Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Hags Are Here!" (w/ Margaret Cho)

Episode Date: February 8, 2023

This is not hyperbole: Margaret Cho is so mother for this. "This" means appearing on Las Cultch with Matt & Bowen in a true time of need. The three friends and Fire Island co-stars discuss bouncing back from a breakup, dick as a metaphor for love and romance, and whether sex actually helps as a coping mechanism in life. Also, Margaret's dog Lucia (whose presence is like medicine), the POWER of Pedro Pascal, the POWER of Chow Yun Fat, and the POWER of John Travolta (at least at one point. All this, The Grammys, Beyoncé, Olivia Newton John's Bad Sandy transformation, hagsploitation, "The Hillsong Aesthetic", Reese & Ashton's awkward press tour, Tiffany Pollard, Monique as host of Charm School, Robyn Dixon's latest flop, The Cut's Etiquette Rules, The Geneva Convention and recent Madonna discourse. Get tickets to see Margaret on tour this year at www.margaretcho.com!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. our podcasts. temperature well the temperature is in celsius over here in the uk and so i haven't figured out the conversion i i'm a terrible science student chic very chic someone goes it's oh it feels like 25 and i'm like yeah totally it's so i was just gonna say it feels like 25 out here now the weather thing that's one thing the sort of pounds to dollars. Where are we at? I can figure out pounds to dollars. Well, this is the thing about the UK is the UK is like totally billless. It's all electronic. Oh.

People don't really throw cash around anymore, which is good and bad, I think. Well, let me just slut in one thing. Did you figure out your meat pie situation over there? I've gotten so many requests and I will be trying all of them. I will be trying all 500. So Bowen's big thing was being in the UK, he can't find his meat pies. And what I'm hearing is that the readers have sort of come to your aid sort of when they sent me all those recommendations from when I was looking for pumpkin beers in LA. Well, they didn't send you recommendations. They literally sent you pumpkin beers. No one's sending me meat pies in the mail, which I am kind of disappointed in. Well, they wouldn't travel well, Beau, I don't think.

That's neither here nor there. I think it might be. I think a meat and a carb is a standard thing in every cuisine. If they can make it work for tacos, they can make it work for meat pies. I'm just saying. Speaking of 25, segwaying into adele who was nominated for her album 30 so interesting that it feels like a loss for our queen beyonce even though she did break a record it's so strange it's like she's the most winning artist in grammy history but they will never give her the big cake but they fuck up the cake almost every year. And that's the asterisk.

They fuck up the cake every single year. And this is my thing with the Grammys. It's like, when are we going to pretending this is good cake? Like, when are we just going to go to another cake store? Another bakery, which is another word for cake store.

And that's actually real culture. Number 39. Bakery is another word for Cakestore. Just like I like to call a pizzeria a pizza store. And you're always sort of correcting me on that. We are dynamic, you know, like. It's our Nichols and May routine. It's our Nichols and May routine.

Can I just be very transparent with the readers? This is kind of killing me. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. And this is important. And I think it's really good that our guest is here this week because I think she can really-

So mother for this. Talk us through this. But yes, Matt, go ahead. I have been on this podcast discussing, this is hard. I have been sort of talking about this new man in my life, my new boyfriend, Lenny. And so I feel like I wouldn't have come onto this podcast and talked about a person in my life so much if it wasn't a real thing and I didn't feel really confident. Of course. And that has made it very difficult because within the span of a week since I last recorded on this podcast, that's no longer a thing. So I'm kind of going through it. Yeah. And I know he has friends that listen to this podcast, so I'm going to afford some privacy and everything.

But just suffice to say, it has not been a good week. And the cycle of grief that is going on. I think today I'm in an angry zone. Yeah. But it's been a lot. And Bowen's, of course, been a good friend and everyone's been a good friend. But yeah, I don't know. I just felt like I owed the reader some transparency about that.

It's not been good. I'm so happy you're sharing this. I respect and admire the fact that you're sharing this because on the surface, it might seem somewhat embarrassing. Yeah. And it really isn't

because you have- People go through it. People go through it. You really did nothing wrong in the course of the relationship. And we will spare this person any deep discussion and dissection but it was a full love bomb and

it's pretty shitty behavior. Maybe. That's the thing about relationships right when they end is like you want the closure and you want to like understand why and you want to really absolve yourself or like if you did do something wrong understand it with this i have so many questions and i guess that's what's difficult yeah but

you had a better week i'd say because you sort of got to like hug pedro pascal yeah we don't have to talk about it you fell in love no no no i mean there's no pathway for me but um you don't know suffice it to say i was deeply deeply charmed as was everyone and that's the thing these sometimes these hosts come through and everyone is like i think he wants to fuck me i think pedro's into me yeah this is what happened when harry styles came like this happens like every time there's like a heart throb oh yeah for harry i was like no he's not putting the moves on me i'm not convinced like i recognize what he's doing and i'm putting shields up you know because people like him it doesn't happen to people like him jk sorry

i'm just quoting his grammy speech that was so funny for him to say that him winning a grammy things like this don't happen to people like me. Was just, it was so funny. It's a lot. It's a lot. You had to laugh. You had to laugh. Anyway, but with Pedro, it was just like, oh, damn. Damn, damn, damn.

He's a fucking man and a half. What did you say? He looks like Clark Gable. He's Burt Reynolds, Clark Gable, Cary Grant all in one. And you are powerless against it. You are just powerless against it. And he's so sweet. And his laugh, I mean, if you watch Lisa from Temecula

or Ego Wotum, legendarily cut to state. He laughs and he breaks. And there's a moment where he laughs in this biblical register. He's laughing like God laughs at his own creation. You really are wrapped up. I'm writing poetry about this man in my head. It's crazy. So you're in a place of you're writing like happy poetry about your being in newly in love with Pedro Pascal.

And I'm sort of writing like angry Alanis Morissette adjacent. Like, how fucking dare you? Why did this happen to me? Like, I'll get you one day. Missives. It's like on the back of checks. I'll get you one day, missives. It's like on the back of checks, I'll write something really pissed off. Is that true? I can just put it there. And then I had a friend over yesterday,

and they sat next to the thing. And I saw there was a check, the back of a check, and I had written something really dark on it. And I was like, oh my God, if they turn their head a little bit to the left, they're just going to see sprawled out on the back of a check, like this angry thought, like I have to clean up. Oh my God, Matt. No, this is,

you know what you, this will be easily romanticized in like a month. Oh no, it's, it's going to become something right now. It's just only pain. Of course. But the fact,

here's the, here's the fact of the matter. My sweetheart. The fact of the matter is. The fact of the matter is this. There's great medicine in the Zoom chat right now. It's true. Because, first of all, let's just travel back in time to when our guest was on the first episode of Lost Culture Recess they did.

When we traveled up to Nyack, New York. And we were freaking out because we had never got a guest like this on the show, let alone someone that was like such a formative part of both of our lives. And then we recorded the episode. I think we were both blacked out because we were so like nervous and excited. You were pacing in the hotel lobby like I've never seen you pace before. Well, the guest knows. The guest knows. The guest knows how much she means to me.

