Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "It's Very Baseball Vibes" (w/ Abbi Jacobson)

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

Carcasses out, readers! It's time to overserve yourselves with cultch. Because Abbi Jacobson is finally HERE! The co-creator and star of A League of Their Own on Amazon Prime Video joins Matt & Bowen on LC to discuss the baseball of it all, re-envisioning a beloved classic, Gilda, classic SNL, Broad City, watering your friendships and D'Arcy Carden being really fucking good. Amongst a whole host of other things! It's one for the books! A home run, if you will! A grand slam! A world series!!! You get it. xoSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you get your podcast presented by Capital One founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports look Matt oh I see my oh my look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow ding dong Las Culturistas calling Bo Matt. Las Culturistas calling. Bo? Matt, you were saying to me right before our guests joined us in the Zoom that you were... As I wipe away tears. We'll get to that. We're going to get to it.

Before, you said you were over-served last night. Oh, yeah. I was over-served last night. I went to drag the musical in Hollywood. Starring Nick Adams and Alaska and Alaska and Jan and all the, all the girls were, were tearing it up. And I also should also say the true gag was that Joey McIntyre of new kids on the block was in it.

And I was like, and looking good for sure. First of all, but to sort of the big headline is I was really over-served. And so I woke up this morning feeling, you know, sort of that malaise, that hungover sort of spirit. But then I was truly lifted out of my funk by what can only be described as the season finale

of the show that was, sorry, but created by our guests. But we're going to get to it. We'll get to it. I think you might be someone who... Okay, here we go. Prescribing. No, no, no. You are repopularizing the word over-serve. It's one of my favorite things to say.

And I think it's perfect. I have not heard anyone but you use that word. It's very much carcass out. It's very Dorit Kemsley. And can I say last night, I ordered a Belvedere on the rocks. Carcass out? Not carcass out. I ordered a Belvedere on the rocks. Carcass out? Not carcass out.

I just, I did a vodka, I did a Belvedere martini with a lemon, but the carcass was in. Okay. With the carcass. With the carcass.

Carcass was at the party. I'm very curious for you to order something carcass out just to see if it works. If people even get it. It seems to work every time it's captured on camera on that show

and i'll have the carcass out thank you you can take the carcass out i'm just like what it's so funny oh but what i love about saying you're over served is it places blame elsewhere you understand so it's not you that served yourself i was overerved. It's sort of when you get the vapors. You understand? I was over-served. Yeah, it's a little passive voice, but that's okay. It's a little passive voice for you. You as a writer should know better, but here we are.

Well, speaking of writing, have you seen... Well, current events are happening as we speak, of course. As always. And did you see that it's become a meme taylor swift's role in amsterdam the film though she gets hit by a car well she doesn't get hit by a car because she gets pushed in front of a car and is run the hell over by a car and she screams like this she does a bow and yang scream do it she goes it's like really intense and crazy oh my god it's a whole bodied bow and yang scream and you know what i'm talking about, it's actually a perfect segue into our guest.

Oh my god, it is! Is it not? It is, Bo! Because, can I just say, first... That was your Star is Born moment. That was your Lady Gaga Star is Born moment. That was my shallow and Abby and Alana were my Bradley Cooper. That's actually amazing.

Your story is so textured and rich, Bo. I remember this day like the back of my hand. The day that I walked onto set, a little show called Broad City. Legendary. The first thing I ever booked. Yeah. And I did a scream on my first job.

Unbelievable. Lucia Aniello directed, got to tell her that I was a huge fan of Polly Lou and Real Housewives of South Boston. Remember Real Housewives of South Boston? Of course I remember. Oh my God. And it was one of the best days of my life. I took myself out to Rice 2 Riches after I rapped.

Had to cancel on Joel Kim Booster because we were both doing it was it was some show oh my god the ghost of our past joel kim booster wow what a ghost in our past what a ghost but um god i mean i knew to like bottle that day up and i can just uncork it uncap it thank you so much legend thank you so much mama thank you mama okay so anyway you you just watched the finale of A Leak of Their Own on Prime Video. Oh my god, my carcass was wet with tears. The carcass was in, out, sideways. The carcass was in, out, all around. I'm telling you.

First of all, it's been very baseball vibes lately. Can we say? Did the Mets win last night? Honey, yes. Wow. They did. We don't talk sports on Lost Coach. We don't talk sports on Las Colas. We don't talk about sports.

Shout out Lin-Manuel. Shout out Lin-Manuel. We love you. Wait, can we say there was a sort of Mets game that went for five hours? I can tell you, the crew at SNL was glued to the screen during the cold open. I was about to walk out and I go, guys. Guys, I'm about to perform. I'm Bo Nyang. I said, guys, you should be

catering to my every need. But I was supposed to go to the Mets game on Monday and we got rained out. Oh, damn it. And that's one of the worst things that can happen at a baseball game is a rain out. Absolutely. Get it. It's so demoralizing. So demoralizing. Really ruins the whole day. It ruins the whole vibe. It's actually rule of culture number seven. When a

baseball game is rained out, it's so demoralizing. It ruins the whole day. It ruins the whole vibe. It's actually rule of culture number seven. When a baseball game is rained out, it's so demoralizing. It's so demoralizing. It ruins the whole day. Well, listen, Bo. It's been very baseball vibes because the playoffs. Congrats to the Mets, I guess.

They continue on. You know I used to be a hardcore Mets fan. Matt Rogers wrote an entire sketch about David Wright. Period. Period. My first sketch I ever wrote. Comedy sketch.

Isn't it funny that in this episode, we're sort of Hilary Duff going back to the beginning. Back to where the sun, the stars all aligned. All aligned. Yeah, for sure. This is what I love about Bowen Yang.

Always knows the Hilary Duff lyric. Period. I mean, what else? What else do you need in a best friend? Anyway, this series, A League of Their Own, which was actually based on the classic film of the same name. Oh, based on the historic Rockford Peaches. Period.

Maybe you've seen the OG film with the iconic Jamie Davis. Lori Petty. Lori Petty. Thank you for, because there is Lori Petty erasure. Sometimes you don't say Lori Petty first. And sometimes you can say Lori Petty first. you for, because there is Lori Petty erasure. Sometimes you don't say Lori Petty first. And sometimes you can say Lori Petty first. As Kit? As Kit. One for the books. Okay, and can I say

there was a moment on Lost Culture where it was a before I watched League of Their Own and an after I watched League of Their Own. The film. I'm saying the movie. Oh, yeah. Well, that's like an unacceptable blind spot. It was one of the first things I watched in the pandemic. And I was like, I completely get, like, I was like, I feel like i'm a kid i feel like it's the 90s i feel like i i feel like i saw this in the theater i didn't let's get facts facts let's get actual because you would

have been sorry but one year old just to date you would not have been let inside the theater no you would have been way too young but what what what's so great about the film is it lives on. Okay? Yeah. And so basically, this series, which you can watch now on Amazon Prime. Excellent series. It is so good. It also,

not only does it star and was created by our guests, but it also stars, I mean, this podcast single favorite person, Darcy Carden. And I have to tell you, yesterday on Twitter, Darcy posted a photo of herself and our guest, and I retweeted it with little horny devil emojis. Returned to Twitter, there was an explosion. People acted like, oh my God, is this happening?

Is this person a guest? And I was just like, like wow people are clamoring and then i realized yeah because it's a moment in history it's a moment in history our guest on calls can you believe that no i don't believe it i'm so i'm so present in this literally here my carcass is so alert carcass gone carcass present living body is in can we just say this is a major you know our guests obviously from the series of league of their own if you haven't watched yet you absolutely must and of course iconic broad city amongst other things i mean this is just it's a it's a moment bow it's a moment and we're so excited she's here. Cracking my knuckles. Crack your knuckles. Everyone, please welcome

Abby Jacobson! Wow. Guys, oh my God. That was so hard not to, I was like giggling. I, yeah, love that. Love the intro, love the whole carcass out.

