Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “In The Midnights Era” (w/ Jenifer Lewis)

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

A legend has arrived to Las Culturistas! Jenifer Lewis makes her triumphant appearance on the show to chat to Matt about her EVERYTHING - notes from Debbie Allen! Singing Amazing Grace in Icelandic caves with Marc Shaiman! Becoming Patricia in I Love That For You! Therapy! Dealing with scammers! Stories are told and culture history is made. Unfortunately Bowen was in his own Icelandic cave so he wasn't able to make the interview BUT of course he joins Matt for a quick intro / culture catch up about you know what! This episode has LAYERS. Get into it! And then of course get into Jenifer's book Walking In My Joy In These Streets which is OUT NOW! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In their midnight era. Now, you'll notice that my voice is a little shut. What's that? Oh, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. I said in their midnight era, but go ahead, explain your voice. Okay, well, before we talk about sort of the big pop culture news of the week, I have, you'll notice that the timbre of my voice is troublesome and I apologize. What is going on? Do you have nodules? Vocal nodules? I don't think so. I think

I'm coming back. I was sitting in the steam room here in Reykjavik, Iceland and I think it helped because sometimes in movies they ask you to scream a lot and then sometimes after you scream they have you run away as fast as you can more on that

later more on that in a year after you see this film but um it sometimes it's hard sometimes it's hard i have to tell you as someone who just um for an upcoming project that is yet to be announced had to use his voice a lot the vocals vocals are an instrument. It's actually rule of culture number 75. The vocals are an instrument. The vocals are an instrument. And you have to protect the gift. Now, speaking of a gift, someone who truly has a gift,

you said a certain queen of pop has a new song? Oh my God, yes. The queen of pop, as we all know, is Hailee Steinfeld. Oscar Nomi. Calabasas resident hayley and she has a new song called uh i believe it's coast with anderson pack and it's

stellar i came out like a month ago and i kind of like brushed it to the side i was like yeah sure i'll listen to it later like i'm i'm over here i'm a i'm a you know love myself girl like i love that era i'm a stanfeld i literally am such a stanfeld like i capital letters bitch the way i will play capital letters down it's an excellent song did you ever catch her song for the bumblebee movie called back to life a hundred percent that it's crazy that that did not make the great global songbook i don't think there has been someone with this big of an impact on music i don't think there's been such a queen of pop since rita aura yeah i was gonna say ava max well wait can we say ava max has a new song and it samples can't fight the

moonlight with leon rhymes and let me tell you something Max and Eastas are eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner, in the words of Colin Farrell's sex tape, with this one. The vocals are giving you everything you could desire from one of the girls. The production is top-notch. And the Max and Eastas, there is a sale at your favorite store. There really is. There's a sale at your favorite store. Oh, my God.

Where to work that in? Way to work the Lost Culture East as phrase into that. I mean, the word bop has been used. You know, I did not watch the VMAs. Did you watch them?

No, because I find them to be totally irrelevant. And then, then, and then, and then, all it takes is one person.

There could be 99 people at the VMAs. There could be 100 people in the room at the VMAs. And none of them make them irrelevant. Well, I was going to say that there seemed to be some effort in trying to make them iconic again this year. Like, a lot of the press leading up to it

was like, Nicki Minaj, and, you know, LL Cool J, and one other person we were co-hosting sorry to the third person I forget who it is but that was like there was a lot of like hype around like oh my god the VMAs could be iconic again a lot of recap throwback videos of like what was your favorite

like iconic VMA moments and the red carpets were I think great this was a good red carpet I would say I would agree from what I've seen was good. Also, anytime there is an iconic same-sex kiss on the VMAs, you know it's going to garner headlines. Congrats to Bad Bunny for wearing our culture as a costume. But I would say probably the most iconic moment outside of Dove Cameron winning Best New Artist had to be when Taylor Swift, in an acceptance speech for Video of the Year, which was well-earned for All Too Well,

turned her damn face to the crowd and announced her new album. And And then Bowen, Yang, we were thrust headfirst into the Midnight's Era. With a Da Vinci Code cipher to unlock. What do you think the clues are? What do you think the clues are giving? This is what I'm forecasting for the storm ahead. And I want to say something. I have a history of being right about this stuff because i actually predicted reputation and i predicted ellen you didn't predict you didn't you okay well let's just

back it up let's just back why are you i feel like there's disrespect coming my way there's no disrespect i just want to i just want to make sure that we don't give ourselves too much credit because i think you did not predict reputation you said i, I've heard from sources. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You mistake yourself in the words of Hamilton because what happened was when all of this stuff went down with Kanye and Kim and Taylor, I said, I predicted, I'm like, her next phase, her next iteration is going to be Dark Taylor. I'm telling you, I said, she's going to commit to the villain. In the words of Diana Jenkins, you want a villain? Here I am. You're really, I just got to say, Matt is in top form. He's quoting the right quotes. But I just want to say that you, the prediction was that one, you were like, well, first it was Dark Taylor, sure.

And then you were like, I would like her to give, I think she was going to give Pat Benatar, which I don't think she did. No, but rock sound image, big sound. Big mean sound, aka rock. Okay. And then I think finally you did land on sources have told me that her next album is moving in a hip hop direction, which I did not have sources at the time. I wasn't as plugged into the Hollywood machine as I am now as an, as you and I are,

of course on the a list. I wasn't as plugged into the Hollywood machine as I am now. I didn't have sources. So if I did say sources told me I was simply lying. You and I, Oh my God. Yeah. What a, what a long way we've come with Taylor yeah honest it's like it's like us JLo Ben that's like the most famous people

oh my wait we gotta we gotta wait hold on a second first we we are getting into that but when can I say one thing can I make a prediction, and then I would like to hear if you think this is moving in the right direction. Yeah. The aesthetic and the vibes I'm feeling, for me, it's giving Lost in Translation, Ambient, Such Great Heights, Postal Service. It's giving Death Cab vibes. Death Cab.

It's giving that feeling of early aughts. It's giving maybe even of early aughts. It's giving maybe even a little something corporate. It's giving still continuation of Emo Taylor. But what happened when that got a little electronic? It's giving sleepless nights literally in the theme. Can we just talk about how the theme is genius? Just like- The theme is genius.

The theme is genius. Like the way that no one has like zoned in on something that specific i'm really into it and i feel like that's yes the character will be formed in this type of music how do you feel about that that's great i i am in total agreement i was telling you that from the aesthetics from the two promo photos we've seen. I was like, we might be getting 90s aughts rock sad boy anthems, sad girl, sad days anthems.

Death Cab is perfect. I would love if she sprinkled in a little bit of Chris Carrabba in there, some dashboard confession. 100% kink. It might be none of those things. But I'm excited that it's a fall Taylor album. Cause guess what?

You, we kind of had a revisitation during the red Taylor's version, but I'm saying folklore and evermore were summer and winter. We're getting fall. We're getting new fall Taylor for the first time in years and years, five years to be exact. Let's not forget the power that Taylor has during autumn. Oh my God.

There will be a single before September 30th. I will say this because mama, I know wants to be in the Grammy conversation for this year. It's giving shake it off vibes where that single came and was nominated for record of the year. And then the album. Album of the year was won the next year. Correct. And I feel as though we will get a single.

I don't know how soon, but I think within the month. And that probably is necessary because, and I know you have thoughts about this, the date of October 21st is quite a ways away. Quite a ways away. It is the traditional area of release for Taylor pre-Lover. And I think that's important. This is her 10th album. She, she does not, we're not going to, it's not going to be until album 13. Do we get something this major? You're right. She knows that this is going to be big. And I'm telling you,

it's the same. I know an agreement. It's the centennial in a way. The concept is genius. It's genius. We've all stayed up at the strike at the stroke of 12 going wow my thoughts are the most internal and private at this time and and and this is and it's it's giving range of emotion and experience it can be sad anthems it can be party bops it can be she can

she can play what she can pay with all her colors, basically. Of the wind. And I really think that also it is in the midnight hour. And I think the title of F is in the midnight's era. In the midnight's era. And it is at this time that we realize in being kept up by these thoughts, what is truly important to us? What is preoccupying us? Therefore, there is the immediacy, the lyrical immediacy that we are about to get.

Do you understand? Everyone out there listening, do you understand that we are about to get- I don't think they do. Likely a tour in the summer. And the rumor is- For the past four albums, rumor has it it is for the past four albums rumor has it it's about the it encapsulates the past four albums we're getting lover more lover lover more ever midnights we are getting

and i want everyone to really grab onto something right now before i say this it's giving spring summer fall winter it, winter. It is giving literally, if we are to put together a set list of like the five best of all those four albums and let me direct because I have ideas about how to transition from starting, big summer tour, right? Big summer stadium tour.

