the box office by stormbow and it was avatar 2 the way of water wow and your review was negative my review was negative and i made the mistake of writing a negative review on letterboxd oh no and i didn't

realize there are some real Cameron heads. Oh, yeah. A lot of environmentalists out there. That's what the James Cameron fan community calls themselves, environmentalists. But James Cameron is, in a way, the Taylor Swift of Lutterbox. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You best not. And by the way, once Miss Taylor comes out with her own feature film, as has been announced

in the trades. Yes. Everybody get off Lutterbox. There, as has been announced to the trades. Yes. Everybody get off Letterboxd. There's no point in staying on the app. It will be overrun. Yeah. And there's no point in leaving an honest review about any work made by anyone

because the doors will have been opened. James Cameron is the Taylor Swift and the Nicki Minaj. And like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like he is inviting a troublesome discourse into that space. All I said was, you know, the movie was giving me a command and conquer cut scene, which is this like old video game from where there was like variable frame

rate. It was like, Oh, the actors are in a different frame rate than the background, which is literally what this movie is innovating on. Right all these all these movie techie motion capture moment well they're losing their minds over variable frame rate which personally made me a little nauseous which i i'm sure i did not see it the right kind of theater with not the right kind of dolby setup it was not a good experience for me got it visually and Visually, and also, I'm going to guess, storytelling-wise, you were not necessarily transported.

But you know what? This movie has to make $2 billion to break even. Which it's going to do. They've announced. Which it's going to do. Great. But for that reason, the story has to be the broadest appealing thing ever made. Yes.

And so I forgive it. I forgive it on a storytelling level. I'm just noting it on a visual technical level. It's stunning. A gorgeous movie. Yeah. I was transported, but I was also a little nauseated. And I wish it was more like Flight of Passage.

What was it? Flight of Passage. Flight of Passage. You wish you could ride on the back of something while you watch it, was what you were saying. That's what I was thinking. When Miss Marines was riding the Banshee, I was like, get me back on that thing. I want to go back. I want to feel its breathing.

It's the chest rising and falling on me below my thighs. I'm going next week to Disney World. Oh my god, I'm so jealous. You can't do this to me. i mean i so basically it's me and my sister's last trip together before she becomes chelsea frazier she's right now chelsea rogers but this is our last time we can like spend brother sister time together chelsea

frazier i know isn't that wild chelsea frazier is gonna be my sister's name oh actually i haven't really gotten into it with her about whether she's changing it, changing it, but in all intents and purposes. Either way, iconic. Either way, iconic. Yeah. So we are going, and I will be doing the Flight of Passage. And so because I've seen Avatar 2, The Way of Water,

so close together with Flight of Passage, I'll be more able to accurately compare them. But for me, I would say my review of avatar the way of water was i found um i found it to be not really nauseating for me but i did see it in imax 3d as as was really strongly advertised i would mostly just say these are too long these are too long i actually took an intermission for myself and i did take like actually a 10 to 12 minute break in the middle. And then I found out that I had missed some crucial. What did you miss?

Stuff go on in the middle with a flashback to Sigourney. I guess young Kiri, who's also played by Sigourney. This was a part of the movie I did not understand. I didn't really understand why we needed Sigourney Weaver to play a teen. Because for me personally, when i was watching miss kiri you know who was a teen navi or hybrid navi rather or whatever the fuck it was interesting to me and sort of took me out of it a little bit that she had a yale educated actress's voice but that to me was something i could get over but i did find out that I took a break in the middle

and Sigourney sort of came back like as herself and I guess there was like a dream sequence um with Sigourney literally sister life we I think I missed this as well yeah or we could both have been there and fully watching the movie and just not remember it because it is one of those things Bowen where it's actually it's-dropping. I could not tell you what this movie was about. No, me neither. I understand the humans came back. Mama, who was in the first movie, who was evil. Colonel Fritz or whatever.

Girl, I don't know his name. But evil man came back as a Na'vi, which was never good. We learned sacrifice as a family. We had a soft lunch of my of my new boyfriend whose code name is lenny on the podcast lenny um loved it was enthralled lenny loved lenny loved we got him a little stoned we saw it up in san francisco that's endearing so many people around us were enjoying it lenny included and i would say i had a fine time um but i do believe these movies are too long.

And for it to take up that much space of life and for me to not really be able to say what the movie was about about is jarring to me, but not unlike the first one. And is that by design? Is it supposed to be an amnesiac sort of viewing experience?

There is something kind of amazing about that where if james cameron expects us to go into these movies having remembered nothing from the prior installments i think that's actually incredible i love that yeah that might be the case did you re-educate yourself by seeing the first film again yes they re-released it in theaters and actually sudi and i went we went to see the first avatar when it was re-released it in theaters and actually sudi and i went we went to see the first avatar when it was re-released because we were like okay we'll definitely see the second one like let's see what the hell is going on here and then what's funny is we're going to see the movie and i guess lenny hadn't even seen the first one so he turns to me and goes could you tell me what

happened in the first movie oh my god i was like i literally was like of course so and then i started talking and i was like oh wait i was like okay so they go to a planet and there's this thing there there's this thing there but you know what i am obsessed with awa as a concept awa i love that they're connected to their land and their people that was beautiful what is awa see this is what is awa see this is this is how you know the film was a failure you cannot be leaving avatar 2 and saying what is awa this is like that's like leaving earth and being like what was god again actually this is my note for avatar in the world building of this you need to do like tolkien style like the made-up words you remember yeah you know when i say dothraki yeah i know i know those girls

or or when i say uruk-hai when i say you know nazgul you know who those girls are yes not to give miss joanna too much credit but even when i say mud blood or even when i say you know i'm really jarred by the use of a slur the first slur of 2023 when you said mud blood i heard that you said that with a hard d and i was like oh i know but these are words that hew just closely enough to like let's just say english or a romance language that you go okay i i can linguistically link that to like this abstract made-up concept in this other world there is no foothold for me sonically on for any of these terms that james cameron has made up except for unobtainium isn't that terrible and navi navi that's it navi unobtainium those are the only words i know and james cameron has to maybe

try just having those two words the challenge for the next movie should be no new terms no new terms i would not hold your breath so no pun intended i know i'm not of course i'm not expecting that but i'm saying it would be so much more helpful to me as a viewer and that's what's important well you know this movie had many subtitles because much of the dialogue happened underwater did you feel that when you were watching the film you could pinpoint the time where it was required for kate winslet to have held her breath underwater for seven minutes and 15 seconds? Or maybe did she never actually need

to learn how to do that? Literally, I think she did have to. I think all of the actors had to learn how to do that is what we're hearing, right? There was not a continuous take that was seven minutes long in which Kate was underwater, but literally she was underwater

having dialogue, literally acting during How Is Your Baby. You know what? You're actually right. It actually was important that she learned how to hold her breath underwater

for seven minutes and 15 seconds because it was the most important scene in the film where she asked the whale how, or the whale asked her how her baby was and she was able to respond, my baby is strong.

