Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "I Used To Blow Guys" (w/ Jessi Klein)

Episode Date: April 20, 2022

In a literal sense, Mama, we have a show and a half for you today. The talented author of the new book I'll Show Myself Out and showrunner of the upcoming Showtime comedy series I Love That For You is here with Matt & Bowen and her name is Jessi Klein! Yes! The gals talk the ins and outs and terrors and joys of motherhood as explored in Jessi's new (and wonderful) book. Carseat culture. Potty training culture. Throat culture... culture. And so much more, including: realizing you're mommy or daddy in a professional environment, why "adulting" actually is difficult, and how home economics classes failed students across America. Also, Dirty Dancing and getting horned up and acting on it as a maturing child, Big Mouth and when to consider consuming adult media with your kid, cathartic experiences in movie theaters, how antibiotics are ruining our buttholes, the fact that gift shops are really candle stores, and Jessica Biel in the trailer for the new movie Candy. I'll Show Myself Out is out on April 26th and I Love That For You streams on Showtime April 29th and airs on May 1st! Jessi Klein, everybody! Yes!!!!!!!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm not going to like this. The energy you can already feel. Yeah. There's something going on. Oh, well, step into the party and you go, I'm not going to like this. The energy you can already feel. Yeah. There's something going on. Well, step into the party, babe. At the party is an ear infection. I heard it was a double. I heard it was a double ear infection.

Double ear infection in one ear, an outer and inner ear infection. I can not hear out of my right ear. It is a challenge. And they've got me on a steroid right now, Beau, that I'm really sorry I'm not using it at the gym. Because I think I could like, you know, not to sort of blow the load on the book here, but mom lift a car.

You know, like when a mom can lift a car. Yeah, yeah, sure. On this steroid they have me on for my ear infection, I think I can lift a car. We'll get ready for your nipples to look insane. You're not going on steroids i forbid you well no it's too late bo because on wednesday i went in for and they put me on antibiotics and gave me a shot of steroids in the ass and today i got another one because my ear infection refuses

to tame this is actually this is really actually freaking me i'm really scared i'm so scared oh no and i'm sorry i'm not being like i'm not like assuaging anything i feel like this is perfect can i say something you're being perfect you want to know why because you're being can i say something say i'm story stewarding you honey as we've learned from atlas of the heart by bernie brown atlas of the heart everyone must watch everyone must watch atlas of the heart. Everyone must watch. Everyone must watch Atlas of the Heart. Because I took notes. I told you I took notes.

I took notes mentally. I didn't write anything down. But I brought up Atlas of the Heart today in a, sorry, industry term, general. I was like, you have to watch Atlas of the Heart. And the woman was like, okay. Well, she literally had the book. But when I described it to her, she kind of like checked out and like wasn't making eye contact with me over Zoom.

And I was like, okay, so I guess you, I don't know what you're trying to communicate with me to me non-verbally. Are you interested or are you not? Here was my sort of vibe in absorbing Brene Brown. And I would say to anyone at any general or outside of a general. Yeah.

What you're going to want to do is you're gonna want to drink one of these thc seltzers by wonder from higher vibes we're not getting an ad this is not an ad it's just me sort of just extolling praise on this beverage which i'm drinking a blackberry lemon beverage my god And I sat here and I was so touched by what Brene was saying that I wrote down these things.

Connection is a listening and believing. Okay? Mm-hmm. Look at this. Nothingness is the answer to overwhelm. Yes.

If you ever feel overwhelmed, the answer is to just do nothing. Sit down, do nothing. If you can. Not if you're a mother, not if you're a mother not if you're a parent the enemy of connection is control that was like the last episode i know all of this oh honey you don't have to tell me when i saw the enemy of connection is control that really broke it really was a watershed moment renee brown bne Brown has a way. It's actually rule of culture number 44.

Brene Brown has a way. Has a way. And I was just totally overwhelmed by all of this. And honestly, I'm employing a lot of these sort of mantras because when I tell you the ear infection comes a day before I need to fly to New York to do Watch What Happens Live, which readers of this podcast know know is my one true dream. So huge.

So huge. And I will not allow an ear infection to stop me from promoting the upcoming I Love That For You on the television program Watch What Happens Live. Now, that's interesting because it's also a segue, Beau. It's also a segue, but can I just really quickly propose that you ask, you pull a mariah carey famously mariah carey on watch what happens live asked andy to flip to the other side yeah so that she they could get her good side and i think if you can't hear if you're out of your

right ear then that means you have to sort of flip over technically in order to hear best i should sit in andy's seat so that my left ear can be nearest to the grand dom herself, Karen Huger, and Andy Cohen, Andrew Cohen. I will not allow any ear nonsense, and I know I know historically they're exacerbated by flights,

but I will not let it stop me. I'm going to New York, and by the time this airs, the episode will have aired of Watch What Happens Live. By the time you listen to this podcast episode, I should say. And so just pray that I made it and pray that on April 17th, I was on Watch What Happens Live with Karen Huger. Honey, you're going to do great. This is one of those things where like, you deserve this more than anybody I know. Thank you.

I'm so excited. Yes. Do you agree? I actually think I've put in the hard yards. And I think if I'm going to have my very first televised talk show appearance, it has to be Watch What Happens Live. When they told me it was with Karen Huger, I fell out of my chair. I was in makeup. One of the best to ever do it. On the show.

I love that for you. Getting ready for my big take. And they told me it was Karen Huger. And I fell out of the chair. No one could understand why I was so, why my faculties were so gone. Yeah. But wow.

Wow. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you going on Watch What Happens Live to promote. I love that for you. Premiering on Showtime. Mm-hmm. April what? 29th streaming.

And it airs on Sunday, May 1st. I don't understand it, but that's what's happening happening and apparently there's a precedent for the streaming on fridays yeah yeah we don't have we don't have to get it we don't have to get it we don't have to get into all that's not our job but here's the thing about our guest the showrunner the showrunner most powerful person in hollywood one might say i feel like this this is a major moment i've loved this person for such a long time hello hello i i just have to say like when i first met the guest it was my callback audition for i love that for you and i was very nervous to meet her because then it's like a thing of you have to go be funny in front of the funniest person what and she's someone who's like she's not like these other people who like not like the

other girls dip their toe not like the other girls who dip their toe into like memoir essays and you know kind of phone it in this is this is long form she's a long form writer it's writing it's writing capital w and the guest is such an amazing writer and the new book which is out april 26 it's called i'll show myself out it's essays on midlife and motherhood i am absolutely loving this and it's really caused me to i don't know about you bo but like really renegotiate and like think again about me being a child and thinking more and really considering my mother in a way that I never had until reading this and I just can't say enough about it it's so funny it's so it's so smart it's the right though like oh my god like

I've never seen that sense before it hits it hits It hits. I just finished it today. I loved it. Just the end is really special. Yes. Let's tell this to her in person while we look at her through this. We're going to tell this to her in person. And listen, I mean, you may know and love our guest. Actually, we spoke about voiceover before.

Peek behind the curtain. We were all chatting about, you know, setting up tech to record our voices during the pandemic. You may know our guest as jesse on big mouth okay so that's sort of an on-camera extraordinaire animated sense and then also emmy winner for inside amy schumer truly one of those people that's that's worked on everything good and that will continue because when i tell you she's just such an incredible force behind i love that for

you the series i'm lucky enough to be on with vanessa bay or molly shen and jennifer lewis at all i'm just so like excited to work with this person and i'm just incredibly bowled over and honored that she's here to be on lost culture is this so please welcome into your ears. Jesse Klein. Oh my God. You guys, I don't know if I want to cry or throw up or both. I'm just so cold. I might be both. It's a hold my hair moment.

I'm so hot. You guys are so nice. Thank you for saying such nice things. I am truly flipping out to be on this with you guys. Deserving ass. I told you right before we started recording um your last book you'll go out of it was like my last great like subway read yeah uh-huh and like it was it was just but it was just one of those books where i was like damn like i feel like she's

really she you write with i don't know such like a crispness i don't i don't mean to like throw these words at you that like i don't know sound a little I don't know just like out of like a thesaurus or something but like it was I don't know it's just it's it's a really sharp book and I and I'm reading this I was like kind of expecting something similar but this is totally structured in such an interesting different way that I was like once, sort of blown away by like, the thing you're trying to write being so unlike a lot of things that like people who work in comedy do. Does that make sense? No, I, well, again, I'm just, I'm so, I'm so glad you read the

first one on the subway. It's really where it belongs. on the subway or on the toilet is really where i want my words to be all good books all good books yeah all good books so that i'm telling you i wish i could be on the subway more sorry sorry go ahead no this i know this voice maybe got a little dicey but you know so that leaves us with the toilet i guess but um yeah and i do believe in like having a book by the toilet i just i'm not trying to be like a flippant about it i think that's a great a great place to read but um it's so funny like that first book i was really kind of unemployed when i got like not really the offer to write the book i was hooked up with a book agent by my manager at the time and um i was really kind of i guess i think we had just finished shooting the first season of Inside Amy Schumer.

And so we didn't know that people would like it. We didn't know if it would come back. I sort of, I mean, I liked it, but I just assumed most things don't really go the way you want them to. So I kind of was, I was out of a job. I didn't have anything else to do. And then I met this book agent, david keating who was very encouraging and had read just like little bits and pieces of things i had i don't know little essays here and there that were around maybe the internets or something and um anyway i just wrote it really

kind of on like a lark like we shopped it and someone bought it and i just was like oh books don't no one cares about a book but but this is all I have to do. I mean, I was just wandering these streets. I had nothing. And I would go sit at a little like cupcake wine shop near where I was living in New York at the time. Just, oh, you're welcome. And just get like a cupcake and a glass of wine

at like a tight 1130 a.m. Good. And just type away. And then it became a book. It became a book. But like, I still think about Poodles versus Wolves all the time. Poodle versus Wolves. Poodles and Wolves.