And so like I was pacing in the lobby, rearranging the furniture because I was so amped. Then we recorded the episode, a lovely time. Then comes the opportunity for us all to work together on Fire Island. What a time. A highlight. Beyond the fact that we were working on this project, that we were lucky enough to be making a movie. The fact that she was sort of nurturing all of us in her way was really special.

I'll always cherish it. Always, always, always. And I know Lucia is not far away. She's laughing! Lucia! Oh my god. With no further ado, I mean, one of the greatest of all time, just our friend, everyone

please welcome to your ears Margaret Cho! Oh, I love you. I love you both so much. I love you, Margaret. I miss you and I love you. And I'm sorry, but the thing is, is that with breakups, it's really hard because I always wonder like, am I mourning the relationship or what I thought the relationship was?

It's the latter for me, for sure sure because it happened so fast and it was so intense and i've never experienced anything like this and i was fearful the whole time that it would go as quickly as it came like it was something that i was like it was in the back of my mind because that's logical but i was reassured that wouldn't be the case and then now all of a sudden it is so it's just like that, oh, I just kind of got got in a way by myself. But not even because this person, Margaret, was without revealing too much, was sort of assuring safety and protection and security.

And that's what's the painful thing. That's the worst. I think also if you're an entertainer, so much of ourself is kind of spent in our work and then the romantic life kind of suffers only because we're traveling all the time we're working all the time at night in particular um so we have less time to kind of commit to relationships in general so when you find something that you believe is ideal it's hard not to fall into the pattern mentally of thinking this is

going to be great. And then I project so much onto people of what I think I want. And then when it's over, it's like, was it the relationship or was it my projection of the relationship that I'm mourning? Yeah. That's what's really difficult is just remembering yourself even a short time ago with a completely different reality than you have now and now I guess what I'm sort of working through is it's like what were the signs if there were any you know what I mean that's just it and it's odd because I met this person in November and now it's February. And I feel like it was like this big seismic thing that just came in. It's like when someone comes into your life, becomes your favorite thing about life and

then just bails. And so then you're like, okay, wait, let me actually do the process of grieving it, but also now the process of examining it and especially as someone who creates and like is someone that works things out through comedy recognize patterns yeah it's just like you want to make sense of it immediately but it is a process and that's also frustrating because i want to react to it you know what i mean i want it to make sense but so little of it makes sense because of exactly what you said it's also frustrating because I want to react to it. You know what I mean? I want it to make sense, but so little of it makes sense because of exactly what you said. It's like,

I don't know what was real at this point. Right. It's so hard. And it's so hard when it's like, your life is so interrupted by something so huge and then suddenly gone, you know, like I still have pickles from Novembermber so i mean it's still eat those pickles margaret they're still fermenting but i mean it's like you know

those things like it's it's a very short time to feel so many big things and then i always look to when it's that big it must be something i did that i created because it can't other people can't possibly affect me that much in my experience that's what i realized like oh i can't actually have been moved by another person it's mostly my own projections ramming into somebody else's instigation so yeah for me it's always like i think i kind of created them in my mind more than it was actually but it's so hard dick is very difficult dick was really good too yeah dick is hard to get over sometimes we get we just love that dick and it's just really hard to um kind of separate our physical sensations around that with what's real. Oh my God.

It is dick, isn't it? Well, it's dick is like kind of a metaphor for just the idea of romance and wholeness. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That really rings true because I think one thing that I really realized about myself throughout this whole process. Oh my God. Now, is that I really do want that in my life and i think i had gone for

such a long time and like i don't know how you feel about this but like i was that kind of person that was like i don't need that that doesn't complete me i'm not looking for that i want to be able to have fun i want to be able to experience time with my friends like experience whatever's going on in my career and then all of a, like this thing happens where you're like, oh, wait, like this actually is a part of my life that in the back of my mind, I was looking to fill that role. And then someone comes in and fills that and it leaves. And I think kind of what I'm grieving right now is that role being filled. You know what I mean? The future planning I was doing because I was made to feel safe to do that. Now that it's gone, I think one lesson I'll take from it is at least now, you know,

that is something that you want because you can protect yourself better next time. And also you can make space for that next time. Of course, it's going to be hard to just open myself up again. I don't think I want to look at another gay man for a very long time besides going yeah i was gonna say you're doing that right now you know what i mean my sister and a half i have to look at him at least once a week on zoom but but like i really have been very afraid i don't want to socialize with any gays like i don't want any part of it like i'm not that kind of person that can get back up and like start fucking are you guys like that no i can be yeah just because i think oh you know the idea of getting over someone is about getting under somebody else but that's also not necessarily

productive either um that just lends itself to genital warts but that's okay i mean which doesn't matter either that's terrible there that's fine or treatable i think genital warts, but that's okay. I mean, which doesn't matter either. That's fine. Or treatable. I think genital warts are the thing that is lended. Yeah. Personally. Yeah.

You don't lend yourself to it. It lends itself to you. It lends itself. Like it's a giver. She's a giver. She gives. Yeah. She shares.

But I think, yeah, like sex doesn't really do. Like I kept thinking sex was going to help me get over heartbreak, but it actually just sort of doesn't. It just kind of makes it more complicated. Yeah. It's also overrated.

You know, something my friend said to me was like, oh, it's not as easy to go out there and just like get laid. Like, more goes on in my head. Like, my friend was, like, sort of telling me, like, you can go out there and just, like, get laid. And, like, that's the way you get over things. I'm like, it really hasn't worked, though, because when you have a large amount of sexual experiences, like, that means you're also having a larger amount of, like, weirder sexual experiences. Or, like, sexual experiences that get you self-conscious because like you know sex is weird or just aren't fulfilling period yeah or it's just not fulfilling so having it does not mean you're winning you know what i mean or it doesn't mean you're advancing

it just means like oh yeah you're putting yourself out there and letting people have your time and energy in this way and sometimes it pays off but other times it's kind of just like either boring or weird or warts. Boring, weird, or warts. But with this, what I'm angry about now is that you say you didn't think you needed this, you weren't looking for this, and then now that it's taken away from you,

it's so damaging and devastating, but it's like this person like created that necessity for you. It's this manufactured thing that he's also taken away. It's like you not knowing that like fucking, I'm going to like, I'm going to just quickly, it's so innocent. I promise I'm going to quickly,

just because this is what's coming to mind. I'm quickly quoting a Louis CK joke. I'm so sorry. But it's that thing where it's that thing where like this guy like complains about you know in-flight wi-fi being unavailable and this guy being like oh god damn it it's like you this thing you didn't know existed 10 minutes ago you're you're all right you're sad and angry about not being available it's not that it's obviously not that but it is that thing where it's like this person made you think that you needed it when you didn't and now you feel like you're gonna think that you do need it and i hope oh yeah i know it's perfectly fine before all this you know what i mean was

living my life was happy and then now it's just like okay that was nice but now the fuck what yeah yeah but that's why i need a lucia you need a little a little baby she's sleeping she heard her name she's like like, she did. Oh my God. Do you think she misses Fire Island? Yes, she does. She was such a star on that,

on that whole, remember, I said, Adam, she fell in love with Adam. Oh yeah. Adam was a wonderful PA. She was so in love with him and she just really enjoyed her time with him.