Or was it the whale that said my baby is strong? No, you the whale that said, my baby is strong? No, you know what? That's what it was. So Kate Winslet. The whale asks. No, mama. Mama, roll the tape.

By the way, whose name is Ronal. Roll the tape. Ronal McDonal. Ronal McDonal. The house down. Kate says to the whale, how is your baby because remember the whale has had a new baby and the whale said my baby is strong which makes it even more heartbreaking when spoiler alert oh my god the whale and her baby are slaughtered by the humans i know the humans suck

oh my god but don't you also feel real real christy don't you feel like maybe we we've had it with the humans like we get that the humans are bad like someone's someone i think it was actually contra points said like so just thinking about the movie again who was evil was it the men with guns who came in and snarling and said they were gonna like rape the earth and like we're unapologetic were they the antagonist just for me it is a little and it is speaking to what you're saying about it needs to be so fucking broad and like painting big broad brush strokes like for who's evil who's good etc which i actually am okay with in a movie especially in a movie that's for everyone like ostensibly this is for kids right um and therefore everyone but it was i was wondering

if it would have been more interesting if there was intra-planet conflict and instead of like the humans are back like i really don't need to see this evil guy who turned into a navi be the villain for like all five of these movies like i don't care at all like i'd rather i'd rather move on to like you know maybe it's like something that happens on the planet itself and there's like navi warring between the tribes or whatever like i don't i don't know if i need humans returning every movie who knows i mean maybe miss miss marine miss, is going to come back and really rally the Pandora natives. And then the lines are so blurred.

Where does he end as a human? Where does he begin as a Na'vi? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%. Do you think that the third movie will take place in the sky? Or do you think we'll go to a different part of the world? Do you think it will be Avatar 3, Song of the Skies? Song of the Sands.

Song of the Sands you think it will be avatar 3 song of the skies song of the sands song of the sands oh avatar um days of the desert days oh my god you know they announced what the what the next one is called the seed bearer which is just like fags one everyone's gonna be like i want to bear your seed no no you know what okay can we move on because i assume i assume you were alluding earlier to maybe having seen megan this is how you know that energetically and cosmically things are shifting in the world not only did i see megan this weekend i also finally caught nope oh great i've had two quote-unquote horror movies in the past couple days. Now, let me just say, I watched Nope. Lenny and I watched Nope. And you had seen Nope months ago.

I had seen Nope when it came out by myself in Charlotte. Yes. The reason we saw Nope is because next week on the podcast, announce it, bro. Our first guest in 2023 on Las Culturistas is the legendary Kiki Palmer. We're so excited. Kiki Palmer! It's coming! It's going to be so fun.

I guarantee a good time. She's going to be, she's just a perfect person. I would die for that woman. I really would. I've said it before. I'll say it again. We were in Miami and we were watching just clips of her on Legendary. And she was so good on it. And I feel like all the things she does get lost. But this is somewhat, and I can't wait to talk to

her about this, because this is actually something I'm really interested in. She is, I guess, a figure in our culture that it's not even that she's saying yes to everything. It's that she is not afraid to show all parts of herself as a performer. You will see her be hosting, acting, performing, producing. I'm sure like doing all these things, judging,

you know, like she is just so confident in herself as an, as an entertainer. And I can tell that for her, it's about entertainment first and she wants to do what she's going to enjoy and she does enjoy all these things so she's not thinking too much about like you know like no I really want to be

taken seriously as this so I won't do this like she's not negotiating that she's doing what she knows she can be good at and have fun with and I really like that about her is that not so inspiring because what i'm

catching myself doing right now especially is being like uh i should like pull back a little bit or you know make myself a little less seen or whatever and but then you look at her and you're like she's never been hampered by that and she's still oh my god just, I'm obsessed with her. And assignment viewing for all readers, publicists, and you, my sister, music video for her amazing song, Hands Free. She is doing choreo down. She is giving body. She is serving. She's looking at the camera and piercing through the lens to you.

You will love it. Look, I've known she was a star since akilah and the b years ago since true jackson vp true jackson vp and never forget her in greece live oh my god she sang freddie my love she looked dead into the camera and gave that number and i was like i'm sorry but that girl is here to stay also never forget never forget Hustlers. She's done so many things and we're so excited to talk to her. And I'll reserve my thoughts on Nope, which I loved, by the way.

Yes, yes. Until we talked to her. But anyway, the other it girl of the moment is Megan. Yes. And I, y'all know, I do not do horror movies. But I said, I can't miss- It's a moment. A cultural phenomenon in our midst

yeah and so i saw megan wow tell me what you think without spoiling because my tragedy is that i'm in london currently and it doesn't come out here until the 14th okay well take the to the funnery yeah on the 14th and the funnery being any theater showing me because Megan is you know it's not just like Megan is not only about to take over Megan is a franchise wow you're gonna see Megan to Megan's you're gonna see Megan versus Isabel or Annabelle or whatever you're you're gonna see Megan going forward and I will also say as a result of watching megan i began a rewatch of girls last night oh here's what i have to say i left the movie and i turned to i think lewis and i was like is she good i think she's incredible and then i rewatched the first because we loved her in get

out but there's this narrative about her like she's just kind of like i did you read the vulture piece that rachel handler wrote about her i didn't read it just kind of like, did you read the Vulture piece that Rachel Handler wrote about her? I didn't read it, but Gawker did this, like, roundup of all the profiles that have been coming out about her lately, and it's like, yeah, okay, we get it, she's self-aware. But she actually has navigated the whole Nepo baby thing, maybe the best out of anybody in recent memory, where she's like, yeah, like, I definitely got girls because of my connections, but that's the reality, but I'm still gonna work Yeah. Like great. That's literally all we need to hear. Yeah. I would agree with you entirely. The Nepo baby thing. It's when someone calls you a Nepo baby and you're out there and

it's just is true. I guess that's like, don't be defensive about it. It's just, you are, I mean, we know several Nepo babies and you know what ties them all together? I would say they're all really fucking talented. And it's not like they didn't have a leg up. But what I appreciated about her response to it was like, yes, I benefit from nepotism. You know what I mean? Just don't be uncool about it. Don't be defensive about it. Hailey Bieber wore like a t-shirt that said Nepo baby on it the other day.

