Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Great Americans" (w/ Tina Fey)
Episode Date: February 7, 2024Do us and the world a favor. Go to your window and shout out "TINA FEY is on Las Culturistas!" Because it's true and everyone should know! Wish fulfillment is defined this week as Matt and Bowen welco...me Great American Tina Fey to discuss Countess Luann fandom, Molly Ringwald's career as a transcriber of French novels, starting out at SNL in the tough-as-hell 90's, watching Benny Hill as a family, the beginning of MTV, Blockbuster culture, and the era of soda, hoagies and no fitness. All this, Disney v. Universal, SJP's 90's film work, Rachel McAdams's impact as Regina George, how Mean Girls was written on Fire Island, what makes the best SNL hosts and the joys and dangers of hosting the Golden Globes. Also, discovering the Tina and Amy magic and bringing that to the road on their Restless Leg Tour (go see it!!!), Reneé Rapp and how the Jimmy Awards are the future, deodorant culture, and a very prescient IDTSH from Tina that ranks as an all-timer. How many mozzarella sticks is enough for you? Something to think about. TINA! This bonus episode is available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Look,
man.
Oh,
I see.
Wow.
Look over there.
Wow.
Is that culture?
Yes.
Las culturistas.
Ding dong. Las cultulturistas. Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling.
Back in tactile position.
Talk to us about the mozzarella stick numbers that you were working with.
So I don't know why this was the answer to how I should end my night.
But I get home.
It's 3.30 in the morning.
I get stoned and order mozzarella sticks.
Bad.
Because I know I have to wake up at, let's say, 10
to sort of mentally prepare and, you know,
cleanse myself, really physically prepare
for the podcast today.
And last night, I'm ordering my mozzarella sticks,
and I see it says six mozzarella sticks,
and in my mind, that's not enough.
And then this morning, when everything sort of settles,
you think, you didn't need one. That's
the devil's math with
mozzarella sticks. But I feel like six feels
like nothing, right? I think six is more
than enough. When I order mozzarella
sticks, this is the last time I ordered mozzarella sticks was
at Alma Drafthouse. What?
Watching The Boy and the Heron.
And I had to leave in the middle
because of work call. Of a work
call? Is that what you call violent shit?
It was not.
What?
Because I know you.
The second we both went in here today,
we both ran to the bathroom and I know what that was.
For me, it was a mozzarella stick situation.
It was a work call.
Okay.
This is all to say I got six and I only finished four.
That's a huge brag and an insult to me.
No.
It was ravenous last night for them.
But last night was very celebratory. It really was.
It's very nice. Ayo did great. What an
unbelievable performance she had.
Very, very fun. I mean, I think about
between 12 and 15 people
said this, and it just kind of kept getting kicked around.
But this is like the bell house. This is like
the bell house. But it really was. It felt like
a celebration. It was very nice. We made
it. Proud of her. Now,
what was your review of the
Countess Cabaret? I'm still,
I still have the shakes. Not because
necessarily because of the talent, but she
was great. The Countess Luanne as 54 Below
was, she certainly has star quality.
But there's something that
happens where she steps on stage and sort of
everyone looks at each other and you go,
we're getting blacked out. We're all
drinking so much tonight.
I asked you, was it like going to the Disney
World character breakfast?
It was not unlike that. It was like seeing
Goofy come out while you're eating
a Mickey-shaped pancake. Well, let's
say Minnie Mouse. Let's be kind. Minnie.
Let's not say Goofy comes out.
Okay, okay, okay.
Oh, no, no, no.
Keep that in.
He's going to want you to take that out. That's not what I was saying.
Lou, if you're watching, if you're listening.
You're just saying Lou had the impact of Goofy.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not anything to do with it.
The air gets sucked out.
Right, 100%.
Like when Goofy walks in the room,
it's like Nicole Kidman in the Chanel No. 5 commercial by Baz Luhrmann.
It's just like that.
You know the commercial I'm talking about.
I think so.
Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here.
Tell me what it is. Okay. Go. You know what commercial I'm talking about. I think so. Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here and tell me what it is.
Okay.
Go.
You know what this is.
Byredo.
No, it's Axe.
Oh.
So I have, yesterday I said to Bowen, I'm like, I have no deodorant in New York.
I don't know what happened.
My New York apartment has no deodorant.
I can't get it anywhere.
And my mother was like, I want to get you something for Christmas.
I said, don't.
I don't want anything.
She goes, okay, I'll get you a bunch of little small things.
10 Axe deodorants,
which is both a trigger to like high school locker room
and also quite out of fashion.
That is like the timeless,
enduring thing about suburban life
is that you're never more than a half a mile away from Axe.
From an Axe body spray,
especially from Long Island. That's like a big culture. No from an ax body spray, especially from Long Island.
That's like a big culture.
No ax body spray.
Yes.
And so I do.
I am walking around and it's sort of like a little bit of heaven, a little bit of hell.
I am a little triggered, but also it's horny.
It's horny.
Well, that's why I wanted you to smell me to get you horned up for the episode.
Speaking of getting horned up.
Speaking of horny.
Speaking of horny.
I think everyone's horny. Speaking of horny,
I think everyone's horny for,
well, first of all,
Restless Leg Tour.
We're talking 11 days at the Beacon?
11 days at the Beacon? 11 nights at the Beacon.
Well, I mean, yeah.
My surprise.
I'm like, well, of course.
Well, of course.
And it's the Beacon.
And if you're in New York,
I think they're all sold out,
but kind of elbow your way in.
Are you going to sign the wall?
I hope so.
Yes.
Yes.
And I mean, obviously,
if you guys want to come.
Oh.
When is it?
It's the 7th through the 19th.
Thank you for doing the math real quick.
I did the math.
And 18th.
Okay, wait.
Now we have to officially bring her in
because that can't be the entrance. Hold on, hold on. That was so weak. No,. Okay, wait. Now we have to officially bring her in because that can't be the entrance.
Hold on, hold on.
That was so weak.
No, no, not weak.
Girls 5.5 is coming back on Netflix.
Okay, thank fucking God
because I had been wondering about that.
Oh, yeah.
It's coming.
Oh.
March is going to be a big month
for humanity.
And Mean Girls the musical, of course,
the movie.
Oh, we're not calling it the musical.
No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024. We're calling it Mean Girls 2024. Which I texted you about it. I said 10 times. I said it's called Mean Girls the musical, of course, the movie. Oh, we're not calling it the musical. No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024.
We're calling it Mean Girls 2024.
Which I texted you about it.
I said 10 times.
I said it's called Mean Girls 2024.
Mean Girls, eighth note in the negative space where the A is.
Do you know what's funny?
This person created and started our favorite movie and our favorite show.
Yeah.
And I'm not even talking about Saturday Night Live,
which also is in the top two of favorite shows on the 30 Rock.
Oh, for sure.
Can you imagine? Just go back in time and tell us in 2016 when we started this talking about Saturday Night Live, which also is in the top two of favorite shows on The 30 Rock. Oh, for sure.
Can you imagine, just go back in time and tell us in 2016 when we started this
that Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast?
So Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast.
And you know what I thought in the shower this morning?
What did you think in the shower?
Where you do your best thinking.
This is where I thought worldwide pants
took down all of the Tina Fey on Letterman interviews
and those were my fucking comfort watches in college.
Seth told you, though,
that you could find it somewhere else.
I think Seth lied.
Liar.
Why'd they take them down?
I think Letterman wants to protect his content.
I don't know.
Oh, I see.
I can't possibly begin to understand.
And then also, I mean, so many things.
You love her.
You really love this person so much, don't you?
I'm talking to you, the story.
The royal you.
The royal you.
Everyone welcome.
Tina Fey! Hello, gentlemen. Hello'm talking to you, the story. The royal you. The royal you. Everyone welcome. Tina Fey!
Hello, gentlemen.
Hello.
And they applauded the crew.
Wow!
By the way,
this episode is directed
by Christopher Nolan.
It's Oppenheimer the film.
It's crazy.
A lady needs a lot of lights.
And the gentlemen
need a lot of lights.
The gentlemen need a lot of lights.
Blow out the Countess Lou
from my face.
Please.
Are you familiar
with the Countess Lou?
Yes.
That is the original sort of Real Housewives New York era.
Yeah.
That was my era.
I once chased Countess Luanne down the street on the Upper West Side because I was so, I was like, she's on the Upper West Side.
Yeah, that's major.
I chased her in front of that restaurant West that used to be there.
And I was like, I were, and I basically was like,
I was like, Countess, and I was like, I work at NBC too.
I'm a Universal
girl. We also work for Universal.
We brushed elbows at the up front.
So wait, when
you were watching Roni,
like, were you sort of
like, I'm Bethany, like, I'm like
with her? Well, first of all, no, I'm not Bethany.
No way, no way. Thank you. No.
I used to watch, the season one, I used to really love,any. No way. No way. Thank you. No, I used to watch the season one.
I used to really love like season one.
You guys were probably in middle school because it was before nobody was aware.
No one was like working the camera yet.
Nobody was.
And it was just really I just wanted to see people's apartments.
I get it.
I wanted to see their apartments and make judgments.
And I didn't need them to be fighting about stuff.
No, no.
I just wanted.
And so who was it was. Oh, you know who I was obsessed with them to be fighting about stuff. No. No. I just wanted, and so who was it was,
oh, you know who I was obsessed with
at that time was Alex.
McCord.
Yeah.
Oh, bless.
That was essentially,
had the show gone
in a different direction,
which was we just watched
these people live their crazy lives
and it wasn't like as conflicted
and she would have been the show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Totally.
But I think because
people gravitated towards,
you know,
fighting.
That's so funny though
because I think Architectural Digest home tours have like scratched the itch or like taken over that little fascination we have of like people's homes.
And like that's fully been supplanted.
Right.
And Zillow.
Just be like, just go on Zillow and look in apartments.
A hundred percent.
But remember when she was redoing her Brooklyn townhouse and Jill Zarin came over and she's like, we're restoring this banister.
And she was like,
honey, you don't have to save everything.
That's not a good banister.
And Jill Zarin,
oh my God,
she was incredible.
Yeah, who else was in that original?
Ramona.
Ramona.
I just recently picked,
for some reason this was on,
it was the fashion show episode
where Ramona walked with those crazy eyes
and Jill is just dragging and
just like killing it in the front row. Yeah. Comedically. Comedically. Totally. She was
really on fire. Yeah. They kind of by like their second season. So this was not the phenomenon back
then either, but it wasn't this thing where like they saw themselves for the first time on TV and
then they got the work done. Yeah. Just like facially. Which happens to everyone. I mean, you
see yourself on TV and you go, oh no.
Oh yeah, breakdown. Oh no, what are we gonna
do about this? You're like, that's my face all
the time. Yeah. People see my face as
that? Yeah. Speaking of Universal,
do you have any thoughts about
this Epic Universe announcement? Yeah,
because we know you're a Disney gay like us.
Well, listen, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah.
My instinct, my gut instinct is, oh honey honey, it's SNL, Mad TV.
Uh-huh.
You think so?
The tastemaker at the core.
You're right.
Defines the thing, right?
And so Walt Disney is Lauren.
But I'll go.
Yeah, you're going to be there.
But I'll go.
And we all love, we like Mad TV.
And there are amazing things at Mad TV and amazing, hilarious people came out of Mad TV.
But there just wasn't that unifying core taste.
Yeah, totally.
Well, what if I told you this?
So one of the announcements they said was that there's going to be a Frankenstein ride
and the star of the pre-show is Victoria Frankenstein, the great granddaughter of Dr. Victor Frankenstein.
But is that the Diablo Cody movie that's coming?
That's Lisa.
I conflated those last week. Okay. I am daughter of Dr. Victor Frankenstein. But is that the Diablo Cody movie that's coming? That's Lisa. That's Lisa. I confused those.
I conflated those last week.
Okay.
A lot of girl boss Frankenstein's happening right now in the culture.
We have to differentiate.
Universal's trying to use that.
I'm just saying.
The Universal Monsters catalog in fun ways.
And I'm enjoying that.
Yeah.
If you went in there and said, I'll play Dr. Victoria Frankenstein, you, first of all,
you'd book immediately.
Like 17 shows a week.
17 nine minute shows a week. 17 nine-minute shows
a week. Performing every day.
You wouldn't even do the pre-show?
Would I do a cue? The cue, that's what we mean.
The cue. A cue, I mean, listen,
in my heart of hearts, am I holding out for a
Disney cue? Of course.
Did I, at one point, try to
volunteer me and Amy
Poehler to do Sarah Palin and
Hillary Clinton for the Hall of Presidents and they were like
we're good. Oh my god. Well I only
volunteered it to my friend who's like the guy
that I didn't call. Yeah yeah yeah.