I think about this essay you wrote about working at SNL and just thinking in terms of like the the the different levels of like not envy that you feel but like the like the levels of like man I wish I could be in that place and then you get to the place and you're like I wish I could be in this other more inner circle of the place and then you get into that inner circle and then you're like oh but there's yet another inner circle that I want to like try and get into and like and it just leads like into the deepest part of Lauren's brain like how can I just go into like lauren's exactly you're j-lo in the cell all of a sudden yeah it looks the same i'm sure his brain looks the exact same i look the same as her the room looks the same as her everything's the same it's the same it's

the same it's the same but then but then i think you like was why didn't like scoped it out to like this concept of like and this was like when we were starting to like figure out that this was like a thing that everyone was doing dealing with their social media like when you see someone's like beach vacation photos like try to like resist that urge to be like i wish i was there because once you're there you're like oh it's not what i thought it would be anyway i just think that what like you like we're able to take like this SNL sort of narrative and then, like, make it seem very universal. And anyway, I just, like, not being a mother, I, like, read this new book and I was like, damn, like, how am I? It's so wonderful that, like, I'm able to, like, read it and go, I'm going to reevaluate things about my own life.

Oh, my God. Really? Yeah. So that's so, it's such a relief to hear because I feel like, um, I just sort of knew with this, like, I guess my son was maybe like around,

my son is almost seven now. And, um, I don't know. It just sort of struck me like when he was around like two ish or three ish, like, Oh, maybe I would like start to write a book about what this experience has been

like. But, and I sort of talk about it at the beginning of the book too like does anybody give like one hot fuck about like reading about parenthood if they're not a parent and i know i've read books where like i didn't care about it so much but i was like i kind of wanted to just approach it from like this is this is like what i've been going through and also like i guess for me being a mother i did start to reconsider my own relationship with my with both of my parents but especially my mom who i you know i adore and i love her but

i was like did she feel this level of like get me the fuck out of here when i was a kid and i i i can't speak for you know all parents or mothers but i feel like if someone says no they're lying well yeah there was a moment where and it was um there's a moment in the book where you discuss sitting with asher trying to get him to use a public restroom and you're sitting because he's been successfully potty trained at home sure with the smaller i guess like being like a hero being like a hero at home in a little plastic potty i literally i had a i had an extreme vivid flashback and actually had to put the book down and like walk around because i for the very first, was transported back to when I was a kid, when I was a small kid, I was deathly afraid of getting the throat culture.

Like when my throat was hurting. Yeah. And it still bothers me a little bit. But I'm telling you, like, Jesse, it was like a thing where I knew I was going to the doctor later in the day and would be fidgety all day and cry and then i remember it one time we didn't even get it successfully because for 90 minutes when i was like six or seven i screamed and cried and i this is this is what struck me about it because it was the very first time reading your book that i and this is what what really stirred me and got me got me kind of emotional was I had never considered my mother as the main character of that situation.

I had never actually thought of her who she was the only person with me at the time. My father wasn't there. And this older male doctor who was fed up with me and letting my mother know it. But, and me as a child, obviously not having any like permanence outside of myself

only being focused on getting this fucking stick out of my mouth and away from me and getting home to watch tv or whatever and i had never really thought about what must be going on in my mother's head you know as someone who just wants her child to be healthy who also probably has a thing going on in her brain of this doctor is going to think i'm a mother who can to be healthy, who also probably has a thing going on in her brain of this doctor is going to think I'm a mother who can't control my son, who also is stressed out because it's so simple. Just sit there and get the throat culture done. It's so easy, but also is stressed out for the child and what they're going through. Then maybe even emotionally taking the kid's side because it is a lot. It is down his throat it has to be so much and i'm

telling you your book and your writing and the way that you sort of described the situation got me to consider my mother and my parents in a way that i never had and it's like that throughout the book i am sure that is like truly you don't even know what it means to me i mean i have many things to say i'm'm so touched, first of all. I mean, that's like my dream of all this. Here are some notes I was taking in my mind while you were talking. I'm sorry to say.

She's still show running. No, no, not notes. Jessie has notes from me. And by the way, I have to say, I always love notes from Jessie. They always make my performance better. So this was my dream. Jessie's is out today. No, these are notes I was taking because I wanted to want to say one i just want to talk about throat cultures i still cannot do them bad culture i it's why why is this still the technology we're using to find out if we have like the thing in the back the wooden stick on my tongue honestly it does create so much

anxiety and stress in me it i it's the worst so poor young matt rogers poor us still having to do this well that's the first thing yeah secondly well and then i have something to say about your ear infection too in a very jewish mom why i have thoughts for you about the plane but i just don't let me forget that because it's important open to everything um i mean the other thing is you know just like in all the things you're taking off about like thinking about your mom and the situation and i've with asher like going to the doctor i mean it's better now because he's older but those moments of holding them down for shots them screaming the leg truly pleading it's so heartbreaking and all and yeah the doctor's

judging me and i can't control my kid but then the one other thing just to say is like and again i don't know your mom but i'm sure she's a perfect person she's really she's fucking perfect angels who have raised an angel such as yourself oh my gosh um angels raising angels there's like there's also like i mean the pieces were during and also because when kids are really little you're going to the doctor like every week or at least like we were at the doctor all the time but they're just the moments where i'm like i just want to be doing something else like i want to be having a drink i want to know and like you know there was like the book like you don't ever leave behind like i'm still in shock that i'm a mom yeah like i'm

i mean i love my kid and i'm like i get it i'm a mom but i you know i'm always like i used to blow guys like i used to like like i'm like that's who i am yeah who i am is someone who blows guys not someone who sits around holds down a kid to get a culture screaming at a baby trying to hold a baby down i am out doing stand-up like oh my god yeah i'm supposed to be getting something in my throat and you're i mean it was right there it was right there so i had to do it but um it's so oh the other thing i was gonna say is i'm also just so sorry to like use the word potty with like two grown adult men because i feel like it's such a disgusting emasculating word and anytime i hear the word potty i feel like everyone's like sex parts fall off it's an i don't think so honey

for sure i don't think so honey just potty no but anyway but that was that little thing is called a potty but i'm sorry that it's even been raised this early in this beautiful no no it's actually perfect because i think you comment on the word horny at one point in the book and you're like why haven't we as a society come up with a better word yeah then horny strong because that feels very like juvenile but potty i think is a very laden word in terms of like the story like if like when my like my sister potty training her daughter like or just when my sister says go potty to my niece in front of me i go wow that tells me the story of like the the journey that they've been on yeah yeah and i think i think that i think the word potty once you get to like an adult age you kind of there's an empathy there even if i even

even even though i don't have kids i hear someone say appearance they potty to their child and i go oh my god like the the the insurmountable work that's been put into this oh my god well you are a true also a little empathetic angel for feeling that because i'm always just very uh it is i mean it is sort of um it's crazy it's kind of like like just once once i found myself doing that like that chapter that is about like being sitting on the floor of like a starbucks restroom i truly think maybe this is where covid actually started it was somehow like some virus like blended into the, we were patient zero, just like the germ layers that were created by my son,

like being, not being while I cried or some tear fell from me onto like a man's fecal germ. And then Starbucks and now we have COVID. But yeah, just those moments. Not only was I feeling very deeply sorry for myself, but I was just like, God, people have been doing this for ages and I've never freaking thought about this once.

That has to be the thing that you would never think. It's like when you think like, and we're going to have children, probably something you don't even realize. It's like, and the list is probably extremely long and you do get into all of it or it seems like you do um but like potty training a child can't be on the brain can't be on the brain no it was just not even a thought but it's also sort of like i feel like uh like i remember as a very young person when i was like first looking for an apartment in New York. And I grew up in New York, but so I knew like what, what, how hard it would be.

What was that? Just like that feeling of once you're looking for real estate, you're like, it's all you can think about. And that's all you can hear other people talking about. For the rest of your life. For the rest of your life. And then you're like, how is it not like all anyone's talking about like all the fucking time but then that kind of got supplanted by by potty training and now it's on to the next thing i guess it's just as you go through each nightmarish stage of life you're just like isn't

it why isn't everyone talking about this nightmarish stage of life but i think that's like the way the way the book is structured is perfect okay so for for um for the readers our readers yes um it's it's I this is so I think you set it up so really smart in the first chapter it's like it's a Joseph Campbell uh hero's journey but like what if the hero's journey is about not going somewhere else which is what traditionally how they're traditionally framed but you know staying a mother and not running the other way um and then the rest of the book is sort of like you kind of going through each part of that cycle um or the journey itself and at one point you say i think in the towards the middle of the book that like being a mom is like giving birth every day's, there's something like that, just that,

that's like ruptures a part of your psyche that you, that you never expected you before. And honestly, and I don't know, I hope you don't mind me saying this, like for, for, for a while I was like,

this is like unrelenting, like, like, like me reading this book, I'm just like, there's so much going on here. And then, and then of course the last two essays are like

so beautifully like rendered that like it all like makes it okay and it all is like beautiful and wonderful and worthwhile and i was like oh my god thank god but you really had me at least like nail biting until the end being like is this woman gonna be okay is she dead is she gonna show up for this podcast did jesse die is this like a weird podcast where it's like an in memoriam and like this is gonna end with like was recorded today and um she died of motherhood we're gonna put together some clips of other it's more of just like a fresh air like after the person dies yes it's a retrospective a retrospective of my saddest five minute clips from comedy um no and yeah it is i it is a little unrelenting no but but but then like but then like the point of the book is that you survived and like the survival is like

