Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Laughin n' Whackin" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: May 13, 2020

Tonight, it's just family as Matt & Bowen aka Las Culturistas discuss what's been happening recently in the cultch. Alison Roman vs. Chrissy Tiegen? Let's just say it's touched on. Oh, and porn? We're chatting about that. Survivor is also a topic, as has been the case lately. The countdown to Parvati on Las Culturistas is fully on as the current season wraps up, and Matt & Bowen are looking at Survivor as a microcosm of society. Critical lens for your ASS. #ExamineThat. Listen, thank you to the readers. We're loving you. PARVATI IS COMING! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that ding dong las culturistas calling oh what a sad day for many reasons let's dig into yours are you also having a sad day well i'm having a sad day i. I'm having a little sad squall, like a little mini storm, you know, but it's okay. I guarantee that yours is probably a bigger deal because- Not really. Not really. Okay. Well, I'll say mine and then you say yours and then we can each feel bad about feeling bad. Yeah. Yeah. That's great.

Comparatively. Perfect. So I was voted off of survivor underscore quarantine just a short while ago i'm so sorry and um it's okay it's okay um let's just say it was a great personal exercise to step into my favorite game of survivor oh you're giving us the exit interview right now the full exit interview i mean essentially like this really just happened like the blood is still very much oh my gosh wet wet and all over wet blood um let's say my my carcass is not dry in the game of survivor although i am on the jury

yes you first member of the jury yeah i'm the first member of the jury was the i got voted out of the merge and i should just let everyone know that doesn't know this is an online version of survivor called survivor underscore quarantine that i entered because i was asked to do so i definitely mixed things up definitely stirred things up let's just say i was a polarizing villain type oh like coach like coaching heroes versus villains wow good for you bomb that you're finally just at the place where you can throw out these characters names just toss them off you can just toss them off and i don't know i feel like um you know i believe it was actually beyonce that said you know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation it's actually rule of culture number 22 you know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation

and i think i caused a lot of conversation too early made myself a big old target and got voted out and now some of the girls are upset in the comments of the Instagram that I've been voted out because I'm now finding out I was a fan favorite. And, you know, people are, there definitely is this back and forth in the comment section about me, which really is all you ever want. It's all you want. I mean, you're, yeah, you're, okay.

So in this case, you're more of like a Russell then. Maybe not even Russell. See, I don't think I'm- Russell's a big statement. Well, Russell's a huge statement, and you say a lot of things when you call me Russell. I know. And I think that you should take that back immediately.

I take it back, I take it back, I take it back. I was polarizing. I think I was a polarizing villain in the way that, let's say, maybe even Parvati is. I was gonna ask, what was your strategy going in? And I had a feeling it would be very Parvati-esque. See, I couldn't really engage with anyone in real life. So I couldn't like, you know, really be everything that is Parv.

There's no sleeping next to someone under the shelter. There's no thinking, letting all the boys think that they can come to this yard. But really, I'm in the yard with the girls. It was none of that. It was all like, it was very the circle actually, like playing Survivor online, really kind of you were up to your own devices in terms of your online avatar.

And I guess that my online avatar just ain't that trustworthy because I got the boot right when they all could have a clear shot at me. Darn, and can I say something? This is a personal loss for me too because you had picked me to be your loved one in the loved ones challenge. You were going to come on

you were going to come on and you were going to be my friends and family and it was going to be I think a moment for a survivor underscore quarantine that they will now not get to have. That's okay. That's okay. Now that's actually why my day hasn't been so great because my life ended on this uh virtual

fake version of a reality show but why what's going on with you oh nothing i just um i mean i just i just have complicated feelings about um this season ending but of of snl which is i don't have to get into but the thing that compounded it was I started, finally pulled the trigger, started Normal People on Hulu. And man, I mean, I was resisting it for a while because the book really flayed my ass and started it. And I'm like only three episodes in and I'm like, okay, I want to be in love. And I'm just like very like westful and melancholic. And I'm just like, oh man, like, look at this. This is, isn't this so beautiful? I totally get it.

Yeah. I totally get it. There's nothing like a well-crafted sort of romantic television show to make you feel the feels. You gotta, I think you should start with the show. Cause I think, I think Sudi and I tried to talk you into reading the book last year

and you had no interest. I think you would enjoy the show a lot. It's very quick to get through 25 minute episodes, 12 episodes. You're really enjoying it. In the way that it's affecting you it's affecting me and it's like and i mean there's a lot to be said there's a lot of um chatter online about how like grounded the sex scenes are and it's a lot of sex scenes any gay no gay but um well i don't like that but you know what it's it's it's really you know the heterosex is good when it makes the homos horny.

And that's actually rule of culture number 29. You know the heterosex is good when it makes the homos horny. Can I tell you something that actually shook me? Yeah. Before I got voted out of Survivor Quarantine, I actually, something else happened today that really shook me. Oh my God. So I actually, I did i i took to i what i did was i took to porn just to like get get out some some

anxiety before yeah before everything was gonna go down someone i thought was a strictly heterosexual porn star i actually saw enthusiastically perform a gay sex scene now I can't if I were to look at a porn star like I don't know what I've never seen a hetero porn star a male porn star in my life who was he how did you know who he was before

well here's the thing Bowen I actually something about me that I've discussed on this podcast oh you watch straight porn it's very kids are alright you watch the other side i enjoy straight porn yeah i do i like it i i think it's wonderful it gets me off in a certain way i i think i just there's something about the enthusiasm that is a female porn star just sort of when this happens i was given the note that I'm peaking in terms of audio, but I apologize to, I apologize to engineer Doug

because I'm going to do this. I like when sort of this is the sound that gets made by a female porn star. Like I love like, and I sort of want that because i know the pleasure is so insane or at least the performed pleasure is so insane when that you really don't get from gay porn no gay man will ever lay pipe down enough for you to sound like a full r2d2 yeah like r2d2 like in the middle of the muppets thank you that's what it is it's beaker from the muppets it'sD2, like in the middle of a- Beaker from the Muppets. Thank you. That's what it is. It's Beaker from the Muppets.

It's R2-D2 in Jeopardy. It's that sound that you kind of get when you see a female porn star, for lack of better words, spinning like a top on the dicks of these male porn stars. And there was this one guy who was so hot-bowling. And also, it provided comedy because- it provided comedy because it provided comedy. It provided comedy. And so often the heterosexual porns that I watch do provide comedy because there are storylines.

And I love to watch these, the women act like, yeah, you can come into my nursery school. Cause all the kids, all the kids aren't here because it's Saturday. And if you come in, shut the door behind you because we don't know if kids will come in on a saturday like these really crazy narratives that like just lead to fucking where i'm like i'm fascinated by the

narrative but also want the raw sex uh-huh and this provided both because it wasn't a narrative but the situation was it's this specific channel that i watch on porn hub called hot guys fuck so it's heterosexual sex but the focus is on the man yeah okay and there is this guy that they have and you can tell they did some sort of deal with him or he was like i'll do this but you have to plug my insta throughout what so his name i'm just gonna plug his insta right here his insta handle is at d underscore red seven i think it's something like that okay but while he's fucking this girl of course who is a white girl with dreads of course he is screaming at the camera follow me i don't believe this i will send you the link i'll find the link and send you like and so this

guy to me i was laughing while i was jerking i don't believe any of this i was laughing my ass off l m a o while this was happening and it was also laughing and whacking laughing and whacking front runner for a title of app laughing and whacking i was enjoying myself so and then i literally keep going back to this video because the guy is so hot and also i think it's so funny when he's like screaming at the camera to follow him and then his insta handle will pop up on the bottom and you bet bottom and you better believe I smashed the follow button. Oh my God. You have to imagine

my thrill when I saw him this morning enthusiastically eating ass. Male ass. And fucking a man. Great. Lovely. I'm sure he has an OnlyFans where you can get more lo-fi content see and

are you subscribing to any only yeah you are i'm i'm i'm i have a little rotation going it's great do you want to raise anyone up and sort of like um signal boost anyone sure i mean speaking of speaking of bisexual people are are do you know do you know Remy? Remy de la Rem? He was on Are You the One? Yes. He's friends with Ty Sunderland. He's at all of Ty's events. He's lovely.

