Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “How The Salad Gets Tossed” (w/ Matt + Bowen)

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Lots off big news in culture! Cole won a Tony! Cynthia crushed as Tony’s host! The winner was Nicole Scherzinger! Our hosts Matt + Bowen discuss all this, Nicole’s pop culture significance at large, the Fifth Harmony reunion and what may have happened with Normani’s solo efforts, and Benito Skinner’s Overcompensating. Also, Becca’s experience at the Puerto Rican pride parade, Bad Bunny for Calvin Klein, “Manchild” by Sabrina Carpenter, what kind of subs we are, and the stories we tell ourselves about other gay men. And that’s not all! All this, And Just Like That, the crazy art that trade sometimes displays during my lovemaking, how Elphaba can be beautiful art, and that thing of putting a towel down on the bed before you FRUCK. Thanks for selling out The Culture Awards! Now go stream Sabrina Carpenter for once!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, honey. Look, man. Where. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Yeah. Last culture is this. Ding dong. Last culture is calling. They've had a full day, the two of them. I want you to know how hard we are at work

on the Culture Awards. We are busting our ass. Holes. Holes. I am a crater down there because of Culture Awards, in the best way. You know, I have been so... I'm just gonna get into it.

Because one of the things we can do... We're gonna talk about sex? I was gonna say I've been so... I'm just gonna get into it. Because one of the things we can do... We're gonna talk about sex? I was gonna say I've been so horny. Great. Have you? No. I actually need to talk to my therapist about this moment because I get horny through travel. And then I realize that the wires are all a little bit messed up.

So full disclosure, when I was in London, I was just like, you know what? Back in the day, I would frequent a bath house every now and then. So I went to the sweat box, which is, and then immediately once I got to the showers downstairs, got recognized by some lovely DC gay. Yeah, can't do it.

And I was like, gotta go. Yeah, that's tough. Joel, I think Joel Kim Booster had a joke about being too famous for an orgy. Right, oh, I love that joke. And I was like, oh, Joel. Oh, Joel. Couldn't possibly relate to him. His sexcapades. And now I do.

Finally. I mean, it's a good thing, I guess. Means careers are going great. You know what's funny to me? And it's a good thing, I guess. Means careers are going great. You know what's funny to me? When I physically get tired, I actually am a lot hornier. I don't know what that is. I remember back in the day when I would jam the schedule

with morning activities, I would just get home and I would be physically very horny. But that's hard to reconcile with being actually totally sapped by the day. But because your body is like, oh, I want to like engage in the act. But you're like emotionally like, but I can't like call someone over because that's a huge part of hooking up is actually getting someone over is the movements is like the literal movements of bodies.

Good luck, AI, with that, I say. Yeah, that's one thing they can't take. Well, I guess they could. I don't know. Fucking a robot, to me, will never have the same... I'm just taking it all the way to like the fullest potential of this apparent technology. Like, a hole is a hole, but I also feel like there's just something about it being a human connection to me at least.

That at least like, I'm still there with sex where I'm like, it cannot be disconnected from, even though I just said I went to a bath house. But even then I like, it needs to be something. Well, you hope to make a friend first. I hope to make a friend. Well, it's gotta be a, if there's a robot in the bath house, I go, well, good luck.

You're gonna fritz out in about two seconds with the steam in this place. Yeah, this isn't gonna go well for you, sister, I say to the AI. Remember when Joaquin Phoenix noted with Scarlett Johansson, though, in the film Her, the seminal film Her? But her voice was so good in that. I'm just saying- Scarlett's voice.

Well, it was Scarlett's sexual timbre. Oh my gosh. I just want to say I love Scarlett's vocal journey through her career. Like if you go back and watch Ghost World and lost in translation, it's like it is at a different octave. And I do love that it's sort of developed this like depth over the years. We have to have her on to ask about her vocal journey. Yes, I think so. And the title of that for the Scarlett Johansson episode, Whenever It Happens, is already vocal journey. But I just want to say, to your point about the energy, like I am always, I'm going to say, horny in theory.

Yeah, me too. And then it gets to that point in the conversation where, let's say you're on an app, on a hookup app, when discussion opens up about movements, about who should go to whom, that's when I'm like, oh, actually, to call back to our Cola Skull episode, more on Cole in a minute, we go, emergency with my closest friends.

I just realized I'm having an emergency with my closest friend. Emergency with my closest friend. But that's a date, that was a date, that was different. That's a date thing. But I mean, it could be a sex thing, if it gets there. But there's a date. That was a date. That was different. That's a date thing. But I mean, it could be a sex thing if it gets there. But there's sometimes when like, yeah, it just all falls apart when even the second of reality is introduced. And they're like, why is AI taking over? Oh, my God.

You know, to speak about Cole, here's the thing about Cole. Cole Scola is a Tony Award winner. Ah! Wow. Most deserving award of all time. Cola Skola is a Tony Award winner. Ah! Wow. Most deserving award of all time. I mean, and you know what was so great about it was I obviously, you know, saw them hit the red carpet,

looking stunning, and just... There was something about seeing them on the carpet. And I just had to sit back and I really got emotional because it actually reminded me about the entire reason why I love Cole in the first place. Why they've always been one of my heroes since when we started comedy was because they remind you that there aren't actually fucking rules. It's like, there is no fucking rule as to what you're supposed to wear, what you're supposed to create, how you're supposed to do the decorum of the award show.

It actually re-inspired me for the culture awards. I was like, right. Exactly. If they ever had a big fucking idea, they went for it. I'm sure there are always checkpoints like there are for everyone about like, ooh, is this weird? Is this too much? Are people gonna get this? But screaming the word yes to your big idea and what your instinct is, is what reminded me the other night, like why I love Cole and why Cole is so special and important.

I'm so fucking proud of them. It couldn't happen to a better person. I think it is amazing to think about Cole's School of Beating George Clooney. It was a wonderful little box moment at the award shows. We love George. Love George. At the Oscars for theater. The Oscars for theater, that's the Tony Awards.

I mean, it's Real Culture number 50. The Oscars for theater, That's the Tony Awards. But just to place last night's Tony's as another sort of coordinate in the plane of award shows, that was a fantastic program top to bottom. So fucking good. And it flew by to me. I was like, oh, it's already 11. OK. I mean, someone said earlier, like the Tony's are the best award show. And I was like, oh, yeah. And I'm thinking of it like, oh, I'm glad they're excited. And then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually,ys are the best award show. And I was like, oh yeah. And I'm thinking of it like, oh, I'm glad they're excited.

And then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually it is the best award show because it's literally built around incredible live performance and people that are incredibly capable on screen of executing this stuff reliably day in and day out. So just to know that just around the corner was another sleigh of a performance was, you know, and to have Cynthia threading the whole thing so poised, elegant, talented, the standard of excellence is already so high for her and she manages to rise above it and raise the bar again and again and again.

The humor felt like totally in the pocket, just really good. Ten out of ten, I think. For Cynthia, I think for the whole show. God, that in memoriam was a fucking punch to the gut. Yeah. And everything. Cynthia getting two applause breaks on her jokes while she was in the mezzanine.

I think both about Jonathan Groff's spit. Like, that is, that's delivery, capital D delivery. Yeah, she was excellent. And also the way to open a show is always debated. Like we're even debating it right now. And you have to be so excellent to open a show like that with an original song. Because you have to make sure that not only is the person like incredibly good at, you know, executing live television, but it's a song no one's heard.

And to get that across, just the way that she communicates as a singer, there's so many things to say about how brilliant she is as a vocalist. But what I was struck by was she's communicating like a new story and a new idea to an audience. And at the end, we were watching it at our friend's house. We were like applauding. We were like, yes, this song that we will remember. It was truly, truly fantastic. I'm just gonna say something. Even the Pure Leaf stuff, I was like, I love it. Go off Pure Leaf. If any company is gonna own a lot of real estate at the Tonys,

the fact that it's an iced tea company, I go, why not? There really could be worse things. Oh, absolutely. And there are. There's so many worse things than pure leaf iced tea having a lot of real estate on the Tony Awards. For example, famine. So much worse. So much worse. And to even put them in the same conversation, you're joking.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, you must be kidding. Oh, I guess the only real note that we have, but this is just in terms of like, this is something that they couldn't have possibly forecast in terms of vibes. But playing everybody off, I think could have just been traditional.