And that I feel like is, you know, she's not being a defense. She's not one of the ones I'm talking about. Right but she's no no I'm bringing her up as a sort of weird counter lateral example where it's like she's not being defensive about it but she's also being smug about it in a way that I'm like that's not it. That ain't it. The thing about Allison is like I rewatched

the pilot of Girls. She's so good in it. Her chemistry with Lena is really good and then just like i was reading this piece that rachel did an amazing job on um and she was talking about how you know i think because allison is like quote-unquote presenting as like a basic white girl you know what i mean and she plays that role of marnie who is the big boss basic dumb white girl uh the millennial culture like really was captured in that moment like she was that girl and we all know that girl yeah but she this weird thing

attached to her like she was that person and she was saying in the interview like can you imagine playing that person for that long and not being in on the joke like what that's fascinating if people think that's who i am and i would disagree that i genuinely think you can be very close to the person that you play for that long absolutely maybe that's not the case with her but in this movie and i like the way that she's attaching herself to these horror projects because to me it shows she has a sense of humor like the way this movie starts is immediately telling the audience like hey this is a big fucking camp joke you know and which which i love and we need more of that well matt would you agree that horror is sort of the last genre space where you can have like interesting non-pre-existing ip story like it's it really is

i think like unfortunately the last sort of like zoned out area in in hollywood where like it can be a new story is all right think of the past year like between smile and barbarian and like x it's like these are nope like these are all these are all great films period yeah and i would even say like you know i did not see it but obviously people with malignant people feel a franchise was born there um you know and i would say it is really interesting because there is not only just in you know what audiences get from it in terms of going to the theater and having like a knee-jerk response like uh like an actual like out loud emotional response like i guess you could call you could say screaming or gasping or being scared is the same as laughing, having that involuntary response that you get.

Because we've seen comedies have a very hard time doing that theatrically. But I think that because you can sort of get that same physical conditioned response from a horror movie as you can get from a comedy you see those movies be really successful and also the crossover with comedy a lot you know what i'm saying like megan is a comedy film like i mean this is yes there are jump scares and yes there are like there are kills in the movie but megan is a comedic she is a comedic icon and like just people negotiating her and talking to her and around her like i was impressed the entire time there are there is a scene where she sings titanium by sia to the little girl which is a moment in comedy history i mean it is so beyond we were screaming in the theater not just from being scared but from also being very tickled and i would say

you know 2023 comedically is off to a great start if megan is the first comedy release of the year not just from being scared, but from also being very tickled. And I would say, you know, 2023 comedically is off to a great start. If Megan is the first comedy release of the year, which it is. And so in that way, I can appreciate it. I'm so excited. It was way funnier than people gave it credit.

Oh, no, it was so funny, clever ways. Oh my God. Did you, I heard a story that Kiki gave, this is not a spoiler,

but Kiki gave a different version of that opening monologue. The voiceover against the horse. What a star. A different version of every single take. And I'm like, this motherfucker is so... She has it. She has the factor. She is oozing it.

Like, it is, I mean, I turned to Lenny last night. When we were watching it, I turned to him, and he was just like, she's a fucking superstar. I was like, down. Down. It's so, it's once in a generation. You know what I mean? All I've wanted is, like, a leading lady

who also has, like, a really perfect side of her that is, like, Jack K jackie harry like there is like very jackie that is like the beautiful thing that kiki has you know what it is too it's like the fun is being followed the fun is being followed oh my god she she's hands down my favorite host in my time there she is oh god we we had so much fun she loves to laugh we love that and then you get that sense you know what i mean and also you know like joel had such a great time working with yes singled out on quibi but anyway so much talked to her about but i had to i had to just um say that yeah i agree with you it feels like the horror space, there is something about that shared experience of the theater

that is not replicable at home, whereas with comedies, like, you kind of can replicate that experience at home. You know what I mean? Yes, and with horror, it's like people can already anticipate the turns if it's an existing IP. Does that make sense? Right. right like it benefits from being surprising

and so therefore it's like it makes more sense to like have these stories be things that people haven't seen before or don't know about yes and also i think the thing specifically with megan is she is a direct response to like what it seems like the zeitgeist craves right now which is she is a meme you know what i mean she is a walking meme it is like it is it is so stupid when you see her every single time you you literally could laugh every single time she appears on screen and the way they style her and sometimes the way that like she just like shifts her eyes in a certain way like it is a fully realized it's a really well done movie and kudos to everyone that was involved i mean because it wasn't too long it was really fun it was scary it was a fucking laugh out loud funny

if i have one note for it and i won't get too into it because you haven't seen it yet but they sort of set up a final set piece that we don't see oh okay and i'll ruin it but like spoiler alert not really though like this isn't about any character's fate um i would say there's supposed to be like a big expo at the end where a lot of people come see a demonstration of megan and we don't see that and i was i just really wish we had seen that because like her wreaking havoc on a ton of people would have been really fun. But instead, we get a very classic final showdown between the girls, which we love.

And Allison definitely carried. I mean, look, I loved her in Get Out. Didn't see that movie, The Perfection, but I heard it was good. If she's carving herself out in this horror niche, I say you go, girl. Yeah, love it, love say you go girl. Yeah. Love it.

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I did. I did. You know, I enjoyed it. It is overwhelming the amount, just on a volume level, the amount of girls. But it is because I guess Viacom is ordering a really, really exorbitant amount of episodes. So therefore you have 16 queens. I think, yeah, I can't tell. I was thinking about whether or not it is intentional on the show's part to immediately

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And I would, I would give that they are better than I would imagine that they would be based on never performing, which is the narrative. We're also being told, which maybe, maybe not. Yeah. Their runways looked great. I mean, for, for Queens that barely had their wigs on before the runway started, they certainly looked not. Yeah. Their runways looked great. I mean, for queens that barely had their wigs on before the runway started,

they certainly looked good. Oh, sure. But I just don't know how much of, I don't know how much of it I trust as fact because I know it's a produced reality show, but like, sure. Like, I mean, the show definitely succeeded in, you know, telegraphing to the audience,

capital T, capital A, that they deserve to be there. Yes. And we'll see how far it goes. We'll see how far it goes. Interesting way to split the premiere. I kind of liked that you sort of had the second half come in halfway through. I liked it too. I thought that was good. I was really surprised. Surprised. Raw deal that the second group of queens did not get to meet ariana in the workroom but oh well that's true and i wonder was that ariana's idea did you did you ask her i did not ask her no it wasn't i did not ask so it might have been it might not have been maybe they just

had they were like vivacious around like ariana do you want to do this the silly thing but ariana is excited sasha colby for me is the number one. I mean, Sasha Colby is, she came out and I was like, well, that's the winner right there. If I have anything to say about it. I mean, that's just like the type of queen I want to see on the show. But also Anitra. I mean, I was really surprised. I think that was a well-deserved win.