the is the journey and the survival is the beauty and then and then not to spoil it but like the last chapter you kind of describe this fantasy that you want then and then not to spoil it but like the last chapter you kind of describe this fantasy that you want to like jump ahead to where it's like you know your older son asher's in his 20s and you guys meet up at like cafe clooney and you guys catch up and he's telling you about his work and his life and who he's you know dating and this person that he loves i loved that it really made me feel like i want to be you know what i've actually tried i've actually made an effort but i i want to be more honest with my parents about what's going on in my life like yeah and i mean sometimes i know they listen to

the podcast and get like a horrifying like little clip of what's happening in my life like whatever fucking sexual journey i'm on that day i'm so proud of you matt i'm so proud of you i think that they are but the thing is like um i i wonder like it is that thing of like you negotiate how much you want to share with your parents and then i i said in reading the final pages of the book it was sort of very apparent to me it's like i think that they would love to hear the specific things i'm going through because you even describe in the book like when you first sent Asher to preschool it's like looking out the window realizing he's spending you know four and a half five hours away from you

and you're like it's crazy I don't know what's going on no idea what's going on I remember there was first of all I truly cannot I'm just so sweet of you guys that you've like read and remembered any specific

we always read the book we always read the book no I know you do I know you do but it doesn't make it any less sweet or awesome that you loved it it's our pleasure to read anything that you write first of all so yes you can trust me if you want you know i won't shut up jewish mom jewish mom shushing all over um there was that movie i don't know if you ever saw but it's one of my favorite movies uh that mike mills movie 20th century women oh my god so good net bending um and oh there's just that moment and this was like when i think it came out like

when my son was very like a bait like truly a baby like a few months old or something but there was a line that she says where she goes and net bending is the mother and has her her son is like 13 or 14 is you you know, being a boy out in his little skateboard and listening punk or whatever. But she says, I'll never get to see what he's like in the world. I'll never know what he's really like in the world. And it's like that notion that like, sort of no matter how close you are with your child. And, and I, you know, it's my parents are, you know, not quite still alive. And I, I know it's that fascinating thing where it does just make you reconsider it all. But when I heard that line in that movie and I was looking at my baby and I'm like, even if I'm very close with him and I

do everything right and we maintain, you know, I, I'm like, maybe there's a world in which like boys still love their moms and women with their dad, you know, but he loves dad. But, um, but like, you'll never, I'm like that feeling of just like, he's, I'm not the way I am with my friends, with my parents, maybe a little bit sometimes. And they're pretty, you know, chill, liberal human beings. It's not like I'm massively purposely needing to hide something from them. But when you realize like that, it's not like i'm massively purposely needing to hide something from them but when you realize like that it's like this person has come out of you and then one day they'll just really have this whole side that you'll never really get to know it actually i don't know matt i think like your parents listening to this podcast must lose their minds in the best way i they do think so definitely the best way and you

know you know what's interesting it's like that's another thing is you can never really prepare for what your kid is going to become and i think that some of the some of the really interesting moments are when i realized i was an adult with my parents does that make sense yeah it's if i ever like got to a place where and I remember well this might be an overshare but like there was like

a period of time there was like a period of time several years ago where I feel like I was explaining things about my perspective to my father and

there were hard conversations. I mean we had like one time a blowout in Beer Authority on 40th and i remember that night i remember that night i think because i called you like crying because we had had a blowout fight because i was explaining why i was supporting bernie sanders and it was just such a funny oh my god that's such a dad fight you know and and what i said was what i said that really took him out of the restaurant

and down the street and we didn't speak for two days was that i explained to him that he may need to and and probably inelegantly i said this but check his privilege on something because he is an older straight white man who yeah whatever that and that was like this was 2016 2015 2016 when people did not this was not just the vernacular you know what i mean this was still like something that was becoming yeah for for you know people of that generation like part of something they could accept hearing about themselves yeah despite the fact that you know the everyone has privilege etc as we know and it's about checking all of our own individual privileges in order to get to understanding.

But he only heard me saying he was out of touch and didn't have a social conscience and whatever. And I think that two days later when we had a conversation, I told him, I was like, Dad, I want to apologize for us getting into a conversation where both of us got upset. I never want to see you hurt, but I will not take back what I said because I genuinely feel that's something we all need to do. And maybe I could have gone about saying it better. But his response to me was interesting because I could tell that he had considered what I said and maybe it had, um, you know, illuminated him,

not just to that topic, but to that, maybe I was someone who could also engage with him about new ideas and things, which has to be kind of crazy when you gave birth to and reared that child. And I'm sure that you, and I know Bowen has this with his parents as well.

Yeah. I want to, I'm so fascinated to hear, like, are you guys close with your parents as well. Yeah. I want to, I'm so fascinated to hear, like, are you guys close with your parents? I am. I mean, I,

we're on good terms. I, I, I do better about like reaching out to them. I, I did call them yesterday while I was reading your book just to be like, I should, I did.

It did like, well, I feel like, I feel like Matt and I have been in a lot of like parent content recently and like we like we we we like saw everything everywhere all at once yes haven't seen dying absolutely amazing so incredible and i told my parents about it too because i think that they i think that they'll like really really enjoy i think almost for that reason too but you know i i identify as being close with my parents but it still is that thing where my dad did send me a text and he was like i really want your mom to come out and see you

soon and i was like trying to find a time in my schedule that would be good and i was just like it's crazy to have to do this for your mother like like drop everything you know what i mean and then in reading the book just like hearing the blood sweat and tears that goes into motherhood i'm just like it really it not it doesn't put you as a child in a state of guilt, but it puts you in a, it gives you like a real understanding of the fact that like this person like survived

so you could live. Survived so you could live. Wait, I also just want to stop and say I'm so impressed that your dad is sending texts. I think that's Oh,

he'd be on Instagram too. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, my dad, well,

my dad's pretty old. He's 81 or 82 no but yeah and my mom is i taught my mom how to send text she can do it my dad doesn't i don't think i use cell phone anyway so i'm impressed but you guys are also younger younger parents the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us?

I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it

on City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst,

a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against,

legends from the past, and we're just going to sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Grunks? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dudes. We got dogs. Dogs.

We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.

At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wait, can I say the ear infection thing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go, go. Because this is important. If you're getting on the, I feel like, actually, I think when I was promoting my last book, I had to fly, and I had a terrible cold. I didn't have an ear infection,

but I was like very congested. And I, but I was like, I've flown with a cold before. It's no big deal. Okay. I didn't want to scare you. Then as we were started to,

um, what descend, not decline. I did start to decline. As you started to descend, I, for the first time in my life, I felt like a pain in my ear.

Like someone was, I don't know. Go ahead. Lay it on me. Like a screwdriver was going to my ear. And I honestly started to panic that like my brain might explode. I was like, I made a terrible mistake. You're not supposed to fly with like this level of a sinus, whatever I had. And then I was in pain for hours after.

And it's crazy because I'm supposed to see Pam Anderson in Chicago right after I get off the plane. So I got to figure this out. This is what my doctor told me to do. And I did it on the way back and it helped. Take an incredibly strong decongestant like an hour before. Like an Advil cold and sinus, the one they keep behind the register because people can make meth out of it. The one you need like your passport to buy. Yeah, the one you need your passport.

You need your new driver's ID. Social security card. Exactly. Letter of recommendation. Anyway, I just didn't want to let you go without telling you that. I think that's what you need to do. Because I want you to have a great time and watch what happens live and I'm so excited for you that you're going on. I mean, listen. And that is... See, you can't stop parenting. And I know you think of me as your baby for you that you're going on i mean listen and that is and that

see you can't stop parenting and i know you think of me as your baby i yeah you're my baby i mean not as much as the baby is you know jennifer lewis calling calling all of us babies which made me so incredibly happy but um the babies did you know that my nickname for i for a second i didn't know she knew my name because i was only exclusively referred to as the baby like now are we on my coverage or is it the baby and where is the baby coming in now the baby and the baby standing over here oh my god you were the baby pretty much the whole time but like also aiden's the baby but she most of her scenes were with you so yeah it was calling you the baby was so incredibly sweet. I love that. So incredibly sweet. That's nice. Even at,

even in his thirties. Still, you know, I got that baby face though. It's a, it's actually a real culture. Number 15. You could be a baby in the thirties.

You can be a baby. Fully believe. I've worked it on set. Endorse. Um, speaking of, uh, are you excited for it to come out?

Oh my God. We got to talk talk about it let's talk about it i was just on like a hour-long marketing meeting where like it's so crazy um i also just need to say the world is gonna lose their freaking mind seeing Matt Rogers in this show. I can't. He is so... I mean, everyone is amazing, but I'm just going to say, Matt, I truly... I'm not blowing smoke. I very easily could have dodged out of this.

But I'm so happy to say, like, I just... You're just like a... Like a... Well, I wanted... I was about to say a word, and then I realized it makes me sound like a... Like a New York Times critic,

but you're incandescent. Incandescent. Lit from within. I remember when Claire Danes first came on the scene, I was still reading Premier Magazine and someone was talking about her and my so-called life and she's lit from within.

Lit from within. There's nothing better you could say about a person. Lit from within is title of that say about a person lit from within is title no but honestly you know when some whenever i say someone carries the light that's the highest the highest um the highest compliment i can give but it's a great i mean i i just i can't stop talking about it but like um you guys did such an incredible job writing the show and um you know obviously it came together really great but i just i you're you're very very very very good at what you do both on the page and on the laptop which becomes a teleplay a teleplay a tele a teleo play which is a page which is on a page on a screen yeah on a page i um that's so nice to hear i am i still feel like

uh just in the rule of culture that you can still be a baby in your 30s i'm in my 40s still feel like don't look like a baby feel like a baby but yet they have you running a show i don't i i have to say i did think um you know a lot during during production about, like, you know, you are kind of the production mom to some degree, you know, mom boss or whatever. And, I mean, I love doing this show. And, I mean, everyone made it such a pleasure. And the crew is so lovely. They were great.