Oh my gosh, Lucia. It's so good to see you again. Readers, you can't see this, but Lucia is absolutely filling the frame. She really holds the frame. She does. She's a gorgeous star. She's a gorgeous chihuahua.

Star quality. She was the mascot of the movie. Oh, my God. We all were so happy. She misses you guys. Did you watch The White Lotus Season 2 where there was a character of Lucia who was very sexually powerful? I wish she could get a Skims deal too.

She should really get a Skims deal. Yeah, I'll call Kim. Jennifer Coolidge, yeah. She was on the board for a second. It would be everyone's dream come true if that happened her is i want to start doing a series of hagsploitation movies with her kind of like um you know baby jane style yeah like hagsploitation like um i think hagsploitation is gonna make a comeback i want to do about like kind of etiquette columnist from competing newspapers,

battling it out. And one murders. The other is called bad manners. It's me and Jennifer. That's powerful. It's, let me tell you something. It's getting bought in.

Let's pitch it. And we're, we're bone. And I make, make decisions where we're buying on pet. That is genuinely, I mean, you already know this.

I don't mean to sound patronizing. That is a brilliant idea. I think it's really good. I love hagsploitation from the 60s and 70s. And I feel like it needs to make a strong comeback, especially like with the success of all of her stuff. And then also these older women kind of getting these accolades like Michelle Yeoh.

This is like a time for us. Everything everywhere is hagsploitation. Everything everywhere is hagsploitation. Everything everywhere is hagsploitation. Hags are here. Hags are here. Hags are here to stay. So like what is like the ultimate hagsploitation movie? Is it like Mommy Dearest? Yeah, for sure. I think the ultimate is Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, but there's

also, you know, it's like Straightjacket. I think even Johnny Guitar would, any of like the latter Joan Crawford. Yes. Movies. All About Eve is probably. Yeah, that's probably exploitation.

Really? Okay. So it can be prestige. It can be like literally like one of the best films ever made. Yeah. Or like Arsenic on Old Lace or. Cary Grant's The Fag in that. Hot.

I mean, it's a rich, very diverse cinematic landscape that we, but we haven't had the haxploitation for quite a long time. So we need to start

it up again. Yeah. The closest we get now is like 80 for Brady. Which is great too. Have you seen it? No, but I think it's like

that's a movie that I would go see. I don't know if I would see it in the theater. I haven't made up my mind. I want to see Megan in the theater.'s like that's a movie that I would go see. I don't know if I would see it in the theater. I haven't made up my mind. I want to see Megan in the theater. Oh, you have to. You'll have a lot of fun.

You got to go see that in the theater. I'm thinking of going to see 80 for Brady in theaters. Like, I think that looks good. Sooty saw it the other day and said it was fun. Matt, did you and I go see Book Club together? No, we didn't go see Book Club together, but it's getting a sequel and we can definitely do that. I saw it with Sooty then, I think. And we loved it. Yeah. Book Club is club is i mean like when i saw the trailer

for 80 for brady i was with my parents because i think we were going to see uh the glass onion and every all four of us is my parents me and my aunt all turned to each other and we're just like said different variations of the word delightful we're like come on like who doesn't want to see those four absolutely going for it yeah you know what else i wanted to talk about they look like they're having fun on doing press like rita moreno is definitely like the ham she's definitely the one that gets up and runs the show and sally field's kind of like oh yeah yeah this one like but you get a sense the vibes are generally good have you guys seen any clips from the press tour with reese witherspoon and ashton kutcher right now they're in this movie called your place or mine which is like i guess they play people that fucked

years ago and they stayed friends and so they decide like to switch apartments one goes to la and one goes to new york and they have these experiences and during it realize they still love each other the press tour it is i've never seen two people fake it less they hate each other wow really oh my god look it up it is wild like it's just can we get a body language expert on this reese with a spoon standing in front arms folded like this shoulders up while while ashton is like on the side like there's clear there's like a fucking arms length between them i watched one because i was fascinated so i continued to watch interviews and it was i think it was an interview with like rachel lindsey for extra and she was like now did y'all know each

other before this had y'all worked together before and reese was like uh no wait well i'm looking let me look this up i reese must have produced it yeah i mean just look at a picture of them standing next to each other it is so clear it's like trending on twitter because it's so it's so obvious just so funny how much she'd like either doesn't respect him or doesn't want to be there or hates the movie or something okay so hello sunshine her production company produced you would think she'd have some approval over her love interest her crow star i mean i don't know that's well something must have happened during production then or after it's such an anachronism that movie like it looks like it came out in like 2010 like it's a very weird like matthew mcconaughey kate hudson style like romantic comedy from the early 2000s.

It's a weird throwback that I, yeah, it's very curious. And it feels also like drag and drop stars too. It's like Ticket to Paradise, right? It's like, of course, like we hit the ultimate jackpot and it's like George Clooney and Julia Roberts. Yay. Like, and now we have this script. Reese is going to produce it. Who do we get that's like famous enough that this is going to make sense? Blah, blah, yay. Like, and now we have this script. Reese is going to produce it. Who do we get that's like famous enough

that this is going to make sense? Blah, blah, blah. Let's make it work for 2023. And they pick Ashton Kutcher and then they put them out there together and it's like, oh, they hate each other. Like, that's like, I'm not watching this. That's too bad.

Because Aline Brosh McKenna wrote and directed and we love her for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Love. And Devil Wears Prada, of course. Oh, yeah. But this is, God, I can't get over the Reese and Ashton sort of dynamic of it all then,

if that's... I'm not talking about the movie at all. We haven't seen the movie. It might be great. Just them doing the press tour, it is very evident. Interesting. Wow.

Well... But how much do you fake it anyway? Like, at a certain point, you just get tired of faking it, like I'm thinking, we didn't see you, Margaret, a lot for the press tour of Fire Island because we did it kind of separately.

But like, that was like a genuine joy the whole time. But like, what if there was one person that was just like, oh, I know. I mean, we had so much fun making the movie

and I just wanted everybody to see it. So you want everybody to sort of like feel the feeling of joy that we had making it and also getting back together to do the press junket so it seems weird maybe you can be such a big star that all that stuff you're mad that you have to do it you know that you're mad that you already made the movie and now you have to go on and do the extra work of the publicizing it but who knows yeah because it is a lot of work. I mean, you know. And maybe they just fucking hate each other.

I want to meet Pedro Pascal, too. Oh, you guys would get along great. You know, Jonathan Van Ness, he used to be my hairdresser, but now he's too famous. Really? Yeah. For years, I love him.