You follow his only events? Well, because he just started one post-COVID because nightlife people basically are out of work. Right. So this is my way of just doing it. And he has a pretty even split of like um you know all archival stuff obviously but like just footage of him just with with cis women and cis men and it's pretty it's great it's like really like expanded my horizons is this too

personal to talk about not at all i i mean we're here but it's funny to like see like you know like a friend like something not a friend but like some i mean bremmy's a friend but you know what i'm saying like basically an acquaintanceship lovely person but i mean oh i'm watching him have sex we both know tate hansen and i've been a fan of that young man we love tate for a very long time and continue to be a fan continue to be a fan yeah so it's interesting um you know who else has an only fans who i i haven't i haven't paid for it yet but they're they're providing us with a ton of content on their twitter yeah you know who i'm gonna say i'm talking about the vixen oh the vix i didn't know the vixen had an only fans the vixen has an only fans and it's wonderful. Wonderful content. Little cutie. Not little.

Big cutie. A couple things. Huge cock. A couple things. Gosh, I was writing something with Julio the other week and I wanted to drop an OnlyFans reference but then he was like, I don't think people the general public knows enough about OnlyFans. And then, wouldn't you know, Savage Remix

drops. Beyonce herself mentions it in her verse. And I'm like, okay, well, now it's like zeitgeist, truly like mainstream. Everyone knows what an OnlyFans is if he herself is like referencing it. So I love that. So we've really moved forward in the culture

during this fucking nightmare. But then also, if you love heterosex in a story, I mean, that's normal people. You're going to love it. And God, you really have to. Okay, here's the deal. Second episode, um not a spoiler they consummate their you know attraction the first time they have sex with each other it's episodes are 24 minutes long the sex scene is nine the first nine minutes of the second episode it like takes it like it feels so lived in

and it feels so and like there's this article in vulture about it about how like the the movement coach they had to work with a movement coach who was an intimate, they hired an intimacy coordinator to coach these two actors, Paul Metzgal and Daisy, oh God, Daisy Edgar. Ridley.

Daisy Ridley. No, they're both fantastic. But they had to basically do ETW shit, experimental theater wing stuff, rolling around on the floor, like movement stuff. And then they like, you can tell like,

it's so like real. I love it. It's why like you would really love it. And the readers would love it. I'm sure I'll be into it. And all the readers are into it because I'm telling you something. There is something to what you're saying about like,

I am much more turned on. Well, it's like, it's like one side of one side of the other. It's like, I either want amateur stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Or I want like intense, like broad fantasy. You know what I mean?

Like it don't exist anywhere in the middle unless it's going to be this channel. Hot guys. Fuck. Because I enjoy it. Totally. Even Sean Cody is like a little too in between. It's trying to like, it's trying to pass. It's, it's still like has like the veneer of gay for pay, which is like outdated little too in between it's trying to like it's trying to pass it's it's still like

has like the veneer of gay for pay which is like outdated at this point right i i can't really do gay for pay i i need i need it to be like gay for pay is very 2006 very 2000 like mid-aughts yeah i just i'm not interested in it like this is so funny for me to say like one of the hosts and creators of game show but like i'm not actually interested in like straight men trying it out. Like I genuinely don't care about that for me. It's like either let's have comically fake passion and let's do, let's do porn or I want, this sounds weird,

but like I want it to seem like this is really what you do. And I, I almost feel like crazy for watching it cause it's so amateur. You know what I mean? Like I love feel like crazy for watching it because it's so amateur you know what I mean like I love amateur porn love it when you see them disengage and like switch positions like okay throw this pillow under your back it's like oh this is like

this is real the real thing it's cinema verite yeah and I feel like that is I think sort of connected to what you're saying with this show normal people that's why another one of the reasons why i love girls so much is because it kind of showed regular sex in a way that to me was like hotter than watching whatever sex they're gonna pretend happens on like gray's anatomy where

you could feasibly like just after a 13 hour ship hop in the on-call room and have you know fine sex like you wouldn't smell like an ass and you're you know where their hair looks amazing remember like there was there's there's one sex scene between addison and mcsteamy in season three where they were fucking and like it was it was a good it was like a well-done sex scene but like addison's hair was like fucking styled down boots yeah meanwhile she'd be smelling like shit her pussy would be running away yeah like forget it forget like okay that's what i also watching survivor too like whenever there's like cuddling happening on survivor or like anything's happening where like i think something happened with ozzy and amanda i'm like ozzy and amanda would have to

be insane and we're gonna ask to ask Parvee about this. Okay. When she comes on. Yeah. About sex on Survivor. Because you'd have to be cuckoo bananas. To fuck in front of those people? To fuck in front of those people.

To fuck in front of cameras. You remember this show is watched by millions. Right, right, right. And also, not for nothing, but you probably smell like a damn ass hole. Oh, yeah. There's like an olfactory barrier of entry. Like truly, like it's like, I would never be so horny that I could like forgive someone's smell.

Like if everyone smells like absolute dog doo-doo, I'm like, I'm not gonna fuck. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But also another thing is if you don't have like the right kind of toilet paper and the right kind of like i know i know sort of like like hygiene material sex is actually not a good idea health-wise you know what i mean

like yeah yeah yeah you're right you're i'm saying for heteros it's like you know and that's this is why their sex is more legitimate just kidding um they like like the women like naturally lubricate and like right stuff you know it's like we forget it if it's two gays having sex on survivor could you imagine i think that honestly that's another reason why i want to go on is because i want to be the first i want to have i want to be the first the first gay to have sex i want to be the first person not only to have sex but have filthy gay, gay, illegitimate sex on Survivor. Illegitimate, yeah.

Yeah. Because remember, heterosexual sex is legitimate and homosexual sex is not. We are kidding, everyone. We're so kidding. Okay, let's, okay, should we pivot to Survivor

or we've been asked specifically to address one topic that is not Survivor. Do you know what that is? Do you remember what that is? You'll have to remind me. I have plenty to say

about Survivor, but I want to do this first. I also have to say, in the top right hand of my screen, I'm getting all these Insta and text notifications that everyone is very upset about me being voted off of Survivor quarantine. And my I Don't Think So Honey

is going to be about a well-known figure in comedy who was a part of my elimination. Oh, so I know who... I mean, you've talked about her. We've actually lifted her up on this podcast. And for her to treat me this way is she deserves a public reckoning oh my god i don't think when was the last time we burned a bridge like this i can't remember let's just say that um someone has come for me and i'll be coming for them and i actually this is an open invitation for that person to come on this very

podcast my god and uh we can actually let her know what's what and she can look at me in my face over zoom but for real outside of the game and she can explain to me what her damn reasoning was but that's going to be after my i don't think so honey on this episode later okay so you you were just you were getting into some sandra diaz twine like parlance there i mean the way that you're fired up at the way that sandra gets fired up hi bowen it's sandra from survivor i heard that you're fired up and the way that Sandra gets fired up. Hi, Bowen. It's Sandra from Survivor. I heard that you're a huge fan of the show. And, you know, Queen stays queen. We keep winning every time I go in,

except the last two times. Didn't really go my way. Didn't really go my way. Your friend Matt loves you. He says he's been podcasting with you for years now. That's really great. I'm, you know, the edge of extinction was really hard. You go.