It was such a sweet pea group of humans. And then how lucky am i to be working with just this cast of people and there are just so many days though where i just still feel a real emotional disconnect with like i can't believe like i you know i'm in charge like yeah yeah that is it is a crazy feeling like what because because you've earned it but but convincing yourself you've earned it is crazy it well it's less honestly even the well i mean obviously i don't believe i've earned anything but um the earning aside also as i'm like looking i'm like half my gel

no it's really unappealing nail situation. Your nails. They look amazing. It's amazing. Just started peeling them off. But, um, I remember the first, uh, like the first few weeks when I was doing inside Amy Schumer with Amy and

our amazing work husband, Dan Powell, who's the other EP in that show. It was the first time. And I wasn't the showrunner of the show. Dan was the showrunner, but it was the first time and i wasn't the showrunner of the show dan was the showrunner but i was the head writer and another ep so it was like me and amy and dan were in charge of the show and um i had never been in charge of the show before and there was some

moment where like some like a network or a question came up but like had to be answered or solved and it was like oh we should figure that out and And it was like, Oh, we should figure that out. And then it was like, where's mom, where's mommy and daddy. And then we were all like, where mommy and daddy. And that was like,

where are the fucking mommy and daddy. And it was a really, really surreal moment. And the parallels, not to whatever, but like the parallels with parenthood are pretty intense where you're just like, I never,

I maybe, I, I don't know if everyone feels this way. I think I, maybe I'm just very in touch with my inner little baby who doesn't like know anything, but I, it's just always a strange feeling.

I don't know if you guys, I mean, I would imagine you guys both feel that, or maybe you, maybe you don't, but sometimes feeling like you're both just such high achievers and doing such incredible things that just those moments where you're like, it's just a version of I can't believe I'm here. And then I'm supposed to know what I'm doing. Well, like parenting, I feel like it's old self versus new self.

And like the reconciliation feels so crazy. Like you're like, but those aren't the same people. Like I'm like work mommy but i was never but i was baby before yeah or i'm mommy but i was baby before yeah it's a version of like i'm an adult like there's being an adult and then i guess being a parent is like sort of super adult so really it's all just like truly in any capacity even before i became a parent any moment anytime i have to fill out a form i feel like what am i doing how am i filling out a fucking form but like anytime i'm dealing

with any kind of insurance i'm like this isn't for me yep that's the thing i think i'm the most baby about too and i just want to change insurance oh forget it no i was gonna ask you guys what are you what are you the most baby about in your life because i'm identifying with that i just had to switch my insurance from wga to sag and it was like no learning to walk no i can't do it i i all of it me phone what is it for you little tasks um i i would say it's in sure i mean i i have my like new insurance card just on my table. I, I'm so scared to touch it. I don't, I don't, I can't even touch it.

Like it's like electric or something. And then I just wanted to say that, like, it's so interesting hearing you say this and it's refreshing because I, because I think at least people in our circles have like really like poo pooed on like the term adulting or the discourse around hashtag adulting it's a terrible word it's terrible it's so reductive but it does like it is like an index it's a name for something that like i think we that is very normal for

people our age to feel yeah we're in terms of like oh okay like i i have to like acclimate myself to like this new reality which like is a very like complex thing and of course it's stupid to reduce it to a word like adulting but i feel like people i don't know i don't know if you if you guys feel this way but i feel like people are afraid to talk about their adulting moments because the term has so much bad has so much like bad energy around it yeah yeah no i know totally well i feel like it's sort of like what i was saying before i can't believe people aren't talking about it more but it feels like when you open the door to talking about it people are so relieved to talk about it because i'm like and again i'm i'm 46 i i really still i mean i'm exceptionally bad at all of those things like but like anything money bank

credit cards like i i just um and i was i i can give myself like i guess a tiny bit of grace although i think it's expired now because i i never was really taught how to do those things for whatever reason did not do what it needed to do i'm sorry like the way that they taught us i went to new york city public school we didn't have home ec right at the long island public school i went to we had we had to take home ec and i don't Bowen, did you take home ec? I did not take it. No, I should have. So you think that as a result of me taking home ec,

I would know for sure by the time I got to college how to do like laundry? No. I did not do laundry. It would be positive that by the time I had my own apartment, I had boiled pasta for certain. No. You would think I knew the difference between a credit card and a debit card because because it's such a simple difference the answer is no no mech taught

you how to cross stitch and heat and and like heat an oven maybe that's it matt did your school have like the the robot baby, basically? Like they would give you the baby? Yeah. The baby, which by the way, has none of the complexities of a real baby. Okay. The babies don't get like, you know, colicky for no reason. The baby, there's always an answer. Jesse, do you know what we're talking about?

Wait, is this, I'm about to be really sad. Is this the version? Because is this where you were like trying, you're taught how to like take care of something and have to take care of it? Yes. So they gave you a baby that was like basically like it had like a random timer on like they would program this like doll basically to like cry

at insane hours. Wait, can I just blow your mind? I'm so sorry to interrupt. But this is such a this is such a like I'm more than 10 years older than you. When I was a kid, we all had to do this, but we were given a fucking egg. It was just an egg.

It was just an egg. It wasn't a robot doll. It was like, here's this egg and don't break the egg for like two weeks. We all broke the egg. I mean, I'm pretty sure we all broke the egg. And then it's such a, you replaced it with another egg. I mean, what are we we all broke the egg and then it's such a you replaced it with another egg I mean what are we doing

they gave us a full on baby and the thing is like the baby would as Bella was saying they only gave it to home ec people they only gave it to home ec people at my school so we had the baby I remember I took but you get the baby for like 24 hours because I think that

they were dealing with parents that were like, don't give my kid this baby. You know what I mean? Like I understand he needs to learn about making choices, but I made my choices. Thank you very much. And I had my child when I was damn good and ready and I don't need this strange robot baby coming in and absolutely screaming on a timer.

Like the baby's getting tossed. so so basically yes every five six hours the the baby needs to eat and then it goes to bed and then maybe it makes up wakes up once but it's not a baby and so careful carries none of the danger of real baby and you are never going to invest in that baby the stakes couldn't be lower and what are you supposed to do when the alarm would go off what like what do you just have to put the bottle on its mouth it was like a battery bottle so it's like registering whether you took care of it or not yeah and you didn't have to go out and buy a new formula you didn't have you certainly i'm sorry but the car seat thing in the book jesse goes into the mechanics of putting a car seat and it's one of those things like potty training where can't possibly be thinking about it when you're deciding

to have a child but the car seat may scare one away the car seat i will say um and again this is where like i i felt a little bit like am i just such a fucking terrible piece of shit human being that I, I like hate this so much. And like so many days chose to stay at home rather than to try to put my kid in the car seat. Because there were just so many days where like many versions of him hating it, many versions of me hitting it, like him hysterically crying like to drive a car while a human being is just screaming behind you um is so nerve-wracking it's it's like very little

is worth it because also when you're taking kids somewhere i'm like what are we going to miss out on the rubber room and we're going to let's fucking stay at home and at least i can drink here but um and i'm not gonna and i'm not gonna drink a trip obviously yes of course of course our our producer becca says i had to do the fake baby in middle school and i got stares in marshalls because people thought i was actually a teen mom which is also something you're inviting because a lot of these kids after school hit up the marshalls like you do and they have to bring their damn fake baby with them. And then, you know, mothers everywhere,

they're just, they're looking at that teen child and they're thinking, who's her mother? And then it goes back to your mother. Because of course she's claimed. Don't send mixed messages. We want these kids to not be babysitting babies. Don't give a bait. It's like, you should not be taking it. I mean, is that, I guess

the point? I don't know. Are you supposed to be good at it or bad at it yeah what if everyone everyone in school was like we decided we loved it yeah you know what i'm gonna go get knocked in um i have one i was just remembering there was one just in the world of like other sorry adult thing a truly embarrassing memory just came back to me of being in college like my first few months in college and my dad had like opened like a checking account for me to have because i was now an adult and i was gonna have a job yes at the school to pay for my tuition and i was my i was a shelver in our library and so my check i got a check every two weeks for truly it was probably about like four dollars but i was like i've got to go

my check i got gotta go but so i got this little check and i was so stupid and didn't know anything about anything how to deposit the check yeah i took the check and i just was like i have a bank account and this is a check and there was one bank off campus and i just walked into it and i was like here's my check and they were like who are you i have an account don't i and then they're like you don't have an account here and i was like oh but this is not the bank yes i am here for my father's bank and it wasn't i didn't know i just they were like you don't have an account at this bank there's different banks oh no i i was just so like truly just got taken back to how embarrassed like the person was like you're so fucking stupid stupid yeah and i just you know but i really do feel like i mean

she'll feel this stuff all the time yeah how bad i am doing it i don't know though like i think i like that you're very honest in the book about how like you know human beings like i think this i think you were talking about like um either it was like the like underbirth sandwich or something about like you know like human beings are like evolved to raise children um in a village like you have like everyone's supposed to hand down this knowledge to you and like i mean with with the check situation like no one handed down the knowledge to you that you were supposed to like go to your branch of a specific bank but um i i like that i like that i like that there's um

something so like concrete about like yes like it makes total sense to have other people helping you raise your child. And like, I feel like childcare is when I think about, for some reason, I think about my nieces going to daycare and I think about the, the people working in that daycare and I start to like cry. I'm like,

they have the hardest fucking jobs in the world. Yeah. Yes. And yeah. Doing any of this. Wait, how old are your nieces? Um,

they just turned four and two. They're gorgeous and stunning. And I think they're going to be like, they might become nightmare models. No, they won't. No, they won't. Because they're so beautiful that you almost can't be that beautiful

without having at least monstrous tendencies, but they have the best parents and that's good, but it may not matter when you're that stunned. We'll see. It's nice to have the option. But they also have their incredible uncle who will ground them. I don't know about that.

