Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Meeeaannn..." (w/ Kady Ruth Ashcraft)

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

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you've been egregious I've never been a half an hour late. Yes, you have. You absolutely have. I have not. Well, if there were a way to pull up the receipts

and have documentation. But there can't be no receipts, but unfortunately, for you, I will, we've now, the receipt for your lateness on this app was now,

is now on the pod. Yes. And I'm looking over at the computer and I see the receipts forming. You're usually so punctual. What happened today? My therapist kept me because, not for any crazy, crazy reason, we just had to talk about insurance stuff. The most boring, boring reason in the world.

And I'm so sorry to our guest and to you. It couldn't even have been a good personal crisis? It wasn't, it was actually a great session, and I can talk about it. Go ahead, talk about it. But first of all, I just have to say, I was like, already like, absolutely, absolutely in a rush to get here

because I was so excited for this episode. But then I was like, but then the moment before I buzzed up to the studio, I get a text from Matt. And the Lost Culture East has group texts, which has HPA, HPJ, HPM. Oh, no, HPA, you're not on it. HP, Tracy's on it. I'm just waiting to be dragged.

There's people on it. I'm waiting to be dragged. I get a text that goes I mean from me from you because I mean half hour is a long time

yeah but but yeah it's not about insurance if it were reversed I would be like hey just give us your ATL absolutely that is the funniest thing I've ever heard

you're so stupid no that is the truly the funniest thing I've ever heard because I can literally bring it to, that is truly the funniest thing I've ever heard because I can literally bring it to rest. You are the dumbest person in America. You're the dumbest person I know. I almost said Carly Rae Philbin.

On the Carly and Philbin episode of this podcast, I was, I think, 15, maybe 17, maybe 18 minutes late. Okay. And you, for the first 25 minutes of that episode, were ice cold noquantrous towards me episode, were ice cold. No. Quantress towards me. What? You were ice cold like Miss Emily Blunt in that film. In Snow White.

Yes, you were Elsa the Great. Elsa the Great. Which is actually rule of culture number 49. It's Elsa the Great. She's not the princess or the queen. She's the great. She's Elsa the Great. That makes her seem Russian.

I don't like that. I don't like that either. I rescind. Now, okay. So should I talk about therapy? No, we don't have to get into therapy. Well, we can get into it, but I would like to bring the guest in post-haste.

Post-haste. Oh my God, I love our guest so much. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Whenever I see our guest, I'm always like, oh, thank God. Thank God.

Because everyone else I've seen before today is a nobody. And then I see our guest, and'm always like, oh, thank God. Thank God. Because everyone else I've seen before today is a nobody. And then I see our guest and I'm like, thank God. There's a somebody. And there's a somebody here. She just finished directing a film. I can't wait to get into that. I can't wait to get into that.

And find out about the life of a filmmaker. The life of a filmmaker. To someone who oversees the production. Do you know how hard it is to make a film? I think it's one of the hardest. Truly, and I'm not even making this sarcastic, ironic. It's the hardest thing you could possibly do. There's a lot of media about how hard it is to make a film.

Have you ever seen the movie Nine? Yes. My husband makes movies to make them. He lives that kind of dream. You know what? I think our guest lives in a kind of dream, but in the best kind of dream. Yeah.

And she's a Judy. Yeah, I love. She's a Judy from the jump. I'm telling you. And also great. I don't think so, honey. So good. I don't think so, honey.

And she's done it in many different cities. Many cities. Brooklyn and Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C., our nation's capital. Our nation's capital. And you have to admit that. And you have to admit that. Yeah.

I mean. I mean. I mean. I mean. The front runner for title event. I always have to say. Do you forgive me? Yes, I forgive you.

Of course I forgive you. I felt the vitriol, the animosity, the vitriol the animosity the oh the animosity i would say this i forgive i never forget it's actually real culture number nine i forgive i never forget but i will never forget how much i love our guests our guest is unforgettable so please welcome into your ears kat Katie Ruth Ashcraft! Hello! Hi! And wearing a sundress. Wearing a sundress.

And daringly wearing a sundress on not a sunny day. It felt like a little bit of fall today. You know what? Okay, today was a day where I'm walking around and I go, you forget we live on an island. Yeah! You forget! Manhattan is an island. It's actually rule of culture number 11.

Manhattan is an island. And there are these days number 11 Manhattan is an island And there are these days Where you're like Do you ever like see a seagull And you're like what And then you're like Wait we're on an island Yeah right But the seagull still

Doesn't belong there though Where do you see a seagull In the city Yeah I saw a seagull In Bed-Stuy where I live You gotta be I don't believe that

A seagull from Bed-Stuy And that's how you know The seagull My next film Wow your next film That's how you know the seagulls. My next film. Wow, your next film. That's how you know seagulls are so stupid. Oh my God. Because they shouldn't be there at all.

And they're huge. And they're big. They're so big. And I go, float in the water somewhere. Float in the water somewhere. Have you heard about Dan Bird? No. So this is a new part of the culture.

This is a new part of the culture. My mom was on the beach and she said, she texted me, I was eating a sandwich and then a seagull came up and stole my sandwich. Space, exclamation point, two spaces, and then these words. Damn bird. Spelled D-A-M-M.

Ugh. Yeah. Damn bird. Damn bird. That is like a beautiful ownership of her own language. I love it. I love it. I love it and I live for that. Very Shakespearean.

So you might even say that the next time you see a bird that's not so great, you might even have to say, Damn bird! Or a bird that is great. Damn bird! Damn bird! Damn bird! Now, you know what?

Can I also say, Matt and I had a nice time while you weren't here and it was not, there was not a, I know I'm not gonna drop this ever. But it wasn't like a, where is he? It's like Bowen will show up when Bowen shows up. Right now we're having our. Where were you guys actually, this is great.

I don't think this has ever happened before. Can you give me a peek into what that conversation was? I recorded ads for this podcast. Yes. And I was sort of charging my phone. Whoa. And Katie Ruth offered me a Pringle

and I said, you go ahead. Yeah. That's a beautiful connection. Yeah. I love that. You were wearing the hat. So you also came in in like a sun hat. Yes, I had a sun hat.

And then I, so I had this beautiful pink sun hat that the top, there's no top to it. It's sort of like a 360 visor. A nice touch, I felt. Thank you. Yeah. And I actually got it the other week when I'm coming up the stairs of the subway, and there's, like, a street stand.

I'm headed to therapy, speaking of. Yes, okay. And there's, like, a street stand, and it's all I see, like, as I'm, like, walking up is just this hat, like, hanging on a street stand. Oh. And I was, like like kind of running late but I had my wallet in my hand

and it was like one of the most seamless things I've ever done is like I see it there's a little sign it was like five dollars I just pull out a five

grab it off the clip hand it to the man put it on my head like not a word exchanged choreographed oh my god Sarah Jessica Parker

over here and then walk into therapy and my therapist goes great hat. Oh, I was like, and it's the most natural thing I've ever done. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Great hat. And that is New York. That is New York. That is New York. It was, it was, yeah. I mean, it was. Great hat. Great hat.

Great hat. Great hat. Great hat. Great hat. Great hat. Great hat. Great hat. Great hat.

Great hat. First words that were said in therapy that session. And then. She always compliments my outfits. Well, so one thing we talk about in therapy is dressing. And basically, yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah i don't know you said the optimal word therapy and bowen says he wants to share what happened in therapy so why it's interesting all i talk about therapy i wish i could talk about dressing um well first of all i want to say the reason i bring up um great hat is that my my

therapist will never ever ever ever ever be the first to be the want to say the reason I bring up Great Hat is that my therapist will never ever ever ever ever be the first to be the one to initiate the conversation ever even just walking in

hello hello silence from her until I say something oh interesting and it can't be like you can't you can't try to like be any like

conversational you can't like you can't ease into it you can't be like how are you? She'll be like, I'm okay. And then you have to be the one

to bring up something. I've never thought about that. It's very interesting. But today in therapy, it was about my needs being met. Because all I talk about in therapy is dating.

So this session was the last, like the string of guys I've dated in the last year, string, has been a little pearl necklace they're like cheese they're like string cheese

oh I went necklace you went cheese you went cheese that's how you know who we are that's how you know the identity I like necklaces

and Matt likes cheese and together and together and together we have a friendship I that one's like let me talk I friendship. I was like, I was like, um, yeah, that what we landed on was that like, I have, like,

I have, I, my needs need to be met. That's it. Cause I've been in this, I've been in this place where I'm like, uh, let me take care of you. And it's, it's never quite been reciprocated. Yeah. Oh, oh you you are talking about in relationships yes you cater to the other person yes and why do you think that is i'm now the therapist you're not the therapist i don't uh i'll leave leave please leave it's it's

i don't i we haven't really drilled down into the why but it's it's just the the the awareness was the big like, whoa. I see, I see. Step one. Step one. Yeah. And I said, you know, the last couple guys I've dated, it's been me to be, I've been the one to be like, hey, let me like show you something cool. Yeah. Is that weird? Show you something cool.

You've been putting more than you feel like you get. Here, come to this spot I like to go. Come. Yeah. You need them to show up at that like halfway mark. Come. Yeah. You need them to show up at that halfway mark. Yes. Yeah. That's what it is.

