Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Hundred. Period!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

The culture catch-up to end all culture catch-ups, this episode has Matt Rogers & Bowen Yang dropping a dramatic announcement about the long-delayed LCCA's, reviewing their Thanksgivings and previewing their New Years, and demanding the readers to send in photos of their fabulous hikes! And then: culture. House of Gucci. Prosthetics culture. Adele's 30. Rebecca Hall's Passing. Nicki on the Potomac reunion. The legendary Stephen Sondheim. West Side Story buzz (RACHEL ZEGLER COME ON THE POD). The flop Grammy Nominations drama. Channeling whilst creating art. Selling Sunset. Survivor. A recap of The Morning Show finale and a celebration of the third graders. And the question: should Bowen be Boq in Wicked? This specnomenal episode pulled all the way up in the Sri Lanka. Wouldn't you agree? We do... Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas calling. Well, back in the home, back in the habit. Back in the home, back in the habit. Did your ac get fixed oh heater situation my heater got fixed but let me tell you what now we're getting a little dehydrated now as a result of heater season and i think a lot of publicists and readers can relate also can we just say i'm sorry because i keep wanting to bring up the lost culture east as culture awards i think i think should we just announce that the the ceremony is not happening the winners are

will never be announced i think we cannot say at this time no man i i gave a read i read through the nominees the other day i was like none of this makes sense anymore. This is so... I think that... Such a snapshot of summer 2021. It doesn't work. Okay. We're ready to announce at this time that we wish our nominations leader all the best,

but we feel it would be in poor taste to continue with this ceremony as the world currently stands. So the Las Coloresas Culture Awards they are cancelled. They are cancelled. Oh no. Publicists, you've been fired.

We're so sorry. And it's because you guys did a bad job. Okay? You guys did a bad job. How dare you? How dare you? You made us do this. You had one thing to do which is push your clients

and there was not enough of that better luck next time better luck next year see you next year see you next year publicist flops anyways um well it's it's almost like bowen you know what i've been loving lately is lost culture narratives you know what i mean we've had one narrative and in a happy way, which is your heat is better, but with a twist now it's too hot. And we have one narrative that's sort of ending with a very terribly

sad ending, which is that the Lost Culture Recess Culture Awards will not stand. But also, what are awards anyway? You know what I'm saying? Icon Award winner Pat Regan has said, awards are so silly. Awards are so silly. are so silly let me tell you something i'm looking at a girl who's lost two emmys girl this loser and i can tell you either way it would not have done a damn thing i would not have changed i haven't changed let's

just let's make that let's make it clear this one's been the same for years and no emmy is gonna change my girl and actually rule of culture number 44 no Emmy is going to change my girl. And actually, rule of culture number 44, no Emmy is going to change my girl. Except when I win an Emmy, I'll be changing. No, I think I want Matt Rodgers to win an award of prestige so badly.

Because I really want people to see with their own eyes how you will stay true to yourself. I need to be the gold standard for staying true to yourself and that's actually true i think you are already i just think people people need to see it with their own eyes not that people don't not that people don't i've always told you that if i one day i'm on my deathbed and i haven't egotted i'll be p o'd i'll be pissed off if i don't e got i'll be so pissed off i feel like

i'll just be irate if i haven't you got it by this my by my tod time of death i think there will be it's a it's a long career you got ahead of you i think that we should you got for all the same projects that'll be hard but it'll be really hard it's like it's like it's like adding another hurdle you know what i mean because if i got without you i'll be like yeah thanks and then if we got together i'll be so happy so i'm just like i'm not gonna be satisfied with just that you got if you're not there with me girl the way you are my sister in every way i have really i know i do this like every other week but I really do miss my girl so much. But the way, capital T, capital W,

I'm going to be seeing you pretty shortly. We just made New Year's plans, y'all. We just made New Year's plans. Should we announce? No. Well, I would love to announce because I would love... Well, I would just love recommendations.

Yeah, actually, I think it's fine to say we're going to Mexico City. We're going to CDMX. We can't wait. And we can't wait to go see the museums, the town squares, the architecture, all of it. Well, I was talking, Bowen and I FaceTimed the other day and I was telling you that. So we're going with Sudi and Mo. It was originally their trip and we've kind of hopped on. So Sudi, when I was like,

maybe I'll be interested in going to Mexico City. She goes, she sort of dragged me without meaning to. I told you what she said. She goes, well, it's not going to be a lot of relaxing. It's going to be activities. And I was like, oh, what kind of activities? And she goes, a lot of museums. And I could tell she was trying to warn me because she thought I wouldn't enjoy the museums. But I a cultured girl okay i'm las culturistas you're a

lost you're lost culturistas i think i think there's i see what you're saying i also think maybe she as a very good friend of yours knows that you don't love museums like you don't pursue museums when you travel i don't think that's all she was trying to say maybe i'm turning over a new leaf maybe i want to see oh that's an she was trying to say. Maybe I'm turning over a new leaf. Maybe I want to see, oh, that's an interesting rock. You know, where did it come from? You know, maybe, oh, that's an interesting bowl. What culture made it? You know what I mean? Like, I sort of want to understand

and get into museum culture and it's never too late. If only there were a rock and bowl museum that you could go to in every city in the world. In every city in the world. Girl every city in the world. Girl. But there is also, there's nightlife.

Mexico City absolutely is going to deliver in that regard. Mexico City. I don't know why I said it. Like Mexico City. Mexico City. Has a lot of nightlife. Has a lot of queer culture. Oh, absolutely.

Oh, it's called like the Pink Square or something. The Zona Rosa or something. No, the Pink Zone. I love that. The Pink Zone. Oh, absolutely. totally wrong on this is Zona Rosa. And that's sort of why we reach out to the readers. You know, please. We don't know anything. No, no. And we should just say, like, first and foremost, like, of course, we come on to this podcast. And from the beginning, we've called ourselves experts. But that's not true. I mean, we're going to pull the curtain back right now.

Okay. That's never been true. It's not true. Everybody, calm down. Just calm down. We're rarely right. That's so true. Everybody, calm down. Just calm down. We're rarely right. That's so, I mean, I think, okay. I think the real readers know,

because we're back to being readers now. Publicists have been fired. You're all readers once again. Publicists have been fired. The real readers know that we don't know anything. Yeah, we don't know shit. We really don't. And so sometimes people sort of get upset at us

for getting things wrong. And you just have to understand that is the big lie. That's the other big lie. That's the other big lie. It's actually rule of culture number 10. The other big lie is that we know anything. We don't know anything. Anyway, can we catch up on life first?

There's a lot of culture to get into. I can't even believe... Bowen, it's actually one of those things where it's like you we catch up on life first? There's a lot of culture to get into. I can't even believe, Bowen, it's actually one of those things where it's like, you say catch up on life, and it actually sort of bleeds in together with the culture. For me, anyway, because it has been such a ripe time for the culture. Bowen said, well, we have a guest on this week, and I said,

you know what? And I'm still buzzing and on a high from our guest last week, Dr. Wendy. That was amazing. We love her i feel like you guys did too it sounds like you guys did too okay out there it sounds like there was even some minds changed that maybe were we love some ridiculous reason not team wendy and now you are we love you we kiss you but there has been so much culture i said i think it just has to be me and my sister because we have so much to wade through but but it seems like you want to talk life. So if I'm thinking about what's gone on in

my life, definitely there was Thanksgiving. Yeah, definitely. And how did you feel about it? You know what? First year ever in my adult life where I didn't cook a turkey. Mom insisted on going to a nice quote unquote brunch that she booked at a place that we love to go to for a Thanksgiving meal. The only time she could get was 10 a.m. Okay, that's early. Definitely early. We got up. We had Thanksgiving at 10 a.m.

And that is actually... Oh, wait a minute. This was maybe going to be my own thanks, honey. But I'm sorry. I just commandeered asking you what life was like. No, no a minute. This was maybe going to be my own thanks to honey, but I'm sorry. I just commandeered asking you what life was like. No, no, no. Cause, cause, cause I said I didn't, I didn't really have it because my, my life has been so much culture.

Cause I stayed in LA for Thanksgiving. So go off. Okay. So, so I'll just, let me just finish this up and then we'll get into the culture because I respect that. I actually am. I envy that. I envy that culture was your life.

Hundred. Hundred. Period. Hundred period. Hundred. Period. Hundred period. Hundred period. So had 10 a.m. Thanksgiving, which I had no real, so to speak,

misgivings about. Right. And then after that, my parents and I go on a hike in Castlewood Canyon, Colorado. Beautiful hiking trail. We go on a hike and then I was going to make side dishes

for dinner, quote unquote, and just like make like mac and cheese mashed potatoes stuffing like and then just really we all will we all come to the table for it to be honest with you exactly i still want to drag turkey no no no exactly right so i went on a hike with my parents i documented it on instagram everybody commenting why are your parents not wearing hiking clothes why are they wearing went on a hike with my parents. I documented it on Instagram. Everybody commenting, why are your parents not wearing hiking clothes? Why are they wearing button downs and bedazzled sweaters and stuff like this? And I basically was like,

I got into one reply with someone and I was like, because they're immigrants, darling dear. Check yourself. The rules don't have to apply. And it's kind of beautiful when people don't assimilate. Yes. And if they want to wear a fucking crazy sweater as they hike and like a loafer, let's say, they can.

And it's okay. And if they want to eat Thanksgiving dinner at 10 a.m., that's okay. Step outside the box, everyone. Come on. It's queering the culture. My parents are queer. My parents are queer after this year, after this Thanksgiving, they're queer. The gangs are queer culture and they're here to stay. Okay. And they're here to stay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, mama. Rulan, he is a queer God okay and i'm saying it here on the podcast one of the gayest men in america ming is a she she she she rules the queer school she and share actually together have a power they dictate queer culture they're the chancellor when i see all you guys out on your hikes now and

you're not wearing what you would call a fabulous sweater or a fancy sweater that my mother that that man wore if you're not wearing what men wore out on the on the trails then then you're not actually getting it you're not queering the hike space and that's actually a flop flop oh as to quote nikki minaj on the real house is the potomac let's not much so fliznop but wow i can't believe that some people just want to pick on little things, huh? It's okay. I don't think a lot of them were picking on it. They were just confused. This is the first time they had seen this.

Right. And I think they had a lot of questions. Of course. And I, maybe for a second, mistook it as, well, they're being un-queer. They're being very normative. And now I just want to tell everybody yeah queer the hiking space queer your hiking space wear your heels wear your heels tell where your heels wear

your heels on a hike try it try it and send us a photo tag us and we and we will repost we will repost 100 if you this is really asking them to get into a dangerous situation, but I'm going there anyway. I would love for you to tag yourself and your girlfriends. Yes. Out on the hike in your heels, everyone. Get over to the nearest cliff, get to the vista. Take a photo of you in your heels on a hike and tag it at Las Culturistas. Hashtag heels on a hike.

Hashtag queering the hike. I feel like this is dangerous. And maybe we don't promote this. But if you can wear a bedazzled sweater on the hike, please do so. That is just as queering as the heels. How about this? It doesn't have to be heels.

If it is extra points, whatever extra points means, you know, we can dictate later. But just take a picture of yourself on a fabulous hike. That's all I'm saying. Oh my God, you smoke a reefer.

I thought we were smoking. I thought we always smoke reefer on the culture catch-ups. So I'm so, so let me just, let me pull back the curtain. No, no, no. I want you to indulge and go there,

but let me pull back the curtain. So today I had my first rehearsal for Have You Heard of Christmas with Henry. How did it go? It went really well. We got through all the songs. I only went up on my lyrics a couple times, which is fine. But it's feeling good to sort of use my hashtag instrument again.

