Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Just Said Pu**y To A Princess" (w/ Marti Gould Cummings)

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

Matt and Bowen are fully swollen with pride to welcome drag artist, activist, absolute icon and candidate for New York City Council, the one and only Marti Gould Cummings to the podcast. Recorded on the day the Supreme Court made it illegal to fire someone because they are LGBTQ, the three get into legislation that Marti would like to pass if elected, and explain the need to defund the police. Marti details their recent violent and traumatic arrest by the NYPD while they were peacefully protesting police brutality, and it's a must-hear. Also, discussion on Marti's "culture that made them say culture was for them": Princess Diana. Strap in, it's a ride, and contains a story about how Marti once said the word "pussy" in front of Princess Beatrice. Also: Mulan as queer icon, Kelly Clarkson and how being in quarantine can affect relationships, "mask performance", J.K. Rowling dragging. Daniel Radcliffe worshipping, the Real Housewives franchise, and how drag has evolved in the last decade. DEFUND THE POLICE. REMOVE COLUMBUS. VOTE FOR MARTI. xo! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Bowen, a lot to discuss up top. Yeah, a lot to discuss. I mean, there's really a thick, thick, thick gelatinous air that we have to cut through with all that's going on. Let me say like loud and clear because I know from your experience on a plane. Yes, Bowen was on a plane because I know from your experience on a plane, yes, Bone was on a plane. I was. I was on a plane yesterday. He's in Denver currently.

I am. I'm quarantining in my parents' basement. What did I see? What did you see? What did you see with your own eyes? I saw a lot of... Well, first of all, let's set the baseline. A lot of masks.

Everyone had to wear a mask, of course, to get on the plane, but a lot of people on the plane taking a mask of course to get on the plane but a lot of people on the plane taking the masks off yeah and a lot of the flight attendants and i don't drag them they're no no no i'm not going to drag them because they're in a tough spot because a lot of the flight attendants not saying anything to the people who are taking their masks off because well first of all i should say that the masks the people who are taking their masks off because well first of all i should say that the masks the people who are taking the masks off are exclusively like hetero white middle-aged

boomer couples yep and mask performance in a different sense of course hegemonic performance performance a lot of the masks hanging off the chin this is what we call not wearing a mask this is called mask performance m-a-s-k m-a-s-k performance and that ain wearing a mask. This is called mask performance. M-A-S-K. M-A-S-K performance. And that ain't a mask. That's a damn hammock, honey. And that's actually rule of culture number four. That ain't a mask. That's a damn hammock, honey.

If it's not on your mouth, it's not counting. It better cover the nostrils too. I was going to say, thank you for covering the nostrils. So it was just a lot of Karen and Chad energy coming from these people who didn't have their masks on. And it's like, I don't want these

flight attendants, these flight attendants who are working, who are putting themselves in, you know, in danger by working. I don't want them, I don't think the onus is on them

to berate these people and to risk like a big outburst. Well, the case is be rising. And we also need to say, this is what I've meditated on this. And this is what I've come to.

The only individual who should not be wearing a mask is Fahmulan. She is the only one who has proven with time that it is not good for her to wear the mask. Because now she sees when she wear the mask. Because now she sees when she wears the mask, and these are Christina Aguilera's lyrics, not mine. Now she sees

if she wears a mask, she might fool the world, but she may not fool her heart. Mind you, Mulan's story takes place hundreds of years ago. And if she were to be walking around this culture, this particular culture, she would not have to wear the mask. I would say allow her to unmask.

But the fact of the matter is, she's not around currently. In fact, she was famously postponed this year. Yes, she was. You know, we'll see if we ever see it. I was so excited to see Ms. Mulan in theaters. I thought that the trailer looked at peak looked very good looked very good i loved watching my queen with a blowout in the middle of a battle my you're a queen she can be both of our queens bowing but i've never seen you lay claim to

mulan this is the first time i've ever seen you i'm not laying claim to mulan let's actually just get that straight okay i'm just saying she this summer which she was supposed to be all of our queens yes well there's a lot of colonizing happening on the pod right now oh my word just kidding fine can i can i can i redirect towards something that's more i do want to speak on something yes please you might have noticed that i have this very tall glass of red wine. Yeah, you're topped up. This is a salute. Okay. Because someone else in this world enjoys a big glass of red wine,

and that someone is Kelly Clarkson. Yes. Now, a lot of people reaching out to me to get my sort of reaction to the news that Kelly is divorcing. And here's the thing. thing everyone this is a real person to me this is my real hero and so all i have to say is i love kelly i know this is probably not easy for her and i hope everyone has compassion yes because honestly that's something we have to unpack too is like the celebrity divorce of it all it's taken me to this 30th year of my life when it's my queen that i stand and i say everyone stand down stand down this is not a time for your

your presumptions this is not a time for anyone's commentary let the woman grieve i would say that the a lot of the conversation that i've sort of seen around Kelly is that it has been compassionate. Everyone's like just hoping for the best. She is the best. It must be hard. It must be hard on the little Blackstones, the little children. Yeah. Blackstones? Blackstock. Blackstocks. I'm so sorry. It's actually Rural Culture number 50. It's Blackstock, not Blackstone. Not Blackstone. She will have her name legally restored to kelly clarkson i feel very sad about this because famously she sang piece by piece and had a difficult childhood of divorce and this is a tough one everyone so please be compassionate

towards kelly i'm drinking a big glass of red wine in her honor we love you and um we love kelly and i just everyone was sort of tagging me being like, how was Matt Rogers dealing? Not well. Didn't need this on top of everything else. Of course.

We could call it, we could call it a traumatizing several months. Absolutely. I want to quickly point out before we move on and introduce our guests. We're so excited that they're here.

We're so excited that our guest is here. It's an epic day for a lot of reasons. Well, first of all, we should say we're recording this June 15th, 2020. This is the day that the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that Title VII in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects LGBTQIA plus employees. Shocking to see good news. Shocking. My body almost didn't know

how to internalize something good. I was like, what? This doesn't make sense. Totally. When was the last time you felt pure, like, I would say rain on me. No, it's been pretty recent. Rain on me was a moment of elation.

And also I should say, we also have not talked about Chromatica. We have not talked about Chromatica on this podcast. And actually it's a great guest to have. It's a great guest to have. It's a great guest to have. We have a truly holistic guest who is perfect for these times, I would say. I can't think of a better guest to have on in this moment. And I've been very inspired all my, let's call it a young adult life by this guest.

But in these moments, this is a true beacon of light in the dark that we have, that we're lucky to have on the pod. And actually, well, let's just say, go through the credits, Beau. Okay, I'll go through the credits. Well, first of all, we're going to butter you up, guest. I think it's important.

This is a little tonal shift, but I think it's important that we just say their names. Twain Salau, Richard Brooks, Robert Fuller, Malcolm Harsh. Not at all comprehensive within the last couple weeks, these deaths. They continue. They continue. And there is justice to be sought in every corner of this country.

And that's why we keep fighting this. And we have a true, true, true fighter in this fight, I think. An ally in every sense. Someone who is putting themselves in the line of fire in so many ways and who has had some very, very, very, what I would say are traumatic experiences with just the

political infrastructure of New York City, of this country, but thankfully they are running for office in New York City and we're so happy to support them in their campaign. Okay, so the credits are they are currently sitting on Community Board 9 in New York City in Manhattan. They were appointed by the Speaker of the City Council to be an advisor on the New York City

Nightlife Advisory Board. And they are currently running for council district seven in new york city serving upper manhattan they are a drag artist an activist a true a nightlife fixture i would say in new york i would say one of the most recognizable figures in nightlife and this goes back to when i remember being i remember i saw this this queen i saw do a performance of it's all coming back to me now it started in the venue it went out onto the street it never stopped being a perfect lip sync it was perform months it was drag performance yes this is a explosive performer on top of everything else and like you said bone if we have anything to say about it, future city council member. Absolutely.

And that election is coming up in 2021. And I think we're going to hear a lot more about that one. Let's see. Gonna have to listen to that one. Gonna have to listen to and support that one. Absolutely. So everyone, please welcome to your ears, Marty

Goldkmings with a full beat face we should say no well I took my lashes off and my wig off because you said you weren't filming so that was good first of all I feel like I got to know you as a short hair queen my husband likes to say that

it's because of him that I wear wigs now and I'm like fuck off no wait what does that mean yeah he's like I helped you drag and I'm like no you didn't

what is he he needs to absolutely step back he needs to take several seats I was like no as I'm an artist I evolved up

yeah like you need to reinvent yourself I okay do you know how hard it was to not laugh with you talking about Mulan

and sweet Kelly Clarkson were you looking forward to Mulan yeah okay so when I was a I don't remember how old I was when the cartoon came out

but my aunt and her friend and the friend's son and I went to see Mulan in the theaters and I was captivated and mesmerized

because you know the voice of Lea Salonga is the voice of God. I was going to say Lea, yes. And I threw a fit when my mom came to pick me up from my aunt's house because I was like, no, we need to go see Mulan again right now.

My mom was like, no, we got to go. And I was like, no, I know there's another showing. I saw it on the board when we were leaving. We have to go back. The same day? I needed to see it again. I was so obsessed. You demanded a repeat viewing. Yes, I was so obsessed you demanded a repeat viewing

yes I was so obsessed and when she was like okay also what's his name who's Donny Osmond play which is

Shang Lee Shang Captain Lee Shang yeah first of all that's bullshit that Donny Osmond played this character

BD Wong but Donny Osmond was the singing voice wait that was BD I didn't know that was BD we love BD Wong we stan BD Wong absolutely we love BD Wong, but Donny Osmond was the singing voice. Oh, okay. Wait, that was BD? I didn't know that was BD. Yeah. We love BD Wong.

We stan BD Wong. Absolutely. So that's good. We love BD Wong. But also, BD Wong is a good singer, so why did he not sing it? I was going to say, yes, I was going to bring that in. I have not asked BD himself. Actually, this would be a great opportunity.

