Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Find Vegas Incredible" (w/ Brian Jordan Alvarez)

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

It is believed to be Cece Penniston who once said "Finally!". And she would say the same thing once she saw that Matt & Bowen are joined this week by the one and only Brian Jordan Alvarez! The three gay male actors discuss how it felt being part of the Openly Sobbing Community at the Adele Las Vegas residency, Vegas at large (they're pro), astrologically and astroNOMICALLY bad weeks, the concept of "upstate", Rat Race, Prometheus, Pedro Almodovar and Penelope Cruz, the golden age of soap operas and how Real Housewives fills that cultural niche, Selling Sunset and how Chrishell Stause is all of us, navigating a black diamond while skiing, having your star moments as a little gay boy, and Miami/Will Smith culture. Also, M3GAN, Allison Williams, and Allison Williams dealing with Drew Barrymore as M3GAN. All this, prank and fail culture, Larsa Pippen's unhinged Miami reunion performance thus far, and Lydia Tár as real person and fictional female phenomenon. Brian is one of the brightest and RIGHTEST, and you can stream M3GAN now on Peacock (as well as Tár).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there wow is that culture yes ding dong las culturistas calling wow you are fresh from the fight as we say i want to be just honest transparent and just show up in my truth and say that i did not sleep last night from i i saw adele in vegas and my flight was at 8 35 in the morning and so it was the the energy was so high and kinetic and uplifting it bowen that i said I'm not going to bed and I didn't. Was it the right choice?

How could you find out? You won't regret this. Maybe you regret it now, but in 48 hours, you will not, will not regret. Well, let me just say one thing to you.

This was, and it's like, yeah. Okay. Breaking news. Fag sees Adele says it was best show ever it really was hmm it sucks that you have to sort of qualify it like that because it really is meaningful that fags saw adele and yet we're at a point in the culture now where fagsaw Adele is losing its meaning and so for my best friend to say fagsaw Adele and

it makes me sad that you have to sort of like get ahead of it like that it was such a given that it was going to be what it was for me but when I tell you I joined up with thousands of people in the openly sobbing community and everyone in the openly sobbing lately community got together last night to openly sob for two hours while this woman sang and it was truly it was like at a certain point you have to laugh because you're like oh yeah like isn't it gonna be funny when she sings take it all like isn't that gonna be funny what's gonna happen to us she's saying take it all bowen not only does she sing take it all she executed take it all she she put us through take oh my god i can't i can't think about take it all uh or i'll cry you think i can think about take it all what about you thinks i can think about take it all and then i am sorry i

don't know cut too and i want to say because podcasts are not a visual medium i would describe the way i look right now like fags like i got punched in the head repeatedly by music punched in the head repeatedly by music facts how adele's a hate crime in nevada and that's a real culture that's real culture number 20 facts how adele's a hate crime in nevada take it all first of all i'm just kind of stuck on this one number this was so fucking good and i just cried and cried and cried because you know what whatever it's common knowledge amongst people that listen to this podcast i genuinely feel like maybe that was a cathartic final thing for me in breakup era yeah but like wow i mean just unbelievable the amount of emotion she knows she's putting you

through too she says at the top she's like hey so sorry y'all are about to get fucked up and she just says it everyone looks at each other like and the openly sobbing community was thriving last night it was so glad so unbelievable bowen it was so unbelievable i haven't been part of osc for a long time i have not openly sobbed i've sobbed in the past week, but not openly. I've sobbed in front of my therapist on Zoom. We sobbed on the phone. We sobbed on the phone.

I sobbed on patient portal sessions is what I sobbed. Oh, wow. Oh, no. Oh, God. Thursday was a bad day. We don't have to get into it. Don't I know it, honey.

But didn't Channing Nicholas say, and you and I checked in about this, Channing Nicholas said- Say that. It is a sharp, jagged cliff of a week. You're not going to want to dive into the ocean when you know there are sharp rocks in the water. So tread lightly, literally just carefully walk through the week because there are going to be hazards. And indeed there were, and you and I might have even touched a sharp point on our own paths. Do you know what I'm saying? I think you and I needed to have Thursday.

Because Thursday was, I'm going to say Thursday of last week, if you're listening to this on Wednesday, was one of the worst days ever. I'm so sorry. And Channing Nicholas confirmed that that was astrologically, written in the stars, Aida, one of the worst weeks anyone could ever have. And when I said that to my sister

and checked in with people about it, they were like, we are all feeling it. Yeah. And literally everyone, everyone literally went through it. Talking to Ego last night, Alex. Our guest, he better have had a terrible week. I'm sure that our guest had a fucking awful week.

Let's check in with him about this in a second. I am so excited our guest is here. Our guest is one of those people I think he was always someone that like you and I looked up to still do. I mean every time he posts something and I hate that I'm like verbalizing

posts in a way that like just the word post on a linguistic level does not match like the act of posting post i think that you're right post is reserved for the mail ultimately though i'm very happy about post because when our guest does post oh dame to post i would say incredibly gifted funny hilarious young man and i would also say you know it's not an apology to the readers but it is a recognition that there is a community so there's the openly sobbing community and then there's a large community of people in our fan community the readers who are actually actively angry and upset that this has taken this long i agree with

them i see you i hear you and we've rectified it this is an incredible moment bowen our guest recently was in the film megan and i have something to say about the way that the fates had it with his character and megan and i want to run something by him. But first of all, that was the film of the year. Film of the year. You know him from Will and Grace. You know him from, oh my God,

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There's the wife. There's Marnie T. There's just this universe of characters who you must intimately get to know if you haven't already. We're very lucky women. We're very lucky women this week. And let's check in with him and see if he had a terrible week. Why don't we? Okay. So everyone, please welcome into your ears brian jordan alvarez

oh my god that was the best that was the best introduction that was the most flattering introduction i've ever heard deserved deserved thank. Deserved. Thank you, guys. You guys are the best. Wow. How was your last week? You know, I think it was bad. It was bad. I'm trying to... When you guys were saying that, I was like, oh my god, they're so right. And then I was trying to

remember if it was... Oh, no, no. Yeah, I fell completely ill. I had a horrible stomach flu. Oh, no. I recovered Yeah, I fell completely ill. I had a horrible stomach flu. Oh, no. I recovered and then I just went and took some time in nature yesterday and the earlier part of today

and then I just came back to the city and I was so mad. I'm in New York right now for work and I was so mad to come back into Manhattan. I had to drop my brother-in-law lent me his car so I had to drop my brother-in-law. Let me his car. So I had to drop his car off in like Soho. And I accidentally went in.

