Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Here's Good Thing!"

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

Bowen and Matt are back together again for a much needed culture catch up! They take their time breaking down ALL their feelings about the new live action Mulan that just dropped plus other Disney adaptations they have enjoyed! Also a look into who they think will be coming back to the Beverly Hills housewives. They're also very apprehensive for the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and can't wait to see how these Mormon housewives live their lives! And of course they talk about the new HBO documentary-series The Vow. Again, this was a MUCH NEEDED CULTURE CATCH UP! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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wow Las Culturistas ding dong Las Culturistas calling hmm oh oh you know I was just remarking to the non-video participants Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Hmm. Oh. Oh.

You know, I was just remarking to the non-video participants on this Zoom. You had remarks. That you and I, I had remarks that you and I have not really spoken to each other in several days. And I think that's good because it's sort of like we're, you know, saving the pop culture load up. You know, we're doing the nofap community Reddit, you know saving the pop culture load up you know we're doing the no fap community reddit you know yeah sort of philosophy of just um you know edging ourselves until we see each other i mean really what we're going to be doing here is catching up in real time and also let's just be fair to each other and say that we did spend a solid week together just the week before we did we did so we were enjoying separate labor day weekends and that's okay how do you feel about um like accordion cadence in friendships where it's like i see you a lot a lot a lot for a

concentrated amount of time and then i give you your space or you ask for space from me or if i'm giving you too much space you go hey you're giving me too much space come back come back i feel like you and i have like this built-in cadence around talking all the time with this podcast. But what do you make of that? Well, let's just say I'm never worried about seeing you or corresponding with you because you are constant in my life. And I'm never feeling like, why the fuck hasn't Bowen texted me? I'm never angry. I'm always just like, oh, I'll check in with her.

And also, I don't feel like it's been that long. It hasn't. It's been like four days. But I'm sort of like thinking about like, you know, in the extremes, like if I don't hear from you for, let's say, two weeks. That would never happen. Right, right, right. But then I think, oh, but I saw Matt every hour of every day for, four days before this two-week period, I would think. Right, right.

You know, maybe this is healthy. I don't know. I'm just kind of like thinking in terms of what a healthy rhythm to a friendship could be. Well, you know, I believe it was Mariah Carey who once said, Why you so obsessed with me? Boy, I wanna know You know what is an incredible song

And I'm just gonna I'm gonna really support my sister And gas up my sister here Okay But one time Matt Rogers We were in the green We were in the green room for a show at UCB I forget which show it was

I know it was Pop Roulette's Amazing Earth I know what you're gonna say It was Pop Roulette's Amazing Earth But this tune just came to you And I forget what show it was I know it was pop roulette's amazing earth but this tune just came to you and I had to record it should I perform it I think you should perform it and what's it well well I don't think you need to sort of introduce it and or just um set up the title or anything I think you can just sing it no this is what the song is okay ready he's a little obsessed with me. He's a little obsessed with me. He's a little obsessed with me in the morning and night. He's a little obsessed with me when I say, all right.

He's a little obsessed with me. He's a little obsessed with me. That's a song. such a good hook i don't know why that song came to me but i think maybe it was someone was acting a little obsessed with me and i was like he's a little obsessed with me yeah good luck getting that earworm out of your head you readers it's really burrowed its way in for me personally all these years later I think I was just you know doing the dishes and I thought he's a little the interval of obsessed with me

like that's so good I recently came up with a new song while Jareb was playing video games do you want to hear what it is have I heard it well maybe you heard it because he likes to sing it a lot but Jareb was playing video games and I don't really play video games as you know i kind of just like either watch or do something else when people are playing video games towards me um but i actually kind of just had i sort of got

this groove in my head and it became a hit song it was it goes like this i love the way he plays i love the way he plays. I love the way he plays. I love the way he plays. I love the way he plays. I love the way he plays. And it never ends. So there's no more lyrics. I love the way he plays.

I love the way he plays. And it's just. I love the way he plays. I love the way he plays. And it's just... I love the way he plays. I love this. Yeah, it's really... It's a very sexy song. And it's a way to please your man. It's the inverse of video games by Lana Del Rey.

It's like she's singing about how she hates how... She hates the way he plays those video games. And you're the partner who's hates how she hates the way he plays those video games and you you're the partner who's like i love the way he plays and in fact you're so emphatic about loving the way he plays that you that's all you can really express in the song musically yeah it's really very plain and i think that lana could learn a lot from me musically i think did you hear today she um she did an interview with, what's his face? With, oh, the guy who is really good. Bruno Mars.

Jack Antonoff. Oh, yeah. It could have been Bruno Mars. The guy who is really good. Is really good. You said Bruno Mars. It's actually real culture number 91. The guy who is really good.

The guy who is really good. Could be either Bruno Mars or Jack Antonoff lana del rey was doing this interview with jack antonoff and i think it was published today and she was like despite her grammy wins and like her record sales and all this she's like i will always be an underdog which it feels like it feels like i don't know about that i would actually agree because I think that the reason why Lana Del Rey can claim underdog hood, I think is because she's never going to be known as like a great singer or performer. She kind of relies on her artistry. Like she kind of relies on her songwriting and her musicianship.

But the songwriting aspect is new. People are never going to think like, oh, you know who's a gag every single time, like knock down, drag out Lana Del Rey. I think Lana Del Rey has like diehard fans, but I understand why she would claim underdog status. But I feel like a couple things. I feel like it's a fairly recent development

that everyone is universally like, she's an incredible songwriter, which I think think she is. I think we can all agree, despite what reservations anyone has about Lana, you know, Norman fucking Rockwell was a really, really impressive achievement. But this sort of like echoes, it has the same like subtext as when she back in June or late May was like, kind of like low-key dissing like all these black female artists being like i can't be a sexually realized person as in my musical persona

the way that like beyonce and nikki and rihanna like and it's like oh wait like this is my thing it's like if you are constantly enshrining yourself in a victimhood narrative then like is that is that good or bad I'm just like I feel like Lana should just be very happy with the career she's had and she's gonna develop and she's gonna build on it even more even though she's like she has all this like weird baggage now post June

but like I don't know I think that in her life in her daily life is she an underdog? No. I mean, she's like a rich, white, gorgeous woman. So she's not an underdog. I think in terms of her music and the way that she's perceived,

I could see herself thinking that she's an underdog. And I can understand her saying that because I don't think she's like a huge, huge, huge commercial success. Or like, she's obviously, huge commercial success. She's obviously a major critical success. But I don't know. But this is my perception of it. Relative to today. Yeah, okay, okay.

My perception of it is I get why she says, I understand where she's coming from. Obviously, when you contextualize it with the way that she spoke about all those women, like it's shitty. But yeah, also i have to be fully honest i don't think of her that much me neither i really don't care i am trying to synthesize all these like thoughts that i've had around like oh like i don't know i've just i've just noticed this thing now where people are like and I'm trying

to do it less in my life too where I'm like woe is me like I'm having such a hard go of it where it's like wait like you should actually just I don't know yeah your damn blessings it's lately I have it's been maybe it's just because like in quarantine you deal with all the same people again and again and again and you deal with all the same people again and again and again and you deal with yourself every single day day in and day out and day out but i have become really sensitive to to that mentality like the uh like i'm just so tired of hearing people complain like it's and everyone can complain but everyone can complain just like i'm also allowed to i'm allowed to be annoyed with it though like because and also i think i think people can be annoyed with me too like anything that i say if you want to be

annoyed you're entitled it's quarantine whatever i just think like you know i guess it's because i'm friends with a lot of entertainment industry people or like whatever but hearing concerns about like what's happening with the entertainment industry i'm like okay this doesn't really matter to me like you know what i mean it's just and lana thinking she's an underdog is like i get it girl but like also no but okay yeah sure okay so it's okay we're on the same page that's good yeah i mean i think that lana is just you know what you don't think of her what i don't think of her and then you know what's another thing that bothers me sometimes like remember when we were talking about Wildest Dreams by Taylor

and you were like, this is Lana drag? I was like, oh, God, I would never even think of Lana. But then... What? Sort of, there were some songs on Folklore that were Lana drag. But not too many. I feel like it was... Taylor was doing Lana drag in different eras of Lana,

which I think is fine. I mean, I still believe that folklore is fantastic. It's fantastic. But I feel like if there was Lana Drag, it was happening on folklore and not necessarily Night's Night. But that's how I feel. But here's the thing. We're dancing around the subject.

And I think I know what the subject is. We're dancing around it because I don't think either of us want to say how we felt about mulan but we're going to talk about it we got to talk about it there's a lot to talk about um do you want to take the floor so disney released their latest animated to live action adaptation of one of their golden age movies their renaissance movies this time it was mulan and you know they love to take liberties with things in the films to make them feel current and make them feel you know just cool and and and snappy and fun i mean you know, just cool and snappy and fun. I mean, you know, Genie gets his dick sucked in Aladdin in the remake. That's wonderful.

