Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Great Americans" (w/ Tina Fey)

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Do us and the world a favor. Go to your window and shout out "TINA FEY is on Las Culturistas!" Because it's true and everyone should know! Wish fulfillment is defined this week as Matt and Bowen welco...me Great American Tina Fey to discuss Countess Luann fandom, Molly Ringwald's career as a transcriber of French novels, starting out at SNL in the tough-as-hell 90's, watching Benny Hill as a family, the beginning of MTV, Blockbuster culture, and the era of soda, hoagies and no fitness. All this, Disney v. Universal, SJP's 90's film work, Rachel McAdams's impact as Regina George, how Mean Girls was written on Fire Island, what makes the best SNL hosts and the joys and dangers of hosting the Golden Globes. Also, discovering the Tina and Amy magic and bringing that to the road on their Restless Leg Tour (go see it!!!), Reneé Rapp and how the Jimmy Awards are the future, deodorant culture, and a very prescient IDTSH from Tina that ranks as an all-timer. How many mozzarella sticks is enough for you? Something to think about. TINA! This bonus episode is available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:38 Wow. Look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Las culturistas. Ding dong. Las cultulturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Back in tactile position. Talk to us about the mozzarella stick numbers that you were working with. So I don't know why this was the answer to how I should end my night. But I get home. It's 3.30 in the morning. I get stoned and order mozzarella sticks. Bad. Because I know I have to wake up at, let's say, 10
Starting point is 00:02:06 to sort of mentally prepare and, you know, cleanse myself, really physically prepare for the podcast today. And last night, I'm ordering my mozzarella sticks, and I see it says six mozzarella sticks, and in my mind, that's not enough. And then this morning, when everything sort of settles, you think, you didn't need one. That's
Starting point is 00:02:25 the devil's math with mozzarella sticks. But I feel like six feels like nothing, right? I think six is more than enough. When I order mozzarella sticks, this is the last time I ordered mozzarella sticks was at Alma Drafthouse. What? Watching The Boy and the Heron. And I had to leave in the middle
Starting point is 00:02:41 because of work call. Of a work call? Is that what you call violent shit? It was not. What? Because I know you. The second we both went in here today, we both ran to the bathroom and I know what that was. For me, it was a mozzarella stick situation.
Starting point is 00:02:54 It was a work call. Okay. This is all to say I got six and I only finished four. That's a huge brag and an insult to me. No. It was ravenous last night for them. But last night was very celebratory. It really was. It's very nice. Ayo did great. What an
Starting point is 00:03:09 unbelievable performance she had. Very, very fun. I mean, I think about between 12 and 15 people said this, and it just kind of kept getting kicked around. But this is like the bell house. This is like the bell house. But it really was. It felt like a celebration. It was very nice. We made it. Proud of her. Now,
Starting point is 00:03:26 what was your review of the Countess Cabaret? I'm still, I still have the shakes. Not because necessarily because of the talent, but she was great. The Countess Luanne as 54 Below was, she certainly has star quality. But there's something that happens where she steps on stage and sort of
Starting point is 00:03:42 everyone looks at each other and you go, we're getting blacked out. We're all drinking so much tonight. I asked you, was it like going to the Disney World character breakfast? It was not unlike that. It was like seeing Goofy come out while you're eating a Mickey-shaped pancake. Well, let's
Starting point is 00:03:58 say Minnie Mouse. Let's be kind. Minnie. Let's not say Goofy comes out. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, no, no, no. Keep that in. He's going to want you to take that out. That's not what I was saying. Lou, if you're watching, if you're listening. You're just saying Lou had the impact of Goofy.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not anything to do with it. The air gets sucked out. Right, 100%. Like when Goofy walks in the room, it's like Nicole Kidman in the Chanel No. 5 commercial by Baz Luhrmann. It's just like that.
Starting point is 00:04:20 You know the commercial I'm talking about. I think so. Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here. Tell me what it is. Okay. Go. You know what commercial I'm talking about. I think so. Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here and tell me what it is. Okay. Go. You know what this is. Byredo.
Starting point is 00:04:30 No, it's Axe. Oh. So I have, yesterday I said to Bowen, I'm like, I have no deodorant in New York. I don't know what happened. My New York apartment has no deodorant. I can't get it anywhere. And my mother was like, I want to get you something for Christmas. I said, don't.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I don't want anything. She goes, okay, I'll get you a bunch of little small things. 10 Axe deodorants, which is both a trigger to like high school locker room and also quite out of fashion. That is like the timeless, enduring thing about suburban life is that you're never more than a half a mile away from Axe.
Starting point is 00:05:02 From an Axe body spray, especially from Long Island. That's like a big culture. No from an ax body spray, especially from Long Island. That's like a big culture. No ax body spray. Yes. And so I do. I am walking around and it's sort of like a little bit of heaven, a little bit of hell. I am a little triggered, but also it's horny.
Starting point is 00:05:15 It's horny. Well, that's why I wanted you to smell me to get you horned up for the episode. Speaking of getting horned up. Speaking of horny. Speaking of horny. I think everyone's horny. Speaking of horny, I think everyone's horny for, well, first of all,
Starting point is 00:05:30 Restless Leg Tour. We're talking 11 days at the Beacon? 11 days at the Beacon? 11 nights at the Beacon. Well, I mean, yeah. My surprise. I'm like, well, of course. Well, of course. And it's the Beacon.
Starting point is 00:05:41 And if you're in New York, I think they're all sold out, but kind of elbow your way in. Are you going to sign the wall? I hope so. Yes. Yes. And I mean, obviously,
Starting point is 00:05:52 if you guys want to come. Oh. When is it? It's the 7th through the 19th. Thank you for doing the math real quick. I did the math. And 18th. Okay, wait.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Now we have to officially bring her in because that can't be the entrance. Hold on, hold on. That was so weak. No,. Okay, wait. Now we have to officially bring her in because that can't be the entrance. Hold on, hold on. That was so weak. No, no, not weak. Girls 5.5 is coming back on Netflix. Okay, thank fucking God because I had been wondering about that.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Oh, yeah. It's coming. Oh. March is going to be a big month for humanity. And Mean Girls the musical, of course, the movie. Oh, we're not calling it the musical.
Starting point is 00:06:24 No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024. We're calling it Mean Girls 2024. Which I texted you about it. I said 10 times. I said it's called Mean Girls the musical, of course, the movie. Oh, we're not calling it the musical. No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024. We're calling it Mean Girls 2024. Which I texted you about it. I said 10 times. I said it's called Mean Girls 2024. Mean Girls, eighth note in the negative space where the A is. Do you know what's funny? This person created and started our favorite movie and our favorite show.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Yeah. And I'm not even talking about Saturday Night Live, which also is in the top two of favorite shows on the 30 Rock. Oh, for sure. Can you imagine? Just go back in time and tell us in 2016 when we started this talking about Saturday Night Live, which also is in the top two of favorite shows on The 30 Rock. Oh, for sure. Can you imagine, just go back in time and tell us in 2016 when we started this that Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast? So Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And you know what I thought in the shower this morning? What did you think in the shower? Where you do your best thinking. This is where I thought worldwide pants took down all of the Tina Fey on Letterman interviews and those were my fucking comfort watches in college. Seth told you, though, that you could find it somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I think Seth lied. Liar. Why'd they take them down? I think Letterman wants to protect his content. I don't know. Oh, I see. I can't possibly begin to understand. And then also, I mean, so many things.
Starting point is 00:07:17 You love her. You really love this person so much, don't you? I'm talking to you, the story. The royal you. The royal you. Everyone welcome. Tina Fey! Hello, gentlemen. Hello'm talking to you, the story. The royal you. The royal you. Everyone welcome. Tina Fey! Hello, gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Hello. And they applauded the crew. Wow! By the way, this episode is directed by Christopher Nolan. It's Oppenheimer the film. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:07:36 A lady needs a lot of lights. And the gentlemen need a lot of lights. The gentlemen need a lot of lights. Blow out the Countess Lou from my face. Please. Are you familiar
Starting point is 00:07:43 with the Countess Lou? Yes. That is the original sort of Real Housewives New York era. Yeah. That was my era. I once chased Countess Luanne down the street on the Upper West Side because I was so, I was like, she's on the Upper West Side. Yeah, that's major. I chased her in front of that restaurant West that used to be there.
Starting point is 00:08:00 And I was like, I were, and I basically was like, I was like, Countess, and I was like, I work at NBC too. I'm a Universal girl. We also work for Universal. We brushed elbows at the up front. So wait, when you were watching Roni, like, were you sort of
Starting point is 00:08:18 like, I'm Bethany, like, I'm like with her? Well, first of all, no, I'm not Bethany. No way, no way. Thank you. No. I used to watch, the season one, I used to really love,any. No way. No way. Thank you. No, I used to watch the season one. I used to really love like season one. You guys were probably in middle school because it was before nobody was aware. No one was like working the camera yet. Nobody was.
Starting point is 00:08:35 And it was just really I just wanted to see people's apartments. I get it. I wanted to see their apartments and make judgments. And I didn't need them to be fighting about stuff. No, no. I just wanted. And so who was it was. Oh, you know who I was obsessed with them to be fighting about stuff. No. No. I just wanted, and so who was it was, oh, you know who I was obsessed with
Starting point is 00:08:47 at that time was Alex. McCord. Yeah. Oh, bless. That was essentially, had the show gone in a different direction, which was we just watched
Starting point is 00:08:54 these people live their crazy lives and it wasn't like as conflicted and she would have been the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. But I think because people gravitated towards, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:03 fighting. That's so funny though because I think Architectural Digest home tours have like scratched the itch or like taken over that little fascination we have of like people's homes. And like that's fully been supplanted. Right. And Zillow. Just be like, just go on Zillow and look in apartments. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 00:09:19 But remember when she was redoing her Brooklyn townhouse and Jill Zarin came over and she's like, we're restoring this banister. And she was like, honey, you don't have to save everything. That's not a good banister. And Jill Zarin, oh my God, she was incredible. Yeah, who else was in that original?
Starting point is 00:09:34 Ramona. Ramona. I just recently picked, for some reason this was on, it was the fashion show episode where Ramona walked with those crazy eyes and Jill is just dragging and just like killing it in the front row. Yeah. Comedically. Comedically. Totally. She was
Starting point is 00:09:51 really on fire. Yeah. They kind of by like their second season. So this was not the phenomenon back then either, but it wasn't this thing where like they saw themselves for the first time on TV and then they got the work done. Yeah. Just like facially. Which happens to everyone. I mean, you see yourself on TV and you go, oh no. Oh yeah, breakdown. Oh no, what are we gonna do about this? You're like, that's my face all the time. Yeah. People see my face as that? Yeah. Speaking of Universal,
Starting point is 00:10:16 do you have any thoughts about this Epic Universe announcement? Yeah, because we know you're a Disney gay like us. Well, listen, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah. My instinct, my gut instinct is, oh honey honey, it's SNL, Mad TV. Uh-huh. You think so? The tastemaker at the core.
Starting point is 00:10:31 You're right. Defines the thing, right? And so Walt Disney is Lauren. But I'll go. Yeah, you're going to be there. But I'll go. And we all love, we like Mad TV. And there are amazing things at Mad TV and amazing, hilarious people came out of Mad TV.
Starting point is 00:10:44 But there just wasn't that unifying core taste. Yeah, totally. Well, what if I told you this? So one of the announcements they said was that there's going to be a Frankenstein ride and the star of the pre-show is Victoria Frankenstein, the great granddaughter of Dr. Victor Frankenstein. But is that the Diablo Cody movie that's coming? That's Lisa. I conflated those last week. Okay. I am daughter of Dr. Victor Frankenstein. But is that the Diablo Cody movie that's coming? That's Lisa. That's Lisa. I confused those.
Starting point is 00:11:05 I conflated those last week. Okay. A lot of girl boss Frankenstein's happening right now in the culture. We have to differentiate. Universal's trying to use that. I'm just saying. The Universal Monsters catalog in fun ways. And I'm enjoying that.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Yeah. If you went in there and said, I'll play Dr. Victoria Frankenstein, you, first of all, you'd book immediately. Like 17 shows a week. 17 nine minute shows a week. 17 nine-minute shows a week. Performing every day. You wouldn't even do the pre-show? Would I do a cue? The cue, that's what we mean.
Starting point is 00:11:32 The cue. A cue, I mean, listen, in my heart of hearts, am I holding out for a Disney cue? Of course. Did I, at one point, try to volunteer me and Amy Poehler to do Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton for the Hall of Presidents and they were like we're good. Oh my god. Well I only
Starting point is 00:11:48 volunteered it to my friend who's like the guy that I didn't call. Yeah yeah yeah. To Sam. Sam! To be incredible. Sam is a huge part of our life now too. Oh my god that makes me so happy. We went there. He loves you. I love him. I know you can tell it's a special relationship. It really is. The Disney relationship is a
Starting point is 00:12:04 special relationship and that's actually real culture number 88. The Disney relationship is a special relationship. God bless Sam because Sam took us on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind no less than seven times. Which is not medically advisable. No. Have you done it? Yes. It's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:12:18 But I'm in age where I can do it once. Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, 100%. And just for clarity, that is vomit. Once. Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside. Oh, 100%. And just for clarity, that is vomit. Well, I've become that girl that's like, when the part of the ride that makes people nauseous comes up, I'm like, keep looking at the planet.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Keep looking at the planet. Don't look to the side. You're going to fuck yourself up. And people don't really listen. You have your strategies. Yeah, I have my strategies. Well, I knew this about all of us that we shared this. And that's why I bring it up.