Love it. We're happy your carcass is here. We're happy your carcass is here. Because also, not for for nothing but while we were speaking i found myself smiling and sort of having a fabulous time because i saw you smiling and you have what's called a star's smile you are literally a fucking superstar in this show you're so good in this abby wow thank you truly means so much from you guys i have been very nervous for obvious reasons about this show oh what i mean and i caught it's your thing yeah yes the most potentially one of the

most biggest films beloved films of all time yeah absolutely yeah so i'm like let's see what happens yeah what did it this is what i wanted to ask what did it feel like when you got to set and saw you guys all in the outfits that had to be psycho oh it was it was wild and we built a stadium yeah we built a stadium because it has to yeah because it has to be you know 1943 stadium i mean we did the pilot in los angeles and even then we're not in the peaches uniforms but we're all in like tryout gear yeah like the pilot uniforms and you're it's so bizarre i mean i always felt that way on broad city too like even just like being on i'm like what are we doing like what am i doing on this set i know but that is just bizarre you're in like old-timey yeah because this this is a

different process i mean first of all the process from going i have an idea of where this scene should take place or what the what this plot line should be and then like the the moment from that to when you walk onto a set is like so bewildering to anybody especially like i don't know like and i feel like it's this different layer that i haven't like i feel like doing period is this whole other layer on top that i like don't have any insight on what was what was it what was what surprised you the most yeah it's very very different like i mean on broad city it's you you guys could imagine it's like we're gonna you're in new york and it's like us amplified and we're wearing like, different clothes. But like, you know, it's very, like, easy to imagine, like, we're in New York, exactly. Do we want to be? And this was like, I mean, so Will Graham asked me to do this with him. And we'd start we were. Yeah. And we've been working on it since 2018. so it was like a very long time imagining yeah what it would be and then you also there is no i'm so used to being like location driven and

where that will be and like this is just like we will make it up like someone will build it that's so not my yeah it's a whole new ball game period and that's where the baseball it really is in the air about that's where it is were you a baseball fan or were you like or did you have to become one like because it's very baseball league of their own very much so if you don't know

the game it would be tough yeah I mean I know the game I played softball as a kid I'm not like a huge fan like truly you guys talking about the Mets. I'm like, yeah, no, no. I know about the big game last night. Yeah. Don't I'm not. Yeah. But I, I used to go to a lot of Philly's games as a kid.

I'm from Philly and I, I mean, I've been to a lot of games i knew it and i love the movie and i think i played a lot of sports as a kid so i like the team aspect and like this world that we're in is very much team driven like film and tv it felt very meta yeah like i can i can take my experience of like team and and be on this team. But I did learn a lot about baseball. You looked very natural playing. Everyone did.

You have the swing. You know what's funny? My dad is a baseball coach, and he was for years and years. Yeah, so my dad was a varsity baseball coach. And so I played for years. And there's these little things i remember like foundationally about like stances and like how to hold your arms and like swinging and i was watching and i was like everyone really did get this right like it's a very lived in like authentic baseball playing that's great to hear because that was sort of like you know when you're casting darcy's actually really good uh-huh yeah of course yeah but i mean you know there's a lot of people that i was friends with that we cast and a lot of people i didn't know but

we you sort of had to the acting trumped i don't even like using that as like a, I know. Right. But we are, yeah. Overshadowed. It was more important than the baseball actual skills. So some, some are better than others. And we did, we did a lot of training with real players so that whatever position people were playing, they like had the, they had the stances and they could,

could feasibly look like they were doing it. And then there were devils and there were visual effects. Yes, yes. But it all looked, I was like, oh, Kate Burlant can really swing a bat. Kate was a loon ball in the show. Great.

Kate, Shelby. How good is Kate? Oh my God. The finale. Kate, the growth of that character is so necessary. She's like the stakes for that character is like so necessary. She's like the stakes for my character. The like sort of immediate stakes.

There are worldly stakes, but I just love Shirley. I mean, she's amazing. What a great character. And so that's another thing. I misnamed her Shelby. I'm so sorry.

Oh, listen, I actually didn't. I thought you were talking about someone else. Shelby. I'm calling myself in. Okay, sorry. Call yourself in.

Call that carcass in, honey. Oh, wait, wait. Carcass in. But wait, I mean, yeah, for Shirley and Carson to have this interpersonal. Loved. To have the stakes be interpersonal like that rather than global. Because the global stakes of it are like very very apparent and obvious to anybody watching and who understands like what queerness is you know or like what it was back then and like it just it just made it so so so clear and so easy to track

and very emotionally i don't know just like very very powerful and like and just yeah not to spoil too much but there's a there's a moment at the end in the finale where it all sort of comes to a head in a way that's so like it's so funny comedic so true and true and like yeah and just like relieving in a way that i'm like oh with the yeah yeah yeah yeah you just gotta love it everyone's fight for that scene really it's so funny where i'm like this is important she needs to be, I don't want to reveal it because it's like, she's doing like such a dumb thing. Or like such a basic thing. But I'm like, no, no, no.

This is like her growth. This is so dumb, but it's so personal. Yeah. People who have not watched it are like, what the fuck are you talking about? So watch it! Basically what we're saying, everyone, is a character is set up and guess what? It pays off.

And you're going to love the way you look. I guarantee it. But what I really wanted to compliment you on and this whole show on was that sense of danger. So basically, for everyone that is aware of the original film from 1992 it's really um it's it's a beautiful film but it sort of doesn't really get into the reality of like the fact that many of these women were likely queer and like we're dealing with the sort of moral question of how far do i step into what i want to do and what my talents are, what my gifts are, what my instincts are, what my humanity is, and how much do I literally play by the rules of the

world that I'm in, which is, you know, I'm married, women are expected to do certain things. And basically what I loved about this show is that when these women do start to act on their queerness or start to respond to the call in their body to, like, you know, follow these urges and these instincts, the door every whisper it just it was so present throughout what a difficult experience being queer was at this time and being a woman at this time being a person or a black woman at this time you know it's incredibly um it's it's just so present in the entire series and you never lose sight of the fact that these women are risking so much just by being who they are every second well i'm so happy you saw you you felt that and we were really trying to make sure that was felt because it's also like that's still the case in so many

parts of the world like we're living in a uh i often feel like my ability to be openly queer is like i take it for granted and i in doing this show i was so like right right right right right you know like constantly like um we're very lucky to be alive right now i think and yeah um but also we're really trying to show that danger and the stakes and what the world was like and what was not allowed while also showing the joy. Because like being queer whenever you have been alive was also so joyous. And we all we found each other, you know, and so it was like trying to juggle both those things. There's a line I think that like it blew my mind it's birdie top basic there's a character named birdie and they're talking to their sister and basically are saying

um the sister is saying i just wanted to keep my daughter safe and then birdie says safe isn't safe for some of us and that just like it's that's it's all right there in that line, I think. And like, that's like woven into the entire show. And it's just so wonderful. And you guys, yeah, like Matt said, captured it so well. Thanks, guys. Is it renewed? Is it? Yeah, do we know?

What's going on? No, we have no idea. Television is at absolute hell right now. Television is incredible. It really is. I don't know i'm also yeah i've never this is like it's amazon it's like decided by men in the sky like i don't know where are they even yeah i'm like they'll let us know it's like you know all the people we

directly work with are like we love it we want We want it. And we're waiting for like the message to be like sent down from like Seattle. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever these people exist. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's tricky.

Also. So you've known Darcy for a while, obviously. Did you know Darcy prior to Broad City? Like, did you guys cross past a bunch at UCB? Or just in the scene? We met in a commercial acting class. Thank God. So that's how the skills were accrued.