I will... Should I call BD Wong? Yes. He's a friend of the family. He's a friend of the family. We got to have him on soon. I can't believe we haven't. But this is the thing. BD Wong is one of those people who I have his number, but he's a friend of the family he's a friend of the family we gotta have him on soon I can't believe we have him but this is the thing

BD Wong is one of those people who I have his number but he's not somebody I feel like if I called him he'd be like I could text him right now and be like if Marty Gould Cummings calls you

you pick up you pick up the damn phone BD I have to say BD is a national treasure and also I have a little crush on BD Wong

so do I and in person it's actually a little overwhelming because he was in this house years ago and did a YouTube interview I had this like weird YouTube show

when I was like 20 and I and he like was like oh yeah come to my house and I was like sure but then I I did one of those like

oh let me use your bathroom so I could like find the Tony didn't don't know where it is couldn't find it but he's so nice he's so nice. He's a sweetheart.

He uses this platform for such good. He's always giving back to the community. Love him. But the point of this was I had such a crush also on, what's the character's name? Li Shang. Yes, Li Shang could get it twice. Absolutely. And you could see his nipples. Oh no, you couldn't see his nipples.

Actually, yes. Break my arm right off. I always want, absolutely and you could see his nipples oh no you couldn't see his nipples actually yes break my arm right off i always i always want well i the way i always like sort of say where i am on the scale of how attracted i am is how much i want them to physically hurt me and i feel that lee shang could break my arm right off you gotta go to balsam if that's your your oh yeah apparently that's actually my scene and i didn't know it but he was when he said let's get down to business I was I don't know how young I was but I was whole up oh he was so hot

I love Mulan she's beautiful Mulan is one of the most beautiful women in the world and most beautiful man and absolutely I mean and a beautiful man talk about drag performance one of the very first. Boots.

Yeah. Wait, Marty, you just came from Stonewall. So there was an event there. There was a rally there to celebrate this ruling. How was it? Yeah, well, my friend Sammy Olivares, who I love, Sammy's running for district leader in Brooklyn and state committee. Sammy's an old friend of mine.

And he texted me today and he goes oh we have to do something let's do it and I said sure so we called Jason Rosenberg who is a part of ACT UP and we called our friend Wyatt Harms

who works at BuzzFeed and then we called Peppermint and Tanya Walker who is part of Equality New York and we called T.S. Candy who is advocating for the decriminalization of sex work.

And we had this beautiful showing of the community. We had people from Gays Against Guns. It was amazing. It was amazing. And, you know, we were celebrating this incredible historic moment. But also we were like, okay, so we did this. This is great. Yeah.

But there's so much happening in the country right now. For those of you who don't know, the Supreme Court ruled six to three, which is first of all, a big deal because a lot of times in these civil rights cases, it will be a much closer vote. So to have six to three is really fantastic. Yeah. So if you're LGBTQIA+, you cannot be fired from your job anymore.

That is now federally illegal work, bitch. I want to go up into the gig and be like, I'm a faggot and you can't fire me, little bitch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I wanted to say that on the microphone when I'm running for office. I was like, I don't think NBC will air that

with their news crew. But the intention of my speech was, I'm a for office. I was like, I don't think NBC will air that with their news crew. But the intention of my speech was, I'm a faggot, you little bitch. And I'm sure that was felt by everyone that was there. I was like, can I say that? I don't care. I can say that. No, you can say that on air. We get in trouble for saying faggot, and I'm like, then don't listen.

We're going to say faggot, actually. That's one of the things that's going to be the cornerstone of this. My mom always says, don't say that word. And I said, oh, no, Maggie, I can say that. You can't say that. Not to bring it down. But there is a lot still happening in this country. We have a long way to go.

In New York, we still have to repeal the walking while trans law, which impacts particularly black trans women, where the cops can literally just see somebody who they perceive to be trans and stop and frisk them and arrest them for sex work, even if they're not, even if they're not in, even if they're not sex workers. And that's how Layleen Polanco was picked up. She was held on $500 bail. She died in Rikers. The video just came out the other day where they show her asking for help. The corrections officers laughed at her, closed the door, opened the door again, laughed at her, and she died. So, there's so much that needs to happen. We need bail reform. We need to, the city council also

last year, they're closing Rikers in 2026, which is great. But then they put $9 billion into building four new jails. That's wrong. When I'm in city council, I'm going to work to reverse that ruling because, yes, we need to close Rikers, but why are we putting $9 billion into jails? There's so many people who are in jail who shouldn't be there. We need to look at their cases. We need to decriminalize sex work, decriminalize marijuana, expunge the records of people who have that on their record. And we need to put that $9 billion, we need to put that $9 billion. We need to put that money back in communities that need it.

We need to defund the police. The New York City Police Department has a $6 billion budget. We need to take, they're calling for $1 billion for this current cycle. July 1st is the budget. $4 billion is plenty for a city of our size. $4 billion is plenty. Think about that amount of money. It's so crazy. It's so crazy, especially when you have youth and senior services, education, health and hospitals, parks and rec, housing, affordable housing combined. Combined,

their budget doesn't even equal the NYPD's budget. And then for police misconduct, they've spent almost $300 million in paying off lawsuits, settlements. Do you know what you could buy with $300 million? Do you know how many doctors and nurses would have PPE? How many homeless people experiencing homelessness we could house? How many students in schools we could get laptops and iPads for so they could use them to learn. There's so much we could be using this money for. And so, yes, the Supreme Court ruling today is great, but there's so much still happening. Rand Paul, one of the senators from Kentucky, is stopping the lynching law. Lynching is still not a federal hate crime in this country.

Unbelievable. And we have these three cases that have just been reported in the last week of people who they're calling them suicides. They're not suicides. These people were lynched, hanging from trees. It's insane to me. Yes. So yes, this is a great win.

It's a joyful moment that we need from the Supreme Court. But there's so much. The fight is nowhere near done. Absolutely. And there's so many things to sort of touch on with that. It's like, first of all, to say that a black person hanging from a tree is, to rule that as a suicide is so intellectually and historically and racially insulting on so many levels. It's bullshit. And it also talks down to everyone.

You think that everyone can't can't see through that like it's just crazy that that they think the public is just gonna accept that as truth and move on now in 2020 this is it's ridiculous and it really just shows that you know people in power truly do think that the public is dumb but that's it's it's like the way that they talk down to us and the way they just kind of cut print and move on. And the fact that the media hasn't always been as sensitive to this, like we know now we have everyone's number and it is not going to stop. And we're not going to stop when we just get one positive thing. I mean, I think those days are over by thinking that one election going our way solves anything.

That's when the work starts. Well, look at what the media is doing. You know, I don't want to be one of those queens who's like, well, the media. But when you have this stuff happening in our country, people are protesting for the equality of black people who have been denied rights for almost 500 years in this country, since before this

country was a country. And then you have, when slavery is abolished, you then have the mass incarceration is put into play, making modern day slavery. And we've only had the Civil Rights Act for since the 1960s. So it's very new, you know. So so our leaders need to be leaders. We need to vote out the pieces of shit who are oppressing people and holding them down.

It takes longer to get your barber's license than it does to become a police officer. That's fucked. Not that I want my barbers to be trained too because i want a nice haircut but everyone can be trained yes but i want our police to be vetted and even more trained and in 2004 the bush administration's fbi came out with a study that said white supremacists are infiltrating our police forces and our law enforcement and nothing has come of that study since so that's 16 years ago think about that amount of money everyone i mean the amount now that we're really seeing and i think it's the

first time that it's ever being really widely circulated just how much money does go to policing in this country and you're talking to three people who lived in new york for a long time and bowen and i we have, we worked in story parts where we went to schools, many low income schools. And if you're going to tell me that an NYPD needs that amount of money, and I'm telling you, it is squalor. Some of these elementary schools, it is crazy. They have no money. It is a joke. We need to put more money in education. Absolutely. The New York school system, and a lot of people don't realize this, the New York City school system is one of the most segregated school systems in the entire country. Absolutely.

So that needs to be fixed immediately. And we also need to get cops out of school and social workers and nurses into schools. Yes. When you have more cops than nurses or social workers or psychiatrists, psychologists in schools. That's wrong. You need to help kids' mental and spiritual health as well as getting a good education. And what I wanted to say about the media also is they're airing the protests. So, for example, in Georgia, they're saying, oh, the Wendy's caught on fire. They're burning the Wendy's.

Well, why are they burning the Wendy's? Because the police killed someone that's why you know people have been oppressed for 500 years light it the fuck on fire I agree with you stop killing people

stop killing innocent black people I agree with you the redirection that keeps happening is so it's really pathological dishonest it's really pathological. Dishonest. Yeah. It's intellectually dishonest.

I mean, when people say defund the police, what they mean is you dissolve police departments to, within a reasonable level. I mean, it's not even, whatever. You dissolve police departments down to a certain level so that they become one part of a very large web of social services. So that you don't call on police to handle situations that they're ill-equipped to even solve in the first place even with all this funding. They're not trained to solve many of the things they're called to deal with. Police doesn't need to be every 911 call, you know? Find out what's

happening and send the proper resource. But look at what Camden, New Jersey did and now what Minneapolis is now doing. They abolished their police department and now they're rebuilding it from the ground up. They did that in Camden. That's something they're working on

in Minneapolis. I'm not sure how far along they are, you know, which is where George Floyd died. And two friends of mine are on the council out there. Andrea Jenkins, the first black trans woman.

Andrea Jenkins! Yeah. And Philippe Cunningham, who's a trans black man. Yes. They're incredible leaders. They're doing great work on the city council, the two of them. People say the system's not working. The system is doing exactly what it

was designed to do in America, which is oppress certain groups of people. So we need to dismantle the system and rebuild it so it's equal and equitable for everyone. Yeah, that's actually, I'm happy that you said that because something that I wanted to say on the podcast is actually was a misuse of language on my part on the episode that we did a couple weeks ago, because I totally agree with you. It's not that the system is broken. It's that the system is racist and the system is working to serve white people. And if you actually really trace it back.