And, you know, survivors heating up. Winners at war. We definitely have a lot of winners still competing. Not me, though. I went on a vacation to, you know, different parts of the world, which they are nice enough to let you do when you get voted off and you know you don't make it far enough and i went to an amazing store where i bought a doll that was a little bit bigger than a you know not a small doll but not a big doll where i had to

check it on the flight back to you know where i live in america so i hope i hope you're taking some time to enjoy survivors this is queen stays queen sassy sandra your friend matt loves you and adios adios by the way everyone what we're doing is we're doing sandra diaz twine cameo memes if you want the best cameo of your life you got to get sandra diaz twine from survivor to send you one because they are on point they are long they are also always advertisements for the CBS show Survivor Parvati also does

really good cameos oh I love Parvati does cameos in a way that makes me want to do cameos does that make any sense I'm like oh this like she's making it look fun and easy I did a ton of cameos today actually for Mother's Day oh that's sweet it's good easy money for for those of us who aren't on um huge nbc uh oh my god shows i can i can i tell you i was like i want to do i want to do cameo like when when covid first hit i was like when when quarantine was first hopping i was like

i thought you were gonna start i wanted start, but then it was to start so I can raise money for stuff. But I was like, whatever, I sound so... Well, it's never too late. And I do enjoy doing cameos. PR shot it down, of course. Oh, you're not allowed to do it.

Parvs are so fun. Parvs are great. Parvs are great. I don't know if I can do an impression. Here's my impression of Parvs cameos, actually. Ready? Yeah. Hey, Marissa, it's Parvati and I heard that you're having a really

kind of tough day in quarantine and I think that what you should think of is mindfulness. And this is a mantra that I do sometimes to focus myself. I hear my baby crying so I have to do it really fast. It's this.

And are you breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth? Then you're doing it right. Okay. Thanks for watching Survivor and keeping it on the air all these years.

Okay. Bye. That was really good. That was fine. That was good. Can I take a stab? Yeah, you can do it. Okay.

Hey Marissa, it's your friend Parvati from Survivor. Yeah. You're doing so good um this is so good i heard that you're a little bit of a survivor head um well maybe you can get up to some fun um this quarantine you know sneak something in there um anyway marianne williamson always says is it necessary is it kind is? Is it important? Yes.

Okay. You've been watching her YouTube videos too. All right. So now, now, now that I, now that there's no more of poverty left to watch, have you done the same thing I've done where I've now fallen into her content? I fall into her content. She gives great, great speeches. She's a, she's a life coach as we know. Um, I've also been lot of sandra diaz twine interviews as well oh those are my two girls i mean my girls are obviously sandra and parvati because i'm not a true idiot like obviously i'm with it and with the times and i know that if you're gonna be following people you have to be following sandra diaz twine and parvati because with sandra you always get some real honest to god shit talk yes she is truly the realist one i hate russell i i hate russell and he knows i hate him and i think he's bad he's a bad person

and i think he should never be allowed on the show again queen stays queen and his wife hates him she's being real nice to him now but i think that's a facade his wife hates him i actually know his wife hates him and it's not it's not it's not it's not difficult to see and how could you like him he's bad and she's saying i love that she's saying this like while he's next turn yes yes and it's amazing it's amazing she's literally an iconic person in film and television and very happy that we have her and then the other thing is with parvati i now i follow her on instagram yes i really appreciate her content

there i did actually a whole breathing exercise with parvati oh my god where it was amazing and really worked and she so she is and we're gonna have her on the show next week and she's gonna talk about her children's book on the otter oh and um so it's basically it's like teaching kids and young people and like encouraging mothers to mindfulness and also using these yoga breathing techniques because you know the reason she was able to raise her hand up for six hours in that challenge which is unbelievable was she she essentially says on her YouTube channel that she left her body. And so I really want to like talk to her about this.

Yeah, it's beautiful. I mean, like the extreme examples are like some Buddhist kid sitting in one place for like two months, no eating, no drinking. I should also say she's now my phone background. Wow. Circa fans versus favorites favorites circa micronesia

this is i believe a picture of her from it looks like heroes versus villains actually this is like a very lived in knowing parvati yeah moment i was just gonna say what you get with her is sort of like sort of like advanced yoga techniques but also like very good entry level stuff and she has amazing videos on her youtube channel which i wish she'd do more of that which like sort of like advanced yoga techniques, but also like very good entry level stuff. And she has amazing videos on her YouTube channel, which I wish she'd do more of that, which are life coachy type things. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then with Sandra, it's just pure shit talk, like bass bitch on the street, you know? Right. Right.

Did you, did you, did you watch the little phone interview they did? Both of them, um, where it was, it was, it was before winners at war or no.

Yeah. It was before winners at war no yeah it was before winners at war had been announced and like someone was they were on the phone together with the interviewer the interviewer is like parvati like what would make you want to compete again in survivor and then it's just parvati and sandra like screaming at each other over the phone and parvati's like well sandra keeps saying that she's the queen but like you know like blah blah it's amazing and then and then sandra really like, queen stays queen, blah,

blah, blah. It's so, so good. Well, my favorite thing ever that ever happened on Survivor is,

spoiler alert, after you find out Sandra Diaz-Twine wins Heroes vs. Villains, she's at the reunion wearing a little crown. Yes. And Jeff Probst goes,

so Sandra, what does this mean? And Sandra just goes, it means I'm the queen. And that's it. A little tiara. A little tiara. A tiny little tiara.

And she says, it means I'm the queen. It means I'm the queen. And so that's where Queenstays Queen was born from. Yes. And she presides over all of survivor to this day but i want to ask you because while we've been off air you've sort of really caught up with a whole bunch of survivor and what are your broad impressions now before we get into what everyone's been asking us to comment on okay yes this is perfect um my broad my broad thoughts are it's it's not what i expected in terms i here's what i'll say i so

respect and admire and i'm so impressed by how it has maintained a tone does that make sense for these for 20 years for 40 seasons where it's like it's not about like it's not a reality show where it's trying to get like people to lose their tempers or lose their shit and like no snipe at each other it's like so this goes without saying but it's so like strategic it's so like you really it's such a cerebral thing to watch yes as a viewer as as a way of keeping up with the the chess pieces and it really is this 3d chess thing where like oh oh my God, like there's just a million different strategies you can approach it with. All of them probably equally viable. It's like really, I'm just like so, so, so, so, so like amazed by how like manifold and complex it is, like of a show it is and how it's kept that going for so long.

I love it. Well, it's really changed over time. Like this is actually going to be, we've been fools this whole episode long but to really kind of make a cultural analysis on this show yeah when it began it really was about strangers learning how to survive together and it was sort of about you know large narratives over the episodes would be did that person sneak in some beef jerky from outside of the show um how are we going to get the fire started etc and so over time it sort of moved away from the survival aspect toward being a very very specific show about social gameplay and social strategy but like it's a it's it's a show that's about how people behave under artificial or organic or you know whatever like under any kind of social structure where

they feel like they're like in backed into a corner in a social situation or in a physical situation or they feel like they have the upper hand it's like watching people behave i mean like people like you know i mean the the the the direct comparison that people make all the time is that it's very like lord of the flies right in a way but like it's it's um it's interesting i will say it's also fun to think about the ways in which like a game like this kind of somehow pushes like ideological things right to the forefront like implicit bias among like white players is very apparent i think i i sent you that article yes um so that article was specifically uh looking at a season of the show millennials versus gen x which um zeke smith was

on yeah so that was his first season who we know from outside just being a character on the show yes so that show was specifically or that season was specifically being looked at under that lens and it really does show you how attitudes outside of the show do kind of creep in and it's actually been interesting to watch the show over the past like four or five years because it almost seems like there is an awareness of these things in the culture and so because of the cultural awareness of these things like racial bias implicit and explicit yeah like um you know uh sexism like the transphobia transphobia exactly like the me too mindfulness of me too is a thing in the last five six years those things get thought about and manipulated in ways they did

not 10 12 years ago so for example you put a season like cook islands or as the fandom have called it race wars yeah you put that on now I think you get a much uglier season yes yes you would have right you're right and yet somehow like a lot of the conversation around this is like oh well back then it was worse or whatever but like

I mean it's just more inflamed now that it was like it's it's it's a different it's a different sensitivity now than it was back in you know 2006 2000 or no it's not sorry 2003 2004 yeah yeah when It's a different sensitivity now than it was back in 2006, 2000. No, sorry, 2003, 2004. Do you know the ins and outs of what happened with the whole Me Too scandal on the last season? Sort of. Not in every detail, but basically.