I'm sherping them the whole way. And the thing that's tough is that if you're anything like me, you're a people pleaser. And I can only kind of speak for myself, but I do that a lot too. And I do like that. I like being like, this is me. I'm showing you this stuff. I'm letting you in. But then you're halfway through the game and you're like wait a second if I just

piggy are you yeah piggyback ride and I'm just like taking you to what I like to do and like I'm opening up my life to you but is are you is it being reciprocated yes yeah that's it am I getting the invite back to your house right yeah and then then all of a sudden, three, four, nine years in, you haven't seen their home. No. All of a sudden, you realize that they're living a life that you never knew before.

Nine years in? Nine years in. Absolutely. You've never even seen their home. I know. Guys, I've been dating this guy for like nine years now. I think I'm going to go over to his place.

We're hoping it works out. Are you seeing someone? I'm not. No, I'm so single. Do we love that? Do we love that? I think we'm going to go over to his place. We're hoping it works out. Are you seeing someone? I'm not. No, I'm so single. Do we love that? Do we love that? I think we love that. Yeah.

I think we love that for Kira. Okay, cool. For Kira. I mean, here's the thing. You are the only one who calls me Kira. Is that weird? I love Kira. No, no, no, no, no.

I like it because it's such like a, it's like a you and me thing. It sounds like NRA. And you know what? I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. No one was thinking about NRA until you said it.

And now I've ruined it for myself. And your needs need to be met. My needs need to be met. I keep showing people the world. Wow. Wow. The crazy rifle association. The crazy rifle association.

I would say the kids rifle association. Kids rifle association. What is it like to have three names that like cause I feel that must be very powerful

it rolls off the tongue for you though yeah it really does thank you so much I I love it but I will say

when I introduce myself so I'll be like hi I'm Katie Ruth and then you'll go I'm Matt Rogers and I go oh you think I'm saying my full name

and I remember I was being at a show I was being at a show. I was being me at a show. And they were like, and tonight, like I have performances from Pat Regan and Katie Ruth. Pat Regan and Katie Ruth.

And I was like, okay. But also like, who am I to be like, say my last name, bitch. I don't know. I think that's part of the part of the journey of getting your needs met yeah i'm sorry excuse me my name is katie ruth ashcraft i've been here and i'm here and you must know and we've been dating for nine years and also i want to find out where you live and go there yes i feel it's it's my right. I don't need a key.

I just want to, tell me the address. Tell me the address. I want to see the street view. I just honestly, okay. Wait, that is a point in a relationship, a new relationship, I feel like, when you're having a little, like, flirtini with someone,

and then you're like, let me show you the Google Street Map of the house I grew up in. Oh my God, I just did that with the guy I'm seeing now. It's such a moment. It's such a moment. You know what the thing is? Oh, he'll be mad.

But I didn't ask him to do this. He was just doing it. Wait, he showed you his house. He asked me for my address that I grew up in, and then he looked at it. And then I was like, wow. I love it. I'm scared for you.

No, don't be afraid. No, no, no. I welcomed it. It wasn't like, I can't believe he's doing this. It was like, oh, he's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. No, it's such afraid. I welcomed it. It wasn't like, I can't believe he's doing this. Matt's 30 minutes late next to us. He's doing it. He's doing it. No, it's such a,

and then like it's so funny because you just like do the 360 and you're like, yep, that's, oh, that's the car my dad used to, okay, okay, that's it, bye. Yeah, well, it's weird too because I don't live there anymore

and so then I looked at it and also it's like, you can go on Zillow. Have you ever been on Zillow? Yes. Oh, and then it's pictures of the inside of your old house. It's empty.

It's full, and then I got emotional because I was like, oh man, I love my old house that I grew up in so much. And then this is the gag. Oh, my God. You can see how much it, like, goes for if it were being sold. And I was like, that's crazy to think about your home. Because you always just think of it as your home and not as something to be bought and sold or, like, having value. But it's just weird.

And then I was, like, looking at all my friends' houses. I think if you're especially like, I grew up in the same home from like four till we moved out of it like three or four years ago. Wow. So I wasn't moving around a lot. Wow.

You know? Yeah, no. So then that way I'm just like, this is just where I live. But then I wonder if you're someone who like moves around a whole lot, you are just thinking of houses as like commodities.

Cash, cash, cash. Yeah, it's all about cash, cash, cash and commodities. Yeah, it's like, I want to buy a house. Yeah. I've been watching the show Dead to Me and she's like a real estate agent. Christina Applegate plays a real estate agent.

Yes, that's what it is. A three name, another three name wonder, real estate agent. Real estate, actually that's... Performances from Katie Ruth and real estate. But performances... Performances, it's like it's the VMAs. Performances from Pat Regan Katie Ruth and Real Estate

that is that is a band I feel like yeah Real Estate is a band yeah but she is it real estate it is

oh it is okay cool oh is it really yeah it's just like a beach rock yes real culture so basically

wait what was I saying oh so she plays a real estate agent on the show and something that her character will do is she'll just knock on doors of houses that she'll like and she'll be like are you thinking of selling and it's like what are you saying no because also so like i'm in bed stye and then that is a neighborhood that's getting like rapidly gentrified and there's a lot of like people who've owned the

homes there for a very long time and then there's like they have signs on their door that's saying this home is not for sale don't ask wow yeah because I think people like developers come up they're like how much yeah which is crazy wow

could you imagine no I really can't I mean that's not something I ever knew to be true of the world wait I had a crazy thing happen this morning whoa

okay so um I woke up to someone knocking on my door really loudly like 8am I was awake just like

yeah yeah yeah I was in bed um and I look at the people and it's a cop and I open the door I have like the chain I don't open it all the way

because I'm like what does this cop want and he's like did the woman across from you move out and I was like well someone just moved in there this weekend

I also just moved in two weeks ago to this apartment so like thank you guys wow big moment for me and they're like

I was like well someone just moved in so I'm guessing someone just moved out and then they were like have you seen this man and it's a photo and I was like no

and then he was like okay well thank you and I was like wait is he dangerous like you have to tell me yeah and then they were like so he's the nephew

of the woman who used to live here and he is considered armed and dangerous and would sometimes come here and they were like, so he's the nephew of the woman who used to live here. And he is considered armed and dangerous and would sometimes come here. And they were just going to leave? And I was like, but he's like, I guess the aunt doesn't live here anymore. And I was like, well, I was like, yeah, I don't know. And then they're like, well, call the cops if you see him.

And it's truly the most grainy ass photo, security footage, high angle of this West African man. And I'm just like, no. Like, first of all, like this is a, you're trying to be like, call the cops. I'm like, I can't see what this man looks like. I can't just call the cops on like any West African man I see. That's crazy. And I just was like, no, goodbye. He's armed and dangerous.

It's so weird to me that they were just going to come drop that information and then leave. Yeah. And then you had to ask. Yeah, I was like, should I be worried? Is he dangerous? And they're like, not no. Yeah. Well, I guess she's not here.

Yeah. I wouldn't not say that. It depends when you say dangerous is. Wow. It was such a, it was a moment. Are you living alone? No. So my roommate was there.

My roommate was like, well, what was that? And I was like, well, maybe you should go see this guy's photo even though it's a terrible photo and she looked at it also she like chased them out the street and was like chase them out the street and was like let me see the photo because we're like but then like it's a it was a terrible photo it was like yeah print it out on computer it was like an email print it wasn't like a glossy like mad headshot wait actually i'm not gonna talk no about this. No, you have to. You had an instant. When I said the word headshot, her eyes opened so wide.

She splayed her hands. I know. It turned into a little parakeet. One time I had to return some film equipment to the UCB training center and I had to go in through the freight entrance. There's a security guy down there. And that is where they

have all the people not allowed to enter the building because they might be trying to get in through the back entrance and not through their ID with the front entrance. So were there UCB people? Yes, and there was their headshots. Oh my god, a bunch of like UCB

headshots, Sandy Honig. Sandy Honig headshots. Oh my God. A bunch of like UCB headshots. Sandy Honig. Sandy Honig headshots. Literally. Like it was. And so like for the other floors, it's like Facebook profile photos and stuff like that. And then for UCB,

it's like there was one guy with a clown nose on and it says, do not laugh. He can't come in because of that picture. The clown nose. But it's like,

yeah, because these people have given UCB all their headshots. So then they're like, do you have a photo? They're like, actually, we have their photo, their resume. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was surreal.

And I had all this film equipment in my hand. Did you know anyone? I didn't know. I didn't recognize anyone. But I wish I had taken a photo. But I had the equipment in my hand. And I was going into the freight elevator. And I was just like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

There's a bunch of headshots on here of like undesirables I ugh. Ooh baby and that's. It was so funny. It was so funny. Headshot culture is the funniest thing in the world I think. Yes. Absolutely. It's so funny. What people think is a good picture of them or when they post on Facebook like which one of these five

it's all them with the same like half smirk like. And if you also like a headshot's shelf life is six months. Yeah. But not even that you like change your look. It's that you look back on it and you're just like, I'm not that person. No, I'm not that person.

I should like apologize to people from my past. And the worst is like, I haven't updated my website in such a long time. And like at the time, like I put all my old headshots up there. So now whenever anything happens or it's like people find a picture of me to promote for a show it's always these like insane pictures of me with like a goatee and like like have you changed your website at all is it still glowing so much anxiety glow in the dark green letter oh my god

it's so bad it is so bad you have to take bad. Take it down. You have to take it down. I took mine down. You have to take yours down. You took your website down? Yeah. Or should I just take it all down and just put like tour dates up? Sure.

