Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Great White Voice" (w/ Bonnie Milligan)

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

Sound the alarm and belt to the high heavens because, God?! Today on the podcast is Bonnie Milligan! The star of the incredible hit Broadway musical Kimberly Akimbo joins Matt & Bowen after some quick updates (we did not yet watch #ReFroWeHo, Matt went to Sundance and Disney World, Bowen battled through a cold to play George Santos) to talk working with legends like Victoria Clark, Jeanine Tesori and David Lindsay Abaire on this new show, vocal health and making good choices while singing *and* speaking, the value of both being and being *around* a loud laugher, the great diva voices of the 90's, The Rocky Horror Picture Show as an influence on little performances at recess, and the journey that Bonnie (who currently holds the distinction of singing the highest belted note on Broadway) took to finally realize herself as a BELTRESS. Also, the girls witchily predict Andrea Riseborough's Best Actress Oscar nomination for To Leslie and love even more on two It Girls of the moment: M3GAN and Stephanie Hsu (CONGRATULATIONS, FLARGE!) They also get into "snub" culture, "sirens in pop songs" culture, and ask the question on everyone's lips: when the hell can we watch A Diva's Christmas Carol starring Vanessa Williams as Ebony Scrooge?! Listening to this ep? Will make your life... better! #IYKYK See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. Oh, wow. Bowen? I already have failed the pod mission this year. What? Which is that I have not yet started The Real Friends of West Hollywood. Oh, I haven't either.

Okay. Right on the same page, hon. Do we just abandon that now? Because can I tell you, the poor person who was working the social media for the show. Oh, God. Beleaguered. Beleaguered.

But there it is. God bless, because they're really leaning into it. They tweeted, Wow, you guys. 50,000 people watched the first episode. I think it was 20. 20? It was 20.

Bonnie knows. Oh, my God. It was was 20 and so they tweeted this and then there was another tweet where they were like we know we're not as fun as drag race but stick around after it's like yeah it was it was we know you're not as excited as we are yes yes which i think is an interesting way to respond to the quote unquote backlash because it's honestly like i don't know if responding to negativity with negativity is necessarily a winning strategy if we're to look to time i don't know if that's ever resulted in something uh sorry to say but hashtag better if you know you know that's a reference to our guest today but i I will say that I was not one of the 50,000 people,

not because I didn't want to, as you know, Bono. 20, whatever it is. Two zero. Whatever many thousands of people, or however few thousands of people it was, I was not one just because I was at the Sundance Film Festival this weekend. My God. And so there was no time to stop for the real friends of WeHo.

I was with the real filmmakers of Park City. Oh my God. You want to share about Sundance before we get into it with our guests? Well, I was there on a branded partnership. Thank you very much. And I did not get to see any movies, but I did have boots on the ground,

ears to the ground about what was well-received. We want to say a huge congrats to friends of the pod, Ben Platt, Molly Gordon, Patty Harrison. Noah Galvin has not been on the pod yet but will be one day soon and they have Theater Camp which was rapturously well received and produced by our producer Will Ferrell. We love.

So that was received very well. I also heard that Anne Hathaway is quite the lesbian in the film Eileen and Anne Hathaway sort of had the what they say is kids gagging on the carpet up at Sundance because she was wearing a big puffy coat. She was bearing her legs and then boots. And she was giving how you do Sundance red carpets. And I heard she plays quite a lesbian in this movie, Eileen. Quite a lesbian. That was really what was relevant to my

interest on the ground in sundance a gorgeous tiny city that pretends it's quaint but is extremely corporate and we gotta figure it out you wait in more lines at sundance than you do at walt disney world wow in orlando florida but that being said it is where i was the week prior. So I went from Orlando to Park City. And that was a one-two punch of maximalism. The climate whiplash. And my neck is definitely hurting. But Bowen, you had quite the weekend.

I was fighting a nasty cold. You did? You guys, I could feel my voice slipping through my fingers on Friday. And I was like, I need to have this voice. Mamma mia, slipping through your fingers. I was doing shots of olive oil. I've never-

That's what they say to do. Is it? Because Bonnie's making a face. We did not have access to like a steam inhaler. I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I think maybe it's not shots of olive oil. Yeah. But we're gonna ask our guests in a little bit. Yeah, and we have what I'm sure is a vocal health expert

here, and so we're all going to... We need to consult the professionals here. We have one with us today. Listen, I just want to say one other thing, which was, Beau, that episode with Aubrey Plaza was fucking good. The Megan 2.0 sketch, shout out to Jimmy Fallon. That was very funny. Kira O'Sullivan, Chloe Fineman,

Ken Siblet, Alison Gates. A lovely piece. And your George Santos, we're going to call it a George Santos runner, was absolutely fab. I think it's a flash in the pan. I think I would... We hope.

I hope that we don't see him for much longer. I hope that it's a quick burnout with that one. Because I'm already really exhausted i'm exhausted yeah we're exhausted aren't we we're exhausted we really are and so this voice that resonantly sort of has been in the background but can't help but sort of spring forth is one of one of the most talented people on what they call bow in the great white way yeah now that's actually a rule of culture about broadway is they call it the great white way and which rule of culture is that 65 it's rule of culture number 65 broadway they call it the great white way yeah and there is a great white voice on it right now and title of f great white great white voice it's true a legacy a legacy

there has been on Broadway a legacy of great white voices that's another rule of culture that's really closer number 66 there has been a legacy on Broadway of great white voices and this is no different because Kimberly Akimbo bo you're fresh from the fight i'm fresh from the fight i loved this show so so much i just it's fab fab and i just shot up out of my seat at the end i was like god it's so refreshing like it's been so long since i've seen like a lean cast like this yeah all doing such incredible work I mean every person so wonderfully occupying this stage together and I mean our guest is yeah such a highlight of the show and we're gonna get into this later but like the speaking voice itself

on its own just you could really take a bath in it just gorgeous and smooth and okay as people make up that barbara says this like butter like butter and it also not for nothing but real comedy real jokes i mean i i don't think i've been to like a broadway performance that i was like really blown away by how real and current and hard the humor felt like, I can't say enough. It also features a lead performance from Victoria Clark, who is a legend,

who is certainly giving one of the best performances on Broadway right now, just like our guest, who you also know from head over heels. If you came to our Las Cotteristas culture awards, you were lucky enough to see our guests and friend of the pod the icon natalie walker sing record of the year nominee all i want for christmas is you live and sing the notes for best note ever song yes that was quite the sequence in the show you know her her from Search Party. Listen, if I have anything to say about it, Tony Frontrunner this year.

Tony Frontrunner this year. We're saying it now. Great. Okay, okay. So everyone, please welcome into your ears, Bonnie Milligan! My voice cracked. I can't believe I had a vocalist on the show

and my voice cracked while I shouted her name in the intro. Bonnie Milligan! Bonnie Milligan! Shots of olive oil, good or bad? What's your recommendation? I feel like when you're losing your voice, first of all, vocal rest is going to be your best bet. Yeah, of course. Some steam up your immune system.

I'm a big fan of vitamins, of wellness formula from Whole Foods. I don't know. It might be a placebo effect, but I feel stronger. Yes, yes, yes. I don't take anything when I'm not in a show. And then when I'm in a show, I'm like, okay, I got to take this.

