Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “It’s Freedom!” (w/ Kelly Clarkson)

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

No, this is not a joke. Kelly Clarkson is actually on Las Culturistas. Recorded in person on the day her new album Chemistry was released, the word’s greatest singer joins Matt & Bowen to talk about… well, everything! The new album, the old albums, the new life, the old life, touring, recording, medicating, parenting, living, laughing, sobbing, singing, loving and, of course, the submersible. It’s the Kelly interview to end all Kelly interviews. And we can’t believe we got her time. Stream Chemistry NOW. It is some of the best work of her career. Readers… it happened. It really happened.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcast presented by capital one, founding partner of I heart women's sports. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Look over there.

Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Las culture. Ding dong. Las culture. He's? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Now, here's the thing. We didn't tell the readers this was happening today.

The readers was what we call our listeners. And the Katie's the finalist. And the Katie's the finalist publicist. They don't know this is happening. This is a Wednesday drop. This is a moment of wish fulfillment that I don't think I've ever experienced before. For you, my friend. I can't.

For everyone who listens, everyone who loves our guest. Which is all of America, period, down. I woke up this morning, my eyes open, and I was like, what do I do? Do I put on like a suit? It feels like Christmas. It's like, you know that vibe where it's like, well, it's a big day. What do I do? Do I try to look casual? Do I put together the sort of look that's like, I don't where it's like, well, it's a big day. What do I do? Do I try to look casual?

Do I put together the sort of look that's like, I don't know. I just woke up like it was a normal day. This is how I am. Or do I literally give it sartorially what it means to me, which would be a full ball gown. Honestly. You want to meet destiny where it's at. Does that make sense? And if you wanted to wear a ball gown, you should have fucking worn it.

It's actually rule of culture number 8 you want to meet destiny where it's at so there you go that's now solidified in the rules of culture today Bo and Yang we have one of the world's greatest singers I can't even look her in the eye one of the greatest American treasures it's so funny

because you know on this podcast we say what was the culture that made you say culture was for you for me that was our guest and i met her when i was on her show i had to look her in the eye and say this might be a lot i might have a full-on breakdown and everyone watching is like mad hold it to get there we're gonna talk about this when we bring her on but both of you handled that so well when the cameras were rolling and i I'm sure before they were. I mean, this person is, and I say this with, like, full, like, context of, like,

what the culture was, like, how we were consuming things. Oh, yeah. She was Windows Media player culture for me. Oh, 100%. We were downloading, we were going, downloading, Kazaa, LimeWire, downloading everyone's, LimeWire down. We were getting everybody's, every contestant's Windows Media Player performances,

the capture of the audio on the show. We were like, let's, and then we're dancing around the family computer. The family computer. Remember those? Oh, remember the family computer? Oh my God.

It's Rural Culture number nine. Remember the family computer? Can I say one thing? This person is VHS tape culture for me because you know what I did was I taped on, thank you Fox, Fox 5. I would tape American Idol,

and then I would rewind the performance of You're All I Need repeatedly to the point where I can probably quote the pre-interview, the post-interview, the Dunkelman of it all, baby. The Dunkelman of it all. Which, by the way, was done dirty by that show, because we loved Dunkelman. Oh, my God.

He and Ryan and our guest, oh, my God, they all went on MADtv. They all went on Mad TV. They did go on Mad TV. So Bo and Yang SNL cast member famously liked Mad TV better growing up. No, no, no, no, no. Well, we're allowed to say it. We're not allowed to say it. He liked Mad TV better than SNL growing up. Okay, that's period. That's the biggest breaking news of the episode.

I can't believe we're talking about this and we have our guest sitting here and we're wasting her time. Okay, here's the thing. Her 10th studio album, Chemistry, is out now. When I heard the title, I almost jumped out of a window. Oh, yeah. Because she's speaking to me at the right time. Honey, my major in college.

Honey! Honey! His major in college! Chemistry. Chemistry. Did you know that? He was going to be a doctor. We'll talk about this.

Now he's on Saturday Night Live. And look, so professional, whispering on the mic, not coming in quite yet, but let's waste no time. Let's listen to this iconic voice say hello to us, please. This is insane that we get to say welcome to Las Culturistas, Kelly Clarkson. You win for best intro ever. I believe that. That you should take it in and let it just marinate. That was incredible. I don't think anyone's ever been more excited than we are right now. That was so nice. You held your together on my show.

Can I tell you something? There have been times in this very building where you, so get this. You did Howard Stern like yesterday, right? The day before. So there was a few years ago where you were doing Howard for Meaning of Life. And they had, you know, they had like the Howard Stern after show. So they had me on the Howard Stern after show because I'm such a huge fan. And literally there was a moment in the hallway where you were like walking out.

And I literally said, I mean, this is the moment where you could go up and like say hello. Like because you have a reason to, you know what I mean? You're doing the after show. You're not like, you have a reason. So just a rando. I was like, I could be like, you know, I'm here have a reason to you know what I mean you're here doing the after show you're not like you have a reason just a rando I was like I could be like you know I'm here for a reason I started to cry and couldn't do it I was like I can't and then sometimes even thinking about needing you I'll start to cry isn't that must be insane to hear you know it's like unbelievable like I don't when you're the person you know I get it as in like, I have people that inspire me so much. And for whatever reason, they hit at a certain point in my life.

And like, it's like a safe place for me, like musically or actors, like certain movies or whatever. So I get it, but you don't see yourself that way. It's probably impossible to fathom the impact that you've had. Because the thing is like, it is that thing where even just like the sound of your voice, like makes me feel comfortable. Cause I remember like, I'm sure you do. And like,

that's part of what we talk about on the show is what was the culture that made you say culture was for me, like that thing that made you, you. I just remember being 12 years old, a little gay closeted kid and watching you on American Idol. I told you an abridged version of this on your daytime talk show, which wins Emmys. I love this story.

I love the way that you frame this, but keep going. But like, I just remember like it was a very alone feeling time. And then just to see you succeed and watch America, like whatever this means, but like fall in love with you literally and choose you as this person that was going to represent. No, it's like an inspiring moment. I can take myself out of the moment and look at something, even if it wasn't me. I can see how, and it was the first season, I can see how something can resonate with people and especially depending on where you are in your life. That's what is important, I think. It's like smells, sounds, visuals, like all those things like come into place when nostalgia is involved. And that moment, like for anyone watching anyone win is, it's inspiring. It's exciting. Even on the voice, even if it's not a person on my team, like it's a really beautiful thing to, you know,

if somebody has achieved something, they work their tail off for, and then you get to kind of go on the ride with them. So it's cool. I remember just like, it's just so funny too, because now it's like we have a different relationship to like what it means to be like on a press tour. Like you're doing it now. But I remember after you won, it felt like you were everywhere, everything, everywhere, all at once. That's because I won.

It's because you were. That's because I didn't. You were literally on MTV. I didn't know how to say no. And I was so, I know that was so funny. I didn't know one how to say no. And I didn't, I know that was so funny. I didn't know one how to say no. And I was just new to everything. But they had me everywhere.

You were being dragged about. Yeah. And then overseas, which was kind of cool because they didn't watch Idol overseas. So it was like a different way as well. Like coming in to the industry, like in a different way from TV. Because across the world, they didn't see that season. Right. Oh, that's so interesting because

I imagine, and I feel like you've talked about this. I listened to your Glennon episode by the way. It was so incredible. I love her. I love them. Both of them. That whole podcast, that was so cool. I think you were talking about like there was a long period of time where you didn't realize

this, but like coming from, you know, Texas and like just being a hard worker, you kind of just like were along for the ride. And it took you a while to like step away from that and be like, wait a minute, like this is a little too much. I imagine that being thrust into that is like, you can't question it. Oh, I remember vividly one moment and it was, I think after I'd toured Breakaway, that album, like a couple of times and it just, I was exhausted. I'd had like walking pneumonia. They say I had it twice, but I just think I toured Breakway that album like a couple times and it just I was exhausted I'd had like walking pneumonia they say I had it twice but I just think I just had it once it never went away but anyway it was just

I was very exhausted yeah and they just pump you full of it you'll be fine with the antibiotic it's like okay maybe it means I should take a minute but anyway I was just very tired and it just hit me because I had just gone to like I don't know the store just to get literally I think it was milk for like a recipe for something. And it was a cool moment.