You should just have like a one pager. One pager. Honestly, yeah, I'm going to do a one pager because right now it's like bio with all these like insane bad jokes.

Yeah. Oh no, is it really embarrassing? I don't know. No, no, no, no. I haven't, I don't remember the bad jokes but it's like. Matt, it really embarrassing? I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I haven't,

I don't remember the bad jokes, but it's like, Matt. Yeah. But that is, but that actually can be paused. Pause, pause,

cut this out, Matt. It's terrible. No, it is, but it's hedgehog culture and website culture. Oh God. I've had the ugliest moment like 2015,

2016. Well, I'll, yes. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh,

Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, 2016. Well, I'll, yes. Oh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Karinja Runa.

Yes, Karinja. Do you know, I did this thing where I was looking through, I downloaded my whole archive of my Facebook posts. Okay. And like a zip file on like my desktop.

And you threw it into the ocean. Threw it into the ocean because I deleted it permanently. I did like whatever. But I was looking for an old video of a project that Matt and I are going to revisit.

Revitalize. Revitalize soon. Stay tuned. By the time this comes out. It's Four Nights in Orlando. It's Four Nights in Orlando. We're going to revive Four Nights in Orlando with the original cast. Original cast and creative team behind Four Nights in Orlando.

And the original locations and settings. Original locations and settings. This is sort of related to that. Last night I was having dinner with a friend who grew up in Celebration, Florida. Oh, wow. Which is like one of those Disney towns. Yes. And all the,

and there's a bunch of tourists that come there all the time. And she was only there for like three years, she said. And one time she was riding her bike and fell off the bike and tourists started taking photos. Oh my gosh.

Celebration, Florida. They thought it was like a... A joke. Yeah. A character bit. Yeah. Isn't gosh. Celebration Florida. They thought it was like a... A joke. Yeah. A character bit. Yeah. Isn't that... That's insane.

Do they shoot things there? I don't know. I think it's all... Oh, no, but it's like the whole... There's like a main street. You can't see me, reader, but I'm like quoting. And it's like,

it's supposed to be like a little Disney town, but a lot of Disney employees live there. Yes, they do. They do. Yes. It's central.

It's close to Orlando it's like right there it's like Kissimmee like Celebration they're all right there Buena Vista you ventured outside of Orlando

whenever you guys go there there's one lobster place which is amazing which is all you can eat lobster buffet and I have gone there and one time famously my dad said

when we were there for like the third year he was like you know it's almost worth it to just fly down here for this I love this that's perfect it was so because the deal was so good that's gotta be that good i believe him and my dad said it's almost worth it to fly down here just for this and i i i remember like literally it was like something that we all were like

you're right like like without knowledge i just like should we we all were like you're right like without knowledge of should we? what were you saying about the zip file you downloaded it all I've just been looking at like it saves all your videos from like the plastic macbook era do you know what I'm talking about? front facing camera

like pixelated as fuck and like god I looked so crazy back then and like what counted as like funny videos to put on your friend's walls back then. Oh, it's deeply embarrassing.

It was like, it's truly like, this is an example but I had to turn it off immediately. It was, it was me and Henry Gamble being in Billy Domino's bed in college

being like, hey Billy, we're in your bed. Ooh. And that was it. It was truly horrible. It's a gay joke it's a no it's

it is Bowen you made a redundant gay joke it's not even no no no it wasn't even and there's receipts and actually he is mad that you're late

it's like you're so mad at me I can feel it it was it's just like oh my god this counted as like interesting

humor behavior back then behavior you would just come like yeah you would just come at things being like, ha ha,

miss you, like, see you soon. Yes, yes, yep. Yeah, and it's like,

we all had text messaging. What were we doing? What were we doing? And like, but like, or like, last night was fun. Two years from now,

we're gonna listen back to this and be like, this is the most embarrassing conversation somehow. I mean, I don't know about that. I think this actually is the coolest thing

anyone's ever done. yeah, yeah, timeless. I think we, I think we're gonna have that moment with Facebook store. Sorry, Instagram store. Instagram store.

Absolutely. Sometimes you'll be just like, wow, that person is just talking to their camera and their husband is out of, like, four feet away, like, just on his phone scrolling. And she's like, today's been crazy. Listener. And I'm just like, I feel crazy. It is crazy. It sort of jumped the shark for me a little bit.

Addressing, I've done this before, so I'm reading myself too, but addressing your phone and being like, hey guys, anything. It is cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. And having to like, having to like emote, just being like, you won't believe. And it's like, you're in a room by yourself.

Why are you emoting? Yeah, like, what's, I just, Or lip syncing songs. songs yeah oh my god i've done it i did it one time to capital letters by hailey steinfeld and i was like i hope people know this is like ironic and a joke because when you watch it there's an it doesn't read like can i tell you to this morning because last night i got i smoked weed and i thought about starting a twitch channel and i I was like, absolutely not. Yeah.

But I might still do it, but absolutely not at this moment. That's something I have no interest in. What's Twitch? It's the gaming streaming where you're playing a game and you have a webcam on you and you're just like, okay. And then you're just talking. That is what being a girlfriend is. Just like watching a guy play video games.

That's actually rule of culture number 51. Twitch is what being a girlfriend is. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Being watched while you play video games. Oh, God. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Anyway.

Did your ex-boyfriend like to play video games? I've never dated a real gamer. A gamer, yeah. Which. I think that's good. It's maybe a choice. It speaks to your character. Yeah, or like if they game, they game in their own time.

Yeah. Right, right, right, right, right. That is a need of mine where like I'm not gonna spend time with you and you're just staring at, you're just following down a little path trying to get into a little treasure chest. You know what's interesting

is when you start seeing someone or you're hanging out with someone and like you have like who they've presented to you in like the sort of peacocking dating thing. Yeah. And then the hidden interests start to come out. Totally.

You know what I mean? Like those little things like like whenever like, OK, I'll just be I'll just reveal this. What is he actually trying to say? So whenever I go on my YouTube, like you ever click on YouTube and there's recommended videos? Yeah, it is who you are. It's who you are. It's a cross section of what you like. And so like

I didn't do this with anyone I was dating but I did do it with Greta Teitelman and Abe Schwartz who I was living with. Like one time they saw my YouTube

like landing page or whatever. And it's all Housewives. No it was like it was like clips from The View and construction videos from theme parks.

Yeah. Of like roller coasters and theme park attractions that they are building. And I had to turn to them and be like this is me. Yeah because Of like roller coasters and theme park attractions that they are building. And I had to turn to them and be like. That's so honest. Yeah because like the housewives would be like oh like I love housewives. Like that's who you're presenting.

It's also housewives. That's like your sun sign. Yeah. And this is your moon. Your moon sign like YouTube is like. And do you want to know what's been appearing lately? This is so humiliating. There's a scene from Glee. It's Gwyneth Paltrow's last scene ever that she was on on Glee

where she just sang Turning Tables by Adele and then there's a scene where she says goodbye to Matthew Morrison aka Will Schuster because she got a new job as a substitute teacher the whole bit of her character was she's a sub so she's never around very long and she like goes and hops from school to

school and subs and is fun and changes people's lives. She's like a little carpetbagger, like school to school. And so she realizes it's going to get serious and Matthew Morrison sings Turning Tables and then says to him in the hallway I got a new job subbing somewhere else. I'm going to be teaching Spanish in

Cleveland. Isn't that great? I got a new job subbing somewhere else. And you could tell it was a joke. Like, I'm going to be teaching Spanish in Cleveland. Isn't that great? But Gwyneth Paltrow just delivers very matter-of-factly. And you're like, okay, we're moving on. But so she says to him, like, he's like,

are you having any feelings at all about leaving? And she's like, no, I'm a substitute teacher. This is my life. I'm allergic to commitment. And then they have this beautiful moment where she says to him, you're in love with someone else and it's okay. And I'm leaving so you can go to live your truth.

And then she, movie star, walks away, turns around and is like, and just so you know, she's totally into you too. And then she turns away again and she gets a second movie star turnaround moment which is Matthew Morrison goes Holly

will you come back and visit? And she has this moment where she turns around tears in her eyes she looks stunning her beautiful hair is like back she's in this gorgeous

black dress and she goes I thought you'd never ask. And then she literally walks away into the black shadows and she looks so stunning and you're like movie star. First of all so because I watched that I'm now getting like And then she literally walks away into the black shadows and she looks so stunning.

And you're like movie star. First of all, because I watched that, I'm now getting like all these scenes from the later seasons of Glee that they're like recommending. I watch it. I'm like, no, get these out of here. That's I, I have had, I've been rewatching 10 things I hate about you because I'm writing an essay on this one scene where Heath Ledger he's dropping off Kat and because she's just been drinking

at the party and he goes like I can't pretend I can't do an accent at all but he's like no offense I know everyone's

crazy about your sister but she's without I remember this yeah and that has stuck with me she's without is that from Shakespeare

is that from Taming of the True I don't know it's such a good writing and then she does this sort of also like her head spins around like a little owl and like her mouth parts and is like and then kind of smiled like i might just fall and like she's like this face says this what did she say oh she doesn't say anything but like the face is like i think i can fall in love with you like you get it my sister like it's without, but I'm with. And it's literally like cemented my entire sexuality and love life. That scene.

