Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Love Locations" (w/ Ana Fabrega & Julio Torres)

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Spooky season! It's here. Haunted houses are jamming up, the wind is howling and Los Espookys is back on HBO. Ana Fabrega & Julio Torres, the creators of the program, join Matt & Bow to discuss casting Kim Petras as the U.S. Secretary of State, how "And Just Like That" is truly international, music video acting, being in your "circus era", the reality of directing, the spectacle that is The Press Tour and how modern weddings should have more drama. Also, treatises on the status of television, the taste of medicine and the dexterity of statues. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Okay, I have to say, I was going to try something. I was going to do it with a deep voice, but then I chickened out at the last second. What was that sound like? I was going to try a shock cue and go, ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. I thought it might be funny, but then I chickened out at the last second. What does that say about me? It means it's spooky season, so you wanted to scare me, but then I chickened out at the last second. What does that say about me? It means it's spooky season. So you wanted to scare me, but then you were scared yourself. Kind of a beautiful... Well, it's officially fall. This is our way of saying it's officially fall.

So autumn vibes, definitely spooky, scary in the air, etc. Haunted houses are definitely packing up. Yes. Those actors are employed, thank God. They wait all year for the season to scare and spook. Do you think there are swings at haunted houses? Like, there's an understudy

for, you know, Freddy Krueger or something? Legally, I think there has to be swings. I think legally, this is a union job. I hope they're unionized. If the haunted house workers aren't unionized then we need to start getting on that then halloween is canceled period then halloween is canceled if i don't know that my girls my fellow actors my community

are safe in their place of work because when they come out think about how physical it is for them to get up like poke behind a curtain like this huh so physical oh my god you just readers you didn't see that but matt just kind of kind of mind poking out of curtains i think there was curtains tell me this isn't what it's like in a haunted house tell me it's not huh yeah no for sure and i'm not even joking this isn't even a bit like they need to be protected 100 because you never because because never is an audience more hostile in a performance setting than in a haunted house

where these people kind of have permission to be like, ah, and like hit you. I'm so shocked that every year rolls around and we don't hear more about guests sort of striking back. It's like,

it's truly, if anything, the haunted house employees are more in danger than the actual guests. Do you know what I mean? It's 100% Bowen because also they have the knowledge of where to go if something does go wrong. Like, you know what I'm saying? Totally. They can see everything.

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, these guests are just sort of flailing through. Oh my God. Awful. Just awful. It's so scary to think about. So scary to think about.

Well, I didn't even mean to bring this up as a sort of a lead in into our guests. A sort of segue, if you will. Sort of segue, but God, you ever have one of those shows where you go, oh, I wish that would come back. But then you go, oh, I wish that would come back. then you go oh i wish that would but then you go off covid covid covid well a story like covid let me tell you something it's never been told like this before these ones have been through this and we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about this with our friends or guests we're going to make them relive their their professional trauma live

on air on las codrillas that. It's going to be really, really cool. It really was the first moment of like, oh no, this is really, this is a global thing. We knew it was a global thing when it affected Los Espookys. We knew, okay, this has gone,

COVID has gone international. Has crossed hemispheres, has gone down south to Chile. It attacked the production. What they say about COVID is it attacks productions first. And then it goes out from there. The virus is becoming very intelligent

and it wants to attack our favorite shows. Productions. The smartest productions. Our favorite shows. It wants to destroy our favorite shows from the inside out that's what they're saying now miss rochelle walensky um of the cdc she just came out and said that she said i didn't i didn't know who was leading the cdc good for you for keeping up with yeah well her name is rochelle rochelle zelensky zelensky walensky but i believe it's pronounced you know what i'm saying as w's often are again this is an

international thing um but here's the thing here's the thing about losa spookies and for people like me who get sort of scared this is more funny than scary you know what i mean like this show it's really more funny than scary it's like the haunted mansion at disney world it's like yeah of course it like presents us like spooky scary but really it's really more funny it's really more funny than scary. It's like the haunted mansion at Disney World. It's like, yeah, of course, it presents us like spooky, scary, but really, it's really more funny. It's really more funny for me. But this is the thing, is that the things that they are asked

to do on that show, Becca says, huge fan, TBH. I mean, I'm sure. She's a person who likes good things. In this week's episode, you had our four principles hanging from fucking

crazy racks in a graveyard. I said, this is practical. This is a practical effect that we're not seeing in other things. My biggest problem with Marvel is it's not all practical. When they go out to space,

I would like to see that, but not be like, that's a damn cartoon. You know what I mean? Like my girls were really truly hanging in this show. Yeah. I want to see more of that, more practical.

My girls were dressed in a sea monster costume, sitting on a rock, standing on a rock in the middle of the ocean while the waves crashed. I actually found that to be scary. scary like i was watching it i was watching it and i was like okay take myself out of knowing that it's more funny than scary like and just was like in a world where like i'm walking into this and i don't know am i scared and i saw the sea creature and i was scared for sure a little bit like if i saw that in real life forget it forget it we need we need we need to

bring them in this is so exciting yeah so they can explain how they achieve all this great stuff absolutely it really is an incredible show if you if you aren't already watching it's spooky season two um our the the our guests are the co-creators of this wonderful wonderful program wouldn't you say yeah hbl baby it's not tv it's los espugas there you go everyone please welcome anna fabrega and julio torres hi hi the last time you guys came on do you guys remember this was when i made the mistake of calling poppy juice a circuit party i remember that i remember that yeah and then and then they reached out and they were like why did you say that

and I was like I don't know I don't know what circuit parties are but now I do what do you prefer I think that's similar to like if someone said that you do skits no not even it's like if someone said that I do

if someone said that I do ad libs. Oh, SNL, that's that ad lib show. If they called Saturday Night Live a review. Yeah. Like, Saturday Night Live is a popular weekly review. Yeah. Yeah, sure. It's like that.

It's like that. It's like that. Anyway. Not a circuit party. Well, these are two party animals. Party animals, I'm telling you. How do you define a circuit party? A circuit party is a party that travels.

There's literally a circuit. There's like a circus. Well, kind of. Like in Dumbo. I want to go to a circus party for real. Like if they cleared out all the animals and just let you party in the circus area, that could be fun as heck. And they maybe let you jump on the trampolines

and stuff, and this is assuming that there's trampolines at the circus. I don't know. I haven't been in a long time. I feel like that's one of those high-concept ideas that sounds really fun on paper, and then logistically, it's just not fun. Do you guys think... I want to put a question to the group.

Is it possible to have a circus themed party that is not heterosexual and aesthetic like is it possible to queer a circus party in the look and the feel of it i think unfortunately yes but in but in a way that we wouldn't enjoy because it's like 20s joel cam booster says like a 1920s great gatsby party will always always be straight always correct no matter what yeah that is correct also the same goes for a madman party yes yeah but also we don't need to do those parties no it's true no i i i i i absolutely agree i said but if if it were to come that, that someone's held a gun to your head, said you need to throw a queer circus party.

What do you do? Could you think that's possible? Julio saying yes, but yeah, but it would be lame. It would be very lame. I think, I think that like I,

so the other night I found myself going to union pool, which I hadn't been to since college. It's dangerous. And it was like, oh yeah, like these people need a gimmick. They need a little taco truck in the back. They need like little tickets to get their pizza. The tickets for pizza and the tickets for drinks.

It's like, can we just bypass this? Like what is the tickets of it all? They need like a, a oh it's really great because it's like when you get a drink they give you a little ticket and then you get the pizza and it's just like wow you really need a task you need a task because each other's company is not fulfilling enough oh no you think so you think that's what it is i think so yeah wait i think i know a way to queer the circus party you have the animals they're just sort of running amok

sure yeah then i think the circus party has become queer yeah okay that's good i mean and i think we've we've talked about this at length, but I can't remember if in public forums or privately, but like about how every pop star, unfortunately, must go through a circus phase. Circus era. So circus era. Some of them are stuck in it, like Pink, right? Like, potentially stuck in it.