But I am also realizing it's been a long time. Of course. So I'm getting back into it. My first shows are this weekend in Chicago. I'm getting back into it. My first shows are this weekend in Chicago. I'm very excited. But I've definitely been as a result of me trying to be a little bit more safe with my voice. I've been very much a shut in. And so that has resulted in me. I respect this to the high heavens.

I have been absorbing so much coach and going out and doing some things like me and Mo actually had a fabulous Thanksgiving together we really did I saw the stories it looked really lovely and Vanya the cat was with us and Vanya is of course my gay godson so gay and he was so gay and fabulous and you could tell he wanted to get into the food

so much you know that thing of when a pet wants to get into the food that is such culture. We've all seen it. Oh, we've all seen it. We all know this girl. Beethoven with the drumstick. Hilarious.

Hilarious. One of the comedy icons, Beethoven, that dog, knew the assignment. A lot of people would say he did what he needed to do. He did what he needed to do.

Had the turkey leg in his mouth while still giving you droopy eyes going huh just deadpan deadpan god just giving you aubrey plaza before she was even around okay that is true aubrey plaza was not around when beethoven came out aubrey plaza was what a zygote a zygote a blastula she was a zygotic, young, deadpan doer. But after Beethoven. Anyway, so you've been really resting. You've been shutting in.

You're protecting the instrument. I say bravo. Thank you. And that's premature. No. But we hope to hear a lot of that all throughout December. Ha ha! All right.

So basically, when I say that a culture has been my experience so far, what I mean is there's been so much out there. There really has been. To chew on and talk about. I think that number one, and, you know, we'll talk about all of it,

but number one, I would say, Bowen, this, of course, is a Little Monster podcast. Yeah. And I think that, you know, while you say that, you know, Lady Gaga changed her life

in terms of her music, I would consider myself Lady Gaga's number one fan as an actress. Because I actually saw Star is Born a record four times the first weekend it came out.

And I have seen House of Gucci twice. This is incredible. And let me just say without the this encapsulates a lot of my feelings about the movie would not see it again even even though i also i too love lady gaga as an actress you love her so much that you would see the movie twice so what when the first viewing of the film was over i had regrets about having a plan to see it a second time. Because here's the thing about House of Gucci. I don't think it's good.

I agree. But Lady Gaga is- Spectacular. Spectacular. Would you agree? You said spectacular. I said phenomenal, bitch. At the same time, you didn't hear me, honey. Specnominal.

Specnominal. Title of app. Title of app. Specnominal. Specnominal. Lady Gaga is specnominal. Specnominal. That's title of app. That is title of app title up spec nominal nominal lady gaga is spec nominal that's okay that is title of app so you loved her i loved her so much she actually here's the thing like i was texting with dave about it and he said to me i did because here's the deal like in the press

for the movie in the trailer for the movie there is a degree of oh my god this is going to be camp and a little bit of nervousness like did, did she go too far this time? I did not laugh at her. Right. At all. To me, I bought her entire performance. I actually felt that Lady Gaga's performance

was the tone. Yes. That it was supposed to be. That it was supposed to be. And then every other actor, unfortunately, was not in the same movie. I I mean I think that much has been made of this already online like

I'm not seeing something new anyway but I actually think it unfortunately falls on the director Ridley Scott because there was almost no direction in this movie it was like you had Lady Gaga doing House of Gucci what it should have been and it really you know that's that

you had Adam Driver sort of like underplaying it in a way that unfortunately was dull. And then Jared Leto in what I'm calling the Waluigi biopic. Purple. Because Paolo was wearing purple. Babe, this was

a zoo animal performance. I have no way. I think now we can all say not ours. We don't claim him. We don't think anything of him. No. I think there are some people out there

like us who might really enjoy him. Here's the deal. And I'm saying we shouldn't. I am not a fan. And this is... And I've had issues with certain things before but like for me this is my this is actually a issue i have with the movie he deliberately and willfully did not match her and i think i actually called the performance narcissistic and and and

like egocentric 100 because he obviously it's the prosthetics of it all because first of all paulo gucci did not look like that yeah so it's the prosthetics it's the hammy hammy hammy overacting which yes some of that blame does fall on ridley scott but it just felt like like uh chewing the scenery performance in a movie that did not require that or need that and i almost think it's a casting issue because why don't you just put someone in that movie in that role that actually embodies that person? Therefore, you wouldn't be telling the actor, hey, you're in a prosthetic in a movie with Lady Gaga.

And he thinks because he didn't gauge it correctly that that meant I'm going to deliver Waluigi biopic. Can we, I have a feeling this probably can't be confirmed. This is just conjecture. I feel like he probably was the one to push for the prosthetics. It reads to me as, you know, he's the one who demanded those prosthetics. That's what I'm saying. And so really, I think I just grimaced anytime,

especially in the scene with Gaga, where like the father-son house of Gucci scene, I was just like, he upset me. I was like, stop it, cut it out. It was completely distracting. And also it is credit to Gaga that she's able to anchor that scene. And she actually manages something kind of speck nominal,

which is that she's able to be the fun thing in every scene and also anchor it. Yes. Wow, you're so right. My sister, genius. You know what I'm saying? It's like when she is not on screen, why are we watching it? Exactly.

Do you think, and I guess obviously the filmmakers did think that this was supposed to be something everyone went to because it was an epic about Gucci. If you thought that, then you would give us something in the writing early on that makes us care about Gucci. There was nothing in this movie that said outside akin to the assassination of Johnny Versace, which really let you know what Versace was all about. You pronounced it correctly. Versace. Versace. You're so right because even when she meets him for the first time at the party,

it's like there's no like, there's no, there's no like, she doesn't like widen her eyes when like he like tells her who she is or something, you know? Like there should be something that like flips in her when she finds out who like, like who his family is. You know, I think she, she hints at it a little bit, but also it's

never a thing. It's not her problem. I think it's in the script. Like there's no, there's no moment in the direction. There's no moment. Anyway, sorry. Yeah. I would say that that my my issue is that if you're going to because again like i feel that this movie actually commits a lot of the same errors that star is born did which is once it loses her it loses us because in the last 40 minutes which by the way this is a two hour and 40 minute movie and you feel every minute of the last 40 minutes, which by the way, this is a two hour and 40 minute movie. And you feel every minute of the last 40 minutes because when they bring in Reeve Carney as Tom Ford, it's like, wait, so this so this is a movie about Gucci or is it a movie about her?

Because that's not how the first half of the movie was. It was very much about her. And then all of a sudden it's not. And we have to watch that long scene at the end, which is Moritz Yoguchi played by Adam driver getting dismissed from the company. And it's like, wait, this is not the part that we ever cared about.

Right? Exactly. Exactly. It was. Yeah, I agree. It was a slow crawl. And then by the time she shows up again with Salma looking like Joe

Calderon, who does what? Like that scene. It's so, she's, again, she's not even doing that much like campy stuff. I would call it not camp.

But even just like the, it's not camp, but even the fun, like the fun part that you remember is who does what, the way she like points her finger, but it's still like,

I don't know. It's still so, I mean, that just speaks to how like much her absence is felt in that last 40 minutes. You know, the thing is like, that just speaks to how, like, much her absence has felt in that last 40 minutes. You know, the thing is, like, in the trailer, when you see, like, who does what and don't miss,

and, like, it's time to take out the trash, you're laughing and you're like, oh, no. But then when you watch the movie, her performance is very consistent. Do you know what I wish they had more scenes of? What? Gaga and Jeremy Irons. I think all we got was that meal

where they first meet. And that scene is great because of the two of them. Mm-hmm. Like, it's so, like, it's just, I thought that was a decent scene, like, out of the many, like, weird scenes in the movie.

Pretty much every time she's on screen, I enjoy the movie. Yeah. It's just that too much of it forgets that. Yeah. Too much of it thinks that the interesting thing is this epic tale of the rise and fall of Maurizio Gucci and the Gucci family. When meanwhile, that is not why we buy the ticket.

And maybe I'm being presumptuous here, but I almost feel a more interesting movie completely leaves 80% of this behind and is merely about what happens when she gets divorced and what her life becomes. And I think there's a more interesting movie about the plot with Salma and these guys

and the aftermath of the murder, realizing what she's done and that she didn't get away with it. That, to me, is the more interesting film. I love that. Oh, my God. Very, like, Itania almost. And we saw none of it. I know. We saw him.

I mean, spoiler alert, I guess, if you haven't seen it. But by this point, whatever. We'll put it in the liner notes. But we see him getting murdered and then she writes Paradiso in her journal, which really happened. And then you see her getting sentenced,

pretty much. That's it. And then the credits roll, yeah. Right. And meanwhile, isn't there so much more to the fact that she did not get away with this,

probably thought she would, or maybe didn't. Like like there's just a lot more to explore in terms of the character of Patricia Reggiani that I feel the movie doesn't have much interest in and I think it's a mistake the way you just broke this down

for everybody really really impressive yes the readers that stick with the pod know that when they trot out these movies at the end of the year and see these are the Oscar movies, I take that seriously. And I'm like, okay,

well, if this is like defining the culture, I mean, you all heard that I was not easy on Promising Young Woman in that script. And I respect the fact that it won the Oscar for best original screenplay, but I hold these things to a high standard for better or worse. And no one went into House of Gucci wanting to love high standard for better or worse and no one went

into house of gucci wanting to love it more and i leave and it's a seven because of the strength of her performance and i think al pacino is fabulous oh pacino was you and i talked about how we both loved pacino absolutely oh my god he was so great he should be the buzzy supporting performance yes yes agree i think that sometimes the industry and actors get so up their own ass about the transformation of it all that they're not thinking about tone. Like this Jared Leto performance is willfully bad. Yeah. He was,

he kind of was throwing the movie a little bit. It felt like he didn't respect her. Exactly. That's what I'll say. Prosthetics in movies, for the most part, are just like the perfect symbol of this obsession with losing,

like disappearing into the role, which is so fucking overrated. Yeah, I don't think we actually need it. You know what I mean? I don't care. I don't care. And this is a thing is like, you know, American ended a while back but even with sarah paulson in that in that series which i thought she was great like i don't know if i needed the prosthetic or maybe

it was and i think she's an amazing actress and you know whatever but maybe it's not the right person for the part then if you have to like put put a prosthetic on, to make it clear how, quote unquote, ugly this person was. You know what I mean? Like it's just, there's something nasty about it. I can't put my finger on it,

but the prosthetic of it all, throws me, because it takes, I think we're moving, I think we're going to move out of it, because I think we, we aren't the only ones who feel this way. I think there's like, we're at a breaking point with it,

with the House of Gucci, I think. That's what I'm saying. Like, very soon we will. Like, I think in like 10 years, the industry will avoid it so much. Yeah. Truly.

Yeah. It's not like a CGI thing where it's like, oh, no, they can develop the technology better. It's that it just it's this thing of like, why? Like, what is it really saying when we like make someone look a certain way with these like little attachments to their face or something or body? Like, I don't know what that says about the role if it's being if it's like if it's an adaptation of a real story or something, you know, it's like that kind of. Also notice that it usually is applied on an actor that is a perfectly symmetrical physical specimen. I mean, Jared Leto is a beautiful person.

