Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Kinsey Is A Feeling” (w/ Lucy Dacus)

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

The iconic musical trio of Matt Rogers, Bowen  Yang and Lucy Dacus is BACK. The Grammy winning artist and dream person joins Las Cultch to ponder many questions. Are people who want to be politicians all bad? Who is hotter: you in the mirror or you in the picture? How do you make the first movie conversationally when you’re… a little shy? Also, The Muppets, engaging with strangers on planes despite your wishes, being an artist in a relationship with another artist and therefore depicting each other in art, and the puffy pizza at Kings Dominion theme park. All this, when dippin dots was “the future of ice cream”, experiencing awe, and singing “I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing” together at The Culture Awards this summer. All this, the question of what the hell Avatar: Fire & Ash about?!, poinsettias, and discourse on The Boy With The Dangly Earring. Lucy, we love you! Forever Is A Feeling is out on vinyl and should be streamed everywhere!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, hey, hey, or should I say, ho, ho, ho. It's me, Matt Rogers, and in the words of another Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour, Matt Rogers, Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember when Christmas is. the road all of December with Henry Kaperski in the whole band performing my album, have you heard of Christmas, along with a bunch of other little surprises. So if you're in L.A., San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia, D.C., New York City, Boston, Toronto, Chicago, or, yes, Orlando, Florida. I want to see your gorgeous ass. Go to Matt Rogersofficial.com or head to my Instagram at

Matt Rogers, though, and hit the link in my bio. Until then, stream the album, get your look together, and get ready to deck the damn halls. at a venue near you. Christmas in December, you in my heart. X-O-X-O-X-O Santa boy. Look, man. Where? Oh, I see.

Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Coulteristas calling. So I bet you're wondering why I'm wearing no sleeves. In December, even. Well, peek behind the curtain. But I've decided that I want to break. you and the guest up, I want to be the most wanted man. Well, get ready.

Get ready. Your face is going to be in that frame for the entirety of the song. All I want. Oh, is that really your face is in there the entire time. Celeste and I were having a ball because it was just my dumb little face in that gorgeous frame

during this amazing song, Most Wanted Man, for the entirety of the song. And I was looking at myself in the third person, staring at myself going, That's what I look like. As an object.

As an object. No, and do not change the way you've done it. She would never. Our guest is so polite. I hug my guest on the way, on the way in. She's going to the bathroom. I'm leaving. She goes, is this the thing we're not allowed to talk to each other before?

I'm toying with the idea of every time a new guest comes into Las Caledrisa, Spohen and I are just on our phones like this. Hey. Hey. Can you imagine? I cannot. Well, one of the highlights of my year slash life was singing with our guest on television on celluloid.

Well, that's, our guest is here to promote our single. I don't want to miss a thing live from the cultural awards. Just kidding. This is the, this is a major Grammy winning artist that we have a collab with. Hi-five. You motherfucker on that. You motherfucker. I'm so fucking proud of you, bitch. I'm so fucking proud

proud of you how far you've come from nothing to everything. You came from nothing. When I met you, you were in the dirt. You were in the dirt. You were in the dirt. You took me to the dirt. You took me to the dirt. We're in our Mary Cosby era. Era. No, our guest is obviously here. She's promoting the Australian Asian legs of her amazing forever's a feeling tour. Australian Asian legs like you. Like me,

my Australian Asian legs. And she's ending. Born in Brisbane and Asian. The last tour technically May 26th, the Asia of America, which is Vancouver. Is that geographically? I think so. Or is that more tonally? Tonally, I think. There is, I think there is. I think there is. It is a huge neighborhood in Vancouver called Richmond. I believe that has all of the Asians. No. As if all of our other guests haven't broken in during this moment. Yeah, but that's how you know they're not for real.

Forever's a feeling the archives, the bonus tracks, including a Jim Crocey cover of Time and a Bottle. Can I say the Jim Croce cover of the Time and the Bottle cover is one of the great covers. But that's, our, our guest is just like one of the great talents. One of the great talents. One of the most beautiful people I've ever seen. Your crush. I was so fucking proud of you when you shot your shot. You came from nothing.

When I met you, you would have never spoken to a man, woman, or more. You never would have. I never, well, I literally didn't speak to this person when I first met them. Shy girl. We've talked about this to each other, but we need to talk about it on the podcast. Okay, everyone, please welcome to your ears. Lucy Deakinz. Welcome.

Doing everything not to talk and laugh. I don't need to, I just want to watch. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, this is like the best. seat for just watching you guys talk. I mean, you are right there. This is a great seat. But we're watching and talking with you.

The object of Bowen-Yang's affection. I know. What do you think? How am I doing? Right. No, actually. I'm sort of useless when it comes to sexuality with women, though. Like, he's more of a kinsie...

Are you kidding me? What do you make of this? This is a conventionally attractive man. No, no, no. I guess what I mean is like, if it really got down to it and you and I were to date, I'm not saying that like, I know that you're otherwise engaged, spoken for.

Spoken for, but I'm just saying like, I do think that Bowen could do more for you. Wow. Okay. I have nothing to add to that. He's a Kinsey, what, four? I would say four or five. You can actually find out your number?

I think it's more. I think it's just a, I think forever is a feeling. I think it's a feeling. Kenzie is a feeling. We're so linked. I'm like, how am I going to, Keep up. Kinsey is a feeling might be titled about.

Kinsey is a feeling. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Forever is a feeling. I think when you were saying this to Janelle, does that mean eternity is ephemeral? Sure. Okay.

Yeah, I feel like when you feel forever, it's momentary. Oh, beautiful. You said it actually better. I don't know why I repeated it in worse. No, I wanted you to confirm it. I'm confirming. That was a leading question, though. Eternity is ephemeral.

That's other alliteration. Other alliteration. Or is that assonance when it's vowels? No, no. That's a really, that's a you question. Y'all were humanities majors, right? I dropped out of college. Did you?

Yeah. Very queer. To start hit the rope with your music? I'm intimidated that you have a crush of me because you're going to find out something about me and just think that I'm lame. That's the thing about having a crush, right? It's like this place within which you find out something that crashes the whole.

No. What do you think is the thing about you that we're going to find out that makes us go? Oh, I don't know. Oh, my God, it's so early. Got the ick. I'll think about that. Okay, yeah, yeah. Think about what your ick factor is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know yours? Sure. This is the reason why I haven't been in a relationship longer than six months is I'm a farter. Oh. I fart a lot. And it's not good.

You know this. Oh. That's intimacy. Honey. Into me, you see. Remember that Katie Perry song? I don't. It exists.

I don't either Yeah, oh, anyway Yeah, I've heard the farts Our bit since college Is that it's like an angry Egyptian king Not a pharaoh, a king I don't know what the distinction entails

It'll make sense It's sort of like this Like it's as if It is as It's a very wide sound It is a wide sound And it's also It's really more like this

You know what I mean? Yeah. Remember the popular bra bra bra? Remember that? Yes. That culture? You just did it. You remember bra, bra, bra, bra.

Guys, white guys who were trying to be other races, were often doing like, oh, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that. It's sort of like, what's that culture. But more recent. Were these guys out here in Richmond in high school? Sure. Sure. I went to, I went to like a nerd high school. So I'm sure that was happening.

Oh, so you thought you were not in body. It was Maggie L. Walker, Governor's School for Government and International Studies. Excuse me. Why are you president by now? Nobody who wants to be president is okay. Wow. You ate that. I'm going to say something, I'm going to say something controversial. Do it do. Do not leave. I thought you were raising your hand to say something controversial. And I was doing that. I'm going to be caught. Bowen, the thing and no one knows is that he's. always raising his hand. I'm always raising my hand to speak. Okay.

You're right. Celeste and I have talked about this a lot. And I think you and I've talked about this. Anyone who aspires to political offices is sick in the head. I'm sorry. And anyone who wants to be us being show business is sick in that fucking head. No. In a different way, in a more benign way.