But pop stars must go through a circus era uh because it plays with like and that is that is when the pop star is coming to terms with like feeling like a like a caged animal feeling like they're just there to entertain feeling like because it's it's very akin to like tears of a clown like yeah oh i'm here for you but like who's here for me sort of like and then it's either that or they go the other they go the more aggressive route of uh grappling with their fame which is themes of surveillance yeah like no man's low hand song like get out of my face no pictures yeah I'm being watched it's like yeah

it's like cameras everywhere so it's like yeah it's one or the other it's either like you take you take on those themes with sadness

which is circus or with aggression which is the theme of surveillance but every every pop star does have a song about

like the the perils of fame in a way that like I was listening to i don't know if you've listened to like moto mommy plus yeah so it's like the new yes the yeah yeah so there's some new songs and one of them is about like yeah going outside with a hoodie and sunglasses hope no one sees me paparazzi tmz and it's like even rosalie has got one it's like they all have to have the the like this is me suffering for you song. Yeah.

Yeah. Comments on my public pain. Right. Even like Bjork, but Bjork's was about divorce. Like if you bypass, if you avoid circus or surveillance, then your fate is written

in stone, which is you will write a divorce album. Like Kelly Clarkson is about to release her divorce album. Bjork had a divorce album. Like there's no escape. Like these are, this is the maze. And if Kelly Clarkson and Bjork are both doing it, that's how you know there's truly, it's truly international.

Truly international, which is the title of app, truly international. Truly international. I would say that there's three eras. And I think the surveillance era sort of like is one of the sub genres of one of these three. There's three.

It's circus and whatever fun you can have in the circus. There is general dark, I'm unhappy. And that can be for many different reasons. One of which, one of the top reasons is surveillance paparazzi. I can't live my life. And then the third era that every pop star goes through is

of course Christmas slash holiday. So once they've hit all three, they actually have to be killed. So you're saying this is interesting, so you're saying that Christianity cannot be avoided.

I don't think so. In a capitalist society, I don't think so in a capitalist society I don't think it can be you have to either react to it or yes we are living in a commercial capitalist society and therefore even if you do not have a connection to Christmas you do have to participate in it

because it's a checkbox and you know this is probably their labels deciding or whoever the hell but you must at least pretend that you decorate a tree I can't wait for Arca's Christmas album I can't wait for Arca and Rosalia's Christmas album oh please Rosalia's

Christmas album is literally coming yeah I think I actually think so yeah the Spaniards love Christmas the Spaniards love Christmas. The Spaniards love Christmas. I literally, I was, Sudi and I were in Mallorca trying to hail a cab

and then like one of the cabs like sped off. We were waiting in line with some people and then one of these girls, I think she was local. She was like, one of the girls just screamed,

Moto Mami! And it kind of was really fun to hear out in the wild. I was like, oh yeah, like it's international. Why did I think this was just... I'm stupid in thinking that this was only

something people in New York were listening to. I'm just an idiot. Yeah, this international sound is very New York. Whatever, it's stupid. Wait, does Los Espookys... Is Los Espookys in Chile? Is there a place in Chile for people to watch it? HBO Max is in Chile.

Oh, great. Yeah. We know that in Just Like That played in Chile. We know that much. Because you were watching it while you were there? The whole crew was aware of it. We would gather and watch it. Yeah, the crew knew who Che Diaz was.

Yeah, they were like, the obsession and the fascination with Che Diaz is international. We feel the same way. It's coming from the same place emotionally. Everyone's shocked. Shock and awe. Did you see

Che Diaz? There was a picture of Che Diaz's script on the table read. It really filled me with anticipation. I can't even describe. I love an actor posting a table read pic. Yes.

We're reading the scripts now. Who knows what shenanigans they cooked up for me this season. Did you guys do table reads for season two? Yeah. It was in 2019 right oh my yeah yeah it was at the end of 2019 yeah okay so then what we were talking about earlier before we brought you guys on is i will never ever forget the facetime call that we were all on

and i don't know i don't know if you were in the bedroom with but julia was in a bedroom with sam tagger and like greta and like every you guys were all in chile and you guys were like yeah we're all flying back tomorrow like oh yeah march 2020 they were like we don't know like what customs is going to be like like it's great like that was that was like that was a really low moment for i don't know human history human history but like people i think and like in like like our our friends i think everyone being like oh did you hear like low dispute like they're all having to fly back from chile oh it was hardest for our friends going through productions i think that's what bowen is saying is that covid hit hardest with

those of us um artists that were not the elderly not that with those of us artists that were starting productions. Not that you need to compromise. Yeah, that were mid-productions. Very sad to me. Were you, okay, what so that was March. I was just in New York, but I remember FaceTiming and then like,

it was like Taggart and Greta being like this is really crazy Yeah because we were like on the fence About like what should we do Do we wait and once border started closing We were like we gotta get home now Otherwise we're gonna be stuck in Chile And Sam Taggart became patient zero

For Sam was our Sort of like That's it final straw no more wait and see because he had been at a show in New York and got a call once he was back in Chile

that he was exposed to COVID and then we were all like oh my god Comedy Central Comedy Central Showcase at Union Hall we're all exposed to so much this was when you guys returned no this was before at Union Hall. We're all exposed to so much. This was when you guys returned.

No, this was before. This is what made us be like, we have to stop. It's here. It's too close. It's among us. Yeah, it's among us. Sam Taggart via Comedy Central has brought COVID to Chile.

Wow. But he tested negative. He tested negative negative but it was like okay so sam might have this like new virus none of us know anything about we were terrified you know at this time yeah wow yeah it was like it was like the thing of the like one of the big reasons i might be wrong on this so nobody quote me but it was one of the big the big pathways of it going from china to italy was like people sam taggart it was they bring in new talent from that has never been seen before. Yeah, from China to Italy.

So they're exposed industry-wide. No, what do you think? I think it was people going to Fashion Week in Milan. It was like Fall Fashion Week in Milan in March or whatever. It was people who were hanging out in Shanghai or whatever the fuck and then going to

Italy and then people from Italy taking it to New York. That was like the sort of Oh, because it did follow the trail is very fashion. It's very fashion. That route reeks of fashion. Yeah.

And the fact that it got to the least fashionable places last wow yeah it took a while to arrive because yes it's so far also like red states took a while for them to get hit

because fashion week hadn't made it there yet and then they weren't wearing fashion's biggest accessory a damn mess yeah wait Anna what were you going to say about Santiago kind of made it there yet. And then they weren't wearing fashion's biggest accessory, a damn mask. Yeah. Wait, Anna, what were you going to say about Santiago?

Like, it just took a while? Yeah, it took a while. And then it was the thing where, like, once cases started popping up, it was rich people that had been traveling that had come back.

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every house has like tacky pop art Marilyn Monroe paintings and like basements that are decorated for the kids that have like faux panels of like big crowds no it's a very strange there was truly that mural with a for the kids that have faux panels of big crowds. No! It's a very strange... There was truly that mural with a circuit party,

actually. There was one that had a crowd that had hands up in the air, and it was for the kids in the basement. Yeah. Wow. Marilyn Monroe. When are we going to hear her story? You know? When are we going to find out what was really going on there?

Do you guys feel like a location scout is sort of the best kind of way to see a place? To really learn about it? When I travel, I look for location scouts so I can get to really know a place. I always be sure to hook up with a location scout.