To Sam. Sam!
To be incredible. Sam is a huge part of our life now too.
Oh my god that makes me so happy.
We went there. He loves you.
I love him. I know you can tell it's a special relationship.
It really is. The Disney relationship is a
special relationship and that's actually real culture number 88.
The Disney relationship is a special relationship.
God bless Sam because Sam took us on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind no less than seven times.
Which is not medically advisable.
No.
Have you done it?
Yes.
It's beautiful.
But I'm in age where I can do it once.
Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside Guardians of the Galaxy.
Oh, 100%.
And just for clarity, that is vomit. Once. Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside. Oh, 100%.
And just for clarity, that is vomit.
Well, I've become that girl that's like,
when the part of the ride that makes people nauseous comes up,
I'm like, keep looking at the planet.
Keep looking at the planet.
Don't look to the side.
You're going to fuck yourself up.
And people don't really listen.
You have your strategies.
Yeah, I have my strategies.
Well, I knew this about all of us that we shared this.
And that's why I bring it up.
And that's why,
now correct me if I'm wrong,
you've been on the
Avatar Flight of Passage ride.
Of course, yes.
Don't you think that should be
him in the pre-show?
A hundred percent.
Just explaining
what the banshees are.
You have the scientific gravitas
to carry that pre-show through.
I don't want us to fully
raise a middle finger
to that guy, though.
It's not about him.
This is about you.
This is about what's best for you
to be in that pre-show.
He did fine.
The guy that cute
and I don't know
if this is a true story
or a story
that I made up for myself.
Either way.
But I feel like
someone else
was supposed to shoot that
and then
and something went wrong
and they were like
you have to do it.
You made that up.
Yeah, I think you made that up.
Here's who'll know.
Sam.
Oh!
100%. Isn't it great to have a resource that up. Here's who'll know. Sam. Oh, 100%.
Isn't it great to have a resource?
Yes.
The Disney relationship is a special relationship.
You go to that person for information like this.
Can I tell you a deep Disney nerdery thing?
100%.
If it interests you, I could try to get you in on this.
Let's do it.
Okay, so have you ever done a voice at Pixar?
A voice at Pixar?
No.
That's an oversight.
That needs to happen.
Okay, good.
Sure.
Okay.
Famously, you have.
I got lucky enough to do one.
But so the guy, Pete Docter, who runs Pixar, super nice guy, legend, the kindest, loveliest man.
And he invited me in on this super nerdy thing that sometimes they do where they have, I guess they used to do it in person during the pandemic they were doing it over zoom where they just have literally like someone found
a case of like weird b-roll building the park footage and they just play it like they haven't
seen it and it's just like from like 1971 we're building the haunted mansion and it's just like
raw footage of nothing but like guys working and then there's experts on who like they're all these
imagineers who are talking about
what it is
and then they just drink
really
and it's amazing
and because it happens
on the west coast
yeah
if you're watching it
east coast
it's like
it's like two in the morning
and you put your laptop
in your bed
wow
but it's so cool
that was my dream
like until I found out
it was mostly science
and math
and you had to actually
there's a lot of engineering
there's a lot of engineering
otherwise the people fly off.
Exactly.
100%.
We need to reconnect with Sam.
Sam was lovely.
Sam was really lovely.
Sam is a tour guide at Disney
who is an icon and a legend.
This is a big shout out to him.
He's a great American.
He's a great American.
He said he was coming to see you and Amy.
He came to D.C.
He came the first weekend.. To D.C.
He came the first weekend.
How have the shows been?
What's that like?
The shows are so fun.
I do hope you'll come to the Beacon.
I want to come.
Yeah, please come.
Bowen's like, I'm going to stay quiet.
I'm coming.
We have the best time.
It's the two of us.
We take you on a little journey if we can.
And we usually always have like
one special friend
show up
and we go to
these cities
people are so lovely
to come see us
and then we stay
at a nice hotel
and I've said this before
but it is like
we get up
like the other night
I really did text Amy
before a show
and I was like
right before we went out
she was on the other side
of the stage
and she was like
I'm getting excited
about going to sleep
because we do
like we have so much like I'm getting excited about going to sleep. Because we do,
like,
we have so much fun.
Like,
I'm also learning,
like,
I love the part where we do the show
and I was like,
I guess some people go on tour
because they want to party
after the show
or whatever
or they want to hook up.
And I was like,
I like the part
where we do the show
and sometimes
if we have a new thing
and it works,
I'm like,
that works.
And then I go home
and I wash my face
and I like stand in silence facing a wall. Like, I'm like a that works. And then I go home and I wash my face and I like stand in silence facing a wall.
I'm like a little robot.
Yeah, you leave, like you let yourself like charge.
And I'm like satisfied.
But I think this is just a function of like time.
And I will say for Matt and I, it's exceptional if we go out after the show.
I mean, even yesterday, like we were in Bowen's dressing room, like, and Bowen comes in.
He's like, all right, so the after party, and we all were like, at the same time, like, we don't know.
We don't know.
It might be a quick drink.
They were hungover from Luann.
So hungover from Luann.
I had a 19-hour day.
But you guys look good.
That's the difference.
You still look really good.
I put on concealer because the camera's today.
You put on concealer today?
Because the camera's because I'm inches away from people.
I love it.
If I knew how to do my own concealer,
I would do it.
Is it as simple as dot,
dot,
dot?
Kind of.
I don't know.
I tried,
I tried to do my makeup today and I probably will see this and be like,
Oh,
it was like coming from a matinee of playing Mrs.
Love it.
I'm always trying to use,
you did.
I didn't get to,
my husband went,
I didn't get to see,
I was touring.
I tried to use that rare beauty blush, which is great husband went. I didn't get to. I was touring. Right.
I try to use that Rare Beauty blush,
which is great,
but it's so pigmented
that then I do it
and I'm like,
I'm either looking great
or Baby Jane.
Or just love it.
It's Baby Jane.
It's totally Baby Jane.
It's Betty.
Have you been,
have you checked in
on the new feud?
I haven't watched it yet,
but I think I will.
I don't watch every part
of the Murphyverse, but that one, I'm like, you might get me. I do feel, I was like, watch every part of the Murphyverse.
But that one, I'm like, you might get me.
I do feel I was like, okay, the PR is over time.
Because there's so many articles now about it.
I was like, are we, this is really what we're, this is top of mind in every paper.
But it does seem interesting.
It is a lot of fun to watch just because of the, like, atmosphere of it all.
I will say the entire story of it is just, well, you know, Truman Capote befriended these
women and then he wrote an article and they never spoke to him again.
And that's literally it.
So I'm kind of interested to see how it's going to be a whole limited series because
even in the first episode, you get it.
Like they're not talking to him anymore.
Right.
But then I'm thinking like maybe every episode will be like a bottle-ish episode and be getting
more into the specifics of who these women were, which is going to be great.
I need more Callista,
though, at this moment.
I got three different
line reads of Demi Moore
calling Tom Hollander
a faggot.
A venomous faggot.
Yeah, she with her whole chest
gets to say a slur
and it's really fun
to watch her just let it rip.
They really let Demi
go for it.
Yeah.
And she goes for it.
Yes, yeah.
And I loved it.
Well, I do think that is,
you know,
that he is giving
these actresses, like, he's making people's phones
ring who maybe their phone wasn't ringing
that much. Molly Ringwald's. Yeah. Like, her
phone rang off the hook for this. And you know
what Molly Ringwald has been doing in the meantime? Translating
French books. Translating French
books. Yes, yes. Lie with me.
It's a really sad gay French novel.
What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's really smart.
I believe that. No, she's incredible. Yeah. She's a very, she's a great American. gay French novel. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's really smart. She's very good. I believe that.
No, she's incredible.
Yeah.
She's a very, she's a great American.
Well, one of my obsessions at this moment is Chloe Sevigny, now that this has all been happening. Yes.
And apparently Chloe simply broke down on the day where she had to shoot with Molly Ringwald because that was how much she meant to her.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Ah, that's cool.
Uh-huh.
Oh, that's so sweet.
And Chloe, who's like the coolest, like you would imagine is like very unbothered about the whole thing. Yeah. I didn't know that. Uh-huh. Oh, that's so sweet. And Chloe, who's like the coolest,
like you would imagine
is like very unbothered
about the whole thing.
Yep.
Actually,
in interviews,
like I watched her on Jimmy
the other night
and she's very like,
like y'all.
Like y'all?
She's like everybody.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's like,
I cry, I break down
to Molly Ringwald
just like you,
me, and everyone else.
Yeah.
That's the shared,
I guess,
American experience.
Yes.
I'm kind of tying this back to a national sort of narrative.
Well, she also was like, they did this thing because like, you know,
she's obviously a fashion icon, Chloe.
And they were like looking back at all of her like iconic looks
because she was like that fashion girl.
She really was, yeah.
She had nothing nice to say about anything she ever wore.
She's like, oh, this, no, this, no, this, no.
And I was like, maybe that's what makes her such an icon.
She also needs to keep looking.
She didn't just find a uniform and stick with it.
She was like, never satisfied.
Never.
Have we found our uniforms?
This is your uniform.
Sure.
Okay.
This is a cream collared, long sleeved collar.
You're good at like a strong basic.
Is it a knit?
Is it a sweat?
Is it a,
it's a sweat.
It's a,
it's like a,
it's a sweatshirt.
Yeah,
it's good.
So,
but that's,
I don't know if this is the uniform though.
It's the glasses.
It's the,
I mean,
yeah,
that's it.
You've changed your glasses though.
In the last year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yesterday I had my contacts in for the show and then they had to audition different pairs
of glasses for the sketch.
And then one of them had an actual prescription in them.
And I was like,
Oh,
this one has a prescription in them. And then my dresser, actual prescription in them. And I was like, oh, this one has a prescription in them.
And then my dresser, Audrey, was like laughing.
And she was like, Keenan earlier had the same thing happen to him.
And he said, there's medicine in these.
There's medicine.
There's medicine in these glasses.
By the way, Keenan Thompson, and I'm not, and this is perfect,
but this is truly like an apropos thing for me this week where
he was up till 4 a.m. with us
shooting the sketch just
rallying everybody keeping the
morale up like getting everybody
out of like the 4 a.m.
overnight shoot like doldrums or
whatever team captain vibes what
a treasure
again as we continue to make the
list of great Americans who do we have so far?
We have Sam Loomis,
Kenan, who was somebody in between.
Molly Ringwald.
Sorry, Chloe.
You're a great New Yorker.
Yes, top 20 New Yorkers.
Absolutely, up there with Hamilton.
Up there with Hamilton.
Do you have any thoughts about what she has
said,
I guess in a Rolling Stone thing,
about how New York is all Lululemon and dogs.
Too many dogs.
But as a recent dog owner,
what do you make of this?
Like, as someone
who's been in New York
for a minute.
Yes.
Are there too many dogs?
I haven't noticed anything.
There's a lot of dogs.
I mean, I don't go to, like,
the dog park and that kind of
stuff. I have people that do that.
My dogs poop inside every single
day. Oh, really? Oh, they're
a mess. Consistent places? Sometimes
I'm like, guys, I'm the queen of
Versailles. I can't have this.
And the dogs are like, we haven't watched that.
No. Have you watched the series
Queen of Versailles? No, someone just told me about this.
I will watch it.
I did recently rewatch the original.
Excellent movie.
Fascinating, incredible.
The series is a little bit of a cheapened version, I'll say.
I'll say that on the record.
Because like all documentaries, not all, but a lot of great documentaries,
they started thinking it was going to be about one thing.
And then it changes.
That usually is exciting and adapting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's the most famous example of that?
It's probably The Jinx, right?
It's The Jinx.
The Jinx and also Capturing the Freedmen.
Oh, yeah.
Have you ever seen that?
I don't think I've ever seen it.
Oh, yeah.
Well, first of all,
because it's supposed to be about this guy
who's a party clown
and then it turns out
that he has this dark family history
and they follow that.
But you know that Silly Billy,
the party clown,
used to play the SNL holiday party up on 17.
He would come and do like party clown stuff.
When I was a writer.
When like Norm MacDonald's son would be there.
That era.
So I saw the doc and I was like, oh my God, that's Silly Billy.
Oh no, Silly Billy's family.
Oh, now we know.
Did the party.
He was not.
What do you mean he did the party?
There used to be a little, you know what it was? They would have, when the tree lighting was happening. Yes, yes, yes. They the party. He was not. What do you mean he did the party? There used to be a little,
you know what it was?
They would have,
when the tree lighting was happening,
they'd have bagels and stuff
and people would bring their kids.
They would bring their kids to that.
Some people would bring,
you know why?
Because Lauren's kids were little.