I think it's so beautiful. We'll cut this out. Yeah. No. First of all, I don't think it depends. Largely, yes. I do think that people who want, and this is going to come out after all elections. So we're saying all

It's the last election ever Oh my God Hey sorry But I will say like You can be an egomaniac that does want to do good Sure I'm saying

That's deeply a lot of people You're still an ego maniac at the end of the day Which is a neutral thing Yeah Politically minded You can tell she went to high school for government Because she knows not something like to see

Yeah What was your sort of major In high school? Well you do did to graduate. You had to take five government courses and you had to take minimum two languages, but they had like 12 languages or something. So then what were your two and five? I took French and Russian. I am not fluent in Russian. And I am okay at French. You can speak a little French. No problem. It's kind of like going bowling like sometimes I'm on and sometimes

I'm off. Wow. And that is how bowling is. Yeah. And pool. Yeah. Oh, pool is. Yeah. But when you're good at pool, when you're having a good pool night, sort of very powerful. And I do mean sexually powerful. I was just going to say. In an ungendered way, I think being good at pool is sexy. Yes. Anybody who can make that happen. What is it?

What's it connected to in like our biology? Like draping yourself over a surface. Like it is like different position. Like it is like the body orienting itself in different ways. Precision. Precision. Coordination and power, I think. And power. Coordination and power.

Lighting. Oh, yeah. The lighting is huge. Lighting is huge. There is also the moment. Yeah. It's very, very overhead. Lucy, what's the moment when someone cracks a thing and they know they did well?

And they sort of come up. They've done it and then they go. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they survey it. They're like. Yes. You know what I mean?

Even alone. I think people that play pool alone are hotter than people that bowl alone. But who are they hot? too. Themselves. That's interesting. Having a moment. Bowling alone is...

If you're hot in a forest alone, are you hot? Is that kind of the question? Exactly. That's what I'm asking. Are you... I think we should all... Let's all go around. Okay. And ask yourself this.

Are you hot to yourself? I don't think... I think actually, yes. I'm hot to myself. And in the quiet of my own space, I'm like... Yeah. I'm going to be vulnerable. In the mirror, I'm a supermodel to myself.

I'm so hot to myself. I look in mirrors and I'm like, this is really good. Lucky me. Another day like this. In all pictures, gremlified. Like truly burn the person in the picture. Get out of the picture. Yeah.

Get this picture away from me. But in mirrors, it sort of balances out the ego because it's like I want to destroy myself. Or I'm like, well, I'm not amazing. I can't believe it. Well, you are different every day. People don't realize this. Talk more about it. It's just like water distribution, like, for some people, a monthly cycle is involved.

Your brain also is changing all the time. What you ate will change what you think of yourself. This is your friend who's studying public health at Hopkins. This is what they're telling you. Shout out Elena. Elena. Who? Come on, Elena.

What? Oh, yeah? Yeah. So, thank you, Elena. You legend. Elena is a legend. Whenever I find out someone smart listens to the podcast. Oh, all my smartest, coolest friends listen to this.

No, by the way. We're telling y'all. I will stop now. What? No, this is delightful. I'm happy right now. Lucy. I want to say, though, I'm a very inconsistent person.

Sometimes I wake up. I'm like, hell yeah. This rocks. Other times I'm like, I should die. But getting your award for me at the Los Angeles Awards was a real boon. I was like, how did it feel to receive the Sun Award for so fucking hot? It felt amazing that day. I thought maybe I am hot.

So thanks for that day. No, maybe it's about it. Confirmed. Thank you so much. Can I just briefly mention our first meeting, which was seeing Lucy at Forrest Hills. Mm-hmm. Because that was a great, that was a great bill. It was Lucy.

It was former guest at the show, Waxe, Cahatchee, Katie Crutchfield, and Connor Oberst. And you had just played, and then Celeste and I just got into, like, the little back area where you were just chilling. And then I turned around and I, it was like starting at the sun. And I was like, oh, and I got really shy. You know me, I get shy. Illumaneer's song played in his heart. Yes. I got so shy.

But if it's someone that I love, I shut down. I can't speak. Well, it's true. Like, he, certain people occupy a space for him where he's completely, he sees, like, some of the most intimidating people in the world. And then certain people, I can list you, Real Housewife of Salt Lake City, Meredith Marks. Whoa. These are people that have stopped Bowen in his tracks.

What company? Have muted, muted me. Wow. Have muted my ass. You have muted me. Oh my God. Anyway, my experience of that. Was that, was that you thought I didn't like you?

I'm going to do what I saw. Oh, my God. No. Do it. Do it. Because I remember this too, because I kind of lit up and I was about to be like, hey. We had a moment. You're not wrong.

But he turned away. But here, this is what it was. It was. Bowen, you can't do that. Because you have to accept your Bowen Yang. because you can't. Which I thought distinctly was like, don't fucking talk to me.

No! It was me going full catatonia, nonverbalia. I like to go up and talk to people because everyone actually does like that to not have to be the first one to do it. So you might as well just fall on the floor and be wrong occasionally.

Yeah. And just like bounce back, just like grow up. Because it's not the end of the world if that doesn't go without. If someone doesn't want to talk to you and also that might have to do again with their mood and you just be like,

cool, you didn't sleep well or you just got bad news and I'm gonna walk away. But most of the time people go from that face to smiling and they have this front because everyone is in their own head about who they are and what they're doing. But I was like, I'm gonna leave it be.

And now look at us. And now look at us. Everything worked out and it literally worked out in a song you guys have on Spotify. True. With you. Think about that. Highlight. Think of this no greater expression of love than uploading something on distro-kit. Then covering Aerosmith together.

Covering Aerosmith together. Did you know the song beforehand? Yeah. How do you know? I don't remember not knowing the song. I'm just saying it's like not everyone knows every song, but that is quite a famous song. It is, I think, the most wonderful song.

It's a really good song. It's a really good song. It's so fun. I love that I was the low harmony. You all got to shine. Me too, actually. I love that. But Lucy Degas on a Diane Warren song is so powerful, I think.

I'm not doing research that often on. Things I like. Because if I like it, it just completed what it was meant to do. 100%. It exists in its own. In a way that's like antithetical to y'all's podcast because I feel like culture-loving people. We don't know. And informationally, we're very, very bad, very illiterate with when it comes to us.

I know some things. I mean, I think sometimes, I actually feel the opposite. Sometimes I know a lot of things about things and I'll realize like, oh, I haven't seen that movie. Like, I guess we can reveal now, you know what movie we still haven't watched? The Godfather. Right. We said months ago on the podcast there was one of the most famous movies in American history and we were teasing what it was we didn't say.

Can confirm now it's the Godfather. I'm still not seen it. Have a movie night. We should. What's the last movie night we had? Paddington 2 movie night after we kept it as a reward after the year of doing stuff together. We're like, and once the Grammys are over, we will watch Paddington 2. Why Pattington 2?

Why not? Why not? I hear it's such a joy. It's a joy, but it also is so weird. Yeah. Paddington goes to jail. Right. As I heard.

They have like a banner that is like an embroidered banner that says it's prison sweet prison. Yeah. Well, that seems misleading. Who, who's coming up with that? The Brits. The justice system. It's just, but I mean, it's like a delightful little time. And they were like, what is going on?

Does he get out of prison? Yeah. Okay. I guess there's spoilers. Yeah. I'm sorry, spoilers on Paddington, too. I haven't seen Paddington one or three. Is there a three?

Paddington goes to Peru. Oh, yeah. Jail then Peru. Jail then Peru. The jail to Peru pipeline. Yeah. That could be titled of that, but it's, what is it? Kinsey is a feeling.

It's Kinsey is a feeling, which I do really like. That is good. This is not a test you take. I think to go back to that conversation, it is a feeling. And I'm landing myself at a four, between a four and a five, so between zero and six. zero being full hat, six being full homo. Oh.

So, like, I mean, what would you say? Where would you say you are? A six. I'm a six. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm just a gay guy.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm one of the gay guys. Uh-huh. I don't want you to tell us the number. I want you to just think about it. And then once you've, once you've confirmed it, just let us know. Because this would be huge news. No, we're not, we're not going to, this isn't the scoop.

