Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Gushy" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Escape from the bleak world into the gushy escapism of culture lately. 'Cause it's a culture catch-up with Matt + Bowen! "Wuthering Heights", the latest from Emerald Fennell, and Wuthering Heights, the latest from Charli XCX, are discussed! Also, Bad Bunny's Super Bowl statement, Ricky Martin's moment at Olympic Ice Dancing, and the question, have video games gotten harder or easier over time? All this, Netflix's Reality Check: Inside America's Next Top Model documentary, Bravo's Summer House and thoughts on gummies vs. pills. For inquiries into all Olympics thoughts, please refer to Two Guys, Five Rings! Gushy! We said it again.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Boett, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas.

Ding don. Las Culturistas calling. Talk about. Oh. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. What do you call that?

I call it a flourish. A flourish. I call it a flourish. Is it flourish or flourish? I guess it's regional. I would say American flourish. American flourish. Title of that?

American flourish. Oh, shit. I don't know. that those words go together. Well, okay, the headline is we just got back from the Olympics. Thank you to NBC and YouTube for sending us.

And yeah, if you want to hear specifically about them, you can listen to Two Guys' Five Rings, which sort of bookend this by coming out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But we talked a lot about it there, but being American nowadays, hmm, in a word, hmm. In a word, hmm.

Does your name show up? in the Epstein files? It does not. I can confirm my name does not show up in the Epstein files. And if it does, I have to say it's the other Matt Rogers, and I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else. Because as you know, I am like millions of Americans, my name is Matt Rogers.

But if I'm, if there's one in there, it ain't me, are you in the E-files? I don't think so, but I will also blame the other Matt Rogers is of the world. It's them. Are you the only? Bowen Yang? No, no, there's certainly others. You know, it was very like Broad City, the episode with Alana and Alia Shah Kat.

Like, there's once, I was once friends with another Boen Yang on Facebook. Remember that era of social media where it was like, your only handle on a site like Facebook was your real name. And you could search via other names, like government

Christian religious names, like what your other people You can find community this way. Certainly. I tried that with another Booneying and he seemed to be very weirded out by like my outreach.

He was like, I don't want to just on the basis of name connect with you. He's like, that won't be enough for me. And I understand now. He was way ahead in emotional intelligence.

I could shout out one other Matt Rogers who is actually a Grammy-winning country songwriter. Not the one with the Christmas album, different Matt Rogers. Okay, so there's, There's one that's a Grammy-winning country songwriter that's separate from the like sort of,

I'm just going to say, raunchy, more conservative comedian. American Idol. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's different than the American Idol guy. That's a fourth one. Yes, which is also different from me. This is into the spider verse.

This is literally. I think there is like a multiverse sort of action comedy. I think you could write a A Multiverse Christmas special with all four plus of you. Yeah, this guy, Matt Rogers, is a sports podcaster. But his handle is polited dope,

which made me think he was like a political person. He's a dope fiend. Oh, yeah. Just to go back to the Epstein files of it all for a second, I have been wanting to say something, which is that I feel in a real way what's kind of getting lost in all of this

is the fact that, yes, it's kind of becoming this political game of like, can we get Trump and all these horrible, awful men? And then people have said before me, obviously, that like,

there's real victims here. I feel like I just want to put out there and just reach out to everyone that it's not just the victims in this case. This is like, when things like this come out, it's like incredibly triggering for anyone out there

that has any history or experience with being abused, whenever that happened in your life. And so I have just like really been wanting to say to everyone, like, because it feels like an incredibly rough, dark, awful time. Obviously, I know we're all feeling it, but I just wanted to show love to anyone that is feeling like really harmed or triggered by this being casually in the news every day.

And I feel like we sort of get so numb to every single moment, feeling we have to be on high alert when we watch the news or, you know, receive any information about what's happening in the world. But I did just want to stop and say, this is not normal. This should not be in our lives every minute of the day. This will, they or won't they, about whether or not there's going to be accountability and this awful thing, which is, I would go out there and say the biggest scandal, maybe ever. And even that feels like diminishing what it is, which is just sheer pain. And so I just wanted to reach out to all of our listeners and say, I'm sorry if this is

hurting you and if this is triggering something in you. Because I really think it's starting to become very cavalier, actually, the way people just kind of like throw the Epstein files around. And it's not okay. And I'm at the point now where I'm just like, we need to burn the whole thing. fucking thing down at this point. Because we need to start creating and living in a better world than the one we're living in where we're still protecting these people.

That's what's coming out, though, is the casualness. Like, it is the way that, like, these people, like, were joking about openly calling themselves pedophiles. Monsters. But it's like they're not even, like, hiding behind. It's like... No. There's not even, like, an irony behind it.

It's like, they're like... Yeah, this is what we do. Anyway, what a great note to start this podcast. No, but I mean like... No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just popping the bubble. I don't, I'm not like deflating anything about what you're saying. We were talking about this. It's been a time when the dark stuff is so beyond anything I think we've taken in direct succession again and again and again and again.

It's not just like, oh, that thing happened that sad. It's, oh, that thing happened that's, like, devastating and would never have been in our purview in other eras where we were out here consuming, you know, news and media. And it's, like, bizarre to comment on pop culture sometimes. Like, I don't know if you feel like this lately, but, like, I haven't consumed it. I guess what I'm saying is, like, well, I don't know. Algorithmically, like, maybe I've just pushed the wrong buttons

because now it's just all this, like, conspirators. stuff about like the Epstein of it all and I'm just like I have to put my phone away and back off and like give myself a hug because it's all so fucking crazy but I think that in a time when we're like commenting on pop culture and stuff and it feels like so

blended in with our political reality and the dark reality I just feel like we have to say out loud like this is like it's been unbelievably bleak and I just want to show love to our listeners and the reason

and everybody, everyone under the umbrella, because I know I've been feeling like shit, like shit. Yeah. I have sort of done the thing that I do, which is I sort of ensconce myself in, like, which is I think what everybody is doing, it's like, oh, let me just fully burrow in comfort. And like, I've been very, like, everyone's like,

hey, like, we're going out to this planet. I'm like, no thanks. So, like, everyone's being Christian Wig at me, being like, hey, come over here. And I'm like, no. No. Well, you did go to that Lunar New Year party. That was fun. Yeah.