Start with Lover, right? Open with Cruel Summer. Fucking let the girls have the Cru cruel summer moment that we never got to open the tour it's big on tiktok now it's big on tiktok now go through the the highlights of lover end with the song lover transition into folklore the lights come down the mason jars go up. Give me five from folklore. Transition into Evermore. We see the energy starting to get a little bit more sexy and witchy.

Slap us in the head with whatever is happening on Midnight's Encore Greatest Hits. The way we're about to eat? I'm sorry? Do you feel this way? I feel this way. I really, I'm trying to not hang up too many expectations

because I know that Taylor will not only exceed them, but subvert them. And I don't want to be wrong. I don't want to be embarrassed when it comes. I am smiling big and holding back a laugh because do you know what I realized the listeners think, the readers think right now? They think that Jennifer Lewis is just sitting there while we do this. And this is our intro.

I know. Jennifer Lewis is just sitting there. The Jennifer Lewis episode is called In the Midnight's Era. This showbiz legend being co-opted by Taylor Swift. She would have screamed into this conversation hours ago. She would have. Oh, yeah. Do you think Jennifer Lewis would call Taylor Swift

a, quote, crazy motherfucker? I think so. Do you think Jennifer Lewis? I think. That's a compliment. That's the highest compliment. 100%. And so let's just say Jennifer's not here right now

because, well, do you want to say? I'll say. Okay, so I had hubristically thought that I could record this episode because I was not going to, one, miss the episode with Jennifer Lewis, or so I intended for the world. And two, I did not want to reschedule her too abruptly. So I suggested a slight scheduling change. But it was going to be the day that I was traveling and I didn't realize what the dates were until, you know, it was coming up on the day and thought I could record from the lounge.

This goes into my, I don't think so honey later. Um, uh, it's, it's the airport airports are in a crisis right now. Let's just say it. Yeah. But specifically one airport is flopping hard, the most egregiously bad airport. And we need to stop pretending like it's a fun place to go more on that later um and anyway i could not make it i had to facetime matt and if in emotional duress at the last minute say i think you gotta do this alone but i have faith in you and i was like and i honestly want to listen to a one-on-one conversation between you and jennifer people as co-stars as scene partners yeah i loved my conversation between you and Jennifer. People as post-stars, as scene partners. Yeah, I loved my conversation

with her, and I miss her so much, and I'm so lucky to call her my friend. And, like, I was looking really forward to introducing you to her and seeing your guys' dynamic, but I think you'll really enjoy the episode. So that's coming up in just a bit, everybody, but

Bowen and I wanted to get on because it didn't sit right in my spirit, not having you on the episode so that's coming up in just a bit everybody but bowen and i wanted to get on because i just it didn't sit right in my spirit not having you on the episode at all i said it just didn't sit right in my spirit i need to connect with the diva doll and then the way that taylor like sort of introduced the concept of the midnight era to the world i I was like, okay, so I'm feeling like God is good. God is great. And that we needed to wait. Yeah. And I'm so glad we did.

And that's how you, God is in the room. And I need to say that Jennifer is promoting her new book, Walking in My Joy in These Streets. Fantastic, fantastic book. A follow-up memoir to her best-selling memoir, The Mother of Black Hollywood. I read through it, loved it. So many wonderful stories. It's undeniable

that it's just coming from her truth. It's her voice throughout the whole thing. And there's a fun, beautiful, cosmic connection to Shangela, between Shangela and her and Shangela and this podcast, because it is also

the other the only other time that matt has had to host this podcast solo and i think it's very special and without spoiling anything listen to the end for a treat okay listen to the end for a treat um but before we get into that there are just current events really are happening as we speak this week yeah because we have to discuss this don't worry darling situation so for the readers who are illiterate on this particular pop culture news item the don't worry darling press tour god is not in the room on this one god is not on the zoom calls god is not in the p he's not on the Zoom calls. God is not in the PR. He's not on the PR team. I thought this movie looked incredible when the trailer came out. I love a, you know, it feels like it's like some dark sci-fi satire. I love the cast.

I loved Booksmart. Mama, the way that this press tour is falling apart. No one can get along. There are no real heroes and villains. Maybe Florence is the only one that kind of comes out of this comes out of this looking the least ridiculed. Florence is because she's removed herself entirely from it. Okay, so for everyone that doesn't know, basically, it all started when Jason Sudeikis served Olivia Wilde with custody papers while she was, like, you know,

speaking at a convention for Don't Worry Darling. So she sort of had, you know, the press and, like, the whole, like, media narrative was very much on her side because he did this horrifying thing to her. he claims it wasn't on purpose but i don't know about all that yeah so then it's like there's the rumors that florence doesn't like olivia because olivia started sleeping with harry styles on this set of don't worryorry Darling, and Florence is very close with Jason Sudeikis because Zach Braff is a director on Ted Lasso,

and Florence hasn't posted about the movie, and Harry's not having the easiest time PR-wise right now because of the queer baiting or what have you and his lack of intelligence when he speaks on that subject. Sorry, everybody, but that's what it is. And then Olivia does that like big article and I guess variety or something. She did like a big piece.

Which were you and I talking about how like, oh, like you would think that's a good PR choice for her to do variety, for her to do something in a trade so that one, she can be regarded as this director who is really having this wonderful project come to light with

all this press that she has to do damage control over. But then the piece kind of... I don't know. It's like maybe what the movie is trying to portray, which is that things are not what they seem, and sometimes the aesthetics of something really don't communicate that much at all like i think that's like what i'm taking away from all this is like these people are ultimately actors

i don't know i i just i just think that like it's like like okay so basically fast forward to this olivia mentions that she had fired shia labeouf from the harry styles role because she has a no assholes policy which woohoo we love that yeah very novel idea um as if like you're you can be in control of people's personalities in an industry such as hollywood um and then uh shia comes out and sends to Variety directly these receipts, these emails, these notes, this video of Olivia driving, which iconically starts out with her going, Shia, Shia, Shia. Sorry, I'm sweaty from riding my horse. And I'm like, girl, you've lost us already I'm already you've lost the thread with the I mean like

it's so I mean like say what Shia is a monster and truly despicable but also like and this is not to compare anybody's behavior but it's like Olivia got caught in a lie after she did this whole women are the future,

you know, peace in variety, um, where she basically throws Florence into the bus and says, Florence has to come to miss flow has to come to her senses. It's so weird. And everyone is so fucking icky. I think ultimately the fatal flaw that she made. And again, I will definitely see this movie and i

actually heard the script is so then is the press working so i don't think that this is good for it but i will say i'm still going to see it because i well first of all i love florence pew and i i think she's fabulous and i i was gonna see the movie and I will see it still. But this is the problem is it's, if you're going to do a big piece like that, it's one thing to lie to your actors, to manage them. You know what I mean?

Like if you need to say to Shia LaBeouf, look, I really need, I want you in the movie still. I get it. Like, like Florence is difficult. If you need to say that to him,

two things, don't put that in writing or on video and to like understand that if you said that to him and this is someone that has nothing to lose at this point and then you try to trot out a story that's a lie and that and you misrepresent the truth, he might say something about it. And he did. So what you've done is you've made it public that you were condescending about your Oscar-nominated lead actress

and diminishing of her. So ultimately, if I'm Florence Pugh, I don't want to promote this movie either. Why? Because she values herself as a professional If I'm Florence Pugh, I don't want to promote this movie either. Why? No. Because she values herself as a professional and presses work. And this work environment has become unprofessional and toxic. So she's going to do Venice, I heard, and then do nothing else, which I say that feels right to me.

This director is... She's just not running the set well. No, there's some contempt there or whatever, not to sound like I know what I'm talking about, but it's really, really a bummer. I don't love thinking about it. I was talking about it with some friends, and this is not...

I'm sorry, I don't mean to make this about me, but someone was like, you should do, that would be an iconic lip sync if you lip synced the video. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, Bowen Yang back in the day, Bowen Yang like 1.0. I would have. Bowen Yang 1.0 would have done it. Shia, Shia, Shia.

I'm sorry, I'm sweaty from riding my horse. You know what? I still have dreams because all roads lead back to morning show i still have dreams stress dreams sometimes that i'm gonna meet reese whether spoon and she's gonna be like i know you recorded why am i giving her a twang she'll be like you did that lipstick of me getting arrested i maybe i i think maybe she's seen it and maybe she doesn't like it because it's a terrible moment in her life i think that everyone should have a sense of humor about the things that go wrong and also i i will

say till the day i die that is when i really started standing me too because the next day she goes on the morning shows the next day she goes on the morning shows and played it perfectly where she was like i was drunk i was And then, and then they were like, you said you were pregnant. Are you pregnant? She goes, no, I lied.

