Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Horny For A Bad Situation" (w/ Bianca Del Rio)

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

Listen, flops. People throw the word "legend" around. Okay? And CHER...is a legend. But today we welcome queen jester NON-flop, the one and only Bianca Del Rio! Moment in time alert! Matt and Bo are honored to welcome one of drag's finest to talk livin la vida Palm Springs, hosting Drag and Drive this year, and Bianca's chosen superpower: being an absolute c*nt. Also, the fall of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the set pics of Nicole Kidman in the Lucille Ball biopic, how it feels to run into Linda Evangelista in a Party City, OG drag performers Charles Pierce and Jim Bailey, the return of BENNIFER, Mare of Easttown and Wawa culture, how fucking good Girls5Eva is, and even more dragging of the nightmare that is Caitlyn Jenner. All that, how Drag Race has changed over the years since Bianca's win in season 6, and memories of the *truly* legendary (no other word) Joan Rivers. Bianca Del Rio on Las Cultch! Ma, Pa, look at us now!!!! *Door slams*. Alright, well, check out The Bianca Del Rio Podcast from Starburns, new eps Thursdays! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. We look good today. I'm sorry, what? You're being generous. I think you're saying that as a way of saying that you look good. No.

Well, first of all, I'm not denying it. I mean, look what's in front of me. I think I look good. I sort of put together my look. And I think you look good. I think you look a stud. I think your necklace is working for me. I'm wearing my t-shirt and that's it.

I don't know what you're- Minimalist. It's fine. Can you just take the compliment? Wow. I actually won't take the compliment because I'm suspicious that you're only complimenting me in the we sort of conjugation of this

because you want to compliment yourself and say that you look good, which you do. You need to examine that. That's a whole therapy that I'm not qualified to go into. You know, I did look into therapists this week. You'd be proud of me. Are you ready to make the jump from- From therapizing myself to having someone with a degree do it?

Yes, it's time. Now, what are you looking into? You want to go in person again? You want to- Well, I just want an in-person session. You know what I mean? Like, for example, are you caught up on Mare of Easttown?

I still have not seen an episode, and I'm so- I know I'm really- Well, the way you were able to perform that stunning sketch written by Sudi Green on this week's episode of SNL that was sort of based in the world of Mare of Easttown, wouldn't we say? It was as if you've seen every episode. I mean, you were so stunning. That Delco accent you did, that was so good.

Delco. Delco. Pittsburgh. Delco. I got to go home and make dinner for my two daughters and son I'm picking up a hoagie from Wawa you gotta get the coffee from Wawa for my daughters for my daughters my daughters the coffee and the hoagie from Wawa

they like their hoagie from Wawa hoagie guess what I saw Hunter Biden at the local Hobby Lobby I don't even Biden at the local Hobby Lobby. I don't even know. Do they have Hobby Lobby in Pennsylvania or Delaware? No, I don't know what they have outside of Wawa. I feel like it's been such a... Wawa has really taken the world stage, hasn't it? It really has stormed the ball.

Wawa... I just want to make sure that people understand that Wawa is not just some location punchline. No, it's a way of life. It is a respectable establishment that actually makes great food. I mean, we need more. I think there's a hole in the market for places like Wawa across the country, like between a 7-Eleven and like, you know, let's say a Walmart. Right. So it's sort of meeting in the middle there it's what andrew yang would call a bodega you know what i mean what that absolute

fool would call a bodega that's it that's good anyway so gonna flow away from that one so you don't have to weigh in uh because uh that'd be bad for you but um let's just talk for a second i want to tell you i tv is being my therapy right now. Oh, yeah. Between Mare of Easttown and Girls 5 Ever. And The Circle. Let's talk about The Circle. The finale of The Circle.

Let's wrap up The Circle. Wow. What a moment. What a moment. Our winner won. That's all we'll say. Our winner won. Delisa, she took the crown.

Best catfish in the damn business. Found out today she found out she was pregnant while she was in the circle oh my god and she still played that game imagine that imagine that for a second imagine that you got the fact that you're pregnant sitting right here yeah yeah and you got the game sort of swirling around you know what i mean she's she's and then she's still catfishing as a man still convincingly catfishing as a man You know what I mean? She's, she's, and then she's still catfishing as a man, still convincingly catfishing as a man. You know what I mean?

There's no such thing as gender. Name another legend. Name another legend. That's what I'm going to say. Oh my God. Name another legend besides Lisa. You can't. I'm waiting for hours.

No one can. Roni's back. Real Housewives of New York is back. Roni's back. I'm thrilled. We have Ebony K. Williams Talking In her first scene Talking about how She takes shits on dates

I'm in I'm not sold on Ebony Just yet I don't know why You're a bitch That's why You're a fucking bitch That's why I'm a bitch

There's no reason You're a fucking bitch Maybe I need to research More before See I've decided Not to wait until Mama let's research Mama let's research

I mean But she's a Fox News gal though No queen I'm sure she's made App a fox news gal though no queen i'm sure she's made appearances on fox news all right first of all just because you go on fox news doesn't make you i understand i understand she's not persona non grata by any means i just think i just think there i i am getting a little bit of like i don't know what the politics are there but why do i care i should actually not it doesn. Well, because they're mostly bad on Roni. All of the New York housewives are, are, are, are beyond, beyond help at this point politically. But why should I care as a

viewer? They have to be beyond help though, because that's what makes them so watchable. The fact that they are so beyond help as a group. We love that. I hold no one to any standard when it comes to their, their politics, especially when they're on television. But love that. I hold no one to any standard when it comes to their politics, especially when they're on television. But I just, I need to know more about Ebony. I think I'm going to like her by episode three, I'm sure. I like her. She sold me. Although, you know, it doesn't take much.

She kind of came in there real hot and I liked it. What do we think of Leah's conversion to Judaism? I think, I don't know. We'll have to check back in on that one. She's cuckoo to me. She's cuckoo to me. She's full cuckoo to me now. To convert to Judaism as a response to your alcohol issues,

to your sobriety problems is suspect. Feels like she might need to join me and log in onto therapy.com or whatever the fuck. Therapy.com. Therapy.com or whatever the fuck therapy.com therapy.com where the therapists are sort of just for therapy.com to think about as a jingle here's someone we have someone with us this week who i mean has has has really therapized the community for for years at this point wouldn't you say? I mean, I would say that I became better as a result of the therapy that was getting to know our guest through her performances and, you know, just appearances throughout time.

Can I tell you, I actually, the guest does not know this. I recently went to Dragon Drive. Oh my God. And the guest was the host in LA. Amazing. And it was a the host in LA. Amazing. And it was a fucking blast. It was so fun to see live drag again. You don't realize how much you miss it.

I know. Oh, trust me. And then you and I, did you and I go to, um, the season seven finale party in New York where our guests hosted the event? Yes,

we did. So I think so. We were there. So fucking Violet, you were aerial I think so. Okay, yes. We saw fucking Violet do her aerial silks right in front of us. I think it was the same day that Caitlyn Jenner came out with her cover, right? And it was June of

2014, 2015. I don't know. I wasn't thinking of Caitlyn Jenner that day. I was. I was thinking of Caitlyn Jenner that day. It was truly a moment. To be able to go to the show and then have and then hear our guests take on it which i think was truly like the best take she was like she's still a shitty person it was still the gist of what our guest was saying and she's remained a

shitty person to this day and now she might be become the shitty governor of california which i'd like to revisit my i don't think so honey from i believe two weeks ago and say no absolutely fucking not absolutely absolutely we're gonna need another we're gonna need interaction part two if she takes the fucking house i'm gonna be there i'm taking it out you're gonna be there queen and let's just say the was just for the for the truly stupid out there this queen is the winner of Drag Race Season 6, a stand-up comedian legend. Joan Rivers gave her blessing, I mean, from the get-go. And then...

I'm sure we're going to hear about Joan and the culture. And I had so much fun. I had such a great time acting alongside her in this upcoming Audible original, Hot White Heist, coming out in June. Do you perform and act? I perform and act. What about you? Are you a thespian? Oh, sometimes White Heist, coming out in June. Do you perform an act? I perform an act. What about you?

You a thespian? Oh, sometimes. You're here and there. Okay, okay. Might be performing a little bit now. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But now they host the podcast, the Bianca Del Rio podcast, which is probably the name of the year.

I mean, it gets straight to it. It lets you know exactly what you're going to get. You know what you're getting Well she's a legend And we're so excited she's here Name another legend I'm waiting Everyone welcome

Bianca Del Rio You two are fools I am cackling at this introduction Jester Fly And we learn from the best How are you doing? I'm doing well, but you know,

I recently had this whole conversation about the word legend and it's because of this whole drag race world and there's 92,000 franchises and everybody's called a legend and I'm like, they've done nothing.

You haven't done a fucking thing. Kimora Black legend. Wait, but you know what? It was because I had just watched that Tina Turner documentary and I went to Twitter and I was like, this is amazing. And I was ready to type, you know, she's a legend. But I'm like, that word's not even good enough anymore because it's been passed around to these two bit second rate drag queens from a fucking reality show. I know.

No, she she deserves this fucking word. Cher is a legend. Madonna is a legend. Barbara Streisand, not the fucking cunt that did Drag Race. Yeah, I know. Who cares? That's where I'm at.

Yeah. But then it's like, you can't even bump it down to Icon because that one's been overused. Used, used. Yeah.

It's so real. Do you accept the title when we confer it upon you? No. No, because I look at it, no, no, no. I think that's just, I'm old, yeah.

I'm old and I've been around, but you know, in gay life, it's like, I'm just grateful to get to work. You know, that's my whole thing. So in the end, it's like, no, you're not at that status yet. No, no, no, no. I mean, you are the best in the biz. I was saying, like, we went to the Dragon Drive and I was a little unclear on who was performing. It was like, I got tickets and I went and I was like, so excited.

It was you. I was like, oh my God, I feel safe. Well, I was excited to get out of my house. So I don't normally do the Voss event shows. I used to work with Brandon Voss who handles all that years ago. And then he was doing drive and drag. And he said, he's got his group of girls that he always uses. And he's like, you know, we've been using the same girls.