Starting point is 00:12:45 And that's why, now correct me if I'm wrong, you've been on the Avatar Flight of Passage ride. Of course, yes. Don't you think that should be him in the pre-show? A hundred percent.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Just explaining what the banshees are. You have the scientific gravitas to carry that pre-show through. I don't want us to fully raise a middle finger to that guy, though. It's not about him.
Starting point is 00:13:03 This is about you. This is about what's best for you to be in that pre-show. He did fine. The guy that cute and I don't know if this is a true story or a story
Starting point is 00:13:11 that I made up for myself. Either way. But I feel like someone else was supposed to shoot that and then and something went wrong and they were like
Starting point is 00:13:19 you have to do it. You made that up. Yeah, I think you made that up. Here's who'll know. Sam. Oh! 100%. Isn't it great to have a resource that up. Here's who'll know. Sam. Oh, 100%. Isn't it great to have a resource?
Starting point is 00:13:26 Yes. The Disney relationship is a special relationship. You go to that person for information like this. Can I tell you a deep Disney nerdery thing? 100%. If it interests you, I could try to get you in on this. Let's do it. Okay, so have you ever done a voice at Pixar?
Starting point is 00:13:42 A voice at Pixar? No. That's an oversight. That needs to happen. Okay, good. Sure. Okay. Famously, you have.
Starting point is 00:13:49 I got lucky enough to do one. But so the guy, Pete Docter, who runs Pixar, super nice guy, legend, the kindest, loveliest man. And he invited me in on this super nerdy thing that sometimes they do where they have, I guess they used to do it in person during the pandemic they were doing it over zoom where they just have literally like someone found a case of like weird b-roll building the park footage and they just play it like they haven't seen it and it's just like from like 1971 we're building the haunted mansion and it's just like raw footage of nothing but like guys working and then there's experts on who like they're all these imagineers who are talking about what it is
Starting point is 00:14:25 and then they just drink really and it's amazing and because it happens on the west coast yeah if you're watching it east coast
Starting point is 00:14:32 it's like it's like two in the morning and you put your laptop in your bed wow but it's so cool that was my dream like until I found out
Starting point is 00:14:40 it was mostly science and math and you had to actually there's a lot of engineering there's a lot of engineering otherwise the people fly off. Exactly. 100%.
Starting point is 00:14:49 We need to reconnect with Sam. Sam was lovely. Sam was really lovely. Sam is a tour guide at Disney who is an icon and a legend. This is a big shout out to him. He's a great American. He's a great American.
Starting point is 00:15:01 He said he was coming to see you and Amy. He came to D.C. He came the first weekend.. To D.C. He came the first weekend. How have the shows been? What's that like? The shows are so fun. I do hope you'll come to the Beacon.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I want to come. Yeah, please come. Bowen's like, I'm going to stay quiet. I'm coming. We have the best time. It's the two of us. We take you on a little journey if we can. And we usually always have like
Starting point is 00:15:25 one special friend show up and we go to these cities people are so lovely to come see us and then we stay at a nice hotel
Starting point is 00:15:33 and I've said this before but it is like we get up like the other night I really did text Amy before a show and I was like right before we went out
Starting point is 00:15:39 she was on the other side of the stage and she was like I'm getting excited about going to sleep because we do like we have so much like I'm getting excited about going to sleep. Because we do, like,
Starting point is 00:15:45 we have so much fun. Like, I'm also learning, like, I love the part where we do the show and I was like, I guess some people go on tour because they want to party
Starting point is 00:15:52 after the show or whatever or they want to hook up. And I was like, I like the part where we do the show and sometimes if we have a new thing
Starting point is 00:15:59 and it works, I'm like, that works. And then I go home and I wash my face and I like stand in silence facing a wall. Like, I'm like a that works. And then I go home and I wash my face and I like stand in silence facing a wall. I'm like a little robot. Yeah, you leave, like you let yourself like charge.
Starting point is 00:16:11 And I'm like satisfied. But I think this is just a function of like time. And I will say for Matt and I, it's exceptional if we go out after the show. I mean, even yesterday, like we were in Bowen's dressing room, like, and Bowen comes in. He's like, all right, so the after party, and we all were like, at the same time, like, we don't know. We don't know. It might be a quick drink. They were hungover from Luann.
Starting point is 00:16:35 So hungover from Luann. I had a 19-hour day. But you guys look good. That's the difference. You still look really good. I put on concealer because the camera's today. You put on concealer today? Because the camera's because I'm inches away from people.
Starting point is 00:16:46 I love it. If I knew how to do my own concealer, I would do it. Is it as simple as dot, dot, dot? Kind of. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:52 I tried, I tried to do my makeup today and I probably will see this and be like, Oh, it was like coming from a matinee of playing Mrs. Love it. I'm always trying to use, you did. I didn't get to,
Starting point is 00:17:01 my husband went, I didn't get to see, I was touring. I tried to use that rare beauty blush, which is great husband went. I didn't get to. I was touring. Right. I try to use that Rare Beauty blush, which is great, but it's so pigmented that then I do it
Starting point is 00:17:09 and I'm like, I'm either looking great or Baby Jane. Or just love it. It's Baby Jane. It's totally Baby Jane. It's Betty. Have you been,
Starting point is 00:17:17 have you checked in on the new feud? I haven't watched it yet, but I think I will. I don't watch every part of the Murphyverse, but that one, I'm like, you might get me. I do feel, I was like, watch every part of the Murphyverse. But that one, I'm like, you might get me. I do feel I was like, okay, the PR is over time.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Because there's so many articles now about it. I was like, are we, this is really what we're, this is top of mind in every paper. But it does seem interesting. It is a lot of fun to watch just because of the, like, atmosphere of it all. I will say the entire story of it is just, well, you know, Truman Capote befriended these women and then he wrote an article and they never spoke to him again. And that's literally it. So I'm kind of interested to see how it's going to be a whole limited series because
Starting point is 00:17:53 even in the first episode, you get it. Like they're not talking to him anymore. Right. But then I'm thinking like maybe every episode will be like a bottle-ish episode and be getting more into the specifics of who these women were, which is going to be great. I need more Callista, though, at this moment. I got three different
Starting point is 00:18:07 line reads of Demi Moore calling Tom Hollander a faggot. A venomous faggot. Yeah, she with her whole chest gets to say a slur and it's really fun to watch her just let it rip.
Starting point is 00:18:18 They really let Demi go for it. Yeah. And she goes for it. Yes, yeah. And I loved it. Well, I do think that is, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:24 that he is giving these actresses, like, he's making people's phones ring who maybe their phone wasn't ringing that much. Molly Ringwald's. Yeah. Like, her phone rang off the hook for this. And you know what Molly Ringwald has been doing in the meantime? Translating French books. Translating French books. Yes, yes. Lie with me.
Starting point is 00:18:39 It's a really sad gay French novel. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's really smart. I believe that. No, she's incredible. Yeah. She's a very, she's a great American. gay French novel. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's really smart. She's very good. I believe that. No, she's incredible. Yeah. She's a very, she's a great American. Well, one of my obsessions at this moment is Chloe Sevigny, now that this has all been happening. Yes. And apparently Chloe simply broke down on the day where she had to shoot with Molly Ringwald because that was how much she meant to her.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Yeah. I didn't know that. Ah, that's cool. Uh-huh. Oh, that's so sweet. And Chloe, who's like the coolest, like you would imagine is like very unbothered about the whole thing. Yeah. I didn't know that. Uh-huh. Oh, that's so sweet. And Chloe, who's like the coolest, like you would imagine is like very unbothered
Starting point is 00:19:06 about the whole thing. Yep. Actually, in interviews, like I watched her on Jimmy the other night and she's very like, like y'all.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Like y'all? She's like everybody. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, I cry, I break down to Molly Ringwald just like you, me, and everyone else.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Yeah. That's the shared, I guess, American experience. Yes. I'm kind of tying this back to a national sort of narrative. Well, she also was like, they did this thing because like, you know, she's obviously a fashion icon, Chloe.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And they were like looking back at all of her like iconic looks because she was like that fashion girl. She really was, yeah. She had nothing nice to say about anything she ever wore. She's like, oh, this, no, this, no, this, no. And I was like, maybe that's what makes her such an icon. She also needs to keep looking. She didn't just find a uniform and stick with it.
Starting point is 00:19:50 She was like, never satisfied. Never. Have we found our uniforms? This is your uniform. Sure. Okay. This is a cream collared, long sleeved collar. You're good at like a strong basic.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Is it a knit? Is it a sweat? Is it a, it's a sweat. It's a, it's like a, it's a sweatshirt. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:20:08 it's good. So, but that's, I don't know if this is the uniform though. It's the glasses. It's the, I mean, yeah,
Starting point is 00:20:13 that's it. You've changed your glasses though. In the last year. Yeah. Yeah. Yesterday I had my contacts in for the show and then they had to audition different pairs of glasses for the sketch. And then one of them had an actual prescription in them.
Starting point is 00:20:23 And I was like, Oh, this one has a prescription in them. And then my dresser, actual prescription in them. And I was like, oh, this one has a prescription in them. And then my dresser, Audrey, was like laughing. And she was like, Keenan earlier had the same thing happen to him. And he said, there's medicine in these. There's medicine. There's medicine in these glasses.
Starting point is 00:20:38 By the way, Keenan Thompson, and I'm not, and this is perfect, but this is truly like an apropos thing for me this week where he was up till 4 a.m. with us shooting the sketch just rallying everybody keeping the morale up like getting everybody out of like the 4 a.m. overnight shoot like doldrums or
Starting point is 00:20:57 whatever team captain vibes what a treasure again as we continue to make the list of great Americans who do we have so far? We have Sam Loomis, Kenan, who was somebody in between. Molly Ringwald. Sorry, Chloe.
Starting point is 00:21:13 You're a great New Yorker. Yes, top 20 New Yorkers. Absolutely, up there with Hamilton. Up there with Hamilton. Do you have any thoughts about what she has said, I guess in a Rolling Stone thing, about how New York is all Lululemon and dogs.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Too many dogs. But as a recent dog owner, what do you make of this? Like, as someone who's been in New York for a minute. Yes. Are there too many dogs?
Starting point is 00:21:39 I haven't noticed anything. There's a lot of dogs. I mean, I don't go to, like, the dog park and that kind of stuff. I have people that do that. My dogs poop inside every single day. Oh, really? Oh, they're a mess. Consistent places? Sometimes
Starting point is 00:21:55 I'm like, guys, I'm the queen of Versailles. I can't have this. And the dogs are like, we haven't watched that. No. Have you watched the series Queen of Versailles? No, someone just told me about this. I will watch it. I did recently rewatch the original. Excellent movie.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Fascinating, incredible. The series is a little bit of a cheapened version, I'll say. I'll say that on the record. Because like all documentaries, not all, but a lot of great documentaries, they started thinking it was going to be about one thing. And then it changes. That usually is exciting and adapting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:26 What's the most famous example of that? It's probably The Jinx, right? It's The Jinx. The Jinx and also Capturing the Freedmen. Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen that? I don't think I've ever seen it. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Well, first of all, because it's supposed to be about this guy who's a party clown and then it turns out that he has this dark family history and they follow that. But you know that Silly Billy, the party clown,
Starting point is 00:22:42 used to play the SNL holiday party up on 17. He would come and do like party clown stuff. When I was a writer. When like Norm MacDonald's son would be there. That era. So I saw the doc and I was like, oh my God, that's Silly Billy. Oh no, Silly Billy's family. Oh, now we know.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Did the party. He was not. What do you mean he did the party? There used to be a little, you know what it was? They would have, when the tree lighting was happening. Yes, yes, yes. They the party. He was not. What do you mean he did the party? There used to be a little, you know what it was? They would have, when the tree lighting was happening, they'd have bagels and stuff
Starting point is 00:23:09 and people would bring their kids. They would bring their kids to that. Some people would bring, you know why? Because Lauren's kids were little. That's why. That's why. There are no children about.
Starting point is 00:23:18 It's just the bagels and it's like, the meeting's happening, like your sketch might get picked, it might not. It's like there's a lot of weird tension. But then the lighting is always a beautiful moment. It's a nice moment. But might get picked, it might not. It's like there's a lot of weird tension. But then the lighting is always a beautiful moment.