I was trying to make a turn in Soho. I was in Soho and I was trying to make a turn and I was almost there. And I accidentally went into the Holland tunnel and I had to go over all the way to Jersey City. To Jersey? All the way back. Yeah. What a nightmare it has been a wild week it really is

in the stars it was beyond us and how did you guys experience it but you ended it in this incredible way at the Adele concert I have to tell you like I really I can't and it's like it's so stupid to be like guys see Adele

you know what i mean i know well she needs somebody kind of like backing her up yeah yeah she does she's saying like go to this show you know yeah she needs me out here pushing it like this is an ad for weekends with adele no it was just that thing of like it was a place where people came to literally just at one point i just turned around and i was you can see my face right now i am swollen i turned around i made eye contact babe i i turned around i made eye contact with a woman who maybe was in her 50s and she just looked at me we looked we made eye contact for about three solid seconds she nodded like and she was just like yeah me too

like turning tables is also doing it to me right now so she's like absolutely yeah and i think i reached out and grabbed her hand and then like yeah it was i mean i feel closer with the friends that i went with i went with my friends reed cliff and gus like we we were i have to thank the universe i mean if there's anyone to see live. If there's anyone to see live. For sure. I mean, it's got to be basically the best voice in the world right now, right? Is there another? And Bowen, you were

right there when she did it because she came to SNL and hosted and sang and was messing around and fucking around and Bowen got to stand right there. Yeah, that was fun. She was just riffing. She was just riffing. It was fun. How was nature? What did you do? Did you go on little walks, hikes? I

did a little bit. I more just sat in the... I went to Woodstock, New York. Have you guys ever been there? Oh, we've heard of that one. I think I typed upstate New York into Airbnb. This isn't my longest stay. Is that even upstate? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly yeah yeah okay that is upstate yeah for sure is anything north of the city upset like when do you start i think once you're on

taconic once you're on the taconic state parkway you're officially upstate baby and i will not do that again you were there alone i was there alone yeah i stayed like in sort of a cabin by myself and i was slightly worried that i was gonna be murdered but it's too scary it's too scary nice i know i was like oh i should have just stayed in a hotel why did i she was like a house with glass doors on all the you know that's fine I slept the light on. Yeah. It's incredibly dark, too. It gets really dark. I know. I know, yeah.

You said this is your longest time in the city? So, yeah. I have an interesting history with New York because I was born here and I lived here until I was four because my dad used to run the Roosevelt Island Tramway. Do you guys know that tramway? Yes. It's like a cable car that goes up to Roosevelt Island. Yes, of course. He used to run it? Island tramway. Do you guys know that tramway? Yes. Like a cable car that goes.

Yes, of course. He used to run it. He was the king of that. He was the king. Yeah, that is a country. And he was the king. Yeah. He like managed that for many years.

But then we moved to like rural Tennessee. And basically, I've been sort of an L.A. actor in my adulthood. So I haven't done the new york thing but now i'm here writing um and so it's it's cool to sort of be in the city and have a job in the city and feel like a real city girl but but then you like everyone in the city feel like you have to get out of the city and so i've had to get out of the city yeah you know it's so much city in every direction it's like everything everywhere all once and then you really do become that person who googles upstate new york yeah because but

the thing about upstate new york and the thing about that and i'm guessing it did work for you you know what i mean you went out and got into nature it did except i was mad having to come back but yeah i it actually worked shockingly well. I was there last night. I was like, this is corny how much better I feel instantly and how I am kind of ready to go back to the city, you know, almost. It was your, I went to Adele and actually cried. Get this.

You know what I mean? It was, I went upstate and it worked. Nature actually was healing. Where did you see Adele? Vegas? Vegas, Nevada. At Caesars. How many nights did you spend in vegas two because you can't do more than that i find vegas incredible i feel so corny for loving it as much as i do title of app i find vegas incredible what's not great about it's so fun it's just like, God, I guess it is.

It's sort of billed as an adult playground. And everything is so insane. I mean, especially Caesar's Palace. It's so big. You're like, how big is this? You're just walking in it for like miles. You're like, that's still Caesar's Palace. And that building is Caesar's Palace.

And they have the Statue of David, I think, in there. A fake one. That's right. I feel like we grew up on Ocean's Eleven and we grew up on Rat Race and we grew up on, like, important Vegas films. Yeah, yeah. Important Vegas films like Rat Race.

I think Rat Race is an excellent piece of art. I never got that into Rat Race. I think Rat Race is an excellent piece of art. I never got that into Rat Race. It's fine. I watched Ocean's Eleven, I think, a few times. Rat Race is supposed to be incredible, though, right? No, it's not. I have not watched it since

2004 or something. Rat Race is one of those movies where you see the trailer for it. I remember being a kid and seeing the trailer for Rat Race is one of those movies where it's like, you see the trailer for it. I remember being a kid and seeing the trailer for Rat Race and it was like, you know,

Whoopi Goldberg and like so many people, like I literally, I could not name any more people in the cast, but I remember being a kid seeing that ensemble cast and being like,

I know that that is one of the greatest films ever made. And I know. And then I remember like the movie came out and it got like a shady review and like my local paper i was like huh that's gotta be wrong that movie looks unbelievable cut to

years and years you're like i've been tracking this project and i thought it was gonna be great i know for a fact that because of my of my cursory viewing of the trailer as a child that's one of the greatest films and i i feel personally attacked to read and in my local paper news day long island's own news day that there was a two-star rating absolutely not wait matt so you never saw it either no no no there's an amazing kathy bates it was badly reviewed it was badly oh my god no but bowen this is this is a thing people love that movie i think my friend stephanie that movie. I think my boyfriend loves that movie. I think it's like, it has a real cult following.

Yeah. A cult following. Exactly. It's not quite cult. It's more like an MLM following. It's definitely trying to make you do something else. It's trying to get you to watch some other. Your boyfriend loves it?

So then why haven't you seen it? Maybe. I don't know. Because you don't love him. So yeah. That is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. You need to go to weekends with the dogs. I'm writing this down. He's writing down C-Rat Race.

Race. Respect my lover. C-Rat Race man are you missing la do you hate new york over la finally i know i was so new york i was so into new york for i've been here two months already and i've been very vocally in favor of it i've been like oh my god walkable city because like my my friend um stephanie has this this is maybe slightly morbid but they it just because it's about um it's like there's a study about alzheimer's that says one of the things that the two things help you avoid it the most

are talking to people and walking walking and new york city just creates these scenarios all the time you're walking and talking. So there is this sort of health, this healthy thing here in the way of life. But then what started to wear on me was just the real concrete jungle. But I think I also just don't know the... And it's winter. I don't know which parks to go to. I've heard there's something called Central Park. No, I'm just kidding.

I haven't gone to Central Park much. It's so cold out. You won't. You don't need to go to Central Park. No, I'm just kidding. I haven't gone to Central Park much. It's so cold out. You won't. You don't need to go to Central Park. And can I say, like... When you do, it's quite lovely. I never regret it. Right, right.

What are you about to say, Matt? Bowen, do you know this about me, though? Like, I lived in New York City for 11 years. I've been to Central Park less than five times. I lived in the city for 11 years, I've been to Central Park less than five times. I lived in the city for 11 years. And I can count literally on one hand the amount of times I've even been there. It's really weird. And I would say that I can say pretty confidently that I've had a full New York experience without having spent a lot of time there.