That was very fun. Which I didn't know until after the fact that it was Hudson Williams's birthday party. Wow. This is where I go, I've fully aged out of things. It was like... Did it seem like a young vibe? No, no, no, no. It wasn't even that.

It was just... It's not that I've aged out. It's just that I am fully in my... introvert, agoraphobia bag. Like, oh, I was like, oh, right, it's fashion week and it's lunar new year. And it's like, just all these things are happening. I felt like I was just in the thick of things and, like, the main event of the thing, which was the Olympics.

And, okay, so, like, this is just taking stock of, like, what this year has been for us. we did Oscars, we did, I guess you could say, we did Coachella, which also felt like another like Nexus energetically, like a thing that like people like talk about, go to, like, just a meeting place, a thing. I don't know. And then like stuff over the summer, right? Like US Open. Like we've gotten to like go to these great, I would say like fun things.

And then like Olympics and then like SNL 50. and then just like, just like, we've, like, it's just been a very over-stimulating year. We've been relentlessly plugged in. That's for sure. And, like, something about going to,

going from, like, Olympics right into, like, another concentrated burst of activity. It just made me go, like, okay. Mm-hmm. This is, like, more than anyone is, like, meant to handle.

And I actually, and my heart goes out to people who, like, work on this, schedule of like having to be at these like high concentration like biomassy events where like people gather and people like because I'm like this is this is a lot and you just see like the billboard of the world everywhere it's like you see every fucking brand and thing and then it makes you it makes us kind of go like wait I guess like everyone's job now is just to like say how

much they love, like, this, this brand or that brand, including us, like, I did a friggin' Super Bowl ad, for goodness sakes. Like, it's just, I am dealing with, like, I thought I had done, like, the post-mortem of, like, the big, like, flashpoint of my life in January. And now I'm like, oh, it's still ongoing. There are still things that we, that, like, I'm about to go to Antarctica tomorrow. Like, there's, there's, like, I am done being stimulated, to be I think you need to make an active choice to just, I have said this to you, you need to learn how to be bored.

I love being bored. Oh my God. So what I've been doing, this is all to say, I have been, like a million things came out this weekend that I, like, wanted to see or, like,

wanted to engage with. And I just haven't, like, I still haven't pressed play on the Wuthering Heights album. Oh my God, you haven't? I also saw the movie. I am, like,

I'm bursting to talk about it. So you're, as usual, like, and I'm grateful for, you are like going out into the field. In the words of Wendy Williams, like you are in the field, frightened of Kornova. Like you...

I just did that. I mean, like, there's so many things to talk about. I guess I think that what I'm delineating from what you're saying, which I think actually is a pretty universal thing right now, it's hard to show up. Yeah. Showing up is fucking hard right now.

Like, showing up is weird. Showing up takes a lot of energy. I think everyone in their life right now, it's also a weird fucking time of year. People are not doing well. Things are not great. And so everyone's dealing with their own saturation at a certain level.

And that's, I guess, why I just wanted to get on here and just like try and show love to people. Because it's been really hard. Like, it's been a really weird, dark start to the year. Because it's one system. Our one soul, like our one close, like our one cultural soul right now is not happy. And maybe that sounds woo-woo or like bizarre,

but the present condition is like extremely, extremely depleting. That's it. And I think that means that we can't, or it's very hard for us to show each other empathy. And I think that it's just important that we do that for each other. And that we do that for all of you. And so with all that being said,

I did see Wuthering Heights, which was devastating. Oh. In what way? So sad. Uh-huh. But felt right for the moment, because it felt a little cathartic for the moment, like this bleak, fucking portrait of tragic, like, romance.

I think I loved it. Okay. And, you know, Emerald Finnell is a controversial figure on this podcast because it actually was salt burn and our reviews of salt burn which caused Tina Faye to come in here and do her authenticity is dangerous and expensive I don't think so honey

because we've had I think because when you go see a movie of hers there is a lot to talk about yeah like you you therefore leave with a lot of strong reactions and I've realized that that is good and maybe makes her one of my favorites because I am leaving now with a ton

to say and feel and more and I think at least that in the picture of everything that's going on right now has been kind of a good thing because I did go to the theater and for two hours and 16 minutes I didn't think about anything else than what was truly happening on screen

you know what I mean? It gave escape and I think that artistically creatively culturally that is what we need because of what we're talking about right now. It being incredibly hard to even show up in the bleak-ass fucking reality, I need more of this gushy type of movie,

like fantastical reality stuff. And you know, I've even been thinking more and more about getting into video games. What has, what has, what's, what's piqued your interest? I think just exactly what I'm saying, just like, what's a way I can occupy? myself in another reality and another dimension that has nothing to do with, really with social media and with reality. Yeah. So to me, like, it's no, like, there's something intellectually, logically, logically, great about

anytime someone's like, oh, that person is really into video games and they, like, and with that connotation, it's like they are a shut-in or they don't socialize much or whatever, right? All my life, I've, like, kind of reckoned with that. And I, like, am a little bit confused, and I push back on that notion a bit where I'm like, I'm a social person and I love video games. Very social person. And I've balanced, I've balanced those two loves, like, all my life. And then as we're, like, as you and I are talking about stuff where we're like, oh, like,

we're working on things that are about like people trying to get in somewhere and get into places or like who are very aware of the way that things are stratified in this world. Just even you talking about like going to a movie and escaping for two and a half hours, I know this is like well-trod stuff where it's like, this cinema is an escape. But either there's like a really interesting binary now of like people are either staying home and isolating and like that's like loneliness epidemic, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, blah. Or it's like people are ravenous about going to the right party, the right fashion show, the right movie, the right concert, whatever.

Yeah. Like, it's either about, like, complete curation of your own, like, internal space, or it's about, like, aggressively needing access to something that's outside of that. Yeah. It's a higher anxiety around all of it. think as a result of the world being the way it is and also post-pandemic, like us coming out of the first couple years of that, which were like a frenzy. And now we're settled into just like, okay, this is now fully post-COVID. Movie theaters are really struggling. Like, it's hard

to get people out. You know, and then I go see this one. I can't believe you haven't even listened to the Charlie album. I've listened to the singles that have been put out. I've not listened to the full, like the full album. Yeah. I laugh as these words even come out of my mouth, you guys, because I get what it sounds like. So I'm not going to say it's my favorite Charlie X-TX album. I am going to say I am blown away by her a fucking gen. And I don't understand how she did this doing everything else she was doing.