Would you mind coming in for a couple of dates? And I was like, I need to get out of my house. Sure. Why not? So I went and it was weird because, you know And I was like, I need to get out of my house. Sure, why not? So I went, and it was weird because, you know, I was excited to go out to do something. I wasn't so excited to be around other drag queens, but when you go,

it's like, I forgot that I'm going to be in a parking lot, most of the cities, and people are going to be in vehicles, and I'm just standing on this little platform stage that was built by a lesbian, and I'm thinking to myself, last year I was in Carnegie Hall. This is where I am now. This is what I fucking deserve.

This is what it is. I'm done, bitch. Yeah, yard gigs. Fucking yard gigs. That's what I was doing. It was good. I mean, it was fun to get to do it. It was fun to get out. Again, weird having cars and stuff, but you adjust. It's like anal. You just adjust. You just adjust. Once you

realize it could be way worse trust me you should have seen some of those cunts i was with backstage trust me i'm like i'm good i'm good i'm good life is good yeah that was a good group though i'm you know who was there who's there well i was gonna say you know who was fucking incredible plastic oh she's amazing plastic is like she's also stunning. Yes, she is. And she's rotted. Like, she's got a great sense of humor that I didn't expect because I didn't know her before. So I saw her picture, you know, through Instagram and everything.

And everybody assumes since we all did Drag Race that we all know each other. So I'm looking at her pictures going, I don't like her. And then I meet her and we are cackling and having a good time. And because she is that stunning in person, I just decided to call her my twin just because there's nothing better than when somebody's pretty to have somebody ugly go, hey, twin!

Hey, girl. So that's what I was doing the whole time with her. Much to her dismay. But yeah, she's beautiful in person. Such a good time. Naomi Smalls is fun. I had a great time with her. Yeah, so it was fun just to get back out there again.

You know? Yeah, yeah. That was really good. Asia was so good. Yes. say cameron michaels came out first and was in like she-hulk makeup and you said she was unrecognizable i was like we didn't know who the fuck she was i was like you could tell from the this yeah yeah that there was some for the readers at home who can't see me i'm sort of you know like earthquake back and forth like you know the cameron michaels i i always said for my for my snl screen test, I was going to do Cameron Michaels.

And that's why they didn't put me on. It's because they didn't know Cameron. Lauren was like, I don't know who this is. I didn't watch season 10. I didn't. I skipped season. I skipped this season. Most people did. But I was unclear on who she was

and then I had to get up really close and COVID restrictions be damned. I was peering over my mask. I was like, who is that? And I was like, I was like unclear on who she was. And then I had to get up really close and COVID restrictions be damned. I was like peering over my mask. I was like, who is that? And I was like, it was Cameron Michaels. But in a full green She-Hulk get up because it was superhero themed. It was a weird scenario because originally we were supposed to do a Christmas show. And that's what I'd signed up for in December. And then all of those states like Texas and all that just got really hot with COVID.

So they were like, we're not going to go out. So they moved it to, you know, was it February, I believe I did it? I can't remember. But they said, we're moving it there and we're doing this superhero theme. And they were like, everybody's going to be a superhero. And I'm like, oh God. And I'm like, I'm, you know, 45 years old. I don't need to be in a leotard.

Like, what the fuck? And they said, you know, what would be your superpower? And everybody's like, gorgeousness and fierceness. And I'm like, I'm a cunt. So I was super cunt for the event. That's it. That's what you do. 45 years old in a parking lot in Texas,

wearing a leotard, making my dad proud. Yeah, making my dad proud. Wait, of course people know this and they pick up on this from you, especially recently, but you have a special relationship with this word cunt. What does the word cunt mean to you? You just called a bunch of drag queens cunts. Yeah, I don't even think of it as a bad thing.

No, no, no, no. No, I look at it as just like a gaggle. You know when a gaggle of fags isn't enough, but like a gaggle of impossible fags at brunch is like a group of cunts. It's just a cunt. You know what I'm talking about? It's not sexual. It's just like, oh, there's no reasoning.

There's no, it's like the gay version of a Karen. Does that make sense? Yeah, just annoying little faggots. You hear that noise and you know exactly what that is. You're like, ugh, cunts. It's them.

It's them. So then when you're super cunt, what is this superhero identity to you? Well, basically, it's the power to say anything hateful and go,

that's just what I do. So it's just easy. It's a blessing and a curse. Yes. Superman saves the world and I just ruin it. So I go, oh, sorry,

I'm super cunt. I didn't mean to say that. That was basically the setup. Yeah. That is a superpower. But wait, was it, I don't imagine, I can't imagine when it was like to say that. That was basically the setup. Yeah. That is a superpower. But wait, was it, I don't imagine,

I can't imagine when it was like to do that show and then, I mean, like, I think we're all used to like Zoom shows,

whatever that means, the concept of Zoom shows and just not hearing the laughter or any sort of feedback. But then, were people just honking when they were willing like to joke?

Well, it depends on where we were. Some cities were very, very serious with restrictions. Now, when we got to Florida and when we got to Texas, they don't give a fuck. I mean, they are, talk about cunts. Florida was the one place where masks and teeth were optional. I mean, that's Florida. So, it was tricky when you're there

and they were outside of their vehicles. So, it was nice to have some people reacting, but in some cities, they were actually, you know, following the rules and staying in their vehicles. So, the first two nights was wild. But luckily we were doing two shows a night. So, you know, it's always like first show, got through it, second show, that was kind of fun. Then the next night you're like, okay, we're back on track. So you just had to get adjusted to it. But it was, have you ever done a bad gay pride?

Well, that's redundant, bad gay pride. You know, any gay pride event that you've done where you go and it's in the middle of nowhere and you're in a tent, there's no air condition. There's a mirror this big and you're getting paid. Topeka Pride. Completely. Kalamazoo. It's that type of setup. That's what it felt like

the entire time was like a gay pride event that you couldn't get out of. That's what it felt like. I don't know if it's because of COVID and it's because I missed traveling. Matt and I did one little fun. It wasn't little. It was a big tour, but then that was it. And then, you know, shit got crazy. But then I miss,

in some ways, I felt like it was more meaningful to be, to do a queer gay thing in a town that like maybe didn't always have these events for people to rally around. Yeah. I mean, I'm asking such an earnest question, but like did you ever get that feeling that going to the small town Pride events

felt kind of fun at least? Oh God, no, I love to travel. I'll do anything. I'm not picky. I mean, I'm doing this podcast. The thing is, it's just the way that it is. It's like, I love going and doing it and I like it when it's a bad situation.

Everything can't be perfect. Like I was saying earlier, in 2019, I got to do Carnegie Hall, but then the next night, this just goes to show you, you're in Carnegie Hall, you're living your little fantasy. I got on my bus the next morning

and we drove to, I think it was Pennsylvania or Philly. I can't remember which one it was. But we go there and I'm in another venue and this is a rock venue that I'm now in, folding chairs, the stage is too high, the air condition is broke, there is no dressing room.

That's the next night. And I'm like, you know what? That's what I fucking deserve. Just to let you know. This is it. Just to remind you that's where you come from. So I love the whole magic of it. So I'll do anything.

I'll go to any of these events or anywhere I'm at. And that's what was so great about Drive and Drag is also just the commitment to people coming out to see it. You know, driving into this setup. They're just like, we need entertainment too. So it was actually fun. Yeah. It's so funny to talk about how every state is different. It was truly like, it was like the heart of the pandemic.

And my sister sent me a message and it was a video message of her. She lives in St. Petersburg, Florida. So she was out and it was a video of literally, truly, she was in the front row at a Kennedy Davenport show Kennedy's just doing three flips in front of her and I was like oh my god I texted back oh my god

amazing what the fuck like I'm like I'm like batting down the hatches here I'm like she can't possibly have a mask on there unless that was a reveal it's so it's so crazy. Florida don't care.

You know that by the way they vote. She says they were being safe. No, they all say that. Yeah, yeah. I just had that conversation with some fag the other day. I was in New York

and this queen, I was like, hey, and she didn't have a mask on and I was just like standing outside basically in the bike lane in a hut eating

with other friends because that's what it is in Ninth Avenue and she came over and she was just like, hey, I'm like, why don't you put your mask on just Avenue. And she came over and she was just like, Hey, I'm like, I want to put your mask on just so people around don't freak out.

And she's like, Oh, I'm vaccinated, honey. I'm like, well, that's the next layer now. So it's kind of like,

are you a top? Are you a bottom? Are you single? Are you on prep? What type of vaccination did you get? It's like, it's too much. There's too much business to get out,

to get out on the front end. Just completely. Okay. Is it okay that we're having this conversation right right wait i was gonna ask what's what's your like um what's your mode when you come into new york now i mean or even back when you were doing carnegie hall a couple years ago like you come in you like stay with friend like no it's your new york girl well no i had a great many many years there and the problem was um it's just that once drag race

uh once i did drag race i started traveling quite a bit and like i was taking every every shitty gay pride so i was in and out of the city and it just became problematic to get in and out of new york and i was in a you know in a studio apartment in hell's kitchen and it was just to the point where i was like all right either i move someplace in new york or i get the fuck out and in new york i didn't want to live in queens i didn't want to live in brooklyn you know, it just didn't seem to make sense. We came to LA and it was like, okay, there's sunshine all the time.

No, my gigs wouldn't get canceled because of snow or I couldn't get out of LaGuardia. So I was like, let me just try this for a while. And I was stuck in LA for about four years and now I'm in Palm Springs. So, yeah. So we were talking about Palm Springs before we got on because we all love.

So you live there now? I live there, live there. Yeah. So the crazy shit was, so I was in London doing this musical. Everybody's talking about Jamie. And I was finishing it up in the end of February, early March, I believe. And I was coming home and I had eight weeks off to get my tonsils out and to buy a house. I know, random.

