Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Honey Don't Skip!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

In this post culture awards culture catch up, Matt & Bowen are on a journey of love, recaps, crest white strips, Beyonce, 14 friends, and demands from Margaret Cho about not missing a PrEP day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. My girl's got a white strip in. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I do have a white strip in I do have a white strip in you have to help me remind me at 30 minutes to take my white strips out from now?

30 minutes from now? yeah like from now I put them on like 2 minutes before are we fucking gagging? can I be honest with you? we're gagging? no no no we're gagging? Can I be honest with you? We're gagging? No, no, no, no. We're gagging.

I still have not gotten enough listens in. So I form my opinion, which is that I'm obsessed and this is such an exciting new direction. But I am like, I need to like listen to it maybe five more times before I'm like, yes, I'm ready to be off book now. You know what I mean? I need to be off book. I think this is, well, clearly the song of the summer. Period.

Clearly. Period. And around the fourth or fifth listen, you really understand what we're dealing with here. What is it? What is it? What is it that we're dealing with? We're dealing with a sea change. We're dealing with Beyonce Renaissance.

Yeah. We're dealing with Sweyonce renaissance yeah we're dealing with sweat on me daddy we're dealing with this coming on both in the club and outside on the block party on the block party the barbecue wherever we are at the barbecue we're dealing with this coming on at graduations weddings at funerals children will be children are singing song. This is a moment in culture. Oh my God. And I'm saying it. No, I agree.

And the way that she gave us the like, clubhouse spiritual successor to Dolly Parton's 9 to 5, that's history. So much is going on here. Break it down. So much is going on. Break it down. For a nine to five

spiritual successor to come out in the year 2022 i mean times have changed oh and we've needed this word can you believe there hasn't been a song that's about how like wow it's hard out there like they work me so damn hard they work me so damn hard. Capitalism is labor is in a crisis right now. She said labor workers need a song. The queers need a song. America needs a song. The summer needs a song and to drop it on the solstice

which which what a witch you're saying which witchy witchy witchy woman which is a noun. Have you have we discussed this yet? I bet not because the rumor is she was originally going to release three albums at the same time act one which was going to be well okay i don't have the numerical assignments here but it was going to be a house and a dance album in one a country country album in the other, and then the third album was R&B. I say,

rain on me, tsunami, in the words of two other giants. Well, I think what we're getting is, that's the act one, act two, act three.

I think it'll be three acts, just like the best movies. Just like all the best movies. Actually, Rule of Culture number six. Three acts. Just acts. Just like all the best movies.

The best movies. And, I think we're just gonna get it like perfectly distributed it maybe throughout a year are we thinking summer solstice winter solstice really hard to say solstice with crest white and shout out to crest white strips shout out i mean have you gotten any sort of like deal from them or shipment or something you know what's funny i wasn't even thinking about that until you just said that but wow the way quest white strips crest white strips have really done great things for me it's just such a funny specific like you're

you're you're not only you're not just name dropping a brand you're like you're getting into the vertical you're getting into the actual product itself're getting into the actual product itself, the item. Well, first of all, let's just say it. It works. Okay. It's like when Jennifer Hudson said Weight Watchers, because it works. I could say the same for Crest White Strips. Yeah. Genuinely.

And that's why when we were on set shooting Fire Island, and I will say, improvised line, can anyone trade Crest White Strip for a PrEP pill? And the reason I said that is because we in the gay community know how valuable a prep pill is and that you also don't need to take one every day well remember because you remember i was just talking about this earlier do you remember when i when i did that line and margaret turned to me and she was like i love that i think that i think that should be the one i was like oh and then we were talking and i was like well you know sometimes i skip a day

and her eyes went wide and she just goes honey don't skip margaret title of that honey don't skip you can you can i've talked to you can you can doctors and pharmacists to say if you take it if you're off a couple days a week it's totally fine just don't make a habit of don't make a habit of it don't make a habit of skipping try to be as diligent as possible honey don't skip i can't even honey don't skip it was just so margaret and her like like ferocious margaret. But for her to like be giddy at a joke that you've written on the spot. The miracle of my life. I mean, look,

whatever. I'm just saying, we've talked so much about the film. I know. We got to move on. And I guess we should say this is our first culture catch up in a really long time. In months. And I'm really happy that Beyonce has come in and said, I'm the culture now.

Because sort of, without saying too much, like, we've sort of been out there with this movie sort of being like, hey, like, check out our culture. And I haven't been watching any culture. I haven't been seeing a damn thing. I've been, we've been so busy, Bo. I guess if Housewives counts as culture a lot of the readers won't think so it hasn't really been giving like i needed to give i get what you're saying well remember we got a lot of hype that the beverly hills premiere was going to be one of the best premieres ever and it was good i just don't think it was like exciting because it was mostly just

sad and troubling to watch someone's house get broken into you know yeah i mean i think did it give like peak housewives like there's shit going on in the life of a housewife like we are with her like but after that i mean what we're dealing with is i hate when beverly hills is like this where the conflict is what is the conflict exactly like this thing of crystal being like sutton said something dark and then not saying what it was it's like okay well then now we are all watching this as entertainment and the entertainment we're supposed to be consuming is circling the fact that there is no content because you won't say what it is that there's no context and then it's just i don't know what's going it's really hard to keep track of because it's like,

Sutton said something dark and then it turns into, well, Kristen lost 14 friends because of something she did. It's like, okay, well, neither side or no party is being specific. I will say it is iconic and so funny to me that they keep saying the words 14 friends. 14 friends. Because this is a thing in girl culture. And let's talk about this.

Numbers and people. Clicky girl culture is knowing exactly how many people are in your friend group. Oh, that's so dark. Say that. We have 14 girlfriends. Not 15, not 13, 14. And I just had a falling, we have 14 girlfriends. Not 15, not 13, 14. 14.

And I just had a falling out with my 14 girlfriends. No! It's clicky, mean girl culture of all ages. Girls of all ages. Women of all ages. Dames. And it's a red flag. It's a red flag because, you know what?