Honestly, yeah, that's a hot job I took a lover he's a location scout I saw amazing things I know where crafty's gonna go I worked with a with a location scout on a different thing here in New York and I was interviewing location scouts and I like didn't't really how do you gauge from a conversation whether or not someone's going to be a good location scout, right? Oh, yeah. And I was talking to her and she said, and I quote, I love locations.

Yes! You told me about her. Oh, this woman will be in my life for the rest of my life and I love her. Oh, this woman will be in my life for the rest of my life. I love locations. They're the best place to go. I adore her.

Hi, Elizabeth. Okay, but when Elizabeth says, I love locations, that is really meaningful because then that means that she loves all of it, right? She loves going to places. She loves figuring out where things should go and the locations within a location.

Yeah. You know, that is a real skill. I don't ever walk into a place and get a feel for the layout or the traffic patterns of it all. That's a very hard concept i feel like i'm always like underestimate what it takes to make something happen in a place and i like walk into like uh like some there's always a time in pre-production whether it's the most spookies or anything where i'm like uh what if we just do it there in that corner like whatever and everyone's like no everyone's like no don, everyone's like, no,

don't you see how that's impossible? And you're like, I really don't. Yeah. I'm like, well, what if we clear these desks and we do it here in the office? But you know,

you know what I think about is the people, the people who have to put up the signs, who have to tape up pieces of paper in these locations. They say like that. And the arrows to the bathroom, arrows to the bathroom, Arrows to the bathroom. Arrows to like crafty. Like I'm like,

that is like, I can't, I don't think that way. I feel like that's a very, that's a skill. But how, but you're saying like, how do you know how,

if someone's good at locations? Unless they say, I love locations. I love them. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. You have to have a passion for staying someplace and seeing it and then also

going somewhere else and seeing that place and staying there and being able and you know, it's all about totality. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about totality. Well, I think this season is perfect already.

Wow. And I can't wait for more. My girl, Kim Petras is in it yeah kim is playing the secretary of state yeah the u.s secretary of gretta's boss melanie's boss she's she's u.s ambassador melody gibbons's boss kim petras in her acting debut i want to say wow yeah well it depends whether you consider music videos acting. Let's talk about this.

Because so much of what happens in film and television also happens in music videos, such as hitting marks, such as giving emotional intention. So is music video acting acting? I think you'd have to answer that question, Bowen, before you ask, is this Kim Petras' acting debut? I think it varies case by case. I think that sometimes it's an extension

of performing. Sometimes they do see it as like, oh, I'm making a short film. And I have lines. Like if we're talking fully like, isn't there a Katy Perry music video where she's in old lady makeup and she's like the one that isn't there isn't there a katy perry music video where she's like an old

lady makeup and she's like the one that got away looking at a box of memories she's she's extremely old woman in fact the makeup artist probably did a little too much in like a futuristic house yeah she looks maybe like the oldest woman alive she's in a future house and she looks through an old box and then she flashes back to being young katie perry and then only then and only then is she able to tell the story that's the device okay see that's that's acting period yeah but but i would argue if there's no dialogue they didn't have to memorize dialogue no there's dialogue there's dialogue in? It's like, what are you thinking about? Nothing.

She's thinking about the one that got away. Sure. Anna, on that note, I was going to say that it's not acting if the person is singing or lip syncing to the words, but it is acting when it's cutting to them and there's music playing but they're not making any shapes with their mouth that they're and to me the hardest kind of acting in a music video potentially is when they just have to like like you know like

like like like emote do something you know like kind of like you're supposed to like get a peek into their interior world or something and they're just sitting there and they're just kind of like you're supposed to like get a peek into their interior world or something and they're just sitting there and they're just kind of like frowning or smiling or you know doing or just holding an emotion does that make sense yeah i think i mean that that is acting of course but i would still argue that the dialogue thing is a big difference a big differentiator because someone who hasn't memorized dialogue before getting you know sheets of paper that you have to memorize this I think it's very like oh gosh

you know yeah yeah can feel overwhelming and then having to like perform it you know it's not just do you know it but can you act the way you did in your music video while you say these words yeah you should you should teach a class that is for pop stars learning how

to act and oh i would love to at nyu as an adjunct professor yeah yeah acting yeah i think a lot of i think a lot of the pop girlies would go back and take that class because i think a lot of them are interested in acting clearly i mean you see them all out here I mean not just Kim I mean moving beyond that how many what is the best pop star acting performance what is it share I think objectively

yes yes I have something oh yeah yeah yes yes I have a question another question but I guess it's what's the best pop star if you count for us. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I have a question, another question, but I guess it's what's the best pop star acting performance in a music video. Hmm.

And I have, I have, I have a bad answer, but it's an answer that I will stand by for now. What is it? It is Britney Spears. And every time. Oh,

I was going to say lucky. And lucky. See lucky. Lucky is really good because it's more camp and it's more just like takes you on a ride like she's having fun with it and every time she's trying to be dropped in and give you again peek into her surveilled world that's the one where she reincarnates right yes as the baby at the end yeah well every time where she watches herself she watches herself die she watches herself die after she gets into a huge fight with her boyfriend and they barge into their huge mansion together and she like throws shit he kicks the lamp and she's like

yelling at him like it's really raw i actually have what i think is a very close to correct answer for this and it's rihanna in the stay music video because it's just her in the tub and she just sits in the tub the whole time it's a one-er it's one shot of her in the tub and she only she only sings the lyrics sometimes the rest of it is her sort of just as bone was saying like sitting there and sort of living the song and then at the end she does like sing or like lip sync to the end of it and the very last shot is her sinking into the tub but you just see her tears start to fall down and she just looks exhausted and i'm like yeah i mean you can't tell me this wasn't acting in this moment i mean she in three minutes and something seconds

better have my money bitch better have my money rihanna she gets out of her own way enough to access an acting ability. Whereas I think a lot of pop stars get in their head about the fact that they are acting with dialogue, whatever it is. And then they stop acting the second they stop singing. You know what I mean? It's interesting who's a bad actor. They approach it the way they approach lip-syncing which is you have to make it over the top and whatever because you're not you know you so so then they they bring that same energy to acting and then it feels like oh gosh you're trying so

hard to act yeah i feel like kim was really good uh she played someone who like really believed the words that she was saying yeah Kim yeah I can't wait Kim and Greta get fun stuff she's really good they're so funny together and they're friends now

they like hang out they're the new Paris and Nicole I think that they really could be. I think the power that Kim Petras and Greta Seidelman could wield would be very, very, very immense. Oh, yeah. It would be very immense. I really, I had to write down the line because I think it's,

I think it's, I think, I think I can, I think it's very representative of the show in some way, but I don't know how. But in the first episode of the season, I wrote down Oliver Tw. But in the first episode of the season, I wrote down Oliver Twix, like the movie. Oliver Twix is an important character that I hope you see more of.

Does Oliver come back? Really? Oliver Twix is a very... Yeah. Just the concept of... Okay, wait. He runs a graveyard but just is yeah a grave digger yeah it's episodes out he runs a graveyard but

just buries the bodies and is not responsible for them being buried in the right place because on paper what you've hired him to do is to bury the bodies and now if you want to know where they are well I'm sorry that's not it's not on him that to me is like such a I don't know like I've missed the show so much because that I

don't know I just feel like that is so you guys and your sense of humor and just there's no show making jokes like that there's none none isn't that weird that comedy shows aren't like silly funny I think it is weird I think it is

one of the weirdest things is that comedy shows aren't funny it's such a phenomenon like it's like of the weirdest things is that comedy shows aren't funny. It's such a phenomenon. I'm not going to directly quote unquote shade anything, but it's like shame, shade, et cetera, all those things. But it's just like, oh, that's filed under comedy, huh?