That's a new thing that we needed to see. I feel like Mulan was kind of just soulless, unfortunately. Some good performances, great technical sort of achievement in the film itself. But as far as capturing sort of the reason why we as an audience love the original animated Mulan

I felt the same way watching this version of Mulan the way I did when I watched the live action Aladdin where I was like oh this just this just makes me want to watch you know the source material so that's like my diplomatic like I don't even know this just makes me want to watch, you know, the source material. So that's like my, that's like my like diplomatic, like,

I don't even know if that was diplomatic, but that's just like my general feeling towards it. I would say you, you were very, you were very kind in that negative review because I'm not going to be. This movie was fucking garbage. Who was it for? It was for no one. It certainly wasn't for kids. It certainly wasn't for fans of the original. it wasn't for people who like good movies it was for people who maybe love screensavers

it was for people who like it was for people who like to leave their apple tv on and those apple tv screensavers come on they would love this movie milan let's talk about the fact that they said, cut the songs, add the sand. Honey, there was... What the hell? There was one set piece this entire movie, it felt like. Just the sand. They shot in Xinjiang, which is very controversial of them. Well, then maybe they shouldn't have done it for that reason,

and the fact that it was boring. It was just like... There was a whole lot of nothing in this then let's talk about the characters mulan so you took away her entire inner monologue because we didn't hear shit because we didn't hear any of the songs we didn't know what she was feeling you took away all the humor and character of her she was no longer a klutz that didn't fit in with the culture and the society that she was in. She was now just like had a power that she couldn't talk about. Her sister was a klutz. And during the tea pouring ceremony, she like has to save her sister instead of herself.

Mulan was nothing. There was nothing to her character. It was literally like so ridiculous. And how do you pronounce this yifei lu uh yeah uh leo leo yifei so leo is her lu is her um last name yeah but yeah but that's so you can you can the way you said it's perfect yifei lu perfect oh my god yifei lu the beautiful glamorous actress who plays mulan she's. She can give you a single tear. That's for sure.

And also found out she is a singer, which made this even worse. But they took everything out of this that was fun to the point where it was like hard to watch. I'm sitting there like 45 minutes in, dehydrated with boredom. And this is still with Gong Li slaying. I'm sitting there like 45 minutes in dehydrated with boredom. Oh, my goodness. And this is still with Gong Li slaying.

Gong Li is slaying in the film. Gong Li did the most. She looks stunning. The cheekbones are sitting, honey. She looks absolutely perfect. She's giving you a performance with nothing. She plays this witch character they made up for this movie who didn't make any sense at all. Yep, yep, yep.

And then, spoiler alert, I'll give you a second to flip ahead, she dies and doesn't have to. Yeah, yeah, she did not have to die. Poor thing. And also, don't even get me started on the love story, which, when you make this live action,

makes no sense because the guy who on the love story which when you make this live action makes no sense because the guy who's plays the love interest is coming on to her as a dude and i'm telling you as a dude presenting presenting sex yeah but my toxic patriarchal thought around the love interest he was great i mean you know given the source given the given the material but he needed to be like about six inches taller he was the same height as mulan and i'm sorry i'm sorry this is so heteronormative that's reductive this is i know and and i'm and i'm owning up to it i know it's very it's very like women small man big but like the chemistry was just was not there was not there between the two of them.

Well, his performance was directed horribly because he comes in laying it on so thick that he wants to fuck boy Mulan. Like he's literally laying in the bed next to boy Mulan, like making eyes. Like if anyone ever approached me and did these things, I would be fucking them in seconds. If they look like that.

Meanwhile, it's like, is he gay? Like, and then he comes over in the water. His body is pulsating with heat. He's so ripped and hot. And Mulan is like,

leave me alone. And he's like dejected because literally the boy he wanted to fuck in the water turned him down. And that didn't make any sense. It made no sense. And then you find out that she is a woman when she comes back to battle with a full blowout and he's like actually i actually yeah we should trust her and i love her actually and they have the hand grazing thing at the end

he doesn't even go back to the town which is a good scene at the end of the movie yes we were robbed we were robbed of a scene where mulan slices her hair off with the sword hello of that which in 2020 you're not gonna do that you're not gonna say like still you can be a strong woman and have like this this like non-traditional hairstyle you're gonna make her come back with an impossible blowout isn't that montage in the animated version so iconic and they just skip to the part where she like decides she's gonna go to war and then like cut she's in the armor and she's on the horse

and they like it's like wait a minute you skipped like such an important and like act break into the like in the movie where it's like wait a minute this doesn't like trap and before I forget separating the love interest

with the general was such a dumb move because then it just removed the stakes from both of those characters i mean there's just like why why does why do we care that like she like confesses to them what i do sort of i see what the movie was trying to do with um avoiding like the trauma of being outed and she decides for herself that she's gonna like she's she's she decides she's gonna tell people that she's a woman um but i feel like there's no like i don't know like none of it it's there's no connective tissue from one moment to the next where she's like i'm a woman um i decided in this sulfur mind that i was gonna like be true to myself and like the the loyal brave and true thing uh was called back 9073 times laying it on the thickest it was just it was just i'm just like damn like disney for some reason like they can't get it right i don't know if it's a miss eiger

thing but it's like all of these you haven't had one good live action remake except maybe what like jungle book like i didn't see that one but i heard it was good i heard it was fine i heard it was great i'm literally holding my breath for the little mermaid because it it's just i know like it better be better than all this garbage because this mulan movie i'm telling you like and this sounds weird to say but it was like you know the reason that they split up the lee shang character into two was because they felt it would be inappropriate for her to have a like for for the sexual love interest to be her trainer her boss her superior but it's like guys it wasn't even that sexualized no it

wasn't it wasn't and i said maybe i'll tell you what you laid it on way too thick with this new character you created and that's what makes me feel like this feels insane to say but this movie was too pc it was like too concerned with like being received well that it was like literally not art also the colors were so like oversaturated it was bad it was that might have been your action wasn't thrilling no we watched it on a good tv okay and you checked the menu you went to menu and honey i set it up just right because i couldn't have been more excited to watch this when the trailer came out like you know we were so excited it looked so good and then you really realize like this story does not work without the music and it really doesn't work

when you throw in all these other complicating factors and i'm not saying put mushu in you know what i mean i understand why there's like no mushu no trickery shenanigans nothing like that no animated characters but you created so many complicators like can anyone describe to me in a sentence or two what the relationship between gong lee and mulan was what was that story it was just like i've been ostracized to come with me i mean i'm not saying like it's it's truly it's so thinly applied and Gong Li deserved better even though she was the best part of the movie. She was by far the best part of the movie because she's one of the best actresses in the world. Famed Chinese bitch Gong Li.

She is the diva. The grand diva. She is the bitch goddess of the world. And honestly, why was there there why couldn't she have just been the one antagonist i know i know like who did we care about like the the general the the leader of the other side i gotta say like i just i just we really gotta give props to the original animated feature hello it's so good and And after the movie ended, I watched one song from it, You'll Bring Honor to Us All.

And I was like, this three minute clip was so much better than that entire movie. And Make a Man Out of You is just such perfect. It's such a perfect vehicle to like show the audience

that they're all getting better and they're all becoming competent warriors. Yes. And then like, I don't know, it's just such a solid Yes. And then like, I don't know. It's just, it's just a,

such a solid film. And my favorite, favorite part that gives me chills every time I watch it is when, um, you know, she chases, first of all, I think it's the best Disney villain death in all of Disney history is when,

Oh God, what's the general's name? It doesn't matter. the leader of the Huns. Yeah. I'm not remembering the leader of the Huns. Anyway, he like finally like chases her up to the roof of the of the um imperial palace and then she all she has is a fan and he goes it looks like you're running out of ideas she takes he stabs her he swings at her she grabs the sword with her fan flips it disarms him

it's like so well done and it's like a thing of like oh she's weaponizing her femininity and like whatever she's like using it to like disarm and then like he gets killed by fireworks so fun so like well executed and then in this one it's like she kills the guy by kicking an arrow back at him girl on a construction site in the middle of this like desert yeah this it sucked and honestly i was just like you're waiting the whole movie for that amazing set piece at the palace like that incredible battle and i before i was talking to greta about it who also hated it she was like i think that you know when she's swinging on the chinese lamps like maybe they didn't want to be insensitive and i'm like no that is so annoying

like i was like that if that is so annoying. Like I was like that. If that is it, then congratulations. The movie is way worse for where because you you just extended the same set piece we've been watching for an hour and a literal half. But also not for nothing. But what what's insensitive about them having the final climax at the palace? I don't think that was it. I think they just got lazy. Yeah. Put a bit in the sensitivity thing what i do want to say is uh also what gives me chills every time i watch the animated is when the entire like crowd

bows to her yeah and they're all they're all watching this chase sequence it's like it's so thrilling it felt like you know like an avengers like third act thing before that before those were like you know commonplace in cinema i was just like this is so fun. It's like a big like showdown, like with a crowd watching, like that's so cool. And then what the sensitivity thing, it's so funny because nobody BTS was East Asian. I mean, almost nobody. You had white writers, white director,

you know, white producers. And you're just like, oh wait, like who cares if you're insensitive what's insensitive is that you shot this in xinjiang where like it's the site of like a wild chinese political firestorm and it's like why i don't know there's no sensitivity here that i don't we're giving them too much credit for thinking that it was insensitive for for her to be like grabbing a chinese lantern which existed you know it's like i don't know there's just so many tonal things that were wrong with the film i hated

how the film was basically the original animated feature up until the battle sequences where for at least like 20 minutes it became crouching tiger junior for kids and it's just like oh wait like you can't you gotta have an even mixture here it can't be like okay this chunk is where we make it like a fun war film and she's riding a horse with the blowout and then the rest of it is like a watered-down version of what we loved about the animated future where yeah you're right we don't hear her in a monologue we don't know we don't know anything about her yeah yeah yeah like there's no like you know that she's got this ability and her dad says tamper that down because people couldn't handle it well that now that you

know that's the case like that is her entire personality right has a secret which is not a personality whereas the animated mulan was you know tomboyish and goofy and, you know, not in her body when it came to, you know, being the quote unquote perfect or, you know, woman that you could that you could the perfect bride. You know, she did not fit into the mold of being a woman of that time in that culture. And you got that very clearly. Whereas this movie made deliberate choices to say, no, it's not that. It's just that she has a power, has a power, which is really unclear.

