Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Hot Enough To Go For It" (w/ MUNA)

Episode Date: July 20, 2022

Heralded as "a moment for queer people everywhere", this is... the MUNA episode of Las Cultch! It's here! The best band in the world joins Matt & Bowen to talk about their latest and greatest album, knowing each other inside and out, being theater kids, "vibe checks", burned CD's, the Muppets and the celebrity cameos that they would pull, the Chromatica Ball setlist, MUNA's cover of "Sometimes" in the film Fire Island, telling Ramona Singer you're "a fan", hotels that lie, birds singing at night (?!) and the question "should a child have 8 parents?" You HAVE TO stream Muna's new album. They're the best!!!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, yeah. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. How are you, Bowen? Are you right well?

I'm right well, you know. You okay, hon? You okay, hon? I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay. Peek behind the curtain. Peek behind the curtain. I'm in London town. London town. Cheerio, as it were.

And you know, I'm here during the two hottest days ever recorded in the UK. Oh my God. And I think it's because Mick Celestium is here and they're raising the temp up to the triple digits. You feel they were so hot, they raised the temp. And you know, it's so weird to be... You know what's actually oppressive about being here as an American is that everyone laughs at you for not knowing Celsius. I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't deal with this at home.

I was a failed science major, you must understand. I don't know about that, Beau. I think you went all the way to the end. That's not true. That's just not true. There's so much culture to talk about. Jennifer Affleck. Should we talk about her?

There's a new doll on the block. Jennifer Affleck. J.F. I think it has a nice ring to it. I don't know if it does. I certainly don't want to go to a movie starring Jennifer Affleck. I'll tell you that. I want to go see Jennifer Lopez,

the original girl. How do you feel about Ben Lopez? I actually think that that is the only way this should have gone down. I love that they went to Vegas. I love that they got in line. And yes, there was a gay couple standing behind them in line. And she said that in the announcement and yes I did sign up for the newsletter I finally bit the bullet the newsletter for on the JLo you gotta go to on the JLo.com I can't say anything else I mean if you're not willing to do the work Bo

I'm sorry I usually am more like flop Bo anyway yeah so they stood in line in Vegas and they got married and there was a gay couple behind them and they were all sort of marching towards love. You know what I mean? And Jennifer Affleck is her name now. But I believe it should be Ben Lopez. I love that so much.

Chromatica Ball is starting. You know, the gays are sort of feeling mixed emotions about the Chromatica ball. I'm seeing some people... I actually have an I Don't Think So Honey later that is a little bit of a criticism. Okay. That a lot of people have been saying online about the Chromatica ball. So you're agreeing with a criticism. I'm agreeing with a

single criticism about the set list. That there's no art pop. Am I spoiling it? Why would you do that to me? Okay, let's... I don't understand why you would do that to me okay let's i don't understand why you would do that to me you're a sister we'll cut that we'll cut that no don't cut it not for my benefit you know what i still think you're gonna be big slay off big slay on the i don't think so honey even if people know it already you don't need the reveal you have never needed the reveal i've never needed it because I continue to surprise. That's tea.

That's tea. What else? What else? What other culture? What culture, hun? What culture? I don't think you and I have really, I think people have been upset because we haven't really talked about the funny girl of it all. Well, I saw it.

Well, did you see? Okay. So this morning, Beanie put out a little dispatch and that was- What did she say now? She said that she has tonsillitis. Yes, I heard about that. And that she is not allowed to be there until she is no longer contagious. And it's really sad.

I just think the whole thing is, this is what we can all agree on. The whole thing is tragic. It is a tragedy. It is a modern tragedy. Of great proportions. I saw it. I literally saw it with an understudy it was one of the performances that beanie missed um it seemed like there have been a lot i don't blame her i don't blame her look neither do i honestly at this point like i don't know if i would want to be in that atmosphere anymore either to be honest with you

i am a huge beanie fan i loved her as mon. I loved her in Booksmart. It's just not everyone is supposed to play every part and that's okay. That's okay. Beanie should play every part in what we do in the shadows, which she was also very good. She's fucking great in that. She's great in so much. I'm a Beanie fan. This is a Beanie stan account. Speaking of casting. My sister was cast recently in a Muna music video. I was cast. You were cast? You were plucked out of obscurity. Uh-huh.

And plopped into truly one of my favorite music videos of the year on a track from one of my... I think my favorite album of the year. It's certainly the album I've played the most. Period. Certainly.

Period. This is so, I'm so excited that our guests are here. Well, it's been a long time coming. Absolutely. I almost said period again. Period. But the thing is, it's really more of an ellipsis because there's so much more to come from this episode. And so much to talk about.

Because guess I wasn't a What I Want music video. And you know what I observed on that day, Beau joy joy enthusiasm a galvanization i observed a unit a unit a band as a unit okay coming together to say i observed meg stalter a lot of meg stalter what were they coming together together to say big slay they were coming together to say big slay well what they were coming together to say was there's nothing wrong with what i want yeah yeah which sort of is how it goes you know what i mean absolutely in the general vicinity yeah you know there was a point where they had to teach us the lyrics because we all had to sort of sing. Yeah. Then about two takes in,

we were told, hey guys, you know what? Don't sing along. That's producing. That's producing. That's executive decisions. That's leadership. That's pop stardom. That's goals ellipsis. That's goals ellipsis. Crazy to have a front row title of that already.

They haven't even spoken. i haven't even spoken well they haven't even spoken the self-titled new album moona is critically acclaimed let's say that and i think their best work which is saying fucking something yeah okay don't don't you forget don't you forget about you and saves the world. Never. Never forget. Save the world. That's what I said. You said save the world. I said saves the world. You didn't.

Okay, roll the tape back. Roll the tape. Literally roll the tape. Okay. Literally roll the tape back right now. I'm Doug. And now we're back. Announcement.

Doug has COVID. Doug has COVID. This is a violation, but I can't help myself. I have to say the truth. Doug has COVID this is a violation but I can't help myself I have to say the truth Doug has COVID we wish him the best he is in the chat right now you're being a little too ironic

about this in your tone it makes me really uncomfortable he seemed to be in a really good emotional space even though he wasn't in a great physical space he says he's foggy and then you called him a foggett which is unacceptable and you should you owe him an apology come on that was funny foggett oh my god it's brand new no one's ever done that before ellipsis no one's

ever said i'm feeling a little foggy lately and then you look at them and you go fog it. No one's ever done it. Okay. Well. Well, it's time to bring in our guests. They are truly fantastic. Fave band alert. Individually, they are known as Joe Maskin, Naomi McPherson, Katie Gabin.

Yes. But together, they are our guests. So please welcome Muna! Muna! Unmute now. yes but together they are our guests so please welcome MUNA! MUNA! Unmute now Unmute. Oh my god Boom. Boom. Wow How's it feeling? How's it feeling?

It feels totally unreal to be uh in this zoom right now because I listen to y'all all the time. Stop. So it's crazy to be uh actually on the episode because i'm just feeling like i'm ready to listen to the episode but i'm also speaking on it well guess what you're speaking on it i'm about to speak on it you're about to leo major how about you uh i was gonna say the same thing as Katie. This is an opportunity of a lifetime

for readers like us. Wow. Publicists, readers, gay people. This is a moment for queer people. It is. It really will be. I think so. I'm just excited to be back in the vicinity

of actually the scene stealer, I think, of the music video. You better stop. I'm not even i'm not even fucking you yet oh am i allowed to fuck yes you must permission to fuck i'm not kidding when we saw the first cut i my jaw was on the floor I was flabbergasted little did I know that every moment a camera was on you you were actually giving it two thousand percent I don't really give less I will say thank you for allowing me a platform to get some of our merch out there because the food is what candy is based on shirt that was the sort of easter egg for the readers and publicists many of whom i know crossover as as a moon of fandom do you guys have a name for your fans um i guess what they're in the

mooniverse or what do we call them what do we call them we when they call themselves something what do they call themselves kitty i don't remember the celibacy club? Oh yeah. I love that. That's amazing. Don't they also call themselves like depressed somethings? Like it's very clinical. I wonder if it's going to change this record cycle because it's so much more horny or if it's going to splinter

the group is going to splinter there will still be some in the celibacy club. Well see this is the thing I think the music has always been as I said I think you guys have all put it like somewhat about like queer melancholy but even with this album it's always the joy has always been there i don't think the joy was ever i don't think you're introducing the joy to people necessarily it's maybe packaged in a new way but i think it was always joyful it was i love that yeah there was joy underneath for sure and i think we just struggled to like integrate it into the into the oeuvre

it's not that oh but joe was saying that it's horny this this one's hornier and i didn't mean to imply that you guys you know this was deliberate like joy is like i mean we're super horny yeah can i say that talk about that yeah that reads i don't think i can talk about it i think katie is probably the person who can talk about being horny based on katie's affliction lately affliction i can't believe you're going right into this well i listened to the episode with meg like this morning because i'm like i need to get in the space and i was like well i'm going there'm like, I need to get in the space. And I was like, well,

I'm going there. The first thing I have to bring up is something crazy. You're good. Yeah. Just Katie deflection. Go on. Um, they've noticed recently that we've been in a few situations in public

where we've been having a conversation. Uh, I can think of one time we were out to brunch and somebody did walk by choose your words oh with a nice pair with a nice pair

a nice pair a nice summer fruit what I did do is I did stop mid sentence and I did exclaim what did i say titties i don't know i don't know if it was titties someone opened up a conversation which led us to there's like kind of a moona like language there's like you know a language that we kind of cycle through there's phrases that we like as most best friends have and we know a little something about that right and titties led us to

a conversation about um uh one person and uh you don't have to name the name i'm not i can name the phrase we stop here and the phrase mom i have to share the phrase oh i would love to hear the phrase yes the phrase was big natural jugs yeah big natural but also big naturals big natural and that led us to big naturals so we're thinking that we need to do a side project at some point called big natural yeah i think that's on the deluxe the deluxe edition of this album. Am I working on that right now? I don't really care about boobs necessarily. I don't know. I like boobies, but I don't necessarily have to date.