Well, I mean, Darcy had said this during our press run so much that it kept cracking up where she was like, I knew Abby and I thought no one will ever see her. Like no one, like she says it better than that but like i was so shy and not confident as a performer and couldn't really find my way at ucb which is why neither could alana which why we created brown city because we were like i guess we can't perform like we can't and like we were auditioning for commercials and it was just like not we like weren't i don't know and we like created this thing over here um but darcy and i were in this acting class you know one where you were like read you'd like read the copy and

everyone would like watch you read the copy of the commercial and then like dissect you and like and then you had to write one one week and come in. And I did this really weird thing and no one got it. And Darcy was like, she's brilliant. Wow. She's brilliant. And no one will ever see her. Yes,

exactly. No one will ever know. Yes. Well, I have an honest question though. Okay. So like meeting Darcy aside, do you,

do you feel like that was worthwhile at all that that yes that that like like as because it sounds mortifying and i go i i don't know like would you would you go back and do it like like if you had to do it all over again i guess me i guess i would because it it all these classes and all this like effort yeah that i was putting into like try and do what i thought like the performers at ucb were all like the way in which you like were successful it like built up to me being like fuck this like yeah i'm gonna go over here and do do this with alana because so i guess i needed to do all those things i don't think it helped me get a commercial

right right never once in my life do you see me on commercials no you know what they always said in commercial like commercial acting or whatever is like it has to be so small and thrown away like I remember like you literally go into if anyone ever listening ever auditioned for a commercial

like this or didn't this is what it is you go in you say one line with no energy and they're like, perfect or terrible and then you leave and you don't know what it was that you did or didn't do. It's so stupid. It's the worst.

They line you up. I did like two in my life. It's the worst and I'm always just like, I'm not wearing the right thing. It's so much about the look or yeah yeah i i don't know it it really feeds it's like i was it's almost like a version of cutting is like auditioning yeah for me or you're like well this is just mean

like getting affirmation i shouldn't be doing this but wait okay, okay. And I don't know. I don't know how long it's been since you've heard this sentiment though. And I feel like you guys got it so much like during the show, during the TV show Broad City, but it really was this like paradigm shifting thing of you and Alana like working,

venturing outside of like the parameters of UCB because I think like it was this you know i'm grateful for ucb i'm grateful for the time i spent there in the classes i took um i i could never hack it into the house teams there myself but but i felt like i felt a little bit braver going out and doing my own thing because of you guys do you know what i mean oh man that's like it like it really it really opened up, it liberated this thing. It, like, took a hammer to, like, not the system, but just, like, the concept that, like, you needed this one place in order to, like, elevate success into some other level.

And, like, I never, like, once Broad City was fully out, I was, like, and then, you know, I was just, like, oh, great, like, well, like, I can do my own version of this. It's not going to look exactly like that. I'm not, like, I don't think I'll have my own Comedy Central show I was just like, oh, great. Like, well, like I can do my own version of this. It's not going to look exactly like that. I'm not like, I don't think I'll have my own Comedy Central show that I like starred or EP or write for. But like, I can try to like weave through and dance around all these other things. I love that. I mean, that's, that's like, that makes me feel so good.

And I'm so, I mean, I don't even know what to say. That's part of the legacy i feel it really is no i love that because it really was for us like we were never trying to do that and like us even getting the show i think we thought we'll do the web series and we're like maybe get hired as writers again like the confidence was never there that like real real star because like i can't even do a reese pieces commercial successfully in a class. You're trying to work at all. You're just trying to do anything.

Reese's pieces. Like what is that? Every anyway, like I can't even. Yeah. So that was never, it was really just about, you know what it,

it gave, if anything, what I'm hearing, which I hope is like it unleashed like wait maybe my voice is actually different and funny enough to like make a thing that doesn't fit in here yeah and that's like what we were like whoa let's just let's just like run with what feels right like you're just going with your gut when you're making your own thing yeah and i don't know like over here i felt like we're trying to conform yeah yes every single thing you do

adds up to like the totality of who you are and like gets you going that's why i asked about like the worth the worthiness the worthwhileness of the commercial audition class because it's like you it is worth it it is worth because you met i, let's just, I mean, there's no way to separate the Darcy thing from it either. Exactly, where I'm like, that, and Darcy's been one of my best friends for, that was like 15 years ago, and Darcy was on Broad City, and like, Darcy is just like

so in my life. Listen, I didn't I didn't ever really be like, think I would write a thing where I'm like falling in love with Darcy, but also, everyone is in, like, isn't she the, everyone that be like think i would write a thing where i'm like falling in love with darcy but also everyone isn't like i mean isn't she the everyone that darcy needs you love her you can immediately fall in love so when we were writing that i was like that's that her that's the greta like she's got something about her that luminous yes yeah she is an avalanche of charm it is so crazy i know i know

but yeah i guess darcy alone take the fucking class yeah period she should be teaching the course she should have said the teachers carcass is gonna be out carcass out have you ever heard of carcass out no No, I'm trying to... Piece it together? What's your guess? Okay, this is like insane. I'm like, is this from a reality? I almost am like, okay, is it from a Housewives where they're like, I want the roast chicken carcass out?

Okay. Very close. Very close. Okay, it's like a meal where they're like, please remove any remnants of like, that it's like an animal where they're like please remove the any remnants of like that it's like an animal or something not a meal a cocktail and guess what you were moving the carcass is the lime yes yes so the lemon yes there is a carcass out yeah exactly oh wow okay there's a wild though right yeah it's kind of like a wild thing for

someone to order that kind of is fun completely insane just just going to any establishment and saying carcass the word carcass is only describing roadkill to me like i know like it's so awful and like it's like this altogether like pretty chic woman named dorit who is the one doing it and she has like this weird fake little brit named Dorit, who is the one doing it. And she has this weird fake little British accent she speaks in. So the show is obsessed with her ordering drinks because she goes, I'll have a kettle soda and squeeze a lime and carcass out. Thank you.

Of course, carcass out. It's so good. It's really. So I'm just saying we should all go out and start ordering this so that we can serve watch servers be like excuse me also i was i was like thinking about i was like are you saying i think you're saying over served like i've been over served alcoholically like like in terms of alcohol but then i was like maybe he's talking about like i was over served like attitude oh by someone i love that mama she over served me last night let me tell you yeah yes of course i mean that could i'm gonna start doing that yeah when i go out i'm ordering drinks the carcass out and talking

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what i mean like no one's going to be like well i'm gonna watch this with no opinion like people know i felt like people were like let me see how you like ruined my favorite thing you know but it's i think when you watch it you're like it's very different yes right yeah just to establish that it's such an intentional way it's like a different thing yeah it really is. And all that aside, so we ask every guest that comes on the show this question and Abby Jacobson, we are asking you now. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

I'm going to say and this is like I'm going to say Bowen, it was SNL. Wow. What era? So i used to watch i mean i was very on like i was like doing the characters of like um uh like the cheerleaders and uh that was like my middle school but i was like i'm like gilda gilda like i would watch

reruns with my parents and like old like when they would replay i was very like cast of 76 yeah sure i was like og and like gilda live i was like very like gil like i don't know snl was my parents favorite show they would like get high and eat donuts when they were like young and like like falling in love is what they told me and then it was like such a big deal to us right yeah i yeah so it was very much snl so 76 was that was that like the new orleans i mean i wasn't alive well no i know but like just to be well versed in that i think it's like the first year right yes 75 76 and then i think new orleans was like the second season or something i like whatever like there's one episode i think i mean they went to new maybe i'm not no no no i know isn't it isn't it the only

time SNL hasn't been in new york was for this new orleans episode and it was the second season after like after like the original, like not ready for primetime players, like blew the fuck up. Right. And like, they were mobbed in the streets of New Orleans. And then Lauren was like,

we're never doing this again. And anyway, but Gilda live. Okay. So have, I think I might've talked about this on the podcast. I fall asleep almost every single night to touch me with my clothes on. What is that?

