Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Huge Fornicators" (w/ Cate Blanchett)

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

Turns out that we, too, can command the winds, sir! Because CATE BLANCHETT, star of the new film Black Bag and (duh) countless other incredible films is here on Las Cultch for a very fun conversation! But first, a culture catch-up! Matt and Bowen run through their experiences at the Oscars, its after parties, and Gaga's episodes of SNL and LAS CULTURISTAS (which we still cannot believe). Then, the true GOAT of acting sits with our hosts to talk about what wearing white sneakers may mean for your sex life, Barbie and doll culture, Sydney's embrace of gay culture, and experiences at Berghain. Also, Cate weighs in on whether there are too many televised award shows, discusses her fascination with ribbon dancing and rhythmic gymnastics, and unpacks her lack of an acting process. And you KNOW that Tár is thoroughly discussed! All this, the word "buddy", the phrase "hakuna matata" and the nightmare of a toilet seat left up. You wanna fuck me, Barbara?!?! If not, it's fine! We hope you enjoy this episode anyway :) Black Bag is in theaters now!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look man, oh, I see Look over there is that, is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Just for warning, you're gonna hear that twice.

We're gonna ding dong again because we are not currently with our guest of this episode which you can probably see now based on the title is with the one and only, Cate the one and only Cate Blanchett. Cate Blanchett. Got a new movie, Black Bag. It's great. It's great.

I was actually like, I was watching Black Bag and then I was gonna choose another thing from her filmography to watch again before this. There's so much I got overwhelmed. You got antsy. I got antsy. When you're at the bookstore. Yeah.

There's so many options. Not even just little options where it's like, oh, it could be that, could be that. Big, delicious options. It's like a Cheesecake Factory, her filmography. It's a menu with a spiral spine. This is a Ruliculture, if I've ever heard one. This is a Ruliculture number 94? Yeah, 94.

Yeah. K-Blankchats Filmography is like the menu at a Cheesecake Factory. The options. What were you, were you juggling? Did you like whittle it down to a final selection? I mean, there's always tar. Yep. You at a cheesecake factory. The options. What were you, were you juggling? Did you like whittle it down to a final selection? I mean, there's always tar.

Yep. There's always tar, but the thing about tar is, it is the, let's just call it the big stake of options because it's so, it's long. It's a big old film. And it's the most Kate you're gonna get. It's the most bang for your buck Kate Blanchett you're gonna get.

Yes, but having already seen that several times. Right. And then I thought, why don't we do Carol? And I thought, I was like, this could be good, but I've also seen that a couple of times. And then I thought Notes on a Scandal, which is ultimately what I went with, because I know that's what you went with. That's what I went with.

This is my favorite film in her filmography, we'll tell you. Notes on a Scandal? I think it is. Because I love melodrama. We are off track, so the reason why we're doing this is because we want to give you a little bit of a culture catch up. We are off track. So the reason why we're doing this is because, cause we want to give you a little bit of a culture catch up.

We know that people have been sort of desiring this. Because a lot has happened in the last month. Where do we start? In our lives and of course in the grand scheme of things. But we just thought we'd give you like a little sort of hybrid episode. And I feel like someone like Cate Blanchett deserves a sort of like little preamble because it's just gonna be a lot.

Yeah, I also thought to myself, I'm like, what if Cate Blanchett came in here and we did like a traditional intro and Cate Blanchett, the legendary Cate Blanchett was just sitting here? So we'll probably do like a 30- second intro for her and just get into it because I actually can't bear the thought of her Sitting here while we're like so what's the thing about like my favorite soup is or whatever dumb shit we would say. Mm-hmm What's your name? Thank you for asking. I was just wanted to say New England clam, but it's hard to pick a favorite soup It's so hard. I don't think but it's hard to pick a favorite soup. It's so hard. I don't think so, honey, having to pick a favorite soup.

And it feels like the pressure is always on to choose a favorite soup nowadays. Well, I feel like that's a self-invented pressure because you just brought that up as like an example. You don't feel that pressure day in and day out? Ever since Hale and Hardy has disappeared from New York City, I know I'm no longer making the decision of what soup do I want today.

It is nose-dived and it makes me sick because it used to be like the only thing that gave me joy was to like pick a new soup. And now I just don't encounter soup as much as I would like. Excuse me. First of all, let me tell you something. Hale and Hardy, that was a great American institution. And I'm so disappointed in all the consumers of America

and everyone that eats food out there. What you did, what you allowed to happen to Hale and Hardy is unacceptable. Because where else are you going to get, I'm sorry, 12, 13, sometimes 14 options of soup? When you see Moroccan lentil on a menu. Add to cart. Add to cart because you're lucky to have that opportunity.

And now. Unbelievable. I'm sorry. There have been rumors for, I wanna say decades now. Sick of rumors starting. Rumors starting that it's coming back. No, it's not. No, it's not. Shut up. I've heard this for years. No, it's not. No, it's not. Shut up. I've heard this for years.

No, it's 2025. We don't have optimistic thoughts anymore. Who are you? Who are you, the one that got away and picked up and moved to a different town and you're like, I'm thinking of moving back into New York. Lose my number. Lose my number.

If that's who you are, VIAV, hail on Hardy coming back. VIAV, ooh. You know, VIAV. Vis-a-vie. So in French, if it's- You don't think that VIAV is more fun? It's very fun.

It's not the French way to say it. But you can say VIAV. You better, you have to understand, nowadays, Bowen has to be helping me with this because we're going to Europe. We're going to Europe. Very tar-coated. She would fly back and forth, you know?

Yeah, a cultured woman. With secrets. Can't wait to ask Cate Blanchett if she has secrets too. We were talking about soup. We were talking about soup. We were talking about preamble. Culture catch up. Favorite role is notes on a scandal.

Oh, this is what I was going to say. RKPFKs, Ks. Whatever. RKPFKs, Ks, whatever. RKPFKs. We're missing a K. What? RKPFK. Yes, you're right.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's getting unwieldy. I was gonna say, hold me to account. I want to ask her if she thinks, well, I guess, is there any use to this? I wanna be like, do you think they would make notes on a scandal now? Like you would not be able to have like K-Blanchett

make out with a teenager. Not just make out, fuck in a train yard. Can I tell you something? She fucks that kid. Shit. I mean, and listen, it's- But that's the whole crux of the film. That's the scandal.

I didn't write it. Podcast on a scandal. Oh my God, that's the sequel. That's the sequel. Starring us. Wait, who's Kate and who's Judi Dench? I'm Judi. I love that you really- You're Sheba.

I am. Here I am! I- I do think what we should do, and it will be embarrassing, but we should say the iconic line to Kate. You think this is a love affair? You wanna fuck me, Barbara?

You wanna fuck me, Barbara? How come I thought you think this is the love of it? Was clearly you wanna, fuck you know what? I have a you wanna fuck me Barbara t-shirt that I had made as a rap gift for game show and it's in LA. I didn't wear it today. Where's your Lydia Tarr Innocent t-shirt?

Oh my God, we should have worn that. It's okay. I'm literally thinking can we make it home? No. This sucks. It's okay, we should have worn that. It's okay. I'm literally thinking can we make it home? No. This sucks. It's okay. We'll just tell her.

We'll show her the photo. We should both have been wearing our Lydia Tartt is innocent t-shirts. What if she had been like, you know, she's not. She's not. She was an awful woman. She drops in. She's like, this is, I don't like this at all. I don't agree with this.

This is our culture catch up portion of the episode. Yes. So let's just make the list now. Let's just make the programming. Okay. Lady Gaga was on Lost Coach. Bowen sang with Lady Gaga in two sketches and became best friends. Matt was front row at the Oscars. Don't do this. Bowen presented at the Oscars. It's not Matt was front row at the Oscars. No. I have been such a happy accessory this past month. You have no idea. I feel like the most beautiful purse in the world. Stop it.

No, stop. I love it. You, I feel like I'm your emotional support animal and I'm so happy about it. But you know, it's like, it's like when a movie star, it's like when an actress like brings her dog to a red carpet Let's say like it's someone like Demi Moore brings. Oh that dog. I forget the name. We're gonna call him Pip Pip It's like well, everyone's everyone's obsessed with Pip. You know what I mean? I mean, you know, it's really happened is we've fulfilled the prophecy. I'm busy. I'm busy

Phillips You are Michelle I'm busy. Phillips. You are Michelle. I'm busy. The prophecy has been fulfilled. There's officially a gay Michelle Williamson. Busy Phillips? No, no, no. I am not Michelle.

You are not busy. And that is both like, that would be a disservice to both of them and us. Excuse me. I'm saying this with all the love in the world. Of course. For both of those legends. And I'm saying it with a lot of love for us. For us. But I'm saying like, all the love in the world for both of those legends, and I'm saying it with a lot of love for us. But I'm saying like, there's something about,

listen, I'm walking on to the red carpet of the Oscars and it's people, everyone being like, Matt Bowen, Matt Bowen! They are not! In a way that was like, that filled me with such profound joy. I was like, yes. We slayed the glam bot.

We slayed the glam bot and we're just like. And they're talking about it. I can't believe I'm here with my best friend at the Oscars and we're like. Putcha. Putcha, putcha, putcha hearts up. And it's really, I still have to journal about SNL 50. I feel like RKPFKF, JK, we're not totally satisfied

with our SNL 50 recap. No, they weren't. We're happy to go into more detail with that. Let's just say, let's say top highlights. Let's start there, SNL 50. Top highlights for you. Waving at Cher backstage, doing the pre-tap with Andy Samberg, which was so much fun.

Just loving the moments that we shared together with everybody. It felt like this wonderful family reunion. It felt like we were all sort of giving each other... It was like a Dickensian experience of like everyone was being visited by the ghosts of SNL, Past, Present, Future, in a way that was actually not terrible. Like we were all screwed and we all were waking up on Christmas morning.

Like, God bless us, everyone. And that was the highlight for me. Yeah. I mean, everyone was obsessed with Matt working the carpet. That was fun. I will say one of the highlights after it for me was when, so you've been on it before, but I made my at Nicky C Bell debut on TikTok. We love Nicky. Obsessed, deeply obsessed. And I was so, of course watching it, bed rotting, like watching the TikTok in bed and then-

Like Nicky is. Yeah, exactly. We were very much simpatico there. I was like, I want to lay down too and be lazy looking at my TikTok. And then I see myself and he goes, not the right color. And I, so then I wasn myself and he goes, not the right color. And I, so then I wasn't following him,

so I followed him, which was a mistake on my part. And he sends me a message and he goes, he revealed himself as a reader. I don't know how he identifies. Oh my God. He's a finalist. I go, just so you know, it wasn't as bright in person. Great.