And then it's even more unclear later when Gong Li, the witch is like, you're just like me. And, and so now we're like, okay, is she just like her? Could she turn into like a bird and shit?

Like, yeah. What exactly is going on here? And not for nothing, but all of this would have been easier to take had the movie just not been so dreadfully boring and i don't understand what disney thought they were fixing like by making a disney movie without humor or music. Like when that was the touchstones of the original film. Yes. We should,

I should correct that. There was one EP, William Kong. He's from Hong Kong has worked on house of flying daggers and crouching tiger. And in an interview, the director, Nicky Caro said he was the one who encouraged Disney to consider non

Chinese directors, which is... Well, he was wrong. It feels like... I don't know. It's also just like, okay, well, then you're putting sort of the responsibility on this one person and sort of like shirking the blame by being like oh well this the one chinese guy we had as an ep like had the individual responsibility and the power to be like to make this okay which is sort of flawed but um regardless regardless of like whatever decisions were made like what we have is what we see and like i'm sorry but the movie started to sort of get better for me for a second when she took her hair out took her armor off and arrived back in battle with a with coming straight from the dry bar like yeah without a vest and like

able to kick everyone's ass i was like cool so this is like bordering on camp now so maybe this should have been camp from the beginning which means like i don't know include the songs like I don't get this like weird minimalist but not thing they're doing like sure the sets are so grand it's Disney you've got the best actresses for these parts doing it like you have people that are able to do this but you're you come 70% and another thing is like I don't know if you've looked at all these reviews. I believe they bought good reviews. I don't think that any film reviewer worth their salt could in good conscience give this a good review. I think they're giving it a good review

because they know what a difficult time it is right now for the film industry. And they really need this to succeed. And I guess I hope it does, but it's a shame that this movie is what it is. But there's like a weird too big to fail notion that we're attaching to disney which is like we love disney you you and i love disney yeah um but it's it's just so interesting i do want to shout out you know rosalind chow ron yuen

um zima i mean there are there are good performances in this film i think it didn't hit because also, you know, this like the relationship between Mulan and her father, that's like, that's like classic stuff. When they sit after, after in the original movie,

in the animated movie, when she messes up at the tea spilling ceremony or like her test with the, the matchmaker, she goes and sits in the garden and her dad sits down next to her and says, you know, look at all these beautiful flowers that are in bloom and that one hasn't yet,

but I believe that when that one blooms a little bit later than everyone else, it'll be the most beautiful. Like I'm about to cry. Yeah. Like that's such an effective. And then it's bookended when she comes back home

after everything. Presents him the sword and the medal and he doesn't even look at it, throws it aside and hugs her. Oh, my God. And he's sitting there. And I felt like it's crazy. You literally had that source material map it out for you. And still that moment at the end didn't emotionally hit.

I feel like the original, the animated feature is, I'm going to call it perfect. And I feel like pretty close they i feel like they took liberties and wanted and like sort of hubristically thought well we can try to modify and improve this it's like you can't it's you might just just just stick us i mean they kind of just beat for beat stuck pretty closely to it but just hollowed out like all the emotion except for like the bat except for the battle sequence where the way that the way that she kind of just beat for beat stuck pretty closely to it, but just hollowed out like all the emotion, except for like the, except for the battle sequence where the way that the,

the way that she like provoked the avalanche didn't even make sense. It made no sense. I was like sitting there like, what just happened? Was that her power? It's, it's so perfect in the animated where she just like, it's hopeless.

They're all about to die. They have one cannon left. And then she like sees from the reflection of her sword. Oh my my God, there's a huge, like, mound of snow on that mountain. And then, like, grabs Mushu, goes, and then, like, that's such a perfect scene in that movie. And one of the first animated movies to use CGI because they had to CGI all the Huns coming down the mountain. Just, like, technically such an epic, the original movie is epic, like balances the epic tone that it needs,

that the story needs, and it balances the fun and like the queer aspects of this story and all of these things and the action. And like, it's, it's, I think it's such a well-executed movie. And this movie just barely barely barely met that occasion and to recreate that and then i do want to say that um with the phoenix of it all julio i was talking to julio about this and julio torres says all the shots of the phoenix flying were very

like earn your sky miles yeah it was literally a commercial for fucking delta for delta or like for some for like you know china east airlines or something where it's like, wait a minute. Like, what are we, are we supposed to like just be wowed by the fact that it's a Phoenix? Like, I don't know. Like, let me ask you a question. So when Mulan leaves in the beginning and the dad like sort of like prays to that medallion, was that the Phoenix? That was the Phoenix, like, sort of, like, prays to that medallion. Was that the phoenix? That was the phoenix, yes.

Okay, so now it makes sense to me, because, like, he sent, he, like, spiritually sends the phoenix along to guide her. Yes, but then the phoenix, the phoenix just sort of, like, flies alongside her, and then, or was there when she, like, at the sulfur mine or whatever i guess but i don't know i feel like i feel like you i feel like you need him like mushu is such a perfect

character the grandma in the original is such a perfect character because she's comic relief and she's like yeah and she's like attuned to the ancestors so she's like ancestors please protect mulan and then that's when you the smoke travels to the to the temple to the shrine and then you meet mushu and that's such a fun story where he has to prove himself again it's like so well thought out yeah in terms of like the plot and this is just like badly constructed yeah so badly constructed and and not even not even badly constructed and like like yes if you were to look at the script on paper, it would work. But the fact of the matter is you can't just ignore the fact that we have the original movie to compare it to.

And it's not like it came out 100 years ago. You know, this came out when we were children. You know, a lot of Disney families now have seen this movie like i guess with all these live action remakes it seems like the question i have after every single one is like to what end like yeah to what end do we have mulan y'all probably are gonna make a ton of money that's for sure and maybe people will be interested again in the original but it's not like this was like some i think the original movie was more of a nod to the culture and was more respectful and more like all encompassing of like all the beauty of the culture and like it really my family watched that we were my family watched

that when we were young and we were like oh my god this is so fun like this is like we just appreciated the fact that, like, it was a Chinese movie about a Chinese myth and, like, all these, and like, culturally it seemed authentic, even though, like, that was also, like, you know, helmed by all these white people, but you know, I would like,

I bought the VHS when it came out, watched it obsessively. There were all these featurettes, like, around, like, you know, how they researched everything about, you know, they researched everything about you know sort of like the the embellished details of the myth at the time or whatever so i feel like it's there's a model of this being successfully done even if you take out the representation aspects of it bts which is like you know it's it's not like the biggest issue but it is tell it sort of like sets up all the failures that this live action remake has

well i feel like what i what it felt like they were gonna do when the trailer came out which i was kind of on board with was i had heard they were taking out all the music i was disappointed but then i saw the trailer and i thought oh they're gonna flat out make an epic drama yeah and i was like that's kind of cool that's like different for them and i saw that it was gonna be it's gonna be wuxia it's gonna be like a crouching tiger i was like great yeah but then and i saw that it was rated pg-13 and i was like this maybe this maybe this stands a chance at being an actual good movie maybe they want to make it like a prestige dramatic film yeah you can't have her go get a blood and blow out in the desert and and take off her armor and then swim through the air and not be the case so it's just like if it's not that and it's not what

it was what is it like that's my ultimate question with about mulan like i would love to sit the filmmakers down and say who is this for who is it for yeah it's for like the chinese market i guess it's like truly a play at like that is it well the way that like hollywood has had such a weird no it's not weird the way that hollywood has had this like raging boner for like trying to capture like american and right asian audiences for like years and years and years it like checks so many boxes for disney and like it makes sense why they remade it and why they like put a lot of thought into modernizing it reinventing it whatever but it's like it tried to mod it tried to reinvent in

in this very checkered way throughout the film but then it also like trying to stay true a little too much to what the animated was. It was trying to spin all these plates. I just feel like at this point, I mean, my favorite Disney movie from when I was little, I did not think they could remake because it's too revisionist. Like now knowing what we know,

which is Pocahontas. I feel like at this point why not fucking just do it like because literally why not just do it because it's not like you're trying to make them good they but they they shouldn't do it i don't know i don't care i i feel like they shouldn't do it because it's just like a fully traumatic thing about it. Absolutely. But here's the thing. Like, is there a way to do it where... No, I guess there's no way to do it.