And then so we were excited when Pedro Pascal first came on to Game of Thrones. And our nickname for him was By Pride because he was really proud to be by on the show his character and so Bypride and then um Jonathan was doing the Game of Thrones hair during Comic-Con right and he called me going okay because I'm doing I'm doing Bypride's hair. And I was like, it was so funny because it was like, now Bipride was his name. So every time I see him,

I'm like, oh, it's Bipride. And I really want to call it, when I see him, I want to call him Bipride and tell him why he's Bipride because he's Bipride. He would love that. Honestly, for Bipride

to be the biggest star in Hollywood right now, I think is great. He's so gorgeous. He's really hot. You know, people like that, there's very rare where you feel like they

are making love to everybody they meet yes that this is the phenomenon i'm describing yes sorry keep going i mean i've never met him but the only other people that i have met that have that is david bowie and chow yun fat oh my god of course of courseFat. Wait, what? Like in person? Yeah. We had lunch at the Pan Pacific Hotel at the very top in San Francisco in 1998. And John Woo wanted to introduce us. Oh my God. So we had this thing and then John left

and then it was me and Chow Yun-Fat and I was talking about all of his movies that I had seen, so many of them. He was really impressed of my knowledge of even his romantic comedies and things that nobody had seen. These are like melodramas, these Hong Kong melodramas.

And he was, it was being in his presence was just like, he was like making love to everybody in the room, but not in a sexual way, in pure cinematic romance way. Like a Cary Grant or Clark Gable, that feeling, Burt Reynolds,

that feeling. He is totally that. Yeah. And David Bowie. Oh my God. That's a great little trio right there. Yeah. And like a Chai and Fat and A Better Tomorrow.

So good. Beautiful. So beautiful. And Crouching Tiger. Just crouches.es i mean he's like the center of it like the stuff with him and michelle at the end is just so heart-wrenching but like another movie i used to watch all the time which probably isn't good but it was on all the time i haven't thought about it in years is his anna and the king with jodie foster yes yes there was like a really shocking scene where like Bai Ling gets killed.

Spoiler alert for Anna and the King years ago, but that was like a very upsetting film. That was I guess like another era of Jodie too, because you don't picture her in that movie. Right, right. That's like a romantic, like very feminine lead, Jodie Foster.

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it is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts we have to ask Margaret the question because here's the thing when When we did our first episode with you, I think we were so excited that we literally did not ask you the thesis question, the center of our show, which is Margaret Cho. What was the culture that made you say culture is for me? It was in the movie Grease where Olivia Newton-John turns into black latex-y leather Sandy. And she throws down the cigarette. She's like, tell me about it. Stud. Yes. To John Travolta.

And then they go in the big weird like fun house thing. Oh, yeah. You're the one that I want. And it's like such a, it was was then and i was with my cousins in la i spent the summers with them as a kid and we watched it every at the videotape of greece we watched it every single day and then at night we would go out and drive around la and they were a little bit older me so they had a car and we would listen to Donna Summer's Bad Girls. Oh my god. So it was like... Because you wanted to be bad.

I wanted to be bad and I wanted to smoke cigarettes and I wanted to like have like that perm and... To be like a bad whore. Yeah. Like a bad whore. Which like Bad Girls is such a great record and it's such a celebration of the sex worker.

Which is really cool. I, I really, I love that record. I love disco and I love the disco kind of grease fifties and seventies collide. Um, yeah.

So that to me, I think it was like the cultures was for me at that time. That was when it popped off. Yeah. Do you remember around what age you were when, when grease hit? I was probably about 10 or 12. Already wanting to smoke cigarettes?

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yes. Stunt that growth, girl. Just stunt it. I wanted to smoke cigarettes. I wanted to ride around in cars. I wanted to listen to disco and watch Grease.

Yeah, to me, it was a really formative time. And I got to work with Olivia Newton-John later. And she and I became friends. And she would come see my comedy shows and like the improv in LA and she would run up and she was,

oh, just for fun. Just for fun. Just for fun. I saw that you're here just for fun. Just for fun. And run off. And she told me to quit smoking and she's just just do today and then i i said i quit smoking and she you know she just really had a choke

hold on all my everything i did uh i really loved her i can't believe she's dead but you know it's so shitty it's so shitty but she was really iconic and I really loved her short hair. I loved her music album for like the video album for Physical, which was like the physical video, which had a lot of gay subtext. Oh, yeah. All of her videos had a lot of gay subtext,

but that was a really great video album and she was just awesome. The person who made you want to start smoking through a screen also inspired you to start smoking through a screen also inspired you to stop smoking in person that's right gorgeous and that's the duality that is the sandy bad sandy duality right there absolutely i mean it came full circle so incredible she's amazing wow oh great answer also like a real smoke show like just like really stunning like i think like a lot gets lost because you're like oh it's just sandy it's just like a thing that's a part

of culture and assume but like wow did she like have it on screen and her voice was amazing like hopelessly devoted that's a really hard song and just like the way that her belt just like it just soars through it it's like she has that rasp that like emotional rasp in her belt that i think was just really really special and you can tell how hard that song is when people just think they're gonna be able to do it at karaoke you know those songs that people just they whip out of karaoke they're like oh this one and then like it's a real death spiral to the end of the song yeah that's one it's so hard you're locked in it's so hard yeah she's truly like a multi-faceted entertainer with the dancing and also singing and acting and just the looks

the looks that she served for her entire life. She's just incredible. So everything, she's phenomenal. And her and Travolta, I guess, were like an it couple. Well, she said, yeah, you know, we did hang out. But after Kelly, it just got weird. You know, I couldn't really. It just got weird. It got weird. It got weird after Kelly.

Yeah, sure did. Just got weird. Sure did it got weird after kelly yeah sure did yeah just got weird sure did olivia i guess so it got weird for kelly period she just didn't feel comfortable reaching out but i love that their collaboration i love a twist of fate the movie and song that's a really lost movie which which I think is really good. Wait, are you guys horny for Travolta when he was younger? Totally. Yeah, right? He's beautiful.

I think that's another thing is because the reason I say that about Olivia, like you don't realize how stunning she was, is maybe because I started watching Grease when I was truly a little, little child. And like just thought of them them as the prom king and queen up there on the screen and my sexual conception of them sexually didn't kick in yet. The other day, I saw a picture of John Travolta back in the day and I was like, oh yeah, fuck. He's gorgeous.

Welcome back, Cotter. Gorgeous. Yeah, welcome back, Cotter. He's gorgeous. He's really hot in Carrie. Oh, really? You can smell that semen off of the screen. Like, I, you know what I mean?

It's that, like, really, like, pungent semen. Oh, my God. Pungent semen. You know what I mean? It's that really pungent semen. Yeah, you know what he's giving? Like, he's actually giving, and this is kind of crazy, but what he's giving in this movie,

now that I've Google imaged it is i eat pussy face yeah it's like a dirty coming from the back of the balls like it's like a prostate load it's a prostate load which i'm sure he's very familiar with but like i'm literally i just zoomed in on one picture and I imagine like his eyes are so beautiful this is like the eyes of a man that you're having sex with someone and their eyes are so beautiful and it almost takes you out

fuck this person with these eyes for me it's the lips it's always been about the lips for John Travolta it's that perfect little shape there's a pre-filler no filler's been around for a while. It just, they just look perfectly plump and like, wow. That's what Carrie is giving me.