Starting point is 00:23:26 It's a nice moment. But we were talking, you asked about New York and does New York have too many dogs? Probably. Does it have too much Lululemon? I mean, it's a mix. In my neighborhood,
Starting point is 00:23:33 it's a mix of like, there's a Lululemon and then everything else is vacant. Yeah. I guess I'm in LA most of the time where it's just all dogs. And so I just kind of accepted that me not having one is,
Starting point is 00:23:43 I'm wrong. And I should get one. I also like now I'm starting to feel a little guilty that I don't have one. Do you remember when I hosted that dog grooming? I hosted a dog grooming competition show called hot dog. H a U T. Excellent. And there was a day,
Starting point is 00:23:57 there was a day where it was like rescue dog day. And they made me hold one of these dogs and give a direct to camera. Like, don't you want to save a life? Like, how would you feel to know that you could have saved a life and you didn't? And then I like handed the dog back and I was like, okay, see you guys later. And then I felt bad. It was like, we need to help.
Starting point is 00:24:15 We need to help. The message, that was the help. Yeah. The PSA was the help. I did my thing. I can be fun uncle to these dogs, actual children. Yeah. I'm ready for parenthood with the dogs, though.
Starting point is 00:24:26 With the dogs. You want one. Well, he would be a great dog owner. But I can't do it with the schedule. Because no one brings their dog to SNL. Oh, people bring their dogs to SNL. That would be a bridge too far. Oh, there's a couple people, but it's fine.
Starting point is 00:24:39 They stay in the dressing room? They stay in the dressing room, or sometimes they'll bring them out. It's okay. That's a different world. It's okay. Yeah, would never have flown? No. No, no.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I don't think so. Yeah, yeah. Right now, I think post-pandemic, we're all like, we've had a rough couple years. Yeah. Let everyone have what they need.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Let's make sure everyone's fine. Yeah. Which I culturally must feel wild. I remember, but this just comes with starting out there, no matter who you are, no matter what job it is.
Starting point is 00:25:10 If you start out there, it is always hard and it is always a cultural adjustment. But I just remember a time like pre-pandemic where I was just like, oh, I was terrified every day. Every day I was shaking. Just to be there?
Starting point is 00:25:24 Just to be there. And yeah, I would have never thought to. I went there day I was shaking. Just to be there? Just to be there. And yeah, I would have never thought to. I went there, I was 97 when I went there. And I mean, I see with clarity now, like the 90s were so rough. Like rough, rough, rough. In what sense? What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:25:41 Like kindness was not in fashion. Oh, no. And it would get worse from there. And no, mental health was like, what? Yeah What do you mean? Like kindness was not in fashion. Oh, no. And it would get worse from there. And no mental health was like, what? Yeah. What is that? What are you talking about? And that's why everyone ended up with some form of like temporary kind of OCD and, you know, but even just when you look back at, you just look back at like 90s Letterman interviews. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:26:04 And you're like, oh my gosh, he's just like harang Letterman interviews. Yeah, totally. And you're like, oh my gosh, he's just haranguing a teenager. Yeah, absolutely. And we were like, ha ha ha. Yeah, he got her. That dumb slut. He got her. Exactly, that was the culture.
Starting point is 00:26:14 That 55-year-old man told that dumb teenager. Paris Hilton will never be the same after that. Well, but like the Paris Hilton thing, I still, I mean, it's rough. Like, I don't like celebrate that interview necessarily. Yeah. It is incredible. And it's Letterman being the most Letterman in the best, not the best way, but in a way that you're like, it's Letterman.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And then, I've talked about this before. It was the thing that like Anna Dresden and I watched and we're like, so I guess the iceberg should be like, I want to talk about this thing and not talk about this other thing. You know what I mean? We modeled it after that interview specifically. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We watched that. We were like, okay, so like,
Starting point is 00:26:51 I just want to talk about my other thing. Yeah, but it was like, that was the 90s too. It was like really fucking making you squirm a bit. And there's just so many things. Even people like, if you've seen that, again, these are all people that I you know hold nothing against them like
Starting point is 00:27:08 no but like there's some old Conan clip where the lady from Melrose Place is on Heather Locklear no
Starting point is 00:27:16 oh gosh someone else the other blonde lady Becca Courtney Thorne Courtney Thorne thank you so much first of all
Starting point is 00:27:23 thanks for thank you I believe it's Courtney Thorne Smith and I forget maybe it of all thanks for putting that out there thank you I believe it's Courtney Thorne Smith and I forget maybe it's like I don't know if it's Conan once had a
Starting point is 00:27:29 norm on the other side or something and they're just like doing a bit like some kind of bit that she looks really hot or whatever and she's just trying to
Starting point is 00:27:35 tell her story from whatever it is the pre-interview of like a funny thing that happened to her and it's like two maniacs on either side of her
Starting point is 00:27:42 and you're just like oh yeah we're not doing that anymore right right right but at the time it was like ha ha ha
Starting point is 00:27:49 yeah and those are like Conan is a lovely kind of course involved intelligent person we all were I should probably try to think
Starting point is 00:27:56 of a story that I tell on myself instead of like no no no but they were like we were just hard we were hard people well we had Seth Meyers on the show
Starting point is 00:28:04 like probably about a month ago. And he was saying that like the best time like that he felt like the winning season was probably like 2008, 2009. Like obviously when you went back. Do you feel that way too? Well, I feel like that was a crazy good time. And Seth was
Starting point is 00:28:19 head writer and was doing a great job and the world wasn't as dark. And yeah and yeah for me I felt like that was my like prayer for Owen Meany moment where I was like was I born to look like this lady I guess so but now it all seems so gentle I was there I remember
Starting point is 00:28:36 I was literally there I remember one of the coolest ones was it was the I guess weekend update Tuesday or Wednesday oh yeah those two specials right yeah the Thursday thing they would add those things and I was at the time like a standby person I guess weekend update Tuesday or Wednesday. Oh yeah, these are two specials, right? Yeah, the Thursday thing. They would add those things. And I was at the time like a standby person. Like I would wait all the time.
Starting point is 00:28:51 And so someone at the line like was like, yeah, they actually, they give us tickets for Thursday thing. So here you go. And it was you, Will Ferrell, and I guess Daryl Hammond, right? Like doing. And he was doing Bush and stuff.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Yep. I think I remember that was the one that my parents were like, that was a little too far. They were cause they're Republican. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:29:09 That was a little too far. I forget what, I don't remember what the jokes were, but they were on board till then. And then they got back on board. It wasn't a rift. They forgave. Totally.
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Starting point is 00:31:53 available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is, I don't think I've, this is personally important to me and I will never forget this, but I matriculated to NYU, lived with my sister, was not in student housing, and so I was very socially anxious about meeting new people. And I had researched the improv group at NYU in April of senior year of high school. And I'm reaching out to the Facebook page, throwback, and I out to the Facebook page,
Starting point is 00:32:25 throwback, and I message the Facebook page, when do you guys hold auditions? Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch? If I'm just a science major? Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch? I was so... I know, I remember the feeling. And then the person who answered me was Anna Dresden.
Starting point is 00:32:39 She was like, hey. She's so funny. So funny. But just like, cosmically there was something about that. And then she was like, don't worry, good luck with your mini-fidge rentals, hey. So funny. She's so funny. So funny. But just like, cosmically there was something about that. And then she was like, don't worry. Good luck with your mini-fidge rentals.
Starting point is 00:32:47 Like, bye. And then auditioned for the improv group, made it to the final round. And then I was like, I really hope I get this. Got the email from Anna Dresden saying, we're so sorry. Oh, fuck.
Starting point is 00:32:59 We were floored by everybody. Please start your own groups. We shouldn't be the only game in town, blah, blah, blah. Game in town being NYU. The only improv group at NYU. I was like own groups. We shouldn't be the only game in town, blah, blah, blah. Game in town being NYU. The only improv group at NYU. I was like, okay, licking my wounds.
Starting point is 00:33:10 My sister had gone out. I had the apartment to myself. It was Saturday. Michael Phelps episode of SNL. Tina and Amy were just going on as Hillary and Sarah. I get the call during the cold open live
Starting point is 00:33:21 from Anna being like, We made a mistake. We talked about it. Just kidding. We're taking on two people and you're in the group. And then it was like this crazy shift. Like something like...
Starting point is 00:33:35 The culture decided to be good. No, no, no. It was just... It's like, it's going to be a good time. The trajectory was like perturbed in like the best way for me possible. I caused it.
Starting point is 00:33:47 You caused it and no matter what you were like And Amy didn't. It was just me. It was you. But anyway, that's what I will always fondly remember. That's a great memory. Okay, but is this the thing then? Starting at SNL when you did or coming back
Starting point is 00:34:03 whatever the after party culture is at any given time is that informing what you and amy do after the show because where you're like well let's just go to bed well no i mean we used to i mean when we were at snl we used to go out until i had my first child and then i would sometimes begrudgingly go out and they like you have to sit with lauren i'd be like okay oh yeah um i'm at that stage but i'm childless i'm a childless conceptual. But we used to go, but I never was an after after. That was always, I'm like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I can't imagine what that would even be. No. I remember, I feel like one time Tracy Morgan had like, he did like an illegal private casino somewhere. That Dratch went to. Like the next day I was like, it was insane. Of course. I mean. like, it was insane! Of course. Of course it's insane. But speaking of all this culture, so that we're
Starting point is 00:34:49 talking about, in many ways, culture that made us say culture was for us, but we have to ask you this question. And it is, of course, a difficult question that is really open to interpretation. But Tina Fey, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay. I've been thinking about this question. I struggled to understand it,
Starting point is 00:35:06 but I think I'm going to try to frame it like, have you ever done those I am from poems? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if we frame it that way, I'm also much older than you guys. And so I'm really going back. I may say things that mean nothing to you, right?
Starting point is 00:35:19 We'll see. Try us. Like, I am from watching Benny Hill as a family. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. Benny Hill as a family. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. What? Yeah, no. Watching a weird old man ogle women bikinis being like, this is formative.
Starting point is 00:35:31 As a culture. As a family. As a family. Like, it's on PBS, guys. Get around. I am from, you know, a time when it just, our whole life was you go to Blockbuster. Yep. You rent The Stepfather, you rent the now incredibly problematic Sleepaway Camp 1 or 2.
Starting point is 00:35:51 And you watch it with your gay friends. Again, if you want to talk about how hard it is, cackling. Knowing it's horrible. It's me and my best friend Marlene going to Pretty Woman when it first came out and immediately cackling, being like, we're the only ones that know that she's a sex worker and this is grim, right?
Starting point is 00:36:13 Okay, this week it's Richard Gere, but every other week it's terrible. Cackling. What else? I mean, Real World New York season one. Guys, I remember getting up early with my brother to see the beginning of MTV. Wow.
Starting point is 00:36:35 The beginning. The first video. Like downtown Julie Brown vibes. Like video killed the, like, let's put it on. Oh, wow. Getting up to see Live Aid. Yeah. And being so pumped that it was partly in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Wait, it was? You guys are like, Phil Collins is on the Concord, you guys. Phil Collins is on the Concord. Wow. Yeah, it was for whatever reason, because the quality of the venue, it was in wherever it was in Wembley, I guess. It was Wembley. And like, Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something. It must have been the vet. I'm silly and stupid and I thought it was just in the UK. Noembley I guess it was Wembley and like Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something
Starting point is 00:37:05 it must have been the vet I'm silly and stupid and I thought it was just in the UK no and that was the big thing was they were like Phil Collins is gonna
Starting point is 00:37:11 play with this band and then get on the Concord and play again what else has formed who I am you know Sheila E the glamorous life
Starting point is 00:37:20 wow thanks for that you know Kelly Clarkson just brought her back Sheila E's on Kelly Clarkson's album and I feel like no one talked about it. Yeah, she's on the last track, and she's tearing it up. Yes. Sheila E.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Yeah. We gave her a special culture award. Sheila E? We did. We did. Oh, my God. That's right. We gave her something.
Starting point is 00:37:38 She's been recognized by this podcast. Good. I'm glad. Yes, she must. What else can I give you? You know, the divinals. I touched myself. The divinals. That was like, or like, me trying to have, to'm glad. Yes, you must. What else can I give you? You know, the divinals, I touched myself. The divinals.
Starting point is 00:37:45 That was like, or like me trying to have, to no success, trying to convince people that our junior prom theme should be, there must be an angel by Eurythmics. The theme is there must be an angel. I was like, just going to keep writing these papers and putting it in the box. No. What was it? Ultimately, Under the Sea?
Starting point is 00:38:03 They needed to get real. Well, it was like Bryan Adams, Heaven. Oh, okay. And then I think maybe senior year was maybe like This Is The Time, Billy Joel.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Wow. Which was a new song. Yeah. I love that. Wow. But this is the thing where I go, how would I have done?