Particularly white men. Rich white men who, that's really what it is. It's in the beginning of our country, it was really all to protect rich white men who oh that's really what it is it's in the beginning of our country it was really to all to protect rich white homeowners or landowners so if you trace it all the way back to why we even have police you'll find very dark reasons for why we even have police because it wasn't a response to a freeing of the slaves and a way to keep these people in check and it was it's it's really dark when you actually go back. And so that's something that over the past couple of weeks,

it's really started to become much more of a narrative. And I'm happy that it is. And I'm happy that we're really leaning on this. The words defund the police. Look at my video on Instagram, listeners. I made a whole video about defunding the police. Yes, it's about reallocating resources responsibly and correctly so that we are not putting all of this money to feed a system that is unfair and racist

and is coming at the lives of black people and that's just the fact and the fact of the matter is you cannot police the anger that is happening in this country because this is where we are at now because it is now unacceptable it's been unacceptable but when i say unacceptable it means it was it is no longer going to be accepted yeah marnie when you say um uh once you're elected that you would reverse any funding towards building new prisons on city council can you talk to us about i mean as two people as i'm speaking for matt and myself as two people who are sort of new to understanding political infrastructure when it comes to like local government or municipal government. Tell us about like what being on city council means and what sort of abilities you have.

I mean, I'd have to work out a whole plan around it. But I would love when I'm in city council, to enact legislation. So what happened was they made a thing in city council this past year where they will be closing Rikers Island in 2026, which is great. I support that. Yes. Yes. But then they voted to, in doing that, to then put $9 billion towards building four new jails in four of the boroughs of New York.

I do not agree with that. Yes, I do think that, you know, you're a murderer, rapist, you know, there are crimes that people need to be in jail for. Yes. But why do we need four new jails? There are so many people in jail because people are being unjustly arrested for stuff. So that's why we need to look at why are people being arrested? I'm a recovering alcoholic and drug addict. And I look at it as if somebody's caught, you know, with drugs on them. Look at what's happening. Are they an addict?

Are they somebody who has an addiction? You don't jail somebody for having cancer or diabetes. So why are you jailing somebody for having the disease of addiction? That money, instead of being put into a jail, should be put into getting people treatment, job placement, education resources, and making them a productive member of society who's clean and healthy and taking care of themselves, not incarcerating them. And oftentimes you put people in these situations and it makes it worse for them when you put them in jail. It's unsafe. And then the whole other side of it is you have solitary confinement, which is inhumane and

wrong. You know, there's so much wrong with the jail system. The prison industrial complex is modern day slavery and it's wrong. So why are we putting $9 billion into that? Maybe build one new jail, not four. That's crazy to me. So I would enact legislation to reverse that legislation. Perfect. Because when people focus on, or when people sort of fixate their arguments on,

well, what are we going to do about the rapists and the murderers and the blah, blah, blah? It's like, well, if you're focusing on that thing as the main focus, if you're ignoring every other part of the prison industrial complex, then that's crazy. Because then you're completely dismissing the fact that there are mandatory minimum sentences and gosh, yeah. And the fact that we are mandatory minimum sentences and gosh, like, yeah.

And the fact that we've criminalized drug use in this country to begin with as a way to feed human bodies into the system. And criminalize, you know, sex work and all this stuff. Look, there's those rumors of little Lady G, you know? I'm sure Miss Graham doesn't want all of her sex workers going to jail. Now, does she? Her and her little lady bugs. Little bitch.

I mean, we apparently had to dispel the ladybugs rumor. Wasn't that like dispel? Lindsay Graham's a piece of shit. Fuck that bitch. I'll say it. I said the only thing I feel bad about is that like if it's not true, it's just someone who wrote crazy fan fiction. And like that, it just gives people an excuse to be like, see, they're lying.

And like, we don't need more of that. That being said, I would love to read lady G the house down to the absolute ground. And I don't care at all. I will not care at all. When he is out of Mitch McConnell look like when, you know,

when Ursula turns the mermaids into those little creatures, Oh yes. They look like it's Ursula turned the mermaids into those little creatures? Oh, yes. That's what they look like. It's Ursula turned into Miss Vanessa. Yes. And got her wiles about her. Well, we know the narrative. But Marty's talking about Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell being like,

but I'm afraid I'm afraid to break them across the coals. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, Flotsam and Jetsam, a.k.a. the involved. No, no, no, no. Not Flotsam and Jetsam, the little thing. They look like little sperms. Yes, yes, yes. You know what Jetsam aka me and Bowen no no no not Flotsam and Jetsam the little thing they look like little sperms yes yes yes you know what I'm talking about you're referencing

the young girls that they get turned into the little sort of like yeah yeah yeah okay so yes Flotsam and Jetsam so we should also say no

no to everyone out there who's waiting for me and Bowen to be cast as Flotsam and Jetsam in the live action Little Mermaid film they have not followed up on our offer to be cast in these roles. They do not want us.

I think we'd be great in the parts, but apparently it's not happening. I support that. I support that as well. I mean, all I want to do is go under the sea. Also, this is so off topic, but I'm very sad about Kelly Clarkson too. Okay, talk about this. It's so sad. Are you a fan?

What's your reaction? I love Kelly Clarkson and when she cried singing about her dad piece by piece and saying how much her husband loves her and then the reason they're divorcing is because they went to Montana to get away during quarantine and they couldn't stand each other so

basically this is and I again like I love this woman so much she helped me so much when i when i was a little oh my god i had when when when when when when american idol season one was on i i had i still had the vhs tape in my childhood bedroom i still have it a moment like that i still have it oh i mean look i i used to watch her performances back back when all the only way you could re-watch things was to tape it i used to wear those vhs tapes out watch her performances back when the only way you could rewatch things was to tape it. I used to wear those VHS tapes out, specifically her performances of You're All I Need, Walk on By, underrated Kelly performs for American Idol. Of course, Natural Woman, stuff like that there during Big Band Week.

I mean, we are fans. But the thing is, this is the quarantine. It will reveal all. And, you know, I feel very bad for people that are in relationships right now during quarantine that are not working out oh they're not working no i mean like look if you're in a great relationship and you're doing oh i get my workout at home okay and i love that for you and i celebrate that but what i'm saying is like i do feel really bad for people that were struggling in their relationships and then you get put into quarantine it's tough i mean i mean i'm in a relationship in quarantine and like how's it

going we've been dating for about nine months and then we got put into quarantine and i'll be honest we had never spent that much time together and so it's it's like it is like there's like little moments here and there like like where you're you're tested in certain moments absolutely we're doing great and we have a great relationship, but ultimately, every relationship is not like that. And so I feel very sad for people who during this time, maybe they weren't ready

to let go of their relationship, but the quarantine reveals all. Revealed it, yeah. I think the quarantine helped my marriage. You think so? Yeah. Well, I don't want to talk about my marriage. No, we want to talk about your marriage.

They're all. We are Oprah and Winfrey. It's actually Real Culture number 72. Bowen and Matt are Oprah and Winfrey. Oh, my God. Oh, wait. Okay, so hold on. Before we get into my marriage,

the only VHS tapes that I still own, and they're all in my childhood bedroom, are Kelly Clarkson, American Idol win, Princess Diana's funeral, and the Oprah 20th anniversary collection. I have them as VHSs, not DVDs. Wow, wow. Were you a young queen for Oprah?

Yes, I would watch Ellen Can Choke. I love We're not Ellen fans in this house. We have not been Ellen fans since episode three of this podcast. We've been on record

about Ellen. I love Oprah and I would so I would watch every day as a kid the Oprah show the Oprah Winfrey show

and the Rosie O'Donnell show. Rosie was everything. Yeah. God bless. I feel that energy from you. You loved Rosie. I love Rosie and you know Alice Ripley is a friend of mine now and I uh name drop bitch

and uh my single pharmacologist and I and I remember I distinctly remember seeing let them finish let them finish. No no it's okay it's okay I love Alice so I um I distinctly remember the first time I ever saw

Alice Ripley was on the Rosie O'Donnell show and I was like, oh my God, I love this woman so much. It was her and Emily Skinner and now she's like

my girlfriend but as like a child I was like, oh my God, I want to be Daisy. I want to be Violet. I want to be a twin attached. Well,

Alice is a force He was talking about art Her Tony's acceptance speech He was talking about art I will say one of the most transformative Experiences I have had seeing Seeing theater Was Alice Ripley in Next to Normal

Did you see Miss Alice in Next to Normal? Twice Wow Bowen did you? I never saw in next to normal twice wow i'm telling you yeah bowen did you i never saw but i'm familiar with the music it's it's incredible i'm telling you weeping weeping weeping uncontrollably i won the lottery to see it actually like the i could not believe the first time i ever tried to do the lottery i won and we got to go me and my friend mackenzie daris we went we sat in what i call the lincoln seats and because you know that's where she got her head

absolutely blown the f off but what is it too soon sorry everyone but i sat in those seats and we were looking down onto the stage and this is after ms erin tveit had left the show but it was alice ripley and she was tearing it up so it was kyle dean massey who i love kyle dean massey a hunk yeah him and his husband Taylor are the best. I love them. Didn't even know Kyle Dean was gay. Love that. I should know.

Wait, really? No, I didn't know. I don't know Kyle Dean Massey personally. Marty, you're among the more connected people in the city. You are one of the most connected people in the New York City. No, no, no. Okay, sidebar. You also need to YouTube the late, great Maren Mazie

as Diana in Next to Normal. It is one of the most epic performances as well. I am so happy that you said Maren Mazie. Do your listeners love Broadway? I'm like going on a Broadway thing. Oh, we love, the readers love Broadway. And actually, I will say this. I recently, and shout out to Helena York

because I recently- Oh, I love Helena. She just donated to my campaign like a week ago. Helena is a queen and she's been on the show and we love her and shout out. But I recently was watching Helena York gave, I don't know why I fell down this wormhole, but it was Helena giving a like broadway.com

or whatever backstage tour of Bullets Over Broadway. The musical, which I did not see. Marty made a face. Marty made a face. No, I didn't. No, I didn't.

