Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “I Am Stunning and I Will Survive” (w/ Jeremy Beiler)

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

Wow. Simply wow. Another day, another Las Culturistas you really shouldn't miss. Matt and Bowen are joined by I Love That For You co-creator and former SNL writer Jeremy Beiler! A legend! Acting adjustments? He'll give them! (To Matt, on the set of I Love That For You.) So much importance is discussed such as the Be Real phenomenon, the illustrious work of Nancy Meyers (it IS complicated), how to elevate classic tropes on TV, the joy of retail therapy, the blegh-ness of QR code menus, Top Gun Maverick, and much more! And we must especially highlight the grandness of the Titanic and of course the the machinery involved in the sinking of Titanic!! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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your podcasts. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.

Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Now, you said you were sort of shook a second ago. What has shook you? I just saw a tweet from a reader.

At my sayer lady just tweeted at us. And what did they say? Las Culturistas should also know if you click the ellipsis next to someone's be real, it will show you how many times they retook it. Oh. Isn't that shocking? That is shocking, shady, and shitty. Can I be real right now and say that?

Always. Always with me. Thank you. This podcast has been a be real for six years. Honey, be real. More like been real. It's actually rule of culture number 14. Honey, be real.

More like been real. Say that. Hashtag lost culture. Hashtag lost culture. But I will say I have retaken several be reals. And that's not been real. Say that. Hashtag lost culture. Hashtag lost culture. But I will say I have retaken several be reals. And that's not being real. That's not being real. And you had the gall to be on here.

I'm like, I think this is going to save social media. It's getting me to be so real. It's still orders of magnitude better than any other social media platform. I'm actually reaching over with my foot right now to grab my, for those of you, cause podcasts are not a visual medium. I'm actually horizontal right now. Sort of like Mariah in her,

in her, in her reality show, Mariah's world. I'm horizontal on my, on my bed in my hotel right now. I'm reaching over with my foot to get my phone because I think the reason why I'm getting is because I don't want to be real to tell me to be real. And then I,

what will happen going forward? We need a plan. If, The reason why I'm getting it is because I don't want Be Real to tell me to be real and then I be late. What will happen? Going forward, we need a plan. If Be Real happens, this episode or any other episode, during recording, what do we do? I think we have to be real. We have to be real. And I have to be real right now. I really hope that that happens.

I hope that happens because let me tell you something. I want everyone to know what I'm doing right now. I want everyone to know about the people I'm with and talking to because I'm talking to legends. I'm talking to legends. Before we sort of bring in the legend, can we talk about your legendary night you presented at the Tony Awards, you fucking six fiend? I presented at the Tony Awards and I was telling our guest and you moments ago that like, we're just again, and I know it's so uninteresting. This is so interesting.

This is so interesting. No, but it's so uninteresting conceptually to hear someone talk about how tired they are. And we know we, we realize a couple of system readers that we've been doing this for the last few episodes. Talk about how tired we are, but you know,

the fire Island press cycle is not over yet. No, not even close. And so... Sorry, by the way. Sorry, by the way. It will culminate in the Culture Awards. That will be basically the last press stop.

Which is this weekend on Saturday. And we want to see you all there. So Bowen and I are doing Watch What Happens Live. By the time this comes out, that'll be out. And we're going to P-Town, so Bowen can get an award and I can sort of hashtag be there. And then Saturday night is the Culture Awards.

And then that's really kind of it. That's kind of it. And that would be a perfect sort of coda and a little period to the whole thing. Yeah, it'll be a coda and a period. It'll be a coda and a period. Anyway, the Tonys, my body is just like barely functioning and so i did unfortunately feel like i was dissociating the entire time i was there and it was a four-hour ceremony that is long and that is sort of a choice when like when when the tony awards or any awards body is like you know what

we're gonna do be very long like that is that is a real genuine choice i will say that i read something that made me really laugh about you presenting at the awards i told you about this but they said it was someone who tweeted and said the tony awards audience just reacted to bow and yang coming on stage like andrew garfield coming out of the portal in spider-man like ah yeah like they were just like, oh my God, it's Bowen Yang from Saturday Night Live! It's you!

So exciting. I was just impressed that people had the energy towards the end of the show because I was presenting towards the end and I'm like, everyone's going to be so tuckered out. Out of all the performances,

who tore and slayed and went off the hardest? Oh my God. Drakena Kalukango was incredible and fucking immediate standing O as soon as she was done. And then her speech was also like everyone was shaking and then I had to follow that

by coming in. I think maybe she probably set me up. She amped up that entire crowd so that I could come out and be like, Queen slay pop star Henry VIII. Six. And then it happened. This is six. Oh my God,

but it was actually really fun to, can I, I will be real and say, isn't it like our dream to like present that, not an award. All I want to do is present. Not an award,

but like for, like be the Travolta for the Frozen, you know? 100%. That's all I want to do and I actually I am a little gagged if I think about it now but yesterday was such like a okay now you go here

you go here you go here it was just like really really crazy and I mostly the grounding force was Eddie Valk our stage manager at SNL was stage managing the Tonys and it was actually really nice to have him there sorry this is some showbiz showbiz biz well I thought you looked absolutely stunning like a queen and p.s my night was interesting too because i had game show in the

at the bell house and tomas by the way everyone's obsessed with tomas now from the episode last week of course and they came and absolutely destroyed game show you have to go on to their instagram they posted their make an entrance which is what the wise queer does at the in the second half of the show it's a you'll see just go to Tomas's Instagram and watch their make an entrance it's so iconic but anyway I took them to

bubble tea on Friday and they were the bell of the ball yeah the main event of course the main event unparalleled star quality beyond beyond beyond speaking of beyond so sort of um what's going to happen this weekend is not just the culture awards so basically so this is the schedule for the weekend friday the finale of i love that for you is streaming on showtime oh my god then saturday is the culture awards then sunday at 8 30 p.m on showtime i love that

for you airs because the thing the interesting thing about i love that for you on showtime is it it has its episodes come out twice sometimes even three times and that's what's so kind of queer about the show they talk about how you know like like there's actually some you know if you watch the last episode there's actually sort of maybe a queer love story starting. I don't know. But the queerest thing about the show is how they choose to release the episodes, which is sort of

everywhere all at once. Everything everywhere all at once. You know what I'm saying? It's very queer. Steph's shoe is queer. Basically, what I'm saying is the finale is this week, and we have the co-creator really my boss i call him daddy all the time he insists upon it and he is the co-creator of the show i love that for you and really amongst many other things bro this is an icon and a legend this is an icon and a legend. I was really crushing Stanning since like the Onion

days. Crushing even? Okay. Crushing even. Well, it was just like, it was Mr. Byler. Not Mr. Byler. It was Jeremy Byler. You were like, that's Jeremy Byler. Didn't you guys match on Tinder? No. Well, I don't think he remembers this. Oh. I remember you saying it.

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And it has to do with I Love That For You. But I won't bring it up during the discussion. Oh, stay tuned until the end. Until the end. I hope this episode has good stickability. You've been liking the word sticky lately. You've been saying the movie is sticky. I love that for you. It's sticky.

It is sticky. We actually have to tell our guest about all of the most perfect moments of praise that Matt has gotten from the wildest assortment of people. It is true. We'll talk about it.

We'll talk about it. Our we'll talk about it yes our guest has written for Inside Amy Schumer fucking Saturday Night Live ever heard of it and it basically is the co-creator with Vanessa Bayer and you know it's just the genius of all time of I Love That For You the show that I am so proud to be a part

of and the finale airs this week everyone please welcome into your goddamn ears the one the only jeremy oh my god i'm legitimately starstruck live from spain getting to see from spain how fucking obnoxious no you can hear people like switching to another podcast this this white man vacationing interrupts the first thing that we talk about. The thing is, you're not

the most exotic location that we've talked to someone from. Alan Cumming was in an Australian limestone cave. Oh, fuck. The stalactites. The stalagmites. I have to listen to that one. He'll always... Alan will always

one-up anyone. Any of us. He seems like a fancy person who's kind of gallivants. Gallivants but has a house upstate. I think he seems very balanced to me in terms of his creature comforts. He knows how to

enjoy everything. I once, long ago, saw him in cabaret and had a mutual friend or something that brought us backstage into his dressing room and he had like the classic like old hollywood dressing room where there's like his own lamps and like a fridge full of drinks and just so much kitsch and like handkerchiefs and it was just it was really like fantastic he feels like one of the people who like still do that kind of. Yeah. He has joie de vivre and he is an international phenomenon.