It was a woman. She was very nice, but just talked to me for like 20 minutes. And it was like I was exhausted. Like I had just gotten off tours. Like I just wanted to go home and make this thing. Like sit on my couch and not talk. Yeah. But you have to turn it on when you don't feel like it sometimes, because not that you're

trying to be fake that you just that you know that this moment means something to this person. Yeah. And like, just pull yourself together for a minute and like, you can do it and then you'll be home. But I think when I got home, I had a complete breakdown in my garage. Yeah. Because I had figured out like, you can't take it back.

Right. Like you can't, that was the thing I just kept saying when I was crying to my brother at the time. I was like, I can't take it back. Like it just is, you know,

you can't, you can't not be who people know who you are now. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think that was a really hard lesson or hill to get over. But for the most part, it's awesome. It's just those moments, you know,

that you're just exhausted. But I think that was a really good turning point for me. Well, especially because like the image that people had of you from the show and even throughout your career is like a very like excited, positive, you know, even like the daytime talk show version of Kelly Clarkson.

I mean, I am a very positive. And yes, but it's hard to be effusive all the time. Oh yeah, not all the time. Obviously not. Yeah, but it's hard to even like, I would imagine that it's like when someone comes up and they have this idea of what you're going to be, you probably for a time anyway,

like had this thing of like did I give them like Kelly Clarkson that's like a therapy thing too it's like that I've had to talk with my therapist about sometimes it's like separating who I am from like the person I want to give people sometimes and like I do think what's easy for me though is that because people are always like oh my god you're like exactly how you're on TV I'm like I'm i don't try in that sense like i don't yeah i mean if you're feeling like exhausted that's one thing of like putting your best foot forward i guess is what i should have said but i feel like i'm very fortunate i don't have like some created persona right like who i am sitting right here is who i'm gonna be tonight at my ranch like you know i'm saying like so it's it's just the same anywhere i go i don't

know i think it seems exhausting to try and be anything else. You know what I'm saying? Like how people do have a shtick they kind of put on. That seems exhausting to me. But with the daytime of it all, I feel like there's this register you're talking to people at where it's so intimate. It comes off as like you're literally you're in people's homes while they're going about their business. And to them, it's like an instant. That's the reason why people were so like invested in the daytime wars of like the aughts or whatever, the nineties. It's because as you're sipping your coffee, like you're watching Kelly or something. And I think that's

maybe something where people are expecting a version of Kelly Clarkson when they like come up to your, while you're just trying to buy milk or something. I should have explained that better. I don't even mean that I had to put something on. I just meant like, be the better version of yourself, not the tired version. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, like, I know you're tired, but like, just be who you normally are on a regular basis right now, even though you're not feeling it innately. But I don't know know even with the show like i was very upfront like i didn't even want to do it at first because i was like no one's gonna watch this because i think i grew up with like either journalists or comedians yeah like rosie was

rosie i love or oprah or even ellen like all those people like journalists like comedians like i was like what so i told them right off the bat i was like i don't even know what the formula is for daytime tv but what i'm gonna give you is me yeah and if it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't but i am not the person you want to hire if you feel like i'm gonna do something that's like even the cooking segment we make a joke out of it because like that is not something i enjoy doing sure so we make fun of you know we're self-deprecating about we like poke fun at things that people are interested in in the daytime

but like I am not generally like because I'm not good at it right but you're a baker not a cooker I am a baker okay

yeah and a cocktail maker because sweets are way more fun sure yeah do you know about like three years ago who you had on your show

was Tom Sandoval and Ariana Maddox do you know Tom and Ariana from Vanderpump Rules they came to your show to make cocktails. Yeah, I knew they were, honestly,

because I had gone to one of the restaurants and my friends gave me the down low on the whole thing. Can you believe? Wait, is that the one where they're not together

or something? Yes, you cheated on her with one of the castmates and they've been together for 10 years. With one of the castmates? Yeah. So it's like on TV?

Honey. So wow, you really are like off the grid when you're off the grid. Oh my God, that girl went through that like publicly. Oh yeah, Kelly. It's wild. And I was like, I don't know what this is about.

What kind of death of asshole, can you not do that off of, oh sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, you can say it, please say it. We said worse about Tom Stanton. I'm doing this because I'm agreeing. I'm like, oh honey. I'm like, oh my God, I'm allowed to say that word on the,

oh, I'm like, I just. This is a podcast where we say way worse. I'm like, oh, honey. I'm like, oh my God, I'm allowed to say that word. This is a podcast where we say way worse. I'm like, well, wait, can you just like not do it on camera? Well, the answer is when you're a narcissist, the answer is no, you can go to the depths of hell. Well, I do have experience. Yeah, sure. The way the transition is happening, we actually love when that happens so naturally. Organically, if you will. When you announced that this was called chemistry and your little breakdown of why,

I literally had to sit back in my chair because I've experienced this rather recently, which is like something feeling incredibly special. And the world just like turns on its axis. The stars are exploding. You didn't even know it could happen. Didn't even know it could happen and then you find out it's not what it seemed for xyz reasons and when you were talking about how chemistry can be the best thing that you've experienced in terms of the feeling and you feel lucky that you've gotten to and that you have to hang on to it because of course it's special of

course something magical right and then like all of a sudden you look at it from like the 30,000 foot view you get when you step outside of it. And you're like, that wasn't good for me. Like just putting that into that word chemistry and like it meaning both positive and negative things. Like that's really going to resonate. I know it has with me. And I just wonder like when did you decide that that was going to be the I know it has with me. And I just wonder, like, when did you decide that that was going to be the word and the theme? Because it's an anticipated moment, like, not only just for you as a person, but for all your fans and all fans of music to hear this from

you because you've been through this seismic thing. So I wonder, like, when it clicked that that was the way you'd introduce this to the world? Well, I didn't even think about the title of the album. It didn't come up for quite some time just because my label gave me the space. It was really cool. They were like, let us know when you're ready. Because I was like, I don't know if I'm even going to release this. I don't know.

I just don't know what I'm going to do. And they really were respectful and gave me space. So I literally just wrote a bunch of stuff for me to get things out. And then when it came down to picking songs, I kind of picked ones that I felt like were fair game because things had already been led out in the press that were out of my control. So like it was already out there. So I put anything that was already out. I kind of felt like was fair game. But other than that, I didn't put any of the others out. So it came down to these specific songs that you now have on the album and chemistry just,

I was trying to think of a word. What's the word? How do you wrap up this entire relationship feeling ride, like all of that. And it felt like exactly what you just said. It felt like, it was like, man, it wasn't all bad. You know some was really horrible but some of it was really special and like really hot and sexy and cool and like amazing and like oh my god not everybody gets to feel this in their life you know so i felt like that word kind of encapsulated like all of the feelings all of the stages of grief that you go through on it so yeah because chemistry it can it makes things it unmakes things it makes and breaks things yeah exactly

I love that it is this tapestry this like unlinear progression of like thoughts and experiences and feelings it's definitely a stream of consciousness it's perfect I feel like a breakup album especially as it's tied to like someone's

personal real experience can sometimes feel like a little album, especially as it's tied to like someone's personal real experience, can sometimes feel like a little bit of a calculated thing, right? You can't help. It's hard to avoid this notion that like. No, as soon as it's announced, people are like, when's the breakup album coming? Exactly. That's what's weird about it.