I love all theater. Marty loves all Woody Allen movies. No, Woody Allen can choke too. Well, Woody Allen can absolutely choke actually. He's a rapist. He needs to go.

We don't support. That is very true. Also, some T I found out, Woody Allen speaks fluent Korean. That's terrifying. I hate that. I hate that.

I hate that. You know why. You know why he speaks fluent Korean. Yes. So a friend of mine recently saw him arguing with Soon-Yi, and they were arguing in fluent Korean. And that's all I'll say about that. Was she arguing about how he stole her childhood and brainwashed her?

I mean, potentially. So basically, so Helena was given like this back backstage tour uh and so Helena played the Jennifer Tilly part Olive um the like bad actress and she was probably fucking phenomenal but do you know who played the Diane Weiss part was Maren Mazie and there's a part where she goes and knocks on Maren's door and she comes out and they have this gorgeous exchange and Maren Mazie like if you are if you love musical theater check out Maren Mazie she was also incredible in Ragtime we can never go back to before it's so good she is epic we are going to take a short break and then when we come back we're going to ask Mardigold Cummings the question The Question. CMH. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion.

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I am obsessed with Princess Diana. I wish I could show this entire bookshelf over here is all Princess Diana books. Wow. Wow, really? So when I... How much time do we have? We have a ton of time. So when I was a little kid, I was at the eye doctor with my grandmother in the waiting room.

And you know they have the magazines. And my grandmother is flipping... You know they have the magazines. You know they have magazines at the eye doctor. And my grandmother is flipping... That's Russian Relocution number 30. know, they have magazines at the eye doctor. And my grandmother, that's a real culture. Number 30, you know,

they have magazines at the eye doctor to really weed out the, the seers from the Nazi years. Yeah. So this, you know, I, do they still have magazines? I don't have health insurance.

I haven't been in a while, but you and Bowen need to get fucking health insurance. Okay. So this is a whole nother tangent, but I got beat up by the police. Uh, yeah. And we want to get fucking health insurance. I know. Okay, so this is a whole other tangent, but I got beat up by the police. Yes. And we want to talk about it. So I'm still concussed a little bit,

and I just got my first medical bill from it, and I'm like... $1,000? Wait. $953.13. Fuck. And that's for one of the four visits I've had. We are going to revisit this,

because I want everyone to hear this and I want to know how you're doing. But I'm pinning that, but Diana first. Let's talk about Lady Diana Spencer, the people's princess, and then we'll get into the police kicking the shit out of me.

The English rose herself. That's right. And then we talk about the police, the NYPD. Defund the police. So, Hashtag, I was at the eye doctor

when I was a very small child and my grandmother took me Peggy who my psychic later told me is my guardian angel

that's a whole other story do we stan Peggy Peggy's my girl I mean she's been dead for a long time but I love her Peggy my dad's mom

she was born in 1915 she's amazing the day I moved to New York City was the last time I ever saw her. She died two months later. But I sat in her bed. She lived next door. And I said, Grandma, I'm going to New York. I love you.

I'll see you in a couple months when I'm home. And she said, I was out to a lot of people. I wasn't out to her because she was born in 1915, a very different time. Three years after Titanic sank. So I was sitting on her bed, about to leave to New York, and she said, you know, I think God just makes gay people

the way they are, and they're born that way, and it's wonderful, and I love you. And that was the last thing my grandmother ever said to me. So I love Grandma Peg. My psychic says she's my guardian angel.

But when she took me to the eye doctor as a child, she was flipping through the magazine, and I saw a picture of Princess Diana, and I said, oh my God, that is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I love, who is this? I love this woman. Who is this woman? And my grandmother said, oh, she's this wonderful lady. She's a princess in England and she does a lot of good to help people. She really loves helping people. And she said she has a good heart and I know you have a good heart. And I remember that as a kid. And so I became fascinated with this princess with a good heart that my grandmother loved. And so I was a faggy child because I love Princess Diana.

All the other kids are like, I'm playing the sport ball stuff. And I'm like, I like Tara Reid. And you're like, I like Princess Diana. Diana Spencer of Althorpe. That's where she was born. Anyway, so that's her ancestral home. So when she died, we were camping in New Jersey. My parents had an RV that they would take to the beach.

And we were out roasting marshmallows. And I said, I'm going to go watch TV. And I turned on the news. And it said Diana died and I was crushed. So I made my parents the next day buy every newspaper

that they could find about this and I still have all those newspapers in a safe in my childhood home next to my Franklin Mint doll of Princess Diana

that I'd never taken out of the box. So anyway, also my wall over here is the original Time Magazine special report of her dying.

It's hanging next to my bed. I told my husband that we have to have that. So that's hanging on my wall here. The original magazine from 1997. But anyway, so when she died, I wrote about, I tell the story a lot, but I wrote, so this is the cultural moment, I guess, that you're asking. This is a long answer to your question. No, we love it.

So we went back to, we went to school. She died August 31 31st 1997 so i go to fifth grade and robin trimble my teacher who i later found out was a raging homophobe fucker uh she um she said i want you to write a five-page paper everybody and tell me what about your summer so i get a sense of your writing skills so i wrote my paper and it was called death of an icon the life and legacy of lady diana Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales. I got a C, and I cried. That title alone, you should have gotten an A for. You should have gotten an A for. My mom said, why do you think you got a C?

Why did you get a C? And I said, well, Mrs. Trimble said that I didn't do the assignment, that I didn't talk about what I did this summer. And my mom said, oh, no, no, no. My mom was a teacher at the school. She marched right in, and she goes, Marty's entire summer was affected by the death of this woman who he idolizes. I went by he at the time and now they then. You know, I've, as an adult,

learned who I am. You've become you. Yeah, I've become me. Who I was born to, who my grandmother said I was born to be by God. So anyway, so my mother demanded that she change the grade because my whole summer didn't matter because my idol died. So I got an A.

And then on my honeymoon, we were in Paris. And we stumbled upon the tunnel where she died. And I made my husband in 95 degree heat in Paris sit for like two hours at the entrance to this tunnel as I cried. You had to observe. You had to observe. Because I knew, I said, this is the last thing she saw.

This is the last thing she saw. I love Princess Diana so much. It's like a sick obsession. Oh my God. I have all these books. Oh my God. Whole shelf. Now, because you love Diana so much,

do you sort of keep up to date with the goings on of the royal family? Oh, yes. Prince Harry was my very first crush. And I love Sophie, Countess of Wessex, who's Edward's wife. I met Princess Beatrice once, my two dreams growing up.

I wanted to be on Broadway and to meet a member of the royal family. I've gotten fucked by a lot of people who have been on Broadway, never been on it myself. That's a way of the royal family. I've gotten fucked by a lot of people who have been on Broadway, never been on it myself. That's a way of being on Broadway, I feel. But my ex was on Broadway. My husband's played in the pit on Broadway a lot.

He's a viola player. And I met Princess Beatrice when I was a teenager. I was working at Isabella's, which was a restaurant on 77th and Columbus. And we were well known for brunch one time jenna bush came in i said i won't serve her but i i i hear she's cool now she's okay now i think yeah i think she's she's permissible now yeah so so so this is a true story this is an honest to god and you can call thomas mitchum and ask him my friend thomas that you can call thomas mitchum

and ask him if anybody questions the story so princess beatrice who at the time was fifth in line to the throne, she's now like 10th or 11th. She's way far down. We got a little Archie now and everything. So a little Charlotte, George, who I think is, yeah. George is unfortunately a homosexual. George is going to be hosting Drag Race UK before we know it.

Absolutely. Because he's not fracking. I mean, it's the truth. It is the truth. What are you going to do? So, ah! No, no, not that. I have questions.

Not that. Not that. I have questions about that for you later, too. We'll talk about it. Okay, so Princess Beatrice came. You guys, oh my God. Why am I?

Okay, anyway. This is far off of the protocol agenda I came here to talk about. This is perfect. So Princess Beatrice came into Isabella's and you can fact check with Thomas Mitchum. So anyway, so she comes in, and I said, oh my God, it's Herohannes Princess Beatrice. So we get a table cleared, and I'm shaking and crying at the host stand. I was the host.

I'm full on sobbing. But she was very nice. She sat on the curb of 77th street waiting for her table to be sat and I was like the fifth in line to the throne of England

is sitting on the curb get that fucking table set now sobbing so Suzy sobbing

Suzy the waitress I'm a crier okay keep going I'm about to cry telling this story I'm so excited reliving it so Suzy the waitress goes Suzy I'm a crier okay keep going I'm about to cry telling this story I'm so excited reliving it so

Susie the waitress goes Susie she's already iconic table 19 would like to see you table 19

is Princess Beatrice okay so I go to the table and I'm shaking and I'm sobbing and I have to compose myself

because this is Queen Her Majesty the Queen's granddaughter and you were at work and I'm sobbing and I have to compose myself because this is Queen Her Majesty the Queen's Grand Daughter and you were at work and I was at work and at work I got fired from that job

I don't care so this is many years ago I was like 19 years old so mind you Princess Beatrice and I I think we're the same age

and so I'm like convulsing over this teenage girl and and she goes Ella well she doesn't sound like that do it do the impression hello so at the time she still had protection officers from the government but the queen later got rid of that uh and now her dirty dad who should be in jail pays for her

protection but um i just watched the epsi documentary i i'm shocked uh that's a whole another conversation but so she goes could you her protection officers were eating outside and I just watched the Epstein documentary. I'm shocked. That's a whole other conversation. So she goes, her production officers were eating outside. And she goes, could you make a very fruity gay drink and take it to my production officers and sing happy birthday? She has gay protection? Go, go, go. No, she asked me to do this. So I go up to Thomas Mitchell, my friend, who is the bartender.