I don't know why I said that. I'm not. I said I was pregnant. I'm not. Legend. I love that. Yeah. I mean,

it was immediate accountability, which it's not like we see people taking it. And also like that, I mean, it was a teachable moment it was someone like really leaning on her white privilege i mean that was crazy like if that had happened now i think she would have gotten a lot of hell sure what you know what i mean like i think that it's a lip sync opportunity that you absolutely as the king of lip syncs at the time couldn't just pass up. Maybe I will still do it. I love it. Maybe I

get in there. Maybe I get in there. This iconic woman. I'm not going to work with her. Whatever. I don't know that that's true. The thing is, and here's the thing, I'm not saying fuck Olivia Wilde, and this is the annoying part of all this. No, no, no, that's not what we're saying.

There's a lot of people piling the Twitter pylon is too much as it always is yeah um but you can have some nuance as you look at this situation and go oh man like that is a sign of bad directing where you know you're you're just being subterfugey about like everybody and you're you're lying and you're not making sure your actors are like taken care of yeah i will say that the email that shia made public was so like namaste it was so like yeah hey i hope you're so well you should see my daughter grow anyway you liar here are the receipts and then to drop them all and then literally ends it being like i truly hope the best for you i was like mama this is housewives it's giving the real housewives of wherever they shot that film palm springs yeah sedona yeah

sedona really sarina could never at least sar Rinna could never. Can we briefly talk about J-Lo firing Virgos from her dance? Wait, what? From her dance. Did you not hear about this? No. Tell me all about it. Oh my God. She fired Virgos just because she doesn't like Virgo energy?

So Heather Morris, who famously played Britney Spears on Glee, who was famously before that a backup dancer for so many people. Beyonce. J.Lo said on a podcast interview recently that J.Lo hates Virgos and has fired people on her

I think, not her staff, but definitely her backup dancing or just people on her dancers basically for being Virgos, which is... That is iconic. Iconic, the perfect time to mention that we're in Virgo season.

This is lining up so perfectly after Renaissance comes out, after a song called Virgo's Groove is in all of our minds. I mean, literally the world's most famous Virgo is stomping the yard right now. Stomping the yard after J-Lo is doing a fake plantation wedding where, you know,

she, um, like there's just so much going on here. And I think it's all fantastic. And this is not to say that like, I think any less of J-Lo. It's just, it's just so crazy how all of this is happening.

The J-Lo news of the past two years has been sumptuous. Yeah. I mean, she's certainly in an era. I mean, she's in her Benefer 2.0 era. She's in her post-Hustlers. I didn't get the nomination, so fuck y'all. I did the Super Bowl. She's in her post apex apex

yeah that's what is happening she is in her charizard but your charizard is your apex now she's like devolving back to charmander in a way you think she's at charmander you think she's no no no you think she's a fly girl again i'm just saying she's a Charizard but the Charizard like don't spit fire the way that he you know what she's giving? She's giving Cranky Charizard remember when the moral lesson of that

era of Pokemon was that Ash allowed Charmeleon to evolve too early and so remember when Ash had to like Charizard was a fucking asshole but like literally charizard being cranky bitch being rude cranky yeah that's jlo like literally charizard was giving diva behavior like it was giving not doing what was told it was very much giving barely even coming out of the pokeball as if it was a goddamn trailer on the sony lot and charizard says i won't come out of my pokeball not for no one i said get the director to come to

me meanwhile you have like fucking professionals you have pidgeotos waiting in their balls florence pews just being like hi um you're making this a toxic environment. I'm not doing press for you. Wait, literally? There is no actress that gives Pidgeotto more than Florence Pugh. And I am so proud of you, sister. She really does give Pidgeotto. She really does.

And Pidgeotto is... I remember when I had a Pidgeotto... I like Pidgeotto better than Pidgeot. Oh, 100%. I was just going to say, like, when my Pokemon Pidgeotto was evolving to Pidgeot, I was like, ugh, I know this is, like, beneficial to me, but, like, I don't want

this girl here. I'd rather have Pidgeotto, like, that's my diva doll. Like, that's personally, for me, my girl. Yeah. Like, I understand kids have to grow up, but no, in so many words, I don't think so,

honey. You know what I'm saying? I think I do. I really think I do. Well, which speaking of that, um, because you will not be able to join me for this next,

um, segment of the podcast, because it's my really great interview with Jennifer Lewis. You did not get to do it i don't think so honey would you like to do it now because i know something that's on your mind spirit and heart i would love to then at this time i will ready the phone which is how i keep time for i don't think so honey this is bowen yang's early a third of the way into the episode and i don't think so honey this really doesn't happen very often, but it's happening today, tonight,

wherever you're listening to this, and it's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. John F. Kennedy International Airport. Every damn terminal, everything about this fucking place. Why did we ever think for a second that it was any better, any measure better than LaG guardia was 10 years ago la guardia is that girl now make no mistake la guardia is a pleasure to have in class now that she's undergone the reservation the renovation but john f kennedy has always been

garbage it's horrible to get to no matter how you get 30. The only, the big draw of it now is to go to the TWA hotel. Honey, I don't want to be in a Stanley Kubrick movie, you bitch. I want to fly out of there. And why did you make it so difficult for me to just find a lounge to go to and have a private, quiet spot to record my podcast with legend, Hollywood legend, Jennifer Lewis,

my best friend's co-star, Jennifer Lewis. Terminal 7 is the worst, worst, worst, worst part of New York City, period. The worst people, the worst fucking place to be. Oh my god, Matt. If you had been there with me, if you had been there with me that day,

trying to figure out how to get into that damn lounge, you would have snapped along with me i snapped because it's that flop international lounge right the what like the flop international lounge but they make it fucking hell they make you solve 10 fucking bridge troll riddles to get inside i went through security then they said um because i had my my boarding pass for this international flight printed from my original place, whatever.

I won't get into it, but they were like, you need a written letter of permission at the British Airways Satellites Lounge, which is fucking trash. Delta will forever be that girl. You can never be Delta Lounge. You can never be American Express Centurion Lounge. It was disgusting. It's run

by all these gatekeeping motherfuckers. Literal gatekeeping is at its worst at the lounges, shall we say. I'm sorry. I know it's hack to complain about air travel, but it was truly... It is what it is. It's not hack if it's

a universal human experience that for whatever reason, everyone hates traveling via air i don't blame taylor sometimes for flying the jet i'm serious jfk i i had to tell wait matt literally for some inside baseball i had to tell i had to tell people on our team on our management team i was like no more flying out of jfk no more flying in or out of JFK. I was like, LaGuardia is the default going forward. Wow. I've had enough.

I'm a JFK girl. No, you're wrong. I think it's just because I can be so autopilot there now because I fly in and out of there so much that I don't have to literally at all even look up. I can just go, go, go, go, go and go exactly where I want to go and get on the plane because I don't want any nonsense. But honestly, I do have to see what LaGuardia is giving now post renovation because I haven't seen it. It's giving everything that can be given and gotten. It's giving glamour it's giving beautiful water features matt i know you

fly delta the delta terminal jfk is decent but if you think about if your gate is fucking b75 or whatever the fuck if your number is in the double digits honey the walk you're walking you are You are walking! And you can't, at a certain point, you can't do that. No. I literally, you are actually slaying when you say this because there have been times where I'm like, it's like a 20-minute walk to get there. It's crazy!

Yeah, it's so true. LaGuardia has it figured out. There's this new girl in town, she's not so new, she just went through a makeover, Fiorello LaGuardia has it figured out. There's this new girl in town. She's not so new. She just went through a makeover. Fiorello LaGuardia. Airport. The school and the airport are pumping out hits.

Planes and talent. LaGuardia is in her Terry Hatcher Desperate Housewives era. Absolutely. And we were like, that's the bitch from Lois and Clark. Yeah, it's really culture number 30 30 LaGuardia is in its Harry Hatcher and Desperate Housewives era Desperate Housewives era again it's so hacked up my last like

two out of my last three I don't think so many of you have been about airports but this has been my life recently and it's my reality and take it to court okay take it to court okay before we get into this jennifer lewis interview we do want to break some news that we said online but we just want to say it here on

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Honestly, I'm not used to seeing you not be robed. And sometimes on set, I'd see you in the two robes. Which is how you know she's at work did you read the uh the two couple of paragraphs on the robes oh you know that i had to get up and walk around with the book in my hand wearing that because i was like i know this is boss i know this is when mama's in jennifer ies. Back your ass up. Back up if I'm wearing two robes. I'll leave her alone. She's trying to contain the charisma. A hundred percent. Well, it's uncontainable charisma.