That's why.
That's why.
There are no children about.
It's just the bagels
and it's like,
the meeting's happening,
like your sketch might get picked,
it might not.
It's like there's a lot of weird tension.
But then the lighting is always a beautiful moment. It's a nice moment. But might get picked, it might not. It's like there's a lot of weird tension. But then the lighting is always
a beautiful moment.
It's a nice moment.
But we were talking,
you asked about New York
and does New York have too many dogs?
Probably.
Does it have too much Lululemon?
I mean, it's a mix.
In my neighborhood,
it's a mix of like,
there's a Lululemon
and then everything else is vacant.
Yeah.
I guess I'm in LA most of the time
where it's just all dogs.
And so I just kind of accepted
that me not having one is,
I'm wrong.
And I should get one.
I also like now I'm starting to feel a little guilty that I don't have one.
Do you remember when I hosted that dog grooming?
I hosted a dog grooming competition show called hot dog.
H a U T.
Excellent.
And there was a day,
there was a day where it was like rescue dog day.
And they made me hold one of these dogs and give a direct to camera.
Like,
don't you want to save a life?
Like, how would you feel to know that you could have saved a life and you didn't?
And then I like handed the dog back and I was like, okay, see you guys later.
And then I felt bad.
It was like, we need to help.
We need to help.
The message, that was the help.
Yeah.
The PSA was the help.
I did my thing.
I can be fun uncle to these dogs, actual children.
Yeah.
I'm ready for parenthood with the dogs, though.
With the dogs.
You want one.
Well, he would be a great dog owner.
But I can't do it with the schedule.
Because no one brings their dog to SNL.
Oh, people bring their dogs to SNL.
That would be a bridge too far.
Oh, there's a couple people, but it's fine.
They stay in the dressing room?
They stay in the dressing room, or sometimes they'll bring them out.
It's okay.
That's a different world.
It's okay.
Yeah, would never have flown?
No.
No, no.
I don't think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Right now,
I think post-pandemic,
we're all like,
we've had a rough couple years.
Yeah.
Let everyone have what they need.
Let's make sure everyone's fine.
Yeah.
Which I culturally must feel
wild.
I remember,
but this just comes with starting out there,
no matter who you are,
no matter what job it is.
If you start out there,
it is always hard
and it is always a cultural adjustment.
But I just remember a time like pre-pandemic
where I was just like,
oh, I was terrified every day.
Every day I was shaking.
Just to be there?
Just to be there. And yeah, I would have never thought to. I went there day I was shaking. Just to be there? Just to be there.
And yeah, I would have never thought to.
I went there, I was 97 when I went there.
And I mean, I see with clarity now,
like the 90s were so rough.
Like rough, rough, rough.
In what sense?
What do you mean?
Like kindness was not in fashion.
Oh, no.
And it would get worse from there. And no, mental health was like, what? Yeah What do you mean? Like kindness was not in fashion. Oh, no. And it would get worse from there.
And no mental health was like, what?
Yeah. What is that?
What are you talking about?
And that's why everyone ended up with some form of like temporary kind of OCD and, you know, but even just when you look back at, you just look back at like 90s Letterman interviews.
Yeah, totally.
And you're like, oh my gosh, he's just like harang Letterman interviews. Yeah, totally. And you're like, oh my gosh,
he's just haranguing a teenager.
Yeah, absolutely.
And we were like, ha ha ha.
Yeah, he got her.
That dumb slut.
He got her.
Exactly, that was the culture.
That 55-year-old man told that dumb teenager.
Paris Hilton will never be the same after that.
Well, but like the Paris Hilton thing,
I still, I mean, it's rough.
Like, I don't like celebrate that interview necessarily.
Yeah.
It is incredible.
And it's Letterman being the most Letterman in the best, not the best way, but in a way that you're like, it's Letterman.
And then, I've talked about this before.
It was the thing that like Anna Dresden and I watched and we're like, so I guess the iceberg should be like, I want to talk about this thing and not talk about this other thing.
You know what I mean?
We modeled it after that interview specifically.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We watched that.
We were like, okay, so like,
I just want to talk about my other thing.
Yeah, but it was like, that was the 90s too.
It was like really fucking making you squirm a bit.
And there's just so many things.
Even people like, if you've seen that,
again, these are all people that I you know
hold nothing against them
like
no
but like
there's some old Conan clip
where
the lady from Melrose Place
is on
Heather Locklear
no
oh gosh
someone else
the other blonde lady
Becca
Courtney Thorne
Courtney Thorne
thank you so much
first of all
thanks for
thank you I believe it's Courtney Thorne Smith and I forget maybe it of all thanks for putting that out there thank you
I believe it's
Courtney Thorne Smith
and I forget
maybe it's like
I don't know if it's
Conan once had a
norm on the other side
or something
and they're just like
doing a bit
like some kind of bit
that she looks really hot
or whatever
and she's just trying to
tell her story
from whatever it is
the pre-interview
of like a funny thing
that happened to her
and it's like
two maniacs
on either side of her
and you're just like
oh yeah
we're not doing that anymore
right
right right
but at the time
it was like
ha ha ha
yeah
and those are
like Conan is a lovely
kind
of course
involved intelligent person
we all were
I should probably try to think
of a story that I tell on myself
instead of like
no no no
but they were like
we were just hard
we were hard people
well we had Seth Meyers
on the show
like probably about a month ago. And he
was saying that like the best time
like that he felt like the winning season was
probably like 2008, 2009.
Like obviously when you went back.
Do you feel that way too?
Well, I feel like that was
a crazy good time. And Seth was
head writer and was doing a great
job and the world wasn't
as dark. And yeah and yeah for me I felt
like that was my like prayer for Owen Meany
moment where I was like was I born to look like
this lady I guess so
but now it all seems so gentle
I was there I remember
I was literally there I remember
one of the coolest ones was it was the
I guess weekend update Tuesday or Wednesday
oh yeah those two specials right
yeah the Thursday thing
they would add those things and I was at the time like a standby person I guess weekend update Tuesday or Wednesday. Oh yeah, these are two specials, right? Yeah, the Thursday thing.
They would add those things.
And I was at the time like a standby person. Like I would wait all the time.
And so someone at the line like was like,
yeah, they actually,
they give us tickets for Thursday thing.
So here you go.
And it was you, Will Ferrell,
and I guess Daryl Hammond, right?
Like doing.
And he was doing Bush and stuff.
Yep.
I think I remember that was the one
that my parents were like,
that was a little too far.
They were cause they're Republican.
Right,
right,
right.
That was a little too far.
I forget what,
I don't remember what the jokes were,
but they were on board till then.
And then they got back on board.
It wasn't a rift.
They forgave.
Totally.
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This is, I don't think I've,
this is personally important to me and I will never forget this,
but I matriculated to NYU, lived with my sister, was not in student housing, and so I was very
socially anxious about meeting new people. And I had researched the improv group at NYU
in April of senior year of high school. And I'm reaching out to the Facebook page,
throwback, and I out to the Facebook page,
throwback,
and I message the Facebook page,
when do you guys hold auditions?
Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch?
If I'm just a science major?
Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch?
I was so... I know, I remember the feeling.
And then the person who answered me was Anna Dresden.
She was like, hey.
She's so funny.
So funny.
But just like,
cosmically there was something about that.
And then she was like, don't worry, good luck with your mini-fidge rentals, hey. So funny. She's so funny. So funny. But just like, cosmically there was something about that. And then she was like,
don't worry.
Good luck with your mini-fidge rentals.
Like, bye.
And then auditioned for the improv group,
made it to the final round.
And then I was like,
I really hope I get this.
Got the email from Anna Dresden saying,
we're so sorry.
Oh, fuck.
We were floored by everybody.
Please start your own groups.
We shouldn't be the only game in town,
blah, blah, blah.
Game in town being NYU. The only improv group at NYU. I was like own groups. We shouldn't be the only game in town, blah, blah, blah. Game in town being NYU.
The only improv group at NYU.
I was like,
okay, licking my wounds.
My sister had gone out.
I had the apartment to myself.
It was Saturday.
Michael Phelps episode of SNL.
Tina and Amy were just going on
as Hillary and Sarah.
I get the call
during the cold open live
from Anna being like,
We made a mistake.
We talked about it.
Just kidding.
We're taking on two people
and you're in the group.
And then it was like this crazy shift.
Like something like...
The culture decided to be good.
No, no, no.
It was just...
It's like,
it's going to be a good time.
The trajectory was like perturbed
in like the best way for me possible.
I caused it.
You caused it and no matter what you were like
And Amy didn't. It was just me.
It was you.
But anyway, that's what I will
always fondly remember.
That's a great memory.
Okay, but is this the thing then?
Starting at SNL when you did or coming back
whatever the after party culture is at any given time is that informing what you and amy do after the show because where
you're like well let's just go to bed well no i mean we used to i mean when we were at snl we
used to go out until i had my first child and then i would sometimes begrudgingly go out and
they like you have to sit with lauren i'd be like okay oh yeah um i'm at that stage but i'm
childless i'm a childless conceptual.
But we used to go, but I never was an after after.
That was always, I'm like.
Yeah.
I can't imagine what that would even be.
No.
I remember, I feel like one time Tracy Morgan had like, he did like an illegal private casino somewhere.
That Dratch went to.
Like the next day I was like, it was insane.
Of course. I mean. like, it was insane!
Of course.
Of course it's insane. But speaking of all this culture, so that we're
talking about, in many ways, culture that made us
say culture was for us, but we have to ask you this question.
And it is, of course, a difficult question
that is really open to interpretation. But
Tina Fey, what was the culture that
made you say culture is for me?
Okay. I've been thinking about this
question. I struggled to understand it,
but I think I'm going to try to frame it like,
have you ever done those I am from poems?
Yes.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if we frame it that way,
I'm also much older than you guys.
And so I'm really going back.
I may say things that mean nothing to you, right?
We'll see.
Try us.
Like, I am from watching Benny Hill as a family.
Okay. Yes, yes, yes. Benny Hill as a family. Okay.
Yes, yes, yes.
What?
Yeah, no.
Watching a weird old man ogle women bikinis being like, this is formative.
As a culture.
As a family.
As a family.
Like, it's on PBS, guys.
Get around.
I am from, you know, a time when it just, our whole life was you go to Blockbuster.
Yep.
You rent The Stepfather, you rent the now incredibly problematic Sleepaway Camp 1 or 2.
And you watch it with your gay friends.
Again, if you want to talk about how hard it is, cackling.
Knowing it's horrible.
It's me and my best friend Marlene going to Pretty Woman when it first came out
and immediately cackling,
being like, we're the only ones that know
that she's a sex worker and this is
grim, right?
Okay, this week it's Richard
Gere, but every other
week it's terrible.
Cackling.
What else? I mean,
Real World New York season one.
Guys, I remember getting up early with my brother to see the beginning of MTV.
Wow.
The beginning.
The first video.
Like downtown Julie Brown vibes.
Like video killed the, like, let's put it on.
Oh, wow.
Getting up to see Live Aid.
Yeah.
And being so pumped that it was partly in Philadelphia.
Wait, it was?
You guys are like, Phil Collins is on the Concord, you guys.
Phil Collins is on the Concord.
Wow.
Yeah, it was for whatever reason, because the quality of the venue, it was in wherever
it was in Wembley, I guess.
It was Wembley.
And like, Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something. It must have been the vet. I'm silly and stupid and I thought it was just in the UK. Noembley I guess it was Wembley and like Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something
it must have been the vet
I'm silly and stupid
and I thought it was
just in the UK
no and that was
the big thing
was they were like
Phil Collins is gonna
play with this band
and then get on the
Concord and play again
what else has formed
who I am
you know
Sheila E
the glamorous life
wow thanks for that
you know Kelly Clarkson
just brought her back
Sheila E's on
Kelly Clarkson's album and I feel like no one talked about it.
Yeah, she's on the last track, and she's tearing it up.
Yes.
Sheila E.
Yeah.
We gave her a special culture award.
Sheila E?
We did.
We did.
Oh, my God.
That's right.
We gave her something.
She's been recognized by this podcast.
Good.
I'm glad.
Yes, she must.
What else can I give you?
You know, the divinals.
I touched myself.
The divinals. That was like, or like, me trying to have, to'm glad. Yes, you must. What else can I give you? You know, the divinals, I touched myself. The divinals.
That was like, or like me trying to have, to no success,
trying to convince people that our junior prom theme should be,
there must be an angel by Eurythmics.
The theme is there must be an angel.
I was like, just going to keep writing these papers and putting it in the box.
No.
What was it?
Ultimately, Under the Sea?
They needed to get real.
Well, it was like
Bryan Adams, Heaven.
Oh, okay.