You can fact check. And I said, I need the prettiest drinks you can make. And I take them to the productions and I'm shaking, but I couldn't sing happy birthday. I was so nervous. I just dropped the drinks. She calls me back over to the table. She goes, oh, how did it go? And this is honest to God's truth.

You can fact check it with Susie, the waitress or Thomas Mitchell. I do not lie. I'm not a liar. This is the true story. And I'm so embarrassed that I'm telling this. So I say, oh, your highness. And her friends are like laughing and I'm calling her your highness. And I'm like, your highness, I'm so embarrassed that I'm telling this. So I say, oh, your highness, and her friends are like laughing and I'm calling her your highness.

And I'm like, your highness, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous. I'm such a pussy. I couldn't do it.

And then I go, oh my God, I just said pussy to a princess. And I started crying the most guttural. I just said pussy to a princess, title of app. Title of app. Title of app. I just, and to a princess title of app title of app I just and I started and she and she hugged me and she said you're

very charming it's very nice to meet you and then she asked me where Urban Outfitters was and I had to do everything in my power not to be like oh of course you're Fergie's daughter of course so I got very upset that she wanted to go to Urban Outfitters not to be like, oh, of course, you're Fergie's daughter, of course.

So I got very upset that she wanted to go to Urban Outfitter. But she was very lovely and she was very kind. And she was very, very, she was very funny and very nice. And I have to say that having a rural encounter, it was now like many years later, I'm like that is the best way to have had a rural encounter because she was so down to earth. And she was with her like boyfriend who, she lived in New so down to earth. And she was with her boyfriend who, she lived in New York at the time,

and she was with her boyfriend and her friends. And she was just grateful that somebody like, did you hear that? Yeah, what was that? Marty, are you okay? What was that? Did you fart? No, it was a,

what's going on out there? Oh my God. Is everybody okay? Do you feel safe? I think it's a firework. Oh's going on out there oh my god is there was a pop i think it's a firework there's oh yeah there's been fireworks the neighbors are shooting off fireworks um for the queers and uh yeah so anyway it was the best experience and i feel like i feel like i i kind of met diana because she diana was her aunt so in a way i met diana well that was i obviously meant a lot to you yeah so much to me i want to know too like what's your take on the harry and megan of it all i love prince harry he was my first crush because he looked like greg who was in my third grade class who i had a crush on who i mean he's he's hot he's so hot and i bet he's so hot. Say it, say it, say it. No, no.

He's so hot. And I love Megan. I think she is incredible. And I think that they're going to do such incredible things with their new platform. And I think that he's following in the footsteps of his mom. And I think Megan is so beautiful. And I love her mom.

Her mom at the wedding was so beautiful watching her. And I think, I just think she's so beautiful and so incredible. And I hope that the royal family someday welcomes them back in because I think that they, the royal family needs a shaking up and a modernization. And I think Meghan and Harry are like the ticket. And I love them. I was thinking that too, that Harry has some of Diana's spirit in terms of like wanting to disengage for the right reasons, like not wanting to play the game of being in that family too much. He wants to be of service to other people. And I think that if you're in the

public eye in any form, even if you're not in the public eye, just being a human being, you should be of service to other people, right? Like our world is a scary place. As we talked about earlier, we have to be of service, use our voices. So many people are experiencing homelessness. So many people are experiencing income insecurity and food insecurity and aren't knowing how they're going to pay their bills. We have people who have been out of work for three months. We have undocumented people who don't have access to unemployment, who are scared of what's going to happen. we have people who've been out of work for three months we have undocumented people who don't have access to unemployment who are scared of what's going to happen we have we have people who need help so it's it's incumbent on all of us to come together and be of service to other people and and uh i also think that i mean flat out the way that she was being treated

was abusive it's the way that the way that she was being spoken about um she was being attacked she was each and every day by the media she was killed by the paparazzi she was murdered by the paparazzi yes she she she was and she was certainly en route to being treated similarly to and she was being treated similarly to princess diana and honestly i think harry must have trauma all his life. Well, he said that. He said he has PTSD. Whenever he hears the cameras clicking, he thinks of his mom.

It's traumatic. He was a child. He was a young child. He was like 13 years old. He lost his beloved mother. I think that he did the right thing on every level. And I think that it's really gross. You know who's one of the most disgusting people in the world?

It's Piers Morgan. Oh, garbage. Trash. We don't need to talkiers Morgan. Oh, garbage. Trash. We don't need to talk about him. No, no. What a piece of cow dung. Yeah, he is dung. He's absolute dung.

Absolute dung. And I just want to point out that Marty Gould Cummings tied their ruminations on Prince Harry back to their campaign. And that is beautiful, beautiful campaign work happening right there. Wait, can we talk about, okay, can we shift gears? And this is a little bit of a happening right there wait can we talk about okay can we shift gears and this is a little bit of a tone shift too let's talk about well first of all I want to lead with your testimony at the city council public

committee for public safety that was iconic you were unbelievable unbelievable you and I Marty you and I were DMing throughout the whole thing oh yeah thanks for sharing that you're very sweet of course but like it started at, what, 10 a.m.? And then it lasted until... And then you didn't testify until, what, 4 p.m.?

Until about 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon. I think probably around 3 o'clock. At, like, 2 o'clock, I was DMing you. I was like, are you going to go up? I was like, what? This is going on for so long. What was so infuriating about that is... Oh, it's 11.11. Make a wish. it's 11 11 make a wish make a wish i wish

uh so the hearing of public safety was for uh to get testimony from the nypd about their actions during this black lives matter, how they treated protesters, particularly during the curfew that the mayor put in place. So a lot of city council members were there. They all asked questions, a lot of questions. It took a long time. Yes. But what was, I don't mind the city council members asking questions because they want to hear what they have to say. And we need the council members to do their job, which they did in questioning the NYPD.

So we should say that the commissioner was not present. The commissioner, Shea, was not there, but he sent the deputy. What a bitch move. Who was? I think it's important to say deputy commissioner of police is a black man. To me, it felt like strategic in a way for them to put him out there as the face of the NLPG. Absolutely. And be like, hey, don't grill him too hard.

He also has his own intersectional experience with this whole thing. I've met Commissioner Shea a while ago at something, and he probably doesn't remember me, but he wasn't very nice. Lea Michele. He's the Lea Michele of cops. He's the Lea Michele of cops. It's a rule of culture number 101.

Commissioner Shea is the Lea Michele of cops. He should resign and the mayor should resign, and I am full force in saying that. And I don't know a lot of other candidates who have said that. But what the mayor did with that curfew in itself to me was racist and wrong. Because a lot of people who are essential workers who work at night are members of our black and brown community, are members of our immigrant community. And a lot of people who, they sent the alert out on smartphones pretty soon to when the curfew was taking place.

A lot of people might not have access to a smartphone. Not everybody has access to a smartphone and they only put it out in English, which is wrong. So people were being arrested and put in these situations with the police where they shouldn't have been to begin with. We should say during a pandemic and also illegally because it's illegal to arrest essential workers. Yes, and they were still doing it.

And it's so insane. So during the testimony, the police were giving lie after lie after lie after lie after lie, after lie, after lie, after lie. And so by the time it got to my testimony, I'm so proud of everybody who testified. It is incredibly, hearing some of their stories, you know, it was incredibly courageous to hear from people. Shout out to Matt Goering. Shout out.

We have a friend who testified, who was arrested on his own porch, on his own front steps along with the delivery worker and there was somebody who's I can't remember their name but this trans person who was beaten so badly they urinated on themselves

and then they were misgendered they were made fun of and mocked by the police the whole night and their testimony was on there so it's public record you can see it I can't remember their name but they were so brave telling their story I was so pissed because during my testimony it was on a zoom so you could

see the people and I saw that the three cops who were testifying were no longer in the room and I got pissed because how dare you subject us to your lies saying that you provided masks for people. No, you didn't saying that you didn't beat people. Yes, you did. I have a concussion and I have the $953 fucking medical bill to prove it. You, you have, you have them saying,

oh, we were only arresting agitators and looters. That is not true. When I was arrested on the West side highway, I was marching with my hands in the air peacefully with a group of people. And they started coming towards these girls who were like 115 pounds with their batons swinging. So my group of friends and I circled them and they just came for us. It's wrong. And they lied continuously. The treatment in jail was horrible. The treatment was horrible for me. It was even worse for people of color, the way they treat it, black people they arrested. It's wrong. And so to hear them lying under oath was so annoying and so aggravating. So when they said, oh, your time is up, I said, not today.

I'm going to keep going because people need to hear it. And every single person who was arrested should tell their story. In the interest of really understanding what happened, could you just walk us through what happened? So you were protesting. And what happened? Well, I started out at a regular march. And then I went to Stonewall for the vigil for our black trans community. You know, Tony McDade, Nina Pop, Lailin Polanco, people who have been killed by either violence or police violence.

And so it was a huge gathering of people. And we marched through the West Village and through the city and ended up on the West Side Highway. And right after 8 o'clock, the police came down the highway with their batons. Literally, there's a video of it. You can see the video on Instagram. Swinging. And they go in. And I didn't realize this.

My husband, I remember seeing my friend Nathan go down and seeing the look in his face. And I remember pushing my husband out of the way and the baton. I don't remember this, but he saw this, but I pushed him out of the way. The baton that was going to hit him is what hit me in the head. And then they, uh, the next thing I remember I was having a cup, you know, like, or you're under arrest and standing me up in the video, there's four cops on me. I, so the doctors think I blacked out for a minute because I don't have that. I have no recollection of four cops on top of me. Yeah, wow.

But I remember when I realized what was happening, I said to myself, I'm so grateful I'm sober because I have a program of recovery that's taught me, um, prayer and meditation and taught me, um, how to just tap in conscious contact is what we call it. Conscious contact with higher power to just tap in. And I knew in that moment, I said, if you, if you freak out, you're going to get really hurt. And if you, you're going to have a panic, you're going to, you're going to lose your mind. So the entire time was just, okay, you need to focus. I think it's like that fight or flight mode. I was like, I need to focus and pay attention to every single thing that's around me.