There's literally no way to do it. The ending of that story... Is wrong. Long term is... Well, just that's... Oh, is... Well, literally, the story should be rape and she died of horrible disease. Yes.

So real Pocahontas whatever gets like rage gets gets gets gets brought to england yeah if people don't know this then what what actually what actually had happened to pocahontas is quite different than of course of course what a great love affair this has been over four days i have to stay behind and stay with my people that is not what happened even Even if you were to do beat for beat the original, which I agree is, I enjoy as a movie and like I cry every time she like runs to the cliff and like waves goodbye to John Smith on the boat.

It's the best music. It's incredible. The final score, the overture that plays as he leaves. Amazing. You can't get better than that. I might watch that tonight. Oh my God. Yeah.

And if we do watch it we'll watch it mindfully of the real story but as a disney animated film of those golden ages i think it is in terms of like the music the whom the humor the adventure the drama it is the best one that's interesting i thought your your like all-time favorite was beauty and the beast no no no beauty and the beast is thought your all-time favorite was Beauty and the Beast. No, no, no, no. Beauty and the Beast is not my all-time favorite. Although I will say this. I didn't think that I would think this years ago when I saw Beauty and the Beast live action. But I kind of think the Beauty and the Beast live action was the best one that's come out.

That's interesting. I never saw it myself. Oh, see, honestly, outside of emma watson says that it is it is yeah outside of emma watson not being able to sing like she sounds like a fucking someone said i forget who said it but she sounds like siri singing and that's what it is um but it is the best film out of all of them. Whereas this was horrible and Lion King, it just needn't even happen. It was also a lie to say it was live action.

It literally wasn't. And, um, you know, I'm really interested to see what's going to happen with little mermaid because it could be really goofy, but it's just going to be, it's, Me too. It could be really goofy, but I don't know. It's just going to be,

it's, I feel like it's just so technically hard to film something where everyone is underwater. Like, just think about that. Like, cause like, I remember,

I remember, I remember during, like in the making of finding Nemo, like the animators had such a hard time figuring out the way to make this, like, like moving through water look authentic and the way to make this like, like moving through water, look authentic and real. And it's like,

if you're going to have a hard time making computer things do that, where like you can control every single aspect of this, how are you going to make that look good when it's like human beings, like who don't really know like where to put their arms. Like, I don't even know where to put my damn arms when I'm on screen, when I'm on the ground. No,

it's almost impossible when you're on the, even when you're on the ground to know where to put your arms when I'm on screen when I'm on the ground. No, it's almost impossible when you're on the, even when you're on the ground to know where to put your arms when you're on screen. And that's, and that's a rule of culture number 94. It's almost impossible to know where to put your arms when you're on the ground on screen. Yeah. I do want to say one more thing. Speaking of like CGI, Jet Li having ADR and CGI mouth was truly very upsetting to watch in Mulan. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Here's to being dramatic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in?

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after. Who was Jet Li? He was the Emperor. He was the Emperor? Yes. You don't know who Jet Li is. No, I know who Jet Li is. i know who jet lee is i just did it didn't connect with me maybe at that point i got too fucking high because i'm telling you 30 minutes in i was like well forget it there's no turning back now i'm getting higher than i've ever been in my life if you're on a if you're on a an indica or a hybrid you see jet lee's mouth move along to

the crazy mixed sound of his voice. And you go, this is taking me out of my body. I cannot watch this. I don't, I don't, I don't begrudge you for that. How did I miss that? It's so upsetting to watch. Like he,

it's, it's like eight, it's like eighties Kung Fu movie dubbing, but it didn't have to happen because it's Disney. I did notice that he was kind of giving like a weird performance where it looked like he like when he was like up there on the on the thing like and he was about to burn to his death i was like why is he expressing no emotion at all yeah yeah yeah now it makes a lot of sense the the original emperor in mulan was so good too where you know he was just like no matter how hard the wind blows the

mountain cannot bow to it's like oh yeah like like thank like like please have this character like spit out these confucianisms like i don't care like it's fun writing like i i as an audience member enjoy like these like poetic illustrations of like confucianism. Like just give it to me, like give the children, like teach me what that is. Whatever, essentially it's a movie. Like let's go, let's be big. It's a movie.

Let's be the grand version of it. And I feel like it was in all the wrong ways and missed all the ways that it should have been. I will say this, despite the fact that the movie didn't move me in the slightest, I did almost shed a tear at the Ming-Na cameo i i was gonna say that ming na showing up is the most is the biggest emotional sort of flourish in that whole movie you're like

oh my god yeah and she and she delivered exactly what she was supposed to deliver which was like a knowing like cameo like yeah it's me yep yeah it's me she did she had that it's me energy and her voice is unmistakable when you hear it i was oh my god that's mulan's voice and then she moves out of the way and of course we have our mulan who's like fine can we talk about the voice cast in the original you had ming na wen you had bd wong you had harvey fire, you had so many like, I mean, two gay men in that cast. Donny Osmond vocals.

Donny Osmond vocals. I mean, give it up. What a great fucking movie. I fucking love Mulan so much. Mulan is my favorite sort of renaissance Disney. Mulan and Hercules and Little Mermaid are my three. And Aladdin.

I'm going to say, for me, it's Mulan, Pocahontas, Little Mermaid. And Hans, what do you mean three gay men? Three gay men. You can't just say three gay men. You have to elaborate on thoughts. It's a podcast, Hans. You have to elaborate on your thoughts. George Takei was the lead ancestor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also, I just want to say that Hans did say in the chat, he's been very vocal in the chat today, and he said, what about Aladdin in terms of the live-action remix? And this is what I'd say about that. I prefer what Aladdin was to what Mulan was because at least Aladdin, while it was like bad was having fun. You know what I mean? At least there was things about it.

I can remember like, did I love the song speechless? No, but it is a Matt Rogers. It is a Matt Rogers. It is a me song. I didn't write that. Speechless.

I will not go speechless. I will not remain speechless. I will not. I won't. It's actually real culture. Number 183. I will not go speechless. I will not remain speechless. I will not. I won't. It's actually Willa Culture number 183. I will not remain speechless. I won't. Matt Rogers.

I won't. And here's the thing. Aladdin might have been goof-a-loof and nothing compared to the original. At least it was fun. But at least it was fun and there was things about it that you can talk about. Yes. Mulan is just literally like, if I saw one more dusty scene,

girl. Girl. That's how, Mulan was dusty. It could have been, honestly, I was like, whatever,

sort of like making this like, you know, snarky comparison to Crouching Tiger. But it's like, you go back and watch Crouching Tiger. God, no comparison. What a fucking great movie. One of the greatest movies. If they just made like, you know, a more like, yeah, if they made a PG-13, Crouching Tiger was PG-13. Like, who cares?

It's like, there were no limiting factors here. They had every resource in the world to make this a great film. Literally. Here's how you fix the movie. And I'm not kidding. Like you have Mulan. It's a, it's a musical.

She, she is going about her life. She's trying to do the right thing. You see that she's got like, like, you know, adventurous impulses but she's going through the process of needing to become a wife and become a bride and she's not fitting in um you you cut to very very very far across the land you see like

um there is like a spiritual force that's making that's like causing all these soldiers to like do evil things you find out that's gong lee controlling them yes and and then their word comes back to the city we need to send one man from every family out there there's like an evil force that's invading and then the father can't go mulan goes in his place on her journey she finds out that it's this woman the woman takes an interest in her. That's the conflict right there. This like evil force, which is this woman who was not accepted,

who had possessed great power and great abilities. She tries to corrupt Mulan. It's up to them at the end. Eventually like Mulan gets the gongly to turn. It's too late to save her, but she like grows to understand what that meant how that repression and how that denial of true uh essence turned her into something evil mulan says that's not going to be me she's committing to who she is and at the end like and honestly

cut the love story that's how you that's how you could have fixed it. Yep. Just make it simpler. Matt Rogers, story breaker extraordinaire, script doctor. Well, girl, I have that degree. Cut the sand, add. Girl.

Add the Gong Li, Liu Yi Fei, like, you know, like sort of like duality narrative. Just lay that on the table. I was like, I was like shocked that there was more to it than that. That like Gong Li had to answer to this other evil guy that and then he was like if you go with me

you will be able to live in your true essence and it's like girl no she could live in her true essence however she wants like the reason why she's a witch she has superpowers she could crush you and then when she turns into a bird and takes the arrow from Mulan, I'm like, that didn't have to happen because we've seen that you're a witch who can just move her arm and knock that thing out of the air. Why did you have to die? I hate that shit. I hate when something is like just deliberately destroys the logic of what's been established. It just bothered me so much. And then I looked on Rotten Tomatoes and it had such a high score.