Starting point is 00:38:21 How would any of us do in like a bygone time? You would love it. The blockbuster of it do in like a bygone time you would love it the blockbuster of it all really resonates because it's also about going to blockbuster and only ever renting
Starting point is 00:38:30 two things renting two things over and over over and over over and over watching another one was like arachnophobia
Starting point is 00:38:36 was a big one I feel like there's a Martin Sheen one that I can't think of that was like a horror movie maybe that's right and like also with my two good friends
Starting point is 00:38:44 Jim and Damien, who are brothers who between the two of them are the amalgam that are the basis for the character Damien. Damien. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:50 And in their house, they had a back staircase that had been closed off and made into a pantry that was full of every kind of junk food known to man. And we would just go over there
Starting point is 00:38:59 and get after it. And also just like, get after it. Like it was the 80s, like no one did fitness your outfit was like a high collar thing with a blazer
Starting point is 00:39:09 yeah it was just like and there were no phones did you drink a lot of soda drank so much soda so much soda would eat like a cheese hoagie
Starting point is 00:39:17 so like a 12 inch hoagie with three kinds of cheese yeah really filling and then still able to poop wow yeah right
Starting point is 00:39:24 exactly the body hadn't yet betrayed yeah and just like I'm trying to think culturally too it was like kinds of cheese. Yeah. Really Philly. And then still able to poop. Wow. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. The body wasn't yet betrayed. And just think, I'm trying to think culturally too. It was like VC Andrews, flowers in the attic.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Flowers in the attic. Reading those on like the beach at the Jersey shore. Yes. Or like on the trolley to work. This is so evocative. Other weird things that I don't realize are like, I was obsessed with Paul Young. Paul Young.
Starting point is 00:39:48 That was like, every time you go away. You liked like boy music. Well, he was super cute. Oh, okay. Yeah. And like SCTV used to be on after SNL, three weekends a month. And then the fourth weekend it was wrestling and he'd be like, uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Who did you imprint on on SCTV? Was it Catherine? Oh my gosh. Or Andrea Martin. Andrea and Catherine. Yeah. For sure. Andrea gives me
Starting point is 00:40:09 the frisson. As you say. Did I use that right? You used that right. You absolutely used frisson right. Frisson is the word of 2024.
Starting point is 00:40:17 It's like that feeling. We need Molly Ringwald to translate. It's just like a feeling of like something in the air. The euphoria.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Like when something is like, oh, I have the frisson thinking about this. Like the chills. When we mentioned Sam. It's the tingles feeling of like something in the air. The euphoria. Like when something is like, oh, I have the free song thinking about this. Like when we mentioned Sam. It's the tingles. I got the free song thinking about Sam getting us on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:32 That's a beautiful ride. I think that the boy music thing is like, that is also a thing. Like the men of the eighties and nineties. You were allowed to be, yeah. But like there was something I'm gonna say, like, set aside, like, ogling and stuff, but, like, the men of that
Starting point is 00:40:50 time... Hot. I sound insane for saying this. You don't. You could look up to men in a way that was, like, fine. Yeah, you could look up to men and be like, I'm okay. I'm okay. Weren't worried about what they were up to, maybe, as much, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:05 It's not even that. I mean, I think they were good Americans. Good Americans. That's going to be the name of this. That's the name of this episode. No, literally,
Starting point is 00:41:11 good Americans, what's going to say? But we also, I mean, we also were like Janet Jackson, Madonna, Go-Go's,
Starting point is 00:41:18 like that's a long, Eurythmics. I remember also, remember when Eurythmics came out, like when the first Sweet Dreams came out and we were like, people were scared of them. Yeah, it was dark. Like she had that I also remember when Eurythmics came out, like when the first Sweet Dreams came out.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And we were like, people were scared of them. Yeah, it was dark. Like she had that short hair and she was wearing a suit and everyone was like, what's happening? She was on Tidpop. And even when she did like Diva and like did do her own thing, like it was still, there was something sinister about it in a way that I love. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Like, yeah, just gender bendy. The song Why by Annie Lennox. I want that as I'm lowered into the ground. Remember that. I do say revisit There Must Be an Angel.
Starting point is 00:41:51 It's beautiful. Okay. And also, I mean, Walking on Broken Glass, like there's a reason for it. Someone's going to sample that song
Starting point is 00:41:57 and it's going to be just the piano. It's going to be on Stranger Things or something. Yes, 100%. Yeah, like that song
Starting point is 00:42:04 taking off the Kate Bush of it all. I'm happy for the rediscovery as a culture. You guys talked about this, that it's the year of the needle drop. Yes. Yes. 100%. Do you watch The Bear? No.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Okay. I have seen some of them, but not all of them. Probably one of the most famous needle drops of this year is Taylor Swift's Love Story on The Bear. Oh, they did that? They did that. Oh. And to get the Taylor Swift's Love Story on The Bear. Oh, they did that? They did that. Oh. And to get the Taylor Swift song must have cost a lot of money. So thankfully it paid off on The Bear.
Starting point is 00:42:31 The Bear, you're doing excellent. Yes. You guys are crushing it out there. They really are. They really are. It's so wild to see her like slay drama like this. I am, yeah. Yes. I know.
Starting point is 00:42:40 I have to go back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went. I know. She's so good. And I think it was like, I always like, back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went. I know. She's so good. And I think it was like, I always like, of course, coming up with her,
Starting point is 00:42:50 like we always knew she was so talented, but then I was watching Bottoms. Did you see Bottoms? Yes. I was watching her on screen. There's a scene where the camera gets way up in her face and I think she's having a moment with her love interest. And I'm like, you got it, girl.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Like, she got it. Big time. Big time. We were in the edit yesterday for this pre-tape. Every take I was like, oh, Ayo knows. Pops.
Starting point is 00:43:10 She knows where to find the camera, whatever the camera, but like, and then it would cut to me and it'd be like, what am I doing? Shut up.
Starting point is 00:43:18 No, no, no. Bowen, you know what to do with the camera. Do we all have this? Do we all have this thing where it's this, there is some dysmorphia, that might not be the right word,
Starting point is 00:43:29 but it's like, I think it's getting worse and worse for me in terms of watching myself. I've reached a point where I don't do it. Unless it's something that I'm in charge of and it's like, I have to edit it. I'm like, oh, I'm going to make this movie and I have an idea.
Starting point is 00:43:43 I'm never going to watch it. Yeah, I got it. And that's like freeing. You know, when it came out about the four seasons, the gay group chats were popping off. Of course. That's really exciting. I'm excited about that too.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Yeah, this is going to be good. I hope so. That's a good link up again with Tracy. Oh, Tracy and Lang, the best. Tracy Wigfield and Lang Fisher. Oh yeah, that's going to be good. Super funny writers. The gays that
Starting point is 00:44:05 remembered the movie were like like they were very right totally oh that's great oh no yeah they're lining up already I can't get over
Starting point is 00:44:13 that my two movies from Blockbuster were The First Wives Club and GoldenEye that's that was my personality that's where it started GoldenEye okay
Starting point is 00:44:20 First Wives Club that makes sense yeah First Wives Club though you watch it now and you're like it's so a movie of the 90s where it's just like
Starting point is 00:44:28 it takes a bit to get into being a movie and then then it is you know what I mean but I kind of missed the days
Starting point is 00:44:35 where it was just like no the first half hour is just gonna be a lot of relationship building like a lot but is it any first act stuff that actually ever
Starting point is 00:44:44 pays off in the end? No, right? That felt like a 90s thing where it was like you just... I think it's all worth it to watch them at the end sing You Don't Own Me. And I can't remember anything else about the movie besides that. And you know who else you forget is in that movie kind of crushing it is SJP. Yeah, she's great in that movie.
Starting point is 00:44:59 So good. She's great in that movie. She's great in L.A. Story. Yes. She's great in Ed Wood. Oh yeah. I don't think. Story. Yes. Yeah. She's great in Ed Wood. Oh, yeah. I don't think I've seen Ed Wood. Wait a minute, Bowen. Ed Wood is so great. That's a really good one.
Starting point is 00:45:12 Okay. I've got two weeks off. Yeah. Wow, you do have two weeks off. So excited. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to the Beacon. I was going to say,
Starting point is 00:45:20 except the Beacon. Except the Beacon. So wait, when you would have a vacation from SNL back in the day, would you go or would you just sit? Would you bed rot? I think I mostly just sat.
Starting point is 00:45:29 I feel like people at SNL do much better sort of self-care and living their lives. But I think in the beginning, my now husband was still in Chicago. So sometimes I would go back to Chicago for the week or whatever. But no, I never took one real vacation. I'm just still learning how to do that. I'm like, oh right,
Starting point is 00:45:47 you book a trip and then you go there. Can I say, I've never developed, I don't think, I think my time is up. I think, if I haven't learned by now
Starting point is 00:45:56 to book a vacation on the two weeks off, I don't think I ever will for my remaining time there. I'm just like, I don't have that thing of like, that admin thing of like, let me book an Airbnb or something. So I'm just like, I don't have that thing of like, that admin thing of like,
Starting point is 00:46:05 let me book an Airbnb or something. So I think it's, I think there's something about working there that like makes you want to stay put because you're just like moving around a lot or something. Yeah. You need to recover. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:18 The thought of going to the airport doesn't seem good after that. No. Never ever. I literally did this when you were in town last season where I would like do a show on Saturday. My flight was at
Starting point is 00:46:29 8 a.m. after daylight savings after the spring clock jumped forward. So I lost an hour and then went to the airport to go to London to then shoot.
Starting point is 00:46:38 And I was just like, this is actually, this is CTE. Yeah. This is CTE. There's a part of my brain that's leaving yeah
Starting point is 00:46:46 and so I don't know oh my god that sketch last night when I was like and when the wind blows I can feel my memory who wrote that
Starting point is 00:46:53 shout out to Asha Ward hilarious she is crushing it she's a new young writer she co-wrote this elevator sketch with us as well yeah that was great
Starting point is 00:47:01 she is so damn funny and yeah she said that line to us on Tuesday night when she was pitching it when she was kind of going around with the idea she was like with us as well. Yeah, that was great too. She is so damn funny. And yeah, she said that line to us on Tuesday night when she was pitching it, when she was kind of going around with the idea.
Starting point is 00:47:09 She was like, yeah, it's based off this People's Court, this actual People's Court episode. The actual People's Court episode. Where it was, the plaintiff did have, like the haircut was,
Starting point is 00:47:18 her scalp was showing obviously, not her actual brain. But then Asha was like, I think we're going to make it her brain in this gift. And I was like, that's amazing. And then Asha goes, yeah, and I think I wanted gonna make it her brain in the sketch I was like that's amazing and then Asha goes
Starting point is 00:47:25 yeah and I think I wanted to say when the wind blows I can feel my memories like being blown away and I threw my head back I was like you have to put that in
Starting point is 00:47:33 yeah you must you must I did want to ask so like when you're at SNL and also you're at the same time writing Mean Girls
Starting point is 00:47:40 like I guess what I'm wondering is like how long did it take you to do that because I remember like literally at the time reading interviews with you where you were like I just I'm what I'm wondering is like how long did it take you to do that because I remember like literally at the time reading interviews with you where you were like I just wanted to see if I could do it yeah and then you so obviously could but like how what was that process of like juggling that because that seems like a lot of work all the time I am trying to
Starting point is 00:48:00 remember um I know I did a bunch of it in the summer. I feel like maybe it was over two summers because it was the first time we rented a house in Fire Island on... We both love Fire Island. We all love Fire Island. Ana Gasteyer had recommended just doing that and we went and we trash picked a desk and we carried it.
Starting point is 00:48:19 I remember Jeff's arms got like a huge... It's not Fire Island if you don't get a weird rash. And he immediately got a rash and I was like oh I think there was deer pee all over Jeff or something and so the
Starting point is 00:48:29 I must have been doing first draft the first summer and then the shooting I remember the second summer was the shooting draft because I would get
Starting point is 00:48:38 Mark Waters the director I would get pages of notes every single day and I'd be like I think I did it and then be like okay let's go through today again he's like page four and I'd be like, I think I did it. And then be like, okay, let's go through today again.
Starting point is 00:48:45 He's like, page four. And I'd be like, hmm. But he was right. It was like, it was stuff of like, where are they? This, that, could this be short? It was like a lot of technical stuff. And there was an amazing woman named Jill Messick who worked for Lauren at the time,
Starting point is 00:48:58 who she also was just like poking me, okay, like a lot of drafts in between unofficial drafts. So I don't think I was doing it. I must have been doing it on weeks off. Yeah. I don't think, I don't have a memory of doing it, trying to do it at the same time as the actual show. Like, only because, like, and obviously, like,
Starting point is 00:49:16 the movie is so perfect. It's just everything. God bless you. It's one of those things that, like, just falls into place in every way. Like, I remember we were saying, it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it, and I knew I was going to and had to. that just falls into place in every way. I remember we were saying, it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it
Starting point is 00:49:27 and I knew I was going to and had to remember every line that was happening. I saw it with my cousin and I was just like, this is a really special thing. And then going to school, I remember I was like, all the track girls, I used to run winter training, this is a specific, but I would run track and I would practice with all the girls
Starting point is 00:49:44 because we would just talk about things like this and everyone knew all the lines and it was so funny because I watched my one friend sort of
Starting point is 00:49:52 I could tell she wanted to be like Regina George in a way where she didn't really get it I was like you don't want to be actually mean
Starting point is 00:49:58 but the way she started speaking it truly took over I remember it was that and Anchorman and I remember as a gay kid too I learned the language of Mean Girls started speaking and like it truly pervaded i remember it was that anchorman yeah it was like
Starting point is 00:50:06 and i remember as a gay kid too i learned the language of mean girls because that was what all the girls were doing and then anchorman was what all the boys were doing and so it was sort of this like code you had to code switch yeah and i remember taking my dad to see it and like he was so excited because it was coming from you and And I remember it was just like this like moment that felt like a unifier like in high school because everyone thought it was funny. Everyone thought the cast was amazing. And I really wanted to ask about Rachel McAdams because this is essentially is a Rachel McAdams stand podcast. Yeah. We could just talk about her and no one else.