Bon vivant. And that is all true, but sort of, you know, just getting drifting away from that. Do you remember matching with Bowen Yang on Tinder? It wasn't Tinder, Jeremy.

What was it? When did we match? I don't remember, but I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. I was working a temp job in Midtown. This is Grindr 2012. I can date it. Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a decade ago. Grindr 2012. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing came of it, obviously. I was really playing the numbers at that time. We all were. We still are. I remember basically a keynote. I was like the old lady playing keynote

in Vegas. And? How'd you do? And I won, baby! I won! A husband! But we met IRL. You and Jason met IRL?

Yeah. We met at a dinner party met IRL. You and Jason met IRL? Yeah. We met at a dinner party that neither of us like wanted to go to. Oh my God. It was so, I know. Yeah.

You can't ask for anything better. You really can't. Well, it was, it was tumultuous. It was like, he was in a relationship. I was,

I was, as I said, playing the numbers. And I, but I, but we were like, we just had like an immediate, like thing, like a moment. And, but I was, as I said, playing the numbers. But we were like, we just had like an immediate thing, like a moment. But that actually made me so sad because I had spent so much time just like kind of sleeping around and hanging out.

And I was like, oh, here's a person who I actually like really connect with intellectually, very attracted to. Like he's hilarious, beautiful. So like the thing thing like the spark and then i was like oh but of course he's taken i was like of course that like this person is not for me and and i'm not it's not like me to like i like i didn't pursue i was like maybe we'll be friends or whatever and then it was there was just sort of this undeniable connection and he ended up breaking it off with his other person and marrying my gay ass because of me. Wow, that's kind of iconic.

That's iconic. How long? It's what? Well, I don't know. It's complicated. It's complicated. Who made that movie? Nancy Meyers? No. To quote Nancy Meyers, it's complicated. That's actually rule of culture number 100. To quote Nancy Meyers, it's complicated. That's actually rule of culture number 100.

To quote Nancy Meyers, it's complicated. How long was the period of tumult or complication? How long did it take? It was truly so short. It's no notes. It's no notes.

You had a meet kid at a dinner party that neither of you wanted to be at. It's no notes. It's no notes. Like you met, you had a meet kid at a dinner party that neither of you wanted to be at. It's so like, it's so, I don't know. It feels like a Sally Rooney book or some shit. Like it sounds so nice. It was really, it was really pretty magical.

And then we, you know, we had our moments, you know, we've been together for five years and we, you know, it's work baby, but it's,

right now he's like making a fire outside oh that's so yeah it is it's um and we right after we got together he wrote a play that was going to be up in williamstown and he was going to be there for like several months and then i was going to be in tokyo with a couple of friends for like several weeks so we didn't we like immediately connected but then we were going to be in completely different places and i drove before we even like touched or done anything i drove up to williamstown and we had our little you know magical weekend and then he came to tokyo oh i i'm so hot for that wait so you went up to will Lamestown and you guys fucked it all up for the weekend? Every corner of that little town. Oh, that rocks!

Oh my god, I want to have a fuck weekend so bad. I want that so badly. Oh my god, it's been such a long time since I had a fuck weekend with someone I really like. Everyone's bad right now. But really, what are your love lives like? What's going on? Can I ask? Matt and I are both,

maybe, are we both going through something similar where we're being like, I don't know. I'm needing to release something and I think it'll be good. But I kind of like, for me,

it's like, I haven't done this in a long time, but I sort of let myself like, emotionally run amok on something. And like, it just, it's fine. I just had like i sort of let myself like emotionally run amok on something and like it just it's fine i just had like a sort of situation summer situation last year that i thought maybe would continue and is not going to which is totally fine um and for the best and we still love the person but the thing is like it did give me that little taste of like oh i really like someone and like

i think i didn't realize how much i kind of want that i've been kind of saying the thing of like oh i really like someone and like i think i didn't realize how much i kind of want that i've been kind of saying the thing of like oh i'm fine not in a relationship it's better for me to be single you know etc i've been enjoying it but then like there is those little things like i i don't know i'm so much more of a it's like a grass is greener thing right it's like when you're in a relationship and it's it's great for a while then you really want to be single and now that i'm not in one i'm feeling those little like nibbles again of like oh i forgot i'm someone that likes to be taken care of and like loved and like i i do have that unfortunate impulse to want someone to be obsessed with me and only me and it's you know what i mean is that what you want out of it yeah well i i don't know i'm trying to stay i'm trying to like

yeah to be honest with you because i can promise i i would love to be obsessed with someone else too like i i do crave that thing of like this is my person we're obsessed with each other and like for however long that's gonna last is great but you know i don't know also this summer i'm kind of interested in like just kind of being a capital w whore, which probably will happen. Life is long, honey. It's going to be your, you just make sure that whoever it is deserves you. Thank you for that.

Okay. Bowen Yang, what's what are you feeling, Sim? I'm feeling Sim. And yeah, it's that thing where I really want to be infatuated with someone. And that hasn't happened.

It's exciting and it feels good. I know. I know. But it has to, I wonder what that is. People have written about it for ages and yet we still don't know. And usually when people write about things for ages, there should be an answer by now.

But feelings, they're complicated. They're complicated a lot. They're complicated a lot. That's rule of culture number seven. Feelings, they're complicated a lot. That was culture number seven feelings they're complicated a lot that was the original title of nancy even nancy has the first draft you know what i mean nancy doesn't just walk over to final draft and nail it every time nancy struggles you know nancy's there she's typing away she fucking she's drinking her you who's i don't know why i picture her drinking you she definitely does she flops a pillow she's like sunlight streams into the room no no floods the

room yeah everyone is drowning in sunlight and they're like nancy they're not gonna read the stage directions in the movie it can be whatever it is like just work on the dialogue mama you know you guys remember Something's Gotta Give? Of course. Where Diane Keaton is playing the playwright. She makes writing look... If there's some similarity between

Erica Berry's, which is the character's name. If there's a similarity between Erica's process and Nancy's process, I feel like there's something not quite right about that. Because it's her in her Hamptons house facing the window, typing, and the writing is not good.

It seems like, I love my girl Nancy, but it seems like Erica Berry is not that good of a playwright. Like the movie playwriting is like not great to me. Do you stand nancy i feel like you do jeremy oh absolutely yeah that's the vibe i get yeah oh my god yeah i but then you get in the movies like lines like fucking like dude do you know what this is this is heartbreak how's that from previous huh like are you so good to me? It's a guilt to me.