Like anyone in the world could objectively say, oh, that is a beautiful man. Even in this performance, like his eyes just kept exploding out to me. I'm like, see, here's the deal. With the prosthetic on, I'm actually remembering more and more that this is jared leto yes no 100 he did not disappear into it at all for me because

it was clownery so the wink the wink the wink was too big it like cut through the prosthetic yeah yeah it just was it was not effective and i it's rough because and i think that the thing with him is he gets a lot of credit for being someone who quote-unquote disappears into roles like you know he's obviously not a transgender woman he won an oscar for playing one probably right in the nick of time probably about a year and a half later that would have been completely unacceptable but he did win an oscar for dallas byers club for playing a transgender woman he obviously is one of the you know list of jokers that we have and he was method on that set and sending his cast members like rats in the mail literally um i just it's too much for me and he's like i'm over it i'm over the jared leto thing and like like i've been for a

while and house of gucci just to me because i feel it was disrespectful that's why that's this is where i'm completely yeah i think we it's so funny like to me jared leto is someone who while he's like had these dumb little transgressions and he seems to be an insufferable person, like he hasn't ever like made me care how I feel about him. And now I actually care enough to say that I dislike him. Yeah. It's not, it's, I don't,

I think he's like, you know what the thing is? Like, like he, to me is one of the frustrating ones because like, I do feel like he does have talent. You know what I mean? I can totally see he's a talented person.

I think he's a talented musician. His music is not for me, but I actually heard him do a cover of Rihanna's Stay one time on that Radio Lounge or Radio One Lounge, the British thing. Oh yeah, BBC One. BBC One. It was fantastic.

And I think that when he plays roles that are appropriate for him, and we could get into a larger discussion about what role is quote-unquote appropriate for an actor whose job is to inhabit other things, but I just think, for me, I actually come out of it way more when I see him playing

far from himself. You know when I like him? My so-called life. You know when I like him? Girl Interrupted. You know what I like him? My so-called life. You know when I like him? Girl Interrupted. You know what I mean? I like him when he's giving something that I identify with and I recognize. Yeah, yeah. I don't like Waluigi biopic.

I have a really strange, potentially unfair question to ask. Sure. This is just... I just want to see... Because I can't... I don't know what the answer is to this. Let's say Linda Tripp, Sarah Paulson. Would it have worked? Would she have been good or effective in the role if she didn't have the prosthetics on,

if she wasn't wearing the fat suit? I don't know. Here's the thing. I think she's always going to be good because I think that Sarah is incredibly talented. And I left watching that series, which I did watch the whole thing. I was actually really impressed with her

because I thought there was a degree of humanity that she gave the character. My issue lies in, you know, there's a lot of plus size actresses. That's 100%. She is a gorgeous, thin, blonde woman. And again- I guess I'm asking this because I haven't seen it.

So I don't know how much of- She's incredible. No, no, I woman. And again, I guess I'm asking this because I haven't seen it, so I don't know how much of... She's incredible. No, no, I'm sure she's incredible, but I'm not sure how much the show makes it a characteristic that she is fat. But then you've told me there's so many lean cuisine scenes

and all this stuff. Yeah. I'm sure the human Linda Tripp was obviously, the way people perceived her was obviously informed by her weight and her figure and that's why you get like John Goodman playing her on SNL like it's like

that's what's shitty you know it's like ooh there is a narrative thread in the series which is yes from the first episode you see her sort of you know following 90s diet trends but it's less about her weight that she's made fun of and ridiculed

and bullied in the public eye and more because of two things one she fully betrayed her best friend and it was like a very to the public at the time and you could agree you could argue now uh black and white betrayal oh she's a she's. Right. And it does color in some shades of gray, but she definitely did something that I think the series sort of hints at that she regretted for the rest of her life because it did destroy Monica's life at the time. But also, it's more about her getting ridiculed

because she is, and this is like the word that they would all use, ugly. It's about how ugly she is, how ugly she is, how ugly she is. And so by the end of the first season, and this really happened, Linda Tripp in real life got extensive cosmetic surgery to look completely different. So that A, she wouldn't be recognizable and and you know torn apart for the rest of her life and she could start her life over but also b because sarah paulson actually has a line in the last episode where she says you know i never actually realized how ugly i was until everyone told me which is heartbreaking there's something to the fact that there's a

fucking gorgeous actress playing her who has no shortage of opportunities right so that's i guess you know it's it's an interesting conversation yeah and when that's there's no responsibility or any sort of like stage gate for like someone for sarah to be like i shouldn't take the role you know like that's not what we're saying we're just saying there's this dilemma in hollywood that may or may not go yeah Yeah. Well, it's, it is a, you know, it's a thing of like, well,

not not to rope it into the diversity conversation, but it's like, what about people who do look like regular people? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, Linda trip was, I mean,

what, whether or not, whether or not she was unattractive is subjective ultimately, but it's also like so much, the show is so much about the beauty standard yeah that for them to put an actress in a fat suit and a prosthetic to make her less attractive is problematic yes yes when you're doing a show about the beauty standard right right if not problematic then like diluted and like we as an audience don't really sort of buy in yeah and i also think you

know ryan murphy really likes to work with who he works with and i also don't begrudge him that i think that he he obviously prefers to work with certain actors and i think that sarah paulson is one of the best one of the best out there so i don't begrudge that. I just think, you know, if we were to leave watching this series without discussing that, and it's interesting, we talk about it in the thing of House of Gucci, because at a certain point, it's a talking point, I think, for the opposite reason they want it to be. Because it doesn't allow us to opt in. It actually distracts us from. Yes, yes, yes. I love this this i think it's time to move on the real housewives of new york city are back for another bite of the big apple look who it is

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Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as

all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous. Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are opening up the friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out.

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Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, my little creeps. It's your favorite ghost host, Teresa. you get your podcasts. unsettling stories. Well, wonder no more, because we've got a ghoulishly good lineup ready for you. Let's just say things get a bit extra. We're talking spirits, demons, and the kind of

supernatural chaos that'll make your Halloween season complete. You know how much I love this time of year. It's the one time I'm actually on trend. So grab your pumpkin spice, dust off that Ouija board, just don't call me unless it's urgent, and tune in for new episodes every week. Remember, October 22nd, the veils are thin, the stories are spooky, and your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting starting on October 22nd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I wanted to ask you about a movie that we just both saw, which you told me that you watched.

And I enjoyed so much. Oh my God, I loved it. And I mentioned it last week on the pod. And I'm really so happy that you watched it and your parents enjoyed it so much, which was Passing. Passing. By Rebecca Hall. By Rebecca Hall. Loved it so much, which was Passing. Passing. By Rebecca Hall. By Rebecca Hall. Loved it so much. And we watched it. I watched it with

my parents because now I'm having to pick up movies where there are Chinese subtitles and Netflix, with at least their original stuff, will have Chinese subtitles on them. Oh, that's great. And so played it, had the subtitles on. My dad keeps being like, I don't need these.

I can understand what's going on. I actually had that question for you, though. I did. I wondered just how much of it they were able to follow. They followed all of it. They loved it. But the subtitles thing is funny. And it's this funny, like, first-generation thing, I guess, maybe,

where first-generation millennial Gen Gen Z thing, you're either overestimating or underestimating how much your parents can, like, your immigrant parents who don't speak English as their first language can, like, absorb narratively in something. I feel like Passing was a movie that ended up being so like, so wonderfully

lean and yet so effective in its storytelling and the narrative that like they got it and they understood everything that was going on yes this i mean i love this i love i i pretty much loved everything about it i mean i thought that tessa thompson was exquisite and i think that she she is not getting talked about enough at this time of year because i think there's a lot of bigger louder performances but she so what if people don't know the story is about tessa thompson is a woman who lives in harlem and this is 1920s in new york and she one day is passing in a white part of the city so that

she can run errands and what that means for people that don't know is that she is basically light-skinned enough where she can sort of disguise herself as a white woman so that she is not attacked, ridiculed, harassed, or worse in this white part of town where she needs to run errands for the day. And it's a very hot day, so she stops in a hotel and runs into a childhood friend of hers

played by immaculate Ruth Nega, who is fully passing as a white woman with blonde hair married to Alexander Skarsgård, who continues to push himself like, and he does, there's no monster he won't play. And there's something brave about it. It's very brave.

I am. Part of me is maybe worried that this is all he's getting offered. It's a little typecast threatening. He's obviously someone who we know. I mean, he's Eric Northman. Like, I think that he's one of the best actors as well. He's fantastic.

But yeah, he plays her husband. And basically, like, they have a conversation that leaves both of them wanting to reconnect. Yes. And it's dangerous because Alexander Skarsgård is a major racist. And so they start a friendship again and the movie takes off from there. And it's just,

it's just fabulous. I mean, she, Rebecca Hall wrote this, right? And she wrote and directed it based on her own experience of finding out that her grandfather passed. I mean,

there was such like a, I told you this, right? And I think I really think I don't think I'm off here. It was a Tennessee Williams quality about this. It felt very street car, like, and for like coming into the home of this marriage,

like it just, and she was playing like southern belle like blanche dubois like ruth um and it was just so so like wonderfully done yeah shot in black and white as a choice yeah i mean oh i loved it i loved it so much i mean we're just saying how much we love it right we're just gushing gushing. I mean, I obviously don't want to give much of the plot away, but it is really, actually, it's very interesting as a movie to look at right now,

I think, particularly in our times, because one of the subplots, which I thought was really interesting, is Tessa Thompson and her husband have a disagreement about how much to tell their children about violence towards black people. And I thought that it was a really, really fascinating conversation and argument that they have because Tessa Thompson is the more light skinned in the couple. And she thinks our kids don't need to know about it. And her husband,

who's more dark skinned and cannot pass, her husband cannot pass, doesn't have that privilege. He is like, no, they do need to know about it. And, you know, you see the way that Ruth Nega, who is, you know, extremely charismatic and does pass, is able to step back into black society and really becomes the belle of the ball. So it's so much internally going on

in Tessa Thompson's character to the point where it all ends up to this climax, which is, you know, really, really, really impactful. And I just think that everyone should watch it because it's so beautifully done. And Tessa Thompson, I think this put her in a different league for me. Absolutely. And I was telling you you that like she had a very difficult

thing to accomplish in this role where between Stella and Blanche like Blanche is the more interesting one like it's the same thing here it's like it's like similar to Zola in a way where it's like the looser I mean not the looser canon like the more mysterious

person the actor like that role is just a little bit shinier and more fun the looser, I mean, not the looser canon, like the more mysterious person, the actor, like that role is just a little bit shinier and more fun to an audience. And for her to sort of have to be this like grounding thing, person, I'm so stoned. But does this make sense? Like she like-

It makes 100% sense. She really had to like hold that groundedness. I just think we don't respect nuance enough i just think especially you know it's just so hard to do yeah and i think that even in gaga's performance in house of gucci like people are gonna think oh this is like you know an over-the-top like wildly emotional performance but there is nuance in it and i think that that's really what i look for is i look for those little things under the surface that that tell you all you need to know and passing has so much of that and i think it's also credit to the script and

rebecca hall you know i've always been like interested in her as an actress like i've always been you know aware of her i like her and vicky christina i like her and you know um she was in frost nixon i think is the first thing i saw her and she was in the town she's in lots of good stuff she has a real talent as a writer yeah oh my god so tight that script like for yeah i mean that triangle of tessa's character the husband and ruth's is such a perfect like triangulation. Sorry to say that again, but like for Tessa's character where she's like caught between these two poles. Yes. It's so great.

Yeah. I feel like, you know, the testament to great writing and also great direction and acting, obviously, is how much is articulated in what is not said. And so on the page, you know, what I love is that there's very long scenes between the actors. I really love it. I miss that. I miss, because it very easily could be a scene on stage.