And what do you say to that? And he goes, okay, I get it. Yeah, totally. But I loved it. Oh my God. Because it do you say to that? And he goes, okay, I get it. Yeah, totally. But I loved it. Oh my God. Because it's a celebration to even be on there. Of course. Love that.

He had to press save on a photo of you. He he he. You know what I mean? It didn't look that bright in person. Like I absolutely loved what I wore. The blue? Oh, so good. Thank you.

It wasn't even like a, it was not like a jewel tone. It was not even, but it was not. Certainly not. But it was still. Can you imagine me in a jewel tone. It was not even, but it was not. Certainly not. But it was still. Can you imagine me in a jewel tone at the SNL 50? Absolutely not. But it was just like a deep sumptuous blue.

Yeah, it was great. By the way, I don't know why. I pictured me in a jewel tone at SNL 50 and this was the pose. Like, wait. Like, like Lea Michelle. Like, yeah, like taking your two hands on me me and putting pushing like your hips forward and like this Clavicle no your clavicle first and you just hear you just hear Matt Matt Matt

And you know what they always say to me big smile a big smile big smile chin up chin up chin up That was that's too much chin down a little bit of a smile over here and they're always over Oh, you know what we should do even when our backs of our outfits are really bad just go over the shoulder I love an older. I love that. I like your fucking Gwyneth. Oh Anyway, those are fucking good. I thought he was amazing Oscars Oscars You really did crush that present thing and there was BTS It was back-and-forth whether or not that bit was gonna happen. And you stuck to your guns.

I stuck to my guns. The producers pitched the idea, the producers and the writers, wonderful team there. They're just like, for working the Oscars, they are a cool, chill bunch. They're like, yeah, whatever. It's like, these people do it. This is their thing year in, year out.

You know what I mean? They know how this all works. They're at the Dolby, they know where the bathrooms are. And it was so much fun. I stayed up after SNL, got on a plane, took a little gummy, conked out, woke up, went straight to the Dolby, felt great, did the bit, had lovely stand-ins, saw the rehearsal for the Oz medley with the stand-ins and I was still gagged. I was like, it's not even Cynthia and Ari doing it. I'm still like in tears.

You actually just saw that like stand-ins. It was these stand-ins who like were slayed. Yeah. Who like were not, I would say like maybe they were professional vocalists and singers, but they were just like, but I even saw the shot of Ari in the background. Like the two shot. Oh, that was a great shot.

And it was just like Miss Thing, a blonde girl in the back, just kind of watching this other woman on the raised platform. And I was like, this is gonna fucking. The stand-ins for them, just seeing the staging. And me and all of Conan's background dancers for the opening bit, we were all just dying backstage being like, this is so fun.

I also wanna say in terms of stand-ins, shout out to whoever was sitting next to me for 90 minutes. So first of all, Bowen says to me beforehand, we're sitting in the front row. I said, you better shut the fuck up. And he goes, also, I can't be with you for like, he goes, the first 40 minutes. The first 40 minutes.

Because I'm presenting the fourth award and I have to get into the costume because we are doing that bit. Like, it went back and forth about whether that was gonna happen because it was gonna be a big costume change for you. It was gonna be a big costume change, and they weren't sure they were gonna have the proper rehearsal time with me

because I was flying in the day of. So it might not have happened. And so I told Matt, I budgeted 40 minutes. It was the full first 90 minutes of the show. It was 90, and literally literally I'm with this seat filler the whole time and she probably 70 minutes in turns to me and goes, where is Bowen? And I go, am I not fun or are you not enjoying

being at the Oscars? She was in great vibe, but I will say. She had to go to the bathroom. Probably, but also I think she was just like... There was a little bit of like... Did something happen? There was a little bit of like, I feel bad that Bowen isn't in his front row seat at the Oscars.

And I was just like, I mean, I hope he comes soon. I'm enjoying you. Yes. But like I do want... Because I knew you wanted to be out there watching it because... Absolutely. You missed, obviously, Cynthia and Ariana, which was amazing. I missed the Bond thing.

The Bond tribute. I missed the Bond thing. The Bond tribute. Of Lisa and Doja and Rey. And Margot Qualie. And Margaret, oh my God, Margaret. Yeah, I mean, and it was, I will say, sitting there for 90 minutes and looking to my left

and just seeing all those people, I was like. What the fuck? You know what I was really proud about? I was like, wow, I've really managed my anxiety. Cause I was sitting there chewing. Wow, I'm so proud of you. And I think a year ago I wouldn't have been like that. I think I would have been like, mm. was really proud about I was like wow I've really managed my anxiety because I was sitting there wow I'm so proud and I think a year ago. I wouldn't have been like that. I think I would be like But I was like okay. It's okay. It's okay. Okay. I'm okay. I was channeling Tate You were channeling Tate. Tate would be cool as a cucumber in front row at the Oscar. I think so

Yeah, I think she'd be like this is cool man. This is cool, yeah. Why would that be the impression? But you did finally come out, and we got to see the last half of the Oscars together. Yes, it was just as fun. It was great. I mean, the wins went as expected until... That was a sad moment when Demi lost, but Mikey's so fucking great in that movie. No, it's like, that's what's... it's not like an out and out snub necessarily, but it is just a thing of like, God, there's just something about the expectation being sort of slowly downloaded into you.

Correct. Like as just as on a human level, like if you are told like over several months that like, It's yours, it's yours, it's yours. Something's gonna happen to you, something great, and it doesn't, that is very just Something's gonna happen to you, something great. And it doesn't. That is very, just for lack of a better word, devastated. And with a camera in your face,

the moment it doesn't happen, like, here's what I'll say. After that, and you know, I love Enora. I think Mikey Madison's incredible. I actually think it was even better on the second time I watched it. I think that that performance is great, especially when you see how dissimilar she is to that character.

I think she deserved to win. But it's just tough when there's so many of these award shows. It makes you feel like, is it a little too much? Is it? I would say, sure, absolutely. Right after another, after another, it feels like a job that can't possibly have

any reward outside of like ultimately if you do win and only one person can and if you happen to like you make yourself like a fashion moment which by the I'll say again Brad Goreski absolutely crushed it with Demi all season. I hope she feels good. I'm sure she feels good. I'm sure she does and it makes me go to answer your question like is this too much like Kill me for saying this it makes me go like well for culture awards. I think we should like build out precursors Oh, no, the culture awards will have 20 made-up precursors. No, there's gonna be a brunch

There's gonna be there's gonna be a lot of governor's ball a lot of precursors like it We're actually gonna create many other small awards with guilds that we create. Actually, there's gonna be a reader awards, a publisher awards, a Katie awards, a finalist awards, and the Kyle awards. And you're gonna get to sign up for the guild. This actually is happening in real time.

We've not discussed this. We've not discussed this, but and we don't think we have the, we're looking at producer, Becca, we're like, this is a nightmare in terms of execution. It's also kind of officially not really up to us anymore. I don't know what we can say, what we can't, but it is, we are nearing the time of really being able

to say something very big and cool, but like, I don't know if it's now. We were told it might be around now, but I don't know. I don't, yeah, let's for now, watch the space. For now, we're gonna pretend we can say anything we want. And we'll be told later if we can't. That's a good reach. That's actually a great way to approach.

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Like who knows if it'll get there. Okay, so Oscars, and then we went to the Vanity Fair party. Went to the Vanity Fair party, that was so fun. Can I tell you my favorite sentence that's ever come out of my mouth? White bestie summer. No, not white bestie summer, that was fun. That was fun.

This is my favorite sentence I've ever said out loud. Okay. Madison Beer, do you know Alison Brie? Wow. And they hadn't met, but they did. They did. And you introduced them. Well, our friend Michael brought over Madison Beer,

who I was so thrilled to meet, and I said to her, I said to her, Madison Beer, whenever anyone does the Glam Bot, I say, why are you doing the glam bot? You're not Madison Beer. And then she died at that. She loved that. I was trying to play it cool around her because Michael, our friend. Yes Hoffman. Hello. Hi, Michael. Somehow became besties with Madison Beer within seconds. I get it. I get it. But just like, but minutes before. Mm-hmm. Sometimes you have chemistry with people like us. But Madison was following Michael into the crowd and then we saw Michael and said hi

and then I look over and there was Madison Beer and we were full glory and I was like, hey, how are you? I'm Bowen, so nice to meet you. Trying to play it cool, how's your night going? And then finally I was like, finally you came over and you were like, you're Madison Beer and I dropped the whole thing.

I was like, I mean, you're Madison Beer. And we invited her on the pod. I wanna feel, feel, feel. If you're not listening to Madison Beer's, Becca, are you a stan? Yes. Period. Madison Beer's music is really good.

And can I say as a boob gay? Period. That's, she is top tier. And then I was looking to my right at the glory that was Alison Bree. And I said, well, I have to make this happen. I was like, Madison Beer, she is top tier. And then I was looking to my right at the glory that was Alison Brie. And I said, well, I have to make this happen. I was like, Madison, do you know Alison Brie? And they hadn't met, they hugged.

I can only assume traded numbers and became best friends, we'll find out. What was the vibe? Cause we were with Mr. Ham. Love him. For Don Ham to be in close proximity to Alison Brie made me truly thrilled me. Oh my God, you know what's funny?

I didn't realize it until right after. Oh my God, fucking Don and Trudy were right there. It was Don and Trudy vibes. Oh, that was good. Renee Rapp. Renee Rapp. You really stay a legend. This is my life now.

This is actually like a perfect microcosm for like what the last month has been. And it is my peak and like it's all downhill from here. We're at the Vanity Fair party, we're talking, we're talking. For this person to come up and tap me on the shoulder and be like, oh my God, thank God you're here. For this to be the person, I'm about to say three words. This was good.

We've all been this person at any party where it's like, oh, thank God you're here. Yeah. Like I have someone to talk to. Megan Thee Stallion comes up to me. She goes, oh my God, thank God you're here. I'm like, hi. Hey, Megan Thee Stallion.

Someone I've fully been on a professional, have been lucky enough to be on a professional level with and worked with before, but it's still shocking to me whenever she's like, hi. I'm like, hi. It's a bitch, it's Tina Snow. Let's go. That whole party was just like,

and I say this in the most revel, revel, I say this in the most, how do I say that I move? Revere this in the most reverence. I say this in the most reverent way, the most random group of people ever. It's random as fuck. All talking to each other, and I was like, woo. And then I don't think we can say where we went next.