I like Crystal Kung Minkoff, but I do get the sense that she is high school-ish. Oh, 100%. Yeah. 100%. I mean, I know that girl from, like, my Sunday Chinese school, you know? Mm-hmm. And anyway, okay, I think that's Housewives.

Do you have anything else to talk about with Housewives? That's all we can, I mean, literally, Beau, on this, the week of Beyonce releasing Break My Soul on the Solstice, that's actually all we can say about the Housewives. That's all we can say about the Housewives. What do you think of the fact that Beyonce in her storied career

has chosen now to call an album Renaissance? It's iconic behavior. A Renaissance is a rebirth. A Renaissance is what is the definition of Renaissance? It's rebirth. This is something we should really talk about on. I'm telling you, reaver that was that was sort of iconic us naissance birth oh that's interesting to know hmm did you confirm that for yourself on google just now well here i am sort of looking

at it on google what does it say well Well, it says the Renaissance is a period in European history marking the transition from the Middle Ages to modernity and covering the 15th and 16th centuries. And in terms of the actual word itself, I guess I'd have to look on the disambiguation for that one. Sure. Sometimes the disambiguation

has the meat. And that's a real culture. That's a real culture number. What number is that? 25. Girls, sometimes the disambiguation

has the meat. And I found that to be true many times. Here's the thing. I'm not even going to look this up because I'm not going to talk to you

a native French speaker. Not native, but thank you. Well, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Quebec, Montreal, Quebec but thank you. Well, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. I know what you're saying. Quebec, Montreal,

Quebec is not native. So, same root word as naissance. Yes. I was not born in a French-speaking place. And so, my native tongue, I would say, is Mandarin Chinese because it was the first language I spoke. There you go. Even though it is the language I am the least proficient in now. Isn't that so tragic?

Ooh. I see you just carrying on with your parents, speaking. I'm having more trouble carrying on with my parents. Um, it's just, wow. That's,

that's, it's giving immigrant experience in a nutshell. Um, you know, losing your mother tongue. Anyway, speaking of mother tongue, a de-renaissance,

more like, okay. So I think the influences are far-reaching crystal waters oh of course crystal waters robin s but i'm saying um i didn't mean the influences i think um well no the influences are like from the british folk spread yes it it does seem like there will be a lot of difference she will evoke all kinds of music and that's exciting to me i mean extremely and she always really has but then i think you know i think that she had something so specific she needed to get off her chest with lemonade that it felt like we were really living in an emotion in a specific musical world throughout that entire and she also you know she's always

sort of dipped into other genres i mean daddy lessons obviously that's a flat-out country song uh don't hurt yourself it's like a rock song she's got it all in her and it's kind of odd that because you think like oh what's she gonna do we've seen her do everything and then it's like circling in on this house idea and not only does it feel exactly right for her, but it also feels like something that she can be at the forefront of in terms of bringing it back. And yet, you know, we've all been feeling like it's a moment for house music again. And now she's saying it is, period.

It is, period. I think like the greater world has not keyed into house music being back yet. And she is the person to bring it back for everybody. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, Beyonce is monoculture. Beyonce is one of the last pieces of the monoculture. Like, moms are going to hear about this song.

And they would not. And they would not. I think that Big Freedia, I mean, what a moment. She's truly reached the highest heights. She did back in Lemonade, of course, but she's very involved in the whole thing. I mean, Release Your Wiggles is in the biggest song of the year.

It's crazy. We never thought Release Your Wiggles was going to be out. I was going to hear that outside of Brooklyn brooklyn bowl when i saw oh remember that that was yep did you go to that concert i was there with you oh my god that was that was so unbelievable fun anyway i mean just also like like when she says release your trade beyonce said queen's in the front dom's in the back that's what she said. I still have to give a close read to the lyrics. That's how behind I am. What drugs

do you think Beyonce has done? Ketamine. Okay, I said that I thought she did ketamine, and our group chat tore me apart. They said, there's no way Beyonce's doing horse pills. I was like, I think there's a deep reality. A Texan girl not doing horse pills she showed up she

showed up on the horse in the promo materials that was a not to ketamine if i was a not to ketamine she i bet you beyonce tried a little paste of ivermectin back in the fall baby she was like i feel connected to horses let me let me see what this is like she said let me see what this is like she wrote it on that horse into the disco and she said, me and this horse you know what we both desire. K. That little white bag with a K on it. I think Beyonce's done K. I think Beyonce's done

coke. I think she and Jay did coke and didn't like it. They've definitely done shrooms. They've definitely done I think they may have not done LSD, but they've definitely done something natural. I think they've done LSD. Yes, I think they may have not done lsd but they definitely did something natural i think they've done lsd yes i think they did lsd and beyonce around hour three or hour four of the trip sat up straight and said i'm doing a visual album this is like 2012 2011 i think it was

yeah way way back i think they obviously smoked reefer they love-hmm. They love their booze. She loves... Wait, was it Beyonce who loves whales? What's whales? Oh, oh, oh. You mean... When Destiny's Child got stoned. That famous interview where they were stoned. But, you know, they say they weren't high.

That's a full lie. They were absolutely... They were on another planet. I know what my favorite animal would be a whale it's so pure it's so beautiful and then michelle i want to be the cheetah and then other girls were like oh yeah you are a cheetah and she's like because i'm proud and i was like these girls are absolutely you have to do it and this and this is not going to be like digital blackface. Matt has to do all three girls in a video.

No, we'll take this out. No, don't take it out. I'm not going to do it. But if any white gay boy could, it's Matt Rogers. Well, coming from you. King of the queer POC. We said it. We can't.

We can't. I took an edible earlier. You did? It's a headache. Oh, that's so great. You're on vacation. I'm on vacation. I have not been responding to the GCs, unfortunately.

You have not. And also, it's been such a moment of culture. I mean, so have you been at least experiencing this song out there? Clearly not. A couple times. This is what I'm saying. I don't think I've listened more than four times, which feels insane to me. I can't believe I'm starting off the new era this way.

You know me. I've been on the front lines every single other era. That's not true. What do you mean? Can I tell you one era you were not on the front lines for? Oh, you're talking about with Beyonce? Yes. Oh, yeah.