And it was a novella. So it's an adapted work. But this is a really, it's like there's scene study you can do it because there's subtext and there's really rich things for the actress to play and they're just so good I just can't recommend it enough and I was really happy that you watched it and liked

it so much girl I loved it let's move on should we talk about speaking of colorism should we talk about Potomac well it's so so yeah I mean just to dive back into our, like our, because I feel like with Wendy, we were talking so much about her and her life

that we really didn't get into it about Potomac. But this was the long teased episode. This was the long teased episode. But I, I just want to say, this is not me patting us on the back. I was so surprised at her, at her surprise that the audience was registering the colorism that was happening on the show

like when we brought it up she seemed genuinely like shocked in a way like she was like oh I didn't know you guys were clocking that too I mean I don't know this for sure but I think that is probably a testament to just how abandoned dark skinned black people

and dark skinned black women often feel in this conversation because like this is not this did not just come up on this show no you know but these things don't change and i i think that you know to me it's very obvious and obviously last night was a more fun episode of the reunion where nikki minaj got into so many things but i still think we have this you know hanging narrative, which is the fact that there's an issue at play there. But this was kind of just more fun.

And I love that Nicki, she really was willing to break the fourth wall a little bit with them, which I always enjoy. I love that she knew that she, or Andy told her, you can actually take a side in all these things. And she was like, oh, 100%. And she made it known. And I think she was like, oh, 100 percent.

And like she made it known. And I think she said a lot of things that the audience has thought. Yeah. Time. Yeah. And I just I mean, I talked to a friend and I was like, oh, my God, did you watch? What did you think? And he was like, I really hated it.

He was like, I wish it would have been 20 minutes. But then I was like, oh, really? And he specifically referenced. And it made sense to me when he was like yeah like it was insane to watch like candace squirm when like they were making her sing like that is something that was a little uncomfortable very uncomfortable actually it was that was the only moment where i felt bad for one of them i was like see this is a little unfair because i mean let's be real nikki minaj is gonna sit up there on that stage and be like we know you you use autotune. Do you think that she sang a note

of the super bass chorus? Do you think that she, come on. Starships was actually acapella. The final track is acapella. She's doing all of that with her own voice. It was army of computers on all of Nicki Minaj's albums. Of course.

We respect her. But to bring that in, I think, of course, she wanted to, you know, stir it up a little bit. But the thing is, like, the thing with singing like that, it's like when you're put

on the spot like that and you haven't been warming up, like, you know, I did feel bad for her. And then, you know, her acapella was not great. Like, because she was nervous. She was nervous.

It's clear she can sing, though. It's clear she can sing. Of course. And the song is a hit. And I didn't appreciate the way that... It was a mess. Nikki was making... Nikki and Mia.

Fuck Mia. Mia's toast. Mia's done. No, piece of shit. She's done. Done. But the way they were making Candice feel like it was not a successful single.

It absolutely is. To chart on Billboard is a huge accomplishment. It's a huge deal. And the way that Nicki was making faces, and I think this might have been the editing, about the amount of albums

that Candice has sold, like, that's nothing to sneeze at. Like, no one buys albums anymore. No one buys albums. Like, you know, her single performed. It is the best housewife's single. Definitely.

A single from a housewife right like I would say I mean unless a lot of people are in a lot of people do love tardy for the party which is candy burris you know what I mean like she did write it sure but like it is a hook like expensive and like how many fucks like those are just like sonically very fun but

like musically just like so stupid yeah they're party songs and like forget about Luann stuff but like musically just like so stupid. Yeah. They're party songs. And like, forget about Luann stuff, but like, this is a, I thought it's, I think it's a great album.

I'm happy that she released a new, like she lined up the release for her new music video with this finale. Yeah. This reunion. We, we love Candace. We love Candace. And I actually,

okay. So we actually got some blowback because they were like, you know that Nikki, you know that Candace has said homophobic things. Oh, sure. And I was like, you know, at a certain point, like some people have more growing to do than others. And it's also like, I don't watch this show. And every single time someone appears on my screen,

I stop and say, hmm, hold on. Before I like them, let me go search through their Twitter. I'm sorry, but that's not my bag. There was a moment where it was brought up that LGBTQ people face persecution

in this country in a very general sense. And all of the housewives agreed, nodded in acknowledgement. Mm-hmm. You get a single on Candace saying,

Mm-hmm. whatever, it's sad. Like like i feel like she is maybe growing i feel like we're i hope we are all in this place now in this conversation just about cancellation in general where it's like i whatever we why did i why do i why do we talk about this i'm sorry let's cut this part out. I don't think we need to. I mean, like, the thing is just like, look. Okay.

We're watching the show and we're watching the characters as they are on the show. And our opinion is this podcast stands the character of Candace on the show. Okay? Sorry. But I'm not looking through her fucking tax returns and her Twitter. And I don't actually know her as a person i'm sorry i don't follow it that closely i watch the television show so if you're gonna unsubscribe from this podcast because we like candace that says more about you darling dear

it's fine it's fine um where is your income roach is one of the classic tweets and i couldn't believe she said it to a woman as she was giving birth. But also, you know what? That's actually good television and I like it. Where is your income, Roach? Where is your income, Roach? And then what did she say to Mia? You should be as grateful.

She said you should be grateful. You should have been more grateful. And also, of course, iconic, she was trespassing. She was trespassing. I mean, like candace gives and gives and gives gives you the moments i did like that andy went up to her at the end and was like i have to give you props because that was really cool and everyone is supporting you and you

sounded great and you did that like you know y'all i thought it was a great episode me too was nikki was really i thought it the whole time about what Wendy was saying. It was like she was watching this woman push all of these other women off a cliff. And then she was like, oh shit, it's going to be my turn soon. I have a feeling they edited a lot out. I have a feeling that she went harder and they took it out

because they were like, I mean, we can't. She was so easy on Giselle in the final edit that I'm like, she must have gone harder. It really came off that she was team Giselle, and I was like, how can you watch this show and be Team Giselle? A lot of people are.

A lot of people are Team Giselle. Readers even are Team Giselle, and we respect that. We disagree. We think Giselle is a horrible person. I do, at least. At least as depicted, okay? And again, that's what we're talking about. I don't know Giselle's report card from third grade.

I don't know. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City.

We don't wear pastels, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules. And now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I felt too seen um dragged uh i'm nk and this is basket case so i basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown i was crying

and i was inconsolable it was just very big sudden swaps of different meds. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you

and it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey friends, I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw. And this is Camilla Luddington. And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is.

You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous. Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because, I don't know, let's face it, life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are, opening up the friendship circle. To you.

Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours.

And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, my little creeps. It's your favorite ghost host, Teresa. And guess what? Haunting is back, dropping October 22nd, just in time

for spooky season. Now I know you've probably been wandering the mortal plane, wondering when I'd be back to fill your ears with deliciously unsettling stories. Well, wonder no more, because we've got a ghoulishly good lineup ready for you. Let's just say things get a bit extra. We're talking spirits, demons, and the kind of supernatural chaos that'll make your Halloween season complete.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I feel that we would be remiss to not mention that this is going to be a culture podcast. We truly have lost one of the great artists of all time who is like the Shakespeare of musical theater. It's been said, and I would agree, which is Stephen Sondheim. I mean, we just have to like truly give respect because that was a hard one.

Even though he was 91, I believe that is a hard one to not have on planet earth. This is so, this is, this is, I'm just saying this because it felt like a beautiful coincidence in my life. The news broke and I, it came up on my phone that he had passed away.

Like the moment it was like reported, I think not that it matters, but like I was sitting in the theater for house of Gucci by myself and the trailers came up and it was West side story. Yep. And like that, like I was like, I was watching, I was west side story yep and like that like i was like i was watching i was listening and watching like his work as like he whatever um yeah no it's funny

i learned as i learned that he was you you bring that up and also i mean by the way speaking of the trailers like they showed that west side story trailer and it was just so gorgeous and looks so beautiful i can't wait and rachel ziegler are you coming on you're invited i saw her at the the opening night of six what'd she say she was like first of all stunning no not even that yes stunning the perfect vibe the perfect vibe obsessed we're obsessed. Oh my God. I was like, you are a good person.

You are a fun energy. So talented, obviously. Just a perfect, ooh, Snow White, yes. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Come on. A human Snow White, not even in like the princessy way, but just like someone that you're like, what an icon. What I'm saying is, if you want to be treated like the princess, way, but just like someone that you're like, what an icon. What I'm saying is, if you want to be treated like the princess, come on,

Lost Culture. Come on, Lost Culture. Rachel. I want to talk to you. Well, she said, I want to come on.

See, here's the thing though. Rachel, I'm talking to you. Rachel. I don't want to deal with your publicist. I like, because they're going to say,

oh, I don't know. She's got a lot of press. She and Steven are doing this, this, this. No, no, no, no, no. No, we're going to talk to you only. oh I don't know she's got a lot of press she and Steven are doing this this this no no no no she and Ansel

wait no we're gonna talk to you only we won't even deal with the people we won't even deal with your agent nothing

we'll just get in the DMs and we'll do this old fashioned old fashioned cause I don't wanna hear that you know whatever PR is like well

she's gotta do Colbert it's like no you do Lost Cult no you do Lost Cult honey No, you do lost coach. Honey. Oh, by the way, there's a great,

um, it's the CNN docu-series, but there's a great one that's out on late night TV that I recommend to everybody who likes comedy. I watched it, learned a lot, loved it. I mean,

I, I am watching anything these days, so I will check that out, but it's on HBO. It's on HBO max is what I meant to say. Like CNN is putting all their documentaries on HBO Max and they're generally fun to watch good to know they got all the good docs

but basically anyway like Stephen Sondheim passing and now West Side coming out I'm just I think this is going to be even bigger than it was going to be I mean I already feel like West Side is going to come out and pretty much clear the deck like when that trailer came out I was like amazing I mean just

just incredible and I did hear from some people that saw it because now it's starting to screen that it is fantastic and everything and I just think you know what a I don't really necessarily believe in like you know the fate or whatever but for this to be coming out

like at the end of his life and it's unbelievable that he's 60 years 60th anniversary of the show yeah it's just and that rita moreno is in it yeah you know what i mean like this is and i i mean talk about someone who there's a there's a piece in the guardian that came out about her bowen you have to read it she has just lived the most extraordinary life she talks about how you know speaking of streetcar before, she was in like an eight-year relationship throughout the 50s with Marlon Brando. That was like insane.

She was treated so badly. Like truly the first agent she ever had, he raped her and she had to stay with him. Like horrible, horrible, horrible treatment. After she won the Oscar for for west side story she wasn't offered anything but like like maids and like girlfriends and like bad gangster movies like very like racially stereotypical parts for years didn't work for seven years in film after that like worked her way in television and theater and one woman shows all the way to her getting an egot and now only in her 80s, after her late husband passed away,

was she able to like really get to know herself? Like it's just an amazing, and there's a documentary about her coming out, but she's in the new West Side. Apparently there's a role they pretty much created for her. And apparently she's amazing, but there's just so much to celebrate in West Side coming out.

And, you know, Stephen Sondheim was, and you know, if you listen to this podcast enough you know that we stand but I mean true legend and like genius talent and like not in a way where you say like oh you know Selena

Gomez's album is genius no this is like a real this is a real genius like it's just not that Selena Gomez can't put out a sondheim level album not that she doesn't have genius in her future i'm just saying if we in a world where i use her as an example i throw around the word genius icon etc legend you know we throw around these words this was a true yeah i mean i i almost he's the kind of person that like it's immediately humbling to me

for me to say I have nothing to add to like what what is being said about like this man's life like I'm truly like what it's all it's all been like considered and like appreciated at the right moment like and also what I love this is my

this is such bullshit, like whatever, like Instagram, like inspiring quote, but like he really didn't like fully like come into his like, whatever, like peak as a lot of people might put it, like in his forties and fifties. Right. Like, that's what I think is also, I don't know,

a cool thing to think about maybe like. Yeah. It's just like, like, I think, I think Sunday came, Sunday in the park came out, like I think when he was like late 40s early 50s that all makes a lot of sense to me i mean i can't imagine being capable artistically and creatively of the things he was at a young age but then it's like you know and by the way did you have you watched the movie tick tick boom i haven't yet. And I'm kind of waiting for like, I'm saving it for the right moment, which I know is so annoying to hear.