Is that your thinking? You know, Galaxy Brain, Lucy. Galaxy Brain. We were top. Did you decide the number? Yeah. You look content with the number. I feel good about myself.

You know yourself. Yeah. What's so cool is you can know yourself and other people don't have to. Oh. I don't know what that's like. That's the opposite of my experience. I don't know myself and other people seem to know everything about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is not true. Dang. Yeah. So speaking of knowing things about you and sharing that information, we hope that you you know, keep anything to yourself you want, but there's a question. That's the central question of our podcast. We must ask it. Okay. This is Lucy Dacus. What was the culture they made?

You say culture was for you. I thought way back. And there's early loves and childhood, but I think the thing that really, like, got my spark going is the Muppets. Let's go. The Mermit came to my mind this morning.

How did he do that for you? I don't know. Actually, you know what? I was talking about the new Ryan Murphy show Alls Fair, which is this Kim Kardashian legal drama that has Glenn Close and Sarah Paulson and Taiana Taylor. And I was like, the cast of a Ryan Murphy show, you would not be surprised to hear it. It's Kermit and Meryl Street. Kermit and Meryl Street play each other's sex slaves. And that's by night.

And by day, they're elementary school teachers. That's like a Ryan Murphy show. It's Kermit and Meryl. And it's very raw. very sexual, but it's emotional and very funny. Why am I so seated? You, of course, you'd be seated, and that's the power of Ryan Murphy. I know.

And we're talking Merrill today. Of course, Merrill today. You can't get it from before. Okay. Sure. Yeah. She's not getting any younger, and I hate saying that to everyone. But she is getting more fabulous all the time.

She is getting more fabulous. It's just exponential. Of course. Yeah. I love it. What was your first exposure to the Muppets? I feel like my grandma's house, my grandma would tape things. And she had a bunch of Muppet show tapes.

Or maybe before being able to tape things, you just bought the VHS of them. And that and then the Christmas Muppets, what offerings are great. Muppet Treasure Island? Muppet Treasure Island. Come on. We got Kevin Fever. Oh, my. The fits.

I love that you side of the VIN. Well, you did acknowledge Ms. Piggy in one of your awards, which I'm glad because whose mood board does not include Miss Piggy. I don't know a person. Yeah. There's no one who's not referencing and bowing down to. No one I respect. No one I respect. Yeah, no, no, no.

There's probably people who it's not in mind, but their minds are uninteresting. I would agree. Oh, my God, yes. Well, Miss Picky is one of those examples in pop culture where she's clearly the amalgamation of, like, all of these old Hollywood tropes, and yet she transcends them. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, like, the sum is greater than the parts. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Like, I'm sorry to whatever the, you know, the Betty Davis is or whatever, like the old Hollywood. Marlina Dittrick. Marlina's or it's, um, although Miss Piggy hasn't really had like a queer moment like Marlina. I feel like Miss Piggy should go full. That we know of. Yeah, that's a thing. Miss Piggy, like she knows so much more about herself than we know.

It's actually really good at your number eight. Miss Piggy, she knows so much more about herself than we know. I just think Miss Piggy, Miss Piggy is, Miss Piggy is allowed to be violent. Would you say this? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot. 100% that is...

I'm not putting you on the... I'm not gotcha in you. No, I think a lot of... I think violence has a very important place in everyone's life. That's the whole quote. Violence has a very important place. Radical queer artist, Lucy Vakis. Champions violence.

And Miss Piggy. On Las Coulter Easton podcast. Oh, my God. Some people deserve it. Yeah. It's so true. Well, every time Miss Piggy said, hiya, it was warranted. And I think that was a thing that, like, was really important.

in the establishment of her is like she was not a violent woman. No. She was driven to violence. No, no. She has priorities, which are her hair and her shoes, and the violence is getting in the way of these things. Of course. So it's like very much important to her, obviously, if it's superseding her excellence in how she looks. Wow.

Her number one thing when she wakes up in the morning. Miss Piggy opens her eyes. Do her eyes ever close? Yes, I've seen her eyes close. The blinking is. You're right. Okay. So she does open her eyes.

And then she thinks, how can I entertain the world? So anything that's going to come between her and her purpose. Is that canon or is that you're feeling? She famously wants to do a show. Oh, yeah. She doesn't want to do a show. She's at the vanity. She's at the vanity.

She's beating her face. She's ready to go on. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like common refrain set around her is like almost time for places. Places, Miss Piggy. Warren? I do also feel like the high femme of it all is like, and with Kermit, there's something

just maybe Miss Piggy hasn't had her queer moment, but I'm like maybe she is. It's already kind of there is a queer ring of the romance there, right? Like, it's inner species. It is...

Wait, it's... Pigs are queer? If a pig was fucking a frog, that's queer. That's queer mom. I think if you saw that, you would say gay rights. You were like reading science daily or something and telling me like, oh, pigs are gay now. Yeah, yeah. I would love to find that out.

They're very smart animals. George Clooney had a pig. That was one of the big, famous celebrity facts from the 90s. George Clooney has a pig. Okay. So sweet. Are you going to visit the pig cafes in Japan when you're there? I don't even know those exist, but yeah, now.

Yeah, you know where you go? Just text me recommendations. I'm starring everything on my map. When are you going to be there? February 18th. And then a whole week after. You're going to be there for sumo season, I think. For like the sumos, I've never been.

I want to go so badly. We're going to just miss it, I guess. You're going to be there before? January. We're there the second half of January. For fun? For fun. It's Bowen's birthday trip.

Very excited. Cute. Cute. He, kawai, even. What? Don't give me a dirty look. What if I make my whole thing Japan when I come back? Like I'm Gwen Stefani down.

Like I'm Kauai. You wouldn't be Gwen Stefani. You would be like respectful. Well, not that. No. No. I wouldn't. Just kidding. Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

Make a cultural appropriation announcement. That's how they would do it back in the day. That'd be better than what other people are doing. Yeah. People are just embodying it. No thoughts. Yeah, truly. Yeah.

Have you been there before? No. I'm very excited. And then, and the group is going. Like the band? Friends, the band. Oh, yeah. We have some friends that are going to meet us there.

The whole band is staying because we're getting over there. So why not? No, new tour bus there? No, it's one show. I thought it was multiple. Well, Australia is all part of Laneway Fest, which is like a traveling festival. So they, I think they fly you from city to city. What I really hope is that it's a big plane and all of the artists get to be on the same plane and hang out on a plane.

That's nice. But I don't know if that's what happens. You can request that. Yeah, for everyone to change their plans. On a plane, are you like very social? No, but people want me to be. Yeah.

I just feel in an Uber, like everyone is talking to me. Everyone turns and is like, Oh my God. My childhood trauma is this. Or my dreams are. We just had this. We were finishing with a swamp

to where it was pouring rain. We were all wet rat, ground rat. We get an unprompted. This man, lovely man. I'm not saying drivers can't speak, obviously. I don't want that to be the

implication here. The life story. But it was unprompted. Like, well, September of 1978, my family moved from Shreveport to New Orleans. And it was, it was astounding. And we, somehow I was hanging on to everywhere. I was like, okay, well, I'm invested now. Yeah. How long was the drive? 45 minutes. Okay.

Yeah, it was up there. And it didn't stop. In the five, last five minutes it stopped, but only because I think he had exhausted himself, he had given us every date an event of his life. It really, it really was crazy. I wish, I wish I was that kept in. Yeah.

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I have a question for you, because I've been thinking about this conversation that you've had with Janelle a lot, especially in this, like, go-to-the-party sense. Like self-care culture is sort of insulating us in a way that maybe is not, that is that is precluding like actual connection with other people

like so let's say people are talking at you or on the plane everyone wants to talk to you at what point do you go I should I should reach out and connect I should put out my own feelers at one point are you doing that versus well I just want to be in my own space

I think as a rule I have the over the headphone noise cancelling headphones on with nothing happening in there at a point until I am seated And I do most of my, like, listening to music for the first time on a plane because I'm, like, super focused or, like, movies always make me cry on a plane. Yeah. But I have had people, like, tap me on the shoulder, talk to me, I put it back, tap me on the shoulder. There was this guy that tap me on my shoulder.