Oregano oil is a big one. It breaks up mucus and stuff. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's rough. After you put that on your tongue, it feels like you're swallowing a slice of pizza without the good pizza part of it. Damn.

And that's your breath for a while. That's rough. Some tea, a tea I recommend called throat coat. Yeah, I love throat coat. We love throat coat. If you don't have any tea around, you just have hot water, put like four,

one of those original Ricolas that are made with honey in there and stir it around and like this is amazing that is oh my god victoria clark really that's from victoria clark herself vicky that's from vicky clark herself the vicky tea after i saw you i got to meet victoria clark and that was a moment in time and she's cool as hell you would have to bow and she was so excited also her husband was in the show and he was like bowen yang was here i was like i know i invited him i'm so sorry i got i i was with josh sharp and we got up and left because my phone was undone i love sharp too oh my god bonnie got to meet house bonnie met patrick rogers bonnie met patrick rogers i mean this is a phenomenal

show everyone go see it the hashtag better reference earlier is a reference to a song the bonnie sings streaming now on spotify streaming now on spotify it's so good oh it's janine tesori david lindsey ober their genius yes the genius says janine tesori, David Lindsay-Aber, they're genius. Yes. The genius says that. Janine Tesori, man. The versatility. Yeah. I mean, look at all of her scores. She goes from Thoroughly Modern Millie to Violet to Fun Home to... Mama Shrek. Shrek Mama.

Carolina Change. Yeah, Carolina Change. Wow. Come on. That's all her. That's crazy. And David Lindsay-Aber and her wrote Shrek together. So that team wrote Shrek and then and David Lindsay and her wrote Shrek together so that team

wrote Shrek and then wrote Kimbo giving range do you think she thinks of Shrek as her greatest work I think absolutely

I never got to see it me neither I never saw it that's a sudden performance that like I missed out on for the longest time the pro shot was on netflix i

don't know if it's still out there really look into it i remember this i am a huge fan of a pro shot i love a pro shot i love a pro shot there's a time where um you could go to god what is it i guess it's like lincoln center yes lincoln center and you could see like every pro shot of any show ever you had to give like a weird reason like, oh, I'm researching for a paper. Are you? No. For the paper. Ma'am, hand over anything goes. Hand it over.

No, I'm not writing a paper about Patti LuPone not tapping, but we don't care if she's belting. I'm not writing a paper. Hand me the tape. Is that drama that Patti LuPone didn't tap because she was belting so much as Reno Sweeney? No, I say, why would she? Let her sing. Let her sing. I think belting so much as no i say why would she let her sing let her say i think it's so funny like she comes down she's like i think she did tap a

little but it just makes me laugh that they would like pretend to make that happen i'm like just let the woman stand and bark no one's gonna be mad no one's mad i want to hear it but speaking of sutton then you have sutton who does tap the whole fucking thing and it's godly. It's a spiritual experience. Fact. Fact. Wait, why do you say there used to be a time that you could go to Link? Can you not do that anymore? I haven't tried it. I mean, who knows? I'm sure you can. I bet you still can.

I think I said used to be a time because we were in college when that was a thing. I associate it with being something in the past. You know what I mean? I associate it with a something in the past you know what i mean like i associate it with a different time in new york has new york changed the topic of discussion has new york changed there used to be more vapianos so yes it has oh so sad it has it has changed it has it has gotten for the better hashtag better hashtag that number is so big and great

and amazing but we were talking about like so the vocal quality the entire time obviously that song comes and it is just an absolute barn burner and you tear the whole house down but what i love about your performance so much is you play like the aunt in the show and she comes in and she's like already like her presence precedes her in this way where it's just like oh this is going to be a character that's going to knock down the house like you know what i mean like this is going to be like a rambunctious moment and then you come in and the vocal choice is so soft the whole time and it really is just how you speak now and i would imagine that on the page they're sort of insinuating

that this is going to be like a larger than life character especially because you know it's written in the way that it is in the big numbers that you get like i wonder about the choice to play this the way that you did well for me it's it is funny because you know it was a play first and so when david lindsey a bear was talking about how it was always played in the play version was like a steamroller, you know, big, bold, takes over everything. And they're like, what you brought into it was a pickpocket. And, but I don't notice my wallet's gone until I'm on the train. And then Janine Tesori was like, but you left like a wrapped candy.

And I was like, exactly. You're welcome. So I look at it as like, I'm giving you Harold Hill and Kimberly Kimballball I'm a con woman I I'm like Pied Piper with the kids the best part about better is when the show choir is like that looks fun let me start singing and I'm like okay oh I can use this all right yes dance live okay um that she's gonna read people and see what they need wait for the people that don't know the show though can, can you elevator pitch it? Because I'm realizing they may not understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure. So Victoria Clark plays a teenage girl

who has a fictional aging disease that ages her like four and a half times faster than normal. So she is turning 16, but she's in the body of like somebody who looks like she's in her 60s. And the average life expectancy of this disease is 16. So she's nearing her birthday. Her family's a mess.

Her dad's an alcoholic. Her mom's a narcissist with two casts because she got double carpal tunnel surgery. But does she still need the cast? We don't know. She's so obsessed with herself that she's kind of like, she's so obsessed with herself that she's kind of the adult in the home. I play her mom's sister, who is a fun-loving con artist

who comes into town about 25 minutes into the show. And I have a big scam that I want to recruit Kimberly for. And doing that, my first big number, I'm like, I don't want to wait like to make money to like get a ticket and you shouldn't wait either you know wink wink babe you ain't got a lot of time um and if you want what I love about her is she just makes stuff happen she's a you know she's surviving so I got to do something well I'm not educated i've clearly been in prison a few times um you make it happen for yourself nobody else is gonna help you is like the lesson i tried to

teach her like your mom's not gonna take you to disneyland babe you gotta take yourself yeah and how you gonna do that and so you gotta do this illegal scheme with me you gotta do a quick mail check washing scheme with me it's casual it's gonna be fun and so i think the one real person she cares about is kimberly and uh and i come back into her life uh to get her to do this and then all of a sudden she's like a teenage girl who i don't know about you too i have like a niece i remember who like worshiped me and then became an age where it was like not so cool. And I think Kimmy's in that place. So Debra's in this weird flux of what do I do? Like, oh, God, I got to give her this pitch, you know, and that's the song that we keep talking about is the pitch to have her join my scam.