I also like people that cut their boobies off. Yeah, exactly. It's not necessarily one way or the other for me. It's an energy. It's an energy. It's an energy. It's energetic. Yeah. It's sort of like Dick.

Like I'm not actually a Dick fan. Like I'm not like, I don't wake up in the morning and think, Oh, you know what? I can't wait for today. Dick. Like I'm not like,

and I'm not like when I'm like, like for example, like when those photos of John Hamm and his big old Dick swinging around, I was like, that does nothing joe was there i was definitely there i actually i have a i was in a restaurant in new york and me and my friend who is straight a straight man we were just we're like well we have to look at this for at least 30 minutes yeah we did and i feel like but naturals are the tits are the same way it's like

if a pair comes on it comes along that's so undeniable you're like we have to stare for a little bit yeah sometimes yeah you're enjoying something like as an anthropologist yeah we're appreciators it's like i can appreciate when someone like but sometimes it's like in a sexual situation and here's the thing like like it's a little bit like if, like when someone's like, wow, that person had a really nice dick or like the dick was so big. Yum, yum,

yum. I'm like, I don't know. Like, I guess for me, it's just like, they're, they're not,

they're not a good looking thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really, it's funny because I don't really, these days it's like, I have sex with people that i have like that i'm close to you know it's like it's about the connection that you have with

somebody and what happens in between rather than like having sex with the bod you know like that i've done it before you went there so fast what i said you went there so fast i thought it was 10 a.m but i guess this is the era celibacy club back to celibacy it's always going to be celibacy club in some way you can't deny it well they are able to access the horniest thoughts and ideologies i feel because it's like when you see something from the outside you see it the clearest so it being as part of the celibacy club you can you know write the song like silk chiffon you can get into it in these ways because you're sitting on the sides observing the phenomenon of the horned upness that's being gay that's being gay can i say that is being gay. That is being gay. We were in the tube. Sorry.

The tube. And Celestium goes, you know what the sleeper hit is? No idea. And I go, oh, I've been no idea ground floor since day one. It's true. He has. He has mentioned that one. I was like, y'all, you need to listen. Everyone's like, oh, anything but me. Kind of girl. I go, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Amazing songs. Why is no one talking about no go yeah yeah yeah amazing songs why is no one talking about no idea i'm sorry why is no one talking what song do i always sing you always sing kind of girl or handle me kind of girl kind of girl who thinks that and then i go what you've done oh yeah shania it's shania it's giving shania it's giving shania it's a country song what you've done oh yeah shania it's shania it's giving shania it's giving shania it's good well it's giving honest to god country and also i think out of all the videos and even me being in one of them well anything but me is my favorite video but kind of girl that video needs all the respect because that video is oh and the the costumes and the styling you guys are sorry but giving trade

giving wow i gotta say it was one of the best days of my life i bet talk about that i would love a mustache you know i'm not we've talked about this and katie's like why don't you just do it but i'm like i don't know if i want all the changes that go along with me you want it as an accessory i want an accessory i want the five o'clock shadow and I want the mustache. I'm over here when I'm on TikTok. It's 11 p.m. I put the filter on and I say,

this is interesting. And that was an interesting, that was an interesting day. I think you felt the same, Naomi. Yeah, I liked it. And also I did, I had a theory about myself giving trade. So I'm- What's your theory? What's the theory? It's just that I think sometimes I liked it. And also, I did... I had a theory about myself giving trade. So, I'm...

What's your theory? What's the theory? It's just that I think sometimes I give trade. Of course. I talked to Taylor, who directed this video about it at one point. And he agreed. Can you go deeper? Me?

Yeah. You don't know what trade is? Well, I know what trade is. But when you're saying that, are you saying, what kind that's what i get confused certainly not rough trade you're sort of giving like no like like hero trade well first of all can we just say the camera hits all of you and it's giving us wild it's really giving star even on the zoom i gotta say even on these shitty macbook i'm sorry not shitty on these mac i'm sorry we love apple but these zoom cameras i go what's going on here stardom stardom katie's like katie

has a very art directed like situation it feels very like curated thank you he's a star but this is what i mean though it's definitely giving lead singer it's definitely giving like you know it's it's giving katie like for sure i mean especially now more than ever it's definitely giving a star down but like the whole band i'm just saying like the camera hits every single one of you and that's why i think it's smart that like for example and like anything but me you all are like singing the verse because like it is giving like everyone impacts on camera in this way and i also love can i just talk about the anything but me video for a second because yeah and i feel like this is an album you know sometimes bow when an album comes along and just feels like it's really speaking to you like 100 for me like and i think bo you'll you'll identify it's

like that that feeling of like really being emotionally trapped in a in a particular spot in a relationship or with another person and like finally you have to declare like look it's you i wish you all the best it just has to be away from me. Like, we can even have a friendship. We can check in, but we cannot, I cannot continue to put myself in this position. Like, and I actually went through that, like, pretty immediately upon, like, getting familiar with the album

and with the song. And the video is so great is because like not only you're all trapped you're all trapped and you're literally all like gonna have to like escape a life-threatening situation and i love that imagery and i really loved the specific thing like you tied to the radiator like you hanging from the from the um from the rafters like being driven in the car blindfolded the thing with the plastic sheet there was just so many and i think it's so important in music videos to give that many quote-unquote looks or that many different aesthetics because it's always something to watch and then the choreo you guys are doing is so fun and like such a throwback but like

i just i can't say enough about that music video it's so sweet i would say this is i mean it's just like the first time if we're i mean it's just like the first time if we're being actually real it's like the first time this whole record cycle because of working with ally that we've actually been able to really communicate the visual you know representation of the album to like its fullest degree yeah and it's just been it's been so fucking helpful i never thought we could make videos like this i I love that you picked up on that, working with that theme of like feeling trapped in a situation emotionally. And I remember the conversation we had with Allie when we were figuring out

what the treatment for the video was going to be. Cause it was kind of down to the wire and she came back to us. Like I sent her, I had written a couple of paragraphs on like every song and kind of what i was thinking about when i wrote it and um so there was like a line at the end of it um that inspired her and she was like that's how she came up with this idea of like i love the the extra layer on top of it of like we are trapped and then at the end of the video we realize like oh actually there's nobody holding us here like oh yeah us here and i just thought that was so

brilliant of like i mean there have been so many times when i've stayed in situations that weren't working for me but nobody else was forcing me or manipulating me like Like I am free to go. It's just, do I allow myself to go? And so I thought that was, you know, so brilliant. And we, that whole crew, I mean,

like we, I feel like we owe so much to Allie. Thank you. And Taylor James for, for their work on this album cycle. Wonderful director. So great kind of girl, Allie directed anything but me.

And so they co-directed what I want. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Taylor was doing choreography for anything, but me as well. And so they co-directed what I want. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Taylor was doing choreography for anything but me as well. And it was like, it, we really do. I feel like we've needed people to push us and encourage us to kind of lean into those pop moments of like,

no, you can do choreo as a band. And Allie has pushed us of like like you should be serving to camera like you really are like hot enough to just go for it you know like we've had those people push us hot enough to go for it hot enough to go for a title of that not to draw a parallel though because but it's like no one's trapping you from doing choreo from serving to camera like no one's like no one's trapping you from doing choreo, from serving to camera. So many of our own limits are self-imposed in that way. 100%. Yeah. And I just love that the last image, I think, I believe of anything but me, is you guys all sort of running out on a sunset in this open, clear,

or it's like an outdoor space where it's like oh it's it's twilight there's it's this transitional period in the day but maybe in this maybe in this person's emotional life like you know um it's just brilliant brilliant and oh i love a director who can choreograph it's giving debbie allen it's giving bob fossy taylor's great and he's such a nice guy. Yeah, we love King. Daddy. Allie and Taylor grew up together in Canada and they both were dancers. So I think maybe that's where the love for the choreo

comes from. They dance together. They do a lot of like, if requested, they do a lot of contact improv, which is fun to watch. I can't do it. If requested. If requested. I'm making

requests. I'll make a request and film it and then we can send it around. Contact improv is a euphemism for sex, I believe. That's what dancing is. That's what being a dancer or a theater kid is. It's actually to have

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We're on your side to help you with your concerns talk about ours and every once in a while bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us while we may be unlicensed to advise we're gonna do it anyway listen to call it what it is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts were y'all theater kids like what was like i would love to hear like what y'all were like when you were young and how that connects or does not to each other we all have done theater at one point or another and i think i mean uh i i won't i don't want to steal Katie's thunder about the culture that made her say that culture was for her but

yeah we all we were all like did you guys do straight theater straight ahead theater and musical theater you did both everybody did both right Matt did not until college I didn't I never did anything until college I think the three

of us did did like i know me and joe both did some some some freaky shakespeare shit in high school we both did the we did the the like gender swap plays which makes a lot of sense look yuck they were like yeah you can do that. And then we did musicals, too. Oh, I love it. Okay, but then where did Naomi and Joe grow up? Where did you guys grow up? I'm from San Diego, so Southern California. And yeah, Joe's from the LA area.