Honey, touch me with the clothes up. It's the song that Gilda sings in Gilda live. yeah it's like the sweetest love song and it's a little dirty wait it's by um it's by it's it's a it's a cover i think it's a cover it might be a cover i think where i'm confusing it with like she sings like the animals the animals let's talk to her the animals she does that at the top of the show gilda live is just it's touch me with my clothes on like yes it is honey parentheses yeah yeah yeah um just the sweetest and she like opens the song in gilda live by being like whatever i'm not like i don't mean to like school anybody on like gilda but it's like it is so it's crazy how timeless that is like how there will always be a place in people's hearts

for that no matter what age they are or like you know like what their sensibility is like gilda is gilda had that thing of just like you're gonna love her you're like you can't you can't put up your you can't put up too much of a fight against like the gilda charm of it all yeah because it was so and i mean maybe that's cliche of me to say is like my pop culture thing because it does it was just like snl as a whole and then gilda sort of like later when i i mean i we had to like build we had to paint for this class, like our heroes. Yeah. And they were like going to be in the library. And it was like people, like no one knew that was my age. I was like 13.

No one knew who Gilda was. My dad like helped me make a life-size wood cutout of Roseanne Rosanna Dana. And she was in the library like next JFK or everyone else's person. Where she belongs. I know. I know. But yeah, I don't know. SNL as a whole.

And I performed coffee talk a lot. I was really obsessed. I think the tape still exists of me doing Linda Richman. Yeah, that was really one you wanted to jump into. It was very, if you ask anyone I grew up with, they would probably identify my cultural thing as being that too. I'm just saying, it's so

like Saturday Night Live, it really does have this, it's monoculture. I mean, everyone knows it and exists with it. And I think that's part of what, I don't know like it's it's interesting that truly every single person like has like a formative thing with it and it's just it's funny because obviously bowen being on the show now i've gotten to obviously go i'm sure

we've all been and it's like it's so fascinating because it's so much of that building that you think they would never, ever do this again. You know what I mean? No show is ever going to come around and get that much budget time, attention, the mythology of it. Like it really is like it's history,

not only because of its cultural impact, but also because of just the magnitude of the operation. It is just, it is never to be duplicated. And that's something I think that's really sunk in, in recent years is, you know, especially like working in the industry and understanding how hard it is to

make even like a small scale thing. This is such a huge footprint that it will never, ever happen again. And that's, that's sort of interesting. It's one of those last vestiges of monoculture in that way where it's like getting all of that push effort the eyes because it you couldn't afford to do it again i mean wasn't there something i hear you talking about like you would you would like act out spartans and you would like

do coffee talk 100 i did the same thing yeah and i was i i i want to say does this make sense that like it gave you a way as a kid to like latch on to something comedically and have it be like have it be validated by the fact that maybe maybe that it's validated by the fact that it's on snl and that it's also um cool and fun and silly rather than quoting back like a stand-up like comedian's joke okay this is how comedy was shared when we were when i was growing up right it was like either it was an snl sketch that like people would talk about the next day or like you put on like the best of will ferrell at like a sleepover literally or when i was in high school it was like oh my god we got to listen to this dane cook album this dane cook guy he was which i'm saying like those are like both

like very common valid ways to share comedy to like in terms of like a younger generation in our generation at least and i feel like snl at least gave you like a way in besides like a comedy film to i don't know like try it on for size see if you see if you're different than yeah you know because i was obsessed with adam sandler's comedy album i'm a little older maybe i don't know if that when that came up which was like so bizarre that i'm like i haven't listened to that in a long time not sure where that i know where would it land now i'm like yeah but i would never like do it i wouldn't like perform like perform his but snl gave me and i didn't i didn't think i realized that this until right now i was like able to identify like the game of the character and like do it like because when i would do coffee talk i wasn't like doing

that sketch i was like doing my own sketch based on like i basically like wrote a new coffee talk yeah and with snl with the characters you felt like you were like i understand this like yes like a i don't know i'm like i'm doing it too i don't know yes yes it's funny but i did the same thing like there was there was elements of it that were ripped like in terms of dialogue like i was doing the jokes but then there was like we were on a family vacation i remember and it was like me and all my cousins and i was like okay and like but just to give them something to do i would make up a character for them to come play a walk on in the sketch starring me as linda richmond so it was a ripped character, but

we had things happening. I remember, you remember there was the grandmother in that sketch? I think, was it Roseanne? No, Roseanne. It was Roseanne playing it. Roseanne? My sister was in the sketch. But then Madonna comes in. Yes, and Madonna comes in.

No, no. Roseanne and Madonna and then Barbra Streisand comes in. Yes, Barbra Stre madonna and then barbara strisant comes in okay okay oh making me hungry girls that i know yeah so oh my god but iconic but i remember my sister like wanted a bigger part so i wrote more lines for the grandmother and she was saying she was saying she's from scottsdale we didn't understand that we didn't understand a thing but like you do it because and i also think what you said about your parents loving it says is a big thing yeah because it's a way to sort of be in with you think your parents are so cool when you're when you're younger or like you know what i mean are like older people in your life that love this that it's like an aspirational cool thing to know like you're all

in on the inside joke even if you don't really get it you know yeah and i do think like you even from a young age you guys probably experienced like you like laughter is you can tell if something's if laughing is like the levels of laughter like you can tell if there's like a fake laugh or if there's a real laugh so if your parents are really laughing yeah with you yeah it's a different thing yeah intoxicating yeah it's like you just chase that for the rest of your life almost. Depending on how it

hits you or at what age. And oh, wow, Abby, that's great. It's so... Bowen, you're part of a legacy. You really are. You are. Do you ever just sit in your room and look at yourself in the mirror and say, I'm part of a legacy? You look at your own face. Yeah, I always say that. I also love that your character on fire island was obsessed okay it's so

funny let's just clear something up so funny we're not obsessed but like it just was like kept it was such like a specific like relatable like thing yeah and that like made him real and then i also just like love that i'm like what went on as you know what i mean like it was like a cycle a weird like mobius yeah yeah yeah well okay here's here's what i'll say because people are like oh my god that's such a weird fucking like masturbatory thing like you're you're positive that like i was the one who was like maybe you should like SNL but it was this thing that was in the draft of it was in the earliest draft of the script before I was even on

before I even worked there and um it just made it all the way through and I remember like being on set also I think on the day we shot that scene and I was like is it is it too indulgent if like he says this and no but it ends up being so funny. No, I stand by it. Joel stands by it. It's Joel's writing. And Joel was like, no, we're keeping it in. Like, because he says this is how people talk to each other. Like, this is how, like, our people at least, like, you know, talk to each other about things.