Starting point is 00:50:39 And we should. Yeah. But like I was reading an interview with you recently where you were like you mentioned like watching her act like change the way that you approached it. Yeah, because I had never been in a movie before and I didn't know what I would go and to be in the scene. I'd only done SNL and I wasn't even really in sketches on SNL. I just did update. Right, right. So I would be like, I would literally be like, in my head, I'd be like, I don't know if I'm on camera right now.
Starting point is 00:51:02 So I'm going to try real hard every time. Yeah. Like didn't know to even ask if I'm in this part of the setup. And her performance was so small that I remember being worried and going to Mark Waters and being like, I don't know. And then you get the dailies and it was like, yeah, perfection. But it was very, it was small. It was a film performance.
Starting point is 00:51:19 It wasn't like me. We talk about that all the time. Like the sketch mentality of coming in in one mode, especially especially like because we didn't have any acting training coming up. We were like creatures of the basement, you know, like any of us. And then all of a sudden you book a thing where you have to be on camera acting and they're like, hey, just throw it away. And you're like, I don't know what. What does that mean? But you learn.
Starting point is 00:51:40 But the difference is that when you see when you see people on SNL, when you see someone like Ayo who understands the assignment, to use a now old phrase. It's back now, though. It's back. I brought it back. She understands what she's supposed to do and what sketch requires. And then you compare to, well, not name names, but you see people who come in who have only ever done film, whose performances are built in the edit room, who have no internal sense of pacing or even energy. Yeah. And oh, and oh,
Starting point is 00:52:07 they can fuck up a show. But they can slay the pre-tapes. They can slay the pre-tapes. Slay the pre-tapes. Yeah, pre-tapes for them. Pre-tapes. Literally all we want to tell people now at SNL,
Starting point is 00:52:14 like all I tell the hosts all the time on Wednesdays, especially at the read-through, I go, Fast and loud. We were just like, just do it fast and loud. Fast and loud.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Wow. And that usually is plenty. Dials it in. It's plenty. Wow. And that usually dials it in. It's plenty. Yeah. That's what Amy talks about how, because we do a Q&A in our show and like we often get asked like, you know, who are your favorite guests and stuff? And she's like, I love athletes because they're used to being coached and they don't care.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And you just be like, just do that. They just do it louder and like say it and they're like, okay. You also get a sense that anyone with like a Disney kid past comes in there and tears it up. Yep. Also, by the way, people who've done and there are fewer and fewer of these people but used to be people who had done soaps.
Starting point is 00:52:49 You know who's got his start on soaps? Alec Baldwin. Julianne Moore. Make a choice and go. Get Lisa Rinna to host. Oh, come on, Lisa. Julianne Moore, I think, our favorite movie of the year is May-December. We fucking love May well and that's I think our favorite movie
Starting point is 00:53:05 of the year is May December we fucking love May December that's your favorite movie of the year we love May December I enjoyed it but that and Poor Things were my
Starting point is 00:53:11 I haven't watched Poor Things oh you'd love it oh you'd like Poor Things Emma's Emma's another one like comes in and like just yes
Starting point is 00:53:18 gets it and gets it gets it on camera obviously but Julianne Moore I guess because what's so fun about the movie is it's like purposefully a melodrama, right? That insane music. That music when she's like, we're out of hot dogs.
Starting point is 00:53:31 Yeah. With her insane accent. But then she was talking about like, she's like, well, you know, I started in soaps and I actually did the archetype of like. The twins. The twins. The evil twins. Like the amnesia twin. So it wasn't even just amnesia or just twin.
Starting point is 00:53:45 It was both. Wow. Acting opposite herself, wanting to kill herself. Incredible. Kill the other. It makes all the sense in the world to me.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Wait, you said that about Alec too, though, where it's like the Rachel McAdams thing where it's like just- So quiet. Yeah. When you're like,
Starting point is 00:53:57 is this going to work? And then you watch the other, you're like, oh my God. Oh my God. There it is. And sometimes, you know,
Starting point is 00:54:02 real stars, they don't really do what they're going to do until you're on their close up. And so, you know, you stars, they don't really do what they're going to do until you're on their close-up. And so, you know, you look at those first two seasons of 38 Rock and I'm like, hey,
Starting point is 00:54:09 we got a problem! We got a problem! And he's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I'm like, hmm, you won that one, sir.
Starting point is 00:54:17 You won that one. It really is wild, though, because you do a take and they're like, okay, we're moving on. And you're like, there's no way we can. I didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:54:24 And they're like, no, you get the performance of a lifetime. You, there's no way we can. I didn't do anything. And they're like, no, you get the performance of a lifetime. You just won't ever know because it wasn't fun for you at all. Right. Exactly. But it worked for us. Back to Mean Girls really quickly.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Yeah, please. How many times did you see it in the theater? Cause you brought your dad. Three. So I saw it. Four. Oh my God,
Starting point is 00:54:38 bless your heart. Oh, come on. I mean, like, first of all, like, I wonder how this feels too.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Cause to join this thing of like, it was like Heather's, it was Clueless, and then it's Mean Girls. And that has to be really meaningful. Very meaningful to me, yeah. Because those, you know, Heathers and Clueless were hugely formative. I mean. This is my thing. This is my specificity with it. There was like a website, 2004, 2005, in that time of the internet called the script database
Starting point is 00:55:05 or something. And they would either have the screenplay, the original screenplay of the movie, of any movie you could think of, if they had it, the original actual PDF or the scan or whatever of the script, or they would have a transcript. And then I remember reaching out to the admin of that being like, I will transcribe Mean Girls
Starting point is 00:55:21 for you. And then he was like, And I did it. And this guy was like, I will transcribe Mean Girls for you. And then he's like, and I did it. And this guy was like, God bless you. The demand for a movie has never been higher than for Mean Girls. And I was like, I'm gonna do it. And I wrote the fucking, like, the slugs
Starting point is 00:55:38 in the description. I transcribed Mean Girls. How old were you? 14. Wow. I was, this is what I said. I said,
Starting point is 00:55:48 I can get you the script. And then this guy, this like 30 year old man was probably like, you mean the actual like Tina Fey like draft? I was like, no,
Starting point is 00:55:55 no, no. I'm just going to type out what they say. I like didn't know. I didn't know what he was looking for. He was like, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:56:03 I'll take a transcript. I was like, oh, that's yes, of course. Transcribe. Yes, I will write out what they say. I'll say Katie says that, you know, like, yeah, that was the level of like, yeah, there's like joy in every scene. And I guess what I feel is like you forget like that such big deals came out of that movie to like Amanda Seyfried. Like she's just so in the fabric of the movie having fun doing her part that you forget
Starting point is 00:56:26 that she would then become like an Oscar nominee. Yeah, hello. And I mean, it's like that down to everything. And I wonder like in shooting it, did you know that it was like, did you have a feeling
Starting point is 00:56:38 that there was something special happening? Which feels like a question, like a boring question. Or an impossible answer. Because it did end up being culturally significant. Thank you. I feel like I mean part of the reason
Starting point is 00:56:49 that it worked is because those girls were so legit and took it seriously and played it so real you know if they had been campy about it because I think that's the thing I try to sometimes pass on in whatever writers rooms or whatever is like no one no villain thinks they're no one's the thing I try to sometimes pass on in whatever writer's rooms or whatever.
Starting point is 00:57:05 It's like no one, no villain thinks they're, no one's the villain in their story. Like Regina's whole thing is like, it's hard. Like she's going to come crying to me and then I got to help her. Like no one's a villain in their own story, right? And I think they all played that perfectly. Because, you know, and you can see now like Regina's a villain, Janice is a villain, Katie's a huge villain. Like everyone's making mistakes, and they played them all perfectly.
Starting point is 00:57:28 But, you know, I think I was just at that place of, like, basically, like, is it going to air? You know, we're going to, it's going to get made. That was the triumph in my mind. That's refreshing to hear, because I think Matt and I are in that mindset right now where we're just, like, we're working on things, and we're just, like, let's just not worry about
Starting point is 00:57:45 the contours of this. Let's just like, the goal is just to get it made. Period. You know what I mean? I read this book, I think it's called like Wild and Crazy Guys
Starting point is 00:57:53 and it's this little nonfiction book about that span of time where like, it's like Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Dan,
Starting point is 00:58:00 it's like all of, when they all were blowing up and what movies got made and whatever. And so many of these movies that are just canon to us they were like didn't really open and you're like oh I don't care like
Starting point is 00:58:13 you know I watched it 100 thousand times whatever the man with two brains or you know like that was just they just were movies you know and to like not worry too much about, like, how it does out the gate. How it does.
Starting point is 00:58:27 How many theaters. It is just, you wonder, like, how many things we would actually love so much that it just get written off. I wonder about that all the time, like, with the way the industry is now. Like, how many things aren't getting made that, like, are actually going to be things that we think about in 15, 20 years.
Starting point is 00:58:43 You know what I mean? Like, it feels very far and few between that you get something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think movies still are tighter. Yeah. I feel like TV, because there's so much more like you are getting, like you're getting Reservation Dogs.
Starting point is 00:58:55 You're getting, you know, Simon Rich's weird show where the people, you know, like Simon, you know, it's what Bottoms felt like. Yeah. Totally. So refreshing. Well, she's incredible. Emma Seligman, the director of that. Simon Simon you know that's what Bottoms felt like yeah totally so refreshing well she's incredible Emma Seligman the director of that
Starting point is 00:59:09 she's like I think she can do anything she can between Shiva Baby and Bottoms I know and we love Rachel we love Rachel
Starting point is 00:59:17 so it's happening like and you know my daughter's 18 my older daughter and that is Bottoms is everything really everything
Starting point is 00:59:24 right yeah it's her Mean Girls in a way yeah yeah that's so cool that's so cool My daughter's 18. My older daughter. And that is bottoms is everything. Really? Everything. Right. Yeah. It's her mean girls in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. That's so cool.
Starting point is 00:59:32 I mean, it is this thing where like, maybe we're just because we're like in, we have some awareness. We're like reading like the anchor or whatever. But I'm just like the survivorship bias of it all is really hitting me where I'm just like, oh yeah, if I think too hard about the things that aren't getting me, then I start to get,
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Starting point is 01:01:31 On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. like there can't have ever been a time when there was like not those not those people it's one of those things it's like yeah i think so and lindsey had worked with mark before lindsey was coming she had a lot of heat coming off of freaky friday and there's also mark waters i think maybe i can't remember we should fact check for sure okay but yeah yeah i think so uh-huh yeah and she came and she remember she came by snl just to like hang out and be seen because I think she wanted to be considered. She wanted to play Regina, which I think was fun. And Lorne was always wise, was like,
Starting point is 01:03:13 no, you want that person to be the person who takes the trajectory to Regina. He's basically like, that's the part that you want. She was like, okay. Was that when both you and Dennis were head writer? Probably, yes. That's so funny. I love Dennis.
Starting point is 01:03:30 She was also a killer on SNL. Of course. People who acted as kids also, they're just like, where do I stand and what do I say? Let's do it. Miley Cyrus, where do I stand and what do I say? Kiki Palmer. Locked and loaded.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Kiki Palmer everything. Kiki Palmer. Which is why we need to push more children into shows. Yeah, 100%. We need to feed the SNL host pipeline by ruining children. If there is like some sort of surgical Neuralink type procedure just to implant that thing in actors of just like stand here, say it loud, say it fast.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Fast and loud. You guys had that at the same time too. That must be like a thing. Fast and loud, yeah. Fast and loud. Was never, you guys had that at the same time too. That must be like a thing. Fast and loud, yeah. Fast and loud. Sudi would say that and then Celeste and I say that now
Starting point is 01:04:08 to all the hosts. We're just like, just project. That's our thing. But we're nice but we're not like, we're just like, yeah, just blow through it.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Fast and loud. And it works. I bet it does. Anyway. I mean, vibes are incredible. Vibes are incredible. They really were.