I know. 45 years old. The schedule. Exactly. So I'm like, okay, this is great timing to make this happen. I know, random. I know, 45 years I'll get tonsils. The schedule. Exactly. So I'm like, okay, this is great timing to make this happen. I got there. I came out to Palm Springs

because my assistant lived here already. Came out here. I saw a house. I came in here on a Wednesday, saw a house on a Friday and I had it by Monday. And it was just like, boom, boom. And I'm like, okay,

now I'm going to get tonsils. And then boom, we were in lockdown. So I was in a house that I had just bought with no furniture, no, absolutely nothing sitting in palm springs the beginning of the entire pandemic tonsils still in tonsils still in because we canceled the surgery so we're talking to you with the bad tonsils right now yeah i'm good now because it's fucking hot here but when i get into cold air that's that's the problem so that's when it's right yeah so they were like it's elective

surgery we'll reschedule you until, you know, it's later. Did they drive you into LA for those days that we were working together? Yes. They did? Oh my God. I felt so bad. I was like,

they're like, Bianca's about to touch down into the studio in LA. And I was like, and she drove all, like they drove her all the way from Palm Springs. Well, yeah.

I mean, it's not a big deal just to go from here to there. It's not that bad. I feel like it's still such a drive though. I mean, I mean. If you hit traffic, you're looking at a three hour moment.

But if you come at the right time, you can actually get in and out of there in an hour and a half if you come in the right time. Isn't that words to live by? If you come at the right time.

If you come at the right time. If you come at the right time, honey, yeah. Yeah, but I always feel like Palm Springs, whenever I'm there, I'm always so happy to be there for like three days.

And then the fourth, fifth day, did you have like a period where you hit a wall where you were like, okay, it's Palm Springs, whenever I'm there, I'm always so happy to be there for like three days. And then the fourth, fifth day, did you have like a period of a period where you hit a wall where you were like, OK, it's Palm Springs all the time. Like, are you loving it? Well, no, because I'm not in the direct city. I'm a little further out, which is great. So I'm a little more residential. And I mean, I'm in this super Republican neighborhood, which is weird because I'm the darkest thing without a lawnmower. But it is one of these areas where you're out here. So I'm not in the middle of the airbnbs and all the gays have

in their moment so i know where that is which is about 15 minutes away so if i need it i can go find it but i'm a little further out so i like being alone you know i get sick of people quickly so it was easy to just kind of go this is nice this is cool i could sit at my house and be a normal person for a while there you go there you go and drink of course right of course yes yeah are you gigging out there because there's like no i i no you're just like no i haven't no my friends a lot of my friends that are from la that have come out that have done drag race that will come out and do the brunches and stuff but i have this weird contract with a production company that i can't do shit which is great because now the world's opening back up again.

And so things are slowly becoming human and normal. Yes. Okay. And you're going to get the bookings in line pretty soon. Well, yeah. Well, I have a tour that's announcing soon that I'll be back on the road with. Great.

Yeah. There are actually two announcements that are happening next week. So, yeah. Okay. Love it. We'll keep it out of the ground. Yeah.

That's awesome. The pre-exclusive. Yeah. The pre-exclusive. Yeah, the pre-exclusive. Yes, that's it. I don't know when this is airing. The announcement of the announcement. We love it. I just pitched about that online.

Drag queens love to do that. They go, big event coming up tomorrow. Oh, I can't wait to share. Just fucking tell us, cunt. Don't tell us this three days before. Just tell us when it's about to happen. It's annoying. The pre-exclusive is just a little bit thinner

than the exclusive when it comes out it's a taste it's a taste and then the exclusive better not flop I better not hear like about your new fucking podcast no I'm not doing it the crazy thing was they were up my ass

Starburst Audio for about four years asking me to do one it's about time I just thought you had to be in one place and record it You know, they were up my ass, Starburst Audio, for about four years asking me to do one. And I did, at the time. It's about time. Well, I just thought you had to be in one place and record it. I mean, that's how it was. You know, the world.

I think you'd had to be one place and do it and I couldn't commit. But then after, what, nine months and, you know, staying locked at home, I just thought, well, fuck, I need to do something. So then it was just easier. And basically, this is how we function with everybody now.

It's kind of wild. I know. Right. There is no boundary between my podcast behavior, like the way I'll talk to someone here. I mean, it's all blended together in a way that's kind of terrifying. Yes. I feel like I'm just on a podcast with everybody

I'm on Zoom with. And now you're going to have to go back into society. This is going to be tricky. Terrible. No. You're like, wait, hold on. Is this one being recorded? They're like, no, this is a private meeting. Is my quick time running? It's terrible.

But wait, Matt earlier was saying when you guys were talking about Palm Springs that like, it's like Matt hopes to end up, I mean, I think we all kind of do.

I definitely, I see myself. When I go to the, when I go to like the Tropicana or Tropical, I'm always like, this is me at the bar. This is,

I know it. And it's me very soon. And I love it. No, I think what's great about it is it's just, I mean, I come from originally from New Orleans. So it's like, it's completely the opposite. We don't have mountains down there.

I mean, we're below sea level. Not to mention, it's just, it's always sunny. The weather's always the same. It's very consistent, which is good. It's not as bad as, or hot to me, as Phoenix. And, you know, everything looks pretty. Everything's like the Flintstones. So I just love the whole idea of it.

You know, it works for me. It is bedrock. It is all bedrock. Completely. The town. I'm just like, in a charming way. In a way that is not terribly haunting to me in the way that like, oh, it's mid-central.

Like, whatever. I'm like, no, it's nice. It's, I just, I see myself there too. But I feel like when you're in LA, it's just the proximity is like, it calls to you in a different way. And I think Matt's experiencing that right now. Yeah.

I mean, look, to be honest, the only reason, I mean, one of the main reasons why I moved out here is so I could actually appear young. So it's great when you look at the people that are here. I'm like, I'm not, I'm chicken here. This is scary. This is like a whole new world for me.

Yeah. But you have Nary a crow's foot on your face, Bianca. You're you're looking fresh well i just had this laser done this lady just burned the shit out of me she was like all right you got some dark spots on your face we're gonna zap it then she zapped it and it got darker i don't know what the fuck but um well no well i mean you know i've had botox for christ's sake yeah you got to do that every now and then yeah well how how often because i think i think i think this is as i'm pointing at your face saying that saying that this is my goal in like five years.

Oh, well, I don't do it that often, like every six months. And the doctor does it in different spots. So he doesn't do the same spots always. So if he does here, he won't do there. And then he'll do that next time. So you still have some mobility. So you don't have that Nicole Hickman forehead yet. Yeah, you know what I mean?

That, you know, what have you seen? Are you friends with her? mobility so you don't have that Nicole Hickman forehead yet. You know what I mean? Are you friends with her? She's not a close friend. I was watching The Undoing and a couple of my friends are like, I wish she didn't have so much work. And I'm like, no. She's playing like an Upper East Side rich woman. It's like Nicole

Hickman is playing a version of herself on The Undoing. I'm cool with it. And that woman also might have a slight Australian accent. You don't know. You don't know where she went to university. I am excited to see her though. Excited slash interested in this whole Lucy biopic thing that's happening.

Did you hear about that? We did. I've seen the photo and people are a little up in arms about the photo. Yes. It's a lot to little up in arms about the photo, right? Yes. Yes. Because what's happening is. It's a lot to be up in arms about. It's her face in an orange wig and everybody's like, you know, that's, I think the headline was something ridiculous at one of those Daily Mail things that was like, she's the spitting image of Lucy.

And it's like, girl, girl, you know, but then they're like, it's not. It's okay, we can say. Right. Yeah. I mean, she's not going to win Snatch Game, but it's in that thing then they're like, it's okay. We can say, right. I mean, she's not going to win snatch game, but it's in that thing where you're like, it doesn't. And then they're like, justifying it by going, it's not Lucy. I love Lucy. It's Lucille Ball's life. So I'm curious to see what it's about. Yeah. She's such an amazing actress that like, I'll be interested

in what the take is. I will say it was originally supposed to be Cate Blanchett. And I think that would have been fucking amazing. Yeah. Like that. I just think energy wise, because you know, Lucy, like,

or Lucille ball rather, like she was a rather like hard person. You know what I mean? Like she was like a tough woman. She was a tough business woman. She took no shit. Like as, as,

as funny and as like, you know, broad as she was on the show, she was a, she was a real tough one. And I think that, you know, Cate Blanchett like show, she was a real tough one. And I think that, you know, Cate Blanchett like has that like natural toughness and take no shit,

which she brought to, you know, the aviator. And she's just, we've seen her do so many times that I was really excited about that. And I think Nicole can find it and get there. And I never bet against Nicole, but in terms of just pure casting, I will say I was excited for the Cate Blanchett, Lucy moment.

See, I'm still upset that Cate didn't win the Academy Award for Elizabeth and they gave it to Gwyneth Paltrow that year. Remember that shit? It was for that Shakespeare book. Like that fuckery. Like, come on. Like, you know good and goddamn well.

But she did win for The Aviator, which was supporting, but whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do love her. I mean, well, now she's also got her Blue Jasmine one. So she's got a couple on her damn shelf. But the thing about someone like that is it's like, they always deserve to win.

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So basically like they, they've obviously come under fire because there's almost no diversity in their voting body, which is essentially 88 like European men who like named Geppetto and, and, and like, like basically, basically you can,

you can, you can send them like a basket of cookies and they'll vote for you. And that's like, just basically essentially how the golden globes works. Like it's like crazy European guys that are like, and they're like the, the, the way that they vote is like,

is actually a little bit sexist. And apparently there's, someone came out, I believe it was Scarlett Johansson actually said today, she made a huge statement and she said, I am not going to be participating

in the Hollywood foreign press events going forward because every time I go to press events with them, they ask very sexist questions. Their platform for diversity outreach going forward is not satisfactory and so now everyone like is sort of getting on board with being like we're pulling out we're pulling out like netflix announcing we're not

doing any hollywood foreign and bc's not going to broadcast wow they're not going to broadcast it yeah wow so they came under fire then they to it. The response wasn't good enough. More people are coming out to the point where this to me is hilarious. Tom Cruise went to the Hollywood foreign press offices and returned his three golden globes in protest. So now people are like, well, she's a stunt queen. And I'm like, yeah. No, she's the worst. Stunt queen. I'm like yeah no she's the worst I was like yeah Tom Cruise brought his golden globes to the Hollywood foreign press offices

then he said do better hopped on the back of a Sea Org member went back to the Scientology Celebrity Center and threw darts at a woman who looked at Ann Archer wrong in the hallway give me a fucking break wait a minute first of all let's talk about the big problem here why does Tom Cruise have three golden globes?