Bone is going to be buying them garments. This is something that like my sister is like so like adamant about like she doesn't want to hire help and i respect that to an extent and i'm putting my sister on blast she listens to the podcast she knows i'm saying this oh my god let's talk to you i'm happy to talk to your sister right now okay great please because yang i love you so much and we've talked about this and this might be like not cool to like make this public, but she, she,

she doesn't want help. Yeah. I have a lot to say. And, and, and that's okay. And that's, and that's so like,

that's amazing. Um, but I think she has this connection to like the way our mother raised us, which was no help. She was working these insane jobs to support us. Didn't speak the language that well when she was raising us like you know my mom is just an an incredible mother um a perfect angel two perfect perfect angels and i know and i know that this is coming from a place of like her wanting to honor

what our mother did but i think in the year 2022 it, it's just like, it's crazy. It's crazy. So my mom, you know, I have two siblings, there's three kids. My mom also had no help. There was never any help. My dad worked two, sometimes three jobs. My mom worked a little bit for a while, wasn't working when we were very young just because there was no help so you someone has to legally be home and then she was a teacher so she would go teach she was teaching at her school and then it would come home we were shitty little kids we didn't help her at all we're a little fucker but the same thing like they never had any help i think my parents had like one babysitter come one time and truly like a decade they just nothing so i under and i

when i was gonna have a baby i was like well i'm not gonna have help but right i'm gonna get this cross because i'm gonna nail myself to it i'm going to fucking honor what my parents did honor what my mom did and then real quick yeah was like fuck that noise and it's a huge privilege yes to be able to have help and my parents don't have the privilege i i don't know if they would have had help whether or not they did but it wasn't a choice and it's so much privilege to have that option but if you have the option i will just say i can't emphasize enough how much she should take it yeah just because i remember trying to remember who was who said this to me but it's like what are you trying to win there's no it's not winning anything it's not it's not taking away anything

it's not like giving anyone a medal it's just we are meant to we are truly meant to have more help than we have and that was an interesting part of the book i think which contextualized this a little bit which i thought was so interesting which is that the doctor that you spoke to or who was it tani song be my ob-gyn yes your ob-gyn the best doctor in new york yes she i mean what this advice was like so clear to me once i read it but it was you know we were designed our bodies or at least the woman's body was designed to like bear children at like 15 years old you know as a result of just how we've evolved and back then there would be more help because there were villages of people.

And there were literally parents that were still young enough to participate in the rearing of a child. And now our society is just simply not set up for that. And so to say, I'm not going to have help is actually sort of against naturally what we crave. We are descended from Gilmore Girls. Everyone was supposed to be Gilmore Girls. It was always supposed to be like year 14 and your mom's like 26 at best. It's actually number 50. We are descended from Gilmore Girls.

But it would be like Gilmore Girls would be in the house living with like 10 other people. 10 other Gilmore Girls. It would be like Gilmore Girls. It was Gilmore Girls all the way back. yeah yeah it would be like it was gilmore girls all the way back oh my god so much talking your great grandmother would be like 56 yeah yeah capable people all over the place i was what's called a geriatric mother because i was pregnant when i was 39 and that's considered geriatric yes like 34 is right i think like starting at 38 you're like

a geriatric pregnancy but anyway medicine but um i my parent and my parents you know i i have an older brother who's four years old anyway my parents were old like i was old and so they were old and they were nearby but like they weren't going to be able to really help yeah you know what i mean so yeah that's the thing it's just we are we are this idea of like this nuclear family where like yeah that's how you're supposed to do on your own is really it's really fucked i just want to disclaim uh to my sister that this is not we're not being prescriptive necessarily this is just i would never dare tell her how to parent a child especially being a fucking childless homosexual um but like i just i i heard me and my brother-in-law agree on this

that like help would be like- That's powerful. That's powerful. But like- Because he's a force of personality. He is. He is. But I think, I think my mom also kind of agrees too. That like,

anyway, we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not like pressuring her into doing this. I just think, and she is like, and she's going through huge positive changes in her life right

now in terms of her career and all this stuff and she's going to have time to like really pursue things that she wants to do going forward which I'm so happy for her about but I think even then like give yourself some latitude to like I don't know

like cater to your own needs while she of course is the best mom in the world to these girls anyway that's not i'm telling you it will be because of her if they're not nightmare models because of how gorgeous they simply are i mean like i see pictures of them and i sort of have to take another breath oh wow that's like an extra breath like anyway they're they're wonderful i'm i'm glad you said that because the number one thing for me is also and and i know i came in really hot about getting help and as a mother no no you weren't you weren't no no no but it is really important that like

the most important thing to me is like to each their own and like everyone needs to like find their path and like no judgments about like mothers who are staying at home without help no judgments about 100 no judgments but all i will say is if anyone i do think there are a lot of mothers and if anyone is listening if one of them is your sister maybe one of them isn't your sister but if there's like a little i do feel like there's a lot of mothers who would deep down would like some help i feel guilty about that right and in those situations i just think people should permit permits i understand the guilt but permit permit the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends.

How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a

mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the

we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.

And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. We would desire to ask you the question, wouldn't you say, Beau? I would say so. I would say so i would say so question is that jesse we want to ask you what is the culture that made you say culture is for me to understand the question i mean well i have a couple it's how should i lean into the answer that we were talking about hard hard and raw zero protection no masks no masks i i love this i love the chapter in your first book uh it was

about like how you became a comedian yeah and i think you like it was like kind of sectioned off it was like first it was like you know joan rivers or it was brad turmark so it was like like it could be that and i'm not i'm not prescribing you the end no i feel so no absolutely just like swimming and whatever it can be it can be it can be anything i mean for some reason i had in my mind to talk about like um dirty seeing the movie dirty dancing speak on this speak on um i feel like just as like a little little jewish young nerdy flat-chested virginal little hoe just virgining around my little self like that movie did loom extremely large when i first saw it and it was not in the theater because i wasn't cool enough to have friends to go to the theater with but we did i think like after i don't know saw it on vhs so the when i finally did make friends so i was about like 12 that's around vhs with friends

yeah i can't remember can't remember yeah but i just remember i was like it unlocked it unlocked a lot yeah it unlocked a lot i was like oh like there here's a movie that's like not about like the blonde other human like i was just like the pov is this girl with like a big great nose and her little kids walking across the log she's gonna like be in the Catskills and it's gonna get like reamed by Patrick's baby and she's gonna get picked up and tossed around and she's gonna get picked up and tossed around I mean when those reels I mean I know we've all seen them probably a million times but like i've seen a rehearsal the rehearsal sessions yeah for dirty dancing that like started to go around where you like see them like see jennifer gray and patrick swayze like practicing and like she is giving you like

but um i was like oh like first of all it was like one of the first times i felt like just truly a hundred percent horny yeah it was like and just like i think a little bit yeah just like the pov of it i was like and it was such a huge movie i don't know i just was like maybe i could be a little horny yeah and also a girl chewing around with patrick swayze and like i don't know it just was like maybe there's hope for me story-wise sex-wise yes absolutely and there is something to as well this set this sound will i there's just something to it you know it's like that like that like deep man's voice just being like i'm coming to fuck you you know what i mean like and and then the response of and i'm just like yeah you got fucked I'm just saying there's something about that song it to

me is is it an Oscar winner I know it was nominated I feel certain it's not it actually it won the Academy Award for best original song and that's yes original song

but I will also say some other notes that still like ring on full horn for me and I'm sorry to say it but like the moment just like dun dun dun dun dun dun cause that's what's playing when he reams her on that futon 100%

don't you feel like crying and she's like I'm worried that I'll never feel the I feel like right now I'm doing like a truly terrible one-woman show. But yeah, all of that stuff. That was just like very, very, very. Horny sounds. Very horny.

Horny making sounds. My voice just like cracked. I was like. You went from virgin hoe to. Hoe. To just a hoe. To just a hoe. Well, not for many years later.

Not until many years later. But the fire was lit from within. The fire was lit. I think it was a fire that probably got lit by Dennis Quaid in The Big Easy. If that is something you guys have ever seen. If you haven't, I recommend.

I recommend. I'll put that one on the list. Dennis Quaidaid there was a there was a period of time there where yeah he really sexually worked for me dad i mean that's what dad is yeah you know what i mean no i know you mean i mean i i've always liked like a very big nose and like he had like such a gigantic nose and you know what they say yeah big cock anyway big huge so everyone for everyone at home the readers what they say is that if you have a big nose you got a big cock huge cock um i had my little teen teenage teenage

girl wall was like covered in like pictures i cut out of magazines um of like dennis quaid yeah it was like dennis quaid and harrison. Yeah, guys who could swing an axe, of course. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so that was big. I mourn for these children who don't have the collage on the wall. Not that I ever did, but like, it's such a- But do people, no one has a collage on the wall anymore.