The just impenetrable brat machine that's been going for two years. She somehow found time to not only do this companion album to Wuthering Heights, but to completely crush it and push herself forward in a way that she clearly finds acceleration in being busy because the strings and Charlie XXX

we had heard that this was going to be what she was going to explore musically that there was going to be orchestral you know elements the push and pull of the strings on some of these songs to create attention to ride the waves of what these characters are going through in the movie.

I had already loved it before I saw the movie and then I saw the movie and I enjoyed it even more. She has real talent in terms of what she can do cinematically with her music. She's got a huge future probably and she didn't score this movie but she did the music for it. But I would wager to guess. But she scored other things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That she is going to have a huge. huge future. She already has a presence in, obviously, in film. Yeah, well, in culture, obviously, but in film culture. Yes, yes, yes. What she's capable of is so good in terms of atmosphere, cinematic atmosphere. She clearly got this rendition of Wuthering Heights because it isn't Wuthering Heights. It's like a bizarre sort of slant version. It's a slant version of Wuthering Heights.

but my God and it's like her lyrics are more poetic than they've been yet it's pure pop but it feels like it's for the movie theater she's on one of course she I think she was saying in interviews for this project

that during the chaos of brat era that she was like you know Emerald text her and it's like will you do a song and she's like I'll do you one better. I'll write a whole album.

And then she escapes into, like, the Bronte sisters. Or I think she, like, at least read Wuthering Heights. And that was, like, the escape that she needed from this. Like, I think, like, again, we're not saying anything new about escapism as it, as it, like, functions or as we, like, need it, like, on a sort of, like, psychological level. But, like, I think that is thematically, like, obviously. like running throughout all of these things. In the current moment as like you and I are talking about all of these things kind of wearing us down,

like the world being like things, things politically being completely helpless and powerless. Like anytime like we try to think of things in terms of politics, in terms of at the end of the day, it should just be about making sure people are better off that materially, like even our Laura Dern episode, that like made me come away from things being like, Wow. Even she has an awareness of the fact that people do not have the things they need to survive in this world.

Like that is what is true. That is universal basically, except for like a very small group of like, let's say Epsteiny people. But like otherwise, like everyone needs this. Everyone is tapping into like escape. That's all. I don't know. I'm saying things that are like so. No. I mean, generally true. The opportunity to get this as an artist for her was clearly leapt at. You know what I mean? Like she, I feel like I don't like talking about them in the same sentence because so much has been made about it already. But it felt like what folklore felt like for me when I listened to it in terms of Taylor. Whereas this is like an experience outside of herself, aka these novel, the novel. the novel and this film.

And it, but it's still all the things that Charlie does best. Like it's incredibly emotional pop on this landscape. It's just the landscape is different from what we had come to find from her. Did you ever read this book? No, never. Okay, I had never read it in high school either, but people talk about it like it's one of the ones. people ride hard for Brontes.

It's so dark and fucked and Charlie was the perfect person to ask to do it because there is this like pouty fatalism the entire time especially watching it and knowing it's going to end incredibly badly. I just,

John August said on Instagram he posted like a picture of the poster and this is when I had just left the film and I was like, huh, I'm sitting with it thinking about it. And then John August said, Emerald Fennell makes the movies she wants to see. I fucking love it.

And I was like, you know what? In that regard, I'm actually thinking about all three of her films differently because you can even watch the three of them. I haven't done this yet. I think I will. But you could even think of them as operating in the same timeline. Like in the same universe. Like she has a color palette.

I really like watching. again her departments are on 10 Charlie now being one of them she clearly has people that want to give everything to what she does I think if I have an issue with this movie it's just the fact that it

because it is not actually Wuthering Heights like therefore the story's not doesn't feel like it's completely on the screen like it's just maybe not enough happens in Act 3 for me to be like really taken over the top with it

but what I love about this movie far outweighs what I don't like about it. Like, I just love fucking choices. I think what I needed right now is what we're talking about, which is like this big Victorian cartoon with huge emotions and, like, sex and, like, blood, and I just really heavy-handed sound design. And, like, I just loved, again, how gushy. it was. It felt like an entree-sized dessert.

Whoa. Dessert for dinner. Felt like ice cream for dinner. It felt like too much pie for dinner. And I love that. Yeah. It was indulgent in all the best ways. Like, someone said that it's their favorite movie

out of the three she's done because it feels like it at least has to be about something. Whereas, you know, like promising young woman is obviously about S.A. and about the patriarchy and the poison that that is. And then this is kind of just like, yeah, here's a tragic fucking romance blown all the way out.

You can tell it's probably, you know, her favorite novel, so much so that she didn't try to remake it. She just said, I'm going to make something in this image because I fucking love it. Well, because romance, you can do, forgive the term, like, at scale. You can blow out romance all the fucking way.

Yes, and we appreciate it. And we appreciate it, and it works. It can be, you know, romance can either be super small and intimate, or it can be, it can horses you around it being, like, the grandest fucking overture thing ever, and it works on whatever scale. Like, I think if you're going to do, like, a class parable or, like, something about wealth, about wealth,

and if you're going to do something about sexual assault, Like, that is, those are big swings that I think people really want to see, like, the landing stick. And they have intense reactions to those. Like, I mean, both those movies garnered intense reactions. And it's because what she does is incredibly bold. So she brought that boldness to so much of this movie. But it didn't feel, like, even the moments that felt like sensational and that we've come to expect from her, they felt

balanced now because across the board, we were just living in a heightened reality that, and not to say that it wasn't about anything, because obviously it's about so many things. It's obviously about trauma. It's about trauma, Jimmy Lee Curtis, yeah.

It was funny because, like, you're just like, isn't everything, but in a real way. But I guess what I'm saying is this, I was excited to see her adopt an existing work because I was like, now she can just focus on putting all of her onto it. And I really liked seeing all of her onto it.