Loved that. Loved the kicking, the karate kicking of those things. I loved it. Walked that fucking duck. I mean, to me, it was funny. duck i i mean that was to me it was funny it was surprising i was screaming it was stunts i loved it and she looked good it was giving like detox if she could flip upside down detox if she could flip upside down if she could fully roundhouse kick a piece of wood yeah it was. I was like, it was so completely insane. Oh my God. And you

know what? I thought it was a great look. I watched that lip sync twice because I think Amethyst has something. You know what? Yes. When that started, I thought, oh, Irene Dubois is going to like wipe the floor with Amethyst because I feel like we had seen what we needed to see with Amethyst. But then I'm watching it and I was like, you know what? Amethyst wants it more. And I'm sorry, like maybe she got nervous or something or it was just a flop but for irene dubois to come out with that talent of i'm gonna pour a glass of water it just felt like rue from what i can gauge might feel a little insulted by that like oh really you thought that this flop joke you were gonna make about not trying like the anti-comedy of it

all like you were going to come in here with that and i was going to be impressed with it and the audience is going to be impressed with it i think even if irene had turned the lip sync harder like rue watched that talent and was like done with it like don't waste my time that feels like the number one thing with rue it's like i understand like not everyone shares a sense of humor and a sensibility but you can come in here with that fucking bit which is anti-comedy anti-comedy is not going to work on drag race no because there were multiple references to willow's talent last season and i think some of these girls are confusing something silly to be avant-garde. Yeah.

Like, they think, like, Willow doing, like, the spaghetti into the toaster into the bathtub is, like, the same thing as, like, Sasha doing the rose petals. They think that's the bar, but it's like, no, like, that's Willow's bar. That's not your bar. And I think maybe Irene was trying to, like, do her version of that.

Maybe that's my guess you get the sense that like the way she puts her looks together she certainly cares you know what i mean like she's a really put together like and she came into the workroom first i mean i think that they they certainly were assuming more right from that queen right but for that to be what she did it's like i i kept waiting for for something else to happen. Like, oh, she'll do this water bit, and then it will transition into a number. Yeah, me too. Because it can't just be this.

And when it was just this, it was just like, oh, comedically, you just don't have taste. Well, sure. I think it's interesting. I was telling Joel, it's funny to me that the themes this season are TikTok and Connecticut. Like, this is very... Really weird. Very weird, but very interesting. We'll see.

I'm excited. The amount of Connecticut queens who are like, what exactly is going on? Like, not dragging. I'm just saying, like, all the Connecticut queens were like, fine. You know what I mean? Oh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Like, I wouldn't watch a single one of them and I was like, oh, yeah, well, there's something happening in Connecticut.

All the queens, I was just like, oh, it well there's something happening in Connecticut. All the Queens. I was just like, oh, it feels like this is like the season 15 casting. You know what I mean? Like we're, we're officially like, you know,

yeah. Looking for them. No matter how this season turns out, like no matter what our assessment of the season is, once it's done, I think this will have a very similar legacy to season seven, where seven was the first season that acknowledged instagram queens i think this is the first season that's actually like fully

embracing the idea that like no like drag queens are on tiktok now like yeah and i do appreciate there being one little mirror moment in the workroom um where the girls were like yeah i mean like we can't get into clubs so like the way we learned drag was through social media. That makes total sense. Totally makes sense. It does. And also I think that the old narrative of a queen maybe having to look over their shoulder

and be like, I don't respect her about a younger queen who starts online. In an era of the pandemic, when literally those spaces were not there for young queens to develop, they had social media and they had the show to influence them. You can't really be mad about someone never having performed when they were 18 or 17 when the pandemic started. Yeah, yeah. started yeah yeah maybe only found themselves in their their identity around that time or just before that time or even after that time and then discover that they have a talent with makeup or

performance online and then they this is the way they find themselves on the show i mean like you can't really be superior in that sense anymore that being said am i always going to gravitate more towards a queen that is clearly cultivated a live talent and a persona that's like historically like a drag queen someone that you could you could watch in the club like you know carry a whole night yes that is going to be more what I want to see but you can't look down your nose at no no exactly. And I think this is good. We should all embrace that change. Gosh, Jax was amazing. The jumping rope with her hair is incredible.

I loved that. That was incredible. Jax, to me, is an example of incredible talent. The aesthetic is bad. The aesthetic is capital B bad. Sure. It was a weak runway. I don't know what was happening.

It was a weak runway overall. You felt overall? Overall because the theme was so open-ended that it's like you can literally do anything you want. Like show us the essence of you. And nothing really sticks out. I mean, ironically, Irene's

look was pretty memorable. It was. And the twins, I liked the twins. The twins looked good i mean they definitely looked good michelle dragging them for the long island of it all was so funny to me when she was like yeah i go to the roosevelt field mall i mean like she literally was like she googled her long island specifics and was dead on with every single one of them we were screaming are they from long island she really are the twins from oh that's funny and then i think they moved to la yeah uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh just like me just like you when they said they were originally from long island i lowered my head in prayer i

was like oh god the long island jokes we're gonna hear then i found out though they went to west babylon high school oh my god which is where I would have gone right next to you. Like, had my parents not moved. Literally. Like, I was in the West Babylon school district. Yeah,

that's like an interesting little connection. You think they were like, oh my God, Matt Rodgers from Ice Flip went to NYU and now he's on Showtime.

Now he's on Showtime. What I would say is that their parents definitely live like right near my parents, because my parents live in West Babylon currently. So I was like, oh, are they from West Babylon? And then it all kind of made sense. And then, to be honest with you, I was like,

well, that's kind of nice that people can be that gay now. Totally. You know what I mean? Those twinks are gay. But those twinks grew up in a working class part of Long Island. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, no. For sure.