It's a guilty pleasure to me. It's scratching that it's that corner of the brain. That's like, I want to watch a movie, but also I want to like flip through a magazine. And it's like, I get to do both in the same, like two hours,

which like is, yeah. Which is genius. Like that's a genius. And I, can I just say, not that people care about my process in any of this but for fire island like the thing that like anchored the whole performance was i was

watching scenes from something's gotta give like the seat like oh i love that like in terms of like the heart like playing the heartbreak of it i was just like okay like it's it's it's erica it's like it's diane keaton like realizing that like like that walking away from Jack Nicholson in the house being like, oh, we should sleep in separate beds. That is such a good scene to me. Oh! Oh, that is an amazing scene. Amazing scene. Diane Keaton is so like, she's so like

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's so, oh my god. She's off the page. She's off the page! Totally off the page. She is so good in that movie honestly and she didn't kind of stand a chance for the oscar that year because that was charlie's theron's big monster year it's sort of like when charlie's theron put on a different face and gained you know 15 20 and like put on like a mullet to like pretend she was a swamp monster

serial killer and then never ever did that again she's like kind of only hot now but that was like the big year for her but diane keaton that's like talk about like like a movie that never would have been nominated for an oscar until someone comes in and like destroys a hundred percent she like took what was there and oh my god that's that's like one of the great scenes that's and she's like for a millisecond she's crying and then she's not. It's like that kind of... Nancy stays on her and then fucking

Diane goes through like ten different micro expressions and then she goes, this was a really wonderful night. And then walks away. Because honestly, honestly honestly that is how it feels yeah like when that is bittersweet i mean you know what i mean like oh god i start crying it's just that kind of thing of like it was it really was nice but it's also wrong and you feel

great but you feel bad and you feel anxious but you also know what it is and it's kind of just like you also feel like you played yourself but also you're happy you did it because it's great to experience all the emotions and then you're like i want to take it back but also you never would you know it's just it's and it's all coming across in that moment and that's why i love romantic comedy so much and that's why it's like like what like with fire island coming out like i keep playing the sometimes cover by moona and i keep just getting so emotional because i'm so happy and proud to be a part of like a great rom-com and like bowen like the scene in the movie where where you get that moment with james like that to me is like what i love about movies and that's why i love like you know it's it's just

it's that i love nancy myers i love nancy myers god i cannot fucking wait to see fire island i can't believe i haven't seen it yet and for those for the um the for the readers matt you were giving just now into the zoom as you were describing you were giving a performance right just now yes like you were giving yes well thanks that was that was really well jeremy i'm always sort of auditioning for you so you can see what I can do so you put it into the show. You know what I mean? Can I trust you in adjustment?

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And we have a new podcast, Call It What It Is. You may know us from Graceland Memorial, but did you know that we are actually besties in real life? And as all besties do, we navigate the highs and lows of life together. And what does that look like? A thousand pep talks. A million I've got yous. Some very urgent I'm coming overs.

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I mean like Judy with the alt is come on no one better Judy with the alt oh my god and she's she's fucking Babe Ruth yeah 100% Judy actually was the one who came in and said I mean probably my favorite moment on the show that I get to do, well, that everyone by this time

has seen if they're watching it, is like, the discourse is toxic, where when Darcy gets his bag finally, and then he's posing with it in the mirror and sort of rehearsing lines he's going to say to people when he can carry this bag and have a serious conversation with people, and we're brainstorming things he could say.

And Sudi came in and she said, just say the discourse is toxic. And I was like, that is so fucking funny. It's so good. And I just pictured you two clowns in village just cracking each other up. And it made me really happy. Oh, that was 100% Sudi.

That was a full Sudi invention. And also that scene the the the pairing to give you a sense of the dynamic bow and like the matt and studi together like collaborating just like having a moment having an idea like putting it on screen like we did that was its own thing that was like a constant source of genius for the show and it was like set up knock them down it was it's such a like flow that you guys have. It's so beautiful and so funny. And that scene is one of my favorite scenes in the show. And it's one of the only scenes in the entire show that when we saw the

first cut of it, that like usually is longer and like includes like everything that the editors love. We didn't change that scene one frame. We didn't change a frame of that scene. It was like, this all has to be there. It's perfect. That's so nice. That's Matt. That's Matt for you.

That's Matt. Oh, stop. And that's the show. It's the show too. I gotta say, I just, I feel like I come to a lot of viewing experiences when I watch a show or something as like compulsory as like it's homework.

And it never has felt that way once with, with I love that for you, for me, it's always been, Oh great. It's Friday when it streams or it's Sunday when it airs. Like I get to watch, I get to watch a new episode.

Or there's a secret sneak preview that no one knew about. Actually, I was in New York that night. It was like April 17th. And the show was gonna secretly premiere on linear um like on sunday night like after the first lady and i was with bowen and sudi and our friend dave mazzoni and i i was like would you guys want to watch it and that was the same night uh i was on watch what happens live so we watched that and then we

watched i love that for you and i remember being a little nervous and i were a little nervous because you know we obviously care what they think. And I remember Bowen turned to me after the pilot and he was like, this was such a great pilot. This is exactly the kind of show I want to watch. And like, it made me feel really good and confident. Like,

obviously I was always confident, but like, you know, all you want is for your smart, funny friends to think it's smart and funny. And then he did. So that's because of you though, bitch.

I mean, you came up with the shit. Yeah. Oh no, it's, it's, it's because of you. that's because of you though bitch i mean you came up with the shit yeah oh no it's it's it's because of you it's because of a billion people it's so much bigger than the sum of its parts i i share that like feeling that like that you like it bowen is very meaningful to me because i feel like you are truly a tastemaker a genius every i like i like it that is very meaningful to me. That means a lot. It's just true. It's very honest. That thing that I said to Matt in terms of

being in this show that is exactly the kind of show I want to watch was just the truth. I want to say that it's just such a great vehicle for Vanessa. I know she's the face of the show but it's like she hasn't like

she's just such a good lead for this kind of thing she is such a such fucking genius and also like she's the type of person who when we wrote together at SNL like it was like oh writing for this person

makes me a funnier writer you know what i mean like when you hand when you hand them something and it's just like they do like the the the 90 of it that's like really making it it just makes you take bigger swings it makes you feel but i'm just like i'm just in love with vanessa she's one of the great gifts of my life yeah it it really the the ensemble like you know we had a good feeling about it but watching the show and this is something so the finale is this this weekend everybody and i honestly i've thought since the beginning that it would make a really great bin so if you have not yet done it you can get the show time trial

and you know you can knock it all out and then watch the finale and i honestly think all eight episodes are going to feel very cohesive and good together because the arcs are going to be really fun to see play out in that short little burst. And I'm just excited for people to see it because the journeys for all the characters are really, really clear, especially I think with Molly. I think for me, it's like episode to episode, like watching it week to week is one thing. And then I think watching it all together, like what's really great to me, and there's so many great things, but something I wanted to compliment you on that I've noticed, and Molly as well, is that there's stuff in the pilot about Molly's character. And even the second episode that you think, oh, that's just a Molly Shannon quirk that ends up really paying off in a huge character way

and in a writing way by the end. And I honestly think having seen episodes six and seven and now eight, the seeds are there from the beginning in a way that's really, really cool. So this to me is, I think, going to really be a good binge. I agree with you that the show is actually pretty serialized. If you watch it, watching it all together, I think it would be a good binge i agree with you that like the show is actually pretty serialized if you want i think watching it all together i think would be a nice experience absolutely but that that is a credit to our incredible writers like truly our writers room

is just fucking geniuses yes they're so great albertina rizzo yeah she's crystal jenkins zora b kongaga studio green alley liba got j Ali Liebigot maybe. I mean, one of the best. I wanted to ask you though, so something I get asked a lot about the show is because you are the gay co-creator of the show and I'm the gay role on the show. Openly gay. Openly gay and we're both openly

gay men and we should say that. Openly gay and so what I wanted to ask you was something i get asked all the time is like well how did you navigate this not being like just the sassy gay assistant or how did you navigate like this not being like so and i even get told sometimes like you really elevate this part from just being the assistant just the assistant just the assistant etc and what i loved about it from the very beginning was that like he seemed to be aware of that trope and wanted to remind everyone, actually, no, you take me seriously.

And then immediately gets treated by Jennifer as the assistant. And then we see that navigation and that rub and that push and pull. But I would imagine that as the creator of this show and as a gay man and as a gay person in entertainment, that that role probably did give you an opportunity to push that forward. So I just wanted to like, ask you about like what went into like creating the gay character on the show. I'm, I feel so lucky to play it because it's so dynamic,

but like, I wanted to ask about like how, how you approached it. You know, I think we, we, when we wrote the pilot, we just Vanessa and I love this idea of somebody who was like struggling

for power and just didn't get it and was kind of walked all over. And I think like the gay of it all, like, I don't know that I like thought too much about it. And I think maybe that's, that's sort of an example of like, maybe we stepped into a trope that we didn't really realize that we like should have been a little more aware of.