I appreciate what they were trying to do, build it into like Cynthia's monologue, but I think just a standard little orchestral, even a track could have been just fine. But I think it was just a mismanagement of what that would be like and the vibe of the room, which you can never know until the day of. Especially in a time like now, where there is a lot of urgency

in terms of what people might say in these speeches, and people might wanna leave an end on something really poignant, to build into the show that you're actually going to cut people off, even with a joke is kind of not really the move. And I haven't seen it work in recent award shows, so I'm surprised they tried it here. Finally,

we have an end to the debate of who's winning best actress in a musical. It was Nicole. I applaud this. I mean, I think both of their performances, I thought Nicole and Audra's performances were the highlights of the evening. And I think you saw plain as day why they were the ones that were being talked about the whole time. I would have loved to have seen Boop, a performance from Boop, because Boop is a lot of fun. And Jasmine Amy Rogers, had she won, it would have been totally justified.

The girl is so fucking talented and so good in this show. But Nicole's as if we never said goodbye was truly the performance of her career. I mean, and she's performed live on television so many times and so many memorable ways in a variety of ways. But that you could tell her entire career had led up to that moment. And I'm so happy she did that song because she's like, no, I'm going to do the song from this show. I'm going to give it. And similarly to Audra,

I had been really wondering which number from Gypsy they were going to do. I was nervous that they were going to do something like some people and miss the opportunity to really show what Audra McDonald is made of. And when they pulled it up the curtain and it was Rose's turn, I was like, oh, here we go. And I mean, she did not disappoint. She gave all of herself plus half. I mean, it was sick. Yeah. I mean, so many things about...

We're recording this on Monday. So many things about last night. Felt historic. I don't know. So many things about last night felt historic. I don't know. It was just like, oh my God. It was just like different threads of history being braided together where it was like you have someone like Audra, you have someone like Nicole, who feels like a vet, but kind of is still just kind of making her mark on theater. I feel like even like Michael Arden winning, it's like,

oh, this is you're rewarding someone who has put years and years and years into like executing his vision on Broadway so many times. I don't know. Just was a cool night. I loved it. He's so brilliant. Michael Arden. Like I saw maybe happy ending and congrats to Darren Criss on his super well-deserved award as well. Like the fact that he did Parade and maybe happy ending like two years in a row is like, okay, that guy can do anything. And that's while saying I would have been just as excited for Jamie Lloyd to win for Sunset Boulevard,

a show that like blew me away and so happy that one for Best Revival. Yeah, just like so much excellence going on. And I read a statistic that you can never really take highest grossing to mean anything nowadays because all the prices are so much higher. So it's kind of like to say that something was the highest grossing year on record doesn't really mean anything anymore because everything is so prohibitively expensive. But I also read that it was the best attended Broadway season in a long time.

So it means that there were the most butts in seats. And it does feel like there's a renewed energy around it. And it's been a really good, solid few years for Broadway, which is obviously a good thing. And it means that we're coming to ruin it. And we're coming to Broadway to ruin it. The second you think it's gonna be good, we're coming. We're coming, we're hitting the stage.

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Hi! Happy Pride for all who celebrate, and who doesn't? Let's live loud and proud, y'all. Have a happy Pride and listen to all the outspoken shows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast in. You know what we were talking about last night? Did you remember this? After Nicole's performance, I was like, people forget the number of times she has been iconic. You need to educate everybody on this because this is something I was never familiar with,

but I need to know now. Do you guys remember that Nicole Scherzinger? So for years she's had to be a chameleon because she started out as a reality show contestant on Pop Star. She got in the group. Eden's Crush, Get Over Yourself Goodbye, that song. They had like that one hit. There was a period of downtime.

She was in the Pussycat Dolls. And I remembered her from Eden's Crush even then. She's obviously a huge success as the member of the Pussycat Dolls. And I remembered her from Eden's Crush. Even then she's obviously a huge success as the member of the Pussycat Dolls. Then that ends. She tries her solo career. It goes iffy in everywhere, but the UK where she becomes like a thing. So she's a judge on a UK X factor in such a significant way. And Simon likes her so much that they tried to do US X factor.

And she's a judge on that with Paul Abdul, LA Reed and Simon likes her so much that they tried to do US X Factor. And she's a judge on that with Paul Abdul, Ellie Reed, and Simon Cowell. And there's a moment... This is pre-Britney, right? This is pre-Britney. Yes. Okay. This was the first season of US X Factor. And it was Nicole. Okay, keep going. It was Nicole Scherzinger was a judge. And she... There was a thing at the end of US X Factor where the bottom two vote getters It wasn't revealed who got the lowest voids votes but they would have to have like a sing-off and then the judges would decide based on the sing-off who was going through the Round and I remember it's this it was at the time. She was 10. Her name was Rachel Crowe. Her name is Rachel Crowe and

She sang I'd Rather Go Blind by Etta James, a 10 year old. And she gave it, she sang it like a 50 year old woman. And she gave her entire life. And then the other guy sings whatever his name, I believe was Marcus. And then they go to Nicole Scherzinger and she's supposed to make this decision between the two of them. This 10 year old girl who had just given everything to this song and Nicole can't do it. She's like, I have to put it to the public vote and they put it to the public vote.

And the 10 year old girl loses. She her eyes widen in shock. She hits the ground and screaming at her mother. You promised me. And it cuts back to the judges table and Nicole Scherzinger is in hysterics, sobbing in Paula Abdul's arms while Simon Cowell looks on and he realizes that the US X Factor has failed. They cut to the commercial and it's a Pepsi logo. And then the show ends and the word Pepsi couldn't have been bigger.

I said this was the most... That was her last iconic moment. Then I guess she, you know, did Masked Singer, and then she did lots of things on the UK West End, etc. But I'll never forget that moment in her career, because last night sitting there, I'm just thinking about the totality of Nicole Scherzinger. And it is so many things,

but that is a top five Nicole Scherzinger moment for me, a person who has a top five Nicole Scherzinger moments list. Yes. Now, Simon Cowell, they cut to him. He realized he has a gaze that implies that he understands that... It's over. Yes. But then they would come back the next season with Britney. Mm-hmm. And Fifth Harmony was created. I think, was that the next season with Britney. Mm-hmm. And Fifth Harmony was created.

I think, was that the last season of X Factor? I think it only had two seasons. Maybe it had three. I'm actually unclear. Because Demi Lovato was on that too. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, so this is what it was. Because the second season of X Factor had Demi Lovato and Britney Spears both. And LA Radio. Yes. And that's when Fifth Harmony was created.

Because there was a moment where Demi Lovato says, only one of you is giving and Chloe Kardashian, who was added as a host. This is a fucking mad lib goes to Demi Lovato. Wait, who did you think was the one that was giving? And Demi Lovato just sits there and points to Camila Cabello and says, her. Wow. You. Wow. Wow. And the rest of the girls in Fifth Harm sits there and points to Camila Cabello and says, her. Wow. You. Wow. Wow.

And the rest of the girls in Fifth Harmony sort of look at Camila, who's like, hmm. We haven't really responded to, I have not really looked into the details, but thoughts on the reunion besides Sans Camila. I mean, I get why they're doing it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The normality of it all continues to completely blow my mind. I do not know how that didn't work out as a solo thing.

I know. It's interesting, huh? It's like, in a way, what was her name, Susan Crow? Rachel Crow. Rachel Crow? First of all, so many things. I think of Gypsy when she screams at her mother, you promised. Oh, yeah. I also think of Gypsy when she screams at her mother, you promised. Oh, yeah. I also think of this idea that like, this is my like, Cole winning a Tony is so incredible.

It's like, nothing is promised, especially in show business. But just in terms of the Normani, I'm connecting all these dots very haphazardly. But in terms of Normani and the Fifth Harmony reunion, it's like, and like why that did not take off the way that we all hoped it would and wanted it to in some ways, is that Harvard can only get you so far.

You know what I mean? But the thing is like, I think she did work her fucking ass off. I just think she didn't like her thing that succeeded. Right, right. Cause what I had heard was motivation popped off and everyone was like, oh my God, Normani is here.