I don't think a lot of them do. I think they have like- No. They have cork boards and shit where they like- Cork boards. But there's nothing, like the aesthetic of cutting out a page yeah cutting around a celebrity and just scotch taping it to your wall directly is like unbeatable yeah i mean that's a really i will say well yeah because there's no magazines

anymore but i had like got all these magazines and i just i mean just a picture like i mean talking about thinking about your parents pov now in a way that like you did like i mean just a picture like i mean talk about thinking about your parents pov now in a way that like you didn't like i was just in my very we also were in a very small apartment because we're in new york city so it's not like there was any privacy or like they would have not known what was going on in my room but like to just see their little nerdling slowly putting up this like horny wall of men like one by one over months it's like oh it's so sad to just slowly realize like she's just making a jerk she's making a jerk being this age and like on remembering vividly how horny you were at that age like now thinking that we ever thought we could get it past them like it's unbelievable how horny you were at that age. Like now thinking that we ever thought we could get it past them.

It's unbelievable how horny children are and what it must be to watch that happen under your own roof. It's under your own roof. And just, yeah. And also that it was just like happening in slow motion, like every day, like just another man. And they're like,

then they get to assess your taste they're assessing my taste they're like seeing and i really can't stress enough like how awkward i was so it's not like clearly our like sort of like blossoming young daughter is like still just sort of look like i don't i can't even i mean just so many braces and glasses but then like pulsing with sensuality wanting to get boned by these men and then and my parents also having the decency and sweetness to never mention it never talk about what was going up on the wall did did they ever ask you about jacking off bow did they ever make an issue of it did they ever find anything um i'm positive that my mom would just sort of like see like like a stain on something and just not think anything

of it and just not ask questions um no i'm and i'm actually very grateful that they never brought it up what about you there was a time where i mean i was just like abjectly caught like my mom my mom like found cum on something nightmare and she i heard nightmare she and she goes i don't know what this is but you need to talk to your father about it and i was like it's nothing oh my god actually no i vividly remember what it was i was like i fell asleep i took i took a nap and i drooled i literally said that and then i literally like showed her like, see, look,

putting my head down on the pillow, like next to the cum. And I was like, see, it was drool. And my mother looked at me and she was like, you need to talk to your father about this. And I was like,

did she have brothers? Did Katrina have brothers? She had one older brother, but she was not ready to deal with it. Like like and so basically i heard them talk in the next room and my mom goes to my dad this is the conversation i swear to god and i couldn't make it up my mom goes did you ever do that and my dad said no and my mother and i remember i felt i'm sitting there i'm listening to it and i'm feeling so betrayed by my father because i'm like you motherfucker of course you've done this i was

like stick up for me and then i remember my mother was like you need to talk to him about it i can't and he came in like 15 minutes later and he was like you just have to be a little bit more careful and what's happening is completely natural it's fine but you just have to be a little bit more careful and what's happening is completely natural it's fine but you just have to be more you just have to be more careful and that was period all he said so then you internalize pretty good pretty good 20 years later you're screaming at this old man about bernie sanders and you need to be more careful with that privilege this man saved your fucking life. I literally, but I vividly remember the moment I had been caught maturing.

Caught maturing? Caught maturing. I mean, yeah, I know this is, no pun intended, this is coming for me one day. Has he shown any little signs of horniness? I'm really even sorry for bringing him up. No, well, no, no, no. He's six, so no. But I mean, little kids do. um has he shown any little signs of horniness i'm really even sorry for bringing him no well no no he's sick so no but i mean little kids do but i will say this all little kids especially i think generally like i know and also like my friends who have daughters same thing like around

five six like they are just like touching their genitals all the time all the time but like and also they don't know so they're just doing it in front of people and like all the time all the time it is so funny when you just see kids hump they're just publicly just touching themselves because they don't know and they're totally innocent and they're not you know it's not sexual but maybe it is like it just sort of feels nice or it's comforting or it's like but you it iconically feels nice it feels really nice it feels nice but i have had moments with my son where you don't want to shame that especially truly because it's like it's nothing but they get to Asia where you're like, you kind of got stuff in your front. But like, there are

times where like my son and I are like watching TV together. We're watching Dinosaur Train. A great show. Truly a shout out. And he starts to touch himself? It's more like, just like a guy. It's almost more just like a man.

It's like Al Bundy. It's like hand and pants yeah it's like hand and pants and that's another moment where i'm just like what is this life like again what is this life just sitting here watching someone discover their dick just watching me jesse klein i am sitting on a couch watching a show called Dinosaur Train with this young kid who's got his hand in his pants like Al Bundy. Again, I'm like, I used to just meet people and drink and blow guys. I don't know why that's always where my mind goes.

It's just the other identity. It's the other person. I totally get where your mind is going there. Because Matt, wouldn't you agree when you're blowing someone, like it's it's it is just like it's a cathecting moment where you go this is who i i'm a this is the real me yeah it's so interesting um i was also just like thinking the whole time what word did you just use okay cathexis which is i think um is this when you are like so when you like form this

like psychic like association bond with something that you are defined by it i'm butchering it but it's like a freudian term let me look at this and it often comes in the heat of a moment the concentration of mental energy on one particular person idea or object especially to an unhealthy degree yeah well you think like i i actually only exist for this right now um and those are the moments where and that's actually and that actually i think is what's addictive and gets people sometimes doing bad things is because when they're really really detached in their everyday life from what brings them this catechis to blow jobs yeah to blow jobs or really to perform whatever type of oral sex is your sex um but the thing is it's very um interesting to think about that in that context while you were talking i couldn't stop thinking about when i got pubes

and that's going to be a whole other thing when i got when i i got pubes and that's gonna be a whole other thing when i got when i first got pubes that was like i think it's like when you first get pubes and when you first realize your boner connects to wanting to fuck those are two moments it's like that's when you that is what puberty really is i mean that's the when you can connect those two thoughts and really do the mental math in your brain, that's when you realize you are, you know, grown. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's funny because I too have like a very vivid, it's like, just like the, like a vivid little shard of a memory.

I remember the first pube. Yeah. I just remember being, why are we talking about this? Whatever. Let's not stop. Dirty dancing. Dirty dancing, being in the bath and like just chilling. just remember being why are we talking about this whatever let's not start dancing dancing being in the bath and like just chilling like this is not going i wasn't mastering it was more

just like singing about truly i think probably like being a book just being reading i was just being in the bookish i think i was reading and i and then i just was like um i'm just gonna look down and then saw there was like god i'm going to look down and then I saw there was like god I'm so crazy to be having these memories while we're having these conversations I've thought about this forever but I remember seeing like oh there's like little bubbles

little like bubbles like attached down there to like what are they attaching to? I've never seen that before and they were like on like little hairs what? that's a new thing and then i just was like better keep reading this book i don't want to think about this at all yeah i have to get out of here back to kafka this this literally though jesse is kafka when you discovered you had it might have been it was a very intellectual home this literally though

not to make this clunky connection but this is why I do love Big Mouth is because it mines the most specific like hard comedy out of these things and it's like it actually reminds me of the specificity with which you write

in the book too because it's like the comedy it reminds me of the specificity with which you write in the book too because it's like some the comedy in that show is so specific and so vivid and so blown out and obviously because it's animated they can do that that's what makes it a like classic to me and we're sitting here so engrossed in this conversation because it is you do get the opportunity to be so specific about it which is why it's so funny yeah i mean they're so incredible and like the the writers on that show and nick and everybody mark and jen nick is unreal he is unreal unreal human being i i don't he a full unicorn of a man just like a a white horn and a bristly tail and you know we all see in our mind's eye what kind of unicorn just a strong strong unicorn

but he um galloping um i mean that was the other well but no he the the stuff that they that they excavate about puberty is so yeah it's so deep and they're like almost every time i get one of those scripts there's something in there i'm like oh fucking fuck yeah i haven't thought about that like the stuff they did with like jesse getting her period and yeah they've gone like more about like tampons and we're just like it's so real and small but so emotionally huge yeah are you gonna this is this is an annoying question and i'm sure you've been asked this a million times is this gonna be like teachable to asher when he is like that age or is that going to be like something you show him big mouth yeah well you know it's so funny because i have some like a couple of friends might have kids who are older

like they're like 13 actually a old friend of mine who i met when we were in fifth grade and now it kills me because her son is now the age, like when there's no moment, he was the age we met. But she told me that they watch big mouth together. A lot of parents watch it with their kids. And now I have to say, it makes me so happy because I do think it's like such a positive, incredible show.

And like could bridge so many conversations for parents to have but at the same time i think about like sitting with my mom or dad oh my god like looking at anything like the tiniest smooch happening on tv and i would have to like go get in a car and drive to another state i couldn't i couldn't sit next to them and look at anything so i don't quite know how that's yeah no that's it's kind of a crazy thing to think about um you know like hearing mommy's voice someone with mommy's voice having a period you know like like i don't know oh my god i you know that's crazy until you just said that i honestly hadn't even thought about i was like oh well i watched this show with him like the way my friends watch it and i'm like oh

i'm in it you're in and your name her name is jesse and her name is jesse and there's some stuff coming up that i'm remembering oh boy i really haven't even thought about that bone forget it forget i asked you know what it's funny i feel like though there is a certain time where you understand your parents sense of humor and then it's okay because you can both you can all accept it as like a comedic program like i remember i don't know like i there was my dad was always like i think okay with me watching certain things with him and my mother was the one that was like richie and i would have to get sent out of the room like aust, Austin Powers, I think my dad would have loved to sit and watch with me. But my mother was, I would categorize her as freaking out during the whole thing.

Like, you know, I don't know. I don't know about this. You know, this is too much. And she just wouldn't stop. And in an effort to get her to stop so he could enjoy it he was like yeah go get out but one time during the day he took me to Nutty Professor and I think I did have to ask some questions about

about things after that and that's I guess just the risk you run when you invite the child in on Big Mouth Richie you know my dad was put like I said he was working many many many hours many hours. And so, I don't know what circumstances could have possibly led to him being in charge of me and

my best friend at the time when we were nine years old. Somehow, it must have been a day off from school. I truly think my mom must have maybe had a surgery. Like, it's just something she must have truly been recovering from an anesthesia with my dad god bless me it was like the one the one time it was like somehow he was in charge of me and my best friend we're nine years old like what is he gonna do with us for the day and he took us he took we're nine he took us to see Amadeus if you've ever seen the movie there's tits everywhere

it's so I mean that is my main memory it was like so much heaving tit there's mania and insanity murder murder it's like I took my son to blue is the warmest color.