And Jacob Allorty, I think his Oscar chances increased. I don't know if he'll win, but he's fucking great in this. He's amazing. Yeah. Oh, well, I can't speak to this movie, but I generally find him to be unbelievably talented

and great. at every, like, what he's done, like, almost pound for pound, like, roll for roll. I'm always like, well, yeah. I think I didn't really know. Because to be honest with you, I'm kind of, I'm kind of a neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts. Because I'm not a euphoria girlie. I'm not a euphoria girl. It kind of makes me dizzy.

Of course, I understand. I took me, I think I watched the first episode of Euphoria and then waited like a full two years later to watch the rest of the show. And he, from the beginning is like, well, who's that guy? Right, right. Right, exactly. You know what I mean? I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning one, like, it reminds me of being in like, in like seventh grade when, when like you were in health class and you were seeing like the day in health class when, I'll never forget this one day. Maybe everyone had a version of this.

But there was a day in like seventh or eighth grade where was in health class where they were talking about STIs. And they were showing pictures of stuff that could, maybe this was like a scared straight tactic. but there was pictures on the board of like what happens to your body when you get this SDI or that one or that one. And it just- I modeled all of those picks. It spun me out so much that I remember one day all the blood left my face and I had to lay down on the table. And then I was sent to the nurse's office for two hours because I couldn't like I just, I don't know what happened to me. But I get that feeling when I watched Euphoria.

Like I'm just like, oh my God, this is so overwhelming. Like, I don't know what it is. It takes over the systems of my body and shuts them down. It's body horror. It's body horror. But yet it's not, but it kind of is, you know what I mean? Because it's teens in these kind of situations and it's so stylized and, like I said, casual. I'm just like, oh, like.

Right. What do you think of this sentence? Sarah Sherman, like, broke this open for me. We are all of us human bodies that all have, are governed by the same processes that are at the end of the day, disgusting. Oh, 100%. And I think that the media that we're talking about makes that extremely clear. IHeart Radio is throwing it back.

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oh, this is like, there is like a political commentary that she is making about, like shit coming out of her, like hamburger helper shit coming out of a butthole or like, you know, like her nipples hanging all the way to the floor. I'm like, oh, like. We're all just gristle. Yeah. And I'm like, but she's doing it. And in this artistic way, this, I might just, should I just start a Sarah?

Sherman Stan podcast. Like, I have, I have enough, I could talk about this girl forever. If you did a Sarah Sherman podcast, it would get listened to. Like, it would be in the top 200. Bowen Yang, Sarah Sherman podcast, 100%. I'm, I'm gonna do it.

But she's right and she should say it and she should keep saying it. And she should keep saying it. It's like that in Salt Burn, I mean, in Salton, it's like that in Wuthering Heights, too. Like there's so much like... Blood and gore.

Well, not even blood and gore. At the end, like, you get like stylized stuff. Okay. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film ends in significant death. And it is, you know, tragic and stylized. And not to call it, not to call it death romantic, but it is romantic. You know what I mean? Like it's in that, in the definitive way.

It's just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this about her other films too. She has a fascination with the corpse. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Like in the first film, I'm not spoiling. Well, this is a spoiler alert for promising young woman, but at the end, when Carrie's murdered.

There's a moment, yeah. There's like a lot about her corpse and the way it moves and sounds and the way they have to break it down. And then that happens again in Saltburn when, spoiler alert, Jacob Allorty is found in the maze and you hear the flies around his body

and you see, I believe it's Richard E. Grant goes up to the body and tries to move it and like the sounds that make it are very stiff. It's just, it's all very... I mean, the first scene of the Wuthering Heights, I'll say a spoiler alert for 15 seconds, is a man is being hung in the town square and the entire crowd is like ecstatically

and euphorically looking at his erection while he takes his last breaths. And you're like, okay, we are at Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues, but it is this fascination with corpse and like corporal function or lack thereof

that kind of does connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fennell. And I bet you didn't think that would happen there at the end of that thought. No, I love it. anything that relates back to Sarah Sherman, that makes me happy. But it's, but it is there. Like, it is, like, there is, I don't know.

I would be interested in the perspective on that. Like, if we ever do have Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question, or Emerald Fennell, just like I would ask, like, where are you coming from when you tackle the human body this way? Like, I do think it's fascinating. Well, the thing that I would genuinely love to ask, Sarah is she draws the line at what she will not ever touch. It's boogers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, Sarah, why? Why don't you like to do booger stuff or why don't you like booger stuff? And all she's ever been able to say to me is, I mean, what are we? Like, we're grownups. Like, are we seven? So much of her humor is like, and then their head comes off. And yet boogers are like, what are we children?

She's like, Conne. I mean, that episode with her, it's rare we get blackout. But we didn't even drink that much, can I say? We had one martini each. But we felt drunk. Well, it's kind of like that thing.

Again, warped reality. Escapeism. It's like we wanted to be drunk, and so we were. And so we were, totally. Wait a minute. Back to you potentially. I feel like we've always been at the precipice of this of you wanting to try video games.

never totally works. Well, because I can't figure out how to plug it in, really. Or get the games on the thing. Once I figure out how to load games onto the way it's over for you hoes. You can easily, I think there's plenty of resources out there. I think you have people in your, in sort of your network and your orbit who can help you with that. In the words of Charlie XX, I want to be taken out of myself, which is one of the new songs on the album. Take me out of myself, someone, and show me it's possible to become a little gamer.

Because I really was one. Like, when we were at the Super Nintendo Museum, I was like, I was this girl. I was, that little girl was me. Was me. Can you talk about, I'm going to give you like a little helix sleep quiz. Okay. Do you want narrative or does this story not really matter? I think this is an annoying answer

because I would get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this. It doesn't matter. It would depend on the type of narrative. Like if it's a compelling narrative, 100%, but also my entire history is in like achievement-based Super Smash Brothers type Mario card type stuff.

I one time played the Super Mario R-GP on the Super Nintendo, which I thought was a great game. The Super Nintendo RPG, yeah, yeah. Yes, I thought that was amazing. Uh-huh. They re-released it. They remade it for Switch.