Interesting. Well, you're about to hit spring. Yeah. It's more of a summer thing anyway. had a full new york experience without having spent a lot of time there yeah interesting well you're about to hit spring yeah it's also it's more of a summer thing anyway too right but there's other these other cooler parks that people i see people at in the summer right i think you're thinking that one where they play a movie up on a big building or something bryant no wait is that bryant park yeah they do that at bryant and then there's prospect park in fort green mccarran is kind of fun even though it's flat and there's not much going on besides like running and soccer i mean no parks parks in new york are quite special and i take that for granted because i feel like it's not quite as prevalent in other parts of the world maybe i don't know maybe like san francisco the one thing

san francisco has going for it now i think is like that mission viejo thing right is that what it's called where you like lay and then you see yeah sort of in the and the gays are running around san francisco gays are obsessed with that part they really they they love to let you know they're at that park yeah they're like hey we're at the iconic park like come visit san francisco it's like me with adele like they're being paid to advertise for it it but wait this is what i wanted to ask you about megan before i forget okay so megan incredible when you also i i saw megan with friends and my friend afterward he was like it's it's definitely a cult it's a cult hit i was like it's not a cult hit it's a huge movie it made money yeah made money okay and we can say this like being gay and enjoying a movie does not make something called and that's actually

number 30 being gay and enjoying something does not make something called yeah you were gay and liked something so speaking of being gay and in the movie you get the script you're like you're doing it and then you realize you're not going to die in the movie and here's my thing it's like i thought if i was you in the movie i would want to get killed by megan and i kind of was like brian it feels like this character is getting absolutely fucked up by megan and i'm thrilled that you survived because then you can be Megan to Megan's whatever's going to happen with Megan

going forward and thrilled for that but what percentage of you is like disappointed that you didn't get to get fucked up by Megan when you did get fucked up by Megan well no I do get fucked up by her you really do

there's definitely some violence that she Well, no, I do get fucked up by her. She's well, I don't know. You really do. Spoilers. But she she there's definitely some violence that she inflicts upon me. But I'm glad she didn't kill me because I do want to I want to live on to battle her further to sort of engage with her. She's working. She's powerful. She's such a woman in business these days. Yeah.

Did you see she's in the new Marc Jacobs campaign? I saw that. No, I'm wrestling with how to feel about it oh and she has a mark jacobs campaign i wish i could show you oh that's genius yeah what's true barrymore's obsession with megan what's that about why is drew like dressing up as her i don't know the clip of Allison Williams on Drew Barrymore well can we just talk about the Drew Barrymore of it all is I was on the show once and she was sitting behind a table

so she couldn't she didn't have the opportunity to do this that woman will get up out of her chair crawl over to her guest get right up in their face it happens a lot it's wild she is everywhere she is on the ground like she is and with that and when she dressed up as megan and got really really really

close to allison i was like at what point are you just like when does it start and end right yeah and she had the i think her contact was like sliding off i was fucked yes yes yeah wait what's allison like we're being so stupid tell us she's the best gay man i love no i love allison the thing about allison is she's so smart and so that part that i think that's why she works so well in that part because she's like she is like an ivy league like a plus plus she's robotics girl she's the real deal genius robotics queen she's a robotics genius exactly well allison williams is a robotics genius that's roller coaster number 44 allison williams is a robotics genius what i love about here is like she is so self-aware about the Allison Williams thing that literally even the character being named

Megan when Allison's there's some scenes in the movie where intrinsically the energy is just like Megan stop stop now Megan off it is so brilliant it's called Megan it's a normal name on some level.

Yeah. No, but Allison was really sweet. She was just so kind to me. And I think my favorite thing was that she found me funny and I found her really funny. And I was like, Allison Williams is so funny. Don't we love that?

That is the highest compliment. But no, how could she not? Oh, thank you. Yeah, you really are a fucking icon, boo. Thank you so much much you guys are obviously stars of stage and screen no no no no but it's an event anytime something goes up it's an event in the group chat for us oh we're no it really is where someone's like oh tj mac wife is back does she have a name his wife is back she doesn't have a name you guys can name her

if you want no no no absolutely not i'm saying so many names in my head right now and nothing feels right is her name rita rita i she almost said roberta wait oh and that's so funny that you said rita because i was living in robertaland robert wait brian you were gonna say something i said jessica but i'm wrong'm wrong. How can you be wrong? You are the creator. Are you just going into a flow state when you do that? Definitely, yeah. And I need to be doing it more because I'm here.

I'm very consumed by... We're writing this TV show right now for FX. It's very exciting and amazing. But speaking of posting posting as you guys were i am like i'm not posting enough the pressure to post i know it's the disease but it's like i i love posting but for me it comes out of like really sitting in your apartment and scrolling for hours and like you're eating like chicken alfredo and then you just like make a video in like the laziest space you know it's like it's like actually to me it's like the

closest thing i can conceive of to inspired work because it's like it's something i'm doing because i want to write when i want to yes and then posting it right away, which is like, I often think like, oh, if I would put more planning or energy into these videos, they would maybe do better or I could get more numbers or something. But I'm just like, I don't know. It's like the only way I know how to do it is just off the cuff, you know? No, but that's perfect because of course it's the most inspired thing because it's you in your like day-to-day life and your slices of life or whatever that you're like i'm gonna post something i know that sounds like sort of reductive but that's how it feels to me no no that's what it is exactly the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back.

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or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty, founding partner of I heart women's sports. I demand to know the answer to the question that is sort of the centerpiece of lost culture is this I demand. So Brian Jordan alvarez what was the culture that made you say culture was for you because we're talking sort of about how you create and quite frankly post-culture and we want to know what made her her well this question to me what this question means to me yeah like, like dissect it. Well, no. I mean, what comes to mind for me

is Alma Dovar movies, but I don't know if that's a satisfying answer. Oh, I love it. That's a great answer. Yeah. Have you guys ever seen All About My Mother, the one that won the Oscar in 99? Yes, yes.

It's so good. To me, that movie, I've watched it like maybe 100 times. I've also watched Prometheus like 200 times, which I think a lot of people hate. Are you guys, wait, wait,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, and David the robot is very sort of... Yeah. I don't know, maybe gay-coded or something. Fassbender is gay-coded in that. He's definitely serving one way or another. For sure. And also, any movie where Charlize Theron

sort of gets crushed by a big rock is going to be gay culture. Yeah, she's giving a real Madonna energy in that movie. She's really an all-powerful being. Yeah, that movie is such gay culture but that's so funny that you bring that up because i remember thinking really cult it's really it's a cult film cult classic yeah like megan i will never forget like when that movie the trailer for that came out it was very rat race because i was like i know i'm gonna see that

and absolutely love that and nothing about that genre of movie is my thing like i don't like to be scared i do not like science fiction i don't like to be grossed out i don't like aliens i would rather not even talk about whether or not they exist like the ufos of it all like i don't want to participate in that conversation like talking about whether or not they exist no and i'm actually upset right now i don't even want to talk no but when i saw that movie and i saw charlize theron in that movie and what's her name numi rapage um i was like i know i have to participate in this culture and i remember going with like people in in college i think and going to the union square regal and watching

prometheus and it was a tough sit because it is it's scary it's weird it's fucked up yeah but you had to go because ultimately charlie's there and was there sort of like serving madonna and getting crushed by a rock and i'm not gonna not sit for that i'm seated for that and she has like shockingly perfect hair the whole movie and like sometimes the ponytail like you can't you you gotta get to the theater for that wait those are great answers that this is where we caught on your answer like what was the culture that made me say culture was for me yeah prometheus man you gave us all about my mother and we're like oh but let's skip let's let's all about my mother is incredible it is all about my mother

is incredible yeah those so many mothers it's so good from penelope cruz and then she's like 23 or something she's like yeah she looks like an eight you're like is this an angel is this person real you know yeah and her acting is all of the acting in that movie and just like the rich colors. And like, there's, there's something Almodovar does to where the acting is extremely fully good. Like it's at the highest level, but it's also, it's also sort of going mellow drama, but you're buying it fully. It's a,

it's an interesting line to ride because you're never like, Oh, this is feeling fake or cheesy. Instead. You're just like, Oh, this is like acting times 10 you know which is so delicious to watch delicious delicious because even like the mother-son

relationship in the beginning is so convincing that like yeah yeah and like the way he dies is so sorry spoiler like he gets hit by a car or something that's like 10 minutes in yeah yeah yeah i don't think that's a big spoiler it's like the way he dies is so melodramatic because he likes he's like chasing after an actress he's he was gay right that son he had to have been he was like standing an actress that is a great question maybe he is yeah oh yeah he's obsessed with the theater actress with the theater actress i've never picked up on that yeah yeah i've seen the movie so many times you're so right those are the gayest movies of all time

even Talk to Her did you watch Parallel Mothers? you watched Parallel Mothers I didn't see it neither of us did both of you gay men need to get re-run wait who is in Parallel Mothers is it Penelope Boo?