Like, we're like, oh, my God. Like, this thing that we quote all the time is this stupid incredibly semi-obscure thing and whatever like and also like it's a little shout out to james anderson have you ever met james abby no he wrote all that so basically like the gaze in space thing in in in fire island when bowen's talking about it years ago like we we went to go visit sudi green who was a writer at the show and we were sitting down and there was this writer there his name was james we're having a fun little time like he's like this like hilarious gay guy that's like a writer there and then randomly we were like do you know the sketch gays in space he's like yeah i wrote that and then it turns out he had written all this formative queer, like SNL sketch, like material that we literally,

and this is another thing about SNL too, is it's like, I remember it was so important to me because it was like a way for me to fit in with like the straight guys at school, to be honest. Like I, I made friends through like quoting SNL sketches, like those,

like the Judd Apatow movies. But like, it was really another thing about it was not only did I actually connect with it but it was a way to connect with each other like and it's just when you're looking to connect with people it is really important to have like that shared pop culture like knowledge and so I thought it really worked listen it is it can be vulnerable and intimate to even talk about obviously it's what you guys like this there's so much of the podcast that is about that's like what this is it's like a shared it's like a shared experience through pop culture but it is such an in too yeah before you like as you're getting to

know someone yeah but i think but i think what matt you're saying is that like they're like it was so important that there was someone like james there at the like in the time that we grew up james and paula and like all the all the queer people who've ever been at snl there's always been queer people at snl let's which i always say but like it was a way for you to like fit in with people because there was an entry point for almost everybody with snl where you could like cherry pick like the queer thing and like present that and have everybody out like have everybody be like oh yeah that kind of has context with the stuff that we like too and so I think that's the thing right am I making sense

yeah a little okay it's how you make friends like I remember I remember I came into this is not SNL this is different but it was Anchorman I was having the worst time in high school the worst like like in middle school was bad i was like really just horrible no friends like i was deeply closeted but like traumatized by that i remember i went to go see anchorman my parents we went to we went to go um to some theme park at like some, I forget where exactly, but it was rained out. Like it was, Pennsylvania had the worst rain in decades.

What's the, because you're from Pennsylvania. Hershey Park or Dorney Park? Dorney Park. Thank you. Okay, so we were at Dorney Park. Are you a theme park queen? No. I mean, they're fine. I mean, I would, I think i would like to i haven't been in a while maybe we'll go i'm not a queen yeah she's not a queen we'll go i would love to go

well i'm the so basically i was so upset because dorney park was rained out it was the most rain pennsylvania had i guess i'm not checking my watch ever had like and so my parents were like I guess we'll go to the movies and I was like I'm so fucking upset and we were going to go see Anchorman and I remember me and my cousin screaming laughing because it was immediately quotable and it was that sort of like big sketch type character and like you know really essentially that movie is a series of sketches and it's so when you feel that rhythm and you you get it like i remember i brought it back to school with me and i guess some the way i made friends was other people had seen it too and we could just quote it back to each other and that's literally in and of itself a shared language literally so yeah no one's quoting like

i don't know why this movie is coming to me, but like no one's quoting like dramas, like no one's quoting 1917 to each other. I don't know why that's the example. Wow, drags 1917 to absolute hell. The only historical stuff I want to watch, period stuff I want to watch is World War II era, therefore a league of their own. Yeah. Okay. That's it. That's good.

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Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Do you like period stuff do you watch like merchant ivory films i i do like i think i'm not um i'm not like i think I am an equal. I like, not like specifically, but I do like period stuff. Yeah. I think it's nice. Ours is period, but the way in which we speak. Which I love. Is not intentionally, obviously.

People were like, people didn't speak like that. Then you know that. I'm like, really? They did not. Yeah, I know. No one said, read the room in 1945. People were so upset.

I was like, give me a break. I am not on Twitter, but I have like, what's going on a little vanity search. Saw that, saw that one by like a prolific writer. Yeah.

It's always the prolific writers that have, I was like, that was a, that was a bummer of the day. I will like find, I'm not even on it for this reason. And I will find the worst one. Yep.

And I'll never forget it. And that all these people hate it and they don't like the way in which i thought speaking more um modern i felt i found a would be way more um connective to the characters 100 because we're showing we're showing a way more modern lens on like an like you'd never see a period piece where you're like in friendships and in relationships in that way i don't think and so if we're going to do that we're showing queer culture let's i don't know i just thought that would be a way a smoother way in and i don't want to i don't want to speak like what we usually see a 1940s period sure dialect b or whatever because it would just sort of obscure like the dynamics that play that

have been sort of timeless and universal you know like it's just all along where it's like oh no like there there were like relationships like this and obviously they were not like communicated in this sort of language but like or colloquialism but at the end of the day like there was there were there were stories like this that happened yes um in that time and in this setting yeah yeah it was tricky i i definitely like felt i was but i'm like you know what fuck it the friendships that i think that we that are in the show feel very. The friendships that I think that we, that are in the show, feel very much like today. And I think that's sort of, that was

the goal. So, fuck the great writers of today that hated it. The great writers and TV critics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What I wanted to say, too, is like, and obviously, like, so I'll never forget watching that finale of Broad City, and I was obviously thinking of is like and obviously like so I'll never forget watching that finale

of Broad City and I was obviously thinking of my sister and like you know what I mean like you truly do write friendships so beautifully and you can tell it's because you have it so authentically and I like I remember when we had Alana on the podcast which now is like a few years ago bro like but for a return which do for a return but basically it was like right around when we were ending yes it was and so it was it was very thick like in this this i remember asking her like because i think we all have our own experiences with when you are such a unit and then like there's like a like a divergence you know just and do, and it happens in the finale, not just with, you know, like, with really every pair of friendship. And I think it's so beautiful. And I just like,

wanted to ask you, like, how do you and Alana stay connected? Like, have you stayed connected? Like, is it, what is it like to go from intense togetherness to then that like sort of beautiful gorgeous like flourishing that both of you guys have done but still to know that that's something you have to water and maintain yeah you know it was such a meta thing because i still go back and forth to new york but i'm definitely more in la and abby spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't watched broad city is like they're it's geography it's like abby abby leaves new york and that was that was kind of happening like it was so meta and so it's it's like we do not and that the fact that we don't do the show like we're not see like we were see each other every fucking day like she was and so it has been such

a learning curve and um you know she has a baby and there's like we're living like such different lives but i think we go through waves just like sort of any friendship especially in your 30s i think where you like there's big life changes and things and we go in waves of like being way more in touch and then when we're not it's like a bigger catch-up you know and we i mean i always try to see her if she's in town when i'm in new york and there's like facetimes and stuff but it's like you know it's it's like a wave kind of yeah but it does need that watering sure but it's also like i listen even with this is it was it also felt so intense to put this new show up because that like wait wait wait that's yeah that's my shot like what am i and that is like i love this new show and i love the people i made

it with and the cast and but it like broad city and i've said this i it is sort of just like my first love like well nothing will ever be like that yeah no yes it was very pure i mean i don't i don't know every part of your experience working on it but i hope you felt like i don't know like that it was just like this different energy yeah of making that show and like so like it felt so diy and like well like i can't wait we're made you know it was just like nuts it was it was the perfect speaking for myself it was the perfect introduction uh for me you know like it was like reception for like people in new york who just like you know wanted to like do comedy and work and like it was you guys provided that and also and i will say before i forget um don finnelli in a league of their own is oh love

a plus and i always i've always thought he was so i. The funniest, the most talented person in your comedy in so long. His podcast is so, so, so good. We were, we were, we were network sisters at one point on forever dog. Anyway,

I just, I think he's, and he's so fantastic in the show. No, he's so good. And like Don and I met in a improv team too. Yeah. Yeah.