There was, I, there's a sexual imprinting moment for me, which is a little bad. Do it. This was like Oprah circa 2004, but he was on Oprah and he must've been in his like, what late forties, early early 50s at this point yeah maybe yeah but like was working out like crazy and he just like at one point like oprah like asks him to lift his shirt up and he like shows everybody his abs this is like in a pre-tape segment like not in front of the audience but like oh my god i literally have the thing right now wow yeah he's given like daddy like not perfect abs but like a man's body a man's body and i was just

more and more my thing every day yeah yeah and so here you google image search no i found it here i'm actually here why don't i yeah no no no no no i know i found it too i found it too it was that that was a moment that was a huge moment for me yeah and i would fuck john travolta still maybe that would save him if you fucked him because that's what i'm signing up to do now one breakup later i'm ready to save people through your sexual power but do you guys remember when he did that a rope there was like a movie he did with jamie lee curtis where there's like an aerobic perfect yeah yeah it's called perfect yeah and you know what i'm saying like when he's thrusting the air doing aerobics that man when sweating it's so great i love all the looks in that movie i think it's such a great movie and it's such a perfect time capsule of like aerobics core you know that

kind of look and feeling so fun perfect just googling the words john travolta perfect like a 13 year old this does confirm for me at least personally how religion kills any attraction any zealoty person whether it's travolta like tom cruise it like even fucking like let's just say like chris pratt like it just kills it for me i'm like i cannot get hard for you if you like love your church this much oh no it's weird it's super weird this is not like a oh like religion is bad but it's just like there is an element there's a degree and magnitude to it that like really rubs me the wrong way sexually yeah totally i have such a disgust for like the hill song bro you know like anybody who's like has a lot of bracelets and beads and like a beanie and like a low v shirt yeah

it makes me so oh you know like how that look is so awful it's so weird and it's so meticulously put together too that it's like so much bad taste colliding. It's like, remember like the Hills years ago, Justin Bobby. It's like that like old reality star. It's like it was like tacky then and yet it's still this thing that people are like not only into but gathering to be around. But I think that Hillsong guy's like done, right? Or is that more of an aesthetic? It's just the aesthetic.

But yeah, that guy's done. That guy's cooked. The aesthetic of that more of an aesthetic it's just the aesthetic but yeah that guy's done the aesthetic of like a mega a mega church aesthetic it makes me so disgusting you know like a mega church where there's a starbucks in the church yeah yeah yeah it's so disgusting like anything like that is so horrible i mean it's not about the belief to me it's about the aesthetic which is just awful. Totally. Totally. Oh my God. If there's a Starbucks, that's a rule of culture.

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So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in.

Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you, and it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey friends, I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together.

And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous. Some very urgent I'm coming numbers. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are, opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lawing?

Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Okay, this is going to sound broad. Margaret, you are my favorite person to say words. Yes. Just the way that you use words as weapons to quote Ava Max. That's, I think, what I loved so much about your stand-up albums when I first found you. When I was like, I don't know, I've told you this in little gay ways. But I was 13 in my room and I would listen to your stand-up albums on Rhapsody. And I would put my headphones in and like,

I felt like you were telling me what my sense of humor was from like, even though I didn't know, but the way with words that you have, like the way that you can throw a word out there and it hits in the gut. I'll just never forget. Like, of course, indelibly in all of your standup,

but we were, we were shooting fire Island and we've said this on the pod, but I had just done that line about, like, does anyone want to trade a Crest White Strip for a PrEP pill? And it started a conversation about PrEP, and I had mentioned, like, at one point, like, oh yeah, sometimes I skip a day.

And Bone was like, oh yeah, you can skip days. Like, we were talking about it. And then Margaret just goes, I DON'T SKIP! And I was like, like we were talking about it and then margaret just goes i don't skip i don't really don't it's not worth it girl you're right you're right margaret we're sorry don't play russian roulette with that i know with that hole no girl no it is all about Margaret With You, and I'm sure other people have pointed this out, is, like, timing, obviously, but spacing.

Like, particularly the spacing of the words. It is, like, fuck me in the ass, bar and grill. Bar and grill. It's, like, the pause, and then the way even bar and grill is, like, kind of hits the ear. It really is just, like, a big part of your art and then matt and i at one point when we were first becoming friends we were watching some gray's anatomy scene and

like quoting it back and just like having like a ball just like saying the words at the exact right times and syncing with it and then matt turns to me and goes this is why you and i are friends it's because we like appreciate the cadence and like the register and like all of that stuff where you know i'm getting a little annoying here but like that is the thing that people can like build a sensibility around well i i actually pitched a show with you guys because i was doing this thing called this of the Game Show. And I was like, you know, you need to actually talk to Bowen and Matt and let's do history of VH1 reality shows that became game shows. Like, I Love New York and everything after that.

Like, Charm School, Rock of Love. I Love Money. Yeah, I Love Money. Flavor of Love, mostly. love like everything after like i yeah i love money um flavor of love mostly uh and mostly focusing on tiffany pollard and have them just do full-on recreation and i'm like you know they know all of the monologues of tiffany pollard from like 2008 to 2012 so you really need to just do like a recreation show or have them just talk. It was a history of game shows from the 50s,

but I was trying to steer them specifically from 2008 to 2012. Just this period and only the H1. It would be Tomas and Tori and it would be all of us. I remember what it was. I think we were really obsessed, particularly obsessed at that time

with Monique saying, from Toronto School, like, see, when you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite. Yes, yes. That's my production company's name is Clownery. Clownery! And we, you know, we bonded on that.

But then it was like, breaking down that statement like that's not a that's not an old english adage like that's not from like the farmer's almanac the way that she says it it's like something like this is a lesson that's been handed down you know like it's a very when you when you do clownery it but she has such gravity when she speaks. Oh, the delivery is amazing.

Oscar winner. Oscar winner for somebody of her caliber to do a show like Charm School, which also is incredible. I'm not trying to minimize Charm School and how many things, the prequels to Charm School,

how far we had to go to get to charm school and all those contestants like the csu charm school universe it was so hard to get there through all the other shows yeah but um really like the gravity that monique brings to and this just is when you do clownery the clown comes it sounds it sounds biblical for me the image of a clown returning teeth first teeth forward to bite you is the thing that kills me every time except maybe pennywise that's something to start with at the outset so we're dealing with the fact like see when you do clownery which could mean anything the clown comes back to bite which is like when so so basically what we're saying is

when you engage in a suspicious activity or a shady activity said said other participants in shady activity will come back to attack you margaret it's it's an insane way to say karma's a bitch, but so many other nouns are thrown into the sentence. It's like locational. It is really a ride. But the clown never bit you in the first place, so why would it return to bite?