Starting point is 01:04:23 I mean, from home. They were nice. They were nice. Are you watching every week? Not every single week but I try, you know,. Vibes were incredible. They really were. I mean, from home. They were nice. They were nice. Are you watching every week? Not every single week, but I try, you know, what sort of got me back into the,
Starting point is 01:04:30 every week was, was Alice being old enough to, and like wanting to stay up and watch it. But we, she was not home last night because she was at the cast party for her own high school musical. What did they do? Well, the prom,
Starting point is 01:04:41 she killed it. They all killed it. They were all great. That sounds like a tour de force opportunity. All girls' production of the prom. Oh, really? Oh, that's even more. Oh, that's beautiful.
Starting point is 01:04:51 I love that. I know. It was super cute. Of the prom. Okay, so that is a hilarious idea to think about someone playing Didi as like a child. By the way, this girl killed it. Oh, I wish I had video for you because she killed it. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:05:07 People are like, if you could do one role, what would it be? I'm like, I know it'll never happen, but I'd love to do Dee Dee in the prom. I had to do drag for the show I was in last year. And I put this little wig on, like a little side swoop. Not exactly Catherine Zeta, but in the world. And I was like, I think I am Dee Dee. I know I am. You're Dee Dee. Do're Didi um do you know Jeff my husband Jeff yes yeah so he often brings up that like back in musical theater like major college yeah but you take makeup class and part of makeup class was
Starting point is 01:05:36 always like you had to do drag or like you had to like do a gender swap with your makeup and he really likes to brag that he looked this may be be tool to reference you, but he's like, I was very pretty and I looked like Barbara Mandrell. Oh my God. He's like, I was very pretty. Have you seen photos? Could you confirm?
Starting point is 01:05:51 I have not seen photos. Okay, well. You should tell him to put on a face again. I know. He has a beard right now, but he might shave it for the opportunity
Starting point is 01:05:59 to show off Barbara Mandrell. Just tell him if he wants a stage, we do something called the Culture Awards every year. He's welcome to come out and give his full Mandrell. And then you can judge whether he still looks like Barbara Mandrell.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Oh. Barbara Mandrell, also, you're kind of almost there with the drag name anyway. Totally. Mandrell. And then... This is what I'm saying. This is what we're saying.
Starting point is 01:06:17 The opportunity is riper and riper. We're not going to judge him. It's going to be like a fucking VMA situation where he knows ahead of time that he's winning the award. We're saying that's the VMA because the Grammys are today. And we're like, we think people don't know if they're gonna win a Grammy. But I think you know if you're winning like a VMA. I bet.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Yeah. Because Taylor Swift has changed her... Flight? No. She's changed her Instagram to all black and white, which we believe means there's an announcement coming. Eminent. Instagram to All Black and White, which we believe means there's an announcement coming. And I'm like, well, I wonder if Taylor Swift could find out in advance if she's winning a Grammy.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Because if someone could, it's probably Taylor Swift, right? Probably. You don't know what the Oscars, you don't know what the Emmys, you probably don't know what the Grammys. It's not people's choice. You would know, you've won a ton of these things. Did they call you before? No, no, no. I feel like I do remember one time with the Golden Globes,
Starting point is 01:07:06 Alec was nominated for 30 Rock and he was like, can we just call them and ask them if I won? Because I felt like with that one, maybe you could have. And I don't think he was able to. And I don't remember if he won or not. But he was like, surely this one, they'll just tell me if I have to go. And well, I mean, I bet they would. If it's Alec.
Starting point is 01:07:25 Especially the Globes at that time. I know. Oh, by I mean, I bet they would. If it's Alec, whatever. Especially the Globes at that time. I know. Oh, by the way, your guys' host, would you guys go back and host again? Oh my gosh,
Starting point is 01:07:30 I don't know. It's a thing because we ended, the last time we did it was this weird like Zoom one that was a bummer. But we did used to have so much fun doing that.
Starting point is 01:07:38 We really did. You guys were the best at it. The Zoom one can't be the period on the piece. That's the tricky one, yeah. Not to put the pressure on. I know, but we could either try to erase the Zoom one or yeah. Well, NBC doesn't be the period on the piece. That's the tricky one, yeah. Not to put the pressure on. I know, but we could either
Starting point is 01:07:45 try to erase the Zoom one or, yeah. Well, NBC doesn't own it anymore. Right. Right. And, you know, me, you, Countess Luann, we work for NBC.
Starting point is 01:07:54 You got it. We're Comcast, girl. Comcast for life. who's in charge of NBC these days. Right. I will say, she was on one the other night.
Starting point is 01:08:03 She is alive up there. Yeah. That's great. She is alive up there. Yeah. That's great. She goes for it. And it's so funny because you watch the early seasons and you're like, this woman's never going to become
Starting point is 01:08:09 a cabaret star. And then you go to 54 Below and she was doing covers of Oh, What a Night. How do I ask this delicately? Has she been working on her singing? Can I say?
Starting point is 01:08:23 Because everyone does. It totally does. Taylor Swift did. Yeah, you're not Because everyone does. It's so deeply. Taylor Swift did. Yeah, you know what? A hundred percent. Here's what I'll say. There is a quality to her voice
Starting point is 01:08:32 that I think limits what it can do. Yes. It's low and raspy. It is so low. It's a Bea Arthur. It's a Carol Channing. It's a Channing, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:39 It exists where it exists. And so I think we're picking songs that just the keys are two steps down from what they, even are for the men she covers. Yes.
Starting point is 01:08:48 But I will say there's something sort of, she really knows her range. She's matching pitch. 100%. And you're never going to see her like go for the money note. Right. In fact,
Starting point is 01:09:00 one time she did go for the money note and it was more like, I'm joyfully making a big sound than it is I'm hitting a note. Which, it's just about the selling and the delivery of it. I think her range, being what it is, is the perfect extra dimension to her performance. And I think she knows that now, and I think she's like, let me just have fun. I know I'm not the best singer. And we're saying this with love, Lou.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Well, there's a lot of people who, yeah, if it's like, if you know how to put your show together and give people, and also if people know what they're signing up for. We were signing up for four red sangrias I found. Sangria. I don't know what it was about it
Starting point is 01:09:41 that made me feel like this is the drink tonight. Sugar and wine. How could you? And this is also what got me really, I make like a quote unquote famous sangria, winter sangria for holidays. It's just so much booze. And I literally was just like, yay. And I realized no one likes it as much as me. But because I made it, I feel it must get consumed. And then you're blacked out on Christmas.
Starting point is 01:10:01 And I don't even get drunk like this. It's only when I'm drinking red sangria. NYU, pre-21, if you didn't have a fake, the place to go is Little Italy. You would just order like a- The House Chianti. The House Chianti. Well, no, you would order like a huge pitcher of sangria.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Cottage too. It got you there. Well, cottage, it's Chinese restaurant. Do you remember the restaurant? The Chinese place? Yeah, the Chinese place. Yes. So they're long gone now.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Two of us and Steph Xu The Chinese place. Yes. So they're long gone now. And Steph Shue of everything ever. Oscar nominee Steph Shue would go there in college and get wasted at 19. And drink red wine. What was that? It was worse than two buck chuck. It was something worse than two buck chuck. It was like fermented Welch's grape juice. Yeah, 100%.
Starting point is 01:10:38 I had my birthday there. It was like a party of 25 underage kids getting so much of this red wine. So much. But wait, in terms of putting together a show, though, just quickly, was it like you and Amy being like, what do we want to do? Do we just want to sit down? Because it would be easy to just do that. I mean, we do it all the time. Right, just sit down and do a Q&A.
Starting point is 01:10:57 We did a little test run of Netflix is a joke. It's just mostly a Q&A and a couple of little really undercooked bits. And it was easy and fun but we sort of thought like oh we should have a little bit of structure and so we do I feel like this is
Starting point is 01:11:11 a really nice little structure I don't know if I should give it away because we may keep touring but like yeah it has sort of like four parts there are wardrobe changes
Starting point is 01:11:21 oh love there are one to four wigs yes oh good depending on the night there is a little There are wardrobe changes. Oh, love. There are one to four wigs. Yes. Oh, good. Depending on the night. There is a little bit of improv. Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:31 There's a little bit of stand-up. Come on. And a special guest. And a special guest. And so the structure, it reminded us of Golden Globes times because we always have, we have such, it's over 30 years. Yeah. That we know each other. So we do really have a shorthand of like, what if we go X, Y, Z?
Starting point is 01:11:50 Like there's no ego in it. There's like we, and also we both been producing things for a long time. So I do feel proud. I feel like we're giving the white women that come to see us and other people too. Let's not fool ourselves. And 30 something Asian. And beautiful Asian gamut. All are welcome. and other people too but let's not fool ourselves and 30 something Asian and beautiful Asian
Starting point is 01:12:06 all are welcome I feel like we're giving people like what they want from y'all but anyway but also it's like hopefully a little bit
Starting point is 01:12:15 surprising as it goes along but the answer is like basically I was on set we were finishing filming the Mean Girls movie in Middletown, New Jersey and we had
Starting point is 01:12:24 Amy and I had been working like once a week over Zoom being like talking about what in middletown new jersey and we had amy and i had been working like once a week over zoom being like talking about what the show could be whatever and then we had from the day i finished and it was a brutal it was a very tiring fast shoot it was like a lot of late nights and whatever and um so that was say i finished on like the monday and then like saturday we were like our test show was in port chester so she came and we had like three or four days it was very much like the golden globes we were like our test show was in Port Chester so she came in we had like three or four days it was very much like the Golden Globes we were like
Starting point is 01:12:46 okay we got this we got this and we just sort of finished figuring out the show and we've honed it some since but it is sort of like you know when you write
Starting point is 01:12:53 something that's born quickly and it just comes right out it's usually a good sign and the structure kind of just slipped right out when did you realize there was like music
Starting point is 01:13:02 to you and Amy like I wonder because you guys have always been like friends and I think I don't so you guys have always been like friends and I think I don't know how true this is
Starting point is 01:13:07 but like you were at SNL and like put her name in their ears and then she came yeah so we started you know we were in we started together
Starting point is 01:13:15 at Improv Olympic yeah Sharna Halpern said to both of us this girl you're gonna like this girl we're gonna put you on the same team
Starting point is 01:13:21 and we were the only two girls on a team inside Vladimir and which is a gay porn title that's what it was named on yeah it was named for a gay porn
Starting point is 01:13:28 VHS tape that was on display at JJ Pepper's on Clark and McFarway oh my god it's good for them I remember we also were like
Starting point is 01:13:35 we named it after that and then as a team we were like we should all watch it once as a group and then we were like oh we watched it the first 10 minutes
Starting point is 01:13:41 and then people drifted to other parts of the party except for like one or two of the straight guys that just hung in. Yeah, right? Code switching. I can't.
Starting point is 01:13:48 Yes. And so we toured together. And we were both understudies for the main stage. And she was 100% the A team and I was the B team. I remember one time Kelly Leonard was like, you know, so-and-so's going, Dratch. Dratch is going on vacation and Amy can't, she can do all of the nights except one.
Starting point is 01:14:09 And I was like, so I get it? And he's like, no, you're going to, she's going to do all the nights except one and you're going to go on one time. And I was like, okay. But, and then she left to go do UCB show in New York. And then, and then I did main stage literally only because she left or I would have been waiting another two years behind her. I was John Glazer's understudy.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Oh, wow. John Glazer. In Yotta Full of Bees. And he is such like a gender neutral in his comedy that I was just like, yeah, you can just step right in. Totally. Because it's all just like wonderful weirdness. Matt and I both read for a John Glazer assistant part in the show. And I backed one up.
Starting point is 01:14:44 We love you, John. He and his wife listen to the podcast oh they're the best I see them on Fire Answer Mose in the summer by the way I didn't even mean to do this but I realized I had my merch my island pines sorry sorry so then I ended up trying to get a writing job at SNL
Starting point is 01:14:59 and Adam McKay hired me and I started and then yes so at some point I guess after the UCB TV show ended, I was like, but would you ever, but would you ever come over here? Would you ever audition? And I feel like it was sort of brokered that she was like, basically like, I am not doing three through the door. Like I'm not like I'm too established to come with my characters in my box of wigs. And so it was some kind of in between. It was more like a camera test.
Starting point is 01:15:25 There was something where it was like, I in between. It was more like a camera test. Right. There was something where it was like, I'm not going to work too hard. I see. Yeah. Forever the Enneagram 8. The Challenger. Enneagram 8. What is that one?
Starting point is 01:15:33 The Challenger? Yes. What are you? Do you know you? Three. I'm three. I think I'm three. What is three again? The Achiever.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Oh, now that I know this is a thing, I'm going to become obsessed with it. Amy's obsessed with it. Oh, yeah. You need to take the test tonight. Okay. Oh, Amy's an eight. Amy's an eight. Is, yeah. You need to take the test tonight. Okay, I will. Oh, Amy's an eight. Amy's an eight.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Is it one through eight? It's one through nine. Nine, yeah. What's nine? I forget what nine is because I don't know a lot of nines. Nine sounds dangerous. What's it called?
Starting point is 01:15:53 Like your echo four? What is it called? Wing. Wing four. Wing four. I think I'm wing four and I forget what four is. Oh, this is exciting.