Like it is about Normani now. And she thought it was too pop or she didn't think it was R&B enough. It wasn't the type of artist that she wanted to be. She didn't even like the video. You know what I mean? All the really, you know, successful elements of that were her being like, well, I don't want to be well known for these things. Like, I don't like what this is. So I guess you kind of have to respect someone who's like,

look, I understand that this is going to be the thing, but I... Stay true to herself. Yeah, like I was just, this is the most random poll ever. And it's one of the gayest transitions of all time. I was watching an interview with Brenda Song. Oh, love. And she was saying years ago, like, apparently she booked like the lead of this huge film

franchise, but at the same time got offered the like two scene role she had in social network. And she was like, I want to work with David Fincher, even though this is a small part, I'm not taking the lead of this franchise, that I guess her agents had busted their ass to get her. And then as a result of her making that decision, they dropped her. But now she's a part of the Social Network, which is one of the most relevant films in pop culture at that time and, you know, probably in the last couple decades. You know what I mean? So who's to say she didn't

make the best decision holistically? Also, she made the decision that she was going to stand by. So with the Normani of it all, it's like, yeah, I mean, she had a huge hit and something that looked to everyone else like it made sense. But if it didn't make sense to her, then maybe that's the question. That's the answer to the question of like, what happened there? It's just she didn't want to be that. Yeah, these are these are these are vital questions for anyone to ask themselves, including us. Yeah, like, do we? I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, it can actually maybe I'll speak to something.

So it's it's funny because did you see last week? I don't even know if I should be going here, but I'm going to go here. Like last week, Andy had on Hoda on Watch What Happens Live. And he threw your name out there. He threw my name out there to take over for Jenna. I mean, not for Jenna, to take over with Jenna. And Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers is great. And all of a sudden I was sitting there watching it. to take over for Jenna. I mean, not for Jenna, to take over with Jenna. Yeah. And Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers is great. And all of a sudden I was, I was sitting there watching it and I was just like, oh my God, they're talking about me for this job.

They're talking about me. Yeah. And I thought that it was like, it was really interesting because I was like, oh, I thought everyone was just being nice by saying, oh, you should do this permanently. You should do it. Cause they say that on, like, if you go to like the Today show Instagram, it's like every time there's a guest job, there's a guest. Sure. It's like they should be permanent. They should be permanent. I thought that was just like a silly thing that people were saying to be nice

to me, and I did think it went well. But then when they were talking about it up there, I was like, oh, that's so interesting to have people talk about something that you should be doing or you're right for, or like, you know, that no one's even asking me if I would want to do it. Totally. On the one hand, it's like a compliment. On the other hand, it is this like total compliment. But on the other hand, it's this kind of like quote unquote fan casting that like could make you feel a certain way. You know what I mean? And it's like, it's like not up to, it's not in your control or it's not even up to you, like what the outcome is

or like what the conversation, what the tone of the conversation is. Does that make sense? Yes, well, it's, I think you probably experienced, well, I know you experienced it and we do not have to get into it and we won't, but I feel like SNL is also one of the only jobs in entertainment where a lot of people can weigh in about like who's staying, who's going, who's getting hired, who's getting

fired, why are they leaving? And it's really interesting, I think, for that to be an element of like what you do as a job, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of interesting. It's I'm not saying it's good or bad. And I've participated in speculation like that. Obviously, like we have this podcast, you know what I'm not saying it's good or bad. I've participated in speculation like that. Obviously, like we have this podcast. You know what I'm saying?

Mm hmm. Then suddenly when it's something that's knocking on your door, you're like, oh, wow. Like, it's just interesting. It's a new feeling. Yes. How do you feel and not feel it? Wow.

You see that text we just got? Yeah, we got to be a fun text. Someone just confirmed for the culture awards and it's gonna be a lot of fun. Someone we don't really know that well. I know, but I'm excited. There's lots of exciting things happening. We are really, really, really committed to making this a fun show and the artist presale went out very quickly.

We're so grateful. We're sorry if it was frustrating for anybody in terms of procuring them, but the sort of end goal of all of this is that this can be shared with everyone. We've said this in the past, but I think it bears repeating that it's going to be great. Everyone's going to be pleased. We hope. It's going to be the most fun.

Thank you for selling it the fuck out yet again, like you guys do. You guys are the best. It'll be the best one yet for sure. You know what? I finally got to watch all of which we were in, but I didn't get to actually consume as a whole was overcompensating. Overcompensating. Have you watched?

I am up to our episode. Yeah. It's funny because the one thing I had been hearing was what year is it? What year is it? Can I say one of my favorite things about the show is that we don't know what year it is. I think it's like one of the most fun things about it is like her singing My Chemical Romance. Yes, it's I like that.

It's in that way. It's this meta comment on like this could be any year. You know what? Because it can. And I feel like and I'll just talk openly and honestly about this because there were some people I was talking to that were like, oh, he's it's about him coming out of the closet. Like, how is that gonna play in 2025? People forget that, and it's resonating so much with so many people

because maybe you, the royal you, feel like you're beyond that conversation about being accepted and it being a normal thing to be gay, but not everyone is. No. Like, I feel like our culture, like, really warped speed, like, traveled through, you know, what it means to... Like, the love simony type of gay thing, right?

It's like... And I remember the discourse at the time was like, oh, this is an incredibly, like, white gay experience. He had, like, incredibly accepting parents, et cetera. Like, it didn't seem like it was that hard for him and etc. But I remember at the time being like, right, but you do need something like this in order to broach the subject on like a commercial way. And all these years have gone by and you see like the story about like, you know, this kid, he's in a very attractive guy. He's obviously smart. He goes to Georgetown. He still has an incredibly difficult time coming out.

And yeah, you don't know when it takes place. But I think that that's all outside of the fact, which is that people want to see stories, whether they're gay and it's coming out or whatever, about I'm not sure if I'm my true self, if people are going to accept me. And that does it's less about like it being a queer thing or whatever. Because it's the central question of the show is are people gonna love me if I really show them who I am? And that is universal. And the reason why, I mean, look, we've done a lot of press

about our projects where we're like, oh, we're just so refreshed that we're involved in something that is not a coming out story. Like there are other queer stories to be told, but the appeal of a coming out story is always that it is legibly about an completely internal sort of like journey. Yeah. That is what makes overcompensating a compelling show.

It's like, oh, like you don't have to see this guy be out of the closet just yet. There are in fact like the the Owen Thiele like character, Thiele character is like the perfect sort of like foil to that where it's like where it does make it somewhat relevant to now where it's like in a world that seems like it is people have already figured themselves out ahead of you like how does that make you feel I feel this way still as a queer person I'm like yeah wow I'm so stunted in all these different ways I feel completely insecure about all these things. Like, that is... And I've been out of the closet for half my life now.

It's like, this is an incredibly universal thing, and that is probably what they discussed when they were trying to figure out the story of the series. Yeah. So, I have made it to the end, and I'm just gonna say spoiler alert, like... Because maybe not everyone's at the end, but in the final episode of the show, like Benito goes over to Owen who like Benito, I'll say something about both their performances in a second after I got through this,

which I'm so blown away by everybody in the show, but Benito goes up to Owen after he's, you know, kind of denied that they're friends in front of some straight guys. Some straight guys see Benito talking to Owen and they go, Oh, are you guys friends? And Benito says, no, we're not friends, like right in front of him and disregards him. And Owen just really comfortably and just casually just like denies Benito when he tries to like, you know, pick up like they've, you know, nothing has happened, et cetera. And, you know, it's kind of just this moment where this out gay kid who really knows himself is able to just like sort of be the person

who makes Benito like say I need to change what's going on. I guess it's a word salad here, but what I'm remembering is when I went to college and I was that kid, the thing that hurt me the most was when the out gay kids were looking at me like, we see you and it's pathetic. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, and that hurt more than any straight guy testing me or, you know, pushing my buttons because they felt like they knew something about me or any of my girlfriends being a little too knowing. You know, like what really got to me was when an out gay person who felt realized looked

at me and was like No, and then the rejection coming from them. Yeah was like the most painful thing and I do think that is the point Obviously in the series where it's not long after that that things change Well that rejection from an out queer person, let's say just pushes you a little bit further into the closet in my opinion. Whereas, like, you talking to a girlfriend who might know something, or you kind of, like, I don't know, duking it out mentally with, like, a straight guy who's trying to, like, uncover something.