And then I think
maybe senior year was
maybe like This Is The Time,
Billy Joel.
Wow.
Which was a new song.
Yeah.
I love that.
Wow.
But this is the thing
where I go,
how would I have done?
How would any of us do
in like a bygone time?
You would love it. The blockbuster of it do in like a bygone time you would love it
the blockbuster of it all
really resonates
because it's also about
going to blockbuster
and only ever renting
two things
renting two things
over and over
over and over
over and over
watching another one
was like
arachnophobia
was a big one
I feel like there's
a Martin Sheen one
that I can't think of
that was like a horror movie
maybe that's right
and like also
with my two good friends
Jim and Damien,
who are brothers
who between the two of them
are the amalgam
that are the basis
for the character Damien.
Damien.
Yeah.
And in their house,
they had a back staircase
that had been closed off
and made into a pantry
that was full of
every kind of junk food
known to man.
And we would just go over there
and get after it.
And also just like,
get after it.
Like it was the 80s,
like no one did fitness
your outfit was like
a high collar thing
with a blazer
yeah
it was just like
and there were no phones
did you drink a lot of soda
drank so much soda
so much soda
would eat like
a cheese hoagie
so like a 12 inch hoagie
with three kinds of cheese
yeah
really filling
and then still able to poop
wow
yeah
right
exactly
the body hadn't yet betrayed yeah and just like I'm trying to think culturally too it was like kinds of cheese. Yeah. Really Philly. And then still able to poop. Wow. Yeah. Right. Exactly.
Yeah.
The body wasn't yet betrayed.
And just think,
I'm trying to think culturally too.
It was like VC Andrews,
flowers in the attic.
Flowers in the attic.
Reading those on like the beach at the Jersey shore.
Yes.
Or like on the trolley to work.
This is so evocative.
Other weird things that I don't realize are like,
I was obsessed with Paul Young.
Paul Young.
That was like, every time you go away.
You liked like boy music.
Well, he was super cute.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And like SCTV used to be on after SNL,
three weekends a month.
And then the fourth weekend it was wrestling and he'd be like, uh-huh.
Who did you imprint on on SCTV?
Was it Catherine?
Oh my gosh.
Or Andrea Martin.
Andrea and Catherine.
Yeah.
For sure.
Andrea gives me
the frisson.
As you say.
Did I use that right?
You used that right.
You absolutely used
frisson right.
Frisson is the word
of 2024.
It's like
that feeling.
We need Molly Ringwald
to translate.
It's just like a feeling
of like something
in the air.
The euphoria.
Like when something
is like,
oh, I have the frisson thinking about this. Like the chills. When we mentioned Sam. It's the tingles feeling of like something in the air. The euphoria. Like when something is like, oh, I have the free song thinking about this.
Like when we mentioned Sam.
It's the tingles.
I got the free song thinking about Sam getting us
on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind.
Oh yeah.
That's a beautiful ride.
I think that the boy music thing is like,
that is also a thing.
Like the men of the eighties and nineties.
You were allowed to be, yeah.
But like there was something I'm gonna say, like,
set aside, like,
ogling and stuff, but, like, the men of that
time... Hot. I sound
insane for saying this. You don't.
You could look up to men
in a way that was, like,
fine. Yeah, you could look up
to men and be like, I'm okay.
I'm okay. Weren't worried about what they were up to,
maybe, as much, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not even that.
I mean,
I think they were good Americans.
Good Americans.
That's going to be
the name of this.
That's the name of this episode.
No, literally,
good Americans,
what's going to say?
But we also,
I mean,
we also were like
Janet Jackson,
Madonna,
Go-Go's,
like that's a long,
Eurythmics.
I remember also,
remember when Eurythmics
came out,
like when the first
Sweet Dreams came out
and we were like, people were scared of them. Yeah, it was dark. Like she had that I also remember when Eurythmics came out, like when the first Sweet Dreams came out.
And we were like, people were scared of them.
Yeah, it was dark.
Like she had that short hair and she was wearing a suit and everyone was like, what's happening?
She was on Tidpop.
And even when she did like Diva and like did do her own thing,
like it was still, there was something sinister about it
in a way that I love.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, just gender bendy.
The song Why by Annie Lennox.
I want that
as I'm lowered
into the ground.
Remember that.
I do say revisit
There Must Be an Angel.
It's beautiful.
Okay.
And also,
I mean,
Walking on Broken Glass,
like there's a reason for it.
Someone's going to sample
that song
and it's going to be
just the piano.
It's going to be on
Stranger Things or something.
Yes,
100%.
Yeah,
like that song
taking off the Kate Bush of it all.
I'm happy for the rediscovery as a culture.
You guys talked about this, that it's the year of the needle drop.
Yes.
Yes.
100%.
Do you watch The Bear?
No.
Okay.
I have seen some of them, but not all of them.
Probably one of the most famous needle drops of this year is Taylor Swift's Love Story on The Bear.
Oh, they did that?
They did that.
Oh. And to get the Taylor Swift's Love Story on The Bear. Oh, they did that? They did that. Oh.
And to get the Taylor Swift song must have cost a lot of money.
So thankfully it paid off on The Bear.
The Bear, you're doing excellent.
Yes.
You guys are crushing it out there.
They really are.
They really are.
It's so wild to see her like slay drama like this.
I am, yeah.
Yes. I know.
I have to go back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went.
I know.
She's so good. And I think it was like, I always like, back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went. I know.
She's so good.
And I think it was like,
I always like,
of course,
coming up with her,
like we always knew she was so talented,
but then I was watching Bottoms.
Did you see Bottoms?
Yes.
I was watching her on screen.
There's a scene where the camera gets way up in her face and I think she's having a moment with her love interest.
And I'm like,
you got it, girl.
Like, she got it.
Big time.
Big time.
We were in the edit yesterday
for this pre-tape.
Every take I was like,
oh, Ayo knows.
Pops.
She knows where to find
the camera,
whatever the camera,
but like,
and then it would cut to me
and it'd be like,
what am I doing?
Shut up.
No, no, no.
Bowen, you know what to do
with the camera.
Do we all have this?
Do we all have this thing
where it's this,
there is some dysmorphia,
that might not be the right word,
but it's like,
I think it's getting worse and worse for me
in terms of watching myself.
I've reached a point where I don't do it.
Unless it's something that I'm in charge of
and it's like, I have to edit it.
I'm like, oh, I'm going to make this movie
and I have an idea.
I'm never going to watch it.
Yeah, I got it.
And that's like freeing.
You know, when it came out about the four seasons,
the gay group chats were popping off.
Of course.
That's really exciting.
I'm excited about that too.
Yeah, this is going to be good.
I hope so.
That's a good link up again with Tracy.
Oh, Tracy and Lang, the best.
Tracy Wigfield and Lang Fisher.
Oh yeah, that's going to be good.
Super funny writers.
The gays that
remembered the movie
were like
like they were very right
totally
oh that's great
oh no yeah
they're lining up already
I can't get over
that my two movies
from Blockbuster
were The First Wives Club
and GoldenEye
that's
that was my personality
that's where it started
GoldenEye okay
First Wives Club
that makes sense
yeah First Wives Club
though you watch it now
and you're like
it's so a movie
of the 90s
where it's just like
it takes a bit
to get into
being a movie
and then
then it is
you know what I mean
but I kind of
missed the days
where it was just like
no the first half hour
is just gonna be a lot
of relationship building
like a lot
but is it any
first act stuff
that actually ever
pays off in the end? No, right?
That felt like a 90s thing where it was like
you just... I think it's all worth it
to watch them at the end sing You Don't Own Me.
And I can't remember anything else about the
movie besides that. And you know who else you forget
is in that movie kind of crushing it
is SJP. Yeah, she's great in that movie.
So good. She's great in that movie. She's great
in L.A. Story. Yes.
She's great in Ed Wood. Oh yeah. I don't think. Story. Yes. Yeah. She's great in Ed Wood.
Oh, yeah.
I don't think I've seen Ed Wood.
Wait a minute, Bowen.
Ed Wood is so great.
That's a really good one.
Okay.
I've got two weeks off.
Yeah.
Wow, you do have two weeks off.
So excited.
I'm not going anywhere.
I'm going to the Beacon.
I was going to say,
except the Beacon.
Except the Beacon.
So wait,
when you would have a vacation
from SNL back in the day,
would you go or would you just sit?
Would you bed rot?
I think I mostly just sat.
I feel like people at SNL do much better sort of self-care and living their lives.
But I think in the beginning, my now husband was still in Chicago.
So sometimes I would go back to Chicago for the week or whatever.
But no, I never took one real vacation.
I'm just still learning
how to do that.
I'm like,
oh right,
you book a trip
and then you go there.
Can I say,
I've never developed,
I don't think,
I think my time is up.
I think,
if I haven't learned by now
to book a vacation
on the two weeks off,
I don't think I ever will
for my remaining time there.
I'm just like,
I don't have that
thing of like,
that admin thing of like, let me book an Airbnb or something. So I'm just like, I don't have that thing of like, that admin thing of like,
let me book an Airbnb or something.
So I think it's,
I think there's something about working there
that like makes you want to stay put
because you're just like moving around a lot or something.
Yeah.
You need to recover.
Yeah.
The thought of going to the airport
doesn't seem good after that.
No.
Never ever.
I literally did this when you were in town last season
where I would like
do a show on Saturday.
My flight was at
8 a.m.
after daylight savings
after the spring clock
jumped forward.
So I lost an hour
and then went to the airport
to go to London
to then shoot.
And I was just like,
this is actually,
this is CTE.
Yeah.
This is CTE.
There's a part of my brain
that's leaving
yeah
and so
I don't know
oh my god
that sketch last night
when I was like
and when the wind blows
I can feel my memory
who wrote that
shout out to Asha Ward
hilarious
she is crushing it
she's a new young writer
she co-wrote this
elevator sketch with us
as well
yeah that was great
she is
so damn funny
and yeah she said that line to us on Tuesday night when she was pitching it when she was kind of going around with the idea she was like with us as well. Yeah, that was great too. She is so damn funny. And yeah,
she said that line to us
on Tuesday night
when she was pitching it,
when she was kind of
going around with the idea.
She was like,
yeah, it's based off
this People's Court,
this actual People's Court episode.
The actual People's Court episode.
Where it was,
the plaintiff did have,
like the haircut was,
her scalp was showing obviously,
not her actual brain.
But then Asha was like,
I think we're going to make it
her brain in this gift.
And I was like,
that's amazing.
And then Asha goes, yeah, and I think I wanted gonna make it her brain in the sketch I was like that's amazing and then Asha goes
yeah and I think
I wanted to say
when the wind blows
I can feel my memories
like being blown away
and I threw my head back
I was like
you have to put that in
yeah you must
you must
I did want to ask
so like
when you're at SNL
and also you're
at the same time
writing Mean Girls
like I guess
what I'm wondering
is like how long
did it take you
to do that because I remember like literally at the time reading interviews with you where you were like I just I'm what I'm wondering is like how long did it take you to do that because I remember
like literally at the time reading interviews with you where you were like I just wanted to
see if I could do it yeah and then you so obviously could but like how what was that
process of like juggling that because that seems like a lot of work all the time I am trying to
remember um I know I did a bunch of it in the summer. I feel like maybe it was over two summers
because it was the first time we rented
a house in Fire Island
on... We both love Fire Island.
We all love Fire Island.
Ana Gasteyer had recommended just doing that
and we went and we trash picked a desk
and we carried it.
I remember Jeff's arms got like a huge...
It's not Fire Island if you don't get a weird rash.
And he immediately got a rash
and I was like
oh I think there was deer pee
all over Jeff
or something
and so the
I must have been
doing first draft
the first summer
and then
the shooting
I remember the second summer
was the shooting draft
because I would get
Mark Waters the director
I would get pages
of notes
every single day
and I'd be like
I think I did it
and then be like
okay let's go through today again he's like page four and I'd be like, I think I did it. And then be like, okay, let's go through today again.
He's like, page four.
And I'd be like, hmm.
But he was right.
It was like, it was stuff of like, where are they?
This, that, could this be short?
It was like a lot of technical stuff.
And there was an amazing woman named Jill Messick
who worked for Lauren at the time,
who she also was just like poking me, okay,
like a lot of drafts in between unofficial drafts.
So I don't think I was doing it.
I must have been doing it on weeks off.
Yeah.
I don't think, I don't have a memory of doing it,
trying to do it at the same time as the actual show.
Like, only because, like, and obviously, like,
the movie is so perfect.
It's just everything.
God bless you.
It's one of those things that, like,
just falls into place in every way.
Like, I remember we were saying,
it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it, and I knew I was going to and had to. that just falls into place in every way. I remember we were saying,
it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it
and I knew I was going to and had to
remember every line that was happening.