what's the one with antonio banderas that was right before that oh oh oh oh oh that was um the one where he plays like the the fucked up doctor right yeah yeah um the human voice oh no oh you're thinking of the skin i love yes the skin i live in that's what i was gonna live in oh yeah yeah there no there's one where he plays a director just now that was right before but the what's the one that you were talking about that just came on oh parallel mothers well parallel mothers this is just i mean it's very clearly to me like one of the best performances that she is ever given which is like saying

something because she is so unbelievably good like and like she's she gets lost in the conversation but i remember nominated didn't like when she she got the Oscar nomination for Parallel- Yes, she did. And I think she came very close to winning. Wait, for what? For Parallel Mothers. You have to see this movie. If you love Almodovar, you must see this movie.

It is really, really good. And what I love about his movies too is, like you were saying, the colors, the melodrama, the music, it is really for us. Yeah, exactly. It's deeply gay. It's deeply gay. No, but I love melodrama.

It's talking to soap opera in a way that's like... Exactly. But in an artistic way. I mean, I absolutely love it. It's like if soap operas had the time that film has to light and to write and because so much of the soap opera aesthetic is just it's the lighting that day it's the lighting of the camera it's because they have to do it in a day or don't they do multiple episodes in a day or something oh yeah soap actors work hard that is like and so they really do they

really work i mean yeah a passions did you, have we talked about passions on this podcast, Matt? You were a little passions gay? I was a passions gay. That was when we were kids, right? Yeah. That was when we were kids. Yeah, yeah. I had a friend who watched it.

She was always telling me to watch it when I was in elementary school. There were witches. There were little dolls that came to life. It was a crazy motherfucking show. Wow. You are the passion burning inside of me that's beautiful the soaps have been stripped down there's like one there's only one soap left now that's why we have real housewives now is it's filled the space it's like the new soap opera of

our generation oh right and i mean that's literally what andy cohen says anyway he's like you know i think that the reason why this is such a popular thing is because it actually fills a space in the culture that no longer exists with media soap operas being gone. I remember when I was little, my mom was like, my mom was like a lifelong diehard All My Children fan. And Bowen and I have talked about this. Like that being on always. I remember I even got so into it as a kid because the storytelling was so slow. Like I remember they would start on a Monday.

The way that like the episodes were structured was like, they'd have like a two person scene and then you'd return to it like four different times in an episode. And by Friday they were ending that conversation. It was like, it was like you essentially were watching two people have a conversation for a week so that literally like people that were at home watching it could be doing everything else in the world right right but they like really actively watching the show and in fact that i think is why if i really boil

it down why i like The Housewives is because it's the same thing. It's hard to miss anything too. Yeah, you can always sort of cue back in to what's going on. Yes, everything is five episodes longer than it needs to be. I mean, it's like,

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is like, Dorit being like, I think I might bring something up to Garcelle. And then three episodes later, she's like, I brought it up. And then now I'm going to take two episodes

to think about how I feel about it. Wait, do you guys watch Selling Sunset? Did you get into that? Not the new season. Didn't the new one just come out? It was good. Did a brand new one just come out? No, I don't think yet. I mean, one came out maybe a few months ago. Oh, okay, okay. I have not seen the most recent one. It's so good. My thing with Selling Sunset is I don't think yet. I mean, one came out maybe a few months ago. Oh, okay, okay.

I have not seen the most recent one. It's so good. My thing with Selling Sunset is I don't think there's been a new season yet without Christine, and now she's not on the show. Christine Quinn is not on the show anymore, and I'm kind of like, okay, what will that be? Wait, did she quit? She's gone. She's gone.

She's gone. Wait, and they filmed a season without her, but they haven't aired it yet or something? Is that the one? I think so. Wow. Okay, so what's the most recent season that we've all seen? The one where Chrishell is dating one of her twins? Yeah, yeah, that is the most recent season. Okay, then I'm caught up.

Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. My thing with Selling Sunset, Brian, is that I'm convinced that all of those people get a list of words at the beginning of each season. They're like, you can only say these words. Their sentences are so simple. Everything they say is a second grader can understand. It's incredible. That's how The Hills was too.

That's why it's so intoxicating. Absolutely. And if they only have 100 words they can say for two of the words to be these two words, escrow and divina like it's the world i want to live in going forward you know what i mean like that's the conversation i want to have i don't want to have the ufo conversation i want to have conversations about escrow and divina and actually someone that i know saw divina out in life the other day and it was like someone told me they saw Gwyneth Paltrow I was like where like that's that's how I get about like these like housewives and reality

stars it's just like you can't tell me they're not the number one and I'll say this Chrishell she is all of us yeah is all wow she is all of us and I'm gonna be the first to say it I'm a gay man that saw Adele cried and I'm saying that Chrishell Stouse is all of us. And I'm going to be the first to say it. I'm a gay man that saw Adele, cried, and I'm saying that Chrishell Stouse is all of us. And you can go upstate to feel good. She came from a small town or something, right? And also she was a soap actress.

She came out of soaps! It's rule of culture number 70. Chrishell came out of soaps. This is such a profound and definitely accurate theory that reality TV is what has replaced Soaps. And it's also just the extremely beautiful women. It's just like, on Selling Sunset,

they look so incredible. I'm like, I can't believe it. And also, I'm just always like did they sell one house this whole season no that's the really crazy thing did they sell a house at all in the most recent season I don't think they've ever sold a house I don't trust

I think Chris Shell like people were talking about Chris Shell in the last couple months because it did come out that she has only sold six houses the entire time she's been on the show or something like that okay also not really those are major houses it's not good is it not maybe yeah but if each commission is 300 grand and she's selling one everyone's yeah she's okay and she's getting paid from the show too but i feel like there are other people

at oppenheim who like do sell like six a quarter like you know 10 a year or something like i'm making that up maybe but i'm now remembering two other words that they're allowed to say which is um maya our friend's studio always does an impression of maya and her impression of maya is just jason the listing. Jason, the listing. The listing, Jason. Jason. Maya moved back to Miami or something? I'm so sad. She like moved away. Now she's not going to be on the show.

Why would you do that? I don't know. I don't know. She's leaving a massive career. People are moving to Miami. Florida is a growing city. No, that I understand. That is a thing.

I really understand the moving. I was in Miami recently. I was like, this is like a drug. I bet you go off in Miami, huh? I mean, no, I haven't been there that much, but I was just on South Beach and I was like, it's like because also I'm coming from LA where they're like, let's go to the beach. And then you like

sit, you're like on a beach that's like a mile deep and the wind is like blasting you and it's like 65 and then they're like, a beach that's like a mile deep and the wind is like blasting you and it's like 65 and then they're like let's get in the water and it's literally got 40 degree like the pacific is ice cold year round and then you go to miami and it's like small cute beautiful beaches palm trees warm water and let's just say it here right now. Water so clear you could see to the bottom. $100,000 cars. Everybody got them. Everybody got them.