That's what I want to know. What the fuck has he done that he's got three? What are you waiting for? Rock of Ages? Yeah. What are these wins? What are these wins?

It's like the new seasons of Drag Race. Who cares? It's not special anymore. You gave it to her. What does it matter? You gave it to her. What does it matter? Okay, it's Magnolia, Jerry mcguire and born on the fourth

of july in case anyone's one of those are the way sure sure sure i mean first of all the moment the moment in first of all let's just let's just let's call it his career yeah the moment the moment of jerry mcguire is renee zellweger she is the moment okay she? She said, it's Kelly Preston. It's Kelly Preston for me. It's the late Kelly Preston. Yeah. Yeah. Getting fucked by him. This is getting...

Don't ever stop fucking me! What an incredible read. That was good. Thank you. Yeah, that was really good. Sketch Legend, for your consideration. We are...

For your consideration, Emmys this year, but again, it's gonna happen. Sketch legend, for your consideration. We are, for your consideration, Emmys this year. But again, it's going to happen. FYC, baby. The buzz is building. But wait, no, it's so funny to me, though, that people like, like occasionally he'll come out and be like, hey, yeah, I want to say that I'm on the right side of one thing.

And then people are like, yeah, we stan. And I'm like, no, He is a leader of a cult. Please, stop. You know, have you ever seen Scarlett Johansson in person? She is the tiniest little thing, biggest tits I've ever seen on such a small frame. She's very small. I have a picture with her.

I'll have to send it to you. She's literally like this tiny little thing, huge tits. Beautiful, though. Very beautiful. She's va-va-voom. I can't wait for Black Widow. Look, I'm looking to get back into the movie theater. I went the other

night to see Together Together starring our friend Patty Harrison. She was fabulous. I'm just like, it feels good to be back in the movie theater again. They're like half full so it's not as exciting, but any of these big movies, I want to go see. But that's the best capacity. 50% capacity at a theater is the best.

Even in the before, it was like, oh, great. It was like a Thursday afternoon thing that you would do. And it'd be like, this is perfect. Pick your seat. There you go. What's the theater in Palm Springs? You know, I have no idea. Because when I got here, everything was closed.

So things are just slowly now opening up. So I haven't done my research. Yeah, I know nothing. So you're discovering it for the first time. I am discovering it now. Yeah, I went to my friends, Jackie Beat and Sherry Vine had drag shows at this place called Oscars downtown.

So I went to go- Are they legends? Legends. They're legends because they, you know, I would call them legends because this is what I would say about anybody like Lady Bunny and Coco Peru and Varla Jean Merman and all of those queens.

These are bitches who started, you know, in the early nineties and that are still working and didn't have the platform of drag race, didn't have social media. So the fact that they're still around, still doing what they do, and they're still fucking funny as shit.

They're bitter as hell, but they're funny as shit that it's great. I would call them legends because they're committed. And also they're a huge reminder to me to say, stop drag. So I know at some point I'm going to go, i don't want to be her so i will stop but yeah it's wild because they've been around i mean can you imagine just doing this since the 90s i mean that's that's that's a commitment bitch no and you really do forget like you know now because now it feels like um when we do the new seasons of drag, almost everyone that's on the show now, like, started doing drag or came of age doing drag while the show was on.

So there is like that. While I still really love the show. And I actually thought season 13 was like an incredibly strong season. I enjoyed it. In the grand scheme. Bianca's making a face. No, it was so long. It was.

I get it. But what the fuck else are we doing? You know what I mean? grand scheme. Bianca's making a face. No, it was so long. It was, it was. I get it, but what the fuck else are we doing? You know what I mean? That's the thing. Anytime that anyone's saying like, it was long,

it was long, I was like, I was grateful for it. Now, I'll say this. I haven't started watching Australia because I am a little fatigued at this point.

I haven't, no. I haven't watched it. Yeah. Well, I haven't watched since my season and it's wild because like, I literally watched

the season six in a bar doing bar viewings. As I told you, I'll do anything. So I was doing bar viewings while it was airing in TV and I have not sat back and watched any of it since then. So, and then after that I was traveling and then it started getting really complicated when it started going to specific channels that weren't in my

hotel or wherever I was traveling at, like then it went to VH1 and it switched from logo. And then it was all, and I was like, I don't care anymore. anymore you know I can't keep up you know it's challenging. Did you at least watch Bob's season? Did you at least watch Bob's season? I did watch Bob's season I saw a marathon of Bob's season but I did know what was going on because Bob and I are friends so it was that kind of a thing where you know he was eight so I was out working but yeah we kept in touch and I knew what was going on but I think that was probably the last time that i sure cared uh this was eight yeah that's fair that's fair i mean hearing you talk about you know jackie and and just the coco and and lady bunny i'm just like oh but see bianca's win was great even like in in my like you know zygote era of being in new york city i was like being like a baby i was just like oh but it feels

like bianca has this connection with like i hate to use this term but like that old school of drag yeah well i mean when we started drag i mean that's how it was i mean i started in 96 and so the thing was that you you had to have a gimmick you had to have something you were doing so either you were this super perfect lip sync artist, or you were the dancing queen, or you were the trans goddess that would be, you know, naked with the capes and all this stuff, or you were the clown. And that's kind of how it started for me. And I didn't consider myself a clown. They told me I was a clown. And in that situation is just how it rolled. So you I would basically cover the time while the girls were doing costume changes to talk to the audience,

because no one else wanted to talk to the audience so that's kind of how it evolved and when you're dealing with drunk people at 2 a.m on a wednesday night in new orleans girl girl yeah that's the bottom of the barrel uh so trial by fire that that is yeah challenging but you know it was what it was so that's just what i did all those years and then then it just kind of went into. And so Drag Race for me, I did it at 37. I had a birthday while we were filming. So I was 37 and I thought I will quit drag at 40. You know, I'm sick of schlepping from bar to bar and doing shitty pride gigs. I thought, all right, I could wrap this up and just live a normal life.

And then Drag Race kind of changed everything. So it was the last minute chance of like, let's go do it. See what's going to happen. Because I'd seen many of my untalented friends go far, manila and i thought well i could do this you know like people know jiggly's name what the fuck i could go do something yeah while we're talking days of lore we should ask the question bowen what do you think the central question of the show las codrices that we currently are uh actually participating in right now i think think we should. You should have. It's time. The question is, Bianca,

what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? So basically this was the pop culture that entered your life at a certain point when you were like, oh, wait, I see myself in this. I am affected by this. I'm going to follow this impulse. Oh, well, it's tricky because it didn't, it wasn't actually happening in real life at my

time but it was through videotapes and a friend of mine um a guy that worked for the local newspaper back in the day in new orleans uh i just started drag and he says i need you to watch this videotape it's important and i got to watch a videotape of charles pierce and charles pierce was this amazing drag queen from way back when and And it was the moment that I went, oh, this is what it was. He wasn't pretty. He was doing impressions, but it wasn't, it was his take on the impression. So it's very much like Saturday Night Live in that moment where visually you have some of the stuff that gives you the nuances, but it was the culture in the world that it was like, oh, so it's not all about looking like a woman. Oh, it's not all about being serious. That I went, oh, that's for me.

And then I think the other side of it was, you know, just I was in the Madonna age, you know? So that was like my culture and my life that I was like, oh, God, that's, oh, I want to be in music videos. I want to be, you know, I want to wear that ponytail, you know, and sing Vogue. That was my thing. And I still love her, even though she's kind of crazy now. But I'm like, you know, I'm not mad at her. But, yeah, that would probably be the most interesting thing that took me over, yeah.

Charles Pierce, okay, she's doing, like, whatever happened to Baby Jane as, like, Betty Davis. Like, that, she has that, like, Betty Davis face. Yes, but he also was a huge character actor. He was, like, on Love Walk. Yeah, I mean, in that day he was one, also, Jim Bailey

was another one. Jim Bailey used to impersonate Judy Garland and do a full concert as Judy Garland. I mean, like, made his living. He was on The Carol Burnett Show, was on Johnny Carson. And the same thing with Charles Pierce. He was a brilliant character actor. So he was on Love Boat, Fantasy Island. He was on everything in the 70s, and you can find him. But he was just one of those people that actually made a living as a drag queen.

And I thought, oh, wow, you know, that's cool. I think I want to do that. Like around the same time as like a Divine even? Or I'm having trouble like parsing the time. Yes, it would be. Like two different spectrums. I think, perfect example. Charles Pierce was good friends with Bea Arthur,

if that gives you any. Bea Arthur gave his eulogy. So that's the kind of queen he was. But I think he probably, well, he could be the same age as Divine. I can't remember. But it was also, you know, starting out back then where you didn't have female names,

starting out when you couldn't dress in drag. I mean, there was a time even in New Orleans that you would get arrested if you were in drag, which is kind of crazy. They put you in a paddy wagon, girl. Take you to jail for wearing heels. So it was a different time. But I was just shocked by these people that basically made careers out of this and were just brilliantly talented.

Yeah. If you go to a YouTube hole, you've got to look up Charles Pierce. You'll be cackling. There's one called Charles Pierce in San Francisco, which was hysterical. You've got to look at it. See, I mean, are you a little disappointed in us that we're not as familiar?

No. Most of the time, most of the time, we have some awareness around our guests' answers. Yeah, I don't want to care. No, I'm educating you. It's true. The children don't know. Sometimes the children have forgotten. Sometimes the children I don't want to care. No, I'm educating you. It's true. The children,

the children don't know. Sometimes the children have forgotten. Sometimes the children just don't know. No. And I think, I just think it's, it's, it's just for me,

it was just my gay culture. And then I knew all of these older, you know, drag queens that I worked with throughout the years that some of them, they gave me the best advice, you know, throughout the years. So I just appreciate,

that's why, I guess that's why I'm friends with the old girls. Like, you know, I mean, they're not much older than me about 10 years older but you know sherry jackie varla coco and all of them it's like they've kind of welcomed me into that world but they're you know they're the best they don't cut they don't play any games they deliver and i mean you go see any of their shows and you come out of their cackling which is nice yeah they're drag which i like and it feels like that's that's like that's exactly what

it's supposed to be is like you're not supposed. It's like you're not supposed to give a fuck. You're not supposed to give a fuck what is happening outside in that moment. Did you know Rue at all before doing the show? Like, were you connected to Rue at all? No, not at all. I think my only connection with Rue, in 1993 or 2, I can't remember. It might have been 1992. I was still in high school.