Yeah, I went to high school in Pasadena. Where's Katie from? Katie, where are you from? I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. I'm from the burbs. Which burbs? Like Winnetka and Glencoe. My dad lived in Glencoe. Glencoe?

Did you go to New Trier? I did. Wow. Do you know New Trier kids? Huh? Do you know New Trier kids? I know New Trier kids. Beck Bennett is a famous New Trier kid. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. New Trier kids are, they have have they fuck yeah it was a crazy uh growing up experience it's such a uh insane environment for so many what is it for people that don't know um the

north shore is a cluster of uh i would say high wealth communities and newtrier is an extremely well-funded public school with a super competitive uh environment that some people flourish in and some people find super toxic i didn't want to put that out there but this is what i've heard as well from people who've gone yeah yeah i mean i don't think I've ever worked as hard as I did in high school. So that's so crazy. Crazy. I couldn't have worked less hard in high school. I barely went.

I identify with that, though. Like, sometimes I do think about, like, how I don't think I ever worked as hard in high school just trying to. Because do you ever think about how, like, in high school, you really have to do all this stupid shit like you really have to do math you really have to do science you really have to do like all this stuff that you couldn't be less interested like i had to take tech like me in tech like women in tech like me sort of just like okay like sure like maglev okay like like what whatever you know magnet levitation wow look at me apparently we weren't there just like and and therefore because you have to i don't know like i i i don't know how you got how y'all feel but just it's like when you're in high school and it's

that mentality of like well you got to get into a good college or you gotta get into a good you have to get into a good situation it's like your gpa has to be high you have to take these ap classes you have to do ib whatever etc and so you end up working your fucking ass off and because it's stuff that you're not interested in it feels harder you know what i mean like i remember like being an ap euro and like franz ferdinand my ass off and being like where is this gonna go in my life like should i be like on the stage cutting my teeth but you know um did you start did you feel like you started learning after like your formal education yes yes wow i would i would almost be and maybe maybe y'all think the same but i would be more useful and college would be more useful to me now that i actually know what

my interests are yes um yes like and because back then it was just like oh i guess yeah if i have to take a history course like i guess it'll be world war ii and then i'm sitting there like could not being able to care less you know sure i mean i would be very into that class i would have to have to believe yeah i think i i think like i think i sort of i miss like i miss an environment a learning environment i miss a structured learning environment now because i feel like i'm not capable of holding myself accountable in while living this life um i get it i don't think i can hold myself accountable to actually retain information and to learn um i think it is impossible to like penetrate the the the the learning uh area of my lobe so i do long for school now and i did find it to be a prison then but i also liked it too kind of it was it was a confusing time yeah

what was the academic vibe of usc while you guys were there did you guys care for school at all I hated you crazy like coming to an environment where like I had to do so much homework every night um and was accountable to it and then going to SC and realizing like we had to take general education classes and just being in a lecture hall and realizing like truly nobody read anything. Yeah. No one is caring. No one is caring and it doesn't matter. You're like, this is really bizarre. Like, yeah,

it just made me think the educational system was a bit broken. Like, because it's such again it's an expensive school oh it's like people are paying for the experience of just going to college maybe more than learning sure the shit on you has the inverse experience i was also gonna say i feel like in college that situation you know sort of being the standard allowed for people like katie and myself to be teachers little stars yeah that's how we were to be like you i feel like you would be looking around no one would have read and you'd be looking around like this you disgust me like how dare you not take this teacher's time seriously because it would be like classes about i don't know like

actually important stuff about you know like race in america and everyone's like on their phones fucking off so yeah i feel like we were we were sort of looking around with a lot of judgment at all the other students at the school like how dare you guys sort of squander your education at this point um i was there on scholarship so i thought i was just like happy to to be able to go to school and not be too scared about my future. But I also found it to be easy. USC was so easy. Yeah.

I think it was pretty easy. The bar was the floor. Yeah, the bar was the floor. The bar was an athletic floor, if you know what I mean. Yeah. I mean, I went to NYU and I thought it was easier than high school. But I was in Tisch, and so it was like an arts-. Like, but I was in, I was in Tisch. And so it was like an,

like an arts focused thing. And so maybe it's because I actually was enjoying it more. I actually was interested in learning how to write sitcoms. I was interested in like, you know, creating work for myself and et cetera. But I would imagine Bowen's college experience was more difficult than high school. I saw like the,

I saw both sides of it where it was people like half my classes were people didn't give a shit and didn't do the reading and then the other half of my classes were people really gave a shit and it was like these pre-med kids and these kids were like oh no i'm going to oh no no i'm going to this school you know like and and it just reminded me of that horrible period in high school that I thought I had left behind. But if you go into medicine or academia or science, that mentality just follows you your entire life or your entire career. And that is really sad to me. I didn't know that you were pre-med.

That's so fascinating. It's weird but i i feel like i feel like it got my like competitiveness like out of my system because i don't think i'm that competitive now and i have not been for a long time do you guys do you guys identify collectively or individually as like competitive people only only when we're playing sports which i don't allow myself to do very often because i get like, I turn into a monster. I try to keep it, I try to keep it on the couch. Wow. Great. I will say, first of all, I want to say that, um, apart from our like general ed classes at USC, Joe and I were in a

music program there and it was like, um, uh, a different environment where like some people were super plugged in um but i think even in that environment like in terms of being competitive i think uh that program taught me a lot about um if you're in the field that we are in um like singularity is one of the most important things that you can bring to the table so it's like do you have something to say that has to do with you and your story and it's kind of irrelevant to competition um but i but i would also say that being in an environment where I was around other artists who were doing stuff that I thought was interesting was helpful. It was motivating.

And I think now we're, we're very lucky to have a community of people around us who are musicians or comedians or writers who are, you know, like living their dreams and doing cool shit because it, it motivates you to do the same. Yeah. Yeah, totally. dreams and doing cool shit because it it motivates you to do the same yeah yeah totally and you can just i was just gonna say you can just be stoked for people's wins like yeah it's so nice to be

like surrounded by people who when they succeed you just like you're so happy for them i i don't know i feel like yeah we've sort of left the the competitive stuff in in the dust and we just we just want people to do well and be happy and you know we used to have this thing called uh kuyashi yeah it's a it's a word that means um like being motivated by anger or like motivated that by the desire to prove somebody wrong and i think that there is a part of your experience as queer people or people of marginalized genders where we feel like we can be underestimated at times and so i think we also have definitely been motivated by like uh i'm gonna show you type of situation maybe that's not competition though but i think that's just like vengeance yes vengeance we've just been

very lucky yeah that's a really interesting way to put it like singularity makes you irrelevant to competition you know what i mean that is if you really just focus on who you are and focus on what it is you're trying to say like it will become specific enough where you're not actually going to compete with anyone else and then you can release that thing of you know looking over your shoulder because that i think is the big trap like when you're developing is you and especially for queer people i mean let's just be real yeah like you there just doesn't seem like there's a spot for everyone and they also kind of tell you that like and because they they they meaning capital t like the industry i think like they don't they they're not like creative enough to make all these spaces

initially anyway so it is on you and it is on us to like hone in on ourselves so that like they can't help but make a space for us you know what i mean and so that i think is it feels like there was like an awakening like i don't know whether it was like 10 years ago or whatever that's like allowed what's happening now to be true which is that there there is so much for everyone and you know obviously like there's there's so many platforms and like everything is so much bigger now but i also think it does have to do with like a collective waking up and this realization that like you lean into what's special about you not trying to imitate or mimic what they are doing or what she's doing or he's doing because it's just never gonna seem right on you you know what i mean and then then even if you are successful at duplicating that it it won't last. Yeah,

totally. And, and just like, just not putting other people's expectations of what you should be or what you can do onto yourself or trying to not do that. Cause I think that can like, it's an easy trap to, to fall into.

Um, and it's very difficult to, to shed it. I think just, you know, it, it, it's hard out here. We try to give ourselves a lot of grace. And I think we have been, like, very patient in an industry that is not very patient. But we've had patience for ourselves and, like, for what we're trying to get at.

And allowing ourselves to, like, sort of grow publicly i think is maybe i don't know a little bit counterintuitive for the music industry at large i think like most people kind of expect you to like when you hit the scene to be fully formed like at this point because artist development just doesn't exist so yeah i think we've we've had to you know we've had to just like force ourselves to be patient with ourselves and continuing to do so i think just until that's incredible forever yeah well that's that's i mean i feel like that's the thing to unlock and that's like um the hack maybe but also it's interesting you say that because i was gonna say maybe we're in this place now where we're we're not competitive

with each other as queer people or queer like people who make things but it's that we are still in opposition to like the industry or people who like or the the middle management of the industry where people the suits where people make decisions on your behalf where they you know like we don't have to talk about RCA or anything, but it's like, it feels like that was this thing where you, you guys had to sort of survive outside of this system that like abandoned you. And then, and then like,

you know, that's, that's like the struggle now, I think for a lot of people, it's always been the struggle, but I think now it's sort of, at least I don't feel that kind of competitive catty spirit among other queer comedians at least but it is the only thing that like makes us nervous or gives us anxiety is that

there is this concept of like oh gosh the industry is not creative of creative enough to make space for all of us you know does that make sense i would just say that rca like we were so lucky with who we did work with i think it's just like i think this applies to like so much art that is maybe like left of center that's just like they just didn't know what to do with it more than anything they just didn't know how to work with us and i i also just don't think like we were really ready to be worked with to a certain like really i i don't think we were ready you know to some extent i i do agree that it's like every step that we have taken has led us to this point and we've really had the opportunity to grow as like musicians as people to like handle like i even