But, but I do feel like from that i'm talking about like the early stages of it but like from there it's like once we knew that it was you and that it would be so much more and that you're just so funny with any scenario that like i i personally don't look at it as like he's the gay one he's He's the gay assistant. Like, even though I, you know, I can see that, like, I've also gotten that question too. So I think that is part of what we've made in the show, but I just didn't, I just didn't think about it that way. I don't know. I just feel like he's, I do, I feel such attachment to Darcy, especially after, you know, on the page,

I felt it. And then times and millions after seeing you play him and we have so many ideas for him so many backstories and so many things that we just even for real estate sake like didn't get to didn't get to show or had to cut for money like we had this this did you ever tell you about this scene that we cut for darcy where he goes and visits his cousins no what's that oh my god so we had we couldn't afford it but so where there was this scene where darcy goes to like a i'm trying to remember the details but he goes to like his cousin's birthday party or something and it's or his cousin's kid it's a nine-year-old birthday party and it's at like 10 p.m in like a dirt-filled backyard and like those are so expensive no wonder you couldn't afford it

yeah i know i know exactly it was like a location there i know everything has to be everything has to be in these four walls yeah literally um but so and then darcy like shows up in um you know wearing his like loafers and like just very and we get this sense of like him with his family like just very out of place and it's like and then i think originally that was when he bought the bag because he was like reminded that he comes from trash in his mind he's embarrassed about his perfect yeah perfect genius great writing amazing is there a tony left for me i'm gonna make a call. I think this is the thing.

I think people are so easily programmed with a quote-unquote stereotype or a trope that they think examining it or popping the hood open on a character level for any one instance of that trope is like something that they can write off but it makes it so worthwhile i mean it's why like legally blonde is great it's because it's like taking this like stereotypical dumb blonde person but actually like excavating like what she is like as a human being i think you guys are doing that with this trope of what a gay man on tv as a character usually is quote unquote. And yet like,

of course you're going to like, like fill out all these different contours and like his life, you know, like, like hearing that like cousin backstory is like, it makes perfect sense to me. And like, I'm like,

I want to see that. I don't know. Yeah. And I also think like it's in there enough in the subtext where it's like, that's sort of, I understand him now. And I remember in the very beginning, like,

because I had only seen really the pilot, I was, and I, maybe it's my own, like not trauma, but like experience with like, you know, playing roles like this.

Cause I actually have played assistants quite a lot. I would have you, I would imagine that we've all done an assistant. I have. Yeah. Yeah. So it's cause it's just what we're given so many times and so i think like i was like oh i really wonder where it's gonna go and then when it became what it was and like that there was actual like emotional stuff to go through and that yes it was about this bag but really it's more about like he wants so badly to be taken seriously and to prove to himself that he's more than just someone who's secondary. To me, that's really rich stuff. And I think that by the end, what I love about it is he's

in such a different place than he is in the beginning. And so honestly, it feels weird, and it's like this was fire island too but before this i had never ever ever even gotten the opportunity to play a character with an arc at all like the only thing i had ever done was just like come in and like say a joke or whatever which is fun and fine but like you know i think that it's like you work for so many years to get like to get this opportunity and then for it to be so good. And I remember towards the end, when I was getting the scripts and just hearing everyone scream in their trailers

about how good they all were, I think to me, it was just exciting for it to be surprising and for it to be layered because I think as a gay actor and as a gay, even as a gay writer and gay creator who's had the opportunity to write these types of things for myself like because you're experiencing so many times like a limited um amount of things to do like you just don't imagine yourself doing them and so then there i was like in episode seven like

playing that scene with perry where it goes a certain way and it's just exciting for me and so i guess like i'm just so grateful to you and thankful to you for caring so much about the character and like you know making it something that's so fun to play and so funny but also to be honest with you real because i get it i understand someone that takes themselves very seriously and like works very hard or not even that they take themselves seriously is very hard on themselves yeah and like i think that in doing it like i was hard on myself and so now to watch it and be so proud of it is it's it i just i can't thank you enough and like it i don't know from the very beginning when i first came in for the audition i felt really good about it it's been

such a good experience and so i i really just oh my god man i can't thank you enough truly and also when you walked into that audition it was like there was the role belonged to absolutely everybody else it was just not it was not even a question it was just not a question that's so nice and and i so you like but you also like brought that the acting like you brought like you like are delivering the moments in this show like it's not just funny it's more which is exactly what we needed and want and like the fact that you can do it's just i can't wait all that to say i can't wait for like more a lot more if we get through it for yeah well and i don't i bowen i don't know if you feel like this but it's like but we and maybe jeremy too like i don't know just coming like being true

clowns in the beginning of all this you know what I mean like coming from like truly doing comedy like being clowns like getting writing jobs like doing what you need to do and then but then like but like truly like and then all of a sudden you get an opportunity like this and Bowen I would imagine it's like this for you as well it's like you don't know that you can do it no totally like i had no idea i could do it like all the stuff that they throw at you for that like we and sometimes i'd read scripts and it would be like darcy is hysterically crying and weeping over this or like this happens it's like i apologize for that no no no but like and then but then you read it and there's a part of you in here and get the draft out yeah well literally like there's tips and tricks, but like a lot of times, like you as a performer

and as an actor, like when you get those scripts and like Bowen, I'm sure this is true for you too. Like you read it and you're like, oh my God, I'm so excited. But am I capable of this? Like it really is a thing that you go through, right? Like totally. Well, Jeremy, I do, but, but Jeremy, um, well on set, like? Totally. Do you feel that too, Bowen? I do, but Jeremy, on set, it wasn't in the script that you were hysterically crying,

but then Jeremy would come in with an adjustment and be like, hey, can you not do anything that we wrote and do something a little different that we just came up with? I love an adjustment. In theory, I love an adjustment because that's what the job is and it makes it makes i i

started to get less in my head about it like especially at snl where it's like oh no they're not doing this no they're not coming in with an adjustment because you're doing a bad job they're coming in because they want to make it work yeah and like that's that's all it is you know yeah anyway the darcy storyline with the bag i didn't realize how much I related to that until until like this past episode until when I was seven. Jeremy, I'm sure you can relate to this. Like any anyone's first season at SNL in any job is very hard. Yeah. And you feel like you are powerless and worthless and not valued. And so you get it. You get a decent paycheck for the first time maybe in your life and so what do you do you buy a nice thing for yourself to make you it's it's the retail therapy thing of like making yourself feel better

and that is a very human thing that anyone would do in that situation um no matter if they were like the gay assistant like i think anybody would like try to i don't know um just just just just make just just make them comfort themselves with that it's a version of self-soothing yeah totally yeah and and it's almost like what the whole show is about in some way too like for that for that which and i participate in it very much so like and jason does too that we're like in an examined way but what am i saying in an exact way but like but just that that like when you open a box and it's like your thing that you bought you're like for that one moment you will never die you know what i mean it's sort, yeah. And then you just send it to the,

send it to the Island in the middle of the Pacific. The garbage Island. The garbage Island. It's, it's a show about coping as a means of survival. Like that's like, what is so brilliant about it, I think.

And literally like in terms of like Joanna and Patricia, like surviving, um, Joanna had this new place of work, Patricia, in terms of like Joanna and Patricia like surviving um Joanna had this new place of work Patricia in terms of like her diagnosis Darcy in terms of like being treated like garbage at his job and like just trying to make it through trying to make it through this like Martha's Vineyard trip like it's just it's all I think the allegories are all and it's not an allegory but I think all of the like representative narratives are there in terms of like it all feeding

into this one concept. That's my take on it at least. What's the craziest thing you bought during your first year? I was going to ask you this. Okay, the craziest thing I bought, and Sudi actually encouraged me because Sudi knew that I was like struggling. She was like, you should buy something.