You know, same thing with Kacey Musgraves or Adele. All of us went down in COVID, but we didn't make it. You and a lot of other people yeah I know so it was like even like hearing people that I know and then they're coming up

and I'm like oh I wonder what that's gonna sound like like what are they gonna touch on you know it's not that we delight in that I think that it's just to connect with someone on a level

that you've been there like you've felt that and you're like cause that's there's nothing like even like okay happier than ever when I decided to cover that song on the show.

Amazing. Billie Eilish. A moment. Love her, Phineas. They're great. But it was different. Like I love her music and I've covered her stuff tons, but that song, like when I heard it and then proceeded to be a million of the views.

Yeah. You were exactly one million. Yeah. I was like, I, first of all, how dare you? This is my life. I was like, you know, I was like, wait, were you watching?

Did you come over? Yeah, it was like, that's why it's such a great song is it's so relatable. She was very honest about it. And I just, that song, Lucius has this album,

Second Nature, which really got me, it got me through it, man. And I just hope that my album does that for anyone. Because there's nothing like that. When people me through it, man. And I just hope that my album does that for anyone. Because there's nothing like that. When people go through things, unfortunately, tragedy usually bespokes some kind of art that is moving in a different way. Wow.

I mean, it really is true. And I think that's the part that as a huge, huge fan of yours, I remember when it came out that your marriage was going to end, there's this degree of heartbreak. And there's also this thing, because I remember watching you promote Meaning of Life, and you did seem so happy. And you seemed like signing with Atlantic. It felt like there was this new lease for you. It just felt like there was this watershed moment. And then when you think back a few years, like the piece by piece of it all, and now that song returns in,

you know, in rock, which is one of our favorite songs from the album. Yeah. And it returns in, it returns at the end. And I wonder like, what's your relationship to that music now?

That's a really good question. Cause I've even, we're putting the set list together for Vegas right now. And I'm like, I'm on the last night. Okay i'm like now that i know okay if you have any requests throw them at me we're still figuring out the set list for each night it's going to be a little different so um but saying that it's like yeah i don't want to sing that no you know because that was a very hopeful place and a place of projecting like what one wishes and when one hopes one didn't fall prey to again.

And I'm a very hopeful person and optimistic. And I honestly in that person, too, that I figured out, like you're saying, you can go through these experiences and like what I see is not always what is happening. And that's the really crappy thing, because I don't want to change who I am because I think it's a beautiful thing to see potential. I think it's a beautiful thing to see hope. And also, where's the line of like, have I tried enough? Like, I'm exhausted, but

like, is this worth it? There's just a line that everybody has to make for themselves, right? Is it worth it to sing piece by piece when it's going to kick my ass? But people pay it to come and they want to hear it. And people love that song and they relate to it worth it to sing piece by piece when it's going to kick my ass? Yeah. When people pay it to come and they want to hear it. And people love that song and they relate to it

and it's something special. So here's where I landed. Yeah. Which is, because I went from hardcore past to, you know what, for a moment in my life, you know,

I was pregnant with my first child and one, we're in a different place is very different so I'm going to respect that chapter and I'm going to respect what happened there and what I was feeling there is not lost that I did feel that and that was real at one point so that's how I compartmentalize sure and figure out what I'm comfortable with. So like, we'll still do it. But it's more so for like, not only fans, but for that girl that did believe wholeheartedly that that's what was happening.

And that's what I saw, you know? And I know that that's incredibly sad to think about, but you know, also it's real. It's like retroactively hopeful. It's like, it's real it's like retroactively hopeful it's like it's really compassionate towards that person that you were when that song was being yeah you don't want to diminish that's the thing too and it's like a breakup album or whatever it's like i don't want to diminish it down to just like the bad i mean red flag collector is real but it sure is it sure

is great you said i'm saying it. And I was already out there. But also, Favorite Kind of High is. I love it. And so is Magic. Love it. It's all real. It's just different stages. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.

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This is a question I've been thinking about with chemistry specifically is that it seems like you've reached such a peace and day resolution with like releasing the music. I mean, like we're talking to you like on the day of the release of the album. I've been watching and listening to your interviews where you seem like, oh yeah, like we've had these songs written for a few years now. Yeah. And I cannot but think like, well, doesn't that like prolong the experience? Doesn't that extend like treading water in this? And it doesn't.

So that's why i almost didn't release it because i was like i don't want to live in that dumpster fire anymore than i have to you know what i'm saying like and i've done a lot of work to get out of it so that is actually one of the reasons why i almost didn't okay but um it came down to i think you don't believe it when people talk and i don't know where you're at with what you were just talking about relationship wise we're good now we're on Lexapro and we got

flat out we're talking meds here we're talking meds I am even even we're actually great stuffed down my feelings for a minute

we had some bad mom Kelly but you know we're good hey look I'm gonna be very honest right now and I have not owned this. I wanted to ask, but I didn't know what was bound. No, here's I don't really generally have them unless it has to do with my children. But no,

I have never I've been so against it just because the things I saw in my childhood so against like any kind of form of medication making you feel like no, there's got to be a better way of like talking to someone figuring this out healthy. I don't want to numb myself. I don't want to like whatever. And then there came a point when it was, I think it was literally the last two months.

Like it was right before I ended one of the seasons. I can't remember. It wasn't this past. It was the one before. Whenever my divorce was happening, whatever. I feel like it lasted forever. But I literally, I was like, I looked at my therapist and I was like, just couldn't stop sobbing. And I was like, I actually had to cancel something the other day because I couldn't stop crying.

Yeah, I was like, I can't, I cannot do this. Like, and it was one of those things where I really had to put my bride aside and like all my childhood issues of whatever. And that's why I laugh so hard. I was on Lexapro for like, I think two months because I was like, look, I don't want to be on it forever. I don't want to be that person. I want to be, not that there's anything wrong with that. I just have issues with it because of my own things from childhood. But so my thing was, I just, I can't smile anymore for America right now. Like I'm not happy and I need help. And it was one of the best lessons because she kept trying to convince me. She's like, girl girl you're doing a lot and having to balance a lot and trying to put my best foot forward in front of my kids

like I was like I can't do it and so for like a couple months my life and it was honest to god the greatest decision ever I wouldn't have made it and tell you and then by the time you wean off of it it's like okay yeah like I handled what i couldn't handle then and now i have time and space and i took like the whole summer off yeah and i was like i need to take time to actually yeah and then when you can make a decision like that you judge yourself less you're less anxious about the ramifications exactly because you did something take care of yourself yeah which is always a good thing people i know and it just was always yeah just because there's some things that happen whenever i was younger i it's a thing for me but it was a really good lesson and like you need to

put your ego aside like everything aside and like handle something someone's trying to help you yeah listen especially as a creative person I think a lot of people that I've talked to are like hesitant to do something that's going to you know like you said numb you or make you less creative I'll be real the fact that now I can wake up and not want to like stay in bed all day because I have this now I'm more creative. Like I've had breakthroughs in the past couple of weeks. Like it's been like, and then I realized like, wow, maybe I was feeling like this for quite a while, even any situation that I went through.

And then you're like, huh? Like, I feel like I'm back in a way and it doesn't feel like I'm less of myself. Mine wasn't less of myself or creatively speaking. Mine was just because if you see something when you're a kid and you, someone's on something where maybe it was the wrong medication, maybe it was whatever. But like, it was literally like The Walking Dead. Like, I would watch people in my life and I was like, you are void and vacant of any emotion.

Like right now, that was a bad experience I saw, which affected me. Yeah, of course. But I think it was one of the greatest things. That's why I laughed so hard. I was like, boy, you know it. I mean, that's the thing is it's like, I say that because like, I just wish sometimes, and this is why I think people like, again, anticipate hearing from you through your music about the situation, not the type of thing where it's just like oh what was it what happened because

those aren't real fans but people that you trust in a way or look up to in a way because you have that connection with them yeah like the honesty helps yeah I mean that's what I feel like like with your Glennon interview like when you talk to Angie Martinez yeah you know what I mean like I'm incapable of not being honest. Yeah. So I think my thing though, the trick is I have to wait till I'm ready. Yeah, of course.