think about when we did the video and like right after that we flew to new york to do tv it's like that was some of the most stressful shit that we have ever had to deal with and like we did it and it went fine but you talked to muna like around about you and like if that should happen uh we would have all been like it would just would have been the worst we've we've really gotten the opportunity to you know become who we are at this point but i hope that's not i hope the work the work reflects well on you guys now even because i was listening to the old to the old stuff and i was like the old quote unquote lol it's like yeah not that old but i was like oh but this this still hits like it's still

like part of that same sonic universe that is luna and i that's interesting that you say that though that you weren't that you didn't feel ready to be handled. I think there's also an element of, like, sorry to interrupt you, Joan. No, no, no. I'll let you continue. But I think there was also an element of, like, despite the people that we worked with being lovely and believing in the music and us so much, like, there is a structural hierarchy in a building like that where if it's not working on its own it's not working you know what i mean like this this perspective of like if it's not selling itself then we don't know what to do with it like that's frustrating and that kind of puts you in a weird position where you end up like gaslighting yourself about the quality of the art that you're

making and it is it it can be a head fuck so i think there was a there i think we had like a protectiveness about the way that we i don't know the way the way that we behaved and presented ourselves i think like drew attention to the fact that like we did not feel uh safe outside of the bounds of like the three of us at a certain point like i think we feel very protective of each other and of the art and like we don't we don't want to compromise that and i think we were maybe a bit i struggle with this just generally as a person but i think we did have like a hyper vigilance of like you know maybe sort of an outsized idea of like what

threats were there and what was a threat and like you know i don't know if that makes sense that's very like rambly makes complete sense yeah i think that's just the thing about like when your art is intimate and also like yes you just don't want someone to take the we just didn't want to be misunderstood and also just like you hear so many, like we were so lucky that we did have each other. Like we were never really put into a situation where we did feel super unsafe, but you can just so easily see how that as like part of this industry is such a standard and thank god we've always had each other and like i don't think i would want to do this if i was not like with them it's just it's just fucking hard like it's so hard to i don't know the people who do it on their own i'm like god be with you yeah it's harder to have boundaries when you don't have other people being like is this weird or like yeah yeah yeah i know when to check in with i mean like yeah i don't know if you being like, is this weird? Or like, yeah, no one to check in with. I mean, like,

I don't know if you guys read Mariah Carey's book, but that was insane. Like, like the amount, like she basically was like in servitude for, for, for, for like a decade to her husband who ran her label.

I mean, it, it was like, she was basically trapped in her home. Like, um, yeah. I mean, like it's kind of a horror story to read the book like when you realize just and then when she ends the decade the first

decade of her career like in complete exhaustion and as like a joke with the whole glitter thing it's like you know that's just a really interesting but I had never thought about how even just having one or two other people in the room with you in the same position can be a huge life raft because these solo artists i mean who from the early 90s is like okay now you know what i mean like it's crazy or even even more recently like it seems like like you really need those people that are there on your side to tell you like hey like i am here for you and you know it's it's it or it can really become like a dark situation i didn't read the mariah carey book but i read um jessica simpson's book oh you did yeah or i listened to it on audible yeah yeah yeah

shout out and podcasts are reading we've all been saying this podcast is reading but it was really wild to hear about what she had to go through like physically and emotionally um and the way she was talked to also by her label and she also kind of framed like her relationship with nick lachey part of what drew her to him was that he was the first person that told her that she could have some type of boundary um in her professional life and like that he kind of guided her of like this is you know what you should be like paid for something like this and um but but there's an there's another piece to that as well because this was a older man that she like dating and then like you know the the was in a band yeah who was in a band and it's like the feeling of what that might do to somebody um that you can't

like figure that out on your own and you rely on this older guy to kind of guide you and i've always felt really really grateful with naomi and joe like we all have our own um like superpowers but i feel like joe and naomi are really good um at vibe checks like they just know with people like they have good gut instincts i think perhaps i had uh gut instincts at some point in my life the trauma takes it away i've had to do a lot of things to like try and recover that or like i have kind of like latent instincts and um or i gaslight myself bones raising their hand but no no no no no keep doing i. I'm not interrupting you. Sorry.

But it's like, it's really, it's been so huge for me because I trust them. And it's also like, we are these equals with these parts of our identities that are shared. So it's like, I don't know it just feels more empowering to like that you're navigating this with a group of friends um and yeah they've helped me a lot with with that i wonder if part of and i want to hear what you're going to say but i wonder just like to pause it to just drop a little little question into what you're saying kitty i wonder if that's because

me and joe have like mask privilege like and you as a more femme person like didn't feel like you had access to to that in the same way like the same time i find that people treat me differently than they treat you or like someone more feminine like do you know what i'm saying wild i would just also say that you and i are introverts and katie is an extrovert and so like we i have such different like i that's why i relate to pointing to naomi in the screen naomi but that's why it's like naomi and i will sometimes be at a party you're better than than we've been i am still like well uh them and i will like we'll be like standing next to each other being like aha like we can talk to people and like katie's like out and about like able to connect with anyone and i think it's just harder for us to connect

with people which maybe makes it a little bit of a vibe check. Also seeing it from the outside. I mean, like we talked about earlier, it's like when, when you are, when you are literally like observing something, you see it very clearly sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think there's that, the, that little force diagram between the three of you is I think perfect where if, if, if Naomi and Joe are introverted, then they can be the ones that both of them can be the ones to pull Katie and be like, hey, what's the deal?

Or that they have something instinctually there because I feel the exact same way. Not to like loop it back to me and Matt, but I feel this way about Matt. And I also identify with Katie in that I feel like trauma has taken away my instincts 90% of the time and I do need someone to be like Matt almost every other day is like hey what's going on I think something is amiss here or this is good you know like I think either way

Matt has been the person to like key in well the trauma is the learned behavior yeah I think so and like yeah like all of us go back to college with each other, you know, or among our friends. It's also about knowing each other, period. True. I mean, like it's literally, sometimes it's less about this person is this and I see it clearly and more about I understand how my friend is feeling.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like if Bowen is ever dealing with someone, I mean, I literally know how Bowen feels about someone, but, but, and like, they might not know, but I know, you know what I mean?

Like, it's like, it's like, like we deal with certain people and I just know Bowen is either not comfortable or not about the vibe or et cetera. And like, I feel like I, it doesn't even need to be said really.

It's just like, and so now i know in the next interaction it's like oh this is someone probably that we're not going to hang out with like for more than five minutes you know what i mean or like this is not going to be someone we involve in the next thing or whatever just because you pick up on when you marinate in someone else's energy for as long as we all have. I mean, you also pick that up. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.

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Oh yeah, let's go. What are we giving? Bring it back. Um, we, we, we all,

so I'll start by saying we don't know much, but we know our big three. We know enough. We don't know what everything means, but we know enough about each other's to, to, that it all kind of makes sense okay um katie and i are both capricorns okay joe is a pisces love uh katie is rising gemini pisces moon songwriter makes sense Joe is Taurus rising which is what I am as well

and Joe you have a Virgo moon which makes sense and I have a I'm Taurus rising Gemini moon which is fucked but Gemini moon here and everyone's like everyone's like red flag I go no but it is hard it's hard because

you're but it's not that you're in conflict with yourself or that you have like multiple personalities or whatever the fuck it means that you can intake something and see the balance for what it is you can see one perspective you can see another that's all it is that's that's what i'm convinced it is yeah i yeah i totally agree with that i want to i i want to talk to you more about that because maybe you know a little bit more than i do but well we were not astrology people at the beginning of this podcast and then it just started to make so much more sense like for example bone is a scorpio i'm a pisces oh my god i'm a pisces rising pisces cancer moon so i'm like a wet wet wet soaking wet yeah and. Soaking wet.

Yeah. Soaking wet. And I'm also an extrovert, which makes me like really vulnerable. Yeah. But I think that, you know, what's interesting, like I have very close relationships with Capricorns. In fact, my ex-boyfriend, Henry, who's my musical director of my show, Katie, that you came to, he's a Capricorn. And I feel that it's a good creative relationship i loved that so much because i love seeing exes perform on stage together okay correct me if i'm wrong y'all all dated each other what the hell yeah i'm not quite currently dating we wish but

mask for mask love oh it would be so cute before we get into culture that made me say culture was for me etc what's the what is the actual like relationship history here what's the tea the truth is that me and katie dated katie introduced me to joe we started the band katie and i being the capricorns that we are let the work overtake our lives and it became everything to us like the band and then we dated for like three years and we and then we broke up right after we got signed yeah lesbian just think about it but it's equal to like 500 almost. It's all or nothing. Yeah. Love that.

But yeah, and then we figured it out. We went to therapy together. We were mad at each other for a while and then we went to therapy and then we bonded over not liking our therapist and thinking that she was dumb. No kidding. Whoa! That happened when the three of us went to therapy too.