I saw it with my cousin and I was just like,
this is a really special thing.
And then going to school, I remember I was like,
all the track girls, I used to run winter training,
this is a specific, but I would run track
and I would practice with all the girls
because we would just
talk about things like this
and everyone knew
all the lines
and it was so funny
because I watched
my one friend
sort of
I could tell
she wanted to be like
Regina George
in a way where
she didn't really get it
I was like
you don't want to be
actually mean
but the way she started
speaking
it truly
took over
I remember
it was that
and Anchorman
and I remember as a gay kid too I learned the language of Mean Girls started speaking and like it truly pervaded i remember it was that anchorman yeah it was like
and i remember as a gay kid too i learned the language of mean girls because that was what all
the girls were doing and then anchorman was what all the boys were doing and so it was sort of this
like code you had to code switch yeah and i remember taking my dad to see it and like he
was so excited because it was coming from you and And I remember it was just like this like moment that felt like a unifier like in high school because everyone thought it was funny.
Everyone thought the cast was amazing.
And I really wanted to ask about Rachel McAdams because this is essentially is a Rachel McAdams stand podcast.
Yeah.
We could just talk about her and no one else.
And we should.
Yeah.
But like I was reading an interview with you recently where you were like you mentioned like watching her act like change the way that you approached it.
Yeah, because I had never been in a movie before and I didn't know what I would go and to be in the scene.
I'd only done SNL and I wasn't even really in sketches on SNL.
I just did update.
Right, right.
So I would be like, I would literally be like, in my head, I'd be like, I don't know if I'm on camera right now.
So I'm going to try real hard every time.
Yeah.
Like didn't know to even ask if I'm in this part of the setup.
And her performance was so small that I remember being worried and going to Mark Waters and
being like, I don't know.
And then you get the dailies and it was like, yeah, perfection.
But it was very, it was small.
It was a film performance.
It wasn't like me.
We talk about that all the time.
Like the sketch mentality of coming in in one mode, especially especially like because we didn't have any acting training coming up.
We were like creatures of the basement, you know, like any of us.
And then all of a sudden you book a thing where you have to be on camera acting and they're like, hey, just throw it away.
And you're like, I don't know what.
What does that mean?
But you learn.
But the difference is that when you see when you see people on SNL, when you see someone like Ayo who understands the assignment, to use a now old phrase.
It's back now, though.
It's back.
I brought it back.
She understands what she's supposed to do and what sketch requires.
And then you compare to, well, not name names, but you see people who come in who have only ever done film, whose performances are built in the edit room, who have no internal sense of pacing or even energy.
Yeah.
And oh, and oh,
they can fuck up a show.
But they can slay the pre-tapes.
They can slay the pre-tapes.
Slay the pre-tapes.
Yeah, pre-tapes for them.
Pre-tapes.
Literally all we want to tell people
now at SNL,
like all I tell the hosts
all the time on Wednesdays,
especially at the read-through,
I go,
Fast and loud.
We were just like,
just do it fast and loud.
Fast and loud.
Wow.
And that usually
is plenty.
Dials it in. It's plenty. Wow. And that usually dials it in.
It's plenty.
Yeah.
That's what Amy talks about how, because we do a Q&A in our show and like we often get asked like, you know, who are your favorite guests and stuff?
And she's like, I love athletes because they're used to being coached and they don't care.
And you just be like, just do that.
They just do it louder and like say it and they're like, okay.
You also get a sense that anyone with like a Disney kid past comes in there and tears
it up.
Yep.
Also, by the way, people who've done
and there are fewer and fewer of these people
but used to be people who had done soaps.
You know who's got his start on soaps?
Alec Baldwin.
Julianne Moore.
Make a choice and go.
Get Lisa Rinna to host.
Oh, come on, Lisa.
Julianne Moore, I think,
our favorite movie of the year is May-December. We fucking love May well and that's I think our favorite movie
of the year is May December
we fucking love May December
that's your favorite movie
of the year
we love May December
I enjoyed it but
that and Poor Things
were my
I haven't watched Poor Things
oh you'd love it
oh you'd like Poor Things
Emma's
Emma's another one
like comes in and like
just
yes
gets it
and gets it
gets it on camera obviously
but Julianne Moore
I guess because
what's so fun about the movie is it's like purposefully a melodrama, right?
That insane music.
That music when she's like, we're out of hot dogs.
Yeah.
With her insane accent.
But then she was talking about like, she's like, well, you know, I started in soaps and I actually did the archetype of like.
The twins.
The twins.
The evil twins.
Like the amnesia twin.
So it wasn't even just amnesia or just twin.
It was both.
Wow.
Acting opposite herself,
wanting to kill herself.
Incredible.
Kill the other.
It makes all the sense
in the world to me.
Wait,
you said that about Alec too,
though,
where it's like the Rachel McAdams thing
where it's like just-
So quiet.
Yeah.
When you're like,
is this going to work?
And then you watch the other,
you're like,
oh my God.
Oh my God.
There it is.
And sometimes,
you know,
real stars,
they don't really do
what they're going to do
until you're on their close up. And so, you know, you stars, they don't really do what they're going to do until you're on their close-up.
And so, you know,
you look at those first two seasons
of 38 Rock and I'm like,
hey,
we got a problem!
We got a problem!
And he's like,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
I'm like,
hmm,
you won that one, sir.
You won that one.
It really is wild, though,
because you do a take
and they're like,
okay, we're moving on.
And you're like,
there's no way we can.
I didn't do anything.
And they're like, no, you get the performance of a lifetime. You, there's no way we can. I didn't do anything. And they're like,
no,
you get the performance of a lifetime.
You just won't ever know because it wasn't fun for you at all.
Right.
Exactly.
But it worked for us.
Back to Mean Girls really quickly.
Yeah,
please.
How many times did you see it in the theater?
Cause you brought your dad.
Three.
So I saw it.
Four.
Oh my God,
bless your heart.
Oh,
come on.
I mean,
like,
first of all,
like,
I wonder how this feels too.
Cause to join this thing of like, it was like Heather's, it was Clueless, and then it's Mean Girls.
And that has to be really meaningful.
Very meaningful to me, yeah.
Because those, you know, Heathers and Clueless were hugely formative.
I mean.
This is my thing.
This is my specificity with it.
There was like a website, 2004, 2005, in that time of the internet called the script database
or something. And they would either have the screenplay,
the original screenplay of the movie, of any movie
you could think of, if they had it,
the original actual PDF
or the scan or whatever of the script, or
they would have a transcript. And then
I remember reaching out to the admin of that being
like, I will transcribe Mean Girls
for you. And then he was like,
And I did it.
And this guy was like, I will transcribe Mean Girls for you. And then he's like, and I did it. And this guy was like,
God bless you. The demand
for a movie has
never been higher than for Mean Girls.
And I was like, I'm gonna do it.
And I wrote the fucking, like, the slugs
in the description.
I transcribed
Mean Girls.
How old were you? 14.
Wow.
I was,
this is what I said.
I said,
I can get you the script.
And then this guy,
this like 30 year old man
was probably like,
you mean the actual like
Tina Fey like draft?
I was like,
no,
no,
no.
I'm just going to type out
what they say.
I like didn't know.
I didn't know what he was looking for.
He was like,
I don't care.
I'll take a transcript.
I was like,
oh, that's yes, of course.
Transcribe.
Yes, I will write out what they say.
I'll say Katie says that, you know, like, yeah, that was the level of like, yeah, there's like joy in every scene.
And I guess what I feel is like you forget like that such big deals came out of that movie to like Amanda Seyfried. Like she's just so in the fabric of the movie having fun doing her part
that you forget
that she would then become
like an Oscar nominee.
Yeah, hello.
And I mean,
it's like that down to everything.
And I wonder like in shooting it,
did you know that it was like,
did you have a feeling
that there was something
special happening?
Which feels like a question,
like a boring question.
Or an impossible answer.
Because it did end up being culturally
significant. Thank you. I feel
like I mean part of the reason
that it worked is because
those girls were so legit
and took it seriously and
played it so real
you know if they had been campy about it
because I think that's
the thing I try to sometimes pass on
in whatever writers rooms or whatever is like no one no villain thinks they're no one's the thing I try to sometimes pass on in whatever writer's rooms or whatever.
It's like no one, no villain thinks they're, no one's the villain in their story.
Like Regina's whole thing is like, it's hard.
Like she's going to come crying to me and then I got to help her.
Like no one's a villain in their own story, right?
And I think they all played that perfectly.
Because, you know, and you can see now like Regina's a villain, Janice is a villain, Katie's a huge villain.
Like everyone's making mistakes,
and they played them all perfectly.
But, you know, I think I was just at that place of, like,
basically, like, is it going to air?
You know, we're going to, it's going to get made.
That was the triumph in my mind.
That's refreshing to hear,
because I think Matt and I are in that mindset right now
where we're just, like, we're working on things,
and we're just, like, let's just not worry about
the contours of this.
Let's just like,
the goal is just to get it made.
Period.
You know what I mean?
I read this book,
I think it's called
like Wild and Crazy Guys
and it's this little
nonfiction book
about that span of time
where like,
it's like Steve Martin,
Eddie Murphy,
Bill Murray,
Dan,
it's like all of,
when they all were blowing up
and what movies got made
and whatever.
And so many of these movies that are just canon
to us they were like
didn't really open
and you're like oh I don't care like
you know I watched it 100
thousand times whatever the man with
two brains or you know like that was just
they just were movies you know and
to like not worry too
much about, like,
how it does out the gate.
How it does.
How many theaters.
It is just, you wonder, like, how many things
we would actually love so much that it just get written off.
I wonder about that all the time, like,
with the way the industry is now.
Like, how many things aren't getting made
that, like, are actually going to be things
that we think about in 15, 20 years.
You know what I mean?
Like, it feels very far and few between that you get something, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think movies still are tighter.
Yeah.
I feel like TV, because there's so much more like you are getting, like you're getting
Reservation Dogs.
You're getting, you know, Simon Rich's weird show where the people, you know, like Simon,
you know, it's what Bottoms felt like.
Yeah.
Totally.
So refreshing. Well, she's incredible. Emma Seligman, the director of that. Simon Simon you know that's what Bottoms felt like yeah totally so refreshing
well she's incredible
Emma Seligman
the director of that
she's like
I think she can do anything
she can
between Shiva Baby
and Bottoms
I know
and we love Rachel
we love Rachel
so it's happening
like and you know
my daughter's 18
my older daughter
and that is
Bottoms is everything
really
everything
right
yeah it's her Mean Girls in a way yeah yeah that's so cool that's so cool My daughter's 18. My older daughter. And that is bottoms is everything. Really? Everything. Right.
Yeah.
It's her mean girls in a way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that's so cool.
That's so cool.
I mean, it is this thing where like,
maybe we're just because we're like in,
we have some awareness.
We're like reading like the anchor or whatever.
But I'm just like the survivorship bias of it all is really hitting me where I'm just like,
oh yeah, if I think too hard about the things
that aren't getting me,
then I start to get,
I start to lose my mind a little.
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available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. like there can't have ever been a time when there was like not those not those people it's one of those things it's like yeah i think so and lindsey had worked with mark before lindsey was coming she
had a lot of heat coming off of freaky friday and there's also mark waters i think maybe i can't
remember we should fact check for sure okay but yeah yeah i think so uh-huh yeah and she came and
she remember she came by snl just to like hang out and be seen because I think she wanted to be considered.
She wanted to play Regina, which I think was fun.
And Lorne was always wise, was like,
no, you want that person to be the person
who takes the trajectory to Regina.
He's basically like, that's the part that you want.
She was like, okay.
Was that when both you and Dennis were head writer?
Probably, yes.
That's so funny.
I love Dennis.
She was also a killer on SNL.
Of course.
People who acted as kids also,
they're just like, where do I stand and what do I say?
Let's do it.
Miley Cyrus, where do I stand and what do I say?
Kiki Palmer.
Locked and loaded.
Kiki Palmer everything.
Kiki Palmer.
Which is why we need to push more children into shows.
Yeah, 100%.
We need to feed the SNL host pipeline by ruining children.
If there is like some sort of surgical Neuralink type procedure
just to implant that thing in actors of just like stand here,
say it loud, say it fast.
Fast and loud.
You guys had that at the same time too.
That must be like a thing. Fast and loud, yeah. Fast and loud. Was never, you guys had that at the same time too. That must be like a thing.
Fast and loud, yeah.
Fast and loud.
Sudi would say that
and then Celeste and I
say that now
to all the hosts.
We're just like,
just project.
That's our thing.
But we're nice
but we're not like,
we're just like,
yeah, just blow through it.