I really think in his mind, he was like, I'm going to take them to see a movie about Mozart. Like he just didn't in fairness, as I like to say in fairness, there's no internet. Maybe he just was like, it's a movie about classical music i mean me and my friend talk about like certain things like when you see something as a young person or a kid that you're like you're not supposed to have seen yet and you're a teenager or whatever and it that it gets burned in like things get burned in there and like i remember like amadeus like what burned in we were not okay for i think for people like like around matt and my age

like it was titanic was the thing right it was a conversation for sure it was like because she bared her breasts she was it was the breast and the car sex like the car sex my parents the hand fully covered my eyes and i remember car sex, my parents. Yeah, the hand. The hand. Fully covered my eyes. And I remember that so vividly. Oh, yeah. I remember the conversation. Because I remember that was when I start. Honestly, the culture that made me say culture was for me.

One thing that could really be in the running was the Titanic. Of course. Of frenzy. Of the frenzy. The thing of Titanic ando when it was like inescapable and i just remember because it was so inescapable my parents did have to have a sit-down discussion about whether or not they would let their child me see this movie and what the parameters were because i became so one track minded about titanic yeah you had that you had to see titanic but it's like you know

seven no wait what 1997 almost after his age and i was i was seven you were okay this is what i'm saying but you were seven and you were gonna see titanic yes but jesse imagine revisit again the monoculture if he was only talking about one thing. It was the only thing. It was the only thing? Wait, did you go see it? Absolutely. Like at least three times. I became like infatuated

with Kate Winslet in a way that I think. Oh, yeah. I remember I didn't know at the time, but I was standing. Oh, my gosh. You know what I mean? I was like...

I remember when I first saw Alicia Silverstone in Clueless, I didn't know at the time I was standing. Uh-huh. And then Rose, when she turned around in that hat. And then what about Kathy Bates?

I remember standing Kathy Bates the second I saw her. And what was the moment for you Unsinkable Molly Brown it was Molly Brown and I remember moving to Denver and I hated it but then we did a tour where like there was the Molly Brown house whatever it doesn't matter

I think it matters the most and you know it whatever it doesn't matter it doesn't matter no it does it fully matters but like okay is it just like blowing your mind that like Matt was Asher's age that we were Asher's age? Just to flashback

to what I was saying before, like, so Asher is going to be seven in June and we really only watch Dinosaur Train. Maybe you don't understand what Dinosaur Train is. It's a show about dinosaurs

taking a train through various parts of the dinosaur era. Honestly honestly that does sound fucking incredible um it's actually really well done but yeah i can't imagine him watching titanic but but it's interesting because he also now i do know he and i'm not like um i'm not trying to like shield him from stuff I will say like I find like a lot of shows that are made for kids are just so hyper and annoying and shitty yeah so I always wanted to like where it's like so violent and crazy

and like really just awful um but I do know like I remember I read an article a few years ago in the times about like someone like was so excited when their kid turned seven to take them, like to show them star Wars. And so I'm like,

I don't know. Maybe he's, maybe he's ready. Just Titanic feels a little Amadeus. Yeah. I guess it's mostly other than the hand on the car window and the boobs. You know what? The thing about it though,

is it's violence. And like, that's another thing is it's just like, there there there's gunfire there's that insane hundreds of people died die and honestly those are those are the images those are the images that i do remember from seeing it and like i i do sort of feel uh i have like i lurch when i think about like you know watching them wade through the dead bodies in the water and it's just it really was so I don't know about all that but the titties were just titties you know what I mean like and I continued to stand throughout I think I deeply

knew in my soul I wasn't attracted to her but I definitely thought she was glorious one of the best people I had an appreciation and just she like was a full movie star and i was so obsessed with her so i feel i would have been a nightmare had my parents not let me see that film and also of course in the back of your little gay mind there's leo i was about to say where's leo but this is what i'm saying to you is that that was definitely a part of it at seven. So just around the river bend. She takes the deepest breath out. Okay.

I think I was watching Seinfeld when I was seven. I was like, yeah, my parents didn't know what was on TV and they left me unsupervised to watch TV and I would just like turn on like whatever syndicated five o'clock like sitcom was on yep it wasn't a little sheltered asher might be a little no no i'm just but no we're just saying like like it's i don't know maybe matt and i are a little fucked up but like it's not i don't think it's because of those media you know i mean i was

gonna say to matt like what percentage of your personality do you think exists because you saw titanic when you were seven so much probably if i were to really think about it yeah a lot and also you know titanic for us was titanic for us was the mania around titanic then like the oscars being like must exactly that yeah exactly yeah and then p and then like and then the kids like i don't know gay boys are being obsessed with award shows like i think that that's an imprinting moment like it had to line up perfectly it hit every box because it was four quadrants it was literally learning to learning to stand an actress yeah it was you know matt and one of the goats and one of the goats who actually literally did become one of the goats and still has you know ardent, one of the goats and one of the goats who actually literally did become one of the goats and still has, you know,

ardent fans because of that imprint. Yeah. It was also Celine Dion. Yeah. It was pop music. It was diva worship. It was camp. It was budget.

And it was Oscars in a, in a, in a culture when one thing existed. So it just, of course, we're all all gonna have like a you know when a baby opens their first eyes and sees mommy thing with kate winslet and celine dion they're here forever that's so i mean the just thinking about i will i don't want your parents if they're listening or whatever to feel like i'm judging them for using titanic judge away no because as we're talking about i

am remembering just it was like there was just titanic yeah and it was like that was like a rule of culture like you just had to go see it like the minute you the minute you could for a full year and i actually remember seeing it at Union Square with my boyfriend at the time and it was the craziest thing because it was pack theater because Titanic

and right at the moment where Kate Winslet is on the iceberg we've been waiting to see this ship fucking sink and we're like everyone's like like waiting like i want to fucking see that boat go down she's on this thing she's blowing that whistle or whatever oh yes iconic in front of me one row in front of me someone projectile throws up on the person in front of them, like someone who had just been

guzzling it down or drinking and the whole theater screamed. It was so much. Oh my God. It was truly so insane. Were you laughing though in the moment?

I was laughing because I was behind because I wasn't the one getting thrown up on, But it was just, it was like everyone was having Titanic ruined. Also, that's like a moment where she's literally, everyone was experiencing her live. Yeah. And to have that moment.

Someone threw up at the Regal Union Theater or whatever the hell. Which has really seen it all. Oh my god. Oh my god. The things I've seen there. Talk about blowing guys. Talk about blowing. Oh my god. Good for you. No I don't know.

But also literally before we do I don't think so honey. There is something here. There is something here because also you as a person who is a parent and the story that i always bring up for this is bowen remembers anna dresden me and bowen went to go see 50 shades of gray on valentine's day the first day the first day it came out and we this is one of our favorite things that's ever happened sorry for your loss so no we actually were doing quite

well very enriching we so we're there and we're watching the film we're experiencing and absorbing 50 shades of gray and the audience was very bonded by like you know you know act two by like the end of act two like this was an audience that was willing to laugh at it there's an audience that was like kind of understood how campy and stupid and fun we were all there together like to see 50 shades of gray and have a fun time yes so then probably i'm gonna say at least five or six lashings have gone by you know what i mean like we've seen the girl participate in bdsm for certain and we hear from the back of the theater literally like if you could pick the sentence that a baby says they said it daddy i gotta go to the bathroom and when i tell you the entire theater had gas what the definition of a catharsis when we all realized that there

was a child who had seen what we had seen. Oh my God. And we all like held each other strangers. We got trialed with my dad. Strangers looked each other in the eye and knew that they were bonded for life. It was so crazy. The movie ended and we were sort of like debriefing about it. And I remember Anna said, yeah, but you know what though? Like maybe they didn't have help and they really wanted to see the movie.

And I thought to myself, you know what? There is a negotiation between, you know what? One for they didn't have help and they really wanted to see the movie and i thought to myself you know what there is a negotiation between you know what one for them one for you you have to survive too you need to consume media it's of course one of the food groups media is like a as important as a carb and so what are you gonna do like and deprive yourself and then i did say that and i was like yeah but probably not 50 shades of gray and we all agreed but you know what there's something to that like you gotta watch one not a professor talk about something getting burned in oh yeah burned in that's what i'm saying there's nothing as bonding as a crazy new york city movie theater moment like those moments especially like at a certain time

period but like the person throwing up a titanic was one where just everyone was like we have to survive like we must like the iceberg we must survive this together yeah yeah there was i remember when i went to go see the sex in the city movie like the first day it came out which i want to say was maybe a valentine's day situation i don't remember but that i mean just never forget basic basic basic path theater of ladies there is the moment like everyone's like there were balloons like it was so basic but we were all like we're basic and we're seeing this we love it and i'm whatever it's a great movie sorry but the first one moment the first one oh it's great oh the first oh god no not the one where they're in dubai yeah yeah

like offending everyone no the first we're talking first but but there was that moment there was a moment when carrie like reveals the closet that big like built for her and the apartment and the entire audience of new york city ladies goes down yeah there was like a an audible theater wide gas it's a great shot and then what did she say like hello lover yeah hello lover i live here yeah yeah yeah yeah oh no hello lover that's what it is yeah everyone's living in like a three roommate situation in murray hill i literally was talking i mean that's budget and that is important so get those budget get those budgets up everyone okay guys we need an escape we need escape into that closet. You're so dope. This fall on Bravo.