Did they? With the same narrative? Same narrative. They just updated the graphics. Wow, cool. So when we played split fiction a few weeks ago, what did you think? I loved it because you know what I loved about it? The fact that I felt like it was clear what I was supposed to do and how I was supposed to do it.

Is that an example of a game for babies? No. I don't think you know. need to worry about for babies. Because there's like a running joke now among the gaming community that like games now, so this might surprise you, games from when you were a video gamer as a child and in your younger years,

were harder than they are now. Really? Yes. And I know that might be hard to believe. There's obviously games that are, there is like a genre of games that are purely about difficulty about like you're supposed to die and fail, like rogue likes,

Eldon Ring, Dark Souls from software games. So like Patty, friend of the pod, Patty Harrison, loves those games. That's where she and I differ. Like, I do like a bit of handholding, and I think you might as well. I think the perfect balance for you is,

and I try to get you on this, is Zelda Breath of the Wild. Yeah. So there's something, okay, and I'm just going to say this, and I'm going to, It's just my truth. Okay.

There's something about Zelda to me, which is a shame, which is that there's no humor in it. I see what you're saying. I think I need things to be a little sillier and dumber or more... Final Fantasy is a great option. There's a lot of weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a good option,

which is what I've been playing the last 72 hours exclusively. Dragon Quest 7 remand. You, I think, and I think this will motivate you. I think Jared, our friend Jared, loves the Spider-Man games. Yeah, he does love the Spider-Man game. And those are wonderful experiences. Yeah. I think you would really love those.

Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. You really do feel like Peter Parker or Miles Morales as you swing around. Okay. It's a wonderful time. Considering. And there's a great Asian. villain. Oh, really?

Yeah. I'm looking for something else to fill my time with as I head on tackle the, which I think we all must do, the social media addiction and social media reliance. Like, just having the phone not be a thing got, like, the reality that that me really needs to be more of my life, like, got me on this. And so I'm just, like I said. It's a great cure. It's a great cure.

Take me away. Take me out of myself. What is it? What's the Charlie lyric? Take me out of myself. Yeah. It's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it.

And every song is good. There's a song called Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always Everywhere. It's so good. There's a wall of sound. This song Wall of Sound in the movie, it's like I said, the push and pull of the strings. And Margot Rabe and Jacob Allardy, like,

there's something about it where in the beginning, I was like, Is this? Do I like them together in this? And then by the end, I was like, yes, I like them together in this. I think it's just part of the stylization again. Like, I did not expect myself to go in and be like, fuck yeah.

But I'm leaving kind of being like, fuck yeah. Okay, great. I love this. Did you watch Bad Bunny? I did. Of course. Of course I watched Bad Bunny. Featuring Estefania.

Estefania and Enrique, Martin. Is that as full first, is that as like, I have no idea. He'll just be always be Ricky Martin to me. He's having a huge month when you count the Super Bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky Martin's greatest from the 90s.

So in the round of ice dance that we saw, it was it was 90s night. And so it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of waiting for tonight, not just J-Lo, not like the broad J-Lo catalog, but it was like waiting for tonight. Some of them mashed it up with if you had my love. But it was really staggering and you went, okay, okay, here's another version of this. And then I mean, I loved UK doing a Spice Girls medley. There were so, there were so many great choices. again, probably the best choice of song

they would ultimately win was the French pair doing Vogue because it gave you something to latch on to but I will say every time you heard you were never upset no and we were live in La Vida Loka yeah and I'm happy that Bunny brought on

Oh my God, of course You have to I'm still playing worse Walde on that shot of all the people at the house. Still people partying. I just thought it was like what the billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous explosion of love. I was like, that was Benito giving everyone a hug.

That was Benito giving everyone a hug. That's like that's I guess what it is. It's like showing up now in a way that's that visible means like, okay, here's your opportunity to send a message to the world. and the fact that he as a person with a worldwide platform said, my message is joy, my message is love, my message is togetherness, my message is positive, my message is hope. Like my message is not, wow, this Olympian that's speaking out,

like in a way that is a loser, like, whatever, not to even bring out of giving it in because there are all such fucking jokes. But Bad Bunny shows up with a worldwide platform and his message is, hey, here's the most fun, most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off my album of the year when, here's everybody, here's up a literal party on stage, here it is, and received, for sure. It's like the tight shot of him walking through sugar cane, it's like, it's intimate. It's like, it's like you're following someone through like this like organic, now.

thing. It's, I don't know. I mean, like, we're already like two weeks after the fact, because we've been bouncing around, uh, doing our various jobs, but like, I think it's, I think it's, it's truly one of the best. It was so great. One of the most indelible, one of the best. It was up there for me with obviously Beyonce. Obviously Gaga. And the Shakira and J-Lo one. I always put respect on its name. And I do rewatch the Kate, the Katie Perry one a lot. I actually love that Katie Perry half-time show. Someone, I think there was a clip of it that went around of like, when she said I know a place, sing it,

and then the whole stadium did sing where the grass is really greener, you got to hand it to her. You have to hand it to her. Like a whole stadium doesn't lie. It's actually rule of culture number 20. A whole stadium doesn't lie. A whole stadium doesn't lie. But you do go like Katie Perry and the current day is tough.

This is purely. purely us retrospectively being like, what a lovely moment in Super Bowl halftime show history. And that's really it. I mean, look, I am moving forward with arms wide open for everyone that isn't an evil fucking hag.

Like, that's the energy I'm moving forward with, and I think that's what Bad Bunny would want us to do. I just, I feel like all the little quibbles and quibbles, like not to say that people shouldn't be, like, held to account for like things that they've done but like i am mad at katie perry like the world is too the world is too much to hold to hold bad feelings in your heart against katy barry i think i think don't you think i just think about the nun i just think about the nun fair but i'm saying the nun if if the nun was really walking in christ wouldn't the nun say forgive her do not

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how do you think is going to, how do you think this Tyro Top Model documentary is going to pan out? The fact that we're talking about it this much, as in like you and I and like our friends, next week we have on. It's the highest anticipated event of the year for me. I cannot wait to see this shit.

It legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not put this much pre-promotion into something like this in a long time. Well, they, they don't traditionally, I agree with you, it does feel like there's been lead up to this

where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix. They kind of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks. Flop. Yeah. Because of the way

they move through their content. But this does feel like it's being eventized and then for her to come out and be like, America's Next Top Model season 25 and she said, my work is not done.