Okay. What do you think I was talking about? In general. Because I was the person on this podcast that showed you driver's license. Oh, yeah. No. It's impossible to be on the front lines of all the dolls and all the eras. It's impossible.

It's actually rule of culture number 13. It's impossible to be on the front lines of all the dolls of all the eras. All the eras. It's impossible. It's actually rule of culture number 13. It's impossible to be on the front lines of all the dolls of all the eras. Of all the eras. No, we're simply humans. I feel like

I've always been there for the lead single. Mm-hmm. And this time, I don't know. I've been so, whatever. I like,

we traveled yesterday and we were just sitting around having deep conversations. Like, we have not had time. We have not. We really haven't. You mean y'all. I like we traveled yesterday and we were just sitting around having deep conversations like we have not had time we have not we really have you mean y'all I well God the travel nightmare of yesterday okay I traveled on Monday Monday June 20th and it was a nightmare travel day at Delta but I eventually did get back here to Los Angeles I'm here for a couple days and I was sort of nervous because I was like. I'm here for a couple days, and I was

sort of nervous because I was like, if I'm in the air when this song comes out. Oh, no, no, no. Because you know the Wi-Fi wasn't working, boo. Oh, of course not. And why was I'm just checking my phone because I thought, oh my god, be real. If I, if be real happens in the sky, I'm going to lose it.

That really would not have been good. That really would not have been good that really would not have been good no if you if you were be real last night if i was real that's not on the plane in the in the current in the state that i was in then again i don't think what people wanted to see me be real at that moment okay that's not my finest at the back of the plane hold it right there that is not the point of be real it's counterproductive i know i know i know i want see this is the thing i i know like people will not want to be real when they are in a distressed state but you have i do but once in your life once in once this year i want to see

a be real that you took during be real when you didn't want to necessarily take the photo take the be real is everything okay we just got a nice text from julio what did it say it's about the show and wait can we say but first let me take out these press white strips okay okay yeah yeah well no you had i think you had like five minutes but i but i put them on like five minutes before okay they're out listen to all the readers and publicists that came to our last coach racist culture award show But I put them on like five minutes before. Okay. They're out. Listen. To all the readers and publicists that came to our last Coach Racist Culture Awards show. Thank you for contributing to one of the best nights of our life.

Yeah. That was so much fun. It was. I can't believe how much fun I had. I didn't really think. I don't think I knew what to expect. I didn't either. I just knew it was going to be, I was like, this is going to be stupid. This is going to be fun, period.

And it doesn't have to be anything more than that. But it was just this reciprocal joy that I think really hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm still not over it. I cried in therapy the next day about everybody who listens and everybody who came to the show and about Matt. I cried about the friendship.

I cried on stage. I know. You know me. It takes me a little bit. I need a second. Withholding. It's not withholding. I don't find it to be a flaw. You're a slow processor. I just think it hits me on its own time. And it was so funny.

It's so funny that difference between us. Because yes, you are very like sort of like stoic. And you were really receiving. And then to hear that you had the emotional realization later. Meanwhile, throughout press of Fire Island. Like one or two days into press i'm crying in all the interviews i broke down like several times in interviews and they were like oh okay then i was just like i'm sorry just emotional cried at the end of the show i am

so i've been really emotional for like weeks and like i just feel like so grateful to everybody and like how much love like we felt because really that's what it was it was like a love fest and we got to do all this dumb shit and every single dumb thing we put into that show was met with so much love and and everyone just got it and we feel like how lucky are we that we get to share a language with all of you that like listen to the show and have been loving the show for such a long time. And it's so your time is the most valuable thing. So I feel like this is why it's so special when people listen to any podcast is because it is inviting whoever makes that podcast into your life for like an extended amount of time. And it just I don't know.

It was really really really nice it was this again reciprocal thing like it was given to us we try to give it to you in all these stupid ways yeah um yeah so a lot of people are asking like are we going to stream it are we going to do something with it we did film it we don't know what we're doing with it yet um it really was not prepared to be a live episode of the podcast it was sort of a thing that we were doing with lincoln center i hope you guys understand that um but we want to do something with it and we did shoot it and shout the fuck out to our unbelievable producer her name is Lauren Mendel. Remember the name. She's going to run this whole world in about two seconds.

Who took Bowen and I's, like, impulses and ideas about this and just, like, our texts about things that could possibly happen and, like, us filling in the Google doc that she made, like, and just made it all happen and run so seamlessly.

Can you imagine? We were saying, can you imagine if we tried to do that ourselves it would have been a wreck it would have been a wreck no they literally were like okay you guys can like just let us like they were like you guys sent us the run of show and like let us know what you're thinking and i immediately was like matt we have to hire someone yeah no to hire so we cannot do this and i know just the person yep um and god lauren is just amazing a worker of miracles i will i've never been unimpressed by her i've known her for a while now she is one of just one of the most capable smartest most effective people and really i was i like had to run into this production meeting when she was running it before the show started and the way she talks to everybody is like so respectful and i'm like god how yeah it can be done this way someone who like just understands everyone's

needs and what the whole project itself needs yeah i i can't believe it and also talk about like you know you as someone who's like doing the show and like the face of the show like all you want is for that to feel like that's the vibe and the energy going into the show and like it really sucks when like you hear about like other things production shows out there where there's bad energy because it does doesn't need to be like that it does you know and and it's so it was so rewarding to be part of something that was so fun and received well but also felt good and positive in the lead up we weren't stressed out like no and god knows like we had been busy before that so we really like we needed help and so that's true collaboration and that rocked the real housewives of salt lake city are back

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What was your favorite part? I think my favorite part was sticking driver's license with Josh and Aaron. Yeah. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget the way Cole Escol had made me laugh. Oh my God, Cole. Both during their acceptance speech and I can't wait to, the way Cola Skoll made me laugh. Oh my God, Cola. During, not during that,

well, both during their acceptance speech and I can't wait to, I don't think anyone on Instagram took this video, but when they presented for

the Tina Turner Legend Award, we mostly gave everybody really quick presenter copy that we wrote and then everybody sort of embellished onto it and made it their own in the best way.