So basically what happened was very, very early on in the season, a contestant, Kelly, came forward and said that she was uncomfortable with the way she was being touched by another contestant kelly came forward and said that she was um uncomfortable with the way she was being touched by another uh contestant damn and she confided in this to other women on her tribe and she kind of said to producers as well and producers broke the fourth wall and on the season you can see them checking in with her and saying well you know that if you're uncomfortable you can tell us and we'll do something about it. And she gives a verbal yes, et cetera. However, in the narrative of the season, women that she told about this use it against her

and she gets eliminated. After that happens, he actually is pulled from the game because he tried something with a crew member on the way back from a tribal council. But at that point, this girl had already been eliminated and a large narrative up to her elimination was these other women using against her, her accusation. So it's very interesting

because without the conversation in the mainstream, does this play out the way it would have or did? And what are the differences there? Because it's not the first time this has happened on the show. And then you get into this argument around whether or not Survivor really is like a microcosm for society as it happens. But yeah, it's really a lot to think about. You know, I think ultimately, like that is why I love the show too,

is because while ugly things happen, weird things happen, you know, there's moments of triumph and despair. It is ultimately a tool to see, you know, this person acted this way. Let's examine that. Why? You know, something that's,

watching the show now and binging the show now, you see how much more difficult it is for a POC person to enter a situation like that because they have to negotiate their behavior 10 times more. Like someone like, you haven't seen this season. I recommend that you watch this season, Millennials vs. Gen X. But there is a fantastic contestant named Mikayla who's a young black woman.

And you kind of see her have to negotiate her behavior because the second she does something, she's immediately the angry black woman and is on outs. Yep, yep, yep, yep. second she does something she's immediately the angry black woman and is on outs yep and you know um it's it's just very interesting to see different contestants grapple with their perceived self yeah as opposed to their true self and that's one of the reasons why the show is so interesting and that adaptation over time has been so has been so interesting to watch it's, and like, I don't know if this specifically applies to Ciri, but like, from what people tell me, they're like, well, it does have a problem.

It has had historically a problem with like painting like a black person or a black woman specifically as like lazy. And so like, does this, does that specifically, so the way that like you could apply that to someone like Ciri Fields, one of the most amazing contestants, players of the game. her whole arc is stan sari her whole arc is that she was like she she was watching from her couch like people always bring up how she she was the woman on the couch and then she did it

and then she was scared of leaves and now she can like do all these physical challenges and she's like a force to be reckoned with like i like you weigh that against like okay okay, but at the, like, it's still the absolute value of that. It's still, she was lazy. She was perceived as lazy. Right. And so we see what, what is a lazy and unhelpful narrative, which is,

which is actually being used by the show to show her growth, but it's still began from something unhelpful. Totally. And then I, and racist, then i and racist it's not it's not completely one-to-one but that was my whole thing with pg i was like oh she's she's a little too plotty she's like a little too nefarious and like i told her this myself i was like i had to because in my insta story where i talk about that someone sent her i was like i really didn't like her at first so i was like i have to explain this to her. I was like, I had to check my own implicit bias on this, in terms of this like racial self-loathing,

let's call it, where I'm like, I see an Asian person, an Asian woman on screen. And she's like, she's playing the game the way she should be playing it. But then my, it immediately translates to me, another Asian person even as, wow. She's a try hard. Or she's like dragon lady,

or she's like, you know she's like you know like a little too like devious and i'm like whoa that that kind of fucked me up and then the arc beautifully turns into this thing where she like fucking stays in way longer than people are people expect her to and really really endears herself to a lot of people earn many fans and like i said before is voted back into another season by the fans yeah you know it's interesting you say that because with the gay contestants yeah i immediately something inside me doesn't take them seriously i'm like oh that that fool you know what i mean like and it's just interesting because that is something that's coming from inside the house.

Yes, yes. Because two of the winners, in fact, the number one, maybe most iconic contestant who created the alliance. Yeah. That was Richard Hatch. Richard Hatch, yeah. And one of the winners, again, since then, Todd Herzog from China, an incredible plotter, an incredible social strategist. But the way that the show frames them and the way that I perceive them as someone with an implicit bias, even though I too am gay, he's never going to win. Sure.

Wow, wow, wow. They call him like they're going through everyone's like occupations in the the very beginning and they're like he's the flight attendant he's the flight attendant not only that gay mormon flight attendant right meanwhile they don't call denise straight lunch lady you know what i mean like it's it's just so interesting like sexuality and race are qualifiers to these people but not everyone else this sounds maybe kind of psychotic, but it's the way that I feel whenever I see people be like, Bowen plays gay Asian characters only exclusively on SNL. And I'm like, well, that's because you flatten the context completely to only really register those things about me. But I like, I'm not going to like change that on screen. You know, it's like,

I can choose to address it or not address it. And also it's this book that I finished, Minor Feelings An Asian American Reckoning by Kathy Park Hong. She has this whole essay in the book where she started at the Iowa Writers Workshop and faced this frustration where she was like, they tell you to write what you know so I feel like I have to write about Asian stuff.

But if I were to say write about nature let's say, the feeling around that is everyone being like, well, why is this Asian girl writing about nature? Why isn't she writing about Asian stuff? I don't know. But this is all to say that like Survivor is a Rorschach test for the viewer. Like you see what you want to see out of it. I think that, you know, it's human nature to see something and want to know what it is, to want to identify it, to want to be able to figure something out.

And so I think that is something with you on Saturday Night Live. It's like people see you on screen in this context and a lot of people don't know what to do with it. So what they do is they say that's the gay asian that's what he does yeah and it's unfair and it is it's implicit i love playing the gays i love playing the asians i i would say in terms of like if we're going to split this up like distribution wise like i played i've played characters who were like the sketch doesn't like revolve around those identities either but it's like no it's like, no, it's like people will see that as

oh, he's gay and Asian. But I would hope that people would understand how insane it is to say about you, he always plays Asians? But I'm saying, right, right. Isn't that funny? But this is what we're saying.

It's like, you know, it like we we kind of just like very quickly as a way to manage expectations about people that other human beings yeah we just collapse them down to like certain things gay flight attendant did you watch um the so i'm about to binge all of winners at war very quickly even starting tonight so have. So have you started? Have you started yet? I started the first episode. Okay, so I'm also going to start the first episode. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. But we should, yes, we should say

that like... To do this with you. Again, there's a huge gap in sort of like fandom and understanding. We're just coming at this as full-on newbies, neophytes, and we love it. And we hope, because I'm getting a lot of people being like oh god bowen's like bowen has an opinion on a season that's like 15 years old i'm like yeah but like we gotta start somewhere anyway keep going it's still a piece of art and

it's a piece of entertainment that is up for cultural critique and i don't actually maybe you guys forgot what this podcast is but it's but this is what the podcast is and this is what we do and this is what we like to do together so we're just going to continue doing that if that's okay with you if that's okay if that and i think it's okay with the vast majority of people yeah yeah yeah um but i was going to ask you if you watch the special the clip that i that i sent you i did Did you see that Yule, by the way, who's daddy and king. Yes. King. King Yule.

Who won Cook Islands. So hot. Did you see? So fucking hot. And like part of, I think, one of the most iconically hot scenes in Survivor history, which was him and Ozzy getting the mud off of their bodies in the bucket. Yes. Yes.