Fast and loud.
And it works.
I bet it does.
Anyway.
I mean,
vibes are incredible.
Vibes are incredible.
They really were.
I mean, from home.
They were nice.
They were nice. Are you watching every week? Not every single week but I try, you know,. Vibes were incredible. They really were. I mean, from home. They were nice. They were nice.
Are you watching every week?
Not every single week,
but I try,
you know,
what sort of got me back into the,
every week was,
was Alice being old enough to,
and like wanting to stay up and watch it.
But we,
she was not home last night because she was at the cast party for her own high school musical.
What did they do?
Well,
the prom,
she killed it.
They all killed it.
They were all great.
That sounds like a tour de force opportunity.
All girls' production of the prom.
Oh, really?
Oh, that's even more.
Oh, that's beautiful.
I love that.
I know.
It was super cute.
Of the prom.
Okay, so that is a hilarious idea to think about someone playing Didi as like a child.
By the way, this girl killed it.
Oh, I wish I had video for you because she killed it.
Oh my God.
People are like, if you could do one role, what would it be?
I'm like, I know it'll never happen, but I'd love to do Dee Dee in the prom.
I had to do drag for the show I was in last year.
And I put this little wig on, like a little side swoop.
Not exactly Catherine Zeta, but in the world.
And I was like, I think I am Dee Dee.
I know I am. You're Dee Dee. Do're Didi um do you know Jeff my husband Jeff yes yeah so he often brings up that like back in
musical theater like major college yeah but you take makeup class and part of makeup class was
always like you had to do drag or like you had to like do a gender swap with your makeup and he
really likes to brag that he looked this may be be tool to reference you, but he's like, I was very pretty
and I looked like Barbara Mandrell.
Oh my God.
He's like,
I was very pretty.
Have you seen photos?
Could you confirm?
I have not seen photos.
Okay, well.
You should tell him
to put on a face again.
I know.
He has a beard right now,
but he might shave it
for the opportunity
to show off Barbara Mandrell.
Just tell him
if he wants a stage,
we do something
called the Culture Awards
every year.
He's welcome to come out and give his full Mandrell.
And then you can judge whether he still looks like Barbara Mandrell.
Oh.
Barbara Mandrell, also,
you're kind of almost there with the drag name anyway.
Totally.
Mandrell.
And then...
This is what I'm saying.
This is what we're saying.
The opportunity is riper and riper.
We're not going to judge him.
It's going to be like a fucking VMA situation
where he knows ahead of time that he's winning the award.
We're saying that's the VMA because the Grammys are today.
And we're like, we think people don't know if they're gonna win a Grammy.
But I think you know if you're winning like a VMA.
I bet.
Yeah.
Because Taylor Swift has changed her...
Flight?
No.
She's changed her Instagram to all black and white, which we believe means there's an announcement coming.
Eminent. Instagram to All Black and White, which we believe means there's an announcement coming.
And I'm like, well,
I wonder if Taylor Swift could find out in advance if she's winning a Grammy.
Because if someone could, it's probably Taylor Swift, right?
Probably.
You don't know what the Oscars, you don't know what the Emmys,
you probably don't know what the Grammys.
It's not people's choice.
You would know, you've won a ton of these things.
Did they call you before?
No, no, no. I feel like I do remember one time with the Golden Globes,
Alec was nominated for 30 Rock and he was like,
can we just call them and ask them if I won?
Because I felt like with that one, maybe you could have.
And I don't think he was able to.
And I don't remember if he won or not.
But he was like, surely this one, they'll just tell me if I have to go.
And well, I mean, I bet they would.
If it's Alec.
Especially the Globes at that time. I know. Oh, by I mean, I bet they would. If it's Alec, whatever. Especially the Globes
at that time.
I know.
Oh, by the way,
your guys' host,
would you guys go back
and host again?
Oh my gosh,
I don't know.
It's a thing
because we ended,
the last time we did it
was this weird like Zoom one
that was a bummer.
But we did used to have
so much fun doing that.
We really did.
You guys were the best at it.
The Zoom one can't be
the period on the piece.
That's the tricky one, yeah.
Not to put the pressure on.
I know,
but we could either try to erase the Zoom one or yeah. Well, NBC doesn't be the period on the piece. That's the tricky one, yeah. Not to put the pressure on. I know, but we could either
try to erase the Zoom one
or, yeah.
Well, NBC doesn't own it anymore.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, me, you,
Countess Luann,
we work for NBC.
You got it.
We're Comcast, girl.
Comcast for life.
who's in charge of NBC
these days.
Right.
I will say,
she was on one the other night.
She is alive up there.
Yeah. That's great. She is alive up there. Yeah.
That's great.
She goes for it.
And it's so funny
because you watch the early seasons
and you're like,
this woman's never going to become
a cabaret star.
And then you go to 54 Below
and she was doing covers
of Oh, What a Night.
How do I ask this delicately?
Has she been
working on her singing?
Can I say?
Because everyone does.
It totally does. Taylor Swift did. Yeah, you're not Because everyone does. It's so deeply.
Taylor Swift did.
Yeah, you know what?
A hundred percent.
Here's what I'll say.
There is a
quality to her voice
that I think limits
what it can do.
Yes.
It's low and raspy.
It is so low.
It's a Bea Arthur.
It's a Carol Channing.
It's a Channing, yeah.
It exists where it exists.
And so I think
we're picking songs that
just the keys are
two steps down
from what they,
even are for the men she covers.
Yes.
But I will say there's something sort of,
she really knows her range.
She's matching pitch.
100%.
And you're never going to see her
like go for the money note.
Right.
In fact,
one time she did go for the money note
and it was more like,
I'm joyfully making a big sound than it is I'm hitting a note.
Which, it's just about the selling and the delivery of it.
I think her range, being what it is, is the perfect extra dimension to her performance.
And I think she knows that now, and I think she's like, let me just have fun.
I know I'm not the best singer.
And we're saying this with love, Lou.
Well, there's a lot of people who, yeah, if it's like, if you
know how to put your show together
and give people, and also if people know
what they're signing up for.
We were signing up for four red sangrias
I found.
Sangria.
I don't know what it was about it
that made me feel like this is the drink tonight.
Sugar and wine. How could you?
And this is also what got me really, I make like a quote unquote famous sangria, winter sangria for holidays.
It's just so much booze.
And I literally was just like, yay.
And I realized no one likes it as much as me.
But because I made it, I feel it must get consumed.
And then you're blacked out on Christmas.
And I don't even get drunk like this.
It's only when I'm drinking red sangria.
NYU, pre-21, if you didn't have a fake,
the place to go is Little Italy.
You would just order like a-
The House Chianti.
The House Chianti.
Well, no, you would order like a huge pitcher of sangria.
Cottage too.
It got you there.
Well, cottage, it's Chinese restaurant.
Do you remember the restaurant?
The Chinese place?
Yeah, the Chinese place.
Yes.
So they're long gone now.
Two of us and Steph Xu The Chinese place. Yes. So they're long gone now. And Steph Shue of everything ever.
Oscar nominee Steph Shue would go there in college and get wasted at 19.
And drink red wine.
What was that?
It was worse than two buck chuck.
It was something worse than two buck chuck.
It was like fermented Welch's grape juice.
Yeah, 100%.
I had my birthday there.
It was like a party of 25 underage kids getting so much of this red wine.
So much.
But wait, in terms of putting together a show, though, just quickly, was it like you and Amy being like, what do we want to do?
Do we just want to sit down?
Because it would be easy to just do that.
I mean, we do it all the time.
Right, just sit down and do a Q&A.
We did a little test run of Netflix is a joke.
It's just mostly a Q&A and a couple of little really undercooked bits.
And it was easy and fun
but we sort of thought like
oh we should have
a little bit of structure
and so we do
I feel like this is
a really nice little structure
I don't know if I should
give it away
because we may keep touring
but like yeah
it has sort of like
four parts
there are wardrobe changes
oh love
there are
one to four wigs
yes
oh good depending on the night there is a little There are wardrobe changes. Oh, love. There are one to four wigs. Yes. Oh, good.
Depending on the night.
There is a little bit of improv.
Okay.
There's a little bit of stand-up.
Come on.
And a special guest.
And a special guest.
And so the structure, it reminded us of Golden Globes times because we always have, we have
such, it's over 30 years.
Yeah. That we know each other.
So we do really have a shorthand of like, what if we go X, Y, Z?
Like there's no ego in it.
There's like we, and also we both been producing things for a long time.
So I do feel proud.
I feel like we're giving the white women that come to see us and other people too.
Let's not fool ourselves.
And 30 something Asian.
And beautiful Asian gamut. All are welcome. and other people too but let's not fool ourselves and 30 something Asian and beautiful
Asian
all are welcome
I feel like
we're giving people
like what they want
from y'all
but anyway
but also it's like
hopefully a little bit
surprising as it goes along
but the answer is like
basically
I was on set
we were finishing
filming the Mean Girls movie
in Middletown, New Jersey
and we had
Amy and I had been working like once a week over Zoom being like talking about what in middletown new jersey and we had amy and
i had been working like once a week over zoom being like talking about what the show could be
whatever and then we had from the day i finished and it was a brutal it was a very tiring fast
shoot it was like a lot of late nights and whatever and um so that was say i finished on
like the monday and then like saturday we were like our test show was in port chester so she
came and we had like three or four days it was very much like the golden globes we were like our test show was in Port Chester so she came in we had like three or four days it was very much
like the Golden Globes
we were like
okay we got this
we got this
and we just sort of finished
figuring out the show
and we've honed it
some since
but it is sort of like
you know when you write
something that's born quickly
and it just comes right out
it's usually a good sign
and the structure
kind of just
slipped right out
when did you realize
there was like music
to you and Amy
like I wonder
because you guys
have always been
like friends and I think I don't so you guys have always been like friends
and I think
I don't know how true
this is
but like you were
at SNL
and like put her
name in their ears
and then she came
yeah so we started
you know we were in
we started together
at Improv Olympic
yeah
Sharna Halpern said
to both of us
this girl
you're gonna like this girl
we're gonna put you
on the same team
and we were the only
two girls on a team
inside Vladimir
and
which is a gay porn title
that's what it was named on
yeah it was named
for a gay porn
VHS tape
that was on display
at JJ Pepper's
on Clark and McFarway
oh my god
it's good for them
I remember we also
were like
we named it after that
and then as a team
we were like
we should all watch it
once as a group
and then we were like
oh we watched it
the first 10 minutes
and then people drifted
to other parts of the party
except for like
one or two of the straight guys
that just hung in.
Yeah, right?
Code switching.
I can't.
Yes.
And so we toured together.
And we were both understudies for the main stage.
And she was 100% the A team and I was the B team.
I remember one time Kelly Leonard was like,
you know, so-and-so's going, Dratch.
Dratch is going on vacation and Amy can't,
she can do all of the nights except one.
And I was like, so I get it?
And he's like, no, you're going to, she's going to do all the nights except one and
you're going to go on one time.
And I was like, okay.
But, and then she left to go do UCB show in New York.
And then, and then I did main stage literally only because she left or I would have been
waiting another two years behind her.
I was John Glazer's understudy.
Oh, wow.
John Glazer.
In Yotta Full of Bees.
And he is such like a gender neutral in his comedy that I was just like, yeah, you can just step right in.
Totally.
Because it's all just like wonderful weirdness.
Matt and I both read for a John Glazer assistant part in the show.
And I backed one up.
We love you, John.
He and his wife listen to the podcast oh they're the best
I see them on Fire Answer Mose in the summer
by the way I didn't even mean to do this
but I realized I had my merch
my island pines
sorry sorry
so then I ended up trying to get a writing job at SNL
and Adam McKay hired me
and I started and then yes
so at some point I guess after the UCB TV show ended, I was like, but would you ever, but would you ever come over here?
Would you ever audition?
And I feel like it was sort of brokered that she was like, basically like, I am not doing three through the door.
Like I'm not like I'm too established to come with my characters in my box of wigs.
And so it was some kind of in between.
It was more like a camera test.
There was something where it was like, I in between. It was more like a camera test. Right.
There was something where it was like, I'm not going to work too hard.
I see.
Yeah.
Forever the Enneagram 8.
The Challenger.
Enneagram 8.
What is that one?
The Challenger?
Yes.
What are you?
Do you know you?
Three.
I'm three. I think I'm three.
What is three again?
The Achiever.
Oh, now that I know this is a thing, I'm going to become obsessed with it.
Amy's obsessed with it.
Oh, yeah.
You need to take the test tonight.
Okay.
Oh, Amy's an eight. Amy's an eight. Is, yeah. You need to take the test tonight. Okay, I will.
Oh, Amy's an eight.
Amy's an eight.