And like, that was one of the best parts about broad city was like we could and i'm really upset matt that we never had you on but it was like this like yeah place where we could there was like this pool of incredible people and to get to have all these people on and i did feel that way in league to a certain extent but don i mean don that guy and i really tried to i posted a photo but his look is supposed to really lean into uh john turturro and barton fink oh yes i was like exactly like dr tour yeah actually the glasses i mean i if we had teased his hair out a little bit it's Turturro vibes Don Finnelli is Turturro vibes I know I know I was really

trying to from knowing him then and knowing Darcy then and then you turn around and there's Darcy as like Greta Gill you know what I mean it's like huh like what a bombshell also I could not believe like even seeing some feedback that people never look at

like never saw Darcy as that type oh she's never been cast like that i mean she's always been gorgeous but like that type she was never been in a role and i'm like here we go yeah guys i mean it's literally just people saw her in one outfit for six years i mean that's literally what it is and she played a role that you know like was cyclical in nature and but then like i mean lo and behold like she gets like those opportunities like that one episode i believe it was like season four or five where she plays every version of janet and then you're like yeah because some people are limitless like and it's so great to see like her gut like this i don't know crazy fucking part like it's so good and what a layered like interesting character i mean every character and it's just

but i don't know it's just so great like it's so i'm so proud to like see it like this like it's really it's such a beautiful like it is a love letter to the original in so many ways and i'll tell you another moment i got really emotional was when you guys sing the song oh from cities near and far well that's good yeah we were like are we gonna do it it's it is a thing like i would get emotional even think like i'd be in my house like writing and like i can't believe i'm gonna sing we're gonna we have to sing it you have to and then like I would always get I mean I've seen it like hundreds of times in post but every time it's sort of like we made

the decision but like it goes from the singing into like the game and I would get chills and I'm like I think if I'm still getting chills like it's working like yeah but yeah that was wild to to sing it wow what what is the most challenging part and it has to be because we talk sometimes like about how you know you see how many people it seems like are like the creator of their show the star of their show the writer of their show like very involved in every element to the point where it almost seems like oh yeah that's that's something that seems like very doable and easy and then you see someone actually at number one on the call sheet who's like a co-creator and you see how difficult that is what is the most challenging part of like the totality of this being your show you think um

oh i let me see it's um she's picking what she wants to say it's like it's tough yeah just globally the easiest part for me is the acting is it yeah perfect was such a challenge for me in this part in an intentional way i wanted to be able to showcase a little bit more of my range in this and i like i am not a trained actor i did not go to school for acting so like i i actually worked with a coach who works with like crazy actors and i was like oh hold on though they they work with coaches yeah um do you guys know that like all your favorite actors work with acting coaches? Yes, yes, yes. Because that's a secret I didn't know.

And I was like almost ashamed of it at first. But I really spent a lot of time working with this coach, especially in like the latter half of the season where it gets super emotional. And like, you know, all the things sort of like come to a head. Right. emotional and like you know all the things sort of like come to a head right and so that was maybe just the most rewarding part of it and the most fun is that is acting for me oh maybe the maybe the writing especially for a show like this and just you know also it's such a big show you know like like an episode of this show is like a season of broad city right totally like it's just like grand in scope and scale and like it's thinking about like every costume every place

everything is like huge and just like the arc of creating like stories like that also it's um you know we talked mostly about like my side of this story, but like the show is also like half Max's story. It's sort of like about just very quickly. It's about like the door for the all American girls professional baseball league open for like white women and white passing women, which is like my character's journey and Darcy's character and the rest of the peaches. And then that door closes for all other women of color who can play baseball yeah and it's like a very quick scene in the film where there's like no dialogue it almost if you blink or cough you miss the whole scene but uh penny marshall was trying to allude to it but like our show the half of the show is is about

uh max chapman who's this black woman who does not isn't even allowed to try out and like how does she go play professional baseball and like what's her life like in her world like so like making sure that we're really there's like so much responsibility in honoring what that all these experiences would have really been like so you know there's a full research department and like research department on broad city you know this has to feel like real and factual and obviously we're taking liberties with like what these like private conversations and things would be but it's like based on people yeah yeah it was like a lot of that a lot of that for sure i would have loved to have been on the research department on broad city and like and got really fucking high

and went down to the fairway you know what i mean which i think is my all-time favorite episode of broad city is that bunny that insane bunny that follows you around it's a bunny wait what is it so funny i was like what's a bunny um bingo bronson he's more like a creature yeah which is better he's voiced by paul w downs as well oh my god what can't that man do we like pitched up his yeah his voice but no he's sort of like an imaginary like yeah he's like yeah but I guess he does have big ears he does have big ears revisiting in my mind just now I was like it was a bunny to me but you're right it is a creature

it exists in its own plane of reality oh god you just said Paul W. Downs and I'm like yet again someone who has been so fucking brilliant from the beginning and to see them get everything they deserve that happens bro we absolutely love it we love to see it. Our favorite carcasses slaying.

I will say, like, it's so interesting that you are saying that the acting is the easiest part because, and I'm sure this all gets sort of worked out in the writing beforehand, but it's like, Carson is sort of the hub with all these different spokes that go out to different characters. I think Carson has to play with all these different spokes that go out to different characters. Like I think Carson has to like play out all these relationships throughout

the season between like Greta and Max and Shirley and like, oh my God. And like, and, and, and Beverly, Dale Dickey. Oh,

Dale Dickey. What an icon. Can we talk about Dale Dickey? Dale Dickey. Let's talk about Dale Dickey. She's incredible. Can we talk about Dale Dickey? Let's talk about Dale Dickey. She's incredible. Like, can do anything. Wow.

Some of those scenes were my favorite scenes. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, we met Dale Dickey in Provincetown, and Dale Dickey came over to our side of the table to, I guess, have a conversation with, like, literally John Waters. It was this insane dinner we were at. And I just go and i just go

i just go dale dickie you are an icon it's so great to meet you and she goes bowen yang and i was like i actually love my life no i i genuinely because i'm like bowen yang too you know what i mean i'm always saying bowen yang but like that bitch that means you are a part of legacy you have to look at yourself in the mirror and stroke your face because you really are part of the legacy that dale fucking dickie the icon she was just such a good vibe i we met her very briefly but you can tell she's just like cool cool lady sweet like funny like the the most incredible actor wow truly i mean a truly like an like an unsung hero of the craft like it's really wild and i loved her character too because i i i you don't think about like the chaperoning of the time that was another element of it that was so crazy

is that and that had to be something that you were discovering too and like the research of it all yeah they were a big part of it also like it's so funny there was a scene where we're all like cheersing at the end and this is so kate like you know we're you know they're chaperoning like the girls were younger right like in real life like right before we'd be like they'd be like all right we're rolling in action and kate would, like right before we'd be like, they'd be like, all right, we're rolling in action. And Kate would turn to me and she'd be like, we're 40. We're all 40 right now. Like the chaperone comes in and is like, ladies. And she's like, we're 40. We're all 40. Like we're like so old. You know, the chaperone was there for like 20, like it's younger. 20 year olds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were like a little bit of a range like 25 year olds don't need a chaperone but i guess in the 40s like it was more we're all in our 30s but like you know it's like what is happening we're drinking you know that's so wait also i have to just go back because i know people are going to be like well you say acting was easy maybe you should have done it better, Abby. That's my thought process. And I don't mean easy. I just mean maybe the

most... It came naturally. You knew how to plug into it. I think it was the most exciting part. The most fun part rather than easy. total sense and yes well i i apologize for myth attributing no i think i said easy first and i'm like they're

gonna come and get me because i said that things easy it's i was saying that it's surprising because i feel like it you you did just i don't know you yeah yeah you were really good in the show you really were you were excellent and I remember my dad my dad like watched it right when it came out and he was like she's incredible like my like Long Island she's incredible oh my gosh

Abby's amazing I think he thinks that like we have known each other for three decades i know but there's a thing about like i kind of feel like we do also yeah because there's like there's like this grouping of people that i feel that way about that like sort of are like i don't know like do like we're like do you know what i'm saying team up around i 100 get it and when alana came in we felt we we all sat down we were as an old girl it was old girlfriends it was 100

old it was known each other for like i said three decades never and i remember it was so funny we we literally we literally um we left like that podcast recording and it was me, Bowen, and Alana all holding hands saying, this is just the beginning. And then the pandemic happened. It was so funny. We were like, this is the beginning. Alana was being so funny and Alana was like, this is the beginning of something incredible.

And then the pandemic. I'll never see it ever again. Catch you later, girl. She's the best. She's the best. Oh, wait, quickly, I want to say, I was thinking of my sister, Matt Rogers, in the scene where Max and Clance say goodbye.