What do their faces look like? Do I see badge numbers? What are those numbers? What are their names? What are they telling me? You know and and really focusing and listening to every single thing that happened uh because I was like you know you're gonna have to tell this story and you need to have it factual as best as you can

and I didn't even know I had a concussion until I got home from jail I was arrested at 8 15 p.m and I and I walked out of the jail at 7 20 a.m and i didn't know i had a concussion until later that day my husband and my roommate were like you look insane like my eyes were going all over the place i was slurring my words so that's when i went to the the hospital marty i'm so sorry and then the next day my arm was giving you know i had this really bad you know, there's like nerve stuff from being in cuffs for so long. But, you know, but I look at it as, you know, my experience with the police was traumatic and terrible and scary.

But because I was born a white person in America, I got to go home and live. We're protesting because so many people, even during these protests, like we talked about with Atlanta, people are being murdered by the police. Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on the police force getting taxpayer dollars. They have not been arrested or charged. We have police officers. I went to a rally at city hall where over 10 families spoke about their loved ones in New York city being killed by the police, innocent people, unarmed people, some people who had mental health issues and the police didn't know how to handle it. So their reaction is to kill them. And all of the officers are on the police force still so i got to walk away with my life because i was born white

but we're marching because how many people have died have continued to die and how many people do we not know about because we just now have cameras to be able to show what's happening you know how many people has this happened to before so yeah, my interaction with the police was shitty, but we're marching because people are dying because of the systemic racism that this country has put in place that has allowed cops to get away with murder. I mean, just hearing you talk about this and just seeing things happen on the ground, um, from ground from all the protesters, especially Black protesters, it just, as a New Yorker,

and I'm sure Matt agrees with this, and I'm sure you agree with this, it just feels like the curfew itself bore out so much trauma for our city that I don't think, I don't see us recovering from this trauma in a way that makes us trust institutions again, or especially the police, that makes us trust at least Bill de Blasio or just like people we elect. I mean, like, it's just so hard. I mean, the only sell for this

is through our elections, through voting and through voting for people like you. Yeah. And look at who people are getting donations from. Look at who's funding people's campaigns. Who is in bed with the police unions? Who is in bed with the real estate corporations? You know, Andrew Cuomo, the governor the other day, people are like, oh, I'm a homosexual. Don't be, because the other day he said, oh, we repealed 50A. You guys won. Stop protesting. No, we're not going to stop protesting. 50A is

one law out of a lot of injustices that are happening. Like I said, Breonna Taylor's murderers are still on payroll where she's from. You know, there are nypd cops who are on payroll eric gardner's killer is not in jail and bill de blasio is the mayor that kept him on the force for five years making six figures after we all saw eric gardner murder for what for selling a lucy's cigarette do you know how many lucy's cigarettes i bought at the bodega over the years? I don't smoke anymore. Okay, kids, don't worry. Don't smoke. I don't smoke anymore.

But, you know, I used to love a Camel Crush, goddammit. And back in the day, no more. Healthy. Very healthy. Don't eat meat either. Very healthy. But, that's insane that somebody would be murdered for that. So, Bill de Blasio is a piece of shit.

And look at who's running for office, what they stand for, who's saying to defend the police, who's putting policy together to make that happen, and who's working to make sure that the communities that have been impacted the most are going to get those funds. Who are the people who are working to get things right in this city and this country? And who are the ones who are going to just keep the status quo. Bill de Blasio is complicit. Andrew Cuomo saying, even him saying, you know, stop protesting, you've won. No, we haven't. Him saying, oh, no, we're not going to take down the Columbus statue because of Italian heritage. Columbus was a rapist and a murderer. Put a

statue of the Lenape people who the Manhattan belonged to. Put a statue honoring them. Put a statue of the Lenape people who the Manhattan belonged to. Put a statue honoring them. Put a statue honoring, you know, leaders who have done things, not fucking rapists and murderers. It's really crazy. The Columbus of it all is like a national scar. It's really crazy.

And the fact that he's celebrated every year. It's ridiculous. And then people are talking about, you know, there's a whole argument over Confederate statues. There's a statue in New York. Forget it. I don't know the guy's name. I can't remember his name, but he was a doctor. There's a statue of him in New York. He was a doctor who performed surgeries

on black women and black children. And people say, oh, he did all these great things for medicine. He mut on black women and black children and people say oh he did all these great things for medicine but he mutilated black women and children's bodies right against their against their will he stole that these people and mutilated their bodies i don't give a fuck what scientific stuff he came up with he did it at the cost of human life and there's a statute to him in new york and that statute needs to be torn down and thrown in the fucking river too. Yeah, this idea that because things are quote-unquote history,

it's like that's a history that you want to acknowledge. And you, because you're in power, got to decide that still stands. That is not history. It's like this weird thing that history is canon for everyone. It's like let's really get real about this. You can teach history without idolizing people. It's illegal to have statues of Hitler in Germany. They still learn what happened because it's a historical thing.

We can learn about these things, but idolizing people with a statue is fucking wrong and disgusting. I would love for you, if you're able, to spotlight some people that you are excited about that are going to be running outside of yourself. Who should we we be looking at in new york or around the country in new york around the country i want to know who are you excited about in new york i'm excited for uh my friend elisa crespo who's running for city council of the bronx when she wins her seat she'll be the first trans woman um to hold office in uh new york city council uh trans woman of color my friend um

kristin richardson uh jordan who's running in the council district next to mine would be the first um black queer woman to hold office in the new york city council my friend sammy oliveros who is running for district leader in new york right now um uh who else is running that i just love um uh i saw she tweeted. Um, you met Eliza Orleans tonight. She's running. Yeah.

She's running for, she's running for DA. Uh, my, my friend Janos is also running for DA. I like them both very much. And, and,

and, uh, uh, I think, I think they're both really great. Um, Megan McCain blocked me. Um,

she did. Oh my God. That is another badge of honor. That's a Leah Michelle, like being the drag queen at Leah Michelle. Hey, did you tweet her? Did you tweet at her? Like, cause there that is a badge of honor. That's a Lea Michele, like being the drag queen that Lea Michele hates. Did you tweet at her because of something dumb that she said?

Well, she said something about how she loves, you know, LGBTQ people and I was like, your husband runs the Federalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's the tea. It is the tea. And also, I have bad news for everyone who loves Lea on Real Housewives of New York. Contributed to the Federalist. Look it up.

Yeah, not great. Oh, Ramona. Ramona called me a he-she once. Shut up. Fuck, Ramona. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I hope Ramona dies alone. I really, I don't.

She called me a he-she once. We were doing a radio interview together years ago and she brought hair and makeup and I was like, we're on the radio. I didn't say that, Drew, but I just thought, I was like, who is this? Like, we're on the fucking radio and you're getting your hair and makeup done like get out of here uh and she brought like her she brought like her jewelry line to show and I was like we're on the radio uh and then she she said something she goes I don't remember the context

of it but she goes oh you know you're like a he, she or whatever. And I was like, nope. Oh, brother. Actually a person. This was before I came out as non-binary. I was like 20 years old when this happened. And that made me like feel, I knew I was like different, you know, I didn't have the language for it at the time I identified as, you know, like a gay man. But I knew that there was something that I wasn't connecting with, you know.

Well, flat out. I mean, that's it right there. I mean, if you need a definition of privilege privilege it's Ramona fucking singer thinking she can say whatever she wants because she's on Real Housewives of New York it really impacted me in such a negative way for like a long time and I and and now when I watch her on TV I mean I love the housewives I mean we all love I love the house but when I watch it my husband gets so mad because we'll be watching it every single time Ramona comes on the screen.

I go, I hate Ramona. I fucking hate her. On the record, I hate her. What's good about her? What is good about her? He gets so frustrated. He's like, Marty, I know, I know, I know. And I'm like, no, but it needs to be said again.

Who do you like? What's your Housewives moment? I mean, Dorinda has always been so lovely. who do you like like what's your what's your housewives moment like what's your i i mean dorinda has always been so lovely every time you know i uh i have dorinda's number two i call her um dorinda's dorinda's always been lovely to me i i i like dorinda um it's a little it's a little dark for me this season well you know it was not great this season. Dorinda, you know, I think it's like she said she never got to mourn Richard. She was with John

for a long time. She's now, Hannah's out of the house. She's not with John. Her home that she loves was like, you know, she had to redo it because of this flood

or whatever that happened. And I think she's coming into, she's, you know, I think. Compassionate queen you are. I don't want to speak for Dorinda, but I feel like i you know i think compassionate queen you are i don't want to speak for it but i feel like you know for so many people you you you when you're raising a family or you're married or all this stuff you you're so invested in making sure that everybody else is okay that you forget to take care of yourself and i think dorinda's having this dark moment because she's like who am I yeah

you know she's like what does Dorinda like what makes Dorinda happy and she's figuring that out and I think that now that Tinsley is gone she doesn't have anyone easy to pick on so it's gonna we're gonna see it turn inward very quickly I miss Carol I love Carol

Bowen identifies as a Carol. She's a princess. I'm a Carol. You know that? She's a Kennedy, you know? She's a Kennedy. She is a Kennedy princess. No, she's a princess.

She married a prince or something, didn't she? Yeah, it's rule of culture number 53. Carol Radswell is a Kennedy princess. I also can't believe I'm still sitting in my hip pads right now. Oh my God. Do you watch Beverly Hills?

Girl, girl, is the grass green? Yes, I watch Beverly Hills. I love Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills is where it's at, but they're on a hiatus right now.

And why? Because all the previews said, we're going to know this Denise and, and Brandy situation, but now it's gone until July. I need to know. I need to know. I'm Denise Richards.

I'm on the magazines. You wish you were on work, bitch. I love Denise. And also, can I say something? Bowen, are you caught up with Beverly Hills? I don't watch any of Beverly Hills. But I'm happy to hear you guys talk about it. Okay, so Denise Richards is the best thing that's happened to the show in a long time.