Hmm, interesting. I never want to watch a comedy show and at the end go, that was a good point. You know what I mean? I'd like to. I think that so many shows feel like they have to do that is to make you walk away going huh i never thought about it like that and like you don't have to or or or i you know like i don't i like i think that huh i never thought about it like that is so much better than

finally yes oh god yeah it's about damn time it's about damn time or even do you guys agree with this or even to come away from a show and go wow that was really well balanced

yeah unless it's like Parasite unless it's like a movie that like switches genres in the middle or something then yeah then that's great and that's a very formal thing like it honestly like it should be well balanced if it's that but yeah like sometimes people are like like oh well we what we really wanted was for this to be grounded and it's like who is leaving something and being like I loved how grounded. It felt so real. That felt just like my.

That felt just like my boring life. Except the people on screen. Have like so much makeup. And their teeth are so white. And the blowouts are insane. And all the women have like fake eyelashes. Just like my life. It is an interesting thing though. Because like I think like this. Weirdly does life. Just like my life. It is an interesting thing, though, because I think

this weirdly does fall under the banner of people want to see themselves reflected, but at a certain point, it's like, yes, that is true in terms of diversity, obviously. Everyone should be reflected. Everyone should be on screen. But it's like, I don't necessarily want to see something that looks like my life

on screen, because I know it's boring. I do want to see like the white teeth version of myself say these things because i they can feel so much more entertaining than i can as a regular viewer like i would so much rather my avatar sandra bullock like do my you know do this for me like i don't want to see my own life up up screen see i really don't like the way that everyone on tv particularly comedies look like they're in a capital one commercial they all yeah yeah they all look so like pristine and all the sets are so like neat and you know like during the during the pandemic like everyone like everyone on planet earth i rewatched sex in the city and the first season of sex in the city the carrie's apartment yeah on

the uh on the edge of her door you could see like finger smudges yeah which is a very real thing it's like oh yeah like this person is like opening the door and placing her hand there and she hasn't repainted obviously and it's and then it's like as the series you know morphs into what we have that which isn't just like that everyone looks like they're in like uh yeah earn sky miles by like buying your favorite like everything is very like uh yeah like an oral b commercial yes yes yeah it's it's interesting because they get the budget to do it and they like an oral B commercial. Yes. It's interesting because they get the budget to do it and they get the time and energy to do it because that's another thing.

It's just like a lot of these things, you only have so much time to shoot it and you only have so much money, as you guys know. And so that actually can be a strength when you're leaning into the reality of something. Just because you have the time, budget, energy, money to do this Sex and the City 2.0 doesn't necessarily mean that that's what we wanted to see. Maybe we wanted to see these characters that have inherent glamour because they're played by these actresses in situations that feel a little bit more realistic. Maybe that's the thing yeah it's like the the the set uh dressing or the art direction starts to mimic the sort of like perfect look of the actor whose hair is never gonna move out of

place whose clothes is like perfectly ironed and and then it all starts to feel like none of it feels so like not lived in by either performers or the sets. I love I love a wrinkly shirt on TV. I love a wrinkly shirt. I love stained teeth. I've always wanted to have a character like in a cast or in crutches and like that just like never goes addressed. Yeah. What they do to their knee. Yeah it's like they don't want to talk about

it. The show's not about that. And they live in a world because in reality though someone walking around in crutches you like their friends would be like when are you when do you get out of those? Is that not what you're saying though?

Is that you're like it shouldn't be addressed. No, they never talk about it at all because they never know what happened to her name. No, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, I would love a, like a, just a scene of like, you go to a party and someone at the party has a cast.

Okay. Okay. And no one talks about it because you don't know that person that wants to ask what happened. Yes. Yes. Yes. In a very real way. Or like,

or like, uh, even just like at an office like like no one's ever pregnant and if they are that's the point of the story yeah no one's like casually pregnant right right uh see that's great because sometimes i want to like sometimes as an actor i want to walk onto a set and be like oh I had an idea maybe I'm like I have an eye patch yeah yeah yeah literally though and then everyone just kind of gives you a look like

well Jamie Lee Curtis in Everything Everywhere All At Once has that sling on her and it was her idea? I don't know whose idea that was but I love that it's like oh yeah this person is a fully realized person out of this world yeah and she's probably very tense and like she probably fucked up her arm in some way and we're not actually going to talk about it but it's like such a telling detail it was giving like it was giving like low impact stress fracture. You know what I mean? That's someone who sits in that chair all fucking day.

And it's like, she's, it's like, it contributes to her anger and her, the fact that like she is unmoving. You don't need to know why she has that injury. It's just part of who she is and part of how you're going to experience her and how the characters are going to be treated by her. You're right.

I never thought about it like that. Like it's, it's a very good detail. Like you see, you like sort treated by her. You're right. I never thought about it like that. It's a very good detail. You sort of get her. Yeah. You know what I saw the other night? I did go see Don't Worry Darling. Which, by the way, I have friends who are going to be

the Don't Worry Darling prester as their Halloween costume. Oh, that's really funny. One's going to be Olivia, one's going to be Harry. but they can't always be together yeah they're always together together it's a group costume yeah one of them spits on the other one or allegedly and then everybody will talk about how whether or not it happened or not i felt like because we talked about it so much i i owed it to the movie to go see it and like i did go see it and what i think is interesting about some some of these things is like my problem with the movie is like it's so obsessed with being a social satire that it

doesn't get that what it really is and what it could have been so much better is just a straight up thriller like these things don't have to be important like especially when like we can tell what you're saying from this for a second it starts like the trailer i was like i've seen the entire movie after i saw the trailer i know exactly where this is going i doubt and you do you do yeah yeah and it's like why do we have another one of these like actually things are not as they seem you know it's like okay we've seen that movie a million times yeah or like if that is gonna be the movie then reveal it early and then let this movie become something else like that i guess that's that's the thing is it's like it's just so rare to see things

genuinely having fun like and and it because i get things get tripped up in the well what is it in a macro sense what are we saying of it all it's like sometimes you actually don't need to say anything it can just be you know like fun and i guess that's what i like about that's what i love about losa spookies is like it feels like you guys like break story with comedy first. And I really... I don't know if that's true, but for example, in the second episode, Greta getting rid of her reflection by putting

her in a lead bikini and having her jump off the boat, that to me seems like, oh, this is a way to comedically solve this problem that's completely allowed to get rid of. It's just like, so many things are like, but, but, but, but, but and so heady and it's just like, no, the audience

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than any comedy that's been done recently it's true and i feel like it it is sort of, like, quietly moving. It's so moving. It's a beautiful movie. It's a beautiful movie. And it's, like, a celebration of just, like, everyday normal people in, like, everyday normal places. Like, it takes place in, like, gray sky Virginia rest stops. That, like, places that you, like like don't want to set a movie in it just stays with you far more than any like thing created by like eight writers yes it's just so like

carefree and fun and i was like oh yeah like this is ideally what we get into this business for yeah right it just makes something that's like it did it i like i don't think they were like okay we need to like have a point i think that eric andre is just eric andre and he's just like incredibly funny but then they like accomplished so much more yeah right because they leaned in with what they were good at yeah and i just feel like you guys with fred is such a nice it's such a perfect like match in terms of like what what he like like like his journey to get to this point in his career and then you guys coming to meet him is like oh yeah like the three of you aren't really that concerned with importance in that sense of like it should be do you know what i mean like it's like significance or like you know yeah i mean imagine we were like you guys this show is queer

latinx you have to watch it you know yeah we see it a lot yeah we're seeing it a lot i'm like it's like yeah i mean julio has talked about this like we've talked about the sort of like you know it's activism like watching our show is some form of activism or making it a some form of activism and it's like no it's not no no it's not like consume equating consumerism with activism is the thing that like kills everything it is like a capitalist thing of like also it's so it's just exploits because of course if like people feel the need to quote-unquote do good and be reactionary against like the horrors of the world that is like a beautiful instinct and for like all these like media conglomerates to exploit that and be like okay we hear you that like all these like

really scary things are happening like towards queer people or whatever kind of people. It's like, how about you watch this? It's like, no! How about you buy this? You stick it to the Supreme Court. I'm like, what are you talking about? Truly.