Oh, I can't do this. I can't do it. That was what was making me cry so hard. I was crying at that because it reminded me of the moment Matt and I were at Littlefield the day before I was starting to work at SNL. And it was just the moment where we both like looked into each other's eyes and we're like, okay, like we're sending each other off into like our own separate ways. And like, who knows, like, who knows when this will all happen? You know, like who knows what will happen next?

I don't know. I immediately flashed that man did you know okay you know what it was i'm gonna cry i'm sobbing i'm sobbing uncontrollably i'm incontrolable um but like you know what it was it was like i'll never i'll never forget like there was like bowen was getting he was deciding whether or not to take the job pretty much and he called me and i was in the subway and i was going to meet up with Sudi. Oh, my God, no. And you were like, you had said this, you were like, I'm going to take the job.

Because we were scared that it would stop things that we were doing, which, in retrospect, it's so wild how things turn out. But I remember I like- Even it's scary. Yeah, for sure. I like got on the subway to go meet up with sudi our dear friend sudi who's also worked at snl and i sat down at dinner with her and i was just like sitting in the experience of like watching him get this like dream and like like knowing that he was going to go on to like beautiful amazing things and like when these two

are parting at the end and she's getting on the bus to go you know pursue her dream it's like you as the other person like you it's it's it's really i don't know i just again the way that you flesh out friendship and that moment and just i'll never forget too like that finale of broad city i could tell your emotions were so genuine you know what i mean like the two of you filming that scene like can i ask i've actually always wanted to ask this what was the experience of shooting that scene where you know you're telling each other what you mean to each other and that like things are going to change but not really as i my eyes well up with tears the last thing we shot was like the boulder stuff we like went actually went to boulder colorado yes but other than that that

was like weeks you know that was like maybe like a week later or something though we made which we didn't usually get the luxury of doing of like shooting everything in order we're like the last scene has to be the last scene and um it was like in astoria overnight into like morning and we never would do anything like this where we were like we need that we're gonna pause because like time money you know we're gonna pause we're going into a van for a little while now and you're gonna everyone has to wait which like we would never we would never do that and we just like went into this little minivan and like talked and basically said all those things oh and then like came out and a lot of that was scripted and then a lot of that wasn't oh my god and it was like let's just let this be all of it you know like on and it's like it's so on and off screen like it's so

both of it because also like if you watch broad city like at least for me like alana was this person more like would i be queer if i had not met like i would i would be queer but like would i know i was queer if i had not met alana? Like that was so like, she was that person that was like, you're hot. Like, how do you not know you're hot? I love that stuff. I mean that thread throughout the whole series. I love like, I would not have been like, my ass is great. Like it's so dumb.

And also not at all. It's like so important where you need, like, I did not have someone that like was more confident than in me than me and i think when you find that person and like she hopefully i gave that to her you know the things to her too but it was like such a meta experience and the ending was like we were just saying what we felt because it was true for both, you know? True for both Abby's and Alana's. Well, I'm like literally crying.

People feel very seen by that. And so just like, I don't know. I guess I didn't even realize how much that meant to me watching that until, you know, just talking about it just now. But it was truly, every moment in the van was worth it. Yeah. Not me sobbing. Not me sobbing for the third time today. I really was over-served,

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Yes. If you don't know, now you know. It's a one-minute segment that is world famous. It has hit the trades. And we take one minute to rant against something in culture that is grinding our ears. Mm-hmm. Yeah, here we go.

And it's actually, it's sports-related. Okay, this is huge. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't think so honey sports related his time starts now i don't think so honey second baseman erasure i feel like people think that shortstop is the cool position and the harder position and yes it is more of the glue of the infield but second baseman get erased second base has a lot to do they actually have to cover several bags as they call it okay and also not for nothing but second base sometimes has to

play a little bit of outfield too okay depending on what the outfield is doing second base is difficult and if you have a shitty second baseman your team is sinking to the bottom okay his name was chuck knoblock he was a yankees second baseman i believe and this was in back in the late 90s or like maybe 2000 when i was really in in in the shit and i remember he was a flop second baseman for the yankees and was the bane of the state's existence okay i'm telling you second base is hard it's a hard one third base a lot of drama goes on there because it's right by home so it's sort of a hot spot you know shortstop that's where the hot guys play your dark jitters your a-rods and stuff like that and then first base I think because it's sort of

initially what's going on gets a lot of attention second base gets erased and don't forget about second basements this is coming from a center fielder okay the glue of the outfield I'm saying that remember your girl and that's one minute and 11 seconds wow wow listen

important that's important you didn't think she could ball who plays second base on the fictional rockford peaches esty first of all so so good and gorgeous yes truly wow her her scenes with roberta were always i was just like oh i love that we're seeing this like like the white passing is amazing you're like that's another element that you were like oh that must have figured into like this story yeah like in that time oh loved it and you know what i love too like at the end um when darcy is uh speaking to the woman who's like the like the beauty woman like the beauty consultant and she's like um you know baseball is like it's too slow for me

and then greta says well there's always is like, it's too slow for me. And then Greta says, well, there's always something going on. It's happening all the time. You just have to look. And that is so true about baseball. Like it really is such a fun sport to watch when you know what's happening and allow yourself to be invested. There's actually nothing like it. It's, it's, it's, I think probably my favorite sport to watch because there is so much drama in it. You know what I mean? It's a very dramatic game. Yes.

Because it's not fast-paced. Yes. It is a really... I mean, now I'm like, I want to go to a game. Let's go! I haven't been to a game in a while. The Dodgers are away right now. I actually looked because my parents are in town and my dad would have loved to have gone to the game.

But then I realized, oh, it's fully the end of the year. It's not just the thing. Me, my gay dumbass is like, oh, well, I'll just get online and buy a ticket. It's like, no, there's a season and they're doing their thing. It's not like when your dad's here, you can just go. I would have thought that you could.

They play all the time. It's LA okay Bowen Yang I bet yours isn't going to be about baseball it's not it might have to do with baseball okay here we go this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey I don't think so honey hobbies

it's called get a job make it your career it's 2022 there are no boundaries anymore between work and and leisure make them one we're sick we're a sick society and there's no other choice but to have zero boundaries in your life and to have your work be your life and i know it sounds bad that sounds rough and undesirable but there's no way around it. You like to draw? Honey, sell the drawings on Etsy. You like to garden? Honey,

take pictures? Sell the pictures. Online, okay? And I'm sorry, I'm just stating facts. I wish it weren't like this, but hobbies are over. Who among you has had a hobby?

There's no such thing as hobbies. There are distractions from the thing that you should be making a career from your hobby. It's all side hustle now. There is no way around this. I'm so sorry to inform our generation that you can't have a hobby anymore. And that's one that it's like a true workaholic company, man.

I know, wow. Take those photos of your garden and sell them. And sell them. Say, you want to peek into my life? It's going to cost you. Open up the tour to your garden and price admission. God, Bowen, that was a capitalist nightmare. Yeah.

Mine is not that good. No, that's a good no that's a lie that's a lie mine's mine's so we'll see even what i say okay this is okay okay i'm all time this is abby jacobson's i don't think her time starts now i don't think so honey latest ipad tipping protocols okay okay i'm all for tipping all right i love tipping i love tipping my barista i love tipping my servers i love tipping tipping tipping on the records lately lately there's an ipad and lately coffee shops have become markets yeah okay so i'm going food shopping and then maybe i'll get a coffee and then automatically it's been tallied to tip like 20, 25% on my full market order. So like what, what, okay. And also if tipping is supposed to be now for your full

market order, I need to know, but I am, it feels like I'm being sort of like tricked into tipping for my full, like I bought, like I bought a tote bag. I bought coffee, a bag of coffee. I bought all this stuff. Am I supposed to be tipping 20% on my full market order or just the coffee? And then it's like, am I, I fully am a Jew and I realize this is very chewy, but what are they? I'm like, I I'm like, no, or no to the protocols or yes. Yes. Like we need to know. That's right.