I'm so excited you're here. And I'm so excited about the book, Walking in My Joy in These Streets. Probably one of the best titles I've heard. How'd you stumble upon the title? It's just kind of who and what i am it's just what i do matt i mean you've seen me on set if i'm the only time i'm not like laughing and joking and playing around is when i'm really in my lines you know i show up to do my job but i can't do my job if i'm not in my lines. You know, I show up to do my job, but I can't do my job if I'm not in my joy. So,

it was just so funny that first day I had that big speech and all of you were sitting there like little puppies, panting. Oh, the great Jennifer Lewis. She stepped about to speak

and I went listen you little shits I don't know one fucking line of this script they're not getting the great Jennifer Lewis today here's the rule shut the fuck up so I can dance and play and y'all were like damn

alright well shit but it was just so fun. But the reason I have been able to bring Patricia to I Love That For You as well as I have, and don't think for one minute, I don't know that it is my best work. It's my best work because I'm able to create an environment that is joyful. How can you really? I mean, there's not a weak link in the cast. 93 years and say, what is going on over there? And what do you expect me to do with that person who is not present and who is not here that you have hired? I have not had to make that speech.

Everybody. I mean, I just wouldn't dream of showing up with Jennifer Lewis and not bringing my A plus plus game and you make me better and you make me so much better than I ever thought I could be because of what you bring and the stuff that you say to me. So, I mean, it's just, just know that, that I'm feeling every minute of it. I mean, first of all, our relationship in the show is so intimate and, you know, having had so many assistants and they, like Murphy Brown, I fire them weekly. I fire those, what did you say? Bitch, get the fuck out of my room so you don't know my middle

name. Who named themselves? Motherfucker. Get out! Who knew you were walking into a storm? You know, Matt, it's crazy. I have been compared to the elements. I don't remember a review that they didn't

A hurricane of a talent. A tornado. Hurricane Lord, it's New York. Now, I'm 22 years old. What was I supposed to do with that? Hurricane Lord, it's New York. But anyway, I love being on the set of I Love That For You.

And I love everybody on the set. That is so rare, my friend. That is so rare. And with that loving, supporting, professional energy, I am able to move in a Tai Chi that I've never really felt before. I'm moving from the center. And you and I, let me find the word.

Well, it is energy, but it's more than, it's the consciousness and the energy. Those being the only two things that really exist. Let's just say right now that I am looking forward to the next season.

I know we're going to get picked up. I know it in my heart. Yeah. I know it because I can feel it. I can feel it too. Yeah, I'm trying to see myself somewhere else and I can feel it. I can feel it too. Yeah, I'm trying to see myself somewhere else and I can't yet. I know you know.

Okay, so we just shared a visual moment podcast. Right, right. Y'all, you know, look all that shit out there. If they don't pick us up, they're out of their fucking mind. I agree with you. Yeah, they'd be crazy. They'd be crazy.

You know, I also feel like what I really take from like our time together I agree with you. Yeah, they'd be crazy. They'd be crazy. Patricia gifts Darcy the bag. And you were, we were walking through the scene and you were saying how you as Jennifer were feeling emotional about the scene because, you know, this was a moment of vulnerability for Patricia. And it was also a moment where she was showing Darcy that he means something to her. And as you were preparing the scene, I remember you said out loud, but she is not going to be emotional. Like am about this because Patricia is she's rock solid.

She's icy and she would never betray that. And you said to me, you know, the way you have an effect on the audience is you don't cry. They cry. and projects that I've done since that, where I've employed that and I felt it really has been effective where I actually, I tried so much to not be indulgent in what I was doing and rather actually have the much more human emotion of trying to manage myself and letting the camera or letting whatever it is pick up on that. And I just wanted to tell you that that was, I think, one of the most indelible pieces of acting advice I've ever had. And I wanted to ask you if you could remember a time where you were on set or working with another actor and they told you something that immediately

made sense and you've remembered, probably countless times. Oh, countless times. One of the biggest ones was tom hanks when i worked with him on castaway and i was so nervous that first night uh of shooting i mean it was tom hanks for god's sake robert yeah robert zemeckis is directing and and here i. I mean, I remember so well because I was studying the Jackie's Back script in the trailer that night and Tom Hanks came up behind me and Jesus, what a moment. He thought I was rehearsing. He thought I was studying our scene that we were about to i was studying jackie's back yeah so he looked over my shoulder and saw one of the lines from the jackie's back script that was eventually cut because the scene in jackie's back where i'm standing at the theater and i've got that mink hat on. Yes. PETA is across the street protesting the mink hat where Jackie Washington didn't care.

Tom Hanks looks over my shoulders and reads the line that Jackie Washington was going to say to the crowd of the protesters for the fur. Give me back my head bitch somebody snatches the hat off and jackie screams give me back my head bitch so that was the line at the top of the page that tom hanks read out loud in my ear in makeup and hair yeah and all i heard he didn't even say hi i'm tom hanks we hadn't even fucking met he just looks at the script because i'm not paying attention to who has come to the trailer we didn't know it was tom hanks i know i'm thinking tom hanks gets his makeup on in his own trailer but there he is reading over my shoulder. And this is what you hear. Let me try to get him. Give me, give me back my head, bitch.

Like, what the fuck, man? It's Tom Hanks. But the thing, Tom, when we got on the set, I was, I was really nervous. And he looked at after one take of the scene, he looked at me and he looked me dead in my eye and he said, don't say it if you don't mean it. Just like that.

Just like that. Oh my God. Don't say it if you don't mean it. Don't say it if you don't mean it. Don't say it if you don't mean it. It was so powerful because he didn't patronize me. He didn't make me feel bad. He didn't put me down. He didn't do any of that.

He just gave me that one sentence. Yeah. Cause I went over to him. I said, I'm a little nervous, you know? Right. And he said, well, just don't say it if you don't mean it. It was just so simple. And so everything I'll tell you some of the lines Sharon Stone also when I worked with her on the mighty oh yeah great movie yeah she gave so much off camera I couldn't believe it I mean it was Sharon Stone I mean she gave me the tears off camera you mean when you were doing your coverage and her coverage had been done she was giving it my cup yes right during her coverage uh her coverage was first so she got she did her performance and i you know would

remember what she did and i would give mine but she gave it all and i have always admired and respected her for that she also was very sweet she came to see one of my club acts one time. Their set, Sharon Stone and Gregory Hines. Wow, that's amazing. Whoopi was in the audience that night. What? I mean, you know, come on. How crazy is that? I know.

I've always been the entertainer's entertainer. People, they come to study me. They come to watch because, I mean, you know, look, I perfected the cabaret scene. I started cabaret. The house down. Right. You know, the kids in Dream

Girls used to come see me after the show. I was the show after the Broadway shows. People would, the gypsy broad, Broadway gypsies would pile into Don't Tell Mama for my monthly shows. And I just did them.

I just kept doing it, kept doing it. And that's where the real groundwork came in. That's why I wasn't too intimidated by Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer.

I love that for you because I've done my homework too. It was like I was on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, I know, right? And it's true that you auditioned for Saturday Night Live too, right? Yes, I did.

I sure did. I had a call back with Lorne Michaels. I can't remember what year it was, but I was very young. I was in my early 20s and I just knew I was going to get picked. It was one of the biggest heartbreaks of my career. Yeah, I went through something similar. Isn't it funny? Like now we get to work with people that have been also on the show and we both also got close.

There you go. It always comes around. And let me say to all the kids listening, you must. I always say I gave up many times in my career. I did, but I never quit. I didn't quit. It's when your hardest hit that you mustn't quit. That's so true.

Got to be in it to win it. There's no room for you to sit down. I tell motherfuckers I'm so dramatic. I live my life like I got five minutes left what you gonna do with the next five minutes Jenny okay you say that's dramatic oh that's so much you damn straight

I'm 65 I got 30 summers left I ain't got time to waste if the fucking 9.2 hit right now I would have gone down talking to my baby I don't waste time I would have gone down talking to my baby. I don't waste time. I would have gone down telling the truth. I try not to even get stressed anymore. I go, bitch,

when you've been in an earthquake and a tornado and the flood, you don't fuck around with nature. The preciousness of life, how precious it is, how fragile we are. We are so fragile

and it could all be gone in a second. And that's why you've got to honor it. You've got to honor it. Yeah. As you're talking, I'm reminded of the chapter in your book about your cousin ronnie which moved me so much i mean this was such a beautiful testament and it's such a beautiful you know ode to his spirit and to how meaningful he was to you and i i do like i i know that like it emanates off of you but you are it's it's almost like beyond allyship. It's like you are an icon to the LGBTQ community, but also it's like, it feels like inherent in you. Like obviously you have a very close connection because there's a person in your life

that was gay that you knew from very, very, very young age. But also like, can you speak to being involved in that cabaret scene and also being in being around so many people like vibrant queer people in the 80s because but it's beyond performance it feels like it's like a lifeblood oh no darling the performance the performance on stage was you know probably scripted and yeah okay right jennifer le Jennifer Lewis will go off the script in five seconds and create a whole other world. But when the show came down,

you see artists are a different walk. We walk in a different light of life because we know we're responsible. We know we're responsible. We know we're responsible for the next trend, the next

energy. You know, it's like a tone setting. It's a responsibility. You can't fuck with it. You've got to honor artistry because we are, we go before everyone and lay the ground. Here's some art to look at while you're climbing

your mountain. Here's a song you can sing while you're climbing your mountain, because that's all any of us are trying to do is climb the mountain. So the artists are there to say, here's something to encourage you. Here's a song you can sing when you get to level five. Here's a pair of beautiful shoes that'll make your feet feel good. Whatever you need, we're going to make you a shoe that's going to cushion your foot to get to the next level. What do you need? Because we were put here to create it for you, to help you, not to change you, not to make you, but to just help you, feed you as it were, feed you. Here's a song, bitch. You know, you ain't even got to know how to sing to sing it.