And I know that we don't celebrate Will Smith. But he had a point when he said that. Party in the city where the heat is on. All night on the beach to the break of dawn. Like what? That song was formative for me for sure. Remember when Will Smith's music was just huge? I remember that album.

Was that Millennium? Is that what it's called? Yeah, it was Millennium. I think that was the only big one. Is there another one that I'm missing? That's the one that I go back to. No, you're forgetting just the two of us. And you're also forgetting...

I know all the words to that song. There was never a song that was more important to dance contests and dance routines that children would make than Wild Wild West by Will Smith. Whenever I'd get together with all my girls, I'm talking about Megan. I'm talking about Carly. I'm talking about my sister Chelsea. I'm talking about these are the girls I would get together with. And we would put on Wild Wild West. And there would be a

choreo moment and you know this move would be somehow in it which i'm sort of doing the lasso that would we're doing the lasso oh yeah and also there's the moment where they go like one two three and there's like a gunshot like certainly a lot of hip action there like so much opportunity will smith was huge for the dance contest cousin community huge wait were you in the dance contest now or just your relatives constantly oh you were constantly you know what i've never shared bowen i don't think i've ever told you this oh my god but i became actually very famous at uh a lake resort that my parents not even a lake resort it was like it was called woodlock pines it was dangerously close to upstate New York. It was in Pennsylvania.

It's sort of like for very like middle-class people, like you went like really entertaining, fun activities for the kids. You'd go for a week and you'd go with other families and they had a dance contest, like as one of the activities. And I- This sounds like the part of dirty dancing a little bit it's really similar to dirty dancing especially because what ended up happening was i with my friends christina and megan we choreographed a dance to larger than life by the backstreet boys and we became celebrities so we called ourselves mcm matt christina megan wow and megan is really getting thrown around today but it's powerful um and there's an energy around it but i remember we

were mcm and i was of course the boy so i was like in the middle this is like you know boy band time so my hair was like looking ridiculous and like i'm telling you it had to look so gay too it had to be so gay but my parents and family, like friends were just so in support because what they saw happen was a cultural reset at this lake place. And it was, it was a moment, Bon. I've never told you that. It changed America. It changed America. And I can't believe I'm learning more things about you. I have a question for both of you. Well, I have a question for Matt, which is, would you say that is like one of your first moments of notoriety maybe not fame but like where people like looked at you oh was that the first taste man that's when you knew i have to have more of this you want to know what it was it was 2002

it was the same summer that american idol was coming out and i think i had been like i think my dick had probably moved for a boy you know what what I mean? And I was like, I was getting the sense that something was different. And I was just like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm a star. Hmm. I think one possibility for my life is I could be a star. Actually.

I was like, I think I'm interested in this possibility that I'm actually a star. The way that everyone's treating me to that makes you larger than life. Now, which by the way, now when I hear it, is it trigger? Of course.

But that was a moment for you. One of the first tastes. A hundred percent. Yes. And I would imagine that we all as little gay boys have had that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The first time a crowd like falls for you i think i was four i sang kokomo like at a talent show and everyone thought it was incredible and i was like i am going to be a performer for the rest of yeah this attention is what i need from this day on wow that is beautiful what was yours bone mine was like a christian youth group camp with like all of literally the coolest asian people in denver and we went up to the mountains and it was skit night skit night for some reason someone someone someone wrote into something

into a skit that you know was a took place in the modern day in the present remember if it was my idea or someone else's idea it was me it was me i walked out it was a restaurant and then i walked out as a waiter as austin powers and i did an Austin Powers impression. And I just, I said like, yeah, baby, I think I even said,

I didn't say horny, but I said like, do I make you Randy baby? And that was like, it destroyed, it destroyed. And I, and like,

if I had said horny, it would have been too scandalous, but it was like a bunch of 13 year olds who fucking flipped out that I did Austin Powers so well. And then I was like a King king the rest of that trip. Wow. Yeah. It launched you.

I can see it so clearly in my mind's eye. You as a baby saying, do I make you horny baby? And like going forward. I'm telling you, you should bring that onto Saturday Night Live. You should do Austin Powers on Saturday Night Live. Yeah,

I will. I think Austin Powers would be a really good character for you. I agree. You know what's funny though is if you go watch those well I don't know if you go watch like a video of them but I feel like if we saw you doing that Bowen or you doing that Matt

it would still hit. Because when the crowd knows something is good, they're not kidding. They're like, wait, that's fucking funny. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Can I say something? You're being disrespectful.

It wasn't funny. It was really good dancing. I was being disrespectful. You know what I mean? Like you said, you think it was funny. Honestly, though. Well, I wish and I don't wish this, but it wouldn't it be wonderful to have had it documented and how stupid that it wasn't like come on parents where was richie and trina with the goddamn camera like get get this

because i will say there's nothing more humiliating than like and this has happened to me recently as well not recently but it's happened to me in my life where they dig up the old videos from way back and it's just you earnestly performing or singing. There's a video of me singing Ain't No Mountain High Enough. And if it ever came out, I'd be ruined. It's not, Brian. Yeah, I bet it's really good. No.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Yeah, I bet it's really good. No. I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.

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I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,

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right oh my gosh where did you guys grow up you're along an island matt i am yeah and you go colorado oh wow yeah wait where in colorado aurora where okay there have been many shootings oh yeah yeah is that is that close to glenwood springs have you ever been there um it is not hold on let me i gotta do a quick google let's find it is let's find out no glenwood springs is yes it is up in the mountains um it's past aspen um west if you if you were to keep driving west to utah i love colorado i hear parts of colorado are like hot yeah i was in denver i've been in denver a couple of times recently wait but there's also this thing when you go to have you spent time in denver

bone yeah yeah it aurora is like a suburb of denver but yes yes oh oh okay um there's this thing when you go to denver and you're, I'm going to go skiing. And then you book a spot at Breckenridge or something, or one of the ski resorts. And then you do that drive in and it is the scariest, the most bumper to bumper traffic for like eight hours.

It gets so clogged up that you're like, oh, I should have just stayed in the small town. It's not so accessible to get in and out of the skiers resort. No. Do we think we can do anything about that? Yeah. I think there are flights,

direct flights, not direct flights, but you can connect from Denver to Breckenridge. Or, I mean, the ask is an airport. You can fly into these skiers? There's a very small, tiny, tiny plane. I would do that. Listen, people have done it. People do it all the time there.

But we didn't go until like we just couldn't afford it until like I was in college. Are you good at skiing now? I'm okay at it. You're a skier? Yeah, I'm okay at it. I would say I'm intermediate. Like if I get on a black diamond, I could figure it out. Shut up. I just skied in the... No, no, no, but I would not be good. at it i'm i would say i'm intermediate like if i get on a black diamond i could figure i can shut

out i just skied i skied in the no no but i would not be good no no i i know what you're saying i know exactly what you mean you so you actually can navigate a black diamond like you can really do that to me to me that's like very poorly okay no i mean i would not i wouldn't die but i would go down in a way that most people would think was funny and people would also be like get out of my way i think same but i was just in the the french french no the swiss alps actually and i did i did ski over by the matterhorn and it was really cool i got on a slope i got on a slope that was way too intense and i was i was sort of stopped on it i was saying to this guy like should i do this or should i walk back up and he was like you're in it now go for it and so i i did and i was like oh my god look i'm doing it and then i did like hit something and took a really intense tumble

and like landed down i was wearing a helmet it was yeah yeah yeah gotta gear up it was really cool it was like the mountains are so high that you're you're actually skiing above the clouds like you're on these mountains and you see the clouds like down below because you're so high that you're actually skiing above the clouds. You're on these mountains and you see the clouds down below because you're so high up. Wait, that's incredible. Wow. I think skiing as a concept appeals to me. Very chic. I really feel like it's kind of like if you decided now to pick up a guitar and learn it.