You should go to Saks and buy something nice for yourself. And Gary Richardson too. They were like, go to Saks and buy something nice for yourself. So it was, and Sudi was like, you should buy something. You should go to Saks and buy something nice for yourself. And Gary Richardson too. They were like, go to Saks and buy something nice for yourself. So it was, and Sudi was like, you should buy a pair of shoes so that when you walk around,

people go, oh, there goes Bowen with his nice shoes. You know, like it's a way for people to like index you or whatever.

And so I bought like just the most basic like Gucci sneakers. But at the time, that was like the nicest thing I'd ever bought for myself. But that's, myself but that's yeah

that's really nice what about you nice i don't think i i don't think i um bought anything like i think i blew it on like travel like great uh yeah you're you're a traveler breaks like i just like busted out yeah that's that's the better that's the better way to spend it on the yeah well no and then i would just blow it up like on food on like um like just so that i didn't have because you don't have energy to cook anything and you're like you want something like you just want like 30 shrimp for no reason just to like try and feel better and yeah this is this is what makes jeremy like a great like a great creative person is that he spends money on experiences and not like objects.

Yeah. That's it. I wish I was like that's how he will eventually go down. What do you mean Darcy? No no no Jeremy. Jeremy no. Just like the like irresponsible like travel. It's not irresponsible it's like

can I tell you, all I want right now is to go somewhere far away because I haven't done that in like three years. And I was going, and I just, I'm reaching out to Brendan Scannell's boyfriend,

Joe, today because he's a travel agent. And I'm going to be like, can you help me plan this trip? Yeah. Because I need to have it this summer. So you and I are going to go to London and then Mallorca,

Spain. Oh, amazing. So yeah, maybe Amsterdam because Michelle Collins is there. Oh my God, Matt, I was talking to it this summer. So you and I are going to go to London and then Mallorca. Spain. Oh, amazing. So, yeah. Maybe Amsterdam, because Michelle Collins is there. Oh, my God. Matt, I was talking to Michelle Collins today. Oh, really?

She's just in Amsterdam now. She has to come back on. Anyway. Oh, my God. I'm going to Amsterdam on Friday. Damn it. For how long? What are you doing?

For, like, five days, we're seeing, like, just a close friend of ours there. Smoking weed. Okay. Smoking that blunt. Smoking smoking that absolute blunt it's legal there yeah honey is it it's sort of less fun now that like it's like legal everywhere yeah i know i remember i when i went there i was like oh my god i'm gonna smoke so much weed like yes like i don't all the time anyway and then i went there years ago and it was like i got way too fucking high so quick and like me uh henry and his brother sam were supposed to go to the anne frank house and so we arrived so stoned at the anne frank house and we were like shaking like

too emotional to go we're like it makes me so anxious like you can't go you can't be so high and then go to the anne frank house you're gonna die I would have had a panic attack in there for sure you know that's the experience that millions upon millions of people have had yes I know I'm just shaking that was such an anxious trip so I would have been absolutely out of my mind but no

I mean it's also the Amsterdam also like such great food it's so beautiful oh my god you're gonna have the best time and speaking of writing Anne Frank I mean amazing authoress amazing authoress she really tore Such great food. It's so beautiful. Oh my god, you're going to have the best time. Speaking of writing and Frank. Amazing authoress. Amazing authoress. She really tore. I'm obsessed with tore and tear.

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that made you say culture was for me? This is a cultural moment in your life in terms of movies, television, theater, Tony's music, something in your immediate cultural experience that made you become Jeremyeremy byler what was that i i think for me it was the movie titanic oh i think i'm it's the 90s i'm like 15 years old and like the idea that like that my personal boyfriend leonardo diaprio would be in a movie that's like about i feel like i've

always kind of also been just like a little bit of a like 45 year old dad who likes history and like so the idea that like this is wait a minute this is like an a bygone era of like glamour and a tale of like high class low class upstairs downstairs and it's on this wreck like this this ship sank it is like so personal to me and it felt like that was my like i had a personal relationship with leo dicaprio but the idea that that was like so so popular and so big and so everywhere. It was, it's actually like, it was like almost confusing to me that like this thing that feels like mine

is everybody's and I had like the double the double VHS. Who could forget? It's like hold it like the weight of a Bible, you know? I remember the Costco drop of the double Vs and just

shelves and shelves of titanic and everyone just like snatching these fucking cassettes it's so that was such a moment like the i'm yeah the release of it all like the imagine what doing press for that was like jesus christ probably two straight years of non-stop titanic press that that that like leo and kate and james cameron were doing like and the whole cast when you have to physically go to places to do yeah and they were they were international like i i can only imagine what that experience was like what that journey was like to the point where like i almost feel like i completely understand both of them like afterwards not being like i'm gonna do the next huge thing like basically they offered kate winslet shakespeare in love on a platter and she was like no i am not

doing it like i am not doing another big thing even if it's like a slam dunk oscar win even if i'm right for it or even i would even want to do it i'm not and leo too did like that weird movie the beach instead of like probably anything else he could have done like well both of them are real actors or like thought that they could be and so they were like let me not continue this grand journey because everything like you just said everything about it was so grand you know yeah it was it was it was strangely meaningful to me can you like go one concentric circle in and and can you pinpoint it to leo specifically or does leo have to go with titanic yeah what's the sense memory you get from talking about like what do you smell it's like a little

bit it's for sure a little bit sexual whatever the sense for sure of course it's like it's like a little bit like okay this yeah this is a feeling I want more of I am Kate Winslet this is happening to me I will like I will run down to the lower decks and like swim through the water and like chop off the like the handcuffs with like the abs

and I am stunning and I will survive but don't you think that like when, when, when Rose was kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the car that you were kissing and licking Jack's fingers in the car and that you could smell the sweat after the handprint,

you know, like a hundred percent, a hundred percent. I was, yeah, I was in that old car. Yeah. And you could kind of hear the creaking of the ship

right and then i but i also feel like i don't know if it's the one thing that i can pinpoint because there's also and this is almost sexual too there's also like i'm really into like machinery and like big things and also like things in history like i truly am i'm like modes of transportation and so like i not only was obsessed with the titanic movie i also had this cd-rom like first person video game like on my power mac that was like going through the titanic so i also knew like the map of the titanic and the floors yeah just something about like the machine and it it was like, it was like, I had an orgasm with Leo and then like double when it's like,

when the, the captain's like engage the reverse engines. It's like, it's like that, that whole thing. I don't know why. I just, it's the, it's the perfect convergence of all your interests,

which is Leo history, machinery, glamor. Yeah. Glamor. Titanic. which is leo history machinery glamour yeah glamour titanic was this container for too many amazing things that people love and nothing will be bigger than it in the culture no never and there will never be a greater director than the great james cameron absolutely and the fact that the fact that his his like most iconic follow-up to Titanic is something

that they had to invent new technology for and there's going to be seven of and it's like just as long and just as crazy and just as like going for it in terms of emotion even though we can all agree like no one will care no one will care as much

but like we will be there like I'll buy a ticket to Avatar 2 through nine for sure but it's just like that the only thing that could top titanic is to like literally leave this world and go to another one and create like another thing because this was maximalism the house down it was i because you talk about like it got little kids or teens at the time to literally learn just the nuts and bolts of how this thing sank i remember having a an explicit understanding of what happened when the iceberg scraped the side how the water filled all those containers how why they were unable to stop it doors yes and it could

only cover five watertight doors but not the six yes and if it goes over the six then she'll break in half yes which she did which she did which she did and also the the i remember like reading up on the decision making that was like essentially those lifeboats were really just for show. There were not enough. Like, they never stood a chance. And, like, the like, egocentrism of, like, you know, what was it? John Jacob Astor. You know, and, like, all of that.

