Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Think You Owe Me An Apology" (w/ Dave Holmes)

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

Las Cultch welcomes an effortless fount of pop culture Dave Holmes! Matt, recovered from food poisoning, and Bowen, fucked and ready for work, get into it with Dave about the Britney of it all, American Crime Story: Impeachment and the lean cuisine culture it depicts, the paparazzi industry and how it's evolved with social media this century, what the hell it felt like being an MTV VJ, the original broadway cast of ANNIE and the women of variety in the 70's. Also, a story about Christina Aguilera that will send a chill up your damn spine, a Prince quote you will never forget, and an explanation of what it feels like when Tori Amos looks at you. This episode of the podcast is going to flood your guts. (Sorry!!!!) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, Matt! Oh, I see! Wow! Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Ooh, baby. I need to really level set with everybody. Get level set. Matt is one of the strongest people I know. And he is really showing up today,

despite having gone through a whirlwind health moment. It's not a scare, but it could have been a scare for a second. Just pretend right now from across the country that you're holding my hand, because I really need the support right now. I feel the blood pumping through every joint. I need the support right now, as I announce to the readers and the publicists, really anyone out there listening. When you think that what love you can't hurt you the most,

don't think that. And that's a rule of culture. Number 40. When you think that what you love the most can't hurt you the most, don't think that. Because when I went out to dinner on a Monday night, and I just sat down in Los Angeles, and I was so happy to be home,

I went to my favorite restaurant. I'm not going to name them because I'm not going to do that to them. Yeah. I'm not going to do that to them. But I went to my favorite restaurant and ate my favorite dish, which is oysters, raw oysters,

on the half shell, if you will. I've had food poisoning ever since, but over a week, the experience of losing my faculties has truly shaken me. I have lost seven pounds and it's been

harrowing. I'm now on an antibiotic and on the way back to me. But to know that my own daughter, the oyster, came for me in this way. I don't think she's the daughter. You love her the most in a way that is like an abusive

lover because she really hurt you. It was, she, the oyster, they know what they have over me now and that makes me really scared to move forward with my life because am I going to stop eating oysters? Never. Never in a day. But now that I know what they can do to me,

it's a very abusive relationship. Thank you for saying the words. I'm not even using that. I know not to use that word lightly. Do not. It's the A word. I'm not. I didn't.

I didn't. Girl, I didn't. I didn't. And so, and I just think that you should, I mean, in a way, I admire that you haven't let this change your relationship to oysters. But another way, the fact that you're not even willing to like name the restaurant as a way to, what are you protecting? The oysters? I just, I feel that that would be that, that would be very, and I'm sorry to bring them into this, but Demi Lovato against that ice cream froyo shop.

Oh, sure. Because it might not have been their fault. It might have been just a little something on the ice. No, they weren't. But I don't want to be that voice sort of reaching out to my, what is it? Millions of followers at this point. I have such reach that I don't want to cause this restaurant to close. You know what I mean?

Because I know if I were to say something and be the whistleblower, the community would rally against me and no one would set foot in there again. That's, the community would rally on for you. Rally for you.

Against them on my behalf is what I meant to say. Thank you. Can we say that Matt's reach really is Millions. wide. Well,

how do you feel, honestly? Honestly, okay. I find it so, there's a real feeling of justice, an emotional sense of justice that I have when I think about the fact that I am looking at all these people out here dressing up as Twink and doing Twink, doing Twink cosplay. All these people, there's been like two or three doesn't matter it's people and i think you must feel some vindication look at god

look won't he do look at god put me on netflix and now millions are dressing up as the character twink from q force they're all getting into their little wait this is this is such a gross way to bring this in but my stylist last week at the emmy's like was he was like i was like what are you watching he was like i've been watching that show q force do you know as like i know it very well did he love it or hate it he loved it and he was like telling me about the episode where twinkie dresses up as aaron brockovich yes doesn't but doesn't understand that aaron brockovich was not a reporter and i was like that's such a funny i was like see, that premise itself is so funny.

People have to watch Q-Force. It's so much fun and you'll love it. And I feel like it got such a dragging on the internet when the trailer came out and now everyone's

turning around and being like, now the tweet is, this is the tweet that annoys me now. It's like, actually, Q-Force is not that bad.

I love it even. I'm just like, what are you, well then you shouldn't have done this. Exactly. It's purely even. I'm just like, what are you doing? You shouldn't have done this. Exactly. It's purely them telling on themselves, being like, wait, I had this really uninformed,

knee-jerk reaction to an edited-together trailer from a marketing team that I don't understand. I don't understand what they were going for. Whatever. And now that it was able to shoot me to the A-list because finally the internet has turned out

I have Demi Lovato powers. I have Demi Lovato powers and I know that it would be irresponsible of me just have some knee-jerk reaction and take down this Los Feliz establishment there. I'm going to narrow it down. Okay. Okay.

How many Los Feliz places sell serve oysters? Damn. You are, you're making this cereal. I knew one day it would come along that you would make this podcast cereal. Girl, I had the, I went to Best Buy today and I thought, Okay, hot. You went to Best Buy? Horny vibes.

Hot. I was like, damn. You know, I wonder how Best Buy feels about the last time they were actually in the zeitgeist being cereal. Mm-hmm. how Best Buy feels about the last time they were actually in the zeitgeist being cereal. And before that, they were only famous for being in the store they worked at in 40-Year-Old Virgin.

They were only famous for that. They were only famous for that. And they were only famous before that for being the place next to the Park Meadows Costco in Aurora, Colorado. Yes!

Where I would go when my mom would be shopping and I was bored and I went to the Best Buy to play Dance Dance Revolution with the employees there. That is specific. There would be dance. I'm telling you.

There were circa 2003. There were full on dance battles between me and these blue poloed, lovely employees at Best Buy. Oh my God. Who loved DDR as much as me. And then people, believe me when i say people would gather that was when i first that's amazing that was when i first caught the performance bug oh my god it's so great to be able to pinpoint that moment a dance dance revolution battle with best boy employees best buy my best boy we're gonna interview the best boy in a second we are the best boys here but first i

want that's very beautiful and i don't and i'm so happy for you that you have that and i'm so happy for you for another reason congratulations are due as a scholar would say going in has been moved to the repertory cast of saturday night live the big promotion as it were there's none bigger there's none bigger you know it's there's not a bigger promotion that is also just purely a technicality and everyone's like congratulations it's like that has to happen i'm like it's it's in the contract it's fine um but no i'm very very very very grateful very happy to be on the other side of the opening credit sequence yes oh my god you transferred right over to the other side. To be a with

to have with credit with with all the names. Oh, and can we just pour one out for the wonderful, wonderful Beck Bennett and one of the best we have to have back on the pod. Maybe now he'll have more time. Just one of just one of the nicest, kindest, funniest,

most talented people who would do who could do it all. I mean, not for nothing. So, such a wonderful leading man. So handsome. Yeah, he really was great for the show. It doesn't get any better than handsome, goofy, funny, kind. No, handsome, goofy, funny, kind, and also, like,

he seems like a generous person. Like, he's, like, generous with his time, energy, talent. I feel like, you know, you can tell that he was well loved at the show and he really was good at everything and so he is one of the he's one of those that will be missed and you you'll only realize it now that he's gone

you motherfuckers you should have you should have known what you had campaigned yeah you should have campaigned for him to stay for a hundred years speaking of handsome funny goofy kind what the hell wait what the hell we have our guests but can we just really can we check in really quickly i have not watched salt lake city yet because i've neither have i i fell asleep in the middle of it because

i did you watch potomac i'm sorry i did i did a scholar our girl had a great moment the way she snapped at mia i said a scholar you're you're you're building a legacy i don't even care about the mia snap because mia i'm just like i'm not even like, she's so all over the place that I'm like, I don't like this. But her one confessional cutaway this episode, I think it was her second or third all season. Yes. But it was when Giselle wants to give them the tour of the house. And then, and then Escala sees like the bare spiral staircase. The spiral staircase to nothing

to nothing and she goes um I'll come back and then her confessional is you know when there's when there's stable steps and you know

there's like a door I'll be back but like I'm like the delivery on the line read on that was when there's a door I'll be back

I'll be back so funny it wasn't like you're building a legacy this house is a piece of shit she was just like no no no like you know when there's like a door there and functioning stairs all that's what i'll come back so funny i think she's so so good i'm really ready to say escala legend i'm ready to see her at the legends ball i'm ready to see her go all the way all the way she's going the distance speaking of i'm happy we checked in. But speaking of legends,

this is what I realized today when I was thinking about our guest. By the way, this has been a long time coming. Long time coming. Oh, yeah. Kind of in a way, without him, we're not up here being the culturistas.

He was really the first culturista. If you really think about it. If you really think about it, this is someone with like an academic understanding of what goes on in culture i mean i would say like i would i was gonna say star turn but it's like we've known about his sort of mind and the way that it thinks about pop culture but in the framing britney spears documentary you see him and you go well here's an authority i have been waiting to talk to him about all that as well, because it's been a lot has gone down

since we did our Britney episode. And to have a better guest, I don't think would be possible. When we say original culturista, what we're saying everyone out there, and maybe some publicist and readers don't even know, some are going to be like, yeah, of course, but maybe some are young. VJ, mama. VJ. That was the original culturista, truly. The VJ was the original culturista.

Someone with a curatorial eye, someone who had to have presence to be able to say to you through the camera, through the screen, hey, what you're about to see is important.

And cool. And cool. That was the number one thing. And okay, we so much to get into with our guests. Also the host of the homophilia podcast with Matt McConkie. Incredible. One of the best.

I mean, just every, everyone you could want to hear from has like a gorgeous episode. They're great interviewers. It's just so fantastic. One of the best podcasts. They asked much better questions than we ever could. They run circles around us and we like it that way.

As, you know, the dizzy I feel after my guest spins around me is the best kind of dizzy, the best kind of nausea, best kind of food poisoning. Second to the oyster. Second to the oyster. Not since the oyster have I been spun around like this. Today. Today.