It's spooky. It's spooky. It's spooky. But the thing too is like i guess the the fact being like it look it exists that already makes it like if you need it to be this important you know what i mean if you need it to be that then it is because it exists but why but but but is it good you know what i mean and the fact is like like yeah i would love to hear that things are good first you know what i mean like for example like i feel like with the woman king like the first thing i heard was this is really

really really good and now i'm like watching the interviews with like viola davis and everyone and like they're talking about how like cool it is that it's like an all dark-skinned black woman cast international cast of women all telling a story about like a shared history um and like telling the story that like maybe people didn't know that like the dora milaje from marvel was based on this actual like warrior group of women um from the dahomey but like it's just it's just like the first thing i heard was that it was good the first thing was not you better see this or we'll never get another movie like this and it will be your fault!

And it's like, and this is why they pass these laws because you don't see this film. It's like, it's like, it's like, can we take a goddamn breather? Yeah, I think that

the, like, obsession with anything that is not like a cis white straight like narrative being like well it's actually like so like critical and important that you watch this it's like okay but yeah like you said is it good or is it bad because just because it has a diverse cast or writers or whatever doesn't mean it's good it could be there's a lot of really bad shows with diverse writers and you know one one doesn't like i don't know i think at the end of the day it's still like well it is what's the quality like yeah yeah that's almost why i feel like press tours almost don't help sometimes. Like,

I don't think it helped. I don't think it's helped a single, I don't think the press tour has helped something I've seen in a long time. Like, I don't think the press tour has made me want to watch something more than just seeing the trailer in a very long time. Like that's something I think we need to maybe look at. I do think that press tours should only be a trailer.

I do agree with that. And then let's talk about it afterwards you know what i mean of course we understand how it works like you know the star system like you have to trot out people but at a certain point it's like you have to know it's not helping for one person or two or three people from a movie to be like in someone's face every single second of every single day in the media landscape that is so like black and white like it's just it's kind of asking for you know the don't worry darling drama imagine deciding whether or not you're gonna go watch a movie and being like okay i'm just gonna watch the behind the looks featurette yeah to decide to decide if i want to see this yeah it exists to like support each other it's like these media outlets think like oh we need to have yeah behind the scenes talks with the cast and crew or something um but it's like no one's really watching that these are youtube

videos that have like you know a thousand views yeah and like but then they need to be able to sell themselves to the places that making them to get the money for doing you know it's just like a little self-fulfilling like uh ecosystem yeah yeah yeah yeah or imagine like after all this don't worry darling press you're like i'm sort of on the fence about seeing the movie i'm gonna see how how Olivia Wilde does on Kimmel. Let's see how she does on Kimmel. And if she's charming or if she has the answers I want, then maybe I'll go buy a ticket to this two-hour-plus movie that I checked the reviews, doesn't have good ones.

Okay, yeah. This might be the make or break. This might be just very gay of me or very basic, but I feel like the only press tours that have made me want to go see something... Is Lady Gaga. I have been Lady Gaga's. Yeah. Because she's performing it. She's the queen of the press store, though. Yeah. But I feel like people

got sick of it for Gucci. People were like, oh, God, what is the story now? She was haunted by a ghost. The press store is different than the Oscar campaign. That's different. I agree. Oh, yeah, because those aren't press tours. Those are Oscar campaigns. And so hers,

and she had one where it dovetailed into the Oscars campaign. And then when she wasn't winning precursors, when she wasn't nominated, then it ended, it kind of got truncated,

which might have been a mercy. But I feel like that is a memorable press tour that I think honestly did get people to watch that movie. But also... For a Star is Born. There's going to be a hundred people in the room.

That worked because that timing-wise worked. With Gucci, that ended with her not getting an nomination. And she was nominated for everything else. So I just think there is a case to be made for having these people shut the fuck up. Agree, agree, agree. But I did see...

I actually saw Gucci and I did not see A Star Is Born. What? That feels right for you, though. I feel like House of Gucci is screaming Julio in a way that A Star Is Born maybe isn't. Yeah, A Star Is Born looks sleepy. You still haven't seen A Star Is Born? No, it just looks so sleepy.

Oh my god. I don't think you're missing out. Fine, that's fair, but I feel like Julio should at least watch the first 20 minutes. You know what I'm saying, Anna? That beginning is nice. You need to get through, why did you do that, do that, do that, do that to me. You need to get to where they get to SNL. They go to SNL?

They go to SNL. She performs on SNL. She goes, Why do you look so good in those jeans? Why you come around me with an ass like that you hear Jenna Rositano the stage manager at SNL go okay and we're back in 5, 4

Alec and then Alec Baldwin goes ladies and gentlemen or once again Alec Baldwin is hosting the show is Alec Baldwin with musical guest Ali no Julio you have to watch you have to watch... You have to get to that part.

You have to watch Star is Born. I mean... And I understand what you're saying. I don't think that anyone would go about their life being like, oh, I never saw it. But Julio has to see it once. Yeah, yeah.

See, in Gucci I might see it again. Because I was with someone that wanted to watch it. It was not a movie that I had any interest in seeing. So that wanted to watch it it was not a movie that i was had any interest in seeing so i go to see it and um and yeah i was just like okay here's this movie that is taking itself so seriously yes yes yes it is so big smile yes yes yeah like you can you can see bradley cooper off camera being like, how should we get this next scene? You know, and it's just like, yeah, I was like, this movie is not for me.

How can we possibly get this next scene? Yeah. Anna, was this what your directorial style was on a spooky movie? Yeah, yeah. What's the best way to capture this the obsession i also i hate movies that were like so much of the marketing it for it is guess what the actor directed you know and it's like okay who fucking cares about ben affleck directing like who cares has it been annoying for you to talk about this season because i'm sure people are asking well but i was gonna say that

it is i, actually really funny to realize that Tati is directing. I think that's actually really funny and really juicy. Yeah, because Tati directing, yes. But anytime an actor, like, directs and then it's like, oh, wow, like, you know,

like now it's some sort of like tortured artist thing of like i'm the director so now it's like so much work for me like that's what i can't stand and i felt like a star is born so much of the marketing was like you know shots of bradley cooper on set and there's like a crane and it's like yeah we gotta get the camera really high I also love BTS photos of directors in this era because it's always them like with like a shit shirt on like the COVID mask

like a little bit of skew under their nose and them pointing at something with a hand on their hip you know what I mean I just love that's the signaling the crane too the crane has to be there dragging clothes down yes a photo they absolutely could have posed for.

No, it's not just Chloe. Olivia Wilde Olivia Wilde. And that get up. Like Bradley. They asked me. I had to approve pictures of me directing. And I was like, do we have to do these? And they were like, yeah, can you pick some of these?

I was like, okay, I'll pick two pictures. And is they want me with the mask with the actors you know gesturing i was working i have proof yeah like like as if you ever have to point like there's there's marks we all know what it is like yeah pointing is directing that's a rule of culture rule of culture number 99 pointing is pointing is directing i wouldn't i feel like it's really such a hard job um i don't know i i feel like it's one of those things where i have too much respect for it to do it myself because i feel like i would not rise to the occasion what about you matt i want to do it i feel like it's been demystified a little bit for me, and that makes it maybe a little bit more interesting. I think I similarly had this kind of mystique of, oh, wow, I don't know if I can do that.