And that's the thing. That's one cool thing about having queens from different parts of the country that are not just like, yeah, I've been in LA for years, or I've been da-da-da. Like, you know, I think Miss Malaysia Baby Doll Fox is from Houston. There was the first queen that's ever from Miami. Oh yeah, yeah. And I will say, we were in Miami

for New Year's and those queens at Drag Brunch were crushing. Those were some stellar queens. Yeah, some pretty great queens. Yeah, and so when they were like, I'm the first Miami queen and the one queen was like, oh Miami has some of the best drag. It's crazy that there's not been a drag queen from miami i was thinking to myself like

yeah that is kind of funny it is kind of funny i i totally agree with you about that sort of um geographical variance where like willow winning was kind of a huge deal i mean willow and ivy both being from denver not since like nina flowers it was like a pretty like big gap there for a while for Denver drag and I feel like it's like a fun fun fun scene for sure I took you I took Matt to Charlie's by the way we had so much fun at Charlie's it was great it was a fun time

you really stole the show I didn't know such thing Bowen came out at my Denver show and stole the show that was Matt's show through and through oh my god I took so many pictures from backstage. I was so, I'll say it again. I mean, just so inspiring. So beautiful, Matt.

I'm so proud of you. Truly. Oh, well. Quickly wanted to talk about the Miley Dolly New Year special, which we were at. Yes, duh. I can't wait to talk about it. That was so much fun and so many happenings and spotting.

A lot of things, a lot of things happen. So let's, I haven't even really sorted through my experience, my memories with it. So we get there. Let's do it. We get there and we check in.

And then on the paper I see in big letters, Paris Hilton. I go, Oh, Paris is here. I wonder what she could be doing. And then I had heard that she'd re-released Stars Are Blind. I was like, oh, is she maybe going to sing Stars Are Blind? Yes.

That would be fun. And I was like, I did not connect the dots to be like, oh, she's going to do it with either Miley or Dolly. And we get there literally right on time. We get there and like we do a quick little step and repeat moment. They do a quick little bumper with repeat moment they do a quick little bumper

with the whole group it was me you Patrick Pat Regan Jordan Ardino who else Nico was there and then we basically get to this area order some drinks and then the show starts and then literally I tap you on the

shoulder I go Escala's behind us. Literally, Ascala was there. I turn around and lo and behold, it was Ascala. And we find out that Ascala's husband, Dre, is Lado's

manager or like tour manager or something. Like works on Lado's team. And Lado had just performed which was also amazing she was awesome and escala is going off and we go over to her immediately and we are just like escala we are your big fans etc she was so nice we took a picture of her so nice we're like you always turn the fashion and she goes well how did i do tonight and then when she looks down and gives a twirl we were like she looked absolutely stunning gorgeous we took a little video sent it to candace dillard bassett shout out to my girl um who continues to be the star of potomac i mean absolutely such a circus

sesame street is one of the the highlights of the year sesame street i do not recognize sesame street characters you need to go learn your numbers go learn your letters go read a book to a child she started with count some letters count some numbers go read a book to a child go read a book to a child I do not recognize

Sesame Street characters and then we have to shout out at drunk drawn incredible illustrations of Housewives moments. Did an incredible, incredible long form caption about Debra. It truly, I mean, wait,

I have to read it. This is, I sent it to you and we both laughed our asses off. I have to read, Matt, do you mind? I think it does it. Finding this, Escala, we love you. You were a joy it was meeting you was the highlight and then we also literally took a picture with marissa tome incredible for that to be the last photo of that year just like as if there needed to be one more like closing the

loop moment for marissa tome to be at that party so randomly and let's get a photo with her and get to connect with her over the fire island of it all. That was surreal. That was when we knew the year could end. Yeah. Period. It had to because it really was a little too on the nose. With an hour left to go in the night, we meet Marissa Tomei and got a picture with her. Incredible.

She was so sweet. Okay. Can I read this caption? Yes. This is from atdrunkdrawn on Debra. This is now a Deah the dick magnet stan account oh child i'm buzzing d is for deborah who knew 2023 would start off with such a bang when i turned on the telly last night and saw a figure as tall as big bird as fluffy as mr sniffle up i guess as silly as elmo and had the eyebrows of oscar the grouch it was love i'm in love y'all i levitated like that ginger and stranger things i'm running up that hill to you deborah you see

dear reader wow growing up sesame street was my jam those are my creatures you see you see those are my creatures rule of culture number 90 those are my creatures okay oh this is amazing those are my creatures next sentence I'm an Ernie moving on something arose in me when I saw Debra am I furry

so Debra baby girl I see you I believe you I feel you I love you I believe you and to the Debra haters you're just jealous that your hair doesn't look like beyonce's hair with the fan have eyebrows like peter gallagher and the charisma of the fruit loops bird period dot step off in the beginning of the season when deborah walked into karen's spring fling kickoff celebration of life taco party event her sexuality

filled the space she couldn't help it people men can't control themselves around the d they transform into 90s teenage boys meeting pamela anderson it's like that y'all it's primal men get instant boners when they see deborah aka nature's viagra okay and there's there's just so much it's poetry so funny wow candace shout out to candace shout out to candace who gave us that and i would say that was the highlight of the season and thank god because housewives as a whole has been a little fucking dreary babe like salt lake i i actually stopped watching um I can't stand the show and Miami

thank God for it thank God for Miami and I am so late to it but I am catching up I am making up for lost time Miami's good Miami is in the top spot right now incredible I mean I did see some you know some Bravo account

a Bravo fan account do a meme of like what is bravo worthy is miami what's peacock worthy is salt lake and it's not 100 not no like you know um no yeah yeah yeah not no but yeah there's also big news i mean like den shaw so should we into it? Six and a half years in the can, five years supervised release, and someone said that we actually called this. Someone said we said this is the amount of time she would get, which, roll the tape,

but I didn't know that we called that. That's shocking. I remember, like, I went online after that was announced, and people were upset that she didn't get more time, but, like, six and a half years and five years supervised release like that's pretty much around what they were saying. It's not surprising at all. Six and a half years you know, federal judges

sort of across the bench are relatively more lenient on white collar crime. That's one thing. Secondly, she's agreeing to pay full restitution. That's another thing. And then the other thing is for these kinds of crimes, apparently commonly you only serve 85% of that.

So doing the math, 78 months, 85% of that is 66, 66. So that's, that is, that is literally five and a half. That takes a year off.

So, you know, I mean, she's missing a lot of moments. She's missing a lot of stuff at home. It's wild. I mean, like, I don't know what there is to say really like at the end of the day there is a family that's being broken but there are also thousands of lives that are also broken in the wake of it like it's just it's just sad it's really rough and i think that they were taking

into account during the sentencing that she she claims to have like mental health concerns that contributed to her state of mind when she committed the crimes, which feels like a lawyer's, you know, excuse that they gave her, but also, you know, she does have the young children.