So like even with the label, I was like, I can't promote this yet. Like you're going to have to wait. Yeah, we have to wait. Like I can't, like I'll break down in an interview. You might not get through. And you won't get through it and there'll be no point.

So, and I'm already kind of known as a crier. So I'm like. I mean. Yeah. Pisces rising, Pisces cancer moon. I'm just like, I don't even know if it's a Taurus thing,

but maybe it is. What's this thing where you're surrounded by Scorpios? As a Scorpio, I'm so curious. I'm surrounded by Scorpios and Geminis. Scorpios and Geminis. I don't know,

I'm attracted to y'all. Oh, interesting. I don't know if I've ever dated a Scorpio. Oh yeah, I've dated a Scorpio. Interesting. How'd that go? No, not bad, not bad.

It's just better as friends. Sure, sure, sure. I yeah, I've dated a Scorpio. Interesting. How'd that go? No, not bad. Not bad. It's just better as friends. Sure, sure, sure. I mean, this is so refreshing though because people, you tell someone you're a Scorpio or a Gemini and they clutch their damn pearls and are like, what? Get away from me. And I'm like, what's going on? And apparently I'm like, magnet. Yeah. I think as friends,

if you understand that the boundary is, oh, better as friends. I mean, there is compatibility in that way where it's like some signs are more compatible for a friendship and some are more compatible for a romance are you into astrology I'm into like

everything like I think anything's exciting like I'm like I literally had someone come on the show and they somebody had given me

tarot cards and I was like so my mother told me that my grandmother was like into it I guess whenever and I was like really and I never knew anyone in my family and I was like oh so my mother told me that my grandmother was like into it, I guess, whenever. And I was like, really?

And I never knew anyone in my family. And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. And I just kind of for fun, like, it's like reading your horoscope for me. Like, I'm just like, I do the car. We do it for fun in our camp. So I don't, I don't like base my life decisions off it by any means. But I do find it interesting. I think it's just fun.

Yeah. And I think there's always like a little fun lesson to be learned. Even from a tarot reading, it's like you take what you want from it. Yes. But sometimes I feel like, I don't know if you grew up in church and I grew up Southern Baptist and it's like, if you hadn't been in a while or something, you show up and you're like, oh, are they speaking to me? Like you're like, the message was right for you.

So it's like when you read those cards, sometimes it's like you take it in and you're like, apply it to your life. You're like, this was meant for me today. And you're like, go off with it. Anyway,. So it's like when you read those cards sometimes it's like you take it in and you're like apply it to your life. You're like this was meant for me today and you're like go off with it. Anyway, I think it's fun. I'm not like hardcore. Yeah, right. Speaking of dating, I feel like I have to ask you a question that gets sort of lost in the conversation because here's the deal.

If you had said 20 years ago to America that you and Justin Guarini had dated during From Justin to Kelly, the world would have exploded. No, but what was it? After.ini had dated during From Justin to Kelly, the world would have exploded. No, but what was it? We dated after. You did it after From Justin to Kelly? Still, the world would have exploded. I feel like it was months, but it was just like, honestly, we could probably both

say this. We just were around each other all the time. So it was just like, hey. We're here. You're here. I'm here. And we experienced something very intense. And it wasn't like I won and I was the only one on the promo. Like,

Justin and I went around everywhere. Yeah, we just went on tour. Yeah, and then we had a horrible film and because I was

contractually obligated. Justice for Justin McKellie. No justice. There's nothing, you're getting nothing from me. I mean, look,

it's fun. Here's why. It's just because when you don't, when your goal has never been to be an actor, like,

they force it on you. It was literally, I bawled to try and get out of it. It was the most horrifying. I remember hearing you say when you won. Is this true? When you won the show and there's the moment of you like- My immediate thought. Are you serious? My immediate thought.

Was fuck. Because we had just talked about it, Jess and I, before we went out there. Because he didn't really mind. He loves acting. He loves like he's really good exactly like this is like his thing his forte i'm like this is not mine i hope you win because if you didn't win you didn't have to do it it was only so he elected to do it yes and so i was like he wanted like yeah but because he's into that yeah thank god he did because you had, like, a partner and all that. Yeah, no, no.

It was fine. But so we dated, like, for months. It wasn't long at all. But it was, like, a thing. We dated, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that would have, I can't believe you guys were able, this is how you know it was a different time that was able to be kept a secret.

I think we're just not good to tell people generally. Like, we're not those, like, it wasn't like we were like, oh, don't tell people. I don't think we ever, I don't remember ever having that conversation. Right. So was he being a little dramatic a few years ago when he went out on stage and was like

this song it's for Kelly you know I always remember that time he went out on stage and was like wait what song he sang a song

like a few years ago this is like but I remember like he got out on stage and I think maybe he was embellishing a little bit but he was like

yeah it's true I did have a relationship with Kelly and this is for her it's always gonna be something I remember. You know what I mean? I think maybe he was like kind of giving like.

His impression. Yeah. Lauren. Hello, Lauren. Oh my God. That's a Josh and Maureen. No, well here I will tell you this. Completely being honest.

At the time when we, I mean, I'm a better writer now, but like at the time when we were still in that show, the stuff he was writing was incredible really yes i'm talking like maxwell like he wow so talented and great but here's the thing is like sometimes and maybe he felt like he didn't have the leverage because he didn't win i don't know what the reasoning was we never really had this conversation but his stuff that he was working on was far superior to what the label had him record for his album like he was a far better musician and writer than he got to show on that first album of his it does suck because i do remember being angry about it like just personally

because i was like he could have really made an impact yeah i was like you're incredible like you know he was far more advanced like i'm a better writer now but like I was not that good like back then as a writer and so it was kind of a lesson for me too like and I think kind of helped me stand up for myself because I was like wait I don't want I saw what he was capable of and you did not let him do what he should have been doing that sucks yeah because honestly like I remember thinking at this time what would have happened differently you know what I'm saying totally because it was

really cool music really good I just remember at the time thinking oh all these people are going to be superstars even like

but everybody did everything I just remember they sat on that Tamira album for such a long time Tamira Gray was such an icon she's so amazing

I saw her on Broadway I saw her on Once on this Island. I saw her in Rent. Did I also see her in Rent? We saw her together in Once on this Island. Crushed. She's incredible. I'm still shocked she was like fourth or whatever.

I know, fourth. The upset. Even Nikki Godrest, she at the time had her own thing like i remember thinking there was no even nikki was floored we all were like oh you mean like for coming in third no no i just no i just mean like all of us on the set like the top five we were like wait what like yeah did did she just get kicked off the show like do you think there was some bullshit there or do you think that they were actually going by here's what i think i think this

is what happened with tamira. I have no actual idea. This is just me. Even like being a coach on The Voice and seeing how things play out with viewers and voters. Surely conjecture. Yes, conjecture. But I feel like people thought she was such a shoo-in. Like we thought she was going to win.

Like a lot of us thought she was going to win. I didn't even think I would at all. So like we were one of those, I think we were in a thing where everybody thought, oh, she's getting voted for, that nobody was voting because they thought she was a shoo-in. I think that people assumed

and they didn't really understand the power of sitting on that phone. Sure. I understood when I voted for you 260 times every single night. It worked. Stuff like that there. Oh, that's my favorite.

Duh. That was a moment in culture. When you sang stuff like that there, were you watching at the time? Of season one? I remember I was sitting there with my grandmother. And you were last that night on Big Bed Night, which was so exciting.