We can't say where we went next, but I think we can say this, because this is actually a huge moment that I want to share with people, and it's like the perfect karmic, mwah, we went to a party, and we were the mega-thistily in this situation where we look around, everyone's way too cool for us,

and then we, this is the person that we zeroed in on, and we were like, oh, we can talk to this person, Chapel Roan. Chapel Roan. And guess what? The groundwork has been laid. The groundwork has been laid. The groundwork has been laid. I think this is the year for Chapel on Las Colas.

We're just putting it out there, but... Incredibly cool. I mean, like, was... Did I help facilitate that introduction between you and her? Yes, you did, and that was so kind. And, like, she was so sweet and, like... But I got to tell her, and I told her, like, when I first met her, I was like...

Or when I first talked to her for an interview, I was just like, best friend Matt Rogers was Years ahead of the curve. Well, I know she's like look I was like chapel This is my friend Matt like we're besties and and you you too hit it off. She's cool I really liked you. Yeah, I mean listen, we love chaperone and I'm excited about I guess oh Comes out I guess oh by the time this comes out the giver.

I guess by the time this comes out slash tomorrow the giver. We're headed for a really fun chapel era. Definitely. You ain't gotta tell me cause baby I did it. I'm excited. I'm a giver. I love it. Na na na na na na na.

It's really. Great bridge. She's a bridge queen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It helps you live in the song. I think you can apply this across the board, especially in terms of a pop structure It's like out throw us to show off the production highlight the production This is just as key in the song as the vocals not to give them too much credit But her highest pitch fork ever. Yeah, sure 8.0. Mr. Rich Mm-hmm. Great great. I think it's deserved and, it's so great to see it get the critical acclaim. But, okay, so are we moving on to Gaga now? Yes!

Okay. I mean... Now you know she was on the podcast, which we had to keep a secret for a long time. Yes. And... You love her. I'm still not... So we're recording this on Monday, two days after the show, and... God, just like... That is a a constant entertainer in every way. Killa, I got to see the soundcheck for it on Thursday and I lost my mind. So good. One of the most memorable, both of her performances, some of the most

memorable in recent memory, we got to go on the floor to watch Abracadabra and you had been saying like, Abracadabra goes crazy. Crazy. And it did and we were also just gagged before we started on the podcast. We were like, Gaga performed where Ali once performed.

Gaga performed where Ali once performed. I was honored to introduce her for Abracadabra. So I brought my friends, my dressing room guests, which included Matt, to the floor. We were waiting in the tunnel, steps away from the host quick change booth, where she was getting into her red encrusted Loire bodysuit.

Vocally warming up. Vocally warming up. Unbelievable to be able to be there while she was like in the zone, getting her voice ready, and then just watching her walk on stage and just destroy that performance. At dress rehearsal,

and I think this did happen on air too, but like on the walkout when she was walking on stage, when everyone in the audience could see her, I've never heard a gasp like that. Everyone's like, oh! Looks all night too. Like even when she was going over to the after party, that was amazing.

And just, do you see the shots that they got of her coming out of the limo? Just her one eye in the spot. The one eye poking out. The eye. Truly good. Holding Pip the mouse. Oh yeah.

Oh, holding Pip the mouse. The sketches were so good too. Just like, on fire this week. And I told Bobby, her manager was is, like, her manager was like, I feel like this is reflective of, like, who she is and, you know, maybe even on the nose what the album is. I'm saying on the nose, like, my analysis of it, it's like... All 10 to 1 sketches.

Yeah. Weird. It was weird from the top. I was like, I remember the first sketch being that scooter sketch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were all turning to each other in your dresser going to be like, that was the first sketch was like a huge swing. Like, which I loved.

I loved it. And I'm like, wait, I'm like so invested in this romance now between Marcelo and Gok. I know. So sweet. It was good. That little pug. That was good. I'm getting a dog tomorrow.

It is time for you, isn't it? I have like dog fever. Yeah. I need one. You're burning up. And I'm burning up, burning up. For you, baby. A Jonas Brothers shout.

Yeah, why not? Love them. Jersey Kings. Oh, I never really think about it like that. I never think about the Jonas Brothers as Jersey Kings, but I guess it's a rule of culture number 30. The Jonas Brothers are Jersey Kings. And then, I can't believe I got to sing with her twice.

It was never the plan. Bowen, that was amazing. The plan was always just, let's have fun. I'm going to try to write a couple things. And then I just lucked out in every possible way like this past week. You sounded so good. And I said, I was like, did you actually do some sort of

little vocal training? Because your placement and the ease with which you were getting up there, you do sing very high. But you were very like... Something about being next to her. Yeah, like osmosis. I know that sounds crazy, but I would say at Chromatica Ball,

I was the best singer. Well, we were on a lot of mushrooms that night. We were on a lot of mushrooms, but there's something about the chemical shit that happens, your brain chemistry giving you... Singing ability. Singing ability. Y'all just hit 35 minutes by the way.

Thank you, Becca. Oh. No, that's a great way to communicate with us because we're just in it. You know, that's how producers talk to housewives on set. Yeah, so they have like, so what you don't know is that- What are you on right now? Google Docs? What are you on?

That was a Google slide. Becca put up a Google slide just on a white background that said, y'all just hit 35 minutes BTW. So I, at one point in my life, was hanging out with someone who produces for the Housewives. Yes, yes. And they were telling me that the way that they get them to ask certain questions is they'll put up like a tablet,

they'll show it to Meredith Marks, and they'll be like ask Angie about that Like at the restaurant and that's how they get reminded to answer certain questions or ask certain things etc Wow, it's just a producer like our very own producer Becca was producing us just now. Yes. This is how it works. It's kind of like some person at a club like holding up their phone being like, play, play, stream mayhem, play Beophilia. Exactly. Yeah. That's you.

That's me. Play Beophilia. Okay, what else? What else? Gaga, Gaga. Oh yeah. Amazing. Oh yeah, vocally, no, we just,

we did like extensive music rehearsals with her in a way that like made me really appreciate like, cause she just kept turning to me and going, it'll just be so much funnier if we sound great. And I was like 100%. And she was just so exact about the way things were phrased and the way things scanned on the melody. And so we found the right key cause like it was in like, it was like in G

and then we got it all the way up or down. I don't know. Girl, you were up there. We were, I think it was a B, a B sharp or a B, whatever. It was just like, we tried it out all these different ways. You got in your pocket. But like to find the right key with a duet with Gaga, I didn't realize until literally just now

what that sort of would, like what that means to me. And it was so fun. I mean, I can't believe it. And then it's crazy. And then, I don't know, like what she said to us, what she said to me and Celeste, newsflash, loves Celeste. Everyone loves Celeste. Any person who you would think seems distant or, I don't know, like unassailable in a way,

is obsessed with Celestium. And I get it. Yeah. Who would it be? Christopher Vega. The Christopher Vega. It's Matt's nickname for Celeste. For some reason.

And just- It makes sense when you're there. It makes sense when you're there. It's like being next to Gaga singing. Exactly. It's Matt's nickname for Celeste. For some reason. And... It makes sense when you're there. It makes sense when you're there. It's like being next to Gaga singing. Exactly.

It's like, you know. But Gaga was just like telling me in Celeste, and this is what she brought up on our episode, like community. She's really been revisiting this idea, this thing that she misses a lot about coming up in New York is that she was like every night doing shows at the Slipper Room, like having comedians on or doing like, like you know what I mean? Like she was like. She was a New York artist.

She was a New York artist. And community is so important. Doing her very different version of like what you and I were doing, not to like compare things, but it's like you and I would like bring our fucking props to like shows and like be on lineups with people. And that's how we got to meet people. And that's why we still keep in touch with these people and still have these

relationships that we cultivate. Like I completely, I love that this is the thing that she's like really returning to. She is like grounded and happy and like really inspired in a way that like we haven't seen in a long time, not since chromomatica, but that was during COVID when we couldn't really see it. She wasn't really out there doing too much press for it. And it feels like in the last five years, she's really been in that place.

And I just love that she, that we got to intersect at all with her, that you and I did, that the show, that SNL did. She's on a mission of joy, too. I feel like the like emotional landscape of Chromatica was different. Because it came from a different place. Like she's on record saying it came from a place of real pain.

And so she's so clearly joyful right now. And there was something about like, even with watching her bounce from sketch to sketch at SNL, et cetera, like watching her do the press that she's doing surrounding Mayhem and that she involved us in that was so lovely and, you know, it's just, it feels like it's a really good moment. I also think, you know, I'm obviously sitting here gagged at your singing in that sketch, but I don't think she's sounded better in years.

And we were saying to her, like, obviously on the album, the way that she sings is just so mind blowing. But, you know, I think it's the best singing that she's done in a real, which is obviously saying something. She's one of the greats, but. Perfect celebrity. You kidding me? Yeah.

Even at the end of How Bad Do You Want Me, it is happening again where I listen to an album and I do get, I love everything on the album, but I get stuck on the album, but I get stuck on one song. That's totally normal. It happens every time something comes out. I get stuck on one song and just can't get over it.

Oh, I don't think you know that. It's so. Tell me. I love it. It's so interesting watching the fans discuss that song. Well, you know, but Bobby Campbell was saying like, the day of the album coming out, he goes, it's just so interesting watching the fans discuss that song. Well, you know, but Bobby, Bobby Campbell was saying like the day of the album coming out he goes, it's just so interesting because like so much of what the fans are saying are just echoes of what you and Matt were saying As we listened to it.

And like it never crossed their minds. They were like, oh, I guess it does sound like a Taylor song. Because I did say 45 seconds into listening to How Bad Do You Want Me? I did say this is giving Taylor to How Bad Do You Want Me, I did say, this is giving Taylor. And Bobby was like, really? Yeah. And I was like, but is it not? Like, it's sort of. And that has I will drag myself now. And I will also drag everyone who's kind of saying that. And here's why. Don't get upset yet.

What I'm going to say is Taylor didn't invent that kind of pop music. Go back to the fame. Like before Taylor was doing pop, like, Lady Gaga had big emotional pop songs, like, paparazzi, you know what I mean? Like, that's a big emotional pop song, and like, Gaga also has roots in this kind of thing.

She hasn't done it in a while. Right, right, right. But I feel like to give this entire genre to Taylor speaks a little bit to, like, Taylor's omnipresence, which I guess is understandable. But let's not say this isn't a Gaga song because it's very much a Gaga song if you give it some thought, I think.

I just love that I'm in this, I like that I'm able to radiate out from this album and connect it to other Gaga things where I'm like, this is the same woman who sang fucking Edge of Glory, which is basically like a Springsteen song, who sang Shallow, obviously, like Anne, everything off of Joanne and everything. And like Rick Rubin shit on Art Pop.