And you can tell the reason that they're targeting her is because they all cannot deal with the fact that she's the fan favorite. Oh man. Her husband's a wackadoodle though. Oh whack job. Bowen you need to get up to date because he is like one of those crazy conspiracy theory persons. Wackadoodle Dundee. He is

nuts. But Denise, okay in her confessional. Is that what they call it? The confessional or whatever? Yeah, the talking head confessional, whatever. Her confessional. She looks like her character from Drop Dead Gorgeous, but grown up. Becky Ann Lehman.

She is Becky Ann Lehman, all grown up in this confessional. And even she's wearing the pink toddlers and tiaras outfit that she's wearing in one of the confessional. Forget it. Oh my God. I'm like, forget it. Oh, my God. I love Erika Jayne. Love Erika Jayne. Doritos too much for me. I can't with her.

I'm not into Doritos. I always and forever love Kyle. And Mauricio is, I want to have an OnlyFans with Mauricio. I love him. Can I say Mauricio? I'm not speculating. I love Kyle. Kyle is what I see when I look in the mirror. But I will say this. What's the deal with

Mauricio? He has not been around. And that's all I'll say about that one. What? He's on like five episodes a season. Girl, there's something going down. Stop it. No, I refuse. It's too much with Kelly and her divorce. I'm not going to talk about... I love Kyle and Maur down. Stop it. I can't. No, I refuse. No, it's too much with Kelly and her divorce. I'm not going to talk about.

I love Carla Maurizio. Stop it. Are you excited about the return of Miss Brandy? Brandy Glanville? Well, I don't like Brandy. I mean, who likes Brandy? But she's come back to stir it up. Fucking, fucking Denise.

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Okay, we're back. I think it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in culture that's just getting on our nerves. It could be anything that's going on in the world right now. It could be something that's happening on a personal level or on a global level. It's up to the reader.

It's up to the person to rail against what they want to rail against. I just want to say, oh, no, I'll save this for the end. Okay, let's go. Oh, really? Well, we know there's something coming. There's something coming. Matt, do you have something?

Something wicked this way comes. I do. Can you time me? Yes, absolutely. I do have something because something actually came up on Twitter today, and I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing. Oh, my goodness. Okay, all right.

So this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Many As. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The NYU culture right now, all you little NYU Twinkie gays are getting online and talking shit about Timothee Chalamet

spreading rumors that he spread chlamydia while he was in New York at NYU saying that he is a chlamydia fiend. I don't think so, honey. First of all, if you are a 20-year-old at NYU

and you think you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who's up with Timothee Chalamet, let me tell you something right now. No 20-year-old at NYU and you think you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who's up with Timothee Chalamet, let me tell you something right now. No 20-year-old at NYU knows a fucking thing. You don't know anything for a fact. I don't think so, honey. You remind me of me when I was 18-year-old saying I, quote-unquote, knew for a fact that James Franco banged everyone on my floor.

I didn't know shit for a fact. I was a liar for attention. I see you guys getting on twitter and you are little me's and you're trying to take the actor at the moment timothy chalamet and you're trying to slander him also why are you spreading harmful things about someone's sexual health also i have to say this chlamydia is not a big fucking deal you need to grow up i don't think so honey if you think chlamydia is a big deal be a grown-up like me and get syphilis and williams breath from someone who worked for good Morning America or so he said. Until then, I

don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. That was so saturated with information. That's what I have to say. I have to say there's a lot of little twinks online right now, and I quote retweeted one of them who were like, the fact of the matter is I know for a fact that Timothee Chalamet

gave everyone at Chlamydia at NYU is the Chlamydia at nri and well nyu is the chlamydia of colleges but gave everyone nyu chlamydia i was like you know what you don't know this for a fact you're a 20 year old looking for attention online oh my god he's coming for the gen zers well it was such a funny too because he was like i know someone who knows someone who knows someone who slept with timothy chalamet and got chlamydia. And it's like, first of all, bitch, why are you talking about someone's sexual health? This is very 20 years old of you. Second of all, bitch, you do not know that because this is a game of telephone that I

cannot co-sign on. Third of all, bitch, I was you talking shit about James Franco back in the day, and I know I was lying. Fourth of all, bitch, chlamydia is not a big deal. Like I said, chlamydia, not a big deal like I said. Chlamydia, you take a pill and you get better. And if it's true, let the child spread the chlamydia.

Get on my level and get syphilis. And that's a rule of culture number 66. Get on my level and get syphilis. I got the monster of all STIs and let me tell you something, it was not, quote unquote unquote a day in the park Marty is scandalized

Marty's scandalized I think that was a beautiful beautiful beautiful rumor spreading I don't like the stigma around STIs and I don't like the stigma around sexuality and I think that people are just they get really excited and the fact of the matter is Timothee Chalamet is who all the

young girls are beating off to nowadays so they can't wait to talk about how much they quote unquote know him and know about him is he the one from the call me call me your name yes okay yes call me by your name famously if you're going to stigmatize stis then that is a hair away from you saying um that sex work should be criminalized. Should be criminalized. It's also slut shaming, which we know is wrong. No, no,

you're, Bowen, you're not kidding. I'm, I'm, I'm being, I'm, I'm,

this is a bad faith argument I'm making. This is all, that's all I'm saying. Let's just say this. There was a lot of things that I don't think so honey on this day and I picked you, NYU twinks causing drama.

Shut up. I have a similar I Don't Think So Honey, actually. Wow. And I love to hear that. Thematically similar. And speaking of your I Don't Think So Honey, it might be time for you. Now, here's the thing, Bowen. I famously got into a bike accident last week and my phone was shattered. So I am unable to

time you. So do you mind timing yourself? Of course. Here, I'll do it. I'm doing well, by the way. My wounds are healing actually really, really quickly. I think I'm kind of an X-Men time you so do you mind timing yourself of course here i'll do i'm doing well by the way i have my wounds are healing actually really really quickly i'm actually i think i'm kind of an x-men with the way i'm healing it's really kind of crazy that's cool that's great i'm happy i'm happy you're healing and you're recovering anyway yes sorry marty is very lost okay here we go this is bowen yanks i don't think so, and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey,

people who, A, posted that whole Gen Z versus millennials TikTok thread. I mean, it was funny. But, no, this is the thing. B, the person on Twitter, I can't find their handle. I mean, they were being very funny, but they said that that sounds like

an episode of Las Culturistas that you and I talk in terms of being like I'm a Hufflepuff I hate adulting we have never let it be known on the record that Matt and I have never not once said the word adulting I abhor that word as much as the Gen Zers do

we talk about Harry Potter maybe once a year and I at this point fucking hate Harry Potter and I reject it wholesale and I truly whatever like you know Harry Potter and I reject it wholesale and I truly whatever like you know what the Gen Zers someday they're going to be in our position and then they're going to look back at the younger generation

creeping up behind them and think oh no we were the cool ones back in the day when COVID was a thing so just everyone let's stay in our lanes. Let's all coexist as generations. You're not going to okay boomer us.

And that's one minute. You're actually not going to okay boomer us. I lost steam. No, no, Bowen, it was wonderful. And you know what? It brings up a really great social point, which is that Gen Z will get old. Okay?

And we love Gen Z so much. We love Billie Eilish so much. Speak for yourself. And I knew you'd bring up Billie Eilish. And also the fact of the matter is, I don't like that it's all on Billie Eilish's shoulders to represent Gen Z. Where's Lorde?

Where'd she go? Where the fuck is Lorde? It's actually rule of culture number one. Where the fuck is Lorde? No, she was supposed to release new music, but then her dog passed away. So she's really traumatized. So she's taking time to work on,

I think a dog album, which I'm looking forward to. It's very Miley Cyrus and her dead pets. I'm going to say on mic, I love that for Lorde. I love that for Lorde too. You know that's going to be a good album. Well, Lorde is one of the great young artists.

I agree. I agree. Marty is shell shocked right now. What's going through your mind right now, Marty? Just happy to be here. Marty, this is Marty's first time really observing.

I don't know. Observing. Yes. Yes. And we're so happy that Marty's here. Okay. Marty, would you like to do an,

I don't think so, honey? You're required to, I should say. Well, you brought up Harry Potter, which was going to be my. Do it,

do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Okay. Marty, this is Marty Gould Cummings. I don't think so, honey. going to be my... Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Okay, this is Marty Gould Cummings. I don't think so, honey.

Their time starts now. I don't think so, honey. J.K. Rowling, in the middle of a pandemic and a Black Lives Matter movement, decides to become a TERF and talk about how trans women aren't women. Well, guess what, J.K. Rowling? I don't give a fuck about your LaGuardia Liviosa, bitch. All right? Harry Potter went into the women's bathroom all the time to talk to Moni Myrtle and nothing

happened. So get the fuck together, all right? Also, trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary people are themselves. So get your shit together and focus on what's really happening. We're in a pandemic where people are dying

and getting sick and governments aren't paying attention. People aren't wearing masks and we have black people who are being killed by systemic racism by the American police forces. So we need to defund the police.

Get your act together or we're going to shut the fuck down. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. And on another thing, I didn't even like that fucking spider.

It was a dumb plot point. Oh, I don't know anything else to say about it. Aragog. Aragog. The Ichabod Aragog? Aragog's a little bitch. 15.

So are you, JK Rowling. Get your shit together, you turf. 10 more seconds. I'm sorry. I don't have anything else to say. JK Rowling, focus on what matters.

Focus on what matters. And trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are themselves. And you can't take that away from us. And that's one minute. Oh my goodness. I got it all out in 30 seconds.

I didn't need to say anything else. Forget it. You really laid in. And honestly, that was a speed and rapidity that we aspire to. That we aspire to. And you really nailed J.K. Rowling. And I have to say,

as someone who loves an Orlando theme park, it is frustrating to me, but I'm going to be bypassing. Harry Potter World saved my life once. Can you go on? Go on. Go on, please. Continue. How did Harry Potter World save your life? Okay.