That's you, like, holding the line. That's you, like, holding the line of, like, who you are. Like, I get to control how much I reveal. But then someone judging you or someone thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that you're trying to, like, I get to control how much I reveal, but then someone judging you or someone thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that you're trying to negotiate this is... I think only kind of alienates you. Yeah.

And alienates Benito's character, probably. I have not gotten to that episode yet. It's just like, there... I remember, I was watching it in the beginning, and I was like, oh, is he gonna stay closeted the whole season? And I knew we were in episode six where he was still dealing with that. And he was kind of seeing our characters in like secret cause it was like his first Grindr hookup.

But I mean, my truth was, and I think your truth was, and I can speak for both of us here, is we remained in the closet the entirety of our freshman year. I was obviously a little bit more complicated for you because you had come out prior and it was whatever. But I remember the thing that I can, and if this is like a truthful depiction of what

someone like this is freshman year is like is, yeah, I mean, it might not have been what everyone would have wanted, but I stayed in that fucking closet and talked in a voice like the one he's using in that show for the entirety of freshman year. To the point where it was physically painful. And the fact that he could hold that much discomfort in his body and in his voice and in his performance, like, I don't know, my hat is off to him because it's not a fun place to live.

And it's not where he naturally lives now, knowing him. Totally. I mean, but he... I saw him over the weekend and I was just like, God, there have been so many moments where I've, like, gone back 15 seconds or just paused on frames. Like, he's a really gifted actor. Just an incredible actor and so, so amazing what he's done just as this creator and the star.

We're just so happy. We're just so happy for him. It's just really nice to see, like, the community sort of rallying around this, too. Yeah. And you know what I was thinking, because because I also was pulling that. I was like, wow, it seems like a lot of the queer community, a lot of gay guys are like out here saying saying like, I watched this show, I loved this show, I felt good watching the show, I felt seen watching the show in a way that made me feel really happy and actually reminded me of the reception that we got from Fire Island.

Like I felt like gay guys were not being shy about saying that they loved it and that they watched it and that they were supporting it. And I just feel like sometimes it can feel, you know, from project to project, that the narrative changes a little bit and sometimes can air on the side of, oh, gay guys don't support each other or like, you know, gay guys are the cruelest to each other in media. And I do think to in some regard, that is true. Like, certainly if I ever, you know, want to self-immolate and I want to feel bad about myself, I'll go on. And I know for a fact that the nasty things that are being said about like us or me or our projects are from gay guys. But I really do just want to shout out the fact that like lots of gay guys

support queer projects, like lots of queer people are out here doing that. And I don't want it to get lost in the discussion of like, oh, you know, gay guys can't support other gay guys unless they're drag queens or porn stars. Like, I don't want it to get lost. That's not really true. And I really, and like, I feel like if I were Benito or if I'm myself or if I'm anyone out here with a queer project, like I wouldn't't want to toss, like, queer people, like, gay men under the bus that are supporting that when I do know for a fact that that happens.

I mean, I don't know, I was gonna generalize and say, like, a lot of that animus comes from this insecurity or something, or something internalized, whatever. But I also don't want to, like, sometimes the gay guys are cruel and critical for good reason perhaps. For good reasons, of course. Maybe, obviously those are some cases, but you're right, I agree with you. I mean, I felt it from a lot of cis gay guys, shout out.

Like, I don't know, like sometimes- Couldn't live without you. I went to the Betty Who concert. And it was all gay men. And we both played Webster Hall. And I was just thinking about when the last time I was at Webster Hall, which was my show, my Christmas show, and it was all, it was all KDs. It was all women.

And I was like, it's so funny because like I'm here at this Betty Who show and it's wall to wall gay guys and tank tops being like, it's pride. And we're at the Betty Who show and we know the choreo and we're obsessed. And by the way, shout out to Betty who gets better and fucking better. I love her. You're incredible. And I was a gay guy at your show. Whoo. And I was happy to be. But then I was just thinking, I was like, I wonder what it would feel like for this many gay guys and gay guys to show up for me.

And then I thought to myself, you know what, though? They did. They did. Maybe they weren't at the front, but there were tons of gay guys at my show. And I don't want to keep telling myself the story that like gay guys don't support other gay guys, because it's not true. No, there definitely were. I opened Grindr that night. I was like, whoa, the grid is all within 200 feet. You opened Grindr at my show?

I gotta delete it. I'm on it too much. And it's like people... Oh yeah. And 75% of my messages, this is just a... This is not a complaint. It's just like my landscape. It's just 75% of people being like, is this real?

Oh my God, you're brave. I'm like, no, I'm like horny, in theory, at all times, gay guy. That is, I think, something that I could ask people to strike from their personal thing, is like, is this really you about the people? What I say is, I'd be the most random, actually, I'd be the most random gay person

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You're not feeling good. I am not feeling good about this summer. And that's okay, and it will all blow over. I am like in the gallows. Something's going on, and I gotta talk to my therapist about it. I think I am depressed, because all I wanna do is just play video games when I get up. Thanks to my Switch 2 from Nintendo. Thank you for abetting my depression, Nintendo.

That's just like a way that you like to spend your time. So you waking up and like wanting to do that, it's just like, I think what you're craving is the time to do that. But like, you know, it's obviously been, it's been cuckoo crazy schedule time, but you know. I was just kind of going through it bullet point by bullet point with you last night.

And I had not actually said the words out loud or just like gone through it beat by beat until then. And it was like, well, the last seven months have been... Yeah. ...as eroding as they have been maybe ever. Like I might be in an even... This is not to scare anybody, but like I think I am. I'm just managing it better for sure. This is like, I'm like, oh God, this is not to scare anybody, but like, I think I am, I'm just managing it better for sure.

This is like, I'm like, oh God, this just, I'm reminded of that place that I was at when I needed to take a break from the podcast. And I'm not saying that's what's gonna happen, but I'm like, oh yeah, I really need to just keep crawling and it will be okay, cause that got better and this will get better. And I'm just being real with my sister

and my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful community of readers, Katie's Pulpists and finalists and Kyle's. That, yeah, I'm crisped up, but it's okay. The meat will tenderize soon. I know. And I want you to know that I know you know this. You've noticed. You've clocked it. Well, it's not even about me noticing.

It's just about you knowing that I'm here for you. And then if you need anything. And then if all I ask is that you just don't add anything. Just don't add anything. And that is in your control. It is. Producer Becca says we love you, Bowen. We all love you. No, everyone's Becca too.

Becca had a fun weekend. Do you think, Becca, do you think we would be allowed to go to the Puerto Rican Pride festivities next year? Yes, oh my God, please ask them. It looks so fun. They brought a huge crew of people. I would love to go. And then we'll show up and they'll be like,

what's their name? It was a myriad of people across the diaspora, not Latino diaspora. Let me say that. Of friends that were just like, this is so dope and I want to be involved. I will say the Manhattan parade is giving corporate stakeholders. Yeah, yeah. Like all because that is the true party. Like if you want to go on the island, you go to Bushwick.

I love it. We came out at Maria Hernandez Park. You see all these cars souped up. Everyone's playing Bad Bunny at different locations. Yep. Wow. Just let me know. We'll party. Multiple Bad Bunny streams going on at once.

And I don't just mean what I fantasize about. Exactly. I mean, there were rumors he was going to show up. He did it. It's fine. I'm sad about it, but and say and saying no, I'll say no. He now occupies. There's like an iconic, you know, on Houston. The Calvin Klein has a massive board that is like whoever's the one at the time.

And right now there there is a huge bad bunny Oh, and I love it. There's a picture of Super Producer Anna has one. A picture of her pinching it. Oh wow. Anna you filthy dog. Now that's too much. We don't like that filthy humor. Not on Lost Coach. Not on Lost Coach.

Not on Lost Coach. Do you think that the summer will be improved? We love you, Becca. Give it up for Becca, everybody. Give it up for Becca. God sent. Do you think the summer will be improved by having a legitimate contender for Song of the Summer with Man Child by Sabrina Carpenter?