So if she wasn't sentenced to like fucking 12 years hard time, that might be why I don't really know how any of it works, but yeah, she's officially going to a prison for a long time. There is also a thing to be said about if you agree to counseling for a mental health issue while you're in prison,

that also helps lower the amount of time you serve. Yeah. So, that could be part of it, too, where she, you know, probably her team was like, let's just say you were going through something, which, you know, I'm sure she was, but the judge literally was no-nonsense. It's like, let's just say you were going through something, which, you know, I'm sure she was, but the judge literally was, no nonsense, was like, well, this happened before you were on the show,

so you can't blame the show for like amplifying these issues. And it's hard for us to like confirm whether or not you were going through something at the time. He like pulled up the text, he like referenced the text messages where she was like gleefully being like,

LOL. Yeah. Get her to stop crying, talking about an elderly woman calling concerned. Yeah, it's evil. I mean, her behavior was evil. And the thing is, with a mental health excuse, for example, a plea of insanity or whatever, not that that's what this was,

but it's like anyone that does anything morally corrupt corrupt or wrong, like anyone could use that excuse. You know what I mean? Like if there's if you kill someone like there's something wrong with you. And like, I guess it just depends like whether or not like your lawyer wants to decide you play insanity or not. Right. Like you're. But it seems to me like, how exactly do you decide who gets away with that? Or like, who's the expert that comes in and decides someone actually is disturbed enough and therefore it like changes their reasoning or motivation to do something evil like this?

Like, it feels cop-out-ish to me. Sure. But, you know, like I said, I have no idea how any of this works. But for her to be like oh my mental health it's like well yeah we've all seen the show we know that yeah and i have also heard from people that have worked around her that she is unwell like she is the kind of person that's like if you do this i'm gonna kill myself like if you do this i I'm going to kill myself. Like if you do this, I'm going to do like, she is someone who is constantly weaponizing like her own sanity or lack thereof to like harm others and like get in other people's way and,

and get in other people's heads about like how they're responsible for her, which is like, you know, she clearly needs a lot of help. And so maybe there was some assessment of that that went into the sentencing i don't know like i said i don't know how it works but like it was really interesting that she made a point of saying all that when she spoke to the judge and she also deliberately went out of her way to address her youngest child and not all of her children which to me was trying to signal to the judge like please be lenient in my sense of sentencing so i can still experience life with my youngest child you know what i mean

like it seemed to me like tactical like of course yes i'm not gonna say no part of it was emotional or honest or true but there was a lot of tactical shit going on there till the very end to try to like get the sentencing down, which, of course, that's the lawyer's job. And I guess her job in that moment as the defendant. But yeah, it was just very, very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And Lisa Rinna's out. Lisa Rinna's out.

I think it's unfortunate. I really think they've lost a compelling. I mean, I wasn't the biggest Rinna fan but like that is someone who kind of held it together was kind of a glue for a long time I mean Rinna was one of the best of all time when she was good she was one of the best of all time she gave us so many television moments

and I don't think it's over I think she comes back in a few years I think we see her on an ultimate girl's trip I don't think Lisa Rinna's done I just think it wasn't I don't think she's well either right now i mean she went through a trauma she's not operating from a grounded place it seems like maybe she needs to just take a fucking breath but you know as much as she was annoying on the show this last season and people haven't liked her like she fills the

role of antagonist on that show she is the villain of the show and they will have to fill that spot um because erica i don't know how much she can do it by herself she seems fucking tired to me also who knows if she even stays i'm sure she will because she needs a gig right we'll see well the thing the interesting not to go back to jen but like the interesting thing about jen is like the judge was like how are you going to make this money back like like she's giving up six and a half million but she also has to part of the the sentencing was another six and a half million had to be like paid back in restitution and so yeah the judge was like how are you going to make that money and she was well my manager is here and we're figuring it out and then the judge he goes well like what are you going to do sell merch like i don't see how this

is gonna happen for you and so for erica like think all she has is the show but jen literally can't do the show unless they shoot from prison so which they which they won't do in texas no way i think that the way that it was weirdly working was like, all that merch that Jen was selling was literally saying like, free Jen Shah. It was saying, and the judge brought that up. Yeah. I don't know. I guess she's going to use that money that says from free Jen Shah merch

to pay back the victims of her crimes she's saying she's guilty of. What? It's so... We're being sympathetic in our discussion of her as a person, but I mean, she sucks. She's awful. She's awful. And she's...

She's awful! And she's not essential to the show by any means. Not in the way that Mary M. Cosby is. She's actually bad television actively. She's bad television actively. I miss Mary so much. There are hints that she's hinting at coming back. We miss the days. We miss the days of Mary so much. There are hints that she's hinting at coming back. We miss the days.

We miss the days of Mary. Truly. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us?

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I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case.

Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, it's Matt Rogers. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. gets hurt, gets sick, loses a family member or their housing. That's giving relief. So when you or someone you know is in crisis, tell them to ask for help from Giving Kitchen by visiting givingkitchen.org slash help. That's givingkitchen. dolly of it all yes yes speaking of iconography if we're going to speak on mary m cosby's iconography can we just say i feel that 2023 is going to be the year of miley i feel like miley is back in a big way this year. 1,000%. And I am excited. Her announcement about her album, Endless Summer,

I just think, yes, give us big, summery LA bops. Do for us what Katy Perry hasn't done in such a long time. You know what I mean? Let's give big hooks. Let's give Party in the USA 14 times on an album. Let's have fun. Cause I feel like my thing with Miley is because she knows how easy it is for her at any given time to be the most famous person in the world.

She just, I mean, talk about star quality. Like she is. And by the way, in person, the beauty and it factor is real. Yeah.

It is wild. I mean, she is miley cyrus like she is she is really that girl and she's an amazing live performer live singer and host like that was really really a fun night and she was holding it all together i mean she was doing that yeah totally um but with her it's like i often find that her experimental eras, like, even if they don't like necessarily pop off in terms of like a big mainstream success way, it's not that she's ever like in control of something that's gone badly. It's just that she's like, no, this is what I'm doing right now. This is the way I'm going to express myself. And don't worry about me being huge. I will be later.

You know what I mean? She always knows her way back. She's on her own timeline. Yeah, she's just on her own timeline. Yes, exactly what you said. I mean, I do maintain that Plastic Hearts, her last album is excellent. Love.

I mean, love. I think people slept on it. Oh my God, so good. So good. High, the song High. Yes. Angels Like You, woo. Woo.