I want to know. Harry Potter World saved my life. I had to go to the drive-by. It's actually rule of culture number 64. Harry Potter world saved my life it's actually rule of culture number 64 Harry Potter world saved my life once so my husband loves Disney theme parks and loves amusement parks

and so we were in Florida and during Halloween season and he was like we have to go to Halloween horror fright night whatever at Universal it is scary bitch so I said sure I haunted houses

okay so sidebar I got hired to do a haunted house with Alyssa Edwards and Roxy Andrews once and I felt so bad scaring the people

that I would apologize to them when I scared and they were like you need to stop and I'd be like boo oh I'm so sorry

I'm so sorry and I felt bad with alissa and roxy and and all these other drag queens uh anyway sorry sorry i i think i had like i i felt bad because once when i was in like fourth grade i peed my pants in a haunted house that my brother worked at uh oh marty anyway okay so moving on i Universal. And these, people are all in costumes. You know, whatever. So, I see this girl in a cheerleader costume. I said, oh, I'll find a little cheerleader costume.

How cute. And I'm, you know, waving at the cheerleader. And look at the little rah-rah girl. And then she reaches behind this bush and pulls out the biggest chainsaw I've ever seen. Yep. And this cheerleader, you know, Ashley or Megan or whoever, we'll call her Karen. That's the thing to call them now. Yeah, let's call her Karen.

So Karen's chasing me with this chainsaw and I'm screaming. So my husband and all of our friends are laughing, having a good old time watching me die. And I'm crying and screaming. And then she does the signal. And two more cheeliters of chainsaws come out. Oh, no. You gave yourself away. I thought I was going to die.

So there was a taco truck. And I got in the line because they can't get you in the food line. And they literally were like like you can't stay there all day so then by this time there's like six or seven cheerleaders with chainsaws and I I can get through a haunted house

but I hate the chainsaw because what if what if one of them is nuts and they put the chain on it and really try to well come on they make it I also think we were at the same year because it was like it was what you're

describing. It was like it was like a junior prom gone crazy. Blue and white cheerleader outfits as little bitches. We went the same year.

So Harry Potter. So I see the door and I didn't know what it was, but I said, I'm going in there and I opened this door and all of a sudden

I was in Diagon Alley. Now, Harry Potter Diagon Alley, the Diagon Alley is not allowed to have the Horror Night because it's a different theme. So when I tell you I rode the Gringotts Bank Ride. It's so good. I said I'm not leaving until the park closes. I'm staying in here in Harry Potter World.

So J.K. Rowling is a stupid TERF yeah harry potter world saved your life saved my life from those wretched little cheerleaders who frankly they brought they looked like trump supporters they live in florida absolutely well they were lived in florida i also have to say one thing i have to say one thing about harry potter books harry potter films harry potter theme parks whatever don't let jk rowling being a jerk and a turf take the experience that you had with the books away I thought Daniel Radcliffe put it really beautifully because if you have a relationship and you got to read Daniel Radcliffe's sort of statement on this matter because I thought it was beautiful and I really love him and I give him a hug wherever he is

if you got something out of that book that was about how love can conquer all about how you know this the the evilness that is a purification of race is something to be chased out of the world if you got positive things out of the book if they're a part of your childhood no one can ever take that from you and I thought that was really beautiful and you know what she she's Voldemort she's been changed by her wealth and she's been changed and she is not able to recognize her privilege any longer and she is a different thing but your experience with the books and with the films and with your enjoyment with that content is yours and don't let it be ruined for you that's my message you know what harry potter

books did to me radcliffe's message they Love Daniel Radcliffe. What a sweetie. I wish Rosie Donald Show was still around so he could be a guest on it. But bring it back. Bring it back. Bring it back. Of course. I loved the Harry Potter books until the final book came out on my 21st birthday. And everybody left my birthday party to go get in line at Barnes and Nobles.

Shut up. For all you Gen Zers who are coming for my millennialness, Barnes and Nobles. Shut up. For all you Gen Zers who are coming for my millennialness, Barnes and Nobles is a bookstore if you know what a book is, you little bitch. Yeah. Learn about books. How about that?

Learn about books. Learn about books. Don't ever come for the books in the bookstores. Before we go, I did want to ask you, I don't want you to leave without asking about this,

but like, so you've been a drag artist for years. Over a decade, yeah. Yeah, over a decade. So you kind of have seen like drag race explode drag into this next level. I recently found cleaning out my papers. Do you remember a couple,

at the beginning of the pandemic, is that a weird sentence? Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, is that a weird sentence? Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, the national, international nightmare? At the beginning of the pandemic, I posted my season two audition tape on my Instagram. Oh my gosh. How many years did you audition? And I posted the video because I was going through my papers and I found the note card

that RuPaul used to sign himself being like thank you for it was like a printed card but then RuPaul would like sign it

being like thank you for auditioning for RuPaul's Records for season two and I found that and I said I am going to post my season two

audition wow and it's there it's? It's there. It's there. It's there. I'm grateful that human beings

can evolve and grow and learn. Yes. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I get you. Because I started drag

before YouTube tutorials so everybody, every drag queen had to have a messy phase. Mine just happened the last six or seven years. I know what you're saying. I get you. Because I started drag before YouTube tutorials. So everybody, every drag queen had to have a messy phase. Mine just happened to last six or seven years. But, you know, every drag queen has to have a messy phase. Now these girls come out looking, you know, tilapia. Wait, did you just hear me stutter during that? Tilapia! They just look so beautiful because they look at the interweb and paint

before they come out. I didn't have the luxury of that, you know, dial up. And so, so I, I was very, um,

unfortunate looking. You were a dial up queen. But the fact of the matter is like you, what you were was authentic. Yeah. But you know, I, I worked, I worked and I'll tell you why. Yeah, but, you know, I worked.

I worked, and I'll tell you why. Talent. Yeah. You know, I don't want to say, I'm not a great queen, but I know what my strengths are. And I think, you know, a lot of these queens today, listen, you can look beautiful, but if you can't hold an audience by yourself on stage for an hour.

You are an incredible queen queen you're an incredible queen you are you are inspirational and i i feel like if drag race has made people think that being an incredible queen means showing up with a perfect face and a perfect shaped body in terms of how you constructed it and being able to be good at snatch game Game, et cetera, et cetera. Let's just say for a second that that is not drag. That is being a Drag Race contestant. So you are unbelievable. I love the show. I love watching the show.

Of course, we all love the show. Yeah, I love the show. I love seeing my friends on it, and I love meeting new friends because of it, getting to work with Queen. I've worked with so many of them. I'm filming something. I mean, it will be out by the time this airs, So I can say I'm filming a Netflix panel with a bunch of drag

race girls. And I'm very lucky in my career that I've been able to have a career that many drag race girls have without the show. I'm very, I'm very fortunate. And for whatever reason, the universe has, has made, I'm very lucky. And, and I, and I think it's important, like I said earlier, whenever you have anything like that in your life, use it to be of service to people. So I hope my drag is an opportunity to show people that yes, you can be funny and silly and do fun stuff and, you know, tell silly stories about saying I'm a pussy in front of a princess. But at the end of the day, I hope if anybody takes anything away from my drag, I hope it's that, you know, drag is political.

Drag is an act of political revolution in itself. Use your drag to be of service and use your platform to be of service. And you have an opportunity to really help and educate people. That's why I love shows like We're Here, you know, Dragnificent. I was so grateful to do Shade Queens when we did that.

I love the Boulay Brothers. Dragula shows a whole new side of drag where there's drag kings and all different types of drag artists. And I think, you know, I love seeing, you know, Jan and Jackie and Britta are great friends of mine, and I loved seeing them this season. And I can't wait to see who's on the next season. And I like that Drag Race put out a statement about the fans this week. You know, the fans are so vicious to those girls and say the most racist, awful stuff.

And it's terrible. That's not what drag is about. You know, it's a competition where you're competing for a crown, but at the end of the day, like, we're all, you know, a community. And drag, the greatest thing about drag is the friendships you make because of it. And I hope that all these fans who watch that show see that, like, the girls care about one another

even though they're competing and they're reading each other and there's shade. Shade is not being an asshole. Shade is like a funny, silly thing. Don't be a dick, you know? And a lot of these fans act like that and it's wrong, you know? Drag is about uplifting one another and supporting one another in your art, whatever your art is. And so I was happy that the show put out that statement.

I wish the host put out more statements. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. But I love world of wonder and I love drag race and I'm grateful that they've given me so many opportunities to be on panels at drag con. I love doing drag con. I love being a voice, uh, uh, at those events. And I, and I, I love working with them. You're doing them. You're doing them a favor because you are a superhero and we're so proud of you as a representative of our community. And we're so excited about everything that you're going to do. And I mean, we are we are huge fans. And this is what I was going to save earlier on for later was I mean, this is just me saying that just seeing Marty in action is to love Marty.

And I, you know, Marty, Marty, Marty and I, we worked a march one time. Wait, my eyebrows were so busted that day. I don't remember that. I do. Oh, clunky chunkies. They looked like two clogs. No, you looked gorgeous that day.

It looked like I painted wooden shoes on my face. I don't know what I was thinking. You wore a long gray wig and a purple feather dress. And then it was truly like float after float, community after

community that was representing the whole march like you were running down and like dancing with them and people were just ecstatic to see you and i was like oh that's right like marty is like i love being queer i love pride i love being queer so much i love it you are someone who embodies every part of that spirit like you un unify people. You bring people together from every corner of this community. In terms of disparate communities that you would think wouldn't be connected, but you bring them together in such a beautiful way.

And I think, I mean, yes, your drag is inspiring. Your drag is public service. And it's so amazing to see. We love it. We love it so much, Marty. Thanks, babe. Thank you. We love you.

Thank you so much for being here vote for marty in 2021 and we'll be talking more about this and we love you and i love you guys on this episode of las culturistas like any other we do end every episode with a song matt go Who is that girl I see staring straight back at me? Why is my reflection someone I don't know? And for more of that, you can listen to the soundtrack of Mulan. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.

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