This is a major moment. Bowen, are you ready to welcome our guest? I'm ready. Everyone, welcome. Dave Havol! Oh, you guys. I want to use all of that as my bio. You can.

I'm just going to use an audio clip of it and just have that playing. Tower move. At all times. Let me just paint a picture for everybody listening. Please. Because you can't see even the podcast or a visual medium we're talking today through zoom but he is in this

beautifully paneled office the walls have whatever the walls are gorgeous and then he's got like these fantastic framed photos of uh there's one thing i can't tell what it is and then there's another a framed photo of cbgb and it's so chic. And it just, it's just like, this is culture. This is a culture king. Yes, it really is. Thank you. Thank you. This was my boyfriend's studio.

So the panels behind me are acoustical panels. Amazing. Amazing. That he made. Now we've taken over the guest unit on the, on the property.

And that's now where he goes. So these are, this is like a simple burlap over some, some foam. Simple, but effective. Yes. that is in fact cbgb and then and then behind me is a uh a gold record for robbie williams the ego has landed that i have and i don't know why oh my god wait i can't believe that i are you a robbie williams superfan you must i am a fucking superfan. Yes, I absolutely am.

You two school me, because that's a blind spot for me, and I feel ashamed, but we need to know about what you think of Robbie. He is the perfect pop star. Yeah. He strikes a tone that nobody else in the culture does, and that is why he is not big in the United States.

Like, he's sort of in on his own joke. It's a little bit like, it's kind of a character. He's like larger than life and like, and sexy. And it's just, it just doesn't work. We don't know what to do with those boys in America. You know what I mean? You got to be, you got to be Chris Martin or you got to be, you know, that's kind of it. That's kind of all it's available to you. You have to be taking Martin or you gotta be you know that's kind of it

that's kind of all you have to be take yourself really seriously or be really cool when you're a guy there's no room for like cheekiness like that's what I would say

about like that's exactly the word Robbie Williams is like funny and that's like it's like he's like observing

and funny and like camp and you can't do that in America with a male artist yeah no watch his set at the nebworth festival and i don't remember what year but just search robbie williams never like it's just this in this crowd that you can't like your brain cannot conceive of the size of the crowd wow and he just fucking holds them in the palm of his hand yeah

he's incredible so i i must have mentioned him because, you know, he tried it a couple of times in the States with Millennium. And then Angel and Angels. And he had like, I'm loving angels instead. That's the one. Jessica Simpson would go on to do a more popular version. Wouldn't she ever? Wouldn't she ever?

Bowen, you know the version of Jessica Simpson Angel I'm loving angels instead Yes I believe so You can hear it in your head if you don't know it It's exactly what you're picturing She shouts that one to God only To God himself That one was for God And after she got off stage

She definitely looked at her assistant And grabbed their hand or whoever it was And just said that one was for God And they said i know jessica you say that every time and she goes well it's true they're like this time it was absolutely true yeah but yeah i mentioned him on the air because i do love him and it didn't quite come together for him whatever but the album went gold and they sent me one love and uh so there you go so this is the thing. Oh, go, go, go. Matt Rogers, we can bleep this. L&O? L&O?

L&O... Oh, you're asking... Yes. Was it L&E? The answer is no. L&E. Sorry, L&E. It was not L&E Oyster,

and we don't have to bleep it because I'd love to take it off the table that it's them. Don't bleep it. It was not L&E Oyster. That was front of mind. That was front of mind. I love that place. You wanted to protect yourself. I will tell you what It was not L.A. Oyster. That was front of mind. I love that place.

You wanted to protect yourself. I will tell you what it was off air. I'll tell you what it was off air. Have we crossed off one of the few remaining options, though, as far as a place in Los Feliz that serves oysters? It seems like we have. It's not L.A.

Let's just say there is one that hasn't been mentioned, and that place unfortunately, they wouldn't be in this position of the will they won't they, will we name it in the reader's minds, which I won't, but they shouldn't have given me food poisoning then. That's all. Sure. Wow. My heart is with you.

My heart is with you. Thank you. I have a relationship with oysters as well, and I would hate for it to come to an end. It just took a hard left, you know? Yeah. Well, I'm sorry for it. What's your oyster preference?

You like, you're a briny guy. Which coast are you thinking? Are you hearing this? Are you hearing this? Why is there music? What is happening on my computer on this day? Wait, what the fuck is going on? What is that?

This is beautiful. We're keeping all of them. It's like a woman cooing. That was a meditation that i was listening to earlier why did it start playing i don't need you now no meditation listen for a meditation to stress you out to stress me out that you want to talk about a betrayal yeah talk about something that you love being the thing that will kill you meditation that almost meditation giving you stress It's like a horror movie. That is truly like a horror movie twist. It's like a horror

movie twist. It's like one of the most scary parts of a horror movie. Lord have mercy. Oh, wait. That's like a great... Someone write that up. A Blumhouse scary movie about an awful cursed meditation app. A cursed meditation practice? That's actually really good. That's a good black mirror. A black curse meditation app that's a great

black mirror it is solid I think Dave should play the person that the voice because Dave Dave you've heard this your whole life but I feel like Dave really just does have this such a good timbre good voice thank you so much it's a cool

from where does that come from Oh God you know tea in the morning now I don't Thank you so much. It's a cool voice. Where does that come from? Oh, God. You know, tea in the morning. No, I don't. Yeah. I did do radio really early. I lied my way into a radio job in high school and was on the air. What was the lie?

That I was a student of the college that the station was the radio station for, KYMC in St. Louis, Missouri. And yeah, I was like, I was a sophomore in high school and I just rode my bike out and had a Saturday afternoon show. I don't know. I don't, it's just, it's just my voice. I'm going to say something. radio voices people who do radio whose voices when they are out in the wild when you hear them in the real in real life it's a little jarring because you go wait a minute what is this affect is this are you locked into this yeah with dave with dave holmes it's only ever been wow that man has a nice voice that's because effortlessness is a part of your thing because

this is and this comes back to the vj of it all okay so i actually like when they were trying to reboot vjs i think bowen when we were right out of college i actually auditioned to be one wow like and like i went i went and did like the audition for it or whatever and it like didn't go bad but it didn't move forward but i just remember thinking while i was there how do you just seem so cool you know what i mean like that that was part of because everyone was in the room being like okay i'm trying to be a vj and the number one thing that they all have in common was they were able to project like an ease and a cool factor that made you want to like buy into this like young, cool MTV brand. So I guess my question is like, how did you get into that space?

I know I know how you did because of the show, but I would I think it'd be really interesting to talk about now after like we've seen so many reality shows become that. It's weird. It's so weird but also like how do you navigate that like i'm trying to be cool professionally does that make sense yeah kind of yeah i think i benefited at the beginning from just being like um because of the way i got the job i kind of came in and by the time i made it to the top 10 i was like i'm not gonna get this i'm not going to get this. I'm not going to get this. So it was a competition called

Wannabe a BJ? Wannabe a BJ. Yeah. And it was, it was basically, I mean, it's weird. Like when people bring it up now,

they're like, oh, you were on season one of that thing. And it's like, that thing was four hours on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah. That was it basically.

Like a couple days on the live show and then a four hour event on Saturday. But, but yeah, it was it, basically. Like, a couple days on the live show and then a four-hour event on Saturday. But yeah, it was like an audition up until the top ten, and then the viewers called in. Called in. Called in. And voted and chose from there. And there was this wild character named Jesse, and I was like, well, this

is obviously the person who's going to win. So I was like, I'm just going to sort of treat this like an interview and just like meet people and talk to them and be normal. Because I can't out character the character. You know what I mean? And it would be dumb to try. So I was like, I'm just going to, I guess, like it took, knowing I wasn't going to get it took all of the pressure off.

Wow. So I was able to just sort of like chill and do it. And then they ended up hiring me anyway. And I was like, well, I'm not going to change anything. You know, it wouldn't make sense for me to suddenly be like a big character,

you know, that doesn't come naturally, you know? So what a, what a, what a great instinct to drop the artifice in the face of seeing someone. I'm not, maybe the,

the, the guy who won, what was his name again? Jesse camp, Jesse camp, Jesse camp. Maybe like, I'm not, it's not to say that he was

artificial in that character but it's like for you to have I mean I would have completely gone the other way and been like well I'm going to do what he's doing because that's what they seem to like and like yeah I just wouldn't I wouldn't be able to do it I just wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't be able I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face you know what I mean

so so I just sort of didn't. But I guess like that was another thing about it too is I remember like reading VJ copy. It is really hard just to not do, what's up guys, da, da, da, da, da. Like you have a VJ and now we are going to talk about this person over here.