Starting point is 01:15:59 Yeah. Oh, this is going to take over your life. Do you ever dabble in astrology? I know I'm a Taurus. I don't believe so much in astrology because it's random but why which is and again I'm not the Enneagram stuff it's because I've been on tour with Amy
Starting point is 01:16:11 for the last 17 weekends so we're talking about a lot but I do put more stock in it because it's based on you answer a million questions and it's like based on you and what you think and how you react that's the word qualitative so with the you and Amy thing, would you consider yourselves opposites?
Starting point is 01:16:29 No, we're not opposites. Because it presents us that in the comedic duo, which I guess we've been talking about this a lot being this, but it's funny how you present that and are that. Our personas are opposites, right? Because it's more like I'm sort of tightly buttoned up and then she's more like little Boston dirtbag. But we're both actually pretty bossy but yeah I just to answer your question like when did I realize that we're
Starting point is 01:16:50 sort of more powerful together yeah I remember before like Jimmy I was doing an update with Jimmy and then he left and I was felt very abandoned because I was like he left like I he left we had a good thing going and And I did tests with other people and stuff. And then Lauren was doing that. And I think he was like, what do you think? Like leaving it sort of up to me. And there was a part of me that was like, oh, God, I think I'm supposed to want to do this by myself. Right.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Like that's the power move. But I was like, but I'm a sketch person. I'm not a stand up. You wanted a partner. Right. And at the very like last minute, I remember I was coming back. This is too much information. I was coming back from a train trip from Washington, D.C.
Starting point is 01:17:29 where I had weirdly and presciently taken a photograph for like the cover of I don't know what. Oh, is it the John McCain thing? With John McCain. Yeah. Like in 2000 whatever, but way before 2008. And I had to make the decision on the Amtrak ride back. Wow. And I called Amy and I was like, would you do me the great honor of being my wife?
Starting point is 01:17:48 And then it just worked from there. And I think by the time the Globes and the Hillary and Sarah, all of it all, it just was like, oh, people do like us together. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's the music to it that you're asking about. Yes. I mean, I just because it feels like, again, it feels like that thing that always was. But there had to be a time when it was decided like, oh, yeah, this feels really good.
Starting point is 01:18:09 And I think that's like, just feels like this synergistic thing that must have always been. Right. You know what I mean? I mean, it kind of has been for a long, like, maybe the credit goes to Sharna. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like, yeah. But like, in terms of you guys building out the structure for the show, for Restless Leg, like that is interesting to hear about because I feel like with Globes,
Starting point is 01:18:27 it was you guys looking at the established structure of like what an award show looks like and then being like, let's go out with mustaches
Starting point is 01:18:34 and be like nominees for dog president. A movie called Dog President. You know what I mean? Like, form breaking. Like, I was like,
Starting point is 01:18:40 I remember just watching, I was with my friends watching that first year of the Globes and just being like, oh my God, this is incredible. This was like, I remember just watching, I was with my friends watching that first year of the Globes and just being like, oh my God, this is incredible. This was also the joke structure they handed to you guys, which they don't do anymore, which as a woman who dot, dot, dot, I missed that. I wish they would do that because sometimes they would just like describe it in such a weird way
Starting point is 01:19:06 and they're on the actor like, and she has to like nod. As a total idiot. Total idiot who looks terrible until the end. Who looks terrible
Starting point is 01:19:13 even now. Julianne Moore. Matt Rogers, dog president. Yeah. I mean, the things I think we knew from like,
Starting point is 01:19:20 I felt that we brought producer brain to the table with the gloves. We were like, front load it. Yes. Don't come out. And I've watched other award to the table. We were like, front load it. Don't come out. And I've watched other award shows since where I've been like, oh, no, no, no, my darling.
Starting point is 01:19:31 At the end of the Oscars, don't come out at like 10.50 with a long ass bit. Everyone's tired. Everyone who's still in the room has lost. Get out of there. So front load it. Don't go too long. in the room has lost. Get out of there. So front load it. Don't go too long. Work the room.
Starting point is 01:19:48 And also literally just say who you are and remind people how they know you. I feel like we had just training from SNL of just watching a million monologues. That's the Lauren thing of like, okay, most times you're going to be in the cold open in a monologue. And before update, that's above the fold in terms of newspapers. It's common sense to us, but it's also things things that I guess like people don't think of all the time. And that's that's OK. But it's also like I feel like the biggest boon of working there is to like see a different version of let's just say like fame every week. And then to be like, oh, I can behaviorally adjust myself based on what I'm witnessing.
Starting point is 01:20:29 You know, which of these paths seems like a good path. And yeah, that sounds weird to say. So speaking of like the famous of it all, I wonder, like, you've probably met everyone at this point, but then you're in the Golden Globes room and it's literally like, is there anyone who throws you off? That is a great question. I have to say, after so much time at SNL and also just being 53, where you're just like, I don't care. Yeah, right. And you've seen so many waves of culture and you're like, guess who used to be a big deal and isn't anymore? Whoever you are, it will pass, right? And also having had to go make crazy phone calls and have crazy meetings and be like,
Starting point is 01:21:11 like, I've had to do things like, can you call Mariah Carey and ask her for the rights to, you know, this song? And once you've done like, I don't know if I can think of a person that I'd be like, you're such a big deal. Because even Oprah has been your colleague. I have met Oprah. Yeah. I mean, I'm one of the most iconic. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:21:29 But winning over Mariah is huge. Because you got her with Mean Girls and you have her for life. She loves Mean Girls. She loves Mean Girls. I know, and I love her. Wrote a whole song about it. One of her best songs. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:38 To our... I'm so obsessed with me. Do you like the new... Do you like the new... The Renee and Megan song? Love it. Love it. So I'm listening to it. Do you like it? Do you like it? I listen to it all the time. Do you like the new, do you like the new, the Renee and Megan side? Love it, love it. So, I'm listening to it.
Starting point is 01:21:45 Do you like it? I listen to it all the time. Do you like it? Renee is a real one. A real star. She's a real star. A real star. Love her.
Starting point is 01:21:53 She came on this podcast then. It's like, her voice in that movie. Were you at the Jimmy Awards when she won? I was at the Jimmy Awards. Do you know this? You were at the Jimmy Awards?
Starting point is 01:22:01 There. Me, Joel Kim Booster, Brandon Scott Jones. Cruising. You were cruising. We Awards? There. Me, Joel Kim Booster, Brandon Scott Jones, Matt Whitaker. You were cruising. We were cruising. Oh, no. We were there
Starting point is 01:22:11 and then Renee came out and then Laura Benanti was hosting the whole thing and being like, and just on stage, Laura Benanti saying like, if I had the confidence of that girl,
Starting point is 01:22:19 I would have no problems. And it was just, you could tell from that night. Yeah, she's a star. It was just. And the kid that won was Andrew Barthelman. Andrew Barthelman. The Jennifer was just, you could tell from that night. Yeah, she's a star. It was just. And the kid that won was Andrew Barthelman. Andrew Barthelman.
Starting point is 01:22:27 The Jennifer Lawrence movie, No Hard Feelings. Yes, and Evan Hansen, right? Evan Hansen. Yes, Evan Hansen. That was a big year for the Jims. Yeah, yeah. The Jimmys of the future.
Starting point is 01:22:36 100%. The other thing that I loved about Renee on SNL was her live vocal was right up front in that mix. Right up front. Right mix. Right up front. Right in the zone. Totally.
Starting point is 01:22:48 You could hear it was live. Aw. 100%. She was great vibes. And then at the after party she was like, I don't do like
Starting point is 01:22:55 big spaces. I was like, you're so cool. I know. Great Americans. Great Americans. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.
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Starting point is 01:24:51 from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability
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Starting point is 01:25:46 where we take one minute to rant and rave against something in culture and I'm gonna get a little specific and I apologize to you in advance oh no but I think you need to make some changes oh god
Starting point is 01:25:57 I know but don't be scared okay okay this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey about me I guess because time starts now I don't think so honey Bo and Yang
Starting point is 01:26:03 no deodorant in your dressing room oh get out because I think it's like a it's a staple right I don't need it I don't need a babe my thing is like I needed it and you remember that you have guests and some of them are going to be in that hot little stuffy dressing room
Starting point is 01:26:19 and I'm turning around and as I said before no not a deodorant in sight in my apartment. Only Axe, which I didn't find until this morning. I feel like, Bowen, we need to rethink and restock your dressing room with the essentials. Because there's a lot of fancy good whiskey
Starting point is 01:26:35 and no deodorants. No nothing that's going to actually get us to the end of the day, the end of the week. Because it was smelling in there and I apologize to you. But you had a lot of men in your dressing room last night and it stank by the end of the week. Oh. Because it was smelling in there and I apologize to you, but you had a lot of men in your dressing room last night. 15 seconds.
Starting point is 01:26:47 It stank by the end of it. And I'm telling you, I just couldn't believe you didn't have your little essentials. You do have a lot of good cologne. I do.
Starting point is 01:26:54 Which is better than Axe by seconds. Okay, but I'm just saying in terms of the sweat and the antiperspirant, you could be doing better. I don't think so. And that's one minute.
Starting point is 01:27:02 I had Tums available for our friend Dave because he had an upset stomach. Yeah. I have so many other. And that's one minute. I had Tums available for our friend Dave because he had an upset stomach. Yeah. I have so many other. This is the thing about working at SNL that I am never going to get over. You could have had the worst week professionally.
Starting point is 01:27:16 Not the worst week, but just a rough week at the show. It feels bad. And then you still have to host your friends and make sure they have ice and get drinks for them. I'm like, this is the thing that I don't love.
Starting point is 01:27:26 And then, like, your aunt and uncle are coming to take them to the party. And you're like, oh, it's a light show for me. I will say, I did check myself when, like, I think it was a couple years ago. Like, a few of us were in your dressing room just, like, having the time. And I think it was, like, a week where you were having a hard time. And you came and we were just like. What do you mean? Just because, like, you don't want to be like, what do you mean? Just because like,
Starting point is 01:27:45 you don't want to be like, woo, like, come on, get them up on our level when it's like, I am at work still. And I do respect that.
Starting point is 01:27:52 I'm sorry, I didn't have deodorant. I'll get, I just felt bad because I reeked. You needed to have a little basket like in a wedding reception ladies room with like mints, deodorant.
Starting point is 01:28:02 Oh yeah. I have brother's pastilles. I'm going to get mints and deodorant. He does have brother's pastilles. Does everyone know where you got the brother's pastilles? Yeah, deodorant. Oh, yeah. I have brother's pastilles. I'm going to get mints and deodorant. He does have brother's pastilles. Does everyone know where you got the brother's pastilles? Yeah, and tampons. Yeah, and tampons.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Cynthia Erivo gave me brother's pastilles. Cynthia Erivo gave him the best singer lozenge in the world. Yeah, it's great. Ayo Devery, also big brother's pastilles. Big brother's pastilles, yeah. Yeah, she had them at Taylor Reade. Well, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:28:22 I will do my best to... No, I'm kidding. I just didn't want to smell so bad. That's okay. And also, I'm being a little like do my best to. No, I'm kidding. I just didn't want to smell so bad. That's okay. And also, I'm being a little like, I'm erring on the side of caution. I don't think so, honey, because I got absolutely dragged
Starting point is 01:28:31 for the one I did last week, which was people should not be riding Taylor Swift so hard for the private jet usage. Oh, yeah. Because you don't want her to ride commercial. I saw that, and you're like,
Starting point is 01:28:39 what is she going to fly? Is she going to be in the Delta lounge? In the Delta lounge. Yeah. I was teasing everyone, and the girls absolutely dragged me. Because I'm harmful. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:28:50 I'm harmful. You're the real problem. I'm the real problem. Apologize to everyone. I've got one. Okay, Bo Nyang. I might be biting my hand. Oh, baby.
Starting point is 01:28:59 We'll see. This is Bo Nyang's I Don't Think So Honey. Time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, my co-host doing ads for The Tiger's Apprentice, now streaming on Paramount+, and naming off the cast list, Henry Golding, Greta Lee, Sandra Oh, Michelle Yeoh,
Starting point is 01:29:12 but no mention of Bowen Yang. I didn't. I normally don't mind. Okay. But I, it's my own podcast. I'm giving Paramount a platform. I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times. I went to go see Mean Girls the musical in 2024. I'm a supporterount a platform. I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times. I went to go see Mean Girls the musical in 2024.
Starting point is 01:29:27 I'm a supporter of Paramount, of CBS, of Viacom. I've had many wonderful experiences working with Viacom, CBS. And I can't even get a damn mention in the ads and the promo material for this movie that I had a great time doing. I play Sidney the rat. It's a movie where the 12 animals of the Chinese Zodiac team up to fight an evil in San Francisco.
Starting point is 01:29:50 Michelle Yeoh plays the villain. A mutual co-worker with our guest, Tina. But Paramount, please put me in the damn credits. And that's one minute. I personally like to apologize for not improvising in the ad that you were in. But I don't think, but deadass, you did not know that I was in that movie. No, deadass, I do know that you're in the movie, but you know what it personally like to apologize for not improvising in the ad that you were in. But deadass, you did not know that I was in that movie.