And they don't bite. She's specifically referencing, I guess, Pennywise? She's implying that when you do clownery, you release a clown into the world. See, when you do clownery, the clown gets out.

And you better believe the clown will return when you least expect it to bite you with its teeth. Oh my god. And then what? Well, you guys know, I think we've talked about this before the reason those shows ended on vh1 like there was truly this like beautiful era the reason the show ended matt do you know do you remember okay maybe it's different but isolated i think that someone

took their own life right afterwards it was that someone a finalist on megan wants a millionaire megan was sort of like the spinoff bachelorette a Millionaire, Megan was sort of like the spinoff bachelorette from Rock of Love. She was sort of like the star from Rock of Love. She had her own show, and then on Megan Wants a Millionaire, one of the final suitors was charged for murder. Oh, charged

for murder, yes. So he murdered someone, and so then they had to immediately cancel the show. No more shows from those producers ever again on vh1 well they clearly didn't vet the contestants no totally totally they were all very why would they why would they exactly yeah that was part of what made it so great totally i mean that was part of the charm i guess you know people weren't thinking about the mental wellness of anybody it was just kind of this thing but also we had less of uh bullying culture of social media than we do now yeah so it made it

somewhat a little bit more possible to do stuff like that i think i'm not sure but i do miss that era of television yeah where it felt like if they were getting picked on it probably was happening on a few message boards or maybe like in their own lives like by people in there but who also watch the show now it's like in a culture of social media that i would imagine that those people would go even more nuts because even on even on like the really like quote-unquote regulated reality shows of now you know like on even on like real housewives of beverly hills you still have like lisa rinna taking to instagram and acting so crazy and you can tell it's just because the social media aspect is there as another arena to act crazy in and it's hurting reality shows i think because so much of

the stuff that ends up happening between these people on reality shows is happening online so that the conflict and drama is not happening on the shows, which I think has made all of it worse. Yeah, it's like a social media becomes another character. Yeah. That's playing sort of a silent partner of all of it, but that's very vocal as well. So yeah, but I just remember my way into this whole universe was going to, I mean, I did not grow up with cable. So go, it was me going into school.

There was just a day when everyone decided to tell me who New York was, where everyone was like, you need to watch this show. Flavor of love. This girl from season one came back at season two. Now this girl from season one came back and she is season two now. This girl from season one came back and she is terrorizing these poor girls. Yeah.

I was like, her name is New York? What is, wait, what do you mean? They're like, oh, Flava Flav gives these girls nicknames. Hers is New York. And she, you know, tries to beat up this girl who spits in her face. Like all of this. I'm like, oh my God.

And I was hooked. I went on business trips to Gillette, Wyoming with my dad, just so I could stay in the hotel while he was at work so that I could watch marathons on VH1. And I was totally up to speed because I, because we didn't have cable at home. I fell hard for this.

It's so amazing. I mean, I think that I had similar experiences with like early jersey shore like when they um took angelina's sanitary napkin that was used and put it in the corner do you remember that like what it's just like weird stuff they would bully the shit out of that she was she was annoying but i know imagine all those people just like nailing you every day and then she went back years later i think she's like still on the show like whatever iteration jersey shore is in now like i think she's still on it it's so

funny i i don't know those ones that in particular with tiffany pollard really stand out to me as something like we've seen so much from her i love it would we agree that probably the biggest reality stars of that time i guess like from that sect was like Tiffany Pollard. And then from the mainstream sect was Omarosa. Yeah. Probably. I like Tanisha. Tanisha?

Tanisha from Bad Girls Club. There's a meme where she's got the pots and pans and like banging them. Tanisha's pretty good you know who was crazy on her show and no one really talks about it but was fully a chaos monster on love and hip-hop was cardi b yes yeah cardi b was tossing hands like charging people really getting into it on love and hip-hop and then now she's like you know obviously one of the world's biggest stars she's coming out and like mugler left and right but this is someone who was throwing her body with no concern for the safety of herself or others around a sound stage to get

her point across that like she was to be reckoned with and it was like really crazy i don't know if either of you have like ever like watched a youtube compilation of like cardi b craziest moments it's really not how you know how i spend my time her at the reunions and like what was the reason like what was the reason so great i like mariah lynn from love and hip-hop that show creates stars, that's for sure. Yeah, definitely. You need to go on the second season of Traitors. You need to do that. Margaret, you need to watch Traitors on Peacock. As soon as you can, you'll love it. You'll love it.

It's basically like, you know, Mafia meets The Mole. But it's all, there's this like Scottish castle aesthetic to it. Alan Cumming is the host. He's amazing. It's excellent. It's truly excellent excellent the way they did the first season was there was like 10 like people that we knew in the culture like ryan lochte was there like brandy glanville like who siri fields from survivor and then there was 10 like regular people and they all like go sit

around a large table and alan coming taps three of them on the shoulder and they are the traitors and basically the whole thing is like the whole everyone in in the house has to figure out who the traitors are and every night the traitors decide to kill someone off so like like until it whittles down to like however many people are there and either the traitors win or the real people win it's it's literally mafia but it's like a literalized like physicalized version of it on peacock it was really good yeah that sounds great all right are you going on tour this summer or before yeah i'm on tour i'm starting actually in two weeks in vancouver and then i'm just gonna go everywhere so i'm around perfect

all over the place how long is your tour this time? I think it'll go probably until at least November or something like that. Oh, you're going to be out there. Yeah. So, but back and forth, I'm coming back and forth. But yeah, I'm thrilled. Like, you know, it's like finally able

to really do bigger shows. And, you know, since the pandemic has been so weird with comedy, but now it feels like we can actually like go to shows and do shows so this is gonna be good yeah i was just out there all december and it was it felt normal again oh yeah and that was december too so like by the end of the month like when i think a little bit more people were being a little bit more conservative about going out like as january approached it was feeling like it did yeah it's good for the first time yeah the fact that it took this long because for you you were shooting the movie with us like that

first summer where things were slowly starting to open up again yeah but you were working on the movie the whole time and then I imagine you were like probably working on material for the show itself yeah and then also just like doing other things like in between but i definitely had been touring a lot less over the the certain and i because i didn't want to book shows and have them canceled kind of like with the with omicron remember we were like i'm canceling again so it's been hard but now it seems like okay it's great to finally be able to embrace it fully and go out there well you'll see us there for sure yes you've got to come it's gonna be fun 100 i love seeing your billboard it's it was right across from

kylie jenner's billboard on santa monica i made it it was so exciting it was it was exciting it was it was it was great to have the show out and then to be able to tour it like in in real time and one of my favorite moments was i think i was in portland and they had my poster up next to your poster oh i was like i love it we both were up there it said margaret cho matt rogers and i was like oh man that like not to be like a total little faggot but if i could go back to myself at 13 and be like that that was gonna happen i just would i would have absolutely died so that was so beautiful thank you so cool oh well um okay so lucia's fussing so let's let's get she is fussing so it might be time for oh my god has she been good talk about her life she's been really good she got a new bag so she's been like fierce in her