I had a friend that was an actress, and she was introducing at at this it was a no aids task force event that was happening in new orleans it was a big i think halloween party and it was the height of supermodel and so rue was coming in and so i was there and got to see rue and um you know it was just this big entourage came in big blonde hair but also at that time nobody was doing it like rue you know so rue was on tv and had all this exposure but that was the first run-in and then in new york occasionally i would see her either on the street or at splash bar when i worked there with bunny uh that she came in splash oh girl uh yeah um so that's where i've run into her a couple of times that was all pre-drag race so it wasn't until we did the show that you know I got to well I'm not even sure if it was her it was probably a hologram but she was in the room with me during that yeah yeah right yeah right yeah I recently I recently

actually fell down a wormhole of like the so it's so funny because like you just think of the RuPaul supermodel moment as this moment that happened and that was what catapulted Ru but what I constantly forget is that it was directly connected to the fact that like that was also the dawn of the age of the supermodel yes and the other day i was like i've fallen down a wormhole of like i guess what they call the big six which was you know naomi christy turlington linda evangelista i guess kate moss um cindy crawford and like uh i don't want to forget I said Naomi and was it Claudia Schiffer maybe it was Claudia Schiffer Claudia Schiffer yeah guest model

and then like Tyra Banks would come a little bit after that I'm over here saying Carla Bruni like an idiot well I guess like and I remember like there was like I guess Ru was on Watch What Happens Live with Naomi and Andy asked about the song Supermodel and Naomi,

she lit up because she was like, we love that so much. And I think like, I sometimes forget that that moment for Rue was probably so huge because the supermodels were so huge. Like nowadays it's like, they try to make some of these girls happen in terms of being supermodels. Like, I guess we have like, we know, we know their names. Like we know gg hadid is we know that kendall jenner does walk the runway yeah um but like at the time like that was such a huge moment and then for that song to be connected to that

huge moment pop culturally that's what made rue sort of explode right like and they also even opened remember the fashion cafe which was like a planet hollywood gay version that they had they had it in new york they had one in new orleans and i think one in los angeles so it was like they were investing this restaurant that was based all around supermodels which is insane to think about yeah the 90s yeah and i was i was reading i was reading because i was sort of trying to educate myself about this because i was like you know there's really not a lot of supermodels now and it was basically about how those five or six women became so powerful in the fashion industry that basically fashion couldn't go without them. So like it, like it, they basically made a

decision as an industry that we were never going to let six women become this powerful because like we couldn't, they couldn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I only get out of bed for $10,000. Was not a joke. That's a good one. You know, it's funny's what you mean. Yeah, like, I only get out of bed for $10,000 was not a joke. That's a good one. You know what's funny? One time I was in New York and I ran into Linda Evangelista at Party City. She was buying a costume.

I swear to God. Because I am, I don't, do you do this? I don't know if either one of you do this, but when you go, especially like in New York,

it's that type of thing where your eyes are always open to see if you know somebody. I'm one of those. Oh, yeah. Out of my groups of friends, I'm the one who spots the person first. So I was going up and down the aisle.

I was in the little luau section and there she was, but she was standing there and I'm like, you know, that moment when you're like, oh my God, that looks like Linda Evangelista.

This is happening in my head going that looks, that woman looks a lot like Linda Evangelista. Not like that is, that woman could be if she had a little more makeup if her hair was this if and this wasn't a party city like i know she can't be here you know it's new york it's new york like i always say there's a select few of phantom people that you would never see in person princess diana michael jackson well maybe because they're dead but princess diana michael jackson

madonna you wouldn't see locally you would run into liza you would run into you know anybody on the street that you would go oh hey you know joan rivers was one cindy adams you know that kind of stuff you expect to see but you wouldn't expect to see linda evangelist in party city so i was shocked i told her hello and she just looked at me that was fucking crazy and that was that yeah how are you positive that was that it was her though? Because I said to her, I was like, oh my God,

I'm sorry. You look a lot like Linda Vangelis. She goes, my name's Linda. And I go, oh, nice to meet you. I love you.

And I just went away. I was like, you know, you become that faggot, you know, where you're like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

Sure. Yeah. One time, one time I was in, I was in Central Park and I was walking with my friend and we saw Kevin Bacon walking his dog.

And as he was walking by with his dog, she told me, she says, we're going to play it cool. We're not going to say anything. I said, of course not. He's walking his dog. That's what it is. And as soon as he passes, my friend screams, well, I left you in footloose. And I was like, oh, what a fucking troll. Like that girl. Yeah. So one he hasn't heard before. Jesus. Exactly.

But he waved and kept moving. But you know. What's your mo when people do that to you though i don't mind it i'm i'm happy if they even give a shit you know yeah i like it when it's a surprise one uh so it's like if you're going through tsa and you're standing there and you put this and they pulled your bag aside and you're like i know because when you're traveling a lot you're like there ain't no water in there there ain't no no gun. What the fuck is up? And they pull the bag over and then you go over there and I'm like,

this is gonna be another 10 minutes. I can't sit in the lounge and it's somebody going, hey, Bianca. And I'm like, hey, you were my favorite. I just want to tell you hello.

I'm like, can I get my bag back? So those moments are fun. They hold your bag just to say hi to you? Yeah, she was telling me hi. She was just wiping my bag down,

telling me hello that I was her favorite. I was like, that's sweet. I couldn't give this back to you until I said, it's like, well, you have Yeah, she was telling me hi. She was just wiping my bag down, telling me hello, that I was her favorite. I was like, that's sweet. I couldn't give this back to you until I said. It's like, well, you have to give it back to me. Yeah, but you wouldn't expect it.

So it's that kind of stuff that's fun. A flight attendant, somebody at Starbucks that writes your name on the cup before you even see it and then it's like, you get it and it's like,

Bianca with a heart. You're like, oh, this is fucking dumb. But it is kind of wild. It is kind of wild because, you know, when you go and film that stuff, you just don't like in my head i thought maybe my friends in new york would watch my people i know in los angeles and people in new orleans i didn't expect for

everybody in different countries to watch globally to know or care yeah your season was a sea change though i really think that you know because so four and five like really put it on the map and then i really do believe like everyone in the queer community. I put everyone in quotes, but like everyone, all my friends were watching by season six. I think even season six was maybe the first season that I was like, OK, I'm actually I knew I liked the show since season two, but it wasn't my favorite show until season six. And then I think it was like around six, seven, eight. And then I believe by the time season nine was happening,

it was like a full-blown phenomenon. But your season was really the season where it started to change. I think it was good casting. I think it was just that they allowed, I mean, you know, we were all, like Courtney, Courtney Act was extremely established, you know, globally working and doing stuff.

And she was in, what was she, late 20s and 30s? And Adore was huge on the American Idol there. And I mean, I was 37, so they allowed older, you know globally working and doing stuff and she was in what she's late late 20s and 30s and adore was huge on the american idol there and i mean i was 37 so they allowed older darian was older than me so it was there was a lot of diversity in age and also experience which was great um and and you know down to the final four we were all completely different as people and not necessarily in competition with one another so it's not like i think now it's hard for me to watch because there's, you know, these little Instagram girls where they look gorgeous in a photo,

but I go, what do you do? Like, what are you? You know? Yeah. I mean, you've heard this a million times,

but it does feel like six was the last season before things started to tip into Instagram appealing. Yeah. And before things started to be done on the show with the foresight of, what's it going to look like on Insta? Six was sort of that last little moment that we all sort of hold dear

that I remember being like, okay, there's something changing with Seven once it came on. And I was like, oh, I long for the days of season six. I heard myself saying that. Well, I didn't even have Instagram or Twitter

until I did the show. So it was that kind of a thing where they were like, well, it'd be best if you maybe get online and create a social profile. And I'm like, okay. So it was something

that they suggested you do. They suggested to us. We didn't have, and it's tricky now because, you know, it's a completely different world as far as the contracts are concerned

and the media size with VH1 being involved. So even once you film the show, VH1 and all of them will sit with you separately and then go through their propaganda fuckery and things that you're expected and things you have to do. It's kind of like appearances as Miss America, you know? I didn't have any of that. It was literally like you do the show. We were paid 500 bucks an episode. That's what it was. It was two days for every episode except for our rusical which took three days um and that

was that contract was show up at the finale and we're happy thank you so much and then i got my money and that was that so i didn't have any restrictions i was not signed to them or any of that madness so it's a completely different game i think the same thing kind of happened with american idol where it was free for all for a hot minute. And then they started controlling and handling all the girls, which is the situation they're in now. So, you know, good luck. I mean, glad I did it when I did it.

But yeah, it's a different world. And I think as the show has gotten bigger, you know, the rules have changed and the demographic has changed, you know? So it can be challenging. I mean, it's a blessing and a curse i'm grateful for the platform but i also refuse to have a 13 year old girl named bethany tell me how the fuck i should live my life or what i should say or shouldn't say because she doesn't like it no no that is the time that's got to be the tough thing is it's like you know someone like tina burner who's like

an established queen for decades in new york and then she goes on and like the fucking 12 year old fandom is like we don't like it it's like well who the fuck are you like she's been doing it longer than you been alive and that's not a joke she literally might have shoes older than these kids completely but it's also the chance you take it's the chance you take and you

know I'm friends with Tina and Tina all she ever wanted was to be on the show and I think that's also the hard thing, too, is that when you want it so bad, and you've always wanted to be on it. I think she auditioned like 10 times, where it was like every season. So she finally gets on, and it's a gamble.

You know, you just never know how people are going to react. But it's just, I mean, it has nothing to do with Tina as a person or the way she comes off on television, and it has everything to do with the way that audiences expect to be in the converse, expect to dictate the conversation or they're the ones interpreting what's happening on their televisions in a way that's supposed to like materially affect these girls lives.

It's like this affects their bookings. This affects the way that people approach them. I think, for me in particular, I was grateful that I didn't have social media all those years before because I didn't know how social media worked. I didn't know that I... Well, first of all, I don't play the victim. I don't care what you think of

me. And so, in this game, I don't use social media as a platform to even discuss anything personal or get into it. Whereas Drag Race, you know, the storytelling and the fuckery. And I was left at a bus stop and I overcame this. Who cares? Sing a song, dance, blow up balloons, make it entertaining.