I said, I couldn't be more interested. Couldn't be. Was this what we were saying last time, though? Cycle 20, the cycle that we were watching on VH1? I mean, we watched the last one that was on at all. And by the way, I never told you this. But there was one contestant, I won't say who.

But I remember watching it because we actually, we recapped it for Vulture. But I was watching it. it and there was one girl who all of a sudden was just kind of gone. Like she was like a, she was, she was like maybe made it to, I don't know, top six or something. And then she just left. And it seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her. And cycle 24 and the end of the week Harvard? Yes. And last year, oh no. I walk into a coffee shop around where I used to live in Queens. And there's this girl talking to the barista. And I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from? and it was her.

And so I had sort of a friendly relationship with the barista. And so I'm looking at her, and then I look at him, and I communicate with my eyes, like, I think I recognize her. And the look that he shot me back was, don't. No. Don't bring it up. Don't. And I was like, well, I wasn't going to, by the way. Because once I clocked.

You knew, yeah, yeah. Well, because I feel like especially with top model, like those girls, like, I would never want to get into it with one of them because it's so clear that it was not a healthy atmosphere. Like, that's the entire conversation around it now. That's why we have this documentary. So I would like, but I was thinking in that moment, like, it was so wild that his reaction to me was to shake his head with wide eyes. Because clearly people were affected by their experiences. Mm-hmm.

To put it mildly adverse ways. Yeah. And so now it's to see it occupy the news again, especially at a time when we're talking about how young women have been subjugated and treated and trafficked across the world. I don't know. If it were up to me, probably wouldn't be bringing it back.

But, you know. Do we think that Tyra is eager to return to it because she feels like there's something redemptive? I think she wants to do the right thing. I will say that about I of course Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really do think that she probably thinks, you know what? I hate that this is the narrative around this.

I too was once a young model. I know what it's like to be treated, you know, in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavory and like we can't even begin to know. And I'm sure she doesn't want her name and something that she, you know, brought into this world to be a socialized. with destroying the psyches of young women trying to work in the very same industry that she made it. I'm certain that she feels like there is an opportunity here. And I really don't believe and don't want to believe that it's just about her image.

Like I hope that she wants to restore what she broke here. Right. Because there was a time when that show was at the forefront of reality television. I mean, yeah, you can argue that it defined. That we wouldn't have a drag race without Top Model or, yeah. Because it was, because Drag Race, there was a time when Drag Race was just, was like, very actively parodying Top Model. Well, yeah, the entire, the entire conceit is based on that format. Mm-hmm.

That Rue in drag was Tyra, and Rue out of drag was Tim Gunn. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The project runway meets top model and you get drag race. You get drag race. Totally.

Which is to say that like image saving like I think is part of it for Tyra, but I don't think that's like a totally in admirable. I don't think that's like a bad thing necessarily. Like she, I don't know. I don't know. We don't know her so it's hard to say. But it's like, at this point, I would just. just want to assume that with everything we know about how dark the world is and how fucked. Like, at this point, it's like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't consciously bring back that television

series to make things worse. Of course. You know, you're not going to, like, line them up and be like, all right, which black girl we turn in white? You know what I mean? Like, it's never going back there. But I would imagine, and I would hope that they just try to do an honest, depiction of what it would be like for people to come and try and make it in the modeling industry

and not sensationalize it for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also not sanitize and go all the way out of the way and make it toxicly positive because, loki, those are just not fun to watch. So make it competitive and make it, make it edgy and make it relevant to what the industry is, but let's not chop a girl's ear off because the challenge requires it. Sure. Underrated gem, I think people must watch OMG fashion. Hosted by Julia Fox with Law Roach and rotating judges.

It's just you're in and out, Julio put me on, I think you put us both on it. It's a Kulio's favorite show. It's like every episode is 25 minutes. You see, it's like three contested. per show. It's a breeze. It's a breeze.

Oh, it's just delightful. And you see people make fashions. It's so fun. It's really good. What would you want? So have you been exclusively on the video game tip, or have you been watching any Bravo?

I've not watched much Bravo. No, you're watching Summer House. You want to talk about Summerhouse? I'm watching Summerhouse and... It's hard because I love Kyle and Amanda both. I know. And I feel like one thing I really don't like is when couples fight in front of people

and their friends. Like, I, it was, I'll never forget. Oh, God, it's just like, it's so thick. It's really what it is, is it's just two people who, and we can say this because we've been around them,

we know them. They clearly love and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together. Right. Which we know is happening. But it's watching people in real time kind of realize, the anxiety is creeping up

in different ways for both of them, which is like, oh my God, this isn't working. And now I have to decide to extricate myself from the situation. And that is so stressful. Yeah. I mean, should we say that like when we were with them

before they started shooting, that things seemed okay? They seem like they love each other. It's just that that, That is different. And we also were hanging out with them in like a heightened atmosphere. In a very controlled atmosphere.

You know what I mean? But then. But we were with, we spent time with them. Oh yeah. No, definitely. A lot of time.

I was like, they, it was funny because like, I had never really watched Summer House for years. And so I got into it in the last couple of years. And when people were saying like, oh, the whole,

you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah, blah, I'm like, that feels like really blown out of proportion to me. Because I was just like around them and like they're, they're,

they seem. great. And then you watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that thing of when, when the cameras are rolling and it's let's roll on reality, you kind of have to be real. And it just feels like either they grew apart or it's just that thing of, you know, you're realizing who someone is growing into is someone that they can, they can no longer do anything right in your eyes. Like, it's that thing of like when you're at the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss you and you're just like, oh.

Like it's the smallest thing. And I feel like they're there and it bums me out to watch. It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling, you are performing to them. But it's very hard to be dishonest. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And the thing too is like you can tell they have two different responses to that where Amanda's kind of being like, fuck it. I don't care.

Yeah. And, like, she doesn't really care the way she comes off. And Kyle is sort of, like, being a bit petulant. And his, like, some of his behavior, I'm like, okay, well, that's not okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then some of the way she talks to him, I'm like, well, you know, we can understand. They're just in a cycle where it's like, you guys, it's never, it's, unless there's, like, a two-week inpatient, like, couples counseling, like, you're not going to get to the bottom of this.