Is it one through eight?
It's one through nine.
Nine, yeah.
What's nine?
I forget what nine is
because I don't know a lot of nines.
Nine sounds dangerous.
What's it called?
Like your echo four?
What is it called?
Wing.
Wing four.
Wing four.
I think I'm wing four
and I forget what four is.
Oh, this is exciting.
Yeah.
Oh, this is going to take over your life.
Do you ever dabble in astrology?
I know I'm a Taurus.
I don't believe
so much in astrology because it's random
but why which is and again I'm not
the Enneagram stuff it's because I've been on tour with Amy
for the last 17 weekends so we're talking about a lot
but I do put more stock in it
because it's based on you answer a million
questions and it's like based on you
and what you think and how you react
that's the word qualitative
so with the you and Amy thing,
would you consider yourselves opposites?
No, we're not opposites.
Because it presents us that in the comedic duo,
which I guess we've been talking about this a lot being this, but it's funny how you present that
and are that.
Our personas are opposites, right?
Because it's more like I'm sort of tightly buttoned up
and then she's more like little Boston dirtbag.
But we're both actually pretty bossy but yeah I just to answer your question like when did I realize that we're
sort of more powerful together yeah I remember before like Jimmy I was doing an update with
Jimmy and then he left and I was felt very abandoned because I was like he left like I
he left we had a good thing going and And I did tests with other people and stuff.
And then Lauren was doing that.
And I think he was like, what do you think?
Like leaving it sort of up to me.
And there was a part of me that was like, oh, God, I think I'm supposed to want to do this by myself.
Right.
Like that's the power move.
But I was like, but I'm a sketch person.
I'm not a stand up.
You wanted a partner.
Right.
And at the very like last minute, I remember I was coming back.
This is too much information.
I was coming back from a train trip from Washington, D.C.
where I had weirdly and presciently taken a photograph for like the cover of I don't know what.
Oh, is it the John McCain thing?
With John McCain.
Yeah.
Like in 2000 whatever, but way before 2008.
And I had to make the decision on the Amtrak ride back.
Wow.
And I called Amy and I was like, would you do me the great honor of being my wife?
And then it just worked from there.
And I think by the time the Globes and the Hillary and Sarah, all of it all, it just was like, oh, people do like us together.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
That's the music to it that you're asking about.
Yes.
I mean, I just because it feels like, again, it feels like that thing that always was.
But there had to be a time when it was decided like, oh, yeah, this feels really good.
And I think that's like, just feels like this synergistic thing that must have always been.
Right.
You know what I mean?
I mean, it kind of has been for a long, like, maybe the credit goes to Sharna.
I mean, it sounds like, sounds like, yeah. But like, in terms of you guys building out the structure for the show, for Restless Leg, like that is
interesting to hear about
because I feel like
with Globes,
it was you guys
looking at the established
structure of like
what an award show
looks like
and then being like,
let's go out
with mustaches
and be like nominees
for dog president.
A movie called Dog President.
You know what I mean?
Like,
form breaking.
Like,
I was like,
I remember just watching,
I was with my friends
watching that first year
of the Globes and just being like, oh my God, this is incredible. This was like, I remember just watching, I was with my friends watching that first year of the Globes
and just being like, oh my God, this is incredible.
This was also the joke structure they handed to you guys,
which they don't do anymore,
which as a woman who dot, dot, dot, I missed that. I wish they would do that because sometimes they would just like describe it in such a weird way
and they're on the actor
like,
and she has to like nod.
As a total idiot.
Total idiot
who looks terrible
until the end.
Who looks terrible
even now.
Julianne Moore.
Matt Rogers,
dog president.
Yeah.
I mean,
the things I think we knew
from like,
I felt that we brought
producer brain to the table
with the gloves.
We were like,
front load it. Yes. Don't come out. And I've watched other award to the table. We were like, front load it.
Don't come out.
And I've watched other award shows since where I've been like,
oh, no, no, no, my darling.
At the end of the Oscars,
don't come out at like 10.50 with a long ass bit.
Everyone's tired.
Everyone who's still in the room has lost.
Get out of there.
So front load it. Don't go too long. in the room has lost. Get out of there. So front load it.
Don't go too long.
Work the room.
And also literally just say who you are and remind people how they know you.
I feel like we had just training from SNL of just watching a million monologues.
That's the Lauren thing of like, okay, most times you're going to be in the cold open in a monologue.
And before update, that's above the fold in terms of newspapers.
It's common sense to us, but it's also things things that I guess like people don't think of all the time.
And that's that's OK.
But it's also like I feel like the biggest boon of working there is to like see a different version of let's just say like fame every week.
And then to be like, oh, I can behaviorally adjust myself based on what I'm witnessing.
You know, which of these paths seems like a good path.
And yeah, that sounds weird to say.
So speaking of like the famous of it all, I wonder, like, you've probably met everyone at this point, but then you're in the Golden Globes room and it's literally like, is there anyone who throws you off?
That is a great question. I have to say, after so much time at SNL and also just being 53, where you're just like, I don't care.
Yeah, right.
And you've seen so many waves of culture and you're like, guess who used to be a big deal and isn't anymore?
Whoever you are, it will pass, right?
And also having had to go make crazy phone calls and have crazy meetings and be like,
like, I've had to do things like, can you call Mariah Carey and ask her for the rights to, you know, this song?
And once you've done like, I don't know if I can think of a person that I'd be like,
you're such a big deal.
Because even Oprah has been your colleague.
I have met Oprah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm one of the most iconic.
So there you go.
But winning over Mariah is huge.
Because you got her with Mean Girls and you have her for life.
She loves Mean Girls.
She loves Mean Girls.
I know, and I love her.
Wrote a whole song about it.
One of her best songs.
Yeah.
To our...
I'm so obsessed with me.
Do you like the new...
Do you like the new...
The Renee and Megan song?
Love it.
Love it.
So I'm listening to it. Do you like it? Do you like it? I listen to it all the time. Do you like the new, do you like the new, the Renee and Megan side? Love it, love it. So, I'm listening to it.
Do you like it?
I listen to it all the time.
Do you like it?
Renee is a real one.
A real star.
She's a real star.
A real star.
Love her.
She came on this podcast then.
It's like,
her voice in that movie.
Were you at the Jimmy Awards
when she won?
I was at the Jimmy Awards.
Do you know this?
You were at the Jimmy Awards?
There.
Me, Joel Kim Booster,
Brandon Scott Jones.
Cruising.
You were cruising. We Awards? There. Me, Joel Kim Booster, Brandon Scott Jones, Matt Whitaker. You were cruising.
We were cruising.
Oh, no.
We were there
and then Renee came out
and then Laura Benanti
was hosting the whole thing
and being like,
and just on stage,
Laura Benanti saying like,
if I had the confidence
of that girl,
I would have no problems.
And it was just,
you could tell from that night.
Yeah, she's a star.
It was just.
And the kid that won was Andrew Barthelman. Andrew Barthelman. The Jennifer was just, you could tell from that night. Yeah, she's a star. It was just. And the kid that won
was Andrew Barthelman.
Andrew Barthelman.
The Jennifer Lawrence movie,
No Hard Feelings.
Yes, and Evan Hansen, right?
Evan Hansen.
Yes, Evan Hansen.
That was a big year for the Jims.
Yeah, yeah.
The Jimmys of the future.
100%.
The other thing that I loved
about Renee on SNL
was her live vocal was
right up front in that mix.
Right up front. Right mix. Right up front.
Right in the zone.
Totally.
You could hear
it was live.
Aw.
100%.
She was great vibes.
And then at the after party
she was like,
I don't do like
big spaces.
I was like,
you're so cool.
I know.
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I think it's time to move on.
Shall we move to I Don't Think So, Honey?
Okay, so this is the segment Tina
where we take one minute
to rant and rave against
something in culture
and I'm gonna get a little specific
and I apologize to you in advance
oh no
but I think you need to make some changes
oh god
I know but don't be scared
okay okay
this is Matt Rogers
I don't think so honey
about me I guess
because time starts now
I don't think so honey
Bo and Yang
no deodorant in your dressing room
oh get out because I think
it's like a it's a staple right
I don't need it
I don't need a babe
my thing is like I needed it and you remember
that you have guests and some of them are going
to be in that hot little stuffy dressing room
and I'm turning around
and as I said before no not a deodorant
in sight in my apartment.
Only Axe, which I didn't find until this morning.
I feel like, Bowen, we need to rethink
and restock your dressing room with
the essentials. Because there's a lot of
fancy good whiskey
and no deodorants. No nothing that's
going to actually get us to the end of the day,
the end of the week. Because it was smelling
in there and I apologize to you.
But you had a lot of men in your dressing room last night and it stank by the end of the week. Oh. Because it was smelling in there and I apologize to you, but you had a lot of men
in your dressing room
last night.
15 seconds.
It stank by the end of it.
And I'm telling you,
I just couldn't believe
you didn't have
your little essentials.
You do have a lot
of good cologne.
I do.
Which is better than Axe
by seconds.
Okay, but I'm just saying
in terms of the sweat
and the antiperspirant,
you could be doing better.
I don't think so.
And that's one minute.
I had Tums available
for our friend Dave because he had an upset stomach. Yeah. I have so many other. And that's one minute. I had Tums available for our friend Dave
because he had an upset stomach.
Yeah.
I have so many other.
This is the thing about working at SNL
that I am never going to get over.
You could have had the worst week professionally.
Not the worst week,
but just a rough week at the show.
It feels bad.
And then you still have to host your friends
and make sure they have ice
and get drinks for them.
I'm like,
this is the thing that I don't love.
And then, like, your aunt and uncle are coming to take them to the party.
And you're like, oh, it's a light show for me.
I will say, I did check myself when, like, I think it was a couple years ago.
Like, a few of us were in your dressing room just, like, having the time.
And I think it was, like, a week where you were having a hard time.
And you came and we were just like.
What do you mean?
Just because, like, you don't want to be like, what do you mean? Just because like,
you don't want to be like,
woo,
like,
come on,
get them up on our level
when it's like,
I am at work still.
And I do respect that.
I'm sorry,
I didn't have deodorant.
I'll get,
I just felt bad because I reeked.
You needed to have a little basket
like in a wedding reception ladies room
with like mints,
deodorant.
Oh yeah.
I have brother's pastilles.
I'm going to get mints and deodorant. He does have brother's pastilles. Does everyone know where you got the brother's pastilles? Yeah, deodorant. Oh, yeah. I have brother's pastilles. I'm going to get mints and deodorant.
He does have brother's pastilles.
Does everyone know where you got
the brother's pastilles?
Yeah, and tampons.
Yeah, and tampons.
Cynthia Erivo gave me brother's pastilles.
Cynthia Erivo gave him
the best singer lozenge in the world.
Yeah, it's great.
Ayo Devery, also big brother's pastilles.
Big brother's pastilles, yeah.
Yeah, she had them at Taylor Reade.
Well, I'm sorry.
I will do my best to...
No, I'm kidding.
I just didn't want to smell so bad. That's okay. And also, I'm being a little like do my best to. No, I'm kidding. I just didn't want to smell so bad.
That's okay.
And also, I'm being a little like,
I'm erring on the side of caution.
I don't think so, honey,
because I got absolutely dragged
for the one I did last week,
which was people should not be
riding Taylor Swift so hard
for the private jet usage.
Oh, yeah.
Because you don't want her
to ride commercial.
I saw that, and you're like,
what is she going to fly?
Is she going to be in the Delta lounge?
In the Delta lounge.
Yeah.
I was teasing everyone,
and the girls absolutely dragged me.
Because I'm harmful.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm harmful.
You're the real problem.
I'm the real problem.
Apologize to everyone.
I've got one.
Okay, Bo Nyang.
I might be biting my hand.
Oh, baby.
We'll see.
This is Bo Nyang's I Don't Think So Honey.
Time starts now.
I Don't Think So Honey,
my co-host doing ads for The Tiger's Apprentice,
now streaming on Paramount+,
and naming off the cast list,
Henry Golding, Greta Lee, Sandra Oh, Michelle Yeoh,
but no mention of Bowen Yang.
I didn't.
I normally don't mind.
Okay.
But I, it's my own podcast.
I'm giving Paramount a platform.
I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times.
I went to go see Mean Girls the musical in 2024. I'm a supporterount a platform. I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times. I went to go see Mean Girls the musical in 2024.
I'm a supporter of Paramount, of CBS, of Viacom.
I've had many wonderful experiences working with Viacom, CBS.
And I can't even get a damn mention in the ads
and the promo material for this movie
that I had a great time doing.
I play Sidney the rat.
It's a movie where the 12 animals of the Chinese Zodiac
team up to fight an evil in San Francisco.