No one is going to go, let me go see her show because she was left at a bus stop. Like, what the fuck? And I love Roxy. Roxy and I are friends. And Roxy is a very talented performer. And what I hate is all people know is she was left at a bus stop. Like, that's the label that's there. And I mean, I went to dinner with her and she annoyed the shit out of me.

And I mean, I left her at the restaurant. But it's the same thing where you just go, like, I always tell people, her family left at the bus stop. Have you sat at dinner with her? I left her there. Like, bye. But she's got a good sense of humor. But it's a tricky situation with it because if you start to believe it and it just becomes your world, they get wrapped up in it. And then the girls get desperate.

And now it's like oversaturation. So it's really hard. Everybody's trying to get ahead and everybody's trying to stay afloat. You know, like season, was it season 11 that happened during pandemic or 12? 12. 12, yeah. So 12 came out during the pandemic and that was the sherry pie of it all.

Okay, there you go. So it was like fuckery on fuckery. Right. And I felt so bad for that season of Girls. And then this season was when they shot it in, during COVID when they figured it out, yeah. So it's just, it's like, it's a lot of people out there.

So everybody's trying to grasp and get that limelightight and it's very very challenging to do it especially when you get wrapped up in the fuckery of online yeah i mean but i but now i'm just realizing and i've kind of known this the whole time but it's like your time on the show was never you you had never given the producers any crumb of like a personal narrative which i probably made made your sort of like your season in terms of your win so clean in terms of it being just about the work and it was just like yes of course bianca deserves it because it's bianca and she was so solid all season it was tricky that's one of the reasons why i didn't think i was gonna win you know as you're going through it you know remember we're doing this over a five and a half week period.

Every day is, you know, we're doing it. So we don't have all this space. So every two days is one episode. So all I kept thinking was, let's just get through, just get through, get through. You do confessionals every day. So that's a whole separate team. So basically the show itself,

you come in the morning, we walk in, you know, our headphones, our bag. She gives us our challenge. We start this challenge. The next day is ruin, drag, our headphones, our bag. She gives us our challenge. We start this challenge. The next day is ruin, drag, runway, all of that. But each day when it ends, a different production team comes in and we do basically the untucked and our confessionals.

So we get into our one outfit. We were the first season they started doing that. So if you had on a shirt in episode one, you had to wear that shirt every day for confessionals. Right. So they could use the footage as they chose. And, you know, you would just sit back with this producer and they would ask you questions about the day and you would respond. And my responses were always just like, well, this is what I thought.

This is what I thought. And there was a moment I remember they had an issue with Ben de la Creme. She was going on with some sob story in the corner and I didn't hear it. I didn't hear the sob story. So they were like, well, what did you feel about Ben de la C story in the corner and i didn't hear it i didn't hear the sob story so they were like well what did you feel about bend of the creme so i said i didn't hear it and they said well we need to get something from you i go i didn't hear it and they go well you know she had family members i go i didn't fucking hear it i don't know i don't care about her or her family they're like we can't use that i go then quit asking but it was that kind of a thing where if you backed down,

then you probably made up some bullshit that would have stirred up a fight. But I was just like, And they used it. I don't care. I don't care about her and her family. You didn't take the bait. I was like,

they felt like they didn't really need it from you, though, because the other girls were in such despair. I mean, that was like the really tough Laganja narrative. And I feel badly about that because I feel like, you know who I'd love to see come back for an All-Star tough Laganja narrative. And I feel badly about that because I feel like, you know who I'd love to see come back for an all-star? Laganja. Because she's so good. She's really good.

Incredible. She's so talented. It just felt like that was like such a nightmare for her because like, then she said afterwards, like, I guess she really needs weed medically and like they weren't letting her have it. Like I would be freaking out too if that were the case. Like, and I just feel like that became such a,

it's actually the, I feel very attacked while it is funny and a meme, like, and we do laugh. Like the woman is having a panic attack. It was a wild scenario. And it was a very long day that day. And I knew, the thing was, while we were on the show, I wanted to kill her. I just wanted to kill her because of,

it wasn't just what was happening on camera because remember,'m not seeing her confessionals i don't know anything that's going on other than what she's showing us in the room so that was maybe my connection with her but the whole thing with her family and doing drag and and the sympathy and the family not accepting her i sat with a producer in my confessionals and i was like uh this ain't adding up and she's like well would you be willing to bring it up in front of her I go oh yeah because it doesn't add up so when we were in that room that day and I knew it was I knew she was going we just knew she was going and that's when I was just like you know what and that's when it went beyond but after that we you know we were friends now and she's like,

that really helped her was getting her ass kicked and then she realized how ridiculous she was being and, you know, she's much better now. She's lovely to be around now.

I just saw her in Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. She's great. She just seems, she seems to be in a great place and I don't know that it's necessarily like

mentally helpful for us as viewers to recommend that she go back into that environment that was really, really hard. Well,

I don't know. That's why I think she keeps saying no. I mean, I would imagine that they've asked. You know, they've asked a lot of people. I think, no, I think she's great television. She's a talented performer. For sure.

And that's truly and honestly, any situation we had on set, even though I was joking about Bend of the Crime earlier, is that, you know, we all become friends. And it was just this weird thing that once you get to the very end of it, everybody was kind of like, oh, okay, this is how it works. And it was just this weird thing that once you get to the very end of it, everybody was kind of like, oh, okay, this is how it works.

And we're glad this happened this way. Like it wasn't vindictive or nasty or hateful. Like Courtney and them were like, we knew you were going to win. I'm like, I thought you were going to win. Like I thought Adora was going to win because she cried. You know, I don't, you know,

you don't know when you're in it. So I think that was the great thing about that season because everybody brought something different to the, you know, to the table. Whereas now I think you can be in production and like have some, like telegraph something in order to get a response months down the line when the episode comes out. Like,

do you guys know what I'm talking about? Like you can, you can engineer a response from the audience months ahead. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Based on whatever you do on the show,

you know? Yeah. Well, if you notice now, if you go to twitter right now and you look at any drag race queen that's being nice to everyone on twitter that means she's trying to get liked because she's on all stars so i laugh at that when they're like everybody's everybody's different and we need to embrace shut the fuck up you're a nasty cunt we know it like we know you go home sixth so it's that kind of a thing where they're trying to, you know, fix it before it all happens. Where we were told, don't get online, don't say a word, don't do. And so it was a different, a different world.

We filmed in June and July and it didn't air till February. So we had all that time to shut the fuck up about it. And that was our quiet time. You know, when you knew New York, it was weird because I worked, I think at the time, four days a week in Fire Island and I took off to go film and I didn't tell anybody

except a handful of people. And as soon as I left town, as soon as I didn't show up for the first gig, they were like, mm-hmm, something's up. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like,

Bianca, don't ever not show up. So that was when it all kind of snowballed. But I was horrified that if i said something i would lose the opportunity you know now they got some ballsy bitches now they're all ballsy well it's like it's like if you know the right people now it's like you know what happens in a season the second they return it's like it's like they tell one of them is fucking spilling everything i mean usually i have to really tell people it like that i know

i don't want to know this year like this this was i think the first year where i was like i don't want to know what you don't want to know all stars i'm like like all stars 13 oh 13 but third but for the regular seasons i always tell people i was like i don't want to know and it was still spoiled for me that rose was on the four. Like I knew that about six weeks before. And I was like, I told you guys. Oh yeah. Wait, but let me ask you, are you two like Reddit people?

Do you go like search the shit out? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Yeah, because I don't get into that either, but usually we end up finding out from everyone else or usually when I get a call while there's production going and I get a business call from a queen

because they love to ask, well, what about management? What about t-shirts? So then I really know that they're back and then they give me their version of what happens that's really the best that's what you you get their version of their version i'm happy with all of my choices and i said this and i did that but i think it's gonna look great cut to three months later going oh the misery oh fuck tricky it's tricky and and another yeah it's good tv yeah it is and one other thing that i think is really different about the show now and i think it's becoming not a problem but it's becoming a real like rub in the show that i think is funny but

the references and sort of content that ruin the judges assume the kids will know. And they're really like 20 years old. Like when, like when none of them could name disco songs, even Tina Burner was having a hard time like naming three disco songs in front of Rue. And like, you know, when they didn't know who Charles Nelson Riley was and Rue was like, fuck you guys. But Rue just seems to have a good sense of humor about it. But that is like like i wonder like like it's it's such a different i guess it's just that's how it's gonna be when time passes like these young girls they hear they they they are the ones that say taylor swift legend yeah you know what i mean like it's it's just different yeah that's where we are now and i mean i find it fascinating because

you know it has something if you want people to know that you might want to cast people that are old enough to remember it. But and that's my thing is like if you can't just assume they're going to all be able to slay a Cher impression now in the year of our Lord 2021. You know, it's like it's true. Too mad that that, you know, like this queen who like main like it doesn't have a reference for this doesn't have the reference for this without a doubt or or what i find fascinating too is that when you think about that something is being created by people that are over 50 years old and you're creating it for a demographic of 13 to 38 it's like there's gotta be a disconnect so yeah it's like the fact that denali didn't nail betty davis like it's just it's not to matter to the 12-year-olds. There's 15 faggots at home going, I can do it.

I got a cigarette. Completely. It is funny. It is funny how it's all changed. What was it like? You did this thing with Joan Rivers where you were on her talk show in her bed. I remember watching that back in the day.