And I was like, yeah. And he was like, people don't connect enough these days. Which is not wrong. And I was just like, yeah. And I was like, I really was looking forward to and planning on listening to something. So I hope you have a great flight, but I'm going to go back. You know, I tried to be like polite. And then he did it again.

No. And I was like, okay, here we go, six hours. And he told me some of the worst stuff I've ever heard. He, like, he works for the military. Right. And he loads bombs onto planes. And he's like, I love my job because I can see the effect of my work in the paper the next day. What?

And I was like, I want you to answer this. How do you sleep at night? Yeah. I want you to tell me, this isn't rhetorical. How do you sleep at night? What do he say? And he was just like, I'm just proud of defending my country. Oh, my God.

I was just like, I think that what you're contributing to is morally reprehensible. Yeah. And I hope that the weight of people's lives, like, weighs you down at some point. And, like, all I can hope for you is change. But also, like, he had, he's like, look at my phone background. and it was a, like, big, chested, topless woman and Daisy Dukes fishing. And I was like, oh, is that your girlfriend? He's like, no, that I'm aspiring to that.

Yeah, he's manifesting. Like, he was just at me, like, trying to get something, like, from me. And I, but what he got was, like, I think that you are a terrible person. Yeah. And I think that your heart is sour. Yeah. I don't know if, do people with sour hearts want to be seen? I think that there is something to people like that being like, yeah, get into a back and forth with me.

I want to be, like, challenged. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it. And in a way, I'm like, I would like, if you want to be challenged, are you opening a door? Because like, if you are, if you have to put words to what you're doing or is that going to change something for you? I don't know. We don't get to change people. Right.

But I don't think he wanted to be challenged. I think people like that, I'm going to project. and surmise. People who, like, murder. Well, yeah, are people who, like, something is, like, a little bit, their internal sense of morals are kind of all over the fucking things. Yeah. Let's just say. And so, what?

He works out every day, and the funniest thing he said was, I feel my muscles atrophy as I'm sitting here. Because he wasn't actively working out. He had me, like, touch his arm. He loves to do it that much. Oh, he had you touch his arm. He takes whatever that thing is that helps you keep water weight. Creatine. Oh, okay.

Or whatever. Yeah. So that. We take it from behind the table and start putting it into our water. Actually, everyone, like a bunch of hot girls I know are taking creatine. Creatine's a thing. It's a thing. And I've started taking it a little bit.

And it has helped with like some bulk or some muscle device. Amazing. Yeah, you would love this guy. It sounds like. You love this guy. Yeah. He's on my phone background. I'm inspiring.

He's aspiring to. Yeah. Do you think when he looks in the media? he thinks he's hot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, so then that's an example of like,

you're putting your own sort of mechanisms at work in terms of connection. And this is someone that you're like, I've learned what I should know about you. And I've made an assessment that like, these are the limits of my connection. Well, even like, it is still connecting when you are learning someone that you dislike. And that's informative too.

It can be like a homing device. for your own values. Totally. I was just like, wow. I guess I do know who I am because there are people like that. That repulsed you. You know, yeah.

And like, and also it's just like heartbreaking. I know. I'm like your life one day, hopefully you will find that it was for nothing and meaningless. This is supposed to be fun.

I'm sorry. We can talk about culture. This is culture. Unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. Pardon? No, this guy, like, is direct...

Like, this guy's day is so directly linked to people's, like, mass death. Well, those people are on planes, I will say. Like, I don't know if you saw... Those people were on a plane yesterday. I'm always fascinated by just how many people are watching Fox News on the plane. Like, there was a guy in front of us on the plane yesterday who was watching Fox News, and then he watched the film. Miss Peregru lives for a day.

Which I can say I know the title of the movie just by seeing the actresses. is on screen, it was Francis McDormann and Amy Adams. I am, again, a Kinsey six gay. Kinsey is a feeling. I feel strongly gay. Okay. And I was watching it, and I was like, wow,

what is the Fox News to Ms. Pedigrew lives for a day pipeline? But then a lot of gay guys are Republicans. You hear about Grindr crashing out at the conventions. These guys are gay. They love Miss Pedigrew lives for a day. They live for Francis McDormons. And they're gay and they're voting against us. They're going home.

They're having sex in the butt. and they're coming to work and they're sending out bombs. Like, for that guy to be into big-titted Fisher girl, it's horseshoe theory to something. It's a little, like, suspicious that you really had to show me that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like gender maxing in a way that is like, huh. You know what I mean? Yeah. It has to be rooted in like, look how much of a man I am. Feel my arm. Look at my bomb. I want to see what I want to fuck.

Ain't nothing more cyst than this. Like, it's just like, it's, it's a, it's an Olympic feat. And to do this on a plane when someone is captive is also very, you know, indicative. That's also like, like, like pussy behavior to have a captive audience. Of course. Oh, yeah, I can say whatever. I'm like, you just, you are, I'm powerless in the situation and that's what's fun. Yeah.

Anyways. But then what's great is here you are telling the story. And now we all actually intrinsically know exactly what this guy looks like. I love when people just don't know who they're talking to where we're dealing with or they forget. Have you listened to the Lily Allen album yet? No, I would really like to. What's so shocking is so, you know, I won't name names, but it's ostensibly about her very famous ex-husband. And this guy marries Lily Allen, right?

Like some of these people will fully marry or start dating these like really like evocative singer-songwriters. And then at some point they'll forget and they'll do the craziest shit to them. And then you get this album written about you and your choices. And it's like, yeah, I guess you just forgot who you married. Like what is? And then people will be like, the whole she wrote a song about me thing. Like that happens in culture. It's like you, but you knew who you were dealing with in the beginning in our.

It wasn't a reveal, it wasn't a reveal. And if it is a reveal, then wow, you really didn't value the relationship that you were in or see the person. Yeah. It's a fucking incredible album. You really got to get right with yourself before dating an artist, I think. Because you're going to get depicted and you should have a life that you would be proud of being depicted. 100%. So here, and then here you are like with another artist. How do you feel about being depicted? Like, have you guys talked about that? Yeah. For sure. sure. I mean, we like it. Yeah, we like it. Yeah. Um, because we like each other. Right. And I would say for the most part, we are right with ourselves. But I, if I write something, I'll show it and be like, are you cool with this? And then usually answers yes. And if the answer is like, yeah, this detail feels a little like something or other, like we'll just talk about it. Guess what? That's a relationship. Yeah. You can just talk about it. You can just talk about it. Valuing the other person for holistically who they are because probably one of the big reasons

you fell in love is because of that talent and that gift and that access to your emotions and being able to channel that and funnel that into your work, which you connect with so many people. I love your brain. Like if you're feeding me through your brain, like what, that's such a privilege. Favorite Muppet?

Favorite Muppet? I mean, it is Miss Piggy. Yeah. Gonzo rocks. Obviously. Yeah. What do you think of Fosy Bear? I love Fosy Bear. Do you not like Fossey Bear? I think you're a Fazi Bear.

Maybe that's what it is. Like, I know I am Fossey Bear. So you see yourself. Do you think I'm Fosy bear? You're a little bit Fosy, a little bit gonzo. A little bit piggy. A little bit piggy. A little bit piggy, for sure.

Also, Pepe the King Prawn. Do you know that's kind of a, yeah. Of course. The little hair going everywhere. Just the eye, the mouse. Sweet a chef. Sweet a chef is great. I like Beaker.

Beaker. Yeah. I'm Bunsen. He's Beaker. For sure. How are y'all not. Piggy and Kermie? No.

Bert Nernie? No. The hecklers. Oh, yes, Stettler and Waldorf. Yeah. Is that not your position? Like, is this not your box at the theater? By the way, you want to know my favorite joke of all time.