It is another fabulous movie that's out right now. I watched it. It's also on Netflix. Andrew Garfield is so incredible in it. Yeah. I mean, he's so amazing in it. And the movie is, of course, about Jonathan Larson. You know, it's about him basically struggling to

become successful and you know etc and he reveres and idolizes Stephen Sondheim and the movie like treats Stephen Sondheim as this like huge character and basically it ends

with him getting a note from Stephen Sondheim that encourages him. And so this obviously and Jonathan Larson would end up writing Rent, obviously. And that went on, I think, believe the story is he died on the night of or the night before the first preview of Rent off Broadway or whatever um and it would obviously go on to revolutionize modern musical theater but the fact that this movie reveres him so and that these people in musical theater revere him so and that this movie is coming out now it just does like feel like this very odd eerie perfect storm of you have to be you know grateful for both the life that he lived in the art that he gave, but also that he gets to really be truly celebrated, like by his legacy and his work at this time. If you're,

if there's anything to be thankful about or grateful about when someone passes, at least that, at least it's like that recognition, because I don't think like as an artist and as a creator and as someone who has influenced so many there's anything better than that to know that as you leave there's this love for you you know so just very special very special i think we can talk about either survivor or selling sunset i want i want i want to talk about both and that's actually

that's actually something i put my foot down about. To move out of Steven's song. Oh, please. That's Lost Culture flavor. Because, wait, I just want to tell you. Did you see that the Grammy nominations came out and there was the scandal? I haven't been following the Grammys.

Okay, so the Grammy nominations came out. And, of course, the first episode of this podcast is called The Grammys so we always have to like pay respects to our origins here so the Grammy nominations came out and like there was 10 nominees in all the general categories and it's like mostly Olivia Rodrigo and she'll like sweep

and John Baptiste and yeah yeah so basically it came out that there was originally only going to be 8 nominees for album of the year and then they decided to add two more at the last second and it was donda by kanye west and evermore by taylor swift that's what okay yes yes i have vaguely picked this up yeah um i mean whatever like who fucking cares it's so stupid i hate it it's like the grammys continue to be a complete

mess like there's such a joke it's so annoying and then for that to leak it's so disrespectful to them it makes them look so bad as an awards body it's just such flops and you know i guess like ultimately all for nothing because you know olivia and driver's license are just going to walk out with all the awards, I would imagine. Maybe Lil Nas X wins the album, but I mean. I mean, oh, but we do, let's give a shout out to Japanese Breakfast for being a Grammy nominee. Fucking great year for her.

Came in with a book. Came in with a new album. It's so good. Congrats, Michelle zahner um i'm talking about her as if she's like a friend of the pod she's not i just i did one book event with her over zoom in the winter and i don't know i feel like we're friends we're not we're not well it's great to derive some positive out of the grimy nominations oh. I looked at them and I was like, are we kidding here?

And then when that controversy came out, I was like, Oh God, they really can't fucking help themselves. Like, just don't have it leak. I'm just, how does that happen?

I know. I know. I know. Wait, speaking of music, what's your favorite track on 30? We didn't even talk about 30. Oh my God.

I'm sorry. We didn't talk about 30 last week because we had Wendy on and we couldn't distract from the conversation no favorite track off 30 cry your heart out and love is a game

I texted you when yeah when I first heard love is a game at the during the concert special and I was like this is a gorgeous song

new classic new classic we will be singing this for years to be loved is my shit I mean to be loved is the vocals on to be loved at the end it's just like and then i saw an interview with her she's like i'll never sing it live i'll never do it i can't who could and then she of course was on her instagram doing it like ripping it apart

yeah just killed it i mean she'll do it she's never sounded better like the vocals are warm lubricated yeah yeah but deep it's still deep oh we love it i mean she's like giving you like clean melisma like she's she's just like she is like an instrument she never doesn't hit the note like she's really just and you feel it oh you feel it you know what i really kind of like am responding to in my like what I tried to like really internalize from her Oprah interview was when she was like when Oprah asks her about like where the voice comes from or whatever and she's just like

I feel like I like connect with something bigger and like a lot of artists say this but like she's like whenever I sing like I'm not like I'm not like really in my body or something she was like I'm kind of like I'm not aware of what I'm doing 100% and like she's

connecting with some like I don't know like. She's channeling. She's channeling. Yes that's what she said and so like I'm trying to like do that more. Does that sound so stupid? No. I'm trying to do that when I'm like writing. When I'm like trying to come up with like an idea

I'm like let me just think less let me just like think up like I don't not not that that's the direction but like but like crown chakra like let me just like connect with like the bigger thing yeah and I don't know I'm like cheesily like getting into that no I mean 100% and like it's whatever people could drag me for this if they want but it didn't show absolutely inspire me oh my god why would people drag you even today like henry and i were running through the songs and i think i had a more difficult time with the first like three or four just because i was getting back into it also it's christmas is you're you're gonna belt your fucking and that's the first song so that's that's that. And then it goes right into the second song, which is vocally difficult.

And then ballads start. But there's a song that I do sixth in my show, which is my favorite thing I've ever written. And it's my favorite thing I've ever done. It's called Every Christmas Eve. It's my Mrs. Claus song. And it's actually one of the more vocally tough ones. But I said to Henry after we did it, because I felt really good about the way I went today.

And he, I could tell he did too. And I was like, you know what's easy about that one is because you really just try to tell the story and feel it. And like, honestly, do little lyrical analysis in it. Like even though it's my own writing, just like to try to like think less about like whether or not your voice feels good

or whether or not you're being funny or whether or not whatever. And it's just actually a lot more simple. It's about just like, like just getting the work across, you know what I mean? And just, just cause it is actually all about telling stories.

Like when you're a comedian, when you're a performer or whatever, like just focusing on the articulation of it and less about the bullshit that is like you know whether the notes are right or whether like or whether or whether i'm on my mark or whatever this thing i'm like yes that's annoying but like it's it's like frou-frou or whatever but it actually does help you free up and discover things as a performer. I love that you're incorporating this in your own work as you lead up to your shows.

I also just want to say, this reminded me of the way that Taylor Swift has talked about songwriting. Do you know this? Where she's like, the best way I can describe songwriting is there was like a magical cloud in front of you and you're supposed to catch it before it goes away

like like you're supposed to like capture this like thing you're supposed to capture this like magical thing that you can't touch you can't grab it you gotta like get it down on like paper or something yeah like before before it leaves you and i'm like that is kind of maybe the same for for thing where it's like you're supposed to like commune with this thing that comes to you that like passes by and you have to have to like get it down before it leaves you i don't know i don't know about you but almost i'm feeling 22 almost and you know that she wrote that in a state of channeling oh my god she was first of all it's rule of culture number 39 when taylor wrote 22 she was channeling um but it's so rare that when i labor over something or work on something really hard that it ends up being really good

meanwhile it's like when i shit something out or like something just comes. Oh my God. It is so much. Well, I don't know. It's just like when I think about the things I'm really proud of or the things that I'm like still performing now, it's usually stuff that came very easily to me. Yeah, I know.

I know. Oh, I love that. And that's such a good feeling. Yeah. It's such a good feeling when it just kind of flows out. And for some people, like it just happens.

I feel like you are one of those people where it just really does, it flows out of you. When it happens, it happens. And when it doesn't, it doesn't. But I'm saying, it's not about when it happens

or when it doesn't. I'm saying it happens often for you. And that is what's beautiful for me. Like it's, I don't know. There's the spigot is fucked

because I'm like, it's a slow drip. You have to create all the time though. I think that's the difference. This is what I've never gotten about SNL and I'll just be totally transparent about this. You guys basically

have to create the thing on Tuesday. It's so bad. It's so hard. It's one day. I know. It's so weird. I get that it's like a scheduling thing and i get that that's just the way it works but i just always thought about like what if somebody has a brilliant fucking idea and of course like things happen in the news and it gets channeled right to

the cold open and stuff and that's not not a part of the show but so like creativity is so not necessarily like that. And you'd have to be such a specific type of person to be able to just be like, okay, sitting down to do this during my allotted time. And this is what I'm going to get it right. You know,

which I know is not as basic as it is, but no, no, no. I know. Um, the, the thing that happens most often,

and I think maybe the saddest thing that happens is you have a great idea, but then it, and this is what you're saying basically but like you burn it that week because you just didn't execute you didn't get the right time to like execute it the right way right and so then like you do it in front of all your co-workers on wednesday and then fucking bombs and then you're gone it has stink on it and then like more likely than not you're never gonna like use that idea again when it might

have been a perfectly great idea because I oh my gosh this is my example Zutty and I wrote a sketch last season where it was all about was me and

John Mulaney playing a couple and our thing was that we kept swallowing in the middle of sentences like but it just it just and it just,

and then like, which like, I like, I'm really hung up about this because like, it could have been, it could have been something great. And we just didn't get it the first time. And now like, I can never do it again.

I kind of feel like I can't bring it up again. It would be iconic if you did that every table read, like just every table read, tried to make the swallowing in the middle of sentences thing happen. Like would actually be the funniest shit ever oh my because it's the dumbest idea

it's like half an idea but it's didn't it happen with Vanessa though like isn't that a thing like I think oh it happened everyone has one of these stories like everyone has one of these

everyone has their like white whale or you know or like sketch comedy white whale that you keep trying to get in or not that you keep trying to get in that you can't

you can't like you can't you know capture I don't, you can't like, you can't, you know, capture, I don't know, you can't like find it. Yeah. And so that's mine for now.

My other one is, I want to see that. Hooli and I have written several sequels at this point to Sarah Lee, and none of them have gotten picked. I can't believe that that's true. It's crazy to me. Do you want to, do you want to know something?

Yes. I won't believe that that's true. It's crazy to me. Do you want to know something? Yes. I won't reveal to who, but I had to run it by one of the producers when Chalamet was hosting. I was like, I was like, Julio and I wrote a follow-up to Sarah Lee for Timothy. It's called Chef Boyardee.

It's really, we think it's really funny. And then this producer says, you know, I think we've done it too many times. And I was like, we've only done it once. Yeah.

And I think what he meant was I brought it to table too many times. Right, right, right. Which is another shitty thing. I'm like, Oh, well now I ruined this.

Like what, one of my proudest like pieces of writing, Sarah Lee, like I hate that. Like it's, it's, there's no like afterlife. There's no like second life for it

you know what though sometimes whatever I'm not dragging anything about like sometimes I'm really happy to see things come back and I would be thrilled to see that come back maybe one or two more times oh there have been some sketches where it's like all right I'm just gonna say it okay

Gilly I think it was done 12 times but that's why it's so I Gilly, I think it was done 12 times. But that's why it's so funny. I don't know. I think it lasted for me after the fourth or fifth. Of course, by the third one, everyone's like, truly no one's laughing at it in 8H. But I think there is a meta humor layer here that I think Kristen would cop to.

Yeah, maybe. Gilly's in again. Gilly's in again. That's cop to where it's like, Oh yeah. She was like, he's in again, like Gilly's in again. Like that's part of why it's funny is because it's like the one joke. Yeah. Never heightened. It's like that was what up with that too. What up with that at one time was,

was SNL. It was a Saturday night live. Like what up with that? And you know what? I never got tired of, I mean, we'll just deep house dish, deep house dish.

Nope. Cause at least the songs were different or whatever but i never they need to bring deep passage back because let's not pretend that keenan isn't still there like we need can you pitch deep house dish well james anderson doesn't work there anymore mama his baby pass the torch pass the torch i know no i'm gonna text him i'm gonna text him i'm gonna going to text him. I'm going to be like, can you please give the blessing to do Deep House Dish again?