It was a while ago. It was a while ago it was interesting 2014 yeah yeah uh it was yeah because i was um i will you know living in new york you run into joan everywhere like if there was an opening of a broadway show whether it be lacage or anything that i was at well these two events that i was at uh was lacage and priscilla she was there both those opening nights and i was in drag it was one of those random things where they were like, hey, can you show up in drag? We had to leave Priscilla. No, we had to leave LaCage. No, Priscilla. We had to leave early because Bunny's hair, people couldn't sit behind. But we had gone and done these events and she was always very gracious and said hello. And this was before everybody had a phone with a camera. I don't

think that was the case then. But she was always very gracious and always very nice. And then I was running around doing all these different gigs. And I was booked in Ohio and had been to Akron. I'd been to Cleveland. And it was a random gig that they wanted me for a Sunday. And then I got a call from a guy that's a comedian by the name of Tony Tripoli. And Tony used to write for Joan Rivers on Fashion Police. And he said, hey, would you want to do this YouTube show? I said, what is Joan doing a YouTube show? He goes, well, nobody wanted to pick up the show, but she said, let's do it on YouTube

where I could do whatever the fuck I want. And I thought, that's insane that nobody wants to know. I'm like, yeah, of course I'm doing it, signing it up. So I called my manager at the time and I said, I'd like to do this. And he's like, well, I don't think it's the best idea because she's not paying and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, it's fucking Joan Rivers.

It's Joan, yeah. And he's like, well, she she's not gonna pay for your flight or your hotel i'm just like bitch please like so i flew to los angeles and we we went into melissa rivers house and i was the third of four that she was doing that day the guy before me was um that neve guy from catfish on mtv shulman okay her she was before me boring and then i came in and then after me was leanne rhymes um but all of this was happening in the house and you really do go down to the basement and we were supposed to do like i think what was it something crazy jamie was it like what 15 minutes 30 minutes or something and we ended up doing an hour of us just cackling and talking shit about everybody fucking loved you yeah she was like the best the reason

why i'm in a onesie is i i did my hair and stuff at the hotel and got there with the ones and i brought three different outfits and i'm like joan which one do you think she's like what you got on so that's why i wore it uh but she was truly the best and i have to say that you know someone of her caliber didn't have to be nice didn't have to be generous didn't have to set you up to make your jokes. And she was all of that. And I was just like, my little 11-year-old self was going, oh, keep going, keep going, keep going.

But she was the best, truly, truly. One of my favorite memories, and I'm so happy I did this, but it was freshman year of NYU. It was 2008, so she had to be 75. Okay. And for some reason, it was like my third or fourth week in the city and I wanted to do something. And I, I,

there was something on like the NYU website that was like alerting everyone to like things that were happening in the city. And it was like, Joan Rivers was doing standup. Oh yeah. So I took this girl on my floor, like down to, I don't even remember the venue.

Was it cutting room? Or was it Laurie Beechman? It might've been the cutting room. Yeah. But it was like, when I tell you it was like, she would do Cutting Room? Or was it Laurie Beechman? It might have been the Cutting Room. Yeah. But it was like, when I tell you it was like. She would do two of them. It was like very bar. It was not a theater.

It was like, there was like a stage in the back of a bar. It might have been the Cutting Room. In fact, that rings true. So there might have been 20, 25 people there. But she was there. And I remember she got up and she was like doing new material yeah she was like 75 yeah she had all this new material and i remember like i was just i couldn't believe that more people weren't there yeah to soak in like you know we're gonna the word is overused

but not for her true legend completely true icon. And she was there killing it. And I'm telling you, doing jokes that were not for the faint of heart. Like hard, rough and tumble 9-11 jokes. Right. Like really going for it. And I was like, this is pure, unfiltered Joan. Yes.

And it's one of the things I will always remember. And it's brilliant that, you know, at that age to even go try out material. She doesn't have to. Oh, forget it. But that was her gig. And you know, the night, to even go try out material. She doesn't have to. Oh, forget it. But that was her gig. And you know, the night,

the day that she died, well, not the day that she died, but the day she went into the hospital that next morning, she worked at the Laurie Beachman Theater the night before doing a show, trying out new material.

And then she had this scope that she was supposed to do the next day at a clinic. And that's when everything went downhill. And it's just, I was in Australia when it happened. And it was so weird. Cause I was like, are you, no, like this. went downhill and it's just i was in australia when it happened and it was um so weird because i was like are you no like this no like it's not done no and it was just fascinating that the turn of events that happened after that were pretty wild

but to know that she was in that place the night before doing jokes it just that's the way to go i guess right you know yeah god i mean i gotta watch that documentary again oh brilliant it's amazing piece of work yeah piece of work i mean i haven't seen it since i think i watched again after she passed away like right after because i was like i gotta like honor this somehow but like but to have that like work ethic i think i don't know that even people like our generation like but between me and matt like i don't do you know anybody who like works like that i mean literally there's people that are like, oh, the pandemic is hard on me emotionally, and I can't see

myself going up on stage. It's like, Joan Rivers would have been up for, like, whatever, she would have had, like, the, like, mask on, whatever. She's like, I don't care what I have to do to get on stage. Like, you know, nothing was stopping her, it was clear. You know, that's what makes her a true stand-up, a true workhorse, a true, like,

consummate professional that she was she was never done she was never done and also like a lot of these a lot of the jokes like you know she knew they were bomber but like of course like she was like she was like she had jokes that were killing and jokes that were bombing yeah but she was having so much fun doing it i will say yeah it was weird because also after that time frame, you know, then they had that whole switch with the fashion police and stuff

and they had Kathy Griffin come in and blah, blah, blah. And so I knew some people that were writing on the show after Joan had left. And if anybody knew this, Joan had 11 writers for fashion police.

11. Now that's how you do it. 11 writers. And Kathy had decided that she didn't want any. And I'm like, honey, if Joan had 11, you need 46. That's all I'm saying.

You know, it's that kind of a thing where you're like, that made sense. Because how would this 75-year-old woman know anybody or know any reference to anything unless she had writers? And I mean, that's what was so great is that as giving as she was, she was also accepting. If it's funny, she would use it and she would get out there and try it. You know, and that's what you're supposed to do. That documentary really did kind of put into perspective like though it was her against the world yeah it really was and i mean like the disrespect she was shown by jay leno like i mean just like all of it just like it she the fact that she was still going i mean that was

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the point of the show where things get a little hot? This is the point of the show where, you know, things are said that can't be taken back we take big swings with our opinions and we we go for it just like joan yeah um this is our segment where we take one minute each to rail against something in culture while saying the words i don't think so honey so stupid okay matt and i will go first and then okay bianca will go. We'll choose a topic. Matt, do you have one? I, you know, I was going to do, I don't think so, honey, Tom Cruise,

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I Don't Think So, Honey, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics. Let them get their nut. You know what? They've both been fucking through it. Let them get their nut with each other if that's what they want to do. If Jennifer Lopez, after all of this, after missing out on the Oscar nomination for Hustlers,

after these flop marriages, after this flop boyfriend, A-Rod, who I'm sorry is a flop, let her get her fucking nut. Let her return to the guy who gave her her best nut because guess what if that's ben affleck that's fine and guess what look am i like a bad ass like stan i am not but i don't think so honey anyone telling me he can't put it down because i bet when he gets to it in the bedroom he is a one-track mind especially when he has some of those cold brews you see him

carrying from the fucking dunkin donuts so you know the guy is loaded up. I don't think so, honey. Anyone being like, oh, why is she going back to him? Bitch, you're not in the bed with them. Let her get her fucking nut. Jenny from the block, more like Jenny on this cock. Ben Affleck cock. I don't think so,

honey. Everything else. And that's one minute. Wait, I'm sitting here trying to think of who the fuck i'm gonna talk about i was fascinated with your storytelling that i agree let me tell you i'm just saying like it like people are like they were photographed looking sad together in a fucking truck in montana i'm like they're sad because you're following them they're on their way to get their nuts they're not smiling yet i agree I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bowen is shaking his finger. What? Oh, no. You agree. I'm in agreement.

I think you let them figure it out, and sometimes these, like, these crazy, just phantoms of love's past come creeping back into your life. Those are the hottest ones. Honestly, all the time, whenever you get out of a relationship, like, it's one of whenever you get out of a relationship like

what it's one of the it's one of those like things you can't explain like you do think about your exes and you're like fuck i'm sort of horny for my ex even if one of the reasons why you broke up is because that wasn't really popping off you still afterward you miss what you had it's always it's it like well some i don't know my experience anyway it's just like there are guys that I've hooked up with in the past like years and years and years ago where I was just like that was only fine now I see them I'm horny really yes

I don't know what it is it's the patina sorry go ahead Bianca I look at anybody that I've met well most of them are dead but the ones that aren't I just kind of go dodge that fucking bullet. Like, thank God. Like, ooh, I was right.

You know, that kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but sometimes even that disgust, that like, ugh, I was right, like, ugh, I don't want to fuck this guy again. No! There's no one that you're like, oh, the one that got away.

No. No one? No. I mean, except my uncle. Except my uncle, but that was a different story. But I'm from the the south so it's accepted well that's how you learn yeah yeah that's how I learn that's how you learn no teeth kid

don't use your teeth kid yeah no some of my worst some of my worst kids some of my worst relationships are like lacks thereof like terrible like excuses for things I'm like despite myself I don't know what this is again need therapy badly you do need therapy

but sometimes I'm like despite myself I don't know what this is again need therapy badly you do need therapy but sometimes I'm just like for that horny for that bad situation oh god now wait I gotta think about what the fuck am I gonna talk about well we have Bowen Yangs in the interim I'm gonna pull one out my ass too it's fine don't worry about it okay hot he may say hot he's pulling it out his ass

alright so Bowen here's the deal. This, right out of your ass, on the airwaves, is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, my performance in Girls 5 ever. I watched myself back and I thought, ooh, I'm really gassing it.

What am I doing with my mouth? Why did I carry it? Why did I, like, where's my center of gravity in this scene? You're so stupid. And, like, why, like, I truly, SNL has cursed me cursed me i'm sorry to talk about to talk shop and talk about work and i hate like just being like this but like snl has truly cursed me i can't do anything but go big and i'm i'm only used to reading things off of a cue card as if that's how it works anywhere else the credits are non-transferable when you work there how am i gonna bring this

anywhere else i go you'll be fine i i've been fucked over by this this place of work i don't know how to behave on a normal set 15 seconds when it when like a fancy camera is pointed at me like a steady cam is pointed at me or something or a crane or whatever i i shut down i shut down when it's on my coverage i go go, wait, I forgot how to behave. I don't think so many of my performance on Girls 5 have ever I think I'm going to retire. You were great on it.

You were so good on it. Also, the show, because you kind of breezed past it in the beginning because now I know you're insecure about it. The show is so funny, you guys. The show is phenomenal. Bianca, you would love it. I have not watched it, but yes. Okay, I will put it on the list. It's called Girls 5 Ever. It's on Peacock.