No, please sell. It's at the end of, and rest in peace. The Muppets 3D show. It's in Disney World. And the Statler and Waldorf are in their little, I call them the Lincoln seats. They're up in the box. And the show is over And they're like, we gotta go.

And then the other one goes, we can't. We're bolted to the seats. Oh, ho, ho. And I was just like, I love that. They really broke the fourth wall there because they are puppets. They are bolted to the seats.

They're never leaving. And then the horror crept in because I realized they're never leaving. Well, now they are because they demolish the building. Oh, that's why RIP. Okay, I was like, who died? They're making a new Monsters Inc. The dream died.

The dream died. RAP, the dream. Well, the dream lives on with the monster's inks. Yes. Okay. Also, don't worry about the Muppets. They're moving to rock and roller coaster. I hate a lot of what I know.

Wait, that was real? That was real. Oh, my God. Well, this is a news outlet, frankly. He keeps up with it, Bowen. I say that with no judgment. I know. Sometimes I'll come on here and I'll just use an opportunity for the podcast to, like,

break news and theme park. to the readers. Are you some people like it? You love theme parks? Yeah, I love them. And like, it didn't start out ironically now. It's kind of ironic. It's just one of those industries that I keep up with.

It's like one of my synaps fires when I'm finding out what's being built. Do you know anything about King's Dominion and Virginia? Yeah. Because that was my haunt. Was it? That was like some of my early moments without parents. Was going to King's Dominion? That's a whole culture in and of itself.

Talk to us about that. Well, like, the parents think, oh, they'll be safe because it's all, we're in the parking lot and they can't get in and out. And there are drugs at the park. Not to sound like a conservative. No, no, no. Talking head. But, like, there's drugs in the park. Everybody's, like, like, first people, like, smoking weed.

Like, people are hooking up at the park. All of the regular childhood meannesses that have to come out are happening at the theme park. Yeah. The wave pool. Never touch a wave pool. No, never get into the wave pool. Never get into the wave pool. Why is there a wave pool of King's Dominion at a medieval-themed park?

It's not medieval. Oh, I'm sorry. But Kings, you would think so, that it's the King's Dominion. What's the aesthetic? Why have I never? There's nothing. General. There's sections.

There's like the kids area that was peanuts. Yeah. There's like a Nickelodean area. Maybe there's not anymore. There's like kind of a jungley area, the Anaconda and the volcano. That one has a couple good. Roller Coasters. Yeah.

King's Dominion. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's like the section of like just new like, oh, this is the tallest, whatever. Right. This is the fastest fall. And that's just, there's no theme. It's just.

Yeah. I guess. Chaos. Chaos. Yeah. Now you would, it was your haunt. Like you would be skipping Russian to go to King's Dominion during the day or this is like summer hang.

Like where like how would you, how would you find yourself there? It was mostly middle school. Uh-huh. And definitely like kids had birthday parties. Weirdly the pizza at King's Dominion. It was different than all the other pizza I've ever had. It's, like, kind of puffy. Puffy pizza.

Yeah, like, kind of puffy. Like, it was good. Like, I wish that you could order. Kind of slutty. Like, it sounds really bad, but it's kind of good. So, puffy in terms of, like, the cheese was rich? Like, the bread and, like, the dough is bubbling up. Gluteness is fuck.

Gluteness as fuck. Yeah. And, yeah, the cheese was probably bad, but I probably liked it. God. Yeah. Remember being that age and being like, I'm going to go eat some puffy pizza, write all these rides, and just eat dippend dots and treat my body like a garbage cream. Isn't that their tagline? Yes.

The future of ice cream. Because they turned out to not really be the future of ice cream, huh? Ooh. Because where are dipping dots now, I mean. I did have dip and dots at Niagara Falls recently, and that was cool. I recommend this entire experience, but you have to go on the maiden of the mist. Lady of the Mist, Lady of the Miss, maiden of the Miss. Have you done this?

As a child, I've not done this in my adult. It's actually so cool. It's an incredible place. It's like one of the wonders of the world. But to look at it, it's great. But made of the mist, like, you're in the water. Like, your whole vision whites out. Like, it's very sublime.

Like, it's my whole band, we're like, we'll do this because we're on tour. And then everyone came out, like, kind of changed and awed by it. Which you don't have anymore. Ah is harder. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. That's a real culture. Yes.

Which one is that? But that's real culture number two. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. He defined awe the other day. Can you do it now? Ah. The things that you, the ingredients you need for awe are psychological safety, which of course we don't have anymore because we are constantly surveilled.

We're watching ourselves in the third person. That leads to more self-judgment and self, whatever, just like self-modulation of like, behavior, right? Like, I, I never want to be perceived. Over the years, I've wanted to be perceived less and less than less, because I'm perceiving myself all the time every week. And I'm like, I, less of that, please. Anyway, you need psychological safety. You need, um, connection. And it's, it's, it's best experience with other people. Yeah. And I forget the third thing. But it's, it's these things that, like, are fraying at the edges, like,

with the advancement of certain technologies. Yeah. And so I'm, so going to Niagara Falls made in the mist. Sounds about right with your bandmates. There's a bit of awe there. Nobody had to tell your grandparents not to drive while using their typewriters. Why should it be any different for us kids and our cell phones? Distracted driving was the cause of more than 3,000 deaths in 2022. Come on, we're smarter than this.

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We recently went on an alligator swamp tour. Now, before you were in New Orleans. So before you ask, no, it was not with Lana Del Rey's husband. Okay. We thought about it. Okay. But we would have had to travel. An extra hour to get.

hour to get... He's doing that job still. He's doing that job still. Wow, I can't imagine how his job has changed. Lana must be big for you. Yeah, she's a great songwriter. She DM'd me to open for her. I don't know if people realize this,

but the, like, Norman fucking Rockwell tour, a lot of those shows, she booked herself. Yeah. Like, DIY, but she, like, emailed the venues and was like, hello, I'm on a Del Rey. I would like to come through this venue on this date. I feel nervous. I'm always nervous talking about other people.

Oh, no, no, no. This is, I think, is documented. I feel like people can know this. Yeah, this is documented. And then she DM'd a ton of people to open, like, only days prior. And I ended a tour in Michigan. And she was like, do you want to open in Chicago in two days? And we were like, yeah, be there in a sec.

And you did happen? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's awesome. Wild. Yeah, I feel like that's a good one-to-one. But you think we experienced the sublime?

Well, because I think we did because we, again, it was not Mr. Del Rey, which actually was fine because I was like, you know, maybe we should just keep that lore separate. So we had this amazing man, his name was Captain Kelly. And we get out into the swamp and just to see like a wild alligator sort of swim up like a dog, like literally like the airboat would stop and the alligator would swim up to us. know that it meant we were, he was going to get fed by Captain Kelly. Like panting, tail lagging. Like, and literally swimming up and then it was kind of adorable. Sweet and cute. Yeah. Because it would just sit there with its mouth open like this.

And the captain would feed it. And someone goes, well, he's so nice. How long have you known this alligator? And the guy was like, nah, he would get me. He would, he would bite me and get me. I'm lucky. I stole my fingers. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm my fingers. And because he was sort of saying like, it's. It seems like I have a relationship with this reptile. But it's still a fucking alligator. It would kill me.

Okay, good. Yeah. This was awe for me. Like, watching the alligator that it was over 12 feet long. Oh my gosh. That's too long guys. That's two long guys. That's two long guys. Or three.

It's too tall. Or three short guys. And it was thick. And then Captain Kelly tapped the back of the... The carapest. What's that? The carapest, right? Is that the word?

Right. Yeah. Okay. Were you trying to define the skill? Are you usually the smartest person in the room to ask what a carapace is? Anyways, it sounds like you nodded as to just to confirm the appropriate terminology. This is when you revealed that your high school was sort of like a all reptile high school. All gator high school.

All gators. The back. Yeah. The back. But he tapped on it and it was, it was incredibly hollow and hard. Of the boat? No, of the back of the alligator's back. Of the carapace.