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I think it may be time. I don't think so, honey. Because we've sort of arrived at that point where we're so full that we have to unleash this energy. I certainly have had a certain culture dictate my life over the past several days. So I have an I don't think so, honey based in that.

Okay. This is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Antibiotic culture. Why do they do what they do to our buttholes?

It's fucking insane i've been on the antibiotic augmentin for several days what it has done to my digestive system is unforgivable unfathomable and unsavory i find myself bereft nothing is solid i don't understand why and i didn't do anything to even deserve my ear infection. That's another thing. I don't think so, honey, that I've fallen this type of malady because I've nary been in a pool, a lake, a pond. I've not been near anything.

I shower so responsibly, God. God, you're up there literally watching me shower. You know, you know I'm not asking for this. I keep my ear as clean as a whistle i don't think so honey that as a result of just the fates i have to be on these antibiotics poked prodded strapped please five seconds god if you're up there and you remember i didn't do anything deserve this have mercy on my butthole i'm shitting water and that's one minute oh my god oh my god augmentin augmentin and it's such a it doesn't it sounds

like a villain in a film i've been on it like we're all we're that we're teaming up to fight augmentin oh just drink so much water drink so much water drink so much water this too shall pass maybe that's you know it is all about water and it is all about also which you don't take as seriously at the time but really people should taking the antibiotics with food with food you must do this and i don't think i realized again hashtag adulting sorry now i don't think i realized antibiotics like were what they were yeah like when you're a kid and you get sick they just put you on antibiotics and then you live your life and your dream but i remember when i was in my 20s i was on put on like two different antibiotics too close together and my digestive system wasn't the same for like six or seven months oh my god i thought i was gluten

intolerant so like you got it i'm not even kidding they over prescribed me at the city md and i've done i don't think so Honey CityMD before. But, um... Did you go to ******? I absolutely did. I absolutely did. Because he loves to give you a shot in your butt. And I got a shot in my butt again

today of steroids, and when I tell you I'm on, let's say the planet Saturn, I really do mean it. Alright, we're going to offline about Dr. I just want to say Dr. Wanting to just being so like shot happy is concerning. I, if it works. He's there for you.

He's there for you when you need him. He really is. Okay, great, great, great. Only take the shot when like you have like chlamydia or something. Yeah, but girl, when I'm telling you. That's not how Dr. does it really burn yeah he kind of he kind of is more like like you know halloween how everyone gets candy he's more like that he's more like that he's more halloween great he's a halloween style doctor it's like a halloween doctor you're weird oh my goodness gracious okay well pray for me everyone um everyone this is

bowen yang's i don't think so honey now do you have something are you feeling very good i do i do i love that i love that okay so now here we go it's i didn't want to say it i am a boy it's now whenever i say i love that for you i feel like i'm like dropping some promo but it really is vernacular it It's vernacular. That's why it's called that. All right. Great. It's a perfect title.

This is your, I don't think so honey, your time starts now. I don't think so honey, gift shops, call them what they are. Candle stores. Okay.

There's nothing but candles and stationery. The options are limited. I went to two separate ones on my way to work to buy a gift for someone. The offerings were the same. It's either candles, cards, maybe like a quote unquote hard puzzle. Something that's marketed as a hard puzzle because it's like a monochrome puzzle where you can't really put it together so easily because the colors are all the same. We have to step it up. puzzle where you can't really put it together so easily because the colors are all the same.

We have to step it up. We're in a post Christmas candle SNL sketch world where buying a candle for someone is not okay anymore. I disagree with that. I love candles. I love candles. I don't like that there's this stigma on them now, but I also

don't like, on an equal note, how gift shops only sell one thing which is candles i don't care that it's different companies uh i just need something more you need to do more and that's one minute i will also submit wrapping paper which is interesting because at a place that sells wrapping paper you'd think there'd be more options of gift of gift yes but but the options are limited as my sister in my heart said can i also i mean i just want to check on i mean i don't have my own thing but when you open a tube of wrapping paper and it's it's multi it's like multiple individual sheets in that one long tube i'm like what are we playing what are we what are

we doing what are we playing why are you assuming the size and scale of my it's gaslighting why is this like stiffer harder paper like am i the queen of england here like also let's just big tube let's talk about this right now when it looks like it's a big tube and you find out it's mostly tube oh my you're playing with me you're playing with me and that's gas lighting yeah that's gas gas lighting and i'll say it even lower and in a whisper that's gas lighting and that and now now we have to like and the thing is too about about the stigma on candles there's nothing wrong with candles there's nothing wrong with candles. They bring joy to everyone. You can never have enough. A simple pleasure. A little self-care.

And everyone in the world has candles. And it's universal. It brings you together. It gets you together from the smell and the aura that it brings. And we're post irony with candles. Sorry. Thank you so much thank you because it is this like it you're so right matt it's it's it's like every there's like a carb and a meat dish

in every culture there isn't there is oil and wax and a flame in every single culture in the world that is a rule of culture number number 48 there is a oil there's oil and a wax candle and a flame flame in every culture around the world around the world there's hashtag hanukkah guys also i will come forth the wrap gift that i gave to the lovely pas and people people on I Love It For You? Candles. Each and every one. And each one was received not only with gratitude, but also with a conversation because the thing about candles is they all have a scent. And so it's not just talking about the candle.

You can also then engage about how much you love that scent. Here's ones that people always respond to. Cedar. Yes. Mimosa. Oh my God. And of course, forest fire. Of course.

All right. Diptyque bays. Diptyque bays. Diptyque bays. Diptyque dosan is always good too. I mean, I love to give people candles because I hate to- Buy them. To buy them to buy them they should only come as gifts yeah i mean i'm sorry i know we've been talking for five hours i'm not

gonna keep rolling on this this is a strong feeling strong feeling yeah all right so here is the deal it's jesse klein's i don't think so honey and this is a moment for you to sort of rail against something in culture for 60 seconds as we just have so are you ready to do so i mean i hope i can live up to this guy yes of course you will here we go this is jesse klein's i don't think so honey your time starts now i don't think so honey can we talk about jessica biel in this trailer for this who show candy an innocent jessie klein watching tv the other night and jess Jessica Biel is on playing this I guess real life axe murderer killer named Candy Montgomery

who killed her neighbor in 1980 and Jessica Biel is in a big curly perm wig and glasses and I'm like honey you still look like Jessica Biel you're still giving me just sitting next to justin timberlake

courtside at the lakers i don't care that you have on your perm wig i don't care that you have your warby parker aviator glasses no hate i'm sure you're great in it but this is a role i saw what it looked like in real life with love i mean she killed someone she's a four or five or six at best you're a ten leave this role to a juilliard grad who's a four or five is this role yeah don't i a lot of conversation in the culture right now about who can play what and i still don't believe in tens playing fives that's one minute i have to agree this is hugely important you know what i'm talking about of course I just see her in those glasses and that wig and I'm like let someone else shine

she killed someone she's a four four five six the implication that only the murderers are always four murderers are some of the ugliest people in the world Jessica Biel if you want I know I'm extending my

I don't think so, but just have someone write a screenplay for you where you play an axe murderer who was a 10. A real person. I know you want your Emmy

and your award and you want to do real acting but don't put on that wig and those glasses to be like a woman in Texas who killed someone. Yeah, 100%. Or at least find the hot one. You know what I mean? I never want to judge another woman's appearance, but I looked at the real Candy Montgomery

and I'm just saying it's not a Jessica Biel role. She's not unattractive. She's just a regular gal. You killed someone with an axe. I do want to look this person up. Candy Montgomery. She's just a regular gal. Yeah. Oh, she's pretty.

You know who's good at this, I feel? Who's good at this is Blake Lively. Blake Lively plays all different kinds of people, but she always makes sure they're looking good. I just think jessica bill is such a specific level of 10 are we gonna hear kiss me playing as you like take your glasses off i am seeing a side-by-side and it is really funny. The chasm. Let me look at it. Hold on. Wait. I'm sending you

this specific photo. Let me just put it in the chat. I'm sorry. It's a little bit of a Ricky's wig as well. Okay, wait. Can you click on that? I just put that in the chat. Hold on. Hold on. This is so funny

oh god it's just gonna be really gorgeous stunning this is incredible oh my god i won't be able to so many unemployed actors there's so many it's kind of like it's kind of like sarah paulson playing linda tripp you know what i mean it's kind of like Sarah Paulson playing Linda Tripp you know what I mean it's like I don't know we probably could have found

we probably could have found a Linda Tripp type we could have found I mean you know Charlize infamously did it

for that Oscar and it worked but she never did it again no which we respect which we it's like tens only i

don't know she can't do that no she was like your deal with a deal honey with a deal she's gonna be aileen that was not a really horny thing so horny wow brilliant oh my gosh well listen what the hell i feel like one of the best things that anyone could possibly do would be to pick up i'll show myself out which is out on april 26th which genuinely made me think and feel and laugh and i just feel like i'm better for reading it and it is going to make me reach out to my mother um and already has and call your moms and jesse you're like literally the best you guys are the best I cannot tell you how grateful

and honored truly I am to be on this and I'm going to watch Titanic tonight and show him show him he should see well if he can turn out like you oh guys thank you so much

you're the best thank you for coming on i love that for you is streaming on april 29th and you better remember that everyone yes um and yeah what do you say about and every episode i think we end every episode with the song time of my life and I never felt the spirit before yes I swear it's the truth and I owe it all to you now you have to beat the girl

oh wait I'm so horny we have to go we have to go bye yay I'm Cheryl Swoops and I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there.

Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.

And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules.

New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.

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