It was amazing. Truly, no flops, everyone killed for a bit. No, everyone crushed. And truly, no flops, everyone killed for a bit. No, everyone crushed. And, but Cola Scola really, all we gave Cola Scola, because it was the last, it was the

last category we got to in terms of writing the copy, all we wrote was, Matt, I wrote, this is a place for legends, okay? Oh no, you wrote that, Matt. This is a place for legends, okay? And here are the nominees for the Tina Turner Legend Award. We just gave that to Cola. We were like, we don't know what to do with this. Make it whatever you want.

And then they wrote the funniest, most un- And they're the funniest person in America. Performance of an award show presentation ever. It was like, Cole was giving like Alice Ripley the entire night. A hundred percent. Like giving feverish awards attendee. Like just, it's the award.

It's awards night. It's such a fun character though. And like, we don't really, I think we as like comedians who are stupid and love award show culture, like we don't get to perform that that often. No. And Cole,

and we, and Cole took that assignment and ran with it yeah and did the best version of it also patty harrison was miss culturista and the bit was with her was that the war was really heavy and every single time she came out it just looked heavier and she was really she looked in so much pain and it was also star! What a star, Patty Harrison. Honestly, and then we have to mention that Taylor Swift sent

in videos to our show. Sent in an original comedy bit. She was like, okay, I guess I'll pull a glass of wine out of a baking tray. And we just said, just record an acceptance speech. Yeah.

And then she sent it back. And then you were with, I texted her. We got the videos. We were screaming. And then I was like, Taylor, you nailed it. And then she goes, really? She was like, I wasn't sure about the tone. So this is good to hear.

And I was like, see? Oh my God, no. She started, she's, she's, she's an artist. She, she's asking about tone. She knows. A hundred percent. gotta know she started she's she's she's an artist she she's asking about tone and knows 100 and not only did our live audience love it but it went viral on twitter amongst the swifties and let's have this conversation okay do we believe that there is an easter egg for 1989 taylor's version that was in the acceptance speeches at the Las Culturistas Culture Awards. And take that sentence in for a second.

It's so fucking funny. So I was with you. We watched the videos for the first time on my computer, right? And you walked away. I was in shock. We needed to just... We were in shock. Yeah. But I watched it again, that first one for the

Taylor Swift award where she passes by the alleged big Easter egg of a little chalkboard that says 1989 Secret Sessions Nashville.

Yes. I paused the video. You thought you knew to pause. Wow. You were really looking for it. You don't remember this? I blacked out

on it. You were off to the side and I was like wait this? I blacked out, Bowen. It was such joy. You were off to the side, and I was like, wait a minute. I saw it before anyone else. I said, wait a minute. I stopped it. What's that?

And it was truly out of a movie. I was like, enhanced picture. And then I saw it. I'm in. It said what it said. And I was like, what does this mean? And I was like, did she just leave that up there the whole time since 2014?

I don't think anything is an accident. No. I was like, the chalk looks too clean. It looks like it was freshly written. I was like, this is something. And the house was not necessarily giving Nashville. The house was giving Los Angeles, Hamptons. The lighting was not Southern.

You know, there's Southern lighting. Lighting was not Southern. It was not giving rustic. I don't think we would have received a video like this during the red era. Let's just say that. Okay, so there's a few things that people are zoning in on. Yeah.

The color of her vest. Giving seagull, giving out of the woods, giving... Giving that wildest dreams TikTok. This is when you were supposed to do your white strips, by the way. Okay. No, no, no. You already checked them out. Thank you.

Also, the length of her hair. It's giving the bob. Had she... Yes. Had she taken her hair out It's giving the bob. Had she, and yes, had she taken her hair out, it would have been a bob because she was giving bangs, right? Mm-hmm. I don't think there were as many Easter eggs in the second video, though, which is what

is interesting to me. That she kept that one pretty sparse. Well, then some people online are actually going too far, which is that, well, you notice that she accepted the awards for baking cookies and the wildest dreams,

enchanted mashup from the 1989 tour. And I have to say, we reveal something. We chose that. We chose those. So, so that is, those were the winners that we picked.

And we should say we picked all the winners for the culture award so that was not her being like yes i'll accept the award for this and this we chose those because those were we felt the winners of the best taylor swift and best taylor swift awards respectively so that was not her that was not an easter egg confirmed confirmed confirmed although i do think releasing albums in november is very taylor although we it should have been releasing albums in october or november should it have been because all the way from debut all the way up to uh i want to say 1989 it was all october releases reputation was the first november. Then the one after that was

Red. I thought November was like her thing. It's October. It's end of October. Well, actually the nominee was releasing albums in the fall. Oh, did we change it? There was some error in translation where it became

releasing albums in November. Wait, I'm scared. I don't know how it happened. We don't mistranslate ourselves. and translation where it became releasing albums in November. Wait, I'm scared. What? I don't know how it happened. We don't mistranslate ourselves. We do not. I don't know what happened. Maybe it was our flop producer, Lauren Mandel.

I just think that it was obvious to me that it was going to be 1989 next, and she's been releasing Wildest Dreams and this love i feel it's pretty obvious and i think that but i guess here's my question to you do you think that any part of what she did in that video was intentional and of course it was intentional she put them together but in terms of releasing an easter egg do you think we have an easter egg in our videos i think the easter egg the only one that is likely an easter egg is the chalkboard okay not the color of the best not the hair length no it's just the chalkboard just because it looks recently written and not like it was eight years old because the album wildly came out eight years ago

whoa whoa whoa whoa well let me sit with that for a second hold on that's an eight-year-old album yeah yeah i guess it is holy shit i know uh i i think that is the only intentional thing um but i just think it's really funny that well first of all our mentions are fucking chaos right now because pop anytime pop crave tags us i laugh the the replies are fucking unhinged and this actually is terrifying and the swifties are always always always going strong but some of these other stand-ins are cuckoo bananas i mean uh to be involved in swifty culture in this way it's aspirational it's aspirational it's thrilling and it's also opened my eyes up to the underbelly i mean definitely the world definitely the world but i have to say like the the decisiveness which with they were tweet with which they were tweeting

cookies she baked cookies at this time at the listening party wildest dreams 1989 is coming i yeah i mean like it's it's it's really really interesting to me so and do you think that beyonce saw that taylor announced stuff at the culture awards and so she said we have to move up my absolutely yeah she got jealous of the culture we readers and andists have to understand we were sitting on the deck in Provincetown like putting the show together and we were like did we get the video from Lisa Kudrow? We did and what are we at with Taylor?