The carapace. And then he tapped, so he tapped the, um, the boat and it sounded the same as when he tapped the back of the alligator. Like the whole of the, yeah. Yeah. Uh, wait, what? Basically, the alligator's back was really hard. Oh, okay, okay.

Yeah. But then they had us hold a baby alligator. And I was so shook because it just felt like a little bag of meat. Was it kind of like, Yes. Yeah. It was Tih-Hibo. It was T-Hi-Moe with you.

And then Captain Kelly tried to scare me. Because I was the most skittish around holding the alligator. That's like one thing about me. Like, I don't need to touch the animals. And yet you went out of your way to have this experience. And experienced awe. Having the experience of awe visually was one thing. But then like, all right, everyone, now we're going to hold an alligator.

Like, I don't know. You sort of. I liked the alligator. You liked it. Yeah. Not for the amazing creature. Would you hold a koala? No, I don't think so.

Really? I don't need to hold any animals. I really don't. Would you pet an animal? Yes, I would. I would say I'm pretty good with domestic animals. But, like, in terms of, like, animals at the zoo and stuff, like, I don't need to pet it. Like, I don't need to feel the scales.

Like, you know, that's not really for me. You respect the distance. Totally. Right. Yeah. You don't really get to ask because they can't really tell you yes or no. Right. It also felt like everyone else did it.

So then if I'm the one person who doesn't. do it. It's like, hmm. I guess like, yeah, give me the alligator. There's this huge thing where musicians go and hold koalas when they tour Australia. Have you done this? I've done this. Yeah. I'm not a musician. And, okay, but you are a great singer. Let's talk about this. Both of you have incredible voices. That's kind of you. But you stand in line and on either side of the line are koalas asleep because they sleep like 20 hours a day and they just wake up to eat bamboo and it makes them high and they go back to sleep. them high.

Makes them high. Maybe with the eucalyptus. They make them... Eucalyptus. That's what, thank you. So they're drug addicts. They're drug addicts. Yeah.

They're just nodding out. Yeah, they all have chlamydia. So it's this, like, not hub. Sanctuary for the koalas. I guess the sanctuary is a hub. Yes. But... They're like the arousmith of animals.

Because, okay. Because they're drug addicts and they fuck. It's actually local culture number 30. Coalas are the aerosmith of animals. Because they're drug addicts and they're drug addicts and they fuck. How are you guys? Also, I want to tell you that Arrowsmith used to be on Rock and Roller Coaster, and now they're getting replaced with the Muppets, which is probably why they were top of mind for that rule of culture. Yes.

So they are out of Rock and Roller Coaster, but they're in the rules of horror. Okay, but so then does this mean, well, you've gone to the thing girl and you're like, oh, it's going to be cute and cuddly. But then you get there and their claws are like this. And they have heft to them. And I'm, like, holding this koala and it, like, looks at me, like, in the eyes. And I'm like, I'm holding, like, a dinosaur or something. Like, I can't believe I'm touching. Touching history.

Like, wow, koala, you're famous. Like, everyone knows about you. Yeah, you are a huge star. You're so significant, right? Everyone knows. And then they're like, and on the way out, if you want to go touch some kangaroos, go ahead. And then they just open a gate unsupervised. You can go touch 100 kangaroos.

You wait in line for the koala. And then as if they don't matter, they just are like, by the way, there's a bunch of kangaroos, and they hand you food. And you can go and, like, hug and touch and hang out with them for as long as you want, which I'm like, I would stand in line for that. You would stay in line for kangaroos, but this is the reason why kangaroos are sort of in an open pen

without supervision is because they are basically rodents in Australia. Yeah. They want to get rid of them. Yeah, yeah. They are selling kangaroo meat at the grocery store. I can't stand. way they reproduce. Have you seen it? No. Essentially

too little tiny. My stomach kind of hurts though. If you're going to tell me something weird. Go ahead. Imagine I say this and Lucy Dacus just pukes. Our first guest to throw up all over the white table. Oh my God. Lucy Dacus You threw up all over the

white table. Don't tell us about the kangaroo. Look it up. I don't even want to get into it because here's one thing that will happen. If you throw up? I will throw up. Should we like stop talking about it? Then Bahia's going to throw up. Rachel, forget it.

Forget it. She takes the pictures and she's going to throw up. Bowen Yang. He's just going to start farting. I start farting. I bet someone breaks up with me again. No one's broken up with you because of the farce. Okay, fine, mine, fine. We're off. No one's broken up with you because of the farce.

They've not said as much. Maybe it's hard to say. Yeah, maybe it's hard to say. Maybe it's hard to say. Although I would just want... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make this... No, no, I'm happy to talk about that. Yeah, and any time I get...

Well, I've only been broken up with, like, hardcore, like, once. Oh. But it was sort of, like, amorphous and, like, un... Well, it ended up being unclear, but it's fine. It's in the past. Okay. But I, it is kind of nice to no concrete reason. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, because that, because then you can deal with it. Whereas, like, if it's like an amorphous thing, like, so you, if someone was like, sorry, Bo, it was the farts. I'd be like, great. You'd be like, okay. Yeah. I'll work on that. It's better to just know.

That also, like, is clear that it's the other person's problem. Like, if you're so shallow, like, then they're just, they're counting themselves out of the running. If you can't have me at my farting, you can't have me at my vomits. Sure. Yeah. You know? When was the last time you threw up? No, don't get that.

I thought I was going to throw up last night, actually. Oh, my God. I ate too fast. To me, you're like, you're nine years old right now. I'm always nine years old. You'd be like, I almost threw up last night because I ate so fast. I ordered lemon chicken from the diner because I'm losing my battle every single night with smoking too much weed and eating food. Okay.

So I spoke too much weed and then I ordered a lemon chicken, mashed potatoes, zucchini. and Avalamegnon soup. How do you say this? I'm not sure. You think it was the lemon chicken and not the La Agalumlin soup? It was, I think it was all of it together. I just got so excited about how good it was that you ever eat too fast because of this reason. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Then I thought, am I going to throw up for the first time in? And I couldn't even remember the last time I threw up. That didn't, though. I thought I would. Thought you would. Okay. What are you and Katie Gavin like on the tour bus?

Y'all are cutting up? I'm sure you'd like to know. I'm sure you'd like to know. Like two crushes? You didn't even let her answer about the last time she threw up. I don't want you to answer that. When did you throw? That's a vulnerable question.

She does it right now. Oh. Oh. I don't remember. I can tell you. It probably was like a, I, I, I used to be able to drink like a lot and not feel anything. Sure. And I didn't start drinking until I was like 21.

Like after, because I was like afraid of it. I grew up kind of afraid of it. And then recently it's like, I'll have like two. glasses of wine and I'll be like, I'm sick. Yeah. So I just like don't really drink. That's good. And yeah, this is happening to many people in my life. It is. Well, as you get older, you realize

it really is just poison. It is just poison. You feel the poison working on you. Yes. It's like a sick feeling and not a fun feeling. No, for sure. But you and Katie Gavin, are you, what are y'all ordering? What are y'all eating? I want to know. What are we eating? Well, we have catering, which is nice. Because there's

so many people that's like over 20 people that we go with and everyone's so busy and so you don't really have time to go out and so we'll get like fruits and veggies but caterers on the bus not on the bus like at the venues oh great but what is what is katy eating i don't know chicken nuggets we had separate buses which maybe is you know sad no because we would have been having such fun y'all are old pals we are we are going to dinner in l.A which we should all go to dinner where are you going all time yeah katie I know you're going to all time. I haven't gone there.

We went to Spina, which is like in a town of place. Yeah, I like it too. You know where I go all the time? Superba. Super. I never remember there. I'm always at Superba. Superba.

And I love Bacari. And Bacari. Bacari Silver Lake. Okay. It's a good date spot. All right. I don't know. Bring your artist.

Bring your artist. Bring your artist. To Bacari. No one knows who it is. We won't say. Yeah. Secret, secret. I would love dinner with y'all.