And then once you realize what it is, it's like, oh, okay. No wonder Olivia Wilde is directing. It's like it's not that, you know, and I'm just using that as an example. No shade to, you know, directors. But it's something that it's almost like directors don't want other people to know that

it's not the most difficult thing in the world to direct. Yes, there's art to it. Yes, there's skill, etc. But it's not fucking brain therapy. Mostly what it is is just making decisions. Yes. The thing about directing that I think makes me the most nervous is mostly what it is is just making decisions yes yes

the thing about directing that I think makes me the most nervous is like making sure things are managed well but that's not really your job I feel like there's some directors that lean into that but let's say on like a Don't Worry Darling if shit is crazy

and that's maybe why Olivia is getting some I and I'm sorry, I'm sorry we're talking about this, this much, but like that's why Olivia is getting some russell i have no respect for his style of directing where it's like oh you're a tyrant you make people feel bad like i hate like i feel like yeah yeah i mean you do set the tone right like the director's huge in setting the tone of the set um that's definitely an important part of it but yeah sometimes, sometimes I'm not sure like, okay, is it entirely the director's fault if it's bad on set or is also maybe an executive producer that's there? That's, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't know. I also say like, as someone who's seen Don't Worry Darling now, like all her departments

were perfect. Like the fucking makeup was stunning. The hair was stunning. The shots were incredible. Like it was all great. It just came down to the script wasn't good and it was and there was no vision which which ultimately like the director has to have a vision and they have to be able to make decisions that point towards that vision what's hard about it is that there are so many areas where something can go wrong so if you make the incorrect or wrong decision in one area it can derail the whole thing so you do have

to have good instincts and you have to be firm in those instincts and be a good collaborator but ultimately like it's about vision and making decisions that work toward that that vision and you can make the decision 90 of the time correctly which i think like in this case she did but then like the other 10 can be so wrong that it doesn't even matter that's i think what's hard about directing is that like ultimately it's all on you and those decisions like and you can have a great team but if one area that's major like the script isn't right then it doesn't matter famously major area yeah the script famously huge yeah i know it's like there are movies where it's like okay that was well made but the script was bad yeah right and

it's like it's very hard to to separate one from the other ones okay you did your job well like imagine you get the shitty script to direct like well i'm gonna do my best job to direct it as well as i can the script is bad so the end product will not be great because good directing can only make up for so much of that writing um and yeah but but if it's like written and directed by the same person then it's like okay then you fucked up wait i i want to i want to say something that's fully a segue out of this topic. It's an anecdote that I heard about recently that I keep thinking about and Anna knows

about this. Is that apparently Alfred Hitchcock would go to restaurants and he would order a lot of food and all the courses would come. He would finish eating. Then he'd call in the waiter and

he would wave his little index finger and go, again. And then have the meal start from the very beginning all over again. And he would eat all of it? Or was he with a bunch of people? No, he would eat all of it. See, that's strong decision making.

That's how you know he was one of the greats. See, he was making the decision to go in strong and wrong. Again. I love that. I love that too. Imagine being so... It's very king-like.

I am so rich and I am so powerful that I will have dinner more than once. I'm going to have dinner as many times as I please. No one can stop me. That it bleeds out into the real world for him. Into the exterior world.

It's very that scene from Spirited Away with the no-face monster. Where the restaurant's so expressed. it's very uh it's very that scene from spirit away with the with the no face monster the restaurant's so expressed hitchcock has arrived and they can't they don't have yes yes yeah they keep bringing like giant like he keeps tossing gold to them and he's oh my god you need to write you need to write a movie called hitchcock at dinner which is just like a literal, like it all takes place in two hours and it's just his dinner.

And like the mid turn is like, they realize he's ordered it again. Yeah. And the kitchen was thrown into chaos. Yeah. I feel, is there like a movie that like, it sounds like Linklater would have directed this, like a movie that's just a meal?

There is My Dinner with andre is that it oh yeah my week with marilyn my week that's my that's me myself and i read this is like i keep saying to julio like his thread for his special should be the word my has to be in all of them. Yeah. My favorite shape. You want me to call the movie my first movie? My first movie. Oh, yeah.

My first movie. Now it's yours. There's something so powerful comedically about the word that. And there's something so powerful comedically about the word my or me being in a title. Yeah. Or something. Yeah. That's my,'s my like linguistic

theory and my my story my little idea my little idea my little idea is really good and the sequel can be my big idea my big idea that's the movie everyone loved my little idea is the sequel everyone loved my little idea is the sequel everyone loved my little idea is a documentary about the first film yeah it's a documentary about the success of the film it's a feature that gets a million views the first featurette

to get a million views some featurettes I remember some featurettes wait I actually I remember one haunting featurette that we have talked about. Which one? Which is what? Utterly Haunting. It is a featurette

about shooting the finale for Desperate Housewives, seen through the eyes of the creator of Desperate Housewives. Mark Cherry. Haunting. That was a pretty haunting. I know someone who was a writer on that series and like

was there when the Nicolette and Mark slap went down. The quote unquote slap that caused the lawsuit. Yeah. And just like hearing about like the temperature of the set at that time, what was going on with all the women, like it's just nothing is what

it seems and there must be a film about that there there has to be there has to be a story told about the final about the darkest thickest days of desperate housewives it's just too good it's also like i feel like it's the kind of thing that can't happen well actually i don't know because i was gonna say like i feel like no one earns that kind of money on tv anymore right but maybe that's changing with like i don't know maybe only the movie stars that go there for like like with and with like a real exception like like is there anyone making a million per episode i'm like big little lies and reese witherspoon and jennifer aniston make two million an episode on the morning show two on morning show oh my which means they make they each make 20 million Spoon and Jennifer Aniston make $2 million an episode on The Morning Show. $2 million. On The Morning Show? Oh my god. Which means they each make $20 million

a season. And then 30,000 people watch the show. It's like, who do you know that has seen Apple TV's hit shows? I will say it is my favorite television program. Sorry to Los Spookys.

It's almost as good as Morning Show. Almost, guys. You almost got there i've never seen it i don't know anyone that sees it and it is a show that you hear about these like astronomical fees that people get and it's like and they keep adding high commanding people to the cast like they added juliana margulies to season two who was on er for like 30 hundred years so and the good wife so she's not commanding no dollars they just put Jon Hamm in the cast like it's just like it keeps getting more

I didn't know they were still making it season three is coming and the third graders are pounding the pavement to make this happen our bit is that third graders write and just like that in the morning show Beyonce as a weather woman in the morning show Beyonce's a weather woman in the morning show? Beyonce as a weather woman?

In the morning show. That would be incredible. I think that they could write a really good art for her. She could be the one that says a big hurricane is coming. And no one listens to her. Get all your patio furniture inside you. But no one believes her.

Because she's a woman. Would you say, Matt, that it is a spiritual successor to Desperate Housewives, like, a campy fucking show? Because when you... The morning show is not aware that it's camped the way it was. The morning show wants to be, like... I'm sorry, is it an Aaron Sorkin show?

Or is it just in the same pocket? It pretends to be an Aaron Sorkin show. It pretends to be a Sorkin show. But when we were the same podcast? It pretends to be an Aaron Sorkin show. It pretends to be an Aaron Sorkin show. But it's like, but when we were talking about like, Melanie Gibbons killing off her reflection

as a way to like, just like quickly resolve this like cliffhanger from season one, like Housewives would try to do that in a way that was not aware of how goofy

it was being. The five-year jump into the future. Well, like Housewives would always have like crazy cliffhangers, right? And then the next season within episode one, it's like, oh yeah, that thing, it doesn't matter anymore.