She is someone who,'m gonna say you forget that she is a nipa baby she's transcended the label and in the way that like you know let's say jamie lee curtis has not not not a great example it's totally apples to oranges but it's like it's like the talent is there i do think that star quality can be inherited like just like you can inherit anything from, like, you see Kate Hudson, and you're like, yeah, she inherited something from Goldie Hawn. You know what I mean? There is something there that's like,

that makes sense. By the way, Knives Out, Glass Onion, gag. Very fun. And Kate Hudson gives a Kate Hudson performance. So you're saying I'm dangerous? Are you saying I'm dangerous? So funny. Janelle, great. Janelle's great.

She was great. I mean, I, like, not that I already didn't have respect for her as an actor, but I was like, oh yeah, this is like a new layer to her. It was fun. So fun. I am on an Agatha Christie kick. Are you? And I recommend the same. I mean, you know Aaron Jackson is like the ultimate Agatha Christie kick. Are you? And I recommend the same.

I mean, you know, Aaron Jackson is like the ultimate Agatha Christie head. Yes. And it's taken me like a long time for me to finally get up. Like, you know what? Let me just like pick up one of these books.

And it's so fun. It's so fun. It's like, it scratches the same itch that you would maybe have after watching like a Knives Out or a Glass Onion. And you go, Oh, I just want like a fun

light breezy little mystery that like kind of has all these fun little interlocking pieces to it it's great so fun I'd like a romp it's gonna give you romp and quick reads I'm reading Murder on the Links right now it's one of her early ones early Poirot's you know what I just bought

the sequel to Less oh my god I've been i've been debating reading it but i love the first book so much that i am like afraid to read the sequel lenny and i were in the bookstore i went up and i handed the book to the girl and she goes oh yeah this is good it's not as good as the first one uh and i was just like oh okay she was like oh but it's still good i think she realized like i was purchasing yeah yeah yeah, oh, but it's still good. I think she realized I was purchasing it. She was like, oh, it's still good, though. It's still good. You'll like it. You'll like it. It's just, you know,

what sequel is as good as the first one? And I was like, it's okay. I'm going to buy it anyway. And she was like, okay. I can think of some sequels. The Way of Water? The Way of Water. And then Paris Hilton's Singing Stars Are Blind. I mean, God, so fun.

Sarah Sherman, Chloe Fineman, Nailing, Hosting Duties. Loved. When Sia was like, sing, Paris. And Paris was like, ooh. Sing, Paris. Ooh. Well. We love it.

We love it. Let's quickly, quickly, quickly make an announcement about a show that's also just been announced the real friends of west hollywood the real friends of west hollywood this podcast last culture is this is now officially identifies first and foremost as an arfro we ho uh recap pod arfro refro we ho um the anagram of everyone's dreams we are an official recap pod for the show we will be just like

watching with bated breath episode to episode week to week to see what happens in the real friends of West Hollywood's lives dissecting these compelling characters these amazing arcs and really really getting invested. The real friends of Westway.

It's like, tell me you're not really friends without telling me you're not really friends. The real friends. The real friends. It's so funny. I'm open. I'm not even dragging. I'm not even preemptively dragging.

Like, could we? Yes, I am open to it being an entertaining watch it's what people have wanted secretly or not so secretly for a long time but you just realize that it's like some things are just it's tough to get everyone on board and i would say largely not that many people are on board but we are no no but here's the thing It's going to come on right after Drag Race. Which people are also upset about. And so people are going to have the TVs on. Well, people have an emotional...

I know people are upset about it. People have an emotional connection to, you know, Mean Girls, then Drag Race, then Untucked. Like, that is what they want. That is what they're used to. And now you're getting, you know, fucking like... The real friends. The challenge into Drag Race into the real friends like it completely fucks up their cushioning and so i mean let's just quickly go down the list of these people you know it's so

funny they stopped at friends whatever the market research was was like no friends is actually the best word for this instead of like gays i don't believe that these men are actually friends of course not that's my biggest qualm of going into it as i was like no i don't think the six of them are actually friends i actually kind of know that um okay i don't want to say too too much but like they're they're not this is a casting and i just think they could have come to la and found a group of six or seven or eight people that were actually friends and just done that but and i think that's come that's maybe the first miscalculation it's like they did not and i don't understand how you could want to pattern this after the real housewives and not understand that housewives

works better when you're watching an established group of people with history and stakes but i digress i think where it gets a little distorted is status like i personally have no issue with housewives franchises where i don't know any of these people like these women going in right do you know what i mean and so the the fact that you have Brad and Todrick and James Vaughn, it's like, I don't know. It's like,

do they have to be people that are mildly exposed? I agree with what you're saying. It should just be a group of gays in West Hollywood who work different jobs, let's say. I don't even know. It's just not this. It's not this. Do you know what I'm saying? And...

You're gonna find out immediately when the conflict is canned that they went ahead and cast this. Whereas what excites me about like a first episode of something is like when the conflict feels really specific and small and could only be between these two people like if if the conflict feels broad in the first episode

we're gonna know like oh they're trying too hard to make this a bang. The reason Salt Lake City took off was because Smells Like Hospital. Literally, it was like, we're off to the races. And we've never let go of the rocket ship since. The rocket ship race. We're off to the rocket ship races. And I feel like there is, I don't really

see potential for that in this because I also don't think these are like can't be larger than life characters except for maybe todrick like i said i'm willing to be surprised i hope it's fun and funny and i hope that like you know there's positive representation and i hope it's ultimately like you know a good compelling show i just wonder if we've already shot ourselves in the foot by not following an authentic group of friends that the audience could discover because it's art it's like getting a coloring book and it's like half colored in you know what i mean it's like ariel already has red

hair and what's coming to me is that maybe viacom mtv was a little freaked out by the way Fire Island the show was received where it literally was a group of gay men who were friends with each other vaguely who we didn't know going in as an audience so maybe they were like let's try to veer the other way

and so that might explain it this just kind of is my slipshod way of justifying that. Yeah. I think that also it's like at the very least, like they got, well, I don't know about everyone on this cast,

but like a few of them are really talented. You know what I mean? Brad Grisky is a great stylist. I mean, Todrick, I mean, Todrick is talented. Todrick's very talented.

Curtis Hamilton, very talented actor. Yeah. Yes. And I mean like like so they got a bunch of very dynamic people to be on the cast I guess I'm just curious to see how it's gonna play out because I don't know but I know they did get some people that worked on Housewives

to work on it like some of the producers are Housewives producers so they're gonna try to make this as much in the image as they possibly can. I mean, I'm just curious. In any case, this will be, um,

a recap pod, a riff. Oh, we have a recap pod. Our fro, our recap pod. So stay tuned. I mean,

and we encourage you all to watch along with us since we can all be, we're all starting in the same level and, you know, just, it's fun to just have conversations about this. Wouldn't you say? It's fun to have conversations. I think that's rule of culture number six. It's fun to have conversations.