Because not a single one of these other songs were legitimate contenders until now. No, you're right. I am so thrilled that Sabrina is already kind of locking in as an artist. For as long as it makes her happy and fulfilled is one of those artists who is just not gonna really ever take any big break until she's ready to do that. I love that she's one of those girls who's like,

I'm just gonna keep releasing tracks year round. She's ready to do that. I love that she's one of those girls who's like, I'm just gonna keep releasing tracks year round. She's ready for it. I feel like the thing that sets Sabrina apart from everyone is she actually had years to train for this shit. Oh yeah. Like mama is many albums deep. She now knows exactly who she is because she had the time to develop.

She wasn't bailed on by the industry. She wasn't like embraced by the industry, but no one, it seems like it was like the slowest climb until it just snapped in. And now she is like bazooka with these hit songs. I guess the one thing a couple of my friends were saying was it feels like not a lot of a departure. But my thing is like, if you're locked and loaded with a bop, just release the bop. You know what I mean?

I would say it's like, to me it's giving 15 minutes, but with that 80s synth opening, very good luck babe. Like I love that blend of, like she's going out on, I think Banjo Lex. Love. It fades out on Banjo Lex, but then it starts with like these, bop bop bop, like that 80s kind of thing. And I'm likejo-lex. Love. It fades out on Banjo-lex, but then it starts with like these, bup bup bup, like that 80s kind of thing.

And I'm like, oh love. Yeah. That you've synthesized something kind of newish for us. I love it. I love her as like a low key country artist. Like I love her like super like nine to five aesthetic that she's giving. It felt like nine to five on the road.

It's feeling nine to five meets like Thelma and Louise, like woman of the eighties, early nineties thing. I love the video. It's one of my favorite music videos I've seen in a very long time, just like the amount of setups. I was watching it, wondering, I was like, I wonder if this was storyboarded

or they just like set up a million locations and then got everything. Either way, it is so much fun to watch. It's one that you could watch again and again and again and again and again. She's just fucking got it. Yeah. Star. Full star. We're obsessed. And Jack Antonoff, Amy Allen, and Sabrina Carpenter, that's a trio that should just keep rocking. Keep sticking together. Amy, Yeah, she's everything.

Grammy, Grammy winner, right? She won the Grammy. Yeah, songwriter of the year. Yeah, she might be an interesting person to have on the podcast because like, that's truly that's truly like nuts and bolts. How this how the sausage gets made. I almost said how the salad gets tossed. Yeah. Can I say it's definitely how the sausage gets made. It almost said how the salad gets tossed. Yeah, can I say it's definitely how the sausage gets made? It's not how the salad gets tossed if she's got insights on how the salad gets tossed. I would love to hear that as well

I don't need any tips. Just kidding. Oh God I Did get a DM from a guy? No, maybe it was a Grindr message. And this is how you know it was getting too crazy on Grindr. That was like, I bet you're incredible at eating ass.

And I was like, I gotta put the phone away. I gotta put the phone away. No, one guy recently was like, whatever, sent me a nude. I was like, great. And then he goes, yeah, you like that faggot? And I was like, okay, well now I do have to, I wish I was the kind of person who was turned on by like full, fully full sub.

I don't think I'm full sub. Like I don't like being called slurs. No, I don't like being called slurs or being told what kind of physical pain I'm in. Someone said to me recently, I can't wait to choke you and watch your beautiful eyes fill with tears. No.

And I was like, well, thank you for elements of that sentence. You know what I mean? Like, it's great that you want to fuck me a lot. I'm so happy that you think my eyes are beautiful. I liked when you called me beautiful. Yeah. I liked when you called me beautiful. Well, thanks for saying I'm beautiful. But then when I thought about choking, so well, first of all, I am on the record that I don't think it's funny choking.

It's just for me. Right. And then someone was like, but don't you love poppers? I was like, yeah, I like to pop up. And then they were like, well, you know, it's kind of the same... No, I wouldn't... Kind of the same idea as like cutting off circulation. And I was like, I don't...

I don't know about that. I don't know. This is like a... This is danger. Like I'm putting my hand around my throat. This is like... Yeah. This is like a, this is danger. Like, I'm putting my hand around my throat. This is like, this is a little whatever. Like, our brains are evolved a certain way to register that as like a fear response.

Yeah, like it's giving oh no. You know what I mean? And that's, I guess I always need to be able to breathe. That's a big rule for me. Yeah, that you should be able to breathe. Need to breathe. Need to be able to breathe. At least have the opportunity. Yeah. I have to agree.

Write that down. Write that down. Oh. Write that down for later. One last coach finally fucks. What we could have done overcompensating. Y'all. Here's the tea. Should we say that we got the original script

and we were like, can we pare this back in a little bit? The original script had us making out and we were like, maybe that's a bridge too far. Both like, I don't know, just like for us as friends and for just, I think the scene itself. It would've been a gag. It made me nervous. I was like, I feel like if we ever kiss in film and media,

it has to be on our terms. It can't be in someone else's project. Can I say in hindsight, and not just because the show is a huge success, that would have been a fine place to be like, let's just go for it. You know what I mean? You know what I wish I had done?

I wish I had ad-libbed one thing, which is the last thing while I'm, spoiler alert, jacking off on the Jonathan Adler rug. Yeah, yeah. I wish I had said, I am so in love with you. I love that. I would say something along the lines like you're my husband. That was so crazy, girl.

Wait, you know what Benny said to me? Um, he was like, I was was like shut the fuck up cuz he He was being sweet, but it was like a compliment that didn't sound like a compliment to later But he was like, oh my god, Bowen like I just have to tell you like You out like in the script It was originally get out of our house and you get out of our townhouse I was like that is so lateral shut the fuck up. Like what are you saying? No, people are obsessed with that line, but then later on I'm like, that is so lateral. Shut the fuck up. Like, what are you saying? No, people are obsessed with that line.

But then later on, I'm like, oh, I guess that is like the slightest, that is the serrated edge. That is the bit of, as Emily Oberman describes it at Pentagram, the bit of wit. The thing that is slightly off. It's like, oh, okay, get out of our townhouse. Just, it hits a little bit different

than get out of our house. This is so funny. We're complimenting our own performances. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. By the way, Bowen, I got there in the show and I of course had seen the scene in Isolated because they had sent it over. They were like, oh my God, we love it. We're so excited. So I watched it. I was like, oh my God, yeah, it's gonna be fun. Presented in the show, I was like, this really works because it is a panicky situation for him.

Like when you're following him the whole time, and then you find us with our two creatures. And the way that it starts so kind of like, you know, you think he might be understood and then you come in and it's a whole other fucking thing. It really worked. Yeah. And I love that subtly, I am so the bottom and you are so the top. Mm-hmm.

Like you totally are the top. Like even when you walked in and you go, oh, like that, you said it like a top. Like, you did the whole thing like a top and I did the whole thing like a bottom. A hundred percent. Because you are the top. In that relationship. Davis is the top. I think you're the top in our relationship, to be honest with you. Baby, I'm the bottom. You're the top.

No. I think you talk a lot with us. That's not true. I'm quiet as a mouse. Girl, I'm not topping you in life. I'm not. I'm out here. I feel the bottom.

I feel the bottom. You think you're the bottom with us? Oh yeah. I don't know. I've celebrated that. I've got a record saying, whatever, I like that about us. How are you denoting Bottom? Well, gosh, this is something I have to examine too. Oh.

I'm denoting Bottom as Sub. Huh? No. Because of that directionality. I don't find you to be Sub. Okay. Socially, friendship-wise. Really?

No, but I also don't think you're dominant. I just. Socially, friendship-wise. Really? No, but I also don't think you're dominant. I just think you're the top. God, can I just say, God, this is gonna sound so annoying, but with like the night that I had off, I was like, I'm gonna go and meet this guy for drinks. Sure.