new bag which is a little bit bigger and has rooms room like room not rooms it's roomy enough for for her to put her leash inside and everything and so she's really happy and yeah we're probably gonna go and walk later how long does she walk we do two walks a day probably about 45 minutes or to an hour each okay that's also my workout oh yeah my workout too so we wouldn't walk fast i let her lead yeah um because i do dog led walks because it's not my walk it's her walk so i let her sniff around and so it can get slow but she's a very good companion to do that with oh my god she's the best the best she really was like an energy boost i remember especially when we were you remember though we were in that hotel for the last two weeks and lucia would just sort of run the

house yeah or just a base camp you know at the trailers just anyway we all love her it's so cute and then you guys were doing so many really good nikki minaj recreations well you know what i wanted to tell you i when you went on kelly clarkson and you said that there's a person named matt rogers that existed that i did the movie with and he's obsessed with you i ended up going on her show yes i did go on the show so i did get to meet her but i remember watching that i literally i didn't know that you had said that so I was watching it I think on Instagram you literally just popped up and it was you saying it and I literally was like

I can't believe this is happening thank you for even saying that I shed a tear because I was like oh my god it's one of Matt's heroes telling another one of Matt's heroes it was amazing it was really really great I'm so glad and it was such she's so nice she she really is like i mean we've i think we've all met her at this point like she

really is like exactly as advertised but curse is like a fucking sailor behind the scenes did she um did she give you a vinyl did she give you a record yes yes and lots of potato chips a lot of potato chips do you remember what she gave you? She gave me Whitney Houston. Oh, that's good. Was it Bodyguard? Or older album? No, I think it was probably Greatest Hits. Yeah, that's a good choice.

I got Jolene Dolly Parton. Oh, that's great. I got Bruce Springsteen Greatest Hits, which I don't think she tailored to me necessarily. I love Bruce Springsteen, though. though i mean no disrespect to the boss exactly this fall on bravo it's time to turn up think you've seen it all i don't think you've been a good friend to me lately we're friends like that who needs enemies you ain't seen nothing yet cheers to being dramatic with the real Housewives of Potomac.

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You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown.

I was crying, and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health

is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous.

Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are, opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying?

Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Okay, so we are at that point in the episode where it is I Don't Think So Honey time. But I forgot, what is I Don't Think So Honey? I Don't Think So Honey is a one minute segment in which we rail against something in the culture using the words I Don't Think So Honey. Does that jog your memory? Yeah, I know I remember. And I actually remember that I have something for it. Okay, great. This is Matt Rogers'

I Don't Think So, Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. Say it with me. Robin Dixon. Yes, you have flopped yet again on the show, The Real Housewives of Potomac by withholding the fact that you

your marriage to Juan Dixon which congrats to you you finally got the ring on it but you have kept from everyone watching the show that Juan was in the DMs with some girl and then he got her hotel room when she came to Baltimore now 30 seconds you can lie in your own face but but don't lie to our face. This is insane. And the fact that you'd be on Wendy about her marriage, like participating in any way about Karen's marriage, and you're going to withhold crucial information about your own marriage and then reveal it behind a paywall?

Mama, Bravo pays your checks. If you're going to sign up there and be one of the real housewives of potomac say your real life and then you're demanding and getting on the rest of these women what about you robin dixon i don't think so honey and that's one minute could you believe i couldn't believe margaret this is one of the real houses of potomac she is we we've disliked her for a long time and And this is sort of karmically, the clown came back to bite. Let's just say.

The clown did come back to bite. The clown came back to bite because she was doing clownery. She was bringing rumors from off the show about other people's husbands, you know, kind of conspiring with another one, always sort of getting into it

because a thing on this particular reality show is they always attack each other's husbands and relationships. I'm not sure what that is is but that's their kind of method of madness and then it comes out that her husband who's cheated on her in the past is now sort of in the dms with someone else and she wasn't honest about it and bravo she was on um andy cohen watched it happens live the other night and And Andy Cohen was like, so you're on a reality show about your life. And then behind a paywall on your podcast,

you reveal this part of it while also getting up in everyone else's business. Do you think there's a double standard? And they finally held her feet to the fire and it felt good to watch. So Margaret, Matt has this great schema around the house where every city, every franchise is about a specific theme.

So for New York, it's alcoholism. For Beverly Hills, it's the cracks in the china. For Salt Lake City, it's religion. And I think for Potomac, it's husbands. It's like infidelity maybe. And for Miami, it's, are you ready for this, Matt? Divorce. It's about how all of these women deal with divorce

because this whole lisa thing is like really crystallizing all the things about alexia like all these women have experience with divorce and they're coming in to support her because they're like we've been through this which i think is what which is like heartwarming and touching but i think ultimately the show is about divorce as a process as opposed to potomac which is about infidelity or about husbands you know yeah it's like it's it's just a very i guess insecure group of there it's like this cast of women half of them are very insecure about their romantic lives and the fact that like they can't seem to keep their shit together but the focus is

always on the other happily married groups husbands because you you kind of get the sense that it's just like it's this area of their life that they can't sit with so they're constantly picking and spreading these like really like ridiculous like baseless rumors about the happily married people meanwhile it just comes out more and more like how conspiratorial and how how like you know duplicitous they are and like what's going on in their own lives is like not as happy as what what's going on on the other side and i never thought i'd say this but if robin does get fired i do want giselle to stick around for one more season just so i can watch her squirm and be like without one huge lackey or ally i mean

i i don't think that robin survives proof that she was not showing her life on the show. Like, I just don't think... Like, that's what you signed up for. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Anyways. Riveting stuff. I'm surprised you don't get into Housewives, Margaret. I know.

It's one of those things where it's just somehow it just didn't open up to me. Like, for whatever reason. And now I feel like it's so far gone that I can't catch up. Because there's so many different kind of universes of it. But I have to do the Brittany Frankel podcast. And I have to go over an episode with her.

So maybe that'll help me get more inclined to be in it. You should call her Brittany Frankel to her face. You should call Bethany Frankel Brittany Frankel. Oh, I thought it was Brittany Frankel. I don't even know who she is. No, I think you're right. It's actually very humbling. It's very powerful. She, no, no. I don't even know who she is. No, I think you're right. It's actually very humbling. She deserves.

It's very powerful. She, Margaret, we're not even kidding. Only if you're comfortable with it. Truly disarm her by calling her Britney Frankel. Yeah. Britney.

Britney. Britney, it's so great to be here. Oh my God. Hi, Britney. She would erupt. I love it. But yeah, Robin Dixon continues to do clownery and the clowns

come back to bite so bowen do you have an i don't think so honey i do it's pretty specific yeah okay and we love specificity okay and this is bowen yings i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey misusing geneva conventions like throwing it into conversation like oh what that person did violated the geneva conventions because they didn't like tip their waiter or something no you don't people misuse geneva conventions either as like the thing that's being talked about or they think oh the geneva convention which isn't really a thing it's usually in reference to the agreement meeting in 1949 after World War II.