That was truly canon. And if you want something to absolutely, um, like, like, like, you know, pushing, yeah.

Pushing the mud off of their like washboard. Oh my God. You so hot. But did you see that? He acknowledged this. He said on his original season, he felt the need to represent his community. And,

and you also think about the way he played the game. Very much numbers driven, very cerebral, maybe the most cerebral of all time. Respectable. He had to like be respectable as an Asian man. Right. And I think that that, in this interview where he says, the first time I played, I felt I had to play a certain way.

He did it successfully, but it makes you think like like i don't think he could have played a better game no but if he were to be quote-unquote free of that thing of i have to represent my community if you will what else would his game have looked like what would it look like this time you know it's interesting it's so interesting it's kind of the reason why all of that tribe the puka tribe for that the the initial asian tribe on cook islands um kind of like railed on cowboy a little bit so cowboy is this um vietnamese sort of older man um on the tribe who like will like pull out like will do like kind of hackneyed asian jokes or do the accent or whatever they were they were not feeling it and the rest of the tribe who like will like pull out like will do like kind of hackneyed asian jokes or do the accent or whatever yeah they were they were not feeling it and the rest of the tribe members were

like you gotta stop and like totally totally valid response reaction right but it's like for a first season that's pretense upon race like of course especially asian people are gonna be like we gotta like come off okay because you're you because that asian community would be the least represented by a wide margin yes media yeah absolutely and and even on survivor absolutely i mean definitely there had not been that many asian contestants i love that yao man was the originator of the fake idol trick love it that's genius i think that's one of the most genius moves in Survivor. Yes, especially when you can create one that looks real. Yes.

I mean, like, and it's nothing better than watching someone present a fake idol at a tribal council and then Jeff being like, this is not a thing. Yeah, that's great. And we should shout out Queen Eliza.

Queen Eliza. From Micronesia who played a fake idol. And she goes, okay, well then Ozzy has it. I mean, great move. Great move. I mean, amazing. But then she went on the jury and was iconic on the jury. It's actually cultural canon Eliza's performance on the Micronesia jury.

Giving you every jaw dropped, every eyebrow raised, every like go like googly eye yes we're very in it with survivor yes we're going to be watching all of winners at war and then parvati is coming on next week and we will be discussing it with her and then for everyone that hasn't been as into the survivor discussion don't worry we will be moving forward in our cultural discourse but this is a big moment for Survivor and it's a big moment in both Bowen and I's quarantines it's been like a thing we've enjoyed so yes thank you

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friendship circle. To you. Someone's cheating? We've got you on that. In-laws are in-lying? Let's get into it. Toxic friendship? Air it out. We're on your side to help you with your concerns. Talk about ours. And every once in a while, bring on an awesome guest to get their take on the things that you bring us. While we may be unlicensed to advise, we're going to do it anyway. Listen to Call It What It Is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we're back. Matt, we're specifically asked to mention and to talk about one thing that's happened in the culture in the past in the past week i mean it's only been a couple days um yeah we sure were there's a bunch of other stuff i want to talk about um we don't have to

talk about it should we talk about the adult stuff no that's that's too tricky i well here's the thing i think that we have to talk about it okay but I think that like I understand your hesitation and even bringing it up and I I actually think that it is a really it's tough to talk about because anytime a well-known person reappears on the world stage and they look really different you would say oh that that there's a large difference there yes this is where it's tricky is because you have to sort of as someone who's a fan you have to change the way that you may have always responded to this which is like with concern for her which is with um you know judgment of her because something that i have been woken up to in the whole narrative on Adele's

weight is when you, and especially when men, gay men, straight men, anyone who's looking through the male gaze, when you are discussing or having an opinion on women's weight in the public eye that is an attempt to control that woman's weight that is an attempt to control the narrative around a woman's weight exactly and that is patriarchy that is toxic yeah and so you want to have like a sort of reaction to the new Adele right you know by all means like she is the new Adele this is what she looks like now I think that we all can register that it's different yeah but when you come out and say she shouldn't look like this or she should look like that what you're doing I think is attempting to control her body yes Not to tie it back to Survivor, but the way we said Survivor is a Rorschach test,

it's not, I'm not saying that this journey with Adele is the same thing, but it will be a reflective surface in some way to draw out a very specific worldview you have as someone who's like, well, her divorce is doing, this is her divorce and she's really dealing with it poorly. It must be trauma.

You're like, wait a minute. Yeah, that say that's that's that's actually psychotic and but it's a way but it's it's also another sort of um variation on just collapsing context and arriving at this like wild narrative about like well, you know, starving herself or she's like not doing this in a healthy way. It's like, it's, it's the only, only thing you can say about this is that to be a woman is to be imprisoned. Like that's all it is. And I think that that is what's arriving out of this whole moment is that it really doesn't matter who you are. If you are a woman, your appearance is going to be scrutinized, torn apart. She could not have won. Honestly, the only winning here would be for her to never have been seen again.

Exactly. And is that what you want? I don't think that's what you want. I understand the reactions that everyone is having but i do think that after everything we've been through as a culture over the past you know in a public way few years but for women hundreds thousands of years yeah we have to say at this point like no you know what we're actually going to be better about this totally let's be better about this and not make her feel insane either way because there's so many more interesting conversations to have and it's

it's it's obvious that it ate up the whole narrative the whole cultural narrative totally but it's just like i do think we have to ask ourselves to be more responsible about the way like don't worry about the message that she's sending to right to to be more responsible about the way like don't worry about the message that she's sending to right to to other women worry about why it's a message right you know what i mean we carry the message from seeing it to the ears of let's say young girls or other women don't reinforce something negative i mean yeah at this point it's like the damage has been done quote-unquote, where it's like the reaction was just so strong that

you're like, oh god, I guess we haven't really progressed in any way around this. It reminds me of Renee Zellweger. Yes! It's not quite the same thing. That was specifically about her face and not about weight, but it's like it it's about appearance it's about a woman's physical

appearance it's taking her narrative from her yes and and that is wrong yeah yeah everyone it's wrong to do and you know what you might even have something to say about you know the way we've talked about things on this podcast of course because a guaranteed 100 yes we have been wrong about the way we've spoken about people and we are men and we like are fully we are we are we are executioners in the project of patriarchy and we are also like we're men like like like that is like right it's an implicit thing about us we're like that that makes us bad is what i know 100 hundred percent and i i would say that it is an opportunity for a growing moment for everyone to be able to say and i i think i disagree that that like the damage has already been done because i think that one way we can be helpful right now

in discussing it is by saying let's change the way that historically we may have spoken about this yeah because we know what it does to women totally we know that it makes women feel like shit you guys like it's you we we can't do this it's so much harder to be a woman or just in general female presenting or you know let's not contribute to pain hi readers it's bowen so in this half of the episode matt and i talk about the allison roman controversy but we just wanted to disclaim that we recorded this the day before Alison Roman issued an apology via her Twitter and screenshots of her word processor of choice. So that is some background for you. Okay, enjoy. Okay, so this is the actual thing that people want us to address.

And it is also about how femininity is a prison, I think. Right. So people really wanted us to talk about the Alison Roman snafu. Not snafu. What would you call it? Well, I would call it a snafu. Snafu. I sure would. You're doing a long A sound.

Okay. I would call it a snafu. Snafu. But the fact of the matter is this was something that was definitely a feud online. And I think it's another interesting conversation. Yes, it's very interesting. The way you can boil it down is Alison Roman was

essentially talking shit about Chrissy Teigen saying that she was a sellout for having a product line. And Marie Kondo. Let's not forget. And throwing in Marie Kondo and being like, these women are sellouts and I don't aspire to be like them. And the way that they've decided to roll out their business and do business.

Right. And Alison Roman was then sort of dragged by Chrissy Teigen who said, wow, this really hurts me as someone who really likes you and even signed on to EP a show you were doing. Um, and it really sucks that I'm being attacked by this person. I respect it really ruined my day today.