Like it's so hard to not go into that, but you are able to maintain you. And that I think is so so that's such a skill that's such a talent thanks thanks i mean yeah i mean but it truly was just from like i don't have the ability to like to be you know to be the big like i wouldn't be like a proper good radio right because i'm not it's not in me to be like yeah so yeah anyway thank you that's lovely it's lovely here that is like liberating self-awareness to know yourself back then which I don't know do you think it's harder to know

yourself now than it is in like the late 90s I can't tell I'm like if I had grown up like just like 10 years if i if i was just born 10 years earlier would i have been more anchored to stuff or would i have been like less available with my resource like would i have been like less in touch with like things that i know like okay this is what's like does that make sense am i speaking in abstraction no it makes perfect sense to me it makes sense i feel like i feel like i mean i feel like the answer is obvious which is probably we all would have been more of an individual i think 10 15 20 years ago when there wasn't any social media to pander to at all times right you know what i mean like how different do you think

it would be for someone now being like a representative to to all of the youth with social media probably so much different yeah i don't i don't know i i'm i'm so glad that i was there before youtube um before social media what we had was i mean first of all like you know we messed things up left right and center and that was kind of part of the appeal and whatever it was you know it was live and it was fun and all that. Yeah. But to make a mistake and have it stay with you forever would be so unbelievably awful. And also, when I started there, all we had... I don't even know if there was a proper MTV.com, but there was a channel on AOL. And that channel had like message boards and once early i was like i'm and each of us each of the on-air people had their own had your own

message folder or whatever and uh and i went and i looked at mine and i was like oh no no this is not this is not for me to see at all um because it's all you know at that time in 1998 99 anyone using a computer to go online was like a grounded 14 year old girl right yeah and there's no one meaner on the planet than a grounded 14 year old girl on her dad's computer on a dial-up connection um so yeah so i got to yeah thank god there was none of that kind of stuff but I do like I wonder what I would what kind of person I would be if I were you know 15 years younger and didn't grow up feeling like the only person like me on the planet like it was there was a lot about that that was really terrible obviously yeah um but there was also a lot about that that was really good it like

instilled a drive within me to like prove myself and and succeed and be heard and all that and i might not have that if i found my tribe at 15 on 100 i might be a very specific kind of monster you know yeah so i'm glad that is interesting yeah i think about that often i think about like um like if i were if would i would i try as hard and work as hard and and like try to put myself out there as much and prove so much if i didn't feel like there was like a large part of my upbringing where i just couldn't see myself represented ever and so i like wanted to work to become that. And now it's like you look around

and that's like really not true anymore at all. And like, I often think like why, the like basic way I phrase it sometimes is like, what if I were straight? Would I be a fucking monster? But like, I do think about that. Like, you know, like, and like you're grateful for the adversity

or whatever it is. But still, it had to be hard. Forgive me if this is too much, but did you remain closeted the entire time? I was out, but not on the air.

But not on the air. That's what I guess what I mean. Yeah. Which is like, I look back at it, I'm like, what? What?

No, it makes total sense to me. No, I don't. I mean, it does to me too, but it doesn't make it any less disappointing. You know what I mean? Like, I do understand, you know, that I was like not trying to rock the boat and that there was no, you know,

blogs and social media and ways to like continue sort of doing your thing when the show ends. And it's, you know you know blogs and social media and ways to like continue sort of doing your thing when the show ends and it's you know whatever you had to like wrangle the press into it and the press doesn't fucking give a they don't care they you know they're like they don't care who i am or i'm not having you know what i mean it's like i'm not i'm not interesting in that way so whatever i get it but it's like you know i look back and it's you know we were promoting the hell out of eminem who said the f word a lot and i and it like never entered my mind not to participate in it or to speak up in any way at all which is nuts but anyway i was out and i was out in my like

private life it's just that you know that nobody cared enough to make it public. And I didn't do the thing. I didn't say the words. Right. Whether or not it's public, I just feel like this is something that I've just parroted this line ever since BD Wong was on this podcast. He was talking about Asian people working in showbiz but i think that this just applies in a very general way to people who like it there was just no process probably for you to like make it or for anybody to to have like coming out and feeling good and safe about it publicly to be an inevitable inevitability like now it just is inevitable if you are queer if you are sort of like self-defining in that way like it's hopefully people feel

somewhat comfortable with that or it's not it doesn't feel like this high-risk thing in the way that it used to be but like i mean i mean yeah i mean as soon as you brought up eminem i'm like oh of course like that that would completely discourage anyone who worked at MTV to want to like publicly say, by the way, I'm gay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a, um,

I remember, I remember this. I remember on say what karaoke, somebody did it like a Brittany or Christina or something. And her navel was out and all that and whatever. And I said, uh, I said something like, uh,

you know, the straight boys are going to love this or whatever. And my, and my producer in my ear was like, let's take that again i said why because you're straight because you're straight dave basically yeah she was like you said all the straight guys just say all the guys and i was like okay and i did and i don't i you know i could have dug my heels in and i did yeah that's okay oh that's no it's weird it's just it's it's it's not weird i'm looking i'm looking at 1999 with you know a 2021 filter on it you know what i mean like it's yeah of course things were not then the way they are

now and sometimes i think i think with time we forget what it was like at that time but it was suffocating and it was also not something because at that time if you had been an mtv vj which you were and eminem is the most played artist and most pushed artist i mean there was a time where he truly ruled the channel i mean i think we all remember it and you were to say you're gay it's almost like you're speaking out against him you know what i mean because he was so he made such a part of his thing that he was homophobic that anyone gay, like, is naturally at odds with him and therefore, like, you know, an enemy of his and critical of him. Yes. And that is a dangerous game to start playing when you need to be one of the faces of the channel. Yeah.

And then you're at odds with your place of work. Right, yeah. It's nothing but trouble. But yeah, I was out and bringing boyfriends to events and stuff that just didn't quite register. A different time. A different time, a different era. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We'll be right back. No one gets out of your life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset.

Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the

desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.

It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. González wanted to go home

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Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever that new oyster place. You are never going to get it out of me. It's just not going to happen. It's like nice oyster or found oyster. Was it found oyster? It wasn't found oyster. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I will tell you after. But the thing is, like, I have to be able to go back there again.

And I just, I don't want them to struggle. Like, especially during this time of COVID. I can't be doing that to a restaurant. I can't Lovato a restaurant. I just can't. Everybody's holding on by their fingertips. I'm excited for their show where they saw an alien. Did you guys see that there's a Demi Lovato show on Peacock where they saw an alien?

No. It's a documentary. It's like a realityock where they saw an alien no it's a documentary it's like a reality show it's what is it called we have called i have to find what it's called but there it's literally coming out we love demi lovato here i just think there's a lot of there's a lot happening right now with them and it's interesting i It's an announcement a week, it feels like. Yeah. Or like a new project. And just not to say that all of their life experiences in the last few years have been like, you know, sort of like press release.

Yes. I'm like, what do I mean? No, I'm not. But like, I've been asked three separate times to be like on a YouTube show of theirs. On a different YouTube show in the last i would say six months and i'm like wait i can't keep up with like how many things demi lovato is like starting what are you jojo siwa now this is by the way jojo's absolutely stomping it out on dancing with the stars with is that true i'm not i am not it is it's lovely to to watch so this is just this came out three hours ago on page six demi lovato believes something is out there the 29 year old pop star claims they once had a close

encounter with extraterrestrial beings in joshua tree california aka they got really high you did and the out of this world experience was mind-blowing quote we went out into the desert in joshua Tree and I basically saw this blue orb that was about 50 feet away, maybe less, and it was kind of like floating above the ground

just like 10 or 15 feet and it was kind of keeping its distance from me. It was a beautiful and incredible experience. And this anecdote came while they were promoting

their new Peacock series, Unidentified with Demi Lovato, in which they attempt to uncover the truth about ufo phenomena alongside sister dallas lovato and best friend who we actually love and shout out matthew scott montgomery so he's on the show as well but this is a real thing demi demi believes they saw an alien in joshua tree i also don't want to insinuate that they were high because they're famously sober. What I mean is California sober.

Right, California sober. That is true. But a lot of things go down in Joshua Tree and they're not necessarily aliens. That's all I have to say. That is, that was elegantly said.

That was beautifully said. You did not Demi Lovato, Demi Lovato just there. No. Right. You did not really. I did. I Demi Lovato, Demi Lovato,

but a second ago where I was like, not everything is a press release. I take back what just there. No. Right. I did. I Demi Lovato, Demi Lovato, but a second ago where I was like, not everything is a press release. I take back what I said. No, I just feel like there's just a lot of, there's just a, there's just a lot of output, but I mean,

Matt and I have constant check-ins being like, wait, Demi, Demi Lovato is the one. Demi Lovato. So constantly proves themselves to be the one that it constantly provokes a conversation and this is a true star. This article

says Demi Lovato went on to say, I love that halfway through the article they're not saying Demi, they're saying Demi Lovato went on to say that their encounter changed the way they see the world. You have an inkling and then all of a sudden that inkling is confirmed the singer explained. It changes your reality for sure oh wow beautiful unexplained unexplained speaking of um

people in the conversation well we just we just i mean we just matt and i just want to know what dave you think of the latest in the britney spears saga okay so i have not yet seen the new documentary i watched it there okay what can you tell us basically all it colors in is the fact that the surveil it really like um sort of focuses on the surveillance aspect of her conservatorship where basically it's revealed that she was basically never alone she was followed constantly all of her conversations were monitored and if she was going to have a conversation or an interaction with someone it had to be scheduled and all of those were monitored basically she was watched 100 of the time like people overprotected yeah like overprotected yes maybe honestly she would that was a little bit

no that was before but maybe it was a premonition that she has a premonition unexplained but that's really what the documentary says is on top of everything you saw the surveillance which was not covered in the documentary um as intently as everything else was really out of control yeah okay i you know um obviously i'm pleased that britney seems to be on her way to being freed. It does seem to be happening curiously quickly, though. Seems like everything was moving very slowly for a very long time. And I don't know if it was, if like Jamie Spears just senses that the public tide has turned or whatever, or if that's even meaningful to him, or if there is something sneaky going on where it's just like you don't want it great we're taking it away and then the

first like the moment she does something publicly kind of questionable or whatever it'll be like see you know what i mean i interesting interesting you know because to that end i don't because i don't i don't think anyone's gonna leave her alone when she is able to like move about freely that's that's gonna be like the last truly valuable paparazzi shot is her like out in the world you know what i mean you're right which sucks talk about like looking back at 1999 from 2020 and 21 like those things and the woodstock 99 and all that it's like that world which is like you know the world that i was young in is like disgusting disgusting like the way that we spoke to her was disgusting the the the you know uh guy

from the offspring coming out and bludgeoning uh the Backstreet Boys in effigy on stage in front of tens of thousands of people is like, that's disgusting. And that shit is all tons better than the stuff that I was a teenager during. That like, you know, all of the, every teen comedy in the 80s is like, ends with a crowd-pleasing sexual assault. It's just wild to look back at it now, and I can't help but feel a little disgusting. Sure. Has it gotten any better? I feel like that just sounds like, I don't know, like attacking something in effigy feels very now too. I don't know.