Starting point is 01:30:08 No, deadass, I do know that you're in the movie, but you know what it's like to do ads, and this is sort of a peek behind the curtain. It usually happens at the end of a podcast when you just want to leave. Until you're like, coming soon to Paramount Plus. It's going to be everyone but Bowen. Alright, see you later, everybody. I apologize. I didn't go to the mat for you. When I Love That For You came out and we were doing
Starting point is 01:30:23 I Love That For You, I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that. I just want to say, when I love that for you came out and we were doing answer, I love that for you. I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that. I just expected better from you. I expected better from you is one of the hardest, harshest things to get. Can you imagine if Amy said that to you? If your best friend and company partner said, I expected better from you on the air. Oh my gosh. That's rough. No, I expect better from myself. I'm sorry. sorry and from now on I will always say your name I'll sneak
Starting point is 01:30:50 your name into projects you're not even in thank you and then maybe just like and you have deodorant for me let's have each other's backs more in the future because this is a magic here and there's a music there's a music I've always known it that's an equivalent exchange you're the Tina and Amy of your generation you know what what? Don't. Don't. Should we host the Globes? By the way, yes, you should host the Globes together. That room is going to be like, who the
Starting point is 01:31:13 fuck are those guys? No, no. Two Joe Coys. They'll be like, who? No. They're like, who is that guy? They would be like, it's Joel Kimbooster. Yeah, yeah. Because that keeps happening to you guys. And Zachary Quinto. I said to Bowen, I was like, they would be like, it's Joel Kim Booster. Yeah, yeah. Because that keeps happening to you guys. And they'll be like that. And Zachary Quinto.
Starting point is 01:31:27 Zachary Quinto. No, but you really should do it because together is so much more fun. I would love to do it with someone, with you. I'm throwing our name in there.
Starting point is 01:31:36 I was like, yeah, we're going to do it. And Bowen was like, no, not the Globes. And I was like, well, I think they're back. I think now we know they're back. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:31:42 Yeah, they're back. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for this? I think so. Okay, so I will say I was like I was kind of sweating this because I, you know, again, 53 I have nothing but opinions, right?
Starting point is 01:31:53 I have violent opinions about everything, but I'm also constantly afraid of getting in trouble. Do you want to audition some? No, I think I'm in an okay area now, but also like I do have backups if we do it and you'd be like, no, do a different one. If we're like, no, you'll get crucified for that. But I was thinking about my own fear of crucifixion.
Starting point is 01:32:11 And it led me to my choice of topic. Okay, here we go. Okay, and I may look at my phone because I'm old. You have to. This is Tina Fey's I Don't Think So, Honey. Time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. Bowen Yang giving his real opinions about movies on this podcast.
Starting point is 01:32:26 I regret to inform you that you are too famous now, sir. What's going to happen? You having a problem with salt burn? Quiet luxury. Keep it to yourself because what are you going to do when Emerald Fennell calls you about her next project where you play Carrie Mulligan's co-worker in the bridal section of Harrods and then act three takes a sexually violent turn
Starting point is 01:32:50 and you have to pretend to be surprised by that turn. You have to have a clean paper trail, nothing negative. Everything everyone does is amazing, okay? You hang out with Ariana and Spongebob. Now that is your life. Okay. And Matt Rogers, I can tell you, you got about one year left. And then you, yes. Learn from my
Starting point is 01:33:12 mistakes. Learn from IO. Podcasts are forever. Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so, honey. That's what it is. That's an all-timer. And you know, they're starting to come for us the people that listen to this
Starting point is 01:33:27 and like they don't say their real opinions and it's like yeah I don't think that anyone needs that but sometimes it gets hard it gets harder
Starting point is 01:33:35 I know I bet it does and then they're also digging through our stuff and being like well there was a period when they didn't like Taylor Swift yeah there was actually a period where they didn't like them
Starting point is 01:33:41 so to hear them be so sycophantic now is really crazy they call us bootlickers. I'm like, you guys, it's a walk doing this. And it's a dangerous dance. Yes. And it's impossible.
Starting point is 01:33:53 It's really crazy because the fact is we do have strong opinions about almost everything. And that's what people want. Want and why it's authentic. But also. What do I do when Emerald calls? What are you going to do when? Yeah. But I personally
Starting point is 01:34:06 and I cannot expect this of everyone if someone's not a fan of one thing that I've done if someone was like I didn't love Fire Island I'll be like
Starting point is 01:34:15 no problem I'll still be in a sketch with you I'll still like take a meet you know what I mean yeah but if Emerald Fennell if I'll still take a meeting
Starting point is 01:34:23 if Emerald Fennell had gotten on a podcast and absolutely destroyed Fire Island and said, this is bad, I didn't get the performances, and Emerald Fennell said the words, I don't think Bowen Yang has ever pulled it off, you would feel crazy. I would feel crazy, but I'd be like, that's not, I was like, no problem. But she's entitled, that Emerald. I forgot my one note that I didn't get to as the bottom was going to be,
Starting point is 01:34:42 I don't, listen, I don't expect you to stand with Dave Chappelle at good night. I'm not a monster. I'm not crazy, but I do need you to hug Mark Cuban like he is your long lost father. Like Jimmy did.
Starting point is 01:34:52 And also, why did Jimmy do that? Why was Jimmy hugging Mark Cuban like they won the Super Bowl together? Jimmy was so happy. I know,
Starting point is 01:34:59 but Jimmy was so nice and he sent me milk bar cookies. Well, that's why Jimmy's the best because he's capable of joy. Oh my God. No,
Starting point is 01:35:04 and we need that. And I was, by the way, people are like reading me for like in the very good talk show sketch, like looking agitated. And I was like, no, I was like playing in the sketch and being like, oh, there's the guests are supposed to be like a little perplexed. I was like, you guys. But that was fantastic. Honestly, this is a genuine question.
Starting point is 01:35:22 How would you do this podcast? You know what I mean? Like, if you're us, how would you continue to do this podcast, which started in 2016 when we thought there's no way anyone will ever listen to it even once. And we sort of established this thing of like, we see things, we talk about it, we're honest, we have our little fun with things in the pop culture. And then all of a sudden, that does become hard because someone who might be a dear sister to you might be not of a board. Right. I mean, I do think you guys are thoughtful and gentle. And if you say you don't like something, it's not just to be jerks.
Starting point is 01:35:52 Sure. Obviously, we're very thoughtful about those movies. But it does become a thing where it's like, oh, do you want to be people who keep it real and have their podcast forever? Or do you want to be goddamn movie stars? Oh, my God. What if it's the former? Then I think we're doing amazing. Then you're doing amazing. or do you want to be goddamn movie stars? Oh my God. What if it's the former? Then go, then,
Starting point is 01:36:06 then I think we're doing amazing. Then you're doing amazing. But like my, like my, my trail of mistakes lives behind me like fucking Jacob Marley's train.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Like just chains of shame. Like I, from like, oh, I'll just use this real name from my high school in New York. Like,
Starting point is 01:36:21 and then hit this person like that wasn't even, it just like, I like their name like it's nothing to do with them yes and then I'm like that's a level of shame
Starting point is 01:36:30 and you hear they're now going impatient because of what you've done I mean god forbid and then like just and then like update jokes that you're like
Starting point is 01:36:37 I'll do it I don't care and then you're like oh right and then yeah like so many kinds of of these mistakes that you're like
Starting point is 01:36:44 why did I right especially the thing with the IO thing it's like so many kinds of these mistakes that you're like, why did I? Right. What? Especially the thing with the Ayo thing. It's like, so someone like J-Lo is so famous and has been so famous for such a long time that literally everyone in the world has said something probably incredibly positive and negative about her just because that's like a colloquialism almost. And so for her to get dragged so much for this,
Starting point is 01:37:06 not only do I think it's like uncool, but I'm like, guys, this is not a Pandora's box you want to open of let's dig up everything everyone said on the internet. No kidding. It will be an apocalypse. That sketch was like, why did you say it? That was funny too. That was great.
Starting point is 01:37:17 They threw that line in after Friday, after that news broke. It was just fortuitous or the opposite in terms of like, it's Ayo and J-Lo being on the same bill for SNL.
Starting point is 01:37:29 Like, that's the only reason they got together. Yeah, that's like, even that is just like, guys, it's just, I don't think anyone's going to stand by every single thing
Starting point is 01:37:36 they've ever said. And it is tough. And then when a lot of people do start listening, there is a weird rub. And so like, honestly, that I don't think so, honey, comes at a really interesting time
Starting point is 01:37:44 because I'm thinking about it a lot. Yeah yeah I catch it all the time and like I honestly also sometimes I only ever think don't take my opinion seriously I'm like a dummy with a podcast like I'm just trying to have fun with this but people do take it very seriously that's not up to you and that's not up to me and also like however and I've never heard I've literally never heard from like an artist or anyone that's done anything out there and said what you said on your podcast really hurt me but like I don't know if I were to hear that
Starting point is 01:38:11 I would definitely certainly feel bad like I don't want anyone to feel anything but good after having listened to it but it is a thing yeah that was a good impartment you've imparted on us it's been so long since we've been imparted on open a window, we imparted in here
Starting point is 01:38:29 oh yeah to be imparted in this way we needed it this was just a joy and a half what a delight to talk to you I enjoy the podcast so much thank you for even saying that truly, this was wish fulfillment
Starting point is 01:38:45 for us to say the least to even have you here and even know who the hell you are so this was absolute pleasure oh my gosh we love you
Starting point is 01:38:52 we love you a lot and oh by the way get tickets to the show is it all sold out the Beacon might be sold out we have some we still have a show coming in like Seattle
Starting point is 01:39:01 thank you for knowing that in Portland there might still be tickets because we have to go back because the city froze and we had to cancel the show. But everyone who was mad on Twitter, if you couldn't get to the show
Starting point is 01:39:11 that still happened, you can, I think you can get tickets. Like we're not, we're doing the right thing. So everyone calm down. Calm down, we're doing the right thing.
Starting point is 01:39:20 It's really good for number eight. Calm down, we're doing the right thing. That's just generally applicable. And then let me see, what else should I be professional about? Oh, yeah, Girls 5 Ever. Meredith Scardino's amazing show.
Starting point is 01:39:30 Oh, it's so good. All three seasons come to Netflix, so you can see Bowen Yang. You can see so many wonderful people. I believe March 14th. I hope I'm right about that. March 14th. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:40 One of our dearest friends, Matt Whitaker. Oh, the best. I love Matt Whitaker. I still text with him sometimes. He's a big, we saw Appropriate the other night on Broadway together. He's a great theater going friend. Yes, he is great. Yes.
Starting point is 01:39:52 He sees everything. He sees it all. And then Mean Girls 2024. Mean Girls 2024. My mom and aunt saw it the other night and their review was this. We loved it. You know, it was different because it was a musical. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:05 And I said that it was. Yeah, that was one because it was a musical. Yeah. And I said, that it was. Yeah, that was one of the ones that I was like, oh, I can't do this and I'll get trolled. I wanted to be like, I don't think so, honey.
Starting point is 01:40:11 Little Broadway cunts on TikTok complaining about two lines of Revenge Party when I bring you fucking Rene Rapp. I bring you Ali Iqravalo,
Starting point is 01:40:21 Jaquel Spivey. This is why we can't have nice things. Avantika? Avantika. Avantika. She showed up to can't have nice things. How do I say Avantika? Avantika. Avantika. She showed up to the after party yesterday.
Starting point is 01:40:28 I was like, she did? I was like, that's fucking, that's her. Yeah, when the real, the original movie came out, she wasn't born. No, this is, see, and I wonder
Starting point is 01:40:36 if that's going to happen is like now we're going to start watching it and it's going to look like in terms of fashion, like really dated. And I'm going to be like, oh my God, no,
Starting point is 01:40:43 it's becoming the clueless of it all. Where you watch Clueless now and you're like, oh, can you imagine why wearing that? It's going to be like oh my god no it's becoming the clueless of it all where you watch Clueless now and you're like oh can you imagine why wearing that it's going to be like that so soon no no but for me
Starting point is 01:40:50 like the fashions of those movies are like Frozen and Amber you know what I mean it's like it's so because they're all back now if you walk out the room
Starting point is 01:40:55 looking like Sharon Dion you'll get the coolest bitch at the party it's not even the loop back around it's just like that just kind of looks cool in the
Starting point is 01:41:01 world of the movie anyway okay we end every episode with a song it's not my fault you can't have a single date with me it's not my fault just kind of looks cool in the world of the movie. Anyway. Okay, we end every episode with a song. It's not my fault. You can't have it. Sing only with me.
Starting point is 01:41:09 It's not my fault. Now, who wouldn't want to fall in love with me? I haven't moved. Are you off book? No, I don't know. Okay, well, you should be off book. You should be off book. Readers.
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