I love that. But I've been writing about it. So I've just been like watching all of these clips. And my whole thing right now is just like Heath Ledger, slow-mo like fan videos like rest in peace yeah videos of him looking hot on a song

it's like Avril Lavigne you make me so hot make me wanna drive you're so ridiculous and it's like Ken burnings dad this man is dead this man is dead

exactly it's Ken burnings like down to his like face to his like waist and you're like okay you know what I'm talking about

those fan videos that like little girls make that are like sexy videos of like Jake Gyllenhaal. And it's like, you make me so hot. Yes, absolutely. What's on your YouTube page when you go on the homepage? This, a lot of cooking videos. I follow these two YouTube chefs. One of them is this Rachel Ray knockoff named Laura Vitale. And she lives in Jersey

she might have voted for Trump but she's lovely she like makes the most basic food in the world and it all looks delicious it's the most delicious beef stew you've ever seen no she's better than Anthony and she like has a lot she has some charisma it's developed over time you go back and watch her first videos

and she's just like so uncomfortable and so nervous and like doesn't know what to do and doesn't know like where to look and like, you know, what to say and how to like fill in the silence. And now she's like very seasoned and she's very compelling to watch. Then-

Do you cook? No. Okay. I don't cook. Oh, I was not even done saying. I don't cook. Okay, I was gonna ask if you like make the recipes. Sometimes I do.

Like I've made her green goddess salad. It's really good. I've made her green goddess salad. It's really good. I've made her beef stew. It's delicious. And then lately it's been ASMR because Natalie Walker recommended. Natalie Walker, for some reason, knows so much about ASMR. And I've been getting into it. And Queen of Serene.

Everyone, please check out Queen of Serene. Queen of Serene. She lives. She's this hippie, dippy lady in Texas who does amazing hand work. Like a big part of ASMR is like the visual component, which is like moving the hands. And she started out just on her face and now she's moved away to just her hands because she went through the surgery where it's made her gain weight and she's very self-conscious about being on camera and she's very honest about that.

And it's very like, it just makes you like her. And like she just does a lot of hand movements and she has this video that I think is phenomenal it's one hour of her I never

she went but you will absolutely watch this both of you she she goes to a thrift store she went to a thrift store and bought

a DVD and a VHS player for five dollars and this is part of the video yes it's it's in the lead up to the video she's telling you about okay okay it's all an asmr verse i'm not gonna do it but it's all in a do it no no well she's she's so there's there's soft spoken and there's a whispering asmr so whispering asmr is actual literal whispering but soft spoken it's like so today I went to, it's like, Oh my God,

it's scary. That's the point. And so she, so she, so she'll, she narrates, it's just, it's,

it's a top, it's an overhead camera over a bed sheet. And it's her backdrop for putting these VHS tapes of Disney movies that she just bought at the thrift store. She goes, I got these eight for $1, eight for at the thrift store she goes I got these eight for one dollar eight for one dollar and then she goes and then she says

you can't beat that price and it's the most soothing soothing voice in the world that is wild sweet and it's just like there's gotta be like an extreme couponing and ASMR crossover world. Absolutely. There has to be.

But that is her lifestyle. That's wild. I love it. She does like Korean beauty hauls and like all this stuff where she just, she taps her nails on like all these products, but she taps her nails on these VHSs of Disney movies and then she just talks through them

and it's the most like basic rudimentary assessment of all these iconic Disney movies where she's just like, the little mermaid is next. And it's not the first. Oh, no. Great. See, because here's the thing is it's like, it really doesn't matter what you talk about as long as you're doing this.

Exactly. Which is cool, cool, cool. It's cool, cool, cool, but it's. Is it a sexual thing? For me, it's not. For me, it's mesmerizing. For me, it's not. Okay, but here's the thing. Everyone I've. It doesn't work. It doesn't do anything to me. It doesn't work onoo. It's cuckoo, cuckoo, but it's... Is it a sexual thing? For me, it's not. For me, it's mesmerizing. Okay, but here's the thing. Everyone I've...

It doesn't work. It doesn't do anything to me. It doesn't work on you. That's fine. I don't think it just makes me uncomfortable. Totally, totally, totally. I'm like, speak up. Speak up.

Speak up. I can't hear you. But everyone I ask, they're like, it's not sexual for me, but for some people it is. For some people it is. But I've never met someone who's like, yeah, I... It's sexual. I get off to it. Well, I did seek out, at one point male asmr and

there's just one like guy who looks just like fucking chris hemsworth who like his whole thing is he's a rude englishman and he'll be like he does like rule get off he'll do like he'll be like rude restaurant he'll be like rude restaurant patient i hate this yes and people people love that i hate this negroni i hate this oh yeah hates this negroni so that people love that. I hate this Negroni. I hate this Negroni. Oh, yeah. I hate this Negroni. So that was like, I kind of got off on that. I didn't literally get off on it.

But I was just like, oh, this is like a fun little like pseudo boyfriend experience. And I fell asleep to it. But Natalie and I talked about this where she's like, I don't, she and I don't get down with the young girls who do it because that is like, that's crazy. Because that feels like other like men are using them for nefarious no no and that's my problem with the whole thing is it's like i feel like some people are doing it for one reason and then people are consuming it for a whole other reason yes and it's dark and it's like why are what's going on well so the queen of serene so queen of serene is like very this is the shitty word to say and like i don't mean for this to sound

pejorative because it's not but she's wholesome like there's no like sexual I mean it sounds like she's going to a thrift store to buy a VHS like

she does and it's wild she has a series of what she calls hospitality baskets where she's like she'll show you

baskets she'll leave in her guest room and things that she puts in and like snacks and like like razors and like shaving cream and like shampoos and body wash loose razors like she'll leave in her guest room and things that she puts in and like snacks and like razors and like shaving cream and like shampoos

and body wash. Loose razors. Like she'll be like, loose razors. Loose razors. All this shitty stuff in my bathroom. I'm whipping out my little,

I guess you could call it a little box. Yeah. I put it above my toilet. There's like one cute tip. I have some loose razors. This one's really filthy. I should throw it out

oh this is a pair of tweezers that are brown on the end this is my daughter's umbilical cord and here's just some brown water pooling in the corner I did an emergency

c-section I think Matt you should do like a parody ASMR account yes now I think you two should just dip your toes

and talk to Natalie. We'll DRT's. I am not surprised to hear that Natalie Walker likes ASMR because she could do good ASMR, I think. She could. She has such a like a, she's from the theater, so she can hit all the consonants.

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is I want to take her back. Take her back. And I would like to ask Katie Ruth Ashcraft, our guest today on this episode of Lost Culture Readers, what was the culture that made you say, culture is for you? And you guys look really excited. Your mouths are open. And you got ge culture is for you. And you guys look really excited. Your mouths are open.

And you got ging. I know. I'm just so excited to answer this question. I told you guys I just moved. Yeah. And so when I was packing and unpacking, which was truly a three-week process, I listened to so much of your guys' podcasts. You did?

Really? So much. And I listened to a few episodes. I literally listened to all of it. Oh, my God. And then I. You did? Oh, really? So much. And I listened to a few episodes. I literally listened to like all of it. Oh my God. And then I got this email being like, come be on it. And I was like, I truly think I manifested it. Anyways.

But I was like, before I got the email, I was like, what would my answer be? And I was like thinking about it. Yes. This couldn't have been better timing. Wow. Oh my God. Oh my God. But I have so many answers.

So you can give them all. We want to talk about them timing. Wow. Oh my God. Oh my God. But I have so many answers. No, you can give them all. We want to talk about them all. Okay. So, what was the culture? Okay. I have a very distinct memory. So I am not like,

even though I make films, I'm not a huge like movie buff. I feel like I missed out on. So did I. Everything. Me too. I hear that. But I also like,

I like what I like. You know, it's like, but that's also a problem of me. A problem of me? A problem of me. Front runner for title of that.

A problem of me. Of me. A problem of me. Yep. Remember that Pieces of Me? Pieces. Pieces.

Pieces. Pieces of me. Do I remember it? I saw it twice live. As a gay teen. Anyways, I have this very distinct memory of being at the beach with my cousins and then some family friends. We always went down to the Outer Banks in North Carolina. And my cousin Ephraim, he was like, there's this movie that's so funny everyone should watch.

And it was Drop Dead Gorgeous. Oh, thank God. Yes. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. there's this movie that's so funny everyone should watch and it was Drop Dead Gorgeous oh thank god yes thank god thank god has that been brought up a lot maybe

but like not in a long time we talked about it once before but it wasn't someone else's culture anytime anyone answers this question and they don't say Drop Dead Gorgeous

I just go yeah and it just came out on Hulu too I know what it's like it re-entered the zeitgeist oh that is a helpful

it came out on Hulu I think July know. What? It's like it re-entered the zeitgeist. Oh, that is a helpful cultural thing. It came out on Hulu, I think July 4th, which is so perfect for that movie. And I just remember watching that and being like, one, this is the absolute funniest thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life.

And it also, it was like women being so funny and irreverent. And like, I don't consider myself a performer, but I consider myself very funny. Yeah. Yeah.