Yes. And this is just overall, like a comment, not, again, not a new one, but a comment on reality television or like documentary filmmaking, just non-fictional, non-narrative. There's cameras around for a long period of time. Yeah. So on traders, just to rebut Sarah Sherman, it's like, yeah. People are going to act crazy and say, you're being evil because the cameras are rolling for like 14 hours. a day, like, you're going to start acting, you're going to start behaving within the world of the show in a very particular way.

That's why housewives act out on these shows, on these trips. That's why drag race girls, like, start to, like, you know, like spin out when, like, things don't go there. It's, like, the human behavior under observation, like, that is bound to, like, collapse. It wears itself out and erodes so quickly. You know what I mean? And I know that we kind of

understand that culturally, but I don't think we fully realize, like, I have to be reminded of that. If you're watching Kyle and Amanda sort of start to fray at the edges, I'm like, and I'm like, but they were so fun and can't. I'm like, oh, right, because it's like, of course, yeah, because we're not watching a documentation

of this that's then edited for narrative. But it's just, I don't know, there's the whole rest of the season and then they have the show in the city so I'm like wondering how that develops out but it's funny because like I am watching the show

and I'm like I'm falling into the thing of like I'm like oh I can be friends with all them in a way that I never really was with Vanderpumpurals with Vanderpump Rules I was kind of just like okay these you know these people doing these things these creatures acting like

this towards each other. But with Summerhouse, I'm kind of like, I feel like a little parissocial towards it to the point where I'm like, okay, I got to watch this. Because they're partying. And also, like, there's like, it's even more voyeuristic. Like, I get it now in a way that I was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo if it isn't like, you know, middle-aged women plus.

But now I do get it. But Van der Pump, it's like, oh, Jackson, James and, like, No, awful. I'm like, I would never be around these people. Whereas it's not the same with Kyle, and I feel like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to like totally dunk on Kyle. No, no, no, no.

I do understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time, like talking about like, you know, of course, on face value, like him being out DJing when Amanda has said for years, like, I don't want you out doing that. Like, I want you to prioritize being home with me, less drinking, et cetera. But then him giving the shade that like it's something he's had to do professionally

because lover boy is having a tough moment and he gets paid to go do this stuff and it's easy money like that does create a new shade to it however by the same token

if she's asking for one thing and she's not getting her one thing and then you're going to turn around on her and say she smokes too much weed it's like dude you can't go there it's like she's living her fucking life the way she wants to

that's different from like James Kennedy like being violent. You know what I mean? Oh, God, yes. No, like, I would argue that Summerhouse is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them are bad people.

Like, on other shows, there are full-blown bad people existing. And, yeah, it's funny when, because now you see, like, they get one opportunity to cut someone from some of these shows, and they're, like, bye, because we don't want to deal with your... Yeah. Bullshit.

But Summer House is, like, I really do feel like, One of the reasons why it's a great show is because I get wherever one is coming from. In a way that I think is more interesting to watch because you can actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate here because there are no devils. Yeah, that's great. I love that. Man's advocate.

Complicated person advocate. Yeah. Well, I think it's time. I think it's time. I'm looking down on my list. I did make a list of topics here. I just want to shout out, just because I haven't said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the Tokyo trip, we all discussed our highs of the trip.

And I just wanted to share my high with the readers, which is that I got to do the last ever Jaws ride in Universal Studios Osaka. And I'm going to post pictures from it. I haven't posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been so like, I was like, there's so many pictures here. And also I'm trying to take the importance out of posting about it. I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it. But I did want to share with everyone who's been following.

along from the beginning that I did reconnect with in many ways the culture that made me say culture was for me, which was the Jaws fucking ride, which was done by a legend. An amazing skipper. She was you've had female skippers before.

We had a female skipper. I had never had a female skipper. Really? All of my years in Universal Orlando. So if we go to Osaka, I'm like, oh my God, we have a female skipper. I'm like, she's about to pull out a gun. She pulls out a fucking gun. She did the whole thing. She was giving acting. She was giving eye small eye acting.

She was screaming, firing. Just feeling that fire on our face. No, they were doing the pyrotechnic effect still from my childhood. Going into the boathouse, hearing the score, watching that fish pop out of the water. I mean, it just gave me everything. It was so healing and I needed it badly. And it gave me such joy. And so that happened.

And I have to say, if you're a fan of this culture, it might not be over for us because there's light, light, light, light, light rumors that it could potentially be possible. Like, this is wish fulfillment, really, but that it could come back to Universal in Orlando because they're going to knock down that horrible, fast and furious supercharged. You know, that god-awful fast and furious ride

in Universal in Orlando. It's like where the bus, like, lines up with. Yes, yes. It's terrible. So they're knocking it down because they're putting a fast and furious roller coaster in that's replacing the Rip Ride Rocket.

So now there's that whole area that they could do something with and I was watching this video the other day. I'm back on Lexa Pro and on my bullshit on YouTube which is like watching the theme park construction and they were saying that there's a possibility

they could knock it down and recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never going to have. But I'm just going to continue to put it into the atmosphere because of what I just experienced in Universal in Japan. Like, it was so good. And we all got off of it. And it was by far our favorite thing because it was like practical and fun and stupid and narrative. And it had a live actor, which rocked.

Anyway. The live actor, I think, was the thing that really was the binding. Yes. Like it just, she really, she made you go, oh, thank God, that wasn't just a screen. or thank God that wasn't like, you know, because that's what Universal was. I know. That's what was so cool about that theme park in contrast

to all the Disney parks back in the day was that you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted and interfaced with you that made you feel again the slogan was initially ride the movies. And so it put you in because you had a proxy the actual environment. that was a lot of the attractions, whereas now, you know, it's different. But that was what I loved and appreciated about it so much.

And I felt like a boy again. Oh, my God. I love that. I enjoyed it. So I wouldn't say equally as much because it was, it just had a different emotional valence for you. But I really, I was like, oh, yeah. This is what I love about theme parks about roller.

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That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story. about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people.