You know, it caused a whole fervor online. Yeah, I mean, it's, can we objectively say, I mean, she was just, she was just talking shit. But it's like in a way that, in a way that like probably seems casual or to her, she's probably been, she doesn't have, like, she was kind of priding herself on not having, like, like media managers or like people who, like,

told her what to say in these situations, perhaps. I don't know the full, the full context of this, but like, she basically was like,

wow, these women are sellouts and then caps off the interview by being like, I'm working with a company that makes spoons that used to exist but don't

exist anymore so that feels authentic to me you know like that was kind of the thing that was the dissonant thing for everybody i think i feel like she was caught talking shit but i don't know what you expect when you say that to like a media publication yeah yeah yeah which is weird like and the fact that like they were going to be involved together in business and have had a friendly relationship was very weird to me. I think that ultimately what you can boil this down to is I think you can filter things that you say, if you can believe, into things you want to say and maybe think

and things that you need to say and are fact. You know what I think this is okay tell me if you think this but there's a distinction there's it's a tonal thing where sometimes i'll be like an interview with people.com is different than an interview with sam jones or with like barbara walters let's you know like right like the interview between Oprah and Barbara Walters is like so raw and intimate. And like, you get these moments out of it that are like,

Oprah's like, I bought a car. Cause I could, or she's like, you know, I don't know a better person. Like you get like these like crazy things where they get real. And then even,

do you know, you know, like you not show off camera with Sam Jones. I love it. I actually don't know it. It's a, it's a black and white, like YouTube show.

I mean, it's on Vimeo that you pay for episodes but it's like it's actors like really talking like talking about process and it's like getting down to it and he's asking very provocative questions that like leave it open for them to like get really candid and like potentially not talk shit but like have like be disarmed in a way that you just sort of are unfiltered. I feel like she was probably, I'm not like excusing it. What I think happened was she kind of got totally caught off guard and was like,

and felt comfortable saying all this stuff. I think that's definitely what happened. And I also think an element of it, I feel badly that she doesn't have a filter. I feel like that's something she's got to examine about herself. But she's never had to develop one. She's never had to develop one

as a person who checks her demographic boxes. I think that's definitely true. And I do think that what you can't forget here is that she assumed, I think it was her implicit bias towards Chrissy Teigen that Chrissy Teigen was stupid yeah and I think that she thought this about two women who are alike in a certain way yeah and I think that unfortunately

she got caught in a little bit of a tough tough predicament there because you said it and you would you have said it about Martha Stewart would you have said it about any other would you have said it about Anthony would you have said it about all these other people but you specifically targeted two women of color two asian women don't be surprised when people have something to say about it and the fact of the matter is you assumed they were too stupid to either hear it or just took their personhood away from them like oh they're not really people they won't really ever hear this right and go ahead and say that's not what was happening it was what was happening and it's it's just it's very interesting i think people have pointed this out that she

apologized to chrissy did not apologize did not address the marie thing at all and also her her knee-jerk reaction was not to apologize it was exactly baby's first instagram backlash it's i mean internet backlash it's like girl what also baby's first like it's not 2018 um sorry i'm being a bitch no she just she seems like a jerk to me and also she said something nasty about ben platt two weeks ago two weeks ago i sent it to you and i was like what is this i was like this is really fucking weird her tweet was i really want to like ben platt but he makes it so hard which is this sort of like like bullshit non-joke that like is so like neil patrick harris on rachel bloom to me at the tony awards where

it's like exactly you obviously are a very comfortable person to sit from behind your phone and make this like mean assessment of someone that I guess you think because you said sort of humorously and you know it will get likes. You think is something actually contributing to the discourse in a comedic way. Honey, it's not. It's well, I don't know. I just my thing with a full disclosure. I've made the shallot pasta. It's delicious. No one's saying she's not talented.

We're just saying she's a jerk. But you, I don't know. This might be going too far, but you can just tell from the vibe of the videos that this is someone who has been told that they are funny and charming, which they probably are.

They might be. But funny in a way that, like, conflates, like, actual humor with, like, an offhand comment. Or not even an offhand comment, just a comment that's slightly editorialized, and that's even a generous word to use. But, like, she's, like, chopping.

She's, like, cutting shallots, and she's like, isn't this so interesting? Are you getting me cutting this? Like, this is so... You know, it's like, do you know what I'm saying? It's like cutting shallots and she's like isn't this so interesting you're gonna be cutting this like this is so like she you know it's like you know what i'm saying it's like look i i bet she'd be fun to have a glass of wine with maybe even you know i'm sure we would talk great shit together but when you become a public person and then you're saying it to a media outlet yes it says a lot about you when you feel comfortable enough to say this stuff. Yeah, my thing with Marie Kondo, the Marie Kondo at all,

is like, and I told this to you earlier in the week, where I was like, she doesn't feel the need to apologize to Marie because maybe because Marie doesn't care to call her out or because, you know, the East Asian woman is docile and, you know, she doesn't have to worry about it. Do you almost feel like, like when people took it to race immediately, I was kind of like, there was a part of me that was like, see, now let's not like, would she have attacked someone that could have been, like, quote unquote, her gay? You know what I mean?

Would she have done this to Anthony? Like, maybe, maybe not. We'll never know because she didn't give us the opportunity because she didn't target any white people. She only targeted women of color who are entrepreneurs. You know what I mean? And it's unfortunate. And, like, I wish we didn't have to like in discussing this call that out but what are you gonna do not right right right um it's i don't know i i will say this this i don't think this will really come back to bite me in the ass and this i don't feel like this is a jerky thing to say but like

i don't know i've just like i've had that i know that girl this is this is this is my time to say you know that girl we do know that girl we know and i who did i say this about on survivor i was like i was talking about maybe like candace or something no i was talking about amanda i was talking about courtney i was talking about courtney i was like courtney from china and heroes versus villains oh no well this is my no this is my thing the thing about PG that was and I'm sorry to use this word triggering was it was like these like it was like the

yeah I guess it does have to do with like the Courtney and the Amanda and probably even the Todd of it all where it's like these like three like catty like in their corner white people being like types yeah types who are like we're not gonna and then like this and then denise todd and courtney i think went to the great wall and had this hot

pot dinner and then todd's talking about todd's talking about oh the chinese guy comes over and is like and and then and then it's the three of them like being like what is this what how do we eat this what right it's like oh my god like being like, what is this? What do, how do we eat this? What? And I was just like, oh my God. Like this is taking me back to like middle school where like white kids would come to my house and be like, your house smells weird. Smells weird. What is this? How do I use this?

And like all this, and I'm like, oh fuck. And like, I know this person on like a visceral, like sense memory level. I'm, I'm'm i'm back there and with with with the alice in roman of it all like i'm just like i know this girl and i i think she doesn't i think for some reason she like doesn't like me not in a way i'm not i'm not turning this on me in terms of a victimhood narrative i'm just saying like she like it's bad vibes it's bad vibes and the vibe is she's a natural bully. And that's what it is.

And I think that that's like, famous natural vindicated bully in reality television, Roxy Andrews herself. Roxy. Natural, natural bully. Yes. Born with the instinct

to belittle others. Yes. For whatever reason. And you know what this ultimately says? What this ultimately says what this ultimately says about someone like alice in roman i don't know her personally she obviously has damage that she has not dealt with that she feels like she has to pick on someone like this and maybe she felt because she was punching so up because it's chrissy tegan that she was that she felt like it

that she felt like it wasn't a punch down but but it came out of nowhere and she didn't need to do it. And she wasn't earning any respect or fans by saying it. And so therefore, it is something to examine. She is not irredeemable. She's just a jerk. She's a jerk and she's acted like a jerk. And she's done the first thing, which is she got around to apologizing.