And I think is another reason why I think of you and like American Idol as the culture that made me say culture was for me, which we'll ask you in a second. Because you engaged. Because it made me realize there was so much music that was out there i mean like when you were singing aretha like then i got into aretha and i went into school and i had a teacher that would play us aretha franklin and i knew the songs because you had sang them and stuff like that but when you sang stuff like that there my grandmother was like i mean she should win she's the most talented i was like i think she

is gonna win but i knew you were gonna win after your line that was i'll tell you that was my Like, I mean, she should win. She's the most talented. I was like, I think she is going to win. But I knew you were going to win after your line. That was, I'll tell you, that was my prayer. I was like, I just wanted to make it to big band night. I had like seen For the Boys with Ben Midler. I saw that when I was younger and I was obsessed. Yeah, you were galvanized. With that whole, all the music from that.

And even we had to flip. So songs were not easy to clear back then. Right. That's why we sang a lot of Motown because that was a lot of the songs that would be available, which I happen to love Motown. So it was no problem for me, but it would be hard for other artists that didn't want to per se sing that. So it was hard to get songs cleared. So we often like we're flipping for songs if two people wanted the same thing.

And I knew that not one of those board i shouldn't say right now not one of those people knew what that song went i was like i literally asked just openly i remember going anybody ever heard of for the boys the musical and everybody had it and i was like cool then i'm not flipping for my song and y'all can fuck i was like i don't want anyone to fight me on this song. You don't know it. That's not fair. Yes.

So it was like, I didn't have to like flip for that one. So I was very excited. And so just the way you performed it. And there's these like little tiny itty bitty rumors coming out about you regarding Broadway. So now you're in New York. You're going to be up in the 30 Rock building with Bell and Yemi. It's one of the reasons why I moved here. Yeah. So this is is a real thing you might want to like. It's a real thing. I definitely have been working on something for like a year and a half already that I could be involved with or

don't have to be depending on schedule. But I am taking the year. That would a great one with Max's thing. Yeah. No, it's not that it's something like I've been doing on my own like that is not out yet. So and I'm not opposed to like any other ideas or doing other i'm not i just am interested like because i grew up in musical theater so my goal is this first year at least to get my family like established my kids happy in school like so i'm not doing anything right off that because literally i said it in one interview and then it went like everywhere because i think everyone wants it people are blowing up my agents and they're like we went on the phone i was like oh my god tell them i'm so interested but like not right at this moment because i just have other things to take care of at first yeah so that's one of the reasons why

i loved moving here yeah how are your kids doing in new york do they like it well so they haven't actually we ended in la with school and we spend summers at my ranch so in montana so he's through it's like conf, I don't know what it was. It was the top of the straw. Right. Montana. So anyway, so they haven't, they've been here off and on for like vacations or whatever, but they haven't actually lived here, gone to school here, done that. So that's happening right when they start school. So my son is very excited. My daughter, I'm still winning over. Oh, what's her hang up?

What's her hang up? It's not New York. It's the fact that she just has friends. Of course, she's at that age. Now my son is like, my friends will be fine. Let's go. Let's go to the Big Apple, boo. He loves New York. Love that.

And literally, I don't know why we've been here often, but like, it just was crazy to me. He was like, I think like six years old when he said like, just turned six and we were here for a promo thing and crossing the bridge to come in. And I was like, buddy, I mean, why do you like it here so much? Like, why do you like New York? So why are you so excited that you're here? And he was like, it's freedom. And in the car. And literally I felt bad because I was like, do you not feel free? Like where you are? Like what's happening?

No, in L.A. We're mainly in L.A. L.A. is tough. It's not for Remy. Remy was like, deuces. Remy's a New York name too. He's very excited. He loves the walking around.

He loves the kind of chaotic energy. He loves all that. Freedom. Freedom. I mean, I think you can tell River Rose that like, I think moving around a lot as a kid, as someone of that experience. Me too. Highly all that. Freedom. I mean, I think you can tell River Rose that I think moving around a lot as a kid as someone of that experience. Me too. Highly adaptable. Exactly. I think it kind of teaches you to be that

kind of malleable person and you get to meet different people. I don't know. You can easily pivot. No, we've had conversations and I've had a similar background to her. But you can't take away, you can't say, oh,

it's going to be fine. I'm like, I can't promise you it's going to be fine, baby. Like, it might not be, it might be hard at first. Like, I get that too.

I was like, so I'm not going to lie to you. I was like, but can't poo-poo on it until we try it, right? Totally. And it's happening. Like,

I'm a mom, can't poo-poo on it. Like, it's like how you talk to your children. I mean, wait, so would you ever,

so now that you are going to be up in the 30 Rock building, would you ever host? You should host SNL be up in the 30 Rock building would you ever host you should host SNL oh my god I'm not funny enough or cool enough to do that

let's be real about this no that's not true I really do know it's true you host a daytime talk show where you're charming have you seen some of the episodes

well if that's the bar we're going with then okay yeah Kelly you would be fucking great I don't know I don't know okay see you're being a little

you're smiling about it but I think there's this interest no I'm being gun try about it because it's a very different arena I do like live energy yeah but like y'all are incredibly gifted

because I have done skits or something like I've gone in there and done some skits and I'm like I enjoy the popping in and out yeah

but that's a big thing it's a big thing but I think you would enjoy just like the seat of your pants-ness of it all. Oh, I do like that part. You have so much live.

No, no, I don't mind live. I just mean like how y'all are with the cue card and the changes. I'm there all day as an artist. You're there all day like rehearsing before you see all the skits.

You see the ones that get cut. Right, right, right. Like you see, it's just ever changing. It is. And it's like, it's a little bit of a mind fuck. A little bit,

but I think like, I think you are perfectly situated, skilled, like positioned for it. Like I think you're literally downstairs. She's like, okay, okay.

This is like how, this is by the way, how they got me to do the talk show. I was like, I don't think so. It's going to be a smashing success. Not that funny. Yeah.

You know, one of my favorites on was Timberlake. I thought he did such a great, yeah, he was one of my favorites. He was great.

Oh my God, and Pedro, Pedro Casca. Oh my God. I love Pedro. Don't even start it on Pedro Casca. That hospital part

with the, oh my God. His idea. Which is brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Like he's funny. So funny. God, he was wonderful. He's your type. He idea. Which is brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Like, he's funny. So funny. God, he was wonderful.

He's your type. He's my type of guy. I like funny and, well, hot as hell. Yeah. Funny, hot as hell, huge. Simple. You're not picky. I don't have a, yeah, there's no limit here.

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What made you the person you are? Like whether that's like a movie, a musical artist, something that stands out that now you can trace back and be like, that was the beginning of me. It's a big question. I know. I know, but it's the question. Is this like the moment where you feel like you found your thing? Is that kind of it? Okay. So, okay. I felt felt like i could i don't know it was like that was the chair by the way not

no um i don't know i'm thinking of two moments like one one whenever i was younger and the first time i saw this is so basic but like it was when I first saw Sound of Music oh my god no I know I'm sorry I love it so much it's like one of my favorite things and by the way when my kids loved it I felt like a successful parent yes but I think that was one of the moments that I felt like just entertainment and just that world of pretend in that world like musically I thought it was magical and just that world of pretend in that world. Like musically, I thought it was magical. And like the relationship with the von Traffik, I just thought it was like very cool. But like for me personally, like a moment I experienced was honestly, I sang at this thing in like junior high and everyone was singing.

Like I didn't feel like special at this point. Like, you know what I'm saying? I didn't feel everybody had their moment to shine during this performance thing that we were doing at school. And I got up there, and it just was amazing. All my friends, just to be on stage in the same energy with all my friends, just loving to sing, picking songs, the art of all of it, figuring it out, who was the sequence of the show.

Choir culture. All of that. Yeah, it was very fun to me. And I got up there, and I remember it was Vision of Love. I sang Vision of Love with. Choir culture. All of that. Yeah. It was just, it was very fun to me. And I got up there and I remember it was Vision of Love. I sang Vision of Love by Mariah Carey. Cause why not? And I love that gasp.

I appreciate that gasp. Oh my God. I'm a lamb. I'm like a dyed in the wool. I'm a 100% lamb. The Butterfly album? Every riff do I know in my soul. Oh my God.