I don't think I could. It's like when you try to learn a new language, but you're too old or something. It's something that I just missed the boat on it. And it's like that with skiing. You've never done it once, Matt? I've never ever once. I actually disagree. You could pick it up.

I really do. It's easier than snowboarding to learn. Which is really weird to me. That does not compute in my brain that skiing would be easier than snowboarding. learn. Which is really weird to me. That does not compute in my brain that skiing would be easier than snowboarding. But then I guess it makes sense. But also, it was funny too because when I was a little kid, all the

video games I would play were all intense like the snowboarding video games. Do you remember SSX Tricky? I used to love that shit. You had the hots for Simon. You always talk about Simon. Oh my god. Yes, I You had the hots for Simon. You always talk about Simon. Oh my god, yes, I did have the hots for Simon. That thing, that very visceral thing

of really wanting to fuck a video game character. Yeah, yeah. That happens, yeah. I've had that a lot in my life. I mean, yeah, a lot of them were beautiful professional athletes turned into video game characters. Was this a real person? No, he was just a video game character game he was computer animated and a play character and a snowboarding video game and i i don't remember who voiced him but i do remember that one of the characters

wasn't voiced by macy gray wow oh my god i remember thinking that was so fucking cool like that macy gray went into the booth and like she that macy gray song was so big when we were growing up that was that song dominate dominate it was such a good size it is such a good song anytime it came on the radio you would freak i know sometimes i look back and i'm just like things would take over in such a massive way that it's like what takes over like that and everything moves like it feels like a little bit faster now you know like when when all-star by smashed mouth was out it was like you would hear it a hundred times a day for like a year and a half or something it was like yeah so crazy longer than that it seems yeah it was like a decades long affair that sounds better

but i think it's especially meaningful now if something really hits because it's people really making a choice to go and then like see it here and engage with it so i feel like not to bring it back to megan but like megan like was a really special thing i think for like these times where it's like oh everyone's talking about the this one thing at the same time and that never happens anymore i agree that was that was part of what was so cool about it was like oh my it sort of felt like the movies are back it was like whoa people are going to the theater over and over again to see this movie and it just yeah it's such a good movie it's so so self-aware. It's so well...

It knows its own joke, but then it also just has a really good plot. And I think what was so cool about Megan, too, was everybody was obsessed with the ad campaign, and it was really well done. But then I think everybody expected the movie to be bad. And then the fact that the movie was just super entertaining

and well-made, I think it was just a shock to people it was like a really great movie you know and so it was sort of one two hit but you're right it was it was cool because it was like oh i don't remember the last time there's been sort of a cultural moment you know around a movie like this it was cool yeah well speaking of projects just before we get into i don't think so honey tell us a little bit about the fx show what can you say you say so obviously i can't share a lot but um what i what i can say is are the facts which is um it is an amazing project i'm extremely excited about with fx we shot the pilot already and um now we are in the process of writing some more of it and it's all very exciting and it's all

looking really great fx has been great to work with the cast is awesome and um and that i believe is is all i should say right now but yeah it's really cool and exciting and it's what i'm here in new york working on so it's like it's been such a dream come true and like i was saying before i got tired of the city a little bit it's so cool to be like brought to new york you know it feels very fancy very chic you know because new york new york when you're like i like i struggle i was a young struggling actor in la in a way that i i do not envy people that had to do that in new york i i feel like it's easier to do that in la but but coming to new york with a job and you know is is like um just feels very like oh my god i'm just you get sort of dropped into being this this cool city person except i don't you know know where any of the

parks are and i don't really know what upstate is but i'm telling you you never have to go to central park oh my god what is this campaign i love that that you're sort of the rep for like anti-central park sentiment look you went out to upstate new york and you got nature and you're fine okay no but that because that's the other thing it's like central park is so big and beautiful but it also it's like actually in the center of so there's like city on all sides so i'm like annoying i'm i'm looking i'm looking for fresh air and if there's city all around it how how fresh can the air be i i don't know oh maybe there's when you actually find out just how fake the park is like the central park is so fake like those rocks are fake that like none of

it's real you know what i'm saying like so fake there's this park in atlanta piedmont park that is also very beautiful and it was designed by the same guy who designed central park and i remember somebody telling me that oh piedmont was olmstead frederick law olmstead or something right but that when somebody told me that that was the first time i realized that parks are even designed because i was so bought into the fact that they were i thought it was like in the forest when i know but it's like it was not even once forest it's fake and it's they put it together what was it before it used to be skyscraper it was naturally occurring skyscrapers no yeah i think it was literally like grassland. I don't think

this fake is as bad as sick. But no, Brian, you should go to Prospect Park. Is Prospect Park in Brooklyn? Prospect Park is in Brooklyn. That's another Olmstead Park. Like really beautiful. And you'll love Fort Greene. You'll love McCarran. A lot of fun, cute, beautiful people go.

I don't know. How long are you going to be in the city for? I'm here for quite a while. I'm here until the end of April. So like another month and a week. Okay, great. It'll warm up. It'll be, it'll be great. That's so cool though,

because I feel like people obviously know you as an amazing performer, but I feel like you wrote Caleb Gallo, right? Yeah. Obviously. It's so well written. Thank you so much. Singular. Singular, honey.

Yeah, I know. And it's, it it's it's interesting doing that in a sort of more traditional yeah in an official capacity yeah but it's been really i i there's this uh great guy working on the show with us paul sims who's such a genius and he he did atlanta with donald glover and he does what we do in the shadows and he's such a he's such a wonderful guide for sort of the parts of it that are new to me and he's been he's been such a blessing it's really well good for you and good for us and the writers in the writer's room are so great and everyone's so great yeah i can tell it's going to be fucking great you deserve it i honestly like if there's anyone who deserves it it's you we're proud of you. We're happy for you. Thank you so much.

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an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. This is the moment where we're going to segue into I Don't Think So Honey, which is really our big segment, Beau, I would say. I'd call it the big segment. Yes, it's the big one. I'm going to get my phone. Okay, that's going to be important because the reason why Bowen needs to get his phone, this is sort of a peek behind the curtain readers, is because we put one minute on the clock and we rail against something in culture that needs to be absolutely dragged.

I feel like I have something. I don't want to target a specific person at the Adele concert last night, but I'm going to. I'm going to. Are you going to specifically target someone this week? Not someone at the Adele concert, but someone specifically.

And I haven't done that in a while, but yeah. Got it. Okay, so this person is going to be, she represents something bigger. And I haven't done that in a while. But yeah. Got it. Okay, so this person is going to be, she represents something bigger. And I also just want to say before I do this, that I also saw another concert, which I immediately texted Bowen about, which is Chapel Roan. Fucking get on

board, everyone. This girl is going to be huge. Huge, huge star. Okay, now I'm ready. She's incredible. Yeah. My Kick It's Karma, listen to that song first. My Kick It's Karma is a legendary, powerful song that will be remembered and stand in the status of time. Yeah. My Kink is Karma, listen to that song first. My Kink is Karma is a legendary, powerful song that will be remembered and stand in the sense of time.

Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. You shush people singing along at the Adele concert. I have news for you.