And I'm like, y'all are not being real. It's, um, yeah, it's suspicious. Okay. So Han says,

this is why Matt and Bowen need to be Flotsam and Jetsam. We were told we have it on good authority that Flotsam and jetsam are not in the live action the rumor is that flotsam and jetsam are not in it but they should have hired us to be flotsam and jetsam so that we could be or be there at the same time playing the parts also punching up the damn script yes but i if it if it wasn't us then we would have been okay with cock destroyers getting it too it should have been honestly once i hearders getting it too. It should have been, honestly, once I heard that there wasn't going to be Flotsam and Jetsam, I was disappointed

for us, but more disappointed for the cock destroyers, who really are the Flotsam and Jetsam that we deserve. Who's their Ursula? I want to think. I think you need to cast within... Ron Jeremy. Yeah. Oh my god, that's so good. Even though Ron Jeremy. Yeah. Oh my God.

That's so good. Even though Ron Jeremy is, um, entangled in a lot of legal troubles right now. Yeah. Ron Jeremy and no, honestly, if it was going to be the cock destroyers as Flotsam and Jetsam,

then you would need to get a drag queen. Then you would need to get like ginger man, a ginger man. Yeah. Ginger would be great. She really would have been, but you know, it's Melissa McCarthy and she'll turn a fun performance. It should have been Charlene. Honestly, Charlene would have been but you know it's melissa mccarthy and she'll turn a fun performance

it should have been charlene honestly charlene would have been an amazing ursula um all right have you what else are you watching right now okay we're i have well you need to watch you need to keep watching the vow so matt and i watched the first episode i was just gonna bring it up actually wait how far along are you i've watched the three episodes that have been out okay so what what are your thoughts on it now my thoughts on it my thoughts on it are that it is too slow and and and here's the thing it is a compelling story this could have been one documentary movie this did not have to be a series it's not i i don't think so honey that it's going to be nine episodes are you kidding me nine but wait wait wait i think the way that these people are setting up the narrative is interesting because it is really really really making this case that over such a long period of time this cult nexium like very insidiously slowly

like implanted into these people's brains that like it's not a cult and what we're doing is self-improvement and we're optimizing um and so it becomes very believable that these people would have stayed so long and then it becomes all the more shocking to me as a viewer that as soon as you find out about all this um dos stuff about all the the sex cult stuff the branding yeah the branding that you're like oh my god like this and it's so and they're so entangled in this you know structure of this organization that they have to very carefully plan their exit. And it's genius that they're all, and the,

and the reason it's so long is also because I think that, um, the Mark guy and the Sarah, uh, person are just the Mark guy is a documentarian. The Sarah person's an actress sort of gets what they both get, what they have to collect. And so they're collecting all of this footage,

all of these calls. And it just builds, it creates such a compelling story that I'm sure there's, there is definitely fat to be trimmed, but I think I am getting this dense, fully painted, like, you know, a presentation of how awful, like, you know,

a presentation of how awful, awful, awful this cult is. Yeah. So I was, when you just said it was nine, that's tough for me. Because I was actually just thinking that this is too long, that what I assumed must be only five episodes. But because they are literally repeating things we've already heard. too long that what I assumed must be only five episodes.

Because they are literally repeating things we've already heard. It's literally rehashing story beats in a way where I'm like, just not interested. That's Housewives, baby. That's Housewives. Yeah, but Housewives, it's a different thing. No, no. No, it is.

It is a completely different thing because Housewives, I have no defense of why you need it to be 16 episodes a season, but the NXIVM thing is just like, I think it's because we've seen things like this done before, and all I can say is i'm really engaged in the material until i'm just shocked at how long it's been going because they're not short episodes either they're like over an hour they come to such this like tense head though like each of them and like it's only getting more and more distressing i the gaslighting is if

you want a definition on what gaslighting is it's this like like oh sure when the lauren person tells sarah her best friend like there's actually nothing really that weird like about being branded like what's actually that weird about it you know what i mean like and like you know like it's it's you're doing it because you know it's what we do like why is it bad can you actually answer me the question why is it bad and then it's impossible for sarah to be like let me explain why it's bad for my body to be irrevocably branded with the initials of a man that owns the quote-unquote like life coach business that i'm a part of. It's crazy. Well, I think the show does a good job

of making that make sense, where you're like, oh, this Lauren person, Lauren Saltzman, the daughter of Nancy Saltzman, who is the sort of co-head of this cult, you're sort of taking in the fact that they are just it's a culture of like rejecting fear of of like fear being this like this like shitty conditional thing that's inside of you that's your fault you're at cause like all like all this language is so chilling and terrifying because you and i are watching the first episode together with greta and and the three of us were

like oh wait like this kind of like this kind of like tracks for me like this makes sense like well that's how it works yeah yeah that's how they get people is because basically what they're in the scientology does the same thing they're basically in the intro uh sections of these cults like in the entry level um classes anyway all they're really doing are you know know, exposing you to helpful therapy techniques or helpful practices for sound thinking or, you know, useful methods of sorting out the way that you feel. Can I say that's how conversion therapy was for me too. Like the first like four sessions were like, okay, wait, I'm like coming. It actually makes sense. Yeah. And I, like, four sessions were like, okay, wait, I'm, like, coming away from this with, like. It actually makes sense.

Yeah. And I feel like, I don't know, maybe the show is consciously, like, reflecting that where it's like, oh, like, it's building a case for, like, how, like, you know, innocuous or how, like, helpful this organization is. And then what a fucking turn it takes when you get to the branding part. Because the branding part because the branding part was very effectively portrayed to me um or just sort of like just like kind of like presented in this documentary form where i was like on i was so fucking tense watching it and i don't usually have that sort of like visceral somatic response to to that kind of thing when i'm watching it but i'm just like oh my god oh my god like you my god! It was so distressing. I feel like it is a very distressing view, and I find it very

not educational, I just feel like it is informational in a very compelling way. Well, yeah, I mean, it's literally, I would say there's a lot of really great choices that the documentary is making. Like, this is small, but I do love the very long phone conversations that we see. And I love the backdrop that they appear on. And I love the way that those are presented, like, pretty much in real time without being edited. And I find that you really feel the intensity

of those phone calls when you're sitting in the pauses. And I really appreciate that those are being played as those conversations were had. One thing I'm not loving about the documentary are the acted reenactments, like Bonnie running through the salt flats, like with tears in her eyes, like when she was sitting on her husband's lap and all of a sudden she was

crying hysterical. I'm like, is this real time? Is this right? Is this a reenactment? Like, like closeups on people's faces while they're shaking and crying. Like,

um, and it's very clear that like, are these actresses just wanting to act right now like i just i think it's unclear yes linearly what is happening time-wise and i i do think that's bad that is bad and i think that is a result of these two documentarians, I forget their names, who have their name on the whole thing. But it's mostly Mark's footage. Right. And Mark is this like award-winning,

renowned documentarian himself. And it's like, I'm kind of curious to know if he had just had full reign over like how he wanted to tell the story with the footage that he had himself recorded and the calls that he had himself recorded with Sarah. That would have been interesting.

I feel like there was this, this extra editorial perspective from these two documentarians who took all that footage and then like sequenced it themselves, threw in these like reenactments, these weird overhead shots of people at like a different like frame rate and a different resolution like these people like running and um doing all these things that sort of take you out of the storytelling yeah for sure i mean for me my my reaction to the vow thus far has been wow i hate nexium what an evil company what an evil uh person that's running this like this is horrible and that to me is

separate from whether i think the documentary is good which is like not really because i think that i think i think it's just really sort of molasses pace it is very it is very slow very and honestly it's not super bothering me the way that like, let's just say this. I'd rather watch nine episodes of this than Mulan again. But like, I wish it was just a little crisper. You know what I mean? Because I've been watching so many documentaries lately, and I'm so surprised with how much I'm willing to watch. Like, you know, that Epstein documentary on Netflix, I was like flying through it.

I was just like, I was like, this is... I couldn't watch after the first episode because I was like, I already kind of know everything there is to know about this. I guess, yeah. And maybe that's the thing with Next Game is we haven't necessarily seen this story expressed as explicitly and clearly.

And, you know, it is kind of crazy to know that, you know, they had like Kristen Kruik like in there and like um i didn't watch smallville but apparently alice and mac had like a very large role on it she was like his she was like clark's best friend or whatever she like um was like the alice in hannigan to like his buffy she her um lauren saltzman nancy saltzman keith renieri obviously and everyone in like the first ring of that cult of that like sex cult um all deserve like just the worst just the worst they deserve prison time after we abolish the car the carceral state i don't know well when they are awful how are they all in jail now they're not they're awaiting sentencing um but the the sentencing has

been postponed due to covid so who knows but and who knows how hopeful i mean i'm sure like you know there's precedent for something like this where like a documentary comes out about the case and or about you know i mean they're not it's not going to be easy for easier for them now i bet they wish that sentencing hadn't been postponed. The minimum for, I want to say, Lauren and Allison Mack, I read was, the maximum was 15 years, which I'm like, baby, that ain't enough.

Yeah. Like, these people are fucking evil. Well, didn't Allison Mack plead guilty to racketeering? She pled guilty to racketeering. They all pled guilty to their charges. Keith got the most. I think Nancy got the second most.

And then Lauren and Allison Mack. And then like the Seagram's heiress. That one. Yeah. Can I ask a question? What is racketeering? So it's like a racket is just like basically like an illicit way of making money. Where you're just like a protection racket is like pay me this money or I'll fuck up your like, you know, your business.