People ask me why I don't cover her. And I'm like, one, sometimes it's hard to clear songs and two, you don't want to because it's like, why am I going near that?

But the main reason is it's I'm almost incapable of not mimicking. Got it. You know what I'm saying? I grew up on it so much. It's like, if I sing like

She or Whitney Houston or like, it's hard to deter from the route I know. Because it's what taught you how to do it. Because it's what taught me. like she or Whitney Houston or like it's hard to deter from the route I know. It's what taught you how to do it. It's what taught me. Yeah. This is the Mariah song I want to hear you do.

Which one? My All. Oh my God. Are you kidding me? If you, if listen. I am. Oh. It's like.

Not a joke. I have full body. Oh my God. First of all. And hello, she is that sultry sexy in that verse. It's All. First of all. You chose my all.

Yes, I did. That's a real fan. What do you think that I'm some chump? I'm just saying you're going to come out here with emotions like a basic video set. No, no, no. I'm just saying that's a real. First of all, it gets a lot thicker and deeper than that. He's going to be like, do the roof.

I like looking in. I'm just saying. I've brought friends over to my apartment and put on like my record player i'll play like the butterfly i got really into like vinyl during the pandemic that was like the thing i started collecting yeah and then i played the roof for some of my friends that like didn't get it oh i was just like i can't be friends with you guys anymore yeah you don't get the roof remembered it's the pandemic we shouldn't be here anymore yeah I have COVID Mike sorry

I have COVID no mine was I just feel like it's an incredible thing too like this span of her career and the span of success like even her new albums

you still dig Caution is excellent period and I look Eagles in the Square like that whole like side effects that song came out

and I was like wow she had something to say people didn't talk about I Stay In Love enough. Uh-huh. She's so great. Are you in heaven right now?

These are your two favorite artists. And you're talking to each other. I love that that's why we could talk forever. And I'm such a huge fan of being her street team as far as her being

one of the best writers ever. 100. No one talks about it. They always talk about the songbird and I'm like, great, yeah,

vocals for days, obviously. But guys, name another artist that's that successful that wrote it all. Who arranges it? Arranges it,

writes it. A lot of our favorite artists, like, you know, I write a lot, but I don't write all of it. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.

Not even bashing myself or others but no shade it's just what an amazing woman yeah I mean that's like the thing and to have the number one Christmas song for like all time it's unreal by the way but Underneath the Tree is coming well thank you

we had a moment with Wrapped in Red the year it came out we did a whole sketch show called Pop Roulade Wrapped in Red. And it was every transition song was underneath the tree. Was underneath the tree. Well, thank you. It was excellent.

I was trying my best to like imitate what Mariah might do. You got there. Because it was actually more of a tie into that wall of, yeah, the Jules Fester. Yeah, the Jules Fester. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Please come home.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby, please come home. I couldn't think of it. Wow, forules Fester. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Please come home. Baby, please come home. I couldn't think of it. Wow, for a billion dollars. For a billion dollars. You know, Pitchfork ranked Baby, Please Come Home right below All I Want for Christmas Is You for like, you know, the top recent pop. That's the thing is it's like, it's not just that song.

It's that whole Christmas album. That's like the Christmas album. Can we talk about, I believe it's track number five. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. It's my number five. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. It's my favorite, Cold. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Oh my God, oh my God. Can we get track number five?

Let's see, let's see. I'll pull it up. I'm pulling it. Hold the phone now. Oh my God, it's five or six. I don't even want you to tell me. I'm going to get it. I feel like a letdown.

I'm not a lamb right now. I'm a loser. No, you're not. But while we're looking it up, did you listen to her memoir? No, without you. Christmas. I have it

oh no no no no wait um oh my god it's like my favorite is it is it miss you most at christmas time miss you most is the best look i love all i want for christmas is you but miss you most at christmas time yes how dare she yeah how dare she I have cried so many tears to that song. Miss you most. And I will say that song kind of hard candy Christmas and like the Carpenters are the reason why. Excellent. Merry Christmas to the one I used to know, which is on my last Christmas album. Oh, I love it. It's so good, Kelly.

But that's the origin story of that is like my life. But also like they opened up this whole world of like Christmas possibility with like new music like that, new music that hadn't been done in a while. It can be a Christmas song about something that is not Christmas. But I like all I want for Christmas to do. Of course. It's great. But Miss You Most is my jam. I couldn't freaking think of the name because I haven't had enough caffeine.

But yeah, I'm tired. Look, we're there with you. Oh my God, I'm going to cover that one this season. Yes! If I can clear it. Mariah, will you clear it? No, come on, Mariah. It's Kelly Clarkson. I just love Miss You Most.

Maybe she'll sing it with me. Can you imagine? She's like a Christmas queen. Have you met her several times? I've met her a few times. She's so... Oh my god, so the last time we ran into each other, I didn't even realize what I was doing because she's very warm and welcoming, so I don't get super nervous. I did the very first

time we met i said some stupid shit she also probably respects you because she's just very cool yeah like very kind and like i thought she took so much time and actually watched the videos for all the voice artists and i thought oh cool you're a stand-up like not everybody that comes here does that or gives a shit they're just looking to promote their stuff yeah i'm like that was really cool because I've been these people. So it meant a lot to me. So anyway, but she is very cool.

But the last thing, we were talking because I was saying something about like something of her. I was, you know, bragging on her. And she's like, well, we should write together. And I was like,

oh, I don't, okay, exactly. Exactly. But she said it and I, this is honestly like, I don't write in the same room with people. I have really done that twice in my life because I'm just not a vulnerable writer.

Yeah. Yeah. And so just sometimes I'm just like to bring stuff that you have done to someone. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like even this whole record, like if I'm like any song you see me on, I've pretty much written the lyrics and melodies just on my own alone. Like it's just so, but anyway, I start telling Mariah about my process and I'm like, did

I just, and then I walked away and they're like, do you realize you just kind of said no to like writing? And I was like, wait, what? And I was like, I didn't say no. I just was explaining. I just say whatever's in my freaking head. You probably went tunnel vision and were like... Well, and I was like, oh God, I can't write in a room together. And I walked away and my people were like,

do you realize that you kind of just like said no to my... And I was like, wait, what? We're the same. Cause I do this all the time. I didn't even mean to say that. I was just explaining. I was just so nervous. Just said bullshit. I don't even know what I said. Like I was like, what we're the same because I do this all the time I didn't even mean to say that I was just explaining I was just so nervous just said bullshit

I don't even know what I said like I was like I don't even know what I said it was Mariah fucking Carey that's why you don't know what you're saying I'm not sitting around with you ma'am you have like a billion number ones

so we got to meet her because this was so so funny we did a Peloton you know Cody Rigsby from Peloton so we did his Peloton class

during Christmas because Bowen was on. I was on as a guest. Like I was on the bike next to him and it was a talk show. And I had my Christmas special out. So we were like, we're sort of doing that together.

Mariah Carey came out and stood and did like a bit. I was like, if you tell me this woman walked on a Peloton. She certainly did not. I was like, I would die.

She stood in what had to be, I don't know, 48 inch heels next to the Christmas tree said, it's time. I was like, I'm going to die. She stood in what had to be, I don't know, 48 inch heels next to the Christmas tree, said, it's time. And then like, you know, did her thing. But when I tell you, she like had like a moment where she needed to get help getting down from the pedestal. She said, can you help me down?

Looked me in the eyes. They had put me in this one thing because they know I'm like a huge fan. I almost broke my leg getting out of the Peloton. I literally unclipped my knee out of that. I was like, huge fan. I almost broke my leg getting out of the Peloton. You're like, you're like, wrench. I literally unclipped my knee out of that. I was like, totally, totally. Can you imagine if she had fallen?

Because I was like, I'm strapped in. I can't. I was like, you better get the fuck out of this Peloton. I will claw the piece. I grabbed her hand and helped her down to safety. Yeah. So I helped Mariah Carey safely exit the Peloton. You saved her life.