Barely got a word in it twice. I'm like, this is my biggest pet peeve. And you know, I was talking to Lily Glad, Lily, about this during press. I was like, we did this like them speed dating thing. I don't think they used this part, but they were like... One of the questions was, what's your biggest pet peeve in any of this? I was like, I think mine is just...

just not saying a peep. I've gotten so many dates lately where I just don't say a peep. I don't get asked anything. Yeah. And then Lily was like, that's probably because they... it's people who know it's you and also they are nervous and all these things. I'm like... But like at the end of the day,

no matter what the dynamic is, if it's a date, it's like, it should be equitable. It should be an equitable conversation. That's my radical opinion. Am I wrong? No, you're 100% right. I do think Lily is probably right. Like I would imagine that people obviously come

with an idea of recognition for you and their therefore baggage about the situation. And so they're probably coming to the table thinking, well, I'm going to show that I'm valuable as well by sharing a lot when meanwhile, it's like what you really want to do is be actually understood. Or just on a date. Yeah, just be on a date. You know what I know about you, even though I have not

witnessed it firsthand, I bet you're a great fucking date. And I'm going to say I'm a great fucking date. I bet you are. Hundred. I try, I try, I try to make it so easy for the other person. Hence me like nodding along, listening. I'm with them every, every step of the way as they unfurl their life towards, life towards me.

And I retain all that information. I really do. So that the next time, if there's a next time, I like follow up. I just, I wish I could be afforded that. Yeah. I think that's, well, and now I think in stating it out loud, this is one way to do that. Hopefully someone out there takes the note.

I guess I'm wondering now to myself, because I always feel like when we're talking about dating, it's so easy to be like, other people be like, or like, I hate when this. Totally. And I'm trying to ask myself the question of like, if I could take accountability, what could I do better with dating?

I know, I know already what mine is. What's yours? It's, I'm so bad at the texting back, and that is just across the board a problem I have. That's just across the board. Something that I have with you, with our friends. Like it's like, it's just something that infects every part of my life. What about you?

I don't feel left unread by you ever. It's great to think that I could get even swifter responses. You can leverage. I think my thing is I just bring other experiences into. That's okay. It's so hard not to. Yeah. I sometimes have to extra remind myself that, you know, other people I've dated are not in the room with us when I'm on a new one and like I don't, like I'm talking to a new person, not someone I can project something on from older situations, but that's my thing. And also just knowing what I want to begin with.

Totally. Cause I think we could, I could personally save a lot of people a lot of time if I were just like, maybe this is not what you want. Yeah. Aye, aye, aye. Cause for me, it's no longer the thing of like, I feel like I'm performing on a date or I feel the need to stunt on a date or like win a date. Like that's something I'm over. It's other things now.

It's like, why am I here to begin with? And while I'm here, what am I thinking about? And what am I anticipating? Yes. That gets in the way. That like colors the rest of it within the date. It's unfair to the other person and myself. Yeah. You know what I mean? I've had a dating trauma.

And I feel like no matter how hard I try, and I'm not saying it's like, it's as much of a problem as it's been. I'm just saying that is my challenge now. Is like, this person isn't going to hurt you necessarily. This is like if you can actually trust what this person says, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, especially as you get into your mid 30s, it kind of feels like less people are likely to bullshit. So give them the opportunity to be genuine. Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all going to be like that.

to be genuine. Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all gonna be like that. I will say, what was done to you is so unusual. Your dating trauma as it was inflicted upon you was of such a deranged... Nature, I was just saying that. I was gonna say nature. It was so extreme and like something that I would not wish upon my worst enemy.

But this is where the accountability comes in. Totally. But I just want to put that out there and like it just, I feel for you constantly in this regard because it's like, God, it could not have happened to like a more undeserving person, whatever deserving means. But you know what I mean? It's like, God, like you can't fucking, like why would you do that? Don't do it to Matt.

Don't do it to anyone. Okay, what were you saying? Accountability. I think the accountability part is also being like, okay, a shitty thing happened to you in your life. Forget about dating, whatever. It's like a relationship, whatever it is. Like where's the accountability?

Cause at a certain point you do have to stop saying like, well, it's because this person was this or wrong place, wrong time, or whatever. Like I've been able to make so many positive changes just about like managing my energy and knowing about people's capabilities through certain situations. Like, and also it has made a lot of other things in my life make sense. Like I will never say to anyone now now like you have to get over it. It's been a long time Right. I mean like now or you know what? It's like I'm grateful for the ups and downs of dating in general because they fill out a landscape of

What that experience is really like in totality so that you can be more sensitive and more generous and more understanding and empathetic with people that they do say that about like heartbreak and about grief is it is miserable to go through but then ultimately that is what makes you human a 360 full human that's what colors in the coloring coloring book of your emotional life are the hard things. It's just fucking tough while you're going through them. And I do think like accountability is important. Sure.

You can give as much as you can get. And like there's one thing being like, oh, I'm going to kick this around with my girlfriends and my sisters and my best friends about like how shitty the situation was. But then there's another element of it which is like, and I could do better too. Of course. And the fact that you even have that mechanism to be like, let me examine myself

is something that the vast majority of people don't have yet. Cause we're just people in our 30s dating, I think for the most part, other people in our 30s, and we're all figuring this out together. That's the thing about dating within your age. Everyone on some levels is developmentally on the same track, but also there is something appealing about dating, for me, older, but then that becomes, but then you have to like parse out,

well, is that a flag of any color for that? You know, it's like, there's just so many different things that you have to think about. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast, Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone. Most of all, his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives.

You're going to want to divorce me. Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No. How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done? You're unable to keep track of all your lies, and quite frankly, I question how many other women

may bring forward allegations in the future. This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception, lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to Betrayal on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Camp Shane, one of America's longest running

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It was really actually like a horror movie. In this eight episode series, we're unpacking and investigating stories of mistreatment and re-examining the culture of fatphobia that enabled a flawed system to continue for so long. You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad free on iHeart True Crime Plus. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today. DNA test proves he is not the father.

Now I'm taking the inheritance. Wait a minute, John. Who's not the father? Well, Sam, luckily it's your not the father week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This author writes, my father-in-law is trying to steal the family fortune worth millions from my son, even though it was promised to us.

Now I find out he's trying to give it to his irresponsible son instead, but I have DNA proof that could get the money back. Hold up, so what are they gonna do to get those millions back? That's so unfair. Well, the author writes that her husband found out the truth from a DNA test

they were gifted two years ago. Scandalous! But the kids kept their mom's secret that whole time. Oh my god. And the real kicker, the author wants to reveal this terrible secret, even if that means destroying her husband's family in the process. So do they get the millions of dollars back or does she keep the family's terrible secret? Well to hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeart Ready

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You're gonna be gagging. Just get your heart ready for heart failure. Let's live loud and proud, y'all. Have a happy Pride and listen to all the outspoken shows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts in. Sudi is, like, positive that we both have to date older. She's positive. She says it all the time. She's like, well, you both need someone

who's going to take control in her like way of saying that. And I'm just like, see, I wonder though. I wonder. All right. Dating older, quote unquote is different saying that at 35, than saying that at 25. You know what I mean? Like when I was 25, dating older, met like a guy in his thirties. Now dating older at 35 is like, I don't know what like guy in his fifties, you know, like that's, that's someone that's looking for something totally different probably. There's like, so it's, I certainly watch a lot of Daddy Porn.

I'll tell you that. Tell you that. But I'm saying, uh, in terms of taking control, I don't know about that either. All I want, this is all I want. I want someone to know what restaurants to go to. That's all I actually want. And when you say that, do you mean like, you want someone that's gonna take care of the decisions of the life? Yeah.

Yeah. I made a reservation for us here. Meet me here. The cleaning person is coming on Thursday. Like not a a not a nursery I've made, but just someone someone that has that on their mind. Take care of you. I have my like dashboard of life all kind of laid out the way that I wanted to, except in some few deficiencies. And it would be so nice. And this is not a requirement, obviously. And we're just talking.

We're just shooting from the hip here. But it's like, would be so cool, and this is not a requirement, obviously, and we're just talking, we're just shooting from the hip here, but it's like, would be so cool if, like, there was a puzzle piece, like, completing that, you know? Yeah. It's just so funny. It's so fun to fantasize about these things. No, I know. It's fun. I know, because, and I'll tell you what, it's a lot more fun than... Going on the actual dates.