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that is top of my list for I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay. I'm ready. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey's time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, Rolling Stone, leaving Celine Dion off the list of the 200 greatest singers. Fuck off. This is so shameful. And it's bitter and it's personal i don't know how i don't know what

the collective issue that rolling stone must have with celine dion but to leave her even off a top 10 greatest singers list would be debatable at least 200 are you crazy 30 seconds if you pull i don't think so honey if you think that you're not gonna pull all of those singers and they wouldn't even say oh my god she's one of the greatest singers of all time ask the list that you are in itself for shame this is ridiculous 15 seconds people say that mariah like and whitney cultivated like the modern pop sound. Celine was right up there with it. Rolling Stone, this is terrible. Celine Dion should be in the top five. Shame on you, Rolling.

You really had me fooled. And you too, Stone. Death to all of them. I don't think so, honey. That's beautiful, Matt. And thank you for saying that. It really is shocking. Especially, not for nothing,

but now, now in a time where she is publicly suffering really weakened and suffering and so in such a such a state of depression because she can't perform you're gonna kick her while she's down now it is cruel it's incorrect and it is it feels like really tasteless to me well really tasteless for me like as soon as i heard that she wasn't, it feels, like, really tasteless to me. Well. Really tasteless. For me, like, as soon as I heard that she wasn't on it, I was like, well, then I'm not gonna, it wasn't even that, like, I, first of all, I worship Selena, have worshipped

her my whole life, but it just makes, it completely, like, ices that whole list out in my mind. I'm like, I'm not gonna read that. Like, I can't take it seriously. It's like, you have to be able to, like, it somehow and like rob sheffield or whoever the fuck at rolling stone like the people who make these lists the music editors there are all well and good i just sometimes they really like to troll the way that like you and i like to with our lists but it's like we do it in a way that's like yeah truly frivolous we're not rolling stone though we're not we're not like an actual respected publication

that you should read and be like, yes, I can take this as somehow word is bond. You know what I mean? And then their stupid fucking thing that they said after, remember, this isn't top 200 greatest voices. This is top 200 greatest singers. And there is

talent and then there is genius. I'm like, I'm'm sorry but you want to talk about technique and you want to talk about genius you want to talk about singing the way that celine dion uses her voice the way that she uses her breath her control her access her range like are you crazy like voices versus singing and that's how you're going to distinguish? That's how you're going to justify leaving Celine Dion off? I know, I know. It's crazy. It's too much.

It's too much. Whatever. I literally, having nothing to do with this list, like, just subscribe to Rolling Stone, just because I'm like, oh, like, they do good reporting. But this is, yeah, this is beyond the pale. Okay. It was completely beyond the pale, though.

That's what I pale. Okay. It was completely beyond the pale, Beau. That's what I said. Okay. And listen, so what I want to say to you right now is that it's your time for I Don't Think So Honey. Do you have something on today? I do. I do. This is Beau and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, London not embracing its pub food roots and only

everywhere you go there's pizza express there's Shake Shack there's fucking like things that don't belong that do belong in London but aren't about London I want you know me I love meat pies and there is no good place to get meat pie

in London the worst pies in London there are worst pies in London. There are no pies in London to speak of. Mrs. Mrs. Lubbock found dead. I'm over here going. It took me four different tries today, Matt.

True story to order a meat pie off of a delivery service. All I wanted was a nice chicken pie because that is British. It's authentic. It's delicious. It's comforting. It's a rainy day in London. That's all I wanted. Why does it make it so hard? The culturally there's so many roadblocks to having an authentic London experience.

London, embrace your identity. Close down some of the pizzerias. We don't need them. Turn them into pie shops. That's one minute. That's one minute. Sudi just got back from London as well after spending her New Year's there. And she was also in Dublin. She reports the food is

abject bad. I mean, the food is not bad in London. London has an amazing, amazing dining landscape. I'm just saying, every now and then, I want to order a pie off of an app. Specifically a meat pie. Yeah. A meat pie. And I'm going, why is this so hard?

I've had amazing dining experiences in London. I just wish there was a broader range of things and use cases. I want a pie. I'm sure other people do too. I want bubble and squeak. I want these authentic British foods. Do you know what I mean?

Anyway. You know, this is what I'll say. Sometimes when you're in a certain environment and you're doing something like eating a meat pie in London, it can recall Sweeney Todd. And then you might

lose your appetite because you look down at your pie and you think, is this a human? You know what I mean? Is this a human? Is this a cat? Is this a cockroach? It's like when you watch the movie Nope, and then you get your butt ate. You're like, is the Nope monster eating my butt? That monster, I didn't

like her. When she died, though, that was a gag. Sorry, spoiler alert. When she blew up? Final form of that monster, I was like, oh my god, what am I looking at? It was so big, first of all. So big.

I wonder if Kiki was gagged when she finally saw the movie and that's what the monster looked like. We're going to have to ask her that. We're going to have to ask her that. Kiki, go look up Kiki's Instagram or TikTok. She's talking about how she finally got clear skin. It's the funniest thing you've ever seen.

Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We're going to have so much to discuss with her oh my god next week kiki palmer and this is gonna be a big year for las cotrisas guests i think we're taking it up the next level we're taking it up the next level some fun moments and we're gonna we're it's gonna be balanced it's gonna be gaggy it's gonna be fun we're gonna really get into it with some fun people. That's all we'll say. Fair and balanced. I wonder

where I've heard that before. Fair and balanced is our tagline for our new season. Fair and balanced. Should we moderate the debates whenever they happen? Should they have Las Colas moderate debates? We would be so good.

We would be so good. No, but that's not what you said. You said to her. I think Lost Cultures, a live experience, should be like a debate show. That's really good. You know? That's really good.

We're still dealing with the repercussions of culture, which was, what, seven years ago? Yeah. And there are still some wounds that have not been sewn shut. So we'll see. You know what heals wounds? Time. Time.

And that reminds me of a song. It really does. And we end every episode with a song. If you thought I would catch you, I'd be waiting. I'd be waiting. Time'll be waiting time after time it's not a key change okay Lenny said to me the other day you're off key and I was like

you're just like Lenny he's not just like me it's too early for that Lenny and he doesn't listen to the pod anymore is what I hear but Lenny

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