I get you. Which is a chill thing to say. Um, but, um, I do. And, um,

but it's, so it was like, I don't know, just like everything. I don't know. Yeah. Immediately. It was like,

this is everything. Right. That it was so like the scene where the, um, former pageant winner who has anorexia don't cry out loud. Lip syncs, don't cry out loud. While being pushed around in a wheelchair

by the nurse. Even by today's standards I don't find non-PC or offensive. The irony, that image is so funny. Yes. Just that slice

of culture and that being played like it was obviously for laughs but then just seeing the audience like loving it yeah like that's when i was like this is the funniest thing i've ever seen in my whole entire life what's so funny about that to me is the fact that that was her winning talent yes yes when chris the alley, who could forget? Who could forget? To Don't Cry Out Loud by Melissa Manchester. And it's just like, oh my God,

the realization that that was what she had done and this is like a reprise of her winning talent. The physicality of that actress. And she has her arms out. And they're spinning her around in the wheelchair.

I mean. And then when it's, just keep it inside. Just keep it inside. I've been getting it inside learn how to hide your feelings just the fact that that song exists

is a huge cultural win oh my god I mean that was just the best thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life so that was such

a moment for me and I think that kind of like started me off on like just like funny teenage girl movies so that made way for 10 things i hate about you well 10 things i hate about you jawbreaker sugar and spice oh man i love

sugar and spice these movies for me what was the other one oh there was there was bring it on at that time too which was welcome to the dollhouse which like it was just like oh girls being crazy is my favorite thing and I think I mean like yeah blah blah blah like not the conversation of like are women funny

or whatever because we're not no no totally totally totally totally totally but it like I just like

locked in with that so much and I think and when I was thinking about this question a lot, so my mom comes from this big old Catholic family, and there's five girls and one brother. And her and her sisters are just the funniest women in the whole entire world.

And I come from these matriarchal, like my dad's family, he was raised by his grandmother. It's just like the women just like rule to the coup yes and they were so fucking funny and finally I was just like yes I'm seeing

all these crazy women yeah on TV and I love it yes it's like that thing we were saying we were saying

on the episode we recently recorded where it's like with Max Witter something happens where you don't necessarily understand exactly why you it's hitting with you Witter something happens where you don't necessarily understand exactly why you it's

hitting with you so hard but it hits with you so so hard and then maybe years later you'll figure it out why but it's like I remember watching Drop Dead Gorgeous and lots of those movies you just mentioned and being like I know this is my sense of humor I do not know why these like this like Midwestern town of

that's like led by this all female cast like I think I did know why because it just was like I obviously just like gravitated more towards women but it was formative totally and like especially with Drop Dead Gorgeous it's the pacing of it is so great it's so carbonated

like it's just there's so much happening it's fun the entire time oh my god like yes my only complaint with that movie is that when it ends I'm like I wanted to see the big picture because everything is so fun and it almost feels

like there's a third beat it doesn't play yeah but you know what I say okay so I you know what I say you know what I say you know what I say you're wrong a problem with me. There is something about what is so great because you're kind of just living in this world and we're following along with the pageant

and with these murders. But then what feels sort of dissatisfying about that ending is that it sums up and they're like, and then she went on to work with Diane Sawyer, which is wonderful and it's great, but it's not, the narrative structure of it, great, but it's not,

the narrative structure of it, I feel like, it doesn't feel like there should be an ending because it feels like you're kind of just in like a waiting pool with everything there, which I do, I think that is a kind of comedy I love though. Yeah, sure. But you don't want it to ever end.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a comment on how great it is because when you, I remember feeling like it didn't have a third beat, but really the first beat is the preparation and then the real climax of that movie is the pageant in the town the Monroe's pageant

yeah I mean like and also I remember like I don't know how you guys feel but I personally have and I don't know what this says about me but when people die in movies I don't know what this is but i have a i really get upset when people die in movies like because i'm like that was someone's life so and like when

i don't know what it is i'm literally crazy are you talking about denise denise richards no no because in this movie i only thought it was funny like it was so big and like when when the girl gets blown up on the tractor in the beginning, I'm like, these are, it's like a funny, and maybe it's cause I was young and like, wasn't so kooky bananas and like,

didn't care so much. But it's like, I think as I've gotten older, I've become more sensitive. And like when people die in movies, I'm like, that's sad. Like I know.

And at this time with this movie, it's just like, it's so cartoonish and, and like so funny that every character that dies, dies, I'm just like, they're gone. There she blows. Somehow Denise's flow blowing up and seeing Kirstie Alley's character just— It's crazy. It's crazy.

That's shocking. And it is actually the first real moment of pain and pathos that you feel in the movie. I mean, Kirstie Alley gives a great performance in the movie. Everyone in that, I mean, incredible. We got her, Denise Richards. Kirsten Dunst. We've literally sung the praises of Kirsten Dunst on this podcast so many times.

Underrated, makes it look easy, one of the best. Yes. I think that, yeah, it does have this weird third act problem where it just sort of evaporates at the end where the last beat is kind of just like the food poisoning at the nationals or whatever. There's a de-heightening thing

that happens. It's de-heightening, that's what it is I think we're like waiting for so long about like what's happening and then we get the answer but then yeah, I don't know I don't hate it but it's not good. Does that make sense? I'll tell you this nowadays, nowadays that is a series like I don't hate it but it's not good does that make sense I'll tell you this nowadays nowadays that is a

series that's a TV show nowadays like because there wasn't the I think space oh my god maybe they should do this now I mean talk about something

that should be rebooted as a series like Crap Dead Gorgeous really should be have you guys rewatched it recently it doesn't hold up it doesn't hold up but I will say

parts of it do well a lot of it does, but there's parts of it that you could not do. Absolutely not. The references to the mentally challenged guy, like Will Sasa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Japanese family. Oh, yeah. Even the pedophile humor is like,

iffy. There's a lot of it that is like, but you could redo it now in a responsible way. Totally, totally. Yeah, I know. it was very funny. A few years ago, like I showed it to an old boyfriend being like, this is the movie that raised me and I hadn't seen it in a long time. He was like,

really? And I was like, yes. But the things I remember about her, like the little one-liners, like you think you'd have the mall, you think you'd have the parking lot of America to go with the mall. I went to the mall of America and I said that.

Um, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's absolutely brilliant and then her little like, whether they can't tell, oh,

she can't hold the wine like us and she's like, glug, glug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little things also like,

truly all the supporting performances are so good. Like the two like, drunk ladies at the end who run the regional pageant. Yes. Like, so good.

Like Allison Janney and Ellen Barkin. Ellen Barkin together is so good. Truly, I mean and Ellen Barkin together truly I mean that is a duo we should cherish yeah that was oh my gosh

yeah so that that was one that like opened my eyes of just being like oh I'm finally seeing women as funny as I yeah yeah

that's a really good one they can no they can no they should be portrayed totally because it's like

you really didn't I remember on stars at the time, there was that movie that played again and again and again and also Bring It On. So it was like double dose of Kirsten Dunst and it was large female cast of really, and what I liked about it is the characters were characters. Yes.

You know what I mean? Like really, like Eliza Dushu's character in Bring It On, that's like you never forget that character. It was well drawn well performed like Gabrielle Union was so like strong in that movie and like such

just like every actress was playing it for everything it was worth even the little supporting characters like that didn't get anything like there were choices made like it was fun and it was like

it was campy to use though yeah totally totally and there's the word of the year and like not to like always mourn something like from the past but like it's weirdy to use though totally and there's the word of the year and like not to like always mourn something from like from the past but like like it's weird that you don't

get a small budget comedy with large female casts anymore besides like I mean you get you get like your bridesmaids but those are that's big budget right that's what I'm saying there's no like small budget thing with like a bunch of like great actors but like

that kind of thing gets like shuttered away at Netflix or like it gets buried in a streaming service that no one no one's gonna like

watch it and have like a big conversation maybe like Someone Great is the exception I was gonna say you know what you get a lot nowadays

and this is not to this is not to poo poo it it's just like I see there's a formula that we're following and I think we should be cognizant of the fact that it could get a little rote you see a lot of like three diverse girls i know you know or like one white girl one spanish girl and one black girl and it's just like

look at them and it's just like you guys like i can feel you trying to to to cater to an audience and it's like it like because of the way they market it and because of like do you know what i'm saying like i get that this is like you know like you know what i call them like instagram story movies right like it's a little like um pat on the back ish yeah and it's it's like oh no i'm show me some fucking weirdos i know show me some and like you know weirdos yeah there's not i mean and then there are movies like that but it's like but they're far and few between oh I had a point I was going to say about

Zoey Aldo's yeah there's not oh but I think part of it is like with the reaction of like social media and stuff I remember

remember that short story that came out like two years ago maybe Cat Person and I really liked it I thought it was good and then but then there was like

this backlash being like actually it's not good it's good. And then, but then there was like this backlash being like, actually, it's not good. It's fat phobic. And it's like, well, it can be. About the guy. Yeah. And it's like, well, it's a piece of fiction.

Like people are fat phobic. Like we can, this girl is allowed to, like, you know what I mean? It's like, that doesn't make it a bad story. You don't, that's a character you don't like. Yeah, right. And people couldn't distinguish the two. Yeah.