It's like, she's so expansive as an artist. It's a combination. It's like, she's my favorite. She's my favorite. Name another legend. Anyway. All right, now, did we feel like we did a culture catch up? Is there anything that we missed

that people are gonna be saying, well, we missed it, which doesn't feel good? Doesn't feel good. No, we don't like that. No, I think we covered our bases. And now we present to you our very, very, we don't know what the conversation is yet because we haven't had it.

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Okay, I mean, we're not gonna waste any time. She's here. We've done a whole preamble already. Two-time Oscar winner, countless BAFTAs. And the winner of the Cate Blanchett Award for Good Acting at the Los Culturesos Culture Awards, which I believe gagged the audience harder than anything that happened that night. It was a harder gag than even when, like, I'm gonna say,

Taylor sent in two videos and that was a gag. But when Cate Blanchett sent a, um... I was gonna say wordless, but no, you did say the words, I won, you know. Confetti went up in the air. It was a huge acceptance moment. I think your dog got scared Yeah, it was a big moment for everybody. Yes. Well, it deserved it I mean, this is the start of black bag, which is out this Friday, which we saw we love Soderbergh's new one I mean so exciting and

Let's waste no more time. Everyone. Please welcome into your ears K-Bllanche! Thank you! Thanks for having me. Okay, we just discussed a shoe theory. Yeah, tell us this. No, I was told today, What? While I was wearing white sneakers,

that if you wear white sneakers, it means you're not getting any. You are not a fornicator. And I just went, hang on a minute. I'm a huge fornicator. And I've been sending out really bad signals for quite a long time. I have three pairs, which I wear, I alternate. So I'm basically in, well, I'm not today, I'm wearing heels. But a lot of the time I'm sending out non-fornication signals. Did this person seem like an authority on this, or were you like, okay? He said it with great authority. But I was, and I was very alarmed.

You know, you think you get dressed, you're getting dressed for yourself, right? You don't over, well, I mean, I didn't overthink the sequence at all. You're in the right place. But you know, you don't think that's a signal you're sending out. Right, never.

Maybe if you wore a nun's habit, a nexany and gloves, you think maybe. Oh, so is that what this person was saying? Like it's a chastity signal? Well, I don't know. It seemed to be a little bit like wearing your keys on whatever. Is that really 80s? Wait, what's that about? Oh my God, you guys are...

I am so much older than you. This is so 70s and 80s. I'm not even gay and I know this. As like a way to like say what. You just did that, so if you do that, does that mean I'm available? Oh, I'm available, everything I do is shouting that I'm available. And I also want to say, I wear white sneakers a lot. And you were saying, and I don't have And I also want to say, I wear white sneakers a lot. And you were saying-

And I don't have problems. Before we roll it, Matt was- What, sex problems? You don't have problems getting it. No, I'm saying my sluttiest times were when I was in a white Converse. I used to wear a white leather Converse to like weddings where I was single.

But were you wearing anything else? I was wearing like a blue suit or a red suit, my wedding sort of drag. And then a white leather converse, because I think I'm gay and can get away with it. You can go to a straight wedding and you can kind of take a swing with the shoe. You know what I mean? But not with a white converse.

Apparently, did you get any of that evening? I did. I hooked up with the bride's cousin. Oh, okay. So it's rubbish. Yes, I'm telling you. I don't need to be worried. I can put them back on. My bunion will be so happy. Buy another pair.

I'm gonna buy another pair. Honestly though, cause they're white, they get a little scuffed. You need a backup and a backup backup. Well, that's what I said. I said in a very apologetic way. I said, well, they're a little bit scuffy and dirty. So does that mean, I don't know.

Maybe that looks desperate. That's like, I'm trying to pretend that I'm not wearing them anyway. I was freaked out. By a message that I didn't know that I was sending. I don't believe anyone believes that. That I'm not getting any ideas. No, you don't give celibate.

Okay, I don't give celibate? No. Thank you so much. I came into the room. Could you play celibate? Could you play celibate? Have you ever played celibate? Have you played a nun?

Not intentionally. I have played a nun. An alcoholic nun. An alcoholic nun? What film was that? She then prostrated herself on the grave of a priest, but I don't think that was sexual. At least intentionally. I see. And did it feel right in the body?

Did it feel good in the spirit? Like you would do it again? Yeah, I didn't wear underwear. But it was set back in time. You know, the worst... Now, speaking of not wearing underwear, when I played Queen of the Elves, they gave the, I don't know,

the toy manufacturing thing to some company. And a lot of the hobbits were very upset because they didn't feel that those toys were gonna be made properly. And my, I had a little, then I had one child and I have four. So clearly I fornicate. There's no issue here.

But I gave the elf toy of me, of the ladrial to my son. And he was really upset because he said, elves don't wear underwear. And they hadn't bothered to put underwear on the elf toy. But they did for the hobbits, you said? No, no, but the hobbits were upset because they didn't feel the toys were going to be made properly. And they weren't because I wore underwear as an elf.

I think elves do wear underwear. Elves do wear underwear, I think so. When you say the hobbits were upset, do you mean the actors who play the hobbits? Are you talking about the fans? My Hobbit friends. Yes. The Hobbit community.

Oh, I meant the actor Hobbits. They're not really Hobbits. They're not really Hobbits. No, I guess I have not ever had the experience of having a toy mate of me in my fashion. Oh, you will. I don't think so. That injustice will be corrected. Do you have input in that process?

Well, no, clearly I didn't, because if they had asked me, I would have said they had knitted underwear. Yeah, knitted. I think, Philanthroel, out of elf kind of web. Yeah. Sure. But if you're immortal, if you're an elf in Tolkien's world, in Middle Earth, it's like...

You don't need to wash your underwear, but you need to wear it. Yes. Okay. Yes. Wow, I never thought about their process in terms of like their sartorial nature. I know, we used to see this toy. It was really disgusting. It's like Barbie not having genitals.

Do you think after the Barbie movie that the Barbies are now gonna have genitals? I mean, that's what kids learn about stuff. You know what's funny? One time I remember seeing when I was a kid, there was a Ken with like more of a lump there. And it did weird me out. And I was like, if people thought this was something that needed to be corrected, I can now tell you as someone who's seen a Ken with a penis, we didn't need this.

But a lump is not a penis. A lump is a lump. A lump is something you need to get checked. Yeah. He needed help. That. But I don't know. That was an infirm kit. I know, I didn't learn a lot from Barbies growing up. Or Kens. What did you play with? What did I play with? As a kid.

I had a ballerina Barbie, and so the crown, you could turn her around. Which I loved is I had one of those dolls, which was a Red Riding Hood wolf doll. And when you turned it upside down, it was the wolf and the other way around. So you can get around to the voices. Yes.

I love that. And the wolf had a skirt? Well, yes, but it was the wolf. Right. Oh, but the wolf was dressed as the grandmother. Oh wait, was it Red Riding Hood and the wolf? Because that changes the story in a way that I love. Yes, it wasn't the grandmother. Oh wow that I love. It wasn't the grandmother.

Oh, wow. But the wolf was dressed as the grandmother. Yeah, but the skirt was kind of brown. It was a bit Amish. It was an Amish wolf. I got it. Of course. God, what a performance they were giving.

What did you guys play with? I had an Aladdin Ken doll, and he had the suggestion of a lump as well. Okay. And kind of a queer awakening for me. I went, well, he's really handsome. I'd like to see him naked. You know?

I think, okay, so you're saying children learn from these dolls. Well, they could. They could learn from the dolls. I'm not learning as much as I am just like intrigued by my own like fascination. You know what I mean? Like I'm...

Well, you definitely, with those dolls, they're made to be dressed and undressed, right? So it could be, I mean, then when your body starts to change and you go, oh, okay. Yeah, I think one of my favorite parts... This is no longer a lump. It's something. This lump does something. It's meaning something else.

One of my favorite parts of the Barbie movie was the depiction of, like, the fucked Barbie that Kate McKinnon played, the one that was just rode hard and put away wet. Because I really was the king of the Barbies. My sister had dozens of them for some reason. And... And you were never given any?

So, no. But I kind of was... I remember actually one of my earliest memories. I'm from Long Island. Was sitting on Santa's lap and asking for a Barbie, and his reaction being really negative. Oh. And so I could never ask for one because it was really explicit in that moment,

like, don't ask for that. Like, this sort of Long Island man playing Santa really instilled it in me. Which is creepy anyway. Exactly. I mean, it's really that's all a lot. We did the visit to the grotto with our kids one time when they were little, and they were like, this is wrong.

And you're sort of watching it as a parent, like, seeing the pageantry a little differently, I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was quite traumatized by the Santa Claus grotto growing up. Yeah. All the photos were like, get me out of here.

Kids can smell the booze. Yeah. The parents taking the photo are slightly removed, so they can't smell it as much. They're not within an inch of, yeah. But I'm sure that was before they did the safety checks. Yes, I mean, it's just like allowing your children to go over there and have a private conversation with this like...

With a dude who's wearing, who you cannot recognize. Yeah, yeah. Who's just truly ensconced in like all this fun, friendly stuff, and it's just, it's dark. It belies something very dark. It does, very dark indeed. But the Barbie thing I remember for us, me and my sister, was a lot about survival.

We would play Titanic with the Barbies, and like they would slowly, one by one, pass away to the devastation that was caused by the Titanic, hitting that iceberg in 1912. And the one that remained got to be undressed? It was all about undressing. She's all about taking off the clothes. It was always like, this is me as a kid. It was always like...

I'm so hot. Blonde prettiest Barbie. Yeah. She wore like a blue, very shiny mini dress. Uh-huh. And it was always her. She was always the sole survivor, the Rose, as it were. Uh-huh. Of course. But yeah, no, I do remember like really loving

that group of... that community of women that was the Barbies. The ensemble cast. I know, and you never had your own. But I only had the one, I found them boring in the end. Right. I loved the movie, but I found, yeah, the actual one. So my kids have never had Barbies.

Probably good. Would you, besides Galadriel, would you want other characters that you portrayed to be dolls? I feel like a Sheba Hart doll would be very fun. A Notes on a Scandal doll set would be very fun. That would be interesting. That would be interesting. There were some really good games

you could play with those dolls. You know what's funny? Separately of each other, we were like, we obviously watched Black Bag, phenomenal. And then we each picked one of your other movies watching last night, didn't tell each other. It was Notes on a Scandal. It is one of our favorite films.

It is fun every time. Judy Dench. Oh my God. She turns 90 something. Wow. Or she's just had her birthday. Yeah. Yeah, she's a little legend. Juno Temple.

A young Juno Temple. Yes, she was my daughter. Yes. So old I am. Yeah, but she was fabulous. Well, she's amazing. I wanted to ask, like, the really just pronounced queerness of your filmography. Is that like, it's really something.