I mean, the show really obviously activates in terms of like there being this like break into action when deborah shows up but god like you really do like carry the comedy so well as soon as you walk on stage like josh and i are just like okay like we're off to the races like bonnie's coming in with like these like micro expressions and like god it's just so effortless coming from you and you really are one of those performers who like can just spin the comedy plate just as well as like the belting plate like you have this incredible voice on top of

like knowing how to deliver so many fun moments it's a very confident thing to be quiet in the comedy especially I would imagine on Broadway but that's what's fun i remember we were in rehearsal and janine tesori was like i just love that you undercut when i don't expect it and you get bigger and she's like i your comedy is unexpected and it's

just it's really fun she wrote um the top of act two is me teaching the kids how to wash checks it's called how to wash a check she wrote it for me she's like because you brought this like sensuality in this like like this pulled back knit like and i was like i gotta be cool you know like i gotta be this energy that the kids want to start singing with me yeah or that kimmy who doesn't have friends like they want to be her friends with her because like that woman's crazy but she's also kind of fun to be around you know what i mean like yeah i horrify them in one moment and then they want to be her friends with her because like that woman's crazy but she's also kind of fun to be around you know what i mean like yeah i horrify them in one moment and then they want to be around me in the next it's like yeah what is that so i don't think that's loud loud loud big big big i don't be around that but i want to be around somebody that's like exciting and like unexpected

and so i think that's where that sort of came from. I'm like an actor first. So everything just comes from that place. Like, well, what is the moment? Like, what am I doing? So I'm not going to be big all the time. I'm going to do this. And it's, it is really fun. I'm like, okay, they want me to be a little extra naughty. Like, this is fun. And some that are like, oh, God, that's a matinee. You know what I'm like? I'm still going to mess with you, but in a little different way now. Like, it's fun. It like keeps it fresh. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back.

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we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, wait, can I ask a question? And this is maybe wrong, but I find that i try to avoid matinees because i feel like inherently in a matinee there's going to be a more relaxed matinee-ish let's say energy but is that true as someone who's performing matinees all the time as well as night shows like is there a difference between a matinee and a evening performance i can't say like for a hundred percent but i do think in general, a lot of less so on Sundays because it's like, you know, the last show that we, like it's a

three o'clock as opposed to like a Wednesday matinee is typically quieter, but sometimes we'll have a rowdy one because a lot of shows don't do Wednesday mats. They may do like a Sunday double show instead. So we have like other actors present, you know, and then they can liven up a crowd. Also our show, while incredibly funny, is also really deep. It's like life, right? So some audiences are just really listening. And so it's like, oh my God, it's comedy. Please laugh. And then I know there's tears too, but come on. And I'll leave. I'll be like, well, that audience hated us. And I come out, it's comedy, please laugh. And then I know there's tears too, but come on and I'll leave. I'll be like, well, that audience hated us.

And I come out and it's like cheers and insanity. Like they loved it. They were just really leaning in. And I remember one time I was, you know, very close to the front of the stage is when I give Kimmy her birthday gift. And I'm, you know, like sometimes it's big laughs and sometimes it's not. You're just...

Oh, I love this moment. Yeah. This is the pine cone? The pine cone. So, you know, I've been in the woods, and I don't have a job. So, I've been toting around a giant pine cone I saw that I was like, how cool is this? She would love this. And I'm really proud of it. And it's like, and so I wrap it in toilet paper. I don't have wrapping paper. And so, you know, I handed this thing really proud, and it's like and so i wrap it in toilet paper i don't have wrapping paper and so you know i handed this thing really proud and everybody's like what it's a pine cone like it's giant it's

a giant pine cone i think it's such a great comedy because you you play that down too you're like it's a pine cone and i'm like josh and i were laughing yeah but one matinee this guy i could hear he was you know i'm so close to the front row. And I just out of my periphery, because I don't really like to look into the audience during the show. I saw him like holding himself. I mean, like, and I was like, let it out. It's okay. You know, like, in general, sometimes the matinees are quieter, but it's not 100%.

Yeah. It's actually what's really indicative of that was we were there patrick and i were there and we have loud laughs and we were watching it like a comedy show i know the fire alarm is going off in the background guys i just got an email that it's going to be like this all day unfortunately damn it so i'm going to mute myself when i speak but this is and leave this in for the readers because this is real life and i don't speak but let me just say in terms of noises being made in terms of noises being

made me and my friend Patrick were laughing very loud and a much older woman turned to us and scolded us and said you need to stop and I said no and I said I said in a calm voice no you need to stop and she turned back around and she stopped and she did not get back in my face

but I did say kindly I was like no you need to stop it she turned back around and she stopped and she did not get back in my face but i did say kindly i was like no no stop it's a show i'm sure you weren't being that disruptive i was laughing at the jokes so i have the loudest laugh so when i see shows like i know like that's what we want to hear like if it's written to be friends, you're supposed to laugh and you're going to get a better show from the actors on stage. The more attentive you are, because like we're always giving because, you know, we're professionals. But it's a little more fun when the audience is raucous and you're like, OK, you know, like it brings something else out of me. They're a part of the show. You're a part of the show. You're a part of the experience. And so I will laugh so loud and I often get scolded and I'm like,

and I will look at people and I go, it's funny. Period. Period. Bowen and I are loud laughers. Bowen, you can hear from a mile away laugh. And it's one of my favorite things. It's a caustic laugh. I did hear you a few times yesterday and it felt my heart.

Because it was good and funny. Come what are you gonna do what do you want from us yeah at the end i was really sobbing i mean i can't even say enough to everyone we enjoyed this so much you will laugh you will cry you will scream you will gasp yeah yeah it's one of those why it's so good i think why it's resonated with so many people like it came out off broadway at the atlantic theater last year for a couple months and it was one of the first shows post pandemic and it this message in the show that like nobody gets a second time around so like what are you gonna do with the life that you have? It was so resonated with everybody because it's like, wow, yeah. And we all, everybody lost something, whether it was an actual person, a job, a livelihood, just regular life. I mean, probably the super rich who have like mansions and tennis courts and pools were fine.

But guess what? The rest of us, all you know lost something and it was really scary and so to go into this show that's like and what vicky does is just so magical like you really like see her as a teenager like this beautiful soul like you root for her um that you laugh a lot yeah you cry because you get connected and what i love about it that's david lindsey bear i mean i guess he's got. And what I love about it, that's David Lindsay-Bear. I mean, I guess he's got a Pulitzer for a reason. But, like, that's life.

It's not just one thing. God, the range on him, like, too. Like, to go from, like, rabbit hole. Rabbit hole, yeah. I was going to say. Into this. I mean, like, also about, like, loss or grief or something. Yeah.

Mortality. But, like, to write a role role that like victoria was able to so beautifully render like she never characterizes like the youth she never like makes being a teenager seem like cloying or you know at all just like um not to describe a broadway show in this way because it feels so minimizing but it's like it is like a vibe it is like wow there's something so tender about this in every aspect that i thought was really really lovely i could see it as a film i mean when i was watching it i was like i can 100 see this adapted for the screen yeah for sure god is it is it really going sorry man is it really going

on the entire time i haven't been home so i just got an email that was like, it will be till 4pm throughout the day and the power will also be off during this time. So that's just kind of like what I'm experiencing right now, what I'm sort of living right now. Can we make an announcement? I think Matt is on his last dregs

with LA. I'm out of here. I think he's out of there. I'm kind of out of here because I have a new boyfriend, Lenny. He lives in New York. I miss all my friends in New York. I don't think I'll have an apartment in New York that sort of does this. You might.

I mean, Bowen doesn't live in the dreamscape either. I don't. I don't. Are you even thinking bi-coastal? I'm thinking bi-coastal, but... And also, I'll say this. I love seeing shows. I like going to things.

In New York, you do that. That's one of the things I've really loved about going to New York is being able to see everything incredible that's happening there. The culture, if you will. The culture exists in New York, and it does not exist in LA. And I'm not knocking it. I'm just sitting here while the fire alarm blares in the background thinking about how

you know. Oh, and it left. Okay, so that's going to happen. And like, so let me jump in now just to say it's gone and we're feeling good. Have you been, how long have you been in New York, Bonnie? You must have been pumping the streets many years. Oh, God.