I can't think of an example, but it's, I don't know. I just, I hear what you're saying, Bo. And I think I often think that that, that stuff happens privately now and it happens in like channels that we don't see because again,

it happens on social media and it happens so intensely. And so, so severely that like we almost like it it's it is happening it's just because it's like that mob mentality of like that sort of fanatical like following of someone that's famous like that all that all the energy gets funneled into online now and so now it's like it's even scarier in a way because it can live in a private place where only the attacked can see it oftentimes. Or like it happens in a way where only the attacked understands the volume with which it's coming at them. So that's, I think what makes it so intense now, but I don't think it went away.

I think. Yeah, it's true. you think, and I agree with you that that would be, that getting that paparazzi shot of Britney post-freedom would be like the last valuable paparazzi photo, which makes me think, wow, has anything fundamentally changed? She's still as vulnerable as she was, you know, 15 years ago or however long ago. And it's like, I mean, obviously it's a better circumstance for her not to be in this conservatorship.

That's something that everybody agrees on, think and i feel like politically i'm like is it even that it it's so obvious that it's like who would you be if not a contrarian if you were like i actually think she should stay in the conservatorship but i'm just saying like the last valuable paparazzi photo would be of britney out in the wild and people would be like wow look she needs yeah so that's interesting that you are a little suspicious of the pace of this yeah and what's god what's worse is like you know the the paparazzi industry or whatever is probably not what it once was you don't see them as often um but now everybody has a phone in their camera and there are enough shitty people

who will be like oh there she is i'll get the shot or whatever um we get like i live in studio city in la and like the paparazzi show up to the farmer's market to get a shot of like john crier picking out an eggplant or you know like Julie Bowen aka the good stuff the good stuff it's just wild like what they will still hide out and hang out to get sure but in like a dimwa age or whatever comes after it's

like I mean who do at this point I have been desensitized fully and I'm like I don't care whoever like I don't care who it is it's all just I don't know i have had to um unfollow de moi so many times like i keep out of curiosity following again and then i then i just feel my stress level elevate um i feel my like i i half of the people i don't know who they are. It drives me nuts that everyone's like, Anon, please.

And it's like, no one, they never use your name. You can go ahead and just, that can be silent now. Sure, exactly. I am currently not following Dimwa. Yes, yes. Neither am I.

I don't know about Matt. I am following them. But I just think it's like, I'm not like, I don't know. I feel the need to defend why I'm following them, but I just think it's like, I'm not like, I don't know. I feel the need to defend why I'm following them, but I shouldn't have to. It's just for me, sometimes I'm fascinated by who they're featuring. Other times I'm just like, there is, and look, I'll just cop to this.

There is a little part of me that is that little gay boy that was raised in the 90s and the early 2000s who very much wanted to not be in my circumstance who looked up to people that were famous for better or worse and wanted to be part of that world and was susceptible to that type of culture and i think that i'm not alone there And I think that if we're actually like going to be honest about it, a lot of us like who came of age during the time that is being sort of reexamined now so much, it feels like the media can't stop with four women in particular. Britney Spears, Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana, and Whitney Houston. Now, these were all women who ended up in tragic circumstances that were at the height of their fame during the most vicious time in american media history and i think that

like part of i think my fascination now and i think everyone's fascination with that time is because we can't believe our own complicity and because we can't believe our own um ability to be owned by the celebrity tabloid culture as much as we were because it really was mainstream entertainment and so i think that like when i watch like any pieces of media on them now it's just there's a little element of it which i think is funny which is everyone being like and can't you believe how horrible this was and it's like no we should all believe it because we were all fed it and we all participated in it so it's not this thing where we like shake our finger and sneer at whatever one entity like jamie spears or like whoever it is like you know that that we're focusing on as the villain in any of these pieces we have to look inward too and how are we going to change our behavior in going forward and so like you know you know maybe it ends in me on

following dumois and that's the way i do better but you know we're all no one's perfect in this is this is this the subtext behind american crime story impeachment which matt is watching very closely oh i was just gonna ask i am watching it you. I am watching it. What are your thoughts? You know, I am watching it. It's definitely interesting. I mean, I think that it's taking, obviously, an extremely sympathetic angle towards Monica. And I think that that is both in line with the times and also due to her her involvement in as a producer and i think it's pretty honest in terms of like how it happened you know he he abused his power against her and she was a vulnerable kid and it it ended up much worse for her than it did for him and i'm reminded

of you know bone and i going to radio city music hall to see tony benna and lady gaga a few months ago and he walked in the room and he got a standing ovation from everyone in there. And I'm like, you know, like, not to say this Not everyone. Not everyone. I was like, oh, I'm a little bitch for sitting down for Sting's

I just didn't clap. He doesn't need my clap. And I also feel like, you know, not to say that the miniseries is, you know, a work of, like, nonfiction down. Obviously, it's leaning into some stuff, but, you know, he's not worthy of applause, the guy.

Exactly. The lean cuisine of it all. Oh, yeah. Linda Tripp is... Tons of lean cuisines in it. A lot of lean cuisine work. And that also makes you see yourself. Yes.

Because that's another thing. If this was me in the 90s right now, I'd be lean cuisining. Oh, yeah. Oh, come on. Lean pocketing. I was lean pocketing well into the early teensies. The early teensies?

2012. Wow. At Best Boy. I can't, you said Best Boy earlier and I can't believe that didn't catch on as like,

you know, like a Bed Bath & Beyonce or Tarjay or whatever. I can't believe we weren't always falling at Best Boy. I know. We really were asleep

at the wheel there, weren't we? You want to know what? I just think it's because people probably just love Best Buy too much already. You know what I mean?

That's probably true. Best Buy is just too true. That's probably true. That's probably what it is. Yeah. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. And impeachment. And everyone is very, I'm curious as to how Hillary will be handled.

That's another thing. Is there really dangling the Hillary carrot, Beau? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. Who's playing her again? Edie Falco. Edie Falco. that's that's another thing is they're really dangling the hillary carrett bow yes oh yeah yes huh who's playing her again it's edie falco edie falco right right right right right so you know the hillary episode is going to be magnificent but it's just there's going to be a there's going to be a that basically there's going to be a carmella soprano like meltdown moment and we are going to witness it and we are going to live out hillary dressing down bill

like like anyone would want to that that watch that unfold all those years ago you know what but also it's just like again and hillary is another one of them where it's just like we keep fixating on these women and it's just like it's because we can't deal with the fact that we've like treated them so badly and like the world has been so misogynist in terms of how we know them you know what I mean it's really interesting yeah

congratulations thank you on what today is promotion day yes but like we said it's just it's mostly it's it's mostly just ceremonial and who gives a shit that's great congratulations thank you i've always been curious about this how do you feel the like right when you're about to start up uh to be totally honest i feel very nervous i'm just i i felt like I had a nice, solid week

after wrapping this movie that Matt and I did with Jolton Booster. Again, congratulations. Thank you. Between that and starting up work again this week, I had a nice week of just, like, pure stillness and bliss, and it was like, it was something that I was craving all summer, and then

now, I mean, we went back into 30 Rock today to get tested, and then i ran into some people and i mean saw like a lot of like like crew guys and i was like oh wait this is nice like it was just nice to be like hey like how was your summer you look great like all these things um but then it was it's it's just been in the um saying out loud things that i would only say when the season is on like yeah anyway i just got this idea noodling around and um you know let's like um let's work on something like just like like little micro expressions I can't think of too many right now but like I but now like those are for lack of a

better word triggering and I'm like oh okay now my body like somatically I'm like back in this like place of being like oh this is uncomfortable or this is nerve this is nerve-wracking but uh talking to a lot of other people and they're just like and i think i think 80 brian in particular is just like let's just like let's just try to like healthily detach as much as possible which i think is the way to go okay yeah i'm just always curious like are you preparing your body for, you know? He sure is. I did him at a, I did him, what does that mean?

Nothing. What does that mean? Bowen got laid a bunch last week. All right. Stop. Stop it. Bowen's body is ready. That's not preparation.

Yes, it is, mama. Sexual preparation. It's getting your body absolutely taken care of for the moment where you step on stage in front of millions and everyone watching at home said he has sex there is a glow i wondered if it was a ring light he came on this when he was wearing no glasses i was like are we doing no glasses absolute bow and yang face. And he said, let me put them on. I was like, but you look stunning. And it's because he has the glow. You got that glow.

The only preparation aspect of that is that it's like, well, I know I'm not going to, I'm not going to have sex when the show is like, it's just I will be too stressed out for the next eight months, which is fine. He was getting it in while you could. Get it in while you can.

I don't know. I don't know. It's, um, my body, I did a meditation yesterday. I don't know if it helped. I feel like it's just me, like, beating the tide back, and there's, like, a tidal wave coming. But it's fine. It's fine.

Very fine. I was going to ask something. Thank you. Oh, oh, oh. Is it very interesting to us that, like, the four women that Matt named off, Diana, Whitney, Brittany, and- Monica. I, oh, oh. Is it very interesting to us that like the four women that Matt named off, Diana, Whitney, Brittany, and... I said Ms. Monica. Like that they are from

like a similar time period and that we're still fixated on them? Is it that there's been this like 20 year cycle or 20 year sort of like turnaround on it where culturally we're interested in that specific time

in like culture or is it that like they are the last sort of stalagmite whatever calcified thing in like an intense scrutiny of like pop cultural figures that like they've remained that like they're the last we have like they're the last thing that we remember being this um unified in our like unanimous fascination yeah yeah yeah i mean it's it is the you know it's the cycle like they're up in the cycle for sure and then also yeah i mean it that is there is nothing that we all know about now not exactly but there's not a ton god so fucking 20 years from now it'll be you know even more fragmented it'll be weird no just the things that we're going to be looking back on you know the ryan murphy uh prestige

series of the the 2040s uh and late 2030s about you know the trump years and all that is going to be is going to be no yeah it's weird to see like because there used to be like obsession with the 90s sure but i feel like something's happened in the last like five years where the 90s have truly become retro like the 90s have truly become like another time it used to feel like like like the 80s where i feel like we've officially moved on maybe we've literally moved into a new decade and so this is true but it feels retro now and like from a far away distant land for the first time ever and i feel like that's why we're seeing so much content about it because it's the first time that that all feels nostalgic maybe yeah but it's not it's

not even nostalgia anymore it's like here's the underbelly which we have like back during like early buzzfeed days when it was like for millennials it'd be like remember how fun that time was and now it's like no everything was fucked up yeah yeah i mean do you remember we had a sketch about this in pop roulette yeah i mean you guys it's a matt rodder studio green scale you and you wrote it before you were in the group so we did this before i was in the group it was like it was like in the vein of like a buzzfeed like like like it was like a kids bop music video which was like yeah them talking about 90s stuff and it was just like oh remember tang oh friends like it was like a kids bop music video which was like yeah them talking about 90s stuff and it was just like oh remember tang oh friends like it was just like you know like and then we

just sneak in like the like unibar not the coast though like kosovo or like um yeah you know oklahoma city bomber that's what i meant to say yeah and just like the 90s were actually a fucked dark time and so much was passed off as like whatever. And then you look back and it's like Lou Pearlman managed so many of those kids. You know what I mean?

We. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are Kelly convicted

to literally today? Today. Like this is getting released on Wednesday, but we're recording on Monday. But I mean like that, I mean, you couldn't get a bigger,

one of the biggest artists of the nineties there. Just like, it's weird. Michael Jackson. It's all weird. It's like their curtain gets eventually pulled back and it feels like it's getting pulled back on that time period hard right now. Yeah.

Yeah. None of it's good news. No, no good news. It's never the surprising good news behind that thing no like imagine if it yeah imagine if it was like oh my god nick carter donated a billion dollars to charity you know like no like you wish it was that no it's aaron carter gets a new face tattoo yeah yeah yeah for sure maybe that but like that's like

the focal but i feel like the focal the focal length like oh it's it takes you know let's just throw out a number random number 20 years for us to like really examine this in the most not honest way but in a way that makes sense in context with like the current culture we live in it's like is that getting is that getting shorter and shorter? Like, I don't know. But as we talk about historic culture in our lives, should we ask Dave the question? Yes, we should. The Real Housewives of New York City

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We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dudes. We got dogs. Dogs. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak?

Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest

and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part, that made a lot of was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble.

I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life.

I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with.

His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Piece, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network,

available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Matt, you out. Okay, so Dave, this is maybe one of the most important questions you'll be asked. So this is the cornerstone of our

really, let's just call it what it is, podcast here. The seed from which a mighty tree has grown. Yes, very much so yeah and so that seed that question is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you so that that that pop culture that just general culture whatever you can think of that made dave holmes dave holmes hear that i i think it was annie yeah wow yeah this is one of the best songs ever and doesn't get the credit oh no it doesn't tomorrow gets all the it's all the gets all the credit and then little girls but really maybe is giving you something you could feel. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, um...

Uh... That was what year? 1977? Must be. Something like that? The movie? No. No.

The original Broadway production. The original Broadway production. The OBC. The OBC. Um, I did not see it, but my parents did. Uh, my dad was in New York

for work a lot, and, and uh and they saw it and i and i guess i was already presenting as like one of those one of those boys one of those is he yeah i mean although that was not like that was probably not what they were thinking but you know whatever right like anyway they saw it and they're like, Dave would love this. I was six. Sure. And, and they came home with that, you know, OBCR.

Sure. The R. You got the R. Got the R. And I played it constantly and it was my favorite thing in the world and I had never seen it. I just read the,

you know, like it was a gatefold sleeve and it had, you know, it talked to you, you know, beat by beat through the story and then, you know, Miss Hannigan

bemoans her fate. Little girls, whatever. And I just loved it. And I was like, I don't know what this is, but I want to be a part of it somehow. I eventually got to see it at the Muny in St. Louis. They do like an outdoor theater. Probably was a great production.

I'm sure it was. Yeah. I mean, it dazzled the shit out of a nine-year-old me on a you know muggy august night getting bit up by mosquitoes um it i it just it it like it was like okay this is this is what i do you know what i mean like this is um i didn't really early on, like I read very early, but I was never all that good a student. I have attention issues,

we now know. And I certainly was not an athlete and I just kind of didn't know where I fit. And then I was like exposed to theater. And I ultimately did not go down the musical theater road but but it but that just knowing that it was like people come together and like put on a show every night is was like i don't i don't know what that is but i need to i need to step into it it was it was a very short

step from annie to the music man which i absolutely loved and cannot wait to see on broadway with huge oh yeah i saw my first like i think it was just on instagram like my first ad for i was like okay and i'm thrilled to go to the winter garden someday soon next year um wow and so annie do you i mean are you particularly attached to that original that obc that? I haven't listened to it in ages. But yeah, that was the first thing that was like my thing. Sure. I wrote a letter to Andrea McArdle. Did you?

She wrote back. She did? Oh, did she? Well, somebody did. But yeah. It was tight. She signed for something. Andrea's staff.

Wow. That's epic. Yeah. I had it up on my uh bulletin board for ages and it was just yeah i i was i was just dazzled by the idea of like spectacle you know that because that was kind of the first of it that i was exposed to and then you know in the mid 70s you had all of this um you had you know share and and Carol Burnett and yeah um and all of these like you know women of sketch comedy doing just doing awesome shit and variety that was a big big era yeah big for a huge variety time um by the way like that is essentially all that we do now socially since lockdown. Remember things?

Is remember things. We have people over to the backyard. Ben set up a little projection area just outside my office in the backyard. And when the sun goes down, we have like friends over. We've been doing it safely since, you know, since COVID started. But I'll start like a collaborative YouTube playlist and send the link to everybody. And then we just sort of start adding stuff and it becomes just like, so it's like music

videos and live performances and old comedy sketches. And like, you know, that's such a great idea. That's such a fun thing. So much fun. It's so much. And it's like, it's, so we're, we're doing a lot of reliving of the, of the seventies and eighties dance fever and solid gold. And you know,

it's, there's, there's a world out there for you. I mean, I've, I've never said this out, this kind of statement out loud, but like,

I really probably would have picked the seventies if I could have lived in any other area. But I, I've never actually like entertained this question before, but now I'm like, but hearing like, but anytime someone talks about the seventies, I'm just

like you know of course another period of darkness and awful things right but like in terms of the culture and even though like they're like i there i don't know how it would have worked with me as an asian person like fitting in there because i talked to like people like laurie tension who were around and like adults and creative people like in the 70s as asian people they were like oh yeah like we never were a part of these things but like i feel like i would have just been in heaven yeah like heaven heaven anyway yeah not to not not to bring that out the the race thing in but uh i feel like okay i'm gonna make a controversial statement and say the night the 1999 film version of Annie has a great cast. Is that Kathy Bates?

I never did see it. It's Kathy Bates, it's Alan Cumming, it's Victor Garber. Yeah, the Christian channel with? Audra, Audra,

Christian, Audra McDonald. It's like, got like a fucking stacked cast. It does have a stacked cast. I was just thinking like, but you must have been gagged

though as like, a Carol Burnett fan to watch her truly body the role of Miss Hannigan. Oh, so good. Hannigan. Of course. Of course. Yeah. I'm not as connected to the movie.

I think I, you know, it was a little bit older. I was like, she is no Andrea McArdle. She's not alien Quinn. We love her. She's a treasure,

but I never, yeah, I think it was a little too old by the time the movie came out. Um, but yeah, but I just, and that's a pure, that's a purist connection you have that's i think exactly

what it is love it yeah i mean and there there was um it was partially that spectacle was happening but it was also partially that i was seen in that way by my folks you know what i mean like it was interesting um it was like okay we're kind of the person that you are is sort of starting to come together, and this might be a piece of the puzzle. And it was, you know. And around that time, in the late 70s, my oldest, I have two older, like, brothers, much older. And the oldest of them went off to college in 79 and came back that Christmas with, like, the best records of all time. Because it was, you know,

it was the clash and talking heads and television and, and like all of this stuff and like party mixtapes and whatever. And I was eight or something and suddenly knew about the clash, which is like, that was like, Oh, this, this is,

this is the other half. Like I, I not only love it without understanding any of it but yeah but it is also a thing that nobody else my age knows and it's like this is a key to a an identity that i'm trying to unlock you know this is so this is so interesting i think more people should own up to doing this like sometimes you're given something and you are you kind of do force yourself to like it whether or not you understand it so i'm i'm not gonna i don't mean to speak for you but as an eight-year-old and you

just said like you didn't fully understand you couldn't fully comprehend what the clash was and you were like well this is someone someone i look up to likes it and is giving it to me or is like letting is exposing me it's not aware that i'm borrowing it when he's at work but yes got it got it yeah but like was what that, am I projecting? Or was that something you were doing? Like you were like, this is, I'm told this is good and therefore I will force myself to like it? Yes, it definitely, it had a seal of approval.

It was a thing to talk about with him. Which, you know, as a little brother, you're always looking for. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was like, it was esoteric. But that's actually, yeah, esoteric, yeah. The clash is actually good. It's was like, it was esoteric, you know? But that's actually, yeah, esoteric. The Clash is actually good.