I mean, I was thinking about it and there's elements of this in a lot of what you do. Really? Yeah, I mean, Tar, obviously. I guess it's growing up in Sydney. Yeah, you think so? Yeah, I spent so much time at Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, which was just wild. I think it's been a bit OHS now, but the parties were so fabulous. I went a couple years ago for World Pride and I was really blown away by how Sydney

really committed to and embraced the fact that they were hosting Pride. It was really lovely, especially now with everything going on. Looking back at that, I was like, I wonder if an American city would go for it this hard. Because Sydney was, it really felt beautiful to be there because it felt like a very queer city. Yeah, it totally is. What is OH&S? It's Occupational Health and Safety.

Oh, I see, I see, I see. Did I get the acronym right? Wait, so, and you're saying Australia Mardi Gras? No, no, no, the things that went on in those bathrooms, in those fire traps, in the clubs that, you know, you were probably too young to go to, you know, that they've all been kind of cordoned off. Sure. I feel like you would have a fun experience going to, I think those events are still happening the world over. I would encourage you to... I would, would you... To seek them out in my white sneakers.

And your white sneakers. Hey, dude, back off. Yeah, listen. Leave me alone. I'm not interested. Don't you see my feet? I'm a non-fornicator. Yeah, hello. Look at the shoes. We're going to Berlin in a couple weeks.

We're gonna go to Burgheim. Oh, my God. Have you been? Yes, yes. Once, it's pretty wild. Did you wait in line and like, do the whole thing of being- Yeah, I knew someone who knew someone who knew someone. Okay, I gotcha.

Was this recent? I can't remember, maybe five, six years ago. Okay. It was pre-COVID. Yeah, sure. Just pre-COVID, I guess. This'll be our first time. You don't need to keep your eyes open.

Things just happen. Things, oh. Sure. You can close your eyes and eyes open. Things just happen. Things sure. Oh, you can close your eyes and things happen. And things happen. Ugh! Well, it depends where you are. It's a bit of a labyrinth.

Sure. I mean, and look, there were things in places that I did not go into. Sure. You're a bit too Genet for me. Genet! A bit too Genet is the title of that. A bit too Genet.

I just want to go to the, did you go to the gelato stand? Yes. Okay. Is this a famous thing? Yeah, there's a gelato stand that people like, everyone's just serving gelato. Oh, I love it. At all hours of the day.

A little light relief. Oh, sure. Just a little. A palette cleanser. A little coolant off as it were. Oh, that's fun. From the delights, from the carnal pleasures. Oh, wow.

So is this a research trip? It is. How did you know? How did you know? How did you know? I just assumed. Always working. There was a glimmer in our eye.

Oh wow. No, we're excited. We're excited. Okay, I don't want to prize it out. No, no, you can prize it out. I was just gonna say, I can't tell if we want to go down the friend of a friend of a friend route,

or if we, I think it would be Informative for us to wait in the line and either way being rejected. Yes, they won't reject you. I don't know I think they might I think I'm I don't think you look gay This week I was telling Gaga this when she was at SNL is like What are they looking for? I don't know. You're too good. But we won't wear white shoes, because what if they feel that way? What if they feel that way? This week, I was telling Gaga this when she was at SNL. She was like, what are you doing for free? Oh, how amazing. Oh, she was amazing.

Phenomenal. Amazing. Just like that. Phenomenal. God. Phenomenal anyway. Anyway. But the only thing more exciting was you introducing.

I know. I'm thrilled. I'm not excited. I'm not excited. I'm excited. It was amazing. It was volcanic. I loved it. Volcanic. No, I did erupt. She was saying that she has been turned away.

She has been turned away from that line because they were like, I think the implication was she was like, I think it was because I was a woman and it was a bit too sexy of a night, a bit too fornicate-y of a night in a way that was exclusive to phalluses. You know what I mean? Oh, okay.

So I think maybe that's the thing that happens depending on if you're gonna elaborate. You can buy a phallus. You know what I mean? So I think maybe that's a thing that happens depending on if you're a good collaborator. She could have bought one. Totally. We can all buy a phallus. We can all buy a phallus. You can't buy a whole. You can't buy an orifice.

Wouldn't you agree? Well, you have many of them. So many. But don't you wanna like, I think buying a phallus gives you like a degree of removal in a way that you're like, oh, I'm purely using this as an instrument. I can put this away.

Yeah. I can put this away. A hole's a hole and you're stuck with it. I don't mind being stuck with mine. I'm quite happy. I'm pleased to have all the holes I have. Yes. But I'm...

This man... Talk to me after you've been to Burgheim. Oh my god. This is a family show. This is for family communities. I don't think anyone's, they're not going to be shook by anything we say on this episode. But are you taking in a microphone? You won't be allowed to take it in unless you... Oh no, we're not taking anything in.

But it's research. It's research where the phone's being put away. Right. But there's so, actually, there's so few spaces that you can go now where you are private like that, where people can really... That's what I loved about the late 80s going to all of the dance parties in Sydney for the Mardi Gras is because people were just there. They were so present, you know? They were just together collectively having a great time.

That was non-aggressive. No one was being recorded. No one cared what anyone did. The other night we went to a place like that. There's a place called Basement. Yes, Basement. They put the tag on the phone. It was...

Yeah. It celebrated the idea of... And it's such a relief. Just go do it. I think people are profoundly relieved. Yes. And they feel, I don't need to record this. such a relief. I think people are profoundly relieved. Yes. And they feel, I don't need to record this. Right.

I can just tell people or not. Yeah. But now it feels like that chasm between that kind of event, that ideal, is widening from the thing that's very common now at like an award show, let's say, where you've got lip readers, you're being photographed in between. Lip readers. Oh yeah, on TikTok, there'll be people that are, you know, looking at a video of two celebrities talking to each other

and they'll lip read what the conversation is. It looks like it could be exactly what they're saying in a way that's a little bit odd. That's really what, I mean, do something. Learn Ikebana or something. I mean, it's like a skill that's actually beautiful. There are so many trains to pick up. Yeah. Wow. Do something, learn Ikebana or something. I mean, it's like a skill that's actually beautiful. Yeah.

Wow. But that makes it feel even kind of more, yeah, treacherous. Yeah, it is treacherous. You know? You do see celebrities nowadays on the carpet going like this a lot because, you know, those are the ones on TikTok and know they're at risk of being lip-read. Yeah.

But I mean, I say, I mean, it's blasphemy. Go back to the day when it wasn't televised. You know, bring that back and just have a great party where people can just let go. I mean, the industry is so scattered in such a point of which I think could potentially be exciting or it could be really depressing. But it's at a pivot point. And so we need to gather together and celebrate what it is that we do without it having to have any public facing. I mean, the fashion's great and all of that stuff.

We will find out in the end who won or who didn't win. But it would be so nice that that happened behind closed doors. It'd be a very different evening. We were saying that, especially after the Oscars just happened and it just feels like the march to that evening is so long. Do you feel there's maybe too many ceremonies?

Yes. Well, that's what you're saying. Untelevised some of them. Yes. You still have them. It's so great. It's so great that people's work is celebrated. And that way, I think there's a kind of a sense that, because this is the

thing is you, all these films are amazing. And so many amazing films and performances and all of the craft awards, cinematography and you know, you want to celebrate them. But you can get sick of those films by the time, because they all get whittled down as they must. And then I don't want to get sick of any of those films because they're brilliant. Yeah. And it's like on face value, there doesn't need to be an over conversation about Anora the way that it's happening online and stuff like that to the point where it's we really

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I feel like he's such an expansive filmmaker. He can do pretty much anything. I think it's crazy that he's under budget so many times when he makes films. Under time. Under time. Wow. He's got this, he made The Presence,

if you haven't seen that recently. I don't think I've ever seen it. Lucy Liu was in it and the cast was amazing. Oh, I love Lucy Liu. And it was set in a house where a family moved in and it was haunted by a presence. And so the whole narrative unfolds according to what the presence in the house learns.

Oh! It's amazing. But he shot that I think in nine or 11 days. What? So it's like, oh man, how quickly are we going to shoot black bag? But the thing with Soderbergh is he's so economical. He always gets into work early. He knows how he's going to shoot it.

But the reason why he started to operate, I asked him finally, I'd worked with him before, but I'd forgotten to ask him. He edits, he lights, he shoots, he directs. He doesn't write anymore. But he said the reason why he operates is because he wants it to keep moving and flowing. And he doesn't want the actors to go off the boil waiting around between takes and setups.

And so what he does is you start at the normal time, but you're done by three, which is great. You want to pick up your kids from school or I don't know, get on a plane and go to Berghain, whatever your thing is. But then what he does, he's such a workhorse, is he goes and he edits. And so where he spends the money is keeping the sets open. So if he needs to pick something up, he can. And so he assembles the thing, but then he's really forensic.

He goes, no, that's too long. No, that piece of information needs to be revealed there. And so it's a really fluid thing with him. So you've got to dance with him. But he did say, typical Soderbergh was I said, we did one take and he wanted to move on. And I said to him, I said, are we moving on because you're bored or because you've got it? And he went, yes, and yes.

And so he was bored with me and he got it. So he's, but he's great. He's really blunt, but he really, really loves actors. And the cast in Black Bag is so great. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah, it's really... I was surprised that it was such an ensemble. And then it really is like... It's like watching a very thrilling, stylish play.

And I say that in obviously the most, you know, reverent way. And not to spoil it, there's like a fun, like, almost like Poirot Agatha Christie-esque ending to it that I loved. Yeah. Well, it's basically about a fastbender, Michael Fastbender and I play husband and wife, and they're espionage, you know, MI5, MI6, but it's all with technology. So it's a real, it's like, oh my God, I can't even open my phone. So that was the acting bit that I had to do. But they're devoted to each other. They're married. And then he suspects her of being involved in this releasing this cyberworm. She sounds pretty icky. Yeah, I want to hear the noise that a cyberworm.

Yeah, I was going to say that with a little piece of box, you know, the film existence, existence or the noise, oh, no, no, no, no. The noise that it made when Jennifer Jason Lee and Jude Law put the portal into their body made me... Oh, wow. It made me want to throw. It was like... How did you feel about the substance? The substance? What the noises in the substance? Yeah, the noise. I thought the sound was unreal.

Oh, unbelievable. I had a similar kind of thing. Yeah. Misophonia? Mis similar kind of thing. Yeah. Misophonia? Misophonia? Yes, misophonia and kinophobia. Okay. Which is what Tar had. Yes!

Oh, right. Yeah. So speaking of Tar, because this was truly our favorite movie. I remember we watched it. We didn't see it together the first time. We didn't see it together, but we both had the same exact check in with each other.