I would get all hot and being back here gets me hot in the face. Oh, my God. When we were in Coachella and you guys FaceTimed, that was a big moment. Well, Katie just did that. I just, I forget that you can just use your phone. Yeah, you're just at any point, just boom, like someone can get into your life. I just realized I have, I now have a song with Lucy and Katie. Oh, wow.

Wow. Get on my level now. No, that's real. I'm really thinking about that. I'm really thinking about that. No, that's so amazing. And I'll perform it at my tour. Christmas in December.

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It is really destructive. Hopefully, if we do our job, I have something, okay, yeah. We're each going to do it. We're each going to do it. And you get to choose out of your options. Yeah. Yeah. Because you said you had five options, I don't think so many, but you feel strongly about one thing.

Well, I feel strongly about all of them, but not all of them am I willing to hear what other people have to say. I understand. So what do you think about the idea of you just kind of telling us what they all are? And we don't. And then later. Okay. Okay. I'll do the whole.

I'll do how many minutes you got. Later, we can do this. Wow. We got minutes. Yeah. We got minutes. But for first one minute from me, then Bo. Then Lucy Degis.

Okay, I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Avatar Fire and Ash trailer. What is it about? What is the movie about? Because I know. that is a lot is happening.

Yes. I know there's a lot of screaming, explosions, and more. But I do need to know the story of the film. I understand also the trailer is very international. It being a very international

movie, this will make billions of dollars. I'm sure I'm so happy for everyone involved. But I do need to know what the movie is about. I understand that like we don't really go for the story, but it would be nice to know.

You know what I'm saying? What would you say? Way of Water was about. Oh, the water, I guess. The baby was strong. See, this is what I'm saying. It's like, what do you remember from Avatar way of water?

My baby is strong. She was a singer of songs, et cetera. Just give me some lines of dialogue that is not just like a Navi screaming through the air landing on a spacecraft. Like, I understand that humans are definitely bad again. Five seconds. We love that.

I was once told I looked like Jake Sully, Avatar version, not Sam Worthington. And that's one minute. And don't... And you want to think it's a compliment? No, no. That was just sort of an additional fact I wanted to throw on the hand there.

You feel connection. You do think so, honey, about that. I actually, can I tell you something? When someone was like, you look like Jake Sully, you look like Jake Silly, I was like, okay. And then I saw him and I was like, not only do I kind of get it, but I'll take it. Yeah. What's a gorgeous proportions. Like, I think it's like the long nose and like the big eyes.

And the eyebrows and like sort of like the like ectomorphic positioning. Yeah. Ectomorphic positioning. There's ectomorphs and there's mesomorphs. Ectomorphs is long and lean. Like Nicole Kidman. So everyone is either an ectomorff or a mesomorph? I think it's plots on a, on a spectrum.

Okay. Yeah. The morph spectrum. I'm, I trust him with this. No, I don't. Yeah. Or an animomorph. Or an animomorph.

What would your animorph animal be? That's a culture. That is absolutely a culture. Huge culture. How would my animorph be? I know. A bear maybe, but what is my... Yeah, it's really good.

Is that it? No, what were you going to say? Yes. I don't know. For some reason, I saw you and this has nothing to do with what you're like, but I saw you becoming an ant eater. Taper. Yeah, taper.

Like those? For some reason. Yes. Okay. Oh, those are really nice animals. Okay. Are they nice? An ant eater. They're eating the ants. I'm happy. Yeah, thank God. You don't like ants. I really don't like ants. Yeah. It's one of those things we probably should appreciate

more because you know they have a function in society. What's her function again? I don't know. There's got to be something with. like the soil. There has got to be something. I like mosquitoes. I like their culture.

They worship one woman. I like that. Oh, yeah. There's a queen aunt. There's a queen aunt. Do you know how old old? Old ants can get. How old?

The oldest ant is 30 years old. Wow. Flirty. Really? Really old. Yeah. That is so old. That's one of my funnest facts.

We found out that the alligators we saw can live to 75 or 80. Oh my gosh. And the big one. named Benjamin that I was discussing earlier was approximately 60 years old the same age as Captain Kerry. Kelly. Kelly.

Captain Kerry is on below deck. Yes. What was I going to say about Probably something amazing. Avatar. Oh, yeah. I think most of the movies are about them jumping on planes.

Or them like roaring. She was a singer of songs. What is an interesting line? I mean, what's, what's, happening is I think Avatar 1 was about like okay we're seeing the planet like you know what I mean like we're getting accustomed to it they're all supposed to be like colonialism is bad yes correct okay I think Avatar 2 was obviously about our great oceans or rather Pandora's great oceans and then fire and ash I think is going to have to do with I don't know I guess like the skies or something

and apparently this is a lot of fire allegory well they're doing earth water fire are they going to do air feels like the logical progression okay I feel like air has already been in the movies. They've been flying around. They've been flying around so much. This is my thought. And I might be wrong. But to put out movies that are like colonialism is bad,

I'm like, right, but it's too late. You know what I mean? It's like, what are we going to do about it? It's still happening. Well, it's still happening, but you're right, totally. I'm like, well, so, yeah. Have we stopped it? But maybe that's at the point. Well, it's about responsibility once that is the case. By the mindset of colonialism. Yeah.

Yeah. Respect and responsibility once you've established a reality that is taken from something else. It's like you must now honor the fact that, like it's, you know, it's essentially being like reparations. Also, it's like maybe it's too late to have happened. It's not too late to try and correct give land back. Yes, right. You will never be one of the people. That's exactly what the line was.

Yeah. And then. So that's from something. That's from Avatar. You will never be one of the people. I'm Zoe Saladanya. Thank you for... And she wanted an Oscar for a different movie?

Explain that. I've got something. Okay. Okay. Amelia Perez herself. This is coming out in December, as we know. So this is going to be seasonal? Yes.

All right. This is Bowen-Yangs. I always, always open the wrong app when it comes to having to time something. Okay. This is Bowen-Yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

I don't think so many point-settas. First of all, let's talk about the spelling, one extra eye, one eye, too many. After the T, after the two T's or the one, I'm not going to look into it.

All I know is there's an errant eye, an errant of silent eye. Okay, sure. You look like a damn weed. And for a flower to have to be in a pot that is wrapped in a specific kind of foil that is maybe

going to be mistaken for the pedal of the flower, I go, well, then you're leaning too much on the container, and the flower itself is not doing the right kind of work to aesthetically hold the center of this presentation and arrangement. I don't

understand it. Why are they everywhere? We've got too many Christmas plants. The tree, the fucking mistletoe, don't even get me started on that. Five seconds. And now I've got to figure out this flower that looks like shit. Get that out of my sight. I don't think so. Any point that does.

That's one. minute. You know, it's the, it's the thing about, it's the thing about Christmas that I'm the most like, okay. Okay. Do we need? Sure. Yeah. Like, it feels 80s. Why do they feel like it's an 80s flower? Flowers shouldn't evoke a decade. You're so right. Yeah. Why does it feel 80s? You're right. Because it does. Well, the container is this like shiny, like, yeah, the dress, beautiful dresses. Beautiful dress. To those flowers. It does. Yeah. It does. Yeah. It has like a cocaine energy that I'm like... Well, you know, when you bend the leaf, like white goo comes out.

Stop me. Like, come? I guess so. You're right. I think when I was growing up... As a kid in church, I would just go like... Yep. With my nail and it would just...

And the white goo. That's what you were doing as a kid in church instead of listening about God. Well, one time on Christmas, since this is apparently a Christmas episode, I am wearing red and green, which is nice. You are. You're dressed like Santa. I didn't realize. But the church I grew up in, everyone would, the lights would go down in the church and we'd pass a flame. Everyone would get a candle. I'm not safe.

Pass the flame. And at the end, it would be beautiful. Everyone's singing silent night, a cappella. I love this. And I was five and holding the flame and looking up at the church and kind of going around. And then this woman starts hitting me in the head. And I don't know why. I'm just getting smacked in the head.

And people are screaming. And then the lights come on. and I had lit my hair on fire. Oh. And it was just like, and I do have this memory, the most potent memory from it is the pastor, jokingly, I now know,

saying, well, Christmas is canceled. That is humiliating. I know. Well, because it stopped silent night and it was sort of this talk like, do we restart? It's like, no, let's just go home. Lucy.