It's about a group of women in their 40s who, there used to be a pop group. And they were in the 90s and like a rapper samples one of their one hit song. And so it gets famous. And so they try to like mount a comeback. And it's so funny it's like

tina fey and robert carlisle executive produced it meredith's gonna do as a creator our good dear friend matt whittaker and anna dresden and they wrote for it and i will say this the cast is unbelievable i love i love everyone renee elise goldsberry oh god yeah i have to i have to give it all the way up because it's like, it's like, it's like Jane Krakowski on 30 rock, but a pop star diva version of it. Brilliant.

But, but grounded and, and developed in a very good way with, with the character. And like, I gotta say just like being in the room and just watching her give certain line reads. I was like,

and then just everybody at village, sorry, again, talking shop and everyone at village just quietly laughing. I was like, this is like, she should have been doing this. For years. For years. She nailed it.

And there's nothing she can't do. You know, she started in soaps. Yeah. And I actually knew her because I was like the little faggot because I was like watching all my children with my mother. And so I used to watch the daytime Emmys. And one year on the daytime Emmys, they brought out like, here are the soap stars that you didn't know could sing. And one of them was Renee Elias Goldsberry and her voice was so beautiful.

I never forgot it. So then years, decades later, when she was in Hamilton being Angelica Schuyler, I was like, oh my God, I remember her from fucking one life to live. Yeah, we made costumes for her for Color Purple on Broadway the first time because it was a revival because i

worked at a broadway costume house so yeah that was uh that that's where i first was introduced to a beautiful girl too beautiful she is stunning and she is she looks amazing and there's she she i'm telling you she nails so much of this comedy i i could do the thing where i say some of the jokes but i won't ruin it for anyone that's listening like but because it's just these jokes are so good and you forget how much you miss jokes yeah i miss jokes in comedy shows like it's fine that people are like i like this sweet show i like the show that told a fun story i miss jokes i want jokes this show gives you jokes i agree um love it love it love it love it and also the other women are amazing too sarah borealis incredible busy phillips we love you busy you gotta come on paula pell you're a fucking icon i mean like it's just oh my god anyway i

gotta say enough i gotta watch and you were and you were great my sister was the whole guest star of episode six and you were stunning bitch oh no you were fab and you're a very talented young girl and you have a big future you have a big future thank you thank you for your consideration best supporting actor in a comedy series Bowen Yang boo it boo boo boo yes perfect now for your consideration okay and so now is the do we have something Bianca

yeah I think I can go with this I'll try yeah let's see let's see because I really haven't been mad at anything at the moment but yeah okay this is Bianca Del Rio's I don't think so honey her time starts now I don't think so honey this whole thing with the fucking Kardashians I'm not at anything at the moment, but yeah, okay. This is Bianca Del Rio's I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. This whole thing with the fucking Kardashians,

I'm done with them. First of all, 42 seasons of this useless fucking family that's making all this goddamn money. The bottom line is that this girl goes and fucks this guy in a sex tape, and all of a sudden, well, before that, she was actually doing closets for Paris Hilton. She makes a fucking sex tape, she becomes a star. Do you know how many fucking sex tapes I've made

and I'm doing this shitty fucking podcast with you? Do you understand how fucked up that is? Do you know how much dick I've had to take for this situation? Not to mention

she gets the whole family involved and now one's a supermodel one's a guru one's writing a book about losing weight when everything is fucking plastic. I don't understand this anymore. There's this fine line now

where the whole family looks like drag queens with lots of money. I don't understand it but yet they become the voice of reason. See, I don't think so, honey. The problem is now they're having children that are on top of this. The children will then benefit from this bullshit.

None of them really have any talent other than sucking dick. And they've shown that to us in the videos that exist. But I don't understand the insanity and the infatuation with it. Now, I don't particularly like them, but I don't spend my time going online complaining about them like everybody else does. But I also don't want to praise them either because they're useless fucking whores those are the people that you would see

in a clinic and go not my style that's what you would do and that's one minute I don't get it I don't think so honey you know what it's actually rule of culture

number 14 actually before that she was doing closets for Paris Hilton it's true that's a rule of culture it is true it's true though

and it's just it blows my mind that when people go like if i say they have no talent people they're rich i go well i'm not denying their success lots of people are successful and can be completely fucking useless look at raquel welch but in the end you're like this bitch that's a rupaul reference that's like way google raquel well you're safe with us yeah we're safe with us but it's that kind of a thing where everybody's like but she's pretty but sure i'm not saying she's an ugly bitch

and with her money, she should look that good. But in the end, I don't find that validity or worth or anything. Give me talent. I'd rather you be ugly and talented. They're not talented.

It's like Bethany Frankel. Effective, not talented. And how many shows is she going to get? Every fucking day. She's starting some new show. Is she the only white bitch that exists? Like, what is going she had a show on bravo i'm just i don't get it because there's so many talented people that could be in that position you know but 100 yeah it's unfortunate and we now are dealing with the fact that you know caitlin jenner is running for i will say

it again she's running for governor and you should have seen her on not that I watched this but I watched it on Young Turks like they showed some clips of Caitlyn Jenner on Hannity and it was so it was so it was so just the first thought dumb thing you think she's gonna say which is why do we need a high

speed rail we need to everyone get on the plane like I do you're a fucking idiot out of touch out of touch and it's fascinating that it's fascinating that this is even a topic and if you say anything someone's like well you can't say anything no you can you can absolutely i always say people like it doesn't affect me if you have a problem with me but if it's a political figure or someone that you're supposed to vote for if this is a person you know on a pedestal yeah it's gonna be a bit difficult and with someone like that you're supposed to vote for. If this is a person, you know, on a pedestal, yeah, it's going to be a bit difficult.

And with someone like that, you're running for governor for Christ's sake. What the fuck? I was talking to my friend today. I mean, not to bring back Madonna, but like he was bringing up how recently someone asked Miley Cyrus about what she thought about what Madonna said about, you know,

when she was in the tub being like, COVID's the great equalizer. Miley, do you agree? And then Miley's like, of course, whatever. Like, no, it's not because some people have it worth. But then like my friend was like, why does that, why do we care what like Miley, I mean, we love Miley and Madonna,

but it's like, but why are they supposed to like be the voice of reason? Yeah, exactly. Or just like, just give out some like, bit of like social commentary when it's like, they're not in power. No. It's like, but there are people who are, like,

vying for it. Right. Like, let's say Caitlyn Jenner, who, like, we should probably examine what they're saying in a way that is, like, that should be examined and not, like, taking cover behind some identity politic thing of, like,

well, she's trans. It's, like, that doesn't... No, that has nothing to do with it. No, that she's a rich white woman who is a narcissist and who only cares about herself and her money. That's just, that's the bottom line.

Well, you saw the whole joke, which was like, you know, that they said that the trans youth shouldn't be in the specific, you know, games. So they couldn't have other trans people in the game. But yet she performs in golf tournaments and she, it's like, well, that's the typical Republican double standard, but you're like, girl, girl women girl girl i don't think so honey no no no hot box of christmas shit that's what that is it's just wild and the fact that the fact that we're even discussing it just makes you go i know how after we had trump we're going down this path another reality start girl bye girl no yeah you, you say it can't get worse.

No, it can't. But this, I hope this runoff thing with Gavin Newsom does it. I mean, Matt, you brought it up. That it might actually create some opportunity for Caitlyn to maybe get in there. Well, because this is the, really, all it really

comes down to is what it always comes down to, is just that if it does, if this is the case, then people just need to go out there and vote. And if people go out there and vote, then the numbers won't lie. More people are there's just a lot more Democrats in California than there are Republicans. I guess I just hope that people that are critical of of Newsom, which, you know, there are many reasons to be many valid reasons to be critical of Gavin Newsom. You know, it could be much much worse and i hope that people that are critical of him just understand that um you know we could get ourselves into a very bad situation if we fuck this up so that's that's that's all i'm saying without a doubt without a doubt um but jesus christ i mean this episode bow

what a fantastic episode how who who are the lucky fuckers it's us it was like a Jerry Lewis telethon it was 3 hours and 27 minutes well that's another reference that's for older people now you're safe with us now you're safe with us we're French we love Jerry Lewis we

we're so flattered and honored to have you talk to us. Thank you for having me. And I'm excited because we'll be doing something soon for the White Heist, which is happening soon. Yeah. So I'm excited. They have me doing this like press thing in the Chelsea. They have me like shooting something.

They're calling me. I'm not doing any of that. That's what you got to do, Bo. Whenever you're complaining about being tired, you got to take a page from Bianca. Just don't answer the phone. Yeah. No, I didn't get that offer. I think I've just said two episodes. They've got some stuff worked out.

I'm not sure what it is. I think it's all virtual that I'm doing. But I'm excited to do it. That's for the best. I love Alan so much. Alan Cumming directed it. Adam Goldman written it. Oh, the best. You and I had some really... They had you and I act opposite each other because like we had to sort of create this

chemistry because we were because our characters are friends and I I've listened to some episodes really really fun oh good really fun I'm excited I haven't heard anything yet I'm excited yeah that's good it's gonna be good it's gonna be a good time well I'm also going to listen to the Bianca Del Rio podcast on Starburns new episodes Thursday Thursdays? Yes, every Thursday I have a new episode. And in the next two weeks, I've got some good announcements coming up. So stay tuned. That's my exclusive preview of preview preview. Yeah.

My pre-preview. It's my pre-come. My pre-come. Yeah, it's coming. And we love the taste of that. Don't you? All right. Well, thank you so, so much for coming here.

Thank you. And doing this. And Bowen, as always, we end with a song. Don't we, King? We do. Now, it's to say that we're And if I fall

We're shot to death The best Ru song. The best Ru song. Well, I say it's the best other than Supermodel, I would have to agree. Like all those other champion anthem fuckeries in between, no, I don't care about, but yeah. The best for a song. Well, I say it's the best other than Supermodel. I would have to agree. That, like, all those other champion anthem fuckeries in between, no, I don't care about,

but yeah. The best drag race era song. Yes. Well, of course, no, the best one is If I Dream. No, just kidding. All right, bye!

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