Like a racket is just like you get money through illegal ways. So they were like collecting collateral and, you know, like collecting money and like all this shit. And so, you know, that money and like all this shit and so um you know that is the main charge but i just feel like on the like um i just i don't know on a dumb moral level um it's just so shitty that um yeah i mean they did that and also just like the pain that people had to go through like that women had to go through to and honestly i haven't we're only three episodes in of the nine episode thing so who knows how dark this is gonna get to be honest with you it hasn't really gotten into the specifics of the sexual relationships he had with any of them yet which i'm sure is coming but one thing

i do like about the documentary is it really does like an onion. As you peel, it's just more and more and more. And it's really crazy. And another thing is they are becoming terrifying as it continues. Like Nancy from the first episode to now, I'm like, you are a freak. And Keith is like, that's a true crazy person. True crazy person true crazy person anytime readers anytime someone tells you that they know someone or they are this person that they're the smartest person in the world that they've that they they aced an iq test like president donald trump i used to work at a park

avenue doctor's office in college where he like would give all of his patients this iq test and like um he'd be like I've aced it I've done all this like I was like oh you're running you're a snake oil salesman and like these people use these meaningless you know like meters or whatever the fuck to like tell you or legitimize the fact that they are the smartest person in the world anytime someone's doing that like like anytime someone's directing that knowledge at you that information at you um call the police after we defund you know like that stuff yeah so it's just um yeah i mean everyone's getting more terrifying lauren saltzman is terrifying to me. Yeah, she's crazy because it's so powerful

to be, like, a cool girl and be doing this. Yes! It's so sick. Allison Mack, I don't find to be a cool girl. Her, like, fucking strumming on the guitar, singing these corny-ass songs at people's weddings. I'm like, oh, you fucking suck. I could, like, roast your ass, like like any time of day if i ever whatever whatever

she is so that girl though that you worship for like a year and a half in college not me not me i saw right through that show i was like oh you fucking suck get out of my way i had any way fish girl with an instrument when i was in college i was like oh my god we're gonna go baby we're gonna go see cheyenne perform at the the cheyenne oh my God, we're going to go see Cheyenne perform at the Cheyenne! We're going to see Cheyenne Bless perform tonight at the Crystal Hangar. Cheyenne Bless! No, I gotta say,

growing up in Mormon country in Colorado, every girl that was like an Allison Mack was Mormon, and I was like, ha ha, you dumb. I was just like, no, I don't need to see this. Bye. Now, are Mormons dumb? Yeah. No.

Mormons, I can't wait for Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Me either. I was talking to Marty Gould Cummings. I was on their podcast. We were talking about Housewives, and I was like, I'm kind of excited for Salt Lake City because these Mormon women are very good at giving you an exterior presentation of i'm cool like oh yeah

i'm like a i'm a painter and you know i i have this website that's really chicly designed they're very tech savvy they're very like pr savvy they like can cultivate this persona of coolness and like it is kind of i want to say like culty where it's like, hey, come here. We're cool. And this is all stuff that you can get on board with. And so I'm very excited to see sort of that, a new sort of... I want a trailer so bad. I know, me too. Wait, what's going on?

Well, it's coming out soon. And Andy tweeted about it. He was like, he described it like as a blow away. He's like, it is a whole different flavor of Housewives. Like you've never seen a Housewives like this. And I think that it is a really good opportunity with it because kind of like what you're saying, where it's like these Mormon women, like-

Imagine they're all Leahs. Right, right. They're Leahs, but they, you know, think everybody gets their own planet when they die. Right, but I feel like my estimation of what Mormon culture is like is it is very, like, keeping up appearances, but underneath the surface, like,

there's shit going on. There's jealousy going on. There's secrets going on or whatever. Yes, that like what we might get from salt lake city especially with a new cast that we haven't seen interact with each other on television and also they haven't seen themselves interact on television right is we might get a sort of return to form which we used to have with the other franchises which was you kind of saw the cracks in the china before they cracked like now it's like on every franchise including potomac which has been unbelievable this season it's kind of like everyone knows

everyone's gig you know like there's no hiding anymore like no forget it like when you have someone like lisa rinna on beverly hills there's no hiding and we have. Forget it. When you have someone like Lisa Rinna on Beverly Hills, there's no hiding. And we have to say thank you to Lisa Rinna because she did give one of the most iconic lines of the year with, You liked the tweet. And in liking the tweet, it says everything. It says everything. I still enjoy. So angry, Denise.

You're so angry Denise you're so angry Denise you are angry angry she's done it two episodes in a row it's oof

you're so angry Denise you are so angry you are so angry and then you like the tweet and in liking the tweet it says everything

it says everything like if that's not a meme for the year 2020 I don't know what is. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome.

And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them.

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you get your podcasts. policy and what's next for the country i am running to be president for everybody but i'm clear-eyed about the history and the disparities that exist for specific communities and i'm not going to shy away from that don't miss this in-depth interview with charlemagne the god and vice president kamala harris only on the breakfast club catch the full interview now on the black effect podcast network iheart radio Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You and I saw the finale of Beverly Hills together and we both turned to each other and we didn't need to read the live tweets or anything. We were just like,

oh, that's a fucking moment. Yeah. Wait, can we do it again? Yes. Ooh, Denise, you're so angry angry no you're playing dirty i'm not playing dirty i'm playing to me dirty denise you are also you forget denise you are are angry and she's like laughing like but also the beginning of the scene i really really missed you. I miss you too, Denise. I miss you too.

I miss you too. Denise is also a star where she's like, what'd she say? Who told you? Who told you that? Who told you that? Who told you that? Oh my God.

She's an actress. She gets how to make something cinematic. Well, they are, they're not only, are they just actresses, but they are soap stars. They are soap stars and they will give you the moment.

Sitting on that couch, they knew exactly what was happening. They might not have been happy about it, but they are going to deliver on it. And the thing is, I've been having a lot of discussions recently about whether or not Denise is going to return and i'm torn about what she's going to do because on the one hand she's had such a miserable experience like and it's been so clearly drawn in the sand the line like we're on this side you're on that side and they've so clearly made it apparent how they feel about her and how they're going to feel about her going forward but on the other hand it's like she's hasn't been this famous irrelevant in years and she is so powerful on the show because they all can't stop talking about her because they bother she bothers them so much because she doesn't need the show no she doesn't need the show. No, she doesn't need the show at all. And they can't stand it.

Because Erica knows, and I love Erica, but Erica knows her career is pretty reliant on the show. Kyle is only the show. Yeah. Rinna is only the show. Rinna at this point, she can go do whatever she wants, but I think Rinna relishes in the show and loves her job. And I think she

comes, I genuinely think she goes there to go to work garcelle is out she's not she's not coming back and to be honest with you i'm not actually gonna miss her because she's not actually a good housewife i think she'll be great on the real i love garcelle bouvet like i i maybe i'd love her on another show maybe they want to spin her off and give her her own reality show she's just not a good housewife she doesn't mix it up she doesn't get involved she said some stuff about other housewives that they went over in the last episode of the reunion and she really shied away from it like she i by the way we should say it was so fucked up what kyle said to her about not paying at the charity did you see this no i i have not really kept up with beverly okay so

so at the reunion kyle richards um and garcelle were getting into it and kyle goes garcelle you came to my charity function and raised your hand for five thousand dollars and never paid and garcelle was like that is not true and she said that is not true about 10 times and kyle was like there's no payment been made and it's just like fuck you kyle because we all know that five thousand a a five thousand dollars is nothing to garcelle it was clearly just a mistake or something happened b you're really gonna be the one who's gonna turn to the one black woman on the cast and be like you didn't pay not good yeah and then andy asked garcelle he was like what has it been like being the only black woman on this show and she was answering how you know she feels like a lot of the women

like didn't make an issue about with her about certain things because of her race or like tiptoed around her and was sort of intimating that like she wasn't able to actually have like a housewives experience because she felt like people felt nervous to get into it with her she was they didn't want to be the white they didn't want to be the white bitches getting into it with exactly and kyle was the first one to be like i didn't think about that at all and i was like well maybe you could have thought about it a little bit more because you just said to the one black woman that she didn't pay at your charity event yeah over,000 bucks, which is nothing. Which is nothing.

And you kept that information until the reunion. Of course she'll be fine. She's got a new gig. Yeah, exactly. She's on the real. How do you feel about, someone just posted a meme of this today, so keeping up with the Kardashians is over,

is no more. How do you feel about Kris Jenner joining Beverly Hills? Joining Beverly Hills? Wouldn't that be fun? is over is no more how do you feel about chris jenner joining beverly joining beverly hills like that wouldn't that be fun oh that would be an amazing idea that would be an amazing idea and so smart but the thing is i think chris jenner would not do it because i think chris jenner ultimately needs to be in the edit room and and as a producer and i don't think that she would allow someone else to manipulate her image unless she was given producer credit. But I think in theory, it's an amazing idea.