I saved her. That's what this story is. That's what this story is. That's what this story is. Absolutely. She may not have gotten, she might still be up there if it wasn't for me. You're a hero.

He is. There's a hero. Oh, what a great mom. Oh my God. And I just saw her perform Hero at LA Pride. Music box. That album. Oh my God.

You know when I knew my dad was cool? When I saw that he had the Music Box CD. Do you know what? I have major daddy issues. Don't know mine very well at all. And he passed away. But I will say the one thing my father and I had in common was Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and Aretha Franklin. Really?

Because I came to visit him like once in my childhood. And he had noticed that I had Mariah in my Discman, my Walkman. Here we go. Anti-skip. Yep. And anyway, you can hold it sideways. And he started belting All I Ever Wanted. And he was like, oh, I love this record.

And he just started talking about it. And it was like the one and only time I had a connection with my father in my life. Wow, it was over Mariah. It was music and it was Mariah. And he was like, I love Whitney, Aretha. I was like, those are my favorites. I was like, what?

That's major. Yeah, we had something. Yeah, we had something. It's great to have something. read that I was like those are my favorites like I was like what so it was really yeah yeah yeah we had something yeah we had something yeah it's great to have something my dad loves Jimmy Buffett I love Margaritaville honey songs you know by heart I do the only the only English-speaking artist my dad knows and we know this on the pot is Cher and you know what if you're gonna just have one that's a nice that's a really nice too. If you're going to just have one, that's a nice, solid one. That's a really nice one. His dad will sing Believe. What's your favorite Cher song? Because you're going to hate me for mine.

But look, mine's Shoop. Oh my God. I love it. It's in his kiss. I just, look, I love it. I know it's for Mermaids. It's for the movie. The soundtrack.

It's not even like her epic songs. Mine's from For the Lonely. But I love it. This is a song for the lonely. Same, same. That's a really good one. So good. Because that album came out.

She's got so many anthems. I almost can't go near those But then again if I could turn back time Look not just me like to pick that To pick a favorite out of those If I could turn back time is like for all time That's a good karaoke song too You ever go to the good karaoke spots

That's true I karaoke'd last night I know I heard that you were shredding tequila shots And like singing I do not hook up Well and here's the thing no one told me like Really what I was walking into. They were just like, hey, if we throw a party and like fans are coming and it's released. And I was like, all right.

They invited us, but we were busy. We were so pissed off. So I came and then they were like, well, if you want to get on stage. And I was like, my voice is shot because I've literally been up at 5 a.m. every morning and working all day. And I was like, I was like, maybe I'll do harmonies. Cut to shredding. Cut to I'm like, yeah, that's why I have no voice today and because we have no monitor either so I was like it yelled like hear yourself but anyway but they somebody goes I want to do I don't know how to cup and I

was like are you serious I have not performed that song though in like over a decade I feel like you did that on SNL and you give an iconic riff at the end I'll never forget it I forgot it I don't wanna miss out yes it's just been a minute for me like for a lot of those songs I was like looking at

AZ lyrics AZ lyrics we love you co-written by Katy Perry and Longshot she wrote that one. Oh, yeah. I love. All I ever wanted is a special album for me. Because that was like when we were in college.

That was when we were in college. I remember going home, just being on the plane. That was before iPhones. Before like you could like straight, you know, download stuff. I just had that entire album on my iPod. And I listened to the entire album for the entire six hour flight. Yeah. Just I love that album so much.

You know what's one of my favorite songs. Yeah. Just, I love that album so much. You know, what's one of your, my favorite songs of yours? Ready. I love Ready. Oh my God. If you knew what that song was about. What? Could we find out?

Now? That is such a sad. Well, it's like, it's a really sad song. Have you, do you know Irvine? Yeah,

of course I know Irvine. It's kind of the same dark place really yeah so i'm ready now is really just like look i'm done like you can just take me like i yeah that song they were playing it during the bachelorette promos at the time literally i know but that song is actually literally about just like not living anymore are you yeah yeah because they really made it sound happy no i know that was my point yeah that i made it like how i wrote it was like kind of whatever but my i told my producer who's jason albert my musical director at the time icon or always i know 20 years now um but he when he found out he was like oh my god i love that song but now that i know what it's

about he was like i know now it breaks my heart when i hear the lyrics and i'm like i just remember skipping along on the streets of New York. I had just gotten into Tish. And I remember just being like, I'm ready now. And now I'm like, oh. I know. It's actually really sad. I always have my memory of that girl I was skipping in New York to ready.

And you won't take that from me, Kelly. You won't take that from me. Hey, but it's like sometimes you're sad, you know? Yeah, for sure. So, but yeah, I don't, I don't know that everybody really knows what things are usually about. Of course.

That's the cool thing about music though. You hear it. I don't know either for different artists, like that they write, but like, I think that's what's cool. You take what you need from it or what you see in it. Yeah.

I feel like you do that a lot though, where it's like a happy sound, quote unquote, but it's like, I mean, the lyrics are like, if you take a closer read on them, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is dark, you know, or the other way around. I'm happy and bubbly, but I think if you mean the lyrics are like if you take a closer read on them it's like whoa whoa whoa this is dark you know or the other way around I'm happy and bubbly but I think if you're able to experience like I'm just a passionate person either way yeah like so I can go real dark like but I can also be real bright so you know it's finding that balance bone this is this is this I think every singer should have a Glennon Doyle era. Should have a Love Warrior era.

Yes. Should have a Brene Brown era. I love Brene Brown. Let's get that. Did you watch her thing on HBO Max? Alice with a Heart. Now it's Max. I don't know.

I know. I'm like, what do you call it? Alice with a Heart. I have not seen that one. I've seen her TED Talks. The TED Talks are amazing. I drank a 20 milligram weed seltzer. Sat my ass down in front of Brene Brown, Alice with a Heart.

Ready to receive. Ready to receive. Ready to receive. Do you smoke weed? I don't smoke anything. Because of the voice. Yeah. I enjoy a gummy. You enjoy a gummy.

Yeah. But I don't, I'll never smoke it. I don't enjoy, I just don't enjoy that either. I tried like vaping once and I was like, this is horrible.

Well, vaping is like worse for your voice than even smoking a joint. Yeah. But I just meant like, I just, I was like, well,

I'll do a knock it to you try, but like, yeah, that's not my vibe. No problem. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all?

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. So just to ask about like your actual instrument, this is and I'm not being like, I'm not blowing smoke, but you really do get better as time goes on. Like, I don't know if you feel like your voice is capable and 100 percent agree, because I feel like whenever, even when I was young, like, that's the biggest joke between, because I had to watch something from Idol for some interview thing

I was doing. They were like, hey, can you watch this? We're going to reference it. And I went back and watched it and I was like, how did I win that show?

Oh, come on. But you know what? You know what the thing is? I just mean like, it was very different. My voice was very different. It sounded different.

Even like Miss Independent, like I wrote on that and like, even writing that, I remember when I first came out started singing that like the the verse to that was so incredibly difficult for me to reach yeah like the highs and lows that my range was just not what it is now like now it's a cakewalk but like back then it wasn't so I think the more you know if you don't use it you lose it like any you know muscle I guess but like but I yeah for me I 100% agree that my voice is

aged better I just had to ask because it's like it really does get I wonder if it's something you were doing or just like maybe just like as you get older just like you know your instrument better I think you know your instrument better you've tore you get a better endurance and stamina you and you also learn to say no you learn to

like no I'm not going to be like this whole trip I didn't really sing a bunch of places because I was like look if you want me to be talking everywhere you learn to like no i'm not gonna be like this whole trip i didn't really sing a bunch of places because i was like look if you want me to be talking everywhere you need to know like i'm an actual vocalist like i can't do that be waking up at 5 a.m and going to bed at 11 you know or 12 and then like killing it vocally like it's not gonna happen so we picked our moments of like what we were gonna do but like yeah you just have to know how to say no and and yes and also you know best because it's your literal voice and like what you were going to do. But like, yeah, you just have to know how to say no and yes. And also, you know best because it's your literal voice

and like what you're capable of. Yeah, and like everyone, because my favorite thing whenever I first started touring is like, well, this artist does four shows, four shows in like five days. I'm like, okay, cool.