Yeah, a kid almost immolated. We have to go. We have to go. But why? That's 90s culture is let's fucking embarrass the kid and have that be a trauma in her fucking life. I do. I, like, really don't like Christmas. And I don't usually think of this story as why, but that.

Do you think there's something to do with it? Yeah, probably. That sounds like a fucking Scoot-on-Steeman song. Yeah, yes, that was the worst Christmas ever. That was the worst Christmas ever. I love that Christmas album. One of the best Christmas songs, maybe the best that I know of. Thank you.

Yeah. But you've, you've done Christmas. songs. You've released some Christmas songs, haven't you? Making that up? Which one would you release? That was the worst Christmas ever. That was the one. Oh, that would be really, really good. I'm doing like a Christmas show with Rufus Wainwright, who I also

sang with last night, which was amazing. So cool. Where was that? Wester Hall, part of like the New Yorker Festival. But I was like, can we sing the art teacher together? It's just, I don't know if you know that song, I'll send it to you. But he's, you know, a legend. He's just

like a history lesson within one person. Rufus, yeah, holds it all. Yeah. Can do Judy at Carnegie Hall and can also do opera. Do opera and then fucking rock with you. Yeah, rock star. Speaking of rocking with you, it's time of your, I don't think so on your rocker. Oh, my God.

Grammy winning rock artist. Okay. Also, I don't think so, honey, superstar. We don't know that yet. We do. I have faith. My heart is racing. I can't wait to experience this awe.

Don't be racing. It's a blind. Okay, I do need to, you have a screen protector, and I couldn't see the timer when you were faced that way. Don't worry. Okay. Okay. This is Lucy Dakes, I don't think, Sonny.

Her time starts now. The boy with the dangly earring. Is he a villain? I don't think so, honey. And here's why. First of all, sometimes you have to wear the costume before it becomes the clothes. Sometimes people are the ally at the pride parade for years before they figure out why they keep showing up. Why are we gatekeeping a gate that all of us had to walk through at one point or other?

Specifically with the dangly earring, sometimes we have a guy with a dangly earring and then you wait five years. You have a beautiful woman on your hands. 30 seconds. In other situations, the guy takes out the earring. No one was hurt. If you don't like that guy, that has to do with that guy's personality. Unfortunately, it would be so easy if we actually knew who people were from what they're wearing. but we do have to do the hard work and take the time to find out if someone is actually disingenuous or cool with us.

And I think that the threat of being made fun of or thought of as disingenuous at the front is intimidating people out of being creative and playful with their presentation, which could lead them down a path to a life that would be more tolerable and fun. Oh my God. That pierced through all of my calloused armor to my heart. New episode unlocked, just like on all those themes. I have to say, I, when you, when you started, and the way that you, the way that you structured that, I don't think so, honey, was a misdirect. Because when you started by saying the boy with the dangly earring, here I am thinking,

you're going to tear that guy up. Because it is easy to do, but I think it's lazy. You're right, it is easy to do. And I was ready to do it. And then I had to assess based on your actual content. You queered the form. 100%. You did.

Lucy, that was an innovative. That was the sublime. That was all. Oh, my God. Thank you. So basically. Are you currently having to be like,

but I do hate the guy with the dangling. I don't hate the guy with the dangling earring. He sometimes is the guy with the dangling earring. Well, and sometimes the guy with the dangling earring is hateable sometimes, but hate people for who they are. You know, give them the dignity of hating them for who they are. Let me talk. Let me go up to the dangled.

and let me speak with them. You know what I mean? And then judge them based on them showing me what's on their phone, be it the, you know, huge breasted manifestation of their sexual conquest, desirability thing, or the bombs, you know, something like that. But I do agree with you that it's like you do have to let people look maybe in a way that you think is silly. Like people should express themselves with clothes. I do feel, and music and, like, art and stuff like that and self-expression, I feel like, let's not judge.

Yes. I hope I have not judged you too many times in the past for the way you've looked. Whoa. You don't really read me for the way. I don't think you read, I'm, like, mismatched colors, because I'm colorable. You don't, you don't read me. I don't know why I bring this up, but I just hope I've never gate-kept an aesthetic. I don't think we do that to each other.

Because this is the thing, an aesthetic is the bridge to, like, the, the, you know, the, like the person or the idea or like the political notion or whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's like if you look the part, it's why like, it's why like fascism moves through the like aesthetic of fascism, whatever, I won't get into that. You know what I mean? Like that is like that is the literal front line. And so dangly earring, it's like, well, let the person do a dangly earring and then that might, that will be like the locus, the influxion point for something else. The dangly earring is the bridge to something else. Yeah. Or if it's not, they're at least the type of person that would be willing to walk on the bridge and then walk back to the other side.

Totally. I like people who are open to the idea that they could be different than how they are and then be like, no, I think I'm good. I think I'm good. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Like one time there was someone in my life who was then not in it anymore and a friend of mine in commiserating about this person was like, and they wore those stupid turquoise earrings.

Well, we can do that with our friends. And I remember afterwards, I was like, now I feel a little bad because. I think the turquoise earring was kind of fun. There's so many things to talk shit about this person, about the way they act and about they are. But the turquoise earring actually made me pity that person because I was like, oh, but that, you know, sometimes people think, like, I know who I am

and so I'm dressing this way. But a lot of people are like, I'm going to try dressing this way because hopefully I get encouragement and then I can be more who I am. And perhaps if that was encouraged in a specific type of person, then they wouldn't be horrible. This is very thought-provoking, Lucy.

Thank you for really... But then also, like, you can be dunking on nasty people with your friends about what they're wearing. But, like, just some clothes are ugly. Yeah, some clothes are ugly. So... I do think so, honey. Some clothes are ugly.

Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that was... And I'm so interested after we end because not everyone gets to know everything about what your other out and things of honeys are. Because if they're structured like that. I'm so excited to tell you.

I hope that might be my ick, actually. You might hear this and be like, no. What do you mean? So we'll find out. Yeah, they don't get to, I don't, I trust you. Oh, thank you. Because we've established trust through connection. Through a Spotify song.

Through a Spotify song. And a live performance that, by the way, was by far the highlight of that show for us. I mean, for me too, since, I mean, you did the whole show. I only did that one moment, so it's my favorite thing. But you showed up for rehearsal the day before. It happened. That meant a lot to us. That was a crazy week

on a lot of levels. You did something amazing by the way. I was like, oh, you asked me to do something. I like you. I'll do what you have asked. And then I showed up and you put on a real, like, it was really an award show. I did not know what I was walking into. And it was like so funny, way more interesting than

most award shows. Oh, thank you. Give an award to them. Wow. From a Grammy winner. Okay. Yeah. From an award haver to an award deserer. Yeah. Thank you. You were the best. And honestly, that really, it was like from inception of that, of that idea, of the in absentia to then doing it. I just remember us being at the end. And after you came out and like that being like, I felt like we did it because that part went so well. Like it was just like such a highlight for us. Funny. Well, damn, forever's a feeling the archives by stream. Watch the videos.

Get the vinyl. Get the vinyl. There is. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming out in December, actually. Oh, love. That's perfectly time.

Here's something else. Like, I would have done this without promoting something. I would have obviously had you on without you promoting something. It was a matter of time. Okay. I love that. We love you. Yeah.

We'll get dinner with Katie. Yeah. Superba. Yeah. If you can stand me after these other. Lucy. We're already obsessed. We don't have to go to Superba.

We can go wherever. We do have to go to all time. Okay. Just kidding. We don't have to go to all time. We end every episode with the song. Oh. Don't want to close my eyes.

I don't want to fall asleep because I miss you, babe. And I don't want to miss a thing. Because even when I dream of you, Sweetest we never do. I still miss you, babe. And I don't want to miss a thing. If you want to hear that, listen to all of our songs on Spotify. If you told me that was happening, I would have practiced.

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