No, you're absolutely correct though. In theory, I think it's great. And how do you feel about it ending? Truly the end of an era. I mean, I never watched it either, but it is culturally significant that it ends. Sure, but you know, I mean like the impact is forever sort of like done. Like, you know, I mean, like, the impact is forever sort of, like, done.

Like, you know, that family is that family. 20 seasons. I know. Well, they will continue to have influence. They will continue to be in the conversation. I mean, you know, not much will change beyond just the programming of E as a network, you

know? Ryan Seacrest is out of a job. So that's kind of all that means to me, even though I don't watch it. Yeah, I mean... Humble beginnings, though. If you watch that show early on, though, like, from the few episodes I've seen, from the early seasons, it's, like, such an interesting...

Oh, the aesthetic was so different, yeah. Sure, but it's just such an interesting, like, peak into, like, an inflection point of, like, massive fame where you're like, oh, this was, like, you know, this kind of, like, weird kooky household and, you know, they were involved in the OJ case and, you know, the dad died and, like, all this stuff.

But now it's, and Kim is Paris' friend and now it's like, oh, my God. What a fucking change yeah yeah i mean you know i just think like i think it might have a little bit to do with the fact that like their situation is now too sensitive with the kind of it all it's like i don't i don't think i don't think there's much left for them to mine out of what their situation is because i think maybe kim kardashian and kanye west are the real deal and are going to stay married and like if you're actually going to

sit and wallow in what kim's everyday issues are it's going to get pretty fucking dark pretty fucking soon for sure for sure girl listen i think it might be time to move on okay to the segment that well do you know do you remember the segment i think i do i was trying to think of a segment maybe reader let us know i feel like we should add a new element to the to the you and me shows which is like you know a miniature shortened version of top 200 moments gotta say i love that you said i love the way you said miniature. You said it like miniature. Miniature. What do you mean? I say miniature. And you say miniature.

Miniature. Miniature. I don't. You're I'm just collapsing my vowels, which is my right. Which is my right. I'm not impeding on your rights. I'm just saying, can I can I actually just ask you a question? Yeah. So the other day I was with some people and apparently I say bagel weird when I use it in a sentence.

Okay. I don't know what that means. I think that they might have been gaslighting me. So listen. Here's how I say the word bagel. Okay. Bagel. Now I'm going to use it in a sentence.

I'll just have a salted bagel. I can't spot it. Okay. Bagel. Now I'm going to use it in a sentence. Um, I'll just have a salted bagel. I, I don't, I can't spot. Okay. Then my friends were gaslighting me. Wait. Okay. Do, do that again. Bagel. Yeah. Hey, if you guys are going to get a bagel, I guess I'll just have everything. Okay. I said it the same, right? right yeah but i don't even care that you're i don't even care that your friends were gaslighting you i feel like i i'm going crazy now thinking it doesn't matter oh my god i i'm going crazy it was brendan skinnell and joel kim booster and they they were cackling at me because i was saying bagel differently than I say it in a sentence. Do it again. Okay, fine. Here's the word.

Don't say the word isolated. Just say the sentence. I'm like, okay, oh, I've got so much scallion cream cheese. What should I do with it? Well, I think what you should do is put it on a bagel. Am I saying bagel? No. Okay, good.

Okay, I'm sorry. But maybe it's because now you're aware of it. No, I'm telling you, I was saying it the exact same. I was saying it the exact same. And they were laughing at me. And they were like, you are, you're saying it weird. You're saying it weird. And it was so infuriating.

It was Saoirse Ronan, so infuriating. So infuriating. Ooh, you are Denise did you see that trailer with uh Saoirse and Kate Winslet being lesbian fossil diggers oh yeah that's fun I mean isn't that like such a I feel like that's such a a throwaway joke though when you're like a lesbian paleontologist it's like I mean two lesbian fossil diggers is a 30 rock joke but um the movie looks pretty good i mean it's kate winslet and sirsha i love that i love that being lesbian together sirsha's in the new wes anderson movie that hasn't come out yet but but apparently but like what was she she was

she's been in wes anderson stuff before right she was in moonrise it doesn't matter was she i don't know she was in grand budapest probably oh maybe one of those yeah something like one of those anyway anyway um this is no no no no no no no i want to say oh i i want to i want to we're just like sort of live pitching here okay like a miniature version of top of like top 200 maybe we like each each week we present we'll do this for the next time we do just the two of us oh here's good thing of us. Oh, here's good thing. Why don't we have. Here's good thing. Here's.

Oh, here's good. Title of apps. Title of app. Here's good thing. Exclamation point. I think that the readers should pitch topics of different things we can count down and we'll come in the top five thing of those topics. I love that.

And we'll both bring in and we'll compare notes. Yes. So, oh, even if there's overlap, we'll be like, oh, I had that too. Yes. And then we can call it top five.

No, I think we call it here's good thing. Here's good thing. Here's good thing. Okay. Well, that's the title of this episode and it's also the title of an upcoming segment on this podcast that's the title of this episode, and it's also the title of an upcoming segment

on this podcast. And the title of the episode is promo for the segment. Yes. Oh, genius. Lots of layers to the marketing. A hundred percent, honey. Okay, so readers, let us know what you'd like us to talk about. We'll sort of get a collective sense of what

you want us to count down. I like this. It's very Kelly Clarkson, of what you want us to count down. I like this. It's very Kelly Clarkson, uh, Kelly Yoki of us to crowdsource ideas and then come with our own takes. Very Kelly Yoki of us. Okay. This is,

I don't think so, honey. This is where we each take one minute to rail against something in the culture. Matt, do you have something? I have something. I do.

Well, I will say, I'll say this. I actually came into this episode thinking my I Don't Think So Honey would be Mulan, but I think what we ended up doing was a 45-minute Mulan I Don't Think So Honey, so I do have something else. I love

that. Okay, so, and you have it ready? Yeah. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, The View recast Sarah Haynes. For what? I kind of have the same response to this as I do with Mulan. Certainly not for her political insight.

And y'all, I hate to remind you this, but we are in the election cycle. And also, it's weird to me that you would replace Abby Huntsman with Sarah Haynes. That does not seem like a one-to-one. And I have to say, I do think so, honey, Anna Navarro, who was literally sitting there being by far the most entertaining cast member,

and you don't cast her as a permanent co-host after what she's done for you? I don't think so, honey. The disrespect that that has, the disregard that that has, the inability to see gold right before your eyes that that has the disregard that that has the inability to see gold right before your eyes that that has 15 seconds lack of energy that that has the lack of diversity that that has sarah that that has she's like this she's like a uh you know just she's like just like a mom

you know i mean not that we don't need a mom but like reductive but like there's not anything going anyway that's that's one minute but like she's just like an every woman in the way where it's like she's out of a job i don't need every woman on the show i need some real political insight some some diversity of opinion and i don't think we're getting that with her and after strahan kiki and sarah ended i guess this is a good place to put her but i mean it's honestly nothing against her as a person it's just i don't get it yeah you're you're right i mean we're we're in a very consequential election obviously i feel like you're bringing in you know dnc-ish moderate liberalism like you know what i mean like it's kind of just like she's like

like a like a robin's egg blue yeah yeah fruit at the bottom you know fat-free greek yogurt very bad i'm just kind of like bored i'm just i'm just like anna cool bring in anna bring in anna navarro bring in anna she's she's politically to the right but I you know I she's fun TV she's fun TV and I also get why they put Abby Huntsman on because she was a moderate Republican and it's just they they didn't so then bring on Anna Navarro who's also a moderate Republican well she she would she would more identify as like a moderate period now um I think sure but because she doesn't identify you're bringing what. You're bringing a moderate Democrat in with Sarah Haynes? I felt what they should have done

was bring in a very progressive person because I think that- Absolutely, Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez. Yes, to the view. I was like, Whoopi is not super progressive. Sonny, I guess Sonny is like progressive, but not really. She's a little DNC-ish for me.

Joy can be frustrating. Joy's pretty DNC. She's the most liberal, but, you know. And then Megan's Megan. God, they should have brought in someone like, I don't know. I said Anna Kasparian from The Young Turks, although I don't think she would take the job. Sure, or someone like, you know amy valella yeah right like just someone fun that's

like i don't know like engaged involved and i think that they're missing like a very progressive voice you know what i mean yeah like i don't and the thing is like i feel like they they think because this is the one-to-one people like them would make. They'd be like, well, if we have someone really progressive, then we need a Trumper, which is not true because like. No, that's not true at all. Not true at all because one is a valid point of view and one is an invalid point of view.