There's band therapy, right? Wait, the three of you went all together. We did. Well, they went to therapy, the two of them, because I was like, I can't do this unless you go to therapy too there's band therapy right wait the three of you went all together they went to therapy the two of them because i was like i can't do this unless you go to therapy it was it was a bad little while wow later on the three of us went to band therapy and we also hated our therapist yeah and that's why you all could check in with each other about that too that hierarchy yeah it doesn't read well it's pretty toxic to like consistently just discard your therapist opinions but we all have our own therapists

that we like i think when we show up as a group i think we're being very well behaved today but i think sometimes we can we can come on really strong and real cuckoo and like a lot of intense energy it's probably hard for a therapist to get a word in edgewise one and to like read the vibe i think it's they also write their own narrative when it's like i think as opposed to like a couple it's like it's just like too many to be honest it's like three people shouldn't be going to therapy together like how could you how could you die like anti-polyamory actually well oh my god breaking news i want to get to i want to get to but the last thing i want to say i have one more thing to say okay which is that it the thing that stuck out to me in one of your profiles i think it was the new york times one um, they were clocking how the three of you,

I think it was after Jimmy Fallon or something, or after some TV appearance, like all three of you, like checked in with each other in such a caring way that the driver had to stop and be like, I'm sorry. And all my years of driving, I've never,

I've never seen people be so kind to each other. That was the best night of our lives. That, that car ride. We're like, we're just so we're the thing that was the best night of our lives that that car ride we're like we're just so we're the thing that is so unique about our experience is like we're just so fucking close and also the fact that we're a band it's like no one is going through this experience but the three of us like our experiences are so tied to each other and i think it's just created like hyper intimacy sorry my dog she's going that's okay but it's just pretty hyper intimacy to the point where

it's like when we're on tour like when we're not in a bus like the three of us share a room like we're yeah we're just so close and i think i don't know they're the only people it's like if i'm gonna if someone's telling me a secret it's like who am if I'm going to, if someone's telling me a secret, it's like, who am I telling that secret to? Someone's telling me that secret. They know that I'm spilling the tea. Yeah. Only them. And it's just like,

I don't know. Too connected. Too connected. But that's okay. Because I think the theme in the musicians we've had on the show on the podcast has been, it's so hard to navigate this. And I didn't realize that the solitude of it all was like a huge

component of it and that like the three of you being so close i think is just so so powerful anyway that's all i wanted to say sometimes like some of the solo artists that we found like we had maren morrison and you get the sense that she's like obviously extremely close with her husband but that like they rely on each other in so many more ways than maybe a regular couple would because they're both in this industry and they often tour together and like you know it's like to have that so it almost is like being part of a duo act do you know what i mean because at least that person is like always right there and that is so important yeah totally when you do of when you do it like an art form that's really vulnerable you know what

i mean it's not like you're out there it's not like you're i'm not to say that acting is not vulnerable but it's not like it's not like you're you know on a soap opera together and like are checking in about how you felt about how the scene went you know what i mean it's like this is your real life life experiences this is you know i think there is something super like emotionally revealing about like even like what chord progressions you choose like like the way you sing a song like there's just like it's like letting people in in such a way and so i think that that all really reads and tracks i do want to get to the culture that made y'all say culture was for you let's start

with naomi naomi what was the culture that made you say culture was for you i wasn't ready to go first but i this is this is kind of have to to be honest i know okay i've tried not to overthink it too much i think we're all like diagnosed overthinkers so i've tried not to overthink it and it's not going well a core i know it's going poorly um i i think the the culture that made me say culture was for me was the the culture of burned cds oh for sure yeah totally media player yeah so i didn't i didn't have like i grew up poor didn't have a computer until i was in my like early teens uh didn't understand really how you got music other than like going to the cd store and going to tower records and buying a cd but i had friends in like the fourth and fifth

grade at my school who started burning me cds I didn't know anything about pop music. Cause I just didn't, I wasn't, I didn't have cable TV. I didn't have a computer and my parents or my mom was like not interested in pop music at all. It was like a jazz heads. So I knew like funk and jazz and that pretty much that's it. And like movie soundtracks. Um, and yeah, I like, I started to get into like pop music and like contemporary pop music of the time around that time and it like it opened my whole world up getting burned cds for my friends so shout out to all my friends if you could if you could if you could think of a uh like a platonic ideal of like a burned cd from that time what's on if you could say like five songs well i have like the i definitely in that i have the headphones that go back behind your ears oh my god you you

can tell me that you weren't looking you can tell me anything yeah um i i think it would have been um it would have been like some early destiny's child stuff depending on the the cd it might have been some of the the first uh beyonce solo album i fucking love that album it changed my life um it would have been that it would have been like in vogue brandy i loved r&b stuff i was i was a big late 90s early 2000s r&b person too yeah i loved uh like alia mariah like all that stuff i was really into and i was also really into like grunge and like some heavier stuff and i also like i liked i liked green day i liked like the really green day stuff and i liked yeah yeah i got into like nirvana and stuff like anyone who's like 11 and

has a lot of feelings i got but i got into emo shit too um oh yeah so kind of all over the place for some reason i thought you just said nirvana i was really into nirvana the masculine nirvana yeah yeah yeah to butch it up a little bit to feel good about it yeah so that's a balanced diet that's a really it was pretty balanced yeah it was pretty it was pretty balanced hmm yeah okay i mean so i went to jennifer lewis's little star hollywood walk of fame thing the other day and i sat next to brandy oh my god and i'm telling you i was shaking i literally i was i was in between vanessa bayer and brandy and i turned to vanessa and i was like it it's it's brandy like i can't believe it she was like do you want me to like say hello to her and we can have a conversation i was like no i don't think i can i i was like you don't understand like brandy is like i mean that's like your shit i think it's so cute that

you grew up listening to r&b girls oh yeah no those were like that was like i mean people know like i feel like most like white boys my age like know like brandy and monica but they don't know monica you know what i mean you know what i mean like it's it's like but i know i really loved and i loved the full moon album like never say never like all that stuff like i still think have you ever is one of the most underrated have you ever of all time oh it's so good that's a really brandy riff thing oh and she okay who's she she's doing it with um is she doing it with jasmine sullivan in that video i think so there's a there's a video where i'm i'm gonna look this up i'm her yes yes i've heard of this her and jasmine sullivan do do this little... I think she's teaching Brandy how to do a riff

up. There's like an up riff that she's teaching her. And they're in a hallway. It's one of the coolest videos ever. It's so wild. It's so wild. R&B singers call Brandy the vocal Bible because her riffs are...

And also, you don't realize her range because her tone is so like effortless and specific to her you actually don't realize her range but like and you know who else is like that tony braxton tony braxton's range is out of control like if you actually listen to what she's doing in unbreak my heart she is in the basement of the basement and then she is getting the operatic vocals at the end. It's giving all over the map. But anyway, yes, huge.

Naomi is the riffer of the band and also has the craziest range in the band. That's like the crime of Luna, honestly, is that there's not enough Naomi vocals. It's a crime. That's a crime throughout luna that well you'll be charged yeah i know you guys are coming on here looking for the crime well you found it all right literally perfect let's move on to katie katie what was the culture that

meant you said culture was for you okay well i feel like my culture has been covered because initially i was gonna say that the culture that made me realize culture was for me was children's community theater give give all details of what roles you played like oh my god okay so so i was in uh there was something called winneka children's theater and i was in you could be in the productions between fourth and eighth grade and there were a few of us that were uh wait fourth fifth sixth seventh eighth so there were a few of us that were 10 show 10 showers like that that did every show that did every show i actually don't know why i said that they didn't

call us 10 showers you did two shows a year and you did all five years and I did all five years yeah and I what you saying was it like a fall play in a spring musical was it exactly it was all musicals but there was a fall in the spring and they had different the directors like switched

off and much like Allie and Taylor exactly I've just been trying to recreate the situation must know your roles yes can you can you name the shows what's the yeah um the first show i was in was joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat and i was in the chorus and i just remember um you know i'm a highly sensitive person but i was so moved by musicals and i remember like being on stage for the the song um i think it's called close every door and it's joseph when he's like imprisoned and you know i'm just feeling like

literally like the pain of the world as like uh a fourth grader yeah as a fourth grader and just being so moved and so in it and like oohing and aahing um i loved being in the chorus and also like the first show was very formative because um being in a community of kids that had, you know, this like schedule of being together, you know, three days during the weekday and then like this long rehearsal on the weekend and having cast bonding and just this feeling of like doing stuff together. And there was this really sweet older woman who made all the costumes named

Ruth and like the costume and prop closet was like in the attic of this community building and it was like such a magical place and I think just having this experience of like making something with a with a group of people making friends fucking around you know like during it um I was so in love I never really got um big parts in shows because something about me is that i had like a really limited range as a singer for my childhood and adolescence when you discovered your voice because you really are such an excellent vocalist like and it's so like talk about singularity like you know it's moona when you hear it. So I wanted to know, when did you discover your voice? expressing myself that way but I had this feeling that there was something wrong with my voice because I couldn't I couldn't sing the songs that were written for women in musical theater like my range just wasn't there and I found out later after I went to college that I had vocal nodules

for like a lot of growing up that was affecting my range um so there was this feeling of, I think in a way that's part of what got me into songwriting because I could write for, for my range and I could sing through a whole song versus like just being embarrassed and limited by not being able to actually, you know, sing like, you know, parts. And I remember like we were doing Peter Pan one pan one year and like i of course it's like you want to be wendy but i was like i think i got cast as tiger lily because i could i just couldn't sing these songs um colorblind casting at the time i know i know oh god especially at that time it was happening nationwide and i will be apologizing for that no like runy mara are a tiger lily type

everyone's thinking this yeah but i was like i would get um i was often uh this made-up role captain of the dance troupe um because they like they loved me and they wanted me to like keep being a part of it but they you know were trying to like make up for not giving me real parts you know so i was uh i was captain of the dance troupe a lot and i liked it i was pulling the choreography you know there we go well that that position needs to be there yeah dance captain is the thing but also i also think it is so valuable for people to be in chorus i was always in chorus always in chorus was never given like a real part until senior year anything goes where um the i've told the story a million times

but the musical theater director at our school was this like toxic woman and she um i i had like burned that bridge junior year and then she like begged me to come back to do anything goes because there were the two, the two Chinese stowaways and she was not going to cast a white person. And I was like, I did her a favor, but anyway, this is all to say that like chorus being in, being in chorus is truly some of the most,

some of the most useful formative artistic experiences that anyone can have. I think truly. I love that. I would also say sexy times as well. Oh, yeah. Well, because then you were backstage having fun. Yeah, absolutely. The people with the big roles were not having fun the way we were having fun.