I have been here 14 years. Okay. And that's more than 10, which makes you an official New Yorker. Congrats. Thank you. Oh, 15. God, it's been 15. Yeah, 15.

We're on similar timelines. I think we, Matt and I moved here in 2008. Correct, 2008. Which is right around the time that you sort of have realized what the culture is that made you say culture was for you. Wouldn't you say, Beau? I would say this. I would say so, yes. So I guess this is time for us to ask Bonnie the question that we ask all of our guests, which is, Bonnie Milligan,

what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? So I have like a split answer on this. I think in general, what I realized. I love to split. Right? We love to split right we love a split i grow up you know as like a kid of the 90s and something that like immediately it was like this is for me were the divas of the 90s like yes mariah whitney celine reba why did i know every word to fancy when i was like eight

years old because it's called taste thank you and you knew you had one chance, Fancy. Don't let Reba down. Don't let her down. Don't let me down. I would love to hear you perform that, actually. Yeah. I have. And I will right now.

No, it's going to be off. But I can. I love, love, love Celine. I loved your rant about her not being on Rolling Stone because I agree. Truly. As a singer, was that not the most insane thing you'd ever heard? Actually, I can't because I'll get upset. So that was absolutely something I was like, that culture is for me. Divadom. And big voices and living your life. And I was so little and I was like, got it. Kind of connected to that. So I grew up in a double-way trailer

in the midwest daughter of a preacher poor etc yeah and it's not like it wasn't like i forget which one is secular and non-secular i don't remember which one means what secular means non-religious non-religious yes i wasn't like not restricted clearly i just named all those divas um but you weren't like watching racy things anyway my best friend in fourth grade fourth grade her favorite movie was rocky horror and i went over to her house her mom had like an album of like an actual record um we would listen to it we would watch the movie and my mind was like whoa so that was like this is also for me there's like giant like oh my god we played it on the playground we're like let's play rocky

ford like i knew every word i lived my life um that's so weird and it's amazing and i always wanted to be magenta because she seemed the most fun and i would usually get stuck playing like the janet i'd be like i don't want to play janet you wanted magenta yeah oh my god that's a character actress's heart okay and so i i remember i was sitting at home it was like some saturday and i had the remote i was flipping through my dad the preacher you know sitting behind me and it was like on vh1 and so i like paused because it was like oh my god my favorite movie the thing i play every day. My dad's like, no, no, no. Keep going. You're not allowed to watch that.

And I was like, yes. OK, that looks crazy. Did he understand what Rocky Horror was? Yes, he'd seen it. And he was like, no, like there's cursing. There's to touch me. I want to be dirty. Definitely saying that on the playground.

What? But like we didn't know. But you know what I mean? Like he was like, no, we're not watching that. I was like that i was like okay wow but see like what harm is it really doing if we as children don't know what it means like that's my there's no harm exactly i mean no harm there's a fine line i bet like we shouldn't be like you don't want to hear a kid singing about like something too illicit but then you're like i don't know i don't get it i want to hear a kid sing about like something too illicit but then you're like I don't know I didn't get it I want to hear a kid sing about

something illicit I want to hear I want it I want to see little Bonnie touch me and I want to go over to the chaperone the recess chaperone and be like you're not doing your job okay those girls over there you see that little group of girls they're saying touch me

you're fired they need a break touch, touch me. You're fired. They need a break. They need a time out. You're fired, recess chaperone. Time out. Recess chaperone. Remember those icons? Recess chaperones, lunch monitors.

Give it up for lunch monitor culture. They were the dreamers of dreams. They were the ones leading the culture. Yeah. Yeah. And they were like volunteers from the community you know they weren't like paid well they were just like nice older ladies yeah my god i bet we would be great the three of us i think so in a performance at recess yeah oh god yeah i

would be we'd be like choreographing and giving scripts to children yes no this is letting you tell us what are you doing that is not fun i have an idea what are you doing let me give you cold shirt because you don't have any i'm six grow up grow up i love it did you feel like the divas inspired you this sounds like such a stupid shallow question but let me know if this makes sense okay did you feel like i'm gonna belt because the divas are belting and therefore i will start my own belting journey as a beltress so okay what's interesting is i'm not really like a trained singer like i always say i'm like an instinctual singer explain this so i sang my whole life my family was musical i was always singing in church into like school choirs and stuff so you

know like our choir teacher would give us kind of like voice lessons to talk about certain things yes um and then i took like a voice lesson one semester in college from more like a TA, you know? I did that too. And I loved it. Same. But I went to school for acting. I didn't go to school for musical theater. So I was like, okay, did that.

But I had the most fun doing gospel choir at college. And he did it like traditionally our leader, like he would sing, you got just a sheet of words and he sang everybody's part and it's just like it trains your ear so well so he would sing the soprano line down to the bass line he was incredible wow whoa and so that was sort of like my music education in so many ways it worked when i sang along to my faves everyone i just listed mariah c, Celine, Whitney, Reba. The girls. Yeah, the girls. I would mimic them. So I would like use my boy.

I remember my older husband being like, she sings just like Celine. Come on, sing a song. And I was obsessed. So I would sing all those songs like that. But if you gave me a sheet of music, I was like mixy, pretty place. Because I was like, oh, that's how you're supposed to sing other songs. Oh. So like the pop songs, I would sing like that that but like if you gave me anything else I wasn't like

out there belting so I got to like college and I loved musical theater and I'm like I feel like I could belt too like I love musical theater so much and I feel like I wrote one point I was like I don't know if I have a voice for musical theater because I would sing the other way. And so during college, I was taking a Kristen Linklater speaking voice class and learning about my resonators. And I was like, wait. And that changes everything. Hold on. That sounds like singing. Just like the warm up of like, hey.

I was like, wait a minute. I can keep going higher and not singing. And that is not something everyone can do. And then all of a sudden, I became the beltress. But that's also why, as you both heard in the show, I don't just belt everything. No, no, no, no, no. Just like the comedy.

I like to use all parts of my voice. I just started doing a lot of concerts in 2014 and somebody branded me Belting Bonnie. I was like, okay, great. We'll go with that. It is pretty indelible. And then I see Belting Bonds on social media and I'm like, ah, it's Bonnie.

I had no idea that that was your journey with the vocals. Yeah, that was the journey with the vocals. Wow. And correct me if I'm wrong, you currently possess the highest belted note on Broadway? I have been told that. I have been told that. Wow. And correct me if I'm wrong. This is you currently possess the highest belted note on Broadway. I have been told that I have been told that. Wow. Janine Tothori told that to our COVID guy who was like gagging for it. He was like, what is that? It's the highest, right?

She said, yes. It's the highest, right? I love a gay COVID guy that's like, I'm gagging. You know what? Let's shout out to Nolan. He's also a huge fan of Les Culturistas. Did I meet Nolan? He was for the Culture Awards.