Like, just knowing these names and, like, researching the characters in terms of who they were based on the historical figure. Yeah, in contrast of how they were portrayed, etc. The Victor Garber of it all. I mean, it was just so... You couldn't read or

know enough about it. And I feel like it was also so smart because it existed in that space of like, this is an awful tragedy where you can watch people screaming and praying for their lives and getting die fully hurt die but like far enough away

and far enough gone that it's like entertaining or something or like there's something like it somehow can be also entertaining and you can like eat popcorn during it like it's not like you know what I mean I don't know why like the Titanic just the

Titanic is the only tragedy that like lives in that that's the thing but at the time there were fully survivors like there's no longer any survivors now like they're all gone but at the time of the release like people that had been on that ship were alive but they but they saw the movie as wow like what an incredible thing that like and and we can speak to this experience i feel like that was no one like spoke out against it right i don't know i wonder because remember this is a time when the media was much more controlled by now but by what they wanted the narrative to be so i don't know that everyone felt like that i would actually be hard-pressed to believe

that every single person that was on that ship was like wow what a commemoration and not oh is that what an honor to have Leo do this but I think Jeremy is right though because I mean not to bring this up but like there were a few people who like sent me messages after I did the iceberg on update they were like

that's a little insensitive that's a little insensitive and I'm like okay well I hope those people get on a ship and go and hit the airport well that's a little insensitive that's a little insensitive and i'm like okay well people get on a ship and go and well that's enough but i i like i was just like i think i think with the like that i think you're right it's like it's like we we all ate popcorn and like jerked off to a movie about this you know like i think there's been enough distance from it now and if there is such a thing i don't know i just there's not there's not i mean from it now. And if there is such a thing, I don't know. I just, there's not,

there's not, I mean, tragedy is always tragic. Yeah. And it's a mystery to me. I don't mean to interrupt you. Sorry. I just, no,

no, no, I don't. I was throwing it over to you. I'm like, right. Like, like,

like, like this is what you're saying. I think so. I think just, I don't have the answer, but just somehow Titanic, somehow just that one thing is like in the pop like people are so fascinated with it and it becomes this thing that's like there's probably like a ride

at disney that's like titanic it's like in that kind of space you know what i mean totally um and i don't know why i just know that it is i just i also think something that is so important that we have to say is it is such an important choice to have her hair be red it is such an important shade of hair color because it is i think she's the only person on that ship besides her mother who has that color hair right like like she is the beauty of the ship she's she's literally her name is literally rose and she's got red hair like even that is just so funny like i find that incredibly genius i find it incredibly genius and the script is so the mind the mind of james cameron oh yeah but that's another thing too is like you almost have to hand it to the script like because we all watch it and we're like lol

this script is so bad like hello like the fact that she's gonna be the one that's like yes i noticed that there aren't enough lifeboats no rose the ship is unsinkable but that is how you speak to everyone by dumbing it down so much it's like yes everyone's gonna get this it's star-crossed lovers he's poor she's rich they fall in love they they find each other they finally vocalize it the ship sinks and it's a tragedy and it's it's it's based in reality it's like yeah and there's a big song you know the arc is the arc is the first time you see her she's in a big fucking hat yep coming out of a car and then the last time you see her she's in rags you know on the ss on the carpathia

looking at the statue of liberty yeah that's that's that's the arc that is the arc for you yes exactly and she's so miserable you know she's just got everything but nothing at the beginning yes oh i love it and you have like the great bill paxton scenes where like he he occupies such a special place in movies where he's always like walking next to a truck explaining something like explaining how it works like and just really you buy it oh yeah paxton rest in peace because he's in another one of my favorite maximalist movies of the 90s twist twister i mean and never forget how helen hunt relates this because i i remember being a little fag watching the oscars that year and thinking it's a titanic is gonna win all the academy awards i can't wait for kate winslet to win her oscar for her portrayal of rose and then

helen hunt walked up there a tv star and takes the oscar for as good as it gets which probably looking back is the performance of the year. Probably. But I remember being so pissed off that that happened to Kate because I had attached her. Yeah. Of course. Were we not devastated that Leo did not show up to the Oscars that year?

Not nominated. Not even nominated. He didn't show up. It was a controversy. It was like really... The beginning of the end for him. And he, of course, he, of course, was a controversy it was like really oh the beginning of the end for him and he he of course he of course was a prior nominee for his um you know portrayal of someone with i with with mentally oh yes he yes i remember that this i this is also and i'm gonna i'm gonna use the word and it's just because this is what everyone was saying at the time. Literally people in the nineties would just be like, and Leonardo DiCaprio's incredibly brave performance as a retarded child.

Like just, they just, the word retarded was being thrown out around so much. Like, so you played a retarded kid in the movie and you were so good as being retarded. So can you talk a little bit about how you've studied to be retarded? He was like,

well, when I tried to be retarded, it was just like, it was just so funny. And you would never do it it now and it's such a relic of the past it's it but the fact that he he clearly wanted it so bad you know for titanic or for gilbert grape for his entire life he has won yeah oh yeah going all the way back to his true youth when he did truly something that you would never do now which is the most oscar bait thing in gilbert grape to like play a mentally handicapped person which we allowed and allowed

and allowed and it never stopped until he finally got his oscar like the lengths he would go to to get one so of course he didn't show up this is this is obviously always been so paramount to him i never put that together oh yeah he's wanted it so bad for so long no really i don't yeah that's yeah i think you're right yeah and i think i think we can print that yeah oh no it's printed what it's actually rule of culture number 17 leonardo dicaprio he's wanted it so bad for so long it's printed I think I could spend hours talking about Titanic truly there's also so many iconic scenes

that are only iconic to gay people such as the scene where Rose's mother puts her in the corset you know the lines our choices are never easy. You know the money's gone. Of course I know. And then she goes, of course I know the money's gone.

Yeah. You want me to go back to being a seamstress? You'd see me working as a seamstress. This is the most iconic couplet. You would see me working as a seamstress. You would see me working as a seamstress. Here it is. Why are you being. You would see me working. You would see me working. Here it is. Why are you being so selfish?

I'm selfish. Amazing. The whole scene is absolutely epic. I mean, it's just it's just I can't. And Frances Fisher is her name of the mother. And she never got the credit. No, never got the credit. And she was got the credit. No. Never got the credit. And she was in an amazing episode of Grey's Anatomy during season two.

Amazing two episodes of Grey's Anatomy in season two. Who was she in Grey's in season two? What was her role? Remember, there was a story at the end of the season where a family of hillbillies got hit by a truck. And the pregnant mother was dying and they had to save the baby but Francis was so fucking good at it

that is a performance that that she says lost to the winds she treasures lost to the winds I mean she did she did she served the evil she like the evil like she served

the fucking story yeah well i just want to say billy zane like can we talk about billy zane what jeremy what's your billy zane moment i for some i like when he was on in the movie i'd be like okay i'm looking like next next you were not i don don't know I was not I was not I was like I think I didn't both didn't like the character but then I also something was like I don't want to watch this man I don't know why because he wasn't Leo

because he wasn't Leo thank you that's exactly probably right he also slaps her yes and people forget that he slaps her across the face and screams in her face. Flips the table. He flips the table.

A tray or something. And it pretends he's the father of a child. Well, we have to watch her to get out. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, that's right.

Terrible guy. Also, at the end, at the end, the stock market crash and he put a, he put a bullet in his mouth. He put a, he put a pistol in his mouth. He put a pistol in his mouth. Like you find that at the end.

Also like her performance, the old woman's performance. Gloria. Gloria Stewart. An Academy Award nominee for sitting in a chair and being like, wow. Did we?