Exactly. I actually, it's a lie that I never did any shows. When I was in seventh, sixth grade, I did Peter Pan. And I was like in the, I was one of the pirates i was in the ensemble and i remember like like i loved the rehearsal process because it was just everyone fucking around like i remember i was friends with these two girls and i remember it was like the hell week it was like the week before the show was gonna go on and one of these girls who i had always been messing around with and whatever always having fun turned to me and said some of

us take this really seriously. And if you're not going to take this seriously, then maybe you shouldn't be in the show at all. Yes. And her name is Alicia. And I never forgot it. It made me feel so bad. She turned on me so fast.

And I don't know. Now I'm a professional actor and I don't know where she is. But iconic. All right, Joe, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you so the thing that has been hard for me figuring this out okay what i'm well naomi pitched me a few things but i realized the thing that was hard for me when making this decision was um

being gay and thinking it's like is the culture for me the first time i'm like oh my god because it's like the way you remember things or it's either like something really made me interested in you know something and it's like a certain things really made me interested in uh women specifically but i'm not going down that rabbit hole but that's what was so confusing was like that was such a formative experience. They are tied. I'm just gay. They definitely are tied.

And mine is still gay, but it's a different kind of gay. Not corny, but masc. Yeah. So they're not going to guess what I did. This one got pulled out of my ass. But I was really into the muppets as a kid and there's an episode of the muppets where alice cooper is playing guitar and he performs schooled out uh you know for summer and i saw that i was like well i guess i'm doing that now

there's like it's a specific Halloween episode and I was fucking obsessed with it. And it made me, well, I always wanted to be a musician, but seeing that specifically was like, well, I'm doing this and I'm going to be performing with the Muppets. So, yeah.

I would love to perform with the Muppets. I love the Muppets. We would make it. If we did that, it would be over calling all muppets i love that this is such a great specific answer that did you can you index this moment with alice cooper like have you did it did it get unlocked for you recently or have you always like gone back to that moment being like wow what a fucking amazing realization it's always been a part of my uh you know i have certain things i'm obviously like a

record on repeat and this is one of the this is one of the tracks but it was a track that i didn't initially think of when i was talking to them about this they pitched me a few other ones which are obviously important but uh this i i had to do something yeah it is so funny to think about alice cooper guesting on the Muppets. I know. And like, and like also like Sesame Street cameos, like it was so funny.

Like, so Dave Mazzoni and I host this show called Game Show and we do this thing called Celebrity Essences. And one of our clues that we were going to use, I, I don't, I forget for who, for what celebrity was.

It was a, um, a guest, like a celebrity guest cameo on Sesame Street. And there was this photo of Kim Cattrall on Sesame Street, and like in the Sex and the City era. And I'm like,

if you were a child watching this with your dad or your mom, and you turn to them and you're like, who's that? Like, how do you explain how Kim Cattrall is famous enough to go there and what is she saying to oscar the grouch you know what i mean like oh like she's saying yeah you're in the garbage can i don't know what exactly the m is for kim cattrall on

destiny street but she certainly was on the show it's one of my favorite pictures like her like talking to oscar the grouch or like elmo whoever the fuck it's one of my favorite pictures like her like talking to Oscar the Groucho like Elmo whoever the fuck it is Cookie Monster well I know a thing or two about being insatiable the Muppets don't give a fuck the Muppets will the Muppets will sing with that is that is what's beautiful about the Muppets is that they will

sing with Alice Cooper they will sing with Gaga and a Thanksgiving special you know it's like but they elevate it. Sudi was saying this, our friend Sudi Green was saying, you put the Muppets with anything in entertainment and it automatically elevates it

because you're like, oh wow, it's the Muppets. Everyone loves the Muppets. It's high art because you're like, it's funny, it's cute, it's for everybody. There's something so special and singular about the Muppets that you can't replicate with any other thing. It's universal. The Muppets are are universal it's rule of culture number 44 the muppets are universal and we and we should say rule of cultural number 75 naomi we can't forget naomi's

contribution which is podcasts or books podcasts are reading podcasts are reading number what 74 75 podcasts are reading thank you say that so I would say can we just briefly say we'll start with you Joe who is the most iconic Muppet or Sesame Street character like who is the girl I have the girl the thing that I'm gonna say

is not gonna be someone that I know the name of describe okay so the girl is there is a skit in the muppets uh there are two episodes of the muppets that live rent free in my body and soul the ones that alice cooper episode and the other ones of vincent price episode and it's a halloween episode it is um there's a monster muppet with a smaller muppet singing you're under my skin and is eating the smaller muppet and it is both of those muppets combined that are the girls

for me oh my god i don't know this horrifying oh it's crazy is it is it the big muppet that's what's his name i don't know it's the big yellow it's not it's the big yellow. It's not Snuffleupagus. It's the big yellow one. I know the big yellow one. I don't think it's Snuffleupagus. I don't think he's part of the original cast. He's not a serious regular? No, no. He's a Halloween regular.

If you want to get your shit rocked, he's on the show. Featured. Featured performer. He's a featured performer. Joe, I found their names. Do you want to know? Yeah. Something's horrible. So they were both...

The Vincent Price episode was the first season, but its behemoth is the big yellow one, and the smaller one is shaky Sanchez. Poor shaky. I don't know. I'm just thinking, honestly, behemoth?

I was there. I had reoccurring dreams about the muppets like they really they really do belong inside of my brain and he really did number on me let me just say that like if i think about him too much i'm gonna have a night terror tonight i'm gonna be here one of my most formative nightmares was that behemoth took me and put me in the oven and my mom like couldn't see it like she was like in the kitchen like and i couldn't get her attention but she i had a similar dream i'm not even talking with you or i was in an elevator and there he was in the elevator and my mom is with me i'm yelling at my mom but she can't hear me yep can't he couldn't hear me wow duo therapy

dissect it period um that's the pisces connection there's something there yeah um okay wow okay now what about what about for y'all katie who's the top muppet i think the muppet i love the most and i didn. I didn't interact with the Muppets that much. You should consider interacting more. I know. I should consider interacting more. The one that I have an affinity for off the top would be Gonzo.

Gonzo is a comedy genius. Have you seen Muppets from Space or Muppets in Space? Of course. Muppets in space of course movie muppets in space i honestly don't think i have i think they've been doing they opened well the first of all the the movie is amazing it's about gonzo finding out where he's from and he's basically from the planet that parliament is from the movie opens with them performing all the muppets are performing brick house

it's the best movie i've ever seen gonzo is black gonzo is black period gonzo's black period he's claimed by that movie re-watch it the opening montage of them cleaning their house they all live into brick house is amazing wow oh my god having parliament and like sun raw energy yeah rocket number nine okay naomi naomi top muppet um okay i want to say this is this is real hard um i i it's a tie for me it's a tie for me okay It's a tie for me. Okay. It's a tie between, uh, the King prawn. Oh, who has a line in that movie saying that he's not a shrimp. He's a King prawn. And it's like his hero line. Um, and, uh, and, uh, Ralph, the dog, the big dog. Yeah. He's really sweet. I thought you were going to ralph joe no i mean like i ralph is sweet

this is all my subconscious it's the other guy yeah i got it too much a part of me but ralph well i also like i want to say about joe and the muppets is like in general i do feel like there's something really historically important i'm waiting for this with joe and like um being afraid costumes and like alter egos like when i met joe in college like one of the first halloweens they were dressed up as um like some type of golden parrot bird like in like a full onesie with like a like a bird mask joe had a comedian del arte mask yeah and i wore a figure skating onesie yeah i will say i i would say anything that is like freak core uh that i coined recently yeah i have a copyright uh i feel i feel akin to little monster askesque. Yeah. I sent her this video. You guys know the musician Oliver Sim?

Yeah. He was in XX, and he has a music video from his new record. I think the record is great, and the song is called Romance with a Memory, and it's a bunch of people in kind of different whimsical monster costumes, and I saw it,

and I was like, this is Josette. That's why I love drag so much. i didn't know i would love drag so much until like i started really watching drag race and i saw that people were like being absolute freaks yeah that's really what it is it's an excuse to be your freakish self i would love love to. I would do anything. I would do Biodrag and I would do, obviously, I'd love to King. King is my heart. You would do both. You would do King and

AFAB. Yeah, your hand gestures are very Biodrag today. I'm in the zone. I guess we get a few hours, I'll be more upset and mask. Well, my favorite Muppet is Miss Piggy. I guess we have a few hours. I'll be more upset and mask. Well, my favorite, my favorite Muppet is Miss picky.