Talking about how many and shit. Totally. Because, like, again, it's like we're talking about earlier about like, you know, gay guys not supporting other gay guys. It's like, yeah, but wouldn't it be fun to think about one that does, you know what I mean? And they do exist. Yeah. Not to say that every time a song like Man Child by Sabrina Carpenter comes out that I'm not

absolutely down to ride load the shotgun, let's go into town. You know what I mean? Like I am down to talk about how manane shit, like in little tiny fun flares, but in terms of a life ideology, I had to, and you know, I think we all have to at a certain point, like clock the stories that we've been telling ourselves and being like, maybe I'm not helping myself by consistently telling myself the same story because

Not everyone is the person that love bombed you not everyone is the person that cheated on you Not everyone is the person that you know Stole your money. Oh, I don't know why that was the third thing. Have you have you been pilfered by a man? Nobody know people that have yikes That's the third thing. Have you been pilfered by a man? Nobody, no people that have. Yikes. Someone that we know was dating someone,

it was found out was only dating them so that they could finance projects of theirs. And then they bailed. Like people are sick. Well, there's one fucking person out there who has never dated me, but owes me money. You gotta tell me after. I gotta tell you, no, I followed up after years

and you know who it is. Oh, I do know who it is. And can I tell you something? That's crazy. I emailed again, I was like, hey, where's my money? And if I see him out in these streets. Say it, say it. It's on site.

It's on site. Man, why you not paying me $400? I'm not confrontational at all. In moments like this, I have no problem bringing it up. And this person's avoided me out in public. And I'm like, dude. Well, of course, how much money is it? Like $700.

Yeah, see, that's not a small amount at all. I want $700,700. Yeah, see, that's not a small amount at all. I want $700, please. Yeah. That is owed to me in the form of services and lodging that I was providing to you and that was agreed upon. God, whatever. You know what's a crazy thing about me? I had the instinct for three quarters of a second.

I was like, I'll just send him the money. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like people are going to be furious if we don't address and just like that. Okay. Let's address and just like that. We have to address that just like that. One thing I'll say, I love the choice for the virgin nun played by Rosie O'Donnell to say, I've never been to New York before. And in a New York accent. That's how I knew we were still cooking. You know what I mean? For Rosie O'Donnell to just launch I've Never Been to New York Before, like in that accent as a virgin nun,

lesbian nun who fucks Miranda, like more of that. Like if I'm behind the wheel, my foot is on the gas for more of that. Right. I am really disoriented by the Aidan stuff. Gotta say. So this five-year thing is loose, and then he shows up for a random thing

because he was just in town, unannounced, comes to the house. Like, a lot of things need some sort of realist texture there. And it just, there's, it's just a slippery fantasy, which is, I guess, what Sex and the City always kind of was, but then at the same time, there were moments of that show that were truly, for lack of a better word, like gritty.

100%. They've got Carrie in a long distance relationship dealing with rats. I said, I don't see this from my girl. It's hard when you have a character that you know is smarter than this, and we're watching her go through this. And I'm like, look, I understand.

Like, I've been there with really trying to make it work with the guy that you believe is the one. But at a certain point, like, she's too old for this shit. And I wonder if it's like, okay, we're building up to like her losing patience with this kind of domesticity and then this breaks off of Aiden and then she goes out into the dating world again. But I don't know that two episodes in a row of home maintenance is the thing that is.

Yeah, I think I but I think we are because this guy that's coming in to do her backyard, they had a lot of sexual tension. And I was just like, oh, what they've done is they're they're essentially putting in an Aiden who's actually available. Because didn't you feel he gave Aiden? Of course. But I mean, L.O.L. at that hair and then the just the belt being loose off of it, off of a loop. Like, I'm like, OK, this is so telegraphed. I love it.

Yeah, he's Aiden. Aiden has come in and suddenly there's an Aiden there that can be available to her. And I'm, I'm hoping she jumps his bones quick. Like, right quick. I just, I need Carrie to be doing more sex in the city. That's, that's what I want from it. That's what we all want. And you know what?

I love the Miranda plot line of She Fucks the Virgin Nun. I was like, yes, this feels like it. Me too, more of that. This feels like it. Okay, any feelings, thoughts, things you want to say about the Wicked for Good trailer? She hit the web hard. Yes. I want to say that the Wicked trailer is but a glimpse.

I mean, what can I say? I can't reveal too much. I want to say that the Wicked trailer is but a glimpse. I mean, what can I say? I can't reveal too much. I love Rulaculture number 90. The trailer is but a glimpse. That's all we can say about that. I want to say that Elphaba's hair literally coming down is a slay to me.

I think that I'm so I'm looking for a big piece of art to put over my new couch. And I think that Elphaba with her hair down, I think I would like a, let's say, 80 by 30... God, that's a no. ...a huge piece of statement art for my living room, which is Elphaba with her hair down, having just, like like fucked it up.

I need that. 80 inches is almost, I would say, seven feet. Oh, it's so big. Seven feet. So right now I'm like, I'm like I hired an interior designer and I fucking love her. I'm so excited. And we're talking about like, so you have to make a big decision once you put in your couch. It's like when you think about what's going to go above it, is it like a lot of

different things? Is it shelving? Is it asymmetry or is it one big art? I think you want one big art. I think I want one big art. And I'm joking that it's Elphaba. But am I? Can you imagine if I, if I, if trade came over here and they're like, Hey, so excited. We finally connected. Yeah, that was really good meal and drinks as well. I really enjoyed the film we saw and when we ice skated on our date. Excited to go into your apartment. Opens the door, comes in, dick a little hard,

sees Alphaba on the wall. What's the craziest decor you've seen Trade have when they've hosted? This is a good question. I have an answer so immediate. What is it? Bowen Yang, what is the craziest decor you've seen trade display? Sweet older gentleman in Midtown.

I walk in and... There's no inch of wall in this apartment that was not covered in like a plastic, I should say, like a little tiny sculptural Disney movie. Oh, God. It's so rough. In a way, in a way, because I, and by the way, I am not unreceptive to that. No, you know us, you love us.

It was a maximalism to a degree that I was like, this is... This is a lot. And he was like, I know it's a lot. I was like, it's a lot. You weren't ready for it, much less horny for it. Oh, wow. So you actually were okay. I looked past it, but on the way out, I was like, God damn, that's a giant Maleficent. You know, like it was that kind of thing.

I was like, this is the Brian, Ryan Murphy's grotesquerie. Yeah. I mean, I guess I have two. One, none as specific as that, but one, I went over a guy's apartment to hook up, and I was, he had so much art hung up, and it was kind of beautiful. But everything I asked about, he's like, oh, what's this? He told me that his ex-boyfriend had hung it up.

Shut up. He's like, oh yeah, my ex- He told me that his ex-boyfriend had hung it up. Shut up. He's like, oh, yeah, my ex-boyfriend hung that up. You can leave that out. Oh, yeah. My ex-boyfriend put that on that wall. Oh, yeah. This this is a picture that my ex-boyfriend framed. I was just like, what? What about the contents of the picture? It was always secondary. So that and then one time I took it doggy from someone in a room that was a hoarder's room.

It was, I just, it's like when you meet someone and they're incredibly put together, and you're like, well, there's no way that it's going to be two feet of clothes on the ground that we have to climb over. If you're even thinking about having someone come over, there has to be a path to the bed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if there's no path to the bed, there's no path forward. That's actually real culture number 40. If there's no path to the bed, there is no path forward.

Some of these girls, the bedding is barely on. Like the just the sheets are just like, you know, you don't have to have a full bedding set. But sometimes, the mattress protector is like halfway off, and I go, oh, well, we should figure this out. Also, yes, and what do you feel about pageantry with a towel on the bed? No, no. I'm kind of like...

Can we not? Like, I don't want wanna fuck on a towel. No. Although I did have the algorithm work on me once and I bought one of those like, those like cum throws. Like anal sex throw, like a cum throw. I've used it once, but it does kind of break it where I'm like, hold on, hold on.

And I gotta like fish it out of the closet and put it out. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And it's a nice feeling. And it's not a towel for God's sake. No, I mean, one time I'm getting fucked by a guy and trust me, like I've taken care of business. Yeah, oh yeah. I'm in the anal sex game now almost, you know, 15 years.

We're good at this. So I'm thinking like around 27, 28, you kind of learn like, okay, I'm not the age where I can just like hop on dicks anymore. So you know, it's not always a perfect science, but now I'm at the point where like, if I'm going to be bottoming, like, don't worry about it. I figured it out. And if there, if something goes down, like it's not crazy, like we're all adults here,

whatever. So I was, you know, recently, not recently, about a year ago, like a guy was like, can I fuck you? And I was like, yes. And then he's like, we should get a towel. I'm like, it's really okay. And he was like, mmm, let's get a towel. At my house, at my house.