We were like, wow, wow, wow. Well, I remember leaving the movie the first time and feeling really confused after the first five and 10 minutes walking out of the movie, being like, what? And then I realized, as I thought of it, I was like, that was phenomenal. And it just wasn't ultimately the genre I thought it was going to be at the top.

I thought it ended up being this incredibly funny satire, in a way, but also presenting as this very stark drama from the whole time, and it is both of those things. But the question I wanted to ask you was, and I find this with several of your movies, are you ever really surprised when you see the end result of something in terms of the tone and genre from when you read it the first time?

There was so much, I mean, time made, and first sitting, because it asks a lot of the audience, it made a lot of people really angry. And I was really grateful to the critics and the people who had seen it, who kept alive all of the other balls that Todd Field had written,

because people said, oh, it's about cancel culture, or it's about abuses of power. But it wasn't, I always thought it was about, about what happens in the art, for me personally anyway, when we create something, we forget that we have to destroy something, you know, and so it's the destructive urge in the creative force. You don't have to be an artist to have a creative force, but we all want to make something in the world. But you often have to be very brutal with yourself

when you make that. And there was quite a lot of, there was kind of a ghost story in there. And so we, you know, and there were elements in there, I guess it's far enough away. I didn't want to talk about it when it was coming out because you don't want to tell an audience too much with a movie like that.

But you know, we shot things or talked about things that we decided not to shoot in the end. want to talk about it when it was coming out because you don't want to tell an audience too much with a movie like that. No, definitely not. But you know, we shot things or talked about things that we decided not to shoot in the end, you know, that the gift and I've got friends who are conductors who have perfect pitch. You probably have perfect pitch, Rowan. I do not. I apparently have a three octave range though.

Wow. Apparently. I just wanted to throw that in there. There we go. No, but that she had perfect pitch and incredible music ability that her parents were, she was raised by deaf parents. So when I thought about the early, it was an early sequence and these are very, very minor things that I used.

There was a shot I think from memory of her conducting as a student, which I think it had ended up in the movie, and I used sign language to how I conducted that. But that was just fun. I mean, they're not even Easter eggs because you're not ever thinking that the audience will pick those things up. But there was so much in there and he's such a great writer. I have to get him out of the barn, Todd Field.

So he makes another film before 10 years pass. The barn. Get him out of there. But it's hard to pry someone out of a barn. It is, why? No, I'm just saying like. Do you have a barn? God.

You want a barn, don't you? I want a barn. But you want someone to pry you out of it. I'm going into the barn. I would love a barn, are you kidding me? I think you'd be great in a barn. I really do. Thank you. I think you would love a barn personally. Not kidding me? I think you'd be great in a barn. I really do. Thank you. I think you would love a barn, personally.

Not very good with hay and all that. No, it doesn't have to be hay. No, it's just, I like my little creature comforts, but so do you. Now I'm thinking you wouldn't love a barn. You could have Kashmir barn. Kashmir blind barn. A little barn. A barn by wayfair. I don't mean a barn functionally. I mean a barn just in terms of...

A metaphorical barn. Somewhere to go. He has a literal and a metaphorical barn. There you go. It's a two-for-job. You gotta bring him out of the headspace and the actual physical space. True.

Well, I mean, Tar is just... Do you consider it a comedy? Because I feel like it's one of the great comedies. I thought some of this shit was really funny. Yeah. You know, I mean, how seriously she took herself. The second time I watched it, I couldn't stop laughing at the first conversation she sat in the top back.

The New Yorker conversation? It's so funny. Just how seriously she takes herself and, like, the performance that is happening. And really the amount of ego. Because that was, that's really ultimately, I think, it's just like crazy meditation on ego. Yeah, well it is.

But you have to, having stepped onto the podium in front of the Dresden Philharmonie as a woman, but as a conductor anyway, is they sense fear. So you have to, as a conductor, you have to have a lot of chutzpah. And that you have to say, this is where we're going. And because I realized it's a bit like boarding school, like a lot of the members, they're all soloists, right?

But the conductor has to bring them to make one unified sound. So there's a lot of egos and complications and they would all come up to me and start talking to me and telling me things about, you know, I know I'm acting as the first cello, but I'm really only the second cello, so I'm really concerned about. And it was like, you have to hold all of this stuff together. But I got up there and they hadn't played together because of COVID. They

had the orchestra hadn't played together for quite a long many, many months. And so when I said, look, in my bad German, I said, when I'm, you know, I'm not an actor, I mean, I'm not a conductor, you're not actors, and we're going to have to swap roles. So let's be patient with one another. And I gave the downbeat at the rehearsal, and they didn't follow me. And I went, let's start again. And they all went, oh, and they realized, in fact, that I didn't I mean, I was I was winging it. I did a lot of, you know, preparation. I examined the score and everything. And I realized, in fact, that I didn't... I mean, I was winging it. I did a lot of preparation, and I examined the score and everything, and I had the music in my... those bits of music in my head. But it was such a gift, because then they had to lean in and realize that we did have to do it together. But it's not a film about conducting, so... Well, I feel like you telling that story,

filtered through the character of Lydia Tarr, makes me think of like, I am Petra's father. It's like that is the same person in a completely different context of like, no, like she thinks of herself as... She is that person that like is being like called for at the school or something. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And I think she was probably mercilessly bullied herself. You think. Yeah. And it's also, I think, when you have an exceptional gift like that. And I always imagined her having parents who were made fun of and who couldn't hear the thing that she loved. It's a really complicating thing. And it's all these little things that, because Todd is an amazing director, but also an amazing writer, is he put all these little things that, because Todd is an amazing director, but also an amazing writer, is he put all these little clues in that she went, and she'd obviously spent a lot of time

with the Shippeebo-Kenebo people taking Iowa Oscar. And if I'd had enough time, I would have done a little bit more research into that part of it. But you know, she was really adventurous. And so she was running away from something herself. And also coming out of COVID, I don't know what you guys did.

You probably were able to continue the podcast, right? But if you couldn't do what you do, if you couldn't make music and you were Lidia Tarr for two years, what happens? Your creative urn turns destructive. So, you know, I thought about all that stuff. We're talking about so many elements of a movie like this. You know, obviously, like, huge respect for the director and, like, real interest in the incredibly dynamic character

and this story that you can read in so many different ways. I wonder, when you are embarking on something or you're sent a script, is there one of those elements, whether it's like the people you get to work with or the story itself or the specific character, is there something that you feel is what pulls you each and every time or is it different? I would imagine it's a combination, but for you, if you could speak to that. You know, it's the couple of times early on when I accepted to do a script based on the role, it's always been slightly disappointing because it's like a theater script is called a play

because you have to play with it. It's not a work of literature. And so it's always now for me about the director, it's never the role. So because it doesn't matter, you could be acting your socks off. But if the camera's in the wrong position, or you know, you haven't all been cast in the right way, or you haven't been brought together by the director into an ensemble, the thing won't lift off. And so it won't mean anything to an audience. And so, for example, with Black Bag, working, I'd worked with Steven, and when my husband

and I were running the Sydney Theatre Company, he came in our first season and he wanted to do an all-male production of All About Eve, so he got obsessed with Nancy Grace and the Casey Anthony story and he concocted this bizarre, fascinating theatre piece. But when he called me and said he had a slot and David K David had written this great ensemble piece. It was to work with him. And then of course it was Fassbinder and Tom Burke, who's an amazing one on stage with and the seagull at the Barbican in London. So it is the director and then I'm fascinated with who they want to cast then.

Yeah, you've realized that more and more it is about the people. Yes. And not necessarily about... Which feels counterintuitive, but it's not necessarily about... Which feels counterintuitive, but it's not necessarily about the content in the primary way. Like, it's not about the role.

Yeah. You know, because sometimes it's like, wow, you know, that's a piece of action, or I haven't spoken to that audience before, or, you know, that's a chamber piece, or, you know, in fact, that character's really still. I've been moving around too much. Yeah.

I mean, you know. So sometimes, yeah, I don't know. But I don't know that I necessarily want to do it anymore anyway. I think I want to spend time with my chickens and my gardens. Really? The barn?

Yeah. You need a barn period. I knew, yeah. With an occasional Burgheim trip. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I will venture out to Burgheim from the barn.

Come with. That I would do. Let's go. We're reading a book now in the research. It's called Lost and Sound, The Begin out to Burgheim from the barn, that I would do. Come with. Let's go. We're reading a book now in the research. It's called Lost and Sound, the Beginnings of Burgheim and the Easy Jet Set. So this writer is kind of putting out this theory that like with the introduction of easy jet in Europe, with budget travel within Europe. Oh, it eroded the integrity.

Not the integrity. It just brought people to Berlin and it created a nightlife capital in Berlin after the wall went down. I see. With techno coming out of Detroit, it's like it all kind of aligned in a way that like made it this magical, still magical thing that must be preserved because it's a cultural site now. It's considered a concert venue and not necessarily a club.

But you know, they have to be really careful. I mean, Thomas Ostermeyer, who runs the Schaubühner in Berlin, has directed this production, The Seagull. He's such an amazing person and an amazing director. But they are, you know, so many Australians are in Berlin because you get to, you don't have to apologize for, you know, being a musician or an actor or a painter or a writer or whatever, where you kind of do in Australia.

But he was saying, like, cultural funding is really going down. And they don't... It's a stupidity from an economic point of view, let alone a cultural point of view. You know, you talk about culture on your podcast. But because of the multiplier effect, it's the restaurants, it's the bars, it's the taxi drivers, it's the cyclos, it's all of those other things that actually suffer when you remove culture from a place. Apart from, you know, that's why, as you say,

that's why tourists go to Berlin. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I feel like you have that in America too, of like that apology of like, hey, yeah, I'm an actor, huh? I'm, you know, cloying. People think it's like cool to shy away from, there's a certain sect of people I think that don't stand

in like pride for being an artist. I don't know, maybe it's a self-consciousness. Yeah, or you know, there's a sense that somehow if you are in a creative profession, there's an indulgence. Yeah. Right. It's elite. And you go, no, it's like you're a member of a circus family. It's true.

You do it for an audience. And that's where Soda Boat is so great. He kept saying with Black Bag, he's like, we're making a movie. We're not making a film. I want people to go and see this in the cinema and eat their popcorn and have fun. And it's witty and it's stylish. It's like, you know, and then, and you know, you don't have to, not every piece of cinema

has to have the same function or reach the same audience. They're multifarious audiences, but it's for an audience. I'm not doing it for myself. Right. Just to speak, cause you mentioned that we talk about culture. We're gonna ask you that question. Oh, do you?