You were in Las Vegas, Nevada. We're singing along. Like, I don't think so, honey. If you don't think we are. There's no code of conduct. No. Please. It is the Wild West in Las Vegas, Nevada, which is't think so, honey. If you don't think we are. There's no code of conduct. No, please. It is the Wild West in Las Vegas, Nevada,

which is a rural culture, rural culture number 70. It is the Wild West in Las Vegas, Nevada. And that means I'm singing. You know what? Here's what you have to do. At a show like Adele, let her sing the verses.

30 seconds. Let her sing the first chorus. And then the rest of the choruses are ours. That's right. And also iconic moments in certain verses that we all know you know what i mean like we all know like what we're singing along to and what we're not no one was being disrespectful there was one woman who sort of tossed a glance over to me and my friends and it was i didn't even make an issue of it because i

was too in my moment in my feelings but don't be shushing me at the Adele concert. We're all here. We can hear her very well. You can deal with me for one second. We're having a cathartic experience. It is open sobbing season. I don't think so. And that's why the openly sobbing community is also the openly singing

community at Adele weekends with Adele, which by the way, I think is like almost over. So you can't even go, even if you want it to go and you listen to this, you can't, you can't go. But other people, like think is like almost over. So you can't even go, even if you wanted to go and you listen to this, you can't, you can't go. But other people, like the whole crowd was singing along.

It was a very communal, cathartic experience. And we were, and there's just, there was one woman, I think, I don't even remember what song it was, but I was like, it might've been, it wasn't anything uptempo. Cause like no one was being that ridiculous, but I think there was one ballad where it's just like someone maybe just jumped in or chimed in on one thing and you got a dirty look. It's like, not here. This is a place of good energy and we're supporting each other and we're actually holding hands. Do not look at me when I sing along with Adele. It's just futile at that point.

There's no point. And someone got in the DMs and they were like, how do we feel about everyone singing along? And you can't even hear her. And I didn't even respond because I was like, how do I feel about it? I'm participating. Someone DM'd you during the concert?

Wait, what do you mean somebody got in the DMs? Somebody got in the DMs. Oh, in your DMs. I posted it. I thought there were some public DMs or something. I literally was. I thought there was a discord. I didn't know what public DMs or something. I literally was. I thought there was a discord.

I didn't know what the DMs were. The DMs, I posted I think it was her doing maybe it was hello just because it was the first number and I posted it and yes, breaking news, everyone was singing along to hello by Adele and someone said to me how do we feel about everyone singing along to Hello by Adele. And someone said to me, how do we feel about everyone singing along?

And I'm like, uh... Wait, it's because there was just that thing that went viral of somebody singing. Did you guys see this? I think it was either Billie Eilish or Taylor Swift. But there's something that's going viral right now on Twitter. And I think that's why it's on the minds. That somebody is filming a concert

and then you can hear the person right next to the person who's filming, singing over it very loudly and badly. But the difference is I'm sure you were singing very well. I can't confirm or deny that I was just as big of a star last night as I was when I was a little kid. Absolutely slaying larger than life choreo. I can't confirm or deny, but the summer camp performance

to fucking... What's the other one? I want it that way. Oh, yeah. Wow. In that same Backstreet Boys moment. And I bet you were incredible. I bet you were incredible. I'm thinking about you doing that and I'm like, I know it was stirring. I think the difference is

I think it was lip syncing. You were really singing, right? No, dancing. Oh, you guys it was lip syncing you were really singing right? no dancing oh dancing only I can't actually see this is a thing and I'm talking to all my girls out there who are maybe still doing dance contests and dance routines you really have to get on the same page with your girls about like whether or not you're lip syncing

the song or not because I think that I was sort of the stand in for like lead singer being the boy out of the three of us. So I think I may have been lip-syncing, which also had to have been humiliating. And I don't think the girls were lip-syncing. But I can't be sure. So you sort of inadvertently turned them into your backup dancers.

Yeah, I mean, I have news for them. I have news for them wait can we talk about quickly how backstreet boys really gave us like just a small enough trap door for like closeted boys in that time to like do something we're able to channel something a little bit a little gay but palatable and appealing enough to like everybody you are hitting on something so deep exactly we have to be thankful for the backstreet boys we really do you have like a good detective nose for these sort of gay this one has an amazing nose for gay i didn't pick up on the gay son and all about my mother and i didn't pick up on the fact that backstreet boys they really they

were offering something to us as gay kids well as soon as you said it yeah it was the metrosexual era we forget yeah this was right that was such a big moment which by the way is such a humiliating thing that was so widely accepted the idea of the metrosexual like how dare these people actually use their butts for sex but we love when they and we love and respect and understand that they want to do their hair like it's like that era of sexual shame but pride and appearance was intrinsically tied to that musical moment that ripe time in the culture in the late 90s early aughts yeah where it was you know clay aiken ryan seacrest like men who absolutely love vagina into it with them they wanted they want to talk about it all night wait wait question did you do

you guys think of backstreet boys as having been way bigger than NSYNC or do you think of them as exactly the same fame level or do you think of NSYNC as bigger I feel like NSYNC got bigger yes once they hit their peak I remember Backstreet Boys coming first and I remember I remember they were like the moment and then NSYNC was like sort of the Christina Aguilera if you will they really were the christina aguilera the pepsi there's always the pepsi there's always the pepsi it's real culture number eight there's always pepsi wait but was did britney do the amazing pepsi ad or or did she do the amazing and i believe christina was diet coke or coke like like they so transparently like the other one

like and but this is a world where like, so I think it was different because Backstreet Boys was first and then Instinct came along and then I think kind of took over. And this will be a world where Christina Aguilera had come along after Britney and taken over,

which is of course a world we don't live in. Bo and Yang, are you ready to do your I don't think so, honey? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, well, that's good. This is Bo and Yang's I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now your I don't think so, honey? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, well, that's good. This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Larsa Pippin, maybe soon to be Larsa Pippin Jordan. Your behavior at the reunion for the Real Housewives of Miami is truly beyond the pale. Talk about it. How dare you tell Dr. Nicole that being an anesthesiologist is not a real job. Sure, like anesthesiologists get not a real job. Sure, like, anesthesiologists get, like, shat on within the medical community, but, like, the only people you have to thank are doctors,

Larsa. The only people you have to thank are doctors and basketball players. You cannot come after this woman for, like, working in a hospital and then literally, like, fucking her career up, potentially, by saying that she's fucked every doctor in the hospital and I

part of me is like oh I actually it's refreshing that Larsa is sort of like flipping occupational stigma on its head like let's time we've given doctors some guff or something five seconds but it is revolutionary for her as an only fans foot model to like really come

after her but it's not it's not the move. Larsa is fully an idiot by the end of the whole reunion. And that is one minute. And I'm so happy you brought it up because watching Larsa Pippen, who's famously an OnlyFans foot model, say to a medical doctor that she actually has a real job was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. And Brian, if you're going to get into a Housewives,

it has to be Real Housewives of Miami. And Miamiami has of course come up on the episode prior but they have a real housewives franchise in that city that is doing as they say what the other girls were supposed to have done yeah it is high art this reunion is unhinged to say nothing of adriana's behavior that is so crazy to say nothing of alexia the it is her saying to to lisa hockstein that her husband would have stayed with her if she thought she was a star if you believed you were a star if she had more confidence if she had more confidence yeah she is wild i said she's theresa judice with more words per minute, which is not good. But I have no notes. This is the best television that is on, and

I implore, just as we did several years ago, Beau, with Potomac. We told everyone, don't sleep on Potomac. Do not be sleeping on the Real Housewives of Miami. It is high art. Brian, if you like Selling Sunset... What season should you start on? You can start on four. You can start on four, but if you like Selling Sunset what season should you start on? you can start on 4 but if you like Selling Sunset

you will love Miami and you can start on 4 because that's when they rebooted it on Peacock so you can watch it on Peacock oh okay Peacock we're the biggest supporters of Peacock that are out there we unironically talk about Peacock constantly

Megan is also on Peacock Megan is on Peacock that's not a mistake andock constantly megan is also on peacock that's not a mistake and you know what else is on peacock tar tar yes hon tar is streaming now because nothing says peacock like lydia tar i will say it's rule of culture number one tar is streaming now on Peacock. Thank you, Donna Langley, head of Universal. Sorry, go ahead. You guys don't know the people that run that Lydia Tar Twitter account, do you? It's so funny.