But I think it's like an examination you have to do now about why you felt comfortable to do that. and you know she's done the first thing which is she got around to apologizing yeah but i think it's like an examination you have to do now about why you felt comfortable to do that and it's like a deeper thing that she can do on her own time i don't necessarily care to see her do it in public i don't care for her public persona at this moment but it's not over for her and we're not saying fuck her cancel her no we're saying she did something that there is something to be learned from and that's what that's what's actually it kind of bothers me when people are like alice in romans canceled it's like i'm sure they're like exaggerating or they're being i don't know just kind of like willfully extreme about it but it's like no she's not canceled she's we're just like shitting on her because holding her accountable no no but we're

just we're it's that we're it's like people are just shitting on her for this like dumb thing she said, but it's like, she will redeem. Like she will be fine. Well, I'm saying no, she'll be more than fine. Someday in the next like few years,

she'll do something where like people are going to fall in love with her again. And we're going to be like, Oh God, like this whole thing. It's like this old chest nut. It, it, it's like, she's not done. She's not, she's like, no to be like, oh God, like this whole thing. It's like this old chestnut. It's like she's not done. She's not, she's like, no one's like,

she's not, she's not been like deprived of any opportunities besides this show that Chrissy was going to EP maybe. But it's like, this is the whole thing. The reason Alison apologized to Chrissy falls on like capitalist grounds anyway. It was about money. It was about a transaction. That's all. That's all.

That's all it was. Which is ironic. Makes it even shittier. Ironic, it makes it even shittier. Like that's why like I don't respect, I don't respect the apology either. So whatever. I mean, but I think that it's interesting

when it comes to the whole cancel culture discussion because it's almost become like such an annoying pair of words. Not even almost become, it is such an annoying pair of words and not even almost become it is such an annoying pair of words because it's not like i don't ever want unless someone does something really harmful or evil i don't want them erased off the face of the earth every time i go on twitter and i see blank blank is over party which seems to happen with like sean mendez once a week

i don't understand what people are doing but But every time that happens, I'm like, this is so sicko and crazy. Like, it's not cancel culture. It's accountability culture. It's when you say something fucked up, you are accountable for the things that you say. Every hour of this podcast, every second of this podcast, you can find something that we've said. We are accountable for all of it. And I hope've said we are accountable for all of it yes i hope that i would be accountable for stupid shit yes and we we will hold ourselves accountable for i mean i've gotten like i mean i i've been approached and i i said i said something two

episodes ago um that like was like problematic and someone people no people multiple people reached out and they were like you you have like sincerely wronged us and this group of people and i was like yes i apologize i'm so sorry there's no excuse for it um so yes i mean like that that's that's all it is it's it's just an accountability but again that is like what this podcast is i mean it is observing the culture and then you know commenting on it in a hopefully fun way yeah but the fact of the matter is like with something like alice and roman everyone wanted us to talk about it yeah yeah and i'll tell you what i'm not gonna say is fuck her she

should lose all financial opportunity i think that it's like wow like you're almost a straight woman getting fucked you're almost a straight woman getting fucking important but it's like, wow. Like you said, straight woman getting fucked. You were almost a straight woman getting fucked. But it's like you said, the woman makes amazing shallots. No, no. Yeah. She makes the shallots.

So she should be able to make her shallots. No, no, no, no, no. And, and,

and the other thing about her recipes that people are commenting on, which I agree, but the shallot recipe is, is fine. But like, she really does like Caucasian eyes, ethnic food. Like her whole chickpea stew is like, oh, okay does Caucasianize ethnic food. Her whole chickpea stew is like, okay, you're just like

you think sumac is gonna make this cool? I don't know. Her recipes are also like, hmm, eyebrow raise. Here's what I'm saying. If you're gonna follow anyone on the New York Times, it better be Melissa Clark because she has been there since the beginning and she will teach you how to perfectly

roast a turkey every Thanksgiving and and everyone on the bon appetit test kitchen staff on camera is amazing i just did a dinner party with christina che it was so fun i was so starstruck it was so cool she's the coolest girl everyone on the bon appetit test kitchen staff i love so much matt you would love bon appetit test kitchen i've told you about andy baraghani before you love him um yes i do you would love clary you would love carla you would love a, you would love Bon Appetit Test Kitchen. I've told you about Andy Baraghani before. You love him. Yes, I do. You would love Claire. You would love Carla. You would love Sola. You would love everybody. Oh my God. I mean, literally

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I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. And we are back and it is time for I Don't Think So Honey, which is a little segment where we take one minute to rail against something in culture that has wronged us

that we feel needs to be dressed down. And now at this time, I feel like we can say we actually are attempting to film this one for a little visual moment. We're having varying degrees of success. I'm confident that we will sort of get this down to a point where, you know,

you just, you just set it, forget it as our, as our, as our video person, Mark is saying, lovely, lovely.

Set it and forget it. We'll get there. But you know, you historically are a lot better with the whole technology of it all than I am. So we will see. I'm seeing a lot of progress

and I'm so proud of the progress you've made. I really am. Thank you. All I really ever of progress and I'm so proud of the progress you've made I really am all I really ever want is for you to be proud of me alright so now we're going to do I Don't Think So Honey and I do have one that I alluded to earlier in the episode and this gives me no joy to do this oh my god

gives me no joy but at least it sets up a future guest hopefully we'll see I hope so she can come and explain herself. Okay. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey Mary Holland. You can follow

her at Mary Holland Days and absolutely bomb her with emojis because she on Survivor underscore quarantine on Instagram lied to my face and told me that we were in an alliance and guess what she did? She turned around and voted me out of the damn game.

And I don't even think it was a good gameplay move for her. Mary Holland, you might be one of the most talented improvisers that is on the face of the earth. Well, at least in this country, the United States of America, but you made a piss poor decision when you voted me out of this fake survivor

game at survivor underscore quarantine and i have to say i hope that you don't win and i hope that someone that you respect and love says one thing to your face turns around and does another even though it was a game i took it very personally and i forgot to say one thing as i left the zoom at two mary which means you too mary and let me tell you who said that. Julius Caesar said that when he was stabbed in the back. And you've done that on Instagram to me, Mary Holland. I don't think so, honey.

And that's one minute. Oh my God. Mary Holland, friend of Lauren Lapkus. I thought friend to me. I thought ally and alliance member to me has voted me. Wild Horses icon of the fabled improv group, Wild Horses. Check out the new show robbie on um youtube i guess because comedy central i guess rest in peace um which we have not discussed but i don't think we need to we don't need to mary holland is the star of that show and let's just say that

while you should check out her work and she's a comedic genius she's very funny she's she's a genius she's actually hilarious you called her a comedic genius and then's very funny. She's a genius. She's actually hilarious. You called her a comedic genius and then I followed up with she's very funny as if that was like... You contributed there. She actually hurt me very deeply and I'm waiting for her to reach out and that has not happened at this time. But we'll see.

Can I ask you a question? Sure. Do you hope that she makes it to final tribal council so that you have a chance to publicly take her to task? Because or I mean, the other scenario is she gets voted off and she joins you in the jury. But like, you know, you won't have a platform to like, you know, really dig into her unless she comes on the podcast. Let's just say this. I don't want to speak to her at all.

Oh, my God. Unless it's at that final tribal council. Yes. Or on this podcast. I will not be speaking to her at all. So she comes on this podcast. I will not be speaking to her at all. So she comes on this podcast. You will not speak to her. No,

no, no. I will speak to her on the podcast, but not until then or the final tribal council. Um, I am very hurt. Oh my God. And,

and, and as real a way as you can be by something that happened on Instagram. Um, but I don't know i think i think we could have gone pretty far together and she she played game on me and i would respect it if i think it was a good move for her but i don't think it was i i don't think it was and i will talk about it okay okay love that but i just to be hurt in this way and and by this way, I mean a moderately real way, based on something that happened on Instagram during a fake game, is really something.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's really something. It's really something. And it's still evolving. Oh, yeah.