Yeah, it's a thing. It's a little bit of a, you know, unifier on this podcast alongside this question, which is, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Talking about, like, how you, Kate Blanchett, became Kate Blanchett. If you could think about... I'm constantly becoming. Yes!

It could be something you found yesterday. I'm transitioning constantly. I don't know, like I'm so eclectic. And, you know, I read Eden Blighton books. I spend all the time on my bicycle thinking I was Nancy Drew or Trixie Belden. You're looking at me blankly because you're way... Who tells about Trixie Belden? Trixie Belden was a girl detective.

Yeah, as was Nancy Drew. Of course. But I think there was a kind of an intersection for me of the royal wedding, Princess Diana and Charles, which was in 1980. At the moment, my grandmother was having a double bypass surgery. Wow. So death was meeting sort of life and pageantry. At the same time, the Moscow Olympics was on and I was obsessed.

I did calisthenics, you know, like I'm quite, I'm not very strong when I'm bending. Like I put my legs behind my heads. I have no skills, but I can do that. And do this. Yeah, you have no skills, Keblatka. But that. And I got really obsessed with,

I don't know if this is culture, but I got very obsessed with ribbon dancing. Oh, that's certainly culture. And then the dancing they do with ribbon dancing. Oh, that's certainly culture. And then the dancing they do with the ball. Ah! Wow! So maybe it was that.

So we filed this under like, you know, the bending of it all, like rhythmic gymnastics? Rhythmic gymnastics. Yeah, which is a huge- I think that that was my high culture expression. And then later on, you saw Picasso painting with light. And so that reminded me of my ribbon dancing obsession. So yeah, maybe it was ribbon dancing.

I'm thinking of your performance in the Curious Case of Benjamin Butt. It wasn't ribbon dancing, per se. I know, but a dancer, you know what I mean? Yeah, I've never forgiven Fincher. He sucked me. We were doing, there was a dance sequence, which I wrote. Did he cut it? For ages, no, no, no, it's so mean. We were doing, there was a dance sequence, which I wrote.

Did he cut it? For ages. No, no, no, it's in there. I was going to say. But he decided to shoot it at five o'clock in the morning. Oh, come on. Having been called, you know, because he shoots forever. Sure.

Having been called at like, you know, nine o'clock the previous morning, it's like, you asshole. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know how much is me and how much is my body double. But I didn't get to ribbon dance in that. No, not ribbon dancing, but I just... My age, there's not a lot of call. They don't ask you to ribbon dance in your 50s.

That's actually going into... Really? Yeah, we'll get to ribbon dancing. But the ball. Yeah. It's the ball. It's so beautiful. What does the ball represent?

You know, the girls in the Olympics, too, who work with the ball and they move it around. It's incredible. It's like water. It's so magnificent. I don't even understand how you represent. How do you do that? It's like magic. If you were to do magic tricks like pull the ace of spades out of a lemon, I mean, I would

literally pee my pants. What's crazy about that is the answers are so simple, but they're done with such precision. What do you mean the answers are simple? Because like the answer to how the cart comes out of the lemon or whatever the hell. I don't want to know. But what I'm saying is we don't know.

And like for us, it seems so crazy. But their answers to that are so simple. The sleight of hand is so second nature. Yes. I know. But I'm still, where do you put a lemon up? I mean, that's, I mean, I don't know. Which hole? are so simple. The sleight of hand is so second nature. Yes. I know, but I'm still, where do you put a lemon up? I know. I mean, I don't care.

Which hole? Which hole? Which hole did that lemon come out of? Don't touch the lemon. Don't touch the lemon. You don't want that. But would you agree that like, have you ever applied this to your own sort of craft where you're like, I don't want to tell you too much about how I do things? I never want to talk about it because I don't know how I do it.

Do you not know? I don't have a process. Really? No. Like people say, oh, you know, I do Meisner or Lee Strasner, or I do, you know, Uta Hagen is my, whoever it is. I read it all. I'm a bound bird. If someone has done something great, I will steal it and use it. Got it.

Because you know it's always gonna be reinterpreted through your lens. Yeah. So I, yeah, I don't know. Every night before I start a new job, it's always the first day of school. I'm always terrified. And I say to my husband, who's so bored with me

asking the same questions over and over and over, I said, what do I do? What's my process? Really? He went, Just show up. Huh? And so you have to go into a room and go, I do not know how to do this.

You humble yourself to the task. And the material and the other actors and the directors and circumstances reveal what research you need to do. If you need to do any, sometimes you don't need to. Sometimes you just have to be present. I feel like that's so comforting as an actor to hear even you say that, because there's like a freedom.

Terror. That like, there's a freedom you can have to give yourself when you realize, this thing I have about my anxieties, about being quote unquote good enough, right for it. I was going to ask you how you are about moving on, because it sounds like every actor has a different relationship to that. But to hear you how you are about moving on, because it sounds like every actor has a different relationship to that. But to hear you speak to, not insecurity,

but like any apprehension or, you know, nerves about doing something. I think for even you to say that, you know, it's... And it gets worse, I think. It gets worse. You think? Yeah, because then there's a sense that maybe people have preconceptions or expectations

if you have some kind of a track record. And I think you have to risk, I'm sure you both feel this too, you have to, and particularly with standup, it's like you have to risk falling flat on your face. And so if you're not, if you're not on that knife edge, you're not going to keep growing. And so it is confronting, but you have to get yourself in the zone where you go, fuck it. Yeah. Fuck it.

Well, my thing with a lot of comedians, and I'm gonna say it's skews male, but a lot of male comedians seem to have this allergy to anything that is theatrical about comedy. And they have to understand that stand-up is just theater. The scheme of it, of one person being on stage talking to a crowd of people, doesn't matter how big the crowd is or small, it is, it's theater. So, and they are like performing the fact that these thoughts are coming to them off the cuff

when they've been refining this routine for a long time over many experimental contexts. And it's like, let's just embrace that this is all kind of artificial. And I don't know what my point is. I'm just saying like, there's... Yeah, and there's a structure to it. It's like if you're telling a story and you forget the pivot point in the story, it's not gonna work. But I've always found it really such an education to go and watch stand up at the beginning when they're building the material. Because in the end, I think the process is the most exciting thing.

And sometimes when you get to the end point, the hard thing is to keep it fresh. Yeah. And of course then there's the thing of, you know, I've now done, I find this with a lot of stand-ups, it's like you see people start to get insecure about having done things for several years. It's like, you know what I mean?

It's because then it's less even about how do I keep this fresh? And you're like, did I get too comfortable with, am I too good at keeping it fresh? Am I not moving on and pushing myself to do something else? Well, I got great advice from a Hungarian director who directed us as a company and a production of Uncle Vanya. And we'd had previews and they were all great. And it was a really lovely company. And he came in and we rehearsed through an interpreter.

And so he said, through his interpreter, he said, all of those amazing things that you did last night, they were wonderful. Tonight, opening night, don't do any of them. Love it. And it was such great advice. And you go, okay, this is in, I think it's because they come from a culture

where things sit in rep. Right. And so he's interested in the long term health of the show, not getting good reviews, because often it's the good reviews are actually harder to deal with, because certainly if you read them, you go, oh, that's a good bit, and then it dies. Right.

So you can't think about the good or bad bit. You just have to think it's all a process. Right. Or you just can't stay with it in any case, because in comedy they say, like, your act becomes your enemy. It's like what you're talking about where like... When you say your act, you mean you shtick or the thing.

Yeah. Exactly, and like what you've given... It's like, I kind of feel that way now with SNL. I'm like, oh, I'm playing another inanimate object. And sometimes, and I just want to say, because sometimes it's not always up to the cast member. It's like, you're being handed material, like, okay, I guess you need me to play,

you know, the spy balloon that got shot down. Okay, like fine, you know, it's, and then it becomes this thing that you're trying to pull away. Anyway, this is not, this is microcosmically compared to like anything that. No, this is not, this is microcosmically compared to like anything that... No, because I mean, this is the thing is you don't want to be thinking about yourself. You want to be thinking about the energy that it's going out in your audience.

And I think when you start to feel uncomfortable about that, or habitual about that, then you become self-conscious and the thing's gonna die anyway. Which is why it's refreshing and also sort of speaks to your skill, besides putting your life behind your head, is that like you have this, you amalgamate all of these things in your process to the point where you don't have one, which is perfect.

Yeah, I mean, look, I do like having a task that I feel is impossible. To say for something like Tar, I thought I don't know how to read a score. I learned piano as a girl, but I have to break this score apart and choose the bits that we're going to play and I really have to learn how to do this. And so in a way, the part was so overwhelming. It's not a film about conducting, as I said, but it gave me something to do to stave off

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This is a little bit of a left turn, but have you seen O'Mary on Broadway? No, I haven't. I have to tell you, I'm getting to know you a little bit now, I think that like, you are going to absolutely love it. I've heard it's amazing. Yes. Everyone I know who's seen it's loved it.

Next time you're in New York. I've now seen it with three different Marys. I've seen it with Kola Skola. I've seen Hannah Solo, The Understudy, and Betty Gilbin. I've always saw Betty Gilbin, who was fantastic. And it's just... And different every time. Every time.

And it's just really interesting to see something start as that off-Broadway moment and then Nicole was doing it and to now see an actress like Betty doing it. The interpretation is like it's ever evolving. I just think you have such an amazing sense of humor. You would absolutely love this. I don't know how long you're in town. Yeah, next time. It's such a... No, well... Yeah, humor. You would absolutely love this. Yeah, oh, next time. I don't know how long you're in town.

It's such a, no, well. Yeah, right, you're doing your thing. I just came in to see you guys. Ha ha ha! And we're so happy. It was worth it. We canceled a show at the Barbeque in London. But I'm so happy.

OK, so it might be time to do I Don't Think So Honey, which is our 60-second segment where we take something in pop culture that really needs to get pummeled into the ground Yes, you know and I have something okay It's sort of been popping up for years now, and I I would like it's disturbing you I can like a far Yeah, that was my tell White sneaker let's go all right. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts now

I don't think so honey, buddy one of my buddies. I got a buddy who Let me tell you something buddy like I maybe it's the consonants the B in the D I don't think so, honey. Buddy. One of my buddies, I got a buddy who, let me tell you something, buddy. Like maybe it's the consonants, the B and the D. I don't think- Fricative, or I don't know. It's too fricative, and I was gonna use the word fricative. Or maybe it's not even fricative.

A buddy of you, not a buddy? Yeah, my thing is just like, it feels like something, and it's been used sexually a couple times with me. Oh, yes! When my white sneakers were really popping off and I don't like it there. I don't know what it is. 30 seconds.