And I'm like, no, I'm like, what about looking at me in my beautiful eyes? Says, I'm in a shit everywhere. I don't think I was given that and I don't think I give that. I'm one of those gay guys that's like, I don't fart. Ask Jared. I don't fart. You don't fart. Dated me a year.

I'm one of those I don't fart gays. I don't like it. Because anytime I fart, you really get scandalized. I have what I would describe as a full body response. But your farts sound like an angry Egyptian king. Yeah, they're pretty bad. I should get that checked. Yours are the loudest sounds on the scale of sound,

and mine are silent, but I can't believe I'm saying this, but they're bad. So you do fart. No, that was just for you. I really don't fart. The only reason I have a butthole is for sex. Promise. Promise. Entrance only. Anyways, but I was like, shut up.

Like I'm telling you, it's fine. No, that's, that's disgusting. No, get out. You're not fucking me. And now I'm like, okay, let me get up and get it. Like I'm like, I'm telling you, it's fine. Also, if we're in my house and I say it's fine, it's fine. Totally.

Oh, I don't like that. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone. Most of all, his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No. How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done?

You're unable to keep track of all your lies. And quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward allegations in the future. This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception, lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to Betrayal on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results. Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left. In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution. But behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children was a dark underworld of sinister secrets. Kids were being pushed to their physical and emotional limits as the family that owned Shane turned a blind eye. Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie.

In this eight-episode series, we're unpacking and investigating stories of mistreatment and re-examining the culture of fatphobia that enabled a flawed system to continue for so long. You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free on iHeart True Crime Plus. So don't wait, head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today. DNA test proves he is not the father. Now I'm taking the inheritance. Wait a minute, John, who's not the father? Well, Sam, luckily it's your not the father week

on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This author writes, my father-in-law is trying to steal the family fortune worth millions from my son, even though it was promised to us. Now I find out he's trying to give it to his irresponsible son instead, but I have DNA proof that could get the money back. Hold up, so what are they gonna do to get those millions back?

That's so unfair. Well, the author writes that her husband found out the truth from a DNA test they were gifted two years ago. Scandalous! But the kids kept their mom's secret that whole time. Oh my god. And the real kicker, the author wants to reveal this terrible secret, even if that means destroying her husband's family

in the process. So do they get the millions of dollars back or does she keep the family's terrible secret? Well, to hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeart ReadyWAP Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. It's your girl, Tia Madison,

from the Outspoken Podcast Network from iHeart Podcast, honey. And you know what time of year it is, y'all. We're doing Pride in a big, big way. Come celebrate with Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bo and Yang. Her haircut on an M&M is so iconic. That's how you make an M&M a girl. You give it Lisa Rinna's hair.

Keep the party going with high key. I am high key going to lose my mind over all things Caldwell Carter. Girl, the way she about to yank my bank account. Friday Words with George M. Johnson. My book was read at a Senate judiciary. Yes, wow, we both been read on the Congress floor. And a special shout out from comedian Lisa Lampanelli and her podcast, Shrink This.

Hi, happy pride for all who celebrate and who doesn't. from comedian Lisa Lampinelli and her podcast, Shrink This. Hi! Happy Pride for all who celebrate and who doesn't. Let's live loud and proud, y'all. Have a happy Pride and listen to all the outspoken shows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts in. And just like that, we've arrived at I Don't Think So Honey. It's time.

Yeah. This is our segment where we take one minute to really take the piss out of something in culture. And I have something. Do you have something? I do have something. Okay. This is great.

This is Matt Rodgers' I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that the actress Jen Lyon is not a household name. So I watched the English teacher again and so enjoyed it. And she does the best guest acting in a comedy performance I have ever seen. Literally start the conversation right now.

That needs to be an Emmy nomination for Jen Lyon in English Teacher. This performance is funny. It was layered. It was everything. And I was like, where have I seen her before? The answer? Everywhere. She was on the show Claws, which was an underrated show with Nisi Nash. It was a Nisi Nash vehicle that also had a really great performance from Karuchi Tran, by the way. Like this show was gold.

And then you peel back the layers. You realize Jen Lyons lays it in so many things. This is one of the funniest, most like complex, like depth giving actresses that's out there. And I need her to be known and I need her to be cast in all things. I don't think so, honey, that she's not. That's one minute. Thank you. But also she is.

But also she is. So it's like, it's yeah, she's, she's, this is what we call, you know, a rising star. I was lucky enough to serve on the jury of the Gotham TV Awards and I did supporting performance in a comedy series. And that was one of the reasons why I was rewatching English Teacher because Sean Patton was nominated. He's excellent. We ultimately gave the award to Perna Jagannathan from Deli Boys, a show that Sudhi wrote for and she's also great on,

but I feel like people aren't talking about, and it's a really great show. So basically, I come here to say, watch those shows that you've been meaning to watch that people have been telling you about because they've got stuff like this Gen Lion performance, which just affected me in such a way. And I was laughing. I laugh out loud at that show. Like the kids in it are, it's the best like kid acting I've seen in a really long time.

Oh, that's so fun. No, just to have like authentic teens, like saying these lines that are really well-written comedy, but the way they say it is so dropped in, like it feels real. It doesn't feel like kids are acting, which is so hard. I know. I know. Shout out if a lot of plays we were putting out, The Tonys. Oh, yeah. And shows taking place at schools in the classroom.

A shout out to anyone who runs a production or does, has to corral children of any kind. You deserve a billion dollars, okay. When are you seeing John Proctor as the villain? I cannot wait. I'm seeing it on the 14th, right before we go to France. I can't wait for you to see it and talk to you about it. I'm so excited.

Okay, so, Bowen Yang, you had, and I don't think so, Honey, to do. Mm-hmm. And I'm excited about that, to hear it. Great. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey, as time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, having a mat I don't think so honey. Having a matinee on Tony's Sunday. I think making these poor people, some of them love to do it and shout out, but I say you give them a day to pamper themselves up to really, you know,

get the microcurrent machine going on the face or get the little wax that they might have not had time during the rest of the week when they have seven other shows, maybe seven other shows, maybe six other shows, let's say. Fine, they don't have a Sunday night show. I just think these people deserve a day off, a mandated day off on Tony Sunday. And then I was thinking, you know what?

I was thinking last night, my girl Audra changes into the Mama Rose getup, then has to, we know Broadway loves a quick change, these actors love a quick change, then has to quick change back into her gorgeous gown. I say, take the stress out. I used to love a quick change, but now I go, don't touch, let me just sit.

Cause you wanna just, these people deserve to just sit. I know that they're working with a lot of, you know, inertia and momentum and they have to keep moving, but just, I give them a moment to just be still. And that's one minute. I couldn't believe that that was the second time Audra had done that that day. In that day.

Giving 110%, like you were saying? I was so shook by the end of that performance. She's one of our best. And now I think if you haven't seen it, if you listen back to when I first saw it, which was in previews, you kind of get what I mean when I say, we're going to go on Wednesday by the way, we're taking Sooty. I can't wait.

I'm so excited for you to see it. It's great. But you get what I mean when I say that I believe that this angle on Rose was talking more about her as someone who was like mentally ill. Like you're not frightened of Rose at Rose Rose's turn. You're frightened for her. Yes. And by the end I was like, I was like, yeah, I felt her anguish in a way where I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like in such a crazy way. And also she does eight shows a week. She doesn't have an understudy go on, not one day. And a lot of the other people can't say that.

She does eight. She does eat. She does eat. That is Audra McDowd. Fucking legend. Fucking legend. Fucking legend for all time. And I thought just the right amount of addressing it at the show last night with Oprah saying, a lot of people talking. Yeah. This was absolutely lovely to get to know you better. I really got to know you and your sexual experiences. Taking a doggy in a messy room without a clear path to the bed.

That's hiking. That's a hike. Doggy in a messy room without a clear path to the bed. To the bed. Is this a Sabrina Carpenter lyric? Uh-huh. Speaking of that, we end every episode with a song. Manchild Why you always come around and copy

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