Nolan, we love you. Oh my God. You know Nolan. He came to meet you after the show because he was like i love them so much um and also he was like if bowen stays because i was like i don't know you know i was texting everybody because everybody was very excited you were there i'm and i was like friends i said guys i don't know so nolan was on the thread and he was like

if bowen does stay text me i'm running over i mean i will send a beautiful care package to everybody i i just i truly felt so bad i was um oh my wait not that i like to share like these kinds of stories but i did have a very bizarre interaction yesterday i was buying a drink uh in the lobby and then a woman comes up to me and goes just just like i'm at the bar and a woman comes up to me and puts her arm around me and then starts to like no pat'm at the bar and a woman comes up to me and puts her arm around me and then starts to like, no pat me on the back. And she goes,

I'm going to do this in the chillest way I can. And then she stops and just stares at me and then keeps touching me on the back. And I was like, no, I was like, Oh, and like,

there were like literally five seconds went by of just me being like, Oh, Oh wait, what would you like? What would you like? And then, and then I was like oh wait what would you like what would you like and then and then i was like oh do you want a hug and she just didn't say anything and i just hugged her and then she left anyway we're gonna cut this out but i was just like it was truly no i don't know i think people need to know they can't just come up and caress no that's okay that's okay i mean it was i was just like, she said, I'm going to do this in the chillest way I can.

Oh, ma'am, that is the opposite of chill. And then, and then it just. Opposite. You're like literally cozy on me. It was cozy on me. Wait, okay. It's Monday. We have you on your day off.

Do you have a Monday ritual? What's on the docket? Well, now we have SAG screeners. So that is going to be on the docket i'm gonna watch maybe some movies um but typically it's like sleep in and then i have a sweatshirt on but i also have pajama pants on yes but you can't see and i i keep that vibe i don't go out i like rest yes oh that was gorgeous oh my god i don't go out i just rest and then what you don't know readers because these podcasts are not a visual medium is her camera absolutely flew off the table oh she used her resonator for that she used resonator yeah it's healthy um so

but it's no singing on mondays no not really unless i might get like a cameo request yes only podcasts that are also then they say talking is sometimes even more stressful on the voice i know but you gotta see i'm placing it in a like bowen said a nice warm bath we just we gotta keep it gentle you really are oh wait can you guys help me on this i was whispering for a while too on friday whispers bad whispers bad i was like this feels bad and i was like i think i've heard that it's bad so i stopped it is something good like if you put like your thumb or something in your mouth and close it around and just blow it kind of opens up this up a bit. Oh my God. You're rocking my world.

You're not making sound. When I have two that Henry Tummies, you take a straw and put it in a cup of water and just blow. Blow bubbles, yeah. Vicky, I don't know if you noticed, Kimmy has a little cup. It looks like a takeout cup with a straw.

Sometimes she's taking water and sometimes she's just blowing. On stage? Yes. Oh, wow. That's a stage hat. Very, very clever. Very nice. She's very smart, that one.

She's very smart. Tony winner. What's working with her? Like talk about the legend, Victoria Clark. I mean, a dream come true. There are times that I will go down and just watch scenes i'm not in you know i don't get tired of it i'm excited for the cast album fully to drop i listen to it eight times a week and yet i want the album to like hear more that's special she is never the same so every time

she's so alive as a performer that who knows she might be more playful one day or she might be so it is so fresh yeah and that's how i like to be is just like what's in the moment i don't want to like set something that is identical because that feels stale and not alive and so i like to be and clearly some line readings that you know get a bigger laugh, you might give it that way more consistently. But in general as a whole, like her performance is just so lived in. I don't, it's magic. I don't understand. Like, she's just a different being from a different world.

And she's the most generous actor to share a stage with like the way she holds for your laugh and she loves playing a street she's like i love playing the straight man it's my fave she's just so generous with everything she's like well it'll give you a bigger laugh if i just hold like with the pine cone or with you know we find different rhythms and then we've also just become like really close friends kind of hold each other up during this it's very difficult she barely leaves the stage right you know very present in her 60s and it's like i don't know how she does that physical vocal and emotional journey like to be in that because sometimes like i've gone through stuff where i'm like

wow i'm feeling a little depressed. I think I'm taking Debra home with me because while she's funny, the way I operate my acting choices is like I'm alone in the world and nobody has my back. And so, you know, I come into the library and I see, I find Kimmy. I wait, I wait out in the library because something big happened which is a reveal i don't want to you know spoiler alert anybody right but something happened the family was in one town i was a part of it and i fled to the woods because it was it was a big thing and when i came back they'd moved and nobody left me a note like an abandoned animal like that's rough yeah and, I get out of my aunt.

I never say mom and dad. So, God knows where they are. Allie and I have decided, she plays, Allie Malz, who plays my sister, that we have different dads. So funny. That I don't say parents. I don't say anyone. I say, I called Aunt Helen. And she wouldn't let me stay with her.

But she told me where you moved to. But I didn't have an address. So, I have been camping out in the school library right right right waiting to be here for 10 days iconic choice to have her inhabit the school library library not like the library the public library town yeah yeah the school library it's so funny to me it's so we i mean it's so deb but like that's rough lots of little inventive choices like that the show is very specific yeah you know very it's really fun to play all that but sometimes that's like hard and so i can't also it's every day it's every single day of your life yeah and so to watch Vicky literally be in the body of somebody who's young, there's this scene in the library where she's hanging out with the kids and they have a song about,

well, real life hasn't started yet. It's later. It's when we get out of Jersey, when we go to school, when we become adults. Right now doesn't matter. And that's her entire life is right now. Yeah. So she will never entire life is right now. Yeah. So she will never get to go to college. She will never get to go do these things that these kids say are the only

things that matter. And you're like, and to watch her face, like kind of take that information. I'm like, and she does that eight times a week. Like I don't. So that's why I say she's like this magical unicorn.

When I struggle with my own journey, I can't even imagine how she's just that hurts. Sure. It times a week. It's really like watching it. It is such a joyous experience. And the music is beautiful and the cast is great. But I remember at the end of act one,

I was already like sobbing. I turned to Patrick and I was like, I'm already there because this is, this is not going to a healthy place for her, the character, you know what I mean? Like, and he was like girl just wait and then act two really delivers but i just can't say enough about the show i mean still leaves on an uplifting oh my god it's like you don't leave being like i'm devastated i can't get through you're like you can't get more uplifting i went through every yes you're like i went through every, yes, you're like, I went through every emotion possible.

The Disney world of it all. It's very cathartic. Definitely. And then you leave and you're like, oh, but I do feel like I want to seize the day. Come on, Newsies. Well, what sucks for Kimberly Akimbo is she probably went to Disney World at the end and then she realized she didn't book fast passes in advance or any dinner reservations. She probably was waiting on lines all day. I will tell you,

if Kimberly Akimbo showed up to the Disney World that I was just at, I would feel really sad. I hope she told someone about her rapid aging disease and maybe they could get her on some rides because that would be really frustrating. Put her up front. Let her be in the front. Put her up front. Let her be in the first car.

Spoiler alert, you do see Kimberly at Disney World at the end in some fashion and it is quite beautiful. And I go, oh my god. Happy. World at the end in some fashion. And it is quite beautiful. And I go, oh, my God. I was like, wait a minute. Like, Victoria Clark is like acting in front of a green screen. And I'm like fully convinced that like this little girl is there like having the time of her life. I think she had a great time.