It's not like you were like wrong. Right. Right, right. And you know, all of this is very, you know, it's, everyone knows about it now,

but back then it was just, it just felt like this is, this is from a different place and I want to be in that different place. Yeah. Now that oldest brother, like, has a preset button for fox news in

the car which is a difficult thing to watch that's sort of the risk you run when someone is showing you the clash albums when you're a kid is they could grow up to put on fox news yes you know what i mean but but that is so interesting because because because just knowing you like you don't get to become you don't get to just become this encyclopedic fount of knowledge about music and about all this stuff. So you had, from a very early age, a fixation on not just music, but music information, music history, music culture. So because you were sort of being exposed by these records and that type of deal, would you say? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

And it was just, it was like, I can't impress on you enough how much it was just like something to do. Yeah. You know, something to be. I was always in small Catholic schools. Right. And it's like, and you, there aren't a whole lot of boxes to be in, you know? Right. and you there aren't a whole lot of boxes to be in you know right and uh and so it was like you know i was fascinated by it anyway but it also like immersing myself in in it and knowing a lot

about it and whatever was like it became a thing the thing that i did i remember there was uh like the the toughest kid in our class in seventh grade like the matt the hugest like football playing kid um we're in the locker room and i had like probably had like a clash button on my jacket or something and and he looked at me and i didn't even know he knew i mean it was a small school we all knew who each other was but he uh he looked at me and was like you're a punk rocker aren't you and i was like yeah yeah i'm a punk rocker was not but like but it was like if you think so then yes yeah yes i am like if that if that like gives me an identity in your eyes then yes it's really important at that time you know what i

mean it's to have that thing that people can associate you with so that they have a thing to associate you with so that it was so and and hopefully it's not a bad thing you know what i mean like right i remember at that age like my older friends that were a little, I didn't have any older brothers or sisters. I made friends with older kids that were on the cross-country team with me. And they gave me a lot of music that they were listening to. And it was like, I had to do homework to get to know it so that I could have a common language to speak with them outside of just, you know, whatever. But a lot of things I realized I really liked, I found through that. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, it's, I just remember, you know, I would never have started listening to the Foo Fighters. Had my older friends not said, like, you have to listen to the Foo Fighters. I just wouldn't have. My natural inclination is to listen to Christina Aguilera. So it's like, at that that age so it's just different and it did it varied me up a little bit because you just want something to right you know talk about and like be involved with and then all of a sudden it turns out you like it and have a talent for it in your case well two things one did you say food fighters because you're still mad at oysters no did i say food fighters you did once say food no i said

come on don't do that to me you said food fighters you are a fucking jerk I can't Dave Holmes you are not going to come on to this podcast and say Matt Rogers

said food fighters you did once say food fighters and I Bowen did I say food fighters I'm not sure but I heard the most recent time

you said food well we can run the tape back but the most recent time you said foo fighters and I'm almost positive there was no two foo fighters is I know I they're i'm sorry i'm sorry dave well in the middle and by the way if that was some third attempt to get me to say the name of the restaurant

i will not do it i will not do it it was damn it oh boy transparent transparent um second thing if i told you my christina aguilera story no we need to know okay okay all right and then we want to dig into tl too but i want to know about christina okay all right well it's it's at it's there okay it all takes place okay a lot of it takes place there at her apex um okay so 99 april-ish 99 the genie in a bottle is out it's not yet so maybe it's march when this happens but it's like it's before that that record has come out okay and her label which i think was rca um did a thing in um in various cities where um they would bring her at like get a like a nice room in a hotel and like play the electronic press kit epk whatever like the quick little five minute

montage about who she is and what she's going to do and all that and then she would come out and there would be a piano player and she would sing a couple of standards and then work the room right okay so uh i went to the one in new york there were like a few of us from mtv went to the one in new york and and none of us knew her yet she had not i was not familiar with the disney you know song or whatever so she was a brand new artist to me and it was just you know oh because mulan because mulan had just had just come out i guess but you were but you but you weren't familiar but that she had already sort of like some reflection been right yes did not watch uh mickey mouse club was not familiar

with her from that you did not know her period did not know her okay did not know her from adam uh uh so i go to the thing she does the thing and then goes to work the room after and and of course she's you know got an incredible voice and all that kind of thing right so um so she's she gets to the mtv table and um and she and we talked to her for a minute and she goes well you know my my single's coming out in a few weeks and then the album after that we all over your network this summer and i was like great good luck you know hope to see you whatever um and then okay so that was the summer that we went uh that we spent in the bahamas if you're like isle of mtv like the summer house was fully in the bahamas now the horniest thing you could watch on television up the absolute horniest thing

you could watch on television yeah um and and the story the storyline behind the summer programming was that we all took a boat there and and then fred durst blew it up with dynamite with like one of these things yeah like a bugs bunny cartoon like an acme like dynamite right so like during a performance of nookie or something he like goes and the boat blows up and then we're stuck there for the summer whatever so we literally are in the bahamas and uh and we're because it's 99 um we're kind of cut off from the world you know what i mean like we had no there was one production office that had like one dial-up connection to the internet and like everyone would use it to like check their email whatever you would get yesterday's usa today at the hotel for you know 750 so it was like we had

no idea what was going on yeah yeah yeah um and during that summer the the single came out and the album came out and they blew up and they went to number one and she was all over the network and uh so then at the end of that summer we then go back to new york my first assignment is um like a vma's preview special with her where we're going to be on a horse-drawn carriage going around central park also a thing you don't do anymore and uh so i go so i go um into the makeup room uh first thing that morning and it's you know like my colleagues who i haven't seen in months and whatever and so we're like catching up and christina is there and i was like hey and she goes oh it's you i need to talk to you and she like dismisses the makeup people which

are not her makeup people um like sends them out of the room closes the door behind her and she goes do you remember meeting me huh and i said yeah yeah, the four seasons, the thing. It was great. And she said, do you remember what you said to me? What? And I said, I don't. And she said, I said my single and my video were coming out and I was going to be all over your network this summer. And you said, good luck. She thought you were being shady?

Yes. Were you? And I was like, no. And she remembered. To a child no she misremembered well or she you know she might have been insecure and put that on yeah maybe she i mean she was very young and we all know the the early years were how did you make it right with her in that moment i mean it was the end of the summer summer beach yeah. Yeah. So I said, I was, she said, and I think you owe me an apology. Oh.

And I said, I was actually wishing you luck. When I said good luck, what I was doing was wishing you luck. Because this, you know, we all know how crazy this business is. And I was wishing you luck. And I said, I'm not going to apologize. all know how crazy this business is and i was i was wishing you luck and uh and i said i i i'm i'm not going to apologize and we have to get this we have to get this day started and so like i opened the door as i remember it and the got our makeup done and then we spent the rest of the day on a fucking horse-drawn carriage and did it go good it was fine i guess she shook it off or whatever was like yeah i love horses haha yeah

i love this yeah he's so out of control it was just like i feel you know i i i think you know what this is a long time ago but it's like what i couldn't believe was just like this is you are you are in the middle of the most exciting time in your life. And yeah, that's what you're holding on to, you know? Well, that's,

I mean, look, it says a lot. I mean, it just, it just goes to show like, and then it's so funny because I don't know, just like you,

you think that with more fame or worth more money or whatever, like you're going to like lose, like, like you're not going to still be you, you know? Or like, there's still going to be those things that gonna still be you you know or like there's still gonna be those things that you that not you that that those private little flaws or whatever you know it's just it's just interesting you never stop being you wherever you go there you are

of course when you set a goal or when you're like when you have a dream in your mind it is happening to a better you oh you that is ready for it oh my god and it isn't ever it is happening to the you that is that you are you know what i mean and down to like any kind of like um you know hey let's go let's go for a sunrise surf in malibu great tomorrow me is gonna love that idea. You know what I mean? And then your alarm goes off and you're not tomorrow. You're yesterday you. You're the you that went to bed. And you're going to turn off your alarm and go right back

to sleep. I'm sure she's worked all that shit out. I will say this. We did that for the day. And then there was a TRL that was live and she was the guest and then and then there was a there was a trl that was live and she was the the the guest and she performed and whatever and i came back in and again back in the makeup room um she was like how many more people were outside today than usual i was like i don't what

do you mean so i mean like what percentage more people were out in Times Square than you would usually see there? And I was like, I don't know. She wanted analytics. Yeah. She wanted analytics. What percentage of the people who were there had signs for me?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, that's my Christina Aguilera story. She would have been a great, that's a fantastic story. First of all,

we should say, this is why Dave Holmes is like a true, one of the best pop culture storytellers we have, which makes him a great journalist in that way as well. Because I'll call out a child. I am not afraid to put a child on blast for their behavior when they were a child. I mean, going through the trauma of early fame.

We're all complicit in this when like if we think about britney we were all like mistreating this child yeah anyway by the way have they recut the madonna britney christina performance from the vmas like what's the original cut what's well original cut originally you didn't see't see Madonna kiss Christina because the camera was on Justin. That's right. Justin. Now it's on him for like a split second, but you do catch the tail end of the kiss. I have to say this.

I remember when I was that age watching it, that what happened was, feels so good. They kiss Madonna and Britney. Cuts to Justin Timberlake with his okay face and then it cuts back and you do for a split second see christina and madonna kissing and they pull away so i think that it was there it just again was the media just didn't focus on that. The headline was, Britney kisses Madonna. Sub-headline. Also, Christina too.

Yeah, totally. And Justin has to watch. Right. And anytime this comes up on the podcast, I do have to share what Matt and I have a friend named Colin Cordopassi from college, and he always likes to remind us that the next day, Beyonce was reached out to for a comment.

And she said that she was disgusted. You're kidding. No, yeah, I was disgusted, which I love. Oh God. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

And Beyonce is Beyonce. I mean, but Beyonce back then would have, you know, you know, took press and said, here's what I think. It's disgusting.

It was disgusting. Oh my god. What year was that even? 2002, 2003? It was long ago. Let me look this up. It was 2003.

Yeah, 2003. You know Rich Joswiak? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 2003. You know Rich Joswiak? Yeah. Yeah. He posted a thing yesterday of Madonna. It was like a Madam X event. And it's Access Hollywood is covering it.

And they're talking to one of her children. This is two years ago when that album came out? Oh, I guess. They were talking to Dave and her son. Yes. Yes. have you seen this? yeah, I saw this clip I didn't see it, what happened? so he's, whatever, they're

talking, and then Madonna enters and of course the Access Hollywood person wants to talk to Madonna, so they're like oh, David is telling us how funny you are and David goes, yeah, I was saying do you remember that time when you asked us to get a sandwich bag and we came back with a giant ziploc and you said who eats a sandwich that big and she just looks at him and goes no what are what are your thoughts on madame x as of late me madonna yeah no you're trying to get out of this one. Who, me? Who, me, the guest on the podcast?