But people misuse Geneva Conventions all the time in like casual gossipy bitchy ways. It's about war prisoners. It's about civilian rights during times of war. It is not about you, you know, being cut in line. It is not about like your friend being 45 minutes late to a thing it is please stop misusing the geneva conventions and casually using it in conversation you have no

clearly you have no idea what it is and what it implies google's free look it up and that's a minute i don't know what it is i just told you what it is you did but i know there's more to know and so i know that i'm not yet safe to use an intangible conversation. You don't need to know everything. You just need to know the basics and you will not make this mistake that I see people making all the time, like in like comedy and like, it's like a reference that like gets the laugh, I guess. But I'm always like, but no, like these people are laughing, not knowing what the Geneva

conventions are. I think it's the word Genevava can it be literally anything else can it be like it'd be like oh that violated by miranda rights no it didn't that violated new york magazine rules of etiquette that's good that's something it's closer to the idea that's being expressed anyway by the way that rules of etiquette was wild i don't know if you've jumped in there. I have. I read all of them. I like them. You like them? Yeah.

I like most of them. There are some where I'm like, I don't know about that. Always wink. Always wink. That was a troll. That was a troll. That was just a cheeky thing to put in there. But I think it is viable.

Like, you can ghost after a first date. Trust me. I am all about a ghost after the first date. After a second date, i do think it's weird like we could literally go through them but there were some of them that were like if you are at dinner with a famous person don't sit them on the end i know i'm like what who's writing this who's writing this who do you think is reading this and also like amy sedaris had a great block but then there was some other person I don't know who the fuck

this person was but hers were like don't have your assistant send your birthday invites I'm like who are you talking to yeah also the one that was like never ask about work is it weird to be like so how's work is that weird no no it's like one of the things you talk about but I think it's okay to ask about rent i like that because i want to ask people about money all the time yeah that's good yeah that's one thing i'm into burning down all right this is margaret chose i don't think so honey margaret yeah and her time starts now i don't think so honey honey. Stop commenting on Madonna's appearance. You know, she looks great. And it doesn't matter what surgery she decided to get or not get. It is none of our business.

You know, women are able to age in any way they want to. She has done so much for the planet and especially for the gay community. We would not have gay rights as we do without Madonna. Madonna has reared us, raised us as a community. She has formed our art, music, fashion, everything. She's formed so much of our world and we have to have respect for her. If part of her art now is changing her appearance

to please herself, that's her business. I think she looks great i think she's always looked great and i want you know don't talk about that it looks bad i i love madonna and i don't think so honey yeah that's one minute agreed i agree comments on her appearance are i get people's comments on her behavior because sometimes it is odd. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, she also like, she's always wanted you to comment on her behavior. She was,

she is provocative. That's part of her thing. It has crossed over now. And I think maybe even a little bit by her design to be like another talking point is this, but it does get ugly because our society does not know. It's not capable of talking about this with care. Well, she, the other thing about her is that she

invented past tense and also is currently inventing the way in which a female pop star exists in the world. How her career progresses. Like, the stages of her career are, like, beat for beat being projected onto like every other

girl doing it now i think it is fair to say that like gaga like pulled a lot from madonna it is fair to say that every single pop girl is like working from the blueprint that madonna has set all of she's still drawing out the blueprint though like when these girls are in their 60s like this is what they'll be doing. It will resemble something like this. And so it's fine that she like is looking the way she looks or is talking the way she talks for the most part, because it's like, this has not been done before. Is that fair to say? Yeah. Yeah. And I love just that she's able to live her own 60. Like this is like 60 for her. And that to me is really exciting yeah you know we don't have to

give up anything when we age we can actually just enhance and explore and be a part of this wonderful like she's a play in a place where she can spend money on these things that i think give her the appearance that she wants and i think she looks looks great. Have you met her? I haven't, which is weird. Yeah, that is weird. Yeah, that is, I would assume. I've never had the honor. So, but yeah, for whatever reason, it never worked out.

She hasn't had the honor either. Well, she do threw a boom, she do threw a boom, boom, room party. She does throw like a pride party every year, so we just got to get those streams to cross. Yes. You should come to New York for pride this year. I would love to.

That would be fun. And then we can all hang out. There was all those rumors about us getting a Pride float last year for Fire Island. There was. Maybe for the sequel. Yeah, for the sequel.

We should make a sequel, though. I mean, I really think that we need to, right? What's your idea? What's your pitch? What's cooking in your brain? Because we know these ideas are percolating.

You're pitching in meetings, us doing a reality show, game show. Like, what's going on? What's Fire Island 2 know the the real and also the yang over and roger that in my podcast my fake podcast network the fire island podcast network well um yeah i think it's it's where howie and charlie get married yes and we all go to the wedding but it's in provincetown that seems like the right thing yeah that's been what's percolating i feel yeah and when you watch the movie back what did you feel we haven't seen you since i know what was it like watching it it was so exciting it was so exciting it's beautiful i mean it's just beautiful i saw a few times and i showed it to friends and

i just um i really it's just such a beautiful film like it's shot in such a sweeping beautiful camera everybody looks so great you know I just also remember all the moments in between the scenes as well like you know from from off camera but uh just watching it was another level of like excitement and fun and you know just appreciation for all of your work and Andrew's vision well you're you're such a standout in it I mean you're seen with Joel so fun I mean all your scenes are excellent fantastic Margaret you like we were watching it we got to see it on the like big screen a bunch because of the premieres we're doing you always got such a huge response And it's also like what you're saying

is also like a really special thing about it. Like I do remember like, you know, that scene where you're telling us that you're going to lose the house. Like I just remember that day, like us going and leaving the table and then resetting and then leaving and resetting and trying different things.

And yeah, it's like it was such a special experience because there was also like bonding going on between us in this thing that ended up being really good that i think we all thought was really good and then to watch it it's like yeah your shoulders drop a little bit and you breathe easier because you're like okay this thing we thought was special actually really ended up Yeah. Well, we absolutely adore this individual. Oh, I love you. Honestly, we love you so much. And so the tour starts when in Vancouver? It starts February 18th in Vancouver and goes all over for the next year.

And tickets on sale? Yes, margaretshow.com and everywhere. margaretshow.com and everywhere else. Oh my God, Beau. The touring girls this summer are Taylor Swift, Madonna, Beyonce, Margaret Show. Yes. And Lucia. And you better catch all.

The four horse whores of the apocalypse. Horse hags. Horse hags. The nags. The nags. Oh man. And Lucia, it was great to have you. It's so good to see you, Lucia. Oh my God. Oh, Lucia it was great to have you it's so good to see you Lucia

oh my god we end every episode with a song with a song but what's the song I got chills they're multiplying and I lose control cause the power

you're supplying it's electrifying I remember I did a dance routine to that one time and my parents and their friends all looked at me after cause they were the judges and they said it was a lot okay it was we'll leave it at that

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