Because the new kids need Deep House Dish. It would hit now more than ever. It really would. You should text James. In fact, everybody,

the readers. One day when I host. When Matt hosts, we'll do it. But I think the readers should try to, try to communicate. I'm not saying bombard James

with DMs. Actually, no, I take it back. But I think James needs to be like, quote unquote, pulled out of retirement for one last deep house dish. Wouldn't you all agree? I do. I mean, I...

Wouldn't you agree with what I said? I do. No, I'm just so still on things. I do. That was iconic. That's actually, wow. See, this is what I'm saying. The flow state, baby. Well, you know what I'm saying. The flow state, baby.

Well, you know what I'm jealous of? I'm actually really jealous because, you know, obviously it's, well, today we're recording on Cyber Monday. Yeah. And Ira posted like his Keep It merch. And I was like, why don't we do Lost Culture merch?

Like I want Lost Culture merch. Like there's so much good merch we could do. We had a merch period. There's still some items that you can buy off of TeePublic. We are looking for a new platform. Let's just say we're looking for a new vendor. Readers, formerly publicists, would you buy Lost Cult merch?

I mean, we know the answer is yes. I would love. Everyone's very enthusiastic. I was thinking the other day, I was like, God, I'm so lucky. Grateful. Thankful on Thanksgiving. Thankful on Thanksgiving for the readers. I'm absolutely emotional most of the time when I think about the podcast. Oh my God, the readers are the most special people.

The readers have given me everything. You think I'd be selling out these shows without the readers? There's no way. I know they're all readers. I'm talking about them like, I'm trying to be careful about not making them sound like fucking pop star stans. No! They know who they are. First of all, we just

fired them. So we have to be nice to them. We have to be nice to them. They've all lost their publicist jobs. They lost their jobs. Now... Before we start crying because of the readers, we have to talk about Selling Sunset. And Survivor. This is a long episode and that's fine

selling sunset i have not finished this me neither me neither me neither i will say what are your basic general reactions because i have a few you know okay this is i in a state of half sleep had this realization it's not a realization but but I think everyone knows at this point that it's the most mindless show that's ever been made. I really do think there's something pretty amazing about Adam DiVallo between The Hills

and Selling Sunset. It feels like they're speaking a different language. Does that make sense? Yes. They're using a different vocabulary. I think when you're on the show, the producers hand you

a sheet of paper and on that paper, it says 100 words total. And the producers say, you can only, whatever comes out of your mouth has to be from this list of 100 words.

You cannot say anything besides these words. That actually is 100% real. And that is my realization. And I love that one of those words is escrow. You know what I mean? Escrow, conceited. Like when Emma said that,

like when Emma just celebrated in her chair and by lifting up her waif thin arms, and she goes, well, I'm an escrow. And they were all like, escrow! And they were well I'm an escrow and they were like escrow and they were just screaming the word escrow and I was like wow I'm obsessed with each and every one of these young women these young women

I think Vanessa and Emma are great additions great additions Emma I can't tell if I'm on her side or not she's the smallest face in the world she has the smallest face, the tiniest chin. I was just going to say, she has a tiny little head. She's like, in the best

way, she's like that alien in Men in Black with the tiny head, but a gorgeous version. But a gorgeous version who runs a vegan food company, which we stan. She weighs 76 pounds. I do love that she runs a vegan company, and yet she still takes private jets. It's like, okay, well, they cancel out beautifully. I do love that she runs a vegan company and yet she still takes private jets.

It's like, okay, well, they cancel out beautifully. I love that. She should marry Leonardo DiCaprio. They're made for each other. They are. Love her. Vanessa is iconic. Loved her sob story in the beginning

that her sister passed. Oh my God. And then she became a real estate agent because of her. And now she's sort of like little Christine. She's a villain. At least, at least in the part that we're on. Okay.

Should we play this game now that, now that we'd have it because you and I checked in earlier in the week when selling sunset season four was about to drop. And you were like, are you a, you were like, you said I was a Chris shell, which I took offense to.

I know. I didn't say you were Chris. I said, I was Chris shell. I said that you were Mary. I'm well, I also, I'm sorry. I took offense to. No, I didn't say you were Chrishell. I said I was Chrishell. I said that you were Mary. I'm sorry. I took offense to you calling me Mary. And here's what I'll say.

The more I watched it, I was like, he is not Mary. Because let me tell you who's lost it. Mary. Mary. If you watch season one to season four, it is a case study in reality television breaking someone.

Yeah. Mary is going crazy being on this show. And the first season, she was kind of the most likable person. She was the most grounded. Not likable. Yeah, that's not what I meant. I'm sorry.

I meant, yeah, just someone that, like the audience surrogate. Like, oh, this is the person who is most like me sitting at home. Her breakdown at the dog party was truly iconic. I mean, the dog's birthday party. And she goes, you know, Jason, we spent a lot of money on this.

This is our friends and our dogs and it's our dog's birthday. And she came in and she's going to start drama at the dog's birthday. And I was just like, this is absolutely unhinged. All because Christine came to the dog's birthday party. Every time Christine enters a room, I laugh and applaud.

Okay, I'm on episode six, and at least five different times this has happened. Christine and Maya are together. Maya goes, wow, Christine, I can't believe you just had a baby. I can't believe you just had a baby the other week. I can't have the baby like that. Four different times.

Like, go back and, like, watch it. Like, so many repetitive... I'm telling you, they were given a list of words. Yeah. And they could only say things from this list. The least thing. Sude Green is doing great impressions of Maya on her Instagram. Maya is iconic.

Chrissy Chappell tweeted out the other day where she was like, Maya is the best character because she's us. She gets to sit there and just comment on all the drama and have nothing go on in her life and just basically say, wow. And it is so funny. Also, this is going to sound crazy, but let me know if you agree.

Okay. When Davina came back, I actually was obsessed. I miss Davina! I mean, she's clearly, like, an integral part of the show. I just think she's so funny. She's just so funny in, like, the most unintentional ways.

Like, she's just... What a fucking... What a buffoon. I'm obsessed. I love her. I love, like, what she brings to the show. I just think, like, you can't take her seriously. You can't take most of these people seriously,

including Brett and Jason. Oh, please. I did not know that Jason and Chrishell were full-on dating now. What? You didn't know this? Okay, so this rocked my world. So season five is basically going to be about

how Chrishell and Jason Oppenheim are now like in a serious romantic relationship i'm gonna vomit and that'll be like the second or third one he's dated in the office because obviously he was with mary they own that dog together that had the birthday party every time i say these words i'm like i can't fucking believe it. I just watched the episode where Chrishell and Simu Liu are like about to fuck. Which he did look really hot. Oh yeah, of course. He's a very attractive person. I just am like, so I don't know what's going on.

Cutting to Jason. Now watch. As you watch, they keep cutting to Jason who like notices them. You're right. They do keep cutting to Jason. That's so funny. So they're building it into the narrative because eventually

they get together. Chriselle Stouse, every time she walks, she opens double doors and walks out to a balcony and smiles at the sun. I'm like, you are the protagonist,

aren't you? Snow White, Rachel Ziegler, move over. I actually, I couldn't stand Chriselle before this season. I'm like,

okay, cool. Like I'm kind of with you. I like that she's standing up for herself when they were like, okay, guys, group meeting. Should we hire back Davina? She was like, no, I don't think so. She was really rude to me, and I don't fucking like it. And when she said, like, I don't fuck,

I fucking think so, I fucking don't agree. I was like, come on, Chrishell. I actually love that. And actually, what a perfect play on her part to be like, okay, I've been a little too guileless on this show let me actually like grow a spine and like when Davina apologizes to her oh I didn't see that yet I'm so excited

oh Christine said she didn't want the apology right it's a great moment for Chrishell like she handles it perfectly I'm really proud of her I'm really excited anyway it's the dumbest show ever made but we love it we will Christine is television's best villain of course I'm really excited. Anyway, it's the dumbest show ever made, but we love it. We will watch. Christine is television's best villain.

Of course, but she was on the cover of some magazine. I forget which, but they called her reality TV's queen of camp. Let's cut it out. Let's stop throwing that word around again. It feels like it's 2019 Met Gala all over again. She's not camp. She's not camp.

Let's like, I don't know. Does poor Susan Sont have to come back from the dead to explain to you guys what this is? Poor Susan Sont might have to come back from the dead and genuinely school the girls because Christine is not camp.

Christine is in, it's like, I don't know, it's not, because it's not bad. Like, Christine is, it's not poor taste. Like, it's not like poor taste like she's obviously like she has like good taste in things she looks like a cartoon like a fantasy of femininity i'm thinking really hard is the chair purse is the little chair purse camp no um no because like okay my cliff's noteses distillation of the definition I'm getting this wrong

people will take issue with this I'm sure but it's like it's I'm celebrating bad taste it's like celebrating bad taste as if it was something in good taste essentially yeah like the chairperson is like kitsch it's kitsch it's not camp it's like oh isn't this ironic

like camp is not supposed to know its own irony that's why like mommy dearest is camp because like everyone on that movie thought they were making the best biopic of all time right which is also why house of gucci is not camp exactly and so that's what it is like it's like it's something that's in bad taste either being perceived as something in good like it's something like that takes itself seriously basically that's another like bastardization of the definition yeah that's definitely morphed over time and I think a lot of people have different definitions

but if you're using that definition then you cannot call Christine Quinn camp because I feel that she actually is in 100% control of what she's doing and when she comes in and sits down with Emma and she goes I just really wanted to talk and he proposed to me he did he proposed to me actually

and like she's fucking with these girls it's so fun when Mary has a meltdown and Christine's like why is she upset like she knows exactly why she's upset when she comes in with her you know 29 inch hair like she is in complete control and I actually believe

that she's a cool person oh actually believe that she's a cool person oh i'm sure she's like oh i think she is like the most aspirational person on the show despite being like so out of touch in her wealth or whatever it's like yeah you want to you want to be like her in a way right like you don't want to be like chrishell or mary or anybody else yeah i don't want to certainly want to be spinning my wheels that hard. Also, some of the other girls are falling off from me. Like I know Heather gets up, gets beefier in the narrative as it goes,

but I'm losing Heather a little bit. Heather has a big moment at the end of the season. Like the finale is like her and Tarek. Okay, need that. But and so does she. But like I love Heather, by the way. Oh, I identify with Heather.

Playmate legend. Love. I didn't know playmate legend. She was a playmate. What were you going to say? I was just going to say, Christine Quinn is just completely in control of what she's doing,

and I believe that she's cool, and I believe that if these other girls actually don't like her, they're not playing the game as well as her right and here's what i'll say i'm really excited for selling tampa oh right yeah that'll be fun oh my god the cast the cast looks very cool i mean it's gonna be very cool and also like people are like lol tampa but like no you have to remember like have to remember, that is also a competitive real estate market. You might turn your nose up because you think of certain things,

but this actually is going to be very cool. Basically, for everyone that doesn't know, there's a Selling Sunset spinoff called Selling Tampa, which is all black women in Tampa, they're at the same real estate firm. And I actually watched a... Is it Oppenheim? It's not.

Okay. But it's like speaking to... They do the same thing. Right, right. But it's a totally different vibe and I'm really excited for it. I think it comes out in December,

mid-December. Can't wait. Very excited for that. Wait, before we go to... I don't think so, honey. We have to talk about Survivor. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't think so, honey, we have to talk about Survivor. Oh my god. I mean, I told you

this was crazy. This episode was amazing. Top to bottom, like, so well edited, I want to say? Like, just, I mean, the threads all sort of are so tied together in the end in the best way. Tied up, tied together, whatever.