I think Kimberly had a blast. She absolutely had a blast. And again, we only say it's the average like the uh the average life expectancy we don't know that she's gonna die this year she could live to 20 now not past that probably um but like we don't know yeah so like it's not it's not definitive it is a fictional disease because the movie jack with robin williams which i'm sure people bring up to you each and every day they actually don't and i'm surprised because I immediately was like, oh, like Jack.

Iconic film. Diane Lane, Fran Drescher. Come on! J-Lo. J-Lo. The Teacher. It is so good. I'm sure they don't want you referencing the movie in press and stuff like this. Maybe. Yeah, maybe not. Oh, who cares? Publicists

come for me. I mean, it's not the same at all, but it reminds me of Jack, which I love. So get into it. Get into it. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

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You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me?

Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place

will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is.

You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got you's. Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are, opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating. We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out.

We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What have you seen? Speaking of film, what have you seen this year? You're about to dive into these side screeners, but the Oscar nominations come out this

week. We are iconically recording on Monday. They come out tomorrow. What are your big predictions? What are your big, bold wants, needs, desires for the season? Well, I'm very behind on my views um i literally was like oh my god because you know i've been in the world of putting up brand new musicals yeah but out to the theaters and try to stay healthy like i haven't gone out much the one time i went to a theater as prob's not going to be up for oscars and that's sad for me because

it should win everything megan yes i love megan megan so much what's so funny is i was told you have to see it in a theater with people and i was like okay great so i went with my friends um who are also performers matt doyle and max clayton oh my god oh wow that was that's a real good crew yeah so we got like tickets for after all of our thursday night shows and we went to a 10 p.m showing and we get in there's like three people at the back Yeah, so we got tickets for after all of our Thursday night shows. And we went to a 10 p.m. showing. And there was like three people in the back of the theater. And us.

I was like, I'm feeling very Nicole Kidman. Like, we come to the theater. Like, by myself in the theater. And Matt looked at me and he was like, I'm so glad we're seeing this with everyone. I was like, I know. But I still was like scream cackling. I loved it so much. It's so good.

It is campy, but you get a sense that there's a lot of room to grow. You know what I mean? Megan 2.0, I know that's the SNL sketch, but it probably will be called Megan 2.0 or something or Megan's. And there is so much places to go with Megan. I mean, the guy stole the files. We know how to make that AI.

He stole the files. What I had said make that AI. He stole the files. What I had said to Bowen was, don't you think we had seen the demonstration of Megan? Like, they teased this whole Megan demonstration and then we don't really see it. I do wish we had seen that, yeah. Me too. And I wish there was more of...

That was an opportunity for, like, a massacre of a lot of people. Yes. With TikTok dances. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted more of that for sure. Because Ronnie Chang keeps being like, we need more people,

more people, more people. You're like, oh, wow. A bunch of people are going to get killed. They're going to kill so many people. Yeah, I love that. Oh, I rented to Leslie. Oh, okay. Everyone is talking about Andrea Rice. I was like, I have to watch this um it was that

andrea what is her last name that's so embarrassing riseborough riseborough thank you is incredible so my sleeper hope is that she gets like an oscar nom but you know lots of a-list stars are coming out campaigning for her and i think it was started gwyneth paltrow but that's what all the trades are talking about right now. Is that there has been this last minute groundswell of A-list support for this like real character actress. Who apparently gives a performance of the year to Leslie Andrea Risborough. So it might happen. We'll know by the time this episode comes out.

It's absolutely incredible. And also I just around Christmas watched Matilda. Oh, I heard it was great. Withhawna lynch oh my gosh i loved everything about it it was so beautiful it was so emotional leshawna lynch i wow wow how do you do that and woman king congrats on life um wow but andrea riceboro plays the mom oh and matilda and i was like you're giving me british judy greer and you're giving me to leslie like i what who are you like she's unbelievable and to leslie so that's my like one hope that it will be i love seeing that the only reason i knew about it was because all these celebs coming out through on like my timeline i just kept seeing seeing like Sarah Paulson is going so hard for her.

Going so hard. And I love that, that I'm like, yes, okay, let me see this performance. And she's incredible. Yeah. Incredible. So get this. So we're in my apartment right now where the firearm was going off.

And I don't think this is true anymore because I don't think that noted character actress Andrea Risborough would deal with this. One day I was in my mailroom and there was a letter to Andrea Risborough. And I was like, does she live here? And this is like a few years ago when like, okay, it stopped. Maybe that's the spirit of Andrea.

And no one knows where I live, so I can say this. And I don't think she lives here anymore. Maybe she did live there. At one point, she might have because there was a, I mean, who has that name? But there was like a couple pieces of mail addressed to her in my mail room and i was yeah i was like oh my god because i've known how good she was for like she's several years she's so like she's really good she's somebody who i'm like oh my god that woman again like you know she pops up in all these places and she's always really

solid but like to give me it's like her and lashana lynch like they're giving me two incredible completely different performances and they're both involved in matilda interesting um and then also i love woman king i loved everybody in it i thought it was incredible i just watched wakanda forever yeah what do you think about angela winning the prizes for that like her performance is major her performance is major and like one of her speeches when she's like reading the room like you all need to calm down i am the queen here i have lost some people like chills the power the restraint the emotion you know judy dench won an oscar for like an eight minute performance like i say give her all the awards give her a country music award i don't even care give them

all that one scene yes well i will be i personally will be checking off the sag box for one stephanie shoe stephanie shoe and i'm so we're so proud and I literally when that happened I texted her I was like look I know that you like low-key haha don't like you're lol about this stuff

but I know it meant something to her to be recognized by her peers and I'm happy and proud to be checking off that box

please let her get an Oscar nom she's genius in that movie I'm praying did you guys ever work together we did a reading

together of uh who was just at the public soft power no i don't know why can you imagine no um the great white way again no um great white voice in soft power the legend the legend of um no we did suffs we. We were workshopping it at Sundance at Mass Mocha. So we were there for two weeks. Mass Mocha. I've been to Mass Mocha. So we were there for two weeks

working on that together. She's incredible. She's incredible. I love that movie. I hope that movie sweeps everything. Michelle Yeoh has to win. I'm sorry. Something. I mean, we are tarheads, but Michelle Yeoh is to win. I'm sorry. Something. I mean, we are tarheads, but Michelle Yeoh is our frontrunner. I haven't seen

tar yet. I love Cate Blanchett, but it's time. Michelle Yeoh always delivers. She's a queen, and I want her to win. I'll be voting for her. Absolutely. Wait, Bonnie, the first time we met was at a reading for Schmigadoon, right? I think that was the first. Oh, my God. I was like, wait a minute.

I was like, Bonnie Milligan. Like you were so funny. That was a great reading because it was like Stephen Pasquale was there and oh God, I'm blanking on her name, but she was Regina, the original Regina in Mean Girls. Taylor.

Oh, Taylor Louderman. Taylor Louderman, who I thought was so funny. And she was really funny. Was Natalie there too? Emily Skinner. Emily Skinner. No, Natalie wasn't there.

Emily Skinner. Very fun. Jared was there. Jane Krakowski. Oh, wow. Very fun. It was a very fun time. Brad Oscar.