Yeah, okay. I am waiting for her to be Madonna again. Yeah. I am waiting for her to say, you catch up to me. Right. You know what I mean? You're exactly right. That's what it is.

I feel like she's chasing something, and that is never a good look for anyone especially her i think that the industry in the world have has been as cruel and judgmental and critical to her as any of these women that we've mentioned and she has had always through the decades has had the attitude of i'm unbothered and then eventually i think she just got worn down and now she just seems like she just seems bothered and like she's she's trying to be something that maybe she thinks is going to be relevant or surprising and i feel like you're right she is instinctually intrinsically that so you wish that she didn't get clouded by whatever she's clouded by because she is the coolest bitch she is like madonna she is the only madonna

but there's something something uh going on my question for you is do you have like a moment you've been around or like person that you've met at a time when dot dot dot that that sticks out to you and all your time like being around this stuff um i do have uh well my mind goes to a thing that um the random house legal department politely requested that I leave out of my book. But you can tell us. You can tell us. Not on mic, I probably shouldn't. Okay. Yeah.

No. It's bad. It would get people in trouble. It would get people in trouble? Yeah. Is your book out? Yeah. Oh my god, I'm sorry. book out yeah oh my god i'm sorry i'm sorry i think you owe me an apology okay i apologize oh my god um wait but what about well then give us the second

best you have like i i need an anecdote if you're not going to give me the one and what's the question again can you repeat the question is there like a moment like in music history or person that you've encountered in your experience being around this stuff and doing what you do that stands out to you where you're like wow looking back like that was cool like or looking back like that was different than anything I've experienced or that person really impacted me in a way where it was like, I'll never forget that. There is a thing that happens when, uh,

Tori Amos looks at you. I got to interview her once. Wow. Um, I was on, I hosted 120 minutes for like five minutes and she was one of the people that I interviewed. And it was like the way when she

looks at you she is truly looking into you like it is those giant eyes and she just fixes her whole attention on you in a way that most people do not yeah and um and i truly was just like i am i am being seen down deep into my soul. Wow. She had that X factor. That X factor. And it was like, some of these people are not like us. You know what I mean? Some of these people are just sort of, you know, you see someone come through and they've got

their publicist with them and their makeup artist and all that and they're just regular people doing their job like anybody else. But it was like, oh no, Tori Amos is actually like a mystical being she is she's like someone who's a beautiful person a beautiful person um also similarly uh prince so we we did um i mean obviously he's of course the greatest like musician of all time but we uh we were gonna do uh like a special TRL with him.

He was premiering the video for, I think, the greatest romance ever sold. Not one of his better songs, but whatever. But he came... Okay, so if the show was from three to four, the whole hour was built around him. He was going to be the only guest. We were just going to play Prince videos.

And he showed up at like 350 right with a giant entourage um including one bodyguard holding on to um a like the tub that cheese balls from costco come in yeah of cheese balls but full of dollar bills because it was the swear jar and if you took the lord's name in vain you had to put in a dollar that was prince's rule that was prince's rule is this is this like common knowledge that he had a swear jar with his entourage or was this something you it was a jehovah's witness era i that's right yeah and uh but also ananda lewis my fellow vj was like in his entourage for the day, was just sort of like hanging out.

I guess they were friendly or whatever, but she was just like she's the best. She's super great. But she comes in like in a in like a Serape. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah. Like and and then like just sat cross-legged on the ground and watched. And it was like, this is like a sort of Earth Mother version of this person who I work with that I've just never seen. But it's like, I don't know. I guess that's what Prince does to you. Whatever. Yeah. So, Prince gets up on stage.

Carson Daly is like, we were expecting you a little bit earlier uh but we're glad you could make it and prince says uh i don't use time and uh i don't know okay uh what do you use and he says truth and like i swear to god i love that like all of us were like yeah yeah i don't use time i use truth. It's truth. Of course. That sounds like a housewives tagline. That was princess housewives tagline.

I don't use time. Oh, God. I lived long enough to be a real housewife. Oh, my God. I don't use time. I use truth. I use truth. Is the person that Random House told you not to talk about, was it Beyonce? Wasn't Beyonce.

No. Wasn't Beyonce. is the person that you that random house told you not to talk about was it beyonce wasn't beyonce no wasn't beyonce um i uh i do remember the original recipe uh destiny's child yeah can i can i ask you something yeah can i ask you something if i say the name of the restaurant that gave me food poisoning will you say your thing that random house asked you to take out beautiful um what a great quid pro quo that really speaks to me but no i i actually would get fine you and other people in trouble and you know what as okay so that means the person was big okay geez well yeah i'm gonna find i'm gonna find out later can't do it someone huge someone huge someone who would become huge oh it must it must okay it must have been demi lovato it was not demi lovato she was singing to a dinosaur back then probably truly barney for what she was on barney with selena that's how they met that's right like you forget

oh yeah you forget a lifelong. You forget. A lifelong. These babies. I don't know. I'm not keeping tabs on their relationship. They are not. Is it good now? Is it bad? I don't think it's great now.

Right. But it was at one point. Wish them the best of luck. Both of them. Both of them. But watch your tone when you do it because they'll. No, that's. A hundred percent.

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it just deserves a ranting and not to say like you know it deserved it you know but this thing it did but I'm ready to go this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so honey mess hall the restaurant in Los Angeles where I got my food poisoning did you do it? I did it I have to tell you something

you guys are my favorite restaurant I love mess hall why did you do this to me via my own daughter an oyster and I was so happy you should have seen me at dinner I was at dinner with Joel Greta and Sudi and I was so happy

I was like what oysters do you have he was like east coast he was like well I was like which ones I was doing my whole thing I was twirling he said we have the barcats from Virginia I was like absolutely bring them over they're sat down in front of me they were pretty good i could never have known i think what happened is a little piece of ice got on the oyster you know how that happens sometimes anyway i had seven days and seven nights of thunder in the words of kimberly lock and let me tell you i have lost the water is rising and I'm slipping under.

I think of that in love with you in Wonder. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one minute. I'm so happy to end up giving props to one of the best pop songs, capital B, capital B, capital S

of all time, 8th World Wonder by Kimberly Locke, the second runner up on American Idol season 2 but yes, it was mess hall where I got my food poisoning I'm sorry, I couldn't hold it in any longer, I've been confronted you seem lighter and they are my favorite restaurant

the very first night I got back I was like, I'd like to go out to my favorite restaurant, mess hall and and I went and here's the thing it's not their fault you guys sometimes this is just the risk that we run when we have oysters and it happened to me it could happen to you I certainly don't want to be

out here like harming the oyster community but I just want to say you gotta be careful and understand that you could get a bacterial infection that knocks you the f out tfo girl wow poor thing we're we're happy you're feeling better it was like my blood hurt two days ago i can't even explain it to you like i went to the doctor and i was like hi what's happening and he was like okay so you obviously have like a bacterial infection from the oysters because my covid test came back negative um but it was really it's been a wild

week and it was because i went to that establishment and i love them so much but i had to say wow it's okay i don't know that i would do an oyster from mess hall i like it but i always have they always have good ones oh, you're right. Matt can't resist. Yeah, not always. I can't resist. Clearly not always. Matt can never resist an oyster if he goes to a restaurant.

No. If they have them, I get them. Okay. And this is why I'm saying it's equal opportunity. This could be anywhere you get your oysters. Even like a seafood restaurant

at the house down. Mmm. Mmm. My favorite place, though. Luck of the draw. Bad luck of the draw. It's a Russian roulette. It's a Russian roulette. Shuck of the draw. Shuck of the draw bad luck of the draw it's a Russian roulette it's a Russian roulette

shuck of the draw shuck of the draw I don't know why shuck of the draw oh my god a west coast luck of never mind

I was going for something I lost my way I stooped so low to do a pun and I'm ashamed sometimes puns are what people want to hear though

it's true it's very true Bowen do you have an I don't think so honey topic I do I do I'm very excited to hear that bowen yang this is your i don't think so honey your time starts now i don't think so honey live undried flowers why what am i supposed to do with you when i receive you i'm supposed to be reminded of my own mortality as i watch you wither and die give me dried florals as I'm like, I'm holding in my hand right now the whole day.

Yes. Is, am I doing, I don't think so many live flowers because I couldn't think of a topic and I literally looked to my right and saw dried florals. Don't go right now. I guess I got it. Don't go right now.

Don't go right now. I'm going to own up to this, but this is actually something that I'm very, I'm actually passionate about. You can just, you can even say that I was inspired in a, in a, in a, in a real genuine inspiring moment that I need to, I don't ever send me flowers. If you're listening to this and you have the urge to send me florals, they better be dry

from a website like afloral.com where I order all my dried florals. And this is, we're not sponsored by them. This is just my go-to dried floral place. I get to put them in a pitcher downstairs on my dining room table and I call it a day and they'll sit there for years. And I'll be so happy with the way my apartment looks. Aesthetically, florally, whatever.

I don't care about the scent. No, no, no, no. Dry, light florals. This is well over one minute. Hey, hey, ho, ho. Guys, I'm stressed out. Hey, hey, ho, ho. You don't send flowers anymore.

The theme song to everyone out there. You don't send flowers anymore. Was that a Star is Born? Dried flowers. No, that was not a Star is Born. That was... That was Annie. That was the Annie that the 2018...

Which one? Wait. That was the Cameron Diaz Annie you know what you know what's an under rated Annie song what let's go to the movies let's go to the movies I remember watching that as a kid in like the original and like the

I don't think that's in the original wait what it's not in the original it's not in the original it's in the first film adaptation and I remember watching that as a kid being like this is the chicest thing I've ever seen. People, it's like, it's let's go a lot.

Let's go. Let's all go to the lobby. Wish it was. Let's go to the movies. It is the most wonderful glamorization of going to the cinema that I've ever, that's ever been committed to film. I think everyone should do themselves a favor and watch. Let's go to the movies.