Yeah. Iconic. I mean, wow. Titanic even. At one point, I think it was at, so now i don't remember we never wrote it but it was we had a sketch idea for you know how like the um the like the court the string quartet keeps playing yes like the as the boat goes down it was like that you're on the titanic

and it's sinking and it happens and then you pan over and there's like an improv troupe that's gonna keep bringing problems take a suggestion there is so like i'm actually not surprised like it's funny that bowen's iceberg thing popped off so much on snl i also was doing a titanic themed bit for years and my it's actually still in my stand-up every now and then i feel a little self-conscious doing it now because i feel like people are going to be like oh yeah here he is doing a good Titanic thing even after Bowen did the iceberg but I've been doing this for years I will say about the iceberg there's no way it wasn't

not that there's no way but it's like it popped off because it's Titanic because people are obsessed we know that right the song is so funny and you're so good to it but also because of you like 100% because of you because of what you made i mean it's fucking genius there is something about being a gay person who like is obsessed with this like that you can't help but think of like sketch situations around it like i remember i i had written a bunch of titanic themed sketches in

college when i was in hammercats with sudi and then in my stand-up i do like like a gay guy who was like convinced to go to on the titanic with his like gay friends for their cruise trip and he wanted so badly to be on the mauritania because it had better nightlife and enough lifeboats and there weren't going to be kids and now here they are sinking and like he's so pissed off that he's so cold even though he said this was not the boat better nightlife and like he's just so pissed off because like the violinists are playing and you can't even dance to this music it's so it's so fucked up, he's just so pissed off because like the violinists are playing and you can't even dance to this music. It's so it's so fucked up.

And he's just mad at his gay friends. But I remember like being on like a like a gay trip. Like it was like a Palm Springs trip or whatever. And like those little squabbles that pop up a hashtag Fire Island and thinking like, what about a group of gays that were on the Titanic together thinking it would be fun? And it's just like, like they tried to save money by being in third class. And now they're like gonna absolutely sink and like fucking why Leo didn't even talk to them

there had to be one gay group on the Titanic oh 100% the gays on the Titanic were so fucking pissed poor guys like Oscar Wilde and Bozie Douglas okay he said he's a history buff. Okay.

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we we're gonna figure out if his last name was deathless or not but in the meantime we're gonna do i don't think so honey and this is our sort of iconic segment jeremy um where we sort of pop off for one minute and you've done it. You've done a live show. I've seen you twirl. We do 60 seconds of something. I can't believe I get to witness the two of you doing this right now and see your faces. Oh, it's incredibly privileged.

Sorry, go ahead. Prepare to be disappointed. Okay, so, I have one. Do you want to go first today because i think i need a second yeah i have one i have one wait has be real popped off no okay there's been no be real there's been no be real that's okay thank god okay thank god um but i was really nervous there because i've been so engaged in the conversation i almost forgot to be me too i was being real here yeah

we were too busy being real here to be real over there and sometimes that's gonna happen with the app do you have be real do you have be real jeremy no in fact i um i truly didn't know what the fuck you were talking about and i as we were talking beforehand i googled it and i look at it now and i uh or i'm seeing i'm looking at it like literally as we speak and are you not intrigued this is not for me it's not for not for you. I think it's for everyone because it actually solves so many problems that are so disgusting about social media, about Instagram

specifically, where it feels too It's a brochure, yes. It's a brochure. And so Be Real is just like, you see how everyone is just as boring as you are. I'm going to get on it. I'm going to eat my words actually and get on it i'm jeremy i think i think i definitely am intrigued i don't want to pressure you but i think you and jason would really like it like control over my image is like very very uh scary to me i get i understand but it's also authentic with people

it's not like i'm not interested in that okay okay then maybe it isn't for you but i think i think it could be liberating. Like I found it very liberating and it's lovely. And so you thought like you follow people and they follow you. And then. And it's so, so what it does is. What happens?

So every, there's a, there's a time, a random time that every single day where it goes, you have two minutes to post your be real. And it's a front facing camera shot and a rear facing camera shot and so and so you just wherever you are it's so nice to and you

everyone was looking to feed the same time of each other's be reals it's people walking down the street or cooking or just sitting around their house it's just it's just it's real that's actually that's actually kind of genius it's so genius you're gonna love the way you look I guarantee it okay this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so honey It's so genius. You're going to love the way you look. I guarantee it.

This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, us not getting to see Darcy and Perry fuck, and I love that for you. You just see them make out and kiss and that's it. I wanted to see these two hot. My friend is hot. John O. Wilson is hot.

White men. Fuck. Why can't you give that to us? I wanted to see that. And then you get Matt Rodgers taping up a box with a smile on his face in the next scene. No. Show me skin flapping on skin. I want sweat. I want these two men to work with an intimacy coordinator and have a good time and respect each other's boundaries.

And John O. Wilson, I met him very briefly at a screening once. He was so lovely. I just want more John O. Wilson screen time in addition to more Matt Rogers screen time. I can't wait to see how this story ends up. I can't wait to see where this story ends.

Give us more gay sex scenes in TV. It's show time come on mr hunter parishes ass every season on fucking weeds and that's one minute i have to agree oh my god me too me honestly but my my dream for season two is just it opens on uh perry and darcy fuck fucking just, just body parts fucking for an unbroken five minute shot. Have Beth in there, why not? If it's like,

oh, we can't have two guys, we can't have anal, then have one of Aiden's tits. We can't have anal. We can't have anal. It's actually in my contract. It's actually in my Showtime contract that I have to show my ass if you ask, okay? So I'm just saying. It's a in my contract. That is not allowed. It's actually in my Showtime contract that I have to show my ass if you ask. Okay?

So I'm just saying. Oh. Is it real? Yeah. I spoke with my lawyer about it. They were like, you have to show your ass. It's Showtime.

And I was like, I'm good with it. But listen. There you go. I have many hopes and dreams for season two. What's weird is that's in my contract too is the right thing to do. I remember reading in the script that that was going to happen.

And we, we like, we're going to shoot it. And I remember coming to you and I think I remember, do you remember this? I asked you, I was like, so do you think that they fuck in this product closet?

And then you were like, I think that they do like everything, but fucking, I think that like, they don't fuck explicitly, but like, I think they have a good time. fucking. I think that like they don't fuck explicitly, but like I think they have a good time. And I was like, okay, cool.

And I just have to like fill in the blanks for myself. Like what happened? And I had a fun time doing that. I like, I pictured it that it was like, that it's like that moment where you finally, which I definitely like in college had with somebody in a stairwell or something where you're like, we are going to go there. And this is not the place right now,

but like, this is hot. TBD. What's John's background? Did you, was he like, is he a comedy guy? Did he do.

Groundlings. Yeah. Oh, he's groundlings. Oh, great. He's a fucking genius. He really is so funny. And he's, he's so, he's just great at the character and he's really defined yeah he really is so funny and he's he's so he's just great at the

character and he's great energy to the point where like i remember like we shot a scene earlier in the season where it was just like get me getting like a video testimonial for him for molly's character's like anniversary oh yeah i remember we went back and forth a couple times and like i did have a little bit of butterflies in my stomach because I do think he's so funny and handsome and I walked away and Jessie Klein came over to me and she was like I think there was a little bit of chemistry there and I was like do you think and then I didn't think about it

until the end of the season and then I truly like had such a friend crush on him I loved him so much and then I read in the script that it was going to happen and I remember my stomach went to my feet because I was like, Oh my God. Oh no.

I hope he's like cool with this. I hope he doesn't like mind. Like, cause he's a straight guy. You know, I've never, I've never done it. And he was like,

no fucking way. I'd never done an onscreen kiss before. And he was my first onscreen kiss. And so I was just like, Oh my God. Like I was so nervous. I was so nervous. I was really nervous.

Matt, it's so funny. It's so fucking funny. It's just, it's so funny. I love it too. Well, that's my I don't think so. Matt, do you have one? Yeah, sure. Okay.