Someone died by being impaled by a part of John Slattery. During a hurricane. No, the tornado episode. The tornado hit with serial killers. Basically because it was November sweeps.

No, no, no, the character dies. So John Slattery plays like hit Wisteria Lane basically because it was November Sweeps. Wait, someone actually died? No, the character dies. So John Statery plays a politician husband who marries Eva Longoria and it quickly becomes apparent that he's married her for optics. And they're in a very unhappy relationship and luckily

because it was November Sweeps a tornado hit Wisteria Lane and a white picket fence goes through his body as he's trying to chase her down and kill her this to me is a show that's weird

you can't just have a tornado hit the block without being aware that this is camp but that's what I loved about those like primetime soaps of yesteryear, which for Grey's Anatomy, it's very much still on. But they would

have a disaster of the season. And it was truly, my bit was always like, oh, there's a lion loose on Wisteria Lane because they would do that. The bit is that a meteor hits the hospital of Grey's Anatomy. Literally. Oh, you have

two characters you want to get rid of? Mama, put them on a small plane. We can crash it. Don't worry. Like, oh, it literally got that insane, though. I'll never forget the Desperate Housewives supermarket shooting with Laurie Metcalf. Yes.

That was an amazing performance. An incredible performance and a highly problematic episode of television that probably would not be made today. What was problematic about it? I don't think I know. It was like a shooting for entertainment's sake. It was like, and next week someone gets shot

in public. And it was like, oh my god. Will it be one of our women that commands a salary? Probably not. Like, but like they dangled the, you know, mass shooting of it all. Will it be one of our women that commands a salary? Probably not. But they dangled the mass shooting of it all to get people to watch. And that was Sweep's culture.

That was, we need to do a big episode culture, which these streaming shows don't need to do because they stream. But they do it. Right, right, right. Exactly, exactly, exactly. Wow.

What a beautiful treatise on television. And that was a treatise on the status of television. And that only could have happened with our guests. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We'll be right back. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset.

Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists.

We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was

everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian, Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take he belongs with. His father in Cuba.

Mr. González wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the we go

through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. We are now transitioning into I Don't Think So Honey, which is our 60- second segment that we all do that I can tell on the faces of the

guests they're just now remembering is happening. Yeah, yeah. Anna Fabrica really innovated on the form. She was the first person to say, I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Just one minute. I mean, that is the first meta I don't think so, honey. I think

someone's ever done. The first to dare to attack the form itself. Is the Bola thing that happens on the podcast? Only at the live one. We're not doing that for you. Okay. I'm going to go first,

then you guys go. But I have something that it's afflicting me as guys go. Okay. But I have something that it's afflicting me as of today. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey as time starts now. I don't think so honey all medicine tastes bad. How come there hasn't been an invention of medicine

that get this tastes good? I don't think so honey that we can put again I will say it's satellites in the sky. We can't have a day quill that tastes good how about day quill that tastes like i don't know strawberries how about day quill that tastes like i don't know cherries and i understand that they try to make this a cherry flavor i would probably go out there and i would say hey what would you think what would you say the day quill tastes

like they're like oh i guess Yeah, cherry with terrible medicine. I'm like, so honey, where are doctors on this? Where are scientists on this? Get your flavoring out, mama, now. Make the medicine taste better because I'm congested. I have things going on inside of me. But I wake up every day and my eyes open and they open in terror because I know I'm going to have the bad taste of DayQuil.

NightQuil don't even get me started. Now I'm supposed to sleep? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. You're so right. Wait, Matt, but you know, you can also take a pill form of these. Yeah, but you don't have to taste it. I'm sorry, but you know what? While I see, hear, and respect

that and have taken in my life many pills, and let's not get it twisted, I have taken pills, and I will in the future, I still don't understand why this medicine that's supposed to be over-the-counter, you know, sometimes it's tough to get these pills, this over-the-counter stuff still has to taste like absolute poison. It tastes like poison.

I will say, some of them I like. Pepto-Bismol. Pepto- them I like. Pepto-Bismol. Pepto-Bismol tastes great. No, not Pepto. The Nyquil's and the Dayquil's, I don't mind the flavor at all. You don't mind Dayquil? That's wild. Maybe it's the fact that I had a cold brew right after it. And the Dayquil cold brew, that was not choice.

Wait, people, like, Pepto-Bismol legitimately has no, I have no notes for the taste it feels it feels so good you enjoy consuming Pepto absolutely you probably do Pepto a lot huh

like a tornado on Wisteria Lane there you go kills John Slattery every now and then period period all right so you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, so this is the blessed moment

where we get to experience Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey figurines with the arms and legs that don't move. And better yet,

why don't statues have arms and legs that... I'm not talking animatronics. I don't need them to like move around and talk. I just want you to be able, the public should be able to adjust the arms and legs of a statue. Because, because otherwise,

if I want to just look at something, a static representation of something, I would just Google image search it. I, I, I need to be able to, it's the joy of seeing something in three dimensional space and, and, and reality is to be able to sort it's the joy of seeing something in three-dimensional space and reality

is to be able to sort of engage with it, you know, articulate it in certain ways. I need articulation in my action figures. Not action figures, just figurines, statues.

It doesn't make them action figures. It makes them engaging. It's art that you can just really sort of feel like you created and collaborated on. That's the truest form of art to me. Five seconds. A figurine where you can move around the arms and legs and sometimes even the head.

You can spin the head around, make it nod and shake its head. And that's one minute. So you wish that all figurines would sort of take a page from Barbie's book? Yes. But Barbie, Barbie, you can't even, Barbie, you can't even move the elbows. You can't bend her at the knee or the elbow. But she certainly can do something like this. That incredibly satisfied clicking of the knee.

The clicking is so nice. Anna, what were you going to say? That reminded me that I have a theory about statues. That some statues, I think, did they mean to put it here? Or whoever was in charge of moving it sort of got tired, went to take a break, and never moved it again.

I was by a hospital and there was a statue that was placed in the most bizarre place that i was like why is there a statue here this is there's no way this was on purpose and then and then i thought well maybe this extends beyond the hospital's statue this problem yes that people just got lazy and moved it there what was oh my oh my God, the statue, the Shakira statue must have taken a long time to make for the season. The prosthetic for the bow. Well, the prosthetic, obviously. But the prop of the statue, that's a big ask, I feel, on the set.

We need a statue of something. Yeah, I forget. I mean, because that was in the 2020. Oh, you got shot that early. The what? Wow, great. I forget the logistics of the statue. Oh, you got shot that early. The what? Wow. Yeah. I forget the logistics of this.