Michelle Yeoh plays the villain.
A mutual co-worker with our guest, Tina.
But Paramount, please put me in the damn credits.
And that's one minute.
I personally like to apologize
for not improvising in the ad that you were in.
But I don't think, but deadass,
you did not know that I was in that movie. No, deadass, I do know that you're in the movie, but you know what it personally like to apologize for not improvising in the ad that you were in. But deadass, you did not know that I was in that movie.
No, deadass, I do know that you're in the movie,
but you know what it's like to do ads, and this is sort of a peek behind the curtain. It usually happens
at the end of a podcast when you just want to leave.
Until you're like, coming soon to Paramount
Plus. It's going to be everyone but Bowen. Alright,
see you later, everybody. I
apologize. I didn't go to the mat for you.
When I Love That For You came out and we were doing
I Love That For You, I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that. I just want to say, when I love that for you came out and we were doing answer, I love that for you. I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that.
I just expected better from you.
I expected better from you is one of the hardest, harshest things to get.
Can you imagine if Amy said that to you?
If your best friend and company partner said, I expected better from you on the air.
Oh my gosh.
That's rough.
No, I expect better from myself. I'm sorry. sorry and from now on I will always say your name I'll sneak
your name into projects you're not even in thank you and then maybe just like and you have deodorant
for me let's have each other's backs more in the future because this is a magic here and there's a
music there's a music I've always known it that's an equivalent exchange you're the Tina and Amy of
your generation you know what what? Don't. Don't.
Should we host the Globes?
By the way, yes,
you should host the Globes together.
That room is going to be like, who the
fuck are those guys? No, no.
Two Joe Coys. They'll be like, who?
No. They're like, who is that
guy? They would be like, it's Joel
Kimbooster. Yeah, yeah. Because that keeps
happening to you guys.
And Zachary Quinto. I said to Bowen, I was like, they would be like, it's Joel Kim Booster. Yeah, yeah. Because that keeps happening to you guys. And they'll be like that.
And Zachary Quinto.
Zachary Quinto.
No, but you really should do it
because together
is so much more fun.
I would love to do it
with someone,
with you.
I'm throwing our name in there.
I was like,
yeah, we're going to do it.
And Bowen was like,
no, not the Globes.
And I was like,
well, I think they're back.
I think now we know they're back.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, they're back.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you ready for this? I think so.
Okay, so I will say I was like
I was kind of sweating this because
I, you know, again, 53
I have nothing but opinions, right?
I have violent opinions about everything, but I'm also
constantly afraid of getting in trouble.
Do you want to audition some?
No, I think I'm in an okay area now,
but also like I do have backups if we do it
and you'd be like, no, do a different one.
If we're like, no, you'll get crucified for that.
But I was thinking about my own fear of crucifixion.
And it led me to my choice of topic.
Okay, here we go.
Okay, and I may look at my phone because I'm old.
You have to.
This is Tina Fey's I Don't Think So, Honey.
Time starts now.
I Don't Think So, Honey.
Bowen Yang giving his real opinions about movies on this podcast.
I regret to inform you that you are too famous now, sir.
What's going to happen?
You having a problem with salt burn?
Quiet luxury.
Keep it to yourself because what are you going to do when Emerald Fennell calls you about her next project
where you play Carrie Mulligan's co-worker
in the bridal section of Harrods
and then act three takes a sexually violent turn
and you have to pretend to be surprised by that turn.
You have to have a clean paper trail, nothing negative.
Everything everyone does is amazing, okay?
You hang out with Ariana and Spongebob.
Now that is your life.
Okay. And Matt Rogers,
I can tell you, you got about one year left.
And then you, yes. Learn from my
mistakes. Learn from IO. Podcasts
are forever.
Authenticity is dangerous and expensive.
I don't think so, honey.
That's what it is.
That's an all-timer.
And you know, they're starting to come for us
the people that listen to this
and like they don't say
their real opinions
and it's like
yeah I don't think
that anyone needs that
but sometimes
it gets hard
it gets harder
I know I bet it does
and then they're also
digging through our stuff
and being like
well there was a period
when they didn't like Taylor Swift
yeah there was actually a period
where they didn't like them
so to hear them be so
sycophantic now
is really crazy
they call us bootlickers.
I'm like, you guys, it's a walk doing this.
And it's a dangerous dance.
Yes.
And it's impossible.
It's really crazy because the fact is we do have strong opinions about almost everything.
And that's what people want.
Want and why it's authentic.
But also.
What do I do when Emerald calls?
What are you going to do when?
Yeah.
But I personally
and I cannot expect
this of everyone
if someone's not a fan
of one thing
that I've done
if someone was like
I didn't love Fire Island
I'll be like
no problem
I'll still be in a sketch
with you
I'll still like
take a meet
you know what I mean
yeah but if Emerald Fennell
if I'll still take a meeting
if Emerald Fennell
had gotten on a podcast and absolutely destroyed Fire Island
and said, this is bad, I didn't get the performances,
and Emerald Fennell said the words, I don't think Bowen Yang has ever pulled it off,
you would feel crazy.
I would feel crazy, but I'd be like, that's not, I was like, no problem.
But she's entitled, that Emerald.
I forgot my one note that I didn't get to as the bottom was going to be,
I don't, listen, I don't expect you to stand with Dave Chappelle at good night.
I'm not a monster.
I'm not crazy,
but I do need you
to hug Mark Cuban
like he is your
long lost father.
Like Jimmy did.
And also,
why did Jimmy do that?
Why was Jimmy
hugging Mark Cuban
like they won
the Super Bowl together?
Jimmy was so happy.
I know,
but Jimmy was so nice
and he sent me
milk bar cookies.
Well,
that's why Jimmy's the best
because he's capable of joy.
Oh my God.
No,
and we need that.
And I was, by the way, people are like reading me for like in the very good talk show sketch,
like looking agitated.
And I was like, no, I was like playing in the sketch and being like, oh, there's the
guests are supposed to be like a little perplexed.
I was like, you guys.
But that was fantastic.
Honestly, this is a genuine question.
How would you do this podcast?
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're us, how would you continue to do this podcast, which started in 2016 when we thought there's no way anyone will ever listen to it even once.
And we sort of established this thing of like, we see things, we talk about it, we're honest, we have our little fun with things in the pop culture.
And then all of a sudden, that does become hard because someone who might be a dear sister to you might be not of a board.
Right.
I mean, I do think you guys are thoughtful and gentle.
And if you say you don't like something, it's not just to be jerks.
Sure.
Obviously, we're very thoughtful about those movies.
But it does become a thing where it's like, oh, do you want to be people who keep it real and have their podcast forever?
Or do you want to be goddamn movie stars?
Oh, my God.
What if it's the former?
Then I think we're doing amazing. Then you're doing amazing. or do you want to be goddamn movie stars? Oh my God. What if it's the former? Then go,
then,
then I think we're doing amazing.
Then you're doing amazing.
But like my,
like my,
my trail of mistakes
lives behind me
like fucking
Jacob Marley's train.
Like just chains of shame.
Like I,
from like,
oh,
I'll just use this real name
from my high school
in New York.
Like,
and then hit this person
like that wasn't even,
it just like, I like their name
like it's nothing
to do with them
yes
and then I'm like
that's a level of shame
and you hear they're now
going impatient
because of what you've done
I mean god forbid
and then like
just and then like
update jokes
that you're like
I'll do it
I don't care
and then you're like
oh right
and then yeah like
so many kinds of
of these mistakes
that you're like
why did I right especially the thing with the IO thing it's like so many kinds of these mistakes that you're like, why did I?
Right.
What?
Especially the thing with the Ayo thing.
It's like, so someone like J-Lo is so famous and has been so famous for such a long time
that literally everyone in the world has said something probably incredibly positive and
negative about her just because that's like a colloquialism almost.
And so for her to get dragged so much for this,
not only do I think it's like uncool,
but I'm like, guys, this is not a Pandora's box you want to open of let's dig up everything
everyone said on the internet.
No kidding.
It will be an apocalypse.
That sketch was like, why did you say it?
That was funny too.
That was great.
They threw that line in after Friday,
after that news broke.
It was just fortuitous
or the opposite
in terms of like,
it's Ayo and J-Lo
being on the same bill
for SNL.
Like, that's the only reason
they got together.
Yeah, that's like,
even that is just like,
guys, it's just,
I don't think anyone's
going to stand by
every single thing
they've ever said.
And it is tough.
And then when a lot of people
do start listening,
there is a weird rub.
And so like, honestly,
that I don't think so, honey,
comes at a really interesting time
because I'm thinking about it a lot. Yeah yeah I catch it all the time and like I honestly
also sometimes I only ever think don't take my opinion seriously I'm like a dummy with a podcast
like I'm just trying to have fun with this but people do take it very seriously that's not up to
you and that's not up to me and also like however and I've never heard I've literally never heard
from like an artist or anyone that's
done anything out there and said what you said on your podcast
really hurt me but like
I don't know if I were to hear that
I would definitely certainly feel bad
like I don't want anyone
to feel anything but good after having
listened to it but it is a thing
yeah that was a good
impartment you've imparted
on us it's been so long since we've been imparted on
open a window, we imparted in here
oh yeah
to be imparted in this way
we needed it
this was just a joy and a half
what a delight to talk to you
I enjoy the podcast so much
thank you for even saying that
truly, this was wish fulfillment
for us to say the least
to even have you here
and even know
who the hell you are
so this was
absolute pleasure
oh my gosh
we love you
we love you a lot
and oh by the way
get tickets to the show
is it all sold out
the Beacon might be sold out
we have some
we still have a show
coming in like Seattle
thank you for knowing that
in Portland
there might still be tickets
because we have to go back
because the city froze
and we had to cancel the show.
But everyone who was mad on Twitter,
if you couldn't get to the show
that still happened,
you can,
I think you can get tickets.
Like we're not,
we're doing the right thing.
So everyone calm down.
Calm down,
we're doing the right thing.
It's really good for number eight.
Calm down,
we're doing the right thing.
That's just generally applicable.
And then let me see,
what else should I be professional about?
Oh, yeah, Girls 5 Ever.
Meredith Scardino's amazing show.
Oh, it's so good.
All three seasons come to Netflix,
so you can see Bowen Yang.
You can see so many wonderful people.
I believe March 14th.
I hope I'm right about that.
March 14th.
Yeah.
One of our dearest friends, Matt Whitaker.
Oh, the best.
I love Matt Whitaker.
I still text with him sometimes.
He's a big, we saw Appropriate the other night on Broadway together.
He's a great theater going friend.
Yes, he is great.
Yes.
He sees everything.
He sees it all.
And then Mean Girls 2024.
Mean Girls 2024.
My mom and aunt saw it the other night and their review was this.
We loved it.
You know, it was different because it was a musical.
Yeah.
And I said that it was. Yeah, that was one because it was a musical. Yeah. And I said,
that it was.
Yeah, that was one of the ones
that I was like,
oh, I can't do this
and I'll get trolled.
I wanted to be like,
I don't think so, honey.
Little Broadway cunts
on TikTok
complaining about
two lines of Revenge Party
when I bring you
fucking Rene Rapp.
I bring you
Ali Iqravalo,
Jaquel Spivey.
This is why we can't
have nice things.
Avantika? Avantika. Avantika. She showed up to can't have nice things. How do I say Avantika?
Avantika.
Avantika.
She showed up to the after party
yesterday.
I was like, she did?
I was like, that's fucking,
that's her.
Yeah, when the real,
the original movie came out,
she wasn't born.
No, this is,
see, and I wonder
if that's going to happen
is like now we're going
to start watching it
and it's going to look like
in terms of fashion,
like really dated.
And I'm going to be like,
oh my God, no,
it's becoming the clueless
of it all.
Where you watch Clueless now and you're like, oh, can you imagine why wearing that? It's going to be like oh my god no it's becoming the clueless of it all where you watch Clueless now and you're
like oh can you imagine
why wearing that
it's going to be like
that so soon
no no but for me
like the fashions of
those movies are like
Frozen and Amber
you know what I mean
it's like it's so
because they're all
back now
if you walk out the room
looking like Sharon Dion
you'll get the coolest
bitch at the party
it's not even the
loop back around
it's just like
that just kind of
looks cool in the
world of the movie
anyway
okay we end every
episode with a song
it's not my fault you can't have a single date with me it's not my fault just kind of looks cool in the world of the movie. Anyway. Okay, we end every episode with a song.
It's not my fault.
You can't have it.
Sing only with me.
It's not my fault.
Now, who wouldn't want to fall in love with me?
I haven't moved.
Are you off book?
No, I don't know.
Okay, well, you should be off book.
You should be off book.
Readers.
Bye.
Bye.
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