This is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Top Gun Maverick, mama. I really tried. I really tried super hard for this. Honestly, I don't think so honey top gun maverick mama i i i really tried i really tried super hard for this honestly i don't i think it takes a really long time to get good and like once it gets good it is good and i am standing but the thing is like i don't think so honey the fact that they had like this like beach volleyball scene that they tried to recreate with like a beach football scene and it wasn't nearly gay enough the thing that's so good about top gun is you have that insane scene of them playing beach volleyball and they're greased up

and the men are so fucking hot and the camera lingers on their body and it feels homoerotic was this i don't think so honey and i don't know if it's because now tom cruise is all in his head about being called gay like so many years later and he wasn't in his head about it then but the fact is like this the cuts were so short and sharp and you didn't in his head about it then but the fact is like this the cuts were so short and sharp and you didn't get to linger on the hottest men in america jay ellis glenn powell miles teller and you're gonna float away from them no i don't think so honey i needed more i needed more i needed more of jennifer connelly like with her perfect hair after a sailboating i needed more it wasn't gay enough for me i don't think so honey and that's the minute

because the thing about top gun is it's like it's like a gay homoerotic movie on top of being for straight right and that's what brought everyone together to to enjoy it as monoculture and i just feel like the thing that was missing was like i was watching it the whole time waiting for the climax and then in the process of watching and i'm like where's the gay shit you know what i mean and like just having a lady gaga score in the background is not enough like i wanted more visceral homoerotic shit that is what brings me to top gun and and as a result top gun maverick and i feel like they chickened out of it yeah you have a good you have a decent point yeah i agree but i loved the movie yes you loved it i did yes what did you like about it i love i

just love tom cruise i love tom cruise i think he's a perfect movie star um he's got so much going on he makes the the most simple like ridiculous little things feel so high stakes yeah like one minute it's it's and he the way he listens and he's sort of like clenching his jaw when he's listening and you see the little like muscles in the side of his face.

He's just so, so in the world of make-believe that you're like, you can't help but only believe the reality that he's presenting to you.

There's no way to look away from it. Totally. I think the last great Tom Cruise movie I saw was unfortunately Edge of Tomorrow and that was like ages ago. Well, that's fantastic. It's a fantastic movie. the last great Tom Cruise movie I saw was, unfortunately, Edge of Tomorrow, and that was, like, ages ago.

Well, that's fantastic. It's a fantastic movie. The thing about Tom Cruise is he is a great actor, and you actually, as an actor, can learn a lot from watching him. Yes. Because he is so crazy that he is, like, an active listener, and everything feels very watchable when he's on screen because he is so in it. My problem is not with him. And I understand that the gayness. I understand that in dragging Top Gun Maverick, you

sort of do drag Tom Cruise because he is so involved in the fabric of making it like it's everything is always a Tom Cruise production, etc. But for me, it's just like I feel the movie shied away from one of the elements that whether they want to admit it or not made it really great. Yeah.

And you want to see Jay Ellis greased up, like kind of wrestling with Glenn or something. And also too many characters, like just too many characters that I didn't care about. Like Jay Ellis's character at all. I didn't really. When Glenn Powell, like spoiler alert, 15 seconds, 15 seconds. When Glennell comes in like saves the day at the end like i get that he and miles teller like had like a like a like a rivalry that sort of mirrors the one that val kilmer had with tom earlier but like it wasn't

lived in enough like i didn't feel the stakes of it i also really don't like and this should have been in the i don't think so honey but i don't like what they did with the meg ryan character like she dies off screen they barely mention. And I feel that it was giving sexism that they didn't have her back. And also, what happened to Kelly McGillis? What happened to her character? I know she wasn't asked either. They just moved on with Jennifer Connelly, who's I guess character's name is mentioned in the original, but that's not really enough for me. I wanted a little bit more connection to the original for the gays and for the women who also enjoy top gun this movie was aggressively hetero in a way that i feel was like hetero drag

fun maximalism but the grandeur of the homoeroticism i was missing and i thought that they could have made that gesture that's it would have been amazing if like when john ham walks up to him on the beach he's like we have like one week left for training what are you out here playing football what are you doing he's like you wanted a team there's your team you just cut to them and it's just full orgy just yeah exactly oh that's fun yeah exactly that could have been great thank you for that so it is time for jeremy byler's I don't think so honey are you ready sir okay I'm ready okay Jeremy Byler's

I don't think so honey his time it starts now I don't think so honey QR code menus okay and this is a phenomenon that has made it to Europe I think we have all agreed you cannot catch COVID from a piece of paper.

Thank you. Hand me a piece of paper. I don't want to click through to the cocktails and then click back to the appetizers. Can I please order a burrata or a pear salad or like an avocado toast without having to use face ID. And by the way, classist, okay? Ageist, okay? My parents don't know how to use a QR code. Not everybody is on the fucking Tim Cook T,

like slapping their thumbs on a little rectangle of glass all day like a fucking T-Rex. I just want a warm glow i want to be with my friends my husband's fellowshipping i don't want blue light this is not a blue light place i don't think so honey and that's thank you so much and you know what that was topical timely and truthful thank you well there's a real anger within me i know all you want is your husband in fellowship is that what you said gorgeous fellowshipping friends you know

and is there anything more relatable than a complaint about a restaurant absolutely we all understand that this has been but here's the thing you are so correct you can't get COVID from it but now it's like you know what's going on it's like oh wow we've really like reduced the like weight wasting of paper the footprint and now i don't think we

will ever go back i think that's one of those things that with covid has changed forever i really do is it also the restaurants is it restaurants being like oh this is just easier like we don't have to do anything we just like tape this to the table and then we put it online and like whatever like it's i guess it's more tedious to have the menus but it does for me it takes away from the service aspect a little bit i'm like oh i want i want to be like i want for someone to reach over me and hand me something or take something away and hand me a thing that's been that's been printed in my house yes it is just it's a lot to negotiate like like the scrolling back and forth between, like, brunch, lunch, dinner, drinks. It's like, you want it all in one spot.

Of course, it's nice to be able to, like, check your email while you're ordering. But, you know, it's... Yeah. I've been trying to, like, notice when I have, like, little feelings, like, deep within. And when I pull out, you know, when I pull out and take the QR code, it's like, there's something happening. Something happens. Right. And you let that out. I'm so take the qr code it's like there's something happening something happens right and you let that out i'm so glad and i don't know thank you for thank you for affording me the opportunity i hope that restaurants hear this restaurant managers hear this i think a lot of people in the industry listen to this uh podcast and i what i want is

i want people to start unionizing shaking things up at their restaurant i want servers bus boys barbacks you guys are the backbone of these restaurants. So it's your voice that matters. During the Ness staff meeting, let's say something. Let's say something. Let's make this bottom up, okay? Let's make this bottom up. Not top down. Top down, bottom

up. This has been a top down, bottom up. Absolutely fantastic episode of Las Culturistas. Jeremy. Oh my god. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me here. Jeremy. episode of Las Culturistas. Jeremy. Oh my god. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me here. Jeremy. It was a lot of fun. The best. We're thrilled. I feel like I got called to the

fun person table. Like, I really feel... Was it fun? It was really fun. Do you guys not have fun anymore doing these? No, we always have fun. But you're in Spain while your husband is like in the yard. Like that sounds like more fun to me.

Yeah, it sounds like. Well, but here's the thing. We're parked for like a long for like weeks. I'm like, I'm having all my long days reading my books. Now is my moment to like connect with the real world and see people that I love. And this was actually perfect. And now I'm going to go and have a Rio. Oh my God. I want a Rio.

So bad. Oh my God. A Rio with your gorgeous husband. Oh God. In Spain. What the aspirational life. Um, well,

we love you so much. And the, the season finale of, I love that for you is airing this weekend. You can stream it on Friday and then forever. And you can watch it when it airs linear on Sunday at 830 on Showtime but this has been great

thank you motherfucker and we end every episode with a song near far wherever you are I believe that I will go on.

To listen to the rest of that, you can get the VHS tape of Titanic away in your parents' closet somewhere and sort of fast forward to the end of the second cassette and wait for the credits bye bye i'm nk and this is basket case what is wrong with me a show about the ways that mental illness is shaped by not just biology swaps of different meds but by culture and society by looking closely at the conditions that cause mental distress, I find out why so many of us are struggling to feel sane, what we can do about it, and why we should care. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app,

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