I think it was paper mache or something. I remember there was a whole thing about the statue, maybe not being dry in time. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Bellin, when you started talking, I was really thinking you were describing an animatronic

and I was going to tell you that you should just... It's not an animatronic. It's not animatronic what you're looking for tell you that it's not an animatronic it's not it's not what you're looking for you're you're speaking to the state of statues but it reminded me um it doesn't i don't want robotics i want like just yeah no i understand they opened up um in in like tokyo disney they opened up a new beauty and the beast like ride and it's like a state of the art ride that has like state of the art animatronics and at the end of the ride like you know in the movie when all the when like all the household

actors come to life and they're people these audio animatronics are so expensive they made audio animatronics of all the humans at the end when they come so like they spent millions of dollars to make an animatronic of like fifi the maid as a human at the end and it's just like a character you see for one second for one second that no one knows who they are they put all this money into making all that animatronics so it's like you know in Beauty

and the Beast like all the household objects like they're frozen like that because of the spell and at the end of the movie they all turn into humans. Oh she's the duster she's the duster so at the end of the movie they all turn into humans oh she's the duster she's the duster she's gorgeous she's gorgeous she's great and gorgeous but it's just so funny

because no one grows up thinking I can't wait to go to Disney World and see the Fifi the human animatronic Mrs. Pratt as a human and Chip as a human are there and they spent millions of dollars to make these animatronics figures

and no single soul was like, can't wait to go see them brought to life, but they did. The heartbreaking part about that, the ending of that movie that no one talks about is that Mrs. Pots and Chip and they all become human, but then presumably they'll be servants for the rest of their lives yeah yeah they're going to like bring her breakfast in bed

yeah they had the choice to be like fun and immortal and they wanted so badly to be mortal and you know in service it's very it has a whiff of that uh that really has anyone here seen down the nabby and how like i've seen parties there's always these like speeches where like the butler legitimizes basically the caste system where there's like no we were born to serve we take yeah that's tough it's a toxic mentality hun yeah okay it's a toxic. It's a toxic mentality, hun. Yeah. Okay. It's a toxic mentality. It's a toxic mentality.

Who of you two are going to go first? I'm ready. I have mine. Okay. We'll do Julio first. All right. This is Julio Torres's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey weddings that end in i do honey if you're gonna ask me to come to your

little show give me a show period you mean to tell me that you you we're all here we're gonna watch this person walk down the aisle and then you're gonna kiss and then it's gonna end oh if you're not running in a wedding dress, why are you buying a wedding dress? Oh, my God. If that wedding dress is not going to end up tattered or covered in a little bit of blood, then what are we doing? Where is the drama? I can't believe that you sold me on a false narrative by inviting me to this big dramatic thing, this big dramatic ceremony, and it just sort of deflates at the end. Mm.

Mm-hmm. I need... I need her to run away. Mm-hmm. Five seconds. Or to be crying at the altar. Yeah. Or bleeding.

Because he ran away. Yeah. Because he ran away. That's one of the two. Yeah. You know, I always feel like it's a shame that there are no objections because i feel like that is a part where someone could make a really good point you know what i mean like like if you are

at a wedding and there's no objections that means the bride has no good friends and that's a rule of culture no that's rule of culture number 52 if you are at a wedding and there are no objections that means the bride has no good friends. What about the groom? The groom, I just assume, has no good friends. We don't care about the groom. This is only straight weddings. Canonically, we don't care about the groom.

That's right. Julia, would you ever produce a wedding or write? This is different than planning a wedding, but you would write a wedding. Yeah. Write someone a wedding. Yeah. Like write someone's wedding. That would be fun.

I would love, I would love, you know what I love? Like, I'm not going to get, I'm never going to get married, but I would have, my wedding would be very like a dictator funeral.

Like solemn. Oh my God. Like. Dictator funeral. Dictator funeral. Dictator funeral. Solemn, a little scary, like so many people lined up. The public wailing outside. Yeah, exactly. A lot of security.

And then it's both you and the person you're marrying in like a glass case. It's me in a glass case approaching this person. Oh my god. Don't touch me or kiss me. This wedding will not end and I do it when ending your death.

Yeah. I love a dictator funeral. Like remember was it Kim Jong Un's or Kim Jong Il's funeral? The snowy funeral. The snowy funeral. I mean. You were like, so chic. I do...

In Tiananmen Square, you can line up to go see Mao's tomb. And it is Mao embalmed in a glass coffin. It's crazy. But you can go see Mao's body. And I kind of think there's something really chic about that, honestly.

Yeah. People lining up to see remains of people is crazy. In churches, they're like, this is a dried blood of Christ that we have here. I mean, it's like a little scab in the glass case. And people come and they're like... It is crazy, but I kind of love...

There's something to love about it as well. People who have open casket funerals they don't if they saw how foolish they looked they would have changed that plan you all look bloated as hell you look bloated fucking washed out not a single one of you your wake up is brutal and also like the makeup artist was just the like embalmer like it wasn't like they wasn't like they didn't bring in like your girl sonia to do your makeup that day you know what i mean oh i

i have an i have an idea for for the um for that whole business i'm like okay a funeral home where they offer like part of their thing is they have a ton of wardrobe options that you can choose from for the open casket you, so you can have like all kinds of looks that maybe you didn't have access to in your regular life. You can choose to wear designer. That's really good. That's amazing. And then you go and like you try on like all the clothes.

It's like I'm gonna be a supermodel. Clueless Gonna dress like me That vibe Alright Anna Fabrega are you ready? I am and I'm not sure If this Is really gonna resonate with anyone Someone out there

You know what if it touches Even one person You will have done your job This is Anna Fabreggus i don't think so your time starts now i don't think so honey self-oriented thinking self-referential oh my god you mean to tell me that i'm going to spend my day thinking about what is going to happen to me in the future and thinking about what has happened in the past and i will just suffer as a result that my that our brain's default mode of operation is

to be not in the present but either in the future or in the past always suffering you mean to tell me i have to learn this as an adult and then find past positive things to do to be engaged in the present moment using my hands so that i'm not wandering off and causing myself suffering and you mean to to tell me that I, again, was not taught this until I was older and only now do I see how much suffering I cause myself to have every day thinking about the future and the past. And so I'm going to say I don't think so, honey. Self-oriented thinking. I am trying so hard to get out of this nasty habit and i hope that we all

uh find peace in the present oh my god anna fabrega what do you mean that wouldn't resonate some people don't care they're too busy watching don't worry they're talking about the press tour drama oh my god wow that was that was wonderful it really is it's it's something that i like because i'm like aware of it now and i catch myself doing it and i know that it is like what causes suffering i'm like oh my god and yet i can't stop thinking about the future thinking that's a very buddhist thing of like it Buddhist thing. The root of suffering is to think about... Wow.

What a beautiful note. And also, I mean, it was, I don't think so, honey, but Anna's segment was, you mean to tell me. Was you mean to tell me? You mean to tell me. You mean to tell me, honey. I think you really take that idea, honey. I think you really, you take that idea,

Anna. I think you make that something. That is such a powerful thing. You mean to tell me. It's very powerful syntactically. You mean to tell me. Wow. It's really beautiful.

You mean to tell me this episode is coming to a close? And I'm finding out about this now And I'm finding out about this now? I'm finding out about this now, an hour and 25 minutes in? Let me tell you something. I'll tell you what's roughly 25 minutes. Each episode of Los Espookis. And they're streaming now, at least the first two hours. And then there's how many in this season?

Six or seven, six, six, six action packed half hours, which will sorry, but make you laugh. If you're out there being like, Oh,

I wanted to show that was like, Hmm, good point. Mama, maybe the show is for you, but mostly primarily you're going to chuckle, laugh, and,

uh, have a fine time watching these characters get spooky. That was beautiful. Wow. What an endorsement. Thank you. Yeah. It's so good.

It's so good. I have nothing to add. Are you proud of yourselves? Yeah. As you should be. Yeah, I'm happy with it. Yeah. That was an earnest moment to end the pod.

I just wanted to hear you guys say it. And we end every episode with a song. Every time I try to fly, I fall without my wings. I feel so small. I guess I need you, baby. If you want to hear the rest of that song, you can listen to In The Zone, the album by Britney Spears. And that song is Every Time, written by Britney Spears.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami?

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind scenes stories crazy details and honestly

just having a blast talking football every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends to our buddies to current stars we're finally answering the age old question what kind of dudes are these dudes we're gonna gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists.

I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day.

Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One,

founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.