Right. So anyway, but I just, I'm not, I'm not excited about her coming back to the show because I just don't think she brings like a dynamicism. Sure. Totally, totally. But anyway. Are they doing it in studio again? coming back to the show because I just don't think she brings like a dynamicism sure totally are they doing it in studio again the only one that's in studio right now

is Sarah because Sunny's continuing to do it from home so is Joy so is Whoopi and Megan is like eight months pregnant so okay well we wish her the best don't we we do alright I've publicly made so many tasteless megan mccain jokes

that i'm like she's i'm sadly not one of her gay friends isn't that a bummer i know but here's here here's what i have to ask you here's what i have to ask you i sometimes think about this i'm being i'm being totally facetious by the way for anyone listening who's if andy booked you on watch what happens live and you were on there with megan mccain would you have a good time with her no you wouldn't even be like with her i'd be like hi it's nice to meet you and i would i have such few opportunities to be because i'm not like i don't consider myself like a mean person i have such few opportunities to be like a bitch that i would relish in the opportunity oh my god like you but you you know me like anytime there's an opening for me to be like a hint of a bitch

like you like to be a bitch well when it's when it's justified and so i like you know a couple this thing happened in the biz a couple weeks ago and i was like this is my like time to shine and like i felt very good and comfortable about being a little bit of a bitch because people deserved it and so now i'm like if if megan mccain and i were on watch what happens live together i'd be like hi you're noxious you are you are corrosive bile in our media landscape. Thank you. And this is where I differ because I think that I wouldn't want it to ruin my Watch What Happens Live experience. You have a duty to be cruel to Meghan McCain. No.

You really do. I would not want to be cruel to her. I would make it clear that we don't agree on very much of anything outside of the fact that trump needs to fucking go i'd make it clear but i also know that watch what happens live is not the space for me to fucking get into it with megan mccain oh no i'm not gonna be like it's not gonna ruin my watch what happens live that's for fucking sure i'm not gonna be rude to her while the cameras are rolling i'm just like when when like we like get walked onto set or whatever i'm just gonna when when like we like get walked onto set

or whatever i'm just gonna be like oh hey yeah this is all assuming that she'd like want to engage with us too sure absolutely she probably hates us she is always on that show she's always on that show which he books her so much um but i you know what's interesting about you and i i bet people on face value would think that i'm the bigger bitch sure really yeah i but it's you no i'm the bigger bitch when like in very selective pockets of time i am generally i'm i'm generally i try very hard to be I mean but I reject this notion that I'm not approachable like you like Matt's getting a lot of DMs from people who are

like hey send Bowen this nude or whatever or something to that effect I literally will get I literally will receive nudes for Bowen and I have to say I don't think so honey that I'm receiving nudes for Bowen just send me the nudes I am not Bowen's publicist me the nudes. And also, date requests for Bowen.

Like, I am not Bowen's publicist. No. Oh, that's, yeah, I hate that. I don't think so, honey, that I, Matt is not my publicist. Please do not, like, solicit things that have to do with me from Matt. I am not his assistant. I am not his publicist. I am not his manager.

That is so annoying. I am, please. Direct all inquiries to Bowen Yang himself if you would like to inquire with him. Thank you. Thank you. It also makes me feel bad. I know. I'm just kidding.

It really doesn't. In fact, sometimes I'm like, well, actually, I'd rather get all this stuff so I can get some insight into how people are feeling. Oh, that's fun. I just want to say that um you and i are bitches in different ways how am i a bitch that's all you are you you um are very agile in your bitchiness you can sort of like if you i'm i'm saying when you need to be a bitch, you do it on such a quick pivot.

I'm like, I got to really like let something like sit with me before I'm activated into my bitchy. I would say that you are more passive aggressive and I am more aggressive. But I can be aggressive. I think we both can be both. But I would say that on the sides of the spectrum that's where like i think you're bitching you are more of um

you're more of a measured like sub tweeter and i'm more of a what did you say yeah i'm not i would never go what did you say yeah yeah no that's amazing i'm more of a uh here's me looking you in the eyes confronting you and you're more yeah hmm that happened and then 25 minutes later something searing appears on social media or i'll go like you know someone says something rude to me i'll be like well, the world needs dreamers. And then I'll walk away or something. The world needs dreamers. Needs dreamers.

Whereas I'm throwing plates. I love that. But apologizing immediately. Okay, so this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. Oh, this is mine. This is mine. I'm sorry. Yes, you had a wonderful one.

Yes, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. Wow, he forgot that I did one. No, it was great. I just, we went on such a tangent. Anyway, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time, he his, starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, the price point on air purifiers. I am shopping for an air purifier

and I'm looking at the cheapest models and they're like 400 i go you cannot do what my playstation 4 does sweetheart you zap little dust particles and that's all you do and then you cycle them back out so you so my so i'm breathing cleaner air that's wonderful you should cost at most $150. You're not doing that much, sweetie. 30 seconds. You're doing one thing decently, I would say, whereas my PlayStation 4 game console, honey,

is doing everything. It is connecting me to the internet where I can buy games. It is bringing me to new fantastic worlds and it is opening up experiences to me that i'm enjoying so air purifiers you gotta be priceless the market is real bullshit right now with the air purifiers and that's one minute you know it's one of those things where it's like you always want one but i actually never know what's what's a good price point to spend on them well i feel like we are being like conned into thinking oh you know it's it's i guess i guess this is how much they cost which i'm sure like they're very sophisticated pieces of machinery but i'm also like no i mean like i what are they like $200 I bought the cheapest air purifier from molecule it's like 350 that's

crazy and I was just like what I guess this is my only option see that's that's like that's like one of those things where it's like you find out how much of much it is and you're like no way like I would never have thought they'd be more than $200 you know what's it well you know what's an expensive item that you never would think is this expensive? Like muscle guns? Massage guns? No. Well, I bought one of those for $130 and it was worth it.

Shears. Like shears that you cut hair with go for like hundreds and hundreds of dollars. No. I found this out while I was hosting Hot Dog. No, that's too much money. That is too much money i can do i can tag and rip something with my own two hands and it'd be free my mother confirmed i was like i had no idea she is for that expensive she's like oh yeah that's why i always get so mad

when i drop mine because they're so expensive yeah did you feel like you understood your mother in a deeper way yeah well i had no idea that they were such an investment. But also, there's so many different kinds you can get. But girl, this is for the readers. When you go into there to your beautician, just know that that is an expensive piece of machinery. So just another reason to sit absolutely still. Get your blowout, girl, because that blowout is going to pay for some new shears that they deserve. Honey.

And then, of course, after you get your blowout, ride into pay for some new shears that they deserve. Honey. And then of course, after you get your blowout ride into the desert to fight the Huns. Ooh, what a great song. What a great movie. I'm going to watch Pocahontas, even though I will be shocked at Mel Gibson's presence in my, in my ears.

You know, I think I actually might watch Pocahontas tonight too, to be honest. It's a horny movie. Yeah. Well, you know what scene I love Cocoa had it all he had it all I think she should have taken this movie she should have married Cocoa

but honestly the scene where John Smith and Pocahontas first see each other and they're standing on the rocks in the mist and they're just staring at each other because they've never seen anything like each other that to me was art. It's art.

It transcends the medium. It's like, it doesn't even matter that it's animation. It's like, oh my God, what a, what a, what a beautifully done scene. Outside of the fact that it's a revisionist and it didn't really happen. Well, and also that she looks like Alessandro D'Ambrosio, like with like an eight inch waist and double D tits.

Totally, totally. Cheekbones sitting high to the sky, gongly. The longest hair you've ever imagined. Long Kim Kardashian hair. A fucking banging Jamaican dance hall ass, as Tina Fey calls it. Yes, I will say my one big note with Pocahontas is too many animals too many

sidekicks you got the pug you got the little flit you got the little hummingbird and then you got the raccoon it's like there's too many animals here yeah yeah you gotta you gotta it's it's same problem that moana had unfortunately too many animals um and moana's problem is that the whole middle was so boring well mulan had the perfect amount of animals. You had Mushu, you had the lucky cricket. That was it. And the horse, but the horse was more of like a... Was just there.

Girl, where was the cricket? Where was the cricket? Was the cricket. The cricket was important in the matchmaker scene. The cricket's the reason the matchmaker session failed. And you got a damn spider coming out. Why is there a spider in that matchmaker's house? Stupid.

You know what? It's actually like, also that part always bothered me because it's like in the animated movie, the grandmother gives the cricket for luck and then the cricket gets loose. So it really is essentially the grandmother's fault. So that's one note for the original movie.

And also in this new movie, the spider being there. I mean, honestly, all she had to do is be like, there's a spider under the car. Spider there. And my sister, as you can can see is having a conniption fit this this is what should have happened pretend i'm mulan okay pour the tea dearest matchmaker there appears to be i apologize for talking out of turn there appears to be an arachnid creature making its way down into the teapot. May I please dispose of it?

Thank you for telling me. You may pick up the cup and dispose, and we'll begin again. Oh my God, it would have been great. The matchmaker was fun. Sudi and I watched it together, and then at that very moment, when the spider comes down,

she goes girl what did you think of Mulan speak for her well Sudi well Sudi and I thought the same thing and she was like you know it's these beautiful landscapes and these actor these poor actors doing their best with their five- word lines you know like it's just it is what it is and um unfortunately it's what we had anyway so and unfortunately it's what we had that's really what we have to say about mulan ultimately is unfortunately it's what we had that's what we had well this has been a true culture catch-up yes i loved this culture catch up. It felt like a return to form. Wouldn't you say? I would say.

And you know, we really dug in on Mulan and I guess our ultimate, uh, reaction is no, no. And now we close every episode with a song. We'll have you washed and dried and primped and polished. Do you glow with pride?

Trust my recipe for instant brine you will bring honor to us to us bye bye I'm NK and this is Bye. Bye. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case.

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