Taylor, yeah she's coming and did we receive Candice Dillard Bassett's video yet? Did we? It's coming, we're within hours great, and so in terms of show order we were putting together this real ass award show. And it was so funny. It was an experience I will never forget.

And we performed cool for the summer, which was a thrill. Which I butchered. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't you. It was me. I came in too early.

It wasn't that. At one point, I could not find the key. I shifted. And that's my fault because I kept wanting to change it. Oh, let's shout out our wonderful musical director, David Dabin. And the whole band. Legend. Amazing. Arrangement Legend

was working on almost all of the Jimmy Awards until very recently. And has arranged so many wonderful shows. Beetlejuice, Funny Girl. So many wonderful shows. He was so fantastic to work with and nailed it and made it feel like a show. Like a truly great energy. You know what I mean?

And that's the thing too is it's like when you're making changes like to something like that like for me it's like if i was ever told like oh we need to change the key i feel like i'd have a fucking go into like a but like he he was just like yep and that's that's when you realize like people that are true musical geniuses like they to me are like the first of all hottest people i get so turned on when someone is like a crazy good musician your brain works like that yeah it's just there's something about that that i cannot like it's like hot engineer doug you know what i mean it's just like it's magic like part of the horniness around him it is it is would you say that music is like casting a

spell playing music is like casting a spell and when you tell a musical director you need to change the key they go okay and then immediately magic flows out of them like they can cast a spell on command honey you might as well say aloha mora because i'm on aloha mora girl you might as well say aloha mora because i'm illuminated girl you might as well say expelliarmus because i'm disarmed mama you might as well say avada kedavra because my ass is fucking dead for you honey you might as well say crucio bitch because i am on my knees on my knees you might as well say imperio bitch because i am traumatized i will do whatever you tell me to do. Okay? Okay.

You might as well say, Sectumsempra, because my snake is out. Mama, you might as well say... Do you have another one? This is shocking. Expecto Patronum, because... Yes, yes, yes.

I just released a white cloud into the sky. I came buckets. Mama, my essence is all over the place. The way Harry Potter is good, it sucks. No, it's actually not good. You're lying. Not only did she ruin her legacy, like in her personal way, but she like ruined the canon of the story with all her fucking flop movies. I have to say on this.

I'm saying her movies. I'm saying like the Fantastic Beasts. Some of the worst films of all time ever made. But on this, the week Beyonce has released Break My Soul on the solstice and Taylor Swift has appeared on the Lost Culture, He Sells Culture Awards and potentially released Easter eggs we cannot talk about JK Rowling I mean we must

we must not. We must not okay well I feel like between Beyonce and Taylor what do you have to say about any general Gaga news wait what go. The fact that Beyonce and Taylor are sort of you have to say about any general Gaga news? Wait, what? Go. The fact that Beyonce and Taylor are sort of in the culture right now,

it's giving Obama era. It's giving 2010 we don't even know that there can be cares in the world boots. Girl, I miss optimism. Don't you miss optimism? And isn't it so sad how we can never

feel that way ever again about anything well like we as a we as a society and a culture and as a generation and all the generations below us like no one can feel optimistic about things ever again ever i'm so stoned and i'm so sorry. Are you really stoned? Okay. So I, I cannot be stoned cause I have to do an audition after this, but I would be with you, my sister. And I feel sad that I'm not stoned. Are they,

are the dolls that you're with sort of downstairs stoned? They're downstairs. They're not stoned. They're sort of swimming, drinking probiotic sodas. Really? Oh my God. It's, it's healthy,as. Really? Oh my god, it's giving healthy Hamptons trip. No, it's giving choose your own adventure.

And everyone's being very respectful. Which I love. Oh my god, okay. So, the next time you hear Bowen and I together is going to be when we do our follow-up to An Honest Conversation. It's going to be called An Honest Conversation Part 2. And it will be live from

fire island where bowen and i are going i think we've said it so many times we're going to be there the first week of july yeah and we will do our next culture catch-up from there and i'm looking forward to going back to the pines i want my brain to break in half i'm looking forward to a h-e-a-u-x summer ho summer what does being a ho mean to you I think everyone knows what it means oh it is okay I thought you were just like I want my

brain to be cracked like an egg like all that for sure but you also want to be dicked down I'm looking forward to meeting big bro part two oh my god I'm so excited for you be excited for yourself bitch what do you mean someone's gonna break your soul aka hole i don't know it really hasn't happened it's so crazy how long it's been what are you talking

about you do this i've had since i've had anal sex. No, literally. What's the problem? This is what we're talking about. What's the problem? It just never leads up to that. Either like, it's just not in the cards, as they say. Do you feel that you... I'm ready. You're ready. I'm ready.

It's just that I'm like, oh, I'm tired. I don't want to do it. Maybe that's it. It's just that I've been busy'm tired. I don't want to do it. Maybe that's it. It's just that I've been busy and tired. But there's nothing fun about that. Well, we need to get you on some horse trips then. Oh my God, I can't wait. We're jumping in to say

that we're open to all sorts of experiences in the Fire Island Pines. Us sort of the mascots of the island. It's giving Donald Duck and Mickey. And you know you're Mickey. No, Joel Kim is Mickey. You are Donald Goofy. I'm Donald and you're Goofy.

Oh, it sucks to be Goofy. But I guess some people do like Goofy. It doesn't suck to be Goofy. Oh no, in Kingdom Hearts, Goofy is so important. Goofy's your tank. Donald's your magic. Really? Donald's your spellcaster, which feels like me.