That's one minute. Well, let's talk about that. This is huge. Yes. Yes. One million. Okay. It became a market.

It became coffee shops, became marketplaces. So, so I don't like that. We are all. And then I'm guilted. I feel guilty every time typing in a like a three dollar i'm not now i'm like i'll give you three dollars yeah on a coffee because i feel like i'm not giving you 25 or like you know what i'm saying yeah yeah 100 because and i'm also the person that on on like like on principle because i was a server for so long, I will make a whole thing of, like, tapping the 25%.

Like, watch me go. And then, like, so that they know that I'm one of the best tippers in America. And then I walk away and I'm like, well, I'm going to be thousands in debt one day because coffee shops are a marketplace and I'm tipping on tote bags. And we need to be less shy about this. I'm not putting that many tote bags. But I'm like, you know, you're gathering. Like, there's like, it's a market now. Yeah.

You get a candle in the mix. You get a fucking, like, beanie or some such. Or even, like, they're selling, like, what am I talking about? You guys know what I'm talking about. Like, I wish we all had a common place but there's a lot of these places that are both but there's a it when you buy it it comes up the tip yes you are like expect like what i don't know yes because in big block letters it says 18 20 22 sometimes it's 15 20 25 yes and so i will always slam that 25 and it's it's true

like it's it's on the totality of an order and sometimes i lived i lived in greenpoint did you live in greenpoint i remember making this up i didn't live in greenpoint i live okay well okay we got a good suggestion back in the summertime bakery in brooklyn okay they sell meats and spices and totes on top of coffee. This is the thing. You buy like meats and spices and you buy like, I'm going to buy like,

there's some apples and there's some like, you know, you buy like, you're kind of like getting some groceries. Yep. And I'm like,

if this is the new norm, okay. But I'm like, I'm confused every time I go. Yeah. Do you carry cash? No. Me neither. That's fine. That's fine. Here's the thing.

Anytime I tip, not anytime, coffee shop I go to here in Williamsburg, I tip, they see me press the button, press the screen, they feel nothing.

And I go, is this registering? Am I, is this landing? Are you guys aware? Why do you need the credit? I don't need the credit, but this is, I bring this up to say. You sound like, you're just such a capitalist. It's disgusting.

Let me finish the point. Let me finish the point. I say this to illustrate or to bring up something and go, do you think they care i i i i i think does it make a difference to them if you just tip on the coffee if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it does bow and yang get credit as a celebrity tipper well i mean listen it is also like i do like i also same was a server was a barista like those that matters yes like i am totally like if i go to a coffee shop and just i get a coffee i'm like 25 man always you like this is an important i need this you like you're doing a great job but there's a

one near me that's also a wine shop so like i'm getting a wine and i'm gonna get like a coffee and then i'm like all of a sudden tipping like it's astronomical i've done it out of like a you're watching me do it yeah do it here's what needs to happen it's not up to us to solve because here's what needs to happen. This is a major issue. Every coffee shop in the world, in the country, I'm sorry. Listening. Listening. Every coffee shop worker needs to unionize. And then we just tip them as, just tip them at like, you know, in a very casual way, the way that it was meant to be done. And there can't be this much.

Of course, tipping matters. It's important. It affects the reality of things. But it is not up to us to do that. Do you understand? Yes. You're saying like it shouldn't be like, listen, it matters so much right now to how much they make. It should actually be like an extra.

Yes. Even though we want like we will never stop tipping. But never, never, never. We're not anti tipping.ipping we're just i just it's all getting so it's all getting very occluded okay oh my god i love that word occluded yeah wow i've never been amazing bowen i think she's running i think you're running i think i'm running you're running you're gonna and even if you don't run you're gonna get treasury you know what i mean yeah oh yeah you should run like because i have to be honest with you i don't think you'd win

president i really don't i agree with you i think that you wouldn't win but i think that you get far enough like you'd make like a buddha judge impact to the point where you get like a good job in the treasury because that's what you really want yeah and you can really change things absolutely are you excited about changing things when you look in the mirror and stroke your face and think of legacy you're a part of and what you'll do in the world are you excited about breaking boundaries i'm excited about here's what i'm here's here's my first item on the agenda speaking of ipad tipping protocol yeah okay whenever i get rung up for a $3 coffee and the tipping options are one, two, and three dollars,

I'm bringing that back down to 15, 20, 25. Because this is what I do. Because this is what I do. You're a rich woman. No, no, no. Well, this is what I do. $3 coffee, almost always. Can't help it.

I always do a $2 tip. I tip them 66%. And that's fine. I don't mind doing it. But I go, something's going on here. The iPad is really affecting things. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It is where you're like,

it is this thing. Also COVID because like tipping felt so essential. Like it was like, you're, you're really, really acknowledging essential workers and stuff like it's maybe they can get rid of the iPads.

Yeah. And you know what I really don't like for the servers is when they have to ring in orders on those, like essentially with those game boys that they carry around, you know what I'm saying? Like, and they have to plug in the order in front of you. I literally stopped my waitress the other day

and I was like, I'm so sorry. Does this stress you out to have to put this order in at the table with us looking at you? And she actually turned to me, she locked eyes with me and she said, no, I love it. I was like, you love it? She was like, I love it.

I love being able to stand here because it helps me connect with the table oh and then i was like oh i'm talking to a crazy person that's like no we're gonna have a fucking amazing time tonight no she's gonna round there are some career servers ground round that you know wow girl that's that's how you know it's like it's giving east it's giving northeast like they would play like black and white movies, and you'd get a bowl of popcorn. Yeah, ground round. Wow, you're really bringing me back there.

Honestly. I mean, it would often have a jukebox. Classic. The ground round. I think they also would weigh you. I don't like that. And you would get some sort of thing. Me neither.

Some sort of thing as a kid like like yeah that's a fucked up fact i think that i was yeah wow well i think they went down i think they went down i think as like a as like a contest or something i don't know oh my god what was the contest who was the best wait at at like no no amusement parks it's like guess like that is my fucking nightmare like guess your weight like get the fuck out of here you know entertainment was just guessing wait come on bring us back that that is but and and lo and behold that is a reality show that would be greenlit like now yeah yes but then you see like oh kiki palmer hosts it yeah that's good yeah okay i love Kiki Palmer. I'll watch anything she does. I'll watch Guess Her Weight.

Why not? Wow. Honestly, that is such a terrible and hilarious show. Guess Her Weight. That's like a 30 Rock joke come to hellish life. Yeah, well, that's where we are. Oh, that's where we are oh that's where we are well where i am right now is drenched in tears and profuse like thick joyful energy because the show is so good avi you did such an incredible job and i just can't say enough like i feel like you know obviously it's out there to watch now you can

fucking stream your ass off like eight episodes of this incredible series like you nailed it and we're so excited that you came to be on the show oh my goodness thank you so much this was such an honor to finally be on the show i'm like i guess i'm never gonna be on no it felt like so stupid it's now at the point where it's like people that haven't been on like you it's like what are we doing like this is so crazy but it's so fun i'm such a fan you guys know that and matt i can't believe we've never met i know and can i say when you watched fire island and you you posted about i was so i was that was so nice that you tagged me too because we had never met and i was like oh that's so sweet i was like we have though I know. It feels like energetically, yes. I feel like we know each other, but

it's mutual parasocial. We're going to Dorney Park. Everyone's going to Dorney Park. And we'll get Alana in there too. She can get a babysitter. It's easy for her. Easy day. Well, we end every episode with a song. Oh my God. What's it? I guess it.

What is the song? We're all for one? We're all for one We're all for one We're all American It's one of those songs where you're like, oh my god, this song And then you go to sing it and you're like Yes, this Bye

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