My feelings on it are forming and morphing and changing all the time. But while I continue to sort that out, it is going to be actually your turn, Bowen Yang, to do I Don't Think So Honey. Are you ready? I'm ready. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey lip care.

I'm holding three things. It's visual, guys. I'm holding lip balm, lip conditioner, and lip pack. What the hell is the difference between those three things? Why are you inflating the market with different names for things when it should only be one thing you put on your lips it's too much for me to keep track of wait can we can i get confirmation have i already done this i don't think so honey in the past no right this is new this is a new frustration that i have because

i don't know what the 30 seconds on my lips I still get flaky ass flakes on my levers. That's French for lips. And I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any way out of this for me. And it's really stressing me out. Like it's the one thing that I can't figure out. My pores are still enormous, gaping pores on my face and my flaky ass lips.

And I don't really know if my face is fixable. I think... Five seconds. I'm going to go into hiding for four years and then four years later, you're going to see me completely transformed and you're going to start a conversation about me. That's what's going to happen. Okay, and that's one minute. Couple reactions.

I don't think you've done that before. I had a moment of deja vu. I had a moment of deja vu. You would have stopped me. If you have, I think everything you do is that before. I had a moment of deja vu. I had a moment of deja vu. You would have stopped me. If you have, I think everything you do is brand new. You as a talent. Oh my God. Oh my God.

That being said, I'm salty because I legit forgot we were doing a video one. And there you were being very visual with props even. I'm a prop comic. And here I am doing it. I don't think so, honey honey on a friend of ours which requires everyone to literally go to another app on Instagram it's good that you have

supplemental material I have all my primary stuff with me it's fine what I'm saying is this is what books you the TV gigs and leaves me out here shut up no you shut up that wasn't even a good I don't think so honey I thought it was a great I don't think so honey you got your point it was a great I don't think so, honey. You got your point across.

We got a sense of emotionally where you're at. I just, I can't. God, I don't know what to do about my lips. I just complain about domestic problems now. I'm talking about my plants. I'm talking about my lips. It's really, the subject matter is whittling down. Look, I mean, there's only so many things we can engage with in quarantine.

Yeah. And what was I going to do? I don't think so, honey. Video and audio set up. Well, you could have. That's specific to only us. But I'm sure there are people who can relate. Let's just say this.

I'm happy to have a ring light. I don't really see a use for it beyond this, to be honest. I mean, my job sent me a ring light and then a light panel and another stand. Yeah. You know? My job. sent me a ring light and then a light panel and another stand yeah you know but my job and an eight foot by eight foot collapsible green screen that is honestly the most physically taxing thing to do i'm losing my mind i'm like i'm i'm living in my place of work there's no separation between work and leisure but that's that's not a unique problem everyone's going through this

but i'm just saying we're all dealing in different ways aren't we aren't we but you know um this this this has been an episode of lost culture recess that was really just you and i negotiating so many different things yeah new ways of thinking about culture new new technology that is gonna cause us to you know we're grappling with a lot we're grappling with a lot but i think this is um ultimately a quantum leap up it's a leap it's not it's not a step down we're stepping up the ladder i mean i can only speak for myself and i have so enjoyed like this recording setup because i do love watching you like with this like sort of gesticulate like not only can I see you very well almost as if you're here with me but like you're it's just like

the light on your face is just shining you get while you're on television stop you look stunning is what I'm saying it's washing it my face is a flat disc this light is really washing me out you look stunning I have to say and you're freshly shaven which is perfect because you're on jury now.

So you're groomed essentially. Now that I'm on the jury at Survivor Underscore Quarantine, I do have to keep showing up in different looks, like looking stunning. You have to like, now you have to like put like a lip liner on or a lip gloss or like eyeliner, something. Just a little something to just rub it in their faces

that you have, you can primp, you know? You gotta show them you can primp. You gotta show them what they're missing you gotta show them what they're missing gotta show them what they're missing because they don't have access to the same things as you do outside of the game I loved our impressions of Parvati and Sandra I can't wait I can't

believe we're talking to Parvati next week Hi Matt and Bowen this is Sassy Sandra from Survivor I heard you guys were doing fun impressions of me on your podcast Las Culturistas and I really appreciate that I'm notor, I heard you guys were doing fun impressions of me on your podcast Las Culturistas and I really appreciate that I'm not going to listen to the podcast because I don't listen to podcasts

the only show I watch is Yes You Guessed It Survivor and on this season we got, it's really heating up, you know, Wednesdays at 8 on CBS you can be seeing a lot of my very good friends and also some people that I hate more than death compete to become the winner of $2 million. But no matter what, you know, Queen stays queen.

And that I am Sandra, the sassy girl from the Bronx who won Survivor two times. And then no one else can say that. I got to go because Survivor is coming on. Survivor is coming on. Also, catch me mentoring on island of the idols alongside boston rob who won only one time but i won twice remember that remember that one remember that i'm gonna have to remember that one oh can i just say really quickly um matt you put out a call to action on twitter to leave nice reviews on the on the on

the apple podcast i did and thank you everyone for doing that can i just say i did a demented thing and i read every single one um i did too they really made me emotional and they made me laugh i was laughing out loud i mean people are just writing such beautiful creative little little word um tapestries and i, a lot of people really using, because I mean, you know, Matt, anytime anyone says, going to have to blank that one, automatic capital for me.

Automatic laugh, automatic laugh. And I will say, thank you so much to everyone for doing that because we did have some crazy trolls who admittedly had never listened to the podcast, just giving us one star. And you know, the five star uh ratings they really do help us not not not only just emotionally and that we see them and we we think

we feel good about them but they help us be you know um a little more visible charted a little bit more visible so you know we we love all you guys for listening and i do want to just do a little bit of a check-in huh know that we are loving you in quarantine, baby. I don't know what the every day-to-day looks like for everyone, but we are giving you big hugs. And I just wanted to remind everyone that you can now follow the Instagram and the Twitter at LasCultureRistas, both.

And we are now fully in control of both of those handles. So we are going to be engaging with you guys a little bit more than we usually did on those platforms shout out to ronnie thank you for um bequeathing us the lost culture is just handle on instagram and we're so excited to uh look out for some more little little bits of content um on the channels i'm using all the right words aren't i it's so fun um i really do and yeah just and thank you for checking in with everybody matt i also i'm sending everybody big hugs yeah and i really just i am so grateful i was i really just kind of went down this fun little gratitude

not spiral because that has like a connotation to it but like i was just um uh so we're recording this on sunday uh season finale of snl was yesterday i was just very very grateful for um the people at that place um yeah the people outside of that place and i was just thinking about how lucky i am to have any kind of support system um even through people i don't even know and And hopefully this sounds so, so cloying, but hopefully we figure into that for you. We are always so, so, so, I don't know. We're always so, I would say you and I are like very empathic

and we're very loving. I know we're bragging about how like, I'm not bragging about how nice we are. I'm just saying like you and I constantly check in about like how grateful we are for the readers and how just people who listen are so, so kind, superlatively kind. It's unlikely that we would be doing the stuff that we're doing and as enjoying our lives as much if we hadn't started doing the podcast. And so thank you guys all so much for being an active part of it and for keeping us going for this long.

And we're never going to stop until one of us is dead. And I feel really sad thinking about that. I know. Oh my god. We can't do this. I just thought about us dying and it was so sad. I know. It's going to happen.

It will happen. Actually, it's rule of culture number 19. Death will happen and it's rule of culture number 19. Death will happen and it's gonna be so sad. So, on that note. On that note, we actually, what we do

is we end, I can't believe this is our last episode before Parv. Oh my god. This is gonna be a turning point in the season. In this season, in the show. In the series. So, we're gonna end this episode with a song and it's not it's a song that does not have words and that's my hint okay i don't know. It started to feel a little dicey.

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