You know, it feels like very like... Alohomora! Oh, no, actually, no. Then that's you because you're the more musical one. Is that true? Maybe I'm the tank. I'm stoic. I'm the tank.

I'm Goofy. I don't think you give Goofy. Not like me. I'm sort of l I'm the tank. I'm goofy. I don't think you give goofy. Not like me. I'm sort of lanky and goofy ask. Why are we talking about? Why are we talking? Because I said we were going to be the mascots of Fire Island Pines. Oh, you can choose a different mascot.

I guess so. Okay. Mario Luigi. There you go. I'm giving Mario. You're giving Luigi. Well, what does that make Joel Kim? Certainly not Princess Peach. War you go. I'm giving Mario, you're giving Luigi. Well, what does that make Joel Kim? Certainly not Princess Peach.

Wario, bitch. Bye, bitch. Side flop. Sorry, flop. You gotta be listening. Well, it's a big week for Joel Kim. His stand-up special's coming out. Oh my god. Psychosexual on Netflix.com. And you can watch Loot on Apple TV+, starring

Maya Rudolph. I've seen the first few episodes. Very funny show. Very good show. Maya is delivering. Oh, my God. That's all you want. She's delivering down. I mean, that's really all you want.

That's what you're going to get. When you say the name Maya Rudolph, you go, oh, is she the Postmate? Because all I want for her is to deliver. And she does on time, which we also love about Postmates, when they're on time. God, you know what? I've not had good experiences with Postmates, actually, and I will say that publicly. And I will not drag, but I will say,

tsk, tsk, I'm wagging my finger. And the customer service has not been great, and the Pride campaign was a big no-no. And I found out that... What? I don't want to say it. Olivia told me that I got the offer for their Bottom Friendfriendly foods campaign,

and she was like, no, he will not be doing that. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's some industry insiderism for you. Yeah. But... I don't know about...

I don't know about, like, bottom foods. You know what I mean? I just... I just think... Of course I get it. This is what I'm saying to all bottoms yeah eat whatever the fuck you want okay yeah and don't like eat eat stuff because it'll keep your rectum clean eat eat the burrito before you go get fucked it's fine let me tell you anal sex the dirt and this is what i'm

gonna say on lost culture so this is how you know the podcast has not changed the dirtiest bottoms i've ever been with have also been the quote-unquote hottest people okay so they don't care so why should you care i'm talking to all my bottoms out there these these men they don't care i've've seen, I've looked at life from both sides now. And the people that you think, oh, that person has sex a lot, they don't care about cleaning their butthole. They don't care about eating, right? It's poop down.

It's poop down, okay? And they don't even give a fuck. There you go. How many times have you shit on dick in your life let's go there um maybe just twice i think for me twice yeah it's too many but that's actually no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna really attach shame onto this for myself or anybody let's start the revolution i okay no i i'm saying we need to be open about it like I've shit on one dick and then it was a guy that I just hooked up

with once and then I just saw it afterwards and I was like oh that's a shame but he didn't say anything and was very cool about it and then I shit on one dick with a boyfriend and he was like oops look what you did and I was like oh shoot and then it was fine so now you reveal your stories

but can one of the Swifties take, look what you made me do, and put it onto, oops, look what you did. Oops, look what you did. That's my response song to Taylor's, look what you made me do. Oops, look what you did. Oops, look what you did.

Look what you made me do. And the response is, oops, look what you did. Love that. Oops, look what you did uh-huh oh look what you did oh look what you did okay can i actually reveal something yeah you didn't say your times you shit on dicks and i said the two times i did and you did it okay one was one of the it was like the second time i ever had no it's the first the first. The first time you ever had sex or shit?

Oh, wait, I remember when this happened. And then, you were honest and transparent about it at the time. This was high school. Yes, yes,

yes, I was. Oh, and then the second time. This was high school. Second time was, no, was like,

college. No, it wasn't college. I was like 22 or something, right out of college. Okay, so it's been a long time for you you've sort of like figured out the fiber of it all but i need to okay i need to actually admit to something which

is that ever since last week's jeremy byler episode when we open up the episode talking about infatuation yeah i'm like what happened for me i'm like i that's all i want this summer is to feel infatuated and i don't know i don't know if that happens too often in life i feel like this is this is where it gets weird like i feel like in my heart i am like a howie that really wants that and identifies and here's you sister but then you have you have an experience that that feels a little heartbreaking and you become a noah straight up like and right now i'm right now i'm on my it's giving noah tease i'm like no i don't want to feel anything the sequel has to be the ex. The person who broke Noah's heart shows up.

Well, so we were fully in Provincetown. And by the way, we had the best time. And if you saw us there, thanks for coming up and saying hello. Thanks for saying hi. We didn't even talk about this. We had the best time. We met John Waters. We need a whole episode for that.

I was so... He needs to come on the podcast. I mean, that would be an epic moment in time. I think a whole episode for that. I was so. He needs to come on the podcast. I mean, that would be an epic moment in time. I think he would do it too. He's like very down. He's so. Chatty too.

Lovely, chatty, wants to talk. He's doing like approachable legend better than anybody. Like I always, yeah. For all the times I complain about like saying the same thing over and over again or being asked the same questions i'm like oh he's been asked the same questions for 50 years since gringo came out so graceful about it anyway um he was so lovely we got to

meet so many wonderful people in p-town including jenny slate jenny slate so fun and she's coming on the pod soon yes and everyone's got to check check out Marcel the Shell with shoes on when it comes, when you, when you can. And also, I was gagged because we were at this dinner and the character actress Dale Dickey was there who I'm obsessed with. She's from like Winter's Bone. She did an iconic episode of Breaking Bad and she was floating around and I got to say to Dale Dickey, oh my God, you're a star. and i got to say to dale dickie oh my god you're a star and she got to say to me bowen yang

stop because i was of course sitting next to the icon bowen yang and we should also say that was iconic and also the second iconic thing was at the culture awards when candace dillard bassett herself sent in her acceptance speech for record of the year and said i of course i just want to say thanks to bowen and checks eye line change eye line change looks fully down to check her notes matt um thank you guys so much for your unique brand of humor and we screamed so that and the whole audience was screaming at candace dillard bassett needing to check her nose to know who the fuck i was thank god i love being kelly roland i do can i just say though what the amount of times and i hate that this is like oh my this is how i know but like so many interactions in the

last couple weeks with people where matt and I have done stuff together or gone places together of people just going up to him. I am invisible fully. That's not true. No, and it's wonderful. And then they tell Matt what an amazing job he's doing on I Love That For You, which, by the way, just celebrated its season finale. I loved it so much. It really was a good finale. I'm very proud of the season

the last moment is so fucking good and funny and I was so refreshing and I like haven't seen that in so long on a comedy television show people should mention well I'll say this I just went across the street to the Clark Street Diner where by the way I ran into Steph