Your creditor might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bowen-Yen. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys' Five Rings podcast in the lead-up to the Milan Cortina

at 2026 Winter Olympic Games. We've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bob, hi Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt, hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway,

and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. and that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS

and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, this is I don't think so many, this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt, do you have something?

I do. I'm going to be returning to the weathering heights of it all because there's an unsung part of it. And I believe she's an unsung part of culture. And I want to talk about this. Hung Chow? Oh my gosh. Okay, no, it's not Hung Chow, but Hung Chow is great in this movie. But I feel like everyone already knows Hung Chow is great. Of course, of course. Oscar nominee, etc.

I'm going to call out someone else who I've mentioned before. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that this name is not on the tip of tongues. Allison Oliver. So she is in this movie Wuthering Heights. She's also in Saltburn. She's the sister Venetia in Saltburn. And in this movie, in Wuthering Heights, she plays Isabella, who's the ward of the dude that Margot Robbie

marries for wealth. She is, like, imagine like Anna Pacquin, but, like, cracked. Like, she's essentially doing clownery. in this movie in many ways. She gets into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Belority, which is really insane to watch. She barks like a dog

and crawls on the floor. She has it right behind the eyes. She's a nut. And I love this actress. And she was so different and incredible in Salt Burn. She had that bathtub scene in Salt Burn that was so good.

She's got, she eats this movie up. This is, I really like this movie. She's my favorite thing about it. And I need her cast in more things because it's really just Emerald putting her in a lot

of shit. More, more, more of this actress Alison Oliver. That's one minute. I love it. I love that Emerald's muses are Jacob and this queen and Allison Oliver. No, she was great in Salford. I'm telling you, her performance is my favorite in the movie because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hosniya, our producer, says she's really good in the show task. I see, I didn't even know what that is. And I didn't know much about her, but I saw that she was in this and I'm like, oh, that's the actress that I really liked from Saltburn.

And now, I think I have to adopt her. Hmm. How old is she? How old is she? No, you know what? I actually know. She's 28.

Alastair Oliver. Let's see. She's 28. She's 28. And 5'7. Love. And her boyfriend is Josh O'Connor. Oh,

oh my God. How gagged are you for that? I love that, man. She was at the SNL after party. I did corner her. Oh, okay, so I'm not the only person on this train. So it does feel like there should be a moment to celebrate her. I can't believe.

She might even get a Culture Award nomination. She might get a Culture Award. I might have even said hello to her as well. And I spaced. What a great couple. You know what, though? She looks way different in person than she does in either of these roles, which is another reason why I really like her,

because you look at a red carpet photo of her and you're like, that's not. But that is. That is, but that is. Well, you must adopt. I think I'm adopting this person seven years younger than me. Okay, Bo Nyang, do you have an I don't think so, honey? I believe so, yes.

Okay. This is Boen Yang's down and I don't think so honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so honey gummies. I think we've gone too far with. them as a vessel, as a delivery system. You're a grown-up. Take the pill.

You can swallow a pill. It doesn't have to come in gummies, okay? You can take the melatonin in a pill. You can take the vitamin in a pill. Because this is what happens when you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy. It starts to taste like shit. Leave gummies alone. 30 seconds.

Don't put a bunch of stuff in them. I'm even going to say don't even put weed in them. Don't even put shrooms. Don't even put drugs in a gummy because you're a grown-up. 15. You have to walk through the crucible of your choices. And you cannot infantilize yourself by making these things that are adult consumables and putting them in candy and in a childlike delivery system.

And that's one minute. Peek behind the curtain. There's too many shapes. There's too many shapes. There's too many animals. That's good for candy. It's not okay for things that like you. We might need for our joints.

All right. Let's not play. Let's not play. And also it's like grow up and swallow the pill. Swallow the pill. And guess what? Cut it in half. Cut it in half.

Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you can hydrate more as well. And I'm sure... I'm sure that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know. It's just like... Someone's going to like send an errand DM be like, I have a disease where I can't swallow so.

Just please. It's okay. Then put it up your butt. Put it up your butt. It kind of does. I did want to just peek behind the curtain. We have an episode coming out with Monet Exchange next week that we already recorded. And I do, and I don't think so, honey, about something you mentioned.

and... Oh, I spoiled. Well, can we bleep that out? Blip it out. But don't cut it. Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take that in gumming for it? It was in a gummy.

I don't think it would have been better if it was in a pill in terms of my experience, but at least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did want to come out and say I had been using blank gummies. I'm not blaming you for taking the gummy. But I had a bad experience

because it didn't taste good. I didn't feel good in the morning. And also, another thing is, when these things get hot, they will get all gushy-o-shy together. I've said gushy so many times this episode. I know Gushy really has been like gushing out of me. Gushy? Is it the same as gushy? Gushy? G-h-g-h-y? Who knows?

G-U-S-H-Y. G-H-Y. Gushy. Gushy. Gushy. Gushy. G- G-H-G-H-G-E. House of Gushy. Things we didn't get to today. Harry Styles, aperture, I love it. Excited for his new era. Grammy's Best New Artist goes to Olivia Dean. And JFK and Carolyn America Love Story,

did you see that viral clip of his big dong? You were telling me about this. I... You've just been playing video games. I've been playing video games. We're going to find out if that's a real dong. We're going to find out. They want us asking the question.

I think you would like Final Fantasy 10. I think just hearing you talk about story it's one of the best stories in all of we talk about it with Monet and I kind of sat there and let my sisters really rally it's a great episode with Monet Exchange it's a great episode and for now

by the way I just want to end this by saying Oscar for Charlie XXX for Wuthering Heights I'm not kidding give her the Oscar for Chains of Love Love that support okay we end every episode with a song To hear more of that, listen to Wuthering Heights by Charlie XVX. Chains of Love. Bye.

Lost Culture East is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnii and produced by Becker-Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Bame. And our music is by Henrik Smirski. Over the last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people? Because of what happened in Alabama. This Black History Month, the podcast, Selective Ignorance with Mandy B,

unpacks black history and culture with comedy, clarity, and conversations that shake the status quo. The Crown Act in New York was signed in July of 2019, and that is a bill that was passed to prohibit discrimination based on hair styles associated with race. To hear this and more, listen to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing.

And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bowen-Yin. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast,

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