And like, I told you over text today, like I think it was like two episodes. I caught up on the plane home from Thanksgiving. Like the last three episodes, I'm like, wow, this is when I realized this was a great season. And I don't know my survivor seasons too well,

but I feel like this is one of my more favored ones. This is an amazing season. And I think that this episode that just happened last week, and there's obviously a new one tonight, it was the episode where, spoiler alert. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, fast forward. Shan gets eliminated. Yeah.

And she basically was like the main character, I believe, along with Ricard. She was. In the season. And really it came down to Ricard deciding to get Shan out, even though they have been each other's number ones. Like, there's this narrative in the beginning of the episode that actually it can't really be the two of them at the top two because they're both too good. So there is this interesting chess game being played between them that, unfortunately, Shan stops playing and Ricard never stops playing.

And the moment the whole season changed was Ricard saying, I think today is the day that I send, like that we send Shan home. Yeah. Like he decided, like he had to decide that. And I want to give credit to Erica

for figuring out the plan. Erica is a sleeper she's a sleeper but it was but Erica is the mastermind behind it's it's Ricardo it's Ricard's idea but Erica is the one who's like here's how we're going to do it three three Shan votes three Liana votes then it goes to a tiebreaker

and if Shan plays her idol then it's Liana who goes home if she doesn't then Shan goes home like that is like that was all Erica she's a great player I think that we as her idol, then it's Liana who goes home. If she doesn't, then Shan goes home. That was all Erica. She's a great player. We have not given her enough credit. I think she might be going home soon because I think

she has a huge target on her back. People are on to her. I think they're not going to be on to Ricard now. This is the thing. There's a vacuum of power in a way. The tribe is sort of as splintered as it's ever been now without Shan, without the person who is arranging the things. Now you have the Dany and Deshaun alliance being the only real two-hander that's left.

Right. And I think that something that is going to hurt them is the fact that Liana is now off board. You know what I mean? Like, so I think she, she could, she, she either could make something happen or she'll be next.

I don't know. I wonder how much further Heather could go just because narratively she hasn't been on the show that much. I'm wondering what that means for her. Um, I wonder if she'll figure into that narrative starting now. I just know that's not really how these television seasons are built. I feel it's Ricard's to lose

or Xander's to lose and I find myself rooting for Deshawn because of the way that you and I disagree. Well, the way the narrative is pulling out, like I will say, I actually shed tears many different times throughout this episode. I was crying at

the end i was crying when deshawn got emotional during his confessional about it being such a hard year for black people and that they wanted to do a quote-unquote for the culture and the four of them would stick together to the end i was crying at the sacrifices were made when they realized that was probably not possible i was crying when liana said that her friendship with shan meant more to her than the game because they connected over their own hood and their blackness on the hill i was like this is classic survivor because it's amazing gameplay but you care about the characters and it's emotional storytelling but it's also really good gameplay and i think ultimately what's happening is these it's at the point

in the season where the contestants are getting played by their own emotions and a lot the ones that are forgetting to keep playing and the ones that are making emotional concessions are losing and that is shan made an emotional concession I think that if she were smart she could have gotten out of that I mean anytime you go home with an idol in your pocket you're not thinking she said in her like her last confessional after she got voted out she was like I had an

idol yep like she was you could tell she was so crushed by that oh my god because it's so hard to get one and then you leave with an idol but the thing too is just like the way it's going. And this is where I get a little woo again, but this is season 41. And I do feel like that.

I think it's a reset, but so season 40 was winners at war. If you call all the way back to season one, we had a queer man named Richard where it went the first season. And now we are going to have a queer man named Ric when the first season. Oh my God. And now, we are going to have a queer man named Ricard win because

Ricard is the queerification. Ricard is the queerification of the name Richard. And Richard has an extra letter

H and H in lowercase is upside down four. And four, if you take away four from 41

is one. Taylor Swift. The numerology of it all is you're being very Taylor. Taylor. Very Taylor. I'm sorry, Taylor Swift energy.

This is very Taylor Swift and that, I just feel like the energy. is executive producer this season. She will reveal herself. She will reveal to us that her alias

in television is Mark Burnett. That witch. That witch. Oh my God. That's the type of thing that makes Burnett. That witch. That witch. Oh my God. That's the type of thing that makes me say, that witch.

That witch. Oh my God. She's such a witch. I had not thought about that since you said that. Taylor is Mark Burnett. Oh my God. Taylor's to blame for Trump.

Taylor has the piss tapes. She has the piss tapes. I will say, I think- Oh no, she has the N-word tape. That's what it is. She has all the tapes.

Please, Taylor has all the tapes. Okay? And if she doesn't have it, her dad has it. Okay? I know her dad. I know Mr. Swift has the tapes. It's actually

Real Culture No. 99. I know Mr. Swift has the tapes. I know Mr. Swift has the tapes. Um, okay. Go Ricard. He's also very good to watch.

Attractive. I want to sort of... I want to touch his body and see what it feels like. Oh, I bet really good. He was able to stand on that narrow beam and hold that ball up in that saucer. Challenge beast. For a long time. Challenge threat.

Beautiful eyes. That's another thing I'll miss about Shan is I loved watching her. You know what I mean? A lot of truly hot people this season. Shan, Rihanna. Telegenic. Telegenic. Danny, truly hot people this season. Shan, Rihanna. Telegenic.

Telegenic. Danny, Ricard, Xander, hotties. Hottie season. Absolutely. I mean, everyone's very telegenic in a way where I'm like, pop off. Also, I have to tell you, and I have to tell all the readers. I know, like, whatever. Australian Survivor Season 4. People had been in my DMs being like, you have to, you have to, you have to.

Really? You have to watch Australian Survivor Season 4. People had been in my DMs being like, you have to, you have to, you have to. Really? You have to watch Australian Survivor season four. It's a sit. It's cuckoo bananas long, but it is so gratifying. I'm telling you, get in my DMs about it, readers. I'm ready to engage about Australian Survivor season four, not five. Season four, season four.

There's one more thing I wanted to say about Survivor before we move on. I don't think so, honey, but it is, it's not coming to me. I think, oh, okay. I, I, cause I think we got the preview for the next episode for the one, the week of the 29th of November where there's another twist that gets introduced. But I was like, I think the reason why it's been great the last few episodes is because they have, they introduced all the twists early on and then they just let the rest of the

season play out the way it is supposed to, I guess. But I don't need many more twists, but I think there, I think we are going to get more because Jeff had that, uh, advantage like on the bench that no one found. And then like,

there's going to be another like thing that he throws in and I'm kind of nervous about what that's going to be. My thing with the twist is like, I always feel like with Survivor, you have to play every twist as if it's terrain. Like I feel like in Survivor, you know, there's going to be twists.

And if the show throws in a twist, like that's just terrain you have to play. Like, I don't ever think like, oh, they shouldn't have done that. A couple of times I've liked them less than other times. Yeah.

Every twist, every idol, every advantage, every setbackback every tribe switch like you have to play that like it's terrain you know you're entering into a game where these types of things happen so you can't be like oh well fuck that blah blah blah and like kick your kick your toes in the sand once they happen like you have to play them as terrain and if you are the type of person that's going to win or destined to win, you'll win no matter what the situation

is. Go off. Go off. You've been going off all episode and I have to say I really, really am in awe. Mama, this is why we do culture catch up. Because sometimes we have to get together

and get into it. Can I just say? You can always say. I think the dynamic for almost all the culture catch-ups, and I don't say this as a way of like putting myself down, truly. Bone yang. I think I'm just, I'm learning from you. I learned so, I'm in classes in session.

I'm learning. No. Hold on. And I can just say, I think some people have been like reaching out to be like

you sound like you're really putting yourself down and you're not you're questioning what you say before it comes out of your mouth on the podcast

and I just want to say blah blah I'm like no this is just like the way my brain works no you've always been like that what putting myself down no not putting yourself down

you always check in with yourself before you say things. It's a part of your process. But then you always say something beautiful. No. Believe me, my sense of self, my self-worth is at an all-time high.

That's not what this is. I had some low moments over the summer, as is documented on this podcast. But overall, I'm in a great place. A lot of good things going on that make me feel very fulfilled and i'm lucky and it's not whenever i like i'm kind of awkwardly yeah whenever i'm like figuring it out as i i don't think i'm that well spoken of a person as people would like to think i am and so i I'm just, I'm figuring out what I'm saying as I say it, which I think is okay. Everybody calm down.

You have a verbal process, which is your own. And I mean, I'd rather be, sometimes I'd rather be like you than me, who is like, let me come in strong and say this thing. And then I end up saying symposium

instead of compendium. You know what I mean? Girl, that's small potatoes. Then I end up calling it a shipparelli dress and not a scapparelli dress. You know what I mean? It just up calling it a shipparelli dress and not a scaparelli dress you know what I mean it just happens it's fine everybody I think this is coming from the same place

as when we tell you we don't know anything we don't know how to say words we don't know my words I don't know my heart but I do know my heart and I can I say I am moving closer to that truth every day I don't know my words but I do know my heart

sometimes I don't know it it's so beautiful to hear you say that role reversal literally sister life can I say something period period

100 100 100 I'm sorry period period the real housewives of Salt Lake City Period. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back.

I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends.

How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I felt too seen. Um, dragged. I'm NK and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable.

It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed,

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And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous. Some very urgent I'm coming overs. Because, I don't know, let's face face it life can get even crazier than a season finale of Grey's Anatomy. And now here we are opening up the friendship circle. To you someone's cheating. We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying. Let's get into it. Toxic friendship. Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours and every once in

a while bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us while we may be unlicensed to advise we're gonna do it anyway listen to call it what it is on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts hey everybody it's Matt Rogers back when I was a server I was one bad day away from a huge personal crisis. Thankfully, Giving Kitchen is here to serve those that serve us. Giving Kitchen is a nonprofit helping any food service worker who gets hurt, gets sick, loses a family member or their housing. That's giving relief.

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I do believe that it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey I do believe that it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Wow, we really got through so much culture. I know. I think this is one of our best culture catch-ups. Can I just say? A hundred percent. And here's the deal. People are going to think that I forgot something,

but it's part of my I Don't Think So Honey. Okay. I can't think of anything you might have forgotten. Do you have your phone this time? Yes. Okay. Because I've been self-timing the last couple weeks and it's felt wrong.

And I apologize about that, sister. I don't feel supported. And it will never happen again. I left my phone in my car last time. Okay. Are you ready? Do you have something? Yeah. I have something. He pressed against his vocal cords. My throat hurts a little bit. Oh, I'm sorry. You didn't do anything. Well, I'm sorry that it hurts. Literally, I did. It's okay.

I'll be fine. Drink some tea after this. Okay. This is Matt Rogers's I Don't Think So When His Time Starts Now. I don't think so, honey, that the way the morning show season two ended is Jennifer Aniston

turned into Joe Rogan. Unfortunately, the way that the second season of the morning show ends is we watch Jennifer Aniston cough, sputter, cry, and sweat for roughly 55 minutes before she basically gets better by

becoming joe rogan on a streaming service this is what happens in the show i have watched this season all along and here's the thing 30 maybe i do think so honey because i don't know what the heighten could have been beyond that to see To see Jennifer Aniston tell her streaming viewers that despite the fact that she is problematic to the nth degree, they can either get on the Alex Levy train or get the fuck off and basically pop off Joe Rogan status.

I don't know. I guess I don't think so, honey. The third graders, Emmys for all the third graders. I have to say they went off. Morning Show season two. And that's one minute. Can I to say, they went off. Morning Show Season 2. And that's one minute. Can I just say, I think I know the reason why,

when you texted me that, that Jennifer Aniston's character, that Alice Levy becomes Joe Rogan in the Season 2 finale, I did not like that. It didn't hit me the same way as when you would describe to me a true third grader plot,

because this doesn't feel third grade. You know what it was? The third graders don't know who Joe Rogan is. The third graders don't know. Here's the thing, Bowen. They do. That's how famous Joe Rogan is. Joe Rogan is so huge in podcasts.