They thought it was an article. Yeah. Because it was the New Yorker and they were like, oh, this is, like, the treatment of it was like, the conversation around it

was that it was like a news story. Yeah, or that it's problematic and it's like, well, no, it's a story. Like, I don't know. It was kind of like they couldn't decipher it. So I think sometimes people are like,

we need these people we super relate to and like, and then it's like, well, yeah, what if we have someone who like, they're fat phobic or they're whatever and i'm like that's not a good trait in them but like we're following their story and we don't have to be like rooting for them and also i do you want to just go out on a limb and say that the people

who were calling cat person fat phobic were just the men. Because it was like, you're making fun of, she doesn't want to fuck this dude who weighs more than, who has a weird BMI. Like, whatever, weird. But you know what I'm saying? It's like, it was that,

I distinctly remember that that being sort of pushed by men. Yeah, and also, here's the thing, there are women who are fatphobic and there's women who are homophobic. Totally, yes. And also,

that is not being like i think sometimes we get a little caught up in being like that story deserves to be told um which like yes that does like work in a lot of ways but then also it's like yeah but like let's hear from these like you know i guess like anti-heroes a lot i don't know if they're anti-heroes but like well yeah yeah we don't have to be like on the same page as the people we're seeing their stories and it is there is a lot of sexism in it too because it's almost like when something like Breaking Bad

or Mad Men happens, it's like literally Donald Draper and Walter White become almost like icons. Donald Draper. Donald. Don Draper, wow. I thought you were going to say Donald Trump.

Donald Trump. But they become style icons, cultural icons. And, like, you, you, you, Don Draper is, like, a horrific person. But yet, like, he's, like, Don Draper and is cool. And, like, but meanwhile, like, and this is not to necessarily, like, super, like, whatever. What I'm saying is, like, it happened to a show like Girls. And, like, Hannah Horvath does things that are shitty and it's like well, Girls endorses this kind of

person and so fuck Girls. With all these shows that revolve around men, it's like just because Mad Men is about a misogynist who's a cheater and an alcoholic and so many of those things it doesn't like we we don't say well madman endorses this kind of behavior yeah yeah everyone's

like oh interesting like look at a complicated man yeah well they get anti-hero totally and then and then it's only recently where like the anti-heroine is embraced and we can't just see everyone as like anti-hero right you know what I mean? It's like these shows with women at the center or with female cast, it's like we hold them accountable for the behaviors of the characters and it almost makes it impossible to see shades of gray in these kinds of people

because I think it's like with Cat Person, it's like, well, it's fat phobic. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, well, maybe it's just like about this type of person and it's like you're saying it's a story. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. But you know what I miss? You know what I miss? Is that like, what do you miss? I miss like a fucking villain, like someone that you're,

everyone is meant to hate and be on the same page about at the same time. There's no fictionalized. There hasn't been a fictionalized villain on TV or in film that I like, that sticks out to me. No, Mary Louise. Oh, Mary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah., Mary Louise. Oh, Mary, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

From Big Little Lies. From Big Little Lies, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I get it. But I also like... There's still like this thing where people feel like they need, the creators feel they need to round out these characters by having you sympathize with them in some way. Yeah, and it's like sometimes, give me the tropes. Give me these stock characters.

Right. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe that's like a weird unfounded claim that I'm making. But like, I feel like we're missing. Yes. Like, we're all like getting off on like complicated antiheroes or whatever. Even with the most famous villains like Maleficent. It's like they go out of their way to humanize her. And it's like she's Maleficent.

She turns into a dragon and tries to kill Aurora. She's a fucking villain. And she's iconically a villain. Yeah. So let Angelina Jolie be the villain that's why we bought the ticket actually we don't need to actually that's why we bought the ticket number 43

let Angelina be the villain that's why we bought the ticket actually okay oh really quickly I just want to say you talk about Drop Dead Gorgeous not aging well not holding up

for some reason last night I this is not quite the same thing but last night I decided to I never watch Friends I don't really care

for it as a show but I put on the Brad Pitt episode and I was like I remember loving this when it aired when I was like 11 and like loving it

loving it loving it it was like the funniest thing I'd ever seen it was so cool it was such a moment everyone was watching Brad Pitt be on Friends. Yes.

A terrible episode, terribly written. And I would say actor Brad Pitt sucks in it. Like it was just about the novelty of it. It was about the novelty. Yeah. But then like the whole storyline was like, yeah, like Brad Pitt and Ross, like Brad's character and Ross starting this rumor in high school that

Rachel was intersex and that she was a hermaphrodite. And that was like such a cathartic laugh line of like, oh! That show is number one for LGBT panic. It's so bad. That show sucks. I'm sorry. But it was also a show that was on every night in my house. And it's one of those

shows where I've seen every episode, but I couldn't tell you. But it was on every night. It's a flat show. There are some people, and I don't understand every episode, but I couldn't tell you. No. It was on every night. It's a flat show. There are some people, and I don't understand these people, and I would love to sit down over coffee and talk to these people about this. It is a textureless

show that is a smooth surface. I cannot tell you what happens in it. Well, I mean, that was what comedy was then. It was like someone coming in, and I'm like, Karen Walker being like, all right, Mary, and then the audience was what comedy was then. It was like someone coming in and I'm like, Karen Walker being like, all right, Mary. And then the audience would laugh for 15 minutes. Listen, Pam. And the thing is, it's like, it is funny,

but it's not a joke. But then also those, then also like they do do jokes on those shows in the most like joke way. Yeah. So it's like this interesting thing where it's like, I don't know. Network TV in the 90s was so interesting. Just like truly.

And then we're like, we gotta invent the internet and like give us something else to do. We gotta invent the internet. We gotta invent the internet. They show up to the office where they're inventing the internet. Like guys, we're pushing up the deadline. Friends is getting bad. Friends is the deadline. Friends is getting bad.

Friends is getting bad. Friends is getting bad. That's so funny. Speaking of Brad Pitt, like, they are rolling out the red carpet for that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I know. Oh, yeah. Have you heard anything about this? I heard about the ending.

As a filmmaker, what do you think of Tarantino? We're ordering you. I mean, it's hard for me to have a super strong opinion about anything. What has he made that I've liked? Kill Bill. I liked... In Glory's Bastard? No, no, no.

What's the one with Travolta? Pulp Fiction. I don't worship at the church of him. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little like a Tarantino movie is a Tarantino movie. Yeah. Sometimes it just feels so like, he's saying things no one else is saying.

And like, he's doing what no one else dares to do. And I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I don't think that's true. I don't think it's true. It's like a little like, you get these people on pedestals. And that's like what this issue is. Like, we're't think that's true. I don't think it's true. It's like a little like, it's just that you get these people on pedestals and that's like what this issue is. Like, we're just sort of seeing the same things over and over again.

Again and again. And it's like, yes, that's cool. But like, let's get a few like, I don't know. Somebody said like, circulating on Twitter yesterday, the reason I bring it up is because it was like Brad Pitt

and Leonardo DiCaprio and they asked them both like, so when are you guys going to retire? Brad Pitt is 55 and Leonardo DiCaprio is 44. So asking Leonardo DiCaprio when he's going to retire, A, to me is cuckoo bananas. And also it's just like, could we be more obsessed with youth?

He's 44. But also the second thing happened where it was like, there was this article that was like, Leonardo DiCaprio has bravely never done a sequel and never done a superhero movie. And then someone, Zoe Kazan. Zoe Kazan posted something. She posted this article

and then she wrote something I love, which was she wrote like, do a movie with a female director for the first time in 20 years challenge. And I was like honestly, yes. Let's not. What was the last movie he did with a female director? I don't know, but like it's been years and it's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's great. No, I love that. There hasn't been a lot of effort on Leonardo DiCaprio's part to involve. Like if you ever really think about it, every time Leo was in a movie, it is the Leo show. Yeah. And it's like really sort of masculine aggro stuff. And it's like, he comes from that like. So funny.

Brad Packy like sort of like. He killed a bear and lived in it. Yeah, he comes from that like, so funny. Brad Packy, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He killed a bear and lived in it. Yeah, killed a bear and lived in it. Like,

man, man, man, man, man. And it's like, yeah, he never did a sequel or like a superhero movie,

but that's not brave. But Katie Ruth is just like, yeah, bravely dates like a 22 year old. It's like, yeah, like he's the same like person as Dane Cook in essence. You know,

it's like, he's not like a, don't make him noble. Shut the fuck up. That's what I'm kind of saying. It's like,, it's like, he's not like a, don't make him noble. Shut the fuck up. That's what I'm kind of saying. It's like, yeah, he's, he's not, like, he's good.

Yeah. But like, we kind of like elevate these people of like, and it's sort of, yeah, it's like, but yeah, like actually, like we're seeing art in such a like

eight person little cesspool and it's like, well, yeah, go with a female director. Yeah, right, exactly. Imagine a female director being like a bear is going to birth Leo DiCaprio. Yeah, truly.

We're going to see some vaginal metaphors. Or not, if they don't want to. If they don't want to. Wait, what are your other answers? Oh, yes, yes, yes. If you have them, if you would like to offer them. I know. Okay, well, so both of my parents are artists. So I grew

up in a very like little arty household but they are uh my mom's a a printmaker and my dad's a sculptor um and but i yeah that was cool and that is i know it is it is and so like i do feel like i um was very one thing that has been so helpful and and it's something I've only been realizing recently, because being a creative person, your success gets very tied into your popularity. And that is, believe it or not, something I've struggled with. And I think I'm the only one, actually. Yeah, that's you.

That's a neat thing I'm working on in therapy. But I will say one thing is, like, they're both incredibly talented and they're very respected in their fields, but they're not, like, famous artists. And that has been such a helpful thing for me to think about in terms of, like, growing up my whole life, like, they're artists. And there's nothing tied in with, like... Followings.