I mean, it's just period. I mean, she's a genius when, when she says, it's the funniest thing anyone could ever do. She is a diva. I mean,

she's a gay icon. I do believe she's a gay woman. She's a gay woman. When she tells Michael Caine in M christmas carol to leave at the end she's so authoritative she is in charge and i will say whenever her show gets foiled i'm always upset i'm always like whenever like this the big show she's gonna put on like gets destroyed by the idiot muppets i'm always like why won't you let this woman perform like please please i also have a soft spot for um oh my god waldorf and statler

sattler and waldorf like because there's a there's a moment in the world they're gay there's a moment yeah the old guys i was gonna say them they're iconic and there's a moment in um the muppets 3d attraction at disney's hollywood studios where the show is ending and they go and this is what i loved about the muppets like whenever it would break the fourth wall and be like self-referential and stupid i loved it so whenever like they're like hey we gotta get out of here and the other one goes we can't go anywhere we're bolted to the seats they're just laughing about how they're puppets and they're in a theme park like i think they are bolted to the seats i remember leaving as a child being like like my like it's like that gif of the woman with the numbers i was like oh my god like they know they're aware of the fact that they're bolted to the seats like this is like some real

high this is like existential high post-modern art like this is this should be in the museum yeah it's my green it's surreal it's my green it's surreal bon who's the top muppet and then we'll do i don't think so honey it's beaker down beaker really is a dumb bottom touching meing knee. Beaker's a dumb bottom. But Beaker just wants to help. Yeah, but can't. But can't do it. He communicates and emotes so much with no words.

It's so iconic. I feel like Beaker sometimes. I feel like you're the doctor. You're Bunsen and I'm Beaker. Bunsen is a legend, too. Bunsen is a legend. Bunsen is a legend I mean women men in STEM we need more men in STEM

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podcast weekly where we take exactly 60 seconds as is the sort of you know what i just said as is custom and we rail against something in culture that's just getting to us a little bit we had to exercise demons about it i do have something though i alluded to it amazing okay this is amazing um we we know what it is but i think we're still going to be blown away this is So I alluded to it at the top. Okay. This is amazing. We know what it is, but I think we're still going to be blown away. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts now.

I don't think so, honey. No art pop in the set list of Chromatica Ball because here's the thing. You have to at least nod to every era. I am famously one of Lady Gaga's fans who does not like Just Dance. For me personally, I think we've heard Just Dance enough. Amazing.

I think I would have loved to hear just something out of left field. You know what I mean? Like, you're back on stage for a while. Just give us, like, Donatella. Give us GUY. You know what I mean? I honestly think Venus

would fit in with the environment of the Chromatica ball. I believe that Venus as a planet is sort of nearby Chromatica as a planet. I think that just a hop, skip, and a jump away. I just feel that applause is an underrated song and i think people are ready to jump on lady gaga about applause because it like wasn't born this way which what does that even mean again i would even rather applause instead of this way i

understand and almost i don't think so honey myself for saying that because i understand the need to have born this way because it's sort of in the fabric of Lady Gaga DNA, but like, I don't know. It's Dramatica. It's a different planet. It's an alternate Lady Gaga. Maybe we have Donatella instead of all these other songs. I just don't think so, honey. I need applause.

I know Lady Gaga forgot applause, but I need, I mean, R-Pop rather. I need R-Pop. That's one minute, you know, and I didn't realize she also doesn't have any Joanne in the set list. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Where do you think you're going? I mean, like, maybe we should, i didn't realize she also doesn't have any joanne in the set list oh wow which is yeah you know where do you think you're going i mean like maybe we should come on like you're you're gonna do like an acoustic part and you're gonna do always remember this this way i understand that i like always remember us this way but maybe we could have had grigio girls there can you imagine like she's like grigio girls like with all her fans there after all these years like we would be screaming like i just think there's some erasure of, yes, Joanne, but really art pop. And art pop was an important experimental Chromatica-esque era. Speaking of Sun Ra, Venus is sampling Sun Ra, like, and it's inspired by Sun Ra Rocket No. 9.

She really did herself dirty on that one i just feel like there was an opportunity there to have a little bit more art pop especially in this like brutalist like sort of like yeah i feel like the aesthetics very much lend themselves to art pop i love the fact that she's describing the set as brutalist i love that it is brutalist brutalism is something that i love we recently were what was that hotel we were staying at um not the soul cycle hotel the equinox hotel equinox and we described it it as brutalist and that really made me laugh brutalism is in i just think i love describing things as brutalist it's so harsh we we love venus we say venus all the time i'm gonna do venus come on now maybe that would go hard to

do it what lady gaga cover would muna do holy shit i feel like we would do probably something i mean i don't know i feel like stupid love is up our alley yeah that kind of like pulsey bass is very moona vibes um uh i don't know i oh that's hard we should just say that um joel sent us the demo for sometimes for your covers for y'all's covers sometimes we heard it in the car i was in la and we both like no we were at um we were at the mall we were leaving the mall we were leaving no we were in the mall we were in the mall i i will never forget that memory you guys like truly like stopped me in my tracks i was like this has to be in the movie and we didn't even talk about it we have to talk about now wait wait that that you guys made the movie so much better it's really cool that we have made something together you

know it's so cool period and like i think that you know that's so beautiful like being able to contribute a song like to this moment where y'all have already contributed like this raw emotion and then the song can just elevate that and like guide people you know to this emotional climax i mean it was such a joy we we worked our little butts off to get that in I know it was down to the dang wire baby but we had a lot of fun we know it was a lot but it's so

worth it I was saying a prayer every night and we prayed too trust I know people are upset that we cut the bridge I know people I have to acknowledge that because people are going to be hearing this I know people are upset that we cut the bridge. I know people, I have to acknowledge that because people are going to be hearing this. I know. The bridge does not work for Moona. The bridge does not work

for the Moona sometimes. The chords are too kind of twee for our version, I think. We really did vary of the time. We did change the style of the song a lot, you know? Maybe we could have worked that out on a different time

it works it works phenomenally in the og version the bridge is great we love it in the og version i just don't think it i don't know for me it didn't work well that was when pop music was a little bit more musical theater you know what i mean it was more like it was more like you know it was just it was more it just worked for britney in 1999 in a way that was not going to work for this moment that we needed also it's just like you know it really it really feels like musically it would have gone to a totally different place and like changed the meaning whereas yeah it's it's actually quite simple you know what i mean it's like like the lyrics are are they hold up without the that exactly in the bridge yeah yeah i was i was singing like the lyrics yeah i was like

i don't know if i've ever sang a song like this that's telling this specific story where it's like i am interested in you but i like take time to open up and i'm like fragile and not necessarily available but you have to believe that i can be it was like this is just so specific and special and really touching like i felt really emotional singing it it is is a specific like point of view. Yeah. I guess hasn't really been represented in a lot of pop songs. It's a bit Christian. It's a bit Christian.

It's a bit Christian. It's a bit avoidant. It's just a bit avoidant. But it's a bit avoidant too. Yeah. Attachment style. The attachment style is not represented in in pop songs but i made some we made some compilation moona playlists of like different attachment styles

whoa yeah which i think is funny i love that yeah i love it well i will say that anyone who has who's taking issue with the bridge not being included get over it because guess what i sing the bridge in the fucking movie and that'll do that'll do just fine bowen yang's version justice bowen's version bowen's version okay speaking of bowen's version this is bowen's version of his i don't think so honey today bowen are you ready do you have thoughts and feelings i have thoughts i have thoughts and and i'm i'm sorry this episode has been all about siblinghood and sisterhood i just i'm gonna come after my sister oh god bowen young's i don't think so anytime shots now i don't think so honey matt rogers complimenting ramona singer in a restaurant this past weekend

saying i'm a big fan and her going oh thank you so you so much. That's so sweet. Why would you validate someone like that? Why would you ever give a monstrous person such as Ramona Singer herself this kind of good vibe? She does not deserve it. She is a pit of despair. She is a black hole.

The light will go nowhere. It is a bottomless container, Matt. There is the light will go nowhere you are it is a bottomless container matt it is there's there's there is no output for this she will not convert that light into anything worthwhile into the world okay she's a horrible person i can't believe you said hello to her that you were nice to her i i have lost a little bit of respect for you. I will. You will gain it back. You will gain it back. I have no doubt you will gain it back.

But in this moment, I have lost a little bit of respect for Matt Rogers. And I hate it when that happens. And that's one minute. Sort of reminds me of the time that Donald Trump was leaving his after party for SNL. And Bowen Yang said, great show tonight. Sort of reminds me of that. Sort of reminds me of when Bowen said, when Bowen Yang complimented Donald

Trump on his comedy. And then to Eva Braun of our time, Ivanka Trump, and said, congratulations, and patted his belly to signify congratulations on her pregnancy. I have owned up to this moment. It is the most shameful moment

of my life. You are disgusting. And to come after me for saying two words big fan to Ramona Singer who I was shocked to see at a restaurant in Sag Harbor. To even compare the two of us. You are filth. You really are disgusting. You're filth. You're in

yuppie central. You wished you were in yuppie central. Cheerio to you. I'm in London. I central cheerio to you my god i'm in london is it possible that both of these situations are classic cases of dissociation i think so i was i was can i tell you guys i was it was my birthday i would this was 2015 it was sudi's first uh year at snl and i was just like happy to be there. I was wasted off my ass and literally Trump walks by and I go great show today

and then he goes thank you. He looked him in the eyes and he said hey I just wanted to tell you that I thought you really surprised me tonight. The way that you embodied the characters I thought was incredible. I look forward to voting for you in November. This is the equivalent of me me telling Hitler

I love your paintings. It's shameful. I am. I currently am. I just can't believe you would set me up in such a way to attack me for saying the words big fan to Ramona Singer. By the way,

this reminds me, I did want to do an I Don't Think So Honey on Dorinda, who continues to destroy any goodwill that she had on the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip Season 2. It is so insane to watch. That's bad. Alright. But I think we've both done dark things.