Shue herself I screamed but when she looked so gorg she's in this like yellow jumps into Steph Shue herself. I screamed. But when she looked so gorg, she's in this like yellow jumpsuit. Steph Shue has always loved to jump. She taps me on the shoulder and she goes, hey, I heard that you didn't think I respond to your text. And I literally screamed. I was like,

I screamed and we had the longest hug and we had such a nice conversation. Oh my God, she's got to come on the pod ASAP. She's gotta. She's gotta. But I fucking love her. And I was there and I swear to God, I hadn't been in that diner. And that's like my diner.

I go all the time. I hadn't been there probably in about six weeks or something. Cause like we've been out doing the thing. I felt like fucking Zendaya herself. The whole staff was like, are you on that show? I was like, yeah,

I am. It was getting Zendaya. Zendaya in Boston. I was like, are you on that show? I was like, yeah, I am. Zendaya, guys. It was giving Zendaya. Zendaya in Boston. I was like, am I Zendaya in Boston right now? Because everyone knows my name. Like, it was giving people have been finding the show, and that's really exciting, because I do think it's really good.

Like, when you watch it as an eight-episode piece, it's very bingeable, so if you don't have Showtime yet, get it. Do the trial. Watch all of it, and then, you know, you should keep it, because there's if you don't have Showtime yet, get it, do the trial, watch all of it. And then, you know, you should keep it because there's lots of good stuff on Showtime,

but just saying it's now bingeable. So you can get it if you haven't seen it already and you can watch all of it. And it really is good. It's so wonderful. These performances, including Matt's are so fantastic. Well, and let me just say the Emmy voting is happening right now.

And I just want to say Jennifer Lewis for your consideration, because that is a career of decades and she is giving everything. And if you are an Emmy voter or no one Emmy voter, you should be talking about Jennifer Lewis for the nomination and everyone on the show like Vanessa and Molly they're so amazing but I just feel like it's Jennifer's time to get like a major like you know a nomination like this like and like I sometimes think and I'm hesitant to say this but I sometimes think like I just feel like Jennifer's name is getting lost. And it cannot be because she is giving such an incredible performance. And obviously, like, you know, so if I have two wishes for nomination morning, it's Jennifer Lewis, supporting actress, and of course, Bowen Yang, supporting actor. And for me to compete with my co-host in the same category. It will never, ever happen.

Literally, there's like a.0002% chance of it happening. I'm just happy to be on a show where I think jennifer really deserves it and i'm i'm her scene partner and much of it so but anyway i just had to say that because i don't see people talking about it and i'm like so proud of jennifer in the show so i just wanted to say that everyone start the chatter online please right now tweet something tweet something hashtag fyc emmys there we go and that's that's how you really be a publicist okay oh my god and also like fucking molly is unbelievable molly i was i was watching the last two episodes with my parents again molly what molly does like in those last two episodes like oh my god and the big reveal of

the control and the big reveal was truly something I have not been able to stop thinking about. And I won't spoil anything, but in the, in the control room. Yes. In the last episode, she's so good.

And Vanessa is just like Vanessa. That show comes from her. Like it is so her essence. It is as sweet as she is, as funny. She is as kind as she is as singular as she is. Like, I can't say enough.

So love my colleagues. That's all I'll say. Love my colleagues so much. And it's just a wonderful show. Congrats on finishing that season. And Bonier is soaring to his second nom. And we are all proud of our girl. I just wanted to say that it was really, really nice

to see Matt just being recognized for something that he does so well anyway and of course the joy of my life over the past weeks and weeks has been you know just everyone like deserving is not the word like you did such an amazing job in that film and like i'm so happy that everyone can see it now see how what a well-rounded actor you are you are my favorite performer girl you need to stop no I won't because you are it's like so cool like to see like everyone realize like what a force you are and then I'll be like Bo and Yang will run hashtag Hollywood and it's true you I'm so proud of you. You're flopping. I'm not flopping. I am not stopping.

Not stopping. Haha. Anyway. Publicits, you are now officially fully full-time readers again. Yes, again. Until next time. Until next time. I think.

There might be. I don't want to give away too much. Okay, so yes. Again, really, really disappointed that we cannot bring what happened at the culture awards out to a wider audience we just don't know yet it's unclear we just don't know yet there's and which you know hopefully that keys you into like what we want to do with it you know like we we um we can't legally feature we can't legally put it out for whatever reason for multiple reasons actually but that is the one thing that like really is the disappointing part in all this it's the only thing that like

i'm a little like sad about um but it only means that we will do this again yes in some other form in the future that's the silver lining is that we discovered in doing this that it is going to we want it to be a part of like the lost coach and i believe that winning winning the coach is gonna be in the egot like there's the emmy the grammy the oscar the tony and the coach and our coach is a beautiful seagot yeah oh my god it's a beautiful shape prism yeah it's brutalist it's brutalist um i would quickly want to say oh thank you to the lincoln center for helping us make that show free. Amazing.

That was the reason why. I think that was the reason why the energy was so nice. And thank you God for the weather. Thank you God for the weather. The mild, slightly windy weather. Thank you God. Might have to be a Christian again for that one.

Might have to sign up for Christianity again. Sign up for the newsletter. Sign up for the fucking sub stack. There's some drama in Christianity right now. Pope Francis might resign. That's drama. That's a slay. It's a slay in a dramatic way.