No, but I want to find them so I can vote for them for president of the United States. No, it's very funny. She's always tweeting shit like looking for a new young female assistant. Like looking to help someone who's new to the industry. Lydia Tarr is such an icon. She's an icon. I did think she was real the whole movie. I know everyone had confusion about this.

I know. I was in the same club. It's something about how specific the movie is where you go, oh, well, this is probably somewhat fictionalized, but I bet this is really based on somebody's real, which maybe is kind of true, but there's parts of the movie where you're like, wait, this has to be historical. This has to be a person.

It's just not. I love how she drives that cream-colored Porsche around Berlin. And it's the way Kate performs it. Yeah, it's the way Kate performs it. Right, the way Kate performed it. Yeah, it's the way Kate performed it. Right, the way Kate performed it makes me think it's a biopic, basically. It's giving biopic acting. It will always... Lydia Tarr, you will always be famous.

You will always be real. You will always be real. You will always be real. You will always have existed. Yeah, you will always have existed. Okay, so this is sort of the part when to quote ariana grande uh brian you do your i don't think so honey are you ready for this i am ready i'm hoping i have i'm hoping i have a minute's worth of time okay i think you do this is brian jordan

alvarez's i don't think so any time starts now okay i don't think so honey these fake tiktok pranks that are so obviously fake and everybody is laughing at them like they're real and then my boyfriend shows me these like and i go and i just there's just something subtle going on in them where like you can tell like even if that prank had been real the way the person's reacting they're definitely acting the way yeah would act if they knew it's acting even if it's good acting you can tell if it's acting and then my boyfriend who i love obviously will show them to me and i'll go that's fake and he'll go who cares if it's fake it's funny and i'm like who doesn't care if it's fake this is only funny because it's supposed to be not fake right if this is supposed

to be a fictional narrative video then i'm gonna be laughing at different things that this is supposed to be documentary non-fiction and i'm supposed to be laughing at the reality of this and this is not real so i care i don't think so on me period that was excellent that's one minute i'm free you're you're really right that's so true though has anybody ever done that where they're like well who cares if it's fake and it's like what do you mean it makes all the difference yeah it makes all the difference wasn't there a kid who like covered his whole kitchen in peanut butter or something like every break every like every cupboard door the fridge that fake shit off my timeline.

It's also not a prank. That's just a mess. It's not a prank. It's a mess. I know. The expression prank these days is so loose. It's like, no, I think you just hit someone, actually. I don't think that was a prank. You just assaulted someone. That's just physical violence.

Yeah, and that's just cruelty that you posted i yeah i feel like pranks pranks have like lifted off of april fools like no one really gives a shit about april fools anymore but they're like proliferated through tiktok april fools really has fallen off it's fallen off for sure maybe it's like there's a gen z affinity to it because i guess like jim would do it on the office a lot with like prank Dwight or whatever the fuck and so now these kids are like oh pranks are the highest form of art and comedy

let's do it on TikTok exactly literally it's just because it's a light lift and you can literally just post it it's like when people who are obsessed with fails you know what I mean like and that always like drove me nuts like I can't sit through fails I can what i mean like and that always like drove me nuts like i can't sit

through fails i can't sit through like when oh here's a video of someone get this getting really hurt i can't do it here's a video of someone skateboarding and what happens to them they probably should be dead do you want to watch it again like no i don't know i know yeah it doesn't yeah i never it never makes me laugh yeah because you're just like are they dead like what happened like what's the conclusion of this film you know are they right and then the thing is you don't want the answer to that question sometimes you know what i'm saying it's just like because sometimes like sometimes get this like you put the phone down and said haha that was funny mama's dead wait Matt

on the subject of falling though you should learn to ski I think it would kind of be a chic look for me too it is it's such a chic you feel so cool I have yet to go to a gay ski week but I think that's going to be the height

apparently there's one happening right now right they have them all the time i mean oh okay all the time it's it's endless no i mean they have all different cities is there one is there one nearby it's like mammoth ski i believe and like tons of gays are not like in la because they're all skiing and i was like huh i was like what oh wait are you guys in la no you're in la man i am in los angeles california did you move to la yes you don't have to reveal that to the no i i'm open about the fact that i moved to la for about five years ago and um i actually i i just i i just just got another place uh in new york so i'm gonna be bi-coastal i'm gonna i'm gonna live in new york city and los angeles california yeah no it's exciting it's good i'm excited about it in New York, so I'm going to be bi-coastal. I'm going to live in New York City and Los Angeles,

California. Yeah, no, it's exciting. It's good. I'm excited about it. The new era, the new chapter. I want to hear how that goes. The rest is still unwritten. Did you hear what my voice just did? I sounded like a Tyrannosaurus Rex. You were screaming at Adele last night. Hold on.

One last thing. If I were to watch, if I were to watch Tar, it doesn't make a difference to me if Tar is real or fake. Oh my god! That is the one exception. Wow. You have an amazing nose, Bowen. Wow.

No, it's an amazing nose. Thank you. Oh my god. Now, was anything gay happening in Tar is the question 100 no i don't think what if i watched that movie and i had not i feel like it is possible to watch that movie and not maybe not pick up on the fact she's a lesbian what if i watched it that's because her wife could have just been like her good sis. So the film is about her and her friends or what is the... Oh, that's so funny.

Listen to them. My voice is literally telling me it's time to rap because I'm a rap guy. Wait, Brian, this was so fun. And thank you so much for doing this show. We love you. Thank you so much for coming on. Love you both so much.

And you gotta come back. The three of us have to get together and be stupid in person. Go to a park. Can't wait. Let's go to a park. Let's go to Prospect Park. Stream Megan on Peacock,

but not before Tar. And we, and, oh God, Bowen, I'm dying. We end every episode with a song. Okay.

So won't you take it? Take it. Take it all. I don't know take it all I don't know the rest don't look back at this crumbling fool now do you do the end it's so iconic so take it all

and my I'm not really phoning I'm not really enunciating the word you sounded like Adele you have an amazing nose and an amazing voice amazing nose amazing voice thank you everyone for listening to this episode of Rascal Teresa's with Matt Rogers

and Bowen Yang just won the best podcast award at the iHeartRadio podcast awards we are the best podcast in the world thank you so much an award winning Hurt Radio Podcast Awards. And we are the best podcast in the world. Thank you so much. Wow. We're a critical acclaim.

An award winning. Feels incredible. Seven years in the game. Finally award winning. We're an award winning podcast. There's none better. Sorry, everyone. Bye. Bye.

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