No, you just have to love to sing and want to sing. Thank you. The fact that you heard it means it's in your soul already. There you go. Yeah. Do what you will with it. But here in your soul already. There you go. Yeah. Do what you will with it. But here's the song, bitch. Here's a song. I have a song I've loved since I was a kid. It said, God, give me mountains with hills at their knees.

You know, I used to think, Matt, that I had to pull everybody up. I'm happy I stayed alive. I'm happy I stayed around to grow, to respect other people and hear what they had to say, aka listen to others instead of it being me me me it's now we we we so i found people that i could reach up and trust not to let me fall back down that road and that goes back to i love that to you for you you. That goes back to Vanessa's warmth. That goes back to Molly's wholeness and your intensity and your, I watch, you know, I've been able to watch the show and study it.

You also have a warmth and not to, your looks don't hurt either, baby boy. Coming from the most beautiful woman in the world, that means something. You're so precious to just look at those little things you do, even when you slam the card that Patricia has made you put all over that board, the way you're going like this, bitch. But this bitch is in your back. No, honey, I have studied it all. going like this bitch. This bitch is in your back. No, honey, I have studied it all.

I have this bitch. I love her, but god damn did I have to put the same shit all over here? Because I heard Patricia say, put them all up there so everyone will understand there will be no mistakes. And you're like, and I could hear

Darcy thinking in your back it's there it's such an interesting relationship and dynamic to play because there's so many layers to it you know what i mean it's like there is that because because there is that um i find that with him it's like an irritance that he has to be obedient to someone, but he also does need it and requires it. He worships her. He worships her. He worships her. He wants to be her, for God's sake.

And when you have that scene with Vanessa, when you're getting, who's taking care of her? She's so much. Matt, everything is in that scene. Everything that is unspoken, I hear in that scene. Whatever fucking word you say, I hear everything you're not saying. And that's when you know it's right. This means the world to me. No, no, no.

You literally say, I'm nothing. When you say I'm nothing, when you say I'm nothing when you say i'm nothing i'm just a little speck all i hear is all i'm hearing is you don't understand i just stole fifty thousand dollars yeah and when you even when you do your hands and you go down like, oh my gosh, Jennifer. No, I'm going to say my favorite part. This is how I know, like the second season of I Love This For You is going to be so interesting. I can't wait. Because what I have found while looking at it and studying it, you and I are music, young man. We're music

together. That's some music shit going on. We're writing a song in this bitch and I am loving every note. You know I don't fuck around, young man. I don't blow smoke. I know you don't. I have watched you. You're too close to me for me not to. I gotta close to me I see straight through you

Motherfucker get that close to me I see everything Okay They can actually be a thousand paces away I still see But that up close Let me tell you the song I don't even know if you know it

But while I'm singing And I'm feeling good And before you push that fucking button When you go I don't even know if you know it, but while I'm singing and I'm feeling good, and before you push that fucking button, when you go, that was it. I said, this little boy, this little boy know a thing or two. It was a song. It was a song within a song within a song. And it was beautiful. I'm overwhelmed. And it's one of the great joys of my life to be able to have this experience and I'm so

excited for the future of the song as you're saying and I will say I was so proud and so excited to be able to be there when you got your star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That was so exciting to watch you get that moment that

like such a deserved moment. And I have to tell you, I didn't get to talk to you much that day because there was so much happening, but I was shaking because I go over and I look at my chair and of course I'm like glowing and I'm with Vanessa and we're so excited and proud of you. And then I go over, I look, they have a chair for me. It says Matt Rogers on my chair. And the next chair over said two words, Brandy Norwood. Jennifer, I have, I, when I tell you, she came and sat next to me and I I'm, I'm like shaking because I have been a huge Brandy fan from a child. And she was amongst dozens and dozens and dozens of people that were there just so excited, glowing for you. What did that day feel like? Because it's not just any people.

These are the most talented people. These are the most brilliant lights. I mean, meeting all your sisters was incredible. Like, I mean, just like, what did that feel like? And the caliber of people that were there to pay tribute to. I mean, Mark Shaman and Debbie Allen did the speeches. Let's go. Wow, baby boy.

Oh, man. To make Jennifer Lewis speechless because she's sitting in a moment that is real. It's so real. Come on, you already know. I don't have to say. It was, let me try. Yeah. Mark Shaman and I have known each other for about 35 years.

And, you know, he wrote Hairspray for me. He wrote Motor Mouth for me. But I couldn't do it because I was under contract with Strong Medicine. Wow. Wow. So I did get to go back to Broadway and do it for three months, which was wonderful. Oh, God, what a life. And Debbie Allen gave me my first job in Hollywood. Wow. It was a pilot with Diane Carroll, Cab Calloway, Journey Smollett. Wow. This is, oh, love Journey. Journey Smollett was four years old playing Debbie Allen's and I was playing Debbie Allen's cousin, Jessie Mae.

So she gave me my first solo and the great moment between Debbie and I was when we did a presentation of the pilot. It was called Sunday in Paris. When we did a presentation of the pilot, it was called Sunday in Paris. When we did a presentation of the pilot for the producers, the producers, which she was one, she was an executive producer. So they were in a meeting. So when they want more of Jessie Mae. Of course. Come on now.

They want more. That's the title of the next book. They want more. They said they want more of Jessie Mae. She said, and then she whispered in my ear. She said, now you listen to me and listen good. Yeah.

I'm only going to do a couple of seasons of this show and then you can have it. But not yet, bitch. Baby, she wrote a note that said not yet, bitch, that I still have. I still have that note. Not not yet bitch that I still have. I still have that note. Not yet, bitch. You can take over because she knew I was capable of taking it over. I mean, back in those

days, I wasn't even treated for my bipolar disorder. So, honey, I was completely out of control. I pushed every motherfucker aside to be to the center and there was just no justice. There was nothing. There never is. I was a force of nature job debbie allen was like god damn this girl got talent so see she saw it yeah and um she you know all of my peers i mean from whoopi to ros to Kathy Griffin and all the people that were in Jackie's back.

Yeah. You know, they've been there for me. Bette Midler, all of them, they've been there for me. I was the little kid, new on the block, and everybody wanted to make me a star. But the bipolar disorder really stopped that whole, it was a wave coming, but it was a wave of confusion. I was not aligned. I was willing, but I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready emotionally, spiritually. And I just didn't know what to do with myself. Everybody was dying from

AIDS, and I pretty much just lost my fucking mind. You felt overwhelmed, yeah. Right. You're not supposed to deal with that much death in your early 30s, for God's sake. My babies dropped

like flies. Nobody knew what to do ronald reagan wasn't doing shit wasn't saying shit the government wasn't saying shit and we all we were all lost but i more than most because i was like i was not diagnosed yet so um what can I tell you? Going back to the LGBTQ community, you know, like the whole chorus like died from Dreamgirls. I mean, it was a time that you guys could not even imagine. And it was a silent war, kind of like this dumb COVID shit. We thought it was in the air. There was a time we didn't know if it was in the air. Yeah. It had to be incredibly scary. I mean, sometimes I just, I very rarely have these moments because whether it's ignorance or whatever, it's just like, or I blessed and to be living in this time and not that one i look around whenever i'm around all my gay queer friends and i think like we're very

lucky that i mean oh yeah this isn't a present a present like immediate threat because just the fear and terror just and to understand how vital the community is and how enriching it is and how I'm proud I am to be a part of it. Just, yeah, just life. I live in my joy around the gay children. I love me.