It feels like when you use the word buddy, you're not saying friend. It feels like something we're like backing off or like trying to. It's an active aggression. Yes. Yeah, it's an active aggression, the use of the word buddy,

or it's just not committing to what it is. It's my close friend. It's my, you know, I think some people, especially the gay guys I've been having sex with, I'm your lover, okay? Call me something else, not buddy. It's like when someone calls you dude. And that's very fricative as well, we think maybe. D&D. Dude and buddy, I'm just not feeling it. I think we should say, like, I think we should just use our words with more intention, because buddy, it's existing in a gray area. I don't think say, like, I think we should just use our words with more intention.

Because buddy, it's existing in a gray area. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, you know? Do you use buddy? But I do say dude a bit. Dude is okay for you. Instead of for a straight white woman to say dude. Absolutely. I think dude is fine. I have less of a problem with it. It's not my f— I guess what I'm saying is when gay guys—

My same— I'm going out with my buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what— I guess what I'm saying is when gay guys... My same— I'm going out with my buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what am I to you? Right. Yeah, where do I exist? Because buddy isn't like— it's existing in an area between acquaintance and friend. I've never thought about it. I don't like it.

This is an educational podcast. This is an educational podcast. Friend, I'm going to put a theory out there. The English language is sort of limited in the kind of words we have for friend. Buddy, I don't like when someone's like... Five times out of ten, I'm gonna say. Mm-hmm. Half the time. Half the time.

When someone says, hey, friend, I go, huh? Like, I shudder a bit. Well, hey, no, here's what I'm saying. It's not... Hey, anything. Hey, you, hey, buddy, hey, friend. It's like, hello? Hello. Ex-squeeze me? It's just like... I'd... Hey anything. Yeah. Hey you, hey buddy, hey friend. It's like, hello?

Hello. Yeah. Ex-squeeze me? Yeah. It's just like, you're done. I'd rather just ex-squeeze me. Ex-squeeze me is back now as a result of you saying it. It's the same kind of weird, we haven't found the right word yet that feels right on the

tongue. For what? For friend. For friendship. In the same way that we don't have the good words for marijuana. Weed, pot. Yeah, but I like reefer. Dooby, reefer.

Delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. But what would you say? In what context are you calling someone a friend or a buddy or a mate or a pal? I think I got triggered. I like pal. Pal. I like mate too.

Mate is fun. Mate is just, it's not. Not in Australia. It's just so overused. Is it really? Mate. Get out of my, mate. I don't know.

But maybe the way you say it's probably not so bad. I've got some mates into it. I mean, it doesn't sound right. But you know, don't you think lover is such a kind of, um. Yeah, I don't like it. I feel like it's taking your shirt off in an inappropriate way. It's too intimate. At a dinner.

But sweetheart, I think my sweetheart is really nice. You know what I say when my friends make fun of me? I say, thank you, my love. I love my love. I love my love. At restaurants, I say my love. I call a lot of people my love and our friend Jared is always like, I want to die when you say it.

And I'm like, well, that's how I feel about Buddy. I love my love. But you wouldn't call away to Buddy. Or if you did, so I was in the service industry for 10 years, I've done hard yards. Getting called Buddy, it feels degrading. Maybe that's what I'm picking up on. Yes, it's a post-trauma.

Yes. You haven't recovered from your waiting time as a waiter. I think this, we stumbled upon it. It's that, it feels like a little bit of a put down, or it feels like that's maybe what I'm getting at with it, that it feels non-committal. You know what I mean? It's just, it's, there's something, it's pat. Punched down about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pat. It's pat. Maybe. It's simply pat. It's simply pat. Okay, so. It's interesting, fascinating. I don't know. Yeah, I just needed to walk that through. And I'm happy we did here today. Okay, so this is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think It's Funny. Did you come prepared today?

I did. And this has been brewing for several years as well. We're really unearthing a lot. Oh wow, okay. This ended up being therapy. I'm here. So this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey Hakuna Matata. Oh. No worries for the rest of your days. Privileged. I'm worried. It's not even a privilege thing. It's a detachment from the human condition, which is to experience, experience stake, experience some kind of investment in the future. And how can you be invested in the future if you're not worried a little bit about losing the thing that you want, about letting go of desire?

30 seconds. It feels too Buddhist, too aggressively Buddhist, which is not what Buddhism is, which is which is anathema to Buddhism in the first place. You can't be an aggressive Buddhist to say no worries for the rest of your days to be that absolute about not worrying. Something's off. 15 seconds. You're numbing yourself too much to circumstance, to what life throws at you.

You're going to be, because guess what? Everyone in this room, I'm looking at you, Mahid, Matt behind the camera, we're all worried. You all have something to worry about. You all have something to worry about. They're pretending not to be, but they're worried. Also, not for nothing, they were a warthog and a groundhog. What were they? A meerkat.

A meerkat, thank you. In Africa, you have worries. You've got worries. There are predators all around you. Be worried, stay vigilant in these streets. And by these streets, I do mean the prairie lands. The prairie lands. The jungles.

Yes, this red room. This red room. Stay on your toes. Be afraid, be very afraid. Hakuna Matata, I think not. It's rule of culture number 14. Hakuna Matata, I think not. I love that bow in thank you

It's from the heart. Yeah, we were told that you came prepared as well. I meant to have one I'm not gonna be as eloquent as you are. That's okay, but I have something I have a lot of things that really You know, what's the first bit? I have to say I don't think so honey. I You say, I don't think so honey blank. I don't think so honey this thing. And we're going to put the timer up, but I think you should feel unbounded by this. Okay. Unwored. I don't think so honey timing.

I don't think so honey. No. Hakuna matata in terms of this. In terms of this. No, my blood pressure's just gone up. Okay. We're just going to put it up just for ceremony. Okay.

This is Kay Blanchett's, I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey leaving the toilet seat up Talking about the lid I am talking about the thing that you sit on of course in a domestic setting Men may think or people with penises may think that their aim is good No, but it is all over the seat and I have to put that thing down because in the end everyone sits down more than they stand up. And when you are at somebody else's house and it's not only the pee that goes onto the seat, it's little bits of hair.

And you think I want to touch that? You think I want to smell that? And so I have to put it down and then I put the seat down and then the whole thing comes up and it starts all over again. And if you are in a public bathroom, it's like I am going to invest in a shiwi because you know what a shiwi is? Oh my god, it's a cup with a little tube on it that women use for going for a bush we when they're camping. I don't want to have to spend money just because people who need to put the, should be putting the seat down can't peeve straight.

Right. Oh my God. Yeah, so it's my whole thing is the toilet seat thing. And I have, I live in a household with three boys and my husband and each of them say, I always put it down, which is almost more in right there. The lies, lies, lies. That's the plot of Black Bag.

And that's one minute. There's a traitor in your midst. Yeah. But this is... You're gonna defend yourself? No, I'm not defending, no, no, no. I don't wanna hear your defense because it is not true. I'm not defending myself.

I'm actually- But. I'm self, I'm sort of self-owning when I say, it's always so jarring. This is the thing about living alone. I'm go, well, that's my hair. I gotta get mad at myself. But do you find yourself getting mad at yourself if you go, well.

I don't shed. Yeah. But you can't control that, can you? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, years of work. I am tourist, tourist, tourist. I told you that before we came in. I'm very controlling.

Hair, stay in there. I can't stand going to someone else's bathroom and when they're okay with hair being all over the toilet. Like I am essentially like a top level cleaner whenever I have anyone coming over, I make sure I put muscle into it. I know, but do you put the lid down? Always.

Yes. I want photographic evidence. That's what my husband said. And he said, come on, just leave me alone. It's six in the morning. I do put it down. And I go to the toilet saying, it's like, do I take a... We've been married 27 years and we are still married because I just had to let it go.

But I, and I tried to teach my boys, but I realized they're imprinted on my husband. So I failed as a parent. No, no, no. I have, I have, I have. No, no, no. I was exposing my sons in a way that I probably shouldn't be. We don't know which of the sons. Yeah.

All of them. Well, you've now specified. Yeah. So there we go. All of them. You can ask us for photographic evidence. You as a mother, this is your, your success as a mother is that you're not asking photographic evidence. You as a mother, this is your success as a mother, is that you're not asking photographic evidence of them.

You would never make them take it. It's true, I know, I don't shame them. Right. No. But they do get the passive aggressive, ugh, every time I go to the bathroom. My thing is, and I'll reveal this, and I bet you'll agree, the older I get, I'm sitting down to pee more anyway.

Oh yeah. Well, no, see, this is the thing, because I do have male friends who sit down out of deference to their friends of all sexual situations and orientations. I'm going to sit down because I'm not going to miss if I sit down. Exactly. The risk becomes exponentially less when you are, when quite frankly, your dick is already in the bowl.

Exactly. And if you don't have a dick, you know, your hole's in the bowl. Your hole's in the bowl. Honestly. It's a hole's in the bowl. Honestly. It's a win-win all around. This is huge. And with that... You can cut that out. My mother's gonna listen. Sorry, Mom.

Sorry, Mom. No, and this is good for us for Berghain because there's the piss goblin there. There's probably a hole in the bowl room. There's a hole in the bowl room. You know, we're all gonna be sitting. I'm sitting on the piss goblin. Okay. And I won't get, I will not get photographic evidence of that. No, you can't. No.

But I'll get the descriptor. Absolutely. We'll fill you in. Have fun. Thank you. We're going to have the best time just like we did today. This was so amazing to have you. It's such an honor.

Thanks for having me. It's so great to meet you and you really are just one of the best and this has just been so lovely. One of the best. Well, would been so lovely. One of the best? Well, would you... Is that like calling me your friend? Would you... No, your buddy.

Hey buddy, you're one of the best. Listen buddy, you're one of the best. No, you're meant to say to every guest, you're the best. You are the greatest of all time. And they leave feeling good about themselves. Oh my God. And the next one comes in, you are the best. You are the best.

Like you two are. Undisputed. You're the und you are the best. You are the best. Like you two are. Undisputed. You're the undisputed best. We named an award after you for good acting. Kate Blanchett Award for good acting. I know. It was named after you. I was so chuffed.

And confused. I can understand. When we sent those to Ashton, we're like, are they gonna have any reference for this? And then the fact that you went out and did it, we were like, thank you for the commitment. Bless you. Well, we ended up episode with a song.

We sure do. I wish we only had, we're an orchestra right now, we can play and be conducted. Second cello. Let's see. Boy, you got my heartbeat running away. Beatin' like a drum and it's comin' your way. Oh, I feel like boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-ba- I think I tried a harmony there and it didn't work.

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