And this is where we forget. Every third grader listens to the Spotify originals. Every third grader has a Spotify account, and they can listen to Joe Rogan's podcast on Spotify. Sorry, what were you going to say? You forget about the vast medium that is podcasting. You don't know the power that we hold having this podcast.

Joe Rogan has the power of about one million Las Culturistas. I know, that's true. Okay, he Las Culturista. Joe Rogan harnesses the power of one million Las Culturistas to basically be able to

control the minds of even the third graders who turned America's sweetheart, Jennifer Aniston, into Joe Rogan because the show is so obsessed with cancel culture and I have to confirm that in the post credits

like episode breakdown Reese Witherspoon says as herself in discussing the season she goes and I love Reese she's my favorite I think that in a way all the characters get cancelled cancelled by their

jobs cancelled by you know the social media, canceled by life. Like, and I'm just like, oh my God, this show is so third graders with DNC parents. I can't even get over it.

Also, what else happens? Oh, Reese Witherspoon, who plays one of the most famous women in America, Bradley Jackson, morning show co-host, walks down the street with flyers in her hand,

missing persons for her brother. And it's like, have you seen my brother? Have you seen my brother? Like he's a dog. So that ultimately Billy Crudup at the end of it says, I love you. Teresa with a spoon.

And she's like, and remember she's a lesbian now, but he's like, I love you. And this is what people say, right? I love you. And it's like,

he's a robot saying, I love you for the first time that was a third grade moment but i've never seen camp like watching and i do use it and it is no this is no morning show is we can say according to matt rogers and bo and yang is camp camp we all know this she was true she truly almost died of covid and then mark duplass comes over lies to her that he has covid too you find out he doesn't so basically he's just exposing himself so he can be with her and she gets a streaming service uba plus she gets a show on the streaming service and she pops off and is truly firing off like joe rogan being like i don't fucking care if you like me at all i am who i am you fucking pieces of shit watching this get on my trainer get the

fuck off. So this is my thing. And she said, stay safe and stay sane. It was the last words of the episode. Oh my God. Like every email from April 2020, that's... Stay safe and stay sane. That's so stupid. But this is my thing.

None of that sounds like third grader. You know what it sounds like? College. No, the teacher. It sounds like the teacher. I like the teacher i think the teacher took a pass at the finale because she was like you know what i want to put my own little imprimatur on this and she she wrote that ending that's my theory i know this is your theory and i don't want to mess with your theory because it's the funniest it's truly one of the funniest

bits of comedy from 2021 i can say that that as someone who is receiving this comedy from you. Like this whole bit that the morning show is written by a classroom of third graders is your theory. I just think my contribution is that for the finale because it does stand out a little bit to me. I hadn't thought about that. It breaks the pattern a little bit of the morning show. You know what it was? So another part of the sort of I guess we're going to call it

the greater world of the third graders is remember I said the teachers believe in the norm to go get drunk. Right. So she came back at the end of the week and said she's been through a bender and she said let me get this fucking show. All right, the episode of this show.

Hold on a second. Here's my fucking... Okay. Yeah. You fucking piece of this shit. Fucking fuck you. She says, fuck you. She's sweating. She's almost fucking dead. Stay safe and safe. I forgot about the storyline. He says, I love you to her.

Yeah, that. All right, back to her. If you don't like me, fuck you. Fuck off. Gentleman of streaming service. Okay. He's got COVID too. Great. Okay.

Send. She hit send. You hit a direct line to Tim Cook. And then Tim tells everybody over at Apple TV. Anyways, that's the story of, that's the glory of Morning Show Season 2. Truly a standing ovation. Okay.

Are you ready for your I Don't Think So Honey? I have one. It's a little, it's a little self-indulgent. Not that most of mine aren't. But this is something that's specific to me. But it has to do with the culture. And I think I have to say this. We're going to get into it.

Okay. In a decidedly Bowen Yang I Don't Think So Honey. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. Me being his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Me being fan cast as Bach in the Wicked movie. Because this is something that you know will never happen. And I didn't think about before.

But now that you're all telling me that I should play Bach, I'm like, I guess I want to play Bach. But guess what? May I remind you, it will never happen. And so you're setting me up for emotional despair that I can't be a part of this wonderful project starring two actors

who I adore, directed by a director who I adore. 30 seconds. I can't be involved in this magical, do you know how iconic it would be

if I got to play the Tin Man? Bitch, you don't because I'm just a little piece of chattel to you and you can list me next to fucking, oh, Audrey McDonald with Madame Moribald. No, don't do that to me.

I'm too fragile for that. I am not in a place in my career where you can do that yet because I still think of these movies like you do. I'm fan casting along with you. Five seconds. And for me to be fan cast,

it feels wrong and cruel and you must stop, please. And that's one minute. So here's the deal. I think that if you wanted the audition, all you'd have to do was text. Mr. John M. Chu? I think you should just contact him. But here's the thing.

Then you'd have to be that person who like did that. Then I got to be like, I got to go on the fucking talk shows. And be like, yeah, I texted him. You know, like, no, I have no interest in that. No, you can't be thirsty. You can't be like i gotta go on the fucking talk shows and be like yeah i texted him you know like no i have no no you can't be thirsty you can't be like deborah messing with lucy you know what i mean you don't want to end up a fate worse than death being deborah messing in the lucy narrative yeah no see like i think you'd be fabulous but i also i think they might be trying to cast a little person i think they should cast all the munchkins as little people. Yeah.

I think that also, here's another thing. Tell me. What are y'all trying to say? That I can't fuck? Because guess what? Because he ever fucks. I can bag any Nessa Rose I want. I can actually bag the Galindas.

I don't need to fuck Nessa because I can go into a bar and walk up to the Galinda of the room and say, hey, you me my place. Let's go. I have only home essentials in my room. You want to know? You want to know why Pete and Ariana broke up?

Bowen fucked Ariana Grande spread it spread it around what broke them up Bowen. It was Bowen fucked Ariana Grande. Spread it. Spread it around. What broke them up? Bowen. It was Bowen. She said, no, I want that faggot. Ariana said,

I want that faggot. I want to let that faggot I want to hear that faggot make some noise. And she can say fag. Faggots let me make some noise. Faggots let me make some noise. Faggots. faggots let me know faggots faggots it's actually real culture number 100 ariana can and has said faggots i support your casting but here's the thing if you were in the wicked movie then you have to be in it and like you you really can't enjoy I know yeah you're right there's something to just being able to

like okay get this so I'm seeing Fire Island tomorrow I know oh my god and so I don't know if this is saying too much but like very very very small handful of people have seen the movie a director's cut a director's cut and apparently it's like

really good and so Joel says do you want to come see it and i'm like panicking i can't believe i'm about to go watch a movie with us in it like i'm like oh my god oh it'll feel crazy i'm sure but are you worried that you're not going to be able to like line up your consumption of the movie along with everyone else well i asked joel about that i'm like um how long did it take you to settle into watching it and he was like pretty much minutes into the movie i settled into it like he's well he said he said a specific part but i was like okay maybe like as it goes like i'll get into it but i have a feeling like my experience is gonna be i'm gonna watch it the whole first time through and like have my shoulders up here and then i'll be able to watch it again

and again after that because I'll finally be able to like stop seeing myself in it and also stop seeing like everything we know I just want to like try to go in as best as I can and just watch it as a movie and enjoy it because I know I would and will but that's the thing about being

in this type of stuff is like I would love to be able to enjoy it but then I can't get out of my mind like, that's me up there. But you know, you and Joel are very similar in this way where I think he might have gone into his viewing of it with the same feeling, and then he ended

up being, I think, very enthusiastic about it. He was. Which is a great sign. No, of course, it's the best time because joel like has very good standards and taste anyway i was texting with andrew on the director oh we love him so much love he i was we were just texting each other catching up i was like oh my god congrats like it's so it's this is so cool like i heard the screening went great and then he was like okay and we'll do a New York screening soon

and it'll be wonderful and then over Thanksgiving I texted him like okay but when do you think a New York screening will happen I know I know I know and then he was like well do you want to watch it he was like do you want to watch it at the premiere or do you want to watch it with like a small like cast

and crew group in New York like when we do it sometime in the future that's another thing I'm thinking about is maybe I shouldn't watch it tomorrow no I think you should it with like a small like cast and crew group in new york like when we do it at some time see that's another thing i'm thinking about is maybe i shouldn't watch it tomorrow no i think you should because here's my thing i told andrea i was like the idea of watching myself for the first time in this with a bunch of other strangers terrifies me because i i need to like have a sense of like what I think, how I think I did in the movie that is not that informed by what other people think just yet. Yeah. Okay.

Well also then again, Bowen, it's not really for us. I know, I know, I know, I know. But just for my own like vanity,

like that's my thing. And then Andrew was like, what do you mean? Like, that's your, like your job every week is to like, yeah, it's true.

It is different. It is. And I told him, that's your, like your job every week is to like perform in front of strangers. But it is different. It is different. And I told him, I was like, no, it's completely different because I have the luxury of getting immediate feedback on how I'm doing

in a performance in front of strangers and knowing whether or not I did a good job. This is something totally foreign to me where it's something I did in the summer and it won't

be received by many people until a year later. That is so conceptually crazy to me. Well, I mean, I think Joel's excited about me watching it, so I am going to go over there and see it. I did ask him already specific

questions about certain things and he's been very reassuring. I love that. Anyways, and you know, I did ask him already specific questions about certain things and he's been very reassuring. So, I love that. Anyways, but I'm really excited. I can't believe it's like, I know,

gonna be a thing. Like, I'm excited. I'm so proud of Joel and Andrew. Yeah. Like just what a, what a huge deal. Anyway,

much more to come on that one. And, this was truly a culture catch up. I mean, maybe our best one. I think it's our best one. We covered a lot. We got into it. Whenever we at the end of an episode say,

this is our best one. That's when I say, hundred, period. Maybe it's hundred, period. Is hundred, period the title? I think we only said what? I forgot it. Oh, we said lady gaga is spec spec nominal nominal no i think it's hundred period hundred period period period so okay so numeral one zero zero period you want to do numerals can you tell

me right here what you want to how you want it to show up? I think it should be the word hundred period as in the punctuation mark space and then period period period unless you want to do hundred period as in the punctuation period exclamation

point. Yep. Hundred period period. Yep. That's it. With Matt and Bowen, of course. To denote that it's a culture catch-up and just the dolls. And just the dolls. Well. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Spectnominal. Spectnominal episode. Spectnominal did not

end up winning title of app status, but. So, highlights. Lady Gaga is Spectnominal and House of Gucci, but we don't like the movie. The Las Claritas Culture Awards are cancelled and we wish Wendy Williams the movie. The Las Cotteristas Culture Awards are canceled and we wish Wendy Williams the best. I'm so disappointed

in ourselves. No, I'm not disappointed. I'm really sad that the awards are canceled, but we had to do it. It would have been in poor taste

to have kept them going given the state of Wendy Williams right now. The Las Cotteristas Culture Awards as an idea was a beautiful moment in time that was a

byproduct of our insanity during the filming of the movie Fire Island. And it will stand the test of time. Oh, 100%. But if you read the... 100. Period. Period. To award the nominees now, only months later, makes no sense

to us. No. It no longer makes sense. And we wish Wendy the best. And we never have to save this song. How you do it. Shout it out. I'm NK. And this is Basket Case. What is wrong with me?

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