I love them. And that's the way that is. And I'm going to fight for them. And they've always fought for me. And before you even ask a little acai bowl. Yeah, I was like, what are we rocking here? We got some acai. I just finished my pilates, so I got to eat a little something. You know, I still take care of myself.

You're glowing, by the way. You're glowing. I feel good. You're emanating right now. You seem like you're walking in your joy. Money, let me tell you what happened yesterday, and you will know why I'm walking in my joy. I want to know. The musical director of my new animation feature called Spellbound

with Nicole Kidman, Javier Bardem, and John Lithgow's playing my husband. Well, not my husband. He's the other minister of the little kingdom. But anyway, they came over yesterday, honey, with all the Disney-ness

of it all. Yeah, the storyboards? Well, no. Disney does not let out the script. Oh, the storyboards? Well, no. Disney does not let out the script. Oh, they don't. Okay. When I've done about, oh, I guess this will be my, ooh. I think this will be my seventh animation

feature. But baby, your little girl is singing an Alan Macon song. Yes! Unbelievable! This is gonna be incredible! But baby, your little girl is singing an Alan Macon song. Yes. Unbelievable. This is going to be incredible. And I sounded so good on it. I couldn't believe I hit those notes yesterday.

I can believe it. I mean, everyone, I mean, you know what else I love about I Love That For You? Is they gave you that moment in the, I think it was the fifth episode to sing Feeling Good. When you just mentioned it, just like the way you ripped that up. I was like, come on now. The moment was absolutely met. Crushed it. Well, you know, I'm going to be honest with you.

The greatest compliment I got was from Mark Shaman. And Mark and I don't compliment each other because we both know if one of us gets one more compliment, our heads will fall off our shoulders because we both know if we one of us gets if one of us gets one more compliment our heads will fall off our shoulders because we're so good right so we usually we were just pretty much putting each other down when we talk fuck you no fuck you no fuck you yeah when mark shaman

you have such incredible, enriching friendships. Look at you. I mean, you're overwhelmed. Yeah, because there's so much love there. Yeah. And so much history. Yes. When Mark Shaman calls and tells you that he has never seen a more perfect lip sync. I love it.

I mean, he said it was perfect. How did you? I mean, Mark, you know, confused at some of my brilliance. I mean that. Yeah. I'll tell you another thing Mark Shaman did. We went on a world tour

once and we were in Iceland together. We're about one years now. Yeah. We were in a 350-year-old glacier. They had carved a wedding chapel

of ice inside of this glacier. You call and tell him to go there. It's pretty cool. Yeah, they'll drive him out. Tell him it's a bit of a drive in Iceland to get out to that glacier, but tell him to go. It's worth it.

Okay. They have to give you a suit so you don't freeze to death in there and all that shit. Oh, wow. It's all that. What an experience. Absolutely.

But I got up. Mark Shamer and I were walking around in this glacier in iceland and the guy that was taking us through all this precarious ice and snow she turns at one point she says yes now we've entered the temple the chapel is uh does anyone sing oh man the acoustics probably were giving everything. Yes. Actually, if you really want to know the truth,

it's actually on YouTube. You can actually see. But here's the piece. Okay. When I finished singing Amazing Grace in that glacier, you can hear Mark Shaman say these words, and I got a church from, I haven't watched in a long time, but he says How's Amazing Grace end?

Sing the song. But now I see. Yeah. But yes. But now I see. And he either says I I think he said, perfect. Or it was brilliant. I mean, it was one word.

And I'm almost praying he doesn't see this, hear this interview, because it'll give him too much power. But when he compliments me, when Mark Shaman gives me a compliment, it fucking goes in, man. Well, it sounds like it was involuntary. You know what I mean? It sounds like he had an experience listening and being there. You know what I mean?

It came so quickly. It came so from his soul, which everything does That son of a bitch feels everything I'm telling you Mark Shaman walks around And there is music Constantly In his entire

Molecular structure You can barely get through You can barely get through He'll put his finger up his ear Because I'm screaming so loud Trying to get through whatever He'll put his finger up his ear because I'm screaming so loud, trying to get through whatever symphony that motherfucker's writing. I'm like, nigger, we're eating

now. Pass me some chicken, bitch. He killed me. But you know, pass the cornbread. And he's over there writing a symphony. Damn, some people never stop. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends.

How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo, or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.

And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba.

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and Basketball Hall of Famer.

I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts. You know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well,

we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the

desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I have to ask you, we have a question that we ask everyone that comes on this

podcast and it causes a little bit of a deep dive. So we ask everyone, what was the culture that made you say culture was for me? So basically, this is a stupid way, an ignorant way of asking the question, what was the formative pop culture, whether it was a film, you know, musical artists, something that made you, Jennifer Lewis, realize you were Jennifer Lewis? What was that formative culture? I actually spoke to my new assistant, Cecily, who knows you. Love Cecily already.

And she was telling me about this, this culture thing. I was like, what the fuck is she talking about? What the fuck is she talking about? She said something that, she said something that, you know,

and I said something like, well, Jordache jeans, you know, and I said something like, well, Jordache jeans, you know, changed. I was walking around. She said, oh, that's a good one. But as you ask me this question, I'm going to tell you another one. Oh, yeah, I used to walk down the street in New York going, you've got to look. You've got to look.

I just knew I had to look. Yes. And those jeans were so cheap and nasty they used to always hurt me between my legs. I took those motherfuckers off and never wore them again. Especially in New York. And I'm walking in the pumps on the asphalt

of 8th Avenue going, you've got to look. You've got to look. I changed the song to my feet are hurting my ass is hurting and so i got fuck those games yeah they were not practical they can't be the culture that made you say culture was for you they were not practical enough if as you asked me this question yes something else went through me I wanted I heard what was it that

shook you in your past let me tell you a couple of things whether I'm answering your question or not let me say this out loud just because it's so present it was Streisand it was Judy

Garland. It was Tammy. Sinatra. Pearl Bailey. It was those gods that snatched my

soul out of my goddamn rib cage and said, this is who you are, lewis was it the storytelling of what they were able to do what was it do you think that made you connect to these like vocal storytellers like what was it about them because that is the that is the the connecting tissue that i find in those names that you say it's the it factor my yeah it is a charisma that cannot be bought it can only be polished yes you have to be born with it it is game knows game you have it man darling you have you have lewis no darling I don't blow smoke baby

you have the fact that you wouldn't be able to stand next to me if you you might be right let's get fucked come on you couldn't you would have quit

I can't deal with that bitch. I can't do it. I can't. But you didn't. You stepped up. Or should I say you stepped in. You know who you are. You're young, but you know who you are.

We're all unfinished projects. We're all climbing that mountain. we're all reaching back to somebody we love we're all reaching up to somebody we respect it is a chain of love and some of us i'm sorry we were given just a little more i I'm sorry, we just were. I don't know how it works. I don't know what God is thinking or who did what or who did, I don't know. But I know I came in this bitch singing

and I'm going to go out of this bitch singing. 100%. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, you know, my mother, when I was very, very young, she like raised me on the movie Funny Girl. So I think I may have been like four or five the first time I really really remember is seeing her sing my man at the end of funny girl and just the way that she belts out the world for the word forever more at the end of that song and it closes the film and she she in silhouette the lights go down in black and she's in silhouette and she's

just bathed in the glory of what she's just done but what it was it was all of the emotion of that entire two hour 40 minute film put into one no it was just like and so when you say her name i'm like wow that really is what it is it's just an immediacy and an ability to channel and that was the moment for me too but my moment was going right on my parade when that bitch went don't and then another don't tell me and then when she got

on that motherfucking boat and hit that motherfucking boat that lasted eight hours I was babysitting you never forget moments like this I was babysitting and You never forget moments like this. I was babysitting. And when she hit that note.

Yeah. And also holding the center of that shot. When she did that, I knew, knew that I would hit that fucking note and hold it that fucking long. And believe me, I have. In my youth, my youth i'm sure have you sang that song a ton are you kidding yeah don't don't don't don't don't don't

they didn't know the word was bop but the word was bop all you all i have to hear is don't, don't, don't, don't. I mean, it's, and it was also, I don't know, there were, there just been moments, you know, when you, when you hear the voice of Nelson Mandela. When you're, when you're privy to looking Michelle Obama in her eyes and seeing her grace through her eyes. This was an amazing part of the book. Yeah. Everyone has to get this book. Yeah. I'm talking moments of life. Yes.

I mean, I'm talking about human greatness. And what is greatness, Ms. Lewis? Greatness. And by the way, take this in, there are no shortcuts to it. See, when you see, when you put the word great on a human being, they did some shit because they got there telling the truth.

That's some real shit. You can't lie your way to greatness, motherfucker. You got to stand in your truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That's why the con artist in the book got eight years. Because when I read my victim statement, I brought the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Didn't need God to help me because it was the whole truth. Do you understand? Yes. but the truth didn't need God to help me because it was the whole truth. Yeah. Do you understand?