Yeah, we had a really good time. What are we thinking of Schmickago? Schmickadoon is back in Schmickago. Bowen, are you involved currently? I'm not involved at all, but I remember them telling me that that was the concept for season two. It'll be 70s, like Kander and Ebb style

stuff. And I was like, oh, that's genius. And so I'm excited to see what they do with it. Speaking of, I'm so excited to see Jinx Monsu. Me too. I want to come and see Jinx as Mama Morton. And I'm obsessed watching Jinx do the press rounds right now. I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. I mean, come and see Jinx's Mama Morton. And I'm obsessed watching Jinx do the press rounds right now. I'm ready for it.

Come on. Brilliant. And I know James T. Lane is playing. Billy Flynn. Billy, thank you. So I'm excited to see him too. He's brilliant. We did something together at City Center a few years ago and he's incredible. Well, I did see it a few

months ago with Pamela Anderson herself. So did I. Wow. I wanted to experience that. Yes, perfect. Like, kooky, sweet. And then when she dropped into these, like, dramatic, like, grounded moments,

I was, like, shook. I did see opening night, so I think I saw her at, like, a 10. But I'm wondering what it was like when she finally did, did like drop in and find it. Not that she dropped it. Yeah.

Oh my God. Right. And she was like, and then all of a sudden just the realist of the real, when you wanted it. And I was like, you're giving me layers and I'm here for it. God,

we love her. A true actor. Truly. You ever seen VIP? VIP back in the day, her spy show. No, no, never saw. A true actor. Truly. You ever seen VIP? VIP back in the day, her spy show? No. No, never saw. Sorry. Sorry to you, Pamela. Sorry to this woman.

But, I mean, her acting in Scary Movie 3 in the beginning, still top-notch comedy. Are you okay? Are you okay? The cow says blank. Three letters. Dude. Dude. Dude. Dude. the cow says blank three letters dude dude dude but when that's us it is us who's who's mccarthy oh we can't get into it who's jenny mccarthy out of me and i think only bonnie can be the casting director here one's jen McCarthy, one's Pamela Anderson. God, okay.

There's no wrong answer. I'm going to give Pam to Bowen. No! And I'm going to give Jenny McCarthy to Matt. I'll take it. Okay. I'll take it because I love the view. I love it. Oh, by the way, we never mentioned on the pod when we did our

culture catch-up, Rest in Peace Barbara Walters. Rest in Peace Barbara Walters. Kiki Palmer did, Rest in Peace Barbara Walters. Rest in Peace Barbara Walters. Rest in Peace. Kiki Palmer did say Rest in Peace Barbara Walters. She did? She did. Okay, so it was covered. It was covered.

It was covered. No problem. No problem. But we look ahead to the Oscar nominations, and with that spirit in mind, it actually is related to my I Don't Think So Honey, so should we transition? We'll transition to I Don't Think So Honey. This fall on Bravo. We'll transition to I amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City.

We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm NK and this is basket case so i basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown i was crying and i was inconsolable it was just very big sudden swaps of different meds what is wrong wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

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today yes we we understand that so many hundreds of people have been snubbed this week we are iconically recording this pop culture um podcast and i am sounding the alarm and saying reach out to those that you know that were snubbed and pat them on the back like a creepy woman at kimberly akimbo going up to boniang and say this is the chillest way i can do this and say 30 seconds my girls who are going to be snubbed i hope it's not my faves but it has to hurt to work so hard for the nomination to be on these shows to grind the grind and then to see you are snubbed as someone who's been snubbed i have to say that i'm really thinking of you and all my girls nominated i'm so happy for

you i'm proud of you but just please text the girls who were snubbed and say, hey, should have been you instead of me. Be kind. Be kind to those snubbed. That's my big thing now going forward, 23, be kind. Be kind. That's one minute. Be kind. If you or someone you know was snubbed, be kind to yourself.

Be kind to others. You know? I hate that you called back the woman at Kimberly Akimbo because I really wanted to cut cut i really wanted to cut it why would we cut it because i i hate that i'm even sharing the story to begin with a woman came up to you and caressed your back and said this is the chillest way possible i can do this to me that's that we have to sound the alarm do not touch bowen yang in a chill caressing. Just don't do that to anyone. Even if it's like you think it's your son's fourth grade teacher. I wouldn't go up and slowly caress someone and say,

I'm trying to be chill. God, my kid loves your class. It's weird. So why would you do that to an actual celebrity? Sorry, absolutely not. I slowly caress my lover only. Talk to anyone as if they're your son's fourth grade teacher. Yes, that's a really good rule.

Ms. Munson. Ms. Munson. Show some respect. I had Ms. Munson in fourth grade. You did? You're kidding. She wasn't my teacher, but there was a Ms. Munson in the fourth grade. Oh my god, wait, Bowen. I also did not have Ms. Munson, but she was a fourth grade teacher in my thing.

My sister had Ms. Munson. This is weird. Did you have Ms. Munson? No. Can you imagine? What if she was like, it's me. It's me. Ms. Munson. Yeah, I know. I'm Ms. Munson. It's me. And if you're not treating everyone that you meet

like Ms. Munson, like, yes, hello. I have respect and I'm looking at you from a distance. From a distance. As if there was a desk between us. So listen, I'm just saying reach out, be kind to those snub, don't caress them. But you know.

We'll talk about it maybe next week, but there's going to be snubs. And that's just how Oscar morning works. And that's part of the drama of it, okay? You got Cate Blanchett out here saying we should stop putting performances against each other and i'm like mama i understand you in spirit but a couple of my friends brought up like that's the how the whole conversation about good movies even happens is the oscars otherwise we wouldn't

talk about like you know good movies at all would just be like all the big box office stuff all year right right so i guess you gotta have it. Food for thought. Bowen Yang, are you ready with your I Don't Think So Honey? Yeah, I had this ready to go, but the fire alarm going off in your apartment sort of has something to do with this. Okay, well this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey.

His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, songs with sirens in them. Pop songs that have police sirens in them. Pop songs that have police sirens in them at any moment. I can't think of examples, but there is Ring the Alarm, Beyonce. Ring the Alarm, there's a Spice Girls song

that has sirens in them, and every time I listen to it, I have to turn off the music and go, is there a siren outside? Should I be worried? If your song is motivating me or any listener to press pause, then it's failed as a song.

I'm not supposed to be taken out of the moment. I'm supposed to be with you for the full length of the piece. We got to figure this out. There's no reason, unless the song is about the police state that we live under, I don't want to hear a siren in it okay so i think that we should just do away with this and um i'm so sorry for for this on a

meta level working against this episode because there is a fire alarm going off throughout matt's audio not right now though and that's one minute and I heard that one of the big next wave of pop girliedom is going to be all albums about the police state. So then they're all going to have sirens is what you're saying. I think we're going to be in the siren era. But no, Bowen, I hear what you're saying. Hopefully more metaphorical. Yes, yes, yes. Pulse to arms.

Sounding the alarm to fellow women. Yeah. Did you see Beyonce's performance in Dubai? Like all the clips and video from it? I have not seen all of them yet. I haven't seen all of them.

I saw bits of it. All of them. I know there are many. I haven't seen all of them. I have not gotten to sit down with my pin and watch all of them. Well, you got a lot to do.

I also saw a tweet that somebody was like, I'm upset that, you know, Dubai has so many anti-LGBT laws that somebody was like, I'm upset that, you know, Dubai has so many anti LGBT. Yeah. That's the thing about Dubai. There,

even if they gave her tons of money, like Bay, maybe not. Well, that is the thing, right? Like someone was like, what do you think the price tag was on that?