Yeah, exactly. And there's something that's like been very helpful about that and just like i that this choice i would say that's been sort of recently maybe in the last like two years for me just being like oh i am a filmmaker i am an artist yes and like um and just like deciding that and not waiting for approval and i will say that sort of a mindset switch right has like helped me create like some of my best work. Cause it's like, you're just doing it. And it's not like, you're not trying to find, like you're not trying to like tap into an energy that's already out there

or like in the zeitgeist. It's like, you're just following what you want to be doing. Cause like you have to trust yourself as a creative and as an artist. And yeah. So I think that was was incredibly helpful and incredibly and also I had a normal people are like

artists must have been crazy and it's like no I went to church every Sunday like you know that's so cool and like that will be

a constant fixed point for you to have to have your parents come from that to have that lifetime of an experience totally and there's something

just so and that is a true privilege I come from of me being have that lifetime of an experience totally and there's something just so I mean like and that is like a true privilege I come from of like me being like oh I'm gonna do comedy I'm gonna make films

like I never had to like convince my parents of anything which I consider myself very lucky in that regard but again

it's also just like been a very helpful role model of just like oh they are both artists like no matter where like the tide is on what is and isn't popular or if their work is in vogue or not and like seeing like when i was growing up my dad my dad makes these very like conceptual like sculptures

and artwork which is very neat and like he but i will say like as he's, as he's gotten older with me and my family, we've all gotten older. We all age. He's become, I feel like, more well-known and his work is being, like, recognized more. But it's so interesting because, like, he's been doing the same stuff my whole life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he didn't, like, change from that. And, like, it's cool just being like, like you'll get recognized eventually or if you don't like you're still doing the thing you want to do

and also the kind of thing of recognition as the goal like I feel like the longer you do this you realize like that actually can't be it because you're reminded of people like that really pop off like when they're truly in their 50s like I always think of like Ann Dowd and

Melissa Leo as examples of like people that like're truly in their 50s like I always think of like Ann Dowd and Melissa Leo as examples of like people that like popped off in their 50s Allison Janney like 40 years old yeah and it's like she's a staple of like 40 years well here's the thing she had she had she just like wasn't on our TV screens and I think that's part of it is like

you take yourself seriously as an artist and then when that like when you're not waiting for someone to like take your hand and that's how it was for me with this film so I just finished shooting this film Ramsey

which was incredibly fun and also like we were saying earlier the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole entire life and I threw such a terrible wrench

into it I'm so sorry it is okay I mean you were very missed but Bone was supposed to be in it but he had something else yeah and that happens that's the biz It is okay. I mean, you were very missed. I'm so sorry. But Bone was supposed to be in it.

But he had something else. Yeah, he had something. No, and that happens. That's the biz. But we had an incredible gal, this girl, Sophia Dobrushin, who was actually a PA on the film. Oh, great. And she ended up doing the part and knocked it out of the park. Wow.

It was like, I just finished a rough cut editing it before I came here, and it was like, ugh, she's just like a little piece of candy. I love it. A piece of mean candy. If she wins the Oscar, I deserve the credit. And that's what I told her. I was like, what is the film? Okay, so it is a short, well, really quickly before I get into that, what I was saying was, like, I was really getting a point where I was like, I want to make this film.

I want to make films. But, like, I'm waiting for someone to, like, tell me it it's okay to do it and I had this phone call with Katie Skelton who is we love her I just think she's one of the most talented people and she is a friend and maybe this would embarrass her but like she I consider her like a mentor in some ways based on just like some phone calls we've had and like the opportunity she's given me and like I've just had this phone call with her last like February and I was like I want to make a short like where do I start like how do I do it

and she's like you just start and it was like the best like anti-advice ever and I was like well what if I don't know what I'm doing

she's like you aren't gonna know what you're doing you just like say you're doing it and then people come out of the woodwork and like so I started this film

and then I cold emailed a DP this incredible girl Charlotte Hornsby who is just incredibly talented and is like yeah look her up charlotte hornsby charlotte hornsby um i cold emailed her with the script she loved it she came on board and then i like started just assembling this team and then people are like oh you keep talking about how you're doing it and then this one guy who i was friends with was like let me be your ad so he comes on brian flaherty comes on as my ad from an instagram message wouldn't have happened without him like he brought it together elizabeth

scatt and this girl came on and was my producer and it's just like oh like you just move forward and say you're doing it and like i know that sounds very like woo woo wah wah like the secret but people fall in line it is yeah yeah wah the secret yeah yeah yeah and so it was it was an incredibly affirming process because it was just like oh this didn't come from someone being like

that's a great idea you should do it it just came from being like you just decide you're doing it yeah it's like not to be like

whatever this might even sound woo woo wah wah but it is the secret and it works it's an inertia thing it's like you just you don't move

until you start moving and then once you're moving you keep moving yeah exactly and like yeah yeah and i was just like oh i'm gonna make this and then i was like i've never fundraised before and i raised like fourteen thousand dollars for it and i had money um that which is another thing i try to be like really transparent about it's like i had a great aunt pass away and who unexpectedly left me some money wow and because filmmaking is like fucking expensive yeah i think that's like a thing that should be talked about more because it's like so cost prohibitive it's yeah it's insane and then so when she had passed away i was like wait this is a good bump to like on top of this i can raise money and get to where i need to get so that's i mean that's i was gonna say

that's so lovely that you're that she left you some money. Fran, Aunt Fran, if you're out there, you're up there. I love her. Aunt Fran. Fran Liebman. She was born on

88th and Columbus. Okay. I know. All right, Aunt Fran. So what part of the process are you in right now, editing? So we just literally assembled the rough cut

right before this. But so anyways, to answer the question, it is sort of this like whimsical, surreal, short comedy. It's going to be about like 11 to 12 minutes long. The perfect length. I agree. And it's about this young gal, Ramsey,

who's played by Nadia Pinder, who's truly a fucking star. I looked her up because when I thought I was going to, and she's great. Oh my God, she's the most delightful delightful charismatic like you could just like watch her say the alphabet and you're like i'm entertained um and anyways she's sort of at this point where she's hitting a bunch of like roadblocks both of like her own making and of other people um like enforcing that upon her um and then she's with a friend, this girl Rachel, who's one of my favorite characters in it,

played by Edie Modica. Edie! Who's an icon to me. Super mega star. Icon to me. The funniest. I'm gonna show you some clips of her. Like, oh, it just like,

I'm obsessed with her. She's so incredible. She's so incredible in this movie. And then basically, Ramsay is in an antique shop. She breaks all of these dolls by accident, has to buy them. And then Edie is like,

what are these dolls? And then in a moment of like, fuck, what are these dolls? Ramsay's are like, they're my show. This is my show. And then it cuts to like her putting on a show with all of these broken.

They're like, she puts on a show with all of these broken they're like she puts on a show with those uh broken dolls and um then ed's manager comes to the show is obsessed with the show but then gives the dolls their own television show and not ramsay and then ramsay has sort of like a um like we see the, the mental fallout of like watching these dolls become famous. Oh, I love that. Yeah. It's, it's very funny.

It's very silly, but it was also very cathartic. Did you write it? Yes, I wrote it and it was very cathartic to write. And like, it's sort of this girl just like no one's understanding her. And a lot of people are like telling her things about herself that aren't true and so she's this really great moment like that's

this like climactic scene where she's yelling at this guy who's just at a taco shop with her played by um bardia salimi oh my god who's so great and um she's and he's like just yelling at her about stuff and she's basically like like kind of like fuck you you can't actually i know exactly what's happened to me and I know who I am and it's just like really cathartic moment and so it's fun I can't wait to see it

yes I'm so excited so we're finishing up and then we're gonna be submitting to festivals and hopefully it'll be on NBC this fall hopefully NBC

NBC you will culture number 12 hopefully NBC that's the plan that's amazing oh my god I can't wait. Congratulations. Thanks, guys.

That's such a huge deal. Yeah, I mean, but it was really the hardest thing I've ever done. Like, the days leading up to it, you can ask my good friends, Elise Morales and Bailey Edwards, who are incredible. But I was, like, I'm calling them, like, my emotional support producers. Like, I was losing my fucking mind. I bet. And they were so helpful but I think

they were also like get this film out of her yeah that helps that helps the process because everyone just wants you to totally totally like the most like magnanimous way of just like just for everyone's well-being let's just make sure this goes as smooth truly

that sounds amazing I cannot wait when do we think you don't know when it's gonna come out well so I'm we're gonna yeah you don't know well let me finish

let her finish tomorrow no just kidding no well we we don't know in the sense of like I'm gonna try and get it into a few big festivals

and then that'll be the premiere cause they they want you to be the ones like to premiere the film so you hold it back and yeah so it's a stay tuned it's a stay tuned it's a stay tuned because they want you to be the ones to premiere the film so you hold it back. So it's a stay tuned.

It's a stay tuned. And now you can tune in for I Don't Think So Honey which is going to happen right now. So this is our one. Did you not know? No, no, I knew but I'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be fine.