As we all have as human beings. Let's move on. Should we do this in order? No, we're going to switch it up because because because naomi went first already so now joe's gonna go first joe's going first let's go no naomi was like saying that they wanted me to do this in a way it's like should naomi pick what i'm gonna talk about well there's one there's one i basically feel because of our conversation the other day. Which one is it?

Do the one you feel, JoJo. Do the one you feel in your heart. Always do the one you feel in your heart. That's a rule of culture number four. Always do the one you feel in your heart. Okay. Here we go.

This is JoJo Mascons. I don't think so, honey. Time starts maskins i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so honey motherfucking liars i don't want to go to a hotel in new york city and be told it is two queen beds when you're telling and we were going in thinking we're going to share a bed no these are two full fucking beds i think my big ass and naomi's big ass are going to share a bed no these are two full fucking beds i think my big ass and naomi's big ass are going to share a bed in a full bed and say yes we like this then we go downstairs they say that no this is a fucking queen bed no it isn't we're getting a tape measure and we are measuring this bed and let me just tell you every situation that you're going to come in here and tell me something is the way that it is. And it's a fucking lie.

I don't think so, honey. I don't fucking think so, honey. Actually, I can end there. In a way, I could end there. I don't even need to say anything else. And that's 45 seconds. Don't lie to me. And you know what?

It just happened to me the other day. I will come for you. Yeah, 100%. Especially when you get the tape measure out. Jesus. Oh, yes, bitch. It was Dom energy especially when you get the tape measure out jesus oh yes bitch it was dom energy joe is pacing back and forth in our hotel like we're gonna get a tape measure in here these are not queen beds i can't stand it when people lie to me i don't want my money back i want my money back hello it's a difference in the price like the double is different than a

double and we're sharing beds like that is a real thing we do share beds when we're in hotels we're we're not we're not too bougie for that at this point we are sharing beds in hotel rooms and they were small the worst the worst i want to share the full with you jojo i don't want to i love you i don't want to i know i'm cool I'm cool and a queen I don't even want to share a full With my girlfriend I want enough room to be able to exhale And not inhale

Inside your mouth You say this and yet you put a dog bigger than a human In your bed With you and your girlfriend That's different Don't get me started It is different Don't you dare come for me right now how dare you how dare you too you know what this

makes me want to put you on the spot are you ready katie oh goodness yeah katie's so serious okay let's hear it it's truly a huge left turn okay here we go. This is Katie's I Don't Think So Honey, our time starts now. Okay, I Don't Think So Honey. Babies having only two parents. Of course, we don't have enough parents to have. It takes a village.

Humans have been around for thousands and thousands of years. Been raising babies and do we have any examples from this time where two parents was enough to do the job to raise a baby do we have examples of this specifically there's something toxic in the culture that we're growing up in now where we're in the nuclear families we're isolated in our little homes uh and more and more is falling on the two people. I would like to say that really there shouldn't be babies

that have any less than, I would say, eight parents. I think maybe one-eighth of the responsibility for raising a child is the appropriate amount of responsibility where we have a chance of actually doing it right i don't think so honey and that's one minute incredible now i want to ask a question to joe which is joe do you support polly amory when it comes to raising a co-parenting a child well what is the relationship between me and the other parents like it's me and katie's example sexual all eight of the parents are fucking every day and it's not compulsory stop and it's hashtag messy then obviously if

it's messy i'm fine if it's okay if yeah it has to be good of the baby has to be as traumatizing as possible for someone to exist right now. Well, if you're giving me this scenario. Really, this is a long-term scheme for me to get involved in when they're raising babies. Everybody wants my eggs. Stay out of my eggs. I am not having a baby. You have the baby, bitch.

Well, I will if you'll raise it with me. How about that, bitch? I don't... I don't know. I don't know. They're really racked up about this one. Wow. I don't know.

I'm not ready. Stop pressuring me. You have to get eight people on board on the same page. That sounds tough. I'm really not ready. You have to do like a damn... A literal parent-teacher conference. Do you guys think eight is too much?

I feel like... What do you think is the perfect number? Eight is too much. I can't get along with seven other people. Four? Six? Six. Us and partners. Six I would do. Six is good. You know, Matt and I were in improv, we're in comedy

groups with eight people and it felt like the work was our baby and it worked. Yeah yeah and never once were we all on the same page that's my that's my team i'm against i'm against group i'm against group i might be i don't i feel like it could get really complicated sure okay katie here's here's what I think. Everyone has been dying to know what I think. Yes. Burning. So, okay. Raising a baby? Sure. Eight people.

Why not? You pass it around. Everything that you need to do with the baby is pretty simple. It's like, keep it alive. Yeah. Like, and keep it safe. I don't know about you guys. But when you're starting to talk about whether or not the kid should, maybe someone's going to be like, I think this kid should be homeschooled.

I think the kid should go to this school.'re talking about preschools especially in la it's gonna get real messy real quick no one's gonna agree have you ever heard of of anarchy we've heard of group decision making voting this kid's gonna be fucked up this is my team this is going to have a very diversified lifestyle Why can't you just have the baby and I'll help you out sometimes? You know what I mean? I'm a babysitter. I would be a great babysitter.

It's called babysitters, hun. Yeah, it's called babysitters club. There was a whole TV show about it. Fucking Google. Erasure. Naomi, are you ready? Yeah, we'll try it. Go off.

This is Naomi's I Don't Think So Honey. Their time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. The birds that sing at night. Yeah. There is a tree close to my girlfriend's house and I have deduced that one of these tiny little birds lives in that tree.

These birds are very accomplished mimics. They have a full repertoire of car alarms, sounds they hear all day. All this stuff. And they're rehearsing for, I'm assuming, a mate all night long. Gross. From four in the morning, maybe until eight. And this used to only be happening in the spring. You can give them a pass for the spring.

It's their time. They're trying to find a partner. I get it. If you're singing all night six months out of the year, I a huge fucking problem with that yeah it's very shrill it's all the different car alarms in the neighborhood we've all heard them you know them you hate them the birds who sing at night i don't think so honey i'm sorry i have a rebuttal i have a minute go what if you were that horny like what if you were so i've been i've been that horny I'm not up all night screaming around Well, let's talk about that

Then you haven't been that horny Wee-oo, wee-oo, wee-oo Err, err Oh, they do all that They're rehearsing It's the mockingbirds They're rehearsing They're rehearsing for the apocalypse

Let me tell you, they're actually artists And number one you are actually you're you're you're bashing there are no no every night six months out of the year they belong in vegas not outside of naomi's girlfriend's house no i've had enough i've had enough i think the issue is actually goes back to the first thing that we talked about it's like we need more queer representation and are you saying this yeah the bird is queer well if it's outside if it's not if it's singing outside of your window in echo park i would say he just needs to perform like it's so he's so in his in his body yeah i mean maybe i am being a bit queer phobic it's queerphobic.

It's queer for the birds to know the car alarm and for you to shout them down in such a way is in word queerphobic. Or at least tornephobic. Speaking of singing and vocalizing, when Katie came to my Christmas show, she said something that shook me to my absolute

core. And it's something that came me to my absolute core and it's something that came from me and i know what it is oh you believe i have perfect pitch okay i i'll say this there were a few episodes that i'd listened to back to back where you were singing the song that you were referencing exactly in the key that it is in so i have to think as a person who has this affliction this disease it's like sythesia and that it's a disease it's very hard it's really hard um to have to have perfect pitch it's really hard so i listened to those two episodes and i thought that you had perfect pitch i i don't i think you have very good relative pitch now thank you for bringing me right down to earth because i know i don't, I think you have very good relative pitch now. Thank you for saying that. So bring me right down to earth,

because I know I don't have perfect pitch. I think you have very good relative pitch, though. And you know who constantly yells at me about, quote-unquote, changing the keys, is Bowen Yang. I'm not changing the keys ever. You do it all the time. I do not. Roll the tape.

Roll the tape. Roll the tape. Okay. Do you think you could sing a C, if you if you practice i don't i don't know i can sing an a oh and you can sing an a yeah yeah okay ready okay no you can't you're pretty close yeah you're pretty close mammy sing an a. Katie, just play it. I need to. Roll the tape. Play it, baby. Yeah!

Finish the aftering with a quick vocal exercise. You know what that is? Yes! No, it's not. No, but the groove note is Yeah. Which is why. no but the gru note is yeah which is why

Katie estimate that that's the five of a so you're doing amazing no when you know the key I hear everything in solfege oh my god yeah

do re mi fa what is it oh god i used to think that solfege was just the note i was like do is just another word for c so well that's but you're moving it around and i'm like that's not do actually no no no as we sort of tumble into musical talk we will tell all the readers out there that if you haven't streamed moona's new album moona you're an absolute fool a flop it's ridiculous that you're even listening to this like who are you you have to listen to moona literally right now um best band in the universe our faves we literally have looked forward to this for such a long time

We love you We love you so much Thank you so much for coming on It's an honor We talked about the Muppets We established who has perfect pitch And who has relative pitch We established so much

We talked to musical theater as youngins We went into it We got through it We fucking bathed in it We snorted it We talked to musical theater as youngins. We went into it. We got through it. We fucking bathed in it. Talked about friendship. Snorted it. Fucked it. We've talked about friendship.

Yeah, we got pretty deep. We got pretty deep. A perfect episode, I would say. A perfect episode. And we end every episode with a song. I'm the kind of girl. I'm the kind of girl I'm the kind of girl who thinks I'm

I'm the kind of girl who thinks I'm Wow. Wow. The chicks. It's giving the chicks. I'm seeing them. Oh, they're back.

That's fun. End of the month. Oh, I'm jealous. Until then. I'll hang out soon. I know. We really, we really,

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