And I'm like, Oh, how much could it be? And then we're like, Oh, it's possible that she made a hundred million dollars doing it. Otherwise, why would you?

Yeah. She hasn't performed in four years, but it's good that she didn't do any Renaissance material million doing it. Otherwise, why would you? She hasn't performed in four years. But it's good that she didn't do any Renaissance material off of it. At the performance. Because then it would have been crazy to do it in Dubai. She did a kind of a weird set list. Right. It was for a hotel

opening. It was very commercial. Not a fully fledged Beyonce show. I think the check probably paid for the Renaissance Arena tour. Great. And great. All right, Bon. And great.

Are you ready to belt out, and I don't think so, honey? Yeah. You want me to sing it? No. No, don't. Yeah, no, I don't. Mine's kind of related in some ways to the idea of snubs. Oh.

It's sort of in there, and this is very not seasonal. We've just passed Christmas, but it's about that. Okay, no problem. Christmas is a big culture vibe. Yeah, huge culture vibe. Absolutely. This is Bonnie Milliken's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. I don't

think so, honey. We don't have a Diva's Christmas Carol available on any stream sites i can't purchase it to have it saved to my itunes are you telling me that the only christmas movies that are classics were like it's a wonderful life elf and a christmas story about a kid with a gun i don't think so honey because i had a scrooge that featured Vanessa Williams as Ebony Scrooge as part of a girl group. We had an original song. 30 seconds. You're going to snub that?

I don't think so, honey. They sang songs that were catchy. They gave us a new bop to, yes, thank you, Heartquake. Absolutely. That's not something I can buy on iTunes. I don't think so, honey. 15 seconds. She's the best Scrooge aside from Michael Caine and a Muppet Christmas Carol.

But I don't think so, honey. Why can't I have this always preserved? You had Kathy Griffin as the ghost of Christmas. You had VH1 behind the music as the ghost of Christmas. That is innovative. That is culture. I don't think so, honey. Put it on iTunes.

And that's one minute. Unbelievable. I mean, let me tell you something. I came into my fifth grade teacher mrs sprague and i was a little fag and i was like did you watch a diva's christmas carol and she was like no matthew i didn't watch that she was like well it featured vanessa williams as ebony scrooge and she was like and chili from tlc as marleylee Jacobs. Her former song. And then she was like, you have to go, very Dreamgirls,

find the girl that you put down because you wanted a better solo career, and you have to bring her back into the fold. It's very like, bring back Effie and let her sing one more time. Okay? Culture! It is booming with culture. It was really culture. I mean, and also, Bowen, did you ever watch A Diva's Christmas Carol?

I did, but Bonnie, I was just just gonna say bonnie really unlocked this for me because it really this is the thing now it's like if it's not available then like the the memory of it goes away for certain people like me yeah yeah but that's how good the hook was that i literally remember oh is it just a heart yes oh my god. Oh my God. And they also gave, you know, Babs did Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Love the way they did their own version of that

with Sleigh Ride. But it was like a weird like, Let's hear the sleigh bells tinkling, ring-ting-a-tingling. You're like, why was that like their like pop group made that famous at Christmas? But I'm here for it.

They also had like an OG. Do you remember? This is how obsessed with it I was and how gay I was as a child. There was a moment in the behind the scenes part which is true. The Ghost of Christmas future is a behind the scenes episode. Yes, VH1 behind the music episode.

And they're interviewing Brian McKnight. Brian McKnight! He makes a joke about Mariah. By the way, it's a rule of culture number 98. Brian McKnight. He makes a joke about Mariah. By the way, it's a rule of culture number 98. Brian McKnight. Anyway, I could never stop. But he makes a joke

like Mariah Carey, like, you know, like one time, Ebony, she locked Mariah out of her dressing room. Poor thing had to be out there in her underwear. Luckily, no one noticed. Like making a joke about how Mariah was always working i would i wish when we were done here i could go watch a divas christmas but you can't i'm gonna at least youtube search but i bet that's even a flop a dead end dear vanessa williams if you can hear us, get the people to release it. She really was a good Scrooge.

She was a great Scrooge. She was eating. Did you ever encounter Vanessa Williams? Because I know she's one of the stage. No. Okay, that's a lie. I have. We've never worked together.

I'm obsessed with her. I think she's like the most beautiful person in the world. When we were putting Head Over Heels together, I literally went to the producers. I was like, she should play my mom can she be the can she be the queen and they reached out and i love rachel york love you but like they did reach out and she was not available and i was like son of a but that's how much i love her yeah and recently a broadway con hillary uh secretary secretary hillary madam secretary came to the uh broadway con and did like a panel with LaChanze, Vanessa Williams, Julie White, and Donna Murphy. Wow.

And I was also there to sing from Kimberly Kimmel to like kick off BroadwayCon like hello. And I was right after. And LaChanze is one of our producers, iconic LaChanze. Yeah, the icon. producers iconic lechons yeah and so she was talking to um hillary like well you this is one of our stars you have to meet her and she gave her like a candy necklace we got like a photo together and vanessa was in the room and so we you know i saw them but i was like again i would fangirl too hard i think and there's just a lot of presents in that room between and I knew like I knew Julie and I knew Donna and so they were like

the iconic women I knew were like yay and I was like okay that feels cool but I don't know that one and I do love her Ebony forever wow Ebony Scrooge forever Christmas Carol a fully wiped away memory for me that you brought

back like god you're so... And now I want to see it and I can't do it. I want to see that. Like, who do I contact? Because it's been a pain in my side. Every Christmas I'm like, well, I wish I could watch the best... A pro shot. Yeah, the pro shot from VH1.

Release the tapes. Oh, God. Release the Snyder Cut of a diva's Christmas Carol. I want to see four hours dark. I just, I just went to the opening of Jefferson Mays doing like the one man Christmas Carol. Oh yeah.

Directed incredible. But one of the questions on the red carpet was like, what's your favorite Scrooge or something? And I was like, it's a movie called a divas christmas veril sorry venezuela absolutely great answer bonnie and if that interviewer knew anything worth a damn they probably wouldn't cross-eyed and turn to sand but no they didn't well listen uh when does the cast album come out do we have an announcement or a date on that

valentine's day oh this is perfect yeah Yeah. The Kimberly Akimbo original Broadway cast album is out on Valentine's Day, which is iconically February 14th. A love letter to the people. The people. Take it in. Ah, well, it's an amazing show. Everyone, please go see it. You will not regret it.

You will fall in love with everybody, especially Bonnie Milligan. Thank you so much for joining us at Belting Bonds. At Belting Bonds. Thank you for having me. This has been so much fun and iconic for me. I mean, you are a part of the podcast history because of your iconic performance of one of the Record of the Year nominees and someone that inspired you from a young age. And even though it is firmly January and we are past Christmas, we did say that Christmas culture is year round culture.

And so we finish every episode. I don't want a lot for Christmas. I was going to be like, you sing it too. Oh, here we go. She's on her day off. I was giving you background vocal realm.

Give us the belted G. No. No, no. I can't sing on my day off now. That's perfect. Thank you, Bonnie. We love you. I love you guys.

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