I just think it was so important that it was a free show. I would love to only do free shows from now on if possible. I know. Capitalism. a change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got you's. Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship?

Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts um do we do i don't think so honey i think we should do i don't think so honey um this is our 60 second segment by the way congratulations to our best i don't think so

honey of all time winner aaron jackson for going to church on wednesdays and sundays um we did a live performance of it all together as a 3,000 person crowd. That was one of the great moments of my life. And it scared him and some of you. Some of you described that as cultish behavior, which, yeah, I don't know. Not for us to say. By the way, we will be posting all the winners.

We will post. There are many slides with all the winners and they will get posted. So stay tuned for that. But for now, here is some I Don't Think So Honeys from us, fresh from us fresh fresh okay do you have something i do okay this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey people thinking it's a compliment when they say that they were turned on by my sex scene in fire island um here's the thing the sex

scene that i do in fire island is a um it is a sort of an assault and um my character is very very very fucked up on g and it is was unable to consent so do i think so honey that i understand what you're saying and i guess i i can take it as a compliment you think the scene is um features uh an aesthetic that you appreciate that's great but i think we're missing the point if we're saying that it made you horny or that you wanted to participate in it because my character was being assaulted um or at the very least you shouldn't want to have sex with someone that looks like that and is um experiencing sex in that way so i think that well i do think so honey that i appreciate the sentiment of what you're saying i don't think so honey that we're going about this the right way it makes me feel a little awkward when you say that this is something

that you got turned on by I don't think so honey that this is the vibe and that's one minute yeah I'm gonna agree with that one I've been getting a couple DMs when it's like wow I really wanna I was like I wanna do that to him

and I was like oh my god that's so dark do they understand what was that to him. And I was like, oh my God, that's so dark. Do they understand what was done to him? I think maybe, and then I think maybe no, maybe they didn't get it. Maybe they like don't see, they forget that there's a camera in that space. Right. That was not,

where the person was not consenting to being recorded or I don't know. Yeah, I don't think that was necessarily the vibe we were going for of like hot and to turn you on. But like, I appreciate at least somehow about 6% of what you're saying.

But don't get in my DMs with that. That's not right. Yeah. Yeah. I have something. And I'm sad. I'm sad that this is the third. Oh, no, this is not the third show.

I'm about to. I'm going to do something related to the film as well, unfortunately. It's the last thing that I need to say before we close the books forever. Well, Bowen and I are doing one more big old TV appearance together, and we're not going to talk about it

because we don't want to jinx it, but suffice to say... It's a slay. I don't know, girl. Okay, this is... I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

People saying to us, I wanted to hate the movie, but I was charmed by the end. I don't know what you think that's trying to say. If you're trying to come off cool or contrarian or someone who is not like other girls it

doesn't really matter to me that we won you over i'm glad that you liked it but i just think that little asterisk is so strange and i don't know what to do with that information and to be honest put off by that that you wanted to hate it that means that that's something you should examine i i'm i'm sure i've said those words about a film that i ended up liking hate it that means that that's something you should examine i i'm i'm sure i've said those words about a film that i ended up liking 50 i did not say that to one of the people involved in the making of that film so that's the thing that you must try to understand is that you're talking to someone who had some stake in the project and you're telling them that for whatever weird reason you wanted to dislike it in your predisposition. And that's one minute. I just

feel like people might not realize this, but it's giving self-hate in a way that's, like, really jarring to be on the opposite side of. Yeah, maybe not self-hate. What is it? It's not even self-hate. It's just, um, you don't understand. Like, it's giving, like, inconsiderate. It's giving rude.

It's just, I'm just saying it's rude. I'm just saying it, like, even when it's been, been like someone who's not a gay person a queer person who comes up um i'm just like why did you say that why did you say that when you know when you know that i'm involved right i've only experienced this from other gay men and it's sort of like so i guess that's when i say like hmm like it's like it's, so I guess that's when I say like, hmm. It's like, okay, so something that you know people worked hard on and put a lot of effort into, it's like, you really

wanted to hate it? Based on what? I guess it's maybe, I've heard someone say, oh, well, because we've been burned in the past, or the caliber has been so low over the years that it's it's made me distrustful of like uh a gay movie that's different than wanting to hate it though

want oh sure sure sure having low expectations is different than wanting to hate it sure but even even then even the low expectations thing which i understand better than wanting to hate it the the lowered expectations thing is going well like the shitty quote-unquote gay stuff that came out before like still had a purpose it still like was something i don't know like well it doesn't it didn't have a deleterious effect on like what you could consume as a gay person and hopefully this is just nice and additive to that. But then like, I don't know, some of these people go, we've been burned in the past, but I'm like, okay, I don't know.

It just, it doesn't matter to me. Well, yeah, I guess my thing is just like, it's a comfort level with letting, it's like you said, it's like, just so you know, I'm cool. And I don't care that you're cool. Like I- You're probably not in the same way that I'm not like nobody like stop I just yeah it's like it's like almost like letting you know like

it's like a thing of like I wanted to hate it like and I am someone who can come in and say like my taste level is like superior like and I of course I wouldn't want to stoop to liking something like this it just it doesn't feel good in the moment receiving it and it's just it certainly makes me feel problem yeah i've said i wanted to hate this thing about a million different things probably very recently but i didn't say that to the person involved to the person yeah yeah that's weird it's so fucking brainless to me yeah anyway yeah you know but the fact is, it seems like most of you, and even if you did hate it,

whatever, like you're allowed to hate it. You know what I mean? Like even Joel Kim has said like, yeah, if you hate it, fine, but it's the telling of,

to us, which is like, oh, okay. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Anyways, we got to make this a short one today. Sorry, but it's for good reason. And we hope everyone's having a nice end yeah yeah yeah anyways we gotta make this a short one today sorry but it's for good reason and we hope everyone's having a nice

end to their pride month yeah and we're gonna talk to you soon we have some good episodes coming up if if everything goes as planned

hmm hmm hmm and in the meantime be spinning that song that Beyonce song and we do every end every episode with a song.

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