Yes. I've been given the strength to say no to injustice. Yeah. That shit happened to me. I said to myself, if I am in this much pain from being conned and scammed, what other people must be going through? See, I have the tools to work through any fucking thing that comes near me. I'm like Morpheus and fuckingammed. What other people must be going through? See, I have the tools to work through

any fucking thing that comes near me. I'm like Morphus in fucking Matrix. Bring it, bitch. Where you at? Come on. What you got? All we can do is sit at the table and work through it, but when you get to a situation where you can't work through it, I'm

telling everybody in the world, let that shit go. That's the moment where you have to say, okay, time to grow up and move the fuck on, no matter how painful it is. You may change nobody.

You can't make somebody do something that you want them to do how you want them to do it. That's not that doesn't belong to you. Yeah. What belongs to you is how you feel about it. What did you do with it?

Right. Who did you help and who did you defend? And did you take your responsibility? Because there's always a two-way fucking street i don't even know how i got off on that but it sounded no but i i want everyone to know for everyone listening you must read this book because this was this was another thing i didn't know actually is that you found yourself in a relationship with someone that became romantic and the person was a full scam artist who is i guess now in prison

because he was conning women into being in romantic relationships with him and taking all their money to fund fraudulent businesses and this was something that i was really shook by because you're so kind and so strong i was like god this guy must have been a real sicko and these people are really good at what they do aren't they you have to watch out for some of these people and i just wanted to ask like when do you decide so when you talk about acting on something like that because you knew you were going to do something about it because pretty immediately you did go to the police and um it developed from there in terms of getting this guy you know serving justice or what have you

8 years he got 8 years when does it stop becoming I'm in pain and hurting about this and when how soon does it do you make the decision to act was it immediate or and how much grieving process went into the end of that relationship

my what to do was immediate because I'm an alpha. I don't sit around. And well, before treatment, before treating my bipolar disorder, when chaos or madness would occur, I would become part of the madness and the chaos. Fall out, don't know what to do, go crazy, start crying, couldn't stop crying. Things are wrong. No, not anymore, darling. Not after this many years of therapy. Whatever it happens, because that phone, one thing you know is the phone is going to ring. No matter, you can be skip

towing through the tulips, do whatever the fuck you want to do with your life, but the phone is going to ring no matter you can be skip towing through the tulips do whatever the fuck you want to do with your life but that phone is going to ring and somebody's going to be dead at some point somebody's going to have to have a heart attack somebody did this somebody it's coming you know there was a movie the untouchables with kevin costner and sean connery and sean connery has been shot and he's bleeding to death. And Kevin Costner has come to him and asked for his assistance. Well, now, having given him his assistance, he's been shot and he's dying. And he looks up at Kevin Costner as he's bleeding to death.

And he asked him, what are you prepared to do? You're going to go to the train station and kill this motherfucker or you're just going to let me lay on this floor and bleed and you do nothing about it. I stayed alive long

enough to tell you where this motherfucker is that killed me. Now, what are you prepared to do? So, that's what I ask myself every fucking day, because something's coming every day. What are you prepared to do, Jenny? Did you journal? Did you journal about it last night?

Did you write down last night, get in the pool? See, it's step by step. There's no frivolity involved in living on purpose see the clown artist got in because i wasn't paying attention oh i was getting my uh honorary doctorate degree getting a lifetime achievement award and he was just over there and i was like okay baby i'll be back yeah i Yeah, I'll invest in that.

Yeah, sure. And then I'm off on a plane. Well, guess what that is, Matt? That's called arrogance. It's called omnipotence. It's delusions of grandeur and it's grandiosity. Well, Ms. Lewis, maybe next time you'll pay attention. Miss Lewis, maybe there's a new lesson to learn. How about you pay attention?

You paying attention, Jenny? Or you just flailing your arm like let somebody else take care of it. Right. You got this man in your house, in your life, in your home, in my bed, in between my legs, and it was a fucking, thank you, a lie? Excuse me, God? You send me a fucking con

artist? Yeah. Let me tell you how immediate it was. Yeah. It was immediate. I went to the police immediately i called tmz i wanted that motherfucker's face all over the world so he wouldn't hurt other women yeah let me tell you other women 100 yeah let me tell you something my therapist told me when that happened and let me be very honest it is one of the worst things that have happened to me but in hindsight once we say oh it's the worst thing that happened to me it was the best thing i would not have been able to write either of these books had that not come into my life

i would not have been able to write the mother black hollywood because you see the con artist story was the worst thing that ever happened to me. So if you give the worst story away, here you go. Here's the molestation. Here's the pregnancies. Here's the abortions. Here's the sex addiction. Here's the mental health. You gave it

away because what do I always say? We are as sick as our secrets. That's right. I did it. Motherfucker, bring it on. Bring it on. You can't come for me.

You can't come for me. Yeah, I did it. But I gave it back to help. And that made me happy. Yeah. Was I embarrassed? Yes. It has to be very vulnerable to reveal that.

Did I feel stupid? Yeah. I lived the spectrum. i've gone from poor to rich poor to rich i've lived the spectrum bitch i'm from the street who gonna check me boo well bitch i checked you got checked you got conned out of 50 grand. Now go and mourn, if you will, and then get the fuck up and keep going. And keep telling the truth, Jenny. Yeah, it hurts. Yeah, it hurts. It hurts like hell.

But how about you tug on Sojourner's truth skirt right now and get up. Yeah. It's also important for strong people to show vulnerability and to and to also express the ways in which they have been knocked down because i think that is something i think also too with the entertainment industry is when we step on stage stage like obviously you exude a strength and you exude almost like an invincibility especially when we went when were these types of performers like you are and the ones that you've mentioned but also the vulnerability is why we fall in love with them it's why we remember my man you know

what i mean and that's why we remember judy that's why we remember Judy Garland. Judy Garland saying on the Judy Garland show, I think it was two nights after John F. Kennedy had been shot. I was in the second grade. Wow. And Judy Garland came out in her show.

And of course, I learned later that the executive producers did not want her to do that because it was political. Yeah, what did she do? Yeah, Judy was friends with JFK. Oh. And anyway, she came out and she sang Battle Hymn of Republic. Wow.

And baby, go to YouTube and see that bitch. You will see she forgot a lyric and you you she didn't flub she went instead of saying oh be swift my soul to answer him be jubilant my feet while god is marching on and baby when she took that first step on glory glory hallelujah as i was in the second grade, Matt. Tears were running down my face. I didn't even know what emotion I was feeling, but this woman, this energy, this power, this unannounced storm that came out of nowhere.

I'm telling you, baby, I have enjoyed being in this business, Matt. I have enjoyed. I think if somebody were to ask me what I was more grateful for than anything, it would be that I got to do what I loved to do with my life. I probably would have done it had I never gotten a penny for it. I didn't know what else to do but sing a song. I didn't know what else to do but kick my legs in the air. I didn't know what else to do but make people laugh. I always thought it was why I was put here and I'm glad I thought that because it kind of worked

out. Yes. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute.

She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new, Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with.

His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian,

and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the we go through. Because no matter who you are,

there are levels to what we experience as women and TNI. Well, we have no problem going there. Listen to levels to this with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby and I Heart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.

We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers.

Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.

It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Here's the thing. Ordinarily, on something as gorgeous and beautiful as that, I would end the episode, but we have to do a segment that we always do on this podcast that I hope Cecily told you about. It's called I Don't Think So, Honey.

Did you hear about I Don't Think So, Honey? Did she tell you? She told me about that. This is what it is. It's a 60 second rant about something that is grinding your gears That you need to rant about. And scream about. I have one. I'll do a demo for you.

And then I'm going to time you Jennifer Lewis. Okay are you ready? So I'm going to do one. And then you're going to do one. Alright so this is my I don't think so honey. My time starts now. I don't think so honey. The word affidavits. The releasing of whatever.