That artist is dancing wonderfully. Yes. But that artist is not, not necessarily, couldn't do my set list in a dream world. Right, in a dream world right in a dream world because it's a huge set list

it's just like you know it's like that's a completely different artist that you just mentioned I was like which is a great artist by the way but I was just like don't compare me to someone

who's completely different and like miming basically every night I'm like I could do that too yeah right so they're now having us like wrap up

but we're absolutely not. We are getting wrapped up from like five different people. And what I'm saying to everyone is, it's going to be homophobic if you don't allow us to do I Don't Think So Honey with Kelly Clarkson.

So we're doing it. We're doing it. So everyone, cool it. Yeah, we're going to do it. What are we doing? What are we doing? So this is I Don't Think So Honey. This is our famous segment,

Kelly Clarkson. I like I Don't Think So Honey. That we do on our show, which is we, for 60 seconds, we rant against something in pop culture that is grinding our gears. It's a way to expel our demons. No one's gonna like

mine, but okay, go ahead. No, they're gonna love it. They're gonna love it. I'm gonna go first, then Bowen, then you. You start with saying, I don't think so, honey, blank. The thing. Okay, so this is me. Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey, as time starts now. I don't think so, honey, fucking with the ocean. Okay, I could have told you this years ago, honey. Don't go in there don't go down

there because i'm telling you what oh my god the submersible yeah duh of course that happened and god rest but also i don't care how many billions you have it's not a good idea i don't think so honey going down to the titanic wait can i tell you something no and also not for nothing but you know who i think was involved in this? The orcas. Because now the orcas are coming for the girls. I don't think so, honey, that the orcas are organizing. But yes, I do! Because we've been fucked up to the

orcas. Tilikum, we see you girl, wherever you're at, we represent you here tonight. God rest. Tilikum, God rest. I don't think so, honey, even going into the ocean. You couldn't get me in that submersible, in the deep end of a pool, let alone to the deep. Let Titanic be what it is. A great film and a grave site for people that should be left alone.

I don't think so, honey. The ocean and fucking with it. I don't even like eels, seals, fish. No, I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Eels, seals, fish. No. Wait, wait, wait.

I did see this thing on the Discovery thing. It was really cool. I think it was with Will Smith and he went down in like a pod net. It looked different than what they went down in. Will Smith, stay on land. No, I'm telling you, it was beautiful though. I'm glad he did it so I don't have to

and we got the footage. I don't want to do it. But I'm glad someone does it because it's amazing to see what's down there. They went like down where like, you know, people don't generally go. So that is cool. I see why people would want to do it. But Kelly, okay, right. But someone else you know, people don't generally go. So that is cool. I see why people

would want to do it. But Kelly, when I say this sentence, how do you feel? We know less about the deep sea than we do about space. I am, I am,

since I was a kid, I literally wanted to be a merambologist. Like, I love the ocean. Jaws did run that for me. But, but I,

I just, I love it. I think it's, it for me. But, but I, I just, I love it. I think it's, it's amazing. I do think exploring it is interesting, but in exploring it, respect, like with respect,

much larger than us. And like, you know, mammals count. Like, you know what I'm saying? I think we're destroying, you know,

a lot of Marine life, you know, so I think do it respectfully, but I do think it's interesting because you can learn a lot and you never know, like scientifically speaking, what could be helpful, you know? So I think do it respectfully. But I do think it's interesting because you can learn a lot and you never know, like scientifically speaking, what could be helpful,

you know, medicinally speaking. Like, I think there are things, like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. There's some, I don't want to do it. Like, but I want someone else to do it. So I have the footage. There you go.

Going down to the Titanic. Leave it be. Leave it be. We've seen it. Like just everyone stay on the land. And also like, did you see the video of what the submersible was?

It's like a Sega Genesis controller. Somebody said it looked like a PS2 or something. everyone stay on the land and also like did you see the video of what the submersible was it was it was it's like a Sega Genesis controller somebody said it looked like a PS2 or something it was they reprogrammed a controller for an Xbox

to control this fucking thing anyway wow okay okay this is Bowen Yanks mine is about this thing too alright here we go wow okay

this is topical culture this is Bowen Yanks I don't think so honey it's time starts now I don't think so honey these five people going to a fucking coffee shop right before they get on the submersible.

They interviewed the barista who talked to them, who gave them their coffee before they stepped into this little capsule. Are you talking about like who's gotta go? Well, yes, because you're giving these people cold brews before they go to the bottom of the ocean where they have a fucking toilet

a foot away from them. Well, they thought they were only going to be there for two and a half hours, hun. And these poor people, I mean, may they rest. It's awful. Lives have been lost, but you don't go to a coffee shop before even like an elevator ride. I don't do that. Or like performing

on stage. Or performing on stage. You gotta keep it all. You gotta keep it all together. It keep it all together. It's all about timing. It's all about timing. 15 seconds. You have to go on a fast before you go into these submersibles, I guess. And look, it's so sad what happened. This company,

Ocean Drive, whatever. Five seconds. It's because it's titanium and they worked in a carbon fiber. I don't know all about it. It's fascinating. It's sad. It's fascinating. because it's titanium and they worked in a carbon fiber into it. And that's why it crashed. It's fascinating. It's sad. It's fascinating. It's so, I'm going to say,

it's just fascinating. It's giving Triangle of Sadness. Did you watch the movie Triangle of Sadness? Did I love it? How? The scene that went on for decades. It was like everybody kept... Woody Harrelson is, I'm telling you what, that man is a The scene that went on for decades. It was like everybody kept... I... Woody Harrelson is...

I'm telling you what. That man is a genius. I love that. Them getting drunk with the captain. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't know what I was walking into. Like, I just was at home.

My kids, like, they're usually with me. But when they go to their dad's, like, four days out of the month, I'm like, what do I want to watch as an adult? And I was just like, oh, I'll just put this on. And then I was like, by the end of it, I was like, what the hell did I just watch? The greatest film of the year. It was so good. Loved it.

Okay. Okay. This is Kelly. No, no, no. No, we're going. She's getting it. I get to go. You will not take it from me.

And I understand, but you're being homophobic. Because mine is real. Okay. This is Kelly Clarkson's I Don't Think So Honey. Time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey.

Did anybody see Social Dilemma? Why are we all hooked to our phones? Oh my God i sound like an old person but it's just like why are we that interested in someone's coffee and what they're having like not you i just mean like like like why are we so interested in everybody else all the time why does everything need to be validated via a it's just sad it's a sad thing to live your life for likes it's a sad thing that we project on our children like why are you letting your children do this anyway do you live your life how you want to but it literally drives me nuts because I feel like it's just dumbing us down oh yeah it is I've done so much anyway I know I sound like a 40 year old whatever

no we need to hear it like like I like a 40 year old whatever I'm like over it I'm like 15 seconds okay whatever that's all I'm saying alright period

there you go that's one minute Kelly Clarkson said touch grass touch grass yes all different kinds period

and a gummy then people would be happy just don't smoke it I can't believe that you gave us so much time this is so cool thank you so much

for doing this thank you I can't wait to do it again I'm like in This is so cool. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. I can't wait to do it again. I'm like in New York now. No, I know. I'm just going to randomly stop by. I'm wanted. There is an open door policy for you.

Don't invite me. Mama will show up. Congrats on the album. Thank you. Congrats on the album. It's so good. Thank you. And we do end every episode with a song.

Okay. I am thinking of you in my sleepless solitude tonight. The cover starts there. If you want to hear that, hopefully, maybe she'll do it August 18th at Las Vegas when we're seeing her.

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