I mean, Annie, wait, I need to rewatch. I have not seen Annie in literal decades I'm telling you this score will make you absolutely cry I saw their Broadway revival with Jane Lynch which was pretty good

Jane played Annie she was Miss Annigan she was obviously great but it really is one of those classic little musicals where you hear you hear just the i mean tomorrow is such a good song but i'm telling you maybe has no maybe it does what the other girls should have done nyc nyc oh and you know what like that was the first show that i was like wait they do a song that's just the songs that you're gonna hear

at the beginning before anything starts oh the overture oh yeah that's incredible absolutely you need an overture oh god i was wowed by that shit you need an overture lord have mercy i when i saw funny girl and on the west end in london they do a full overture and it's like it was it was the whole score it felt like we're sitting there forever and the movie doesn't too if you put on the barbra streisand funny girl from 68 like the first few minutes is an overture and you're like oh i'm at the theater wow have you seen um okay so you know how they did the real live brady bunch in chicago in the early 90s It is low-key probably one of the most important moments in our culture ever. It was very early 1990s.

You know who it was? It was now Joey Soloway. Faith and Joey Soloway. And they just, like, they got all their, you know, weirdo sketch and improv friends together and just did old Brady Bunch scripts. Right. And they like turned them up the tiniest bit. But it's like it was the first thing where it was like like it was cool to remember to like know a Brady Bunch episode by heart.

Yeah. It was a little dubious to have that kind of power and knowledge before then, but this kicked off that weird retro thing. But Carol Brady was Jane Lynch. Andy Richter was Mike Brady. Melanie Hutzel

played Jan Brady and then went on to Saturday Night Live, where she did that character on Saturday Night Live. You can find it on YouTube, Real Live Brady Bunch. Watch it. The moment that Melanie Hutzel walks out as Jan Brady is like, it is the arrival of a superstar. Like, she had, like, just her look, like, the crowd registers her look for two minutes.

And then she's just like, hi. And like, people fucking, fucking like beach balls are bouncing around the house people on people's shoulders it's just it's like a celebration the likes of which you have jan is one of the great comedic characters if you can do jan if you can do jan it's like if you can sing alphaba if you can sing alphaba you can sing anything if you can sing Elphaba. If you can sing Elphaba, you can sing anything. If you can perform comedy as Jan, you can perform comedy as any old character in the West. But we didn't know that. We didn't know that.

We took her for granted. She was just a middle kid. We didn't notice. We didn't know. But yeah, that was that kicked off. The central problem with Jan is we didn't notice. Yeah, you don't notice. That's the whole culture number of 75.

The central problem with Jan is we didn't notice. We didn't notice. We didn't notice. We didn't notice. Yeah, you don't notice. That's really culture number 75. The central problem with Jan is we didn't notice. We didn't notice. We didn't notice. We didn't notice. That's her deal. Wow.

Well, Matt, I would say this is a really, really beautifully rich little piece of junket cake

of an episode. Well, we still have Dave Holmes as I don't think so, honey darling. I'm so sorry. I'm all over the place. Can you tell I'm so stressed? Okay, that's Darling. I'm so sorry. I'm all over the place. Can you tell I'm so stressed?

Okay, that's right. I'm sorry. Dave, Dave, I'm sorry. Let's move on. He glows when he gets laid, but it's like... But he's tired. There's a little something. Yeah.

There's an essential quality that is missing. When I tell them to move my guts around, I don't mean my brain. Let's move on. Move my guts around, I don't mean my brain. Let's move on. Move my guts around? See, people lose me with the guts. People say that. Do they? Yeah, they do.

People say that. And I go, oh, that's a lot. Sometimes I'll be watching a perfectly good porno, and the bottom will say something like, yeah, flood my guts. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't want to kink shame or whatever, but talking about guts is

never going to be for me. Nope. Contaminate my lymph. No! Isn't that awful? No, I'm with you guys. It's disgusting. Contaminate my limb. Is that even...

Oh, man. No. Man. Here we go. This is dead. I know you're going to go right into your... I don't think so. Dave, are you ready?

Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry, guys. Stop. This is Dave Holmes' I Don't Think So, Honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey people who spell the word y'all y a apostrophe l l no where how do you get by in the world person who does this what is yeah oh what yeah yo it let us let's talk about let's let me take you back to let's say third grade

come on we learn about our friend the apostrophe and what she does she takes the place of of the letters the syllables the sounds that are taking a break she steps in she wants to remind you they're they're they're they're not gone they're just taking a break y'all is you and all it's not y'all at all it's not yo uh similarly uh people who 15 seconds my dog's furious about it yeah people who uh say text as the past tense of texted like i text you the other day are you five seconds am i jane who does that a lot seconds. Am I Jane? Who does that? I have a good friend who does that and I hope he's not listening because it drives me

fucking crazy. She texted me yesterday. You are not Tonto. Stop this. That's one minute. This is the thing. People also need to stop. I completely agree with you.

People need to stop putting a space after an apostrophe if it's just a contraction of of two words you doing what are you why you know it would be the worst text ever to get after a threesome the person that everyone fuckedl y'all y'all all flooded my gut hope it's okay that I just text you

oh it's like what is that how is it spelled in your head when you say that like text as past tense what is that word that you're imagining I don't know I'm gonna do it from now on because I actually think it's funny don't do it

not wrong way have you seen not wrong way now that you're imagining i don't know i'm gonna do it from now on because i don't do it don't do it not wrong way are you have you seen not wrong way now that you're back in california mount rogers no what is that okay it's on the highway signs in california it says uh don't drive drunk not wrong way or drive sober not wrong way don't ruin lives no what does that mean i think they're trying to say don't drive the wrong way but that's but if you were driving the wrong way you wouldn't be able to see it because it's on the front it's on the front of the also it's too distracting for the road not wrong way it's like what relationship is this yeah i think it's just it's the wrong way to do things it's to drive drunk so don't do that because it's the wrong way that's the way that it i don't know but it's it's very bad and then they just did a

rewrite of it but they kept them not wrong way you get on that 101 you'll see damn don't you hate it when they make an edit on something a piece of writing and then you go that was the wrong trim the whole time the wrong the whole time wrong trim the whole time wrong trim the whole time well this felt like the right episode for the right time it was lovely okay um this was so i mean truly an honor to have you on we've wanted to for so long you've been kind enough to have us on homophilia a bone has not been on we need not wrong way honored i thought that was not wrong way i thought that was one of the ones we did together, but I guess not. No.

We have to fix it. I know you're about to be very busy. That's what it was. I came on myself, and then I came on with Dave. So, you got to get on there. I would love to.

We will work around your busy schedule. And Matt, what a true angel. The great Matt McConkie. He's lovely. He is just the best. And always looking good. Always looking good.

Always looking good. Yeah. Yeah. Very handsome. Wonderful man. Very handsome. You want to talk, it was much like Andy Cohen calling you out.

Here's a little behind the scenes dish. Okay. We had Andrew Scott on, sex priest from Fleabag, who's a friend of mine in real life Okay. I, we had Andrew Scott on, sex priest from Fleabag, who's a friend of mine in real life. And we left and, and Andrew Scott said, oh,

he's quite beautiful, isn't he? About Matt? It was like, about Matt. I was like, wow. Matt is took,

but a priest said it. A priest said it. If hop priest said, was just, if Andrew said anything to anyone, they are obligated to have sex with her. To explore that.

Their guts moved around. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Moved around. I'm sorry, Andrew. I know. No, but you know what? It's something our community

has to grapple with, the fact that we say guts moved around. I just don't know who it's turning on. It's guts. Yeah, yeah. Guts feels like

not a gay term, no no do you have it remember that show guts i remember that there was a show guts oh bowen you you might not know guts i i don't know it's nickelodeon kids culture so bowen did not have cable at the time but so much to explore um in the future then listen dave holmes yes tell us tell the audience the readers the publicists where they can find you and enjoy you uh well i'm on twitter at dave holmes also instagram instagram's a little better um i oh i have a show coming out october 12th called waiting for impact a dave hol project oh yes I saw this it's a 10 episode investigative podcast

about the disappearance of a boy band called Sudden Impact who were featured in the 1991 Boyz II Men video Motown Philly and then

never heard from again do we get to the bottom of it by the end of the 10th do we ever oh do we ever thank you so much

for not doing one of those sham investigative podcasts that just end in an open question. Yeah, aka the whole problem with unsolved mysteries, the show. Never solved. They're never solved. It's the essential problem of unsolved mysteries.

We don't notice. We don't solve. Truly. We don't solve. That's the central problem. Well, we can't wait. Can't wait. And everyone, please listen to that.

October 12th. October 12th on the Exactly Right Network. That's the central problem. Well, we can't wait. Can't wait. And everybody, please listen to that. October 12th. October 12th on the Exactly Right Network. On the Exactly Right Network. Oh, but listen, until then, you'll have this episode to listen to again and again to keep you tidied over. Bo and Yang, we are supposed to finish every episode with a song. Hmm. Oh, when are the awards, you guys?

We don't know. We don't know yet. We cannot answer that question. Okay, we cannot answer that. That's rude to ask. I'm very excited for them,'t know yet. We cannot answer that question. Okay, we cannot answer that. It's rude to ask. I'm very excited for them, though. Rude to ask. Thank you.

Okay, man. No, I just, because I need to pick out an outfit. Sure, sure. To watch. You'll have to send, you'll have to be one of the presenters. Dave, would you present?

Would you like to present? Would you send in a little recording? Oh my God, yeah. Voice recording? Absolutely. You'll be presenting. You'll be presenting officially our first presenter

for the awards that's announced. Yes. How exciting. We're starting to announce the presenters. That's going to be the whole episode is us announcing the presenters. Oh, wow. It may bring Matt along. I mean, now that I'm just taking liberty.

Please. Of course. Perfect. Yes, of course. Do a fun little physical comedy bit. Oh, yeah. That'll be great. That'll be great.

We'll be like, hey, where's the cue card? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of thing. Oh, classic. The classic, where's the cue card bit. But in the meantime, I would like to sing a song by an artist who demanded an apology of Dave Holmes.

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