Just put this motherfucker in jail. Is he a criminal? Then lock him up. I don't give a fuck about he was the president and this is unprecedented. I don't want to hear the word affidavit ever again. Release the whatever. Mama, release the Kraken. Release the Kraken of the US government and put this man in fucking prison. What does he have that he shouldn't have? Just tell us. You know we deserve to know the fucking truth put him in fucking jail i have 30 seconds left look i if i have to see one more drone shot of mar-a-lago mama put the drone into the hallway

go and uncover the cabinets just show us what is in there if i see one more document with a million lines blacked out just tell us the truth how has this motherfucker been putting us in jail i mean in in chaos and in danger put him in jail not us mama is i don't care if it's ufos i don't care if it's fucking whatever just just tell us what it is stop i don't think so honey boom that's my one minute well i'm gonna pick it right the fuck up okay hold on wait this is jennifer lewis i don't think so honey our time starts now i don't think so, honey. Our time starts now. I don't think so, bitch. I don't think that your motherfucking ass should still

be alive when you didn't tell us that COVID was here when it wasn't here, you dumb motherfucker saying shit on the phone like, oh, it's in the air. Yeah, it's in the air, bitch. Everything else is in the motherfucking air, too, because you don't believe in science

with your dumb, fat, little mushroom dick ass. You don't even believe in science. You're a sociopath. You're a fucking sociopath and you're insane but you know what? I'm going to be honest about you. I don't hate that. I feel sorry for

Trump because I know what fucking mental illness looks like. But there's a difference between mental illness and being a fucking sociopath. That bitch has no feeling. And I'm going to tell you why they haven't arrested this fucking ass yet. Because when he got in, he's mafia. He went out there and got a picture of every Republican senator's mistress and a young boy that they fucking around with. Fuck him. He's got do it again. Let me get the good finish. Finish. Finish. Here's what I want to say. Trump is mob. You

got to understand that. Yeah, you're right. Monster. When he got in office, he went and got pictures of every Republican's mistress or whoever got to see if they were straight or gay or whatever, whatever he could hold over their heads. As soon as he got in, he went and got those pictures and all of that information and videos. Those Republican senators know that he has this. That's why they're not stepping forward. And they think, okay, well, let me just get on the evil train and maybe we'll win this thing and keep our country. Well, fuck you, motherfucker. Let me tell you, it's time for every great fucking empire to fall, bitch.

And that's what's going because you motherfuckers went around the world, colonized, raped, and pillaged every goddamn society you could get your hands on. Then you brought us... Who the fuck is calling? Oh, that's my man. Oh, no. No, you know who it is. I was at my phone.

I love that the phone call happened in the middle of that when you were going off. I love it. I love this. Where the fuck is that phone? What? Is this Mark Shaman calling? Jennifer has run off to go find her phone.

This is an iconic moment. Is it Mark? No, it's... Fuck me. God damn it. You will love this. It's Shangela. Is it?

Oh my God. You gotta get him on. You know that I've done two interviews solo on this podcast. Jennifer Lewis and Shangela. Those were the two that Bowen couldn't join me for. And I'm like, of course, the mother and daughter. Hold on. Yeah, get him back. Oh, this is too

good. Hold on. Hold on. FaceTime. DJ Pierce. Pierce. Oh, here we go. I hope he answers. Look who's here. I'm on with Matt Rogers.

Hey, girl. Jennifer's on Las Cotterillas. Remember you did the pod? Of course I do. I did nothing but praise Jennifer Lewis, a.k.a. Patricia, the whole time. 100% true. That's what you and your brother do, Negro. How is the video going? Look in your WhatsApp.

I just sent you a cut. Oh, shut up. I'm so excited. That's breaking news on the podcast. You're going to lose your mind. This is breaking news. Oh, I'm. I'm so excited. That's breaking news on the podcast. You're going to lose your mind. This is breaking news. Oh, I'm sure I will. You've seen all the videos for Walking in My Joy.

I mean, come on. You've seen me wash them in the hair, in the, what is it? The dishwasher, the microwave, the oven, and the refrigerator. I want to live in your house with y'all. I know. Well, you're going to die for this. I love it. We just finished.

DJ filmed it and did the storyboard. He went up in my closet, got the wardrobe. We had so much fun. Well, some of us did. He lived through it. Let's just say he lived through it. We did. We've done it. Let's just say he lived through it. We did. We've done a mock

of Beyonce's formation. I love it. Hilarious. Icons only. Yes, equipped with DJ running out and getting the police light on top of the car.

When we finish, it's going to be really good. So there's a cut already? Yeah. Is it in your watch? No, I'll call you back. You tell me. What's that? I'll tell you what's happening.

I'm on this goddammit. Some of y'all I just got to tell you, you matt watching you and her was so fun and reminiscent of when i worked as jen's assistant there were so many moments where i was like you're basically playing DJ at the beginning of our relationship when you were my assistant. And DJ, believe me,

I was not like Patricia, though, was I? I was nicer, wasn't I, baby? I mean, when he thought he was coming to the party and you said, you didn't think you were coming. That was a heartbreak. Oh, my God. Now all we need to do is find out that Darcy is actually a drag queen on the side and as fierce as Shangela.

And that will really complete the loop. Season two, baby. I'm getting in those writers ears. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. DJ, the reason that's so familiar to him, because the first year he lived here in my basement dungeon or however you want to address it i had a christmas party and all the hollywood people were there you know rupaul loretta was coming and when loretta pulled up you know i didn't i didn't get valet i didn't give up you

know it was just a party bring your own fucking valet bitch i don't know nothing about hiring valet fuck hollywood so i asked dj i said, DJ, Loretta Devine just pulled up, baby. Run out there and get Loretta's car. And he said, but I said, baby, don't let Loretta walk. Don't let Loretta walk. No, we can't let Loretta walk. What is this? There is a song now called Don't Let Loretta Walk.

I know. Is it coming on? DJ went out there and parked Loretta's car and then somebody else pulled up and I said, oh, baby, don't let them walk, baby. DJ, how old were you, like 20 years old? No, I was at least 25. And I remember everyone then just pulled up and started handing me their keys. Oh my God. So he tells that story when people ask him when was the first time he met RuPaul and

RuPaul came to my Christmas party. That is so funny. And when he said he was going on the RuPaul show, I was like, Ru got the show? You know, this is in the beginning. I said, Ru got a show? Ru ain't told me shit about it. I said, is there a part for me? He said, well, it's drag queens.

I said, well, you go on, baby. You go on, baby. Mama, mama, yeah, mama. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Oh, my God. All right, where are you? What state? New Jersey. That's too bad. I'll talk to you ladies in Jersey.

Mama loves you. I'll talk to you ladies in Jersey. Mama loves you. I promise. Kiss. Bye, DJ. That's enough of you. Oh my God. That was the best cameo I've ever had. Yeah, literally when Shangela DJ came on this podcast, it was a one-on-one just like this.

And I've only done two of those that Bowen couldn't make. You and DJ. Isn't that funny? Oh, he's going to be mad. Bless his heart. Tell him we love him. I know.

Jennifer, I have so enjoyed having you here and having this conversation with you. I adore you. I look up to you. And it just enriches my life every time I'm around you in the same space. So I just want to thank you so much for doing this pod. Let me give your listeners a couple of things before I go. I always try to leave something that somebody can just kind of maybe walk with.

And this is one of my popular quotes and I think everybody has heard it and I can't say it enough the elevator to success is broken take the stairs you gotta be in it to win it the moment you want to give up

it's right around the corner that's a big one that's a big one it's right around the corner. That's a big one. That's a big one. It's right around the corner. If you just hold on, it may not be exactly what you want, but it'll get you to where you're going.

It's just the next step. So try not to walk around. It's all right to be scared. There's a lot going on in the world. It's all right to be scared. We're human. But you must be unafraid. Your generation has to unite so they don't take all of your rights from you.

You must unite. You cannot sit on your ass you've lived in freedom and and and privilege and and and you've taken it for granted that if you get sick there's a doctor if you get hungry there's a cook if you get well are you taking care of yourself last thing i'm telling we all have one job, just one, and that's self-care. Take care of yourselves. Life will unfold for you. I got everything I want. Why shouldn't you? And I do mean everything, Matt.

Money does not make life easy. It makes it easier. If you don't know who you are, none of it means anything. Take care of you. Don't let none get on you. Don't keep people in your life that are toxic. Don't do it. Find your joy.

Pursue happiness. That's all I gotta say. And walk in your joy! That's what you do. And how about this one? If you purchase a book, it should be Walking in My Joy in the Streets by Jennifer Lewis. And if you haven't read

The Mother of Black Hollywood, or for me better yet, listen to the audio book because she is a performer then enrich yourself and be doing all of that and of course stream Showtimes I love that for you I will tell you one thing

yeah the audible of walking in my joy yeah I'm sure I mean having read it I can't wait i can't wait back to the first person i'm saying this to it's so good yay i'm so excited i don't know what jumped in me that day boy but wow so listening to it i kind of wasn't even there, which, well, so pick up the audible is,

and I actually sing, I recorded the songs in this one. Can't wait. So, yeah. So thank you, young man. I adore you. I can't wait to see you on the set.

I know. More Patricia and Darcy. It's season four. I love that. That's the yo. more Patricia and Darcy well we hope it's announced soon I love you I'm Julian Edelman I'm Rob Gronkowski and we are super excited to tell you about

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