Remember when I famously did an I Don't Think So Honey tried to recite a poem and it... Oh my God that was my favorite ever just the second performance of the night yeah but no I I love that the poem eventually got out there it got out Boeing gave me the extra time which was the most charitable thing anyone's ever done for me oh there you go he was a charitable boy except with his time in the beginning of our episodes um do you have something I do I have something this is Matt Rogers I don't think Sony's time starts now I of our episodes. Do you have something? I do. I have something. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. You saying you're not going to see Cats. You are going to see Cats. We're all going to see Cats together in one huge amphitheater. And it will play the biggest theater in the world. Here's the thing. Cats is going to be a cultural moment. And I know I'm one to talk because I don't see any scary movies.

Like, I won't see it, too. I did not see us. And like, but the thing is like when a cultural moment like cats rolls around, like I don't think so, honey, you're not going to see it. I don't think so.

Honey, you're not watching the trailer and seeing Jennifer Hudson in that cat drag, old cat drag in a world where we're supposed to accept that she's older than Judy Den. She's the oldest cat. You're not going to see that. I'm sorry. I don't think so. Honey oldest cat. You're not going to see that. I'm sorry. I don't think so, honey.

You saying you're not going to see Taylor Swift sprinkle catnip in a can and put those heels on. I don't think so, honey. You're not going to see cats. I was seeing Lion King. The women next to me go, I know we're not going to see. I turned to them and I said, I don't think so, honey. I was like, you'll be there.

I'll be there. We'll all be there. And we all laughed together because we all know we're going to see cats. I don't think so, honey. I was like, you'll be there. I'll be there. We'll all be there. And we all laughed together because we all know we're going to see Cats. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Absolutely. We are going to see Cats. It's unmissable. Oh, Bowen, I just saw your shoes. They're great. Oh, thanks. They're great.

Thank you. Love it. Your shoes are great. You too, Matt. Thank you so much. They're just simple sneakers. But this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey feng shui, bitch. It is the biggest Asian scam in the world. And we're all falling for it.

Lock, stock, barrel, bitch. My mom comes and visits me in New York City and starts moving shit around my apartment. I go, mom, what are you doing? She goes, you can't have the mirror facing the bed because you invite evil spirits or some shit. No, my mom is Marianne fucking Williamson all of a sudden. And she's talking about spirits and energies and love and battlefields. No, mom. Let me put my plant next to my couch.

It's fine. 30 seconds. My mom goes, you can't have a plant with a pointy, spiky leaf because it promotes violence. It invites violence into your life. You need a wide, broad leaf. And I go, mom mom it's a leaf and it will not do anything and i'm doing okay for myself right now and me putting my end table in that corner of the fucking room pointing west or where the sun sets is fine it's not gonna kill

me i think my mom five seconds better go to fucking school to interior design school and not follow this ancient chinese bullshit that's one minute and that with that with that request of your mother that's one of my that's one of my best that was very good that was great i love any i don't think someone says afterwards that was one of my best but you said that about yours you bitch you said that was you said that was one of my best roll the tape did I say that today but like in the past if it didn't happen today

it never happened and that's a rule of culture I don't think it's honey feng shui that Asian scam thank you one of my best one of my best is it time for Katie Ruth? I think it's time for Katie Ruth.

Katie Ruth Ashcraft. This is Katie Ruth Ashcraft. I don't think so, honey. Queen. Queen. This is Katie Ruth Ashcraft. I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.

Okay, this is one that's been sort of brewing with me. I don't think so, honey. Angelina Jolie. Okay. I, you little skinny-faced, big-lipped, not-a-lot-going-on. And here's the thing. If you put up anyone next to my favorite woman in the world, Jennifer Aniston, it's going to be Jennifer Aniston 11 times out of 10.

All right? She is funny. She is charismatic. You've never made me laugh, Angelina Jolie. You're always so serious. And you're just collecting children from all over the world, which I think is weird.

And also one time you were in a movie where you played a weather woman, and it's the only movie I ever rented, and then I turned it off, and I had nothing else to do, and this was also before the internet. So I just sat at home, and I just think that you are sulking

throughout the world, and I don't appreciate it. And leave France, Angelina Jolie. I don't appreciate it. And move, leave France, Angelina Jolie. I don't think so, honey. Come back to America and face your fears. That's one minute.

Honestly, that movie was called Life or Something Like It. It was the worst movie I've ever seen. She had a blonde wig, right? Oh, it was so bad. Sulking around the world.

That's what she does. Yeah. She has dark energy for sure. And it's not fun dark energy. It's not fun. She was fun to me in one movie and that was Mr. and does. Yeah. She has dark energy for sure. And it's not fun dark energy. It's not fun. She was fun to me in one movie, and that was Mr. and Mrs. Smith. She really was funny to me in that movie.

She has such dark energy, and it's not spooky fun. It's literally just like, oh, this kid's dying all over the world. And you're just like, okay, Angelina. It's very apparent that like, oh, you grew up in showbiz

you're you have daddy issues but your family is rich and you're you're finding I don't know I go back and forth on her

I never really loved Stan and Angelina ever I'm such a Jen girl me too I've always been team Jen because here's the thing

think what you want about her but she's having fun my thing with Jennifer Aniston is it always feels like she just had a glass and a half of wine, and I love that. Yes, exactly. And at any time, she's had a glass and a half of Pinot Grigio, and she is living in it. And she's also, like, always friends with people. Like, everyone's always like, Jen's my good friend. Yeah.

Or like, this is not founded on anything, but, like, I feel like she's just a friend where I feel like Angelina's like not a friend no yeah come on see I've heard things about both of them about people who have dealt with them personally and I've heard that Jennifer Aniston can drink like a fucking tank good and she'll be chain smoking cigarettes and like talking to you about you

and I've heard that Angelina Jolie is legit like mom first like that's not that's not fake and that she is a huge fan of Survivor and which I kind of love

that she like stands this reality show but I feel like that's an alien coming down to earth and being like what do humans enjoy what is the reality show

that's good here oh yes Survivor they must survive on an island I will learn human things and I can be a good mother. She's iconic.

Call me mother. Call me mother. I would say this. They're both iconic and we don't have to compare them. But we do. But we do. I will say,

Angelina's an icon, but not a fun icon. I don't want a fun icon. Well, it depends on what you find fun. If you find car chases and guns fun, then Angelina Jolie is the person for you. If you find like car chases and like guns fun, then Angelina Jolie is like the person for you. If you think Pinot Grigio is fun and someone like literally like hiding under a bed

to get away from like someone who comes into a bedroom and she shouldn't be there, that's Jennifer Aniston, honey. Like Angelina Jolie gives me like dark red fingernail energy girl who plays the violin. Yes. You know? And that is the type of girl that people like. That's the who plays the violin. Yeah. You know, that's. And that is a type of girl that people like.

That's the type of girl that people like. And I'm not that people. Honestly, it's kind of crazy because Jennifer Aniston is the head cheerleader and Angelina Jolie is the goth girl. But I feel that like mainstream America has kind of like really split and been like, we like the goth girl and we like the head cheerleader, which actually is a progression because ordinarily you just go right with the head cheerleader.

With the head cheerleader. But Angelina Jolie has like the dark, they truly are two sides of the same coin, which is what made that whole Brad Pitt thing so crazy. It's very Jackie Marilyn. Very Jackie Marilyn. But yeah, okay. But also reversed

in that Jackie was the dark one, but the kind one and Marilyn is the voluptuous vixen I was gonna say that Marilyn was the dark

was the goth energy underneath the surface a blonde goth okay blonde goth tell me more Avril Lavigne oh my

gorgeous Marilyn Monroe is Avril Lavigne and vice versa same yeah same thought here same thought I think we should forgive I just Asians out there My gorgeous. Marilyn Monroe is Avril Lavigne. Yeah, that's- And vice versa. Same. Yeah, same. Same thought here. Same thought.

I think we should forgive- I just- Asians out there, we gotta forgive Avril for the Hello Kitty video. No, we don't. It's time. It is time for us.

Oh my God. Because of what? Avril and- Was it Avril and Lil Mama? Yes. Lil Mama and Avril Lavigne. Remix. Yep.

Lil Mama and Avril Lavigne. And Lil Mama, two people who are extinct. Lil Mama and Avril Lavigne. Remix. Yep. Lil Mama and Avril Lavigne. And Lil Mama just- Two people who are extinct. Yeah. Lil Mama does have a fun line in that girlfriend remix where she goes, something, something, something, something. I'm telling you like Jennifer Hudson. Oh my God.

It was right after Dreamgirls came out. I'm telling you like Jennifer Hudson do you guys remember that Robin song and she does a duet with um you guys were just at the Robin concert

we were she does a duet with um oh my gosh oh and it's like LaBac Latel do do do do I actually have

the world's worst voice that's no no yes well we're gonna put it to the test in just a second

oh great no I can't remember the song whatever well it's out there somewhere look up robin duets everyone yeah um this was truly such a fun this was this was really wonderful um i i i just adore both of you and we love you and i feel like we just have known each other for a long time we always forget i know i know we've loved i've loved you so long. We always forget. We've loved each other for so long. I know, I know. We've loved for so long. I've loved you for so long, like the film with Kristen Scott Thomas. Yes. Anyone remember it? I do remember that.

That was the French one. Yes. Yes, it was. And I saw that by myself in theaters back when I was seeing serious movies by myself and trying to be a serious little boy. Me too. I was renting it from the library.

I rented that from the library. Katie Ruth, thank you. Thank you. And look out for Ramsey. Yes. It's coming. It's coming it's coming and we do end every episode with a song

great hey hey you you I don't like a girlfriend little mama and Avril Lavigne there we go and now we can end forever

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